--- Log for 30.12.107 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 days and 8 hours ago 00.00.06 # Yes, why not? Trade compression for seek accuracy or somesuch 00.00.33 # The seek should of course snap to the nearest start-of-gop 00.00.47 # for DVD it's 15 for PAL and 18 for NTSC and all the players can wind to a particular frame in that case quite quickly 00.00.50 # amiconn: Seeking is plenty fast as it is right now, at least on Gigabeat. ;) 00.00.56 # how does mplayer do it? 00.00.57 Join dsa [0] (i=Prisoner@ppp-RAS1-5-199.dialup.eol.ca) 00.00.59 # hello 00.01.02 # I can seek nearly instantly with GOP length of 300. :-P 00.01.31 # does rockbox work with any version of ipod firmware 00.01.44 # for example theres an update available for the 5.5g winpod 00.01.45 # dsa: As long as it works with that hardware version, yes 00.01.46 # seeking with mplayer is always almost instantly... but i guess they don't care about uncorrupted decoding after seeking as the first few frames after a seek are a bit messed up most of the time ;) 00.01.53 # ioh ok 00.01.56 # awesome 00.02.08 # conando: mplayer is also on processors on average 10+ times faster than ours. 00.02.31 # conando: when I looked they "sloppy seek" to about within 1/2 second but the algorthm I came up with can find an exact timestamp in about 5-15 iterations so why not be precise. :) 00.02.36 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.02.37 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 00.03.06 # of course.. but this is also how it "feels" on slower processors.. mplayer is aroudn for quite some time and it's sort of known aroudn for this "instant seeking" behaviour or feeling or whatever ;) 00.03.19 # is it possible to use fdisk on windows? 00.03.34 # conando: Have you tried the new seeking in Rockbox with a reasonable GOP value? 00.03.34 # I think they may fine tune the initial seek afterward. I know WMP will give up being exact if it has to search too far. 00.03.37 # conando: Try it on a ~100MHz machine... 00.03.38 # conando: It was just added a few hours ago 00.03.54 # jhMikeS yeah i already thought they'd do a pretty sloppy seek ;) .. ah cool.. then bring it on hehe 00.05.00 # I.e. top-level PC from 1994 or 1995 00.05.33 Quit Sanemind ("Quitting") 00.05.41 # Llorean no not yet.. i was talking to jhMikeS about it just before he committed the changes... just have to finish some other work here first :( 00.06.01 Quit mhydronic () 00.06.17 # It's orders and orders of magnitude faster feeling than the previous start point selection 00.06.58 # amiconn of course it won't be the same as on state of the art workstation hardware.. i never said that.. i meant just in comparison with other software on the same machine doing seeks mplayer will almost always outperform 00.07.14 # sounds great! 00.07.34 # Llorean: Is startup time also better now? 00.07.41 # amiconn: MUCH 00.07.42 # anyone? 00.08.00 # amiconn: I can resume a file at 1:53:22 almost instantly (spin up is the only real delay) 00.08.03 # Old mpegplayer had slow startup on coldfire, and was pathetic on PP... 00.08.12 # It was pretty bad on Gigabeat too 00.08.23 # I mean even when playing from the beginning 00.08.23 # I'll be testing on an iPod Video in a few days for a Best / Worst comparison 00.08.27 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.31 # dsa: short answer: yes. 00.08.44 # long answer? 00.08.45 # 1:53:22? that's a pretty long video to watch on such a small device :) 00.08.55 # go here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/255867 00.08.59 # kk 00.09.01 # thank you 00.09.15 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 00.09.15 # welcome 00.09.17 # conando: I have encodes of several of my DVDs for testing purposes. 00.09.25 # but google it first 00.09.30 Quit EternalRains ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 00.10.57 # * amiconn once watched LotR part 1 on the archos recorder :> (@ conando) 00.11.12 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.11.21 # i haven't yet tried watching a whole (2h) movie on the little 220x176 screen ;) 00.11.33 # amiconn... that's pretty much as geeky as it can get... 00.11.42 # Archos is 112x64, monochrome. Showing greyscale with neat trickery. 00.11.47 # I managed to get through all of 300 on a 132x80 screen at 2.35 aspect ratio 00.12.01 # i know.. before the sansa i still used my archos player :) 00.12.02 # at least a 320x240 screen + nice CPU power makes it ok to watch TV and movies 00.12.10 # Though I only half watched it. Looks to make sure it was going, etc, just curious about battery life. 00.12.20 # oh you could have topped that lotr "experience" .. you could have watched it as ascii art on the archos player ;o) 00.12.21 # Surprising results, after the whole film it still showed 77% charge. 00.13.19 # Llorean: Do you turn the BL brightness way down? I keep it up just high enough for white to seem white. 00.13.27 Quit karashata (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.13.32 # jhMikeS: I left it at default 00.14.09 # I don't know whether the percentages are right for the c200 yet, but if they are, it'd suggest you could get 9 hours of video or more out of it, surprisingly. 00.14.16 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@145-020-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 00.14.19 # conando: Honestly, I pondered trying the greyscale trick on the archos player. But I guess you won't be able to recognise much at 20x14 pixels resolution... 00.14.33 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 00.14.36 # this will also use less CPU since it actually sleeps the processor now when waiting to draw frames 00.15.44 # Oh, it didn't do that before? 00.16.06 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.24 # amiconn: no, just spinning. now it waits for the whole duration and just spins the small remainder to be accurate. if waiting for audio insert, it sleeps the audio thread for one audio frame. 00.18.34 # FYI, the Sansa View has a second partition made exactly like the e200v1 00.19.02 # Was the View the one with the PP-derived chip(s)? 00.19.07 # yes 00.19.09 # not waits the _whole_ duration but duration - 1 tick and most frames are several ticks long 00.19.32 # * linuxstb has lost track of the Sansa range of players... 00.19.49 # the view looks almost like a e200 and has the PP61x0 something 00.19.57 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.207.167) 00.20.17 # sansa's trying to keep up with the new rockbox ports started lately :) 00.22.09 # * jhMikeS also doesn't know why he keeps referring to "SanDisk" as "Sansa" :p 00.23.37 # santa? ;) 00.23.57 # he brought me a sansa for xmas... 00.24.56 # I think the e200 v3 is coming out next week or am I behind on things? 00.26.28 # Reading the manual I don't see anything about 'Smart Playlists' ... does RB have them?? 00.26.47 Join kimi-sharamin [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.207.167) 00.27.00 Quit karashata (Nick collision from services.) 00.27.03 Nick kimi-sharamin is now known as karashata (n=Kimi@207.61.207.167) 00.27.08 # The database has fully customisable searches - which I think are equivalent to what Apple call "Smart playlists". 00.27.51 # If they're not in the manual, you can read about them here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase 00.28.08 Quit dsa ("If You Can't Be Famous, Be Infamous...") 00.28.32 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 00.28.53 Quit sitwon ("Leaving") 00.29.08 Quit Redbreva ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.31.24 Quit Guest14794 () 00.32.03 # thanks, i'll give it a look. 00.33.13 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 00.40.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host111-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.42.24 Join MichaelDA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.47.11 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 00.50.05 Quit karashata (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.50.36 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.51.28 Join lassesdatamaskin [0] (n=sindre@165.80-202-81.nextgentel.com) 00.55.56 Quit matsl ("Riece/3.1.2 XEmacs/21.5-b28 (fuki, linux)") 00.56.15 Quit ender` (" If I had only finished this sentence,") 00.58.26 Join AnselPol [0] (n=ownage@host86-146-94-189.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) 00.58.29 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.43 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 00.59.15 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.207.167) 00.59.58 Quit AnselPol (Client Quit) 01.01.57 Join MikeA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.04.07 Part MikeA 01.05.11 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-245-234.dsl.telepac.pt) 01.14.31 Quit bertrik ("bye") 01.17.09 Join saratoga3 [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-67c311f303cf26e0) 01.26.00 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 01.27.45 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.24 Part MikeDK ("Leaving") 01.29.39 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.39.46 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 01.46.49 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.39 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.41 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.56.54 Quit vmx_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.59.27 Join TheBiggerGuy [0] (n=chatzill@client-81-107-196-235.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) 01.59.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.00.39 # does anyone know if the Iaudio X5 reset switch is a push-to-make or a push-to-break switch, mine just fell off 02.02.42 Join vmx_ [0] (n=vmx@dslb-084-056-016-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.06.03 # TheBiggerGuy: you don't need the reset button under rockbox 02.08.42 # my x5 wont turn on thow so i thought the reset might be a push-to-break switch on the power circuit 02.08.43 # any thoughts 02.10.22 Join MikeyDA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.11.10 Quit MikeyDA (Client Quit) 02.11.11 # 16 hours runtime on my iPod 5th gen. 02.11.17 # 78% of apple firmware 02.11.21 Join MikeyDA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.11.34 Part MikeyDA 02.12.23 # TheBiggerGuy: ah ok :(, maybe check wiki but don't know if you will find 02.12.48 # Soap: how much do you win in proportion? 02.12.53 # compared with 51% of apple runtime 15 months ago. 02.13.33 # * moos is surprised to see comparaisons, appel fw oriented ;) 02.14.25 # 50% 15 months ago, 55% after COP and 64MB buffer, 66% after HDD poweroff, 78% after USB poweroff. 02.14.59 # Soap: Tried this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379 02.15.30 # Soap: and compared to svn how much you win? 02.15.51 # that was 12% for Bushel 02.16.11 # Ah 02.16.19 # that's the one I used for this latest test, I did NOT have the hold switch on, thus no Clickwheel poweroff. 02.16.33 # The second one or the first one? 02.16.42 # 78/66 = 18% gain 02.16.44 # second one. 02.16.55 # I'm curious what we're supposed to gain from a higher base clock speed. 02.17.10 # Doesn't that mean more power is wasted when we don't need boosting? 02.17.14 # Soap: indeed nice 02.17.18 # he was hoping to keeep MPC from boosting. 02.17.42 Quit MichaelDA (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.46 Join MichaelDA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.18.03 # IIUC he was seeing if 0% boost @ 45 was better than X% boost @ 35. 02.18.48 # p.s. while iv got the lid of the X5L version do you want any pics 02.19.11 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 02.19.36 # well, let's remove my previous rounding from my answer - 16h/13.75h = 16% gain. 02.20.08 # I don't like the idea of boosting the idea of boosting the CPU for specific codecs. 02.20.32 # Llorean, do you care to rephrase that? I am confused. 02.20.39 # Sorry, boosting the _base_ cpu 02.21.36 # moos: Lookin at the pcb it looks like 1 side to the reset is on ground, do u think if i short it, it will be ok? 02.21.39 # i also dislike the idea of boosting the base CPU 02.22.25 # though i'd be very interested in seeing the difference in current draw between keeping the CPU at 45MHz and boosting from 30/80 02.22.31 # I could understand picking a baseline for what the "base" CPU should be, for example "Decoding MP3 @ CBR 128kbps" or something, but the baseline should either be chosen based on "what's good for the CPU", "what's good for the UI" or "what's good for the single most common codec" (imho) 02.22.49 # or maybe letting each codec request what base CPU should be used 02.23.04 # though honestly i think the difference is small 02.23.20 # buschel mentioned earlier that his earlier assumption was wrong, and that amiconn was right that power consumption had a linear correlation to clock speed, thus boosting shouldn't be costly - and lord knows it is simple. 02.23.41 # yes thats what i expected since theres no change in voltage 02.23.50 # The BiggerGuy: I never opened my X5 yet :), try what do you feel at your risk, maybe you could ask LinusN when he will back(maybe next week). He made the iaudio X5 port... 02.24.02 # Soap: My understanding is that boosting has a linear correlation to clock speed, *except* that it may be possible to run some processors at a lower voltage and gain some savings (iirc), but we don't do that. 02.24.08 # lower voltage when slow 02.24.15 # ooohhh 02.24.48 # that's a cool can of worms. 02.25.35 # *someone* told me that, I think it may even have been amiconn. 02.26.01 # I may have misunderstood or misrepresented what he said. Lord knows plenty of other things fly past me. :) 02.26.26 # will the bootloader display anything if the harddrive is disconected (X5)? 02.26.33 Part rayj ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 02.26.57 # Probably 02.27.53 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.30.41 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 02.34.53 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c58-109-97-210.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.35.06 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp38-229.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.35.33 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.54 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.38.36 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 02.38.38 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 02.39.55 # Who was it that was playing around with flashing over JTAG? 02.40.07 # on which target? 02.40.15 # Gigabeat F/X IIRC 02.41.15 # dunno 02.41.40 # kkurbjun was, no? 02.41.49 # That's right... 02.42.35 # I've got a gigabeat S lying around, thought I'd give getting it back up and running a shot 02.43.11 # good luck then ;P 02.43.14 # But I don't have the faintest idea how to go about it 02.51.39 # woo 02.51.40 # ! 02.51.42 # viewports 02.54.08 # JdGordon: Someone needs to start adapting it to other LCDs, wink wink, nudge nudge. 02.54.28 # finnaly, something interesting to do.. 02.57.32 # go go go ! :) 02.58.11 # food first though 03.04.05 Join JamPS [0] (n=jamps@terttuselja.telemail.fi) 03.04.51 # Hi, how can I limit the maximum volume? 03.05.03 # Don't turn it up. 03.08.08 Join markys [0] (n=thunders@modemcable189.170-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 03.08.33 # You could make use of the equalizer precut to digitally lower the overall volume, thus effectively capping the maximum volume. 03.10.38 # Would that eat CPU though? 03.10.43 # There are also the option to use replaygain together with the raplaygain pre-amp option 03.11.04 # i think precut is pretty much free, at least it should be 03.11.07 # aliask: The precut should just be one multiply per sample, iiuc. 03.11.54 # Sounds like a good solution then... 03.12.18 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 03.12.37 Part markys 03.12.53 # It ought to work, I think the precut goes to -24 03.13.09 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp188.hk.centurytel.net) 03.13.41 # Can we now seek in mpegplayer? 03.14.16 # psycho_maniac: No. 03.14.35 # That's why it says "Actual UI for seeking will be added soon" 03.14.48 # no? then i must of got the new svn comment confused. ahhh thats kinda what i figured. 03.15.27 # Thanks for clearing that up 03.21.17 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.25.33 # anyone know the iaudio x5 circuitry 03.26.55 # or the 3rd generation ipod 03.29.10 Quit homielowe ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 03.36.43 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 03.37.28 Quit TheBiggerGuy ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 03.38.19 # * Soap hasn't launched mpegplayer for years it seems like. 03.38.42 # Soap: That would be because it hasn't been around for years... 03.38.56 # (I think I used the wrong words there.) 03.42.53 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1782E.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.44.29 Quit Soap () 03.44.59 Join ptw419 [0] (n=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 03.46.54 Join Soap [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 03.56.36 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 03.57.17 Quit MichaelDA (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.57.22 Join MichaelDA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.59.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.00.51 Join soap [0] (n=soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.01.24 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.12 Quit soap () 04.22.20 Join soap [0] (n=soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.22.50 Join mudshark [0] (n=dvgb@197.212.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) 04.23.19 Join countrymonkeyweb [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3e35298e9f74e787) 04.24.01 # hi all. 04.24.06 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 04.27.33 Join billenium123 [0] (n=bill@64.80.92.6) 04.28.28 # something weird happened: a good portion of my songs will not play and my ipod cant find the videos i put on my ipod (converted with Winff) 04.29.26 # "My ipod can't find"? 04.29.31 # You mean "I can't find?" 04.29.37 # i guess 04.29.39 # Any file on your iPod can be seen in the file browser. 04.29.54 # well i checked twice... and it wasnt there 04.29.56 # Try setting the file view mode to "all" 04.30.02 # how? 04.30.08 # Try reading the manual... 04.30.18 # er okay 04.30.41 # if you have the pdf version you can easily search the whole thing 04.32.09 # er i found it 04.32.13 # but it doesnt tell me how to change it 04.32.56 # quick menu? 04.33.02 # oh wait 04.33.03 # doi 04.33.04 # thanks 04.33.13 # im being stupid 04.33.23 # thanks 04.36.58 # no problem 04.51.36 # What do you all think about auto-translation of the rb manual? 04.52.39 # It's likely to produce greater confusion. 04.52.56 # Very specific instructions don't tend to auto-translate well. 04.54.09 # auto-translation of the faq? I just don't think it is right that non-english people cannot get help for rb. 04.54.45 # Non-English people aren't lining up and volunteering to keep everything fully updated in parallel with the English versions. 04.55.52 # still, nextup uses auto-translation on manuals... 04.56.13 # So, because someone else has bad practices, we should? 04.56.38 # Can nextup cause a piece of hardware to be completely unusable if people ignore or misunderstand the instructions? 04.57.04 # some words arent translated right when you use auto translation. we went over this before with you. 04.57.14 # psycho_maniac: Not to mention grammar 04.57.23 # A sentence can come out of auto-translation with a different meaning than it went in with 04.57.37 # I figured since the manual didn't have as many tech terms. 04.58.09 # we went over this with you before with the language files 04.58.34 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.58.34 # right 04.58.37 # The manual is going to have at least as many technical terms as the language file because it has descriptions of most of the menus AND installation instructions 04.58.57 # and you got pretty much the same answer. 04.59.15 # got it. And same holds true with the faq. 04.59.23 Quit mudshark ("Leaving") 05.00.02 # im pretty sure auto translation is a big no no for anything relating to rockbox. i couldnt see any community wanting to use it unless there lazy and dont care about there users. 05.00.21 # OK. That ain't rb! Go rockbox! 05.00.31 # im pretty sure this community is NOT lazy and DOES care about there users. 05.01.19 # Can anyone with knowledge of power management take a look at my patch for recognition of Firewire power on some ipods? 05.01.38 # 'cause otherwise it's going in flyspray to sit 05.02.03 # hcs: I think you may want amiconn? 05.02.24 # Llorean: yeah, but I couldn't get an answer from amiconn 05.02.39 # he pointed me in the right direction but didn't look at the patch 05.02.52 Join digerati1338 [0] (n=mike@70-59-35-159.hlrn.qwest.net) 05.02.54 # Aaah 05.03.53 # would you be ablet o use the wall charger to test it? 05.04.07 # psycho_maniac: yeah, it works for me 05.04.36 # you have flyspray number? 05.04.52 # I'll put it in now, just had it on pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/837304) 05.05.18 # save it as filename.diff? 05.05.28 # mhmm 05.06.45 # how long you gonna be around? 05.07.32 # Knowing him, probably an hour or 2. 05.07.34 # :P 05.07.43 # ok thats probably good. 05.07.59 # FS#8387 05.08.30 # I think it's fine, but I'm nervous with the core. 05.09.41 Quit digerati1338 (Remote closed the connection) 05.09.54 # and i CAN use my wall charger with this? just double checking 05.10.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.10.25 # If you want your iPod to explode, then yes. :P 05.10.26 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4863.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.10.35 # (Note: Not serious) 05.11.00 # psycho_maniac: what wall charger? 05.11.08 # I have the original wall charger from apple with the big block then it has a hole for a firewire cable 05.11.30 # psycho_maniac: yeah, then that should work, I think. what ipod? 05.11.39 # ipod 5.5g video 05.11.54 # oh, no, this is for 4G and mini 05.12.06 # dangit 05.12.29 # then i cannot help you :S 05.13.17 # I can help. I have a 4g. Be darned that I gave my mini to my brother. 05.14.20 # psycho_maniac: it doesn't already work for 5.5 video? 05.14.26 # * psycho_maniac closes my vmware sorry hcs 05.14.52 # 5.5 has no firewire 05.15.05 # yes thats hhow i ALWAYS charger it 05.15.35 # with that wall charger. 5.5 does not support firewire transfer but you can charge with firewire 05.16.21 # well, yes, and I'm just making the older models recognize the firewire charging now 05.35.52 Quit billenium123 () 05.36.04 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3C4A9.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.36.18 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 05.41.09 Quit MichaelDA (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.57.56 Quit GWillakers ("Leaving") 05.59.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.03.46 Quit psycho_maniac (" DON'T PANIC!") 06.07.20 # You could say they already do. 06.16.43 Quit saratoga3 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.29.43 Quit toffe82 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 06.33.26 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 06.47.52 Join jmalone [0] (n=BOFHIRC@58.175.82.141) 06.49.19 Quit jmalone (Client Quit) 06.51.20 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 06.51.20 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 06.51.49 Join scorche [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.56.03 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.59.27 Join Kupopop [0] (n=huhu@adsl-70-135-165-206.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) 07.06.59 Join |NSA| [0] (n=pwned@c-24-128-104-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 07.07.28 # <|NSA|> woot, does rockbox finally have mpeg seeking? or is it just the backend code thats been commited but it doesnt work? 07.08.06 # Backend code, that works, but is only used when selecting a start time, or resuming, so far 07.08.39 # <|NSA|> didnt that exist already? 07.08.51 # Yes, but it was implemented poorly and slowly 07.08.56 # Now it's much faster, and much more accurate. 07.09.12 # It's fast enough to be used for real seeking, which just needs a UI now 07.10.34 # <|NSA|> :) 07.16.09 Join webguest63 [0] (n=46645601@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d3261afd53023cab) 07.16.15 # hey 07.16.34 # does rockbox play wmv? 07.16.51 # is anyone actually here? 07.17.05 Quit webguest63 (Client Quit) 07.17.19 # <|NSA|> does anyone wait more than 2 minutes? 07.17.31 # <|NSA|> or 40 seconds? 07.18.35 # Wow... 07.19.06 Quit |NSA| (Client Quit) 07.26.01 Quit ruskie (Connection timed out) 07.26.43 Quit bgo ("leaving") 07.39.32 Join Kupop [0] (n=huhu@adsl-70-135-165-206.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) 07.40.01 Quit Kupopop (" ") 07.51.21 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2007122705]") 07.59.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.01.30 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 08.08.03 # what needs to be defined to enable DEBUGF output? 08.10.58 # from what I can see, it's only enabled in the simulator bulid 08.11.15 # ah no, my bad 08.11.20 # DEBUG needs to be defined 08.11.51 # It's an option under Advanced builds, I think 08.12.33 # ok, ty 08.12.34 # DEBUG works for the simulator and on archos (except Ondios) 08.13.02 # On target you'll need a gdb stub and some suitable communication method 08.13.31 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 08.15.45 Quit xushi (Client Quit) 08.16.00 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 08.18.16 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15569.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.19.59 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.20.59 Quit ol_schoola (Client Quit) 08.21.38 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.29.05 # back from the store with a c240 :-) installed the rockbox firmware and fonts, about to run sansapatcher. is it amd64 safe? the new versions of sansapatcher don't have amd64 binaries for d/l. is that b/c it broke or someone got tired of doing it? source seems to compile fine. just some seemingly innocent type warnings... 08.33.45 # bardia: c240 AMD64 safe? 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Sorry. 08.34.59 # Still though, I don't know why it wouldn't be. 08.37.02 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.38.40 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15569.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.40.08 # just nervous that only v0.2 had the precompiled binary. it ran fine. :-) 08.44.20 Quit BlackChaos ("Leaving") 09.23.57 Quit Mouser_X ("Java user signed off") 09.28.36 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 09.29.32 Join d34df00d [0] (n=d34df00d@80.251.122.132) 09.37.15 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 09.37.23 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.40 Quit eigma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.54.24 Quit ptw419 (Remote closed the connection) 09.56.02 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.57.59 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-131-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.59.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.05.26 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.05.49 Quit davina ("xchat on Ubuntu 7.04") 10.08.09 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.12.21 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 10.17.26 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.19.24 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.21.10 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 10.23.02 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.25.22 Join j0tt [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 10.27.07 Join davina_ [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.27.15 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.27.44 Quit davina_ (Client Quit) 10.33.48 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.37.45 Quit jott (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.41.41 Quit d34df00d ("Konversation terminated!") 10.42.06 Join d34df00d [0] (n=d34df00d@80.251.122.132) 10.42.34 Part d34df00d ("Konversation terminated!") 11.12.37 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@145-020-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 11.13.46 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-213-181.dsl.scarlet.be) 11.16.37 # Llorean & Badger .. you guys told me yesterday that with rockbox the sansa c200 can use sdhc when using rockbox ... i have a question tough .. seen as how i use the original sansa firmware to connect to the pc .. it won't recognise sdhc there will it ? 11.17.11 # do i need a sdhc card reader ? 11.18.31 # Yes 11.18.45 # Or you can copy the files to the c200, then in Rockbox move them to the card 11.18.58 Join yapper [0] (n=18ec7c6f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8d292c0d12f5bd49) 11.19.26 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 11.20.14 Join GodEater [0] (n=vircuser@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 11.20.45 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 11.21.32 Quit yapper (Client Quit) 11.26.40 # FUCK! 11.26.47 # actions need to be reverted 11.27.05 # actually... maybe not 11.28.51 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 11.29.35 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@84.Red-217-125-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 11.29.46 # JdGordon: ?? 11.30.03 # hey 11.30.10 # nice work :) 11.30.21 # im writing up a reply to the tracker 11.31.08 # You're talking about viewports? 11.31.13 # yep 11.31.25 # You have comments on my patch? 11.31.34 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.31.49 # nothing major 11.31.55 # oooh - there's an actual patch now? 11.31.57 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.242.168) 11.31.59 # I've missed too much! 11.32.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385 11.32.04 # nice 11.32.17 # is having 2 viewport structs really needed? a seperate one for remote is nto going to play nice 11.32.20 # imho 11.32.31 # I know - I've been thinking about that... 11.32.50 # I'm going to do a remote driver next, so I can work out how to do it. 11.33.06 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 11.33.16 # The downside of course is unused items (fg/bg patterns) for mono remotes. 11.33.30 # ill pastebin my comment... 11.33.57 # http://rafb.net/p/9KwDic97.html <- /me too lazy to retype it 11.34.47 # I dont have a problem with unused items if it makes apps easier to handle 11.35.15 # I think I agree - I've been torn between the two options. 11.36.22 # I'm gonna put my opinion alongside JdGordon's on this one. 11.37.07 # its only the h300/x5 with that problem anyway 11.38.11 # the rest of my comment was "nice work" followed by a brain dump on implementing fun stuff in apps like having wps and menu int he same screen 11.38.31 # Don't worry, I agree - I had pretty much decided to go that way anyway. 11.39.36 # that will be an interesting read. As I recall LinusN was against having a menu showing while the WPS was up since the player wouldn't know which context to send button presses to. 11.39.43 # the M5 uses the sam iaudio remote so it can have two displays with the same colour depth... (if that's something to consider too, otherwise ignore ;) ) 11.40.14 # pixelma: yeah, but the m5 is not 16bit like the other two.. so it wont have the extra vars 11.40.31 # Greyscale targets have fg/bg_pattern 11.40.42 # oh? ah! hmm 11.40.52 # And the iaudio remote is greyscale IIRC 11.40.59 # GodEater: yeah, the button thing is a problem - hence my outburst before... 11.41.29 # The only mono remotes are for the h100/h300 and m:robe. 11.41.34 # GodEater, JdGordon: I think it's pretty simple. If the WPS is primary, don't show the menu at all. If the menu is visible, keypresses always go to it. But that's how I'd do it for myself 11.42.14 # but even with viewports, its not that simple to setup a screen with both the wps and the menu 11.42.24 # My thoughts (in my viewports design doc) were to have the status bar drawn by the wps code - so the status bar in effect becomes a mini wps which can be drawn in multiple viewports. 11.42.31 # I meant "simple" in the sense of "what takes precedence", not implementation. ;) 11.42.57 # And the menu will be drawn in another user-defined viewport (or group of viewports). 11.43.37 # is the idea still to be able to turn viewports on/off at will ? 11.44.06 # what I was thinking is building a window manager into apps which would keep track of which "screens" (including button bar and status bar) to display, a function for each one to call for it to draw in its viewport, and a action/logic function to call.. it would then pass the desired action on 11.44.21 # but that would need a bit of a rewrite to work properly 11.45.54 # The phrase "window manager" is a little scary. ;) 11.45.55 # what we could then do is add some tags to the wps to specify where to display the browser/menu from "inside" the wps, or globally, or whatever.. 11.46.18 # Llorean: ill use a better phrase if you can think of one 11.47.03 # * GodEater wonders why the patch changes chopper.c 11.48.53 # JdGordon: That's what I like. A WPS conditional for "Menu", basically 11.49.37 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 11.49.54 # GodEater: Well spotted - there was a bug in my code which showed up in chopper, so I was modifying it to debug it. I'll revert that file... 11.50.33 # linuxstb: so the screen api isnt changing except you set the viewport before and after finishing drawing? 11.51.17 # JdGordon: I haven't thought about the screens api yet - I've just been implementing the core LCD functions and the WPS changes. 11.52.58 # GodEater: What do you mean by turning viewports on/off at will? 11.53.46 Quit eigma (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.54.15 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 11.54.47 # I don't mean turning them off, I mean being able to display / not display 11.55.10 # ... ? 11.55.16 # I think JdGordon / Llorean already covered it more eloquently 11.55.23 # menu on wps thing? 11.55.26 # yes 11.55.54 # I imagine that will come.. porbably not for a while though 11.56.05 # indeed not. 11.56.15 # * GodEater wasn't expecting it in the initial implementation :) 11.56.23 # * linuxstb still likes his status-bar-as-wps idea - reusing the existing wps code to display the status bar, including any existing wps elements. 11.56.38 # So the idea with menu+wps is that you would be able to define a 'menu wps' containing that status info and a viewport for where the menu goes? 11.56.40 # linuxstb: and in the other screens? 11.56.40 # yep - I think that's good too 11.56.51 # I like it too 11.57.09 # stripwax: no, i was thinking a tag which would say where in the wps the menu would be shown when it is activated 11.57.36 # Oh - so that status bar in the main WPS and the status bar in the menu system would be one-and-the-same? (no possibility to change it?) 11.57.51 # linuxstb: nice work... im going to bed... would it be more helpful to start playing with the drawing of a screen? or converting one of the other lcd drivers? 11.58.24 # * stripwax thought it would be a different .wps definition for menu pages 11.58.43 # * JdGordon doesnt like that idea, but is pretty sure that will happen also 11.59.12 # as for the statusbar, I agree it could be wps-ified using the existing parser.. but shouldnt be considered part of the wps 11.59.20 # I thought we were still resisting custom menus 11.59.28 # because of the associated support nightmare 11.59.41 # yes, content and looks are not the same 12.00.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.00.02 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.00.12 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15569.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.01.03 # JdGordon - actually that's exactly what I meant -- the statusbar is defined separately from the main wps 12.01.07 # Each viewport defined in the .wps would have an attribute - wps only, status bar only or "both". When the wps_refresh function is called, it will only render the appropriate viewports. The menu viewport(s) will be defined separately, and rendered into those. 12.02.06 # yeah, I dont relly like the idea of having the statusbar and wps linked, even from just the .wps POV 12.02.09 # although if there's only one definition then it can't be changed per screen, of course 12.02.37 # I don't think that's too high a price to pay 12.06.10 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-3299e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 12.06.43 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 12.07.55 # linuxstb: ... apps/? firmware/? stay the hell away? 12.08.11 # What do you mean? 12.08.22 # where would I be more helpful? 12.08.49 # I guess the apps/ code - updating the GUI widgets like the list widget to use viewports. 12.09.15 # k 12.09.26 # Are you planning on working on it now, or are you about to sleep? 12.09.40 # well.. its 3am... so sleep 12.09.53 # * JdGordon once again complains about this timezone :p 12.10.15 # Perfect - that gives me my day to work on finalising the firmware/ code and hopefully implementing a few more drivers, including at least one of the remotes. 12.10.49 # :) I dont know how much time ill have sunday to play, but monday and tuesday probably heaps 12.11.28 # That's fine - the apps/ code works fine as it is, so there's no rush to implement viewports there. 12.11.35 # OH... one thing I wanted to ask... does all scrolling lines on the screen have to be goingin in the same direction? 12.12.18 # or are they all the same in the test plugin because the scroll engin cant actually scroll right yet? 12.12.22 # two lines could be bidirectionally scrolling at different rates? 12.12.26 # No, that's an attribute of the individual line. 12.12.41 # The speed is global IIUC though. 12.12.50 # ok, thats cool 12.13.14 Quit tedrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.13.42 # and the number of lines scrolling is global? 12.13.49 # its not X per vp? 12.13.50 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-27.home1.cgocable.net) 12.14.17 # Yes, the limit is still global - there's a single list of lines for the display, not per-viewport. 12.14.31 # 3am? are you in california JdGorden? :) 12.14.51 # seattle 12.14.57 # It's possible the scrolling code can be changed/improved further - this is just my first attempt. 12.15.03 # ah..nice 12.15.25 # linuxstb: good enough for now.. probably for a long while also 12.16.13 # * linuxstb is used to JdGordon being a day ahead, not a day behind... 12.16.29 # haha yeah, its a bit odd 12.16.39 # * JdGordon misses all the rockbox chatter 12.16.55 # * JdGordon ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 12.17.02 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 12.17.59 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 12.23.04 Join tedr0ck [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-27.home1.cgocable.net) 12.23.20 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host111-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.24.19 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.25.10 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@87.203.162.61) 12.31.32 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 12.31.52 Quit tedrock (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.32.29 # hi. can anyone please close patch #8264? this is not valid anymore due to re-work of mpegplayer. 12.33.09 # Sure. 12.33.30 # thanks 12.43.21 Quit GodEater ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 12.43.39 # Buschel - from my battery bench on 5g 60GB it seems I get 13hrs. Was hoping for more? 12.45.39 # stripwax: what did you get before? 12.48.11 # about the same .. 12.5hrs iirc 12.48.27 # strange... what kind of audio format? 12.49.01 # exclusively vorbis 12.49.14 # how much cpu uses vorbis? 12.49.29 # and between q4-q5 so ~128kbps. I think it's lower boost that mp3 12.49.41 # than 12.49.58 # 20% boost ratio? I forget 12.54.17 # hmm, strange... soap got about 16h with his 5G 12.55.38 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 13.01.57 # odd indeed. maybe I built a 32MB build by mistake? 13.02.03 # * stripwax checks 13.02.51 # ooops, I've made a mistake in my cleanup of the patch... gotta update it asap :/ 13.03.12 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549678C3.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.03.16 # Hm. After 13:03:59 my battery bench log stops but it also reports 42% battery level.. is that right? 13.04.11 # hmm, that doesn't sound reasonable at all :/ 13.04.48 Quit ol_schoola () 13.05.52 # The last line reads: 13:03:59: 42% level, 6:00 hrs remaining, 3800mv, and oddly just 1 M/DA . Perhaps there's another 100 measurements that just failed to get saved out? 13.06.00 # this would lead to 13/0.58 = 22h estimated runtime. too long. also this means the writing of the log wasn't triggered... 13.06.23 # how large is your folder (in MB)? 13.06.26 # 128MB 13.06.33 # plus or minus a bit 13.06.49 # Buschel: batteries dont discharge linearly... 13.06.49 # Have to head out but will be back later on.. 13.07.20 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.08.05 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.08.29 # scorche: no, but you get a rough estimation. the discharge curve (in %) gets really non-linear below 15%. 13.12.43 Quit xushi () 13.13.50 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@p5B044B99.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.19.02 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 13.20.15 Nick BigBambi_ is now known as BigBambi_cruel (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 13.20.16 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 13.20.20 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.20.32 Nick BigBambi_cruel is now known as BigBambi (n=Alex@5ac36ac4.bb.sky.com) 13.20.58 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.25.56 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A558D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.32.01 Quit UncleRemus ("leaving") 13.36.18 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 13.36.21 Quit JamPS (Remote closed the connection) 13.38.25 Join Retro` [0] (n=Retro@dsl201-251.lj1.volja.net) 13.39.43 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.41.09 # hello 13.41.14 # anyone here? 13.41.21 # i need urgent help 13.41.48 # i am an owner of SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player 13.41.53 # i have bricked it 13.42.32 # i have Ubuntu 7.10 (Linux OS that is) installed 13.42.42 # i had my device connected 13.43.10 # then i opened gparted (the partition editor for the GNOME desktop environment) 13.43.56 Join ein1 [0] (n=Alex@shell1.neessen.net) 13.44.03 # Retro`: Please don't use the enter key for punctuation 13.44.09 # then i removed my player's partitions 13.44.21 # and from then on my player is bricked 13.44.24 # Retro`: First question - why? 13.44.51 Join GodEater [0] (n=vircuser@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 13.45.29 # i had no idea i just need to copy a blank text file sansa.fmt into the root folder of my player to format it 13.45.50 # please help me 13.46.30 # please give me a direct link to sansa e260 rom file 13.46.31 # I'm afraid I don't own a Sansa, so am not much help. Could you see both partitions from gparted? 13.47.00 # BigBambi, i could see it, but now they are gone 13.47.23 # i was able to see them i ment to say 13.47.27 # OK 13.48.04 # how can i restore my bootloader and firmware? 13.48.09 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.48.15 # please assist me on this 13.48.24 # brb. lunch 13.48.50 # BigBambi, please temm me what to do... i'll read that when i come back... please 13.48.57 # *tell 13.49.08 # I'm not the ideal person, as I say I don't own a Sansa 13.49.23 # I'm sure someone else will come along and try to help when they see it 13.49.39 # I'm not sure having just the rom file would help if you've blown away the partition table 13.49.51 # but Bagder keeps some files for the sansa here : http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 13.54.14 # also : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 13.54.20 Join DerPapst [0] (n=54bd2e07@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-6068372899386273) 13.54.34 # maybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick is from help? 13.54.51 # thanks guys 13.54.55 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.55.13 # let me tell you what i do so far about unbricking my device 13.55.33 # I still think blowing away the partition table has probably completely stuffed up recovery mode though 13.55.50 # i have followed this instructions http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 13.55.59 # Yeah, I think you will need to fix that before anything 13.56.19 # i can boot into recovery mode 13.56.23 # with the e200tool 13.56.36 # i've never bricked my e200r so far so can't help much either 13.56.37 # following the http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 instructions 13.56.41 Join UncleRemus [0] (n=caj@81-234-174-183-no95.tbcn.telia.com) 13.57.00 # my player is not from the e200r series 13.57.08 # my player is from the e200 series 13.57.11 # shame 13.57.20 # then you wouldn't have been ABLE to delete the partition table 13.57.23 # e260 to be exact 13.57.34 # but i was 13.57.39 # even the hidden partition 13.57.44 # using gparted 13.57.50 # Retro`: Not if you had an E260r you wouldn't 13.58.06 # yeah.. you mentined that. however i can't help you. sorry. 13.58.20 # *mentioned 13.58.34 # * BigBambi is still wondering why you deleted them 13.58.34 # is there anyone who can? 13.58.44 # BigBambi, because i'm a moron 13.58.46 # :) 13.58.48 # heh 13.58.50 # heh :) 13.59.08 # is there any way to restore those partitions? 13.59.18 # only by recreating them 13.59.18 # if you wait i guess some one with more knowledge about your problem may show up. 13.59.30 # but you'd have to make sure there exactly the same as they were before 13.59.34 # or the device will likely not work 13.59.34 # GodEater, please instruct me how to recreate them 13.59.38 # I've no idea 13.59.38 # Retro`: This channel is logged, so hopefully someone who can help will read the logs and turn up later, just keep checking back 13.59.48 # I don't own a sansa 13.59.53 # shame :/ 13.59.54 # so I've no idea what the sizes should be 13.59.58 # You would need to know exactly what they were like 14.00.02 # can you connect it to your PC stiff? 14.00.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.00.09 # And where they started etc. 14.00.18 # i can connect it to my pc 14.00.24 # but nothing happens 14.00.35 # DerPapst: Does it matter if it is stiff? :) 14.00.47 # the using the instructions on http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 i am able to enter the recovery mode 14.00.57 # yeah ok... i meant can ou access the flash with fdisk or so... 14.01.19 # fdisk? how to do that actually? 14.01.59 # fdisk /dev/sdX where sdX is where your e260 is. 14.02.04 # gparted would work just as well 14.02.10 # oh that 14.02.13 # if you're not familiar with fdisk 14.02.17 # well, i can't 14.02.20 # * DerPapst is more used to fdisk :-) 14.02.25 Quit UncleRemus ("leaving") 14.02.29 # i need e200tool to mount the flash 14.02.47 # then /media/disk-1 is mounted 14.03.02 # it's 15.3 MB in size 14.03.17 # this is where the bootloader resides and the firmware 14.03.47 # then copy a .mi4 file there as you're supposed to 14.03.51 # So the partition is there? 14.04.02 # yes 14.04.13 # when the /media/disk-1 is mounted 14.04.25 # but only one partition 14.04.35 # I thought you said you had deleted the partition table? 14.04.38 # * BigBambi is confused 14.04.46 # the 4 GB partition (where music should be) is not present 14.04.47 # Ah OK 14.05.12 # Retro`: which tool did you use to delete the partition? 14.05.20 # the e200tool just helps me to mount the 16 MB of the flash 14.05.22 # markun: gparted 14.05.31 # markun, i did that with gparted 14.05.35 # yeah 14.05.52 # and can't you just create a partition again? 14.05.57 # i can't 14.06.02 # that's the rub 14.06.05 # why not? 14.06.11 # i am not able to 14.06.26 # or don't know how 14.06.29 # he can't because (aiui), e200tool isn't exposing the flash memory directly 14.06.31 # please tell me if you know 14.06.47 # he needs to recover the boot rom 14.06.55 # yeah 14.07.01 # well do it then 14.07.04 Quit lassesdatamaskin (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.07.09 # the page you've linked us to tells you how 14.07.13 # yeah 14.07.16 # i know 14.07.17 # but 14.07.27 # hmm, strange... soap got about 16h with his 5G ???? 14.07.35 # Retro`: I think you can put a file named "format.txt" on the 16mb partition, and it'll reformat your player with the correct partitions. 14.07.40 # or format.sys, or something 14.07.45 # Search around for it.. 14.08.12 # format.txt is the right name I believe 14.08.22 # won't that work? 14.08.23 # but that only works with a previously working sansa 14.08.25 # as i googled, it was sansa.fmt 14.08.32 # lunch :-) 14.08.34 # but no... didn't work guys 14.08.47 # odd 14.08.58 # yeah 14.09.04 # Retro`: why haven't you done the rest of the procedure on that page then ? 14.09.12 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.09.18 # GodEater, i have 14.09.19 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 14.09.20 # it seems to me you're just wasting time here - when you already have the instructions you need 14.09.52 # soap: wasn't this your result? 14.10.36 # please let me type in here what error i get when i want to restart the player 14.10.53 # after the .mi4 and .rom files are in the flash drive 14.11.53 # Buschel, it was - isn't that right in line with what you got? 14.12.30 # (I'll fill in the wiki today - need to dig out my password) 14.12.39 # yes, similar. i've got +12% you've got +16%... but you tested without hold. hopefully this doesn't make the difference 14.13.19 # it's interesting that the .rom file is for e250 14.13.26 # i, however, have e260 14.13.41 # can you please find .rom file that is for e260? 14.13.51 # i am googling 3 hours now and no luck 14.13.55 # please assist me 14.15.26 # did you see your player die, Buschel? Or are you simply going off the Batery Bench? 14.16.06 # i did see it die right withe the last HDD-access 14.16.13 # *wth 14.16.19 # ahem, *with* 14.16.43 # I ask because only about 50% of the time do I ------ahh just making sure - only about 50% of the time does battey bench seem to record the last records properly on my HDD players. 14.17.44 # maybe stripwax has the same issue? maybe connected to number of lines recorded? 14.17.50 # Retro`: You *still* haven't told us what happens when you try with the .rom file from that page 14.17.59 # oh 14.18.02 # sorry 14.18.17 # i am in recovery mode now 14.18.18 # using your battery bench as an example - the last disk write wrote 24 minutes. 14.18.59 # 22 14.19.05 # yep, the folder i use needs hdd access each ~20 mins 14.19.47 # Retro`: yes - you keep saying this. What happens when you copy the two files over as the page instructs you to ? 14.20.08 # i am now in the recovery mode and the /media/disk-1 just mounted 14.20.24 # now i will transfer those files in and disconnect the player 14.20.36 # make sure you unmount it properly first 14.20.40 # then the bootloader would print out some error 14.20.51 # let me see here... 14.21.28 # omg 14.21.55 # the mi4 file on that site i follow instructions, is an american player file 14.22.06 # i have an european player 14.22.09 # so download one of the ones from daniel's site 14.22.12 # which I linked to earlier 14.22.30 # ok 14.22.38 # found your link up there ;) 14.23.04 # the e200 european one is the one you need 14.23.17 # it's probably best to use the bl rom in the daniels site as well 14.23.30 # not the one the instructions offer 14.23.31 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 14.23.31 # ? 14.23.39 # ideally yes 14.23.42 # ok 14.26.12 # i don't know why does the note say Sansa e250 is now safe to remove. before i bricked it, it said Sansa e260 is now safe to remove. 14.26.25 # :/ 14.26.45 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 14.27.01 # I don't believe it matters 14.30.55 # here's the error i get: Main image write failed 14.31.31 # then you're going to need to wait until a sansa owner is around 14.31.54 # what is the main image anyway? 14.32.29 # the bootloader image? 14.32.31 # no idea 14.32.39 # did you try putting a sansa.fmt file in there as well ? 14.32.46 # you could try that too 14.32.53 # to make sure the partitions get re-made correctly 14.33.17 # hmm 14.33.19 # i didn't 14.33.23 # i'll try that as well 14.33.37 # i'll report what happened 14.37.40 # GodEater, I DID IT! 14.37.45 # it totaly worked!!! 14.38.03 # it formated the device and now it's all okay 14.38.11 # thank you SO much for your tip 14.38.30 # it displayed 'Formatting...' 14.38.52 # then it loaded the bootloader successfully and also the firmware 14.39.29 # w00t :-) 14.39.33 # now it works 14.39.48 # there's no music but it works! 14.40.05 # now i'll start loading the music in the player 14.40.11 # thank you so much guys 14.40.13 # all of you 14.40.28 # bye ;) 14.43.30 # omg 14.43.34 # what? 14.43.39 # i haven't yet fixed it completely :( 14.43.59 # i get the Database refresh fail 14.44.11 # maybe it needs at least 1 file 14.44.28 # (just a wild guess) 14.44.41 # when i have the player plugged in, there's no Sansa e260 folder 14.45.09 # just the same /media/disk-1 directory 14.45.41 # i don't have the 4 GB partition to load music in 14.46.04 # there's no capacity for that so the Database refresh fails, naturally 14.46.37 # i have unbricked it 14.46.47 # but i need the 4 GB bacl as well 14.47.04 # *back 14.47.49 # gparted lists my device under /dev/sda 14.48.07 # and i only have /dev/sda1 which is 16 MB 14.48.28 # there's no /dev/sda2 that would have 4 GB 14.49.34 # i only have the /dev/sda1 partition of the device 14.49.51 # does OF load? 14.50.01 # you mean OS? 14.50.07 # original firmware 14.50.12 # yeah, it does 14.50.40 # and it's giving you such partitions? 14.50.40 # or you're still in recovery mode? 14.50.51 # i'm not in recovery mode 14.51.31 # i'm in the firmware now 14.52.59 # i have connected the device to my computer but it is mounted as /media/disk-1 14.53.20 # as /dev/sda1 that is 14.53.37 # as it should be /dev/sda2 14.54.07 # but i don't have /dev/sda2 partition 14.55.01 # my computer does not recognize the 4 GB capacity of the player and does not create a /dev/sda2 partition when i plug the device in 14.55.03 # please help 14.57.00 # I suggest you wait for someone with more knowledge than I have; I have sansa myself, but never experienced such wierd behaviour 14.57.21 Quit Axio_ () 14.57.38 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 14.57.45 Quit DerPapst ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.58.24 # hi guys 14.58.32 # is there a chrono in rockbox ? 14.59.29 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 15.00.39 # a chrono? 15.00.54 # when i don't have the player linked with the computer and i look in the Settings > Info it says Memory 0 15.00.54 # chronometer 15.01.30 # Retro`: try doing the sansa.fmt thing again, it sounds like your partitioning is still messed up 15.01.41 # yeah 15.01.43 # it is 15.01.51 # i'll try with the sansa.fmt again 15.02.03 # Retro`: alternatively, what does fdisk -l /dev/sda say? (put it on pastebin) 15.02.10 # Axio: there is a "clock" plugin if your player has the necessary hardware and there's also a stopwatch plugin 15.03.04 # pixelma, ty 15.03.38 # what player do you have? 15.04.42 Quit cnakigina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.52 # ipod nano 15.04.59 # i have SanDisk Sansa e260 15.06.43 # Axio: you should find the clock plugin in plugin > applications then 15.06.57 # *plugins 15.07.25 # yep i found it thanks 15.08.20 # rasher, here is the fdisk -l /dev/sda response: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50111/ 15.08.45 # Fascinating! 15.08.59 Quit countrymonkeyweb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.09.35 # what is fascinating? 15.09.58 # yikes 15.11.02 # blimey 15.11.47 # am i in need sh*t? 15.11.53 # need lol 15.11.57 # deep i ment 15.11.59 # :) 15.12.08 # am i in deep sh*t? 15.12.30 # Well, the partitioning is quite dodgy. Did you try doing the sansa.fmt thing again? 15.12.49 Join jnakiaihm [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 15.12.54 # I wouldn't be too worried, it should be perfectly fixable 15.13.57 # rasher, yup just did the sansa.fmt again 15.14.02 # the same thing 15.14.09 # nothing was fixed by that 15.15.55 # when i connect the player, it is not recognised by my computer 15.16.19 # the /dev/sda1 does not show up 15.16.30 Quit xushi () 15.16.55 # but if i go to the Recovery Mode, then the /dev/sda1 is shown (in gparted that is) 15.17.52 # hmmm, since i'm on Linux i must probably switch the USB Mode to MSC (it's MTP by default) 15.17.55 # let me try 15.18.33 # same thing 15.18.36 # :/ 15.19.00 # Wait, you've had it as MTP for all this time? 15.19.32 # since i unbirck it yes 15.19.49 # since i unbricked it yes 15.20.18 # now i switched to MSC but still no Memory recognision 15.20.38 # And which mode are you in? 15.20.45 # my player still claims (under Settings > Info that Memory is 0) 15.20.59 # i am in the MSC USB Mode right now 15.21.19 # Actually, that fdisk output seems "normal" 15.21.35 # seems :/ 15.22.00 # Well, mine is also "broken" according to fdisk 15.22.34 # Wait, that fdisk output is the firmware partition showing 15.22.45 # or firmware "disk" 15.22.56 # Since it's not really a partition as such, afaik 15.23.40 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 15.23.42 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@p5B044B99.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.23.48 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 15.23.48 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@p5B044B99.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.24.49 Join styleism [0] (n=sfgfadga@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 15.25.34 # maybe i need the i2c.bin file as well? 15.27.13 Join BigBambi__ [0] (n=Alex@5ac36ac4.bb.sky.com) 15.27.16 # maybe i need these files when in the recovery mode (after the manufactoring mode was done): sansa.fmt, i2c.bin, BL_SD_BOARDSUPPORTSD.ROM, PP5022.MI4 15.27.17 # ?? 15.27.21 Quit soap () 15.27.33 # and then diconnect 15.27.37 # ? 15.27.39 Join soap [0] (n=soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 15.27.53 Quit BigBambi__ (Client Quit) 15.27.55 # maybe i need the i2c.bin file as well 15.28.02 # what do you think? 15.28.18 # MTP wouldn't even register as /dev/sdX, I think 15.29.01 # i don't know 15.29.18 # Retro`: I think you should simply go into recovery mode, create sansa.fmt, disconnect and see what happens 15.29.19 # but i have the MSC USB mode now 15.29.30 # rasher, i did that 15.29.37 # rasher, i did that after you first suggested that 15.29.45 # But that fdisk dump was not showing that 15.29.59 # That was showing the recovery disk 15.30.07 # Disk /dev/sda: 16 MB, 16777728 bytes 15.31.03 # maybe i ought to try with i2c.bin file present as i disconnect from recovery mode? 15.32.06 # remember the part when i had to put some files in the recovery disk? 15.32.17 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.32.17 # well, maybe i need to put i2c.bin as well ?? 15.34.28 # please tell 15.34.38 # i don't want to brick my player even further 15.37.03 # I don't know what i2c.bin does. 15.39.41 # me neither 15.39.43 # :/ 15.39.51 # do you care to google what it does? 15.39.58 # i can't find any useful info on it 15.40.02 # please assist me 15.40.34 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 15.41.05 Quit BigBambi (No route to host) 15.44.16 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 15.46.20 Quit styleism () 15.46.54 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 15.47.27 # where can i get the original Sansa bootloader and the original Sansa Firmware? 15.47.38 # please give me the link to those 15.50.29 # eh... 15.50.31 # bye 15.50.34 Quit Retro` ("Be well!") 15.50.48 Quit BigBambi_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.52.13 Join ruskie [0] (i=ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) 15.54.14 Join Christop [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 15.59.44 Join imulator [0] (n=imulator@xdsl-87-78-207-125.netcologne.de) 15.59.51 # hello together 16.00.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.07.26 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 16.08.11 # is there a tool to create database from PC? 16.08.34 # There was 16.08.43 # I'm not usre what state it is in 16.08.49 # *sure 16.10.03 Quit Christo1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.10.04 Quit imulator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.10.15 Join imulator [0] (n=imulator@xdsl-87-78-207-125.netcologne.de) 16.10.29 # hi 16.10.45 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 16.10.49 # BigBambi: Doesn't compile 16.10.59 # There we go then :) 16.13.30 Quit imulator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.36 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 16.23.52 Join imulator [0] (n=imulator@xdsl-87-78-207-125.netcologne.de) 16.24.01 # i have a question 16.24.15 # i have a dream 16.24.19 # with wps creating and i cant find it in the manual 16.24.20 # of one day answering your question 16.24.36 # i want to make a battery symbol 16.24.45 # how can i define it? 16.25.05 # i cant understand how its made in the other wpps ;-) 16.25.31 # oh 16.25.34 # im silly 16.25.38 # i found it 16.26.19 Quit imulator (Client Quit) 16.30.58 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.31.44 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 16.33.36 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@p5B046640.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.40.06 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 16.41.50 # pictureflow plugin displays all albums only? i can't filter them by artist? 16.42.36 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0335B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.44.20 Join mrkiko [0] (n=pv@adsl-ull-136-203.42-151.net24.it) 16.45.28 # Buschel/soap - right, the previous disk access, for me, wrote about 1 hrs worth of stats to battery_bench.txt . So potentially I've lost about 1 hour of stats, which is still not correct imo (1 hour == 45% battery?) 16.46.20 Join quaal [0] (n=l@pool-96-228-165-104.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 16.47.03 # Although - maybe it is . I have a prior battery_bench and that last 45% depleted in 1hr 10 mins. So that would put my runtime at about 14hrs. Still seems low : 14 hrs with hold vs soap's 16hrs without hold? 16.47.27 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 16.47.43 # Is your battery dying? 16.47.53 # Do you get consistant runtimes when doing repeated tests? 16.48.15 Join pixelma_ [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.48.16 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-3299e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 16.48.23 # My runtimes are repeatable to within 8 minutes, which is why I report my runtimes @ 15 min resolution. 16.48.54 Join lassesdatamaskin [0] (n=sindre@165.80-202-81.nextgentel.com) 16.49.02 # soap - since I don't actually know what my real runtime is, it's kinda hard to answer that question :) 16.49.49 # soap - did you use cleared default settings or something else? wondering how dircache etc affects battery life 16.50.40 # oh yea, totally cleared defaults 16.50.41 # Btw - my two prior battery_benches (without Buschel's patch) were consistent to within a few minutes, too 16.51.25 # soap - at what time did you record 45% battery level? 16.52.28 # 9:22 16.52.53 # woah. I recorded 45% at 12:43 16.53.27 # mine appears more linear than yours 16.53.31 # I'll plot my graphs and upload them somewhere. Maybe my battery is dying after all. 16.53.44 # My previous graphs were anything but linear 16.55.29 # I'm about to ask a stupid question, but how do I see what version of Rockbox I have installed w/o booting Rockbox? 16.56.09 # Other method to answer the question would be: "How do I know what SVN revision I currently have checked out?" 16.56.16 Join Mardoxx [0] (n=lolool@adsl-77-86-1-27.karoo.KCOM.COM) 16.56.18 # rockbox-info.txt 16.56.21 # in /.rockbox 16.56.26 # ty 16.56.28 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.57.19 # svn info 16.57.37 # stripwax: 128kbps files give a marginal error of +-30minutes in battery_bench IIRC 16.57.58 # XavierGr - ta 16.58.52 # that's because the battery can be so low to play music but not spin up the disk, so the last measurements are lost 17.00.42 # How come on almost all audio players the timer is never constant... it is always inconsistent between seconds? 17.00.58 # Which timer? 17.02.07 # track timer, the one that says time remaning etc... 17.02.15 # they're never consistant 17.02.29 # it will go 1 2...34.. 5 6 7..89 17.02.32 # if you get what i mean 17.03.36 # Mardoxx: MP3 doesn't allow sample accurate seeking. I think that is the main problem. Software like Foobar2000 will brute force walk the mpeg stream just to support that. 17.03.45 Quit lassesdatamaskin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.04.08 # ahhhhh 17.04.10 # Mardoxx - do you mean, just while playing a track, or while seeking? 17.04.15 # both 17.04.47 # but i can see now why its playing that its not consistant... because if it uses the data from the track it wont be in sync with "real" seconds 17.04.54 Join lassesdatamaskin [0] (n=sindre@165.80-202-81.nextgentel.com) 17.05.28 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.06.03 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-112062a.dsl.mindspring.com) 17.06.14 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@p57B9E4C6.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.06.34 # on kubuntu how do I replace the .rockbox folder 17.06.53 # jac0b: You are using Konqueror? 17.07.02 # dolphin 17.07.11 # Right, well use konqueror 17.07.16 # View->Show Hidden Files 17.07.19 Quit pixelma_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.07.24 # I don't use dolphin 17.07.39 # Probably the same in dolphin though 17.08.01 # you know - I did use 32ohm phones this test compared to the 16 ohm phones I normally use. Is there any reason to believe this might affect runtime in a measurable manner? 17.08.12 # ls -x 17.08.12 # yeah dolphin is the default file manager for kubuntu 17.08.29 # jac0b: I know, I just don't use it 17.08.32 # or is it ls -f.... cant remember lol 17.08.36 # not konqueror ? 17.08.39 # jac0b: And it's the same in dolphin 17.08.57 # yeah I just checked dolphin its the same 17.09.00 # thanks 17.09.56 # so yeah.... how's the progress with the Zen Vision:M getting on? 17.10.03 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17.10.10 # and how the hell did you manage to get the keys for the unknown block? 17.12.29 # soap possibly. i might try a retest with headphones unplugged 17.13.00 # that is the one variable I failed to control for in this test compared to prior tests. 17.15.09 # hell yes i get bustamove on her enow 17.15.13 # rockbox wins 17.15.22 # how to make the font larger though its so small 17.16.07 # quall - find the display settings in the menu 17.16.26 # or pick a different theme that already has a large font 17.16.30 # hmm 17.16.33 # quaal - did you install the fonts package? 17.16.55 # i'm trying to use menu + select to exit bust a move like it says 17.16.57 # but its not working 17.17.02 # thats the top and bottom buttons right 17.17.10 # no 17.17.12 # top and middle 17.17.36 # quaal - actually, what brand/model device do you have? 17.18.13 # oh yea top and middle 17.18.14 # dur 17.19.04 # ok found the font settings under theme settings 17.20.11 # soap - ok, so mine is nonlinear but just as nonlinear as it was before :) and it looks like I would decay that remainder in about 30-45 mins so pointing to about 14.5hrs max 17.20.39 # what did you use to plot yours? 17.20.41 # I'll now see if I can reproduce my prior runtime to confirm my battery isn't just on the way out 17.20.46 # soap - openoffice calc 17.20.55 # whoa 17.20.59 # i wish snap came in a larger size 17.21.02 # i like that one 17.21.11 # quaal - it's an open codebase.. 17.21.33 # hmm 17.21.46 # i'm unfortunately codetarded 17.21.53 # soap - I can upload my calc file if you'd find it useful (if you have openoffice that is) 17.21.53 # i wonder if its dumbed down 17.22.13 # stripwax, yesx2 17.22.23 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 17.24.10 # www.beermex.com/battery_bench.ods 17.25.00 # to get the data in I had to unfortunately copy+paste the important part to resave as csv and then load /that/ csv into calc and then paste it back in to graph it (gah) 17.26.21 # stripwax, what would i even use to edit it 17.26.30 # and do i edit snap.fnt ? 17.27.19 Quit jac0b ("Leaving") 17.28.11 # uh yea apparently its in some kind of assembly 17.28.23 # i just cat'd the snap.fnt and it totally donged my terminal 17.28.24 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.28.54 # quaal - search the wiki for more information. for example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor 17.29.03 # the font file is NOT assembly .. 17.29.21 # hmm 17.29.32 # how do you call this 17.29.44 # oh nevermind its not pasting right 17.30.15 # quaal - more info here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts 17.30.35 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 17.31.28 Quit ol_schoola () 17.34.09 # hmmm 17.35.02 # soap out of interest what audio format did you use? 17.35.15 # LAME APS 17.35.25 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@ppp-70-245-186-8.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net) 17.35.42 # because I can run the comparable test on Apple firmware with that. 17.37.31 Join nardul [0] (n=kse@3906ds2-vby.0.fullrate.dk) 17.37.35 # Evening 17.38.08 # Is there a way to prevent my ipod from going into the original firmware when the "hold" key is on? 17.38.13 # stripwax, my discharge is pretty linear 17.38.15 # http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotdq1.png 17.38.18 # soap - i'll try something similar. I have some previously-obtained mp3s (I don't really use them myself) and i'll bench the OF first though 17.38.51 # soap very interesting 17.40.27 Join ackbahr [0] (n=jean@180-157.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.41.19 # soap - if I plot the absolute measurements I get something that looks like that too - hah. 17.42.26 # however, mine tails off rapidly below about 3800. Having said that, my peak is also higher - almost 4300 on a full charge 17.45.07 # yours looks even odder when you plot battery voltage instead of battery percentage 17.46.12 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@207.155.176.3) 17.47.06 # soap - it looks real similar to yours - except the very end tail on that run that ran out to 3% charge 17.48.21 # your plot doesn't have that tail - the rest looks almost identical to mine (except yours lasts longer .. :) 17.48.59 # yea - I clearly misspoke - having trouble with the scale. 17.49.50 # Ok, so I need to bench my OF next 17.50.04 # the rapid discharge should come after the 3,7 volts mark 17.50.19 # XavierGr - in my case 3.8 volts 17.50.48 # My initial reading is 100mv higher than soap's, however 17.50.57 # I think these batteries hold as much as they can unctil they reach that value, then they discharge pretty quickly 17.51.24 # 3.675 is where mine starts to fall fast. 17.52.04 # 3.7->3.675 = 48 mins. 3.675->3.5 = 12 mins 17.52.56 # damn 17.53.02 # why does charging take so godamn long 17.54.37 # soap - what reference volume would you use to compare OF battery to rockbox? 17.55.07 # haha 17.55.30 # I mean, I'm using something that's probably as loud as my usual rockbox listening, but is there a way to see what volume that actually is? (I've not used the OF) 17.55.42 # quaal - ? 17.55.56 # hi 17.56.21 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088832233.dsl.bell.ca) 17.56.33 # I played a test tone in both firmwares and used audacity to find a matching volume 17.56.42 # good call! 17.57.28 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A435B.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.57.47 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-154-233-30.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 17.59.16 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 17.59.18 Quit vmx_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.00.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.01.09 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 18.01.22 # little overly anal perhaps 18.01.29 # not at all 18.04.19 # Now, I actually thought vorbis was more optimised (for rockbox arm, at least) than mp3. Will see what I get OF vs Rockbox on mp3 (I guess in about two day's time :) 18.04.27 # but my C app programing education is coming slowly (and C system programing education even slower) so I figured least I can do is be the best benchmarker possible! ;) 18.04.38 # heh 18.05.17 # Nico_P - hey, happy xmas! Did you get a chance to look at the sliding_puzzle patch yet? :) 18.05.33 # I have my test album encoded in LAME APS and OGG -Q 6.99 - which matches _total_ average bitrate within 1% 18.05.55 # individual tracks vary, I didn't get anal enough to match track ABRs 18.06.14 # stripwax: thanks! sorry, no. I just took a quick look at viewports but that's all I've had time to do for some time 18.07.24 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955BD0A.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.08.25 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 18.10.00 # soap - ah, and how does your Lame runtime compare to Ogg ? 18.11.34 # stripwax: mp3 *used* to be less optimised than vorbis on arm, before tomal's patch went in 18.11.37 # haven't compared them in 16 months 18.11.42 # Oh - I guess the OGG Q 6.99 results are yours :) so LAME APS is actually fractionally more efficient than Vorbis 18.11.44 # right 18.12.12 # 5% or less difference then. 18.13.23 # I say "or less" - because while the 100-0 runtime varied by 5%, the 90-10 runtime varied by 1% (which is why I started tracking 90-10 times - I don't understand why the difference) 18.13.37 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.14.44 # BTW - when you say 'no WPS', have you set the WPS to a blank screen specifically, or just using the default (including peak meters) 18.15.00 # I start playback then go to the main menu. 18.15.28 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.15.32 # ah 18.16.14 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 18.16.38 # I do the same in Apple firmware - I know it does not make the most realistic runtimes, but WPS complexity seems like too large of a variable. 18.16.47 # there is (or was?) a bug where, in some list viewers (file view?), playback couldn't go to the next track (it would just crash), so I avoided doing that. Didn't try main menu though, nice idea. I had peak meters, could be the main difference between yours and mine 18.17.27 # very well could be. 18.17.35 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.18.00 # I should do a full set of tests to migrate over from my current system to a more realistic system. 18.18.05 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@207.61.207.167) 18.18.12 # I'll do the same (as you) on the Apple firmware then. Otherwise I won't know if my battery is actually degraded 18.19.06 Join fingolfi1 [0] (n=faemir@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 18.19.13 Quit fingolfi1 (Client Quit) 18.19.24 # I have been (pleasantly) surprised by how little my battery has degraded over time, and how it is /still/ lasting longer than Apple initially claimed. 18.19.29 Join fingolfi1 [0] (n=faemir@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 18.20.16 Part J-23 18.20.54 # 7% capacity loss over a year and a half of heavy use is amazing, IMHO. 18.24.51 # soap - ok, when I set the OF playing and then bring up the menu (and leave it alone), after a minute or so it goes back to the Apple wps-equivalent screen. what trick am I missing? 18.25.18 # oops - does it? 18.25.27 # lol - I've never looked that long. 18.25.30 # yep, unless we have different OF versions too :) 18.25.35 # Hole #1 in my methodology. 18.25.38 # ha! 18.25.39 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A435B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.25.45 # I gotta go. 18.25.49 # cool! 18.25.51 # see ya 18.25.56 # can i control wheel scroll speed in ipod 5.5g? it's too sensitive for me 18.27.11 Quit iamben (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.34.06 Join krazykit [0] (n=krazykit@216.76.76.143) 18.37.48 Join Anarchitect [0] (n=Me@h8441148223.dsl.speedlinq.nl) 18.38.13 Quit Axio () 18.38.18 # hullo 18.39.56 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 18.40.28 # is there any kind of last.fm support via rockbox? 18.40.36 # why haven't patches #5855 and #4840 commited? it's been really a while and they work fine. 18.40.47 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 18.40.58 # Anarchitect its in the system menu i think 18.41.04 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 18.41.07 # holy cow, there is :o 18.41.24 # thanks, I'll check it out. I was hesitant to finalize my upgrading to rockbox, but I'll check it out 18.41.25 # thanks 18.41.39 # Anarchitect, check the wiki to find out how to submit the .scrobbler.log 18.42.00 # thanks- I tried searching for last.fm 18.42.07 # now it's there 18.42.10 # but anyway, cheers :D 18.43.01 Quit fingolfi1 (Client Quit) 18.43.18 Join moredhel [0] (n=daniel@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 18.45.41 # Anarchitect, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog 18.45.49 # yup, thanks a bunch 18.45.50 Quit lassesdatamaskin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.46.13 # I'm pretty psyched about getting rockbox working, should be awesome 18.46.19 # /r/ update on zen vision m? 18.47.23 # Mardoxx, please use real words, and check the New Ports forum 18.47.45 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.47.57 # /r/ is the *chan image board for requests >_< 18.48.24 # please read the guidelines. they require you to use real words, not internet-speak. 18.48.28 # well not everybody here runs around saying 'moar' and 'sauce' and more offensive words 18.50.19 Quit faemir (Nick collision from services.) 18.51.56 Nick moredhel is now known as faemir (n=daniel@85-211-77-177.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 18.54.17 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 18.56.21 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 18.56.48 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 19.00.44 # parafin: too sensible before acceleration starts? 19.01.29 # yes 19.01.36 Join midgey [0] (n=TJ@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.01.44 # can you build your own software? 19.02.31 # i can change it in source, but i rather want some patch to make it configurable 19.02.40 # if so, enlarge WHEEL_SENSITIVITY in button-wheelclick.c 19.02.56 Join ptw419 [0] (n=ptw419@cpe-72-179-164-213.satx.res.rr.com) 19.03.43 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 19.04.08 # ok, thanx for the tip 19.04.12 # parafin: right now 5G will use 96/4 = 24 itemscrolls per rotation, for nano 96/6 = 16 is used 19.04.39 Join Anon-E-Moose [0] (n=Dongs@c-75-67-189-4.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 19.04.46 Join lassesdatamaskin [0] (n=sindre@165.80-202-81.nextgentel.com) 19.05.18 # it's most annoying in text viewer, because i scroll two pages instead of one very often 19.06.09 # and it's hard to scroll back on right page, text viewer is somewhat slow 19.06.21 # I'm quite new to the rockbox scene and I was wondering whom I could report the bugs I found 19.06.41 # to whom* 19.07.16 # parafin - I had a Creative Zen Micro that did that, I know it's not even close to the same thing but I feel your pain. 19.08.28 # Anon-E-Moose, there's the bug tracker, of course. i think the IRC guidelines have some information on how to properly make sure it's a reproducable bug 19.09.03 # krazykit - Thanks. I'm going to get lunch, family's leaving without me. I'll be back in a bit 19.10.12 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m237.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.11.49 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.11.50 Nick DrMoos is now known as moos (i=moos@m237.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.14.17 # [17:48:29] well not everybody here runs around saying 'moar' and 'sauce' and more offensive words 19.14.18 # I do 19.14.20 # lawl 19.19.00 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.33 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.22.45 Join gbing [0] (n=chatzill@pool-96-229-87-95.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) 19.22.51 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@p5B046640.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.30.16 Quit nardul ("Leaving") 19.35.05 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 19.38.47 Join GodEater [0] (n=vircuser@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 19.41.22 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 19.46.59 Join MichaelDA [0] (n=OldSchoo@CPE000f3d5ccbe3-CM00003900c262.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.49.39 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955CAB7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.51.43 # Hello all. The Rockbox Wiki page said to join this channel, introduce myself and request write permissions. I have some codec timing info and FM presets to contribute. 19.57.25 # is it normal that my ipod says "commiting database x/9" for the first few minutes after I boot it up? 19.57.28 # Hi MichaelDA, I could add you to the wiki users with change permission although I'm not a core developer. The core developers may just not be reading this channel right now. 19.57.45 # Anarchitect, it does that when it's made database updates 19.57.59 # oh ok 19.58.22 # Anarchitect - that will happen if you have Automatic database updates enabled *and* you've added new music to your ipod, or whenever you (manually) update the database 19.58.25 # bertrik, you don't need to be a core dev. just wiki write access. 19.58.29 # MichaelDA, what is your wikiname? 19.58.44 # ok, but even I could, I don't know if I should 19.59.11 # I just initialized my database, so it figures 19.59.15 # anyway, my last question: 19.59.23 # for now 19.59.28 # Krazykit: I'm MichaelAndrew 19.59.35 # is there anyway I can make rockbox ignore the "the" in front of many artistnames? 19.59.47 # there is at least one patch on the tracker 19.59.50 # e.g. "the Flaming Lips", I'd rather see them at F than at The 20.00.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.00.27 # I'm not sure what tracker number, but if you search for "ignore "the"" in the tracker search you should find it 20.00.52 # krazykit: are you adding him, or should I do it? 20.01.12 # karashata/Anarchitect - you might want to read this for more info http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14521.msg108754 20.01.22 # bertrik, i got it 20.02.09 # allight, thankyou 20.02.16 # MichaelDA, there you are. make sure to check out the formatting help for twiki if you're having trouble :) 20.02.23 # the "use sort tags" patch would do this nicely but hasn't been completed yet 20.03.15 # I wonder if there's a way to do this in a 'free' kind of way using the tagnavi config, however 20.03.53 Quit dandin1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.03.58 # krazykit: Thanks much. 20.04.06 Part MichaelDA 20.07.38 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 20.11.16 Quit krazykit ("leaving") 20.14.06 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-113.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 20.17.32 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.17.51 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15569.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.19.00 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.19.37 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.24.04 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.24.53 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.26.36 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 20.30.35 Quit ruskie ("Caught sigterm, terminating...") 20.33.21 Quit lassesdatamaskin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.18 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.18 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.40.24 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.34 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.43.02 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@84.Red-217-125-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 20.43.48 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.44.48 Join GodEater [0] (n=vircuser@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 20.45.06 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.52 # linuxstb: hi! nice job on viewports :) 20.48.29 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.49.09 Quit Mardoxx () 20.49.51 # Nico_P: Thanks. I struggled a bit with the wps parser, but I got there in the end... 20.50.25 # yeah, quite a lot of changes... I went through quickly 20.51.10 # amiconn: I just test-compiled with only the firmware/ part of my viewports patch (i.e. not the wps changes), and it's 952 bytes for the ipod color. 20.51.28 # linuxstb: is there anything preventing the vp size from being dynamic? 20.52.11 # how much is it with apps/ too? 20.54.26 # The apps/ was another 1KB or so, I haven't checked the current version. 20.54.33 # ok 20.55.15 # The way I've implemented viewports in the wps, they can't be made dynamic (the tags are just read once, and not stored), but I guess they could be... 20.55.55 # but in other code, they could be resized without a problem, couldn't they? 20.58.15 # hmm nevermind I should go 20.58.29 # * Nico_P fades away 20.58.38 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.59.29 # uh 20.59.42 # how long does it take for rockbox to make the charge go up 20.59.52 # the ipod video was connected and charging for hours 21.00.01 # just disconnected and now it says 27% 21.00.03 # keeps going up 21.00.06 # 1% at a time 21.01.16 # Nico_P: (for the logs now...) Viewports can't really be resized dynamically because of the scrolling lines - I think you would need to stop the scrolling lines, change the viewports position/size and then draw the scrolling lines again. 21.03.02 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.03.08 # quaal - I noticed that it uses a lot of energy 21.03.14 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 21.03.19 # Anon-E-Moose, what. rockbox in general? 21.03.24 # Yeah 21.03.33 # hmm 21.03.39 Join fughidabowit [0] (n=fug@c-76-103-235-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.03.43 # My iPod colour is freaking out now 21.03.51 # this whole counting up thing to get the final charge is kinda annoying 21.03.54 # The hdd spins extremely hard trying to do the simplist thing 21.04.01 # it must be using some kind of processing to figure it out 21.04.12 # Are you using a dock or just plugging into the computer? 21.04.20 # all i have is the usb cable 21.04.21 # hey all - I just loaded the latest build on my 4th Gen Gray IPod and it is no longer getting past the "Rockbox loaded" bootloader 21.04.29 # I cannot even load the Apple OS 21.04.32 # Have you had problems with it before, charging? 21.04.59 # its just stuck on the bootloader screen and won't continue 21.05.02 # fughidabowit - Center, menu. Hold, restarts 21.05.07 # Anon-E-Moose, nope when it had apple firmware i just plug it in for a while and unplug 21.05.11 # and it told me it was fully charged 21.05.13 # hold it, not set the hold switch :| 21.05.28 # Yeah I can restart it that way as many times as I want - but it still gets stuck at the same place 21.05.31 # quaal - How old is it? 21.05.40 # looks like its stopped at 37% 21.05.41 # weak. 21.05.44 # fughidabowit - Then I'd say it's not going to work :\ 21.05.54 # Anon-E-Moose, 1.5yrs 21.06.00 # Possibly a bug with your iPod, possibly a bug in the code 21.06.03 # oh, 38 now 21.06.11 # quaal - They _do_ lose charge, you know... 21.06.26 # Anon-E-Moose, uhhh 21.06.33 # but that would be a pretty instant chargeloss, I reckon 21.06.34 # losing != gaining 21.06.34 # That's probably a decent factor, since the algorithms changed 21.06.35 # Moose: Is there any way to get it into 'usb mode' so that I can clean up this ipod? (I have been using rockbox on this for a while now) 21.06.41 # its going UP 21.06.42 # now DOWN 21.07.06 # fughidabowit - Plug into the computer, load iTunes, hit the 'oh shi-' button 21.07.17 # Also known as 'reload iPod software' 21.07.29 # moose: Even if it doesn't detect that the device has been plugged in? 21.07.41 # fughidabowit: menu+select to restart and the select+play as soon as it restarts - should get you in disk mode manually 21.07.44 # Whatdya mean doesn't detect? 21.07.47 # ok 21.07.56 # that's what i wanted (disk mode) :) 21.07.58 # As long as it shows up under 'my computer' 21.08.18 # quaal - I think your iPod needs a dose of hammer. 21.08.35 # Apply directly to screen, twice daily for a week. 21.08.46 # Should clear it right up 21.08.49 # yay thanks Pixelma & Moose :) I can see my ipod now 21.08.50 # ipods charge better and faster in the apple firmware, not rockbox 21.08.52 # fughidabowit: do you know how old your bootloader is? 21.08.56 # don't use a hammer 21.08.58 # pixelma: VERY old :-D 21.09.19 # pixelma: I wasn't aware a new bootloader was out...so i broke my ipod heh 21.09.40 # fughidabowit: that could be the root of the problem then 21.10.24 # pixelma: yep - is there an easy way of updating the bootloader? (I could just RTM but since you guys are so helpful...) 21.10.48 # Can't you just run the updater? 21.11.09 # lol there's an updater? 21.11.10 # quaal - try charging after booting into the original firmware (then reboot to rockbox after it's charged). Rockbox (currently) doesn't charge very well *while* rockbox is running 21.11.20 # As in, go to the site and getting it again, but latest.. 21.11.36 # It seems like the simplist solution, so it's probably not the best... 21.11.37 # yeah well I have the latest .rockbox - but my bootloader is *old* 21.11.49 # fughidabowit - can you run rbutil to update the bootloader? 21.12.00 # Or just ipodpatcher... 21.12.09 # it should be easier to install a new one, you'll find instructions in the manual (almost the same as the first install so you'll find it in the installation chapter) 21.12.15 # stripwax, ughh 21.12.23 # yeah I'll try to find that rbutil file 21.13.16 # where do i set the time 21.13.23 # huh? 21.14.00 Join madspin [0] (n=madspin@host81-129-178-143.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) 21.14.44 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 21.14.47 Quit pondlife (Client Quit) 21.14.52 # is the "Smart installation" the one I want to update it? 21.16.27 Quit madspin (Client Quit) 21.17.03 # just click on the install bootloader button if you just want to install the bootloader.. 21.17.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 21.17.16 # next tab 21.18.10 # sweet 21.18.15 # everything works again! 21.18.24 # and wow....it seems faster than before 21.21.00 Quit MethoS-- (Network is unreachable) 21.24.26 Quit fughidabowit () 21.28.08 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-227-164.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.29.20 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@e176096194.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.32.33 Quit Thundercloud__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.32.58 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.36.30 Quit ptw419 (Remote closed the connection) 21.46.00 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.46.33 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.46.41 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 21.47.23 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D794.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.47.23 Quit MethoS-- (Connection reset by peer) 21.48.37 # I didn't see anything anywhere on viewing bmps. I see the jpeg viewer, but nothing to view bmps. 21.50.49 # AFAIK there is no bmp viewer, but I think you can open a bmp in rockpaint 21.51.17 # bertrik: tried. didn't work. 21.51.27 Part pixelma 21.51.48 # bertrik: says its incompatible 21.52.30 # bertrik: odd how I can view a bmp as my backdrop or album art, but not just as a picture. 21.52.58 # hmmm, incompatible, opening in rockpaint works fine here 21.53.35 # i do it by selecting the file in the file browser, then long select to open the context menu and then open with... rockpaint 21.53.46 # I think Rockpaint is limited to bmps the size of the screen. Maybe there are other limitations as well though... 21.54.00 # bertrik: the pic is the size of the screen. exactly. 21.54.39 # bertrik: and 100 by 100 album art doesn't work either. 21.55.39 Quit Buschel () 21.55.59 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.56.10 # oh, I never tried big bmp's, 100x100 album art worked fine for me last time I tried 21.56.43 # I'm using the plain&simple theme now, with bigger AA of 158x158 21.56.46 Join webguest76 [0] (n=45012688@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8b1dfc8df25506c) 21.57.16 Quit webguest76 (Client Quit) 21.57.47 # linuxstb: guessing there are other limitations cause I can't get it to load small bmps either. I just find it odd how there is a jpeg viewer, but no bmp one when you would think that would be a whole lot easier. bah. 21.57.52 # Alonoea: Looking at the code, rockpaint seems to use the same bmp reading function as the backdrop code uses. So if a bmp works in one, it should work in the other. 21.58.31 # What is the exact error message you see? Are you sure it's not talking about the rockpaint plugin itself being incompatible? 21.58.32 # linuxstb: theoretically, but its not here. I can't load a picture that I am using for a backdrop. 21.59.04 # linuxstb: lemme see 21.59.29 # linuxstb: ah. its saying rockpaint is...odd. I pressed select earlier when it wanted to reboot. 22.00.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.01.32 # Hm. I plugged my ipod colour into the dock and it just displays the menus and such, does that mean that it's charging? 22.01.48 # * Anon-E-Moose is used to it just showing the apple logo and being innaccesable for the most part 22.02.23 # linuxstb: actually, now that I think of it, when the screen asks to reboot and you press select, I have never actually seen it reboot. 22.02.34 # Are you on a gigabeat? 22.02.38 # linuxstb: yes 22.03.29 # Then yes, "rolo" isn't implemented on the gigabeat - the feature that lets Rockbox start running another version of itself (it doesn't reboot). So that never works. 22.03.59 # linuxstb: ah. well, it might be helpful if the screen said that then. ^_^_ 22.04.32 # scorche: I'm wondering (assuming viewports get committed in the very near future), whether there's still a need for "unsupported builds" section on rockbox-themes.org. The only patch I can think of which won't be included will be multi-fonts. 22.04.45 # Alonea: It would be more helpful if someone implemented that feature... 22.05.00 # linuxstb: indeed. 22.06.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4863.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.07.06 # linuxstb: mind if i get back to that in a bit?...in an OLPC conference call 22.07.32 # scorche: Sure, logbot is always here, even if I'm not... 22.08.34 # linuxstb: is there an easy way to code bmps to open in rockpaint when you select them? 22.08.39 Join stewball [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.104.236.167) 22.10.51 # What happens now when you select a bmp? 22.11.08 # nothing at all 22.11.10 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 22.11.16 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@pdpc/supporter/active/salty-horse) 22.11.32 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-227-164.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.11.50 # That's odd - looking at viewers.config, rockpaint is configured as a viewer for bmp files. So I'm not sure what's preventing it. 22.12.22 # what is the question exactly? rockpaint opens bitmaps when selected from open with (or, at least, used to .. ) 22.12.40 # linuxstb: me neither. 22.12.58 # stripwax: you should be able to just select a bmp and it will load rockpaint 22.13.33 # stripwax: instead of having to do open with all the time. 22.13.34 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-37-118-10.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 22.13.50 # * linuxstb wonders why ".bmp" has VOICE_EXT_WPS in filetypes.h 22.14.38 # linuxstb: though, it would be nicer if the jpeg viewer did both types so like in a slideshow you could have jpeg or bmp. 22.15.05 # Sure, a unified image viewer has often been requested, but never written.... 22.16.05 # linuxstb: I would write if I had a clue. though gimmie a few months and I might have one. I am going to take a class on C and then maybe I might be able to. 22.16.33 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15569.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.18.01 # linuxstb: then again, I might just get bored today and frustrate myself for a few hours. 22.19.29 # Writing a bmp viewer would be (relatively) trivial if you limit yourself to bitmaps the size of the LCD. 22.21.05 # linuxstb: yeah. but I will make it difficult on myself. bad me...java has made me lazy. 22.21.17 Quit zicho (Remote closed the connection) 22.21.29 # Can anyone (pixelma, rasher?) explain how the VOICE_EXT_* strings are used? I'm confused why (for example), ".mpa" is voiced as "audio". 22.21.41 # help.me.spam.me@gmail.com's username really freaks up the column widths in every forum he posts in. 22.21.50 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-3299e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 22.22.18 # soap: I agree, that's been annoying me since he/she appeared... 22.24.10 # will brb 22.24.13 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.24.31 Quit Anon-E-Moose ("Going to hang out with friends") 22.26.03 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.26.11 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.26.37 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.28.26 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 22.28.31 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.35.34 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.39.54 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955E980.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.40.20 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.44.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.45.45 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.45.54 # How about a New-Year's-Holiday forum cleanup? 22.46.44 Quit advcomp2019_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.46.54 # Everybody with the ability do a quick "Advanced Search" for topics containing "MOVED:" started by themselves. 22.47.16 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B7D5.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.47.19 # And aged more than 14(?) days old. Then go through and delete them all. 22.47.29 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.48.04 # soap: Sounds like fun ;) 22.49.17 # oh, PS: Uncheck the "To Be Deleted" board. (or not) 22.50.06 # Hmm, so no way to mass-delete, we'll need to go into each thread? 22.50.37 # I don't have any such powers (mass delete) - I've been opening each page of search hits into a dozen tabs. 22.52.16 # and Llorean's going to kill me. 22.52.37 # I slipped and moved 21 threads into "Administration / Forum business" by mistake. 22.54.00 # nevermind - I do have the power to move from that board, I assumed I didn't. 22.54.44 # i think experts are inline with developers now 22.55.09 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.55.10 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 22.57.07 Quit tedr0ck (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.57.11 Join RogerBacon [0] (i=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke-1279325056.dsl.bell.ca) 22.57.26 # weird 22.57.54 # my ipod refuse to boot 22.58.04 # i let it uncharged for 2-3 day ... 22.58.10 # battery dead ? 22.59.19 # most likely. Did you try the "proper" hard reset trick? Said trick being: 1-Toggle the hold switch to the on (red) and back to the off (white) position. 22.59.45 # 2 - Press and hold "Menu"+"Select" for 60 seconds with no finger movement. 23.00.21 # 3 - if the iPod doesn't respond, plug into charge (preferably a wall or cigarette lighter charger) for 12 hours, then goto step 1. 23.01.17 # (The "Menu"+"Select" combo is for the 5th gen and Nano - and perhaps the 4th(?) older iPods use a different button combo.) 23.01.25 # I'm off 23.01.26 # tata 23.01.28 Part Anarchitect 23.02.46 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 23.03.26 Join uwe_ [0] (n=uwe@dslb-084-056-005-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.03.54 # soap: Menu+Select is valid for all PP502x ipods 23.04.48 # G1..G3 have hard reset on Menu+Play 23.05.21 # Which I believe is an impossible combination on the later iPods, as well. 23.05.40 # yes, that's obviously why apple had to change it 23.05.41 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 23.05.46 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.06.18 # Same goes for the edm combo: G1..G3 have it on Left+Right, later ipods on Select+Play 23.07.20 # soap : tryed but didn't do anything, will plug it in the wall charger 23.07.22 # thanks for the info 23.07.36 # when trying to play audio on the sansa, I get an error: "Undefined instruction at
". is that a known problem with the trunk? 23.08.14 # Are you running a very old bootloader? 23.08.40 # * Alonea hugs person who fixed bookmarks for text viewer 23.09.21 # linuxstb, I think not. last time I upgraded was a month ago 23.10.06 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 23.10.21 # and the error only occurs on the player. plugins work fine 23.10.39 # linuxstb, what sort of viewport testing do you want to see? You had mentioned WPS writing - just try to abuse it and see if it breaks? Or are you looking for something else? 23.10.41 # should I try reinstalling the bootloader? 23.10.54 # the backlight flash for about 1sec and turn off 23.12.19 # soap: Yes, I guess just experimenting with the WPS. 23.14.05 # any news concerning the ipod classics ? 23.14.53 # nope 23.15.18 Quit uwe__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.16.06 Join webguest30 [0] (n=568ba62c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1cc0d01cc8fe5c6) 23.16.48 # soap: Good idea on the clean up - I'll have a shufti 23.17.12 Join MrKeuner [0] (n=kudo@unaffiliated/mrkeuner) 23.17.39 # hi, will I be more impressed with rockbox on a sansa than on an ipod nano 2nd gen.? 23.17.47 # salty-horse: It can't hurt. Also try checking your disk for errors (with chkdsk or similar). 23.18.03 # Definitely, as Rockbox doesn't work on the nano 2nd gen... 23.18.31 # But it also doesn't work on the very latest Sansas - you need to make sure you buy a "version 1" e200/c200. 23.18.49 # not an e250? 23.19.09 # e250 version1, yes. e250 v2, no. 23.19.33 # linuxstb, can you help me with a name of a similar linux tool 23.19.44 # fsck.vfat 23.19.59 # MrKeuner: go on your sansa under info and what is the version of the firmware? 23.20.02 # I had installed rockbox on some version of ipod nano and was not impressed with the battery time, other than that I had liked it. Will I like sansa on e250 version 1? 23.20.27 # Sansa (kn common with all portalplayer device) is a little down on battery time 23.20.37 # MrKeuner: if it says 1. something then its one, 3. something, then its two if I remember correctly. 23.20.40 # scorche: I think experts actually have slightly more power than developers, actually. Mostly because "Developers" don't need to be concerned (read: spammed) with reported posts and a few other things, so I think I've disabled that. 23.20.53 # Any Developers can also be in the "Experts" group, if they want 23.20.56 # * Llorean isn't here, again. 23.21.20 # Alonea: version: 01.02.18A 23.21.28 # Llorean: oh?...i am not sure if i am in both (i have both badges), but i got the BigBambi is cruel report 23.21.40 # MrKeuner: then you are good to go. 23.21.42 # It's true 23.21.48 # I am cruel 23.22.02 # * BigBambi heads off to do various evil deeds 23.22.05 # Are you cruel to be kind, or just plain cruel? 23.22.11 # MrKeuner: my dad got a sansa for christmas and he loves rockbox a whole lot more than the OF 23.22.19 # linuxstb: in the right measure 23.22.20 # can I reset the sansa hardware at any time. (remove rockbox software and revert to sansa software)? 23.22.30 # Alonea: I am setting this up for my father as well :) 23.22.31 # linuxstb: Which would you prefer? 23.22.47 # MrKeuner: yes. you hold down the left key on startup. I had to set up my dads as well/ 23.23.04 # BigBambi: No place for kindness in this world.. 23.23.10 # True 23.23.19 # The meek shall inherit NOTHING 23.23.28 # MrKeuner: i dont like how sansa is like ipod and to find music you do it by artist, album, etc, instead of a file explorer. 23.24.05 # MrKeuner: prefer being able to organize my music how I want to, not forced to. 23.24.11 # Alonea: yeah! same here, and it cannot read the album tag either, even if I go out of my way and type every each tag! 23.25.03 # I tought my dad to use sound juicer to create mp3s but sansa firmware cannot read the tags. 23.25.09 # MrKeuner: album tag or album art tag? 23.25.16 # album name 23.25.23 # MrKeuner: ah. id3 tags then. 23.25.48 # MrKeuner: I also like how rockbox reads most song formats, including flac. 23.26.05 # do I need an older version of id3 tag system for sansa firmware? 23.26.12 Quit webguest30 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.26.36 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 23.26.37 # linuxstb, this is expected in the disk scan, right? "There are differences between boot sector and its backup." 23.27.10 # MrKeuner: have no idea. it should read the latest...*shrugs*. You can right click the file under windows, then goto summary(click on advanced on that screen). if it says the album there then sansa should read it. 23.27.19 # salty-horse: I'm not sure, but it doesn't sound expected to me - I would have thought a backup should be the same as the original... 23.27.42 # Alonea: I do not have windows but gnome nautilus reads it well 23.28.02 # I thought it was the sansa original vs rockbox versions 23.28.03 # Alonea: or any player in my linux box 23.28.04 # i have a big problem. Rockbox can't play a good portion of my songs. When i click on the song name it says "No File!"... if anyone could please help, it would be much appreciated! 23.28.11 # MrKeuner: good. linux is our friend. hmm...dunno whats up with sansa then. 23.28.39 Quit Rick (Remote closed the connection) 23.28.40 Join MethoS--- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C1D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.28.54 # Alonea: you said left key right? so menu+left key should be pressed when sansa is off? 23.29.13 # billenium: What kind of files are they? 23.29.23 # music files 23.29.23 # mp3 23.29.33 # they worked for a while 23.29.35 # billenium: What device do you have? If it's a Gigabeat, and you updated Rockbox, did you power down, and then reboot? 23.29.37 # but all of a sudden stopped 23.29.45 # its an ipod nano 23.29.53 # MrKeuner: yes. though you dont have to do at same time. as soon as the screen pops on on startup, hold down left. 23.29.53 # Ah. 23.30.12 # its my own build too, but it worked for like 2 weeks after i compiled it, then stopped. 23.30.14 # Mouser_X: hello dear. 23.30.44 # billenium: Have you tried rebooting anyway? I've sometimes had that problem, and rebooting fixed it. 23.30.54 # iyes 23.30.59 # Dang... 23.31.00 # i rebooted it a couple times 23.31.02 # Alonea: I cannot do it, can it be any other key by any chance? 23.32.24 # billenium: Could you try with the current build? 23.32.32 # MrKeuner: maybe, but that's what did it last night. you have installed rockbox already right and you want to load the OF? if so, then turn off player, turn on, hold down left key until it changes over. 23.32.35 # i like my build better o.o 23.32.41 # but i guess i could 23.32.57 # Sure, but we need to check whether it is a rockbox problem or a your patches problem 23.33.04 # kk 23.33.08 # Alonea: oh, I haven't installed rockbox yet, so this feature comes with rockbox? OK then 23.33.10 Quit zicho (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.33.14 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.33.17 # should i just replace the .rockbox file 23.33.24 # No, all of it 23.33.25 # or should i unboot loader it 23.33.35 # MrKeuner: yes, I thought you wanted to know how to get into the OF for some reason after you install rockbox. 23.33.46 # billenium: Are you using the standard bootloader? 23.33.57 # i believe so 23.34.00 # Alonea: yes but I was trying recovery before doing any changes :) 23.34.01 # MrKeuner: OF is original firmware, or the sansa firmware your player came with. 23.34.11 # i never changed the boot loader before 23.34.14 # only the .rockbox folder 23.34.16 # In that case just unzip a new build overwriting everything 23.34.27 # ah 23.34.28 Join Rick [0] (n=rick@pool-71-189-189-253.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.34.30 # sounds good 23.34.33 # If you just replace rockbox.ipod you will have problems 23.35.03 # oh also, my regular iPod (in regular ipod firmware mode) has the same problem. 23.35.07 # just wanted to throw that out there 23.35.08 # MrKeuner: o...k..no need to recover your sansa. rockbox is quite safe. it just tampers with the bootloader, not firmware. I also suggest installing rockbox with the manual method. 23.35.09 # aha! 23.35.18 # teehee 23.35.19 # billenium: With the same files? 23.35.22 # yupyup 23.35.33 # Have you tried them on a PC? 23.35.35 # well i havent tested EVERy single one yet 23.35.37 # but most of them 23.35.40 # ill try now 23.35.47 # Cool 23.35.50 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.35.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.35.53 # Sounds like they are corrupted 23.36.02 # Probably a file system problem? 23.36.08 # Alonea: don't I need to replace bootloader in sansa, just as I did in ipod? 23.36.08 # Are you Windows or linux? 23.36.17 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-3299e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 23.36.27 # Alonea: just unzip rockbox.zip that's enough? 23.36.31 # Linux 23.36.42 Part zicho ("Leaving") 23.36.55 # i really hope they arent corrupted 23.36.58 # You could also try a fsck.vfat 23.37.05 # fsck.vfat? 23.37.06 # If they are to check the filesystem 23.37.14 # It is like chkdsk in windows 23.37.17 # my songs arent saved anywhere 23.37.17 # MrKeuner: There's a manual. It will tell you how to install both Rockbox, *and* the bootloader. 23.37.21 # Both need to be done. 23.37.27 # billenium: Fingers crossed then 23.37.28 # MrKeuner: there is a difference between bootloader and firmware. if you have read the manual then you would know how to install. the sansapatcher.exe will do the bootloader and then you jsut unzip the rockbox. 23.37.33 # =( 23.37.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF4863.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.37.38 # so i type this into the termnal? 23.37.55 # billenium: Just try playing a song on the PC first, but then yes 23.38.02 # specifying mount point too 23.38.05 # i dont have the mp3 codec =P 23.38.12 # hehe 23.38.15 # brb 23.38.17 # switching to XP 23.38.21 # OK 23.38.21 # MrKeuner: the manual should tell you everything you need to know on installation and most of the features. wiki should have everything else. 23.38.56 Nick qwedsa_ is now known as qwedsa (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 23.39.09 Quit MethoS--- ("Konversation terminated!") 23.39.17 # Alonea: all right thank you 23.39.23 # Mouser_X: thank you 23.39.34 Join billeniumXP [0] (i=the@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 23.39.36 # okay 23.39.37 # xp 23.39.51 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.40.00 Part RogerBacon 23.40.39 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 23.41.16 # wow 23.41.17 # big problem 23.41.36 # the songs arent in my K:\iPod_Control\Music\ folder... 23.41.46 # only the ones that play are inthere 23.42.21 # Where are they then? 23.42.22 # THanks bigbambi 23.42.25 # there gone 23.42.28 # deleted i suppose 23.42.30 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C1D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.42.35 # Ah, you were using the database? 23.42.38 # is your (rockbox) database out of sync with your actual filesystem? 23.42.45 # billeniumXP: Were you databasing? 23.42.50 # * linuxstb forgets Rockbox has a database... 23.42.52 # and did you sync with (itunes) database at some point 23.42.55 # * BigBambi too 23.42.59 # I never use it 23.43.04 # umm 23.43.06 # yes im using databse 23.43.08 # I enabl;ed it for the first time to look at pictureflow 23.43.09 Join webguest64 [0] (n=cfb5e990@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7545e00dee1deedb) 23.43.21 # i think im never going to use it again though 23.43.23 # billeniumXP: Is autoupdate + load to ram turned in? 23.43.29 # *on 23.43.37 # BigBambi: my songs arent even on my iPod 23.43.40 # BigBambi: only time I use it is when I loose my memory: "damn...where did I put that song again?" 23.44.05 # billeniumXP: Yep, but the database thought they were, so it wasn't updating properly 23.44.13 # kk 23.44.15 # this sucks 23.44.19 # just update the database 23.44.21 # i lost 50 percent of my songs 23.44.34 # bizarre 23.44.38 # do you use itunes? 23.44.41 # Ouch... 23.44.44 # not usually 23.44.50 # * BigBambi whispers back up 23.44.55 # * BigBambi hides 23.45.01 # there backed up ony my dads computer 23.45.08 # oh@ 23.45.09 # haha 23.45.11 # could you, at some point, have used itunes and itunes resync'd your ipod and removed music in the process?? 23.45.11 # OK, so annoying but not fatal 23.45.12 # thats probably it 23.45.13 # If I lost 50% of my songs, I'd be out 30,000+ files... If those were SIDs, I wouldn't care... 23.45.35 # haha... when i copied them onto my dads computer, i didnt copy, i cut and pasted i guess... 23.45.43 # Ooops. 23.45.43 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.45 # hehehe... 23.46.07 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.46.21 # I would have a fit if I lost half my music...probably need to be sent to ye ole crazy house 23.46.28 # Me too 23.46.43 # it was more than half 23.46.51 # like all my goood songs i listen to every day 23.47.12 # is there a linux binary of sansapatcher? 23.47.57 # sorry... nevermind 23.48.14 # MrKeuner: ^__^. just saw it in manual? 23.48.30 # yes :) 23.49.46 # billeniumXP: that would make any person unbalanced. at least its not gone permanently. 23.50.06 # yeah 23.50.39 Quit billeniumXP () 23.51.33 # * Alonea wonders how to make computer compile faster 23.53.01 Quit eigma (No route to host) 23.55.18 # Alonea: Are you compiling with cygwin, vmware, or Linux? 23.55.29 # Mouser_X: linux 23.55.33 # (The latter 2 should be pretty close to each other in speed.) 23.55.48 # Alonea: any theme recommendations for an old guy? 23.55.56 # Well then, to my knowledge, the best way to get it to go faster is to get a newer, better, computer. 23.56.08 # MrKeuner: Cassette. *grins* my dad got a kick out of it. 23.56.12 # MrKeuner: Something with large text? 23.56.18 # Mouser_X: yes 23.56.21 Join imulator [0] (n=imulator@xdsl-87-78-250-0.netcologne.de) 23.56.35 # * Mouser_X often uses small text. 23.56.41 # hello 23.57.22 # Mouser_X: I wish I had the cash. this laptop isn't too bad I guess. gig of ram, amd turion 64 processor. lets not mention the video card... 23.58.32 # * Mouser_X needs new computer hardware as well. 23.58.42 # * Mouser_X is getting off-topic 23.58.50 Join lassesdatamaskin [0] (n=sindre@165.80-202-81.nextgentel.com)