--- Log for 24.01.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.25 # and resetting your rockbox settings? or are you just updating? 16149 and 16151 should behave the same 00.00.34 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 00.01.21 # i'll reset the settings 00.01.47 # i don't use database mode, just file/folder viewer 00.02.17 Join webguest84 [0] (n=4c0f2e22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6062f5e4ffc17e0) 00.02.45 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088833942.dsl.bell.ca) 00.02.49 # I need a link for rockboy is that possible ? 00.03.00 # rockboy is included in the builds 00.03.03 # ? 00.03.16 # webguest84 - have you installed rockbox? 00.03.20 # the issue you are experiencing is mentioned explicitly in the manual. 00.04.47 # who me? 00.04.54 # i just reset settings, it's still happening 00.05.06 # Ah 00.05.20 # Yes I accidently erased rockboy 00.05.21 Quit n1s () 00.05.25 # sorry trypt, not you. 00.06.40 # it took 15 seconds for a song to start, then when i skip to the next song, it's been at least 60 seconds and still hasn't started yet, but i can hear the disk spinning 00.07.18 Quit XavierGr () 00.08.03 # trypt - hm. does the original Apple firmware still work ok? does running a disk check show up any problems? just trying to think of ruling out hardware/filesystem problems . I'll see if i can reproduce your problem (last time I tried - this morning - mp3 playback worked fine for me on ipod 5g 60gb) 00.09.01 # well i'd have to install itunes and load some songs onto my ipod through it to check that, guess i'll have to 00.09.18 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.09.18 # does rockbox have a disk check utility, or you mean in windows or itunes? 00.09.28 # actually I meant in windows 00.11.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.11.48 # disk check OK 00.12.54 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.14.14 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.15.36 # stripwax: did you compile tremolo, or? 00.16.29 # there's quite a lot of changes need to be made, and I'm not familiar with Tremor, so it's not there yet 00.16.44 # like, the way all of the source files are different... 00.16.59 # unless there's an easy way to just drop it in without making any changes somehow? 00.17.06 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.17.12 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.17.33 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.18.36 Quit trypt () 00.19.08 # ah, was about to ask trypt something .. won't bother now 00.21.13 Quit obo ("bye") 00.24.08 # really? 00.24.21 # i didn't look to closely 00.24.29 # so he's gutted out all the c code that he reimplements? 00.25.20 # renamed functions, changed structures, the works. but then again, the rockbox implementation of Tremor seems to have also made a bunch of diffs against the official Tremor anyway ,which makes the whole diffing process hard 00.25.51 # so not sure which of these structural changes are his own, and which are ours, and which might just be because he's forked a different version of Tremor.. 00.26.46 # Shouldn't the utils dir be in the tarballs? 00.27.15 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 00.27.23 # I think it should 00.27.45 # why? 00.27.54 # Icons and backdrops should at least 00.28.05 # utils aren't needed for building rockbox 00.28.08 # amiconn: because it is code related to rockbox hacking 00.28.19 # amiconn: plenty of things in the tarballs aren't 00.28.44 # and because we have no other tarballs offering that code 00.29.35 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c0e33de4c015235d) 00.30.07 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 00.30.19 # e.g. our mdct.c and his are *very* different ,and I suspect most of those diffs are annoyingly mostly cosmetic 00.33.25 # stripwax: oh well, it's gpl, we could just adapt it 00.33.49 # bsd 00.33.51 # and yeah 00.33.56 # no, i believe his code is gpl 00.34.10 # at least it said so on the site 00.34.35 # oh - you're right. was thinking about tremor. 00.34.43 # but still, yep 00.35.00 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.35.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.40.54 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 00.41.03 Join deranger [0] (n=792da9f7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a30537426a7ef234) 00.41.28 Part DerPapst 00.41.35 # hey people, anyone here willing to help with a major crisis? 00.41.53 # just ask what needs asking 00.42.34 # well, last night I had to turn off my rockboxed X5 in a hurry and when I tried booting up again it said 'no partition found' 00.43.04 # and now I can't connect to the pc at all 00.44.54 # * preglow has no idea about x5 00.45.36 # hmm well I figured it would be a rockbox issue, not really a specific player issue 00.45.50 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 00.46.02 # rescuing a player is very player specific 00.46.27 # ie: the rockbox firmware wont be recognised by windows 00.46.32 # hm, too much has changed, and it's too late to get my head around it tonight. 00.46.39 # You *can* connect to the pc 00.46.49 # Power off the X5, then connect it 00.47.02 # The cowon loader will detect the connection and go into usb mode 00.47.33 # and so on that note, gnight.. mabye will take a fresh look at tremolo later 00.47.33 # oh it connects yeh but I cant access my files 00.48.24 # the player is dual boot as well, but I didnt realise that it always loaded into rockbox 00.48.55 # Well, if rockbox says 'no partition' and you also can't access the data from the pc, it means the partition is broken somehow 00.49.23 # yep but the files are there, because I can play them using cowon firmware 00.49.35 # uh? 00.49.35 # stripwax: night 00.49.53 # just cant view the drive and 'change files' etc 00.49.58 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.50.17 # If you have rockbox then you don't have the OF available anymore, unless you're using the unsupported dualboot patch 00.50.20 # as when connected via usb, the rockbox firmware is default 00.50.52 # The cowon loader's usb mode is independent of rockbox 00.51.21 # hmm.. that is very sad then 00.51.22 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 00.51.48 Quit ender` (" Just when you get really good at something, you don't need to do it any more.") 00.51.51 # If you cannot access your files from the pc even though the drive appears, it means your partition *is* broken, and the cowon software manages to find it in spite of that 00.52.14 # sure 00.52.20 # But that probably means that the filesystem itself is ok, and only the partition table is broken 00.52.46 # is it fixable though or is it the end of the line? 00.53.18 # I think it's fixable, but if not, you'd only need to repartition, reformat and put the music back on 00.54.25 # (with fixable I mean without needing to reformat) 00.54.28 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 00.54.39 # all right, is there any literature on the rockbox website to help me with this? 00.54.40 # Why is Sazanami-Mincho-Regular-11.fnt in svn? 00.55.25 # I have no issues formatting.. it'll take a bit of time, im more concerned about my player being a paper weight or not 00.56.11 # it almost certainly ain't 00.56.27 # The iaudio X5, M5 and M3 is always recoverable, unless it's physically broken of course 00.57.13 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.57.14 # well, its been doing fine apart from the fact that I 'switched it off without pausing or stopping the file' 00.57.31 # only when I tried to boot up again about 10 mins later I got the error message 00.58.02 # If you're going to reformat, you first need to recreate a partition, and format it with fat32. Make sure you don't format in superfloppy mode (which might not be supported by the OF - it would also be recoverable from that of course) 00.58.49 # Ill need to work out how to actually format :) 00.58.57 # Then unzip a rockbox build, put your music back, and there you go. 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thanks to you all, i appreciate any help. 02.51.28 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.53.41 # pointofwork, no, for various reasons. 1) you'd have to port rockbox, a long process, typically. 2) rockbox runs on a FAT32 filesystem, meaning the operating system will manipulate it as it wants to. rockbox can't prevent this, really. 02.56.54 # thanks krazykit, is there anyway to modify the existing firmware on mp3 players to do this? can you give suggestion on how should i approach this? 02.57.20 # no 02.57.42 # im really new to hardware mods, but im a programmer. 02.57.51 # technically impossible if your players connects to the computer via UMS 02.58.19 # please keep in mind that this channel is about rockbox, and anything else is offtopic. 02.58.29 # the computer will always have access to the whole storage space whatever you do 02.58.39 # TiMiD[FD]: if it was a software ums target, couldn't you have a partitioned drive of which Rockbox only exposed one? 02.59.09 # are there software ums targets ? 03.00.01 # All the pp targets 03.00.03 # whats a ums target? 03.00.44 # ok so on pp targets it would be feasible 03.00.54 # although I don't really see the point 03.01.00 # .. maybe. 03.01.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 03.01.40 # how about completely making the mp3 player unwritable, maybe that would be easier 03.01.43 # you would have to emulate a partition table 03.02.13 # ok 03.02.41 # ill research on that. 03.03.06 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 03.04.09 Quit Orac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.06.53 Join micr0c0sm [0] (n=micr0c0s@ool-45714941.dyn.optonline.net) 03.09.25 Join DarkXaero [0] (n=dad@ool-44c0fdf3.dyn.optonline.net) 03.09.33 # alright i need some real quick help 03.09.53 # i have a sansa e200 r 03.09.58 # just installed rockbox on it successfully 03.10.03 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.10.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B04E5C.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.10.52 # however, when i am in rockbox on the sansa 03.10.52 # and i go on the files menu 03.10.52 # it doesn't show all the folders including the ".rockbox" folder 03.11.12 # ah 03.11.17 # DarkXaero: sounds like you haven't read the manual 03.11.22 # because the folders are hidden 03.26.13 Join johnaintdoe [0] (n=johnaint@c-24-91-18-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.26.19 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B1640F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.26.41 Join rangerirc [0] (n=rangerir@ppp121-45-169-247.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) 03.26.58 Part johnaintdoe 03.27.00 Join johnaintdoe [0] (n=johnaint@c-24-91-18-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.28.32 # hello? 03.29.20 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 03.29.26 # I can't compile arm-elf-gcc using the rockboxdev.sh script 03.29.39 Mode "#rockbox +e *!*@rockbox/administrator/Llorean " by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.29.48 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 03.29.52 # johnaintdoe, what operating system? 03.29.57 # linux 03.30.01 # ubuntu 7.10 03.30.08 # do you have build-essential installed? 03.30.12 # ya 03.30.19 # gcc 4.1.3 03.30.52 # could you copy the error output to pastebin.ca ? 03.31.06 # ok 03.32.15 # sorry I'm a little confused 03.32.32 # i'd like rockbox to run ntpd. dispite lacking a network device ntpd can still correct the local clock. my iriver losses time on a fairly consistant basis 03.32.32 # A while ago, the build page listed Sansa e200 as broken, but now it doesn't. If broken was referring to the screen going black when plugged into USB, it's still broken for me. 03.33.13 # iain_dalton, i believe that means it didn't build correctly. 03.33.26 # ashes, so port it :) 03.33.33 # ashes: I may be a humble user, but I think ntpd can only work if it's networked, hence the n in the name. 03.33.55 # DarkXaero: sounds like you haven't read the manual 03.33.55 # because the folders are hidden 03.34.03 # the ".rockbox" folder isn't hidden :] 03.34.34 # krazykit: what means that, the "broken" that was on the build page, or the fact that the screen goes black? 03.35.02 # iain_dalton, the "broken" on the build table should refer to the target not building correctly. 03.35.54 # krazykit: All right. I guess I should submit a bug report about the black screen then. It's been that way since the 19th's build 03.36.09 # krazykit: Platform set to ipodmini2g 03.36.09 # Build (N)ormal, (A)dvanced, (S)imulator, (B)ootloader, (M)anual (N) 03.36.09 # n 03.36.09 DBUG Enqueued KICK johnaintdoe 03.36.09 # Normal build selected 03.36.09 # Using source code root directory: /home/johnaintdoe/Desktop/rockbox-20080123 03.36.09 *** Alert Mode level 1 03.36.09 # ../tools/configure: 1694: arm-elf-gcc: not found 03.36.11 # ../tools/configure: 1698: arm-elf-ld: not found 03.36.13 # WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path! 03.36.15 # WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the 03.36.16 # johnaintdoe, no, in pastebin.ca 03.36.17 # WARNING: checks we want now. 03.36.19 # Using arm-elf-ld 03.36.21 # Created Makefile 03.36.25 # srry 03.36.25 # scorche 03.36.50 Quit rangerirc ("<[eV]Rygrass|zzzzzzzz> i like waking up to pms") 03.36.51 Quit pointofwork ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.37.01 # johnaintdoe, if you installed it correctly, you still need to add it to your path 03.37.10 # which should be detailed on the wiki page 03.37.31 # oh 03.37.33 # alright, so why doesn't my ".rockbox" folder appear? 03.37.37 # its not hidden 03.37.37 # i'll see that 03.38.09 # DarkXaero: The .rockbox folder is hidden because folders beginning with . are hidden. 03.38.41 # lol 03.38.41 # wow 03.38.48 # so what should i do to make it appear? 03.39.00 # read the manual. 03.39.18 # it appeared automatically in the other sansa that i have 03.39.19 # krazykit: i looked into the wiki but it doesn't say 03.39.55 # DarkXaero: There's an option to view all files 03.39.55 # DarkXaero: this is only a setting to change if you search through the menus you'll find it 03.39.58 # krazykit: it says how to do it manually but it says you're all set if you use the script 03.40.16 # johnaintdoe, pretty sure i've never had the script do it for me. check this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di 03.41.15 # alright, thanks 03.41.47 # alright, got it thanks 03.41.56 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 03.41.56 # i looked for that option before in the settings and missed it 03.41.56 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B1640F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.44.19 # thank you very much 03.46.04 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.46.10 *** Alert Mode OFF 03.47.11 Quit DarkXaero () 03.51.42 Part johnaintdoe 04.03.35 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 04.08.10 Quit iain_dalton ("leaving") 04.13.02 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a2bb107697f6569) 04.14.15 # Are fs#8496 and fs#8502 in committable states? 04.14.47 # I know I am doing way too many patches. It's just because I'm bored. 04.15.28 Quit ol_schoola () 04.16.22 # countrymonkey, it looks like #8502 also has the vew/view stuff in it. 04.17.22 # Woops. I'll fix that. Is 8496 committable? 04.18.06 # countrymonkey, #8502 also has a bunch of stuff in a bunch of other langs that doesn't appear to be related 04.19.15 # I'll completely redo the patch. Maybe it was a bad idea to put what lang it was in the file itself anyway. 04.26.05 # Now is it good? 04.26.27 Join toffe82 [0] (i=chatzill@static-71-160-73-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.29.06 # well, it doesn't have all the extra junk in it. 04.30.04 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@dsl-243-106-11.telkomadsl.co.za) 04.30.10 # Yes. I completely redid the patch. 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Has it been shelved again? 08.34.19 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.35.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.36.57 # /msg chanserv ban GodEater time=forevergoddammit 08.38.17 Quit ashes (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.43 # hahaha 08.38.58 # so that'll be a "yes" then 08.40.00 # i guess it's rather "nobody seems to care enough to volunteer as a release manager" 08.40.44 # I could have sworn Llorean had been volunteered (whether he liked it or not) 08.44.10 # is that so? he must be delighted 08.45.36 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.52.03 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 08.54.33 # let's ask Dongs if he wants to become our release manager 08.55.21 # like with the last release, we have serious buffering and playback issues... :-( 08.55.52 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.56.20 # it's funny when you think of it, so much time has passed, and we still don't have the core functionality stable 08.56.27 # LinusN: I don't notice them much. What kind of issues are there? 08.56.46 # we have tons of reports about frantic disk activity and stuttering playback 08.57.06 # freezes with crossfade and song switching 08.57.38 # plenty of database issues as far as i can see 08.59.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B04EB0.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.00.00 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 09.00.57 Quit cool_walking_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.02.52 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 09.08.19 # markun: What do you think we should do about fs 7833? My patch fixes the crash when using the asm on gigabeat (it was indeed the section .icode), but XavierGr tested it to be slightly slower than the C code (about 0.43%) 09.08.57 # then I prefer to use the C code 09.09.28 # let me check the patch first 09.09.53 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.11.43 # amiconn: do you think there is any benefit in using the asm code? 09.13.07 # 09.13.40 # Bagder: what's that? 09.13.44 # The only benefit would be that the gigabeat uses the same code as any other arm target 09.13.49 # Bagder: well said 09.14.09 # Rex going nuts on the keyboard ;-) 09.17.14 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.20.29 # markun: The part that patches the .S file should probably be committed anyway, in case some other arm target without iram appears, and a comment should be added in the .c file why the asm is disabled for gigabeat 09.20.41 # amiconn: yes, I agree 09.21.11 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 09.21.44 # amiconn: would it be a good idea to have a separate macro for it? 09.23.00 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 09.25.51 # shouldn't .icode me mapped in regular ram on those targets? 09.26.14 # s/me/be/ 09.27.10 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@87.227.35.46) 09.27.44 Quit m0f0x () 09.27.55 # GodEater: hi, do you think you could try playing with the #defined watermark levels in buffering.c to see ig they affect playback glitches? 09.33.05 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.33.19 # Nico_P: sure 09.33.59 # cool, thanks :) 09.34.39 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-169-102.dsl.telepac.pt) 09.34.46 # I'm thinking of BUFFERING_DEFAULT_WATERMARK and BUFFERING_CRITICAL_LEVEL, but the first is of more interest 09.34.51 Join Jakeworld [0] (n=chatzill@66-214-64-213.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) 09.36.40 # any values you want me to try ? 09.38.48 Join herz42 [0] (n=herz42@38.99.84.34) 09.39.03 # try doubling the default watermark value 09.39.54 # didn't we already try this ? 09.40.37 # IIRC what we changed was the default filechunk 09.40.42 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966EF9.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.40.45 # I thought we'd done both 09.40.50 # oh well 09.41.13 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-131-3.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.42.23 # hmm actually as the watermark is configurable it might not stock to that value at all 09.42.31 # s/stock/stick 09.43.00 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-7-14.dsl.telesp.net.br) 09.43.35 # maybe it would be wise to comment the queue_post call in buf_set_watermark (line 1258), so that the watermark always remains the same 09.45.52 # GodEater: yesterday amiconn said he believed the problem was due to a too small value of the watermark, not taking the spinup time increase into account 09.46.05 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.46.05 # * petur had a playback glitch today: on resume there was a brief moment of noise (playing something that wasn't audio data) 09.47.09 Quit TiMiD[FD] ("leaving") 09.49.10 Quit Jakeworld (Connection reset by peer) 09.49.38 Join Jakeworld [0] (n=chatzill@66-214-64-213.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) 09.50.17 Quit karashata (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.50.57 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 09.51.18 # * Nico_P is off (exam) 09.52.12 # * petur switches Nico_P back on 09.53.07 # sadly... 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But controls were still doing nothing, WPS still not updating, and no response to USB cable being plugged in 10.43.25 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 10.43.48 # Does the profiling build option allow any kind of thread monitoring? 10.44.03 # Just a tick count would be useful 10.44.04 # * GodEater looks blank 10.44.18 # * pondlife TOO 10.44.25 # Oops, sorry for shouting 10.45.48 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955E18D.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.52.17 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4051.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.58.24 Quit ol_schoola () 11.01.35 Join waldo_ [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-211-47.dsl.scarlet.be) 11.04.04 # GodEater: I never said the high disk activity problem comes from a too low watermark. The occasional skipping at start of rebuffering, however, probably does. 11.04.53 Join Zagor_test2 [0] (n=c2ed96ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cf0d8cda0a3b5d4c) 11.04.53 Quit Zagor_testing ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.05.16 # That said, I still didn't observe the high disk activity problem, and the occasional skipping just once or twice, weeks ago 11.06.45 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.17.12 Join zagor_test02 [0] (n=c2ed96ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-de6cf2fa70fa3a3a) 11.17.20 Quit zagor_test02 (Client Quit) 11.17.38 # amiconn: I've not enough insight into the problem one way or the other. I'm assuming that the high disk activity isn't helping the playback issue (assuming it's not caused by the buffering thread itself) so your watermark theory could be the problem with playback - or could just be that the disk activity is so bad - the buffering thread can't fill the pcmbuf fast enough 11.17.53 Quit Zagor_test2 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 11.19.39 Join rockho [0] (i=rocko@71.80.121.24) 11.20.30 # GodEater: Sounds like it would be best to investigate the disk activity first. 11.20.34 Nick Weiss_ is now known as Weiss (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 11.21.27 # making a logf build right now 11.22.44 # You may want to put some logf stuff into firmware/common/file.c 11.23.02 # Any lower-level and it might be hard to interpret 11.23.03 # I'm just going to see what happens with the defaults first 11.23.07 # OK 11.23.17 # ipod is on, no playback yet 11.23.23 # disk is spinning madly 11.23.37 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 11.23.37 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.23.38 # playback starts 11.23.44 # no WPS updates yet 11.23.49 # Cool, you should be able to go and dump your logf already 11.23.53 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 11.23.53 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 11.24.01 # I mean, you've seen the bad behaviour 11.24.24 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.24.56 # still can't stop playback 11.25.57 # hard reset is the only way now 11.26.12 # In which case you lose your logf 11.26.23 # crap 11.26.42 # the disk didn't stop spinning the entire time 11.27.00 # Do you have database auto-update enabled? 11.27.10 # * pondlife hopes not 11.27.56 # it appears I do 11.27.56 # Also try disabling dircache, if you have that enabled 11.27.58 # I'll turn it off 11.28.15 # Dircache and database startup scans are good for disk activity 11.28.17 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3049.gwdg.de) 11.30.14 # when I hit logfdump, do I get a success message or anything ? 11.30.21 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.30.52 # * GodEater hasn't used a logf build before 11.31.00 Join Neovangl1st [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 11.35.09 Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.35.45 # Not sure 11.35.51 # I have dircache enabled on most of my swcodec targets, but no database auto-updates or database in ram 11.36.05 # I've only really used it on the sim, when it can dump to stdout 11.36.11 # * amiconn somehow suspects the changed database auto-update to be the culprit 11.36.21 # * pondlife agrees 11.36.42 # GodEater: I take it you are now able to stop playback then? 11.37.19 # Something is wrong if the UI is completely locked due to heavy disk i/o anyway, no? 11.38.16 # hmm 11.38.20 Quit rocko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.38.27 # logf and logfdump do zip as far as I can tell 11.38.31 Quit Neovanglist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.38.40 # logfdump should make a file in the root 11.38.40 # playback is now stoppable though yes 11.39.00 # nope - there's nothing there 11.39.03 # So there's still disk activity, just less insane? 11.39.12 # Might be in .rockbox, can't remember.. 11.39.23 # yes, somewhat less insane ;) 11.39.52 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.40.09 # I've long found database update slowed down the UI too much to be usable, before or after the last set of updates... 11.40.20 # I mean, auto-update 11.40.35 # yes - thats certainly the case here 11.40.42 # The occasional triggered update is ok, as long a I don't plan to do much else. 11.41.02 # This is on an H300, so not with particularly slow disk i/o. 11.41.28 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 11.41.44 # still getting lots of disk activity at the moment, and still drop outs, even with tagcache autoupdate set to off 11.42.05 Quit johnh51 (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.42.05 Quit freqmod_nx (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 Quit w23 (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 Quit Nimdae (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 Quit crwl (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 Quit Galois (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 Quit dancek (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.05 Quit joshin (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.10 # dircache is still updating though 11.42.15 Quit xushi (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.15 Quit _stink_ (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.15 Quit roxfan2 (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.15 Quit BHSPitMonkey (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.15 Quit morrijr (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.15 Quit shodanX (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.24 Quit Neovangl1st (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.24 Quit PaulJam (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.24 Quit Nico_P (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.42.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.43.23 # still no logfdump output though 11.43.25 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.43.25 NJoin Neovangl1st [0] (i=Neovangl@chrisg.phx.neovanglist.net) 11.43.25 NJoin PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3049.gwdg.de) 11.43.25 NJoin Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.43.25 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6EE3.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.44.11 NJoin xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 11.44.11 NJoin _stink_ [0] (n=stink@adsl-75-45-94-180.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 11.44.11 NJoin roxfan2 [0] (n=dunno@159.208-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 11.44.11 NJoin BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 11.44.11 NJoin shodanX [0] (n=shodanX@i9a132.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) 11.44.11 NJoin morrijr [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 11.44.21 NJoin johnh51 [0] (n=john@netblock-208-127-94-190.dslextreme.com) 11.44.21 NJoin freqmod_nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no) 11.44.21 NJoin w23 [0] (n=w23@gw.nsib.ru) 11.44.21 NJoin Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@static-71-164-213-195.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 11.44.21 NJoin crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 11.44.21 NJoin dancek [0] (n=hthartik@bast.hut.fi) 11.44.21 NJoin joshin [0] (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) 11.44.21 NJoin Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 11.46.03 Quit xushi (Remote closed the connection) 11.46.18 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 11.46.23 # IMHO priority should be given to (a) UI input (b) audio playback (c) dircache scan - shouldn't the kernel now handle that, or are all threads running at realtime priority? 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12.53.25 # logf 12.53.40 # probably explains the issue then :) 12.53.45 # Indeedy 12.53.55 # in the sim, if you enable logf, logf calls get printed to stdout like DEBUGF calls 12.54.01 Quit MethoS_mobile (Remote closed the connection) 12.54.28 # files to enable it in then gentlemen ? 12.54.39 # buffering.c I would imagine 12.54.43 # but anywhere else ? 12.55.05 # file.c maybe 12.55.16 # but there might not be any logf calls in there 12.55.36 Join locu64 [0] (n=ltx@124-170-27-50.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.55.36 # would adding -DLOGF_ENABLE to my CFLAGS not just do it for all files ? 12.55.47 # is rockbox on 2g nano yet lolz 12.55.51 # locu64: no 12.55.59 # f#$@ 12.56.25 # GodEater: probably, yes 12.56.52 # i think i will have to buy a 1g nano just to play mods and sids.. 12.57.05 # gonna get some lunch, then will be back to continue debugging 12.57.06 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-214-038.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.57.08 # 15 mins or so 12.58.00 # GodEater: thanks a lot for helping out with this 12.58.04 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 12.58.06 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-218-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.58.12 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-218-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.58.25 Quit Casainho (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.58.38 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-43-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) 13.04.28 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.05.05 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955E18D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.07.39 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.08.26 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.09.16 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-39-120.dsl.telesp.net.br) 13.17.12 # pixelma, Llorean : around ? 13.17.12 Join m0f0x__ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-49-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) 13.18.03 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.18.08 # Bagder: here is the schematic for the secondary board: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1 13.18.31 # Bagder: are missing the buttons, I will do that later 13.24.20 # no need to tell me, I check it out when I see changes 13.24.33 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.25.02 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.29.01 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.29.44 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955B620.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.30.31 # Bagder: okok :-) - thanks for listen me :-) :-) 13.31.04 # it'll be fun to see you finally getting started on that thing... 13.32.11 # I already started... I got the LCD 13.32.19 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 13.32.19 # ah 13.32.26 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-48-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) 13.33.16 # but the important is the main board, and I will just buy next month - I am starting to looking at software, understand the minimal drivers that I must write to see a "hello world" on the LCD :-) 13.33.16 # new fancy feature in the irc web reader: click a nick to highlight all lines from a person 13.33.41 # coooooool 13.34.02 # I can I delete files on TWiki pages? 13.34.30 # oh fancy! 13.34.34 # Zagor: ...if it only worked... 13.34.41 # it works for me 13.34.47 # LinusN: it only works for "normal" nicks. no [| etc 13.34.55 # aha 13.35.07 # it doesn't work for any nick in my browser 13.35.15 # ! which browser is that? 13.35.50 # Firefox 2.0.0.11 in windows 13.35.52 # the differences between firefox on windows and firefox on linux never ceases to surprise me 13.36.06 # wow 13.36.13 # I have 2.0.0.11 on linux 13.36.14 # ehum, maybe i'm wrong 13.36.25 # i was too impatient 13.36.37 # so it's slow? 13.36.44 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 13.36.45 # it took a few seconds before the highlight showed 13.36.49 Quit m0f0x__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.37.06 # hmm, are you on a very slow machine? 13.37.14 # not *very* slow 13.37.27 Quit krazykit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.37.34 # Casainho_: no you can't 13.37.36 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 13.37.52 # p4 3ghz 13.38.09 # and it takes several seconds?? 13.38.11 # takes 2-3 secs 13.38.16 # yikes 13.38.23 # Bagder: so, can I upload files and after some time, ask to some moderator to delete? 13.38.24 # for me it's a fraction of a second 13.38.27 # closer to 2 13.38.39 # Casainho_: yes 13.38.51 # Bagder: :-) 13.40.30 # the highlighting is almost immediately here, I'm also on windows, firefox 2.0.0.11 13.41.05 # maybe it takes LinusN two seconds to click on the nick? B-] 13.43.43 # it doesn't seem to work here 13.43.52 # firefox 2.0.0.11, linux 13.44.26 # haha 13.44.38 # javascript in a nutshell 13.44.53 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.44.54 # Seems to work instantly here (Linux, FF 2.0.0.10) 13.44.58 # Nico_P: try clearing your cache 13.45.03 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-55-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) 13.45.39 Quit locu64 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.45.49 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 13.46.13 # Zagor: ah, works now :) 13.46.44 # Casainho_: so did you decide to boot from the serial flash? 13.47.34 # very nice feature 13.47.49 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.47.54 # Bagder: I don't know :-) 13.47.54 # well, what alternatives do you have? 13.47.55 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 13.48.19 # I am trying to understand :-) - I know know that bootloader is the code that msut be in boot flash memory and after mount FAT file system where the rest of RB code is... 13.48.54 # right, it should basically init some hw and load rockbox from FAT and start it 13.49.00 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955F52D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.49.13 # typically it needs to setup the SDRAM at least 13.49.24 # I have a Sansa.. and sinse I understand, It boot from the same flash IC as where it have the FAT file system... 13.49.33 # nope 13.49.52 # The sansas boot from a flash that isn't the nand 13.50.01 # then it loads the secondary bootloader from the nand 13.50.05 # which then loads the firmware 13.50.56 # and in this case "sansas" mean both c200 and e200 13.51.17 # Zagor: Hmm, on IE7/Windows, the first highlight works. Any subsequent attempt gives an error 13.51.37 # so, RB bootloader in Sansa V1 E200 is in the nand? 13.51.41 # pondlife: yeah I saw that. but how do I get to see the error? 13.51.49 # Line: 134, Char: 9, Error: Invalid property value. 13.51.53 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.00 # Casainho_: yes, the rb bootloader on sansas replaces the main firmware so it is on the nand 13.52.32 # Zagor: All I can do is click down where it says "Error on page." ;) 13.53.06 # pondlife: that didn't work on my browser... 13.53.29 # try again now (make sure reader.js is refreshed) 13.53.44 Join m0f0x__ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-61-106.dsl.telesp.net.br) 13.54.05 # Yep, that's fixed 13.54.12 # good. thanks. 13.54.38 # A bit slow here too, about 5 seconds.. 13.54.52 # yeah it's astonishingly slow in ie7 13.55.28 # * pondlife fires up the fox 13.56.04 # Bagder: the main firmware? - or the second boot loader? - the first bootloader counts as firmware also, no? 13.56.40 Quit at0m|c (Connection reset by peer) 13.56.48 # Casainho_: the original sansa does this: #1 BL, # 2nd BL, #3 firmware 13.57.07 # Casainho_: rockbox on sansa does this #1 BK, #2 BL, #3 rockbox BL, #4 rockbox 13.57.13 # s/BK/BL 13.57.32 # Bagder: BK?? what that means? 13.57.34 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.57.43 # s/BK/BL means BK should be replaced with BL 13.58.43 # well, I dopn't get it :-) - #1 BL is in what memory? - can we erase it? 13.58.56 # #1 is in a boot rom/flash that isn't the nand 13.59.21 # but all this isn't strictly related to your problem 13.59.30 # you build a player from start, with no embedded nand 13.59.53 # the sansas have embeded nand and we had to adjust rockbox to their boot process 14.00.38 # again, can you see _any_ alternative to booting from the serial flash? 14.01.04 # no Bagder, I don't know how to boot, I was trying to understand/learn with ohter systems... 14.01.19 # booting means reading the code from somewhere to be able to execute it 14.01.37 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955CA0E.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.01.53 # afaiu, the serial nor flash is the only place that exists within the (planned) player 14.02.07 # bootflashes are often NOR flash chips, maybe we can use the term bootflash or NOR flash to distinguish from the NAND one 14.02.29 # petur: yes, but this MCU can in fact boot from nand as well 14.02.30 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-338607.home.otenet.gr) 14.02.36 # aha 14.02.37 # okok, but I was expecting to use the same flash IC, in this case the 512MB NAND Flash 14.02.55 # Casainho_: so you are going to have an embedded nand flash? 14.03.18 # well, this dev board have that 512MB NAND Flash 14.03.27 # yes, but I speak about the player 14.03.38 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.03.39 # I don't know :-) 14.03.46 # for the dev board you don't have to flash at all 14.03.50 # you can just load over ethernet 14.04.15 # or whatever 14.04.17 # I was think in a system with 8 MB flash memory just for RB... and use a SD falsh card for files... 14.04.58 # that could work indeed 14.05.14 # with a tiny part of that set read-only after you put the BL there 14.05.21 # and the rest used as FAT fs 14.06.07 # * Bagder fades away for now 14.07.29 # Bagder: as you can see, I am realy new to this systems :-) - I would apreciate guidelines for this :-) - please leave ideias at forum, for tehm be registerd and others can read and comment, help... 14.08.12 # Casainho_: anything said in this channel is "registered" for people to read and comment on 14.09.16 # GodEater: yes, but I assume that people will not search for what they don't know that exist... in forum, chats are catalogued 14.09.49 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 14.09.51 # GodEater: and chats are mix with others chats, is a confusion 14.09.54 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 14.09.56 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.10.05 # :-) 14.10.29 # you can provide links in the forum to the relevant parts of the day when conversation is had about your project though... 14.10.39 # which means Bagder doesn't have to do extra work :) 14.13.23 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.14.10 Quit Mathiasdm (Client Quit) 14.14.24 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 14.15.29 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955F52D.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.16.37 # Casainho_: just read about your project on the wiki, I just want to tell you good luck ! 14.16.40 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-10-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) 14.16.40 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 14.18.03 # GodEater: well, organized information gives work :-) - TWiki pages and forum are important! and yes, specially TWiki pages gives work but are much better than links to IRC chats :-) 14.18.23 # cut and paste then ? :) 14.18.25 # TiMiD[FD]: thank you :-) 14.18.44 # GodEater: I am being doing that copy-paste :-) 14.19.26 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@cpe-74-71-205-222.twcny.res.rr.com) 14.21.47 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 14.21.57 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 14.22.09 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtj8.cable.mindspring.com) 14.23.15 # A while back on one of the mailing lists there was mention of a 50-PIN to ZIF adapter for 1.8" drives. Is there any word on that? 14.23.45 # Davide-NYC: I believe LinusN is due to take delivery of one shortly 14.24.00 # Any idea on price? 14.24.05 Quit m0f0x__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.24.12 # see the first post 14.24.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2008-01/0004.shtml 14.25.02 # 27 Euros... Ouch. 14.25.13 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 14.25.30 # LinusN did mention that he fears the adapter will not fit in the h120 14.25.48 # no more info :( 14.26.20 # Urghh. Well, if LinusN is wrong and it does in fact fit I'd probably purchase 4. 14.28.12 Part LinusN 14.28.28 # I can't believe it will fit either (although I've only seen the interior of the H140) 14.28.32 # it's *tight* in there 14.28.41 # Is there a pic of said adapter? 14.28.51 # not that I've seen 14.29.17 # well, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for the info. 14.29.22 # later. 14.29.25 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 14.31.41 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A5A.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.33.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet17.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.33.37 # amiconn: I think nearly every report of high disk activity has been on an iPod Video. 14.34.34 # * GodEater thought amiconn still had LinusN's 5.5G 14.35.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.36.29 # I thought LinusN also had a 5G ipod... 14.36.54 # Forget me, I got that reversed... 14.39.45 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 14.39.46 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.40.22 Quit Siku (Remote closed the connection) 14.41.05 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.163) 14.44.25 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.48.26 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@140.141.29.54) 14.49.55 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 14.51.48 Join thgz [0] (n=thgz@dsl-lprgw5-fe5fdc00-169.dhcp.inet.fi) 14.53.06 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 15.00.49 # i have a sansa c240 and a 1gb micrsd card ... as long as there is nothing on the sd card, the original firmware boots when i connect the usb cable, and on my pc it show 2 'drives' .. after i put files on it, the firmware doesn't connect to the pc when plug in the usb cable ...when i remove the sd card all is well again, ... but i have to use a card reader then to change the content of the microsd card :S 15.01.59 # have you tried removing the card, booting into the OF, then inserting the card? 15.02.23 # Waldo_: Try to put the sd card to sansa when the original firmware has booted up and connected to the computer 15.02.24 # krazykit: while it's on ? 15.02.53 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.252.33) 15.03.38 # hmmm that seems to work indeed , tnx ... 15.04.37 # so i have to reinsert the card everytime i want to change the content ... that's quite fucked up for OF, i would accept that from oss software .... 15.06.50 # Why would OSS do that? We fix our bugs... 15.06.57 Join webguest73 [0] (n=5848fc9f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a4c5fae74078742) 15.07.10 # ... after a while :P 15.07.22 Quit webguest73 (Client Quit) 15.07.56 # damn, now the OF crashes ... "refresh database" 15.08.13 # You obviously haven't seen as many "professional" firmwares as we have... 15.08.50 # :D 15.09.13 Join smorar [0] (n=smorar@dsl-245-185-179.telkomadsl.co.za) 15.09.13 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aed0598867ac34c2) 15.09.37 # * preglow notices we still have that limits bug 15.10.00 # hi, can someone grant me Wiki write permisson? my wikiname is SameerMorar 15.10.02 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 15.10.10 # smorar: Sure. Hang on a sec. 15.10.12 # does that include the acceptance of this CRASH on the "refresh database" screen ? ... it keeps doing that 15.10.38 # i have to press the power button for 10 secs 15.11.25 # smorar: All set. 15.11.29 # LambdaCalculus37: thanks :) 15.12.08 Join advlaptop2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 15.12.36 Quit advlaptop2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.14.25 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.17.05 Part smorar 15.20.53 Part Llorean 15.24.06 # waldo_: Maybe I exaggerated slightly when I said we fix our bugs. There may be one or two left in our bug tracker... 15.26.03 # well ... somehow rockbox doesn't initialise its database ... it says everytime it isn't ready and wether i want to init it now ... 15.26.40 Quit micr0c0sm ("Leaving") 15.26.44 # ... quite like the original firmware :S ... 15.26.45 # who is Mr. tagcache these days then ? :) 15.27.06 # gonna boot to windows to update the OF ... just saw that it's quite an old one 15.27.10 # waldo_: That would point to some strangeness with your files. If we could isolate that strangeness, we could fix Rockbox. 15.27.26 # i.e. if neither the OF or Rockbox like them... 15.27.40 # can i see on wich file it hangs ? 15.27.49 # Or it could be a corrupt filesystem - have you checked it for errors/ 15.27.50 # ? 15.28.01 # how do i do that ? 15.28.22 # From WIndows, "chkdsk /f x:" (where x: is the drive letter given to your Sansa) 15.28.42 # im a linux user :S 15.28.48 # GodEater: mr tagcache is still slasheri 15.28.55 # Then fsck.vfat /dev/sdX1 15.29.08 # unmounted i guess ? 15.29.17 # Yep. 15.29.39 # But you may want to check the manpage for it as well. 15.32.37 # linuxstb: fsck.vfat /dev/sdi1 gives "Invalid disk format in boot sector." 15.33.45 # Not a good start... /dev/sdi1 is the device Linux mounts to give you access to your files? 15.34.29 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 15.34.41 # linuxstb: yes 15.35.08 # linuxstb: not the microsd though 15.38.15 # If it was me, I would just reformat it and then unzip rockbox.zip again and retransfer some music. 15.38.54 Quit MethoS-- (Network is unreachable) 15.38.55 # reformat ... in the OF ? 15.39.48 # linuxstb: or from a pc ... cause then i delete the OF .. i guess 15.40.11 # Nico_P: so he's "cacheri" in more ways than one then ;) 15.40.36 # waldo_: From a PC. The OF is stored in the second partition, so should be safe. Although I don't own a Sansa, so am not sure what (if any) files from the FAT32 partition the OF needs. 15.42.18 # hmmm, on the partition i will format there is a SYSTEM directory ... can i find somewhere wether i may format it ? 15.43.52 # hehe :) 15.44.02 # GodEater: any luck with logf? 15.44.18 # waldo_: I've exhausted my Sansa knowledge - you'll need to wait and hope someone else can help you... 15.46.08 # linuxstb: i've always depended on the kindness of strangers :) 15.48.18 Join micr0c0sm [0] (n=micr0c0s@ool-45714941.dyn.optonline.net) 15.56.18 # waldo_: I can only share user experience (not sure enough about the partitions to dare giving you an advice) but - when I plug my c250 from an "off state" to USB with inserted microSD, the OF starts but doesn't register the data connection. I also have to take the microSD out and wait for the connection to be established then I can insert it again. 15.57.29 # pixelma: any experience with formating the damn thing ? 15.57.52 # and are you sure your Sansa crashes in the "Refresh database" screen, because on mine it just stays ages with the "full" progressbar but will finish 15.58.08 # waldo_: nope, didn't need to do it yet 15.58.51 # Nico_P: sorry - really busy at work today - haven't had a chance 16.01.01 Join BobShield [0] (i=rshield@c-24-15-123-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.01.33 # waldo_: addition to my statement about the refresh database progressbar - if you leave the microSD plugged the OF will start a second run (searching the card I assumme) that's why I always take it out again before disconnecting 16.04.48 # pixelma: what version of the OF are you running ? 16.05.06 # about the two partitions I just know that the smaller one is the "system" partition which is 16MB IIRC 16.06.28 # waldo_: a very old one... 1.00.04F 16.06.42 Quit TiMiD[FD] ("leaving") 16.07.27 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.07.38 Quit xushi () 16.09.33 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 16.10.12 # pixelma: Have you ever deleted the "system" folder on your c250? 16.10.15 # pixelma: min is a 1.00.3E ... so i'd like to update it .. but seen as how it seems my partion's filesystem maight be a bit 'quirky' ... i'd like to fix that first before updating the OF 16.11.23 # linuxstb: no 16.13.52 # just saw http://mp3support.sandisk.com/mp3/updatefirmware.wmv and the guy says that the updater writes a file to the player and then when you disconnect it the player updates itself .. so if my partition is no longer ok .. it could go haywire since it doesn't write to the hidden partition directly 16.26.45 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 16.28.27 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A5A.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.28.44 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 16.29.30 Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) 16.29.39 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 16.30.57 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 16.31.01 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 16.35.09 Join magpie [0] (n=magpie@75.141.14.210) 16.35.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.35.58 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.36.10 # e280...when i select one of the original sansa photos nothing happens...doesnt' display 16.36.21 # wonder what happened there 16.36.51 # Rockbox can only view .jpg files. What format are those photos? 16.36.55 # formatting it from the OF and reinstalling rockbox fixed the DB problem ... fsck.vfat still give same arror though 16.37.00 # ok! 16.37.01 # ty 16.37.15 # but i can live with this situation :) 16.37.19 # waldo_: as I said, I can't and don't want to give you advice about reformating but when you figured it out and are set for an OF upgrade - in versions 1.01.05/06 Sandisk removed the MSC mode (USB) setting, I've heard that this is no problem under linux but I'd avoid it 16.37.24 # and they should be resized to the size of the screen, right? 16.37.55 # magpie: Rockbox will do approximate resizing of jpegs, but only by a factor of 2 (1/2, 1/4, 1/8) 16.37.58 # i had a couple of v2s 16.38.06 # ok 16.38.23 # is there a way to get rockbox on the v2? 16.38.42 # linuxstb, magpie: if I remember correctly the e200 OF stores its photos as bmp and also slightly larger than the display size 16.38.51 # i guess i should ask: is there a way to rollback the firmware on v2 so i can put rockbox on? 16.39.01 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=nonofyer@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.39.14 # magpie: It's not a firmware issue, the hardware is completely different in the v2. 16.39.24 # * pixelma is too slow 16.39.26 # ah, the chip, right? 16.40.01 # Hmm.. Flyspray gives weird mime warnings when posting comments. Posting *does* occur however. 16.41.41 # pixelma: removed MSC ?? but the sansa updater itself needs the player to be put in MSC ... that makes it the final firmware update u guess ;) 16.44.53 # waldo_: no, they removed the setting. It is possible to roll the firmware back you can still get into it by a sequence of holding buttons, switch hold and so on - it is described here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode_Firmware_Downgrade_R 16.45.04 Quit BobShield ("leaving") 16.45.37 # jhMikeS: cool, i think i had a hang because of that yesterday :) 16.46.19 # can't wait for a working USB stack then, and get rid of the OF once and for all 16.46.27 # Sandisk seems to be fond of this method to get the player in specific "mode" (recovery mode, manufacturer mode and whatnot) 16.46.43 # *modes 16.47.01 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 16.47.03 # When I play an mp3 file and stop it either pressing stop or shut-downing the device, and when continuing playback, Rockbox switches automatically to next track... 16.47.05 # * preglow loves the spc codec 16.47.34 # waldo_: Bet you anything that there will be cheers galore across the forums and IRC when the USB stack is working. 16.47.38 # It don't remember the position... 16.48.06 # thgz: What device? 16.50.31 # * PaulPosition loves Buschel (not in a gay way). 6:49 runtime vs. 7:15 in the OF, that PortalPlayer support is slowly getting there :D 16.51.08 # PaulPosition: Which device is that on? 16.51.38 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 16.52.10 # Linuxstb - H10 5gb and oooold battery. :p 16.52.41 # (OF benched through recording output and looking at wave's lenght) 16.53.17 # (IIRC, it was you who suggested this, long time ago... :p ) 16.55.07 # PaulPosition: Imagine what the runtime might be with a fresh battery... :) 16.58.46 # Lambda - True, might get close to the advertised 12hrs. Gotta have a look at ebay. :p 16.58.57 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4051.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.59.49 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.00.12 # PaulPosition: Batteries for the H10 pop up there quite often, and usually for $10 USD or so. 17.03.51 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 17.05.55 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.104.192.30) 17.14.17 # LamblacAlculus37: Sansa E250 17.15.41 # Don't own that device. 17.15.59 # Insert "I" into the above 17.16.08 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.16.51 # Does anyone remember the sequencer someone wrote for the h100? What happened to it? 17.18.40 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 17.20.10 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178085021.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.20.27 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 17.20.36 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (i=kugel@e178085021.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.23.23 # http://www.geocities.com/henriksens2710/stepseq.htm <-- there it is 17.24.32 # Wonder if it'll still compile... 17.25.28 Nick advlaptop2019_ is now known as advlaptop2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 17.25.37 # I have an old build with it included. Dated 2005-09-29, for h100 17.26.00 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A5A.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.54 Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) 17.35.00 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.227.32.48) 17.41.12 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A5A.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.42.16 Quit magpie ("uh-oh...iceberg failure") 17.42.29 # If (big IF) I wanted to try and build myself (and why not others) an ear-training plugin/game (notes, intervals, scales/chords) what would you guys think I should try to highjack/salvage from for sound? midi-plugin? (I guess it'd be simpler to go the 'metronome' way and limit myself to one octave using a dozen mp3s..?) 17.48.19 Join styleism [0] (n=sfgfadga@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 17.55.43 # someone said that the sansa c200 v2 is too slow for rockbox .. does that mean that there will never be a build for it ? 'cause a friend of mine is waiting to buy a v2 untill there is a rockbox build available for it ... guess he could wait a long time then ... 17.55.53 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 17.56.56 # waldo_: Whoever said that is speaking rubbish. The c200 v2 is also internally different, just like the e200 v2 is different internally from the v1. 17.58.41 # (which means he could wait longer still :p ) 17.59.34 Join macro182 [0] (n=marco@82.48.241.240) 18.00.00 # But it has nothing to do with speed 18.00.37 # arg, i tryed the manual restore for my ipod (as itunes didnt want to restore it), and now it tells me to connect the wallcharger, and i dont have one :-/ 18.03.03 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 18.03.20 # Domonoky: Which ipod is that? 18.03.42 # 4th gen, greyscale 18.03.45 Quit jott (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.04.20 Part macro182 18.04.59 # LambdaCalculus37: i'll tell him the good and the bad news :D 18.05.54 Part thgz 18.05.59 Join ipoduser [0] (n=93e60efd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5368bd74d81d60fb) 18.07.11 # hi all, please help. I cannot connect my ipodnano 1G after applying mbr-nano4gb.bin with dd command! 18.08.40 Join jott [0] (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) 18.09.58 # it does not show up anymore when I plug it in under my kubuntu 18.10.31 # * Domonoky heads out to buy this damnd ipod wallcharger.. :-/ 18.11.11 # I have a fix for FS#8461 does it make sense to save the "Toggle Slideshow" setting too? 18.12.19 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.14.19 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.14.25 # I followed the guide at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 because I run linux but at the step d) it does not connect again to my pc 18.14.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.15.41 # I used the linux dd command, was that not right? 18.16.19 # did you change the /dev stuff appropriately? 18.16.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 18.16.35 # so /dev/sdX versus /dev/diskX 18.17.05 # i used /dev/sdb as I found it in qtparted 18.17.07 Mode "#rockbox +o lostlogic " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 18.17.14 Mode "#rockbox -o lostlogic " by lostlogic (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 18.18.08 Join webguest55 [0] (n=5a911fc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8f6a487335a09988) 18.18.32 Quit webguest55 (Client Quit) 18.20.01 # ipoduser, i'm really not familiar with troubleshooting this particular process. when you plug it in again, you should at least see something in dmesg 18.20.43 # do i just run dmesg from konsole? 18.20.51 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.21.19 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 18.22.03 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4051.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.22.45 # ipoduser, yep. you should also see nodes in /dev created 18.22.54 # [ 194.728000] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2[ 194.848000] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71[ 195.072000] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 18.23.12 # and later: 18.23.16 # [ 716.316000] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9[ 716.724000] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71 18.26.41 # ipoduser: Is your ipod in disk mode? 18.27.04 # no 18.27.11 Quit Casainho_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 18.27.17 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 18.27.23 # ipoduser: Then your computer won't see it... 18.27.38 # linuxstb, it asks me to select my language always I connect it now 18.28.12 # Reboot (hold menu+select for a few seconds), then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY. 18.28.30 # Your ipod should go into the black-and-white disk mode screen. 18.28.52 # i'm in disk mode, wow! 18.30.16 # it should be /dev/sdb now i think from what i see in dmesg 18.31.16 # qt parted says there are two partitions 18.31.30 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A7929.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.31.43 # ipoduser, that sounds correct. you should be able to continue with the instructions 18.31.50 # can i format the larger second one? 18.32.35 # linuxstb, krazykit, thank you folks! 18.33.31 # ipoduser, the instructions should fill you in for the rest of the process :) 18.34.20 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.34.23 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.35.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.35.34 Quit Arathis (Nick collision from services.) 18.35.39 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A7929.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.43.30 Quit ipoduser ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.44.58 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@228-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.56.59 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@c5147518c.cable.wanadoo.nl) 18.59.49 Quit ch4os_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.00.10 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@g132.brzezno.univ.gda.pl) 19.02.19 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.03.12 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955BFD9.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.03.13 # fun: the manual restore didnt restore the ipod correctly, but the ipodpatcher failed to add the bootloader, and instead fixed apple os :-) 19.11.00 Join jcollie_ [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 19.13.42 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-255-142-39.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 19.19.11 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0065@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2d4f28450e84b8b) 19.19.34 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955F52D.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.21.01 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 19.26.52 Quit jcollie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.27.02 Nick jcollie_ is now known as jcollie (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 19.27.39 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C996.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.33.15 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.35.05 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.35.16 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.49 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.38.47 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.40.12 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.104.192.30) 19.43.02 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.43.57 Quit MethoS- (Connection timed out) 19.48.54 Join toens [0] (i=t@c1-149-1.tbnb.isadsl.co.za) 19.49.30 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.50.38 Join webguest52 [0] (n=a9f44693@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.50.43 Quit webguest52 (Client Quit) 19.51.01 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.227.32.48) 19.53.47 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.58.10 Quit bertrik ("bye") 20.03.10 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 20.05.16 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-142-132.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.06.28 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965A5A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.08.27 Quit petur ("switching") 20.10.14 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C2B405.access.telenet.be) 20.10.31 Join Weejay [0] (n=vavarach@38.112.25.6) 20.11.24 # Hi guys! Just wanted to report back that rockbox works very well on my Sana e260. It is ridiculous how easy everything was....and I did it the manual route :-D 20.11.57 # I am able play flack and ogg :-D 20.12.04 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.13.12 # the only issue I noticed is that after I uploaded my ogg and flac files, suddenly I do not see the MUSIC folder. I just see the root folder, and selecting it just takes me to the songs. 20.13.19 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.15.07 # Weejay: The Sansa hides the MUSIC folder. You can either unhide it, or make a new folder to put your music in. 20.15.23 # How can I unhide it. That is so silly :-P 20.15.25 # If you reboot into sansa firmware it will re-hide the folder every time. 20.15.57 # You can use the quickmenu (probably long press of left/cancel or some such) and set the file-view to ALL instead of 'supported' 20.16.02 # (in rockbox, that is) 20.16.12 # I'm not sure which key it is for sansa's 20.16.51 # found it...nice! 20.18.11 # also I was wondering, does rockbox use linux kernel??? I am not sure what is involved in the firmware 20.18.45 # No, Rockbox is its own kernel. 20.18.54 # Weejay: no rockbox is written from scratch, no linux in it.. 20.19.09 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 20.19.13 # Cool. Micro-kernel or monolithic? 20.19.50 # man you guy have done a awesome job! I most impressed by the fact that you have one image for all supported devices. 20.19.54 # a/an 20.20.10 # wrong 20.20.28 # petur: ?? 20.20.34 # there is one source for all device, but seperate builds.. 20.20.39 # there's no image for all players 20.20.47 # * petur slow 20.20.56 # Unless you mean the actual pictures.. 20.20.57 # ah. gocha. 20.21.13 # pictures? 20.21.14 # rasher: no i was incorrect. 20.21.26 # petur: we have a picture for all supported devices 20.23.38 # * petur gives up and minds his own business 20.23.50 Quit JdGordon|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.24.51 # Weejay: the rockbox kernel is very small, it doesnt have many features, and i think its monolithic.. 20.25.26 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0065@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-08e76d4b09857f24) 20.25.49 # Weejay: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel 20.27.26 Quit stripwax_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.27.55 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.28.01 # my ipod video stalls on "Rockbox loaded." -- how can i emergency boot it to start the installation again?> 20.28.15 # (i cant load original firmware either) 20.28.36 # toens: reboot and go into diskmode.. (button combos for this is in the manual i think) 20.28.39 # when the light of the apple boot logo turns on, turn the hold switch to on 20.28.49 # oh, wait.. 20.28.53 # emergency boot. 20.28.57 # nevermin 20.28.59 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.29.36 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.29.53 Part Weejay 20.29.53 # * petur wants to teach logbot about http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 20.31.31 # thanks 20.31.37 # petur, that page is helpful 20.31.43 # * scorche|w wants to teach logbot to use messages to the channel and PMs instead of notices 20.32.33 Join SacredTerror [0] (n=Miranda@pool-71-190-214-151.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) 20.33.40 Quit JdGordon|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.33.45 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0065@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-84bec70216d98daf) 20.35.22 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D187.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.35.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.40.55 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.42.58 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 20.43.14 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.44.02 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955C996.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.45.03 # "The reset procedure is hard-wired to the iPod, thus it will work always. You might need to hold down the described buttons for quite a while (up to 30 seconds or similar)." - i've done this three times for a minute each time. still not resetting :/ 20.45.49 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.45.58 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 20.46.21 # then either you have something very broken, your battery is dead, or you are doing it wrong 20.46.41 # flip the hold switch on, then off, then hold menu + select for a bit 20.46.49 # try not to move your fingers 20.47.05 # that's exactly what i did. 20.47.29 # i deleted the "Notes" and "Calendar" folder from my ipod's root directory 20.47.44 # could that be causing all this?> 20.47.59 # No, I don't think so. 20.59.33 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.03.39 Join aramil [0] (n=tony@athedsl-121170.home.otenet.gr) 21.09.18 Part Silenus 21.13.50 Join trypt [0] (n=hi@64.213.221.92) 21.20.58 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.29 # guess i should charge the battery to full 21.30.59 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.34.40 # amiconn: here? 21.37.18 Quit PaulJam (".") 21.40.10 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3066.gwdg.de) 21.42.10 Quit bnakibclf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.43.41 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 21.48.15 # noob question: in diskmode (on the ipod), can i format the drive with windows and then install rockbox? will the original firmware still be there? 21.48.38 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 21.50.38 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008012204]") 21.51.42 Quit Mathiasdm2 ("Yuuw!") 21.52.02 Quit Hadaka (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.05 Join Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 21.56.02 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 21.57.09 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.59.02 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@62.218.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 22.00.06 # so, i installed rockbox on my 5g ipod 22.00.31 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@84.119.0.201) 22.00.44 # now when i plug it into my comp it detects it as a "Rock Box Media player" but i can't install drivers for it 22.00.57 # any suggestions? 22.01.34 # SmilinBob: the USB stack isn't yet functional enough to allow file transfer 22.01.40 # Use the original firmware to transfer the files 22.01.43 # all you can do for now is charge the player 22.02.01 # "New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows." (from the front page) 22.02.21 # oh, must have missed that 22.02.43 # so i have to boot into the apple firmware to transfer songs? 22.03.02 # Yes 22.03.05 # Or disk mode 22.05.58 # thanks 22.08.41 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 22.09.27 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.10.16 Join enialis [0] (n=tony@85.72.160.146) 22.10.21 Quit enialis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.15.46 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.16.13 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.16.14 # how am i supposed to reset my ipod when the key combo to reset it is the same as the key combo that boots rockbox? 22.16.49 # toens: its not the same, the timing differs.. and the combo loads the OF not rockbox.. 22.17.23 # Domonoky, no OF is just the menu button. 22.17.30 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.40 # i've tried many different timings 22.17.50 # (and i've toggled the hold button) 22.18.12 Quit SirFunk (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.30 # you mean select + men ? the reset combo ? 22.18.42 # yeah 22.18.49 # i just wanna reset this thing 22.18.51 # toens: rockbox doesn't have a "key combo" to boot it, unless you are using an unofficial bootloader 22.18.51 # and start over 22.19.05 # the key combination is just hold down select + menu (while the hold switch is 'off') 22.19.15 # select+ menu for ~ 15 seconds should always work.. 22.19.25 # toens - as in, hold them *both* for that time 22.19.38 Quit SmilinBob ("Leaving") 22.20.27 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.20.28 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 22.20.31 # i hold them both. properly. for around 15 seconds. then it just loads rockbox 22.20.43 # this rockbox bootloader is from like a year ago 22.22.29 # maybe i'm resetting it without knowing heh 22.22.33 # toens: after holding the combo, it should reboot, if this is rockbox, its another issue.. 22.22.43 # what happens after a successful reset? 22.23.01 # the screen goes out shortly, then it boots again.. 22.23.03 # shouldnt it restore to factory settings etc> 22.23.15 # no.. it only reboots. 22.23.32 # its like the reset button on you PC.. 22.23.55 # toens: This is a hardware combo - if it doesn't work either you have a hardware problem or you aren't doing it right 22.24.02 # Rockbox does not affect it 22.24.04 # awesome. ive just reset it 100 times 22.24.28 # heh :) 22.24.52 # toens: What are you trying to do the reset for? 22.25.34 Join jimpsm [0] (n=42a87a4f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6db3407164bebc38) 22.26.07 # toens - what are you *trying* to do? reboot? or reset the settings? or boot into the apple os? those are three different things. you are rebooting 22.26.28 # well i tried updating my rockbox version (havent updated in a while). but it would just stall on "Rockbox loaded." 22.26.43 # so naturally i just wanted to start fresh. ie. reset to factory settings and start over 22.26.45 # did you update the bootloader at the same time? 22.26.50 # no 22.26.55 # could you try doing that? 22.27.02 # i would have tried that :p 22.27.10 Quit aramil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.27.20 # "would have"? 22.27.45 # do you not know how? 22.28.43 # it's in the manual 22.28.43 Quit w23 ("Leaving") 22.29.07 Quit JdGordon|w ("CGI:IRC") 22.29.20 # ok .. so I'm guessing that either you haven't tried yet, or you have but it didn't work. not sure what "i would have tried that" means, unfortunately 22.30.14 # It's possible that, if your previous rockbox version was quite old, you would need to update your bootloader too, for the new rockbox installation to work correctly. 22.30.26 # i want the feeling of installing a clean OS on a formatted drive 22.30.34 # but anyway, not serious 22.31.00 # toens - I mean, sure if you want to do that, probably easiest is to run the apple updater, which will zap rockbox and reinstall the apple os (as I understand it) 22.31.07 Quit jimpsm ("CGI:IRC") 22.31.21 # but try reinstalling the (latest) bootloader first. e.g. using RockboxUtility 22.32.03 # ok 22.32.06 # ta 22.32.18 # what is rockbox.ipod btw? 22.32.29 # the main biary 22.32.32 # +n 22.33.18 # alright.. youve all been super helpful 22.33.22 # i go fiddle now *gone* 22.35.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.39.11 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0067@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-64c4a1fdb73e022c) 22.42.20 Quit JdGordon|w (Client Quit) 22.44.15 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 22.46.38 Join midgey_ [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 22.46.38 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.46.56 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.47.56 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 22.48.54 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0065@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ed74125e79881222) 22.48.54 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 22.49.38 Quit grndslm (Remote closed the connection) 22.56.07 # * Buschel plays around with the PCF registers on his 5G 22.58.39 # D3REG seems to be the BCM, D1REG the WM, DCDC1 the CPU 22.58.48 # at least it might be 23.04.44 # anything you might gain by playing around with those? 23.05.06 # D1REG default = 3.0V, works with 2.7V, works with 1.8V, playback fails when switched off 23.06.24 # WM = ? 23.06.36 # the codec 23.06.53 # the dac? 23.07.05 # hmmm that palmtopia.de buildserver is actually slowing down building :/ 23.07.23 # yeah, I'll trim that down to only do sh builds I think 23.07.45 # until the shiny day comes when the build script is improved 23.07.46 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-223-227.net.novis.pt) 23.07.55 # hello Rockbox people :-) 23.08.05 # DCDC2 can be switched off, DCDC1 (CPU?) can lowered to 1.1V. testing 1.0V now 23.08.57 # I would like to know if RB work with USB? and If it works with some kind of wireless? - I am asking this because of planing hte hardware for RB player... 23.09.17 # Casainho, haven 23.09.18 # Casainho: Rockbox has no USB stack or no wireless. 23.09.23 # Buschel - when you say default, that's the level currently set by rockbox? the dac can be lowered from 3.0v to 1.8v? zowie 23.09.29 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.09.35 # also, I don't understand why the ipod 3rd gen is two versions behind. One I can understand as it may be the last one building... but two? 23.09.35 # Rockbox works with USB under certain circumstances. 23.09.50 # Llorean: can you please explain that circunstances? 23.09.55 # stripwax: yes, it isn't set by rockbox. it seems to be default of the power controller 23.10.23 # petur: probably the rbutil commit thaz didn't trigger a build round? 23.10.28 # *that 23.10.34 Quit JdGordon|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.10.55 # but why only one target? 23.11.13 # Casainho: The players it works on have some form of hardware USB-ATA bridge. Ones where we need a software USB stack, it doesn't work with yet 23.11.53 Join uwe__ [0] (n=uwe@dslb-084-056-044-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.12.01 # petur: I thought that was the part you already understood? 23.12.02 # So, It's a good idea to make an hardware with USB, or not? and the same question about wireless like bluetooth... 23.12.05 # 1.0V freezes, trying 1.05V 23.12.40 # Buschel: i would expect the codec to distort more at higher volumes if you lower the voltage too much 23.12.49 # Casainho: adding any sort of wireless connection would require adding a ton of support to Rockbox 23.12.53 # try playing a sine wave at max volume with reduced voltage 23.13.11 # Casainho: but with usb hw like the ones we support you can't do usb host/otg 23.13.15 # preglow: i need to test this, as a first step i am interested in "works on not" 23.13.15 # Llorean: ok, I think I understand that about ATA... I think I saw in sfotware in RB ATA drivers, right? - reading from flash memories, SD card, is with a ATA driver, no? :-) 23.13.19 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@212.23.103.17) 23.13.26 # petur: I'm also only guessing here but your argument seemed logical :) 23.13.27 # no, SD is not ata 23.13.30 # *or 23.14.13 # okok, so, about connectivity, what a hardware player for Rockbox should have? 23.14.30 # pixelma: but the build before this one was done by a 'reliable' server, so I'm clueless about this one... 23.14.37 # Casainho: usb 23.15.20 # petur: yes and the last commit that triggered a rebuild was two revisions behind (because of the rbutil commit) 23.15.21 # Bagder: also SD card, no? - I assume SD card as a way to share files, connect... 23.15.39 # increasing volume => increasing voltage .. 23.16.02 # well, if you count a memory card as "connectivity" then yes 23.16.30 # if the only storage is SD, is it worth adding usb too? 23.17.19 # Bagder: what can you tell-me about the USB on the Atmel AT91SAM9260? - I would like to know If it have some kind of USB-ATA inside or not... 23.17.37 # it needs a usb stack 23.19.22 Join JdGordon|w [0] (n=836b0065@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f11fb4ebc793fb5) 23.20.29 # Bagder: okok :-) - at least, will the SD card work, on that board? 23.20.53 # Bagder: there's something strange with the ipod 3rd gen build: it is now two versions behind and all builds are done. Maybe the copy from palmtopia fails? 23.21.03 # hmm... there are a few more warnings in simulator builds all by the palmtopia.de server (in wma.c) 23.21.55 # somebody kicked the buildserver ;) 23.21.58 # palmtopia will now only build sh builds 23.22.42 # Casainho: sure, with a suitable driver it should 23.22.54 # Bagder: did you end up adding my computer? 23.23.09 # ah no... not yet 23.23.20 # is it fine? 23.23.48 # the quad core is... 23.23.49 # petur: "terminating due to too long operation" 23.24.13 Quit uwe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.15 # kind of silly, since it was ====> <==== this close to finish 23.24.23 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 23.24.27 # heh 23.24.32 Quit MethoS_mobile (Remote closed the connection) 23.24.42 # Bagder: so, the driver in RB for Sansa SD card will not work? - what are the difference? - hardware?... I am lost... :-) 23.25.29 # Casainho: the (micro)sd thing in rockbox is for sansa, I don't know how suitable that is for your setup. should be mostly the same of course 23.26.48 # Casainho: Unless you have the exact same hardware, attached in the exact same way, you'll always have to do some, possibly a lot, of new code. 23.27.06 # Bagder: Okok, I really appreciate the help from everybody. I will now write this on forum, I think is good to understand that there is no need to dream for a super hardware with wireless :-) 23.27.34 # I think your "simple audio player" focus get blurry at times... 23.28.09 # Llorean: in this case, the hardware, is inside the MCU... I thought it was like SPI, I2C, like this protocols... 23.28.29 # spi and i2c are busses 23.28.35 # Bagder: can you please explain? 23.28.38 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 23.28.39 # no 23.28.42 # read wikipedia 23.29.07 # I wouldn't know where to start... 23.29.32 # petur: it was one available (downloadable) version behind, just two revisions 23.29.50 # Bagder: I know what "blurry" means , however... I would like objective words 23.30.03 # ah that 23.30.03 # words, chat... 23.30.12 # I mean that wifi is hardly part of a simple audio player 23.30.22 # you used to skip stuff since you aim at a simple audio player 23.31.02 # yes, but, have logic to skip wireless since It will not work? 23.31.18 # "wireless = hard" 23.31.21 # no, you should skip wifi since it isn't part of a "simple audio player" 23.32.06 # if you want a big fancy and cool feature-packed thing, then add wifi 23.32.18 # but then you should also get a better LCD and whatnot 23.32.33 # but, add wifi for what, If It will not work? 23.32.34 # imho of course 23.32.41 # "will work"? 23.32.42 # imo sd interface (and no usb) would be simpler 23.32.52 # all your stuff will require coding 23.32.59 # some things more than others 23.33.03 # haha 23.33.05 # I think USB is essential. It's a good method to charge, too. 23.33.06 # Casainho - add as many hardware features as you like :) but then how simple is it? 23.33.07 # wifi will require tons of it 23.33.09 # if you're scared writing code, you should get out of this idea 23.33.10 # ah true 23.33.11 # I'd pick USB over an SD card. 23.33.15 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.33.22 # You could always have a full size SD slot. 23.33.33 # Then, in the future, if people want WiFi, they could write drivers for one of those WiFi SD cards. 23.33.36 # "wireless = hard" ... still ... 23.33.41 # indeed 23.33.48 # wireless is quite a task 23.34.10 # not to mention the apps people will want in step #2... 23.34.16 # hehehe 23.34.17 # Llorean: doesn't sdio require hardware support? 23.34.18 # add bluetooth! 23.34.40 # rasher: Yes, but if you're designing a hardware player, you could plan for that in the future, rather than trying to implement wifi from the start,right? 23.34.50 # Pick hardware where sdio is possible. 23.34.58 # yes, sure 23.35.09 # something to keep in mind if you want it extendable though 23.35.16 # Yeah 23.36.22 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 23.36.27 # this possible option: AT91SAM9260 + LCD NOKIA 6610 + 8MB flash + 8/16MB SDRAM + nRF24L01 wireless chip + audio CODEC + Li-ion battery + charger + miniUSB + buttons, price in range of 100 €. 23.36.45 # Why do you want a wireless chip? 23.36.50 # why why why 23.37.00 # writing an ip stack is a full time job 23.37.11 # ip stack is not the problem actually 23.37.15 # lwip is there 23.37.15 # but with bluetooh, instead of that wireless ic... maybe, I don't know 23.37.15 # I'd prefer on-unit storage, and more RAM, than a wireless chip 23.37.48 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 23.38.21 # we could pick an option like that, and chose a better LCD and a good wireless option 23.38.37 # "and"? 23.38.50 # Why do you seem so fixated on wireless? 23.38.57 # * BigBambi joins in with the why wireless (or bluetooth) cries 23.39.19 # the zune has it! 23.39.20 # ;-) 23.39.28 # Sort of :) 23.39.31 # mouse input! ;) 23.39.31 # bluetooth consumes little power and gives you wireless headphones. WiFi consumes much power and gives you little. 23.39.35 # I'd pick Bluetooth over WiFi personally. 23.39.44 # For almost exactly the reason soap just mentioned. 23.39.46 # okok, I just read some other people talking about that, and even that option were proposed buy the guy from Olimex :-) 23.39.49 # soap, Llorean me too, but in this sort of player? 23.39.57 # Not in this sort of player 23.40.18 # well, admit it is not going to "compete" with any factory player on size, price, or capacity. 23.40.20 # I mean, you picked a small screen, tiny RAM... adding WiFi seems very contrary. 23.40.56 # It seems completely out of keeping with the rest of the hardware 23.40.58 # internal interface for future modders is the only thing _I_ would spend money on. 23.41.04 # well, I am talking for next version, not the version using the dev. board... 23.41.12 # how many versions are you designing? 23.41.22 # (and when's the first version come out? :) 23.41.24 # what could be the reason for ipodpatcher failing to install the bootloader? it finds the ipod. then says "request could not be performed because of a device I/O error" 23.41.35 # I don't think of the dev board as a version at all... 23.41.36 Nick phossy is now known as BitTorment (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 23.41.39 # I would have better screen, more ram, on board storage, ... before wifi 23.41.46 # and that's on windows xp as Administrator 23.41.49 Nick BitTorment is now known as BitTormen (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 23.41.53 # toens, I'm not sure of the exact error given - but do you have admin access to the machine you are using RBUtil on? 23.42.16 # i have admin access. not using rbutil, just executing ipodpatcher.exe 23.42.25 Nick BitTormen is now known as BitTorment (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 23.42.48 Quit n1s () 23.43.04 # well, we are talking here about possibilities for future... nothing more. I want to have ideas for futures things, even to say to people what can we have in future If we start working now on that :-) 23.43.39 # I'd say, finish what you've got first. 23.43.42 # Don't confuse things 23.43.58 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.44.25 # Casainho: try not to get ahead of yourself and focus on the first task 23.44.55 # Bagder - out of interest, why would an ip stack be so straightforward (when a usb stack seems so hard)? 23.45.00 # just prevalence? 23.45.17 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.45.20 # stripwax: just that there already exist pretty neat tiny ip stacks 23.45.41 # Bagder: In zune linux? :) 23.45.41 # so with fully documented hw and a dev board, I don't think that's the problem area 23.46.01 # zune linux has it all! 23.46.54 # scorche|w: I am also focus on this task, I am working a bit all days :-) - but I must also plan the future... - okok, enough chat for today :-) - I will go and think on this thiings :-) - nbye bye - good nigh :-) 23.46.55 # heh - so (potentially) wifi might be easier than usb? 23.46.57 # I think the problems with the usb stack is that the behavior of the chip is surprising and we have no proper docs and no dev boards nor analyzing tools 23.47.26 # stripwax: well on such a board the usb parts will be much easier 23.47.34 # Casainho: after you get done with the first generation, you will likely have a completely different view on the 2nd generation 23.47.35 # ah - true. with docs.. 23.47.45 # Yeah, from the sound of it, the USB stack was in a state where all the information we had said it should work, but it wasn't, right? 23.47.56 # atmel even has a freely availabe usb-storage stack for the at91 chips 23.48.08 # not open source, but still food for reading 23.48.31 # Llorean: yes, that's my understanding 23.49.40 Quit ol_schoola (Success) 23.51.59 # toens - hey - is it formatted FAT32 ? :-D 23.52.20 Quit petur ("*plop*") 23.52.23 # yes :p 23.53.35 # hm, and still doesn't work? 23.53.56 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.54.26 # getting itunes now *cringe* 23.55.04 # toens - out of interest, how was it formatted before? did you use the apple restore thing and it somehow formatted to something other than fat32? 23.55.46 # rockbox will *only* work with a fat32 formatted drive. 23.56.35 # i think the apple restore thing kinda requires you to use itunes after its done. to choose whether you'll be using mac or windows. 23.56.55 # mm, could be. choose "windows" :[ 23.56.56 # Domonoky: hello! did you seen the changes that I made today? - tomorrow I will put the connections to the main board and to the pins of the MCU :-) 23.56.58 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 23.56.59 # I mean :p 23.57.01 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 23.57.46 # ya 23.58.02 # Hey, a sound question, not too off topic I hope.. How does 'stereo width' have a sense without crossfeed? 23.58.22 # btw - did you try reinstalling rockbox bootloader before apple restore, or just go with apple restore as a first attempt? 23.58.43 # Bagder: on the other day you were telling me about options to boot that MCU... and I have a question: can It boot from NAND flash and have on the same NAND the FAT32 system? 23.58.57 # yes it can boot from nand