--- Log for 27.12.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 8 hours ago 00.00.34 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 00.00.56 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.187.143) 00.02.19 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-213-1.dsl.scarlet.be) 00.06.39 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.51 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.47 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.07 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.26.26 Join webguest45 [0] (n=4e926d51@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-854da6ac7484db8f) 00.27.26 Quit webguest45 (Client Quit) 00.38.37 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 00.49.56 Quit lassesdatamaskin ("Leaving.") 01.01.39 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.04.08 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.36 # anyone have a favorite rwps for the x5? 01.04.47 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 01.05.04 # mine so far is iCatcher, but I hate the stupid volume circle picture that gives you 01.05.33 # If my PC were working, I'd be more likely to actually work on WPSs... And even compliling my own builds. 01.05.37 # not only do you not get a volume number, but when you pause it spins in an animation so you can't tell what your volume is at 01.06.14 # what's wrong with your box? 01.06.19 # JThundley: I have a Gigabeat, and thus no screen on my remote. 01.06.49 # JThundley: It needs a new power supply. It's been off (as in, unplugged and no power) since early August. 01.07.01 # I'm on someone else's computer right now. 01.07.11 # Also, this is off-topic, so I shall say no more. 01.07.37 # hah, so strict around here. I admire it though 01.07.58 # JThundley: That's what #rockbox-community is for. 01.13.48 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D") 01.15.25 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.23.35 # amiconn: I'm back. 01.28.40 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1776A.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.29.38 Join gromit` [0] (i=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 01.29.58 Quit Soap () 01.35.11 Part linuxstb 01.38.05 Quit moos ("Sleep!") 01.39.27 Join Soap [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.42.43 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.43.03 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.45.51 Join vmx_ [0] (n=vmx@dslb-084-056-011-001.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.45.58 Quit vmx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.53 # hey guys, i failed to mention that i am writing a small piece for Linux Journal on Rockbox 01.51.58 # :-) 01.51.59 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 01.52.09 # i am about to publish something, but wanted to get your input first 01.52.50 # would you like to review the article and give me some feedback? 01.53.08 # its about using Rockbox to free your iPod 01.58.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.00.16 # cool, I read that 02.00.30 # I don't use rockbox on an ipod, but I'd like to read your article 02.03.06 # JThundley, ok i will make it available very soon 02.03.53 # i will be onboard with LJ for all of 2008, and you should see my name in the magazine on page 6 if you have a recent issue (Security) 02.04.08 # --> Kristian Erik Hermansen 02.04.27 # loved Rockbox, so had to write an article 02.04.29 # already donated $20 earlier today as well 02.10.18 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.05 # khermans: If you want to get it reviewed by some key developers, you might try press@rockbox.org 02.14.58 # Llorean, ok then i will send it tonight before i actually publish it 02.15.16 # its a short but to the point article 02.18.05 # Thanks. :) 02.23.29 # jhMikeS: Just a note, tests with 320x240 video encoded at the 100 value that ffmpeg suggests still is nearly instant, so at least for the gigabeat, I think anything a user wants will probably work well enough. 02.28.18 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.39.09 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 02.41.23 # Llorean: Bagder gave me a PM and said some video he had that was an hour long was taking a long time to seek but I suspect the encoding since I have videos that long that seek instantly. 02.41.50 # file about 1GB and there's no perceivable delay. 02.42.58 # jhMikeS: This one's about 2 hours long, 320x240, 670MB 02.43.07 # No perceivable delay beyond the disk spin 02.43.11 # Llorean: These parameters that ffmpeg suggests are just whacky. I never enounter professional stuff that uses such long GOP. 02.43.46 # Llorean: My huge tester was a SVCD file straight up 02.51.49 # I suppose I'll put some limiting on video I-frame/GOP searches at some point just so sub-optimal videos aren't annoying 02.53.43 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 02.55.07 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.187.143) 02.55.08 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.01.22 Quit qwedsa (Remote closed the connection) 03.02.06 Join qwedsa [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 03.08.16 Quit qwedsa (Remote closed the connection) 03.08.44 Join qwedsa [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 03.09.31 # sorry if this is in the manual but how do you turn on an ipod video? 03.09.51 # I just got one from a friend and installed rockbox on it 03.09.54 # stroke it gently? :p 03.10.05 # but now I don't know how to turn it on :\ 03.10.46 # My sister has one and I just pushed buttons at random and something worked 03.10.58 Quit animeloe ("Leaving") 03.11.34 # nevermind I pressed menu-select for a long time but didn't restart 03.11.48 # eh, strange behaviour 03.11.59 # it just booted on it self 03.12.17 # it sees that menu does the trick 03.12.20 # weird thing 03.12.25 # Her's isn't rockboxed though so I haven't been through other drills with it. 03.15.38 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 03.17.40 Quit animeloe (Client Quit) 03.21.43 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.24.46 Quit XBlackChaosX ("Leaving") 03.25.11 # jhMikeS: I've arranged to borrow an iPod Video, so I'll compare that same video in the worst-case hardware later. 03.30.11 # Llorean: It works quickly on e200, H10 and 3g if GOPs are frequent enough. 03.31.01 # the draft article 03.31.03 # http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/tmp/install-rockbox-ipod-ljarticle.txt 03.31.24 # and script i threw together for one-click installation for common video ipods 03.31.24 # jhMikeS: Well, I'm trying to write new presets for WinFF, since ffmpeg's expected parameters have changed a bit, and there's a new version of WinFF and everything 03.31.25 # http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/tmp/install-rockbox-ipod.sh 03.32.15 # Llorean: after using WinFF I'm seriously considering just doing my own. It's rather quirky in a bad way imo. 03.32.21 # Yeah 03.32.39 # It's far from perfect, but it's a lot less complicated than all these other all-in-one solutions with four million options. 03.33.19 # Llorean, i found this method of installation to be painless, but rockbox manual installation can be done if the readers like 03.33.32 # hope you guys have input on the article 03.33.42 # tentative title is "OGG, FLAC, and more on your iPod!" 03.33.56 # khermans: We don't recommend people use other methods of installation, since those often break if our method changes. We're moving people to the RBUtility, as it's mostly usable now 03.34.00 # will appear on LinuxJournal.com in 48 hours 03.34.11 # Llorean, i figured as much 03.34.23 # in the article, i mention that this only works for 30, 60. and 80 gb Ipods 03.34.33 # and that it will simply work on those models 03.34.41 # if they have something else, move to manual installation on the site 03.34.46 # khermans: Does it distinguish between the 30gb build and the 60/80 gb build? 03.34.53 # but a full article on manual installation seemed a bit much 03.34.55 # Llorean, no 03.35.12 # Llorean, but i read in the shell variable 03.35.39 # whatever they type -- if it is 60/80 it is same function 03.35.39 # jhMikeS: If you do decide to do your own whatever, if it's usable it might be a good addition for RBUtil. 03.36.05 # Llorean, do you have a simple automated installer, because although I may be able to futz around and install Rockbox, i think a lot of the LJ reader-base are quite naive 03.36.23 # One significant annoyance I have with ffmpeg is that it doesn't have a a "maintain proportions" option of some sort. I really feel I should be able to set a maximum width and height, and let it scale the video to fit within them. Other than that, I'd be quite happy with RBUtil just offering a basic front end for it, with hard coded presets, and you just pick your player 03.36.37 # But as it stands, for ffmpeg, you'd still have to pick the aspect ratio of your input file, or end up with weird looking output. 03.36.51 # khermans: RBUtility is the automated installer 03.36.58 # khermans: ipodpatcher is the more complicated method 03.37.07 # Llorean, cant you just use -sameq ? 03.37.09 # RBUtility can, with many players, automatically detect the player and model. 03.37.21 # Llorean, what are pros and cons? 03.37.28 # khermans: -sameq affects the bitrate. Basically it just makes it use the lowest possible quantization value, and hope for the best. 03.37.47 Join Clem2 [0] (n=nclemens@c-68-46-118-229.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.38.04 # khermans: "Pros" are "Requires little or no technical knowledge." Cons are "If it can't automatically detect where your player is, you may actually find the manual install slightly easier" 03.38.06 # Llorean, well i also noticed that no addons are automatically installed 03.38.11 # "Addons"? 03.38.20 # Llorean, themes, games, etc 03.38.26 # Games are automatically installed 03.38.31 # All the official plugins are there 03.38.31 Quit ze ("xmas hardware installation") 03.38.41 # Llorean, oh let me check which plugins i pulled in 03.38.45 # RBUtility gives you the option to download themes, the font package, etc. 03.39.07 # Llorean, fonts 03.39.19 # ahh interesting... 03.39.38 # The manual installation process requires you to download fonts separately. They change so rarely, and are such a large percentage of the archive size that we don't feel every download needs to include them 03.40.31 # Llorean, you include Doom in the automated instakller as an option? 03.40.35 # i am about to test this one 03.40.46 # I don't know of the freedoom package is listed as an option, honestly 03.41.57 # "Warning: Autodetection is unable to distinguish between the Ipod 30 GB and 60 GB / 80 GB models and defaults to the 30 GB model. This will usually work but you might want to check the detected value, especially if you experience problems with Rockbox." 03.42.11 # would have b0rked my 30gb i think 03.42.19 # i mean, i have an 80gb 03.44.18 # so is this link outdated? --> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux 03.45.04 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp036.hk.centurytel.net) 03.45.14 # khermans: No instructions should be followed except those in the manual 03.45.29 # khermans: And there's no harm in installing a 30gb build to an 80gb iPod. It's the other way around that's problematic 03.49.49 # salut 03.51.27 # hrmm "unsuported install Method" in rbutil 03.51.34 # * khermans checks faq 03.52.36 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-48-157.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 03.53.30 # rbutil seems to hang on my IPOD 03.56.26 # Llorean, is the svn version worth checking out and building of rbutil? 03.58.06 # Probably 03.58.10 # I think it might have a few fixes. 03.58.15 # Specifically with the autodetection. 03.58.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.58.42 Join [1]psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp-64-91-85-194.cam.centurytel.net) 03.58.43 Quit [1]psycho_maniac (Remote closed the connection) 03.59.14 # Llorean, hehe 50MB of qt dev files to go :-0 04.01.19 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `rbspeex', needed by `rbutilqt'. Stop. 04.02.00 # How much of the Rockbox source tree did you check out? 04.02.16 Join ddalton [0] (n=ddalton@203-217-69-232.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.02.20 # svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/rbutil rbutil 04.02.39 # I don't think that'll be enough, since you won't get the tools folder, I imagine. 04.02.43 # qmake && make 04.02.43 # * Llorean isn't sure. 04.02.44 # completed 04.03.08 # Llorean, following this 04.03.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 04.03.17 # I personally haven't played with the utility yet. I know it's the recommended method, but I can't get over the old habit of doing everything manually 04.03.46 # I would imagine that page hasn't been updated by someone who knows how the dependency on the speex encoder for talk file generation works. 04.04.22 # Or perhaps rbspeexenc needs to be added to the checkout. I don't really know how SVN itself works, if it's folder based, or tag based somehow, or what 04.04.23 # Llorean, i can just edit the Makefile of course 04.04.47 # khermans: Well the issue is having the right files, more than telling it where they are. :) 04.05.42 # ill just checkout full TRUNK 04.06.10 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.06.16 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-48-157.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 04.08.06 # Llorean, k worked -- had to do full TRUNK co 04.09.11 # some hefty code! 04.13.17 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 04.13.22 Quit barrywardell_ () 04.15.06 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.15.14 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 04.15.59 Quit Clem2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.16.11 Quit Soap () 04.16.49 Join saratoga [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1a32e624b3db86a5) 04.17.13 # has anyone else noticed that hitting back on the Sansa doesn't actually let you skip to the previous track? 04.17.25 # or is that only on my sansa 04.20.08 # Llorean, SVN version works much better! 04.20.27 # got it built and installed here on Ubuntu Gutsy 04.20.41 # running great and finishing up Rockbox tranfer 04.20.51 # khermans: When it works, it works quite well. :) 04.20.53 # themes mysteriously failed though 04.21.03 # The theme site is actually undergoing change 04.21.09 # Llorean, ahh... 04.21.53 # The site's been seeing way too much bandwidth usage. 04.22.18 Join ddalton_ [0] (n=ddalton@210-84-51-126.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.22.49 Quit psycho_maniac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.23.18 # oh no, my ipod bricked :-( 04.24.16 # just messing with ya... :pP 04.24.31 # wow blackhawk actually submitted a patch for his project 04.27.18 Join ddalton__ [0] (n=ddalton@124-168-107-22.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.29.49 Quit karim (Remote closed the connection) 04.29.57 Quit ddalton (Nick collision from services.) 04.30.08 Nick ddalton__ is now known as ddalton (n=ddalton@124-168-107-22.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.34.15 # khermans: Considering that it's for all practical purposes impossible to brick an iPod without either an official Apple update or tools not provided by the Rockbox project, I wasn't gonna believe you anyway. :-P 04.34.29 # saratoga: Is it in a usable state at all or does it still contain like 40 other patches? 04.34.49 # heh 04.35.02 Join dapatil [0] (n=dapatil@user-12lc634.cable.mindspring.com) 04.35.19 # Llorean: he appears to have removed the other patches 04.35.24 # Good to hear. :) 04.35.27 Join webguest20 [0] (n=43a64378@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90b47d0b2c5b335) 04.35.27 # though his diff contains his build directory too I think 04.35.38 # but thats harmless enough aside from making the file size huge 04.35.41 # Hehehe 04.35.42 # Yeah 04.37.01 Quit Mouser_X ("Java user signed off") 04.39.45 Quit ddalton_ (Network is unreachable) 04.41.06 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 04.43.28 # hey can someone check the document I am about to read to make sure it is on arm which will help me with the e200 v2 port? 04.46.09 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 04.49.41 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.50.33 # saratoga: Hmm. I'm not seeing that behavior on my Sansa. 04.50.59 # * pikhq just set up Rockbox yesterday, though; maybe you have an older build? 04.51.01 # pikhq: when I'm playing a file, I hit back and it skips to the start 04.51.18 # Hmm. 04.51.21 # no matter how fast i jam it down again, it doesn't play the previous track, just keeps reseting the current one 04.51.29 # doesn't happen for you? 04.51.36 # saratoga: What format? 04.51.37 # Oh. . . 04.51.39 # Hmm. 04.51.43 # mp3 04.51.56 # Mine goes to the start, and if I hit back again, it goes back a song. 04.52.05 # Also on MP3. 04.52.55 # ("The Else", by They Might Be Giants, downloaded from eMusic, if it matters) 04.53.46 # just updated and it seems to work normally 04.53.53 # must have been a quirk with that one build 04.53.58 # Odd. 04.54.01 # thanks for the heads up 04.54.05 # It's frustrating when that happens 04.54.26 # You never know if it's a bug that'll come back and needs fixing, or something more or less random and bad luck 04.56.34 # Llorean, hainv gTuring problems I see? 04.57.07 # provability of software is impossible :-) 05.00.29 Join ddalton [0] (n=ddalton@124-168-107-22.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.01.27 Quit dapatil () 05.02.54 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp-64-91-85-194.cam.centurytel.net) 05.05.36 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 05.06.03 # has anyone here got a sansa e200? 05.06.12 # * pikhq raises his hand 05.06.23 # what model? v1 or 2? 05.06.26 # v1 05.06.44 # I gather that you're wanting someone to help you test a v2 port? 05.06.53 # oh ok. sorry I should have said v2. I am trying to work out the recovery mode. has anyone done this yet? 05.09.04 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.09.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5B04.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.09.58 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-4-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) 05.10.10 # ok does anyone know where the unbrick wiki sansa e200 rockbox page is? 05.11.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 05.11.28 # took 10 seconds to find 05.11.36 # yeah ok. 05.14.01 # there may not be a recovery mode on the V2 sansas, lots of players just have an emergency USB mode (Ipod) and that seems to work better 05.15.50 # saratoga: a guy in the forums reckons switching hold on then holding menu down while plugging in the usb cable gets you into disk mode. or actually recovery mode... 05.18.02 # saratoga: wait I'll look for a link. 05.19.41 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@ppp-70-247-253-19.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net) 05.20.31 # anyone seen this? Is it true? or is it someone in the forums not knowning what they are talking about? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13961.msg109030 05.20.48 # knowing 05.21.30 # well he can't press the right keys on his keyboard. I needed to use braille to read his message. Couldn't understand it with speech. 05.23.53 # saratoga: Did you see the message I posted? 05.24.01 # bagder: around? 05.26.30 # my findings make sense to me, however, I would like to confirm them somewhere. 05.27.20 # ddalton: do you have a v2? 05.27.38 # yes but I am blind and can't read the screen at the minute. 05.27.50 # of course, i forgot that would be a problem 05.27.51 # I need to get scanners and stuff set up for the port and haven't yet done so. 05.28.58 # saratoga: If I get the v2 into disk mode is there a chance of bricking by just putting it into disc mode? 05.29.08 # if not how do I get back out of disk mode? 05.30.00 # i think if you put it into recovery mode you can just reboot it 05.30.24 # oh so it won't break? and to reboot is that just a long press of menu? 05.32.32 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 05.33.15 Quit iamben_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.34.27 Quit ze ("bah") 05.37.59 Join ddalton_ [0] (n=ddalton@124-168-72-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.39.01 Quit ddalton (Nick collision from services.) 05.39.06 Nick ddalton_ is now known as ddalton (n=ddalton@124-168-72-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.40.02 # does that mean my ip was reset? 05.43.57 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 05.48.20 # even after encoding to m4a using faac and the -w option to make an MPEG4 container -- still not playing on Rockbox 05.49.11 # What AAC profile are they encoded as? 05.49.46 # Llorean, profile? 05.49.57 # i just did --> faac -b 32 -w foo.wav foo.m4a 05.49.57 # AAC has several profiles. 05.50.02 # HE, LTP, LE, etc. 05.50.05 # er LC, not LE 05.50.26 # 01.m4a: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 05.50.30 # file reports that 05.50.35 # That doesn't tell what profile. 05.50.41 # how can i tell then? 05.50.51 # I don't know 05.50.53 # mplayer -identify ? 05.51.12 # Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) 05.51.25 # AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 31.9 kbit/2.26% (ratio: 3985->176400) 05.51.34 # looks like LE ? 05.51.37 # s16le 05.51.40 # No, it doesn't 05.51.41 # Im just curious. Do the files work on your computer? 05.51.45 # That's just the output stream type 05.51.47 # Selected audio codec: [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio) decoder) 05.52.02 # That still doesn't tell the profile 05.52.05 # ISO: File Type Major Brand: ISO/IEC 14496-1 (MPEG-4 system) v2 05.52.23 # Look, pasting everything in here won't help 05.52.28 # Just google up some method of identifying 05.52.44 # i didnt know if you knew the info for that 05.52.50 # I know some people were getting LTP AACs out of Faac, or claiming to, and at a ridiculously low bitrate like that it might default to it 05.53.17 # I already said I don't know how to identify it. Unless something says clearly "Profile:" or "XX-AAC" I'm unlikely to know 05.54.19 # Why not try using a realistic bitrate. 96kbps or so? 05.54.36 # Llorean, well its audiobook 05.54.40 # Then use speex 05.54.48 # Llorean, i did -- bugs remember :-) 05.54.54 # @ 16000 khz 05.55.09 # Are you sure it's a bug, and not simply an artifact of the low bitrate? 05.55.19 # Do you honestly expect something not tuned for speech to actually have better sounding audio at that bitrate? 05.55.20 # however, the quality sounded pretty good for OGG/Vorbis 32kbps mono 05.55.47 # Llorean, i would think that by tuning the freq specifier that wouldn't matter 05.55.59 # i can cut off signals above 8khz 05.56.00 # The frequency specifier? 05.56.03 # yes 05.56.13 # You mean a highpass filter? 05.56.16 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.56.21 # Llorean, right 05.56.24 # Or lowpass filter rather 05.56.41 # i can remove the highs that are out of voice range 05.56.45 # thats a big savings 05.57.04 # Yeah, but that doesn't make the codec any better at encoding speech. 05.57.24 # Llorean, i would have to agree 05.57.46 # You should experiment further with speech, I can get perfectly acceptable output out of it in Rockbox. 05.57.59 # Llorean, what setting are you using ? 05.58.01 # Err, speex 05.58.07 # Don't remember, I encoded them nearly a year ago 05.58.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.58.26 # 32khz stereo? 05.58.34 # i tried 16khz mon but didnt fly 05.58.40 # some bugs 05.58.44 # No, it was 16khz mono 05.58.57 # you did the same and saw no problems? 05.59.03 # and you used sppexenc ? 05.59.24 # 8bit or 16bit frames? 05.59.25 # Yeah 05.59.30 # from WAV 05.59.34 # 16 bit 05.59.39 # hrmm, i used 8bit 05.59.46 # -b option from sox 05.59.47 # Why? 06.00.05 # they sounded fine in the output WAV 06.00.08 # If you're willing to go up to 32kbps in AAC, do a 32kbps Speex 06.00.22 # thats essentially what i did 06.00.38 # but perhaps some other option i chose was casuing issues 06.00.48 # i know i did --vad 06.00.53 # and --vbr 06.01.09 # which could be partly the cause i suppose 06.01.26 # The only parameters I used were the one for wideband, and the one for quality, if I recall 06.01.35 # The input was already a 16-bit mono wav. 06.02.04 # Llorean, you chose quality over a VBR specifier? 06.02.09 # hrmm ill try that instead 06.02.28 # i was under the impression that VBR was superior, unless you were streaming 06.02.43 # because then some high data blocks would snag CPU 06.02.51 # and cause latency 06.03.04 # khermans: The codec is intended for you to pick a quality. 06.03.05 # it was noted in the docs too 06.03.17 # Just like vorbis. 06.03.28 # default is 8 06.03.33 # i set -b 32 06.03.37 # I think I used 6, but I really cant remember. 06.03.40 # Don't set a bitrate. 06.03.43 # never? 06.03.46 # Never. 06.03.51 # Llorean, oh really? 06.03.55 # You're forcing it into a box you don't need to. 06.04.00 # Llorean, does the encoder autodetect? 06.04.05 # how can it know!?? 06.04.08 # That's what quality is. 06.04.17 # lol 06.04.27 # It'll pick bitrates as it goes appropriate for encoding those samples at that relative quality 06.04.29 # i guess i never looked at it that way 06.04.36 # If your file ends up too big, try a lower quality setting. 06.04.44 # very interesting 06.04.49 # this could be the cause of all my issues 06.04.57 # and this would go for any codec? 06.05.17 # Not necessarily 06.05.21 # i mean, back in the lame days, literally, i dont remember quality settings 06.05.26 # But vorbis/speex especially 06.05.32 # i remember setting either my CBR or VBR 06.05.34 # lame has always had things like preset-standard 06.05.55 # Llorean, very good to know though 06.06.20 # Setting a bitrate is only really useful if you have a target final file size. 06.06.28 # Llorean, so i assume that this quality setting encodes and compares the output wav form to the input wave form to see how decrepit it is 06.06.48 # so, for .8 would signify 80% retention of original wve form? 06.06.54 # It'll pretty much always get inferior results overall because the encoder will be allocating bits based on an attempt to hit a target filesize, rather than attempting to hit a target quality for each frame. 06.06.56 # is this correct? 06.06.58 # No 06.07.05 # The numbers don't really represent anything absolute 06.07.12 # It's just like the 1 to 10 on a volume knob. 06.07.21 # They just mean "worse" or "better" 06.07.26 # Llorean, usually it is linear :-) 06.07.39 # Llorean, well i am no dummy,. just to this 06.07.42 # Linear, but they don't represent the original loudness in any way, just the range of your system. 06.07.53 # 10 on your speakers may be considerably louder than the song was played. 06.09.00 # Speex is unlikely to ever reproduce 100% accurately the original wavform, it's the nature of lossy compression: it discards things. 06.09.07 # i have written visual detection algorithms and variations on gaussian filtering and canny/sobel edge detection 06.09.38 # of course, i understand the lossy issue 06.09.45 # if I wanted something losless, i would use flac 06.10.05 # Indeed 06.10.40 # But really, the speex files I still have sound fine, except a couple where I had to do a lossy->lossy transcode, and there's already some artifacts 06.11.46 # Llorean, well actually this particular sample is from lossy (mp3) original 06.12.09 # i guess that gives the encoder a significant disadvantage 06.12.43 # hey do I have any chance at getting the docs from ams for the AS3525? 06.12.48 # khermans: A very significant one. 06.13.26 Quit iamben (Connection reset by peer) 06.13.34 # ddalton: I thought that the docs for that were already available. That's the SoC in the v2 sansas, right? 06.14.44 # yeah. but is bagder allowed to let me view them? 06.15.14 # what is "SoC"? 06.15.19 # System on a Chip 06.15.21 Quit ender` (" I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by. -- Douglas Adams") 06.16.06 # yeah. ok thanks. so is bagder allowed to show me them? 06.16.53 # I don't know. 06.19.02 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@adsl-75-13-226-237.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) 06.19.45 # ok well if he can't give me a copy I found a form to get the docs. 06.19.48 # or data sheet. 06.20.00 # is that what we want "data sheet"? 06.20.40 # and it asks for the company. is that just rockbox in our case? 06.21.07 # Rockbox isn't a company 06.21.10 # ah yep he got the data sheat... 06.21.17 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.21.18 Join _jhMikeS_ [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 06.21.59 # anyone here own a sansa v2 e200? 06.32.19 # Llorean: I know. so what do we say in that field? 06.32.34 # I don't know 06.32.52 # But I wouldn't put "Rockbox" unless you're willing to accept any responsibility if they come back with questions about how we intend to use it, etc. 06.33.01 # * ddalton Checks if its required. 06.33.08 # Basically, unless you plan to try to act as a representative for the whole project. 06.36.04 Quit ol_schoola () 06.36.37 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 06.42.28 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 06.43.16 # ok I'll ask some other devs. I want to do this port but want to get as many docs as I can... 06.45.45 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.49.14 # ddalton: until you've got a way to update the firmware on teh V2s, having the datasheet probably won't help a whole lot 06.49.40 # its just going to tell you how to initialize things, how dma works, interupts, etc, and thats not going to be much use until you can actually upload code 06.50.10 # Llorean: whenever someone complains about faac in rockbox we should just tell them to stop using faac 06.50.30 # its literally worse then every other lossy codec we support in rockbox 06.50.54 # theres no reason to ever use it 06.52.22 # saratoga: Is there any other linux-native AAC encoder? 06.52.36 # i don't know 06.52.40 # Heh 06.52.46 # probably not 06.52.50 # Our decoder is problematic enough anyway 06.52.57 # theres hardly any aac encoders actually, let alone good ones 06.53.05 # The codec's *huge*, has problems with long file, and every now and then we find more broken metadata parsing 06.53.30 # really the answer to problems with faac encoded files is "use vorbis" 06.53.36 # Hahaha 06.53.43 # I'll second that. 06.53.56 # * pikhq is of the opinion that only Vorbis and Flac should be used anyways, so. . . 06.54.21 # I encoded AC3->Faac earlier for a video, and it didn't sound noticeably bad, but I have tin ears anyway. 06.55.16 # i sat down and read the ac3 format spec a while back 06.55.22 # theres a format i can really hate 06.55.38 # its like they sat down and asked "how can i make something so much worse then mp3" 06.55.48 # Hahaha 06.56.30 # Well, both the DVD format, and now I'm thinking High Definition video disk formats as well, are crazy I think. 06.56.33 Quit psycho_maniac (" enter funny comment here.") 06.56.38 Join animeloe [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 06.57.21 # I fear I'll never understand why you'd include both uncompressed and lossy compressed soundtracks on the same disk if the standard *requires* that the player be able to handle the uncompressed one. 06.57.50 # isn't the uncompressed only 2 channel most of the time? 06.58.02 # No 06.58.10 # PCM 5.1 on the disks I own that have it 06.58.24 # that is really odd 06.58.24 # I think there's also a lossless format they have to support. Dolby TrueHD, iirc, is losslessly compressed. 06.58.39 # this is HD-DVD/Bluray? 06.58.42 # Yep 06.58.48 # oh ok 06.59.00 # Just silly formats. 06.59.09 # I think I know why: encourage people to spend more money because large movies get shoved into 2 discs. 06.59.31 # how did we do the h300 port with out a recovery mode? 06.59.32 # Rather than, say, 1 disc for several movies. 06.59.47 # (seriously: 6 channel lossy, lossless, *and* uncompressed?!?) 06.59.57 # that or maybe to justify those expensive new smaller wavelength lasers 07.00.21 # ddalton: Special hardware to recover bricked players 07.00.30 # I'd say having a high-quality HD signal could be used to justify that if they didn't *waste* it. 07.00.39 # The Lossless isn't mandatory, apparently 07.00.54 # Honestly? One lossless stream, one very high-quality video stream. 07.00.58 # For Bluray, 100% optional. For HDDVD, the player MUST be able to decode the lossless, but it's only required to decode the primary 2 channels, not all of it 07.01.01 # non mandatory formats make no sense 07.01.07 # Agreed 07.01.33 # Llorean: ah. So if I find a disk mode and run the worse bit of code I could think off it bricks it completely then can I restore it and get it working again since it has a recovery mode? 07.01.53 # ddalton: Not necessarily 07.02.00 # assuming you don't corrupt the NAND flash you'll generally be ok 07.02.01 # why? 07.02.02 # ddalton: Depending on the player, you could accidentally remove the disk mode 07.02.27 # you can certainly brick a sansa if you screw up the flash memory though, since music and the bootloader are all on the chip 07.02.29 # oh. but isn't the disk mode and the fw different? separate? 07.02.40 # Not always 07.02.57 # saratoga: There's always that preboot mode, right? 07.03.01 # On the e200 regular? 07.05.03 # i assume thats in the same chip too, unless theres some ROM in the pp5024 itself 07.05.29 # Well, it's called "preboot" so it might be. 07.05.42 # If I recall correctly it identifies itself with a completely different device ID 07.06.27 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.08.39 Part toffe82 07.16.02 # stupid question about c: if I declare an array in a header file, and then include that header into two seperate c files, does it create two seperate copies of that array or is the compiler smart enough to know there should be one copy shared between the two files 07.18.13 # In the header the array should be marked with extern, so that files you include it from know what type it is. The actual definition of the array should actually be in a .c file somewhere. 07.18.45 # One instance is the definition, the other is the declaration, I can never remember which is which. 07.19.43 # thats what i was thinking, but if i declare the array as an extern in the c file, the codec segfaults trying to access it 07.20.42 # could you maybe pastebin the relevant snippits? 07.20.43 # though surprisingly the linker gives no errors 07.23.25 # here you go: 07.23.25 # http://pastebin.ca/833432 07.25.20 # other way around, the extern float pow_10_to_yover16[] should go in the .h, and the const float pow_10_to_yover16[] in either wma.c or wmadec.c 07.26.18 # I think you just have a local float * in decode_exp_vlc 07.27.06 # extern goes where you're using the variable, not where you actually allocate space for it i think 07.27.14 # do you need to go into recovery mode to update the of on the e200? 07.27.26 # ddalton: No 07.27.27 # ddalton: you don't have to but its one way to do it 07.28.05 # oh. so why is it so hard to find how to put the v2 into recovery mode? surely this isn't secret info like data sheats... 07.28.40 # I believe its hold on plug in your sansa while holding menu on the v2 and rec on the v1. but this is from a guy in the forums and I am not sure how true that is... 07.29.12 # he was talking about holding menu for the v2 he didn't mention the v1. I found the v1 stuff on wiki. 07.29.53 # saratoga: The compiler is confused, otherwise it would be complaining that your extern float * declaration isn't const 07.29.58 # saratoga: do you have a v2? 07.30.40 # ddalton: no v1 07.30.51 # oh 07.31.00 # do any devs have a v2? 07.31.07 # hcs: so you're saying I should put an extern in front of the actual table in the h file ? 07.31.19 # the table shouldn't be in the .h file 07.31.28 # well thats ffmpeg's call not mine 07.31.35 # so i can't do much about it 07.31.59 # are the v2 sansas still been manufactured? 07.32.09 # saratoga: does wmadec.c include wmadata.h? 07.33.38 # hcs: no, i tried that to make sure and it does generate an error 07.33.50 # i'm wondering if not using a const is enough to screw up the compiler 07.35.19 # ddalton: I honestly don't know, except to say that I got my v1 just yesterday for Christmas. 07.36.31 # ddalton: As far as we know, the v2 are still being manufactured and sold. Since they're fairly new I can't imagine they've already stopped 07.36.36 # saratoga: How does the ffmpeg source reference this? 07.37.09 # saratoga: I'd suggest renaming wmadata.h to wmadata.c and making a wmadata.h with the appropriate externs. 07.37.27 Join webguest42 [0] (n=4a80d408@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e6e3fef0918b4c4b) 07.38.15 # need help with c250 installation 07.38.34 # Llorean: It would also seem odd for a recently obtained e200 to be v1 with the v2 still out. 07.39.13 # I can install everything but the sansa patch will not recognize my player. How can I get Rockbox up and running? 07.39.29 # pikhq: getting rid of surplus... 07.39.35 # pikhq: It seems that many stores are working through v1 stocks still, possibly because Sandisk isn't marketing them as separate products 07.39.52 # Fair enough. 07.42.59 # saratoga: if you include that wmadata.h in its current form in both wma.c and wmadec.c you'll get errors when they're linked 07.43.46 # This v2 that you are talking about, does that mean that we can't use Rockbox at all or is there some work around if you can install part of the components? 07.44.12 # rockbox does not work on the v2 07.46.34 # webguest42: I am trying to work on a port. But I can't find a page on its recovery mode anywhere. do you have a e200 v2? 07.47.11 # scorche: I know thats why I want to work on the port. 07.47.14 # I have a c250 the 2 gig model. 07.47.25 # v2? 07.48.33 # What do you recommend that I do? Should I keep and wait for a possible work or return it? 07.48.54 # scorche: is it v2? 07.49.02 # oops wrong person. 07.49.22 # webguest42: that last message was for you. Is it v2? 07.49.26 Join hacker [0] (n=4a413ea7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b1c9640011776e68) 07.49.37 # Hello 07.50.18 # hello 07.50.28 Quit hacker (Client Quit) 07.50.29 Join CIA [0] (n=4a413ea7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-08cf67e1d60e1172) 07.50.30 # Yes, it is c250 2 gig v2. 07.50.33 # and if it is does the e200 and c200 both use the same technique for getting into disk mode? 07.50.41 # CIA/hacker: hello 07.50.46 # e200 and c200 v1... 07.50.58 Quit CIA (Client Quit) 07.51.02 Join Yurivilca [0] (i=Yurivilc@h147.138.134.98.ip.windstream.net) 07.51.03 Join CIA [0] (n=4a413ea7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5acbd4aa2b594228) 07.51.10 # hey guys 07.51.37 # Whos admin here 07.51.47 # hcs: adding the const was enough to fix it 07.51.50 # http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t 07.51.52 # Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! 07.52.08 # no 07.52.13 # also, get out 07.52.30 # I have a vuln to report to the admin 07.52.34 # Yurivilca: that is offtopic for this channel...as a side note, many if not most people in here are not even from the US... 07.52.47 # scripting hole in the reader.pl 07.52.49 # The way that I got into disk mode (found this in sandisk forums) was to have the player on, move the hold button to on, press and hold the rewind button while plugging in the usb connecter. 07.52.54 Part Yurivilca ("Leaving") 07.52.58 # saratoga: odd, though I guess I can see why. still, I really don't like that arrangement 07.53.18 # my computer then recognizes but tells me it is a sansa c240. 07.53.25 # ah. could you check if that is the case for e200? That may help me with my port... 07.53.54 # 07.54.00 # Yo 07.54.21 # ______________________________________________________________________________________________ 07.54.24 # Attention 07.55.01 # CIA: we heard you...no need to be like that... 07.55.22 #
hello
07.55.26 # is the admin here 07.55.28 # i need email 07.55.30 # i guess you could file an entry in the bug tracker 07.55.36 # ddalton: are you asking me to check the e200? I only have the c250. 07.56.03 # CIA: you can just say whatever it is here, and we can tell them to have a look at the logs when he comes around 07.56.24 # well, how serious is this "vuln"? 07.56.49 # 07.57.06 Join webguest89 [0] (n=5272a020@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-85cb23a6c90e39c2) 07.58.05 # saratoga: the const doesn't fix the issue, you may just be getting lucky 07.58.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.59.34 # what should the drive be called in windows when I connect my sansa in disk mode/ (recovery mode) 07.59.44 # well let them know this 08.00.35 # her eis aexample 08.00.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ewindow.location=%22http://www.cia.gov%22%3C/script%3E 08.02.18 # mine is called sansa c240 and it used the "O" drive which is the next letter open for me. 08.02.18 # date= evil code 08.02.19 # ah...just a redirect... 08.02.19 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.02.22 # saratoga: I have a small test running here that causes the segfault, but it goes away when I use extern const float bob[] instead of extern const float * bob in code doing the referencing. 08.02.37 # oh...you meant for... 08.03.08 # saratoga: indicating that it is a very fine balance of how gcc is handling it 08.03.09 # no point is u can inject anything 08.03.23 # yes...i got that...it is late >_> 08.04.23 # * pikhq wonders how in the world the difference between float bob[] and float *bob is at all relevant. Surely they'd be compiled as the same thing?!? 08.04.34 # her eis a better one 08.04.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=%22%3E%3Cscript%20src=http://members.lycos.co.uk/ag3nt2007/xss/XSS2.js%3E%3C/script%3E 08.04.46 # Quite a subtle thing, apparently. 08.05.09 # what's so subtle about a script in the url? 08.05.33 # coder error .. u can do alot woth it 08.05.42 # get burp proxy and so on 08.05.46 # pikhq: I completely misunderstood your comment. 08.05.49 # The float bob[] != float *bob bit. 08.05.51 # Ah. 08.05.53 # If I return the c250 v2, what should I get instead? 08.06.08 Join ddalton_ [0] (n=ddalton@124-168-58-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.06.24 # anyways i got to go 08.06.25 # bye 08.06.33 # Hope admin cheks logs 08.07.18 # ddalton: Did I lose you? 08.07.44 # ok so by default does your sansa come up with as a drive letter when you connect it normally? 08.07.59 # AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 08.08.02 Quit ddalton (Nick collision from services.) 08.08.06 Nick ddalton_ is now known as ddalton (n=ddalton@124-168-58-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.08.08 # CIA: ... 08.08.24 # 08.08.36 # just something to grab ther attention 08.08.43 # not needed 08.08.48 # : ) 08.09.01 Part CIA 08.09.01 # not to mention very annoying and against the guidelines of this channel.. 08.09.52 # When I connect normally, it comes up in My Computer as an Audio Device but has no drive letter connected to it? 08.10.08 # who had the v2 c200 before? 08.10.44 # pikhq: I don't think there should be any difference. Maybe an alignment thing. Yep, with bob[] the address is aligned. 08.10.48 # webguest42: ah. I think I am making progress. so can you do something for me? 08.10.53 # 0x12 vs. 0x13 08.11.04 # I'll try? 08.11.22 # hcs: Quite odd. Not used to having address *alignment* matter. 08.11.28 # oops, sorry about that. I'll try (no question). 08.11.35 # Granted, I'm coddled by my x86_64 environment. 08.11.47 # webguest42: Thx. BTW can you prefix your messages to me with a "dalton" or "ddalton:" it just makes it slightly easier to follow with a screenreader. ok; Do this. 08.11.51 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 08.11.53 # One connect the player normally. 08.12.05 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.12.18 # ddalton: FYI, I'm not a developer but fairly techy so I'll try whatever. 08.12.42 # pikhq: I'm testing this on x86, where I don't think alignment is needed for floats? 08.12.55 # webguest42: ok so is it connected normally? Just so it says sansa whatever in my computer? 08.13.23 # yes. 08.13.38 # pikhq: Even if it is, I'd expect the fault to be handled by the OS. I think it's a matter of one version putting the address exactly where the linker expects it. 08.13.41 # webguest42: ok now open up my computer/sansa whatever. 08.13.48 # ddalton: yes 08.13.48 # and tell me what directories you see. 08.14.30 # ddalton: Data folder and Media folder 08.15.57 # pikhq: yeah, the pointer is completely invalid 08.16.10 # o.o 08.16.22 # webguest42: one moment. 08.16.54 # * pikhq goes off to pray to the K&R Gods, and demand to know why they must be cruel to us mere mortals 08.17.36 # pikhq, NULL ptr derefs got you down? 08.17.45 # heh 08.18.04 # webguest42: Did you connect with the hold switch on or off? 08.18.09 # Such *obscure* bits of the C language tend to irritate me. 08.18.54 # (I mean seriously. . . type float[] != type float*? My brain hurts.) 08.19.28 # ddalton: hold switch was off 08.19.41 Join ptw419 [0] (n=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 08.20.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.41 # ok now please double click your media folder... 08.20.45 # webguest42 08.21.18 # pikhq: i've noticed that [] * often have different meanings to the compiler 08.21.23 # sorry about the delay. blindness doesn't help telling if hold is on or off. :-) 08.21.36 # probably because [] tells it that theres a 1D array, while * doesn't specify 08.21.48 # saratoga, pikhq: demo http://pastebin.ca/833455 08.21.49 # saratoga: It's making a Brainfuck programmer's brain hurt. That is a bad sign. 08.21.58 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16215.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.22.32 # I can't figure out what's up... 08.23.10 # ok looks like im in the normal sansa... now webguest42, can you tell me what folders/files you see in the root of the sansa when you connect in disk mode? 08.23.28 # ddalton: Music folder, Photo folder, Playlists folder, Record folder 08.23.44 # yep ok. so is that in the standard mode? 08.23.55 # Bad example code. 08.24.04 # You're printing two pointers there. 08.24.14 # ddalton: yes that is standard mode, give me a sec to reconnect in disk mode 08.24.14 # otherwise it'll segfault on one 08.26.05 # I seriously don't get how the array is segfaulting for me. 08.26.30 # pikhq: 'cause there's an invalid pointer in the pointer version 08.26.34 # Erm. 08.26.58 # I'm *remarkably* confused. 08.27.19 # But they are treated differently. Go figure. 08.27.24 # ddalton: now I have -- audible folder, music folder, photo folder, record folder, .rockbox folder and the following files -- DID.bin, MTABLE.SYS, RES_INFO.SYS, SYS_CONF.SYS and version.sdk 08.27.24 # webguest42: Sorry I would usually do this in linux but its harder to tell what is going on... I guess it isn't. But I am forced to shutdown my win box every time I want to disconnect my sansa since my screenreader can't find the safely remove hardware thing. or most times... 08.27.50 # Perhaps your extern declarations should match the type of the variable? :p 08.28.09 # pikhq: Since the linking is just based on names, yeah, I think the declarations should match exactly. 08.29.11 # ddalton: I do not use the safely remove hardware. It works just fine disconnecting the USB cable. 08.29.26 # webguest42: good luck with that 08.29.52 # I know. But I have always used umount. but I don't know I do that for mp3 players but not drives like usb thumb drives... 08.30.50 # * pikhq always does an umount. Having to umount -f sometime later is not fun; especially if the filesystem is somehow borked on the USB mass storage device. . . 08.30.55 Quit ze ("tomorrow") 08.32.06 # ddalton: unless you've written something its safe to pull the plug, in Windows at least 08.33.40 # ddalton: I don't mean to sound ungrateful. But I am in the US on Eastern time and it is 2:32 am. Do we have much more to try at this point or do you want to plan to meet here at another time? 08.39.26 # webguest42: Ok; Well I was just trying to get mine into disk mode since that is the first step to a port. Then atleast we could start a wiki page with a recovery mode for the e200 and c200. 08.39.34 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.39.47 # just one question before you go. What do you see in the drive when it is connected in recovery mode? 08.40.32 # ddalton: now I have -- audible folder, music folder, photo folder, record folder, .rockbox folder and the following files -- DID.bin, MTABLE.SYS, RES_INFO.SYS, SYS_CONF.SYS and version.sdk 08.41.16 # webguest42: ok good. and what does your sansa screen say? I can't check mine. I am visually impared. Did I tell you that? 08.41.33 # what does it say when connected in recovery mode? 08.42.38 # So am I but under my current lighting conditions I can read it (hence the reason I may return it if Rockbox won't work). Any time it is connected to the computer--in either mode--it simply says connecting 08.43.38 # webguest42: ah ok. I am totally blind so can't even read normal letters... but ok good. And are you 100% sure this is disk mode? 08.43.54 Part Llorean 08.44.42 # Well, it comes up as an actual drive mode which is different from having no drive letter so I am assuming that it is in disk mode. 08.46.14 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.46.14 # webguest42: ok. I will try and confirm with some other developers. I thought there should be a mi4 file there. But perhaps I can ask what people see on the v1s. Thank you very much for all your help though. I really appreciate it. Hopefully this has made some progress on the port. If I was you though I would probably swap it for a v1. They are pretty hard to find though. 08.46.19 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 08.46.45 # ddalton: sorry, I meant to say as an actual drive with a letter and I am assuming this is drive mode since I was able to perform the first steps of installing Rockbox. 08.47.28 # ah ok. well as I said I want to be sure it is disk mode before I start writing wiki pages and stuff... 08.47.35 # Are you talking about the rockbox.mi4 file? 08.48.03 # That file is in the .rockbox folder and not the root. 08.48.40 # webguest42: no. I thought there was one for the of. but I could be wrong. I also heard something about a 16 mb partition. 08.49.35 Quit Soap_ (Client Quit) 08.49.58 # ddalton: I say the information that referenced the partition but I did not follow those directions for getting into disk mode. 08.50.42 # I was a little leary of that incase it really messed something up and I needed to return the player. 08.50.44 Join Soap [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 08.50.51 # webguest42: ok. well I read to hold menu down while inserting the cable to get into disk mode. 08.51.04 # could you quickly try something for me since you can read your screen? 08.51.12 # Do you have any suggestions for a different player since the v1 are so hard to find? 08.51.23 # ddalton: yes 08.51.30 Quit ptw419 (Remote closed the connection) 08.51.53 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 08.52.22 # webguest42: Ok well first -turn off the player -switch hold on -hold down menu and insert the cable -Keep it down until you see something about a 16 mb partition 08.52.33 # if you don't see it after say 15 seconds just let go of menu. 08.53.13 # and a player to get. Well you may be able to get one of ebay. I think my port is going to take a while though. and perhaps a player of ebay since the other plays aren't sold either... 08.53.57 # *off 08.54.11 # hold on 08.54.36 # k 08.54.48 # ddalton, and webguest42, the v2s do not use the mi4 files like the v1s 08.55.27 # advcomp2019: oh. where did you see this? on bagder's website? 08.56.16 # ddalton, yea.. i looks like bin files 08.56.38 # advcomp2019: do you have a v2? 08.56.40 # No. This brings it up in standard mode and not in disk mode and never says anything about the 16 mb partion 08.57.35 # ok then. well I don't know what else to try. I really need to find a proper disk mode. maybe the one you said before is the correct one. I'll check with bagder and let you know if I have any luck. 08.57.50 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 08.57.54 # ddalton, no.. i am just reading Bagder's site 08.58.00 # But since I am going to be working on the v2 I suggest you return your player and get a supported one. Thanks for the help though. 08.58.44 # advcomp2019: do you reckon tech support or something at sandisk would tell me this? 08.59.16 # sorry I'll be working on the e200 v2. 08.59.21 # that's what I meant. 08.59.29 # Thanks for trying. I really thought I had done my research before asking for this for Christmas. Now I have to return it and don't know what to get. 08.59.48 # ddalton, do not know 09.00.24 # Well take a look on ebay. perhaps look at e200s. and ask the seller what the fw version is. 09.00.32 Join saratoga [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-65ab6dd5165d82d0) 09.00.40 # if it starts with 03 its a v2 if it starts with 01 its a v1. 09.00.45 # or maybe no 0 not sure... 09.00.52 # webguest42: you got a e200 v2? what capacity? 09.01.08 # JdGordon: hey. 09.01.17 # jdgordon: no a c250 v2 2 gig 09.01.35 Join dome [0] (n=5253e17e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d5ded29d903f64b) 09.01.43 Quit dome (Client Quit) 09.02.00 # JdGordon: Do you have a sansa v2? 09.02.09 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.187.143) 09.02.12 # webguest42: i have a slighty damaged e250 which im looking to get rid of if you possibly want to do some sort of swap? 09.02.16 # ddalton: hi, no v1 09.02.23 Quit khermans ("Leaving") 09.02.30 # v2 are the telechips ones yeah? 09.02.35 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@pD953593A.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.02.59 # JdGordon: ok. I am looking to port rockbox to my e200. what do you reckon? worth a shot? 09.03.07 # JdGordon, the v2 are ams 09.03.34 # ah, we got the docs for them... /me would love to try another port 09.04.16 # JdGordon: I have started working on it. First I am looking for a recovery mode. I have been talking to aliask about it too... 09.04.48 # the more ports the better... if you find the recovery mode thats a big step 09.04.56 # JdGordon: theres someone in the forums every day asking about the V2, so you could probably swap pretty easily 09.05.41 # Thanks for the help, both of you. But I've now it the 3 AM mark and I really, really need to go to bed. I may consider the Zen Stone then. Do any of you know if it has resume feature? Or if you can delete directly from player? 09.06.25 # JdGordon: more ports == better is correct, provided those ports actually advance... 09.06.32 # ddalton: recovery mode apparently is "turn on hold, hold rec and plug it and dont release rec untill its seen as a hard disk byt the computer" 09.06.32 # JdGordon: I got a v2 e200 for christmas. I have looked all day. But as you probably guessed blindness hasn't helped me when looking at the screen. some guy in the forums said how to get into recovery mode but that didn't work. Could I perhaps ask sansa for this info? 09.07.03 # amiconn: yeah, true 09.07.19 # * JdGordon goes to buzz eigima about the dsp 09.07.25 # Not much seems to happen on the mr500 port. And then there are linuxstb's "let's start a port and abandon it" ones... 09.07.46 # JdGordon: yes for the v1... But holding rewind while inserting the cable with hold on shows up as a hard disk. with autable and stuff on it. is this disk mode? 09.07.47 # bye 09.07.58 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.08.30 # good morning :-) 09.08.36 # amiconn: yeah, waiting for time to play with the mr500.. but there are older more stagnant ports 09.08.52 # * amiconn will *not* add the M3 to the build system until he actually starts working on it 09.09.15 # you forget.. rockbox runs fine on the mr500... just no audio 09.09.44 # which is the same state the sansas and ipods were at when they were added.. 09.09.45 Join eigma [0] (n=cat@CPE0014bfcf5eee-CM014060200457.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 09.09.45 # JdGordon: Yeah, Tatung Elio, AV300 and Logikdax come to mind... (the last one being the most advanced of the 3) 09.09.51 # somebody here who can give me wiki write permisson on rockbox.org? 09.09.52 # hi amiconn 09.10.05 Part webguest42 09.10.20 # as long as these abandoned ports are going into the target tree and not cluttering up the rest of svn, i don't see a whole lot of harm 09.10.29 # im tinhking more the ifp which hasnt had anything happen in ages.... since i have been around even possibly 09.11.11 # would be nice to move more of the archos code into target tree... clean it up a bit 09.11.13 # Ah yes, that one too 09.11.21 # JdGordon: when your e200 v1 is in recovery mode what are some directories you see? 09.11.37 # none of the top of my head... 09.11.54 # * JdGordon never understood why the sim build is enabled for ifp 09.12.42 # none here who can give permisson to write? i would like to upload my edited theme ;-) 09.12.54 # bah, whats your nick? 09.13.01 # Well, afaik the iFP port is more advanced than the others I mentioned 09.13.02 # DominiqueBellenger ? 09.13.06 # its dominiquebellenger 09.13.09 # right 09.13.10 # :) 09.13.54 # ok added 09.14.17 # As in, it actually plays music (not all codecs are working yet). But there is noo bootloader yet, and I don't know how rockbox is actually loaded 09.14.24 # JdGordon: I might have found the recovery mode for the v2 but am not sure. 09.14.27 # I guess some exploit in the OF... 09.14.46 # wasnt the OF hacked so it runs wma files instead of loading them as audio? 09.14.54 # * JdGordon seems to recall something along those lines 09.15.42 # thank you :-) so you may check out the ipod 5g themes in a few minutes, if you want to... pen&paper extended :D 09.17.47 # jdgordon: $ ls /dev/sda 09.17.52 # output is not even sda1 09.18.01 # does that mean there aren't any partitions? 09.18.11 # shouldn't it say /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc? 09.18.39 # here is what I get: 09.18.49 # /dev/sda 09.19.24 # I issued the command ls /dev/sda** is that correct? 09.19.36 # only one * 09.19.58 # but thats useless if its not mounted 09.20.25 # $dmesg | tail 09.21.43 # oh only one partition with one * 09.22.25 # no.. its regex... * means anything 09.22.52 # oh sdb exists too. but I can't mount it... 09.23.20 # how do I check how big /media/sandisk is? so I can see how big the partition I mounted is? 09.23.33 # df -h 09.26.15 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.26.34 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.29.11 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.30.23 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 09.30.58 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.31.08 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.34.27 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 09.38.06 # ddalton: fdisk -l /dev/sda 09.38.15 # (ell) 09.40.23 # JdGordon: still here? 09.40.30 # no. 09.42.38 # anyone here with a sansa e200 v1? 09.44.37 # sure 09.45.47 Quit pikhq (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.14 # saratoga: you got one? 09.47.40 # yes 09.47.44 # ddalton: yes 09.48.08 # saratoga: can you try this for me? 1. Connect and mount the sansa in recovery mode. 09.48.21 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.48.44 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.49.57 # ddalton: unfortunately i'm not running the Sandisk bootloader so I don't have a recovery mode 09.50.11 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.192) 09.50.24 # saratoga: Oh so with rockbox bootloader there is no recovery mode? 09.50.31 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 09.50.39 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.51.14 # ddalton: if you remove the Sandisk one as I did you lose recovery mode, however very few people realize you can do this, so most people have recovery mode 09.51.51 # oh I see. 09.52.16 # if I show you the directories and files I have on my recovery disk can you tell me if it sounds like a recovery disk? saratoga? 09.52.30 # ddalton: i'm not sure whats actually in recovery mode 09.53.17 # ok so me telling you what I have won't help. ok. 09.53.36 # saratoga and ddalton, on my e280r v1, there is only a version.txt file 09.53.37 # anyone here using a v1? 09.53.44 # sansa e200? 09.53.53 # or sansa e200 with rockbox. 09.54.54 # advcomp2019: so does this look like a recovery mode? 09.55.00 # AUDIBLE MUSIC RECORD SYS_CONF.SYS VIDEO 09.55.00 # MTABLE.SYS PHOTO RES_INFO.SYS version.sdk 09.55.12 # ddalton, nope 09.55.42 # advcomp2019: what does cat version.txt say for you? 09.55.42 # ddalton: if you're seeing the music folder, you're in UMS/MSC mode 09.56.26 # oh and when I am in the other mode the one when you just plug the cable in it has no version.sdk or whatever I said... 09.57.00 # ddalton, in that text file, only the info of the sansa firmware basically 09.57.22 # ok. should I mail sansa and ask them? 09.58.20 # ddalton, i do not know if they will tell you if there is a recovery mode 09.58.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.58.56 # is it worth a try? I thought that info isn't really that secret like HW info? 10.00.33 # ddalton, you can try but never know tho 10.00.55 Quit eigma () 10.02.50 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.03.30 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.06.38 # ok I have a telephone number I can ring. But I'll have to call tomorrow. to late for them now. but should I mention rockbox when I ask about a disk mode? 10.06.50 # probably not a good idea 10.09.29 # ok so if I say "could you tell me the keys to press to activate recovery mode" and they say "Why do you want recover mode?" what should I tell them? 10.16.03 Quit barrywardell () 10.18.02 Join pikhq [0] (n=pikhq@209.248.124.243) 10.18.36 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.19.05 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.24.52 # you should say nothing but "because it does not work anymore and i have to get it" 10.25.06 # to work 10.25.10 Join jott [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 10.25.13 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-162-21.dsl.telepac.pt) 10.27.22 # DerDome: well they will probably tell me to send it in or a different way to update the fw... 10.28.24 # a friend of mine couldn't get her (ipod) to work without recovery because of an REALLY empty battery ;) 10.28.39 Quit Casainho (Client Quit) 10.28.40 # normally they don't ask why you want to know that 10.28.46 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 10.29.11 # i hope you checked google for that request you have? :D 10.32.12 Join Webgiest [0] (n=4a87b5f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e48cb54ee540feb) 10.33.15 Quit zicho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.36.33 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.37.55 Quit j0tt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.39.16 # DerDome: What you don't think I have googled for this? 10.39.56 # I just don't want to say anything that may stuff up the rockbox port. someone else may want to port a sansa... 10.40.26 # so I want to make sure I don't say anything I shouldn't... 10.41.08 # sometimes the easiest solutions aren't seen ;) 10.41.30 # yep well if you see it. let me know. 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Or will I need any other dependencies? 14.52.33 # Its ok, I'm on linux 14.52.47 # you can use the latest prebuild version 14.52.56 # it works with album art 14.52.59 # nua: albumart is now in svn 14.53.07 # ahh great 14.53.30 # and don't try the bmp resize patch...it's broken 14.53.34 # but, it doesn't seem to work :S I have a bmp file in the folder with my album but its not displaying in the latest build 14.53.53 # does the bmp have to be a specific size then? 14.54.03 # what build do you have? 14.54.12 # one sec... 14.54.39 # r15975 14.54.47 # hmm, actually that seems old 14.55.10 # i got 15971 14.55.14 # and it works 14.55.53 # i've got a file named cover.bmp in each folder 14.56.04 # that's odd... I have cover.bmp in each folder too 14.56.05 # size is 100x100 max 14.56.10 # ahhh, that might be it 14.56.14 # :D 14.56.27 # if the size is too big it didn't work for me either 14.56.44 # r15975 is head, so I can't be more up to date it turns out 14.56.56 # ok, I'll get re-scaling 14.57.02 # DerDome: that's not true about the size... 14.57.14 Part jharu 14.57.20 # i said it did not work for _me_ ;-) 14.57.24 # * moos is using 140*140 on his gigabeat :) 14.57.26 # the size depends on the wps you're using 14.57.33 # i adjusted the size to 100x100 and it worked 14.57.43 # ok, might be 14.58.07 # in my wps i use c100|c100 14.58.09 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.58.39 # but somewhere i read about it does not work if the size extends the screensize ofyour player 14.58.55 # so with 100x100 you are safe ^^ 14.58.58 # is there any way of moving the database menu option to the top instead o the file-browser? 14.59.05 # depending on the player... 14.59.40 # nua: you have an option for this, but I advise you to check manual first 14.59.41 # nua: sure 14.59.46 # i think most players should have a minimum of 100x100 px? 14.59.58 Part bundik ("Leaving") 15.00.02 # nua: edit root_menu.h 15.00.04 # .c 15.00.33 # that's quite a good tip, thanks 15.02.05 # ok cool, thanks... I'll take a look 15.03.21 # nua: what is your syntax for loading the album art in the wps? 15.04.14 Join webguest76 [0] (n=45806462@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b084c5a59d37ba97) 15.04.20 # it is the %Cl and %C tag 15.05.24 # haha, well I'm currently trying to pick a theme :) ...resizing to 100x100 seems to make album art work in themes that support it now 15.05.35 # * linuxstb has some working viewports code - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewport1.html 15.05.50 # (a screenshot of my test plugin) 15.05.59 # linuxstb: wee ! \o/ 15.06.08 # I can't find a theme I really like, guess I'll just have to make one 15.06.18 # linuxstb: great stuff! 15.06.56 # linuxstb: great news :) 15.07.49 # *ad* nua: take my edited pen&paper *ad* 15.08.19 # I love the pen&paper theme, but there is no album art... unless thats what you've editied :D 15.08.25 # :) 15.08.30 # that'it 15.08.34 # send send send 15.08.34 # and next song 15.08.52 # you can get it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g 15.09.03 # bottom of page ;) 15.10.08 # can somebody tell me how to get the mainmenu centered? 15.11.00 # looks cool DerDome 15.11.17 # looks like the original i hope :) 15.11.40 # was a pain getting gimp to work like i wanted ^^ 15.14.40 Join Fraser [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 15.17.19 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-192-48.dsl.scarlet.be) 15.19.29 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-162-21.dsl.telepac.pt) 15.20.00 Part markdrago 15.22.53 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.23.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp26-179.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.25.03 Join jharu [0] (n=jayharu@212.118.123.20) 15.29.57 # hello :-) 15.30.12 # welcome :D 15.31.54 Quit xushi () 15.32.45 # I would like to get help in a e-mail that I sould send 15.32.51 # about Rockbox player 15.33.10 # I got attention form a company that sells online electronic kits... 15.33.17 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6751.msg109059#msg109059 15.33.21 # pelase help :-) 15.33.39 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.34.06 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 15.34.43 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 15.36.16 Part J-23 15.36.27 Join idangazit [0] (n=idan@unaffiliated/idangazit) 15.37.48 # hey folks: is the new usb-charging functionality mentioned on the front page implemented for the sansa-e200 players? 15.38.01 # (and if yes -- is it what I would get with the "current" build)? 15.38.37 # and regardless -- thank you so much for this lovely piece of software... :) 15.39.37 # i don't know what you mean with "new usb-charging functionality" but it sounds interesting. what is it capable of? 15.39.55 # usb charging... 15.40.12 # DerDome: check out the front page of rockbox.org 15.40.27 # mentions that the new usb stack supports usb charging 15.40.32 # ok, then it does not sound interesting for me, because i'm ipod user ;) 15.40.44 # which I assume means that it correctly asks the host to supply the full 500mA over USB 15.40.58 # versus previously where it would stick with default 100mA 15.41.32 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 15.41.41 # the news is from 2007-11-23 15.41.56 # shouldn't it be implemented in todays build? 15.42.10 # i think i would try :) 15.42.24 # DerDome: I'm completely new to rockbox, I just (today) got my new sansa and am about to load rb on it 15.43.04 # you might be unlucky 15.43.13 # just do it and enjoy it. i'm quite new too and absolutely fascinated (spelled correctly?!) 15.43.17 # newer sansas aren't supported in most cases 15.43.31 # as a sansa user i advice you to get the kugel one and follow instruction on loadin 15.43.41 # the rbx 15.44.16 Quit Fraser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.22 # hmm, I have a non-v2 sanse e260 15.44.30 # sounds good 15.44.41 # does this count as "newer sansa"? if so -- does this mean I have to get a non-mainline build? 15.44.48 # i.e. the "kugel" build? :) 15.44.53 # no 15.45.00 # yep, same as mine idangazit ;) 15.45.05 # it's just that the v2 are not supported 15.45.07 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 15.45.14 # nah, I got the $55 woot special 15.45.21 # refurb non-v2 e260 15.45.33 # I just live abroad so it took a while to get here 15.45.36 # it's just that the v2 are not supported<-- for now 15.45.55 # I saw the status page on that while digging through the docs -- yep 15.45.56 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 15.46.09 # yay! *excited* 15.46.13 # idangazit: where exactly? 15.46.20 # kugel: do you know how i can get the main menu to be displayed in the center of the screen? 15.46.22 # jharu: do I live? 15.46.32 # jharu: Tel Aviv, actually 15.46.41 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 15.46.58 # jharu: moved here a while back, my company's R&D is out here 15.47.04 # DerDome: there's a patch which allows you to free the menus a bit 15.47.08 # -_-.... israel? 15.47.21 # jharu: the one and only 15.47.28 # so i can take a look, thank you 15.48.33 # idangazit: as long as you follow the manual on how to install, its fine to use rbx on sansa w/o bein bricked. ;) 15.49.09 # jharu: yeah, I'm reading the whole procedure now to make sure there's nothing I missed, that's also why I popped in here to ask about the charging thing 15.49.23 # so basically with the current build I should be able to charge the sansa over USB? 15.49.50 # I saw that there's some interest in discharge data, I'll figure out how to do that if benchmarks will be helpful 15.49.53 # afaik, you cant charge on rbx... 15.50.01 # you must use of 15.50.21 # jharu: ah, so the news thing on the frontpage doesn't apply to sansas? 15.50.40 # yes, but for now 15.51.03 Quit nua ("Leaving") 15.51.13 # eh, I can live with that 15.51.14 # devs here are doin all they can to support usb. 15.51.32 # jharu: I appreciate that -- not criticising :) 15.51.49 # its fine :) 15.52.11 # it seems pretty easy to boot into OF so it's not such a big deal, really 15.52.54 # anyways, i advise you to switch to msc and stay there. (unless you like subscription music) 15.53.06 # I like my music Free 15.53.12 # :) 15.53.29 # p2p guy huh (limewire?) 15.53.43 # ugh, no 15.54.02 # archive.org 15.54.15 # * jharu says ooops XD 15.54.20 # even among p2p there are better ways to steal from music labels :) 15.54.34 # but that's not really on topic for this channel 15.54.43 # yep! 15.55.08 # I do however have stuff in m4a, which was the original reason I came looking for rockbox 15.55.17 # silla sandisk, not supporting aac 15.55.23 # s/silla/silly 15.55.47 Part J-23 15.55.50 # aac IS for ipod, ya know... 15.56.01 # aac is for everyone 15.56.06 # aac is for everyone 15.56.15 # fairplay / drm'ed aac is for ipod 15.56.32 # s/aac/mp3 15.56.35 # s/aac/ogg 15.56.46 # aac is just a standardized format 15.56.46 # ????? 15.57.04 # that's right 15.57.08 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.57.09 # idangazit: Don't listen to jharu! you can charge your battery over USB very well 15.57.10 # perhaps better to say 'vorbis' than ogg 15.57.25 # kugel: woo! that's nice :) 15.57.31 # There seems to be a common misconception that the first A in AAC is for "Apple". 15.57.38 # advanced audio coding 15.57.39 # egg XD 15.57.41 # A A C 15.58.06 # egg vorbis 15.58.08 # I like aac 15.58.09 # kissing cousin to AVC, Advanced Video Coding, aka h264, aka mpeg-4 part 10 15.58.10 # and I use it 15.58.21 # egg orbit 15.58.26 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@211-021-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 15.58.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.59.18 # I'm no professional sound guru but aac "works fine" for me :) 15.59.24 # idangazit: You can not only charge with rockbox, you can also listen to music and stuff while charging 15.59.36 # kugel: yeah, just read that entry in the faq 15.59.47 # holding down select btn when insert usb cable 15.59.56 # well, im no music buff. i just like to hear my songs on the coolest unsupported build there is!!!! casserole.. i mean kugel build 16.00.11 # hey, don't knock the kugel 16.00.15 # kugel's are tasty 16.00.23 # esp. with raisins and cinammon 16.00.26 # it's no casserole 16.00.41 # don't hassel the hoff :D 16.00.46 # take it from somebody with a rich eastern-european family history :) 16.01.10 # ? kugel: you mean there IS usb support for chargin now? thot there still some issues? 16.01.28 # jharu: I think you shouldn'T advertise unsupported builds here 16.02.01 # kugel: im askin for all includin official 16.02.20 # idangazit: wiki says its casserole though... 16.02.37 # jharu: the wiki has never tasted both :) 16.02.47 # kugel is a German word in this case people 16.03.03 # yiddish... 16.03.14 # yiddish is a pidgin most often based on german 16.03.25 # my nicks seems to be owned by some drugs though :P 16.03.33 # but basically rooted in the local language 16.03.44 # polish yiddish, german yiddish, etc 16.03.51 # * jharu tries to google himself... 16.04.06 # but before I started 'getting-googleable' the result didn't show even two results :P 16.04.11 # polish? i'm from poland :P 16.04.35 # xD 16.04.52 # but it's offtopic i think... 16.05.04 # seems like im a tribe of some sort... :( 16.05.06 # yeah ok, enough bother, sorry about the extra chatter :) 16.05.08 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 16.05.08 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.05.24 # want to finish reading the install guide and I don't want to miss anything, bbiab 16.05.37 # oogabooga scorche|w 16.06.09 Join bertrik_ [0] (n=Bertrik_@211-021-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 16.07.24 # * scorche|w has no comment 16.07.59 # -_-'.......... 16.18.16 # alas, rb utility does not identify my sansa 16.18.28 # but in its credit I am running vista on this machine 16.18.42 # which isn't supported, will check out manual install next 16.20.09 Quit bertrik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.20.11 # forgot to say manual is much better than auto install, idangazit 16.20.33 # jharu: yeah, but even manual isn't a bear 16.20.44 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 16.21.21 # just download sansapatcher, run it, and extract the build on your sansa 16.21.40 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=Bertrik_@211-021-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 16.21.43 # bear? 16.22.24 # jharu: means it's not bad 16.22.30 # something is a bear == something is bad 16.23.18 # ???? bear==not bad but example bear==bad? 16.23.44 # jharu: I said it's "not a bear" 16.23.48 # meaning not bad :) 16.23.51 # nevermind 16.23.55 # it's really not important 16.24.05 # kugel: yeah, that's what I'm doing, but reading the instructions some more 16.28.03 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 16.30.37 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.31.30 Part J-23 16.32.30 # grr, sansapatcher doesn't identify the player, and I'm sure I'm in MSC mode 16.32.49 # trying to figure this one out 16.33.10 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 16.33.37 # what os are you using idangazit? 16.33.45 # jharu: vista 16.34.06 # crap! vista has issues with removables... 16.34.18 # yeah, so I figured 16.34.19 # especially sansas... 16.34.32 # it seems to work just fine re: transferring data / music 16.34.35 # anyone there who owns an xp? 16.34.46 Join dos_ [0] (n=dos@dhh252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.34.56 # meh, starting to bug coworkers is no good, worst case I can try at home on xp 16.35.00 # oogabooga dos! 16.35.08 # or my computer; ubuntu 16.35.35 # sorry no can do on linux... widows user here... 16.35.37 Quit Rob2222 (Connection timed out) 16.36.15 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16215.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.36.33 # idangazit: is it recognized in vista as removable drive 16.36.35 # ? 16.36.42 # jharu: figured it out 16.36.50 # sansa updater software is responsible 16.36.55 # uninstalled and sansapatcher works great 16.37.25 # good for you fellow sansa user! XD 16.40.58 Join bertrik_ [0] (n=Bertrik_@189-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 16.42.22 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 16.43.19 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.43.53 Nick dos_ is now known as _dos_ (n=dos@dhh252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.44.17 # kugel: how do I go about adding an entry to the faq or manual? 16.44.23 Quit pixelma (" .") 16.44.24 Nick _dos_ is now known as _dos (n=dos@dhh252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.44.28 Nick _dos is now known as _dos_ (n=dos@dhh252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.44.59 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.45.17 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.45.40 # idangazit: which faq 16.45.43 # ? 16.45.46 # the sansa faq 16.45.59 # why? 16.45.59 # I just discovered that sansapatcher is blocked by installed sansaupdater 16.46.06 # and it's not in the faq 16.46.27 # the symptom is that sansapatcher / rb utility says "no sansa found" even if I give it the right model / drive letter 16.46.45 # I uninstalled sansaupdater utility and sanapatcher works fine 16.46.54 # you have to register and to be given the admission to write into the wiki:) 16.47.09 # I know for sure that I am in MSC mode both times, it's definitely sansaupdater's fault 16.47.12 Quit Frazz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.16 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 16.47.19 # hmmmm...... doesnt seem to do that on xp... 16.47.29 # DerDome: hmm, how about I write the faq entry and email to somebody who has commit access? 16.48.08 # idangazit: yours might just be an isolated case though... 16.48.27 # perhabs it is an vista-issue? 16.48.31 # it may be 16.48.41 # but even if it is -- it's a useful tip, I suspect 16.48.44 # and not written anywhere 16.48.48 # idangazit: i dont know, i'm a newby as well ;) 16.48.54 # i use xp so i dont know... 16.48.56 # "if you have trouble, try uninstalling sansaupdater" 16.49.23 # idangazit: for the manual, you need to edit the source code of rockbox, since the manual is part if ot 16.49.27 # of it* 16.49.29 # try askin bagder (if he will respond that is...) 16.49.33 # kugel: d'oh 16.49.41 # how about the faq? 16.49.57 # for the wiki pages you write access, like it has beed said 16.50.12 # +need 16.50.36 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.50.52 # kugel: I don't know / think I will have more to contribute past this tip 16.51.02 # what's the most sensible vehicle for getting this into the faq? 16.51.10 # I don't mind writing it and sending to somebody else to post 16.51.11 # perhaps you'll build a wps or something 16.51.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16215.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.51.29 # you need to register first 16.51.29 # DerDome: when I get to that point in time I'll register for write access 16.51.35 # after that you ask a dev for write access 16.51.58 # here in this channel :) 16.52.03 # yea 16.52.37 # talk about hierarcy ;D 16.52.42 Quit dos (Connection timed out) 16.52.44 # does it make sense to do this whole process for one edit? 16.52.49 # hierarchy 16.52.51 Nick _dos_ is now known as dos (n=dos@dhh252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.52.55 # you'll get to this point. there are few wps and i think you will edit one at least ^^ 16.53.17 # it is not a big thing to register 16.53.22 # 2minute-job 16.53.45 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 16.54.11 # k 16.54.19 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.54.26 # speakin of which, ive been doin some wps myself. is there a way to make text bigger when you point at it? 16.55.00 # "point at it" with which device you can point at text? 16.55.20 # i mean scroll at it... 16.55.25 # sansa 16.55.25 # ah you mean the currently selected menuitem i.e. 16.55.34 # yes... 16.55.55 # ok, so who here is a dev? 16.56.09 # I have a registered account, would like to add an entry to the sansa faq 16.56.27 # try bagder... 16.56.35 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 16.57.12 # or pixelma. 16.58.11 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 16.58.21 # DerDome: any ideas how? 16.58.34 # ? 16.58.38 # who is dev? 16.58.54 # many people in here are devs... 16.58.57 # dev== developer 16.59.02 Quit bertrik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.59.04 # idangazit: you mean wiki? if so just tell your name 16.59.13 # desowin: IdanGazit 16.59.16 # like scorche|w!!! 16.59.17 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=Bertrik_@189-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 16.59.38 # desowin: you want to add it or are you giving me write access? 16.59.50 # (or 'c, none of the above') 17.00.04 # write access...anyone who has write access can give it further though 17.00.28 # oh, that's good to know :-) 17.00.28 Join Fraser [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.00.45 # in all honestly I don't think I will be adding more after this -- but I think the tip would help others, it would have helped me 17.01.03 # yeah... 17.01.34 # idangazit: do it 17.02.01 # (I mean you have write access now) 17.02.10 # desowin: thanks :) 17.02.24 # don't abuse your power though :P 17.02.32 # that makes idangazit a dev! ;D 17.02.52 # wiki write access i suppose 17.03.00 # with great power comes great responibility... ripoff!!! 17.03.09 # XD 17.03.45 Quit jharu () 17.03.54 # desowin: I don't plan on it 17.04.06 # unless you mean wham-bam-edit-thank-you-ma'am is abuse 17.04.16 # ;) 17.04.38 Join Soap [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.06.01 Quit pixelma (" ..") 17.10.53 # hey, it works 17.10.53 Quit FOAD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.11.03 # go go gadget googlebot 17.11.19 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.12.02 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.16.16 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16215.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.18.18 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-89-191.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 17.20.08 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.22.05 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.22.34 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.23.05 Join Clint [0] (n=Clint@thumb.scru.org) 17.23.33 Nick DerDome is now known as DerDome^afk (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.25.47 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178068078.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.25.58 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 17.26.00 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (i=kugel@e178068078.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.26.03 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 17.26.19 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 17.29.11 Join Soap [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.33.02 Join denes [0] (n=denes@pool-3698.adsl.interware.hu) 17.34.53 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 17.36.46 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.36.47 # Hi! Can I add an other target to the other targets wiki page? Although rockbox will probably won't be ported to this target, mostly because of very little ram, but there still is an effort to make an opensource firmware for it. 17.37.23 # it's the perception digital/mymusixx pd-205 ( http://web.interware.hu/rudas/dbalatoni/pd205.html ) 17.39.50 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 17.40.05 # see y'all later 17.40.07 # thanks for the help! 17.42.24 Part idangazit 17.44.55 Quit Fraser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.46.14 Part barrywardell 17.47.37 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-38-207.dsl.telesp.net.br) 17.48.00 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 17.48.09 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.51.11 Quit Frazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.23 Quit m0f0x__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.55.52 Quit dos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.56.58 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.28 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-184-14.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 17.58.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.59.49 Quit mokkurkalve ("leaving") 18.00.57 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 18.02.31 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!") 18.03.00 Join lassesdatamaskin [0] (n=sindre@165.80-202-81.nextgentel.com) 18.06.17 Quit tedr0ck (Client Quit) 18.06.36 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.208.119) 18.06.50 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-27.home1.cgocable.net) 18.07.37 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3963.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.10.07 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.10.08 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@pool-72-76-184-14.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 18.13.06 Quit hannesd_ (Client Quit) 18.13.20 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 18.16.16 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-10-248.dsl.telesp.net.br) 18.16.20 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.18.02 Nick x-spec-ting is now known as Spec (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 18.23.00 Join EspeonEefi [0] (n=espeonee@c-75-66-59-124.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 18.23.00 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 18.24.39 Join digitallo [0] (n=digitall@gsdt13.gradsch.ohio-state.edu) 18.27.08 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.24 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 18.30.06 Part DerDome^afk ("Leaving.") 18.30.58 # When I try to run make for the simulated e200r I get the message "No rule to make target 'UI-e200r.bmp', needed by '/home/user/rockbox/build-dir/UI256.bmp'. The e200 works correctly. 18.31.39 Join DerDome^afk [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.31.48 Part DerDome^afk ("Leaving.") 18.31.50 Join DerDome^afk [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.31.53 Part DerDome^afk ("Leaving.") 18.32.05 Join DerDome^afk [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.32.26 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 18.34.32 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 18.34.35 # digitallo: afaik there's no difference between the e200 and the e200r sim. 18.36.27 # Sounds good. Then I'll just use the e200 sim. The only difference between them is the rhapsody mode in the original firmware, so that would make sense. 18.36.35 # digitallo: use the e200 target. 18.36.49 # e200r is for bootloader and e200r-e200 conversion only 18.38.27 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 18.40.38 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 18.40.38 # Ahhh, ok. Thanks a lot for the info. 18.41.00 # we should document that somehwo, because I made the error too when I went to install on my e200r. 18.41.36 # Maybe just whine and moan in configure if the user selects the e200r target for anything but bootloader? 18.41.41 # If there was a hint on the configure screen, that would have been good enough for me. 18.42.19 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 18.49.07 Quit pixelma (" ...") 18.55.12 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.04.30 # Why is there a separate e200r target at all? 19.04.56 Join nua [0] (n=nua@user-54454d79.lns5-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk) 19.05.13 # amiconn: for the bootloader 19.05.29 # (apparently) 19.05.33 # Why not have a unified bootloader? 19.07.18 # does anyone know if the album art is automatically detected when in the format cover.100x100.bmp or does it need to be specified in the WPS theme? My iPod is currently trying to show cover.bmp instead, which is a much bigger file and doesn't display properly... 19.07.53 # nua: I think the theory is that cover.100x100.bmp should be used if the wps asks for a 100x100 cover. 19.08.19 # rasher: so I need to know the exact size being requested by my theme I guess 19.08.37 # nua: Yeah, pretty much 19.09.09 # but you can easily take a look in your wps and examine the size it wants 19.09.23 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.10.16 # * Buschel does some further experiments on 5G power consumption 19.12.18 # wouldn't it be a good idea to disable DEV_OPTO (=scrollwheel device) when hold button is active? as well as disabling DEV_USB and 0x8 (DEV_EN) as long as usb wasn't detected via GPIO? 19.12.38 # DerDome: so your pen&paper AA theme uses 100x100? 19.13.19 # 100x100 or less 19.13.39 # right, so I'm using your theme, and in each folder I have cover.100x100.bmp 19.13.43 # and no luck :( 19.14.29 # hm. just like me... 19.14.43 # same size, same theme... 19.15.16 # hmm, do you also have a file called cover.bmp as well as cover.100x100.bmp? 19.15.40 # yes. in every folder 19.15.49 # because i just had 130x130 19.16.02 # and had to convert for good display as 100x100 19.17.00 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 19.17.44 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-49-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) 19.18.38 # Still not working... this is annoying 19.19.06 # sorry to be a bore, but could you give me an 'ls' of one of your album directories? 19.19.16 # just to check 19.19.24 # 1sec 19.19.32 # plug everything together ;) 19.21.22 # btw, I wrote a little python & bash script to generate thumbnails for all my cover art and then sync all music with my pc, let me know if anyone wants it and I'll clean it up and hand it over :) 19.21.43 Join Aevum [0] (i=Aevum@25.43.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) 19.21.48 Part Aevum ("Saliendo") 19.22.18 # sounds nice, perhaps somethiing for the forums? 19.22.22 Join Aevum [0] (i=Aevum@25.43.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) 19.22.27 Join Tydus [0] (n=syaoran_@212.118.118.241) 19.22.43 Quit DerDome^afk (Excess Flood) 19.22.53 # in fact, I've just realised! thats what didn't work hahaha.... I forgot to pass the right size, so the filename is cover.100x100.bmp but the size is different 19.22.59 # Doh! 19.23.08 # I'll fix that and see what happens :) 19.23.09 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-225-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.23.28 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.23.56 # please help my sansa just got bricked by rockbox... 19.24.18 # nua: when you say thumbnails - does it make a secondary file that is 100 x 100 instead of resizing your nice big album art? 19.24.49 # yeah it converts my big jpg cover to a seperate bmp file 19.25.14 # so in my album folders I have cover.jpg, cover.100x100.bmp etc 19.25.35 # so I can still view the big pics on my ipod using rockbox jpeg viewer 19.25.37 # :D 19.26.12 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 19.27.09 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 19.27.26 Join soap_ [0] (n=soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 19.28.04 Quit soap_ (Client Quit) 19.29.25 Join soap_ [0] (n=soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 19.29.36 Join _stink_ [0] (n=stink@adsl-75-45-168-151.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 19.30.59 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.32.28 # <_stink_> i just installed rockbox on an iPod mini 2G. when I try to get back to the apple firmware by setting the hold button just after rebooting, it seems to enter an endless reboot loop. if I unset the hold button, it eventually reboots into rockbox. any suggestions on how to get back to the apple firmware? 19.33.51 Quit digitallo (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 19.38.41 Nick soap_ is now known as Soap (n=soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 19.39.11 Join dsh-1 [0] (n=daishi@ool-18be2452.dyn.optonline.net) 19.40.17 Nick dsh-1 is now known as Daishi (n=daishi@ool-18be2452.dyn.optonline.net) 19.40.59 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 19.45.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5B04.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.45.52 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.23 Quit plus_M ("Leaving") 19.50.50 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-231-38-118.tukw.qwest.net) 19.52.01 Quit japc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.53.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.53.50 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5B04.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.55.07 Quit Tydus () 19.58.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.59.20 Join animeloe_ [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 20.00.04 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 20.01.22 Quit Arathis (Remote closed the connection) 20.02.16 # got tinydns working 20.02.27 # have tarballs for those who want it working on their mips routers 20.02.41 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3963.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.36 Join animeloe__ [0] (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 20.04.02 Quit animeloe (Nick collision from services.) 20.04.04 Nick animeloe__ is now known as animeloe (n=animeloe@unaffiliated/animeloe) 20.05.18 Quit midkay (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.11.28 Join feisar_ [0] (n=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 20.11.28 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.12.21 Part J-23 20.13.31 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host111-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.16.11 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.20.15 Quit animeloe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.24 Join dos [0] (n=dos@xmpp.1.jabster.pl) 20.21.08 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@ppp-70-253-63-165.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 20.25.57 Quit nua ("Leaving") 20.26.08 Part dos 20.28.24 Quit madspin ("Leaving") 20.30.20 Quit Aevum ("Saliendo") 20.34.39 # jhMikeS: Question: Do your mpegplayer fixes affect the various error messages people occasionally report about missing some start thing? 20.34.55 # * Llorean wonders why he felt the need to precede his question with "Question:" 20.44.06 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 20.50.19 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 20.55.48 Join Synx_hm [0] (n=synx@ip68-3-144-232.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.56.12 # Is mpeg playback in a good usable state, or should i stick with the stock ipod 5.5g firmware to watch videos and use rockbox for music? 20.56.27 # im a bit worried about battery life and video performance/syncing 21.00.34 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-33-135.dsl.telesp.net.br) 21.01.46 # On the iPod Video, performance is better in the original firmware, because we don't know how to use the special hardware for it yet so everything's done on the CPU 21.02.30 # got ya 21.02.34 # think ill do video that way 21.04.23 Join x-spec-t [0] (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 21.04.35 Quit Spec (No route to host) 21.05.24 # On most of the Rockbox players video works great 21.05.47 # But the combination of "large" screen, and slow processor makes the iPod Video rather unsuited for video playback unless you can use the Broadcom chip, which we can't. 21.05.50 Nick x-spec-t is now known as Spec (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 21.07.18 # cool 21.09.57 Part J-23 21.10.54 # poop think i killed the ipod firmware 21.11.13 # know of any recovery/update tools that wont kill rockbox 21.11.40 # actually im a tool, i had hold on haha 21.11.50 # hehe good one :-D 21.11.56 # ya hehe 21.18.44 Quit Buschel () 21.39.43 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 21.44.06 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 21.48.34 Nick Spec is now known as x-spec-ting (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 21.49.07 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.54.42 Quit lassesdatamaskin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.56.24 Quit Thundercloud__ (Remote closed the connection) 21.57.13 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl8-4-161.dsl.telepac.pt) 21.58.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.01.09 Join reprise [0] (n=epitaph@S010600179ace43ca.vs.shawcable.net) 22.01.34 # ok i dont really understand what generation my ipod is, but can i run rockbox on a 160GB ipod? 22.02.22 # i would really love to just be able to do a drag and drop dump onto the hard disk and not have to bother with itunes at all 22.02.26 # no - That would be the iPod Classic 22.02.26 Join courtc_ [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 22.02.30 # damnit 22.02.41 # i was counting on you guys =( 22.02.55 # Blame Apple. 22.02.57 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.03.06 # look into the iTunes replacements - such as sharepod / gtkpod / etc. You won't get true drag-and-drop, but you will get something closer than iTunes. 22.03.09 # oh they made some new encryption of their shitty system? 22.03.15 Quit Daishi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.03.18 # i need the space 22.04.09 # agh so now i have to transcode everything to mp3 or alac 22.04.15 # hmmm maybe ogg 22.04.26 # encryption is cracked afaik 22.04.56 # can "classic" handle ogg? gen5 cannot 22.05.09 # thats what im wondering 22.05.14 # i guess prolly not eh 22.05.20 # sure it can....just not with the original firmware 22.05.22 # try amarok 22.05.25 # for managing 22.05.27 # DerDome: The firmware encryption? 22.05.34 # the "encryption" on the database was cracked...not the encryption on the firmware 22.05.38 # what other firmware can i use on a classic? 22.05.43 # DerDome: The database encryption is bypassed, not the firmware encryption 22.05.46 # reprise: None at the moment. 22.05.49 # kk 22.06.07 # well i guess no ogg then scorche! 22.06.13 # can amarok handle the new generation? 22.06.15 # ill look into amarok derdome 22.06.22 # ack i hope so 22.06.32 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.06.32 # sec 22.06.33 # this computer's my mom's and i dont wanna screw with her itunes 22.06.34 # Yep, it can 22.06.48 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16215.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.06.55 # ill probably get foobar's ipod component to handle it when i get home 22.06.55 # so i don't have to throw a look :D 22.07.33 # oh well, at least ill get long battery life 22.07.35 Quit courtc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.08.02 # i loved the applesoftware for that 22.08.04 # anyone know if theres a way to output digitally, or unamped? 22.08.23 # reprise: This isn't the appropriate place for asking questions about hardware we don't support 22.08.27 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.08.28 # my cans need a fat amp 22.08.50 # uhh we were having a conversation Llorean, is this a help-only channel? 22.08.59 # This is #Rockbox 22.09.08 # It's an on-topic channel for Rockbox support an development 22.09.20 # well i apologize 22.09.29 # That's why it tells you to read the guidelines before speaking in the topic. 22.09.53 # and in a private message sent to you upon joining 22.10.10 # i'm gonna go cut off my hands 22.10.35 # thanks for you help though guys 22.11.37 # :) 22.12.54 # is ipod classic firmware in development? 22.13.19 # i dont knwo of anyone working on it 22.16.00 # wikipedia says no - but it's notrockbox' wiki :) 22.16.35 # "development" is the wrong word. what needs to be done it to crack or circumvent the encryption 22.20.15 Quit bertrik ("bye") 22.21.02 # reprise: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus 22.21.41 # Zagor: i havent checked the logs to see, but did you catch the comment from a really annoying person about your IRC log perl script? 22.22.06 Quit waldo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.22.11 # hehe 22.22.26 # scorche|w: no, when was that? 22.22.46 # just look around the logs for a ton of spam....let me check :) 22.23.08 # oh lovely... 22.23.52 # Basically, it looks like you can pass it a string for the date that'll cause it to redirect you to any URL 22.24.14 # well, you can do other things, but that was one such example 22.24.41 # Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20071227#07:59:44 22.24.43 # I thought the other things were mostly, "redirect users to pages where the other things are done to them"? 22.25.50 # Looks like it's "execute javascript through an url" 22.26.22 # Ah 22.27.52 # seemed something like that, but i was too tired last night to look closely =/ 22.31.00 Join hellogoodbye [0] (n=chatzill@c-69-138-211-94.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 22.31.12 # hey guys i need some help 22.31.22 # i just got a 30gb ipod video 22.31.27 # Ah, it's just because of the way the "Invalid filename" page gets printed. 22.31.32 # installed rockbox 22.31.35 # its all good 22.31.48 # but when i plug it in, windows doesnt recognize it 22.32.07 # i have to unplug it and switch back to the apple OS to put my music on it 22.32.12 # what can i do? 22.32.13 # hellogoodbye: that's because there's no real usb support in Rockbox. Reboot to the Apple OS. 22.32.18 # ugh 22.32.33 # really? 22.32.45 # my old nano worker with rockbox and USB directly 22.32.46 # shouldn't it reboot into recoverymode automatically? 22.32.53 # hellogoodbye: No, it didn't. 22.32.59 # It just rebooted into disk mode 22.33.14 # alright then 22.33.30 # it doesnt reboot automatically, what can i do? 22.33.55 # reboot manually 22.34.12 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-221-97.dsl.scarlet.be) 22.34.21 # does it only reboot automatically with linux OS? 22.34.26 # i mean how can i get it to reboot manually? 22.34.36 # because mine does 22.34.37 # Menu+Select 22.34.49 # i mean automatically, sorry 22.34.59 # DerDome, that isn't a function of Linux vs Windows, 22.35.33 Nick Synx_hm is now known as Synx_afk (n=synx@ip68-3-144-232.ph.ph.cox.net) 22.35.43 # how can i get it to reboot automatically? 22.35.48 # so then i'm lucky? 22.36.51 # ? 22.39.05 # hellogoodbye, you probably can't. Just reboot manually for now. A working USB stack will come around eventually. 22.39.08 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.39.10 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2007122605]") 22.39.18 # alright then, thanks 22.39.29 # which version of rockbox do you run? 22.39.39 # most recent build, today's 22.39.54 # hm. then i'm lucky ;) 22.41.56 Quit hellogoodbye ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.42.38 Join ddalton [0] (n=ddalton@124-168-58-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) 22.45.09 Join Akula [0] (n=522024a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e5973af53ab2fcf9) 22.52.50 # Hi. Can anybody give me a bit of help here: I'm about to install RockBox on a sandisk e280v1, Do I need to set it to MSC or MTP mode first? 22.53.02 # msc 22.53.31 # Thanks 22.54.08 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 22.55.06 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.58.25 # scorche|w: thanks for the notice. redirect ability disabled. 23.00.30 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 23.01.13 Join uwe__ [0] (n=uwe@dslb-084-056-051-068.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.01.44 # Bagder: Still here? 23.01.56 # yeps 23.02.23 # Zagor: dont thank me...thank our spammy friend :) 23.02.34 # Bagder: When I email sandisk to find the recovery mode (The stuff on the net didn't work) and there wasn't really much info what should I tell them? 23.02.52 # like why I need it. 23.03.18 # scorche|w: annoying guy... 23.03.19 # ddalton: tell them the truth in your first mail, then make something up in your next if they don't answer! ;-) 23.04.31 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.04.51 # ok two different answers from two different people... :-) so say I want to know for porting an open source firmware called "rockbox" and if that doesn't work should I just say my player has completely crashed the computer won't recognise it and I need to get into recovery mode to fix it? 23.04.52 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.05.59 # ddalton: the sandisk guys know about Rockbox already so when you tell them it is for this reason, I think it'll either help or prevent you from getting help! 23.06.19 # Bagder: isn't it the same guy that answers them? what will he do when he says me sending the same question just with another reason? 23.06.41 # use another address or ask someone else to send the second mail perhaps 23.06.59 # oh ok. sure. 23.07.24 # here's a little neat quote from my sandisk contact: "In our meetings last week with Europe Distis they all knew of you/rockbox.org." 23.07.30 # and you know how you got the data sheats. Are you allowed to show me them or do I need to get my own? I understand this is quite protected information. 23.07.56 Quit waldo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.08.41 # (quote from last year of course, not recent) 23.09.04 # ok. 23.09.05 # ddalton: I can make the data sheet available to you, sure. 23.09.12 # I'm having a problem with my e280 installation. I've downloaded the Rockbox Utility, and clicked on "Complete Installation", and it tells me that there is no e280 connected. 23.09.37 # Akula: when did you get your sansa?...it might be a v2 23.09.48 # Bagder: Thx. so what do I need to do keep it to myself? 23.10.02 # Bagder: did they say anything further? =) 23.10.03 # ddalton: exactly 23.10.10 # Nope, i'm pretty sure its a v1. The little writing on the back says: "e280", not "e280v2". So its a v1, as far as I know. 23.10.18 # scorche|w: nope, I haven't got any response to my recent email 23.10.31 # Bagder: ok. How are you going to get them to me then? 23.10.37 # bah....sounded like a fun story 23.10.50 # Akula, what firmware version do you have 23.10.53 # ddalton: details in PM coming up... 23.11.52 # I'm not sure. Pretty recent, I would imagine, as it was an Xmas present 23.12.12 # Akula, look in setting then info 23.12.16 # Akula: I believe the "complete installation" for sansa isn't rock solid 23.12.41 # the first time I tried rbutil (just a few weeks ago) it failed miserably on my sansaa 23.13.17 Quit uwe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.13.47 # okay, should I try the "small installation"? - also, the sansa is refreshing the database, could be a few minutes before I get the firmware version 23.14.11 # Akula: Does the box advertise "Audible" support? 23.14.11 # ah, okay, its good. I have the verison 01.02.18E 23.14.33 # Akula, that is a v1 good 23.14.36 # Akula: or try doing the bootloader install first and then the actual rockbox one 23.14.40 # Bagder: ok. so when I ask for help from another dev I have to be careful what I say? 23.15.22 # ddalton: no, you can say just about everything, just don't send around the document 23.15.35 # bootloader install? I'm a bit of a newbie with all these terms, sorry ;-) 23.15.44 # Bagder: ok. 23.16.10 # Akula: use the "manual installation" in the manual 23.16.20 # Ah, okay. 23.16.21 Quit pikhq (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.16.41 # Bagder: so are you going to pm me the info? my irc client doesn't automatically alert me of pms when I am in the #rockbox window. Perhaps its a screenreader issue... 23.17.04 # ddalton: oh, yeah I already PMed you 23.17.35 # Bagder: you arent identified 23.17.40 # oh 23.17.47 # silly me 23.18.29 # thanks scorche|w 23.19.22 Join peppot [0] (n=odd@53dbdfba.umea.cust.skycom.se) 23.19.36 # double entries in database: rebuild of db to fix? 23.21.00 # peppot: that *typically* comes from a "trash/recyclebin/etc" hidden folder on the device that your computer's OS makes 23.22.03 # yes, could be. but I've never deleted this album on my ipod, and I only copy via rhythmbox/apple firmware copying mode 23.22.11 # (i.e. no manual copying) 23.22.33 # you could place both copies in a playlist together and see the file path for each 23.22.55 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 23.23.18 # ah. is there a way to see the path in the GUI? 23.23.42 # (I have only a usb-less terminal here) 23.23.54 # You could open the playlist in the text viewer 23.25.18 # awesome 23.25.33 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54966604.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.25.44 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16215.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.25.49 # quick rundown of open etc? 23.27.46 # otherwise documentation for applications is in the manual? 23.28.31 # There's an open with option in the context menu, and yes, it's pretty much covered in the manual 23.29.50 Join x-spec-t [0] (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) 23.29.57 Quit x-spec-ting (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.31 # Okay, im doing the manual install on my e280. The instructions on the wiki tell me that I need to be logged in as an administrator; how do I check that I am? 23.31.31 # scorche|w: it lists the same path for duplicate files 23.32.10 # then try deleting all of the *.tcd files and rebuild 23.33.16 # okay, dont worry, i've done it. Rockbox bootloader installed correctly. Moment of truth, about to unplug the sansa and see if it works... 23.33.30 # scorche|w: aight 23.35.28 # scorche|w: I deleted the .tcds and entered Database> and now it's working: "Building database... 4882 found"... 23.35.48 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 23.36.20 # woo! my sansa e280 now has rockbox installed and working. A big thanks to you guys! 23.36.54 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 23.37.05 # I'm surprised it could determine how many files there were so quickly...? 23.37.35 # the turbo button is always pressed in rockbox ;-P 23.37.42 # =) 23.37.50 # hm 23.37.55 # there's absolutely no disk activity... 23.38.11 # oh well, I'll let it sit for a while 23.38.16 # need to get some sleep 23.38.29 # thanks for the help scorche|w, Llorean 23.39.34 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-212-214.dsl.scarlet.be) 23.43.19 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.43.42 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.47 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18be2452.dyn.optonline.net) 23.50.33 Quit Akula ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.52.07 Join scorche` [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 23.53.08 Quit qwedsa_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.24 Quit Axio_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.26 Join qwedsa [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 23.54.06 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.54.54 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 23.55.14 Quit ender` (" A computer program will always do what you tell it to, and seldom what you want it to.") 23.55.27 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.58.31 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 23.58.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"