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00.01.43 #       <jhMikeS> markun: I've thought it might be a good idea to have one for mpegplayer. Who ported mplayer anyway? :)
00.02.13 #       * pixelma kept quiet this time ;)
00.02.25 #       <markun> oops ;)
00.02.27 #       <Bagder> hehe
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00.04.21 #       * jhMikeS has some ridiculous bug with PCM frames after adding DSP that he can't track down (two days already :\)
00.05.45 #       <jhMikeS> the more days it takes the bigger the DOH! factor usually
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00.06.53 #       * preglow knows everything about it
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00.10.02 #       <pixelma> ok, sliding_puzzle doesn't look broken on the small H10 but you can't see the number of moves display which is there usually...
00.11.22 #       <markun> jhMikeS: did you see a big drop in fps with for example crossfeed enabled?
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00.12.49 #       <pixelma> and you can't switch to the "number" mode - sim crashes nicely...
00.13.09 #       <jhMikeS> markun: what didn't have PCM problems showed no real FPS drop
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00.17.53 #       <Oles> Hello?
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00.18.12 #       <markun> hi?
00.18.17 #       <Oles> hey -- lol
00.18.25 #       <markun> :)
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00.19.38 #       <markun> Oles: anything you wanted to ask?
00.19.55 #       <Oles> Nah, i just got rockbox today, loaded pokemon, lol
00.20.04 #       <Oles> i say the irc and decided to check it out
00.20.18 #       <Oles> saw*
00.20.20 #       <markun> which player do you have?
00.20.37 #       <Oles> ipod 5.5
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00.21.13 #       <markun> it seems that a lot of ipod owners install rockbox to play games
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00.21.31 #       <Oles> oh ya,
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00.33.53 #       <preglow> markun: yeah... retailos is perfect in all other aspects, remember ;)
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00.36.29 #       <markun> as with most OFs :)
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00.37.59 #       <pixelma> bla... the sliding_puzzle crash (at least in a sim) happens if there is no album art bmp around - and the 2 responsible people are snowboarding...
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02.24.12 #       <euge> hey
02.24.28 #       <euge> hey
02.24.50 #       <euge> i have rock box but
02.25.20 #       <euge> when i got on to my apple os all my music was gone but was still in rockbox
02.27.11 #       <krazykit> euge, how did you put music on your ipod?  with itunes?
02.27.31 #       <krazykit> rockbox does NOT touch your files unless you specifically ask it to.
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02.27.51 #       <euge> eah with i tunes
02.27.56 #       <euge> yeah*
02.28.31 #       <krazykit> well, if rockbox can still play the files, that's probably an itunesdb error.  i'm not sure how to fix that, to be honest.
02.28.52 #       <euge> i went to make a database
02.28.56 #       <euge> or something
02.29.12 #       <euge> and it worked fo about a week on the origanal
02.29.20 #       <euge> but then it stoped working
02.30.00 #       <euge> i want to view videos through my old one
02.32.23 #       <euge> what does Initialize  mean
02.32.47 #       <euge> in the database part of the os
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02.33.57 #       <krazykit> euge, in rockbox, initializing the database scans the disk for compatible files and adds them to Rockbox's database.  it doesn't touch the OF's database files in any way.
02.34.22 #       <euge> ok
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02.36.10 #       <euge> ok
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03.27.10 #       <countrymonkey> If I try to build a czech, norsk, or finnish voice file with espeak and cygwin, I cannot. I type in s for sapi5 at the engine prompt, then "/Voice:eSpeak-no" (if norsk) at the sapi options prompt. What am I doing wrong?
03.27.43 #       <rasher> Why are you typing s if you want to build with espeak?
03.28.02 #       <rasher> Or is there an espeak sapi interface thing?
03.28.13 #       <rasher> Either way, I suggest using espeak directly
03.30.17 #       <countrymonkey> I cannot get that to work. It always sais "espeak- command not found". Where do I put which espeak files?
03.31.42 #       <rasher> doesn't matter, as long as it's in your $PATH
03.32.14 #       <countrymonkey> Which espeak files? The espeak-data dir? the whole espeak dir? only espeak.exe?
03.32.45 #       <rasher> The executable
03.32.51 #       <rasher> Presumably it'll know where to find the data
03.33.00 #       <countrymonkey> Hold on a sec.
03.34.19 #       <countrymonkey> It still says espeak: command not found.
03.34.39 #       <rasher> Hrm, actually
03.35.03 #       <rasher> Hold on
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03.43.21 #       <rasher> Yeah, countrymonkey would you mind testing if this fixes it for you: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/voicebuilding-win-extension.diff
03.44.49 #       <countrymonkey> What does it do? I don't like to test things without knowing what they do.
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03.45.30 #       <rasher> countrymonkey: it just adds .exe to the programs it's searching for if run on cygwin
03.45.56 #       <rasher> I'm not quite sure how cygwin handles the whole .exe thing
03.46.10 #       <countrymonkey> Let's try it.
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03.47.24 #       <countrymonkey> still doesn't work.
03.48.32 #       <rasher> What does your $PATH inlude, and is espeak.exe in one of those dirs?
03.49.09 #       <countrymonkey> You mean type $path and give you the output?
03.49.49 #       <rasher> Well, echo $PATH
03.50.01 #       <KeithG> Hello everyone!
03.50.28 #       <countrymonkey> nothing
03.50.57 #       <countrymonkey> What is it, KeithG?
03.51.28 #       <rasher> What, nothing?
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03.51.41 #       <KeithG> I’m a newish Rockbox user, but I thought I’d like to help with some items on the Wiki, especially related to the VMWare development image (for now at least).  I was wondering if a Wiki user could give me write access.
03.51.47 #       <countrymonkey> Yes, nothing.
03.52.13 #       <rasher> Then your cygwin environment won't work at all. I'm afraid I don't believe you.
03.52.21 #       <rasher> KeithG: What is your wiki name?
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03.52.49 #       <countrymonkey> I can build. I am e-mailing you a path.txt file. I did echo $path >path.txt and this is the result.
03.53.02 #       <rasher> I said $PATH.
03.53.11 #       <saratoga> just use pastebin.ca
03.53.17 #       <rasher> And yes, that.
03.53.19 #       <countrymonkey> Case matters?
03.53.23 #       <KeithG> KeithGraber
03.53.31 #       <rasher> countrymonkey: do you really have to ask?
03.54.02 #       <psycho_maniac> case ALWAYS matters
03.54.18 #       <saratoga> it might actually not matter in cygwin
03.54.25 #       <saratoga> though i'd be careful about assuming that
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03.54.40 #       <rasher> saratoga: it obviously does, since $path is apparently empty
03.55.05 #       <rasher> KeithG: Done
03.55.55 #       <JohnEK> Hi, I'm nearly done creating my first theme. It's looking good, but I would like the font to be bigger. My starting font is True-Type and I used otf2bdf and convbdf to create the rockbox compatible font. However, it only looks good when I convert it to a size 12 rockbox font. Any larger size has artifacts in each character that don't belong. Any suggestions?
03.57.03 #       <countrymonkey> Got it fixed. I didn't realize case mattered. Uploaded results under name/title: countrymonkey.
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03.57.27 #       <KeithG> Thank you rasher!
03.58.04 #       <rasher> countrymonkey: The link would be http://pastebin.ca/885773
03.58.15 #       <rasher> countrymonkey: And where is espeak.exe located?
03.58.26 #       <countrymonkey> in my build dir
03.58.46 #       <rasher> And is your build dir one of those listed?
03.59.42 #       <countrymonkey> Thx for setting me straight. Now, I just put the exe in one of those dirs and build away.
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04.00.28 #       <XbooX> hopefully this question isnt going to get me in trouble for not reading the manual again. but i have read the manual. does anyone know how to make the display at the top of the screen when in the menu a tad bit bigger? or is that not possible. i know ive seen it removed in some themes but it would be cool to make it a tad bigger
04.00.37 #       <rasher> countrymonkey: Err, and espeak-data should be in a place where espeak will look as well. I don't know enough about espeak to help you with that.
04.01.15 #       <countrymonkey> I will just move it where I moved espeak and things will be fine.
04.01.16 #       <rasher> JohnEK: Finding another font or fixing the font manually after converting from truetype with a bdf-capable font editor
04.01.32 #       <rasher> XbooX: Not possible (not currently, anyway)
04.02.13 #       <JohnEK> thanks rasher
04.02.17 #       <XbooX> rasher: thanks, i kinda figured that.
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04.05.41 #       <countrymonkey> Can I make spx .talk clips without voicebox+?
04.06.50 #       <rasher> Should be possible using voice.pl
04.07.30 #       <countrymonkey> Cool. All I got to figure out is how to use the thing. I just cannot wait until rbutil 1.0.4 is released.
04.08.51 #       <rasher> Well there's fairly helpful output if you don't get it right
04.09.08 #       <countrymonkey> I know. I am using that.
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04.32.10 #       <countrymonkey> I just came up with an idea; would it be possible to implement the ability for rb to detect when a language needs a certain font and switch to that font uppon that language being loaded? Even a code telling the font in the lang files would work.
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04.33.47 #       <rasher> Well, checking for "this lang needs a different font" would not be the hardest thing in the world to add. Figuring out which font to automatically switch to would be a bit of a nightmare though
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04.37.06 #       <crazy_bus> I remember reading about a company that paid for a few people to come to their company and learn about their player so that they would port rockbox to it.  Did anything happen with this?
04.37.43 #       <Llorean> crazy_bus: I think you might be thinking of Austrian Microsystems, which I don't believe paid for anything, but they did give us some information about one specific chip.
04.38.43 #       <crazy_bus> Is there any company that's rockbox friendly then?
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04.39.11 #       <rasher> AMS seems fairly friendly, but they only make individual chips, not finished players.
04.39.12 #       <psycho_maniac> didnt archos want rockbox to be the default os but they wanted it NOT to be open source? I thought i read that somewhere.
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04.41.53 #       <XbooX> is it possible to select a backdrop or picture and use it as your background for themes such as the rockbox_default theme?
04.42.07 #       <psycho_maniac> why dont you try it?
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04.44.05 #       <XbooX> not looking very possibe
04.44.17 #       <XbooX> *possible
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04.45.50 #       <psycho_maniac> XbooX: works for me
04.46.25 #       <psycho_maniac> although i loaded the backdrops that were in the backdrops folder in ./rockbox
04.46.39 #       <scorche> XbooX: what size are the images you are trying to load?
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04.47.37 #       <XbooX> uh i have a fair amount of backdrops in the backdrops folder. however i dont see the ./rockbox folder on my ipod
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04.49.00 #       <psycho_maniac> go to the quick menu and select all under "show files"
04.50.04 #       <XbooX> thanks psycho_maniac, sorry bout that
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04.51.23 #       <countrymonkey> Why would figuring it out be a nightmare? All a translator has to do is add a line in the lang file saying what font.
04.52.20 #       <countrymonkey> Sory, wrong chanel.
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05.07.55 #       <btron> anybody have insight on why the system date on my ipod mini 2g running latest rockbox build mysteriously resets itself to 2010 sometimes?
05.08.19 #       <btron> it's really a pain when i go to submit tracks to last.fm and they are 2 years in the future!
05.08.40 #       <psycho_maniac> do you own a time machine?
05.08.53 #       <btron> not that i know of but that would be bad assed
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05.21.25 #       <soap> btron, any pattern at all to the reset date?
05.21.36 #       <soap> Perhaps after your iPod shuts down due to low battery?
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05.25.02 #       <pizza> hello
05.25.33 #       <btron> soap: ooo now that i think about it, that is entirely possible
05.25.36 #       <psycho_maniac> hi pizza
05.25.58 #       <pizza> when I start up my sansa I go to photos but when I click on one it wont load
05.26.02 #       <pizza> it is in jpeg format
05.26.26 #       <soap> that shouldn't do it in and of itself, btron, but I'm just trying to link a weak battery situation with reset RealTimeClock.
05.27.06 #       <pizza> I go to open with.. but I cannot open it with anything
05.27.32 #       <soap> well, I mean that doesn't cause my iPods to reset their clocks, but you see where I'm reaching...
05.28.16 #       <btron> soap: maybe i'll let it die intentionally and see if i can recreate the bug
05.30.15 #       <pizza> is ther any way to view jpegs in rockbox?
05.32.25 #       <soap> section 9.3.2 of the manual.
05.32.44 #       <soap> hidden under the obscure term "JPEG viewer" in the table of contents.
05.33.42 #       <soap> "jpeg" the word only appearing three times in the manual.
05.34.50 #       <soap> Once in the table of contents - pointing to section 9.3.2, once under "supported file types" and once in section 9.3.2
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05.38.47 #       <pizza> It tells me I need to stop playback but I did but I still cannot acces the jpeg viewer
05.39.01 #       <pizza> I do open with... and the jpeg thing ahs a "?" next to it
05.39.45 #       <soap> thing?
05.41.24 #       <pizza> ok i go to the image file name I hit the enter button and i come up with "context menu" I go to open with.. and ther is something called "jpeg" and something ca;;ed "viewer" both of them have a ? next to them
05.42.07 #       <pizza> I try to use the "jpeg" to open it but I get "plugin returned error"
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05.48.25 #       <cool_walking_> pizza: Are you sure it's a valid JPEG file?
05.48.49 #       <soap> not progressive scan?
05.48.54 #       <pizza> oh, hmm it works now, all I had to do was reboot
05.48.59 #       <pizza> srry about this
05.49.03 #       <pizza> i didnt know I neededto reboot
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06.00.23 #       <psycho_maniac> so who likes the new attempt of the new rockbox website?
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06.02.23 #       <DogBoy> .eh
06.02.30 #       <DogBoy> which
06.02.36 #       <cool_walking_> I think I like it better with the a:hover bitmaps
06.03.20 #       <cool_walking_> in rock.php
06.05.28 #       <cool_walking_> The other changes from rock.php -> st.php are good though.
06.06.57 #       <psycho_maniac> i like st.php the most so far.
06.08.16 #       <psycho_maniac> would like it if it was a different color though.
06.11.18 #       <cool_walking_> Which part?
06.12.04 #       <psycho_maniac> the dark color
06.12.54 #       <cool_walking_> It could be made a bit lighter grey, but I don't know about a different colour.
06.14.21 #       <psycho_maniac> agreed
06.16.38 #       * scorche feels like an old stick in the mud with all this
06.18.32 #       <cool_walking_> Don't want a new web page at all, or just don't like this proposal?
06.19.16 #       * scorche likes his pasty blue and very un-web2.0 look
06.19.38 #       <cool_walking_> I don't like web 2.0 either - the first design was bad.
06.19.46 #       <cool_walking_> I hate AJAX
06.20.14 #       <psycho_maniac> i actually like the non-web2.0 look also :)
06.20.15 #       <scorche> i like ajax, but i dont like what a lot of people use it for
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06.31.36 #       <soap> I use it to scrub my tub.
06.32.22 #       <psycho_maniac> thats all i know what to use it for.
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06.34.53 #       <pizza> when I add music to my Sansa Media Player it will show up when I boot into the Sansa Firmware but not in Rockbox, is there a way to get it to recognize in rockbox?
06.35.17 #       <pizza> it is an mp3 file
06.36.38 #       <cool_walking_> pizza: Are you using the file tree or the database?
06.36.56 #       <pizza> database
06.37.19 #       <pizza> it recognized all of the music that I had previously but not the one that I just added
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06.39.01 #       <cool_walking_> Try initialise the database again.
06.39.12 #       <pizza> ok
06.39.19 #       <pizza> i have done that and it is still not there
06.40.16 #       <cool_walking_> Did you delete all the database files in the .rockbox directory before initialising again?
06.41.08 #       <pizza> no I havent
06.41.11 #       <pizza> il ltry that now
06.41.13 #       <cool_walking_> There's something wrong with the way the stride (for drawing) is calculated in sliding_puzzle.c. It's broken on at least the Nano.
06.41.16 #       <pizza> is that what im supposed to do after adding music
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06.41.34 #       <cool_walking_> No, I think it's supposed to update itself every boot.
06.41.40 #       <cool_walking_> But I don't use the database.
06.41.51 #       <pizza> hmm ok, and this is on my sansa e260
06.41.57 #       <pizza> it recognized all my other music
06.42.11 #       <pizza> really?
06.42.16 #       <pizza> what do u use?
06.42.24 #       <cool_walking_> I just use the file tree.
06.42.41 #       <pizza> oh
06.43.11 #       <pizza> kk  deleted files rebooting
06.44.10 #       <pizza> heyyy! it worked!
06.44.11 #       <pizza> thanks!
06.44.23 #       <cool_walking_> Heh, cool. I was just guessing.
06.44.32 #       <pizza> ill have to remember to do that when i add music
06.44.48 #       <pizza> maybe its a but or somethn
06.44.54 #       <pizza> but anyways thsnk :)
06.44.57 #       <pizza> *thanks
06.45.08 #       <cool_walking_> You're welcome
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06.48.40 #       <cool_walking_> Right, I probably should have waited 'til that conversation was over so this didn't get lost in there:
06.48.42 #       <cool_walking_>  There's something wrong with the way the stride (for drawing) is calculated in sliding_puzzle.c. It's broken on at least the Nano.
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08.04.08 #       <amiconn> The bug in sliding_puzzle is present on any album art enabled target, and is verifiable in the sim, and on coldfire targets (catch mem accesses)
08.04.45 #       <amiconn> The actual null pointer access isn't sliding_puzzle's fault though, the bug is in apps/recorder/albumart.c
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08.05.23 #       <Avi_> hello, i havve a question for you lovely knowledgeable people out there...
08.05.35 #       <amiconn> The snprintf() call in line 148 uses id3->artist and id3->album without making sure these aren't null...
08.06.20 #       <Avi_> Is there support for Griffin's iTalk recording device on rockbx?
08.06.31 #       <Avi_> if not how do i submit a request for this?
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08.08.15 #       <GodEater> Avi, all feature requests go into flyspray http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/
08.08.38 #       <GodEater> be warned though, that it's impossible for a developer to do this unless they own the hardware
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08.12.54 #       <cool_walking_> amiconn: talking to me? The issue with what I was talking about seems to be that sliding_puzzle is expecting a bitmap of width min(LCD_HEIGHT,LCD_WIDTH), and SOURCES isn't giving it that for the Nano. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8535
08.13.02 #       <amiconn> GodEater: Did you see my test result with more music and a (nearly) current build on G5.5/80?
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08.13.54 #       <Avi_> godeater: well its an ipod... so i would imagine a developer owns one
08.14.08 #       <amiconn> cool_walking_: No, I was talking about the crash bug in the sim when switching images in sliding_puzzle
08.14.37 #       <cool_walking_> Yeah, didn't sound like you were talking about the same issue I was talking about.
08.14.59 #       <amiconn> But that issue needs to be fixed too (saw your screenshot y'day)
08.15.48 #       <cool_walking_> y'day? Is that supposed to be "yesterday"? I don't believe I've ever seen that abbreviation.
08.16.46 #       * amiconn is a lazy typer sometimes :/
08.17.19 #       <Avi_> GodEater: does flyspray require a separate login than the rockbox forums?
08.17.26 #       <cool_walking_> Yes.
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08.18.01 #       <GodEater> Avi_: I didn't meant the ipod - I meant the itrip. And you'd be amazed at the number of devs who don't own iPods.
08.18.18 #       <GodEater> and yes, the tracker requires a seperate login
08.18.20 #       * amiconn wonders why the built-in bitmap in sliding_puzzle is handled in such a silly way
08.18.25 #       <GodEater> amiconn: yes - was just reading the logs back
08.18.31 #       <GodEater> I'm at a loss.
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08.18.56 #       <amiconn> It boots, I start to play a folder (my test folder was 320kbps mp3), and it plays as expected
08.19.10 #       <amiconn> Buffering took 1:14 though
08.19.22 #       <GodEater> yeah, that's quite slow
08.19.35 #       <amiconn> It's probably due to the peakmeters
08.19.36 #       <GodEater> and no audio drop outs I take it
08.19.47 #       <amiconn> No, I listened to the whole album
08.20.02 #       <GodEater> right
08.20.11 #       <GodEater> I've just reset mine to default settings
08.20.14 #       <GodEater> I'll see what happens
08.20.36 #       <amiconn> I don't have as many files as you though
08.20.49 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: can you test out the viewports list patch on your player and let me know if anything goes wrong? I want to try commiting it over the weekend
08.21.37 #       <amiconn> stats output: Files: 4952, Music: 3580, Dirs: 440, Max files in dir: 220
08.21.56 #       <Buschel> amiconn/Godeater: is the slow buffering on 5.5G/80 the reason for the degraded runtime for these ipods?
08.22.18 #       <GodEater> Buschel: that's probably something to do with it
08.22.30 #       <GodEater> but it's probably more that the disk goes mad for unknown reasons at the moment
08.23.53 #       <GodEater> amiconn: ok - with ALL default settings, playback is fine - so I'll turn things on one at a time now and see what makes it goes all wrong
08.24.30 #       <GodEater> dircache first
08.24.39 #       <amiconn> In fact it's very obvious why sliding_pzzle breaks on the nano. The ifdefing in bitmaps/native/SOURCES is bound to not work properly
08.25.45 #       <GodEater> wow - dircache only took 14seconds to build this time (foreground though)
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08.26.59 #       <Buschel> gotta go working now, see you later
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08.27.03 #       <GodEater> later
08.27.46 #       <GodEater> even with it building in the background, and playback going, it's still quicker now, and no audio drop outs yet
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08.29.53 #       <PapaAvi> what if i  mailed an iTalk to a developer with an ipod?
08.30.37 #       <GodEater> PapaAvi: you'd have to find a dev who a) has an iPod, and b) is interested in doing your feature
08.30.48 #       <GodEater> I fear you'll find the two sets of people don't intersect
08.31.04 #       <PapaAvi> hey GodEater ..... you a developer :P
08.31.23 #       <GodEater> nope
08.31.29 #       <PapaAvi> damn....
08.31.36 #       <PapaAvi> what are you?
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08.33.10 #       <GodEater> "staff"
08.33.21 #       <GodEater> amiconn, I just got my first drop out
08.33.34 #       <GodEater> I've only turned on dircache
08.33.40 #       <GodEater> and loaded the cabbiev2 theme
08.34.03 #       <PapaAvi> staff... so you are an op here?
08.34.04 #       <GodEater> I keep seeing the buffering screen doing strange things when the dropouts happen
08.34.16 #       <GodEater> no - I'm a forum mod
08.35.09 #       <PapaAvi> ah ok
08.35.20 #       <PapaAvi> well thanks for the help, appreciate your time
08.35.35 #       <GodEater> no problem
08.35.53 #       <PapaAvi> while i;m at it... what is the bottom port of the ipod called?
08.35.56 #       <PapaAvi> technicallly
08.36.00 #       <GodEater> the dock port
08.36.03 #       <PapaAvi> k, thanks
08.36.30 #       <PapaAvi> am i allowed to offer a cash reward for the developer that makes it?
08.36.33 #       <GodEater> of course
08.36.36 #       <PapaAvi> sweet
08.36.56 #       <GodEater> there's a paypal link on the site for "generic" rockbox donations, and you're free to come to an arrangement personally with a dev if you wish
08.37.06 #       <GodEater> although I'd tell people here about it too
08.37.20 #       <GodEater> so we can make sure you're giving money to someone who we recognise as a dev
08.37.24 #       <GodEater> and not someone just fleecing you :)
08.37.45 #       <PapaAvi> well i would pay them after they made it of course.
08.38.05 #       <GodEater> yes, but you're still going to need to send the hardware
08.38.13 #       <PapaAvi> true
08.38.26 #       <GodEater> or pay for them to buy their own
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08.40.57 #       <PapaAvi> well i posted it
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08.41.30 #       <GodEater> good luck :)
08.41.43 #       <PapaAvi> thanks, how often to people answer these?
08.43.55 #       * Llorean wonders where you posted it.
08.44.11 #       * PapaAvi posted it under recording
08.44.12 #       <amiconn> GodEater: So the problem might be a bitmapped theme, or an aa theme, or the combination of both
08.44.24 #       * amiconn hates that cabbie theme hence won't use it
08.44.31 #       <Llorean> Hm.
08.44.39 #       <GodEater> not even for debugging purposes ?
08.44.44 #       <Llorean> I'm not particularly fond of flyspray being used as a means for offering bounties. =/
08.45.08 #       <PapaAvi> just wanted to give some incentive
08.45.31 #       <PapaAvi> didn't know if it was unethical or something..... i could just make the donation go towards rockbox if you choose
08.45.50 #       <GodEater> I don't see a problem with it myself
08.45.58 #       <Llorean> I don't see a problem with bounties.
08.46.25 #       * PapaAvi ;)
08.46.45 #       <Llorean> But posting them on flyspray seems a little... I dunno. Like it becomes part of "official" practice for bounties to be posted, and people thinking that bounties might make things more likely (I think often they won't make any difference)
08.46.57 #       <Llorean> e
08.46.59 #       <GodEater> I agree, I don't think it'll matter at all
08.47.09 #       <GodEater> but I don't see that as a reason to ask people not to post them
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08.47.32 #       <Llorean> I didn't ask anyone not to post them, just said I'm not fond of it being there.
08.47.57 #       <PapaAvi> i can post is somewhere else?
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08.48.29 #       <GodEater> in my mind there's no better place to post it
08.48.35 #       <GodEater> feature requests belong in flyspray
08.48.41 #       <Llorean> I'd rather see a separate way of tracking bounties. Though to an extent it does also irritate me that the bounty will go to the person who does the last 5% of the work, when code developed by a few dozen people at least is the reason something was even possible. ;)
08.48.58 #       <GodEater> there is that
08.49.04 #       <Llorean> Like, feature requests go in flyspray like normal, but a separate page can go up just for bounties of some sort.
08.49.39 #       <PapaAvi> then ii can make the donation go to rockbox paypal and just vary the amount on how much is done/ how many people do it?
08.49.57 #       <Llorean> I just don't want flyspray tasks turning into bidding wars. Group A thinks "Accessory Protocol" is important. Group B things "Mpegplayer improvement" is important. Two tasks fill up with comments saying "I'll pitch in another $5" spamming out any technical discussion.
08.50.02 #       <PapaAvi> but spread the word! :P
08.50.32 #       <GodEater> Llorean: you really think that's likely ?
08.50.45 #       <Llorean> GodEater: I've seen some tasks fill up with a lot of "I'd really like this too" sorta comments.
08.50.59 #       <GodEater> so it happens whether there's a bounty or not...
08.51.16 #       <Llorean> Yeah, but there could be a Bounties wiki page.
08.51.26 #       <Llorean> Then you have real names associated with the edits adding money into the pool for each feature, etc.
08.51.30 #       <Llorean> Or theoretical real names.
08.51.37 #       <GodEater> and we all know how popular the wiki is with our less technical members...
08.51.51 #       * PapaAvi w00t
08.52.24 #       <GodEater> amiconn: I'm convinced the issue is with AA
08.52.33 #       <GodEater> I've loaded another bitmap heavy theme up
08.52.35 #       <Llorean> As well as a posted description asking something like "Rockbox is a project developed by hundreds of developers, and we humbly ask that bounties be intended as future donations to the project as a whole, though we understand if you would rather tip the specific programmer who implemented your feature and leave it to him to decide what is done with the money" or some such
08.52.38 #       <GodEater> but it lacks AA support
08.52.41 #       <GodEater> no drop outs again
08.52.55 #       <Llorean> GodEater: Flyspray is generally just as unpopular. The big hurdle seems to be "I don't want to register for something else"
08.53.08 #       <GodEater> I agree
08.53.20 #       <GodEater> but registration for the forums / flyspray doesn't involve coming here
08.53.30 #       <GodEater> where the wiki does (if you want to do anything useful)
08.53.52 #       <Llorean> Yes, a dozen people can post "I'll pitch in 5 dollars" to a task and all turn out to be the same person.
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08.54.08 #       <GodEater> that too
08.54.09 #       <Llorean> At least when they have to come here it means there's some chance we might notice foul play.
08.54.15 #       <PapaAvi> registratrion is simple though..... if they are too lazy to do that, then thheir request cant be that significan
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08.55.01 #       <GodEater> even that system isn't infallible though Llorean
08.55.08 #       <Llorean> No, nothing's infallible.
08.55.10 #       <GodEater> all it takes is a list of "real" names and a changing tor exit node...
08.55.25 #       <PapaAvi> Llorean:  satan is infallible
08.55.26 #       <Llorean> And someone willing to stagger them over several days as to not arouse suspicion, etc.
08.55.40 #       <Llorean> Just sayin, it's a little more dependable that way.
08.55.42 #       <GodEater> let's not bring religion into it
08.55.46 #       <PapaAvi> :P
08.55.49 #       <GodEater> rockbox is a secular state :)
08.55.49 #       <PapaAvi> j/k
08.56.14 #       <GodEater> well sure, set it up then Llorean - I'm certainly not going to disagree
08.56.27 #       <GodEater> but I still think it won't make a blind bit of difference which features get implemented and which don't
08.56.34 #       <GodEater> none of us are here for the money :)
08.56.57 #       <PapaAvi> you are here for the good times and laughs? yes?
08.57.00 #       <GodEater> just the opposite to be honest. I think I've spent more on DAPS since I got involved than ever :)
08.57.09 #       <GodEater> PapaAvi: pretty much
08.57.14 #       <Llorean> Yeah, I've spent quite a lot of money on Rockbox-related costs.
08.57.19 #       <PapaAvi> thats why i always loved ir
08.57.21 #       <PapaAvi> irc*
08.57.26 #       <GodEater> I love laughing at Llorean when he goes postal in the forums :)
08.57.30 #       <PapaAvi> i left it cuz its too much fun on the social networks
08.57.31 #       <Llorean> There is that. :)
08.57.56 #       <Llorean> GodEater: I may not be around much longer tonight. Would you mind asking the swedes if they object to a FeatureBounties wiki page if you spot them active?
08.58.04 #       <GodEater> certainly sir
08.58.13 #       <GodEater> I think most of them read the logs though :)
08.58.19 #       <Llorean> Thanks. If they're okay with it, I'll go ahead and try to set one up.
08.58.21 #       <GodEater> I shall prod them though
08.58.48 #       <Llorean> Better to be safe than depend on them spotting the fact that I want to act on the idea. ;)
08.58.52 #       <GodEater> yep
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09.02.43 #       * GodEater wonders if any features have made it into Rockbox previously as a result of a "bounty"
09.02.50 #       * GodEater discounts GSoC
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09.05.21 #       * GodEater jumps up and down
09.05.28 #       * GodEater points a lot
09.05.58 #       * GodEater gets out of breath
09.06.38 #       * GodEater has to sit down
09.07.19 #       * amiconn suspects that GodEater aims for the 'king of irc actions' title ;)
09.07.24 #       <GodEater> hehe
09.07.32 #       <scorche> LinusN: has Jeff responded to you yet?
09.07.41 #       <scorche> amiconn: no one can take that title from you! ;)
09.07.59 #       <GodEater> amiconn is emperor for life is he ?
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09.08.53 #       <amiconn> scorche: huh?
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09.09.33 #       <scorche> amiconn: i asked him to ask Jeff how much BW the forums take up
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09.09.36 #       <LinusN> scorche: i haven't mailed him yet...
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09.09.49 #       <scorche> LinusN: ah
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09.10.39 #       <LinusN> scorche: mailed him now
09.11.14 #       <amiconn> scorche: I was referring to your other statement...
09.11.21 #       <scorche> http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php
09.11.33 #       <LinusN> FeatureBounties?
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09.11.42 #       <scorche> Jens Arnold always lets us know what he's doing: 5812 actions!  and in second place: Also, Peter D'Hoye tells us what's up with 2854 actions.
09.11.52 #       <GodEater> LinusN: probably best if you read the few lines before it
09.11.56 #       <GodEater> to see the reasoning behind it
09.11.58 #       <scorche> hence, you are teh king of IRC actions
09.12.22 #       <amiconn> oh
09.12.31 #       * amiconn should talk less and code more :/
09.12.34 #       <GodEater> hehe
09.13.01 #       <scorche> amiconn: and if those complete stats are old, the new per-month ones all show you having the most actions :)
09.13.23 #       <LinusN> i do see some problems with bounties
09.13.50 #       <LinusN> 1) they can really only go to developers with svn access
09.14.19 #       <LinusN> because there is otherwise little guarantee that the feature ends up in svn
09.14.24 #       <GodEater> indeed
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09.14.39 #       <amiconn> scorche: The 2008 stats actually show that my suspicion was correct... http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2008.php ;)
09.15.31 #       <scorche> amiconn: he has a loooooooong way to go before even beginning to catch up :)
09.15.32 #       <LinusN> 2) it would take quite a lot of money to make me stay home from work and work on a rockbox feature instead :-/
09.15.56 #       <GodEater> LinusN: but 2) isn't a problem for us, it's a problem for the person who wants the feature
09.15.57 #       <scorche> let him have one month!
09.16.19 #       <LinusN> 3) no money in the world (well almost) can push an unwanted feature into svn
09.16.54 #       <LinusN> other than that, if someone wants to pay a developer to implement a feature, why not?
09.16.56 #       <GodEater> we could mark such features as a No on the page presumably ?
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09.21.14 #       <pixelma> Zagor: found at the last days that /query seems to be disabled in the webclient too (unless you fixed that between yesterday evening and now) :)
09.21.23 #       <pixelma> s/at/out
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09.23.10 #       <Zagor> pixelma: I'll enable it
09.24.16 #       <pixelma> thanks
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09.30.43 #       * pondlife wakes up and smells the $$$
09.31.06 #       <pondlife> So http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8536 is worth 10000 Euros, huh?
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09.32.29 #       * LinusN has spent ages disassembling the ipod boot code to reverse engineer the serial port driver
09.32.45 #       <LinusN> still missing the code to enable the rx/tx
09.33.19 #       <LinusN> the ipod video boot code that is
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09.33.46 #       <pondlife> GodEater: Regarding the insane disk activity.  Do you  know exactly which SVN revision first suffers it?
09.34.00 #       <pondlife> i.e. was it MoB or spinlocks, or what?
09.34.06 #       <LinusN> spinlocks
09.34.24 #       <pondlife> Which was after MoB, right?
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09.34.36 #       <LinusN> yes
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09.35.46 #       <pondlife> GodEater: So default settings cured it for you?  Any idea which setting was responsible yet?
09.35.55 #       <LinusN> the thing is that the spinlock patch changes the way the threads are scheduled
09.36.13 #       <pondlife> Thus revealing an underlying bug?
09.36.18 #       <GodEater> pondlife: I've not seen it today
09.36.30 #       <GodEater> but I'm still running a build from last night that jhMikes gave me some patches for
09.36.34 #       <pondlife> Ah ok
09.36.34 #       <LinusN> so if two threads access the disk, it will take a loooooong time for them to finish
09.36.43 #       <pondlife> Suckmongous
09.36.50 #       <GodEater> and three threads would be worse still I assume
09.36.51 #       <pixelma> cool_walking_: I saw the Nano problem in sliding_puzzle too yesterday night and worked on a fix (hopefully a "clean" one), the thing also has a problem on the small H10 (the bitmap is full screen, so no space for the "Moves" box). Got that part ready but wanted to make said box nicer while at it, it seems to still use the old definitions for it.
09.36.57 #       <LinusN> GodEater: oh yes
09.37.14 #       <GodEater> i.e. if you have dircache, resume on startup, and tagcache autoupdate on
09.37.16 #       <GodEater> you're screwed
09.37.35 #       <pondlife> Indeed.  This affects single CPU targets too, but less?
09.37.42 #       <pondlife> e.g. My H380
09.37.49 #       <pondlife> Or is it just multicore?
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09.38.33 #       <pondlife> Sorry if I'm going over old ground, but the logs aren't clear.
09.38.41 #       <pondlife> (or I missed a bit)
09.38.51 #       <pixelma> GodEater: and an AA WPS makes it even worse, right?
09.39.00 #       <pondlife> Hey, more disk access = worse
09.39.13 #       <GodEater> pixelma: probably
09.39.27 #       <GodEater> but the AA theme seems to be the thing which really screws up audio
09.39.37 #       <GodEater> if I don't use an AA theme - playback is much much better
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09.39.51 #       <GodEater> which is odd - because the AA for an album is only loaded once (I assume)
09.39.58 #       <GodEater> so I wouldn't have thought it made that much difference
09.40.09 #       <pondlife> It should be... check the sim maybe?
09.40.18 #       <GodEater> but the audio still drops out, even after the AA pic is loaded
09.40.28 #       <pondlife> All file opens are listed in the sim stdout
09.40.28 #       <GodEater> the buffering screen goes mental though
09.40.37 #       <GodEater> you get negative values
09.40.39 #       <pondlife> I saw you mention -ve values
09.40.43 #       <GodEater> then enormously positive ones
09.40.54 #       <pondlife> 64MB overflows?
09.41.01 #       <GodEater> ???
09.41.11 #       <pondlife> Which iPod do you have?
09.41.16 #       <pondlife> 32MB or 64MB?
09.41.23 #       <GodEater> 64
09.41.29 #       <pondlife> Try the 32MB build?
09.41.42 #       <GodEater> could do I suppose
09.41.47 #       <pondlife> I wonder if some pointer arithmetic is borked
09.43.09 #       <GodEater> I would expect something going more seriously wrong though
09.43.26 #       <GodEater> you get these -ve values for like a split second, and then they correct back to what they were before
09.43.36 #       <pondlife> Racy stuff
09.43.38 #       <LinusN> i think the buffering is b0rked somehow
09.44.06 #       <pondlife> At least it should be possible  to debug now
09.44.10 #       <LinusN> not to mention the unbuffer callbacks (playcount)
09.44.23 #       <pondlife> That's just badly designed
09.44.35 #       <pondlife> It should be saving them in RAM until the next spinup
09.45.12 #       <pondlife> Or was that the intention?
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09.47.01 #       <pondlife> rasher: Those last seen values on http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php look a bit suspect, but nice work otherwise
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09.55.10 #       <cool_walking__> I swear I killed Miranda  at work :-/
09.55.58 #       <cool_walking__> pixelma: Definitely best to use yours then, I'm have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
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10.00.34 #       <LinusN> i am reading BufferingAPIProposal and MetadataOnBuffer, but they seem outdated
10.00.39 #       * pondlife wonders if cool_walking_ has a former colleague named Miranda...
10.00.50 #       <pondlife> LinusN: They probably are :/
10.01.11 #       <LinusN> would be nice to merge those two into a more up-to-date document
10.01.59 #       <pondlife> Indeed
10.02.18 #       <pondlife> There's another page about Playback somewhere too
10.02.32 #       <pondlife> lostlogic's take on it
10.02.49 #       <pondlife> MoB is Nico_P's and BufferingAPIProposal is mine
10.02.56 #       <pondlife> But none of them are the truth
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10.46.13 #       <BenniBoya> can anyone give me the source code for the stock ipod nano bootloader (the one that works as soon as you install it)?
10.46.51 #       <GodEater> BenniBoya: "stock" ?
10.47.00 #       <markun> I think only apply has that code
10.47.03 #       <markun> Apple
10.47.10 #       <BenniBoya> i mean the rockbox bootloader
10.47.15 #       <BenniBoya> the one that works as soon as you install it
10.47.17 #       <GodEater> BenniBoya: that's in svn
10.47.30 #       <BenniBoya> is the svn the same as the source tarball?
10.47.34 #       <GodEater> yes
10.47.35 #       <markun> BenniBoya: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/bootloader/ipod.c?view=markup
10.47.55 #       <BenniBoya> well the ipod bootloader in the tarball didnt work for me when i built it originaly
10.47.56 #       <markun> BenniBoya: well, it's not the same, but should have the same content.
10.48.41 #       <GodEater> BenniBoya: that probably means you built it wrong
10.48.46 #       <GodEater> BenniBoya: it works for me
10.48.50 #       <markun> Maybe the bootloader is broken right now. Usually it's not compiled until is new version is needed for some reason
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10.49.23 #       <BenniBoya> would installing it from linux on2 a winpod do anything?
10.49.25 #       <markun> GodEater: do you also compile your own bootloader?
10.49.26 #       <GodEater> markun: it's not broken - I only built it yesterday
10.49.30 #       <markun> ok
10.49.38 #       <GodEater> markun: I don't usually - but yesterday I did
10.49.52 #       <BenniBoya> you tred to buikld it for me god deater
10.49.59 #       <BenniBoya> when i was having trouble
10.50.08 #       <markun> I also built it for you
10.50.15 #       <markun> but don't have an ipod to try it on
10.50.30 #       <GodEater> it definitely works
10.50.39 #       <BenniBoya> ok
10.50.55 #       <markun> BenniBoya: it what way didn't the bootloader not work btw?
10.51.25 #       <BenniBoya> i had tried to change the boot order in the source
10.51.31 #       <BenniBoya> bt it just didnt boot rockbox
10.51.43 #       <markun> did it work without any changes?
10.51.50 #       <BenniBoya> no
10.51.56 #       <markun> strange
10.52.01 #       <BenniBoya> it just didnt boot rockbox
10.52.17 #       <BenniBoya> it mite have just been earlier, ill check again
10.52.23 #       <BenniBoya> when i find my ipod
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10.52.33 #       <markun> good luck with the search
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10.53.52 #       <BenniBoya> could someone explain, if I wanted rockbox to boot witht the hold switch on, what part of ipod.c would i have to swap
10.54.19 #       * amiconn never gets why someone would want to swap the default boot order....
10.54.33 #       <amiconn> *especially* not on ipod
10.54.42 #       <GodEater> nor me
10.54.52 #       <BenniBoya> i want it to be "hold switch on=rockbox, hold witch off = ipod"
10.55.06 #       <BenniBoya> its just personal preference as i swap alot
10.55.46 #       <GodEater> I think it only appeals to people who think "rockbox == games platform" rather than "better than the Apple firmware by miles"
10.56.37 #       <LinusN> well, you can't really blame people for being satisified with the apple firmware
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10.57.10 #       * GodEater isn't blaming anyone for anything
10.57.15 #       <BenniBoya> i just kinda dislike the music player in rb compared to ipod
10.57.32 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: care to tell us why?
10.57.37 #       <pixelma> LinusN: true but why do they want Rockbox then? ;)
10.57.41 #       <pondlife> So we can improve it..
10.57.56 #       <BenniBoya> with quite a few songs, the taggs are missing
10.58.11 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: is that all?
10.58.12 #       <amiconn> I don't get it because booting into apple stays there anyway until you reset, while rockbox shuts down the hardware and you can choose again at next boot
10.58.23 #       <BenniBoya> when im in the menu, i go to skip but it opens menu
10.58.44 #       <BenniBoya> and the having to rebuild database (which i understand) kinda annoys me
10.59.01 #       <BenniBoya>  know im just winging but... yea
10.59.03 #       <pondlife> You shouldn't have to rebuild the database
10.59.20 #       <pondlife> Update if you add stuff, but nothing more
10.59.21 #       <BenniBoya> when i add new music, it doesnt appear
10.59.30 #       <BenniBoya> i set it ro auto update
10.59.30 #       <LinusN> to me it sounds like you are suffering from plain bugs
10.59.35 #       <amiconn> (apart from that the apple fw is completely useless for me)
10.59.55 #       <BenniBoya> i like rockboxs look but i just prefer ipod fw for bowsing and listening to music
11.00.20 #       <pondlife> That's a NotSoGoldenQuote :/
11.00.48 #       <LinusN> speaking of database, it sounds to me that we are having huge problems with it
11.00.52 #       <pondlife> Rockbox is mianly about browsing and listening to music
11.01.14 #       <pondlife> Auto-update is buggy, I find
11.01.33 #       <BenniBoya> I use rokbox for applications and videos
11.01.33 #       <pondlife> Manual update is generally ok on H300.
11.01.41 #       <BenniBoya> and occasionly music
11.01.50 #       <LinusN> dozens and dozens of reports, all ending up with "deleting and reinitializing solved it"
11.02.01 #       <LinusN> that's not a solution goddammit
11.02.18 #       * pondlife suggests that the database needs to be rewritten in C++ (and then hides)
11.02.25 #       <GodEater> and lots of reports of it hanging on attempting to build in the first place
11.02.25 #       <pondlife> database code I mean
11.02.46 #       <LinusN> whatever works
11.02.52 #       <pondlife> I forgot my ;)
11.02.55 #       <GodEater> if we encounter a bad tag(tm) during building we should just skip it, not hang the whole process
11.03.16 #       <pondlife> Absolutely.  And provide a build log (text) to indicate what went wrong
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11.03.23 #       <GodEater> that would be good
11.03.28 #       <LinusN> a log would be nice
11.03.43 #       <GodEater> even if it only listed the filenames
11.03.45 #       <LinusN> maybe that's the first we should do
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11.04.56 #       <BenniBoya> can i just add a sugestion for the ipod version?
11.05.27 #       <LinusN> please do
11.05.45 #       <BenniBoya> perhaps find a way to get the ipodfw playlists (for people who have only just installed
11.05.49 #       <BenniBoya> and album artwork
11.06.04 #       <BenniBoya> it might just me my version missing this if it has already been updated
11.08.11 #       <GodEater> didn't jhMikes say that the sleep(1) in build_tagcache() is bad ?
11.08.14 #       <LinusN> that's a quite big undertaking
11.08.42 #       <BenniBoya> i was just throwing some ideas
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11.10.31 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: ideas are good, and it's not like it's impossible
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11.11.11 #       <BenniBoya> i knownext to nothing about c or programing so i dont know its limits
11.11.41 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: the thing is that the ipod database is more or less undocumented
11.11.52 #       <BenniBoya> oh ok
11.11.53 #       <LinusN> but i'm sure there is code out there that can read it
11.12.12 #       <GodEater> gtkpod and it's ilk probably have some sort of code to do that
11.12.30 #       <BenniBoya> i read somewhere that a part of the ipod code is some kidn of ibm code
11.12.34 #       <BenniBoya> lol
11.12.45 #       <LinusN> we could perhaps add it to rbutil
11.13.51 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: the thing is that we have no intention of adding complete support for itunes
11.14.09 #       <BenniBoya> yea i know
11.14.17 #       <BenniBoya> rockbox is seperate
11.14.23 #       <GodEater> and not just for ipods
11.14.33 #       <LinusN> in fact, rockbox is a way to escape from itunes
11.15.43 #       <BenniBoya> yea
11.16.08 #       <BenniBoya> if its not to much trouble, could some1 check if this code would work? http://pastebin.ca/886009
11.16.49 #       <GodEater> do we want tagcache to *always* create a log file ? Or would a logf build which people can use when they find a broken file be good enough ?
11.17.32 #       <LinusN> GodEater: always
11.17.46 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: it would be a lot easier to see only your changes
11.18.35 #       <BenniBoya> LinusN: I changed from 302 down
11.18.42 #       <BenniBoya> I just swapped something
11.20.26 #       <LinusN> "something"
11.21.59 #       <BenniBoya> i swapped the set of lines that load rockbox with the ones that boot apple
11.22.07 #       <LinusN> i see now
11.22.38 #       <BenniBoya> and the ipod boot part is where rockbox boot used to be
11.22.39 #       <LinusN> looks like it might work
11.23.03 #       <BenniBoya> i had tried earlier and it seemed to have not
11.23.22 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: i have a simpler suggestion
11.23.32 #       <BenniBoya> does it include leaving it?
11.23.45 #       <BenniBoya> lol
11.24.03 #       <LinusN> use the original version of ipod.c and change line 302 to:
11.24.16 #       <LinusN>     if (!(button_was_held || (btn==BUTTON_MENU))) {
11.24.36 #       <LinusN> that will invert the check for the hold switch
11.24.57 #       <BenniBoya> i dont mind the switch and all
11.25.16 #       <BenniBoya> i wanted rb to load with the switch on
11.25.19 #       <BenniBoya> and apple without
11.25.33 #       <LinusN> i.e inverting the hold switch
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11.26.00 #       <LinusN> my suggestion will do exactly that
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11.28.37 #       <BenniBoya> sorry to be picky but i wanted apple to boot automaticly, no buttons and rockbox with the switch and menu
11.28.45 #       <BenniBoya> as i changed it, would that happen>
11.28.46 #       <BenniBoya> ?
11.30.18 #       <markun> BenniBoya: why don't you try LinusN's suggestion?
11.30.45 #       <BenniBoya> ok
11.30.59 #       <LinusN> BenniBoya: my suggestion attempts to do exactly what you describe
11.31.14 #       <BenniBoya> ok sorry for beign kinda rude
11.31.20 #       <LinusN> with the difference that my change is a lot simpler
11.31.27 #       <BenniBoya> ok
11.31.34 #       <BenniBoya> ill try that in the morning
11.31.40 #       <markun> but do it with the original file, not the one where you swapped the code
11.31.53 #       <BenniBoya> ok
11.31.58 #       <markun> ah, that's what LinusN said :)
11.32.59 #       * markun wonders why are there somany better things to do when you have to finish a paper..
11.33.25 #       <LinusN> i know the feeling
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11.33.29 #       <BenniBoya> ty
11.33.31 #       <BenniBoya> i gtg
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11.35.11 #       <markun> LinusN: I feel like going to a rockbox devcon. A lot more fun :)
11.35.20 #       <markun> When will we start planning the next one?
11.35.49 #       <markun> and are we going to do it in the USA of first wait till the dollar drops a bit more? :)
11.35.54 #       <markun> s/of/or/
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11.36.52 #       * petur hopes devcon will fit his planning :)
11.37.06 #       <markun> yes, me too
11.37.13 #       <pixelma> markun: do they let you in with a laptop and a bunch of Rockbox devices? ;)
11.37.33 #       <markun> pixelma: oops, forgot about the post 9-11 paranoia
11.37.38 #       <leftright> for info, on my gf's Archos X202, the database scan locked the player up during scan, a hard reset was required. The culprit was incorrectly tagged wma files. I also found that some folks bury the most amasing shite in the comments field of the ID3 tag, I found  the entire aritsts biography in several comments field, this was also causing the database to choke.
11.37.39 #       <petur> more importantly, we need a country without import restrictions on beer :)
11.37.57 #       <markun> pixelma: but will they let people out with that kind of stuff?
11.38.30 #       <pixelma> markun: they are happy if these people leave... :)
11.39.30 #       <vitalspark> does having a large database (~70GB) on rockbox slow it down ? seems to spend a minute or so "accessing" the hard disc when i play a file
11.40.07 #       <markun> a 70GB database!
11.40.26 #       <vitalspark> its a 5g 80gb ipod tho
11.40.32 #       <LinusN> markun: i think he means 70GB worth of files
11.40.40 #       <markun> vitalspark: well, I have no idea if having a lot of files should slow down loading
11.40.41 #       <vitalspark> yeah i meant that lol
11.40.55 #       <markun> LinusN: really? ;)
11.40.58 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: are you using the latest version of rockbox
11.41.00 #       <LinusN> ?
11.41.04 #       <vitalspark> yeah, just updated
11.41.16 #       <markun> could be the spinlock bug
11.41.20 #       <LinusN> we currently have severe disk access performance problems
11.41.22 #       <vitalspark> r16181
11.41.36 #       <pixelma> vitalspark: it shouldn't but currently there seems to be bugs related to buffering, playback, updating database which cause more disk activity, seems most obvious on 80GB Ipods
11.41.53 #       <vitalspark> yeah..sounds like a similar issue to what I'm having
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11.42.25 #       <LinusN> GodEater: how did jhMikeS' latest patch turn out?
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11.43.01 #       <GodEater> better then what's in svn
11.43.05 #       <GodEater> but not a perfect fix
11.44.05 #       <leftright> database scan needs to fail or skip the problem files gracefully if it encounters a problem tag
11.44.15 #       <vitalspark> quick q re. the themes: do you just copy across the .zip or do you have to extract folder to folder
11.44.43 #       <markun> leftright: and we should improve the metadata parsers
11.44.46 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: you usually have to extract the zip to the root of the player
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11.46.32 #       <vitalspark> sounds right, cool
11.46.51 #       <vitalspark> and is it possible to have it support .jpg rather than .gif album art ?
11.46.58 #       <vitalspark> all my art is in jpg format
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11.49.31 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: we are considering that, but don't hold your bbreath
11.49.58 #       <pixelma> vitalspark: .gif won't help you either ;)
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11.51.09 #       <pixelma> album art works with bmp files, you can find more info on the AlbumArt page in the wiki
11.51.44 #       <vitalspark> why not jpg
11.52.05 #       <vitalspark> rockbox will read jpg through the file browser
11.52.33 #       <petur> because that is a plugin
11.52.41 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: the jpg viewer is a plugin, but album art needs to be in the main rockbox code
11.53.00 #       <vitalspark> oh...i just installed rockbox, and didnt add any plugins....
11.53.25 #       <vitalspark> i wish i knew how to program, would add in jpg support
11.53.45 #       <pixelma> you installe all the plugins as they come with Rockbox...
11.53.48 #       <LinusN> all plugins are included in the rockbox distribution
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11.54.06 #       <vitalspark> that explains it
11.54.19 #       * LinusN would like support for jpg album art in the core
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11.54.37 #       <vitalspark> wonder why they went for bmp when the standard ipod firmware supports jpg
11.54.43 #       <markun> sufjan stevens, screwing with people who rip his CD's by using track names like: The Black Hawk war, or, How to demolish an entire civilization and still feel good about yourself in the morning, or, We apologize for the inconvenience but you're going to have to leave now, or, "I have fought the big knives and will continue to fight them until they are off our lands!"
11.55.10 #       <vitalspark> thought rockbox was supposed to be better
11.55.17 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: i'm pretty sure that the ipod firmware doesn't use jpg, but the jpg files are converted by itunes when you synch the database
11.55.59 #       <vitalspark> i didnt use iTunes
11.56.05 #       <vitalspark> (I dont think)
11.56.28 #       <vitalspark> i cant remember what i used lol.....used mediamonkey with rockbox to transfer
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11.57.06 #       <vitalspark> there should be a prog to dl to ipod that will convert all album art (so dont have convert on puter)
11.58.36 #       <LinusN> sounds like a waste of time and battery to let the poor ipod do the work
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11.59.29 #       <vitalspark> lol maybe...but i want jpgs on the puter to stay jpg
12.00.25 #       <LinusN> of course, that's why you only convert the jpg that are on the ipod disk
12.00.27 #       <cool_walking__> If someone was going to write an app to convert jpg to bmp, they might as well just implement jpg in the core instead...
12.00.52 #       <LinusN> i'd like rbutil to do that
12.01.11 #       <vitalspark> eggsactly
12.01.28 #       <cool_walking__> clarification: a rockbox app, that is
12.01.53 #       <LinusN> there are several disadvantages to adding jpg support to the core
12.02.00 #       <vitalspark> pray tell
12.02.08 #       <LinusN> waste of memory and battery are two
12.02.24 #       <LinusN> some album art jpgs are quite big
12.02.36 #       <vitalspark> arent they smaller than bmp
12.02.50 #       <LinusN> i'm talking about dimensions
12.03.01 #       <LinusN> and rockbox would have to load the huge jpg, decode it and scale it down in realtime
12.03.09 #       <vitalspark> true
12.03.22 #       <LinusN> wasting buffer space and battery
12.03.48 #       <vitalspark> how about rockbox auto-resize & save to new size when it first encounters a new jpg
12.03.58 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: that's a good idea
12.04.14 #       <LinusN> "artcache" :-)
12.04.16 #       <vitalspark> thanks
12.04.54 #       * LinusN goes to lunch
12.04.57 #       <vitalspark> whilst i've got someone who seems to know what theyre talking about....
12.05.02 #       <vitalspark> oo have u got 1 sec ?
12.05.06 #       <LinusN> 1 sec, sure
12.05.10 #       <vitalspark> ummmm
12.05.15 #       <LinusN> time's up
12.05.16 #       <LinusN> :-)
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12.05.17 #       <vitalspark> well maybe 1 min would be more appropriate
12.05.21 #       <vitalspark> lol
12.05.42 #       <markun> vitalspark: just ask, he can always answer when he comes back from lunch
12.05.50 #       * LinusN waits for the question
12.05.50 #       <vitalspark> lol k
12.05.54 #       <vitalspark> o
12.05.58 #       <vitalspark> stupid Q
12.06.01 #       <LinusN> tumtidum
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12.06.10 #       <markun> the time pressure is getting to him..
12.06.14 #       <vitalspark> just wondering when i load up a new theme etc from the zip (from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g)
12.06.29 #       <pixelma> vitalspark: don't make LinusN starve ;)
12.06.35 #       <vitalspark> and apply new theme from ipod menu, it seems to apply everything except the wps
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12.06.55 #       <vitalspark> i go to the add new wps option, but it still keeps the same format (though with the updated colours)
12.07.03 #       <LinusN> vitalspark: many of those wps:es are incompatible nowadays
12.07.04 #       <markun> vitalspark: if the WPS can't be loaded you don't get a warning but it just doesn't load it :)
12.07.16 #       <vitalspark> why wouldnt it load ?
12.07.27 #       <markun> maybe a splash "WSP couldn't be loaded" wouldn't be a bad idea
12.07.28 #       <LinusN> the wps format changes once in a while
12.07.30 #       <vitalspark> rockbox recognises it and displays it in the menu
12.07.34 #       <vitalspark> o
12.07.44 #       <pixelma> vitalspark: might be a broken WPS, which one did you try?
12.07.52 #       * LinusN is off
12.07.52 #       <vitalspark> tried 2
12.07.54 #       <vitalspark> just tried
12.08.00 #       <vitalspark> thanx linusn
12.08.06 #       <vitalspark> tried iPod blue
12.08.16 #       <vitalspark> and also iRocker
12.08.34 #       <vitalspark> both themes/font worked, but the WPS (though it changed colour) was still the same as before
12.08.54 #       <vitalspark> even after i went specifically to "browse wps files" in rockbox & selected it
12.09.11 #       <vitalspark> shouldnt it automatically use the new wps if you are selecting a new theme ?
12.09.26 #       <markun> vitalspark: not if the WPS is broken
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12.09.49 #       <vitalspark> coincidence that the 2 I tried were both broken
12.09.54 #       <vitalspark> maybe I will try some more
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12.10.06 #       <pixelma> if the wps file contains errors it'll fall back to the default one that's why it looks as if nothing's changed and those 2 are quite old I think - so it's more likely that there are errors
12.10.10 #       <vitalspark> can you confirm that i do not have to select wps separate if I select new theme ?
12.10.13 #       <petur> try one that comes with rockbox in the zip
12.10.20 #       <vitalspark> ok
12.10.27 #       <vitalspark> yeah rockbox ones in zip work
12.10.30 #       <markun> pixelma: let's at least add some feedback to the user
12.11.40 #       <vitalspark> good idea
12.12.43 #       <pixelma> markun: sure I'm all for it - and there were people saying this ever since Nico_P introduced said fallback with the new WPS parser
12.13.05 #       <petur> and a log of where it fails?
12.13.48 #       <vitalspark> hey this theme is quite nice
12.14.06 #       <markun> vitalspark: which one did you try?
12.14.49 #       <vitalspark> cabbiev2
12.15.01 #       <vitalspark> that came with the original zip
12.15.03 #       <markun> it might become the default theme for rockbox
12.15.25 #       <vitalspark> yeah ? its definitely nicer than the existing default imo
12.15.36 #       <pixelma> the old parser showed the WPS to the point it was broken - so it also looked completely broken and you could get some idea where the error was
12.15.46 #       <BigBambi> Anything is nicer than the existing default :)
12.16.24 #       <vitalspark> lol....yeah i dont understand why the existing default is so bland...would put users off before they had a chance to explore
12.17.11 #       <vitalspark> hmm ipod hard disc seems to be going crazy....constant accessing
12.17.17 #       <Bagder> vitalspark: you don't "understand" it? you read up on the history of the project and the wps and stuff and tried to understand it?
12.17.50 #       <vitalspark> easy tiger
12.17.59 #       <vitalspark> i was just saying
12.18.56 #       <pixelma> vitalspark: I think that the bug you asked about earlier becomes even more obvious with an album art them (as cabbie2 is)
12.18.58 #       <BigBambi> vitalspark - rockbox has been going for many years, starting out on the old Archos players.  For the original of them, the default makes perfect sense
12.19.15 #       <vitalspark> yeah, I can imagine that
12.19.28 #       <BigBambi> vitalspark - Rockbox runs on many more players than iPods, which are a fairly recent addition
12.19.36 #       <BigBambi> It is not on iPod project
12.19.50 #       <vitalspark> yeah i saw that from the website
12.20.10 #       <markun> vitalspark: this was one of the first rockbox targets: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsArchos
12.20.39 #       <pixelma> the current default has one advantage - it works with a lot of fonts. It didn't look all that bad with e.g. nimbus-10 on my c200 (so that 8 lines fit on the screen)... yeah, I know the c200 has a much smaller display than an Ipod Video... :)
12.20.42 #       <BigBambi> This is why we do not try to replecate the iPod, we want to free the iPod and all the other players (most of which have much better hardware than the iPod incidently)
12.21.03 #       * BigBambi gets annoyed by people assuming rockbox is an iPod thing and no other players exist
12.21.34 #       <vitalspark> hey bambi, i didnt assume that dude
12.21.43 #       <vitalspark> ive seen all the players rockbox supports
12.21.45 #       * markun feels sorry for vitalspark :)
12.21.46 #       <BigBambi> I meqnt in generql
12.21.58 #       <BigBambi> *general
12.22.04 #       <vitalspark> i know the team who did it are doing a great job
12.22.26 #       <BigBambi> gah, replace q with a where appropriate.  Damn azerty keyboard!
12.22.56 #       <markun> BigBambi: don't remind me!
12.22.58 #       <pixelma> poor BigBqmbi ;)
12.23.21 #       <vitalspark> wonder if there'll be a rockbox for the new ipod touch  :)
12.23.26 #       <BigBambi> vitalspark:  Sorry, I didn't mean to have a go at you, I was just venting.  You would be surprised how many people do assume that though.
12.23.41 #       <BigBambi> pixelma, markun: :)
12.24.25 #       <vitalspark> yeah i can imagine
12.24.53 #       <markun> vitalspark: usually someone decides to port rockbox to a target which he already owns or wants to buy. It also involves a lot of luck, skill and time.
12.24.55 #       <vitalspark> im a pc user, i dont expect everything to work straight away  :)
12.26.08 #       <BigBambi> vitalspark: The point is though, there isn't a rockbox team that decides to do a port, owners do it with help from the existing devs
12.27.07 #       <markun> BigBambi: although most ports I remember have been started by existing rockbox devs (irivers, ipod, e200, gigabeat)
12.27.33 #       <vitalspark> I'm sure it's more complicated than I (with little programming knowledge) can imagine
12.27.55 #       <BigBambi> me too :)
12.27.55 #       <markun> vitalspark: if you are interested I'm sure you can help out with making rockbox better
12.28.16 #       <BigBambi> i.e. more complicated than I too can imagine, not that you can...
12.28.29 #       * BigBambi is managing to be unintentionally insulting today
12.28.32 #       <vitalspark> he he
12.28.45 #       <vitalspark> lol dont worry i didnt misinterpret
12.29.22 #       <vitalspark> only way i can see to make rockbox better is by reporting bugs and suggesting changes/features
12.29.56 #       <BigBambi> Documentation
12.30.37 #       <vitalspark> documentation
12.31.16 #       <BigBambi> i.e. help with it
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12.31.30 #       <BigBambi> That is another way you can help to make rockbox better
12.31.32 #       <markun> I noticed that MarcGuay is quite active cleaning up the wiki. Does anyone know if he's also on IRC?
12.31.39 #       <vitalspark> ah, I see
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12.32.01 #       <markun> vitalspark: or designing graphics, or trying to think of ways the interface could be improved.
12.32.03 #       <BigBambi> We have an excellent manual, but it still needs much done, and the wiki is full of outdated info
12.32.20 #       <BigBambi> markun: Don't know, sorry
12.32.37 #       <Bagder> markun: he seems to be around in the forums at least
12.32.43 #       <pixelma> markun: seen him a few times around here (not speaking though) but he's also quite active in the forums
12.33.23 #       <BigBambi> Hmmm, tab complete on the web client is funny - it only takes the last letter typed, so when I tried it with ma for markun, I cycle through the people beginning with a
12.33.44 #       <markun> BigBambi: yes, I noticed that too when I used it
12.33.48 #       <vitalspark> thanks guys I'll take all that stuff on board
12.35.50 #       <markun> vitalspark: most important job I forgot: becoming our new release manager! :)
12.36.52 #       <vitalspark> lol
12.37.15 #       <markun> vitalspark: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/08/the-agony-of-release/
12.38.31 #       <markun> Bagder: what do you think of putting http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/category/floss/rockbox/ on the rockbox front page?
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12.39.07 #       <vitalspark> daily builds, wow
12.39.40 #       <cool_walking__> As a user, I don
12.39.47 #       <cool_walking__> 't see the need for a release
12.39.58 #       <Bagder> markun: nah, it would feel a bit too egocentric of me, and I rather prefer to be as off or on topic as I please
12.40.17 #       <Bagder> cool_walking_: well, lots of other users do
12.40.53 #       <markun> Bagder: I think the things you write are interesting to most rockbox users, but it's not so easy to find.
12.41.20 #       <markun> but I can understand if you don't want it
12.42.33 #       <markun> and isn't the rockbox category always on topic?
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12.44.29 #       <vitalspark> good that worked
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12.49.29 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Regarding jpeg - they are easier to scale down than bmps, as you can make use of size-reducing idcts (like the jpeg plugin already does)
12.49.56 #       <amiconn> That said, adding jpeg support to the core still sounds like overkill to me...
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12.52.17 #       <picard_pwns_kirk> will the 2nd generation ipod nano be supported anytime in the near future?
12.52.43 #       <Bagder> not likely
12.54.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: we'll need flexible downscaling for the core anyway
12.54.16 #       <preglow> adding jpeg to the core sounds like something we need to do to finish the album art support
12.54.26 #       <preglow> stripped down as far as possible, of course
12.54.30 #       <Bagder> I agree
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12.55.19 #       <preglow> we won't need the modified idcts, for example
12.55.35 #       <preglow> i assume most album art is reasonably sized...
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12.59.53 #       <pixelma> preglow: I wouldn't rely on that...
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13.09.10 #       <vitalspark> thanks so much for the info guys....gonna go study now but will be keeping an eye on the rockbox site/room
13.09.51 #       <amiconn> preglow: Good joke... most embedded album art I encountered so far was rather huge....
13.11.01 #       <amiconn> I remember one extreme example where the album art made up half the size of the whole mp3.... not because of its resolution though
13.11.35 #       <amiconn> ...but because the very same image was attached several hundred times (!)
13.11.41 #       <Thundercloud> Hahaha
13.12.02 #       <Bagder> having the video for the song in the id3 tags is veeeery useful ;-)
13.13.57 #       <pixelma> had a song which got two embedded jpgs (front and back cover) both around 350x350 pixels wide...
13.15.38 #       <pixelma> and one with a 500x500 png
13.16.19 #       <preglow> pngs as well, now...
13.16.34 #       <preglow> jpegs are the most commong, i hope?
13.18.29 #       <LinusN> speaking of metadata, shouldn't we change the parsers so they always load the entire tag into memory (MoB)?
13.18.53 #       <LinusN> except for id3 on archos, of course
13.19.14 #       <preglow> load the entire tag into memory? in what way don't we do that now?
13.19.38 #       <LinusN> i have heard many examples where we skip tags because they are big
13.19.49 #       <preglow> ahh, yes, the structs need to be redone for that, i think
13.19.52 #       <LinusN> for example huge comments in id3
13.20.03 #       <preglow> the structs are fixed size right now, with fixed size array members for stuff like comments
13.20.07 #       <preglow> we need to make them dynamic
13.20.26 #       <LinusN> they need to be pointers into MoB
13.20.29 #       <preglow> yep
13.20.39 #       <preglow> exactly
13.20.53 #       <LinusN> the database is another matter, though
13.21.07 #       <preglow> why would the database need to care about comments or other huge records?
13.21.08 #       <LinusN> i don't know how dynamic it is
13.21.48 #       <LinusN> i can imagine other records being huge too
13.22.11 #       <preglow> myeah, me too, but i can't recall hearing any complaints about it, and i would have thought we'd have heard them by now
13.22.15 #       <preglow> since that problem is a current one
13.22.32 #       <LinusN> like "The Entire Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, directed by mr Lennart Rickardsson, formerly director of the international cricket society"
13.22.41 #       <LinusN> etc
13.22.46 #       <preglow> hahaha
13.22.51 #       <preglow> but yeah, i've got a couple of those
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13.23.37 #       <preglow> Bal-Sagoth - The Dark Liege of Chaos Is Unleashed at the Ensorcelled Shrine of A'Zura-Kai (The Splendour of a Thousand Swords Gleaming Beneath the Blazon of the Hyperborean Empire Part II), for example :)
13.23.48 #       <LinusN> omg
13.24.03 #       <preglow> i think i checked once, and the db dealt with it fine
13.24.34 #       <idnar> Bal-Sagoth - [Starfire Burning Upon The Ice-Veiled Throne Of Ultima Thule #07] And Lo, When The Imperium Marches Against Gul-Kotho
13.24.37 #       <idnar> th, Then Dark Sorceries Shall Enshroud The Citadel Of The Obsidian Crown (Episode: VIII)
13.24.56 #       <LinusN> lovely :-)
13.25.01 #       <pixelma> preglow: the database supports comment tags for a while now (WPS too)
13.25.03 #       <Bagder> I'm sure you have selected klingon when you play those!
13.25.06 #       <preglow> right
13.25.11 #       <idnar> throw in the album name for good measure ;)
13.25.46 #       <preglow> hmm, wtf
13.25.53 #       <preglow> lang file is bust on my h120 install
13.25.58 #       <preglow> now, why would it be that
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13.29.21 #       <pixelma> preglow: self-compiled? Had problems with a LANG_* string during compiling, make clean and reconfigure fixed it
13.29.50 #       <preglow> didn't fix it here
13.29.56 #       <preglow> song context screen is broken
13.30.01 #       <preglow> %s doesn't exist, haha
13.30.05 #       <preglow> i'll try a good build
13.31.21 #       <preglow> official builds work
13.32.25 #       <preglow> well, no
13.32.33 #       <preglow> that track title is not dealt with gracefully at all
13.32.39 #       <preglow> it's chopped off rather nastialy
13.32.43 #       <preglow> nastily too
13.32.52 #       <crazy_bus> I have a e200 I need to unbrick.  The thing is I live in Australia and there are two type of firmware.  Europe and america.  Which would be for me?
13.32.58 #       <preglow> as befits the music, though
13.36.25 #       <markun> crazy_bus: which firmwares are there to choose from?
13.38.41 #       <crazy_bus> markun: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
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13.47.06 #       <Bagder> crazy_bus: just pick one, you can always change again later on
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13.47.48 #       <crazy_bus> so it won't brick the player if I choose wrong?
13.47.51 #       <DefineByte> I would go for European.
13.48.23 #       <amiconn> Bagder: It wasn't a video, just a jpeg, but attached 200 times (or was it 400? Don't remember exactly)
13.48.42 #       <Bagder> I realized that, I was just seeing new potentials!
13.48.46 #       <crazy_bus> but the European model doesn't include the fm radio I thought.  While the australian still had it
13.48.59 #       <DefineByte> well there you go then.
13.49.03 #       <Bagder> well
13.49.05 #       <Bagder> that's not really true
13.49.17 #       <Bagder> there are euro models with and euro models without
13.52.13 #       <crazy_bus> so the european firmware on that page would work on both models?
13.53.13 #       <Bagder> either way, you can't brick the unit by trying them out
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13.53.46 #       <crazy_bus> can I brick the player by by putting other things in the recovery partition?
13.54.18 #       <Bagder> no
13.55.04 #       <Bagder> the e200 models are very hard to brick
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13.55.16 #       <crazy_bus> that's a relief
13.56.35 #       <crazy_bus> I read that later ipod's have their firmware encrypted and that means rockbox will be very difficult to port to it.  If this is so are different brands of players also encrypting?
13.57.02 #       <Bagder> many players use different degrees of scrambling and encryption
13.57.29 #       <Bagder> the recent ipods have just taken the level to a new extreme
13.58.58 #       <crazy_bus> is that a direction only ipods are taking?  Or are other players becoming less rockbox friendly (not that they helped before)
13.59.30 #       <Bagder> I can't say it's a trend universally though, as the recent sansa for example are _less_ encrypted that the previous ones
14.00.12 #       <Bagder> but who knows how they work...
14.00.44 #       <crazy_bus> quote: Maybe you think that you are dreaming... but it is reality :) They also want Rockbox ported to a player they have - it has a single-chip solution with an arm9 core. They will give us some players and support.
14.00.58 #       <crazy_bus> is that just a chip or a full player.  And did anything become of that?
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14.01.09 #       <Bagder> that's a chip
14.01.16 #       <Bagder> nothing came out of it (so far)
14.01.23 #       <Bagder> that chips is what the new sansas use
14.01.41 #       <Bagder> and some Chinese manufacturer(s) do too
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14.01.50 #       <crazy_bus> so will that mean it will be easier to port to the new sansas?
14.01.59 #       <Bagder> possibly, yes
14.02.10 #       <Bagder> there are other factors too, but that's a pretty good start
14.02.58 #       <crazy_bus> why did they do it.  I would have thought that companies wouldn't buy chips for rockbox being ported to them
14.03.24 #       <Bagder> why did who do what?
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14.04.08 #       <crazy_bus> why did AustianMicrosystems help rockbox.  I would have thought sandisk would not be more to choose them if rockbox works on their chip
14.04.40 #       <Bagder> AMS just wants people to use (buy) their chips
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14.05.30 #       <Bagder> time to run, bb tonight
14.05.42 #       <crazy_bus> buy.  Thanks for all your help
14.05.45 #       <crazy_bus> *by
14.05.47 #       <crazy_bus> *bye
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14.21.44 #       <crazy_bus> there also seems to be a pacific version of the firmware.  That seems closer to Australia but says it has asian language support.  Now I'm really not sure and will have to try and get all three
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15.38.12 #       <svendb> Who do I ask about getting write permission on Rockbox twiki?
15.38.54 #       <GodEater> me!
15.39.01 #       <GodEater> What's your wiki name ?
15.40.02 #       <svendb> svendtorgersen
15.40.18 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Work your magic, GodEater. :)
15.40.30 #       <svendb> :)
15.40.33 #       <GodEater> svendb: done
15.40.40 #       <svendb> thanks
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16.26.41 #       <LambdaCalculus37> GodEater: Looks like our newly registered wiki friend has a new port in mind: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15239.0
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17.01.23 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Anyone notice that more junk mail is filtering into the mailing list?
17.01.44 #       <LambdaCalculus37> http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-01/0287.shtml
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18.47.54 #       <B4gder> rasher: it seems the build went fine, even if not very fast...
18.48.20 #       <rasher> Yeah, I had make -j ... any chance the acbuild.pl on your server could have -j 1 as default, rather than that?
18.48.36 #       <B4gder> sure
18.49.06 #       <rasher> Saves me having to edit the vm, and it seems like a more reasonable default
18.49.30 #       <rasher> The load was >50, which obviously won't work very well
18.49.48 #       <B4gder> whoa
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18.50.47 #       <rasher> With make -j 1 it should be "slightly" faster.
18.52.31 #       <rasher> Now to find something else to commit
18.52.58 #       <pixelma> hmm... could be me
18.54.06 #       <rasher> B4gder: recv2 is a revision behind
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18.54.07 #       <pixelma> ah, "something" - not "someone" :)
18.54.28 #       <rasher> Well, by all means, go ahead
18.54.36 #       <B4gder> yes, palmtopia is slightly silly atm
18.54.43 #       <B4gder> it has no zip
18.54.54 #       <rasher> shouldn't it only do sim builds then?
18.55.11 #       <B4gder> I thought he'd fix it pretty quickly so I didn't change the builds
18.55.24 #       <rasher> Ah, makes sense
18.55.33 #       <B4gder> it only does sh builds
18.55.40 #       <B4gder> due to being slow
18.56.48 #       <B4gder> bbl
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18.57.03 #       <pixelma> rasher: just wanted to test compile one more before I hit enter (shouldn't take too long anymore)
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19.22.40 #       <rasher> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#LCD_Screen_Sizes_BMP_Compatibili <-- Isn't this table wrong? At least h1x0 supports 2bit bitmaps
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19.23.56 #       <preglow> n1s: oh? any specifics?
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19.27.36 #       <rasher> pixelma: fancy creating a smaller 2-bit rockbox logo?
19.28.14 #       <pixelma> rasher: that table is wrong because you can use 24-bit bmps on greyscale too, Rockbox does the dithering...
19.28.27 #       <pixelma> rasher: what size?
19.28.46 #       <rasher> pixelma: whichever suits you - a bit smaller than the smallest 2-bit screen (for the logo plugin)
19.29.01 #       <rasher> Maybe the current logos in use in logo.rock can be "coloured"
19.31.25 #       <pixelma> hmm, wouldn't want to do that today (got 2 and a half other "projects") but I can keep that in the back of my head in case no-one else has a go
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19.33.24 #       <rasher> Excellent
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19.40.35 #       <markun> hi toffe82
19.41.01 #       <toffe82> Hello markun
19.41.13 #       <markun> can you comment on this? http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=CA71B6C1-3048-7B00-41767A9E42D3FC1C
19.43.35 #       <toffe82> it is not a pin to pin cable, some signal are crossed
19.44.08 #       <markun> ok, I thought so already
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19.45.09 #       <markun> is it possible to connect a zif-40 cable to such a flat-cable?
19.46.14 #       <markun> I mean, soldering will not really be an option, right?
19.47.16 #       <toffe82> there is 2 option I think : one is a brand new flat cable withe the good connection, the other one is using a connector to interface to the existing connector of the orignal flat cable and from there go to a flat cable with the good wiring
19.48.08 #       <toffe82> didn't somebody found an adapter for this ? there was something in the mail list ?
19.48.15 #       <markun> yes, they did
19.48.22 #       <markun> I don't fully understand your option 1
19.48.40 #       <toffe82> build a brand new flat cable
19.49.19 #       <markun> will the same cable fit in both the gigabeat mobo and the HDD?
19.49.23 #       <toffe82> but I didn't know if it is possible as some signal will be crossed on the cable, a staight one is easy to do
19.49.54 #       <toffe82> the cable fit on the hd of the s30
19.50.44 #       <markun> The X is also ZIF-40, right?
19.50.54 #       <toffe82> yes
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19.52.05 #       <toffe82> the problem is that when they design the F I think they didn't have the caracteristics of the zif connector so it is not standard
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19.58.28 #       <JoeZ99> hi everybody.
19.58.32 #       <JoeZ99> just a quick - very quick question
19.58.51 #       <JoeZ99> anyone heard of the Toshiba Gigabyte U series ????
19.59.32 #       <JoeZ99> can't find rockbox for it, and I'm afraid there's no other gigabyte alike , so I can not "borrow" the port from it.
19.59.33 #       <LambdaCalculus37> JoeZ99: We know of the GigaBEAT U series. But it's not supported by Rockbox.
19.59.49 #       <JoeZ99> I see. Well, txs anyway.
20.00.08 #       <JoeZ99> It looks like something is wrong with these ultra-light-flash-based things
20.00.33 #       <JoeZ99> because even tle ipod shuffle has issues and it's not very linux-friendly.
20.01.03 #       <JoeZ99> LambdaCalculus37: thanks for the advice.
20.01.34 #       <Horscht> that's because those companies don't care about Linux users
20.01.48 #       <Horscht> cause Linux users are generealy against DRM
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20.04.15 #       <amiconn> rasher: Btw, there is no such thing as a 2-bit BMP. BMP only supports the following bit depths: 1, 4, 8, 15/16, 24, 32
20.05.28 #       <amiconn> The rockbox bmp loader supports all of these, the only requirement for 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit BMPs is that they must use the canonical bit assignment for the respective depth
20.05.52 #       <amiconn> (1, 4 and 8 bit BMPs use a palette)
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20.06.55 #       <rasher> Yeah well, I was after display depth, really
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20.09.07 #       <amiconn> Hmm. That table doesn't list the display depths though
20.10.32 #       <rasher> Yeah, I couldn't find a list of display depths, actually, other than DeviceChart which isn't terribly convenient
20.11.00 #       <amiconn> And the statement 'no remote' for the ipods is also wrong (at least the mini G2 definitely supports a remote - but not yet in rockbox)
20.11.10 #       <amiconn> I actually *have* that remote....
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20.11.32 #       <rasher> Don't those use the accessory protocol?
20.13.16 #       <amiconn> They do
20.13.33 #       <amiconn> That protocol is not the big problem though. The PP serial interface is....
20.13.56 #       <rasher> Yeah, I should've said "accessory interface", rather
20.17.34 #       <amiconn> I should also have a 1st/2nd Gen ipod remote laying around somewhere...
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20.18.14 #       <rasher> I'm sure cracking the serial interface mystery will win you loads of friends
20.18.14 #       <amiconn> ipl has a serial port driver for PP5002
20.19.37 #       <lostlogic> would make me your friend
20.20.00 #       <lostlogic> want to be able to remote control my ipod when it's by my receiver
20.20.02 #       <rasher> I'd have to compile and test every sim to see if my logo.rock changes work.. Maybe it's faster for everyone if I just use the build system for it
20.20.44 #       <amiconn> Well, if only I would be more interested in remotes....
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20.21.25 #       <amiconn> Afaik LinusN did a lot of disassembling work on the G5 firmware in order to crack the serial i/f - still no luck
20.22.20 #       <scorche|w> lostlogic: didnt we just have a short chat about this? ;)
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20.22.56 #       <lostlogic> scorche|w: yeah, and I'm too stupid to crack the protocol myself ;)
20.23.47 #       <scorche|w> well, serial
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20.29.13 #       <webguest73> Hi
20.29.18 #       <amiconn> Too bad that there seems to be no diag code for the remote ...
20.29.44 #       <rasher> amiconn: meaning you have to RE the main retailos image?
20.30.28 #       <webguest73> I've got a mp4-player did it give for mp4's hacks?
20.30.50 #       <amiconn> Probably, although iirc there is some serial console code in the rom
20.31.20 #       <scorche|w> webguest73: sorry, but you arent making much sense...if you are asking if rockbox supports a device called "mp4-player", it doesnt
20.32.12 #       <webguest73> it give no codes for mp4-players?
20.32.23 #       <rasher> webguest73: No.
20.33.22 #       <webguest73> really, for ipod's (e.g. ipod video) you can download something for rockbox?
20.33.29 #       <rasher> Yes.
20.34.12 #       <webguest73> But for normal mp4-player not????
20.34.28 #       <scorche|w> webguest73: is the device called "mp4-player"?
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20.35.33 #       <JdGordon|w> amiconn: FS#8457 needs testing on a real player...
20.35.42 #       <webguest73> yes it's called mp4 Digitalplayer
20.36.00 #       <scorche|w> then it is not supported...all the targets that rockbox supports are listed on the front page
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20.37.14 #       <webguest73> can you say me if it gives other pages were i can watch at???
20.37.29 #       <Horscht> probably not
20.38.22 #       <webguest73> pity, but thank you!!!
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20.40.35 #       <webguest73> one question i have still, give it workshops were i can learn it
20.41.41 #       <Horscht> learn what?
20.42.22 #       <webguest73> to make something like rockbox
20.42.30 #       <rasher> I seem to have forgotten something
20.44.42 #       <webguest73> Horscht exist so something in the web or at books???
20.45.07 #       <Horscht> there are lots of books about coding, yes
20.45.25 #       <LambdaCalculus37> There's plenty of information online about coding as well.
20.45.31 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Google is your best friend.
20.46.38 #       <webguest73> i've watched at google but i didn't found anything? At what words should i search??
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20.47.28 #       <Horscht> "learning code" i'd say
20.47.39 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Or just start from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29
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21.11.14 #       <pixelma> hmm... the spammer in the ml got through another time
21.15.56 #       <LambdaCalculus37> pixelma: Yes, I saw that too!
21.16.02 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Where the hell is it coming from?
21.18.27 #       <scorche|w> is Bagder at it again?
21.19.44 #       * LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
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21.33.22 #       <Daniel_S> JdGordon: how can I define the list position, width... in your latest patch? My .vp file doesn't work anymore
21.34.14 #       <PaulJam> rasher: did you notice the warning on H300 and M5 in logo.c?
21.35.38 #       <rasher> PaulJam: I did not. Hard to keep track of it with all these false warnings
21.36.41 #       * rasher sighs
21.37.00 #       <rasher> I don't know what that warning means, or why it appears on those two targets only
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21.37.44 #       <pixelma> 64-bit build server?
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21.39.30 #       <rasher> Could be the combination of 16-bit display and 1-bit remote, but I don't know how, or what to do about it
21.39.35 #       <amiconn> rasher: Actually dead easy to spot. Check logo.c line 35:
21.39.37 #       <amiconn> extern const fb_data remote_rockboxlogo[];
21.39.46 #       <amiconn> That *must* be fb_remote_data
21.40.03 #       * rasher boggles
21.40.12 #       <rasher> Why no problem for h1x0 then?
21.40.21 #       <amiconn> And I really don't understand why plugin authors don't use the generated .h files for the bitmaps - it's soooo much easier....
21.40.44 #       <amiconn> Because for H1x0, fb_remote_data and fb_data are both unsigned chars
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21.40.53 #       <amiconn> Same for X5 - both are unsigned shorts
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21.41.07 #       <rasher> M5, you mean?
21.41.15 #       <amiconn> But on M5, main -> char, remote -> short. Other way round on H300
21.41.28 #       <amiconn> No, the X5 does *not* have the warning
21.41.31 #       <rasher> amiconn: Generated .h files?
21.41.42 #       <amiconn> The warning appears if fb_remote_data != fb_data
21.41.58 #       <amiconn> And that precisely applies to the M5 and the H300 - no others
21.42.20 #       <pondlife> rasher: Do you have a VMWare build server?  Or did I misunderstand?
21.42.59 #       <amiconn> rasher: Check e.g. what pixelma did in her latest sliding_puzzle commit, or how solitaire handles it...
21.43.06 #       <rasher> pondlife: I do - it's the one running (somewhat poorly, but my hw isn't exactly cutting edge) as rasher.dyndns.org
21.43.19 #       <pondlife> Using which VMWare image?
21.43.38 #       <rasher> pondlife: My own minimal one - I should find somewhere to upload it..
21.43.47 #       <rasher> amiconn: Guess I've been looking at the wrong plugins for examples
21.43.47 #       * pondlife was hinting as much
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21.43.55 #       <amiconn> And take a look at <build-dir>/bitmaps and <build-dir>/pluginbitmaps...
21.44.21 #       <pondlife> For some reason, the VMs that GodEater has spent hours creating for me fail to have an ethernet adapter.
21.44.46 #       <amiconn> That'll save you a ton of #defines, and the need to decalre the bitmaps explicitly
21.44.48 #       <pondlife> But the original one from the wiki works.
21.44.52 #       <amiconn> *declare
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21.45.39 #       <rasher> Bagder: Guess you should remove my build server again, it's not terribly helpful, and I won't be running it on a regular basis
21.47.20 #       <amiconn> It'll also auto-protect you from size mismatches
21.47.59 #       <rasher> I actually looked for something like that, but failed to notice the .h files and only looked in the generated .c
21.48.50 #       <pixelma> this help to get rid of a ton of per display defines of *_WIDTH etc. in brickmania for example
21.48.55 #       <pixelma> *helped
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21.56.58 #       <advlaptop2019> is seeking on the broken on the e200 with the latest build
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22.13.51 #       <BenniBoya> just a question, what platform was rockbox originaly made for?
22.14.20 #       <DefineByte> Archos, I assume.
22.14.30 #       <Domonoky> archos players..
22.14.31 #       <DefineByte> you mean the model?
22.16.14 #       <BenniBoya> no i was just curious qhat brand
22.21.34 #       <Domonoky> the brand of the players doesnt really matter for rockbox, it depends more on whats inside a player..  :-)
22.21.39 #       <amiconn> rasher: Unless I overlooked something, the version that didn't use the .h file wouldn't have worked properly on several targets
22.22.07 #       <rasher> amiconn: Gah, what did I do now? And did using the .h file fix it?
22.22.10 #       <amiconn> (there wereless different logo size definitions in logo.c than actual bitmaps)
22.22.23 #       <amiconn> It should
22.22.29 #       <amiconn> I'm about to check
22.23.36 #       <rasher> And I even drew up handy ascii diagrams to make sure I got it right. Might as well just revoke my commit rights now
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22.24.24 #       <amiconn> #if LCD_DEPTH == 16 / #define LOGO_WIDTH 128 / #define LOGO_HEIGHT 40 (old code)
22.24.40 #       <amiconn> But the H10 logo is smaller... the .h file usage fixes that problem
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22.24.48 #       <rasher> Wonderful
22.24.48 #       <amiconn> Small H10 I mean
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22.28.19 #       <BenniBoya> do you know how your ment to put this - "export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH" In the /etc/profiles file, are you ment to changed PATH to where your rockbox folder is?
22.29.13 #       <rasher> No, you're meant to put exactly what it says
22.30.21 #       <BenniBoya> i end up having to type that into terminal while im in my build folder, 4get t, il love
22.30.24 #       <BenniBoya> live
22.35.56 #       <BenniBoya> hey is LinusN here?
22.37.57 #       <scorche|w> is there something specific you needed him for?
22.39.02 #       <Bagder> he's here in spirit! ;-)
22.39.04 #       <BenniBoya> he was helping em earlier
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22.39.14 #       <BenniBoya> lol
22.39.47 #       <markun> I made a small patch to give a least some feedback when the WPS failed to load: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/wps-warning.patch
22.39.51 #       <markun> is it ok to commit?
22.40.06 #       <BenniBoya> commit?
22.40.34 #       <markun> BenniBoya: commit == add to rockbox. But the question was not for you :)
22.40.49 #       <BenniBoya> i know, i just wanted to know what it ment
22.40.55 #       <markun> ah, ok
22.41.00 #       <Bagder> markun: perhaps the reason shouldn't be "failed to load"
22.41.14 #       <Bagder> at least not if it happened due to syntax error(s)
22.41.35 #       <fraseyboy> Hi, I have a Toshiba Gigabeat F20 with rockbox installed and I'm trying to get the EscapePodGB-AA theme working but it doesn't seem to work. There's no images or anything.... Like when i go into a song and goes into the playing screen there's like no theme...
22.41.56 #       <fraseyboy> It says that it needs 'AlbumArt, BMP Resize, & Scrolling Margin Text patches' applied. Maybe thats why?
22.42.02 #       <markun> fraseyboy: probably the WPS doesn't load because the syntax changes now and then
22.42.28 #       <markun> or maybe because you don't have those patches yes
22.42.28 #       <fraseyboy> oh
22.42.29 #       <fraseyboy> how can i get those patches?
22.42.30 #       <scorche|w> fraseyboy: that is exactly why..
22.42.50 #       <fraseyboy> how can i get an install the required patches?
22.43.10 #       <markun> Bagder: _wps_data_load could return an integer so we can print what exactly went wrong
22.43.53 #       <BenniBoya> hey in the bootloader, does this line ned to be changed at all?
22.43.54 #       <BenniBoya> rc=load_firmware(loadbuffer, BOOTFILE, MAX_LOADSIZE);
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22.44.17 #       <petur> markun: for authors it might be better to also give at least the line number?
22.44.19 #       <scorche|w> fraseyboy: well, there is a link on the side of the page that says "patches" and there are guides on how to patch in the wiki
22.44.27 #       <fraseyboy> oh ok il try that
22.44.32 #       <fraseyboy> thanks
22.44.52 #       <markun> petur: yes, could be useful
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22.47.15 #       <bird603568> ok maybe im misunderstanding some posts in the forums
22.47.52 #       <bird603568> but from what i understand to flash the e280v2 all i do is put the e200.pa.bin in the root of it
22.47.55 #       <bird603568> but that doesnt work
22.48.10 #       <bird603568> when i unplug it it just says refreshing database
22.48.12 #       <krazykit> bird603568, the e280v2 isn't a supported target.  what are you trying to do?
22.48.27 #       <bird603568> really?
22.48.41 #       <scorche|w> the list of supported targets are on the front page..
22.49.04 #       <krazykit> bird603568, you can determine if it's v2 by viewing the firmware version.  v2 have 03.x.x firmware versions.
22.49.08 #       <bird603568> then whats all this v2 crap im seeing on the forums?
22.49.21 #       <bird603568> its a v2 im not retarded
22.49.25 #       <krazykit> bird603568, they're working on porting it.  you're reading the New Ports forum
22.49.28 #       <markun> petur: I guess in print_debug_info could be reused for that, do we still need to print it to the console if we show a splash?
22.49.36 #       <rasher> Bagder: if you haven't removed my buildserver already, just leave it - I'm setting up a client on the same machine - except in native Linux this time
22.49.36 #       <bird603568> i know im reading them too
22.49.58 #       <Bagder> ok
22.50.21 #       <bird603568> http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
22.50.30 #       <bird603568> To upgrade to a custom firmware image, at least on the e200v2 players you simply put the firmware image (named e200pa.bin) in the root directory and then unplug USB.
22.50.33 #       <bird603568> doesnt work
22.50.39 #       <bird603568> just sits there afterwards
22.50.41 #       <petur> markun: don't know what print_debug_info shows.
22.50.42 #       <rasher> Should be more useful (although it's still not the fastest machine in the world)
22.50.55 #       <scorche|w> bird603568: rockbox doesnt work on those devices yet..
22.51.05 #       <bird603568> then why does it say so?
22.51.13 #       <scorche|w> where dioes it say that?
22.51.16 #       <scorche|w> does
22.51.19 #       <JdGordon|w> it specifiically says it DOESNT!
22.51.23 #       <rasher> bird603568: It doesn't.
22.51.30 #       <JdGordon|w> SanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models)
22.51.31 #       <bird603568> "at least on the e200v2 players"
22.51.36 #       <JdGordon|w> from the rockbox frontpage
22.51.38 #       <bird603568> see the v2
22.51.48 #       <scorche|w> that is information for forming a new port..
22.52.02 #       <scorche|w> i see nowhere saying that rockbox works on the v2
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22.52.11 #       <bird603568> thanks because it doesnt
22.52.15 #       * scorche|w winces at his own grammar
22.52.17 #       <bird603568> this is some guys version
22.52.17 #       <JdGordon|w> haha omg.... ok.... the v2 isnt a differnt model.... its the e200v2 and the c2--v2
22.52.22 #       <advlaptop2019> bird603568, <JdGordon|w> SanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models) from the rockbox frontpage
22.52.31 #       <Bagder> bird603568: it's not "some guys" version
22.52.40 #       <Bagder> it's my page documenting v2 details
22.52.45 #       <bird603568> http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html <-- it says version 2 at the top
22.53.02 #       <markun> Bagder == daniel
22.53.05 #       <scorche|w> bird603568: the owner of that page is telling you what that page is...
22.53.05 #       <BenniBoya> hey can someone here build me a certain bootloader
22.53.06 #       <bird603568> ahh
22.53.16 #       <BenniBoya> just the ipod one with a little modification
22.53.16 #       <bird603568> Bagder: thanks a whole lot on working on this
22.53.31 #       <bird603568> i really appreciate it
22.53.35 #       <bird603568> its a nice player
22.53.38 #       <markun> Bagder: allright, because you asked so nicely
22.54.20 #       <markun> that was for BenniBoya
22.54.20 #       <bird603568> so its just some page for docs even tho it says to upgrade to a custom image do this?
22.54.26 #       <bird603568> so i should just ignore it and wait?
22.54.45 #       <markun> bird603568: if you can help out that would be even better than waiting of course
22.54.45 #       <Bagder> bird603568: again: "it's my page documenting v2 details"
22.54.53 #       <Bagder> feel free to help us improve it
22.55.01 #       <scorche|w> bird603568: it isnt saying to do that...it is saying *how* it can be done
22.55.26 #       <bird603568> well im just saying the name it to e200pa.bin doesnt work on mine
22.55.29 #       <scorche|w> the "custom image" still has to be made
22.55.30 #       <markun> BenniBoya: so, which change?
22.55.55 #       <BenniBoya> i wanted to change it so rockbox boots with the hold switch on and ipod without
22.56.04 #       <BenniBoya> ive been trying for ages and it doesnt seem to work
22.56.07 #       <markun> and "the ipod one" == ipod nano?
22.56.13 #       <BenniBoya> yes
22.56.27 #       <markun> ok, give me a second
22.56.31 #       <BenniBoya> ty
22.56.33 #       <bird603568> Bagder: i take that back .14 doesnt work on the sansa
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22.56.35 #       <markun> or a few minutes :)
22.56.36 #       <bird603568> .11 does
22.56.51 #       <scorche|w> bird603568: and what would you be naming to e200pa.bin?
22.56.52 #       <bird603568> i just got a e280 today and just updated the firmware
22.56.56 #       <BenniBoya> the part that boots the firmwires is at the end of ipod.c I think
22.56.57 #       <bird603568> hopefully it will help
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22.58.14 #       <markun> BenniBoya: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/bootloader-ipodnano.ipod
22.58.44 #       <BenniBoya> thanks
22.58.53 #       <markun> have fun with it
22.58.53 #       <BenniBoya> and install it with ipod patcher?
22.59.07 #       <markun> I have no idea how to install ipod bootloaders
22.59.14 #       <BenniBoya> ok ill give it a try
22.59.17 #       <BenniBoya> i think i know how
22.59.18 #       <markun> scorche|w: do you know?
22.59.21 #       <markun> ok
23.00.46 #       <scorche|w> boss just walked in...cant chat...
23.00.55 #       <krazykit> BenniBoya, i think there's a command line switch for ipodpatcher.
23.01.41 #       * pondlife makes a button on scorche| |w's task bar flash
23.02.04 #       <BenniBoya> hey markun thanks, thers only one problem
23.02.13 #       <BenniBoya> the backlight isnt as...light as normal
23.02.25 #       <BenniBoya> oh sorry
23.02.25 #       <BenniBoya> ooops
23.02.25 #       <markun> BenniBoya: I didn't change it
23.02.28 #       <BenniBoya> it is
23.02.31 #       <BenniBoya> thanks
23.02.34 #       <markun> np
23.02.47 #       <markun> now go play your games :)
23.02.53 #       <BenniBoya> could you send me the ipod.c so I can see what ive been doing wrong?
23.02.59 #       <markun> sure
23.03.14 #       <markun> Maybe a patch is more clear?
23.03.21 #       <BenniBoya> umm yea
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23.03.24 #       <markun> or will you compare them in 2 editors?
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23.03.41 #       <BenniBoya> ill look at the patch
23.03.56 #       <BenniBoya> i like ur speakers
23.04.03 #       <markun> the patch looks a bit funny :)
23.04.13 #       <markun> BenniBoya: I still haven't finished them unfortunately
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23.04.24 #       <BenniBoya> they look good
23.04.27 #       <markun> they have been in the 'almost finished' stage for a long time
23.04.29 #       <markun> thanks
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23.04.40 #       <markun> my amp is still in the cartboard box ;)
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23.04.58 #       <BenniBoya> yea i can see that
23.05.07 #       <markun> but it's getting off-topic
23.05.38 #       <markun> BenniBoya: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/ipod-boot-swap.patch
23.05.58 #       <BenniBoya> yea
23.06.18 #       <markun> I changed less code than it seems from the patch
23.06.53 #       <markun> just swapped the code after "if (button_was_held || (btn==BUTTON_MENU)) {" with the code after "} else {"
23.07.04 #       <BenniBoya> i had tried that, didnt seem to work lol
23.07.13 #       <BenniBoya> and if i loaded linux on here that would still work?
23.07.20 #       <markun> sure
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23.07.39 #       <BenniBoya> one last question,how dp I aply patches?
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23.08.10 #       <scorche|w> the instructions are in multiple places on the wiki..
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23.08.27 #       <BenniBoya> ok thanks
23.08.32 #       <BenniBoya> tyvm markun
23.08.41 #       <markun> BenniBoya: there links are useful: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
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23.10.01 #       <markun> s/there/these/
23.10.39 #       <BenniBoya> this page is AWSOME!
23.10.41 #       <BenniBoya> thanks
23.11.08 #       <JdGordon|w> ... wouldnt go that far.... its edumacational
23.12.10 #       <BenniBoya> lol
23.12.13 #       * markun looks up edumacation
23.12.51 #       <DefineByte> it's in the urban dictionary so it must be a word
23.12.55 #       <BenniBoya> hey, is guesstimation a word?
23.12.56 #       <JdGordon|w> we dont need no... edumacation.... we dont need no umm...
23.13.08 #       * JdGordon|w really should be getting back to work
23.13.22 #       * BenniBoya sings "another brock in the wall"
23.13.46 #       <JdGordon|w> hahaha
23.14.03 #       <JdGordon|w> cept it was a tree :p
23.14.27 #       <BenniBoya> i dont have no, thought controle
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23.18.34 #       <Bagder> "Although Rockbox sucks for a lot of reasons, its ability to play FLACs, an honest-to-God equalizer, and my music actually sounding good are just things that I don't want to do without. "
23.18.41 #       <Bagder> => http://blorch.livejournal.com/79273.html
23.18.59 #       <markun> sounds golden to me ;)
23.20.38 #       <BenniBoya> haha this is kinda funny
23.20.39 #       <krazykit> of course, it doesn't SAY why it sucks, now does it?
23.20.39 #       <BenniBoya> If you use the wrong device, you might accidentally write to your computer's hard drive! This actually happened to someone.
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23.22.05 #       <Llorean> What install method lets you do that?
23.22.12 #       <pixelma> markun: but how can one understand it if it's on the same page, maybe even below or most famous golden quote?
23.22.33 #       <pixelma> *our
23.23.31 #       <markun> pixelma: the BoS one? What about it?
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23.25.22 #       <pixelma> markun: I just thought that "my music actually sounding good" from the blog is quite the opposite...
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23.26.35 #       <markun> pixelma: well, I still think it's a funny remark, even if it doesn't represent the rest of the post
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23.29.18 #       <BenniBoya> hey did some1 just add that quote to the wiki?
23.30.17 #       <scorche|w> BenniBoya: please use real english in here.. (no some1, 4get, etc)
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23.31.59 #       <markun> Took me a while before I understood what "ne1" was. First I thought it was a strange was of saying "no one".
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23.32.47 #       <BenniBoya> oh sorry
23.32.50 #       <BenniBoya> lol
23.33.02 #       <DefineByte> 'laughing out loud'
23.33.11 #       <BenniBoya> aww cant I say lol?
23.33.17 #       <DefineByte> x)
23.33.35 #       <BenniBoya> DONT TAKE MY LOL AWAY!!!!
23.34.08 #       <markun> BenniBoya: as long as you are really laughing while you type it I don't mind :)
23.34.32 #       <scorche|w> BenniBoya: caps too...
23.34.36 #       <BenniBoya> sol
23.34.39 #       <BenniBoya> smirking out loud
23.35.11 #       <markun> BenniBoya: if you really want to piss off scorche|w: all the hints are in here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines
23.35.11 #       <BenniBoya> i guess i cant say rofl either, I cant be rolling on ground laughing if im writing the message
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23.36.53 #       <BenniBoya> i gota go
23.36.56 #       <BenniBoya> thanks for all the help
23.37.25 #       <BenniBoya> cya]
23.37.31 #       <BenniBoya> lol
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23.38.05 #       * scorche|w puts down the sidearm
23.39.05 #       <toffe82_> is this a good one for rockbox  http://www.consumerdepot.com/products.asp?id=E260V
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23.39.24 #       <toffe82_> or this one : http://www.consumerdepot.com/products.asp?id=E250RB
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23.42.34 #       <Bagder> toffe82_: it's really hard to tell
23.42.37 #       <markun> toffe82_: I don't think you can tell if it's a v1 or v2
23.43.07 #       <toffe82_> I can make an offer at 20$ :)
23.43.45 #       <JdGordon|w> toffe82_: I got a 2gb e200 which i dont need anymore if your looking for one... no fm though
23.44.02 #       <JdGordon|w> and the screen has a small crack in the protetive cover
23.44.24 #       <markun> toffe82_: you can also help out with the v2 port :)
23.44.27 #       <toffe82_> JdGordon : thanks, I am just looking, I didn't really need one but if I find a good deal
23.44.38 #       <toffe82_> what is the problem with the v2 ?
23.44.46 #       <markun> http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
23.44.48 #       <toffe82_> I didn't follow so much on the sansa
23.45.03 #       <Bagder> the v2s are entirely new beasts
23.47.21 #       <toffe82_> what cpu do they use ?
23.47.30 #       <Bagder> AS3525, ARM9 core
23.48.01 #       <toffe82_> sorry, I missed the line :)
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23.56.55 #       <pizza> how can I get game boy color roms to work? I made a folder in my rockbox folder and put the ROM in there but I do not know how to start it
23.57.20 #       <krazykit> pizza, you read the manual which explains everything you need to know.
23.57.20 #       <scorche|w> pizza: the manual tells you how
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