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00.01.11 #       <kugel> jhMikeS: which targets have headphone detection?
00.02.02 #       <linuxstb> All the ipods (I think), the Gigabeat, and (looking at its config file) the mrobe 100.
00.02.25 #       <rasher> I think I saw mentioned that the 1st gen ipod doesn't
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00.04.19 #       <linuxstb> kugel: There's a HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION define you can look for.
00.04.20 #       <kugel> thanks for the info
00.04.39 #       <kugel> yea, I know, but I was too lazy to boot my vm
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00.06.47 #       <jhMikeS> the c200 and e200 should be able to have it as well
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00.07.39 #       <rasher> Neat
00.07.59 #       <kugel> jhMikeS: With "should be able" you mean, that they could have it, but it's not defined for them yet?
00.09.35 #       <jhMikeS> right. the AS3514 has a HP detect interrupt
00.10.42 #       <jhMikeS> though I'm not sure if it functions quite the way it's needed to
00.10.43 #       <amiconn> Headphone detection isn't enabled for all ipods which support it either
00.11.18 #       <amiconn> The biggest problem is the 1st vs. 2nd Gen. 1st Gen has no heaphone detection, 2nd Gen does - but they run the same build
00.11.54 #       * amiconn sees no real point in it, hence didn't bother yet
00.12.07 #       <amiconn> There are more important bugs to fix on PP5002...
00.12.41 #       * rasher would love hp-detection on sansa
00.13.47 #       * jhMikeS is out with pp5002 since he broke the connector for the HP socket and hold switch on his and they want $45-50 dollars for them which is ludicrous :\ gotta be able to do better than that price.
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00.15.52 #       <markun> jhMikeS: who's "they"?
00.16.18 #       <jhMikeS> several places that sell OEM replacements for it
00.16.40 #       * jhMikeS doesn't recall the names
00.19.59 #       <jhMikeS> guess that's ipodparts.com, ifixit.com, repidrepair.com
00.22.51 #       * amiconn has a spare 2nd Gen without hdd
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02.22.35 #       <soap> buschel (for the logs) 177 DeviceDisable downloads last week.
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02.48.05 #       <darkslategrey> hey i have a problem with mpegplayer
02.48.53 #       <darkslategrey> the video displays at normal speed but the audio seems sped up. the video is also enlarged off the screen.
02.50.33 #       <darkslategrey> anyone?
02.51.07 #       <linuxstb> Is the audio encoded at 44.1KHz?
02.51.27 #       <linuxstb> And is the video encoded at the same resolution as your player's LCD?
02.53.53 #       <darkslategrey> oh
02.54.08 #       <darkslategrey> i'll just....go....fix that...
02.54.12 #       <darkslategrey> wow, i feel dumb.
02.54.25 #       <linuxstb> See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
02.54.32 #       <darkslategrey> thxman
02.54.37 #       <linuxstb> You're welcome.
02.54.39 #       <darkslategrey> i'll remember to rtfm next time
02.55.44 #       <darkslategrey> quick question--what is screen res. for nano?
02.56.04 #       <linuxstb> 176x132
02.57.01 #       <darkslategrey> thxman
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04.02.29 #       <JdGordon> anyone against conniting 8521?
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04.02.47 #       <JdGordon> persistable pitch setting
04.03.39 #       <Llorean> I think that it's a little more complicated than necessary
04.03.52 #       <Llorean> Specifically, I don't think the setting needs to be in two places, with one saved and one not.
04.08.27 #       <JdGordon> one isnt saved?
04.12.04 #       <JdGordon> hmm... changing the pitch in the pitchscreen woon persist it? that should be fixed then... other than that?
04.12.21 #       <JdGordon> maybe the menu setting isnt needed at all
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04.54.54 #       <rocko> hi
04.55.01 #       <rocko> I got a huge problem on the rockbox
04.55.15 #       <rocko> lately it says "rockbox media player"
04.55.19 #       <rocko> and can't find the drivers
04.57.05 #       <scorche|sh> miss the notice on the front page?
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05.26.11 #       <rocko> what notice
05.26.41 #       <krazykit> the one under the "project news" heading
05.27.25 #       <rocko> oh no
05.27.34 #       <rocko> my ipod won't even connect to thecomputer anymore
05.27.39 #       <rocko> it just keeps rebooting
05.27.57 #       <krazykit> read the manual on how to dual-boot your ipod.
05.29.18 #       <rocko> oh with the regular ipod firmware
05.30.08 #       <rocko> oh wow, this isn't looking good
05.32.11 #       <rocko> holy shit
05.32.15 #       <rocko> my ipod just beeped
05.32.21 #       <rocko> a lot of times
05.32.48 #       <rocko> I had no idea the ipod beeped
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06.02.36 #       <duvnell> usage question:  if I wanted to browse the database,  go to Artists and then select a particular artist.. I'd like that entire artist's tracks to replace the current playlist, is that possible?  I know you can hold select and have it insert into the current playlist, but there isn't an option for it to replace the playlist.  It would seem obvious enough just to hit "Play" on that artist and it do that.
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06.02.57 #       <duvnell> .. same would go for anything else under the db
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06.14.06 #       <Llorean> duvnell: Does the "Play Next" option not show up on the same screen as "Insert"?
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06.41.58 #       <o0ace0o> yow
06.42.08 #       <o0ace0o> yow
06.42.21 #       <o0ace0o> adad
06.42.23 #       <o0ace0o> adasdad
06.42.33 #       <o0ace0o> testing testing
06.43.16 #       <o0ace0o> !ping
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07.02.06 #       <FMA1394> Does updating your ipod's firmware (specifically 5th gen Video) affect rockbox at all?
07.03.50 #       <homielowe> FMA1394; You will have to re-install the rockbox bootloader.
07.04.05 #       <FMA1394> Ah, I thought so. Thx.
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08.04.32 #       <o0ace0o> yow
08.04.41 #       <o0ace0o> whats the pros and cons of rockbox?
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08.06.56 #       <o0ace0o> elow
08.06.59 #       <o0ace0o> is anyone there?
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08.07.30 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, have you read why rockbox page
08.07.38 #       <o0ace0o> nope
08.07.49 #       <o0ace0o> whats the URL?
08.08.22 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
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08.12.28 #       <o0ace0o> ok thanks
08.14.06 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, plus, if you have other question just wait.. the people here are in different time zones
08.14.07 #       <scorche|sh> just coz scorche said i coudnt.....
08.14.08 #       <scorche|sh> gkjdfkgd;lfhg;ldfgds
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08.15.21 #       <GodEater> I thought that was only supposed to happen in -community ?
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08.16.03 #       <JdGordon> scorche: you poo poo head
08.16.11 #       <scorche|sh> GodEater: well, he spammed as me...
08.16.42 #       <GodEater> ah
08.17.01 #       * GodEater tries to guess what sh is for
08.17.13 #       <scorche|sh> take this to -community..
08.17.31 #       <o0ace0o> hmmm
08.18.03 #       <o0ace0o> i have a sansae250 if with the rockbox can it still play fm?
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08.19.29 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, yes you will still have the fm radio
08.19.45 #       <o0ace0o> ow
08.20.55 #       <o0ace0o> if i instal rockbox in my sansa e250 can i easily go back to the old program of my sansa?
08.21.13 #       <advlaptop2019> yea.. but another question is do you have v1 or v2 of the e200 series
08.21.42 #       <o0ace0o> i dnt know
08.21.54 #       <o0ace0o> it only says e250
08.22.16 #       <o0ace0o> whats the difference?
08.22.57 #       <GodEater> one works with rockbox, one doesn't
08.22.58 #       <advlaptop2019> how old is it or what firmware version.. the v2s have different hardware
08.23.31 #       <o0ace0o> i thinks its a v1
08.24.13 #       <o0ace0o> i tried to look at the back of my sansa theres noh v2 writen
08.24.19 #       <o0ace0o> *no
08.24.33 #       <o0ace0o> and noh v1 written wither
08.24.36 #       <o0ace0o> *no
08.24.57 #       <o0ace0o> its only model:e250
08.24.58 #       <advlaptop2019> check the firmware version that is on it for sure tho
08.25.44 #       <o0ace0o> is it the one in the settings then info?
08.25.54 #       <advlaptop2019> yes
08.26.18 #       <o0ace0o> its version is 01.00.12A
08.26.29 #       <o0ace0o> but iv recently reformated it
08.26.36 #       <o0ace0o> with that version
08.26.42 #       <advlaptop2019> good that is a v1
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08.26.56 #       <o0ace0o> the original was something like1.11.000..... something
08.27.01 #       <o0ace0o> ow is it
08.27.35 #       <o0ace0o> so can still easily go back to my old sansa program if iv instaled the rockbox?
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08.28.38 #       <o0ace0o> ....
08.28.39 #       <advlaptop2019> yea.. if you read the manual, you can see it
08.28.59 #       <o0ace0o> i left the manual in the states
08.29.02 #       <o0ace0o> hehehe
08.30.14 #       <o0ace0o> im a first timer in rockbox so what shoould i do to have it? whats the most compatible with my sansa e250 v1?
08.30.34 #       <o0ace0o> whats the 1st thing i should do?
08.31.10 #       <o0ace0o> will rockbox take up more memory?
08.31.28 #       <GodEater> the first thing you should do is read the manual
08.31.56 #       <o0ace0o> with the rockbox can i already use my mirco sd card to store vids and play it in my sansa?
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08.33.50 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, no because the sansa videos are MOVs not MPEGs
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08.34.20 #       <woodensoul> Does anyone here own a Sansa and some IEMs?
08.34.52 #       <o0ace0o> so whats the use of the mirco sd?
08.35.22 #       <o0ace0o> is it only for storing mp3s
08.35.29 #       <woodensoul> The electrical noises are really annoying... do you experiences this as well?  Is it the same if you use a microSD card?
08.35.47 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, for any files
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08.37.31 #       <o0ace0o> so with the rockbox it can play the movies stored in my mirco sd card?
08.37.42 #       <o0ace0o> *can it
08.37.56 #       <o0ace0o> vids
08.39.33 #       <advlaptop2019> yea, you cant play the sansa mov files in rockbox tho
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08.41.59 #       <o0ace0o> rockbox is only for games and mp3s?
08.42.03 #       <o0ace0o> is it?
08.42.13 #       <o0ace0o> no videos
08.42.50 #       <advlaptop2019> you can play mpeg/mpeg2 videos in rockbox
08.43.04 #       <GodEater> <cough>readthemanual</cough>
08.43.18 #       <o0ace0o> hahaha
08.43.26 #       <advlaptop2019> o0ace0o, just read the manual it says all this
08.43.34 #       <o0ace0o> its too long
08.43.38 #       <o0ace0o> hmm
08.45.09 #       <o0ace0o> does rockbox have its converter to mpeg?or i have to convert it by myself?
08.45.24 #       <GodEater> ok - really - READ THE MANUAL
08.45.34 #       <GodEater> you're required to have done so before asking questions in here
08.46.55 #       <o0ace0o> :P
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08.58.22 #       <woodensoul> Will rockbox work on my creative zen vision: M??? :P
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09.00.50 #       <scorche|sh> no
09.01.23 #       <woodensoul> was joking, i RTFM
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09.05.09 #       <o0ace0o> before instaling rockbox what mode shoul i chose MSC or MTS?
09.05.24 #       <woodensoul> lol
09.05.30 #       <woodensoul> RTFM
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09.07.10 #       <zee> What is with the task FS#7773? Yesterday, I used the pitch screen and could not leave it with 'play' (as in many other screens). And found a patch in FS which has not been committed yet for some reason.
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09.12.29 #       <amiconn> Urgh, list spam :(
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09.50.39 #       <zee> Now that many have arrived: can anybody comment on why FS#7773 isn't committed?
09.52.28 #       <GodEater> the developer of the patch hasn't bugged people enough to do it ?
09.57.27 #       <zee> GodEater: seems so. And it slipped through in the "FS week." I think the change is very small and can be safely committed. But I'm not a developer and have of course no commit right.
09.57.49 #       <GodEater> same here
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09.59.37 #       <zee> I'll wait for another FS week then and hope it will get committed. Are there any plans for the next FS week by the way?
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10.07.09 #       * linuxstb commits 7773 but zee has left...
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10.10.00 #       <LinusN> shouldn't we commit FS#8493?
10.12.37 #       <linuxstb> I guess so...
10.13.06 #       * GodEater would love to look at it but the tracker seems to have stopped speaking to him
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10.16.45 #       <Casainho> hello :-)
10.17.10 #       <Casainho> I am looking for some admin to change the name of the page "RockboxPlayerV1" to "RockboxPlayerV0.1
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10.17.20 #       <Casainho> can someone do that?
10.17.40 #       <petur> somehow I think this is the least of the problems you are facing
10.19.08 #       <LinusN> Casainho: what is wrong with V1?
10.20.03 #       <Casainho> V1 is for another version... we decided that actual info on that page is not from V1 but from a V0.1
10.20.26 #       <Casainho> I also would like to hjave a sugestion, for a version name... V0.1 would be ok?
10.20.38 #       <LinusN> i think that's a bad wikiname
10.20.53 #       <Casainho> It's a version in hardware, with a dev board...
10.20.55 #       <LinusN> can't contain period
10.21.25 #       <Casainho> maybe V0_1?
10.21.30 #       <LinusN> besides, why can't it be v1, v2, v3 instead of 0.1, 0.2, 1.0?
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10.24.58 #       <LinusN> Casainho: so you will create another page called V1?
10.25.21 #       <Casainho> well, others said that since this is a version in a dev board, it should not be V1
10.25.58 #       <LinusN> how silly
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10.26.26 #       <LinusN> why not call it RockboxPlayerPrototype then?
10.26.55 #       <aantipop> im about to buy a rockbox compatible player, cant spend a lot of money, tho. which would you recommend ?
10.26.58 #       <GodEater> or just "RockboxPlayer" without a version number ?
10.27.09 #       <GodEater> since the wiki takes care of version history all on it's own
10.27.11 #       <linuxstb> GodEater: That page is already taken
10.27.22 #       <GodEater> outrageous - who by? ;)
10.27.48 #       <linuxstb> An overview of the player.  RockboxPlayerV1 is the detailed design page.
10.27.59 #       <GodEater> RockboxPlayerDesign then :)
10.28.02 #       * linuxstb likes RockboxPlayerPrototype
10.28.15 #       <LinusN> i renamed it to RockboxPlayerPrototype, and made it a child of RockboxPlayer
10.28.45 #       <Casainho> Portotype, very good idea!
10.28.48 #       <Casainho> thanks! :-)
10.29.00 #       <linuxstb> aantipop: The Sansa E200s are reasonable enough and can be bought cheaply - but make sure you get the older "version 1" model, the "version 2" has different internals doesn't work with Rockbox.
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10.29.58 #       <aantipop> linuxstb: how can i find out if its a v2 or v1 ?
10.33.54 #       <Lynx_> Hi all! I have a question: Can i make the disk turn off when I have my iriver connected to a windows box via usb? I want this to make ich charge faster, and the 'safe disconnect' from windows does not seem to suffice
10.34.09 #       <Lynx_> s/ich/it/
10.35.02 #       <markun> Lynx_: I don't think we have control over it, do you know LinusN?
10.35.32 #       <markun> that was meant as "LinusN, do you know?"
10.35.34 #       <LinusN> we don't
10.36.27 #       <LinusN> but there is a possibility that we can change it, but it requires writing to the I2C EEPROM connected to the Cypress chip that controls the USB-ATA connection
10.36.57 #       <Lynx_> ok. from experience, will the iriver charge over a few hours from usb?
10.37.08 #       <LinusN> which iriver?
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10.38.48 #       <LinusN> we can do the I2C trick on the H100 and H300 models, and on the PP models, we can do it once we have the USB stack running
10.39.23 #       <LinusN> gtg, meeting
10.39.31 #       <Lynx_> it's a h340
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10.46.13 #       <linuxstb> aantipop: I think the v2s say so on the back, plus they also advertise "Audible" support.  If you can check, they also run different firmware versions (I think it's v1.something for the version 1 hardware, and v3.something for the version 2 hardware).
10.50.14 #       <aantipop> will rockbox only run on linuxstb: thanks, but i just realized i dont want a mp3 player that displays pictures or videos or such fancy things
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10.50.30 #       <aantipop> whoops
10.51.12 #       <aantipop> im reading about creative zen and sansa clip at the moment. but those dont run rockbox :/
10.51.30 #       <fml> I just noticed that there is a typo in the header of  FS#8521 ("Perma_m_nent"). Could someone please correct it?
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11.00.40 #       <Lynx_> hmm, i have the feeling the h300 does not really charge over usb at a useable rate. does anyone here ever charge theirs through usb?
11.01.29 #       <GodEater> I didn't even know the h300 *could* charge over usb, I thought it was like the h100 in that regard
11.02.30 #       <amiconn> The h300 does charge via usb, but of course it's much slower than charging via the dedicated charger
11.02.41 #       <Ramla> I never tried charging by usb
11.03.03 #       <linuxstb> aantipop: It's hard to find an mp3 player that doesn't do photos and videos as well...
11.03.29 #       <petur> Lynx_: boot rockbox, hold REC while inserting usb, ignore the fact that it also  goes to recording
11.03.33 #       <amiconn> The archos player...
11.04.38 #       <GodEater> that doesn't do the special rockbox(tm) video format ?
11.04.40 #       <aantipop> linuxstb: no it isnt
11.04.51 #       <petur> Lynx_: and I think you have to boot OF to set the charge mode correctly (disable 'hub' mode)
11.05.41 #       <amiconn> GodEater: The player is charcell...
11.05.44 #       <Lynx_> petur: ok, i'll try that, thanks
11.06.26 #       <Lynx_> erm, how do i boot OF again? :)
11.06.46 #       <petur> hold REC while pressing play
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11.06.56 #       <GodEater> amiconn: you mean we've not got a port of aalib for it then? ;)
11.08.46 #       <markun> aantipop: which player are you interested in?
11.09.12 #       * amiconn googles aalib
11.09.29 #       <GodEater> amiconn: it's an ascii art library
11.09.46 #       <aantipop> markun: i would love a player i could run rockbox on. and i dont want to spend more than 70 €.
11.10.08 #       <aantipop> and i dont want a used player. should have at least 1gb and usb 2
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11.10.52 #       <markun> aantipop: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
11.10.53 #       <GodEater> you'll struggle to find a player that's not been used before that supports Rockbox
11.11.05 #       <GodEater> none of our targets are in production any more
11.11.16 #       <aantipop> oh
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11.21.30 #       <aantipop> is someone working of a port to the v2 version of the sansa e200 series ?
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11.28.13 #       <markun> aantipop: there is some discussion going on in here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
11.29.10 #       <markun> But when a rockbox port is done you will be able to view videos and photos on it. Of course, you can always delete the plugin.
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11.34.45 #       <aantipop> e250 looks good, but im worried about the battery life of a used player, so i think ill get a v2
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11.39.48 #       <Shaid> you can't install rockbox on the v2, remember...
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11.42.28 #       <aantipop> yes but i try to contrubute
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12.27.16 #       <aantipop> hmm is there also a v2 series of the  sansa c200 ?
12.27.54 #       <linuxstb> yes
12.30.23 #       <kugel> linuxstb: I just saw you committed FS#7773
12.31.06 #       <kugel> What do you think of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7871 , which is kinda related to 7773
12.31.18 #       <kugel> I know this patch is bad implemented, I mean from the idea
12.31.28 #       <linuxstb> I think someone with an e200 should really be looking at these patches...
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12.31.58 #       <linuxstb> Does the patch also include the required changes to the manual?  7773 was missing them.
12.32.17 #       <kugel> I've made this patch, and I use this patch. Besides that it's done in a bad way, the idea behind is nice imo
12.32.33 #       <kugel> linuxstb: No, not at all
12.33.09 #       <kugel> But I plan to update the patch, possibly including more targets, and (if it is wished) manual changes
12.33.22 #       <linuxstb> IMO, keymap changes (or in fact any feature changes) should also patch the manual.
12.33.35 #       * GodEater agrees
12.34.25 #       <kugel> linuxstb: the scroll button rename patch was committed w/o updating the manual (in the manual it's still called ButtonScrollUp etc), but I had mentioned before committing
12.34.38 #       <kugel> But, of course, I agree to manual changes
12.34.57 #       <linuxstb> I know that it's not always done...
12.35.09 #       <linuxstb> (I'm sure I've been guilty)
12.36.09 #       <kugel> Anyway, I think it's preferable to be able to exit/go to the wps directly the id3 viewer and quickscreen also with play button
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12.47.51 #       <at0m|c> aantipop, i just bought a second h340 via ebay, had plenty accessories.  had a spare 2200mAh battery and fitted it using online guide. price of the player: 107eu.  not bad for what it does imho :)
12.48.20 #       <at0m|c> new batteries and disk are plenty available...
12.50.06 #       <at0m|c> maybe it's a bit too big for you with its 40gb, but i'm sure you'll find cheaper smaller ones that will serve well.
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13.04.09 #       <aantipop> those irivers look great
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13.10.46 #       <aantipop> which of the supported players is the most recent (beside ipods)
13.11.31 #       <linuxstb> I think the Sansas are the most recent to go out of production.
13.12.23 #       <linuxstb> But I wouldn't pay any attention age, DAPs seem to be getting worse, not better...
13.12.37 #       <preglow> indeed...
13.12.49 #       <preglow> my h120 is still the best dap i've seen
13.13.01 #       <preglow> and that's practically ancient :)
13.13.25 #       <Lynx_> well, my h340 is a little large compared to more recent ones
13.13.46 #       <aantipop> what does DAP mean ?
13.13.57 #       <linuxstb> digital audio player
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13.23.56 #       <aantipop> there are toooo many different DAP's in this world :(
13.24.13 #       <Bagder> yes, there should only be one
13.24.17 #       <Bagder> that should suffice!
13.24.26 #       <aantipop> rockboxplayer ftw
13.24.42 #       <Bagder> yeah, a home-glued huge PCB...
13.24.52 #       <Bagder> :-)
13.25.13 #       <GodEater> PCB? Pah - we should have one of those plastic grids with holes in that you plug transistor wires straight into.
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13.34.46 #       <Ave> like so http://www.elektrolinna.fi/data/sd24n.jpg
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13.38.26 #       <GodEater> yeah, like that :)
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14.41.41 #       <Lynx_> petur: the trick with pressing record when plugging in usb works nicely, hd is off and charging quite fast, thanks
14.43.04 #       <petur> nice to hear
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15.18.47 #       <preglow> make
15.18.55 #       <preglow> :/
15.19.15 #       <LambdaCalculus37> preglow: Make?
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15.20.50 #       <preglow> wrong window :)
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15.43.57 #       <B4gder> I don't remember the forum admin password, someone needs to step up and ban this guy...
15.44.46 #       <B4gder> "iamverygood"
15.44.53 #       <B4gder> hello?
15.45.02 #       * preglow never had it
15.45.07 #       <B4gder> it's big time spamming time
15.45.25 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Yes, please! He's out of control!
15.45.38 #       <preglow> so i see...
15.45.39 #       <B4gder> I've moved them manually for a while now
15.45.49 #       <preglow> well, who has the admin pw?
15.46.07 #       <amiconn> B4gder: Do you have an idea why this ml spam came through?
15.46.17 #       <B4gder> yes due to the From: address
15.46.26 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Febs says he got him.
15.46.28 #       * preglow sees no ml spam
15.46.34 #       <B4gder> I've now made that From: address moderated
15.46.41 #       <B4gder> and it already caught the next spam
15.46.58 #       <amiconn> preglow: It's right on the front page...
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15.53.05 #       <peppo> ok, so I think my ipod video 80gb disk has died totally. can I get some opinions. here are dmesg from linux when trying to mount. when attempting to boot it gives the ipod/apple restore w/itunes error. http://rafb.net/p/5WSgS156.html || cfdisk hangs when trying to access it.
15.53.07 #       <preglow> so now i can look to the rockbox ml for all my viagra needs? :)
15.54.35 #       <preglow> peppo: so even in disk mode it doesn't work?
15.54.45 #       <peppo> preglow, yeah, it fails to mount
15.55.11 #       <preglow> well, that's a bitch then...
15.55.15 #       <preglow> does diag mode reveal anything?
15.55.28 #       <peppo> no wait, disk mode is achieved in a special way, right?
15.55.32 #       <peppo> I've not really tried that
15.55.38 #       <preglow> well,yeah, press play/select when booting
15.55.41 #       <preglow> diag mode is left/select
15.56.12 #       <LambdaCalculus37> peppo: Disk Mode always works.
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15.56.22 #       <LambdaCalculus37> So see if you can access your iPod that way.
15.56.33 #       <peppo> "FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive"
15.56.38 #       <peppo> hm, it wouldn't go into disk mode
15.56.39 #       <peppo> retrying
15.57.20 #       <peppo> it won't respond to button presses it seems
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15.57.36 #       <peppo> it shows the restore error shortly then goes into regular usb connection mode
15.58.24 #       <peppo> dialog mode doesn't work for me either
15.58.50 #       <preglow> really? press left/select before the apple logo shows and keep them pressed
15.58.56 #       <preglow> if that doesn't work, something's seriously messed up
15.59.30 #       <peppo> ah, now
15.59.38 #       <peppo> I didn't release it was an "AND"
15.59.43 #       <peppo> I thought the "/" was OR :)
15.59.52 #       <LambdaCalculus37> peppo: Got it working now?
16.00.06 #       <peppo> heh
16.00.06 #       <peppo> well
16.00.11 #       <peppo> my screen is broken anyhow
16.00.14 #       <peppo> so can't see the top 30%
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16.17.33 #       <preglow> drill holes??
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16.23.37 #       <DogBoy> hell yes drill some holes
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16.58.45 #       <pixelma> I also get a few more of those every now and then, doing nothing
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17.15.33 #       <rasher> Bagder: could you edit http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-01/0273.shtml manually? Somehow I don't think giving these guys free google-juice is a good thing
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17.22.59 #       <rasher> jhMikeS: say, if I wanted to have a stab at hp detection on sansa, where would I start?
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17.43.19 #       <JdGordon> no
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18.17.39 #       <Immortal> Does anyone know is it possible to get videos to play on the iriver H10?
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18.20.31 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Yes, instructions for videos are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_To_Encode_Files
18.20.58 #       <Immortal> ok i installed winff
18.21.03 #       <Immortal> just having alittle issues with it
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18.21.11 #       <Immortal> does that have to be installed on the iriver or how does it work
18.21.48 #       <markun> no, you run it on you computer and use it to convert video files
18.26.46 #       <Immortal> i assume the videos have to be converted into mpeg 2 right
18.26.59 #       <Immortal> and if so can i use any program that converts them into mpeg
18.27.18 #       <Immortal> or do i have to use winff
18.27.38 #       <Sammienator> you can use winff
18.27.42 #       <linuxstb> You can use any program, if you configure it correctly.
18.27.58 #       <Immortal> well i use linux for mine
18.28.11 #       <Immortal> which there is an issue with the window dissapearing
18.28.11 #       <linuxstb> It needs to convert the video to the resolution of your screen, convert the audio to 44.1KHz MP3 (or MP2) and multiplex the two streams into an MPEG Program Stream.
18.28.20 #       <linuxstb> winff has a Linux version (despite the name).
18.28.27 #       <Immortal> yeah i know
18.28.39 #       <linuxstb> But you can just use ffmpeg or mencoder - I think that webpage LambdaCalculus37 linked to has instructions.
18.28.43 #       <linuxstb> (or vlc)
18.28.54 #       <Immortal> yeah i was thinking of that ill try that
18.28.59 #       <Immortal> but how would they play
18.29.03 #       <Immortal> on the iriver H10
18.29.13 #       <Immortal> what makes them run
18.29.21 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Just select them.
18.29.26 #       <linuxstb> You do...  Just select the files in the file browser as if you're playing music.
18.29.40 #       <Immortal> oh ok
18.29.44 #       <Immortal> do you have an iriver H10
18.29.58 #       <LambdaCalculus37> I have an iPod video. Same process, though.
18.30.04 #       <Immortal> ok
18.30.09 #       <Immortal> yeah ill give it a shot
18.30.23 #       <Immortal> so you convert it and then just add them into your music folder or wherever
18.30.31 #       <Immortal> and then hit play as if they were music?
18.34.18 #       <Sammienator> jep
18.34.55 #       <Immortal> ok
18.36.18 #       <Immortal> can someoen look at this error i got
18.36.26 #       <Immortal> can i paste into the ubuntupaste bin
18.36.30 #       <Immortal> if someone has the link
18.36.37 #       <Immortal> that or i can paste here
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19.01.27 #       <alexgamerz> hello?
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19.02.33 #       <alexgamerz> hello?
19.03.04 #       <rasher> alexgamerz: do you have a question?
19.03.15 #       <alexgamerz> yes
19.03.31 #       <alexgamerz> does putting rockbox on an iPod void its warrenty?
19.03.56 #       <linuxstb> That's a question for your local Apple representative...
19.04.15 #       <alexgamerz> okay, I just thought someone on here would know
19.04.20 #       <linuxstb> But I would be surprised if you have an ipod compatible with Rockbox that still has a warranty...
19.04.30 #       <alexgamerz> really?
19.04.40 #       <alexgamerz> I didn't knwo that
19.04.42 #       <alexgamerz> tyvm
19.05.02 #       <linuxstb> Ignore me, the ipod videos were sold up to a few months ago...
19.05.43 #       <alexgamerz> okay,
19.05.55 #       <linuxstb> Which ipod do you have?
19.06.11 #       <kugel> alexgamerz: Where do you live?
19.06.16 #       <jhMikeS> rasher: 1) The AS3514 datasheet 2) Somehow deal with the fact that the i2c driver isn't interrupt compatible (or make it so). It may have to work via the power thread instead.
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19.06.56 #       <alexgamerz> canada, ipod "fatty" (nano w/ video)
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19.07.12 #       <linuxstb> bye.
19.07.20 #       <kugel> alexgamerz: it surely depends on laws. In Germany for example, warranty cannot void because of installing software when you actually bought hardware
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19.07.40 #       <kugel> lol
19.08.07 #       <rasher> jhMikeS: oh dear, sounds more involved than I can handle
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19.14.38 #       <kugel> linuxstb: just looking at keymap-ipod.c, the button map for pitch screen could be definitely more consisten with e200
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19.30.46 #       <kugel> can anyone tell me how the center button of gigabeat is named is named in keymap-gigabeat?
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19.32.14 #       <kugel> BUTTON_SELECT?
19.33.19 #       <Domonoky> probably, on most players the center button is select..
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19.40.17 #       <Domonoky> stel : now you should change your password.. :-)
19.40.29 #       <stel> oops.
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19.45.16 #       <kugel> lol
19.45.21 #       <kugel> stolen
19.45.51 #       <stel> not looking good :(
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19.55.34 #       <Horscht> getting pwned by the spacebar
19.58.14 #       <preglow> Domonoky: seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8512
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20.04.17 #       <kugel> Hm, I just wanted to compile the manual
20.04.36 #       <kugel> it says "make[2]: pdflatex: Command not found"
20.05.09 #       <nicktastic> What platform?
20.05.53 #       <pixelma> resume is really broken on my c200 currently - it never starts at an arbitrary track position, only at the beginning of the "right" track or the next (mp3 here). Once I could observe that first it displays the correct track and track position (progressbar) for a split second but then it changes to the next track or beginning. Will try to find out which commit broke it...
20.06.12 #       <kugel> nicktastic: arm
20.06.30 #       <kugel> or do you mean if I'm using cygwin or linux? In this case linux
20.06.56 #       <nicktastic> kugel: Which Linux distro?
20.07.05 #       <kugel> kubuntu
20.07.07 #       <nicktastic> It is provided by texlive-latex-base on Debian
20.07.12 #       <pixelma> kugel: do you have all the packages installed as explained here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main//ManualHowto ?
20.07.14 #       <nicktastic> Which may also be the case for ubuntyu
20.07.21 #       <kugel> I'm allready searching for a proper latex package
20.07.33 #       <kugel> texlive-latex-base ok thanks
20.09.46 #       <kugel> pixelma: I searched for a twiki site, dunno why I thought this one is the wrong :/
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20.12.08 #       <pixelma> kugel: there's a weird thing... there is also a "ManualHowTo" page which describes something completely different
20.12.55 #       <kugel> hmm that could be the reason
20.13.22 #       <kugel> new error "! LaTeX Error: File `scrreprt.cls' not found."
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20.14.09 #       <nicktastic> kugel: install texlive-latex-recommended
20.14.36 #       <nicktastic> This (from the wiki) will probably get everything you need: apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra latex-ucs
20.15.43 #       <nicktastic> tetex has been deprecated for texlive, but those packages should automagically map to the appropriate texlive package
20.16.14 #       <kugel> nicktastic: that wants me to download 250mib
20.16.27 #       <nicktastic> kugel: From the wiki: Note that tetex (the primary TeX distribution for Linux systems) is a large package that will take some time to download, build and install.
20.16.57 #       <pixelma> nicktastic: if you know how the packages are called now, could you update the wiki?
20.16.58 #       <nicktastic> s/tetex/any tex system/
20.17.34 #       <nicktastic> pixelma: Sure
20.17.47 #       <pixelma> thanks :)
20.17.51 #       <nicktastic> np :)
20.19.10 #       <kugel> can I build the manual into /manual, or should I choose another empty dir like for build and sim
20.21.47 #       <pixelma> never tried that, I always build in an own "manuals" build dir
20.21.54 #       <kugel> omg, my vm doesn't compile again ...
20.22.13 #       <kugel> just waiting for santa claus or somethin after typing make
20.22.48 #       <nicktastic> hehe ps ax --forest|less, find your make process, look at its child processes
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20.26.03 #       <kugel> there's no make process
20.26.22 #       <nicktastic> ..
20.27.24 #       <nicktastic> ..but it is still waiting for santa claus?
20.28.22 #       <kugel> ah, you meant that I shall type that in another terminal while make is waiting? Because then I find it
20.28.37 #       <nicktastic> Aye :-)
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20.29.07 #       <nicktastic> I need write access to the wiki to update the Debian tex instructions. Username: NickZigarovich
20.30.32 #       <pixelma> go ahead :)
20.31.06 #       <nicktastic> Thanks
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20.32.58 #       <kugel> nicktastic: i can't kill the makes, there allways new ones popping up
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20.33.07 #       <oskie> hi, i have a sansa e280..i wonder, what's the best way to charge the unit? if i connect it to usb it reboots into the sansa os, and the LCD never turns off (= power drain)
20.34.05 #       <nicktastic> kugel: kill them?
20.34.24 #       <kugel> ??
20.34.42 #       <nicktastic> Sorry - you're trying to kill the make processes?
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20.35.06 #       <kugel> uhm yes
20.35.14 #       <kugel> what else should I do?
20.35.24 #       <nicktastic> Ah I thought you were trying to figure out what make is doing that is making it hang
20.35.27 #       <nicktastic> killall -9 make
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20.35.47 #       <Horscht> oskie, holding "menu" while plugging in the USB cable prevents the ipod from booting into the apple FW
20.35.57 #       <Horscht> I assume, same would work for sansa
20.36.03 #       <kugel> still doesnt compile
20.36.17 #       <Horscht> or similar, "menu" equivalent on the sansa
20.36.59 #       <pixelma> oskie: that would be "select" on Sansa but still it charges best in the OF in my experience even though the backlight stays on
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20.37.51 #       <oskie> ah I see, thanks...
20.38.45 #       <oskie> i was under the impression that usb support was now improved and that you could charge from rockbox
20.39.01 #       <oskie> but now it only reboots as soon as I plug in the cable
20.39.25 #       <Horscht> you can
20.39.40 #       <Horscht> but rockbox' usb stack doesn't have disk access yet it seems
20.39.45 #       <oskie> ah ok, yes
20.40.08 #       <Horscht> so by default, it boots to the players original os, to allow disk access I assume
20.41.16 #       <kugel> nicktastic: can't get it to compile
20.42.23 #       <pixelma> oskie: as Horscht said it should boot into the OF on USB plug as long as you're not holding "select" (and as long as it is a build where the automatic reboot works)
20.43.16 #       <rasher> pixelma: "as it is a build where the automatic reboot works"???
20.43.42 #       <nicktastic> kugel: Let me try to build
20.44.54 #       <kugel> :?
20.45.03 #       <pixelma> rasher: the automatic reboot from a running rockbox into the original firmware doesn't always work (seen it on my c200 and on a Mini) and it either always works or never with a specific build
20.45.11 #       <nicktastic> kugel: I can't help you without more info, plus I've never tried to build the manual...
20.45.13 #       <kugel> nicktastic: I rebooted now, should work now
20.45.17 #       <nicktastic> So I'm going to give it a go
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20.46.46 #       <kugel> wow, it doesn't
20.46.55 #       <nicktastic> Mmm 58 kbyte/sec on texlive-base...time to find a new mirror.
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20.53.36 #       <nicktastic> It will be a while before I have latex. The mirror in my town that usually gives me 2mbit/sec is pushing 50kbyte/sec. Good job, Comcast.
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20.54.58 #       <Horscht> nicktastic, that's what they call net neutrality, no?
20.55.27 #       <fml> Hello. Any opinions about  FS#8521 (Permanent setting for the pitch)?
20.55.31 #       <nicktastic> Pfft ;)
20.55.44 #       <LambdaCalculus37> nicktastic: I get that too.
20.56.27 #       <n1s> fml: I can't see a good reason for it but as with almost all of rockbox' features, i don
20.56.52 #       <n1s> t use the pitch changing capability anyway...
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20.58.11 #       <amiconn> The pitch setting is non-permanent on purpose
20.58.30 #       <fml> n1s: I use it now and then when playing guitar with the playing music. Someone else requested that for listening to audio books (he wanted to increase the speed slightly).
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20.58.49 #       <pixelma> fml: btw. there is one option I know off without a gui - you can turn the "horizontal scrolling" on and off with a line in your cfg file
20.58.57 #       <pixelma> s/off/of
20.59.15 #       <fml> amiconn: yes, I know and appreciate that. That's why I made changes made in the pitch screen non permanent.
20.59.52 #       <fml> pixelma: so should I just introduce the settings but without GUI?
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21.00.53 #       <n1s> pixelma: the playlist catalog dir setting is also hidden (which IMHO is quite bad)
21.01.13 #       <n1s> it even uses its own config file...
21.01.13 #       <fml> pixelma: is the setting for the horiz. scrolling described in the manual? What I'm afraid of is that settings without GUI get lost if they are not mentioned somewhere.
21.01.23 #       <JdGordon|w> fml: I meant to comment on that patch.... I agree with the define name change, yes the only thing needed for settings to be persisted is settings_list.c (so it doesnt need to be in the menu)
21.01.42 #       <fml> n1s: what uses its own file?
21.01.49 #       <pixelma> guess not, I don't like it (even though I don't like that horizontal scrolling, I mean the one where you're holding a button to force the scroll)
21.02.08 #       <n1s> the playlist catalog setting for which dir the catalog is in
21.02.13 #       <amiconn> Imho there should be no permanent setting without an option in the gui
21.02.29 #       <n1s> amiconn: I agree
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21.02.34 #       <fml> amiconn: that was my thought as well.
21.02.49 #       <amiconn> And afaik the horizontal scrolling does have a gui option
21.02.56 #       <JdGordon|w> I dont see why we cant make the pitch setting persistant... it just needs a reset option to work properly
21.03.06 #       <pixelma> amiconn: where?
21.03.08 #       <JdGordon|w> no, there is one hidden setting
21.03.08 #       <fml> JdGordon|w: but settings also need to be set somehow.
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21.03.17 #       <IceOnly> hello
21.03.18 #       <JdGordon|w> fml: the pitchscreen
21.03.34 #       <n1s> What we really should have is also a "Select file or dir" thingy to get rid of backdrop/rec dir/etc in the context menus and enable for selection of more such things
21.03.41 #       <bertrik> hi IceOnly
21.04.03 #       <IceOnly> i have a question about the DockPodAA Theme
21.04.06 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: We *could* make the pitch setting persistent, the question is whether we *should*
21.04.10 #       <amiconn> And imo we should not.
21.04.44 #       <fml> JdGordon: but that setting should be 'very' persistent as amiconn said. And I agree with him. The initial value should be persistent, not the changes.
21.05.06 #       <fml> *should _not_ be ...
21.05.23 #       <bertrik> oskie: I think there are some bugs in the reboot procedure for sansa e200
21.05.27 #       <IceOnly> how can i use the album art function?
21.05.31 #       <amiconn> The initial value should always be 100%, and not settable
21.05.52 #       <amiconn> Everything else could be very confusing
21.06.38 #       <fml> amiconn: I had times when I wanted ma DAP to start with non 100% pitch. And about confusing: that's why I wanted an indicator of non 100% pitch.
21.06.50 #       <JdGordon|w> fml, i disagree...
21.06.54 #       <amiconn> pixelma: Settings -> General Settings -> Display -> Scrolling: "Screen Scrolls Out of View" and "Screen Scroll Step Size"�
21.06.57 #       <amiconn> -�
21.07.06 #       <JdGordon|w> changing the value in the pitchscreen should save it
21.07.07 #       <nicktastic> pixelma: I think the Debian instructions should stay. The currently listed packages will result in just about every tex/latex-related package being installed. Lacking intimate knowledge of which tools are actually used by the build process, I'd rather leave it as is.
21.07.18 #       <JdGordon|w> amiconn: no, there is another one which is hidden
21.07.24 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: It should never be saved, neither from pitchscreen nor elsewhere
21.07.44 #       <fml> JdGordon: I'd be against it. Changes in the pitch screen are ad hoc IMHO and should not be saved.
21.08.02 #       <bertrik> IceOnly: your question is probably already explained in the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=AlbumArt
21.09.01 #       <fml> Ok, the pitch itself is debatable. But what about pitch changing mode? I find it annoying to always have to switch the mode first.
21.09.12 #       <pixelma> amiconn: that's not exactly what I mean
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21.09.25 #       <fml> Since the default is small steps and I use semitones most of the time.
21.10.16 #       <bertrik> IceOnly: I think there was a change several weeks ago that caused many older themes to stop working
21.10.31 #       <IceOnly> ok
21.10.41 #       <JdGordon|w> the bigger reason to stick it in the config is so people can have their cfg's so they dont have to fiddle in the screen
21.10.46 #       <IceOnly> did you now a nice skin witch work now?
21.11.27 #       <pixelma> nicktastic: ok, but thanks for checking
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21.12.12 #       <fml> JdGordon: but I still think the changes in the pitch screen are fluent by nature and should not be saved. Changes explicitly made via the settings are more 'fundamental' and can be saved.
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21.12.21 #       <bertrik> IceOnly: I haven't tried that many themes, but plain&simple (big AA) worked for me , I have a sansa (176x220 IIRC)
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21.13.54 #       <n1s> fml: IMHO it would be very confusing to be able to change a setting in two different places and the changes only being saved in one of them...
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21.14.42 #       <amiconn> The pitch setting is meant for beatmatching and as such, temporary by nature
21.15.03 #       <amiconn> ALso, some parts of rockbox rely on the fact that resetting the pitch brings it back to 100%
21.15.20 #       <amiconn> (e.g. video.rock on archos, mpegplayer on swcodec targets)
21.15.58 #       <fml> n1s: yes, that's correct too :-))) Ah, I see that we will probably not reach a consensus on this so I'll better stop nagging.
21.16.32 #       <fml> amiconn: what do you mean by 'resetting'? There is only _setting_ (to an explicitly given value)
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21.17.31 #       <fml> The best we could agreed
21.17.47 #       <amiconn> I mean resetting to the default, and the default is currently 100% because it is not an ordinary setting, but a temporary change
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21.17.48 #       <fml> The best we could agree upon would be a GUI-less setting
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21.19.59 #       <amiconn> No setting should be gui-less
21.20.07 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: What setting is hidden, btw?
21.20.42 #       <fml> amiconn: then the best we can do is abandon the patch :-/
21.22.30 #       <JdGordon|w> amiconn: the one which controls the scrolling if you hold left/right down in the lists..
21.22.59 #       <amiconn> That's the horizontal screen scrolling...
21.23.11 #       <JdGordon|w> its not...
21.23.22 #       <amiconn> It is
21.23.28 #       <JdGordon|w> is not :D
21.24.00 #       <pixelma> it is and is not... ;)
21.24.18 #       <JdGordon|w> well yeah... the hidden setting is a toggle for it
21.24.43 #       <pixelma> yes
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21.26.29 #       * amiconn doesn't know about a hidden setting for that, and can't find one in settings_list.c either
21.27.33 #       <amiconn> The 2 settings I mentioned are defined in line 561 and 565
21.28.07 #       <amiconn> hmmmm
21.29.36 #       <amiconn> hold_lr_for_scroll_in_list <= what's that do, and why does it exist??
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21.30.24 #       <XavierGr> I guess it is the one that lets you scroll horizontally with left/right?
21.31.10 #       <rasher> amiconn: so you're only allowed to use the pitch setting for beat matching, because that's what it's "intended" for?
21.31.18 #       <amiconn> Yes, but why is it a setting, and why is it hidden?
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21.31.54 #       <amiconn> rasher: No, that was just *one* reason why the pitch is temporary
21.32.00 #       <pixelma> that's the setting I meant
21.32.15 #       <JdGordon|w> that setting changes the keymaps in the lists
21.32.40 #       <fml> JdGordon: woooot? Variable key mapes???
21.32.44 #       <amiconn> why???
21.32.45 #       <fml> maps
21.32.46 #       <pixelma> amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20060815#20:31:10 ;)
21.32.46 #       <JdGordon|w> NO!
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21.34.16 #       <pixelma> later, Ondio got a mode+left/right to control the horizontal scrolling
21.34.28 #       <fml> I liked the possibility to scroll the whole list but it shouldn't be a setting IMHO
21.35.02 #       <amiconn> Imo the option should be removed.
21.35.07 #       <pixelma> (which defeats the purpose of making it scroll faster there though)
21.35.10 #       <fml> Rather a fixed key or key combination (on the daps having a free one)
21.35.25 #       <amiconn> On targets where it doesn't collide, it should act as it it were alwayxs enabled, and on Ondio it should be always disabled
21.35.32 #       <amiconn> There's still the combo
21.35.39 #       <pixelma> s/faster/easier
21.36.21 #       <amiconn> I mean, (1) Who'd use the combo when the longpress method is easier, and available? (2) Who'd enable this option on Ondio, where it means losing important functionality?
21.36.48 #       <amiconn> (3) Who knows about a hidden option? Such an option wastes binsize.
21.37.50 #       <JdGordon|w> well... unless someone can actually be bothered removing it.. its staying
21.37.56 #       * amiconn actually completely forgot about this feature... a proof that I never use it ;)
21.38.23 #       <JdGordon|w> but yes, I fought for the option and dont think I have ever enabled it... so if its renmoved I wont cry
21.38.28 #       * rasher doesn't understand why there's an option
21.38.58 #       <amiconn> Hmm, now I begin to remember why there is an option....
21.39.28 #       <amiconn> The longpress method disables the long-left-returns-to-root feature - on all targets
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21.39.40 #       <amiconn> bah
21.40.07 #       * rasher didn't know about long-left-returns-to-root
21.40.08 #       * amiconn would remove the whole screenscroll feature, but knows that we already had that discussion
21.40.36 #       <rasher> Couldn't it be long-left-when-screen-is-scrolled-left-returns-to-root?
21.40.52 #       <amiconn> Hmm
21.41.04 #       <amiconn> Then you might end up with an unwanted action
21.41.29 #       <amiconn> Unless the long-left-returns-to-root checks for the start condition again
21.41.47 #       <pixelma> I think JdGordon had it working once but don't remember exactly, maybe it was while only during some testing of the action patch
21.42.11 #       <pixelma> wrong word order
21.42.15 #       <amiconn> rasher: Sounds like a useful idea, actually
21.42.32 #       <JdGordon|w> do you want to remove the option and leave it so its the same as current default?
21.42.37 #       <rasher> I suppose you could accidently go to the root if you're not careful
21.42.48 #       <JdGordon|w> left->root should be working
21.42.59 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: Leave it off on Ondio, on on all other targets
21.43.06 #       <JdGordon|w> yeah, it does work
21.43.10 #       <JdGordon|w> ok
21.43.27 #       * JdGordon|w wouldnt object
21.43.47 #       <amiconn> On Ondio, enabling that option disables an important feature: the context menu
21.44.08 #       <pixelma> currently it doesn't...
21.44.19 #       * pixelma is repeating herself
21.44.20 #       <fml> What does the option do?
21.45.32 #       <amiconn> pixelma: No, because the option does nothing in the tree on Ondio. It only works in the menu there
21.47.56 #       * amiconn misread
21.48.19 #       <pixelma> well that button combo simply doesn't work correctly there because the menu is called too - if you are lucky you can hold the 2 at exactly the same time and then it also works in the browser...
21.49.10 #       <pixelma> and it is cumbersome of course
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21.54.38 #       <fml> pixelma: could you tell me what that feature do and how I can use it (H120 or e200)?
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21.56.30 #       <pixelma> fml: it's enabled by default and you can see what it does if you hold left/right on e.g. a filename that is longer than what fits on the screen
21.57.34 #       <pixelma> I mean left or right
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21.58.18 #       <amiconn> The feature itself is always enabled - the hidden setting just influences how it is operated
21.58.52 #       <fml> pixelma: aha, thanks! That feature I have missed!
21.59.18 #       <amiconn> Really?? Interesting...
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22.00.50 #       <pixelma> fml: "missed" as in you didn't know about it or as in you always wanted to have something like that?
22.02.08 #       <pixelma> too slow...
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22.03.08 #       <nicktastique> kugel, Okay, I've got tex. For which device are you building a manual? And are you building the manual-pdf target, or some other one?
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22.03.26 #       <kugel> normal make
22.03.29 #       <nicktastique> ok
22.03.32 #       <nicktastique> which device
22.03.40 #       * bluebrother looks around
22.03.40 #       <kugel> make is the same as manual-pdf though
22.03.46 #       <nicktastique> I see
22.03.54 #       <kugel> you could test fs#8527 for me :)
22.04.03 #       <kugel> e200
22.04.54 #       <nicktastique> argh need the arm toolchain
22.05.22 #       <bluebrother> not for building the manual
22.05.43 #       <bluebrother> but you'll get a warning ;-)
22.05.49 #       <nicktastique> ok
22.06.13 #       <nicktastique> Waiting for santa claus, indeed :P
22.06.14 #       <amiconn> bluebrother: Does it work if you choose sim + manual?
22.06.17 #       <nicktastique> Ah there it goes.
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22.07.09 #       * amiconn doesn't know because he didn't have much luck in building manuals in general
22.07.09 #       <bluebrother> I think so. I think I build the sim for an archos without having the sh1 toolchain
22.07.26 #       <nicktastique> kugel, Where did your build fail?
22.07.36 #       <nicktastique> i.e., pastebin :)
22.07.40 #       <amiconn> The sim can be built without the target toolchain for sure.
22.07.54 #       <amiconn> The question is whether a manual build works if you choose a sim
22.07.56 #       <kugel> amiconn: No luck here too
22.08.12 #       <kugel> nicktastique: right after typing make
22.08.23 #       <nicktastique> kugel, There is no output from the build process?
22.08.24 #       <kugel> it didn't start to compile
22.08.28 #       <nicktastique> No error?
22.08.33 #       <amiconn> kugel: I can usually get the pdf manual to build with some fiddling, but the html manual never worked for me
22.08.33 #       <kugel> Not at all
22.08.39 #       <Bagder> then do 'make V=1'
22.09.21 #       <bluebrother> make manual-pdf works if you configured the build itself. I _think_ to remember the same working if configured for the sim.
22.09.37 #       <bluebrother> but it's quite a while, my memory might trick me ...
22.10.57 #       <BiptoN> does anyone use or would find one of these useful? http://www.ronetix.at/peedi.html
22.11.40 #       <BiptoN> i mean if perhaps donated to someone that could use it to perhaps get access to a zune for porting RB
22.13.00 #       <nicktastique> kugel, You did install that 250 mb worth of tex-related packages, right?
22.13.06 #       <kugel> no
22.13.19 #       <nicktastique> yeah I think I know why your builds are failing.
22.13.34 #       <kugel> just tex-latex-recommended, didn't you tell me to install that one?
22.13.59 #       <bluebrother> you need to have the koma-script package and utf8 support
22.14.05 #       <nicktastique> kugel,You should install: tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra latex-ucs
22.14.06 #       <kugel> but actually, I'm compiling it atm. V=1, as Bagder said seems to worjk
22.15.00 #       <Bagder> V=1 should just do more verbose ouputs...
22.15.02 #       <nicktastique> kugel, V=1 tells make to give you verbose output. make is doing the same thing it did before
22.15.18 #       <kugel> ah
22.15.22 #       <kugel> lol
22.15.48 #       <nicktastique> Yeah you'll need to install the monster packages :)
22.15.58 #       <kugel> then, it's doing  "make -C /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual OBJDIR=/home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/manual
22.15.59 #       <kugel> make -C /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/platform CC=gcc AR=ar
22.16.01 #       <kugel> make -C /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/platform OBJDIR=/home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/firmware" in an endless loop
22.17.00 #       <Bagder> in which dir are you building this?
22.17.10 #       <pixelma> is that in the source manual dir?
22.17.35 #       <kugel> no
22.17.46 #       <kugel> well, I did it in the manual dir
22.17.53 #       <kugel> but it's the same in the /sim dir
22.17.55 #       <bluebrother> BiptoN: you have an idea about the price of that debugger?
22.18.01 #       <nicktastique> kugel, It is going to fail until you get the proper latex stuffs installed. Then it will fail because mkinfo.pl is not where the manual-pdf target expects it to be.
22.18.10 #       <rasher> kugel: could be because you messed up the manual dir...
22.18.43 #       <BiptoN> yeah
22.18.47 #       <BiptoN> 1-800-ALOT
22.18.52 #       <nicktastique> Yeah call it manual-e200 or something
22.19.05 #       <BiptoN> but how much would that benefit the programmers?
22.19.18 #       <BiptoN> would it be a BIG gain for them or no?
22.19.34 #       <pixelma> nicktastic: you still get the pdf (at least I do)- ignore the mkinfo.pl for now
22.19.41 #       <nicktastique> pixelma, Gotcha.
22.19.58 #       <bluebrother> given the fact that it's known how to interface it with the hardware and especially when writing hardware drivers and similar: a lot
22.20.00 #       <rasher> kugel: rm -f the manual dir and svn up to make sure it's clean..
22.20.02 #       <nicktastique> Ah, nifty, it is there.
22.20.24 #       <kugel> rasher: did that allready
22.20.33 #       <bluebrother> just think of it as a gdb ... for the real hardware device.
22.20.43 #       <kugel> " LaTeX Error: File `multirow.sty' not found."
22.20.55 #       <kugel> tex-latex-recommended doesn't seem to work
22.20.57 #       <bluebrother> you're missing a package :)
22.21.22 #       <bluebrother> we use quite some latex packages ... no idea what's "recommended".
22.21.23 #       <BiptoN> it sounds like it would be a very bright light in a dark cave
22.21.23 #       <BiptoN> ?
22.21.24 #       <nicktastique> So, kugel, good news. 1. Fix your manual directory. 2. Install the tex/latex packages I mentioned. 3. Do your builds in manual-e200, not manual. 4. Enjoy hot pdf manual. 5. Profit.
22.21.28 #       <kugel> nah, I'm not gonna mess around further with manual
22.21.32 #       <kugel> I think
22.21.41 #       <nicktastique> Waaah :)
22.22.00 #       <bluebrother> BiptoN: if you know how to interface it to the hardware. Which might be hard to find out.
22.22.02 #       <kugel> my disk space isn't infinite
22.22.11 #       <BiptoN> alright than
22.22.15 #       <BiptoN> thanks for the info
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22.22.41 #       <nicktastique> At least now I can say I've built the manual
22.22.51 #       <nicktastique> \o/
22.24.11 #       <kugel> nicktastique: have you applied my patch?
22.24.35 #       <nicktastique> kugel, Oh you were talking to me :) Sure, one sec.
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22.26.13 #       <arken_> Hey guys, I don't know much about C. But I found some open source AVI codecs for linux, how hard would it be to make my rockbox play AVI's using the codec?
22.26.48 #       <Bagder> AVI is not a codec to start with
22.26.53 #       <Domonoky> too hard.. :-)
22.26.57 #       <Bagder> and then, very hard
22.27.10 #       <arken_> daymu.
22.27.14 #       <arken_> dayum*.
22.27.22 #       <bluebrother> and then, there is generally not much interest -- you need to transcode the videos to match the screen size anyway
22.27.31 #       <arken_> Well if one of you techies wants it, then you can have this source i found
22.27.32 #       <arken_> lol
22.27.45 #       <arken_> http://sourceforge.krugle.com/kse/files/cvs/cvs.sourceforge.net/avifile/avifile/COPYING#6
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22.28.09 #       <bluebrother> the url sounds like the avifile project ...
22.28.24 #       <arken_> so what do you guys suggest for converting on linux?
22.28.39 #       <bluebrother> the wiki has some recommendations.
22.28.41 #       <linuxstb> ffmpeg, vlc, winff, mencoder, mpeg2enc, ...
22.29.02 #       <Bagder> I suggest manually editing it with emacs' hexl-mode!
22.29.03 #       <arken_> i've had nothing but trouble with VLC, can you specify the codecs and stuff?
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22.29.54 #       * linuxstb looks forward to seeking Bagder's family movies.
22.30.18 #       <bluebrother> did I miss something?
22.30.19 #       <Bagder> you need to wait quite some time to get the first few frames ;-)
22.30.35 #       * bluebrother notices the tracker hit the 1k mark again :(
22.31.00 #       <nicktastique> kugel, build failed, trying to determine cause...
22.31.02 #       <arken_> What are the codecs i should use for video / audio?
22.31.18 #       <linuxstb> arken_: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
22.31.32 #       <BigBambi> arken_: Look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
22.31.35 #       <kugel> nicktastique: =(
22.31.56 #       <arken_> Thank you kindly! If this were VBulletin, I'd +rep you
22.32.13 #       <p3tur> bluebrother: tracker cleanup time :)
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22.33.22 #       <nicktastique> kugel, http://pasture.ath.cx:10080/build.log
22.33.28 #       <bluebrother> petur: yep ... hopefully I'll get volume limited (but not time limited) internet in a couple of days.
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22.34.21 #       * petur notices he forgot to close his irc client at work again :/
22.34.59 #       <kugel> nicktastique: I forgot to edit main.tex
22.35.04 #       <kugel> :/
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22.36.20 #       <pixelma> kugel: there are probably other places as well - you only edited tex files in "plugins" and the platform file, if I see correctly
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22.37.47 #       <kugel> ye, since the patch didn't change that stuff only too
22.37.50 #       <arken_> Who wants to teach me how to bash script :P
22.37.55 #       * nicktastique knows nothing of tex
22.38.03 #       <kugel> to be honest, this is the first time I edit the manual, so mistakes might happen
22.38.11 #       * nicktastique is just the build monkey
22.38.19 #       <nicktastique> kugel, No worries :-)
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22.38.45 #       <Bagder> arken_: google wants
22.39.22 #       <arken_> Badger: Who wants to be a millionare pops up
22.39.43 #       <arken_> wait.. I get it.
22.40.29 #       * bluebrother needs to go ... cu guys
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22.41.53 #       <kugel> nicktastique: www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/scroll_button_rename_manual.diff
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22.45.09 #       <kugel> nicktastique: does it work?
22.45.53 #       <nicktastique> kugel, Getting there
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22.46.11 #       <nicktastique> I am at work ;)
22.46.37 #       <kugel> oh
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22.48.46 #       <kugel> ah
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22.48.52 #       <kugel> there's at least one error more
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22.50.23 #       <nicktastique> Okay I'm ready when you are
22.50.29 #       <nicktastique> Just link me
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23.00.13 #       <kugel> nicktastique: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/scroll_button_rename_manualv2.diff
23.00.19 #       <kugel> thanks for your help
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23.00.55 #       <nicktastique> np
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23.05.29 #       <tapiocapudding> ok
23.05.31 #       <tapiocapudding> umm
23.05.32 #       <tapiocapudding> so
23.06.20 #       <tapiocapudding> i got the idea that i have to re-encode the audio on this clip i want on my nano and resize the video but where can i get software to do...that?
23.06.28 #       <tapiocapudding> yeah...?
23.07.37 #       <n1s> tapiocapudding: The PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki has all the details
23.08.07 #       <tapiocapudding> huh...? i don't see it.
23.08.14 #       <tapiocapudding> oh
23.08.16 #       <tapiocapudding> here it is
23.08.18 #       <tapiocapudding> at the bottom
23.08.20 #       <tapiocapudding> thanks
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23.15.51 #       <web_guest> hey people, i got me a sandisk sansa clip (2gb) today. is there anything i could contribute to the project (without destroying my player) ?
23.15.57 #       <nicktastique> kugel, Sorry for delay, http://pasture.ath.cx:10080/build.log
23.17.50 #       <Bagder> web_guest: see that v2 thread in the forum for the latest "news"
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23.19.26 #       <web_guest> this: SanDisk Sansa e200 v2, c200 v2, m200 (v2) and clip in section "new ports" ?
23.19.31 #       <Bagder> yes
23.19.39 #       <web_guest> ok will read it
23.20.06 #       <Bagder> that and http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html are pretty much what we have
23.21.57 #       <nicktastique> kugel, Time for me to go home. Good luck!
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23.25.51 #       <web_guest> hmm i could for example send a more recent firmware .bin but i dont know how to do it :P
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23.28.48 #       <Bagder> well, you don't have to tell us what you won't be able to do...
23.29.16 #       <web_guest> maybe a small hint how to obtain a .bin file of that firmware ?
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23.29.52 #       <Bagder> I don't have a v2 model and I've never even seen one in real life
23.30.18 #       <advlaptop2019> web_guest, sandisk has the firmware on their forums
23.30.30 #       <Bagder> I think you need to trick the updater somehow
23.30.48 #       <Bagder> they do?
23.30.55 #       <web_guest> yes they do
23.31.07 #       <web_guest> http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board?board.id=clip&page=1
23.31.07 #       <Bagder> ah and then I host .bin files on the v2 page
23.31.30 #       <Bagder> two clip .bin files
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23.33.43 #       <pixelma> umm... now that was a bit unexpected but the commit that finally breaks resume on an arbitrary position in a file (mp3 on c200) is this one: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16105
23.38.52 #       <pixelma> on my M5 it still works correctly with a later revision (almost expected after finding that commit)
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23.46.14 #       <tapiocapudding> hey umm i downloaded winff and installed and got the new presets file
23.46.27 #       <tapiocapudding> but now whenever i try to convert anything i get an error that says acess is denied
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23.48.32 #       <FMA1394> Is there a way to produce sound (like from an mp3) through the piezo speaker on the iPod 5th gen?
23.50.06 #       <tapiocapudding> nevermind apparently it doesnt work if you're not in an admin acc.
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23.58.22 #       <kugel> "make: /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/platform/mkinfo.pl: Command not found" what does that mean when compiling manual?
23.58.34 #       <kugel> I installed the packages the wiki told me to
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