--- Log for 22.01.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 13 hours and 26 minutes ago 00.00.13 # can't this be done remotely? 00.00.19 # I better mail him 00.00.27 # Is that the one producing the Sim warnings? 00.00.43 # No, it's the one failing the mr500 build 00.00.57 # ...because it still has no multilibs-enabled arm-elf-gcc 00.01.42 # The sim warnings happen on many build servers now. gcc 4.2.x. 00.02.06 # I am posting a malformed patch to the task (8465). I don't know what's wrong. Hopefully somebody will be able to figure it out. 00.02.15 # I mailed Brad now, owner of fnarfbargle.com 00.02.56 # countrymonkey: How did you generate the patch? 00.03.37 # * linuxstb reads back 10 minutes... 00.03.41 # I made the patch thenm from some suggestions editted the patch file directly. 00.03.57 # tsk tsk tsk 00.04.15 # what 00.04.30 # editing patches directly ;) 00.04.56 # What other choice did I have? 00.05.10 # besides patching then diffing? 00.05.17 # That... 00.05.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.06.52 # hmmm I thought FS#8488 was fixed some time ago or is my memory failing (again)? 00.07.23 Join webguest85 [0] (n=443a7efb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-54b0167a9e098cfa) 00.07.26 # Maybe MoB reintroduced it? 00.07.36 # * petur tries 00.08.23 Quit webguest85 (Client Quit) 00.08.42 Join eigma [0] (i=eigma@216.48.162.210) 00.08.58 # eigma: machine seemed to do just fine 00.09.40 # you have an enigma machine? 00.10.00 # right, an enigma machine doing builds ;-) 00.10.19 # lol 00.11.05 # * scorche|w taps his foot waiting for his message to show... 00.11.15 # hrm...i guess not 00.11.39 # the window for the joke has closed anyway :( 00.12.11 # hehehe 00.12.20 # multicore enigma machine 00.12.34 # I was going to say, looks like I'm churning out builds: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20080121T223349Z.html 00.12.56 # eigma: so were you in seattle too? 00.13.09 # nope 00.13.18 # I'm from and in Canadia 00.13.40 # hrm...why was i thinking that.. 00.13.49 # silly enough checking that list made me realize my own host wasn't included 00.14.01 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 00.14.24 # eigma: The place is Canada. 00.14.39 # ;) 00.14.48 # Ottawa here; you? 00.15.38 # Not in canada. And posted a fixed patch. Didn't remove sysfont string from patch. Kept it gone since those don't show right anyway. 00.18.40 # The LANG_SYSFONT_ strings a a nasty hack anyway. 00.19.07 # indeed 00.19.24 # the recording screen can have a nice rework once the viewports are in 00.19.48 # a fixed top part and a scrollable list below that 00.19.52 Quit ender` (" (Coder's Ditty) 100 little bugs in the code, 100 bugs in the code, fix one bug, compile it again, 102 little bugs in the co") 00.19.55 # * amiconn wonders if our "gui experts" will do something useful and rewrite those sysfont screens in a flexible and efficient way for userfont 00.20.32 # * petur had some wild ideas about the recording screen, but no time at all :( 00.21.02 Quit petur (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.04 # So now is the patch commitable? 00.23.17 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.23.20 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 00.23.48 # * petur gives ubuntu an angry look 00.23.53 # S 00.24.19 # So now is the patch committable? (for petur's benifite; he missed it) 00.24.23 # * eigma <3 Ubuntu. 00.24.30 # I read the log... 00.24.40 # oh. 00.25.06 # eigma: it gave a low batt warning, I plug it into mains and 30 seconds later it forces a shutdown anyway :( 00.25.34 Quit obo ("bye") 00.26.16 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ca02232ba1e5ac5) 00.26.21 # petur: who did what where? 00.26.24 # #test 00.26.37 # eigma: nevermind ;) 00.26.54 # *test 00.27.03 # * petur kicks robin0800 00.27.11 # we saw the first "#test" but not the second one, "*test" 00.27.20 # rofl 00.28.25 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.28.50 Nick j0tt is now known as jott (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 00.29.23 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 00.29.53 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.31.27 # I don't think robin0800 is human. 00.31.39 # with the viewport list patch is there a way to refresh the background so this doesn't happen http://www.divshare.com/download/3558318-c8a 00.32.03 # petur: Viewports _are_ in - they're ready for people to adapt the apps/ code... 00.32.43 # countrymonkey: why did you remove the user: line in espagnol.lang line 10762? 00.33.25 # linuxstb: oh sorry... 00.33.44 # linuxstb: viewports are in svn now 00.33.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.34.06 Join asn [0] (n=asn@athedsl-114796.home.otenet.gr) 00.34.24 # jac0b: That's what I just told petur (I committed them...) 00.34.46 # Newest patch? 00.35.00 # #rockbox echo test 00.35.00 # cool 00.35.21 # countrymonkey, jac0b: I'm only talking about the changes to implement viewports in the LCD drivers, not the WPS or list patches. 00.35.24 # on #rockbox echo test 00.35.45 # robin0800: stop that. 00.36.11 # okay I thought you meant for all 00.36.33 # I'm talking about 8465. 00.36.56 # countrymonkey: yes, and did you intend to change the translation of LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP? 00.37.02 # have you seen this before 00.37.03 # http://www.divshare.com/download/3558318-c8a 00.37.55 # if you go to change the theme the bar freezes in the background 00.37.55 # I just added the voice string, so the answer is yes. 00.39.06 # amiconn: wait... we have gui experts? 00.39.35 # countrymonkey: you removed the translation of LANG_LOADING_PERCENT, and regarding LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP, the translation was changed from "Parar" to "Para". 00.39.56 # JdGordon|w: I'm at rewriting your list patch a but. It doesn't work yet, but it would be nice if you tell me if it looks "ok" 00.40.03 # a bit* 00.40.28 # Hate this stuff. 00.40.53 # countrymonkey: you'll have to clean up that mess, I found more translations that you are removing in that patch. Shall I just reject it? ;) 00.40.58 # kugel: sure... but unless you want MS to own the (c) its best i leave it till i get home 00.41.15 # pastebin? 00.41.21 # do you work for MS? 00.41.45 # they own my brain while im at this desk... and yes 00.41.54 # that would explain a lot :p 00.42.13 # :) 00.42.31 # Just reject the damn thing. 00.42.44 # JdGordon|w: So you are one of the guys we can blame for vista? :) 00.43.15 # countrymonkey: done... 00.44.17 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.44.23 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.44.33 # thx a lot. I'll post another patch now. Different purpose 00.44.45 # hrmpf 00.45.20 Join DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 00.46.53 # update to chinese translations on the way. 00.48.26 # no excuse this time: did in rasher's editor 00.53.16 # jhMikeS: it looks like the recent kernel changes have broken SPC 00.56.34 # countrymonkey: is that patch on its way or will it take some time? 00.57.08 # nm 00.57.39 Quit Redbreva ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.58.28 # 8494 done and posted 00.58.44 # I speak manderin chinese, so it should be good. 01.00.48 # is it better than your Spanish? :p 01.00.54 Quit jac0b ("Ex-Chat") 01.01.51 # You could say that. And my japanese is in the middle. It was a mistype in the spanish (I don't speak it). 01.02.15 # And yes, I speak 3 langs. 01.03.45 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.03.53 Quit stewball () 01.04.38 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.05.04 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser@layl001.digis.net) 01.05.45 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.07.20 # thx. 01.08.49 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 01.10.18 Quit robin0800 (" Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01.12.10 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 01.13.01 # Oh, by the way, my comp doesn't support typing of chinese chars so I google translated and than validated the translation. 01.15.37 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 01.19.40 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.42 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 01.23.12 Quit qweru ("moo") 01.23.51 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 01.29.02 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 01.29.59 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Leaving") 01.31.15 Join robin0800_ [0] (n=robin@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 01.31.40 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 01.32.16 Quit robin0800_ (Client Quit) 01.32.27 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 01.32.37 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.41 Join spr0k3t [0] (n=spr0k3t@user-0c93sh8.cable.mindspring.com) 01.39.11 # Nico_P: have any other key combos been nescessary to put a gigabeat S in recovery mode? mine won't go. 01.39.39 # hcs: how could that be? it should have no effect and it was working for me. 01.39.40 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 01.40.04 # jhMikeS: all I know is it's freezing my ipod color now 01.40.24 Quit asn ("Lost terminal") 01.42.15 # hcs: instantly? H10 is running fine and the threading build is the same for those. 01.42.24 # jhMikeS: holding left + windows doesn't do? 01.42.27 Quit cool_walking_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.42.33 # Nico_P: nope. 01.42.42 # jhMikeS: the first time I tried it was a few seconds, but now it is instantly 01.43.16 # jhMikeS: you have to do it real quick after having switched the battery off then on again 01.43.40 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.44.57 # Nico_P: been trying holding it while powering. trying it quickly and so on. it refuses to go there. 01.45.29 # hcs: btw, did you try it with a boost count added? 01.46.36 # jhMikeS: no, how would I do that? 01.46.45 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ff962b31c70545ab) 01.47.15 # hcs: System|Debug|CPU Frequency 01.47.51 # add some boost counts so it stays at 80MHz. 01.49.16 # jhMikeS: I really don't know what to say... I just flip the switch then before the progressbar appears, press the combo until the recovery screen appears 01.49.23 # jhMikeS: no luck, same freeze 01.50.07 # * jhMikeS naturally has to end up with some weird version of an S 01.51.40 # hcs: it traces precisely to the revision with that change? what about mpegplayer? 01.51.55 # jhMikeS: you do get the blue gigabeat screen, then the white windows mobile screen? 01.52.00 # both with a progressbar 01.52.07 # Nico_P: yes 01.52.14 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.52.16 # jhMikeS: no, I haven't done any proper research, just jumped to a conclusion 01.52.30 # jhMikeS: and have you tried sending a firmware file with sendfirm? 01.52.32 Quit JdGordon|w ("CGI:IRC") 01.53.02 # Nico_P: not yet. did step 1. got stuck on step 2. 01.53.45 # is there some site where i can find h/w specs for a sansa express? 01.53.48 # I take it that using the hacked installer involves modding the "gigabeat V" unicode strings only? 01.54.00 # jhMikeS: yes 01.54.37 # should I try the updater anyway? 01.55.00 Quit robin0800 () 01.55.28 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 01.55.45 # jhMikeS: I guess the hacked V updater should be ok 01.56.10 # simonrvn: check the wiki and the thread in the new ports forum 01.56.16 # i believe that is all that is known about it 01.56.18 # sendfirm requires more precautions, as without the recovery mode you'll be in trouble if you don't send a correct nk.bin 01.56.25 # saratoga: thanks 01.57.00 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 01.57.09 # i'll check it out after my sid update =) 01.58.00 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-167b5231dbcb8eba) 01.59.01 Part pixelma 01.59.17 # I don't understand 8495. Can somebody explain it to me further about why it was closed? 01.59.50 # Nico_P: this is the first device I've had that doesn't seem to do what others' do. it's either broken or there's a set of S models with different keypresses but heck if I know what it could be. 02.00.00 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.00.00 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.00.28 # jhMikeS: you could try combos of a direction + one of "back" or "win" 02.01.25 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-THIRTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) 02.02.58 # been poking...haven't hit it yet 02.03.47 # jhMikeS: if you try sendfirm be careful to use it with a correct nk.bin file 02.03.51 # hit it 02.03.54 # ah nice 02.03.58 # what was it? 02.04.12 # aright...I think I'm was being incredibly stupid here 02.04.26 # * jhMikeS goes and gets a drink 02.04.32 # hehe 02.04.39 # ...the other left ...not "<---" 02.04.53 # ah yes I think I got confused by that too 02.05.07 # * jhMikeS goes and updates the wiki 02.05.35 # I see the instructions for mknkboot on the wiki page are cleared than they used to be so you should be fine with it 02.06.05 # and with the recovery mode there's no risk at all with sendfirm 02.06.07 # I'll clarify which left is the correct left 02.06.20 # yeah, good idea :) 02.07.08 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 02.16.04 # hmm...keep going to "3 firmware update or restoration required" now 02.18.04 # you need to wait IIRC 02.20.50 # jhMikeS: has it changed to 1? 02.22.02 # if I wait long enough 02.22.19 # yeah, that's why the recovery mode is annoying 02.22.37 # sendfirm makes you save quite some waiting 02.23.10 # it doesn't always work or do you have to go around in circles a bunch of times? 02.24.44 # what do you mean? 02.25.32 # keeps going back after it says it loaded it 02.25.46 # loaded what? 02.26.44 # using the installer in windows 02.27.03 # ah I don't know about that one 02.27.33 # the recover brought it back though 02.27.42 # I strongly recommend sendfirm if you have access to a linux box 02.27.43 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.27.49 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.28.07 # only a VMWare one 02.28.22 # ah, I don't know if it'll work in there 02.28.26 Quit spr0k3t (Connection timed out) 02.28.50 # I'm off to bed 02.28.54 # Why was 8495 closed? I don't understand the comment. 02.29.29 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.32.13 Join spr0k3t [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-171-220.kc.res.rr.com) 02.32.32 Quit tchan (Remote closed the connection) 02.32.55 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 02.33.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.36.20 # jhMikeS: vmware didn't work for me 02.36.38 # jhMikeS: also windows wouldn't work for me either 02.37.04 # jhMikeS: in the end I did it with sendfirm from my kubuntu installation 02.39.09 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 02.40.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.44.10 Join trumpet512 [0] (n=mstecha@c-68-40-204-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.45.02 # e200rpatcher.linux32 won't run for me on Ubuntu Gutsy, any ideas? 02.48.59 # XavierGr: I tried the modded mk.bin using the recovery. Where does .rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat etc. get dumped? 03.00.52 # I think the first order of business here has to be a bootloader USB mode 03.01.30 # fixed my problem: e200rpatcher.linux32 needs to be "chmod 755"'d before it will run 03.04.34 Quit cool_walking_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.04.40 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b265934ca078424b) 03.07.29 Join Anon2997 [0] (n=Anon2997@72-160-199-105.dyn.centurytel.net) 03.07.31 # jhmikes: have you set up the rockbox bootloader? if yes then even without the rockbox.gigabeat you should see an error when you boot rockbox 03.07.34 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.07.36 # holy shyt..... 03.07.59 # once you install the bootloader you can update the .rockbox folder with windows 03.08.22 Part Anon2997 03.11.38 # I only got it to show a rb bootloader when using it plain but not after using mknkboot to join them for dual boot. I'm probably messing something up. :p 03.12.07 # I only had to hassle with sendfirm once 03.12.31 # after the bootloader got flashed I can update the rockbox firmware with normal windows explorer operation 03.12.50 # though it is somewhat annoying that I always have to turn power off reset boot rockbox etc 03.13.54 # you just dump it in the MTP/Storage folder? wasn't working for me. 03.14.23 # hmm, I think it worked for me, (after I got the bootloader flashed) 03.14.34 # because at first I didn't have a .rockbox folder in there 03.14.43 # so the bootloader would just complain and do nothing 03.15.12 # but after I put the .rockbox folder from the mtp/storage folder it booted till the rockbox splash 03.19.30 # I had it in there but restart was only bringing up retailos so something went wrong during the join perhaps 03.20.07 # jhMikeS: if restarting it only brings retailos it means that you don't have the bootloader installed 03.20.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 03.20.27 # even without the .rockbox folder the bootloader should appear when you start the device with hold on 03.20.28 # it is the one I used mknkboot to join 03.20.43 Join webguest20 [0] (n=c3bd8ebe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-951256dd0f89fa87) 03.20.59 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.02 Join webguest99 [0] (n=c3bd8ebe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-86f1deb336a0507d) 03.22.31 Quit webguest20 (Client Quit) 03.22.33 Quit webguest99 (Client Quit) 03.23.06 Part trumpet512 ("Konversation terminated!") 03.23.23 # jhMikeS: I am now confused, you said that resatarting it only brings the retailos 03.26.29 # yeah, with a joined nk.bin 03.28.37 # joined you mean with both OF and rockbox bootloader? 03.33.08 # yeah 03.38.49 # When it comes to voices, is the ipodvideo 32mb and 64mb 2 targets or one? 03.40.06 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-71-29.bchsia.telus.net) 03.40.07 Join trumpet512 [0] (n=mstecha@c-68-40-204-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.40.27 # Haha, new problem now - can't get Ubuntu to mount my device 03.41.27 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-132-042.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.45.07 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.54.32 Quit S (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.59.06 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.08.23 # Can you use the device itself to move files around? My OF.bin is in / but the bootloader is looking in /System/ 04.08.49 # And whenever I plug in to USB, it tries to switch back over to OF 04.09.11 Join webguest27 [0] (n=443a7efb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-222288b22b0e9692) 04.09.38 # You can cut/paste files from the context menu. 04.10.27 Quit webguest27 (Client Quit) 04.10.34 # Aha, thanks :) 04.15.16 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.19.45 # Downloading, via svn, the rockbox source is taking about as long as emerge xwindows. . . 04.33.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.39.50 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 04.40.43 # .rocks are just Rockbox's version of an EXE, right? So I can just write and compile one without needing to care about the rest of Rockbox? 04.41.18 # Or do they depend on pointers and such that change from version to version? 04.41.23 Part trumpet512 ("Konversation terminated!") 04.45.43 # Anyone? 04.45.48 # The second one. 04.46.01 # You can't compile a .rock and expect it to work forever. 04.46.01 # blarg 04.46.23 # It may work through a few versions, but it'll break eventually. 04.47.42 # hmm 04.48.28 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 04.51.34 Quit maddler (No route to host) 04.57.02 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 04.58.40 Join lontra [0] (n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.58.47 # where do i place a theme to install it? 04.59.01 Join BRi7X [0] (n=bri7x@c-76-117-91-200.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 05.00.41 # hey folks, my new (used, and loaded with other person's pictures and music haha) gigabeat arrived today... i'm about to ask a stupid question that will probably be answered with a "no" and maybe even a few "lulz" but... is it possible to format the gigabeat in a different file system like ext3 or something? (i hear fat32 doesn't quite support files over 4GB) 05.01.13 # sure it is possible, but that doesnt mean any firmware is going to read it 05.02.52 # In theory, but it'd be a lot of work to program. And yes, FAT32 cannot use files larger than 4GB. 05.03.50 # But what do you need such large files for? 05.04.41 # my boss needed a 7.5GB file, and i'd like to transfer it to him with the gigabeat, but i suppose i can split it at 3.98GB each 05.05.03 # fyi ... i solved my problem 05.05.04 # oh 05.05.12 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.05.12 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05.17.03 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 05.17.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.17.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6AEE.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.18.15 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.23.05 Quit DrDnar () 05.23.13 Join toffe82 [0] (i=chatzill@static-71-160-73-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.26.53 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 05.35.40 Quit lontra (Remote closed the connection) 05.37.20 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 05.40.33 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.50.13 Join Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 06.12.00 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-71-29.bchsia.telus.net) 06.12.09 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 06.25.19 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 06.33.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.46.05 Quit eigma () 06.49.06 Join maddler [0] (n=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 06.51.53 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp083.hk.centurytel.net) 06.53.07 Part toffe82 06.53.37 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 06.55.10 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 06.58.46 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.58.52 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.06.58 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.07.12 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.08.20 Quit andrew___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.25.42 Quit psycho_maniac (" bedtime") 07.37.25 Quit cool_walking_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.41.58 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.42.21 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.44.42 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.45.13 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 07.50.56 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-199199f58daf42c3) 07.58.03 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 07.58.34 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 08.04.20 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B04D6D.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.12.41 Join webguest08 [0] (n=424b3cb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-828220e4c451b2bc) 08.12.45 # hey 08.13.29 # im just wondering about the capabilities of an ipod video compared to the capabilities of the classic 08.14.03 # not sure 08.14.19 # other than that rockbox doesn't run on the classic 08.14.25 # hehe 08.14.39 # that's one clearcut difference in capabilities 08.14.44 # even if the clssic firmware could be put on the video wouldnt the video not be able to support it due to the low power of the video ipods cpu 08.14.45 # so if you want rockbox, go with the video 08.15.15 # webguest08: the video and the classic have two entirely different cpu:s 08.15.32 # is one just more powerful lol 08.15.42 # they are completely different beasts 08.15.44 # i meen both are slow in terms of computers 08.15.51 # of course they are 08.15.57 # haha 08.15.59 # yta 08.16.00 # either way, this discussion is offtopic... 08.16.09 # pretty much 08.17.46 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.17.47 Quit webguest08 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.18.26 Quit cool_walking_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.18.42 Join w23 [0] (n=w23@gw.nsib.ru) 08.20.08 Join webguest32 [0] (n=424b3cb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2617cf2efafdc42c) 08.20.34 # whats the difference between rockboz and ipod linux? are they caomparable? 08.20.55 # not really...the 2 projects have different goals 08.21.14 # what are some of the goals between the 2? 08.22.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux 08.22.24 Join NielsE [0] (n=niels@5351CEB9.cable.casema.nl) 08.22.48 # IPl likes to focus on "apps and games", while rockbox focuses (most of the time) on being the best audio player it can be 08.22.53 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.24.16 # why are the adio codecs for rockbox not as good as the apple firmwares? 08.24.24 # huh? 08.24.25 # who said that? 08.25.04 # said what? about the codecs? 08.25.07 # yes 08.25.29 # what do you mean by "good" in this case? 08.26.20 # oh that is just my opinion i had rockboz for about a month and it seeded as if the codecs didnt help to produce sound with bass it was like a tone def sound if you know what i meen 08.26.34 # no i dont, really... 08.27.06 # people usually say rockbox sounds better (although that statement isnt necessarily correct either) 08.27.14 # um, i'm logged in on the wiki, but i can't edit my own topic o_O 08.27.53 # like lets say i go and play hip hop it doesnt have as much bass on rockbox as it would if i used the apple firmware 08.28.22 # simonrvn: have you been granted wiki write rights? 08.28.23 # the manual sais something about download.rockbox.org/rbutil, but that page is nonexistent 08.28.32 # webguest32: and have you tested this? 08.28.49 # scorche: trying to edit my own topic. one would assume one can edit one's own topic :) 08.29.03 # * GodEater sees he has arrived in time for another "Rockbox sounds like a bag of shit" conversation :) 08.29.07 # scorche: Main/UserName (this case SimonRaven) 08.29.07 # you didnt anser my question... 08.29.18 # im basing this of personal experience 08.29.21 # no apprently not 08.29.28 # what? 08.29.37 # apparently* 08.29.43 # webguest32: every valid test that have been performed leads to the conclusion that you are imagining that 08.30.07 # although, i would love to see some RMAA tests that prove me wrong.. 08.30.22 # imagining that it doesnt sound the same as apples codecs? 08.30.27 # yes 08.30.42 # if you want more bass, why dont you turn up the low shelf in the EQ? 08.30.46 # um ok 08.31.32 # is it possible for rockbox to ever be compatible with the 6th generation? 08.31.45 # simonrvn: you should have write rights now 08.31.53 # GodEater: thank you 08.31.58 # well, it wont become by itself...someone needs to make the effort :) 08.32.13 # GodEater: confirmed 08.32.45 # simonrvn: now play nice :) 08.32.49 # ya i know that but it seems like the ipod 6th generation is alot more complex in terms of the way it functions 08.33.12 # webguest32: that depends on what you mean by "complex" 08.33.19 # webguest32: you're basing this on ... ? 08.33.26 # the original firmware is not a good indication of that 08.33.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.34.37 # well if it worked the same way as the previous ipods and there was no change u could just take the 5th gen firmware and put it on the 6th gen 08.34.54 # it has different hardware 08.35.12 # this isnt like a program on your computer...embedded development is very different 08.35.51 # you meen how they have to use the strings to put it all together 08.36.00 # no, i dont 08.36.15 # damn, my ipod has stopped working, even before I started installing rockbox >.> it sais it needs a restore from itunes... *sigh* 08.36.31 # NielsE: then restore? 08.36.44 Join webguest37 [0] (n=424b3cb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9cc14c16c64abf86) 08.36.44 Quit webguest32 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.36.46 # yeah, brb, need a reboot for itunes:P 08.36.48 Quit webguest37 (Client Quit) 08.36.53 Quit NielsE ("Konversation terminated!") 08.36.58 Join gregrokz [0] (n=424b3cb2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7e1d16e158b4d9a3) 08.38.10 # GodEater: i will :) 08.38.41 # GodEater: i run 2 instances of twiki on my (slow) server, one of them svn co, heh 08.39.11 # does ipod linux even support 5.5 gen ipod yet? 08.39.24 # depends how you define "support" 08.39.25 # yes...just like we do 08.39.31 # ah...that is true 08.39.37 # it runs on it, but they don't describe it as "supported" 08.39.46 # ok 08.43.22 # deos anything work on the 6th gen yet? 08.43.41 # other than the original firmware, no. 08.43.46 # no, and that is still offtopic 08.44.39 # how is that off topic i was wondering if rockbox or anything works on my 6th gen? 08.45.27 # you have already asked twice... 08.45.53 # well sorry 08.52.32 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 08.52.55 # neat, sigmatel has kernel, toolchain, and other goodies on their site 08.53.36 # * simonrvn hasn't done a cross build in a long time ;) 08.53.42 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.58.45 Join NielsE [0] (n=niels@5351CEB9.cable.casema.nl) 08.59.12 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.00.56 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 09.02.06 # * LinusN is confused by JdGordon's reply to FS#8495 09.02.44 # which was that? 09.02.49 # jhMikeS: been reading the logs... do you know that the old switch is used to select between the rockbox BL and the OF? 09.02.53 # "no quotes" 09.03.12 # LinusN: he surely can't be serious.... 09.03.15 # ah... it was a joke reply.. 09.03.25 # yeah, combination of bad day at work and idiot user 09.03.50 Quit gregrokz ("CGI:IRC") 09.04.00 # i would have seen the joke if you also applied the patch 09.04.02 # LinusN: there has been a rash of this odd spammer posing as JdGordon closing tickets for amusing reasons... 09.05.01 # Nico_P: yes and it wasn't doing anything for me except always booting windows 09.05.06 # ah 09.05.10 # maybe his account has been compromised 09.05.11 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.05.17 # GodEater: maybe! 09.05.28 # probably... 09.05.47 # no.. and TiMiD is not even around :\ 09.06.03 # JdGordon: we are going to have to see what that spammer can come up with when we are sitting around drunk after "tucker" :) 09.06.44 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-200-211.dsl.scarlet.be) 09.06.48 # so we reopen 8495? 09.07.06 # of course we do 09.07.20 # or we commit the patch and leave it closed... 09.07.28 # jhMikeS: are you positive you used mknkoot properly? 09.07.54 # mknkboot perhaps ? 09.07.57 # GodEater: svn is blocked by the company firewall :( 09.08.11 # petur: then use my handy solution ? 09.08.18 # ... its a typo in a comment which noone ever notices except they are being morons and trying to irritate us 09.08.23 # Nico_P: nope, though it looked proper. :) 09.08.46 # the bootloader file it asks for is bootloader/bootloader.bin in the build dir 09.09.15 # it also requires an original nk.bin. 09.10.26 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.10.41 # Nico_P: I thought you were going to improve those intructions for using mknkboot ? 09.10.53 # jhMikeS sounds like he's having the exact same issue I was... 09.11.16 # GodEater: which was? 09.11.42 # GodEater: didn't you improve them? I checked them yesterday and they seemed ok 09.12.26 # i have booted to the OF, how do I get back in to rockbox? 09.12.45 # on an ipod btw 09.13.08 # hold menu and select 09.13.10 # menu middle button dit the rick 09.13.13 # yeah :), thanks 09.13.14 # jhMikeS: which was I couldn't get any rockbox code to boot on it 09.13.36 # Nico_P: I wasn't sure I had =/ 09.14.10 # GodEater: and you weren't patching the bootloader.bin file in? 09.14.17 Join PhilLight [0] (n=51aef816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fd1bc2e64393fdda) 09.14.49 # Nico_P: I seem to recall that was the problem yes 09.15.02 # now that I read the page again though I think what's on there is clear enough 09.15.15 # I can if I put the plain nk.bin that I built. I use "mknkboot bootloader/bootloader.bin output-nk.bin" (of course renaming "output-nk.bin" to nk.bin afterword and running an installer) 09.15.49 # jhMikeS: that seems correct to me. it doesn't work? 09.16.18 # output-nk.bin should be ~ the same size as nk.bin 09.16.28 # no. is there a problem with the mknkboot.c included in SVN or anything? 09.16.53 # I don't think so 09.16.58 # i really don't get it. who are being morons and are trying to irritate us? 09.17.20 # LinusN: no-one - think JdGordon is just uber-grouchy today 09.17.27 # Hi. Could I please be given write access to the wiki (user name PhilLight)? I'd like to add some new batterybench results for e200. 09.17.29 # Nico_P: I'll try with latest svn here 09.17.43 # PhilLight: hang on 09.18.42 # jhMikeS: where did you get the original nk.bin? it seems that there are two different ones 09.19.02 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.19.03 # PhilLight: done 09.19.26 # Thanks LinusN 09.19.40 # btw, I can never get a proper install using a modded V30TUpdate.exe but the GigabeatSRecover/update.exe actually manages to load any nk.bin I use. 09.19.48 # jhMikeS: the one I'm using has md5sum fb76b0025cd6bd2cc7512620ebf30b81 09.19.52 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.20.14 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 09.22.28 # Nico_P: just built a brand new bootloader, transferred with sendfirm - boots into Rockbox code fine 09.22.36 # (assuming the hold switch is on) 09.23.53 # I also found the V30TUpdate.exe was extremely flakey 09.23.59 # it wouldn't work AT ALL on one PC 09.24.02 # if VMWare won't work with sendfirm then I have to work around it somehow. I'm not in any position to tear this box down and install linux right now. 09.24.03 # but worked fine on another 09.24.12 Join ol_schoola_ [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.24.38 # jhMikeS: a live CD maybe? 09.24.56 Quit ol_schoola (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.25.05 # Getting sendfirm working on Windows is going to be needed at some point anyway.... 09.25.17 Join Inv1s1ble [0] (n=cassius@68.53.224.118) 09.25.40 # linuxstb_: well volunteered :) 09.25.58 # * jhMikeS agrees and wonders how much trouble that is 09.26.12 # GodEater: Thanks (I was volunteering jhMikeS of course...) 09.26.16 # :) 09.27.10 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.27.20 # I guess it's not too hard... someone just needs to look at microsoft's MTP SDK, assuming there is one 09.27.30 # jhMikeS: I've no idea if it can work. It's using libmtp, so we would need to find out if libmtp can run under Windows. Alternatively, maybe win32 has the same functionality as libmtp built-in, so a windows version could use the native mtp library instead. 09.28.15 # If windows supports MTP fully I suspect there one way or another to manage it 09.28.17 # :) 09.28.29 # I just installed RockBox over this weekend and I love it. It's awesome...I just got one question 09.28.49 # I have an iPod cable for my Sony in-dash head unit 09.29.00 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-169-102.dsl.telepac.pt) 09.29.17 # jhMikeS: have you tried using the file explorer as XavierGr said he did? 09.29.31 # when I use it, I can hear the audio, but barely and only if I crank it all the way up. The mini jack works fine of course, but is there a way to increase the preamp to the output on the interface cable? 09.29.41 # I couldn't find anything int he FAQ 09.30.33 # Nico_P: I did, yes 09.31.34 # bed time..I'l ask again tomorrow. g'night 09.31.36 # http://webscripts.softpedia.com/scriptDownload/libMtp-wrapper-Download-18133.html <== ?? 09.31.37 Quit Inv1s1ble ("Leaving") 09.32.53 # probably worth a try 09.34.35 # * pixelma would like to know if TiMiD tested his new "fire" controls in every simulator (which can't even give 100% correct feedback) and wonders why he isn't around... 09.34.42 # toffe82 found the MS MTP dev kit somewhere 09.35.04 # it's where he got his MTP conversation dump of the firmware upgrade process from 09.35.13 # http://msdn2.microsoft.com/fr-fr/windowsmedia/bb190309(en-us).aspx that page is linked by the wikipedia article about MTP 09.35.25 # I'm afraid of some stupid plugin button action conflicts like the ones in clock and metronome which aren't even solved yet :( 09.35.31 # how is the gigabeat s progress nowadays anyway? 09.36.42 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnd040.ugent.be) 09.36.47 Quit nanok (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.37.00 # http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en "MTP porting kit" 09.37.14 # LinusN: apparently ptw419 has managed to get interrupts working, but hasn't commited the code to do it, and no-one else has managed to replicate his work. He's also gone AWOL. 09.37.25 # lovely 09.37.54 # * LinusN is tempted to buy one of those s devices 09.37.58 # he said in the logs what it was and seemed to be a one-liner iiuc 09.38.06 # there's a few of them around now LinusN 09.38.30 # * GodEater shrugs. All I know is aliask says he still can't make them work. 09.38.46 # LinusN: scorche's super special shipping services? :) 09.39.05 # LinusN: don't you know that they are called "gigabeast" - a term invented by preglow by means of typo... ;) 09.39.28 # pixelma: lol 09.39.38 # that 'ZIF-IDE adapter' mail poster has also gone AWOL :/ 09.39.46 # petur: not at all 09.39.58 # he is sending me one 09.40.00 # pixelma: and so accurate of a term... 09.40.12 # exactly 09.40.41 # LinusN: I sent him a mail asking to set up something outside the ML so others can apply to but I'm not getting any response 09.41.19 # +o 09.42.57 # i see 09.43.48 # there are some die-hard h1x0 users at taperssection that would love to have the adapter 09.44.29 # (if it works) 09.45.06 # it looks like the adapter might not fit in an H1x0 after all, we'll see 09.46.14 # which reminds me that I still need to order a big CF card for my h320... 09.46.19 Join at0m|c [0] (n=at0m@d51520B77.access.telenet.be) 09.48.46 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 09.50.51 # LinusN: do we have an http server for svn? 09.52.29 # I would really like to thank you all for rockbox, it plays all my ogg and flac music, and being able to play mpeg is just amazing, so thanks ^^ 09.53.02 # NielsE: yes, it's pretty amazing :) Which player do you use? 09.53.18 Quit PhilLight ("CGI:IRC") 09.53.31 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 09.53.38 # markun: an ipod nano 09.55.30 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 10.00.47 Quit ol_schoola_ () 10.01.21 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.01.35 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.03.22 # the new "fire" in a c200 sim I currently can't - change the flame type and "flame moving" (I compare to the target with an older build, it was done with left and right) and I can't quit (short press of power) 10.03.23 Quit ol_schoola (Client Quit) 10.05.17 # probably due to the fact that again "generic directions" and "generic actions" are combined, something that also causes conflicts in pictureflow for example :\ 10.07.10 # I'd rather see the plugin button action part of TiMiD's commit was reverted 10.08.52 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.08.58 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.09.06 # Unsupported codec for output stream #0.1 <--- when I try to convert a movie with ffmpeg 10.09.26 # any idea's? I am running ubuntu 10.09.30 Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) 10.16.22 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host169-98-static.34-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 10.17.42 # NielsE, tried this script? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-40126.html 10.17.58 # oh, it's for ipod nano 10.18.07 # * pixelma is tempted to make said patch and commit it just to get TiMiD here - but stops talking to the wall for now :( 10.18.08 # sorry, link is for iriver h340 10.18.26 # kj 10.18.30 # pixelma: just do it 10.20.01 # at0m|c: I think I can still use the script if I change the resolutions and stuff 10.20.14 # NielsE, right.. 10.23.53 # at least its encoding now :) 10.24.14 Join xushi_ [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 10.27.12 Quit mrkiko ("leaving") 10.32.34 Quit xushi (Connection timed out) 10.33.13 # :-O, frozen bubble, thats asoum (a) 10.34.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.35.07 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 10.36.24 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@c5147518c.cable.wanadoo.nl) 10.40.54 # at0m|c: I got it working, thanks :) 10.41.55 # NielsE :) 11.05.47 Join andrew__ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162084116.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 11.05.57 Join stewball [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.153.53) 11.13.35 # the changes in the fire commit also don't stick to the coding style rules (expecially the note about braces) - I remember he was told last time 11.13.50 Quit NielsE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.17.42 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 11.18.02 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 11.18.32 Join NielsE [0] (n=niels@5351CEB9.cable.casema.nl) 11.28.13 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-197-021.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.30.11 # Bah, plugin action cr@p 11.35.19 # * amiconn votes for banning plugin actions. Immediately. 11.48.30 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-160-138.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.54.24 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.56.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.02.21 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 12.06.37 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7AA4.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.07.14 # huh, the mpegplayer icons are built for the mono (Archos) targets? 12.13.54 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf021.ugent.be) 12.14.30 # and all three sizes of those are built for every target... 12.14.51 # the bmps are built badly in the build system in general 12.14.57 # and we need to fix that one of these days 12.15.43 Quit jba ("Leaving") 12.15.51 # this is a problem in plugin/bitmaps/mono/SOURCES... jhMikeS? 12.16.05 # Bagder: whats the problem with the bitmaps? 12.16.17 # they're built too often 12.16.25 # ah 12.16.28 # the auto dependency stuff gets mighty crazy 12.16.32 # e.g. when building voices 12.16.38 # IIRC 12.16.46 # yes, as an example 12.18.27 # why do I get 3 times "Header parsed" after a "make install" or "make zip"? Can't remember seeing this before 12.21.43 # pixelma: I think it's convbdf telling this since saratoga's big commit 12.21.51 # s/telling/saying 12.23.44 # thanks for the info 12.29.38 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.34.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.34.47 # on my Ondio, "fire" just hangs - there's nothing on screen and when I press "off" the player restarts as if it was hanging completely... 12.36.49 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-24-60-113-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.43.50 # current SVN fire as well as my patched version without plugin actions, so there must be something else wrong with this commit 12.45.02 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 12.47.02 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.47.10 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.49.25 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.49.31 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.50.26 # daily build version (1 revision before this commit) works fine 12.51.39 # is 'etch' testing or stable? 12.51.55 # * Bagder curses stupid debian names 12.54.29 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a187.net131.okay.pl) 12.54.47 Part J-23 12.55.23 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 12.57.09 # * GodEater echoes Bagder's curses 12.57.17 # pixelma: oops, I let those images build on non-SWCODEC? 12.58.02 # jhMikeS: there is no definition when which bmp should be compiled in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/bitmaps/mono/SOURCES?r1=15990&r2=15991 12.59.15 # Bagder: I think etch is stable 12.59.22 # all three sizes should be built into mpegplayer but only for SWCODEC. doh. 12.59.30 # yeah it seems etch is stable 12.59.38 # debian 4.0 since july 2007 or so 13.00.17 Quit NielsE (Remote closed the connection) 13.00.37 # jhMikeS: so it choses the size dependent on font size, or why do you need all three? 13.03.40 # yes, everything is scaled to the UI font 13.03.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet29.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.04.04 # ok, but definitely not needed on my Ondio :) 13.13.15 # fixed 13.14.03 # ok "fire" is crashing my M5, too... 13.14.26 # * pixelma now votes for reverting the complete commit 13.15.30 # should have tested before, would have saved me the work on extracting only the plugin action part... 13.15.32 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964249.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.16.52 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 13.19.33 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.20.24 # to be fair I tested my other target as well, and on c200 I get *PANIC* Stkov (0)... at least this is the only one that tells me something... 13.26.02 # with no thread name? that indicates something internal getting trashed. 13.29.38 Quit ctaylorr (Remote closed the connection) 13.29.49 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 13.32.22 # well, I prepared everything to revert the commit - it crashes all my three targets (and archs) and the sim runs but I could see there that not all controls work anymore due to the fact how button actions are set up there now (e.g. with a c200 sim: conflicts with what the left/right and power button do) 13.37.42 # just do it 13.39.28 # amiconn: I second the motion to remove them. 13.39.44 # pixelma: I agree with petur. Bad commits should be removed *before* anyone else has a chance to write bug reports on them. 13.40.01 # go go go 13.40.05 # typing the command line as we speak :) 13.40.20 # type faster! ;-) 13.41.41 # I'm not sure plugin actions should be removed but perhaps thought through and the only standard one being the quit action 13.45.39 # Plugin actions should maybe be mutually exclusive somehow? So you can't mix two sets? 13.45.57 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.46.32 # jhMikeS: just a small thing I'd like to confirm with the S... you do know that the rockbox BL will only show up once the progressbar from the OF's bootloader is full, right? 13.47.26 # I didn't know that but I did leave hold turned on all the way until the main menu showed up 13.47.47 # oh then it shouldv'e worked 13.47.54 # :/ 13.49.17 # Llorean: I'd think so too. That could potentially end up in hundreds of contexts (which are then hidden away in another file) or hopefully they would be used less and only in a few plugins where they would make sense (where you could call the controls generic). 13.50.53 # "hidden away" - compared to just defining the buttons in the plugin 13.54.17 # I can see actions in plugins as useful but perhaps all they should be is #defines or enums for suggested mappings and the plugin should just use action apis directly without predetermined keymaps. 13.56.20 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.57.58 # all I could see with the current system of plugin button actions is that there are troublesome - easy to get conflicts which means some controls are not working. I could name 4 such examples off the top of my head and I don't know how to solve them (easily). 13.58.15 # s/that there/that they 14.02.36 # I mean fixing them while keeping actions 14.02.45 # that's why I suggest that if a plugin uses actions, it defines the table itself in the plugin. they can simplify the switch statments in the code and still allow button assigments to be reused where appropriate. I agree the current way isn't the right approach. 14.05.21 # * jhMikeS votes to remove the actions entirely unless a friendlier way is adopted 14.06.48 Quit roxfan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.08.42 # I think pla is really handy in some plugins 14.09.28 # kugel: Handy only in that it makes it a little bit simpler fora plugin writer, and leads to problems for users because of that 14.09.32 # and a major pita if there are conflicts... 14.09.45 # Making development easier is all well and good, but not at the expense of the users. 14.09.54 # I'd like to see only 1 very generic pla context, with only like 6 actions (directions and select, plus exit) 14.11.04 # how many plugins in the entire set actually use it or could? 14.11.10 Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.11.46 # The problem is that on, for example, wheeled targets, you might want "left/right" to be the wheel, or "up/down" to be the wheel depending on what screen you are in your plugin 14.13.25 # Llorean: That's not generic anymore imo. If someone wants to use scroll wheel, he shouldn't use pla. At least according to my idea of very generic pla 14.14.15 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 14.14.17 # So, basically, the generic system is useless on targets that have a wheel? 14.14.26 # The only annoying inconsistency in plugins imho is the exit key (combo) 14.14.34 # though, having no pla isn't a real problem imo. 14.14.48 # jhMikeS: agreed. 14.15.06 Join roxfan [0] (n=dunno@183.217-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 14.16.02 # Llorean: Why useless? e200 and iPods have keys that can be used for directions. The scroll wheel isn't allways proper to be used. 14.16.39 # I.e. robotfindskitten, as of now, for the e200 the scroll wheel is being used instead of up/down 14.17.13 # The only place the wheel shouldn't be used, really, is movement across a grid. Sudoku, Jewels, RfK, etc. A few games, basically 14.17.32 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 14.17.43 # Even then, in many cases, a wheel is appropriate. With a fast wheel motion, one could traverse the entire Jewels grid quickly 14.18.03 # * hcs believes wheel should be used for horizontal motion in rockblox 14.21.29 # I think "actions" just encourages people to use it, even if it doesn't lead to the most appropriate controls for the hardware. A lot of plugin authors who don't own the target will just use actions when porting something, and if it compiles, say "okay then" 14.30.54 # Llorean: I like how the movement in a grid with a wheel is done now in minesweeper (additionally to the buttons and then scrolling through all fields, not just a line) 14.33.55 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-737bf21a15fd8449) 14.34.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.34.17 Join broom [0] (n=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4632b6ce048487fe) 14.34.49 # Morning! 14.35.09 # Hello. What do you think about changing the initial mode in the pitch screen from 'fine' to 'semitone'? I find myself using the latter more often. 14.35.55 # I think set it to however you like it. No one here can twist your arm about it. :) 14.36.00 # IIUC, it's just a matter of changing the initial value of static int pitch_mode to PITCH_MODE_SEMITONE in screens.c 14.36.25 # LambdaCalculus37: this setting is not stored, that's the problem. 14.37.44 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.38.14 # broom: a better solution then would be to make it save? 14.38.14 Join MojoMoo [0] (n=Avi@75-23-168-17.lightspeed.nhllca.sbcglobal.net) 14.38.22 # rather than changing the default for everyone 14.38.34 # hi 14.38.36 # Yes, giving people the option to save the setting would work. 14.40.41 # being able to store the setting and maybe the steps would be nice 14.41.33 # Do I need all the pacman. files to play Pacbox? I found a Midway Pacman rom and it only contained pacman.6* 14.41.33 # if only just for the default switch 14.42.36 # MojoMoo: Yes, and no asking for them here. 14.42.45 # k, thanks 14.43.09 # GodEater: Yes, there was a talk about this but nothing's happened since then. I don't remember the details but the proposals were good. 14.49.28 Quit stewball () 14.52.17 Quit MojoMoo () 14.53.49 Join Kage [0] (n=delphiki@vpn013.RZ.Uni-Augsburg.DE) 15.00.44 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 15.04.27 Quit broom ("CGI:IRC") 15.04.42 Join broom [0] (n=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e9848310d8800aae) 15.04.50 # GodEater: ah, I'm wrong. The proposals were about saving the pitch itself, not the pitch screen mode. 15.07.39 Quit broom (Client Quit) 15.08.56 Part LinusN 15.09.21 Join femto [0] (n=c2795aa3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33a658716fe208cd) 15.10.17 # hi all, could give me some write access to my personal wiki page 'HansDieterStich'? TIA! 15.12.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.16.36 Quit maddler (No route to host) 15.16.40 # femto: Sure, one of the boys will help you out. 15.18.17 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.33 # femto. Adding you now... stand by. 15.23.13 # done ;) 15.23.25 # * LambdaCalculus37 needs to be faster next time ;) 15.26.19 # LambdaCalculus37: thanks a lot! 15.27.48 # femto: Actually, thank petur. He took care of it. 15.27.48 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.30.13 # petur & LambdaCalculus37: oops, sorry, thanks to you both for your help and patience! :) 15.31.31 # femto: No problem. 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I dislike iTunes. 18.07.20 # yes, but you LIKE your ipod, right? 18.07.27 # I wanted to have my ipod as apple free as possible, too. 18.07.51 # So, meh, thanks though. Going to download iTunes 18.08.52 # well, if you had a mac or a linux box, you could use the manual method 18.09.02 # Tyroazard: Rockbox does not yet COMPLETELY replace the firmware on iPods. The original firmware is still needed. 18.09.14 Join jott [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 18.09.21 # LambdaCalculus37: not quite true 18.09.24 # I have Ubuntu on my iMac 18.09.26 # ._. 18.09.27 # we still need what's in flash 18.09.36 # the apple firmware can be chucked though 18.09.58 # Tyroazard, that'll work if you want to do the manual method. totally up to you. 18.10.05 # Too much trouble right now, though. So I'll just get iTunes. 18.10.25 # Again, I end up wishing I didn't try to mod it. 18.10.51 # why did you format it anyway ? 18.11.20 # To rid it of as much Apple as I can? 18.11.29 # why? 18.11.29 # ._. 18.11.34 # Actually 18.11.42 # I just wanted a cleanup 18.12.04 # Tyroazard: You sure you're not one of Stallman's guys? :) 18.12.08 # well formatting it (the bit windows considers a hard drive) won't acheive that anyway 18.12.23 # you'd need to repartition it to do that, and then it'd be non-functional 18.12.48 # Well, most of the music I had on the iPod was added in through Floola, and in the hidden music folder 18.13.09 # I wanted to have them on for.. uh.. er.. 18.13.16 # Yeah. 18.13.17 # so basically you've just formatted the drive as NTFS now I presume ? 18.13.21 # instead of FAT32 ? 18.13.24 # Nah, it's still FAT32 18.13.32 Part pixelma 18.13.32 # then that shouldn't have broken anything at all 18.13.46 # ._. 18.13.55 # Strange, let me try to boot it up again. 18.14.09 # It doesn't have any response. 18.14.26 # "no response" ? 18.14.35 # Yeah, no response. 18.14.44 # No Apple logo showing 18.14.49 # No screen lighting up 18.15.03 # and you've done a hard reset on it ? 18.15.08 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=nonofyer@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 18.15.19 # I've formatted it through My Computer in Windows, yes. 18.15.25 # Oh 18.15.27 # You mean 18.15.30 # Yes, I have. 18.15.32 # >.> 18.15.50 # well that should produce an apple logo 18.16.39 # Come to think of it, I may have absent mindedly turned the ipod off with the start/pause button. 18.16.41 # .. 18.16.54 # Well, that was stupid of me. 18.17.30 # doesn't matter - a hard reset would still boot it again if you performed it properly 18.17.47 # Elaborate? 18.17.59 # a hard reset always boots an ipod 18.18.15 # Trying that, doesn't seem to work 18.18.35 # Oh, there we go. 18.18.38 # Much better. 18.18.43 # Thank. 18.18.49 # Gah, typos, Thanks 18.19.09 # so you have a working ipod now ? 18.19.12 # both apple and rockbox ? 18.19.18 # Uh, still no Apple 18.19.30 # I don't think so, at least. 18.19.46 # turn it off, then back on, and immediately flick the hold switch to on ? 18.19.52 # you *have* read the manual right ? 18.20.32 # Yeah, but the last time I did this (Install Rockbox), I did it over a original firmware instal- 18.20.40 # Here we go, OF's still on it 18.20.58 # it's very hard to do an install over the OF 18.21.02 # it's not a documented procedure 18.21.11 # the default install leaves the OF on there 18.21.28 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7AA4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.21.37 # Ah well. 18.21.50 # there's no good reason to remove it as far as I'm concerned 18.22.11 Join perrikwp [0] (n=98215f87@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-826013eef37efe45) 18.22.15 Join jac0b-work [0] (n=jac0b-wo@155.109.5.245) 18.22.39 # Hey look, the USB mode works again. 18.22.46 # (In Rockbox) 18.23.00 # I seem to recall someone saying that it was broken? 18.23.33 # well, usb on portalplayer devices (ipods, sansas, h10?) only has usb charging right now 18.23.39 # there isn't a usb mode in rockbox 18.23.41 # Tyroazard: No, it's not complete yet. That's what that person must've meant. 18.23.55 # So it works on the iPod, I assume? 18.24.05 # No, just charging. 18.24.12 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 18.24.17 # we still use the apple emergency disk mode 18.24.24 # You need to use the OF or Disk Mode on the iPod to do any file transfers. 18.24.30 # Oh. 18.24.39 # the problem is at the moment is that auto switching into this is hit and miss when connecting to a windows host 18.24.45 # But.. Rockbox showed a USB plug 18.24.46 # it's fine for linux / mac for soem reason 18.24.47 # Rebooted 18.24.59 # And turned into a alternate Do Not Disconnect screen 18.25.11 # this would be the emergency disk mode I just mentioned 18.25.27 # Ah, I see. 18.25.40 # But what about the USB plug that shows for a while? 18.25.55 # thats rockbox detecting the connection 18.26.01 # nothing more 18.26.01 # Tyroazard: Rockbox does detect the connection, but can't do anything with it. 18.26.10 # * GodEater goes home 18.26.15 Join abadtooth [0] (n=josiah@65.248.187.52) 18.26.21 # I see. 18.26.45 # Hey guys, do any of you know how to take a screenshot with rockbox? 18.27.37 Quit perrikwp ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.28.04 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A79D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.28.16 # People seem to leave whenever someone asks a question.. 18.29.03 # :( 18.29.09 # What was your question? 18.29.23 # Hmm? 18.29.36 # Abad - Two possibilities : either you use the UIsimulator, which is *very* useful for WPS creation and such, or you use the 'screen dump' function in the debug menu. It's 'stay resident' and will create a bmp every time you plug in, out, the usb cable (I think there's no need for it to be attached to the computer).. 18.29.44 Quit Arathis (Nick collision from services.) 18.29.48 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A79D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.29.50 # Abad - Been a while, so I'm unsure of the details, but that's about how you'd do. 18.30.13 # Uhm, is building database supposed to take a while? 18.30.22 # PaulPosition: Okay thanks! 18.30.25 # I only have like.. 70 songs 18.30.26 # ._. 18.30.35 # Tyroazard: like how long? 18.31.08 # I don't know, it's just staying at Building database... 14 found (PREV to return) 18.31.11 # I have a few hundred and it takes less than a minute.. 18.31.14 # Tyro - Shouldn't be too long... But when it's done (you can usually tell by the disc-activity icon not lighting on) you still need to reboot the player to commit the database to memory. 18.31.33 # Oh... lol, seems like db has changed since last time I used it.. 18.31.51 # I don't think the iPod has a disc activity icon ._., does it? 18.32.00 # (ie, it worked in the background, no status update screen like you seem to get) 18.32.19 # Sorry for outdated info.. :( 18.32.41 # Tyroazard: It does. It's a little spinning icon on the top left corner of the screen. 18.32.54 # Not there 18.32.55 # ._. 18.33.01 # On Rockbox or OF? 18.33.06 # Rockbox 18.33.13 Part bobbens 18.33.13 # Top right then. 18.33.38 # Let's see.. the top of the screen from the left 18.34.10 # Battery, little triangle, square, arrow, 01:34 18.34.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.35.59 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e179081124.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.36.42 Quit jac0b-work ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 18.37.09 # Tyro - Maybe the db engine chokes on one of your files.. It happens, I think, when the id3 info for a file is too large (like a 1024*1024 embedded album art gfx).. :( 18.40.01 # Hello there. I'm trying to make another build server for you and ran into some problems with building m68k cross compiler. The rockboxdev.sh script uses binutils-2.16.1 which apparently prevents gcc from being built (with Error: operands mismatch -- statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored). Internets say that this is fixed in 2.17, however rockbox refuses to compile with it. 18.40.15 Join advlaptop2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.231.29) 18.40.43 Quit advlaptop2019 (Nick collision from services.) 18.40.58 # So, how to fix? 18.41.00 Nick advlaptop2019_ is now known as advlaptop2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 18.41.07 # It's still building, by the way. 18.41.21 # Guh. 18.41.35 # Time to dive into the ipod 18.42.07 Join xnyhps [0] (n=sphynx@84.35.101.234) 18.42.17 # I have freebsd 6.whatever machine running on amd64 arch. And I was able to setup working building environment on gentoo with its crossdev utility earlier. 18.42.52 # But I'm pretty stuck here. Does anyone know what to do? :D :| 18.42.55 # Ah, nevermind. 18.43.02 Part xnyhps 18.43.04 # Going to wipe out my music library too. 18.43.13 # I only have like.. 60-70 files >.> 18.43.25 # 72, actually. 18.43.36 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.43.43 # w23: I believe a few of the devs use freebsd, you might have luck if you hang around for a while 18.43.46 # Tyro - I'd try putting stuff in one album at a time.. Chances are, if one of them has too big an id3 field, it's the same along all songs from the specific album.. 18.44.07 # w23: possibly markun, but I'm not entirely sure 18.44.13 # Oh right! I remember why I reformatted my iPod 18.44.43 # Windows was whining about a Data Error and not being able to create files because they exsist. 18.44.51 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16400A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.46.07 Part pondlife 18.46.34 # rasher: thanks. 18.46.50 # Llorean: If you make plugin action contexts exclusive, you drop the whole point of it. Hence the whole concept can be dropped 18.47.45 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F90A.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.31 # It means you would basically need one context per plugin - not really different from defining the buttons directly, apart from the added complexity (actions defined somewhere else) 18.49.01 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0065@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ef06be48a85acbea) 18.49.24 # That is, the contexts could be defined within the plugin, if using the action *code* gives any advantage over plain button code 18.50.56 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 18.51.13 # One last thing, is there any way to see how many dbs my music is playing at? 18.51.14 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (i=kugel@e179081124.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.51.35 # Some of the themes display volume as -58db to +6db 18.51.39 # What's the original? 18.51.50 # * amiconn wonders what the problem with the crashing fire.rock was 18.51.54 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D0D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.52.13 Join webguest40 [0] (n=98215f87@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-27431c5b42380c61) 18.52.37 # Tyro - That's how most audio systems work. 0db being the max volume without distortion. 18.53.01 # But how many db is the original file playing at? 18.53.02 # ._. 18.53.20 # Tyro - That said, how many db could'NOT be told because that depends on hardware, headphones, etc. 18.54.04 # Tyro - It's all just relative. You'd need a some sort of external meter to know just how many DBs are *really* output. 18.54.20 # Oh well. 18.55.13 Quit NielsE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.56.36 # Tyroazard: What you're seeing in the volume meter is the amount of amplification (>0) or attenuation (<0) your player is applying to the file 18.56.46 # Plugin vu-meter might help you compare songs and see which outputs the most, but it still won't tell you how much sound actually gets out of the headphones and pound into your eardrums. 18.56.59 Join DGMurdockIII [0] (i=DGMurdoc@64-184-11-224.bb.hrtc.net) 18.57.39 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.59.16 Join NielsE [0] (n=niels@5351CEB9.cable.casema.nl) 18.59.19 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 19.02.50 # is ipodlinux completely dead or is it just me? 19.03.23 # preglow: No, I think there's some activity going on over there. 19.03.31 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@228-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.03.46 # http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page 19.04.27 # LambdaCalculus37: Recent Blogs: 5.5g iPods are working! (Mar. 7th, 2007) 19.04.29 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-208-182.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.04.41 # yeah... 19.04.42 # preglow: its just restin'! 19.04.55 # It's just pining for the fjords! 19.04.56 # nailed to its perch 19.05.06 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.05.08 # http://cia.vc/stats/project/ipodlinux 19.05.32 # Ah, the reason for that crash is soo obvious. I'm sure TiMiD has never tested his patch on target 19.05.40 # It's not quite dead. 19.05.42 # so things are happening 19.06.11 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.209.75) 19.06.29 # Trying to put a struct with big arrays on the stack will crash for sure 19.06.39 # that's a quite sure sign he never tested it, yes 19.06.52 # preglow: mainly tiny fixes and typos, it seems 19.07.01 # Smallest case (archos) means 28KB end up on stack - but the main stack is onl 8KB 19.07.23 # Ah, no, not 28KB (that wouldn't be possible), but 14KB 19.08.16 # Buschel - Ping. 19.08.27 # The fire array and the cooling map. 19.10.43 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.12.21 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 19.12.33 Join Subliminaut [0] (n=cd9cbcfe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7077c8902b0228d9) 19.12.35 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf021.ugent.be) 19.14.08 Join jac0b-work [0] (n=jac0b-wo@155.109.5.245) 19.15.01 # Hey, rockbox used to work normally on my ipod 5g but now when I plug it into my PC with a usb cord, it just charges, doesn't go into disk mode to transfer files, any ideas how I can get it to pop into disk mode when connected to a PC again? 19.15.40 # Yes, just shut down your iPod, then turn it on and immediately press SELECT+PLAY to enter Disk Mode. 19.16.23 # That's not the same.. 19.16.45 # I want the automatic disk mode back 19.17.30 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.17.39 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A79D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.17.58 # paulposition: you're calling for me? :) 19.18.18 Quit GodEater_ ("Leaving") 19.18.33 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.18.55 # Andree - Hi. Well, yeah.. I was wondering : if I'm to test the H10 (5gb, but they're pretty much alike) for those device disabling, I'd like to know where/what to start from.. 19.19.00 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.19.02 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.19.44 # Andree - ie, I dunno which patch I should edit with that commenting out/de-commenting stuff and such. 19.20.02 # :q 19.20.04 # oops 19.20.08 # I've tried to read your correspondance with Soap, but I must say I understand much less than he did. :o 19.20.12 # paulposition: first you should check the values of DEV_EN/DEV_EN2/DEV_EN3/GPIO32/DEV_INIT1/DEV_INIT2 via engineering menu. 19.20.38 # paulposition: DEV_INIT1/DEV_INIT2 need to be added though... 19.20.48 # in debug_menu.c 19.21.14 # * Buschel thinks about adding these changes to the patch for future debugging sessions 19.21.38 # Buschel - uhuh... Lemme startup vmware and have a look. Would that be done using the latest patch or should I use v10/v11 (the last few H10 changes) ? 19.22.17 # you can also use older patches, but best would be to use v13 -- thats what I have here 19.22.42 # Perfect. I'll poke around a bit and ask you when I get stuck :p 19.22.55 # ok 19.24.55 Quit GodEater_ ("There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.") 19.25.35 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 19.25.38 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.25.50 Quit jac0b-work ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 19.28.37 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D0D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.28.49 # damn WLAN modem :( 19.29.23 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.32.34 # Buschel: we've got more room on the debug menu, so you might as well add them 19.32.46 # i've been thinking about adding some of the extra AS registers too 19.33.08 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 19.34.35 Quit Subliminaut ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.35.06 Quit ender` (" "Why are we hiding from the police dad?" "They use EMACS, my son. We use vi".") 19.37.12 Quit NielsE (Remote closed the connection) 19.38.23 # I'll add it to the next patch version -- there is also some interesting debugging screen for the wheeldriver added 19.39.30 # Buschel_: have you found anything about the ipod's power management chip? 19.39.45 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.39.51 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.39.59 # no, but i did not search for it in the last days -- only some weeks before... 19.41.03 # well theres this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/pcf50606.pdf 19.41.04 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 19.44.16 # i don't know if it will actually work, but that chips claims to be able to adjust the voltage supplied to the CPU 19.44.37 # which would certainly be worthwhile at 24Mhz clock 19.46.15 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 19.46.37 # downloading... 19.48.06 # Buschel - Okay, so in debug_menu.c, DEV_EN3 shows a value that's accessed through inl(0x60006044) ... Where would I get the values for DEV_INIT1 and INIT2 ? 19.48.49 # just add 2 new snprintf /line++ with DEN_INIT1 and DEV_INIT2 and rebuild 19.49.24 Join Weejay [0] (n=vavarach@38.112.25.6) 19.50.08 # Buschel - Okay, there are actually constants for those? ( ...sizeof(buf), "DEV_INIT1: %08lx", DEV_INIT1); ? 19.50.19 # Hi. Does anyone know if rock box will work on a sansa e260? The site states e200, but I am not sure if that is a reference to the 200 series or just that model 19.50.35 # paulposition: yes, these registers are defined 19.50.42 # e200 series, it will work allright, unless you've got a v2 version.. 19.50.50 # Thanks Andree. 19.51.24 # Weejay: What original firmware version do you have? 19.51.31 # how can i determine if its a v2 version? Sorry I have not purchased it yet 19.51.58 # I wanted to make sure I buy something that rock box will support, 19.52.18 # Weejay: With a lot of difficulty 19.52.39 # The only sure way is to look at the original firmware version 19.52.54 # Most also say v2 on the back of them, but without opening the box you can't see that 19.53.11 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.53.12 # And the box may mention Audible support (for v2s), but it may not 19.53.46 # I think the cases where it doesn't are quite rare though? 19.53.54 # I believe so 19.53.54 # but some V1s mention Audible support too 19.54.10 # rasher: But without opening the box it doesn't help much 19.54.16 # obo: OK, strike that one :) 19.54.25 # Darn :-( Well I guess I can buy and return if its v2. I 19.54.44 # BigBambi: well, if the box mentions audible, there's a higher chance that you're getting a v2, and if not, there's a higher chance you're getting a v1 19.54.55 # yep 19.55.10 # I mentioned that :) 19.55.25 # I meant you can't see if it has v2 written on the back whilst it is in the box 19.56.04 # Guys thanks for the feedback. I got a 84 dollar gift cert from staples...so I have quite a few options to buy. I wanted to get something with video support... 19.56.26 # my coworker tells me that rock box is notorious for draining the battery. Is this true? 19.56.31 # depends on the target 19.56.44 # he was talking about ipod specifically 19.56.46 # on ipods, yes, rockbox does suck more battery than retailos 19.56.52 # Weejay: Mainly on later ipods 19.57.02 # but it's being worked on currently by this very nice chap we have hanging around here :) 19.57.06 # * preglow pats Buschel_ on the backj 19.57.09 # yep :) 19.57.12 # Sansa loses a bit, but that looks like getting much better soon 19.57.31 # * BigBambi sends Buschel_ back to the sweatshop 19.57.31 # do I need windows to apply the firmware? 19.57.34 # BigBambi: on pretty much all targets, rockbox lasts longer on a charge than the default os 19.57.35 # No 19.57.40 # ehh 19.57.44 # preglow: Yeah, I know 19.57.52 # * preglow directs that message to the proper recipient 19.57.55 # sweet! 19.58.03 # preglow: aha! :) 19.58.55 Join Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 19.58.57 # saratoga: just fast reading the pcf-spec. it will be quite hard to play around with the register settings without ampere meter hooked to my ipod :/ 20.03.42 # This is the one I am thinking about buying: http://tinyurl.com/23758q 20.04.37 # Buschel_: you really need to get a USB cable and splice in an amp meter 20.04.56 # i'm half tempted to mail you one just so your work goes faster :) 20.05.08 # yes... but i don't want to open up (and crash) my one and only ipod :/ 20.05.24 # Buschel_: pft, we'll get you another one! :) 20.05.33 # thats what I mean about the USB cable, you don't need to open the ipod that way 20.05.51 # surely, the rockbox fund covers hardware busted to make rockbox better 20.06.04 # we don't currently charge the battery on the Ipods, so all the current in the cable is going to the player itself 20.07.52 # are you sure all the current is drawn from usb, though? 20.09.39 # hmm, the only thing rockbox set in pcf are 3 register for voltage supply (2x 3V, 1x3.3V) 20.09.46 # *sets 20.09.50 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.10.00 # Buschel - Okay, so prior to modifications, here's what patch v13 gives me in to debug io screen.. http://pastebin.ca/868857 (need some other values?) 20.10.25 # lets see... 20.11.45 # has anyone else thought having an undo action for the playlist would be good? 20.12.01 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.14.26 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.15.29 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-341517.home.otenet.gr) 20.17.28 Join styleism [0] (n=sfgfadga@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 20.17.51 # paulposition: wait a few seconds, i'll post something to pastebin soon 20.18.03 # Buschel - No problem, take your time. :) 20.18.57 # * PaulPosition is practicing scales and arpeggios on his bassguitar in the meantime. :p 20.19.13 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.19.37 # so basically we're not using the power management chip for anything but simple voltage regulation 20.19.51 # that might explain the large edge the apple firmware has in battery life 20.19.53 # paulposition: please add this to system-pp502x.c (you'll see the first code sequence) -> http://pastebin.com/m30764cd2 20.20.24 # bet they run lower clock speeds at a much lower voltage then us 20.20.57 # Buschel - Will do, reporting when built and tested. 20.20.58 # saratoga: i think i'll play around with these 3 settings. at what voltage the core should be able to run @24MHz? 20.21.18 # Buschel_: try a little lower and see if it crashes! 20.21.27 # you won't damage anything by undervolting 20.21.43 # whats it running at now? 20.21.46 # saratoga: i know, but what is the core voltage? 20.21.58 # probably around 1.2 to 1.3v I'd guess 20.22.03 # its a 130nm chip right? 20.22.15 # the sansa runs stable unboosted at 1.1v for reference 20.22.27 # saratoga: only the dock connector is documented in the source, the others are unknown... 20.22.34 # or at least it does for a couple minutes 20.22.42 # Buschel_: ? 20.23.31 # saratoga: the source code sais 1 of those 3 registers controls some connector pin, the other 2 are unknown 20.24.45 # saratoga: i cannot right now as a battery bench is running (and will finish tomorrow morning) 20.25.00 # ahem, *test* right now 20.25.18 # bah another reason you need to start doing current readings 20.27.04 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 20.27.20 # Buschel - Is it normal *all* the DEV_RS... stuff is then commented out? Compiling right now anyway, but I thought I'd ask. 20.27.55 # paulposition: this is ok, but i am not sure about the line in between... -- we will see 20.28.36 # alright got to do some real work today, good luck 20.28.38 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 20.28.48 # Just to make sure, when you said 'add this' you really meant 'replace with' right? 20.28.54 # paulposition: we will do several changes ;o) btw, you do not need to do a clean build, "make" is sufficient 20.29.05 # yes 20.29.41 # Oh, well I always make clean first.. But I'll skip it next build. 20.29.55 # will save some time (at least on my PC) 20.30.08 # Oh, I'm sure it will save a lot of time ;) 20.31.55 # Is there a way to pipe the warnings and errors through some files or some such under debian? My vmware console doesn't let me browse back far enough and I miss quite a few lines of output when compiling. 20.34.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.35.09 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.37.29 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.39.57 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.40.03 # paulposition: still building? 20.40.09 # PaulPosition: make > output.txt 20.40.43 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.41.31 # Buschel Copying to device. 20.41.40 # JdGordon thanks, I'll try that next time :) 20.41.57 # paulposition: your PC must nearly be as old as mine :) 20.42.07 # use 2> instead of > to get stderr instead of stdout 20.42.53 Quit Doomed_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.43.11 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D0D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.44.14 # Buschel - Let's just say my pc isn't much of a game platform.. Unless I want to play Grim Fandango or GrandPrix Legends.. :p 20.44.26 # (ie, circa 2000) 20.45.21 # mine is '99 (my wife's one, my own one was '96) 20.45.29 # sometimes it's a pain... 20.46.09 # yikes.. time for new boxes :p 20.46.10 # Buschel - Okay, so boot without a problem. input/output screen reports the exact same numbers however.. 20.46.22 # lol 20.46.30 # ffs why is my h140 the only one that seems unable to give enough current to the 60GB hd... 20.46.42 # paulposition: same numbers as before the change? 20.47.00 # disk just can't spin up on battery alone :/ 20.47.02 # Seems so.. Maybe I f*ed up somewhere.. :p 20.48.00 # hmm, it should at least show changes in DEV_EN and DEV_EN3... we are talking about a H10, do we? 20.48.09 # Xerion: dead battery? 20.48.24 # it's a new battery, i though about that before 20.48.29 # thought* 20.48.34 # We sure do... Let me rebuild it (without making clean) and see if maybe I didn't save that .c file soon enough :o 20.48.39 # * PaulPosition blushes 20.48.40 # the voltages seem ok 20.49.03 # even with the ac adapter plugged in the backlight flickers when the drive spins up... 20.50.01 # a lot? A whole lot of lots. 20.50.24 # (oops..) a lot of time saved, that is, from not making clean. 20.51.36 # bb in a minute, coffee is boiling.. 20.52.01 # * Buschel enjoys his Beck's Gold 20.52.26 # brewed in my birth town of Bremen :) 20.53.59 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.54.16 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.54.36 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet03.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 20.54.44 Quit jcollie (Remote closed the connection) 20.55.08 # maybe I should just buy a sansa :/ 20.55.15 Join jcollie [0] (n=njcollie@161.210.6.204) 20.55.30 Quit jcollie (Remote closed the connection) 20.55.59 Join jcollie [0] (n=nnjcolli@161.210.6.204) 20.56.14 Quit jcollie (Remote closed the connection) 20.56.44 Join jcollie [0] (n=nnnjcoll@161.210.6.204) 20.56.59 Quit jcollie (Remote closed the connection) 20.57.16 # Xerion: from the commit logs it looks like sansa firmware is heavily under development 20.57.44 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 20.57.52 # so? :P 20.58.03 # still better than an unusable h140 ;) 20.58.06 # Imho a sansa would be a significant step back compared to an H1x0 20.58.18 # i know it would be :p 21.00.24 # Unfortunately, remote diagnosis for the kind of problem your H1x0 shows is practically impossible 21.00.34 # i know 21.01.16 # I can imagine a ton of reasons for such behaviour, but all of them need measurements on the actual object, plus knowledge of how it behaved before 21.05.39 Part abadtooth 21.06.28 # Buschel - Well, it has me puzzled alright, but after wiping the .rockbox folder, making sure I saved the 'system-pp502x.c' file, re-compiling and reinstalling, I *still* have the same values showing up as with straight v13 patch. 21.06.35 # Weejay: All targets are under syngnificant development 21.06.54 # BigBambi: I was just impressed with the commit rates...didn't check any other :-D 21.07.00 # you guys are super hard at work 21.07.05 # Weejay: Most commits (excluding hardware specific) are for a range of targets 21.07.53 # The frontpage is commits for everything, there are no unit specific commit logs 21.08.02 # paulposition: ?? change "#if defined (IRIVER_H10)" to "#if 1" 21.08.05 # gocha. 21.08.17 # Buschel - I pasted the 'new' values AND my current system-pp502x.c ==> http://pastebin.ca/868948 21.08.23 # someone with ida pro should check what pcf regs apple touches 21.08.25 # And I'll try that. :p 21.09.00 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.09.49 # paulposition: your change looks good 21.10.13 # preglow: indeed 21.10.25 # Buschel - Just to make sure there isn't *another* system-pp502x file, it's under firmware/target/arm right? 21.10.31 # that would give us valuable hints 21.10.57 # hmm, the pcf does i2c communication, yes? 21.11.24 # paulposition: no, there is only one. are you sure you updated the correct version to your device? 21.11.43 # preglow: it does 21.12.05 # Sure do, deleted all different rockbox folders from my desktop before copying and extracting the newish one.. (twice) 21.12.06 # ahh, yes, i disassembled that part of the bootloader before 21.12.20 # Can I have some sort of a 'cache' problem with either vmware or xp? 21.12.21 # i even found the routine that talks to the pcf, but that was the bootloader, and we're more interested in retailos 21.12.28 # amiconn, what player would you get if you had to get a new one now? 21.12.51 # preglow, Buschel: I guess that there's a similar technology transition regarding core voltages of the PP chips as in the coldfires of the same performance class 21.13.10 # Coldfire MCF5249 uses 1.8V core voltage, SCF5250 uses 1.2V 21.14.04 # So my guess is that PP5020 (and also PP5002?) uses ~1.8V, while PP5022 uses ~1.2V. That would explain the significantly reduced power consumption 21.14.20 # But I doubt that any PP OF uses dynamic voltage 21.14.57 # If the PP chips would support it, I would expect the product brief to mention it (of course keeping the details secret) 21.15.21 # dynamic, no, but they might adjust it after bl 21.18.37 # paulposition: you've checked whether the new build was copied to your device? 21.18.40 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 21.18.46 # I doubt it. And if we do dynamic voltage while the OF does not, we are (1) still doing something wrong, performance wise and (2) we're miles away from specs 21.19.36 # Although (2) might not be that important, considering that we're probably out of specs in other areas on PP, because of those darn secret specs 21.19.57 # Buschel - Okay, this time there was some changes to DEV_EN and DEV_EN3... http://pastebin.ca/868961 21.20.33 # Buschel - And yes, I looked for date modified everytime.. Even erased the .rockbox from my device to make sure. 21.20.52 # And then, dynamic voltage would introduce a few performance related problems which are difficult to solve with the current boosting scheme 21.22.06 # paulposition: ok, now change DEV_EN2 to 0x2000 21.22.30 # (1) boosting would have to become slower, as voltage must be allowed to build up. (2) simple 2-frequency switching means sub-optimal efficiency with dynamic voltage 21.23.14 # Buschel - 0x00002000 or 0x20000000 ?? 21.23.23 # 0x00002000 21.23.29 # right 21.23.33 # figured as much. 21.23.36 # amiconn: In truth, I'm for removal of the button actions system. At least, "removal, and if someone can make it 'safe' then it can be re-added later" 21.24.19 Quit midgey () 21.25.18 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.19 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.25.28 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.46 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.28.18 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 21.28.33 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.29.20 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 21.29.33 # Buschel - Hmm, I guess there's something screwy with my building process or my device or I don't know what, 'cause after I make and make zip and extract to player I get the same values in DEV_EN2 as I got before (2020 not 2000) ... Maybe a reboot is in order.. :o 21.29.57 # But if I re-open the .c file, the changes are there alright. 21.32.00 # you may just copy the rockbox.ipod to your device (./rockbox) 21.32.33 Quit w23 (Remote closed the connection) 21.32.54 # jhMikeS: around? 21.33.08 # I'll reboot and try again... be right back. 21.33.13 Quit PaulPosition () 21.38.31 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=nonofyer@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 21.41.09 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-996850af86d479e8) 21.42.09 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008011504]") 21.43.14 # paul (I'll shorten you name if oyou don't mind): any news? 21.43.20 # *you 21.43.44 # tab completion.. 21.43.57 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.45.07 # scorche|w: chanting agiain? ;) 21.45.16 Join zicho [0] (n=martin@c-3499e355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 21.45.32 # Is there any planning to port rockbox to the sansa view 21.46.04 # Buschel - Copying to device after compiling from clean dir... Will see. :o 21.46.13 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.46.52 # are ports ever planned for anything? i thought they were just opportunistic collisions of possession and hackability 21.46.52 # zicho: Some people are talking about it, but no plans are ever set in stone. Ports are done by people who are interested in doing one. 21.47.14 # LambdaCalculus37, okay. 21.48.48 # Buschel - I'm puzzled. DEV_EN2 0x2020 again. Maybe it's the device I need to reformat or something.. :o 21.49.27 # Buschel - Sounds like the if def was right all along and something not-kosher's happening at my place. 21.49.33 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 21.49.33 # hmm, rockbox does not set this bit... any effect when using 0x20 only? 21.49.57 # I can try that. 20 instead of 2020 or 2000 right? 21.50.04 # yep 21.51.28 Join Redbreva [0] (n=Miranda@host217-42-182-148.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 21.51.45 Join d34df00d [0] (n=d34df00d@80.251.122.132) 21.54.12 # * Domonoky just sent out a mail to the mailing list with a very early alpha of rbutil with console interface. Lets see if this is more accessible than GUI :-) 21.54.44 Join musicmission [0] (n=vasya@stat.digicom.net.ua) 21.55.30 # hello 21.56.04 # народ есть тут русско говорливые? 21.56.14 # English please 21.56.29 # Why& 21.56.30 # musicmission: please stay english, i only see gibberish.. :-) 21.56.31 # ? 21.56.39 # musicmission: This is an English language channel. 21.56.48 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3099.gwdg.de) 21.56.50 # ok sorry 21.57.40 # is anybody here? 21.57.51 # Buschel - Well, with 0x20 it seems it just won't boot. 21.57.57 # also, your far more liekly to actually get help speaking english 21.57.57 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.58.00 # paul: as I have to leave right now -> http://pastebin.com/m71a46d4b describes the needed test builds. quite a lot for H10... just give me a PM with the results 21.58.17 # Which, I guess, means something does happen. I'll have a look at those. 21.58.32 # Buschel - How much time does pastebin stuff stays alive? 21.58.37 # paul: ahh, you were faster. ok, then it may be the LCD 21.58.37 # Yes Yes help me help!!! 21.58.40 # Bah, I'll copypaste anyway. :) 21.58.59 # musicmission: just ask your question.. 21.59.06 # Buschel - Thanks, I'll look at what I can do from there :) 21.59.40 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955E87D.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.59.51 # paul: so, DEV_EN and DEV_EN2 is finished. then you may also enable the 4 "/* reset all allowed devices */" lines -- should work 21.59.55 # i want to study my english 22.00.30 # paul: thanks for your support -- will have a look at your results tomorrow morning. good night! 22.00.36 # Same to you :) 22.00.50 Quit Buschel () 22.01.01 # musicmission: If you have a rockbox question ask it 22.01.49 # ok, what is "rockbox"? 22.02.10 # www.rockbox.org 22.02.19 # If you don't know that, why are you here? 22.02.55 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 22.03.39 # ok thak you, I really like a new HTML pages!!!! 22.03.50 # I need more 22.03.59 # musicmission: This is an on-topic channel 22.03.59 # :))) 22.06.42 Join david--- [0] (n=opera@84.72.254.113) 22.07.01 # g'day everyone 22.07.34 # maybe night? 22.07.49 # depends on where you live 22.08.24 # ukraine 22.08.29 Quit d34df00d (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.08.45 # in austria its 22:09 22.08.46 Join shotofadds [0] (n=5101670b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81c6e6600bf11f67) 22.08.49 # musicmission - do you have a question about rockbox or are you just wanting to chat? 22.08.51 # Keep on topic please chaps 22.09.09 # whats topic? 22.09.20 # Rockbox 22.09.26 # lol 22.09.28 # R_O_C_K_B_O_X 22.09.32 # :-) 22.09.51 # not anything specifik? 22.09.53 # If you have a question related to rockbox, ask it. If not keep quiet please. This is a logged develpment and support channel 22.10.11 # i was just boared 22.10.37 Quit markun ("leaving") 22.11.06 # quiet like in a church, ill go somwhere else 22.11.21 Part david--- 22.11.39 # how do I get a stack trace from the sim under gdb? when the sim hits a segv gdb says "Cannot find user-level thread for LWP 17680: no LWP to satisfy query" and refuses to backtrace. 22.12.58 # and its a debug sim build ? 22.13.32 # I whant to find english chat where i can practis my english, help me? 22.13.59 # musicmission: NOT here 22.14.01 # join #anythingbutipod much more fun 22.14.16 # ooooooooo 22.14.19 # cooll 22.14.21 # cool 22.14.34 # ha ha yahooo!!! 22.14.38 # musicmission - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/chanlist// 22.14.43 # musicmission: Please be quiet. This room is for work. 22.14.44 # ooooooooo 22.14.57 # oooops 22.15.06 # sorry 22.15.08 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.44 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.17.11 Join webguest26 [0] (n=562d6624@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a01098ab01ba9968) 22.17.26 Part musicmission ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.21.54 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 22.25.30 # Domonoky: I saw the "-DDEBUG" against the (S)imulator option in the configure script and figured the sim was debug by default. Clearly i was wrong, just doing a rebuild :/ 22.26.38 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 22.26.55 # shotofadds: sim _has_ debug by default... 22.27.38 # but iirc the DEBUG define is for targets... depends on what you actually are trying to debug you can use DEBUGF() (wrapper for printf) 22.27.58 # JdGordon|w: yep, I just found the rebuild made no difference - so my original question still stands.. 22.28.18 Join nanok [0] (n=nanok@194.145.183.75) 22.29.00 # I made a new sim build for the D2 - it crashes when you try to play a song, so trying to get a stack trace 22.29.54 # ah, just saw the question... well first thign to try is make sure you can actually play music in the sim with a different target? 22.29.57 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 22.31.09 # yep, I'm building a H120 sim as we speak 22.33.26 # shotofadds: did I see correctly that the D2 screen is 320x240 colour (and touch screen)? 22.34.19 Join musicmission [0] (n=vasya@stat.digicom.net.ua) 22.34.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.34.32 Part musicmission ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.35.01 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.35.11 # * Bagder adds a new build server 22.35.28 # hey Bagder, see my pm yesterday? 22.35.34 # yes 22.35.45 # k 22.36.14 # * JdGordon|w would like to get his computers doing something more useful than sitting doing nothing :p 22.36.24 # but I don't have any particular plans in modding the build system, so if you want to avoid uploads you can do sim builds 22.36.31 Part DGMurdockIII 22.37.05 # ? wait, was it fixed so sims could be done and not main builds? 22.37.18 # when was * 22.38.02 # it's always been like that 22.38.06 # pixelma: yes, that's correct. For the time being the intention is to use the touchscreen to simulate up/down/left/right buttons, I think. 22.38.25 # sheesh, I should have built a sim with less plugins 22.39.24 Quit markun ("leaving") 22.39.28 # Bagder: if you say so :p 22.40.05 # shotofadds: I wanted to know if new bitmaps are needed (for plugins or whatever) but seems like it isn't needed because the screen resolution is the same as the Ipod Videos 22.40.24 # shotofadds: make bin 22.40.28 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.40.43 # Bagder: idea, if you're going to do something to the build system at some point in the future, add in version-checks, so that you know that a server has the right version of the toolchain before you order a build 22.40.46 # and you want to split the screen into buttons instead of going the stylus/fingure mthod? 22.40.46 Quit BigBambi (Nick collision from services.) 22.40.52 Nick BigBambi_ is now known as BigBambi (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.41.29 # we should probably start a wiki page for things to do in the next gen build scripts 22.41.32 # are profiling builds known to work (and is support device specific)? 22.41.58 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.43.04 # stripwax: no and yes 22.43.07 # * stripwax wonders what would happen if stereo tremor mdct could be made to run on both pp502x cores 22.43.11 # n1s - ah 22.43.15 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.43.34 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-126-19.calhoun.resnet.clemson.edu) 22.44.00 # or rather the output from a profiling build can only be understood by the script if said build is m68k 22.44.14 # Bagder: you got 6 more cores once I get ports forwarded for the sims 22.44.22 # and when I tried it a couple of months ago it didn't work well 22.44.34 # goodie'1 22.44.52 # JdGordon|w: probably only using button emulation as an intermediate measure, I guess. Could still be useful for things like plugins in the long run. 22.44.52 # n1s - thanks for the info. 22.45.18 # stripwax: lostlogic is the one who made it so maybe you can poke him :) 22.45.45 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.55 # shotofadds: maybe we'll add both systems in and let the user choose? seen as it would only affect the 2 targets 22.46.16 # n1s - will try building first and see what happens - ta 22.46.47 # Nico_P - have you had time to look at sliding_puzzle yet? 22.47.19 # JdGordon|w: sounds like a good idea, if possible. eg. the D2's retail .swf player gives a choice of stylus or keypad-style control on startup 22.47.21 # stripwax: sorry, no :( 22.47.28 # exam week 22.48.09 # shotofadds: everything is possible :) your touchpad driver returns an x/y pixel value? 22.48.15 # JdGordon|w: hmm, the H120 sim segv's as well - let me try some other tracks 22.48.23 # hopefully the same way the mr500 does? 22.48.30 # try an ogg if your not... 22.50.32 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.51.53 # JdGordon|w: I've tried mp3, ogg & flac. all give the same segv here. running on the rockbox VMware image (debian 2.4.something) 22.51.54 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 22.52.07 # wonder if that's an issue? 22.52.53 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955E87D.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.54.39 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 22.59.16 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 23.00.02 # Hm - I'm getting a build error with profiling enabled, seems it's looking for functions named __cyg_profile_func_enter/exit but only found profile_func_enter/exit in profile.c 23.00.15 # seeing if just an alias fixes the build 23.02.29 # JdGordon|w: the D2's touchscreen driver can have the same/similar interface to the m:robe, assuming your z1/z2 are comparable to my p1/p2 23.04.01 # though this is al slightly academic at the moment since I don't have a main build working yet... 23.04.04 # *all 23.04.14 # I'm not handling the z1/z2 at all yet... 23.05.26 # i'm not really sure what to do with them, though from the returned values it seems I can determine the size of the area pressed. 23.06.21 # unless we want to do something fancy and try to figure out if its a stylus or a finger I think we can ignore that 23.07.42 # I may need to use them to detect pendown - reading the pendown interrupt flag from the PCF currently returns zero permanently :( 23.09.09 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 23.09.59 # i found some stuff that sigmatel has been doing with their stmp36xx stuff and linux. i suppose having this would make it rather easy to port the sansa express to rockbox? 23.10.50 Join uwe__ [0] (n=uwe@dslb-084-056-018-080.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.14.00 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-17-114.net.novis.pt) 23.14.16 # hello Rockbox people!! :-9 23.14.22 # simonrvn: "easy" is probably not the right word 23.14.36 # I am looking for a person who name is: DominikWenger -> from Twiki 23.14.37 # simpler? 23.15.00 # the more details that are known, the fewer problems there are of course 23.15.14 # Casainho: check the IrcNicks page 23.15.18 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.15.27 # I don't know of any serious attempts to work on the sansa express 23.15.29 # that's pretty much what i meant with my statement. good :). 23.15.32 # rasher: thanks :-) 23.15.46 Quit uwe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.16.07 # Bagder: that was my next question. seems people have investigated, but no actual porting stuff done 23.16.16 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.16.24 # simonrvn: yeps, that's the situation as I've understood it 23.16.28 # i started a page on the rockbox wiki for it 23.17.06 # DominikWenger is not on the IrcNicks page and I don't know who is him? :-( 23.17.22 # their website (linux.sigmatel.com) has a bunch of tarballs, bootloader, source for that, a chroot env., other things 23.18.05 # Casainho - look again. yes he is. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 23.18.18 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.19.21 # stripwax: thanks - I saw now - I made a search for that text and It didn't found, my mistake :-) thanks :-) 23.21.10 Join Aevum [0] (i=Aevum@142.42.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) 23.21.32 # no hope for the classic, no ? 23.22.18 # classic what? 23.22.21 # no hope as long as no one is working on it 23.25.06 # ok, thank you 23.25.11 Part Aevum ("Saliendo") 23.26.51 Quit shotofadds ("CGI:IRC") 23.27.23 Join shotofadds [0] (n=5101670b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c539a00583cd3d86) 23.31.52 # is there anyway for I know what pages DominikWenger changed on Twiki? - I would like to know in what he is involved.. 23.32.35 # why does that matter? 23.32.36 # * JdGordon|w wants a stalker :'( 23.33.27 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 23.33.31 # JdGordon|w: ddalton... 23.33.53 # Bagder: I would like to know what work he already did... I usualy like to read about others works... 23.34.04 # is the same as read your blog :-) 23.34.28 # he's one of the main authors of the rbutil, as an example 23.35.09 # hardware, he works, knows about hardware? - he edit the page of RB player :-) - with good information :-) 23.35.19 # Bagder: we really should start talking about devcon... 23.35.50 # I know 23.36.02 # do you have some time tonight? 23.36.07 # just dont do it exam week :'( i really want to come 23.36.22 Part LinusN 23.36.27 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 23.36.52 # Bagder: or perhaps this weekend will be better?...well, i guess i will be in seattle.. 23.37.23 # or the good ol mailing list 23.38.43 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.40.34 # good night :-) 23.40.38 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007100814]") 23.41.09 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 23.41.34 # stalker, headhunter or present/past/potential employer? 23.44.28 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.44.39 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.46.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.47.00 # i'm about to commit the D2 sim build (no plugins yet) - any reason why it shouldn't be added to the build table? 23.48.00 Quit styleism () 23.48.03 # I'm a believer in adding builds early to the build table 23.49.28 # not that I can see that far off to the right ;-) 23.49.31 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 23.50.15 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 23.50.38 # they're actually sorted, so it'll appear "somewhere" 23.50.57 # they're sorted on the full title, but the title is then chopped up a bit in the generated images 23.51.46 Quit hcs (Remote closed the connection) 23.52.20 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.53.35 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.54.08 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.54.34 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 23.56.39 Part Weejay 23.57.17 # * Bagder added build 71 to the table just now 23.57.47 Part LinusN