--- Log for 12.01.108 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.18 # oh!...also, could you add "talk to scorche in IRC for a shiny developer cloak" on your new developer template mail next to the note to talk to Llorean about forum badge? 00.00.28 # Bagder: ^^ 00.00.36 # * amiconn increased lcd update speed on 1st..3rd Gen ipod by ~50% :) 00.00.43 # scorche|w: will do sir! 00.01.15 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 00.01.37 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.02.32 # scorche|w: can i have such a cloak ? :-) 00.03.11 # forum search has gone titsup again for those with the power (LinusN I think) 00.03.12 # Domonoky_: leave a message with scorche, if you could...a bit busy for a while more at work :) 00.03.35 # :-) 00.05.05 Quit disorganizer ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.05.14 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.05.32 Join Sansa [0] (n=4ccab698@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b99116ffef61545d) 00.06.44 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.06.44 # I mentioned this last night, but the channel was pretty dead 00.06.45 # - 00.07.17 # I am requesting Wiki Write Permissions so that I may document the plugin controls on the iPod 00.07.34 # (username BillWenrich ) 00.08.34 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 00.08.36 Quit jcollie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.10.06 # hang on 00.10.08 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11170cc620928d42) 00.10.43 # someone on ABI batterybenched a sansa using Buschel's patch at 21 hours, 30 minutes playing FLAC 00.10.57 # ! 00.11.01 Quit Sansa ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.11.06 # BillWenrich|flx: fixed! 00.11.16 # thank you! 00.11.30 # I will be glad to confirm and add the proper iPod documentation 00.11.37 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.12.25 # saratoga: is this a significant increase? i don't know the sansa runtimes... 00.13.50 # Buschel: I got 15h last time i benched with svn (2 months ago or more though) 00.14.02 # ooops. cool :) 00.16.13 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-004.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 00.18.14 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 00.19.45 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 00.21.35 Part Hans-Martin 00.22.43 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 00.22.45 # saratoga: flac is the most efficient codec when looking at the codec comparison. there might some more runtime possible when lowering the "normal" clock to 16MHz or 12MHz. 00.23.08 # saratoga: but then gui responsiveness will suffer too much 00.24.12 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C7E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.24.38 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 00.26.00 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.37 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 00.27.00 Quit walla ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.31.56 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.39.23 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.48.09 Quit n1s () 00.48.41 # Buschel: yeah, then it makes sense to boost when the user is active 00.51.41 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 00.53.40 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 00.53.48 # boosting when the user is active would be pretty nice 00.54.01 Quit lee-qid_ ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.54.09 # what would be the best way to handle that? just tie it to the backlight settings, or something more complicated? 00.55.36 # If I boot my sansa c250 with the USB cable plugged in, it goes into the OF, but the OF doesn't recognize the USB connection. To be able to actually copy files, I need to boot into the OF with USB unplugged, and plug it in afterwards. Is that a known problem ? 00.56.16 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 00.57.58 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.58.16 # saratoga: to me it seems like it could be tied to the backlight 00.59.44 # Bagder: yes that seems sensible, but I remember Llorean (?) having some other idea the last time it was discussed 00.59.51 # * Domonoky_ just commited the first version of voice file creation in rbutil ! :-) 01.00.35 # that certainly is becoming _the_ rockbox utility 01.01.20 # * Bagder gives in for tonight 01.01.44 # :-) 01.04.23 Quit Buschel () 01.06.03 Quit Domonoky_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.08.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.15 # gevaerts: I also have that often on a laptop USB port (USB 1.1) 01.09.21 # c250 too 01.11.38 Join ChristineTham [0] (n=7cbd2014@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a5508ff2b60403cc) 01.11.48 # Hello 01.11.58 # pixelma: I tried on laptop running linux, connected both directly and behind a hub, and on a desktop running windows. 01.12.14 # I have a question about high capacity 1.8" hard disks 01.12.20 Join LloreanPhone [0] (n=d1b73312@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b4489ac0bc048ab2) 01.13.48 Quit LloreanPhone (Client Quit) 01.13.50 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=4b596ebc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c6c3f6f77b85b436) 01.14.03 Join LloreanPhone [0] (n=d1b7330b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd213617d654e73b) 01.14.18 # ChristineTham: theres hardly anyone around at this hour, but you're welcome to ask in case someone is awake 01.14.41 # I just uploaded the Hindi translation (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8446) 01.15.11 # saratoga: ok. i was wondering if the toshiba mk1011gah has the same 1024 read issue as the mk8009gah (used in the apple ipod 80gb) 01.15.17 Quit LloreanPhone (Client Quit) 01.15.38 # because i am thinking of upgrading my gigabeat x60 to use the 100gb hard drive 01.15.39 # Can someone check it out and see if it's okay? 01.16.17 # i have downloaded the spec for the mk1011gah, but i don't see any limitations in being able to read 512kb sector 01.17.08 # but then i don't see that limitation in the mk8009gah spec either ??? 01.17.59 Join Llorean-Phone [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-103-34.austin.res.rr.com) 01.18.05 Quit roolku () 01.18.19 # gevaerts: well I don't have any problems with it at all here at home - so I would think it's a problem with certain USB ports 01.19.01 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 01.19.08 # saratoga: backlight boosting without a minimum might negatively affect blind users 01.19.59 Quit ender` (" It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is inte") 01.20.26 # pixelma: could be. I'll experiment a bit more tomorrow. Right now I'm testing how long the battery lasts. 01.21.38 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.27 Quit Llorean-Phone (Client Quit) 01.22.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.59 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF46A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.23.32 # JdGordon: thanks for noticing. fixed it :-) 01.24.51 # don't worry i think i found the answer 01.25.10 Quit ChristineTham ("CGI:IRC") 01.29.50 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 01.32.20 Part pixelma 01.32.48 Quit gevaerts ("Leaving") 01.36.57 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.37.37 Part toffe82 01.38.52 Quit obo_ ("bye") 01.41.25 # there's a bricked m:robe 100 on ebay.de 01.41.54 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 01.42.38 Join Keripo [0] (n=Keripo@CPE001111e441f8-CM001a6680d4fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.43.11 Part Keripo 01.43.34 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.48.52 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-8c9be355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 01.49.06 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-219-207-177.asm.bellsouth.net) 01.49.21 # kugel: whats that, lol? 01.49.48 # m:robe is a media player 01.50.03 # DAP specifically 01.52.27 Join Izzeh [0] (n=7cabca05@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3b3a797498757ac9) 01.55.06 # Anyone around can answer a question for me? 01.55.25 # * DerPapst looks into crytalball 01.55.47 # the answer to your question will be: "No. It doesn't work yet." 01.56.42 # Hah -Reads guildline 9 just after posting- 01.56.57 # hehe 01.57.37 # I'm just trying to work the wiki plugin and the converter is giving me a single error 01.57.56 # and I'm on like step 39/40 so I didnt want to just give up... 01.58.29 # That's not an official Rockbox tool (or plugin), so you probably won't find anyone who can help here. 01.59.02 # Yeah I figured as much... 01.59.23 # what about if the question were directed more to a technical cygwin on XP issue? 01.59.43 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.59.51 # Then that would be off-topic for #rockbox as well... 01.59.51 # aren't there any prebuilt ones? and what is the file at the end? this homebrew .epodia file? 02.01.05 # Lol I've patched it in fine that isn't the issue.. It's the fact that with cygwin running in a host environment on XP it doesn't allow the conversion of large files and was hoping you guys would know a work around for this short of installing linux 02.08.22 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 02.09.27 # offtopicness is too harsh here in my opinion, he's trying to contribute to the rockbox community 02.09.43 # ^ hehe (Xavier's quit message) 02.09.44 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 02.11.50 # Ebert, the issue is that there are channel on this very IRC network much better equipped to troubleshoot Cgywin/Linux/VMWare issues. 02.12.04 # *channels 02.12.55 # but should one shut his mouth if he knows the answer easily? or maybe pming would cancel out the offtopic dogs 02.13.26 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@ppp-70-255-142-39.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 02.14.14 # Surely the discussion of it being off-topic is JUST as off-topic as answering, or even asking my question... But never mind I guess it's all just too hard so I'll go... 02.15.11 # Izzeh: it doesnt apply.. 02.15.31 # haha yes, too hard to stick to the rules.. 02.15.42 # * Ebert shuts up 02.15.45 # Ebert, I think history has shown people who do know the quick and easy solution do shout it out - but it is a fine line between helping people and encouraging disruptive behavior. 02.16.15 # Izzeh, I PM'd you 13 minutes ago 02.17.18 # Yeah I answered... or atleast I think I did, I truly hate IRC 02.22.19 # Izzeh: if you aren't registered to freenode.net soap might not have recived your message 02.23.29 Join crope`` [0] (n=crope@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe97fb00-89.dhcp.inet.fi) 02.24.20 Nick BillWenrich|flx is now known as freedomlinux (n=freedoml@pool-71-185-123-230.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 02.29.04 Join Hilikus_ [0] (n=ROCKERO@bas2-montreal45-1279494605.dsl.bell.ca) 02.29.07 # hey guys 02.29.28 # is there a new default theme already in the main branch or its still in talks? 02.31.38 Join IzzehO [0] (n=windows6@124-171-202-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.38.36 Nick IzzehO is now known as Izzeh2 (n=windows6@124-171-202-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.38.53 Part Izzeh2 02.41.32 Join IzzehO [0] (n=windows6@124-171-202-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.42.08 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 02.45.01 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 02.45.14 Quit Izzeh ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.46.26 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.50.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.55.35 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.56.34 Quit zicho ("Leaving") 02.57.13 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-8c9be355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 03.00.33 Join HP_Administrator [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-21-87-94.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 03.00.42 # hello wat is rockbox 03.00.46 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 03.00.50 Nick HP_Administrator is now known as lg (n=chatzill@adsl-75-21-87-94.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 03.00.59 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 03.01.05 # www.rockbox.org 03.01.18 # how do you install rockbox and wat emulators doe sit have 03.02.21 # you could look at the wikipedia entry, read the manual, or search... 03.02.41 # um plz tell me 03.04.09 # hello? 03.04.47 # lg: please read the guidelines linked in the topic... 03.05.00 # k 03.05.31 Join tedr0ck [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 03.06.10 Quit lg ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 03.07.56 Join Hilikus [0] (n=ROCKERO@bas2-montreal45-1242555202.dsl.bell.ca) 03.08.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.10.43 Part FunkyELF ("Leaving") 03.20.41 Quit Hilikus ("Estoy usando el Ambar-Script v1.1, yo lo cree y me quedo muy bacano, bajatelo de http://pagina.de/deporcali | There are 10 ki) 03.20.46 Quit tedrock (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.21.22 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.22.06 Quit Gnu47 ("Going!") 03.22.40 Quit Hilikus_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.22.53 Join Cruleworld [0] (n=Crulewor@71.239.117.120) 03.25.33 Quit DerPapst (SendQ exceeded) 03.30.56 Quit japc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.31.36 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-242-84.dsl.telepac.pt) 03.39.28 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.41.09 Join bwananna [0] (n=bwana@c-75-72-189-187.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.42.21 # say, i have a iPod mini 2g that i upgraded with a 16 g cf card, i reinstalled the apple software, that works fine, but after installing rockbox it comes up "Rockbox boot loader v2.0, no partion found ..." 03.42.26 # any ideas people 03.47.53 # anyone home 03.47.53 # Did you reinstall the Apple firmware via a Mac? 03.47.58 # via a pc 03.48.23 # also gives the error ATA: -80 03.49.06 Quit Cruleworld ("Leaving") 03.51.24 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 03.54.53 # `did you search the forums for that ATA error? 03.58.06 # i just found something 04.00.00 # bitch 04.01.05 # bwananna: that is a bit...unneccessary...please read the guidelines linked in the topic 04.08.51 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp169-25.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.10.16 # can i only get source by svn checkout or is there a nice tar file somewhere too 04.11.02 # there is both, but if you are doing development, using svn makes things MUCH easier 04.11.41 # i just need to test a diff and see if it fixes the problem 04.12.02 # where can i find a tar, i can't locate it on the site 04.12.27 # hmm myabe extras 04.12.36 # No, it's on the same page as you download the binaries 04.12.53 # "current build"...in both binary and source 04.13.39 # duh, thanks 04.14.25 # hey, what should I do if my gigabeat starts to get that system error 0000003 thing every now and then? does the HDD need to be reformatted or something? 04.15.30 # also the text viewer goes kinda crazy sometimes. 04.15.46 # but I have not updated it in a while, so lemme do that first 04.16.24 # Alonea: the system error message is from the original gigabeat firmware. Unfortunately, it's most likely an indication of impending hardware failure, though first you could try reseating the disk, and then scanning it for errors with your PC 04.16.49 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.17.00 # Llorean: ah ok. 04.18.52 # well, if its just corrupted files in the system volume folder, then its fixable. *hopes and prays* 04.18.54 # Alonea: I don't believe we have a knowledge of what, specifically, those error codes mean, but they tend to mean an error while trying to access the disk, I think. 04.19.11 # Which could mean corrupted files, or actual hardware problems, or anywhere between 04.19.37 # indeed. its hard to tell. though if its busted, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one. 04.19.53 # Very possibly. 04.20.33 Nick freedomlinux is now known as freedomlinux|lur (n=freedoml@pool-71-185-123-230.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 04.20.43 Nick freedomlinux|lur is now known as flx|lurk (n=freedoml@pool-71-185-123-230.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 04.22.16 # * Alonea backs music 04.22.37 # what a pain 04.27.31 Join Workaphobia [0] (n=Jonathan@rrcs-24-39-202-2.nys.biz.rr.com) 04.28.17 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.28.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp169-25.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.29.15 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.36.19 Quit XavierGr () 04.47.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF47B2.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.50.58 Quit bwananna ("leaving") 05.02.58 Part Workaphobia 05.08.27 Quit IzzehO () 05.08.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.21.55 Join countrymonkeyweb [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ce48ed4663e398fd) 05.22.49 # How do I extrapolate all the dest strings out of the english.lang file? My good friend wants to rework a translation but doesn't want to deal with lang files. 05.23.57 # countrymonkeyweb: Do you mean "extract"? And if so, you'll just have to write a tool to do it. 05.24.08 # They're just text files, it's not like it's complicated to work with them. 05.24.17 # Why won't he just edit a file directly? 05.24.25 # I mean extract. I am a little tired 05.26.20 # Why, he has never worked with xml or programming, ever. The only reason I remotely understand them is I have programmed before. I showed him and he wants me to just get the strings. 05.28.03 # And is there some weird reason the japanese translation's missing string value is about 30 or 40 when it should be about 150? 05.30.30 # It's just a text file. 05.30.41 # How hard, seriously, is it to look for the word "Dest:" and write your string after it? 05.31.01 # I mean honestly, anyone who speaks English and can read can manage that. I wouldn't say any XML knowledge, at all, is needed. 05.31.54 # If you want to write a program to extract the strings, and then reinsert them later, feel free, but it's going to save you both a lot of trouble if he just spends a few seconds actually thinking about what's on the screen in front of him, and realizing how easy it really is. 05.32.28 # It is the different targets that are confusing. 05.33.13 # Looks like I will direct him to the LangFiles wikipage then. 05.38.24 # And while I am here, I should mention I am getting disk activity at the weirdest moments. Like, say, when I enter menus. I use a voice file, but that is it. 05.39.00 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=d8ef538c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-78edc8f834a97a46) 05.40.36 # And a completely unmodified build? 05.41.12 # unmodifyed unless for 8395 which I applied for some wierd reason. 05.41.27 # Llorean: you wouldn't happen to know if LBA is supported? not sure whether to do with or without. 05.41.43 # Lba48 is supported in custom builds. 05.42.11 # not native unmodifyed rockbox. 05.42.18 # Llorean: at least it said my hdd is good and not broken. but then something else could be wrong. 05.42.24 # countrymonkeyweb: talking to me? 05.42.31 # Dear administrator, the forum search function is throwing a database error, just so's you knows. 05.42.58 # Do you mean lba or lba48? 05.43.02 # countrymonkeyweb: if so, I will just do non lba fat32. 05.43.05 # MarcGuay: Unfortunately, while I'm *forum* administrator, I don't have shell access to the server, which is necessary to repair the table 05.43.18 # countrymonkeyweb: I am reformatting my gigabeat f40 05.43.18 # That is supported. 05.43.29 # countrymonkeyweb: ok, then I will do lba then. ^__^ 05.43.34 # Alonea: Unfortunately, it could mean more serious problems them. The most likely being the connector itself, but it's hard to say. =/ 05.44.10 # Llorean: it wasn't really a constant thing, kinda random. I will just hope this fixed it. 05.44.17 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 05.44.29 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp169-25.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.44.38 # Alonea: to be more specific, there is an ifdef in the code that, should you add a line in the config file for your device and build, you will get LBA48 support...it isnt necessarily a patch as "in the custom builds" would suggest 05.45.09 # He doesn't mean lba48. He means lba. 05.45.24 # i mean lba48 05.45.34 # scorche: I don't even know what lba48 is. I am formatting the drive. I have W95 Fat32 or W95 Fat32 LBA 05.45.45 # lba48 is necessary for >128GB disks 05.45.47 # Llorean: No doubt. Just throwing it out there. 05.45.55 # lba48 is a system that lets you go beyond 128 gb of hd space. 05.46.07 # countrymonkeyweb: i am well aware what lba48 is... 05.46.10 # countrymonkeyweb: ah, ok. so just to check, lba is good to use? 05.46.14 # MarcGuay: I *think* LinusN is likely to be aware of it. If I see him I'll mention it though 05.46.32 # I was telling alonea. 05.46.52 # Yes, it is good to use. 05.49.09 Join mikey [0] (i=mike-new@unaffiliated/mikey) 05.49.18 # ROCK BOX! 05.49.23 Join RockerMONO [0] (n=Nick@unaffiliated/rockermono) 05.49.52 Part RockerMONO ("fail :()") 05.49.54 # he likes it! 05.51.05 Quit MarcGuay ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.51.19 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=d8ef538c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-15ad2f2cd13de007) 05.52.03 Quit MarcGuay (Client Quit) 05.52.35 # rockbox rules! 06.06.28 Join Shaid [0] (i=shaid@124-168-82-182.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.07.27 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.09.48 # Llorean: ok, so far, so good. player is still kicking 06.10.48 Join [_bb] [0] (i=wirc@208.102.82.97) 06.10.50 # Llorean: will play with it for a few hours and if it doesn't give me trouble then this was all just a bad dream 06.11.21 Join IzzehO [0] (n=windows6@124-171-202-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.13.14 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 06.13.18 # You're not dreaming. 06.15.35 # countrymonkeyweb: *pouts* hey, I want my player to not die on me. if i get no more system errors, then I will pretend it wasn't acting like a 5 year old in a desperate need of a spanking. 06.17.45 # countrymonkeyweb: In regards to your disk spinup thing: 1) Are you using a large font, 2) Are you using a language or WPS that requires unicode characters, 3) is music playing while you're in the menus, 4) What screens, specifically and exactly, do you see these spinups on, and can you reproduce them on any specific screen? 06.19.26 # 1) I use chinese 2) I am blind and use unifont 3) no 4) browse around the menus a bit, no reproducable screens, random. 06.20.27 # Are you 100% sure it's random? 06.20.32 # If you're blind, why do you use unifont? 06.20.50 # It's very possible that what you're experiencing is simply the adding and changing of characters in the glyphcache. 06.21.10 # Unifont is a very large font, and will not be loaded entirely into memory 06.21.20 # chinese. 06.21.31 # That doesn't answer my question. 06.21.43 # If you can't see the screen, why does it need to display chinese characters? 06.22.22 # Unless you can name another font that supports chinese, I am kind of stuck. I need something where a sighted person could help me just in case something stopped speaking. 06.22.24 # Llorean: maybe he meant blind as in bad eyesight and thus needs large font. not actually blind 06.22.36 # Llorean: then again, maybe no 06.22.50 # I mean totally blind. 06.22.58 # Alonea: Then, honestly, he should say that. I *have* to assume people mean what the words mean. Which is why I was asking him to clarify, in case he meant something else. 06.22.59 # countrymonkeyweb: ah ok. 06.23.33 # countrymonkeyweb: I tend to say I am blind sometimes. astigmatism. 06.23.33 # countrymonkeyweb: Try using a smaller font. Check to see if another supports chinese. Or perhaps just give it a while to finish populating the cache and see if the spinups stop. 06.23.50 # By "a while", I mean "days of use" 06.24.43 # what cash? 06.24.58 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 06.25.18 # cache spelled C A C H E. 06.25.52 # I wasn't paying attention. What cache are you talking about? 06.25.59 # The glyph cache 06.26.41 # Why doesn't it fill itself in one use and be through? 06.26.58 # Because, as I said, Unifont is larger than can be stored in memory. 06.27.24 # How big is the font buffir? 06.27.40 # I don't know the exact number. 06.27.52 # But seriously, just give the cache time to populate 06.27.53 Quit bb05 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.28.12 # It will populate based on use, so it'll store the portions of the font you're most likely to need. 06.28.18 # At least, if I understand correctly 06.31.00 # cool. And speaking of languages, the japanese translation is missing a lot more translations than rasher's page suggests. Why? (I am trilingual) 06.31.08 # Ask Rasher, it's his page. 06.31.28 # The same holds true with the LangFiles wikipage. 06.31.50 # And I thought rasher was here. 06.31.51 # countrymonkeyweb: yay, more japanese. 06.31.56 # And I thought rasher was here. 06.32.14 # What about more japanese? 06.32.32 # countrymonkeyweb: I know some japanese. Used to know more, but I forgot quite a bit. I took the class as my language for highschool. 06.33.04 # The translation is missing about 150 strings but the pages only say about 40. 06.33.17 # And I know you know japanese. 06.33.36 # countrymonkeyweb: oh yeah. forgot. I am waaaay half asleep at the moment. 06.33.53 # wa ka ri masu. 06.34.06 # countrymonkeyweb: It's entirely possible whoever updated the LangFiles wikipage did it based on Rasher's script. Or it's possible that there's something in the Japanese file that makes it seem to have more than it does. Feel free to investigate the file itself to see if there's anything unique about it. 06.34.53 # I will. It's bugging me. I have a feeling it has something to do with markan's commit about 3 months ago. I want to try to update it. 06.35.24 # countrymonkeyweb: indeed. I should get some sleep actually. waiting for files to copy back over. 06.36.13 # I have let things copy and tested in the morning before but if that's not how you want to work it... 06.37.33 # countrymonkeyweb: only has about 20 minutes more 06.37.39 # I think I got it. I need a native japanese speaker to help clear this up. I found out what is wrong. 06.38.00 # and the grammar is 20 more minutes. 06.38.37 # I mean, correct sentence structure. I am about 1/4 asleep. 06.39.12 # countrymonkeyweb: I might be able to help somewhat, have a friend that would be able to help a whole lot more, and am pretty much falling asleep in my chair. 06.39.38 # alonea: anatawa ni hon gin desuka? 06.40.09 # That should wake you up. :) 06.40.28 # I am not japanese...I read better than speak. 06.40.45 # and it says "Are you japanese?" 06.42.01 # I know. 06.42.07 # I do have a friend that is very good at japanese and pretty much can speak it fluently and read it very well. have no idea where he is though 06.42.32 # Does he have any rockbox experience? 06.43.00 # countrymonkeyweb: don't think so. he is a graphic artist. 06.44.17 # countrymonkeyweb: I might get him to look at the translations one of these days when he is online. 06.44.31 # See, what I suspect is that markan's commit was treated as an update. This means that english strings were added into the file, but not translated. I would need a native to figure out which strings were just untranslatible into japanese and which ones were added in by mistake. 06.45.39 # countrymonkeyweb: if I have time tomorrow, I will take a look at it and get Jake when I see him to check it. 06.45.58 # The only 2 translations that are suffering are japanese and spanish. 06.46.57 # hmm, my friend gabi would be good for that. she is native of a spanish speaking country. 06.47.09 # well, its done and I need to sleep. night everyone. 06.47.33 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 06.47.41 # If she wants to fix that one too that would be great. I am kinda more concerned with the japanese one because that one has been present for a while if my theory is correct. 07.08.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.28.57 Quit IzzehO () 07.47.23 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 08.01.43 Join IzzehO [0] (n=windows6@124-171-202-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.06.10 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 08.08.33 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.08.53 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c122-107-143-237.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.11.15 Part IzzehO 08.11.21 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host169-98-static.34-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 08.11.56 # Hi all! 08.19.26 # hi! 08.23.54 Join bb05 [0] (i=wirc@208.102.82.97) 08.24.08 Quit [_bb] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.25.03 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 08.25.30 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B067C5.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.25.41 Quit Ebert () 08.43.29 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.47.03 Quit midgey () 08.58.43 Join thgz [0] (n=thgz@dsl-lprgw5-fe5fdc00-169.dhcp.inet.fi) 08.59.13 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 09.05.39 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 09.09.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.16.15 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.20.00 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.21.23 # where are the button layout files located? i'm trying to get the old layout back :> 09.28.33 # apps/keymaps... ;) 09.30.10 # thanks. i think it doesn't work if i just overwrite the keymap file with an older one? :P 09.31.30 # It should unless something fundamental has changed. 09.32.15 # Awesome, I'm trying it then. First backups, don't wanna checkout from svn again. 09.32.46 # But most keymap changes are made for good reason. You might want to try it for a month and get used to it. 09.39.16 # Why wait a month when I can bitch now? 09.40.09 Quit thgz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.22 Quit mikey ("Leaving") 09.47.52 # Uhm, do you remember what was the last rev with the old layout? 09.48.33 # You haven't yet mentioned which player you have 09.48.51 # Oh, sorry, I'm using e280. 09.49.54 # why not check the "since..." links below the svn table on the frontpage? I would try and search for the specifc keymap file name which will show you when there were changes to it. 09.53.44 # or search the web interface (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/) for the file and it'll show you its history 09.54.18 # Ah, that's a cool feature. 09.56.42 # Ok, it seems to be FS#7232. 09.58.36 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 09.59.31 # Perhaps I should just use the cpchan build, it uses the old layout. This seems to be too hard for me :< 10.00.13 # Well, your only three choice are use his, compile your own, or learn to like it. 10.01.30 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 10.02.06 # Yeah, true. 10.02.13 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.02.20 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.03.20 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 10.06.51 # I tried to do something tomorrow. 10.06.59 # I setted Repeat to off and autochange to on. 10.07.07 # They work fine, but something strange is happening. 10.07.29 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-191-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.07.29 Join Kyin01 [0] (n=Administ@cpe-72-129-70-53.socal.res.rr.com) 10.07.47 # Is it normal that if I reach a track pressing the "next" button, then listen to the track for some time (1 min) and the npress "back", the player doesn't restart from the start of the file but goes directly to the previous one? 10.08.03 # Instead, if I reach a track with the back button, the behaviour is normal. 10.08.12 # If I get an ipod with rockbox installed do I still have to use the pos program that is itunes? 10.08.25 # to transfer mp3s 10.09.04 # no 10.09.34 # you can use whatever file browser there is on your computer :) 10.09.44 # thanks god 10.10.31 # Is clear what I said at least? Is the english correct? 10.10.31 # :) 10.10.47 # the new rockbox firmware wont give my ipod an fm tuner right? cause ipod doesnt have any transmitter like other mp3 players? 10.11.46 # they have receivers, but no ipod has one 10.13.11 # Bagder: ... my brother has an iPod video... 10.13.20 Quit maddler (Remote closed the connection) 10.13.20 # the fm tuner is usable only with a connected accessory... 10.13.25 Join maddler [0] (n=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 10.13.33 # yes, that's because the ipod video has no tuner 10.13.46 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 10.13.48 # Bagder: but the accessory is only a pair of headphones... 10.14.15 # then congratulations, you're the first one to find an fm tuner in an ipod video! 10.14.16 # mrkiko: Isn't there also a plastic lump? 10.14.19 # with rockbox, may be the iPod able to receive fm connecting these headphones? Is this mode of using FM supported by rockbox= 10.14.23 # ? 10.14.55 # Llorean: lump.... 10.14.58 # mrkiko: there's a tuner in that accessory 10.15.04 # Llorean: what's a lump.... 10.15.26 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 10.15.27 # Is there *anything* other than cable, and earphones? 10.15.35 # I thought that with the FM accessory you could plug in your own earphones 10.15.57 # No.. .In my case only cable + headphones... 10.16.14 # Llorean: and infact it seems so strange to me... 10.16.22 # I'll re-look but I'm convinced... 10.16.46 # how big are the actual headphones? 10.17.03 # an fm tuner chip is very very small 10.17.53 # right 10.19.03 # * Bagder is off 10.21.01 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.22.06 Quit ol_schoola () 10.22.09 # Buschel - I may be on crack, but I'm convinced I have the v7 patch in my build and I'm seeing 30MHz ... 10.23.18 # Ok: weird rockbox EQ problem. Settings say EQ is "No" and yet loading an eq profile applies it (and I can hear that it takes effect) even though EQ is still "No". Set EQ to "Yes" and eq turns off ... is that Enabled setting just reversed or are two or more flags out of sync here? 10.29.23 # I never use EQ (except for this random experiment). 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I forgot to add a .h-file to v7-patch -- but this only leads to false display of "normal" clock rate. 11.23.15 # * pixelma wonders why roolku's m:robe commit touched the c200 keymap file... whitespace changes? 11.23.37 # the "diff" shows nothing 11.24.34 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 11.25.02 Join hohum [0] (n=dee41b91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-970a668e72faa6a2) 11.27.46 # hi there, so when are you going to reease a stable version of Rockbox for the Hxxx series ? 11.28.09 # pixelma: svn diff shows a keywords change only 11.28.53 # hohum: we haven't decided anything but are discussing a release 11.29.07 # (not that I have been active in said discussion) 11.29.31 # pixelma: Just metadata changes (missing svn:keywords was added) 11.30.27 # ah, missed the last line in his commit message... 11.30.27 # svn diff -r: told me, i.e. svn diff -r16055:16056 apps/keymaps/keymap-c200.c 11.30.54 # hohum: Either tomorrow, the day after, the day after that, in a month, 6 months, a year, or never 11.31.39 # hohum: here's some light reading on the topic: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/08/the-agony-of-release/ 11.32.05 # Very good post that, Bagder 11.32.11 # thanks 11.33.23 # I see, so its still, introduce new features and bugs, I'll hang onto my old build then, thanks 11.33.55 # well, we did that for the build you have as well ;-) 11.34.03 # * BigBambi shouts hallelujah for jhMikeS's latest commit! No more menu of any kind on startup of mpegplayer :) 11.34.09 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.34.14 # hohum: Wen is your build from? 11.34.20 # *When 11.34.53 # r15216 11.35.13 # I would seriously update 11.35.24 # There have been many bug fixes and new features sine then 11.35.33 # You can always keep that as a back up just in case 11.36.35 # sometime someone surely needs to say, fix bugs for stable release 11.37.02 # Bagder's blog post goes over the pros and cons of that 11.37.32 # Last time we tried it didn't really work, as most devs find that quite boring, and people are in rockbox for fun in their spare time 11.40.22 Quit austinf ("Lost terminal") 11.40.25 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.40.34 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B067C5.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.41.35 # I gues that software is all a case of, if it appears to work well enogh for joe soap, print it, fix only what joe complains about, so all software is in fact beta at all times. 11.42.15 # well, it is impossible to guess every combination of cirumstances, yeah 11.42.54 # stripwax: still there? 11.43.25 # like airports, they are built on construction sites.. 11.44.05 # Isn't everywhere by definition built on a construction site? 11.45.11 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-199-233.dsl.scarlet.be) 11.47.45 # do you guys at least ensure that the daylies are funtional ? 11.47.55 # no 11.48.03 # how could we? 11.48.32 # well, we could of course add automatic testing etc 11.48.40 # they are just a current build built at a specific time each day and archived for a month 11.48.41 # at least unit testing of functions etc 11.48.59 # so joe soap has to find a unbroken build ?, yikes 11.49.18 # It is extremely rare for a build to be broken 11.49.37 # And if it is, a fixed one replaces it within 5 minutes normally 11.49.53 # And we don't have a single player where a broken build will do any harm 11.50.30 # The only ones that could are the bootloaders on H1x0 and H3x0, which are extensively and carefully tested before release 11.50.51 # hohum: I sense criticism so I expect you'll present and offer a solution 11.51.13 # well, its for that reason I run an old build, rather the devil I know etc.. 11.51.13 # it's not an easy problem imho 11.51.35 # right, but again, that build was made the exact same way all builds are 11.51.46 # We ought to be like big commercial software companies that you pay hundreds of euros to that never produce broken products 11.52.02 # hohum: Then you are being silly, and missing out on bug fixes and new features 11.52.10 # By chosing an arbitrary build anyway 11.52.27 # There is nothing to say that one has fewer bugs than the present current build 11.53.36 # not criticising, I'm indeed gratefull for what I have, thank you. 11.53.53 # I just don't know what you expect us to do 11.55.51 # thanks for your time, for info, irc works well with CE 5 11.56.08 # CE 5? 11.56.14 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p4FC94B4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.56.27 Quit Blackfish (Client Quit) 11.57.02 # smartphone 12.01.50 Quit hohum ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.08.31 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 12.15.01 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496798E.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.18.18 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 12.20.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF492B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.21.35 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-228-249.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.23.29 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 12.30.01 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 12.39.44 # Buschel - I'm back now. thanks for putting my mind at ease :) 12.40.20 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 12.40.23 Nick stripwax_ is now known as stripwax (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 12.41.05 # stripwax: no problem -- my fault :/ I will update the patch today after my current runtime test. do you still hear the glitches with the v7-patch? 12.42.10 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 12.42.25 # Buschel - not heard any yet, so I'm happy 12.42.41 # stripwax: then I am happy, too 12.43.03 # Buschel - just to confirm - you also heard the glitches with v6? or just from my report? 12.43.29 # stripwax: I heard them, too. But I needed to raise the volume a lot 12.44.04 # ok - mine were pretty apparent but highly dependent on the track I was listening to 12.44.19 # but those same tracks now sound fine so I think the problems indeed resolved 12.45.02 # stripwax: exactly. I used a track with stable synthesizer sounds, the clicking was quite obvious with it 12.52.09 # Buschel/saratoga - so rockbox draw less current while decoding than the OF for sansa? so does that imply that rockbox battery life is now better than OF, or is it not that straightforward yet? 12.52.16 # ^draws 12.53.56 Join pie [0] (n=pie@cpe-72-134-41-232.socal.res.rr.com) 12.54.09 # stripwax: that's too straight forward -- the runtime tests still show worse battery lifetime. imho this is highly connected to the efficiency of the used codec. 12.54.43 # stripwax: e.g. with flac and further twaeking of the normal clock we may exceed the OF 12.54.50 # *tweaking 12.54.59 # but not with VBR mp3 yet, for example? 12.56.19 # stripwax: no. mp3 seems to need about 40MHz, mpc about 24MHz, flac about 13MHz. each MHz costs about 1/3mA 12.57.26 # stripwax: so, with optimizing the decoders we will gain more battery lifetime 12.58.45 # Buschel - hm, but according to saratoga's post we're drawing less than the retail OS, for mp3 12.59.11 # clearly optimising *more* will give even greater battery life, but is battery life not just a function of required current? 12.59.32 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 12.59.42 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.59.53 # and temperature, I suppose.. 13.00.13 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.00.17 # Hmmmrm 13.00.56 # It just struck me that the suggested video sizes for ipod mini aren't correct, and the handling in mpegplayer itself also probably isn't 13.01.04 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.01.12 # stripwax: and peak current (more of a concern with hds though) 13.01.38 # The mini's lcd width is not an integer multiple of the block size, so the greylib has to round (down), and uses a width of 136 pixels 13.02.44 Join handmadematters [0] (n=handmade@62.174.108.124.dyn.user.ono.com) 13.03.53 # But even if we suggest a maximum width of 136 pixels, mpegplayer would crop 1 pixel at the right, because it centers the display within the lcd width. It doesn't know that the greylib rounds down 13.04.53 # anyone thought about parallelising one of the codecs to run on both cores at lower overall clock speed? or would that be doomed to failure? rereading portalplayers marketing shpiel suggests their FDK provides something along those lines 13.05.29 # stripwax: rockbox will adapt to the needed clock via changing its boost ratio. the higher the clock, the higher the current (as linear function). e.g. mpc needs ~16MHz less than mp3 = 4-5mA less. this is exactly what one can see from the runtime measurements 13.06.43 # Buschel - yep, I know that. so (0.45 * 56.2)+(0.55 * 36.1) = 45.2ma assuming 45% boost, which is less than 47ma of the retail OS for sansa, so I'm confused why the battery life would be less.. 13.07.45 # stripwax: this also matches the results from flac measurements with v7-patch. it gains a lot runtime (+30%) as flac needs <24MHz the change from 30->24MHz saves ~2mA. 13.08.05 # stripwax: maybe the OF uses more efficient decoding? 13.08.28 # actually that's exactly my question - what is 'more efficient' if it uses more current? 13.09.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.09.32 # stripwax: ahh, sorry. you talked about sansa? i remember saratoga said the sansa's OF is quite inefficient -- maybe we now surpass sansa's OF, but not the ipod's. 13.10.03 # but i do not know the runtime of sansa OF... 13.10.05 # yes, I was talking about sansa and saratogas measurements :) so when you said battery life is not longer, you meant " - for ipod" 13.10.12 # yep 13.10.17 # ah-hah! ok, confusion over :-) 13.10.23 # as I've got one :) 13.12.48 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@pdpc/supporter/active/salty-horse) 13.13.14 Quit pie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.13.22 # docs/README mentions the "tools/configure update" option, but the script doesn't do anything with "update" 13.13.25 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C7E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.13.42 # the docs is outdated 13.13.52 # we once had an update option 13.14.28 Join webguest09 [0] (n=577bea82@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7f08268f863b5f73) 13.15.28 Quit webguest09 (Client Quit) 13.15.49 Join JamPSi [0] (n=jamps@dna17-187.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi) 13.16.02 # Hi! My Sansa e280 freezes now when I plug in the usb-cable 13.16.17 # happened when I updated from 16001 -> newest 13.16.45 # I have opened this now 2 times and I'm getting tired of screwing with my fingers 13.16.54 # opened it? 13.17.05 # no way to reset without opening, right? 13.17.10 # prese menu for 15 secs 13.17.12 # press 13.17.15 # hmm 13.18.04 # :) 13.18.19 # :D 13.18.24 # wow 13.18.30 # never had a manual for this thing :) 13.18.37 # thanks 13.18.40 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179054068.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.18.52 # but it still freezes if I plug in the cable when rockbox is running 13.19.14 # Any advice on that one? 13.20.10 # I did a fresh install and it still happens 13.20.33 # I have a problem too: I tried running sansapatcher again and now the bootloader doesn't stop the original firmware from rebuilding the database. 13.20.53 # wtf is happening 13.21.19 # salty-horse: this is sansa ? 13.21.32 # Domonoky, yes. e280 like JamPSi 13.21.56 # the bootloader used to print a message about disabling the db rebuild, but now it doesn't 13.21.56 # JamPSi: it is known that the automatic reboot that should happen when connecting to USB from a running Rockbox doesn't work reliably on the e200s 13.22.11 # salty-horse: i think rockbox can only prevent database update on some original firmwares. so if you updated the sansa of... 13.22.16 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 13.22.31 # *some versions of sansa of* 13.22.33 # pixelma: it worked near perfect before, just sometimes had to try several times to connect the cable. 13.22.35 # JamPSi, my sansa just restarts over and over again when i plug the cable 13.22.46 # mhm 13.22.46 # Domonoky, I haven't updated the original firmware at all 13.22.58 # I had the newest firmware when I put rockbox in 13.23.22 # like a month ago 13.24.51 # JamPSi: in my experience (c200 and tried a Mini once) it is different from build to build (and has been this way for a bit over a year), currently it works alright since the "new" USB stack at my c250 though but I often read about people still having this problem on e200 and Ipods sometimes 13.25.18 # salty-horse: and it worked before ? then it also should work now, rockbox just toggles a bit somewhere, which the of firmware reads out... (but i dont know too much about sansa) 13.25.34 # I know! it's really odd 13.26.11 # hmm, now it displays the usb-icon in the player... 13.26.26 # ...and freezes :P 13.26.54 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.187) 13.27.14 # well can I get an older build? 13.27.46 # JamPSi - is this just for charging? or do you want to transfer files? I thought you needed to reboot into the of to transfer files 13.27.48 # JamPSi: you could go to the daily builds page. there are builds up to a month ago.. 13.28.02 # stripwax: I have only this datacable 13.28.07 # so: both 13.28.36 # before it nicely rebooted into original firmware 13.29.00 # JamPSi - does it work if you reboot into the original firmware yourself manually first? 13.29.08 # stripwax: yes i think so 13.29.28 # sure as Domonoky said. But I wouldn't worry too much - just connect it from an "off" state and when the Rockbox USB stack is more complete I think the problem should be gone 13.30.09 # what needs to be done to the stack? 13.30.41 # pixelma, after the usb stack upgrade, connecting the cable from an "off" state starts rockbox instead of the original firmware 13.31.06 # JamPSi: at the moment it only requests high charging, so much work has to be done on the usb stack (i think zagor is working on ums support?) 13.31.10 # at least, I *think* it was caused by the usb stack upgrade 13.33.35 # salty-horse: huh, really? Connecting my c250 this why always works (at least it always boots into the OF, and only on a slow USB1.1 connection on an old laptop I sometimes have the problem that the OF doesn't detect the connection in which case I really have to start the OF manually first) 13.34.17 # I never had a problem with the OF detecting the connection 13.37.00 # pixelma, it works now! I run sansa patcher again with firmwares supplied by rockbox 13.37.04 # (compiled..) 13.37.15 # now it starts the original AND does a db rebuild 13.39.10 # crazy out-there idea. what would happen if mpa.c creates one thread to decode the stream and one thread to synthesize the samples? 13.39.44 # one on cpu and one on cop 13.40.32 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.40.33 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.42.32 # would I be correct in saying the actual decoding is insignificant compared to the synthesising step? 13.42.39 # Nico_P, ping 13.42.52 # pong 13.43.06 # stripwax: synthesizing will take most of the load. I'd say >80% 13.43.28 # hi Nico_P. is there any reason why the track listing in pictureflow isn't sorted by track number (for all the cases where I tested, it's sorted in reverse, but that may be a coincidence) 13.43.32 # ? 13.43.52 # stripwax: the different decoding speeds for different bitrates show the effect/load of the bitstream decoding 13.44.03 # Buschel - makes sense. crazy out-there idea #2 - decode two frames in parallel on cop+cpu 13.45.06 # I'd imagine an overall lower clock speed and making better use of the two cores would reduce current 13.45.15 # stripwax: but if at least the decoder will run on cop we could save some clocking/boosting as the additional load (e.g. gui/wps/...) could run on cpu 13.45.28 # salty-horse: wow you're right... never noticed it 13.45.36 # stripwax: exactly. 13.46.10 # Buschel - so in my mind, the "ideal" metric would be decoding speed if gui/wps is turned off .. an idle gui + codec on cop won't reduce clock speed compared to idle gui + codec on cpu, I don't think 13.46.15 # stripwax: the possible gain can be nearly seen in the better runtime when disabling wps 13.46.21 # salty-horse: I'll see if the fix isn't too complicated 13.46.32 # Buschel - true 13.46.35 # Nico_P, when will I be able to play albums through it, as if it's a database interface? 13.46.51 # when someone writes it 13.47.01 # there's already half-a-patch 13.47.39 # salty-horse: I can't tell you when. ATM I give priority to playback bugfixes 13.47.55 # Nico_P, there's an extra space in pictureflow.c:428 "track_count < MAX_TRACKS" 13.50.31 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23E407.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.50.50 # * DerPapst waves :-) 13.51.35 # stripwax: btw, I wonder why the default current on sansa is that high. on an ipod the average current (when boosting at ~45%) is ~36mA 13.52.08 # * stripwax shrugs :) 13.53.27 # Do pp cop+cpu both have iram, or is it shared, or only on cpu? 13.54.05 # not sure, maybe jhMikeS knows... 13.57.08 Join j0tt [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 13.57.57 # Buschel: Not only gui/wps, but also dsp effects 13.58.09 Quit jott (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.58.13 # stripwax: iram is shared 13.58.30 # amiconn - thanks 13.59.06 # Cache is per cpu, which is what dual core operation tricky, as there is no cache snooping 13.59.54 # Hold on, this last commit that touches mpegplayer, does that mean no menu on startup? That would be great for blind people. 14.00.06 # and every one else too 14.00.07 # Data consistency must be ensured in software, either by flushing and invalidating caches when handing over data from cpu to cop or vice versa, or by using uncached buffers 14.00.23 # true? 14.00.34 # mpegplayer for blind people? am i missing something? 14.00.49 # Is the startup menu gone? 14.00.49 # amiconn: there were some test before with codec on cop, right? 14.00.53 # I haven't tried, but from the commit message, yes 14.01.10 # countrymonkeyweb: according to the commitmessage, yes 14.01.17 # meh 14.01.26 # :) 14.01.31 # That is about the only thing stopping blind people watching vids in rb other than the handicaps of mpegplayer itself which are handicapping sighted people too. 14.02.09 # what is the point of mpegplayer for blind people? 14.02.17 # Why not just extract the audio? 14.02.20 # i don't quiet understand why blind people want to watch videos in rockbox :-S 14.02.22 # listening to movies. 14.02.34 # Extract the audio? 14.02.44 # And I don't know how to extract the audio. 14.02.49 # countrymonkeyweb: you'd have to convert the video anyways so extracting just the audio is easier. 14.02.57 # Something like virtualdub will do it easy 14.03.03 # and faster and doesn'T waste space on hdd 14.03.09 # Then it would take less battery, be easier to work with... 14.03.24 # I'll wait for an video audio extraction utility to be availible on giveawayoftheday.com 14.03.35 # even mencoder does that and vlc probably too 14.03.47 # Buschel: Yes, but I didn't follow those tests closely. Reportedly it was rather unstable 14.03.48 # well, each to their own, but it seems very pointless to me 14.03.56 # freeware utilities exist to do the same thing? 14.03.57 # This was before jhMikeS' scheduler rework 14.04.01 # countrymonkeyweb: yes 14.04.09 # countrymonkeyweb: of course 14.04.18 # I already mentioned virtualdub, and menoder + vlc will do it 14.04.25 # I imaging ffmpeg will too 14.04.54 # google time. thx. I would do anything to not watch movies on mpegplayer and use the core playback engine instead. I know it is a work-in-progress but still... 14.05.10 Quit handmadematters () 14.05.14 # amiconn: would it be hard to re-implement again? especially as there are two configurations (1. audio-playback only: codec on cop, 2. mpegplayer: codec on cpu, video on cop)? 14.05.15 # countrymonkeyweb: It is easily as easy to extract audio than onvert 14.05.23 # is virtualdub freeware? 14.05.23 # *convert 14.05.25 # yes 14.05.38 # thx. 14.06.15 # ffmpeg does that too. 14.06.28 # yep 14.06.41 # cool. I am at the virtualdub web site. 14.06.45 # I think pretty much any audio/video converting/editing program will 14.06.49 # I think you already can "listen" to your movie - if it's a wmv I think Rockbox takes it and plays the wma sound portion :) (haven't tried myself yet though) 14.07.11 # yes. that works too 14.07.30 # You mean rockbox core or mpegplayer? 14.07.55 # core 14.08.00 # mpegplayer plays mpegs 14.08.12 # cool. thx. 14.08.15 # Buschel: Also, iirc there was no power saving observed from codec-on-cop. The theory was that the scheduler caused the cores to lock-step 14.08.58 # I have no idea how hard it would be; jhMikeS seems to be a dualcore expert 14.09.16 # amiconn: hmmm, a pitty... but noone tested after scheduler rework? and: is it possible to switch off cop, if not used? 14.09.17 # I don't understand the current scheduler code... 14.09.40 # ok, maybe I'll ask jhMikeS, if he comes along 14.09.50 # The cop can't be switched off. All it can do is sleep (which both cores do anyway when they're unused) 14.10.57 # Btw, if there were just the cores, and no peripheral units in the PP, there would be no advantage in splitting tasks between the 2 cores 14.11.20 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 14.11.25 # well, you could lower the clocking then 14.11.47 # amiconn - really? 14.11.49 # Since power consuption vs. clock is approximately linear, one core running at twice the clock would consume the same amount of power as two active cores 14.12.01 # hm, I thought someone said otherwise, recently 14.12.19 # yes, but right now we clock both cores and only use 1 14.14.32 # The other core is sleeping, hence consumes almost no power 14.15.20 # The gain from splitting would be that we can lower the (average) clock, which saves power in the peripheral modules 14.15.22 # ok, then there definately no reason to split between cop/cpu 14.15.27 # *is 14.15.44 # And the other advantage would be that we have more total processing power available 14.16.02 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 14.16.14 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.16.29 # Quite important e.g. if one wants to use ogg and the eq on PP5002 14.17.04 # Without eq, ogg just manages to keep up on PP5002 (treble/bass can be used) 14.17.10 # amiconn - do all the peripherals shame the same clock? ah! 14.19.41 # Depends 14.19.52 # For most peripherals we don't even known 14.19.54 # -n 14.20.03 # The ata controller definitely does 14.20.24 # The lcd bridge 2 can be configured to use either 24MHz or the pll 14.21.04 # In fact the extra processing power is the main reason why we should try to use both cores where it makes sense 14.21.09 # (imho) 14.21.52 # The spc codec already does, and perhaps it is a way to get at least some basic ape realtime on PP... 14.22.11 # I'm poking around in mpa.c as an experiment 14.23.45 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 14.23.57 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 14.24.56 Part pixelma 14.28.55 Quit qweru ("moo") 14.35.12 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.54 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.40.58 Join Hans-Martin [0] (n=hmm@bchm-4d091338.pool.mediaWays.net) 14.48.15 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.54.52 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh14882@dxb-as81624.alshamil.net.ae) 14.55.51 # I cannot figure out how to install qt4. How is it done? 14.56.23 # countrymonkeyweb: on which os ? 14.56.31 # win 14.56.47 # there is a installer for this on the qt webpage 14.57.01 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.57.08 # installs qt and mingw, all you need for rbutil :-) 14.57.34 # All I find is a 48 mb or so zip file. 14.57.53 # but maybe there is something I missed 14.58.13 # take a look at this page: http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/windows 14.58.31 # there is a windows exe for download.. thats the installer 14.59.06 # thx a lot. That will install everything then I compile as described on the rbutil wikipage? 14.59.57 # that will install qt, it also makes a qt entry in the start men, with an entry to a console, you can use to compile rbutil.. 15.00.09 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 15.00.25 # s the consol cygwin/linux-like? 15.01.19 # thx a lot. 15.01.37 # its a windows console.. but its not much different.. 15.02.54 # thx. I should be able to figure it out. I have been building rb for quite a while. 15.03.03 # strrrrike! 15.03.12 # what? 15.03.16 # * Buschel just reached 13:18h runtime on his 5G 30GB :o) 15.03.41 # cool. I want your build. 15.03.46 # that's 95% of OF :) 15.04.11 # What did you do to the build? 15.04.47 # fs#8379 + disabling WPS 15.06.31 # Now how is the wps disabled? What will be displayed instead? 15.06.56 # Buschel: does disabling the WPS make much of a difference? 15.06.56 # just go into main menu while playback 15.07.05 # it consumes lots of cpu power 15.07.31 # thx a lot. I always need more battery life. 15.08.44 # Buschel - that's the same methodology soap+I used to measure just 16hrs on 5G 60GB. (although that was using v6 not v7 - I don't have a runtime on v7 yet). 16hrs is 75% of OF on 60GB 15.09.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.09.22 # * Buschel wants an option to switch off WPS if backlight is off 15.09.39 # Buschel - we noticed that peakmeters in wps reduced runtime by about 3hrs, but not such a big difference with wps if wps doesn't have peakmeters 15.09.46 # * countrymonkeyweb wants that too 15.09.58 # * stripwax doesn't (on video ipod anyway) 15.10.13 # * DerPapst neither.... make it a setting :-D 15.10.15 # * countrymonkeyweb has no 5g 15.10.27 # * countrymonkeyweb has 4g 15.10.33 # if you can prove it's makes that much of a difference, it probably will be considered 15.10.36 # I guess our blind users would be thankful, too 15.10.41 # true 15.10.49 # yes. 15.11.41 Quit countrymonkeyweb ("CGI:IRC") 15.12.55 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 15.12.58 # can anyone tell me how to implement boosting while using GUI (and automatically unbossting after a while)? 15.13.14 Join [_bb] [0] (i=wirc@208.102.82.97) 15.13.22 # button/scrollwheel driver? 15.13.48 # not sure about the unboosting part, hmm. 15.14.38 Join webguest05 [0] (n=52ef1491@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb4da90e74274a0c) 15.14.57 Quit webguest05 (Client Quit) 15.15.02 Join webguest05 [0] (n=52ef1491@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d58f59140b711ae4) 15.16.35 # Buschel, was that 13+ hour runtime with MPC? 15.16.41 # yep 15.17.07 # so 0% boost with no WPS vs ~50% boost with MP3 I 15.17.10 # 'd assume? 15.17.29 # something like this, yes 15.17.58 # even @24MHz we still waste current for flac... 15.18.08 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.18.09 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 15.18.21 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.18.35 # the difference between 50% boost and 0% boost is a 10ma draw (roughly) by saratoga's Sansa measurements. 15.19.35 # and if the constant is ~40 ma....95/50*40 = 76 15.20.11 # 95% runtime / 50ma we average * 40ma you average = 76% which is what we see. 15.20.35 # nice 15.20.45 Quit webguest05 ("CGI:IRC") 15.21.08 # just pulling numbers out of me bum 15.21.16 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 15.21.41 Join turbotorben [0] (n=549a7806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-818f366fbdf50392) 15.21.52 # hi 15.21.57 # Hello. 15.23.18 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C6D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.23.58 # * Buschel updated his patch for further testing (especially for flac-users) 15.24.42 # My player hangs when I enable "Database -> Collecting data when playing" 15.25.09 # Player is Sansa c240 1GB with radio, I have 1GB microSD card 15.25.30 # J-23 - using the latest rockbox version? 15.25.30 # prediction: when disabling WPS and using flac with even further reduced normal clock, rockbox will exceed OF runtime 15.25.43 # stripwax: Probably yes. 15.25.52 # Buschel - hm, 'even further reduced normal clock' ? 15.26.03 # oh, < 24MHz ? 15.26.05 # on sansa it even does right now 15.26.41 # J-23 - 'probably'? when did you install rockbox 15.27.10 # from saratoga's ma numbers, with your patch, Buschel, rockbox should excees Sansa runtime even with a boosting MP3. 15.27.19 # right 15.27.35 # soap: some user is testing it right now -- let's see :) 15.27.47 # stripwax: r16000-080105 15.28.03 Part salty-horse ("Leaving") 15.28.16 # J-23 can you try the latest one and see if you still get that behaviour? that's a week old, something might have already been fixed. 15.29.04 # * stripwax recalls seeing a fix for collecting runtime stats 15.30.06 # J-23 - the setting you referred to, do you mean "Gather Runtime Data"? 15.30.25 Quit bb05 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.33.16 Join tri170391 [0] (n=tri17039@117.6.54.30) 15.33.41 # is there at the moment a solution in work to run rockbox on the sansa e200 v2´s ?? 15.34.07 # I think it's impossible for now :( 15.34.12 # argh, silly tracker. Buschel - apols for double-posting my last comment. I hit refresh in my browser, guess it reposted.. 15.34.30 # No one had cracked the firmware yet. 15.34.38 # turbotorben, not at the time.. you can look in the forums 15.34.50 # hmm okay :( 15.34.51 # No firmware = no reverse engineering :( 15.35.59 # bummer :( 15.36.14 # stripwax: no prob 15.37.27 Quit MethoS- (Success) 15.39.32 Join countrymonkeyweb [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-359ee07dd1771212) 15.40.03 # Where is rbutil.exe located on a win box once compiled? 15.40.30 # rbutil/rbutilqt/release i think.. 15.40.45 # Hold on and I'll check 15.41.17 # I ran qmake then make in the folder but the release folder is empty. 15.41.19 # thanks 4 the answers, have an nice day @ll 15.41.25 # amiconn: what is the most generic way to check whether the backlight is off? 15.41.26 Quit turbotorben ("CGI:IRC") 15.41.54 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet04.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.41.56 # countrymonkeyweb: and there were no errors ? 15.42.12 # try run make in the rbutilqt folder 15.42.30 # I didn't pay attention. Let me check. 15.43.36 # There was an error rbspeex-related 15.43.45 # ah 15.44.01 # run make in tools/rbspeex, preferably under cygwin.. 15.44.39 # there is a rule to build rbspeex lib in rbutils .pro file, but somehow this doesnt work. 15.44.46 # Cool. Then run the rbutil make stuff? 15.45.08 # thx. 15.45.09 # jeah, just build the rbspeex lib, and the run rbutils make again.. 15.45.39 # mcool. thx a lot. 15.46.36 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.50.53 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15.52.04 # It is spitting out another "no rule to make" error. This time it is coughing up on rbutilfrm.h. 15.52.09 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.53.16 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-228-249.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.53.39 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-240-70.dsl.telepac.pt) 15.54.01 # there is no rbutilfrm.h ... either its another name, or your rockbox source is very old... 15.54.59 # try "qmake *.pro" then "qmake", then "make" in the rbutil/rbutilqt folder 15.55.34 # it works for me, so it also should work for you :-) 15.57.13 Quit countrymonkeyweb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.57.24 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host143-212-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.57.30 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.58.32 Join Han [0] (n=han@unaffiliated/han) 15.59.25 # Hi, I got an Ipod ma428 over here. Can I run rockbox on it? 16.00.00 # No, that's a second generation Nano. 16.00.56 # ok, thank you. 16.01.42 Part Domonoky 16.02.01 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e179054068.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.02.08 Part Han 16.02.54 Join Cruleworld [0] (n=Crulewor@71.239.117.120) 16.09.32 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 16.10.07 # if someone wants to try the new voice creation in rbutil: here is win binary of svn: http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt-m1.0.4pre.exe 16.10.53 Join contrymonkeyweb [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3eb5e509eb594915) 16.11.11 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 16.13.39 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 16.13.39 Quit contrymonkeyweb (Client Quit) 16.15.42 Join c0untrymonk3yweb [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-26d758abfbf593f3) 16.16.06 # Rasher/moos: tasks 8132 and 8369 are past due. Could they please be committed? 16.17.06 # hello 16.20.52 Quit Cruleworld ("Leaving") 16.22.28 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@h55eb1194.c45-01-02.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) 16.22.28 # c0untrymonk3yweb: Hi, I didn't looked 8132, and for the 8369, like I already said you, this is best that one native norsk speaker check the patch first (like preglow for exemple) 16.22.43 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.24.07 # for the due date, rasher made it then I guess he is concerned 16.24.47 # * moos goes away again 16.30.54 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 16.31.16 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.31.39 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 16.36.53 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m148.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 16.44.14 Join Aziz [0] (n=cce10711@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-2df1d12b501805fa) 16.44.22 # hello :) 16.44.41 # quiet a crowd. good for me because i need help :D 16.45.13 # * stripwax waits for the question... 16.45.38 # okay 16.45.47 # well. i have a sansa e200 (not v2 and not R) 16.46.03 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-226-220.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 16.46.04 # and i can't seem to install rockbox, either auto or manual, linux or windows =/ 16.46.21 # the auto-installer did find it, once 16.46.42 # it would copy the .rockbox directory fine 16.46.51 # but when installing bootloader, it would say "no sansa found: 16.47.00 # same with manual install 'sansapatcher' 16.47.46 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 16.48.29 # try automatic install with sansapatcher 16.49.11 # i have 16.49.17 # Aziz: your sansa is connected and visible as a drive, when you try sansapatcher ? 16.49.43 # How can I take screenshots on Rockbox player? 16.49.47 # Aziz - is it this: "Warning: The following steps require you to change the setting in Settings -> USB Mode to MSC from within the original firmware" 16.50.00 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/, right? 16.50.04 # J-23 you can enable it from the debug menu 16.50.11 # stripwax, no it is in MSC 16.50.20 # and it is visible as a drive 16.50.22 # drive E: 16.50.55 # "no e200s or c200s found, aborting" =/ 16.51.26 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.49) 16.51.32 # I should point out that my version number is 01.02.18A 16.51.37 # Aziz: havee you done anything on the drive ? like formated it ? 16.51.48 # Aziz - and you're running as Administrator on Windows XP? 16.51.50 # no i haven't. 16.51.59 # :/ unfortunately no, stripwax. at work 16.52.04 # i was going to ask that too 16.52.08 # You need Administrator rights 16.52.13 # alright 16.52.24 # Step 1: Make sure you are logged into your computer as Administrator, or a user with Administrator privileges and connect your player. 16.52.30 # thats it, admin rights are needed for direct disk access... 16.52.36 # well 16.52.39 # Aziz, what firmware version do you have installed into the sansa 16.52.43 # 01.02.18A 16.53.04 # Aziz, o ok good 16.53.05 # i should include a warning into rbutil if you dont have sufficient rights... (only need a crossplattform way to check this) 16.53.11 # I'll have to go to my linux laptop as im on the school computers (where I work) and don't have an admin access. And my laptop won't run windows. You able to help me with linux? 16.53.26 # Aziz - all the instructions are here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.3.2 16.53.52 # i had tried the automatic installer. i'll try the manual install. if i have issues i'll be back. thanks for the help 16.54.28 # Aziz - for linux "you may need to be the root user in order for sansapatcher to have sufficient permission to perform raw disk access to your player" 16.55.07 # Aziz: the automatic installer just uses sansapatcher in behind... it will work either way, if you have root/admin rights.. :-) 16.57.43 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 17.02.56 # what's the fastest way to just rebuild one codec? just 'make'? or is there a better way 17.04.52 # thanks for the help :) bootloader installed 17.05.21 # what i was doing wrong before was i didn't use "./sansapatcher" and i couldnt figure out why it wouldnt execute :/ 17.05.35 # how *did* you try and execute it ?? 17.05.52 # "sansapatcher" I imagine 17.05.56 # yeah :P 17.06.11 # still a noob to linux 17.06.36 # i suppose with no path, it was looking for "sansapatcher" in the path? 17.06.45 # yup 17.06.54 # ah 17.06.54 # By default, Linux does not search the current directory for executables; you must explicitly tell it where to look. 17.07.16 # should I add "." to the path? 17.07.32 # i'm a java programmer so I know how paths work which helps :) 17.07.38 # no, its better to just type ./programname 17.07.41 # Aziz - the instructions even say to type ./sansapatcher ... 17.07.43 Join DillonB [0] (n=chatzill@c-75-68-244-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) 17.07.44 # yeah 17.07.52 Nick DillonB is now known as Fedorageek920 (n=chatzill@c-75-68-244-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) 17.08.37 # well i didnt follow the commands exactly at first. i just read it though "okay make sure its executable and run it". then when it didnt work ran back to this PC and looked again. For some reason the school's wireless is being weird 17.08.43 # back to windows now for other stuff 17.08.59 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.09.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.10.04 Part Hans-Martin 17.10.33 # maybe i should delete some music before adding all this:P 17.16.44 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host86-149-96-138.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) 17.16.44 # alright :) everything's go. thanks for your help 17.17.19 # Aziz - thanks. almost all cases of installation not working is caused by not following instructions exactly :) 17.18.19 # * Aziz shame 17.18.40 # "Make sure you are logged into your computer as Administrator, or a user with Administrator privileges and connect your player. " heh 17.19.18 # :) 17.19.24 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.20.18 # i've been interested in developing a good MP3 player system because all the ones I used were bad. :) and along comes open source rockbox! i may get involved. anyways, again, thanks, im out 17.20.19 Quit Aziz ("CGI:IRC") 17.23.15 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 17.25.25 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.28.56 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 17.33.40 Join ThinkDbl [0] (i=ThinkDbl@bas9-toronto12-1088717672.dsl.bell.ca) 17.34.08 # hi guys.... I've got a quick question.... 17.34.43 # what? 17.35.16 # Does anyone have a good way to copy a playlist to a rockboxed ipod wherein all the mp3's are in separate directories 17.35.30 # and copy the mp3's too ? 17.35.57 # a steer in the right direction really appreciated... 17.36.35 # ThinkDbl - do you use linux? 17.36.42 # Just copy your music folder unless there are other files mixed in with the mp3s 17.37.00 # nope don't use linux 17.37.27 # the mp3 files are all in separate directories... 17.37.34 # copy all the directories? 17.37.38 # me neither. I don't mean copy as in cp, I mean copy as in drag and drop (if windows). 17.37.48 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.38.57 # well I'm talking alot of files and directories... no one knows of an automated way? 17.39.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 17.39.16 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.39.19 # selecting all the directories and copying them at once *is* automated 17.39.59 # ThinkDbl: Use windows to search for files with .mp3 as the extension, then copy all the results to your device 17.39.59 # if you use linux, you could knock up a simple shell script (or command) to copy each file from your playlist from source to target 17.40.00 # Non-contiguous select if they are all within a certain dir. 17.40.25 # well what I'm saying is I have the playlist created.... and I want to carry all those files to the ipod 17.40.37 # they are all spread across multi drives and directories... 17.40.46 # ThinkDbl - do you want one of us to write a batch file for you to do it? 17.40.58 # what directory structure do you want/need on your ipod? 17.41.23 # if your playlist includes the drive (which, presumably, it must) then you would need to change the playlist, too, to remove that drive information 17.41.24 # foobar can do this 17.41.42 # ah, there you go then 17.42.26 # Is this an iTunes playlist? 17.42.26 # aye perfect thanx 17.42.52 # it will need some cofig on your part - but they have excellent forums on HydrogenAudio about foobar config, and their own channel here - their channel is even stricter than here about expecting the question asker to have searched all available documentation, though 17.43.12 # no problem on hydrogrenaudio.... 17.43.32 # I've forgotten how much of a swiss army knife foobar is.... thanx 17.44.25 # thank you everyone. 17.44.27 Part ThinkDbl 17.45.21 Join henger [0] (n=henger@p5B0B66FC.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.45.29 Part henger 17.45.42 # I'm having a little problem building rockbox. 17.46.37 # ipod_fw.c:32:20 getopt.c No such file or directory 17.48.12 # I'd like some help, tell me if you need more info. 17.48.18 Quit billenium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.48.29 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3103.gwdg.de) 17.54.09 # Fedorageek920 - do you really need to build ipod_fw ? 17.54.14 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.54.38 # if you just want to build rockbox (the os), you don't need to build the ipod firmware patcher yourself 17.55.01 # The makefile tries to build it... 17.55.14 # hm, which makefile? 17.55.28 # stripwax: I think the make process uses it to build rockbox.ipod 17.55.37 # ah - didn't know that. 17.55.44 # the one generated when ../tools/configure 17.55.55 # I'm on cygwin 17.56.09 # Fedorageek920: your cygwin install is missing some bits 17.56.20 # what bits? 17.56.28 # couldn't tell you - I don't use it 17.56.36 # but getopt.c isn't something we ship in the rockbox source 17.56.43 # so it has to be provided by cygwin 17.56.55 # I'd go back over the guide in the wiki to using cygwin as your dev environment 17.57.00 # and check you followed each step correctly 17.57.14 # okay. 17.57.38 # you mean simpleguidetocompiling? 17.58.17 # Fedorageek920 - this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 17.58.26 # thanks 17.59.00 # what attribute do I need to make something uncached ? 18.00.02 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 18.00.13 Join Motosuwa [0] (i=WinNT@201.82.60.225) 18.00.50 # can someone help me with cygwin? 18.00.57 # probably 18.01.36 # well, whenever I try to install it says that an older version of cygwin1.dll was found at c:\windows\system32 18.01.46 # but the is no such a file at that directory 18.02.18 # are you sure? (you've turned on the option to show hidden and system files in that directory?) 18.03.06 # my explorer is set to show hidden and system files in every directory 18.03.31 # odd. don't know then. does it prevent you from installing cygwin? 18.03.47 # it doesn't 18.03.53 # try using explorer Search to locate all copies of cygwin1.dll on your hard drive 18.03.54 # but it prevents me from compiling 18.04.16 # do you get an error when you compile (as a result of the cygwin1.dll problem)? 18.04.48 # yes, it says something along the lines of having more than one version of that file 18.05.19 # I searched for this dll through Search, found some copies of it 18.05.37 # where are they located? probably, they could all be deleted and then cygwin reinstalled 18.05.42 # I just compressed those .dll because I don't know if they will be used by other programs 18.06.05 # since they located in other programs directories 18.06.23 # like smoovepod and altera 18.06.31 # if those other programs are in your Path then that's the problem.. 18.07.29 # I will try to uninstall, reboot and than reinstall it 18.07.38 # and see if something happens 18.08.27 # you could try that. or you could see if renaming the cygwin1.dll from those app folders (e.g. rename to cygwin1.dll.old) fixes it 18.08.42 # * stripwax hates apps that install their 'own' version of cygwin libs 18.09.37 # let me see 18.09.46 # Motosuwa - then if those other apps still work, delete the cygwin1.dll.old too 18.09.58 # what's the version of the .dll that cygwin install? 18.11.29 # "the latest" 18.11.39 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C6D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.12.32 # would I be asking too much if I asked you to send me the .dll that you have in your cygwin/bin folder? 18.12.48 # Motosuwa - if you just reinstall cygwin you'll get the latest version anyway 18.13.44 # fwiw mine says version 1005.25.0.0 but I haven't updated cygwin for a while so it's probably not "the latest" version, which you would get when you install cygwin 18.14.13 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.14.28 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet06.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 18.15.06 # ok, I will reinstall and see what happens 18.15.17 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 18.15.25 # but first will reboot this pc 18.15.47 # thanks for the help, if if persists I will come back 18.15.57 Quit Motosuwa ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 18.18.32 Quit c0untrymonk3yweb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.19.01 # hey, got all the packages, looked in ipod_fw.c and what do i see? #include "getopt.c" !! 18.21.03 Quit tri170391 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.21.30 # that's right 18.22.07 # so, it must be shipped with the rockbox src, but it isn't there! found it on koders. 18.22.28 Quit GodEater_ ("Leaving") 18.22.35 # it isn't a rockbox source file, it's a standard function 18.22.42 # but, it has a lot of compile errors... 18.23.04 # the filename is in quotes... 18.23.06 # let me see if I can locate the version I have for cygwin. I don't know what you've downloaded from koders.. 18.23.34 Quit Robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.26.57 Join webguest67 [0] (n=534c638c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9c9724e29957d13f) 18.27.19 # searching my cygwin root for getopt.c 18.28.19 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.29.49 Quit webguest67 (Client Quit) 18.32.21 # Fedorageek920 - hm, why is __WIN32__ defined on your cygwin setup? for me, ipod_fw.c doesn't need getopt.c because __WIN32__ is not defined. 18.32.51 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@096-022-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.35.39 Part J-23 18.36.24 # cd 18.36.38 # Fedorageek920: getopt.c is not part of the rockbox source 18.37.04 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net) 18.42.17 # i found it! 18.42.59 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-327682.home.otenet.gr) 18.43.18 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 18.46.51 Join Flamingo [0] (n=Stas@sh-26125.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 18.46.51 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.47.09 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E1EF.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.18 # Can't delete the .rockbox map on my iPod 18.47.25 # Says that it's damaged 18.47.38 # Flamingo - what is "the .rockbox map" ? 18.47.52 # The .rockbox map on my iPod 18.48.03 # what does "map" mean? 18.48.09 # alksdma 18.48.11 # ? 18.48.17 # Sorry my english's crappy today 18.48.19 # I mean folder 18.48.30 # Flamingo - are you running rockbox 18.48.38 # No. 18.49.09 # Is this a rockbox question then? ;-) So you're trying to delete it from e.g. Windows with your ipod connected but running the apple firmware? 18.49.36 # I have apple and iPodlinux installed on it. 18.50.17 # you didn't answer my question though - how are you 'trying' to delete the .rockbox folder? What is telling you "it's damaged" ? 18.50.44 # I'm trying to delete it from the iPod folder 18.50.47 # Because it won't load 18.51.10 # Flamingo - *how* are you trying to delete it? thanks. 18.51.19 # Rightclick > delete 18.51.30 # From Windows? 18.51.34 # Yes 18.51.41 # Run a checkdisk on it 18.51.49 # Checkdisk? 18.52.05 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 18.52.13 # Properties -> Tools -> Check Now from My Computer 18.52.36 # Would you be wanting to reinstall rockbox afterwards ? or never want to run rockbox again? 18.52.56 # Reinstalling it 18.53.07 # And replacing the rockbox map won't work 18.53.07 # cool. see what checkdisk says first 18.53.43 # sounds like something has corrupted the ipod in some way, which checkdisk should be able to fix for you. then you should be able to reinstall rockbox. 18.54.03 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C6D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.05 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.54.06 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 18.54.20 # I'll redownload it first 18.56.35 # Still checking 18.56.48 Quit Fedorageek920 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 18.57.12 Join Fedorageek920 [0] (n=chatzill@c-75-68-244-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) 19.00.21 # test 19.02.34 # stripwax it's almost done \o/ 19.02.58 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 19.03.14 # Nevermind... 19.03.33 # Didn't check the "fix" problems option 19.04.06 # Yay it's done \o/ 19.04.34 Join Hilikus [0] (n=ROCKERO@bas2-montreal45-1242555202.dsl.bell.ca) 19.04.54 # Oh fuck 19.05.01 # stripwax it's still there! 19.06.41 # Flamingo: language please 19.06.49 # hey guys, is there a calendar for rockbox? hopefully compatible with google calendar 19.06.54 # Flamingo- what's still where? 19.07.00 # The rockbox 19.07.13 # You've run checkdisk, did it fix any problems? Have you tried deleting it now? 19.07.17 # It doesn't show up in the iPod folder 19.07.18 # Checkdisk isn't going to "delete rockbox" 19.07.34 # ;__; 19.07.38 # Replacing it now 19.07.46 # It doesn't show up in the iPod folder? But it's still there? I don't understand what you are saying unfortunately 19.07.54 # Fedorageek920: I don't know if you've solved your ipod_fw problem, but you don't need ipod_fw to compile or install Rockbox. I'll remove it from the Makefile in SVN now... 19.08.16 # okay thanks 19.08.22 # Yeah just rebooted my iPod 19.08.22 # Fedorageek920 - any luck finding out why __WIN32__ is set on your system? 19.08.41 # And it said that it couldn't load Rockbox.ipod 19.08.43 # my system is windows... 19.09.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.13 # Fedorageek920 - so is mine, but when I build rockbox from cygwin it doesn't seem that __WIN32__ is set. I could be wrong.. 19.09.37 # i have no idea. 19.09.45 # how do i un-set it? 19.09.46 # e.g. if I change #include "getopt.c" to #include "getopt.xyz" I can still build ipod_fw on cygwin on windows .. 19.10.03 # right. 19.10.21 # is it possible to un-set it? 19.12.16 # Fedorageek920: Just do "svn update", then re-run ../tools/configure and it won't attempt to build ipod_fw any more. 19.12.26 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.12.31 # right 19.12.39 # Fedorageek920 - are you using cygwin bash to compile or mingw shell? 19.12.48 # cygwin bash 19.13.40 # at a guess you might have some -mno-cygwin options set in your gcc opts 19.13.56 # how can I change those? 19.14.06 # Flamingo - are you up and running rockbox ok now? 19.14.21 # Still copying the files 19.14.27 # Replacing* 19.14.33 # 3 minutes left 19.14.45 # wow, that's slow 19.14.57 # Indeed 19.15.04 # usb 1.1 i guess 19.15.34 # not really 19.15.55 # does anyone here use the Contact plugin? 19.17.36 # woo! it's compiling! 19.17.46 # There's a Contact plugin? 19.18.05 # I've never seen it... 19.18.11 # Fedorageek920 - can you post the output of the shell command 'set' to pastebin please? 19.18.40 # sure, just a sec... 19.20.00 # IT WORKS \m/ 19.20.36 # here: 19.20.51 # !::='::\' 19.20.53 # !C:='C:\cygwin\bin' 19.20.54 # ALLUSERSPROFILE='C:\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINDOWS' 19.20.56 # APPDATA='C:\Documents and Settings\DillonB\Application Data' 19.20.59 # BASH=/usr/bin/bash 19.21.01 # BASH_ARGC=() 19.21.03 # BASH_ARGV=() 19.21.03 # Fedorageek920 - STOP 19.21.04 # BASH_LINENO=() 19.21.06 # BASH_SOURCE=() 19.21.08 # STOP NOW! 19.21.08 # BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="3" [1]="2" [2]="33" [3]="18" [4]="release" [5]="i686-pc-cygwin") 19.21.10 # BASH_VERSION='3.2.33(18)-release' 19.21.11 # CLIENTNAME=Console 19.21.13 # COMMONPROGRAMFILES='C:\Program Files\Common Files' 19.21.14 # COMPUTERNAME=DILLON 19.21.16 # COMSPEC='C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe' 19.21.18 # CVS_RSH=/bin/ssh 19.21.20 # DIRSTACK=() 19.21.20 # CAN YOU STOP IMMEDIATELY 19.21.21 # EUID=400 19.21.23 # FP_NO_HOST_CHECK=NO 19.21.25 # GROUPS=() 19.21.27 # HISTFILE='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB/.bash_history' 19.21.29 # HISTFILESIZE=500 19.21.31 # HISTSIZE=500 19.21.33 # HOME='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB' 19.21.34 # HOMEDRIVE=C: 19.21.36 # HOMEPATH='\Documents and Settings\DillonB' 19.21.38 # HOSTNAME=dillon 19.21.39 # HOSTTYPE=i686 19.21.41 # IFS=$' \t\n' 19.21.42 # INFOPATH=/usr/local/info:/usr/share/info:/usr/info: 19.21.44 # LOGONSERVER='\\DILLON' 19.21.46 # MACHTYPE=i686-pc-cygwin 19.21.47 # MAILCHECK=60 19.21.49 # MAKE_MODE=unix 19.21.51 # MANPATH=/usr/local/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/man::/usr/ssl/man 19.21.52 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 19.21.52 # NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=1 19.21.54 # OLDPWD=/usr/bin 19.21.56 # OPTERR=1 19.21.58 # OPTIND=1 19.22.00 # OS=Windows_NT 19.22.02 # OSTYPE=cygwin 19.22.04 # PATH='/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v1.1.4322/:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Borland/BDS/4.0/Bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/System32/Wbem:/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB/My Documents/Borland Studio Projects/Bpl:/usr/lib/lapack' 19.22.09 # PATHEXT='.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH' 19.22.10 # I'd guess you are new at this then Fedorageek920 ?? ;) 19.22.11 # PIPESTATUS=([0]="0") 19.22.13 # PPID=1 19.22.15 # PRINTER= 19.22.17 # PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=x86 19.22.19 # PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER='x86 Family 15 Model 0 Stepping 7, GenuineIntel' 19.22.21 # PROCESSOR_LEVEL=15 19.22.23 # PROCESSOR_REVISION=0007 19.22.25 # PROGRAMFILES='C:\Program Files' 19.22.27 # PROMPT='$P$G' 19.22.29 # PS1='\[\e]0;\w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' 19.22.31 # PS2='> ' 19.22.32 # Fedorageek920: /flushbuffer 19.22.33 # PS4='+ ' 19.22.35 # PWD='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB' 19.22.37 # SESSIONNAME=Console 19.22.39 # SHELL=/bin/sh 19.22.41 # SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:history:interactive-comments:monitor 19.22.43 # SHLVL=1 19.22.45 # SYSTEMDRIVE=C: 19.22.45 # How to get out of Rockpaint? 19.22.47 # SYSTEMROOT='C:\WINDOWS' 19.22.49 # TEMP=/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/DillonB/LOCALS~1/Temp 19.22.51 # TERM=cygwin 19.22.53 # TEXDOCVIEW_dvi='cygstart %s' 19.22.55 # TEXDOCVIEW_html='cygstart %s' 19.22.57 # TEXDOCVIEW_pdf='cygstart %s' 19.22.58 # oh dear 19.22.59 # TEXDOCVIEW_ps='cygstart %s' 19.23.01 # TEXDOCVIEW_txt='cygstart %s' 19.23.03 # TMP=/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/DillonB/LOCALS~1/Temp 19.23.05 # UID=400 19.23.06 # Nevermind 19.23.07 # USER=DillonB 19.23.09 # USERDOMAIN=DILLON 19.23.11 # USERNAME=DillonB 19.23.13 # USERPROFILE='C:\Documents and Settings\DillonB' 19.23.15 # WINDIR='C:\WINDOWS' 19.23.17 # _=set 19.23.19 # f= 19.23.21 # you asked me to post set... 19.23.30 # on 19.23.31 # to *pastebin* 19.23.31 # No, he asked you to post it to pastebin... 19.23.39 # in a pastebin !! 19.23.44 # what is pastebin... 19.23.56 # http://pastebin.ca (for example) 19.24.01 # could have asked before pasting to irc .. ! 19.24.05 # hahahahaha 19.24.07 # http://rafb.net/paste/ 19.24.27 # You're not the first, and you won't be the last.. welcome to the paste-too-much club 19.24.37 # sorry 19.25.05 Join Cruleworld [0] (n=Crulewor@71.239.117.120) 19.25.36 # http://rafb.net/p/arjv8263.html 19.25.50 # better? 19.26.09 # I'm using iPodlinux 19.26.16 # And I installed rockbox 19.26.31 # How to switch between those two? ;__; 19.26.57 # ipl loader 2 19.27.06 # How to install it? 19.27.30 # it's kind of hard... what ipod do you have? 19.27.39 # Nano first gen 19.27.51 # same as me. let me find the url 19.29.16 # got it: http://ipodlinux.org/Loader2 19.30.21 # Fedorageek920 - well, I don't see any unusual gcc flags in there .. so actually I'm still at a loss to explain why your build thinks it needs to define __WIN32__ 19.30.45 # wierd 19.32.21 # How to install loader2 on Windows? 19.32.40 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 19.33.10 # you have ipodpatcher.exe? 19.33.13 # Flamingo/Fedorageek920 - note that questions regarding ipl loader and ipodlinux in general are off topic here.. 19.33.28 # I do 19.33.36 # ;___; 19.33.45 # whoops 19.34.01 # * BigBambi sighs at all the crap in the logs 19.34.41 Part Cruleworld ("Leaving") 19.35.05 # there's instructions on the page. 19.36.16 # Hmmmmmm... 19.36.28 # How to uninstall Rockbox? 19.36.42 # Look in the manual 19.36.51 # It has uninstall instructions 19.38.00 Join keanu [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 19.38.57 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.187) 19.39.03 Quit mf0102 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.39.40 Part toffe82 19.42.56 Join stripwax__ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.43.37 # j0tt, around? 19.45.36 # oop, still got a compile error: 19.45.38 # cpp0: config.h: No such file or directory 19.45.43 # create sysfont.h 19.45.45 # Header parsed 19.45.47 # Cant create /rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.c 19.49.59 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-226-220.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 19.50.20 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6DEA.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.56.53 # Fedorageek920 - config.h should exist. 19.57.07 # you ran ../tools/configure and then make, both from your build directory? 19.57.46 # yes i did 19.58.33 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.58.36 # i am building ipod nano normal build just so you know. 19.59.21 # does ../firmware/export/config.h exist? 19.59.37 # oh. type 'which make' 20.00.27 # does anyone use rockcalendar or Contacts? 20.01.15 # It does. once this build attempt is done I'll do the which make thing. 20.01.28 # I thought you said the compilation already failed? 20.01.29 # Hilikus: I don't. Why do you ask? 20.01.52 # I keep trying. /usr/bin/make 20.01.54 # i would like to know if any of those have a chance of being comitted 20.02.16 # ok 20.02.23 # and i read that rockcalendar is not inculded cause apparently rockbox already has a calendar, but i cant find it 20.02.51 Quit Ramla (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.03.11 # Hilikus: What FS number? 20.03.37 # whats FS? to me FS is file system 20.03.44 # Flyspray 20.03.51 Part flx|lurk 20.04.00 # Hilikus: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 20.04.00 # FS#4760 20.04.09 # See the FS there? :) 20.04.16 # should i move config.h from ../firmware/export to build dir? 20.04.20 # no 20.04.30 # and 20.04.31 # FS#4728 20.04.34 # what should i do, then? 20.04.45 # BigBambi yes, i noticed that :) 20.05.38 # Fedorageek920 - not sure, unfortunately. At a guess it doesn't seem like your cygwin build environment is set up correctly, but that could be a red herring. 20.05.59 # What was make building when you got the missing config.h error? 20.06.06 # i.e. what was it doing before that 20.06.29 # actually I have to head out so I won't be able to answer .. 20.06.37 # * stripwax will be back later on .. 20.07.02 # make[1] 'bmp2rb' is up to date. 20.07.40 # Slasheri: there? 20.09.17 Quit Redbreva (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.10.25 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 20.13.23 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-241-136.dsl.telepac.pt) 20.16.53 Join Ramla [0] (n=ramla@c03.keltti.jyu.fi) 20.18.52 # can you start playing an album from pictureFlow? 20.25.54 # not yet 20.26.38 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.30.46 Join enialis [0] (n=tony@athedsl-141748.home.otenet.gr) 20.34.39 # its looking awesome 20.34.56 # i dont like the fact that it shows albums that dont have cover art 20.34.58 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.38.26 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 20.39.33 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.40.30 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 20.40.41 # ok, the text viewer goes wonky sometimes. to describe it, after a while (these are really long text files) of scrolling it jumps back a few pages and if you scroll back down as soon as you get to the part where it jumped, it jumps back again to the exact part. 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Doesn't the process require knowledge of the features of the build? 21.09.14 # Hilikus: usually the cross compiler gets the target as prefix 21.09.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.11 # bluebrother: the features are now in the rockbox-info.txt 21.10.41 # and Bagder built a genlang.cgi to parse the lang files, so rbutil doesnt need them.. 21.10.43 # ah ... 21.11.02 # so you can retrieve a list of strings using that cgi? 21.11.47 # you give target, revision and features and lang to the script, and get the output of genlang -o (ie a list with the ids and the voice entry) 21.12.04 # nice. 21.12.19 # yup.. :-) 21.12.52 # maybe the target language should default to the language rbutil is using ;-) 21.13.08 Join Jay_1 [0] (n=George@c-69-143-160-22.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 21.13.10 # there is a dropdown, you can choose... 21.13.33 # but good defaults arnt bad.. also for the language config of the sapi script.. 21.13.44 # yep, but it doesn't have a sensible default. And the list seems to be unsorted. 21.14.14 # i just included a list of all languages.. sorting wouldnt be bad... :-) 21.14.25 # hehe :) 21.14.29 Part Jay_1 21.14.38 # but i just wanted it working, polishing can come later.. :-) 21.14.43 # it's really annoying to be cut from upstream :( 21.15.01 Join Jay_1 [0] (n=George@c-69-143-160-22.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 21.15.09 # indeed. 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However the OF does some weird stuff, making the music directory hidden for example 21.35.44 # s/rocking/rockbox 21.36.16 # bistouri: FAT32 doesn't support file or directory permissions 21.36.50 # But now I reread I see what you mean 21.37.03 # But if at least the OF can read it, this can't be the case 21.37.06 # and chmod doesn't convert directories into files. 21.37.23 # maybe the filesystem is corrupt or the flash is broken 21.37.43 # try chkdsk /f on windows (or fsck.vfat) 21.37.50 Quit Alonea ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 21.38.09 # As bertrik says, are you sure it isn't just hidden? The OF hides the music folder, and neither rockbox nor windows will see it by default if it is hidden. You need to turn on view hidden files in windows, and set rockbox to view all files, not just supported 21.38.10 # you suppose too he has a borken corrupted file system ? 21.39.07 # * bluebrother^ always forgets what a vanilla windows hides from the user 21.39.29 # htanks for helps, recovery programs didn't managed to repair files and he applied a sansa.fmt method 21.40.40 Quit bluebrother^ ("cu guys another day") 21.42.06 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.49 Quit bistouri ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.48.06 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-075-078-176.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.57.28 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 21.59.31 Quit dionoea ("New server") 22.00.50 Quit ch4os_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.00.58 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 22.11.08 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@light.sunsetab.denison.edu) 22.18.07 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 22.27.31 Join Cruleworld [0] (n=Crulewor@71.239.117.120) 22.27.53 Part Cruleworld ("Leaving") 22.31.32 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-126-19.calhoun.resnet.clemson.edu) 22.34.51 Quit roolku () 22.36.29 Quit Buschel () 22.38.32 Join [_bb] [0] (i=wirc@208.102.82.97) 22.38.32 Quit bb05 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.44.47 # That "interesting tidbit" about PP5002 linked from PortalPlayer was proven wrong months ago 22.45.01 Join bb05 [0] (i=wirc@208.102.82.97) 22.45.28 # Rockbox plays ogg nicely on 1st..3rd Gen ipods since the clock setup for PP5002 was fixed 22.51.51 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@e176247106.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.52.06 # * n1s bets hell will freeze before apple supports more codecs (that they didn't come up with themselves) in the ipods... 22.54.12 Quit desowin () 22.54.48 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-219-207-177.asm.bellsouth.net) 22.54.54 Quit Domonoky_ (Client Quit) 22.58.56 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-71-203-172-58.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.58.57 # are you under the impression they came up with AAc, n1s? 22.59.26 # i was more thinking of alac... but no 23.00.28 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 23.02.51 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@e176247106.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.04.33 Quit [_bb] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.07.57 Join uwe__ [0] (n=uwe@dslb-084-056-046-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.09.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.11 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.12.33 Quit Arathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.12.46 # * jhMikeS reads the logs concerning some wondering about scheduler code 23.13.02 # Llorean, my Viewports builds are "unsupported" - but only have the one patch - make people go to flyspray or not? 23.14.11 Join Hans-Martin [0] (n=hmm@bchm-4d091634.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.14.40 Join Craig [0] (n=craig_an@125-236-168-248.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) 23.15.53 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 23.16.19 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 23.17.48 Join rasher_ [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 23.18.03 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.187) 23.19.20 Quit uwe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.19.48 # *grrrmm 23.19.54 # gcc is braindead 23.20.36 Quit rasher (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.36 Nick rasher_ is now known as rasher (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 23.21.00 # I did a test in the greylib as a preparation for optional iram usage in the greylib: making _grey_info a pointer to a struct _grey_info 23.21.11 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@69.92.201.36) 23.21.36 Quit Ebert () 23.21.39 # gcc breaks on it? 23.21.40 # Just that single change dropped frame rate on recorder from 24.5 fps to 19.2 fps (fullscreen grey_ub_gray_bitmap()) 23.22.20 # Then I put the pointer into a local variable of that function, bringing frame rate back up to 24.3 fps 23.22.43 # I was thinking you'd just provide the actual static definition of _gray_info yourself and keep the non-pointer syntax 23.23.50 # There would be a problem 23.24.05 # The name would then have to be fixed 23.24.34 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-57cd71ba01ec1611) 23.25.03 # or cheat a little with a macro. GRAY_INFO_DECLARE/GRAY_INFO_DECLARE_IRAM or the like :) 23.25.17 # ? 23.25.39 # All the functions in grey_*.c use _grey_info. right now 23.25.52 # How would a macro be able to change that? 23.26.12 # #define GREY_INFO_DECLARE struct _grey_info and #define GREY_INFO_DECLARE_IRAM struct _grey_info IBSS_ATTR 23.26.35 # hmm.... 23.26.50 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 23.26.51 # of course I messed up the syntax there but I think it gets the idea accross 23.27.08 # hey guys 23.27.23 # any ideas on why the text viewer is wonky now? 23.27.27 # Then every plugin using the greylib would have to do that... but it would keep the lib code itself the same 23.27.54 # yeah, just a one-liner do it's not too troublesome 23.28.45 # hmm 23.29.43 # It just struck me that the api pointer could be part of the _grey_info struct 23.30.30 # Doing so could save some extra accesses depending on architecture 23.31.24 # jhMikeS: i wanted to ask you about the possibility of running the WPS on the COP 23.31.53 # theres been some interest in that lately now that Buschel wants to reduce the default clock rate on PP further in order to save power in MPC/FLAC and other low CPU codecs 23.32.22 # I don't think that lowering the default clock further would be a good idea 23.32.44 # That is, unless we introduce multiple boost levels, which would increase complexity a lot 23.33.03 # Even 30MHz are alreay pretty low for the UI on colour targets 23.33.37 # boosting for interaction is probably a good idea anyway 23.33.38 # in Buschel's FS entry he muses over the idea of boosting on UI interaction. 23.33.38 # amiconn: I think he wants to implement some kind of boosting when the ui is active 23.33.47 # tripple jynx. 23.33.53 # triple even 23.33.56 # A full boost would be overkill imo 23.33.58 # it's actually a good idea, Buschel's ideas or not 23.33.59 # saratoga: could work but tricky with things the way they are 23.34.44 # The cop shouldn't do any ui stuff imho 23.35.01 # The main thread runs on the cpu, and that's where the wps lives 23.35.35 # the last time i proposed boosting on button press, a lot of people felt that using the COP to spread out the CPU load was a better idea 23.36.13 # Boosting on button press might waste a lot of power, depending on unit usage 23.36.16 # the problems with doing that really crop up from the way input is handled 23.36.56 # amiconn: of course, but so does backlight and disk spinups and what not 23.37.05 # I think that it would make most sense to offload audio decoding onto the cop 23.37.11 # it would still make much snappier ui 23.37.15 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.37.33 # boosting would work on coldfire targets too... 23.37.38 # The ui is very snappy atm, except on ipod video. And that's something that can be fixed 23.37.42 # audio decoding on COP does make the most sense then the CPU is pretty free for plugins 23.38.04 # amiconn: "people" do complain about laggy ui 23.38.13 # On what target(s)? 23.38.19 # pp ones 23.38.21 # like the sansas 23.39.00 # scolling alot tends to drain the pcm buffer 23.39.18 # the sansa's UI seems to lag for a moment when you first press the buttons i've noticed 23.39.46 # As I already said, the 16 bit mono bitmap drawing is not really optimised 23.40.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.41.13 # * n1s makes his first commit for the year :) 23.41.38 Quit BHSPitLappy (Success) 23.42.36 Part Sandman333 23.43.42 # why does the PP5003 product brief say it has a "vector floating point unit" 23.45.06 # 5003 = 5002+FPU? 23.45.25 # the 5003 is said to be almost a 5020 23.46.02 # odd that they dropped that in subsequent models 23.46.10 # assuming its not a mistake in the brief 23.46.49 # whoever wrote it probably had no chip docs :p 23.47.52 Join telliott [0] (n=Tim@68-179-148-40.bsr-c3-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 23.48.27 # I have a quick question about my Archos V1 recorder. 23.49.18 # telliott: then ask.. 23.49.47 # Anyone have a problem where rockbos isn't scanning folders. I was stuck in a subfolder. 23.50.21 # I could only go back to the main menu. 23.51.08 # I had to view the current playlist to "break out" 23.51.52 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 23.51.55 # What build are you using? 23.52.09 # This sounds like an old bug 23.52.54 # I just upgraded a few minutes ago. It may have been a side affect of flashing the .ucl 23.54.03 # I love that I'm using the V1 long after I was "supposed" to toss it and upgrade. 23.56.33 Join pie [0] (n=pie@cpe-72-134-41-232.socal.res.rr.com) 23.56.58 # Hmm. Maybe that old bug is back for some reason 23.57.22 # If it is, it should affect all targets, as the file browser isn't target dependent 23.58.10 # It seems to be working now. 23.58.48 # What hardware do you have, amiconn?