--- Log for 04.02.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.05 # Thanks for your help. 00.00.16 Quit Gr34t3st ("Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm") 00.00.25 # markun: Maybe he's caught in the internet pickle they have in that area - or is it resolved by now? 00.00.37 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.02.23 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955C942.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.03.21 Quit MethoS_mobile (Remote closed the connection) 00.03.41 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955C942.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.04.08 Quit MethoS_mobile (Remote closed the connection) 00.04.50 # rasher: no idea 00.05.14 # I'll shoot him another mail 00.11.08 Quit StephenSquires ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.17.00 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b00bd68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96d7002f1fa0004f) 00.18.25 # I was reading the logs to see if moos had answered me and I noticed something that said there was an arabic translation. Where is that and why isn't it in svn? 00.20.11 # countrymonkey: it's (hopefully) on the translator's computer. 00.21.07 # or are you talking about a different arabic translation than rasher and I were talking about? 00.22.02 # That's the one I'm talking about. I was just commenting to my friend (when I was convincing him why rb was so much cooler than the apple os), "I just wonder why there is no arabic translation". 00.22.17 # Because no one has made one? 00.23.02 # We can't conjure things out of thin air 00.23.10 # I know. He was the one that asked, "Is there an arabic translation?" From what you last heard, is it work-in-progress or complete? 00.23.19 # Hard to tell 00.23.34 # He was a bit vague. 00.23.53 # What did he say? 00.24.07 # * BigBambi mentions "volunteer", "spare-time", "people work on what they want", "an arabic speaker hasn't helped us produce one", "we don't speak arabic, it is quite hard to do a translation without speaking the language" ... 00.24.14 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.24.49 # countrymonkey: I don't really want to quote the mail. He was vague as to whether or not the translation was done. I've told you everything I know. 00.25.10 # ok. I'll just wait and see. 00.25.36 # But it is a nice thing to have, with so many arabic speakers in the world. I hope it is done soon. 00.27.46 # If one of them helps it shall be done 00.27.57 # It is impossible to translate a language you do not speak 00.28.12 Join StephenSquires [0] (n=63f54202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-064e49b77424b5d2) 00.28.44 # I am aware. I am just crossing my fingers over the net. *knocks on wood* 00.30.27 Quit StephenSquires (Client Quit) 00.30.41 Quit eigma (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.31.10 # someone with a Sansa (no matter which) and a microSD card at hand, both containing music and willing to do a quick test to confirm something for me? 00.31.33 # pixelma: sure 00.31.43 # e260 and a 1GB card 00.33.16 # could you try creating a root.m3u8 by choosing "playlist > create playlist" from the menu while music is not playing - with plugged in microSD and then check if the root.m3u8 contains only files from the card or from both memories (as my Ondio does btw.)? 00.33.24 # OK 00.33.26 # one mo 00.34.13 # thank you :) 00.34.30 # pixelma: Both memories 00.34.52 Quit joshin (Remote closed the connection) 00.35.00 # ok, weird. It doesn't on my c200... 00.35.14 # bizarre 00.36.34 Join snipexv [0] (n=mtl@130-127-46-58.mccabe.resnet.clemson.edu) 00.36.36 Part BobSanders 00.46.11 Join StephenSquires [0] (n=63f54202@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d20c01e328585b4a) 00.46.31 Quit cool_walking_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.") 00.48.07 Quit ender` (" Marriage is not a word, it's a sentence. A life sentence...") 00.49.24 # pixelma: iirc that playlist creation depends on where the file browser is in the tree, so maybe you have browsed into a dir somewhere? 00.49.24 Quit roxfan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.54.02 # n1s: I think not, it's the same right after boot. I have set start screen to file browser so I am in the root when I try. And if I'm not doing something wrong it is exactly the same way I do on the Ondio... 00.54.09 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.57.22 Join hawk20011 [0] (i=hawk2001@CPE00112f995200-CM00194747918e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.57.45 Join roxfan [0] (n=dunno@115.60-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 00.57.53 Quit roolku_ () 00.58.38 Quit hawk20011 (Client Quit) 00.59.12 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.00.38 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.03.24 Join fenugrec [0] (n=ABC@206.167.203.215) 01.03.28 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.04.23 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.04.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.07.09 Quit StephenSquires ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.23.31 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 01.27.12 Quit n1s () 01.28.42 Quit obo ("bye") 01.29.57 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=Miranda@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 01.32.53 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-109787.home.otenet.gr) 01.36.27 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.40.09 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 01.42.09 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 01.42.22 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 01.42.42 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 01.46.24 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 01.49.51 # JdGordon: Hey. It cost me a good amount of effort to edit your list viewports patch to my version. So if I base it of your last version and fix the dual-drawing, it would be a better solution? I'm really thinking my approach is more flexible, and if not at least a lot more easier to read and maintain. But I don't want to waste the time in editting the stuff again, when you think my approach... 01.49.53 # ...is working but not good enough. 01.55.31 Join User467 [0] (i=User@CPE00112f995200-CM00194747918e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.55.58 Quit User467 (Client Quit) 01.57.08 Join hawk20011 [0] (i=IceChat7@CPE00112f995200-CM00194747918e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.58.57 Part pixelma 02.00.01 Quit ol_schoola () 02.00.55 Quit hawk20011 ("On the other hand, you have different fingers.") 02.01.38 Join panicbyte [0] (n=PanicByt@c-76-119-244-71.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.02.43 # hey, is rockbox team currently working on supporting the v2 e200 sansas? 02.10.53 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 02.15.29 Join Geeky123_ [0] (n=colin@bas12-montrealak-1167976327.dsl.bell.ca) 02.15.46 # panicbyte, read the thread in the New Ports forum 02.18.32 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 02.19.33 Quit panicbyte ("Ex-Chat") 02.31.14 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.40.51 Join joshin [0] (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-240-28.PHNX.QWEST.NET) 02.48.39 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.48.39 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.52.21 Quit DogBoy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.00 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 02.59.32 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.04.38 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 03.04.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.43 Quit simonrvn ("brb") 03.06.34 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 03.07.13 Join ztcptxm1bx [0] (n=pedrofon@189.25.15.73) 03.10.45 Join Imaginativeone [0] (n=Imaginat@c-69-251-71-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 03.11.25 # how do I watch tv on my iPod using RockBox? 03.13.17 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 03.13.55 Quit fenugrec ("Leaving") 03.14.34 # Imaginativeone: Please tell me that's either a joke, or you mean "how do I watch videos of TV shows", and don't actually expect Rockbox to somehow, by software, include a TV tuner. 03.15.01 # LOL...yes, I mean the latter 03.15.23 # I like to buy episodes of Numbers 03.15.35 # and I'd like to still be able to do that 03.16.47 # You can't watch iTunes video in Rockbox. Just boot into the Apple software to watch it. 03.18.42 # ugh - what a hassle. Thanks (but no thanks). 03.18.58 # Blame Apple 03.19.17 # Though I don't find simply turning the player off and on again a huge hassle. 03.19.55 # the general advantage would be to use the device in linux? 03.20.00 # No 03.20.11 # BUT I'd have to use Mac for the videos... 03.20.20 # No, you wouldn't 03.20.26 # iTunes does exist on Windows. 03.20.55 # The general advantage would be the fact that you need no program to manage your device, so can use any you choose from any OS that can access a UMS USB device. And the fact that you can have your music in almost any common or semi-common audio format. 03.20.59 # I could use Mac or Windows for the videos... 03.21.20 # ah 03.21.26 # But how were you planning to get the videos from iTunes without using Mac or Windows anyway? 03.22.00 # If you're just gonna record them from TV yourself and encode them, Rockbox does play video. It can't play iTunes' DRM'ed videos. 03.22.32 # actually, I have no idea how I'm going to get them... 03.22.47 # perhaps from Netflix on DVD 03.23.00 # But due to the fact that you bought an iPod Video, with its entirely undocumented hardware, the Apple software can play video better than us because they have access to hardware we have a truly minimal knowledge of. 03.23.00 # I only watch old stuff anyhow... 03.23.23 # aaahhh... 03.23.57 # I wish I knew where to get alternative tv from 03.24.29 # Well that's not really relevant to this channel 03.24.47 # heh heh...thanks for your help 03.29.48 Quit rbnovice ("CGI:IRC") 03.35.09 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.12 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.21 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.35.22 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.36 Quit ztcptxm1bx (Remote closed the connection) 03.38.16 Quit Geeky123_ ("Buh bye") 03.42.46 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!") 03.43.52 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-34-76.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.45.34 # Imaginativeone: you could rent the dvd's from netflix, rip and re-encode them to your liking 03.45.57 Join yuan [0] (i=yuan@117.12.200.250) 03.46.13 # is there a url for learning how to do that? 03.46.30 # for what OS 03.46.53 # Please don't discuss that in here 03.47.42 # ok 03.58.30 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.59.20 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.06.11 Quit Imaginativeone () 04.07.22 Quit yuan ("leaving") 04.19.50 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 04.21.28 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.22.17 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 04.27.40 Quit PaulJam (".") 04.29.37 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.29.42 Quit n17ikh|Lappy ("Leaving") 04.33.59 Quit billytwowilly (Remote closed the connection) 04.35.37 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 04.37.22 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 04.42.27 Quit BitTorment (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.46.46 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.58.55 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 04.59.03 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.59.43 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@static-71-164-213-195.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 05.03.04 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.27 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF46B7.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.04.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.17.42 Quit csc` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.34.03 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-79-30.calhoun.resnet.clemson.edu) 05.40.15 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.44.20 Quit defukt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.54.31 Quit qweru ("moo") 05.58.40 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 06.00.14 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.00.18 Join perrikwp [0] (n=chatzill@74.167.148.160) 06.01.29 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@ppp-64-91-85-245.cam.centurytel.net) 06.02.03 Part snipexv ("Leaving.") 06.22.45 # ok, viewports are really pissing me off now! 06.26.44 # whys that? 06.30.07 # coz they arnt working 06.49.09 Quit midgey () 07.04.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.03 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 07.06.35 Quit tvelocity ("?????????") 07.07.39 # #1 0x0000000000463cb3 in lcd_mono_bitmap_part (src=0x47c3f9 "&III2", src_x=0, src_y=0, stride=6, x=23, y=0, width=6, height=8) at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:777 07.07.39 # #2 0x000000000046425a in lcd_putsxyofs (x=23, y=0, ofs=0, str=0x473b21 "Shuffle") at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:939 07.07.43 # :'( 07.08.38 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.11.59 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-115349.home.otenet.gr) 07.12.08 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 07.14.46 Quit psycho_maniac (" quit") 07.18.58 # ok, something is truly fucked with my setup now... its crashing in lcd_hline()?! 07.29.15 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.31.24 Part toffe82 07.39.35 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-115349.home.otenet.gr) 07.52.07 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.54.55 Join crazy_bus [0] (n=philip@121.217.238.205) 07.56.07 # it says in this forum thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5702.0 that the scrollwheel patch for had being applied to the main builds. I was wondering if there was a option to enable it or if I have to compile my own custom build? 07.56.35 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 08.07.27 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.08.28 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 08.08.45 # morning linuxstb 08.09.22 # Good morning. 08.09.46 # viewports is driving me nuts.... 08.10.02 # I've almost got the quickscreen finished, but it likes crashing in the lcd driver 08.10.11 Quit ch4os_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.10.14 Join ch4os__ [0] (n=ch4os@g132.brzezno.univ.gda.pl) 08.11.33 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008020304]") 08.12.02 # Do you have a patch? 08.12.19 # almost... ill post it before I goto bed 08.12.22 # ...preferably not called "changes" ;) 08.12.33 # display->drawrect(0,0, vps[display->screen_type][i].width, vps[display->screen_type][i].height); is bloody crashing it! 08.12.46 # .. that is after setting the viewport 08.13.22 Join spr0k3t_ [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-171-220.kc.res.rr.com) 08.13.26 # I would just add DEBUGF statements in the drawrect function to see what's going on. 08.17.11 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0D12D.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.18.49 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.20.25 # arg.. i have no idea... I'm definatly staying inside the lcd :'( 08.21.11 # I downloaded an album of jamendo which included album art. However pictureflow says it can find no album art. Is there anything I'm meant to do to make it work? 08.21.13 # A backtrace should tell you what's going on 08.21.57 # oh fucking hell... drawmode wasnt being inited :'( 08.22.08 # setting up the viewports is too much of a pita 08.22.16 # crazy_bus: read the AlbumArt wiki page ? 08.22.51 # I searched the pdf manual for picture flow and didn't find anything before. I'll check the wiki now 08.23.03 # JdGordon: Then create a function to initialise a viewport... 08.23.37 # amiconn: so, i was thiking about the "problem" with the quickscreen not really being quick anymore and i think with a bit of fiddling with the keymaps it should work fine again.. im surprised noone played with it since it was broken a year ago... should be an easy fix 08.24.44 # Yeah, but that might require 2 contexts on recorders 08.24.48 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-143-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.25.56 # I bet most users today don't know about the real quick way of operating the quickscreen... plus many targets won't allow it hardware wise 08.26.21 # na, make the WPS return ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN instead of _WPS_QUICKSCREEN and it should be fine 08.27.15 Quit conando (Client Quit) 08.27.23 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.27.25 Quit crazy_bus (Remote closed the connection) 08.27.59 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.28.27 # ... did someone say customizable quickscreens? 08.29.15 # http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3in6.png 08.29.43 # need to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done 08.33.25 # anyone object to having them all centered instead of aligned to the edges? 08.34.56 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.35.04 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.36.06 # Bagder: xmms? Why not rockboxui? 08.36.45 # or audacious 08.37.54 # JdGordon: Imo the left option should use left aligned text, and the right option right aligned text 08.37.54 # which lcd has the narrowest screen? 08.38.18 # Bagder: and while you are at it, is that a real screen shot from you, or a stock image from somewhere? (that is good music playing on that screenshot..) 08.38.42 # Hmm, and where are the arrow icons?? 08.39.05 # [23:30:09] need to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done 08.41.10 # * amiconn knows all target's display resolutions out of his head 08.41.28 # The Archos lcd is the narrowest, hence you'll want a recorder sim 08.41.38 # (Ondio has no quickscreen due to lack of buttons) 08.42.19 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.42.50 # 4 items fits fine in the h100 remote lcd which is nice... but not if the user font is enabled 08.44.06 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-143-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.44.59 # Oh, btw: the quick method of operating the quickscreen won't work with 4 items on recorders 08.45.37 # There is a reason why the quickscreen only offers 3 options 08.45.53 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 08.45.54 # well... im doing it so the user can choose which settings to show.. so if they dont want the top option they dont have to enable it 08.45.55 # The 'Up' button is in the same button group as the F1...F3 buttons 08.46.12 # Shouldn't the number of options be target-dependent then? 08.46.20 # ...hence it cannot be detected at the same time one of the F buttons is pressed 08.46.44 # the default setup will be the same as svn 08.46.51 # But since there is also display flip, that effect even applies with 3 items 08.47.29 # Maybe we don't need to limit the number of options because of this, but the effect should be mentioned in the manual (or quickmode dropped altogether) 08.47.51 # There's also the problem that 4 options wouldn't work e.g. with my 'Car' font 08.48.29 # ... so in your car config dont have all 4 options? 08.48.57 # 3 options would fit with the viewport-enabled quickscreen... in svn even that doesn't work 08.49.24 # The svn quickscreen switches to the sysfont if userfont doesn't fit, but if the options also need to scroll, that breaks 08.49.58 # And imo it shouldn't switch to the sysfont... that's bad for non-latin languages 08.51.25 # That reminds me.... I wonder whether we should make the sim simulate the target's button constraints 08.51.50 # (printing a debug message if someone presses a combo that's impossible on target) 08.51.52 # 4 items _just_ fits with sysfont on the rec 08.52.10 Join SaadSaeed [0] (n=Saad_Sae@202.38.48.136) 08.52.18 # Yes, sure 08.52.38 # They also fit with my 'Earphone' and 'Hifi' font (rockfont-8) 08.52.47 # Hello fellow rockboxers 08.52.56 # not exactly nice... but if there isnt enough lines we could do "shuffle: on" and scroll that instead of splitting it 08.53.13 # Is USB charge possible on JBR ? 08.53.24 # no 08.54.10 # So this is not related to JBR? 2007-11-23 New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows. 08.54.13 # JdGordon: Yeah, that would be an idea... should even work for 4 items 08.54.57 # The thing is, my adopter blew up and am unable to charge my brick 08.55.21 # SaadSaeed: You can remove the batteries and charge with an external charger. 08.55.27 # SaadSaeed: the USB stack only applies to PortalPlayer targets 08.55.30 # I dunno how nice it would be to use though... 08.56.31 # amiconn: Why would scrolling with the system font not work? 08.56.45 # Ah, with SVN... 08.56.57 # GodEater, Ok i'll consider charging with external adopter. But do you know if there is a fuse inside the JBR? I think mine may have blown up from the inside too. (just the charing part) the unit works but its low on battery,. 08.57.29 # SaadSaeed: no idea - sorry 08.58.28 # SaadSaeed: I haven't looked at them, but these may help - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareSchematics 08.58.41 # linuxstb: The svn quickscreen sets the sysfont, prints the text, and resets the font. So as soon as the text starts scrolling, the scrolling text switches to the user font and creates an ugly overlay effect 08.59.45 # * SaadSaeed looking 09.00.20 # SaadSaeed: If the JBR doesn't charge, the charging circuit inside might be blown. Iirc there should be some documentation in the wiki regarding what circuit you need and how to change it 09.00.47 # And no, JBR can't charge from USB, physically 09.01.08 # thx folks 09.01.12 # JBFM and JBRV2 can, albeit only very slowly 09.01.27 # nah mine is the old JBR20 09.01.39 # ive modded it to become 80gb 09.01.51 # and the trusty thing has lasted me very long 09.02.11 # an overcurrent in our house blew up many things 09.02.39 # the adapter went away for sure, and im thinking the charging mechanism inside the jbr may also have been compromised 09.02.41 Quit cool_walking_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.04.37 # * amiconn also has an 80GB-modded JBR among his collection 09.04.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.05.18 # It's actually one of my mainly used targets 09.05.21 # sadly, my 160GB JBR died (at least the hard drive did) =/ 09.05.43 # * SaadSaeed <3 Rockbox and wants JBR to live 09.06.39 # scorche its an afternoon tweak to re-add a new drive to it, should be fun project to relive. 09.07.15 # wow, that really sucks 09.07.29 # especially since 160GB drives are somewhat pricey 09.08.15 # yep.. scrolling the two side items does not work too well... 09.08.16 # are they? 09.08.38 # SaadSaeed: 1.8" ones are - not 2.5" 09.08.59 # i thought since 500gb ones for laptops were introduced recently the price of regular ones should have gone down 09.08.59 # well, i got this one when they first came out at around...400 ish? 09.09.06 # ouch 09.09.24 # wait.. does the JBR use 2.5? 09.09.29 # yes 09.09.37 # oh, didn't know that 09.09.45 # must be some brick then 09.09.47 # :) 09.09.52 # lol 09.10.03 # Unfortunately, 160GB is still the largest you can get - all larger 2.5" HDDs are SATA, unfortunately 09.11.01 # unfortunate, indeed :) 09.11.44 # Horschti: Yes, compared to newer targets, it is a brick, but it still has better sound quality than many of the newer targets, it's reliable, and you can easily replace the battery for little money 09.11.49 # what do u guys recommend for a next upgrade though from a modded 80Gb JBR? 09.11.53 # It uses 4 NiMH AA cells 09.12.07 # damn... Cells rule 09.12.11 # * SaadSaeed shhh dont let my JBR know 09.12.23 # but Cells are heavy 09.12.48 # my old flash based player ran 12h with a single AAA rechargable cell 09.12.51 # the HDD itself is not that heavy its those 4 AA cells (the bigger ones) that add gravity 09.13.56 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.14.39 # add...gravity... 09.14.54 # funny expression 09.15.00 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 09.15.31 # but yeh it does. B) 09.15.51 Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.18.36 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.19.06 # Hello LinusN 09.19.27 # hey ho 09.19.31 # welcome to Rockbox how can we help you? 09.19.32 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.19.46 # ;) 09.19.54 # LinusN: Jeff happen to respond yet? 09.20.04 # nope 09.20.06 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de) 09.20.24 # * scorche snaps 09.21.03 # * scorche considers not re-using that expression for that purpose...too ambiguous... 09.21.09 # * hcs crackles 09.21.39 # * ze slops 09.21.43 # er, woops! sorry 09.22.31 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 09.24.11 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.25.09 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.25.49 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.28.27 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 09.36.42 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967F92.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.41.10 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 09.50.20 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.03.36 Join qweru [0] (n=kvirc@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk) 10.11.28 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.163.44) 10.12.30 Quit Axio_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.18.37 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.18.43 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.23.06 Quit JdGordon|zzz ("Konversation terminated!") 10.23.36 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 10.32.59 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.33.09 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0D12D.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.53.44 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.02.14 Quit TMM (Connection timed out) 11.04.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.21 Quit MattAndrew (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.11.53 Join xushi [0] (n=xushi@unaffiliated/xushi) 11.14.56 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 11.23.54 Quit xushi (Connection reset by peer) 11.26.46 Quit gtkspert_ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 11.28.08 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.31.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet14.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.32.32 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.32.55 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet14.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.37.04 Part SaadSaeed 11.52.34 Join austrian_webgues [0] (n=507951dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3b9e04c4308fc3e2) 12.03.28 Quit austrian_webgues ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.15.24 Join broom [0] (n=c27f0814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8a4cea1ca933ed5) 12.18.18 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 12.20.50 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.22.18 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.23.37 # Hello. Just wanted to let the developers know. Yesterday, I performed an svn update and built a simulator for H120 (under Windows, using cygwin). And then had a crash in the slidig puzzle plugin after pressing 'play' (aka F8) 12.24.30 # ouch 12.25.17 # it's known http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080131#08:04:08 12.27.02 # Ah, ok then. 12.28.59 # it tries to switch to album art mode. It should use a cover.bmp matching to the song you're playing, if there is none or if you don't play music > problem, which is a crash in the sim, I didn't notice on target unless you enable said "catch mem accesses" on coldfire targets 12.30.13 # I don't use album art (no AA in the WPS) and the music wasn't playing as I started the plugin. 12.30.53 # So everything is as expected, I assume. 12.31.57 # pixelma. BTW: what is 'album art mode'? The picture of the album art is used in the puzzle? 12.32.18 # yes, a new addition to it 12.32.33 # Hua, cool! 12.37.56 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.39.17 Quit broom ("CGI:IRC") 12.49.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.49.49 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.59.46 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de) 13.00.44 # LinusN: The bug is actually in the core's album art code 13.00.56 # oh 13.00.56 # It uses pointers which might be NULL without checking 13.01.00 # i see 13.02.39 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 13.03.16 # amiconn: you have an iriver lcd remote, right? Can you check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15242.0 - it works fine for me but two users claim otherwise 13.04.41 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180070034.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.04.47 # hmpf 13.04.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.03 # I can't install Rockbox on my new Sansa e280 ... 13.05.20 # rbutilqt says it does not find a Sansa 13.05.30 # * LinusN dropped his x5 and smashed the joystick :-( 13.05.56 # tessarakt: you sure it is not a v2? 13.06.24 # luckily i found out which model it is, and will order a new one before it goes out of stock 13.06.42 # the manufacturer stopped producing them 13.07.26 # pixelma: i'm not sure 13.07.31 # how can I find out? 13.07.59 # safest method is to check the original firmware's version (somewhere in their "system" menu IIRC 13.08.01 # damn company ... 13.08.01 # ) 13.08.05 # k 13.08.12 # I specifically asked them to check that 13.08.20 # petur: Not now, but maybe tonight. Do you have ticking reduction enabled? 13.09.18 # Settings->Info 13.09.24 # V03.01.11F 13.10.19 # unfortunately that's a v2, the firmware version of v1 players are starting with 01.xx.xx 13.10.22 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.10.36 # gnaa 13.10.38 # idiots! 13.11.19 # why do I ask them if it's a v2, if they don't bother? 13.11.25 # gnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 13.11.52 # damn damn damn damn 13.12.47 # ok 13.12.58 # it says "model: e280v2" on the back 13.13.34 # args 13.13.43 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 13.13.49 # the port for v2 is quite difficult I suppose? 13.14.19 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 13.14.54 # is v2 just different or are they deliberately trying to block alternate firmware? 13.15.02 # it is different 13.15.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200v2 13.18.53 # what damn kind of producz policy is that? 13.18.57 # there's also a forum thread in the new ports section about the v2 players 13.19.04 # naming totally different devices identically ... 13.21.42 # tessarakt: basically the same as apple is/was doing with the ipods 13.21.56 # Apple is different 13.22.09 # with Apple you know they want to sell proprietary crap 13.24.37 # amiconn: yes, that is on. I assume that is default because I never touched that. 13.28.25 Nick ch4os__ is now known as ch4os_ (n=ch4os@g132.brzezno.univ.gda.pl) 13.33.08 # damn 13.33.13 # those idiots 13.33.42 Quit Mouser_X ("Ping timeout?!") 13.33.46 Part pondlife 13.33.49 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]") 13.35.17 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 13.36.11 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.36.29 Join Imaginativeone [0] (n=Imaginat@c-69-251-71-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 13.37.17 # petur: I think it's off by default 13.37.39 # * petur checks his config 13.38.06 # and the USB connection does not seem to be very stable ... 13.40.59 # amiconn: you're right, it is off by default.. will also check this tonight ;) 13.42.49 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 13.43.50 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.45.49 # I hope you have success with v2 ... 13.46.02 # and I now have a player that does not even support Ogg 13.46.04 # hmpf 13.49.06 # I didn't think there was anyone actually working on the v2 port ? 13.49.26 # I mean, info on the platform has been gathered, but no-one is writing any code are they ? 13.50.11 Quit Imaginativeone () 13.51.00 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.51.00 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 13.51.36 # damn 13.52.48 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.52.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 13.56.22 # " Firmware File Format - We have not yet figured out this firmware format, you can help!" 13.56.31 # that is something SanDisk should do 13.56.47 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 13.57.29 # Why would you expect them to do that? No manufacturer ever has (afaik). 13.58.01 # not for MP3 player, that might be true 13.58.18 # look at WRT54G(L?) routers ... 13.58.41 # Linksys has published sourcecode and toolchain ... 13.58.46 # they run a Linux kernel though - which means Linksys is required to make it open 13.59.02 # AFAIK the sansas don't run any sort of open source kernel 13.59.20 # GodEater: That doesn't always follow... 13.59.30 # what doesn't ? 13.59.47 Join B4gder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 13.59.52 # That a Linux kernel means that manufacturers make things open. 13.59.53 # * GodEater disregards certain chinese based manufacturers that have no respect for the GPL 14.00.22 # * petur points GodEater to TiVo 14.00.24 # That's why GPLv3 exists... 14.00.45 # I don't believe I mentioned running an altered firmware 14.00.51 # it also requires the copyright owner to bother 14.00.52 # well, someone should sue those Chinese manufacturers 14.00.53 # I was talking about the sourcecode and toolchain 14.01.03 # We were talking about the firmware file format. 14.01.08 # and if China does not enforce copyright, go to the government 14.01.11 # -> trade war 14.01.15 # i.e. how to generate firmware images to run on the device. 14.01.30 # we were speaking of slightly different things then I guess 14.01.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.01.47 # I assume the format could be released (if it were required to be so) without the keys required to make it runnable 14.01.52 # http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9720 14.02.07 # sorry, wrong thread 14.02.19 # http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9721 14.02.46 # oh lovely, another unofficial installer 14.03.09 # great... 14.03.38 # * GodEater makes a mental note to avoid the sandisk install forum for a few more weeks 14.03.39 # * B4gder is on crutches after yesterday's Floorball... 14.03.41 # rbutil sitll doesn't work perfect? 14.03.50 # preglow: hasn't for me 14.03.54 # GodEater: Even worse, this disclaimer - "Any issues with rockbox should be taken to www.rockbox.org and discussed in through their forum channels. Please don't expect SanDisk or the Admins/Mods of this forum to assist with anything Rockbox related."... 14.04.08 # fresh installs of it always produce "invalid configuration" messages 14.04.25 # linuxstb: I feel the need to post a rejoinder :) 14.04.26 # ok, bye 14.04.28 # and thanks 14.04.37 # "please don't expect us to help with this unofficial installer. Signed: Rockbox" 14.05.04 # GodEater: oh, yeah, i've had that too, but it goes away when i configure it 14.05.10 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 14.05.15 # preglow: I couldn't make it go away :( 14.05.19 # it didn't matter what I did 14.05.40 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.06.04 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9628ef94f2bd982e) 14.07.07 # Morning, everyone! 14.08.55 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.09.15 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Client Quit) 14.09.38 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-266c37f9b3c2995a) 14.09.52 # interesting, I can't even get it to build now 14.10.09 # qmake doesn't appear to do much, and "make" complains there's no rule to make rbspeex 14.17.06 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet16.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.17.51 Part LinusN 14.22.28 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-132-142-206.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 14.24.58 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.25.59 # B4gder: did you break anything? 14.27.34 # nothing is broken, although there might be a fracture 14.28.04 # did some x-rays already but I haven't gotten the verdict yet 14.29.06 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 14.29.07 # * petur had never heard of floorball before 14.29.21 # it's very big in Sweden 14.29.27 # petur: 'zaalvoetbal' maybe? 14.29.32 # I've never heard of it either 14.29.37 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball 14.29.37 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B163A76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.29.37 # markun: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball 14.29.42 # lol 14.29.50 # hehe 14.34.23 # oh Bagder you had an accident? 14.34.52 # exercise is dangerous 14.35.00 # indeed! 14.35.40 # hope that you get well soon, walking on crutches isn't fun :( 14.36.06 # XavierGr: it means more time behind the pc ;) 14.37.09 # petur: haha indeed, well then maybe we have to see more rockbox work from Bagder until he gets better ;P 14.37.40 # I was supposed to begin getting my son used to the child care today 14.37.59 # it's really hard to "handle" a 16 month old guy on crutches 14.38.32 # only takes one good hit :p 14.38.39 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 14.40.47 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 14.41.07 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3121.gwdg.de) 14.43.32 # similar to Bandy, but without the ice, and smaller teams... 14.43.32 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 14.43.46 # yeps 14.43.54 # and a lighter ball 14.44.01 # and more dangerous 14.44.08 # :) 14.44.09 # It's commonly called "indoors bandy" in swedish too 14.44.14 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.45.46 # could someone please check that they can build rbutilqt ok? My copy of the svn tree for it is broken it seems (two missing targets in the make file)... 14.46.13 # n1s: hence the title of the swedish wikipedia article :) 14.46.46 # yep :) 14.48.38 # thanks for fixing my messup in the c200 platform file btw 14.50.32 # np 14.50.50 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.204) 14.58.49 # GodEater: Obvious question, but do you have a copy of apps/ and tools/ in your rbutil tree? It's not self-contained any more. 14.59.42 # I've got apps/ tools/ rbutil/ all in the same directory... 15.00.11 # Then that's my list of things to check exhausted. 15.01.39 # are we using qt4, or qt3 ? 15.02.04 # I'm pretty sure it's 4 15.02.27 # my Makefile has this reference in it : Makefile: rbutilqt.pro /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf 15.02.49 Join conando [0] (n=john@dslb-084-060-143-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.02.55 # Do you have a qmake-qt4? 15.03.33 # I've just updated to current svn, run "qmake-qt4" and make seems to be working nicely. 15.03.43 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 15.03.47 # (in Linux) 15.04.12 # changing that line to reference qt4 seems to have fixed things 15.04.15 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967F92.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.04.32 # out of interest what version does qmake-qt4 return for you (when run with -v) ? 15.04.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.04.54 # QMake version 2.01a 15.04.54 # Using Qt version 4.3.3 in /usr/lib 15.05.10 # that's what qmake (no qmake-qt4 on my system) returns too 15.05.18 # wonder how that reference to qt3 got in there then 15.07.53 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7A7E.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.09.10 Quit midgey () 15.09.50 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.22.28 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.25.06 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say moo") 15.36.42 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 15.45.45 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 15.45.58 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23D494.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.46.11 # morning all :-) 15.46.56 # is there any nice api call to determine the maximal width a character of the user font can have? 15.47.11 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955DFD1.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.50.02 # is rb->lcd_getstringsize("M", &width, NULL); asuming M has the maximal width the only solution? 15.54.08 # I hope there is a better way. Let me take a look. 15.54.52 # the font struct has a ->maxwidth 15.54.55 # isnt there the ->maxwidth variable in the font struct for that purpose? 15.55.09 # ;) 15.55.32 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 15.56.48 # aha.. thank you :-) 15.57.14 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 16.00.20 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A7A7E.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.00.28 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 16.01.28 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.03.16 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.03.45 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.04.20 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16.12.05 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.12.11 # Can someone give me a hint how I can set the backlight brightness in a plugin to the highest value? 16.13.37 # add it to apps/plugin.[ch] 16.14.19 # making a flashlight plugin? ;) 16.14.24 # yea 16.14.43 Quit Arathis2 (Remote closed the connection) 16.14.44 # the power of the sun, in the palm of my hand 16.14.51 # on the gigabeat and e200 we could also have flashing button lights :) 16.15.03 # there's one on the tracker, but it doesn't seem to set the brightness higher 16.15.29 # kugel: you'll have to add a function to the plugin api 16.15.35 # I tend to use my e200 as a flashlight, I really want such a plugin 16.15.48 # oh, I hoped there's allready such one 16.15.54 # better make it two: one to set and one to revert to config value 16.16.06 # more fun with a 5.5G iPod... it's backlight is insanely bright :-D 16.16.14 # it's not much work, check apps/plugin.c 16.16.23 # *its 16.17.08 # forgive my stupidity, but how do i access the font struct in a plugin? 16.18.06 # rb->font_get(FONT_UI) ? 16.18.19 # (returns a pointer to the font struct IIUC) 16.19.45 # thanks. how is the name of the struct? just "font"? 16.20.09 # See firmware/export/font.h 16.20.22 # (and firmware/font.c for the implementation) 16.22.42 # ah ok. so the answer is yes ;-) 16.23.37 # Yes ;) 16.27.07 # So I just add backlight_set_brightness to apps/plugin.[ch] and it will work? I looked at firmware/export/backlight.h and there's allready a function backlight_set_brightness (I guess I need that) 16.29.24 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 16.31.57 # * DerPapst sucessfully wrote a crashyourdap.rock plugin :-D 16.32.43 # * petur throws some fish at DerPapst... 16.33.04 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@p5B046D3D.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.34.24 # :-P 16.36.04 # petur: You don't need special functions; just export the brightness setting function 16.36.20 # struct global_settings is exported already 16.36.40 # right 16.37.53 # Flashlight just needs to clear the backdrop, set background to white (on non-mono), and set backlight to always on, and maximum brightness (when the target supports setting brighntess) 16.39.09 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.20.163) 16.39.39 # amiconn: The flashlight plugin on the tracker allready does the first three things 16.39.47 # just the maximum brightness isn't included 16.40.50 # * petur admits using his h380 as flashlight from time to time, but just using the browser (another reason not to use cabbie :) ) 16.41.15 # amiconn: Do you know how I can easily set it to the maximum value without knowing the values for all targets? 16.41.24 # i.e. backlight_set_brightness(MAX); 16.42.08 # kugel: maybe check the config-*.h if they set a maximum brightness define? 16.42.20 # This is just me guessing, of course. 16.46.00 # k 16.46.57 # kugel: I also have to look up stuff all the time. I'm sure you'll be able to find your way in the rockbox source tree soon. 16.47.15 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.26 # ye, I've looked in config-e200.h and there's "MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING" 16.47.29 # #define MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING 32 16.47.31 # :-) 16.47.39 # meh.. too slow :-( 16.47.45 Join DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 16.48.06 # markun: the c200 has also button lights and in contrast to the e200 you can even switch the "center" LEDs individually from the "menu" LED ;) 16.48.13 # kugel: I changed the Gigabeat MAX brightness just a few days ago, so hardcoding would be a bad idea anyway. 16.48.32 # pixelma: nice :) 16.48.37 # markun: sure, that's why I searched for ;) 16.48.49 # although I never use the buttonlights on the gigabeat myself 16.49.57 # Let's see, if my implementation works 16.50.19 # Aren't the devs interested in a flashlight plugin? Could be very usefull in svn 16.52.39 # kugel: I'm not a dev, but I would be interested in a flashlight plugin. 16.56.23 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.56.38 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.56.40 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.104.238.112) 16.57.05 # well, undefined instruction on the target :/ 16.57.29 # yet another crashyourdap.rock plugin :-D 16.57.39 # :D 16.58.08 # I didn't even start the plugin 16.58.15 # oh 16.58.15 # right after boot it crashed 16.58.34 # wow qt takes ages to compile 16.59.11 # good that I have a dual core cpu, else my pc was paralized since about 1.5 hours 16.59.38 # heh... 17.00.01 # kugel: you put the functions on the same spot in the struct in the plugin.c and .h files? 17.00.17 Join karashata [0] (n=Kimi@bas3-kitchener06-1096649533.dsl.bell.ca) 17.00.18 # yes 17.00.26 # happens to me every time i compile rockbox.. but luckily only for a few minutes :-P 17.01.15 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.04.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.05.24 # great it works 17.05.52 # not sure why I had the undefined instruction, probably due to missing space at extracting rockbox.zip 17.16.20 # wtf 17.16.27 # the tracker won't let me add a comment 17.16.33 # omg 17.17.26 # ok, logging out and in helped 17.17.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8285 17.18.50 # /* welcome to the example rockbox plugin */ <-- umm yes.... 17.19.56 # This is not from me, I just added the stuff to set the brightness to the previous version 17.20.18 # the © is wrong too 17.20.43 # "$Id: helloworld.c 12807 2007-03-16 21:56:08Z amiconn $" hehe 17.21.03 # I guess it could need some clean-up 17.21.54 # indeed ;-) 17.24.15 Quit PaulJam (".") 17.24.28 # shouldn't the SOURCES entry be guarded by HAVE_BACKLIGHT? Wouldn't make sense and won't build properly for the normal Ondio builds otherwise... 17.24.58 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.24.59 # indeed 17.25.26 # didn't think about that. Again, I added very little stuff to the previous version 17.26.05 # you're the last who added someting there, so you earn all the blame :-P 17.26.31 # =( 17.26.41 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.27.04 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp73-74.njit.edu) 17.27.42 # http://pastebin.ca/891385 <-- better? 17.28.16 # real names are required.... 17.28.36 # A friend of mine is asking how to find out what generation of ipod nano she has 17.28.39 # change $Id: flashlight.c 16213 2008-02-04 17:22:08Z $ to $ld$ 17.28.42 # I don't have ipod so I wouldn't know 17.29.03 # J3TC-: apple's website provides a handy guide 17.29.10 # J3TC-: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 17.29.12 # Ok, thanks 17.29.28 # Ah even better ;d Thanks thanks 17.29.29 # http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 17.34.23 # pixelma: apps/plugins/CATEGORIES doesn't need to be guarded? 17.34.38 # kugel: no 17.35.36 # it even contains plugins that aren't enabled in SOURCES. the perl script only processes the entry if there is a compiled rock :-) 17.35.49 # k 17.36.23 # kugel: You should also read the comments in plugin.h about how to add new functions to the plugin API (search for PLUGIN_API_VERSION and read forward) 17.39.24 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 17.39.45 # Oh 17.40.49 # So that the plugin doesn't crash (but doesn't even start) the player if it's started with an older version of the plugin api? I.e. I switch to an older version of rockbox, and the plugin.rock is still there remaining from the newer version? 17.42.06 # yes. i guess you have to bump the minor version to 100 17.42.11 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-28-93.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.42.43 # meaning PLUGIN_API_VERSION 17.43.10 # So I bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION to 100, but not PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION since I didn't remove a function? 17.43.30 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 17.45.34 # seems like you didn't add the new stuff to the end of the struct so i guess you have to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to 100 as well. but i'm not sure 17.45.54 # New functions should *always* be added to the end 17.46.25 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.46.33 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 17.46.37 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.46.46 # amiconn: Yes, I did that now. But I'm not sure if I need to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to 100 too :/ 17.47.01 # Only if an incompatible change is *necessary*, the functions waiting at the end shall be sorted into their respective group, and the minimum version bumped 17.47.04 # But I think yes, since I added stuff, and not only changed existing fuctions 17.47.18 # nope 17.47.42 # The whole point of adding new functions at the end is to not have to bump the minimum version 17.47.55 # ok 17.48.05 Join MattAndrew [0] (n=mzandrew@cpe-67-49-176-228.hawaii.res.rr.com) 17.49.12 # So, I add the function at the end, do not increase PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION and add a comment, that this function should be moved up on the next necessary bump of PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION 17.49.44 # There should already be a comment in plugin.h up to where the functions are sorted 17.49.56 # New functions should be added below that comment 17.50.20 # Seems we have a lot of "new" functions now... 17.50.53 # Hmm, but the api version and min version don't differ much 17.51.21 # someone added a load all in one go ? 17.51.24 # Seems like a dev made the api incompatible and forgot to do his homework... 17.51.57 # svn blame is staring at jhMikeS... 17.52.12 # poor jhMikeS... 17.57.02 # Is this one ok now? http://pastebin.ca/891421 17.58.47 # * DerPapst votes for yes 17.59.38 # * pixelma mentions petur's "real name" comment again 18.00.38 # You mean I should add the real name in the head of flashlight.c? I just looked into other existing plugins, there wasn't the real name written 18.00.45 # No problem though 18.01.22 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp73-74.njit.edu) 18.01.30 # if you insert a copyright, it should not be a nickname 18.01.40 # (imho) 18.01.53 # huh? 18.02.07 # petur: I agree 18.02.12 # kugel: I only saw real names in the copyright line when I checked a few right now 18.02.33 # kugel: I guess you're confusing the SVN username included in the $id$ line ? 18.03.18 # probably 18.03.46 # ah.. and change $ld$ to $Id$ heh.. i was confusinf the small l with the capital I 18.03.55 # *confusing 18.04.10 # http://pastebin.ca/891431 ? 18.04.27 Join ackbahr [0] (n=jean@104-150.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch) 18.04.31 # Well, I definitely learned my lesson today 18.04.56 # heh 18.05.13 # "no more rockbox coding"? 18.05.17 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.17 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@dhcp73-74.njit.edu) 18.05.28 # * linuxstb wonders if people will want a flashlight plugin in SVN 18.05.48 # Because it's great! I often use my e200 as a flash light 18.05.53 # * petur thinks there are plugins that are far more useless 18.05.58 # Also, it doesn't hurt, since it's only a plugin 18.06.12 # * DerPapst would probably use it if he's to lazy to switch light on 18.06.32 # linuxstb: just look at the amount of flashlight programs that exist for windows mobile devices 18.06.34 # Or, if it's too dark to spot the light switcher 18.06.52 # Flashlight will be fun on M3.... 18.06.52 # kugel: option to add: color chooser 18.07.00 Part J3TC- 18.07.02 # petur: I wouldn't know... 18.07.03 # heh 18.07.04 Join Christo1 [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-220-253.ph.ph.cox.net) 18.07.06 # I wouldn't use it myself 18.07.08 # I guess we need remote support as well then? ;) 18.07.16 # lol 18.07.21 # If the remote isn't plugged, there will be no backlight of course. But it could also switch on all status LEDs 18.07.36 # petur: what? 18.07.51 # to select a red light (night vision) 18.09.01 # linuxstb: The M3 remote will be handled as the main lcd in rockbox 18.09.22 # Otherwise there would be too many special cases (e.g. many plugins don't use the multi screen api) 18.09.53 # Sounds sensible. 18.10.24 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet21.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 18.10.28 # petur: Isn't night vision green? Anyway, I assume you're kidding 18.10.43 # no I'm not 18.11.09 # and one normally uses red to not screw up your night vision 18.12.01 # but because you first have to operate your player to start the plugin, I guess it would be somewhat useless 18.12.50 # Well, I'm not sure if I get what you're telling me. 18.13.48 # if you use red light, you're not left with that 'all black' feeling when you switch the light off again 18.13.57 # kugel: red light is easier on eyes that have adjusted to the dark, green light is pretty harsh in those cases 18.14.13 # so you can continue seeing things in the dark after using it 18.14.15 # and you can develop film while picking new music to play 18.14.23 # Oh, didn't know that 18.15.01 # would be perfect fos swapping CF crads in the dark, keeps all the images safe :p 18.15.08 # *for 18.15.15 # *cards 18.15.16 # hahahaha 18.15.42 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DA27.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.16.03 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.151.83) 18.16.47 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.16.50 # petur: But why a color picker then? I expect the plugin to be working on the first click, so I assume defaulting to red wold be better 18.17.16 # maybe scroll through colours? 18.17.49 # there is already a colorpicker for the core which could be reused 18.18.11 # if you have two colour players set one to green and the other to red and use them as position lights? ;) 18.18.17 # I don't really want the color to be picked :/ Either red or white. 18.18.21 # not touching the scroll related buttons -> white; stzarting to scroll from bright red to yellow green blue... and stuff 18.18.42 # DerPapst: This sounds more like a disco plugin :) 18.18.42 # * linuxstb senses feature creep ;) 18.19.24 # make it have a strobe mode! 18.19.33 # hehe 18.19.37 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.20.00 Part toffe82 18.20.47 # yay 18.20.58 # * DerPapst chrashed his sim again :-D 18.22.12 # lol, just noticed the plugin isn't working with a backdrop :/ 18.22.37 # doesn't clear it? 18.22.59 Quit Christop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.11 # well, my scite window just dissapeared 18.26.36 # Shouldn't "rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL);" remove the backdrop? 18.27.26 # you might have to call rb->lcd_clear_display(); 18.34.20 Quit ackbahr (Remote closed the connection) 18.35.57 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 18.40.05 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@86.72.189.142) 18.40.25 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 18.43.20 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-68-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 18.44.23 # No, doesn't work 18.44.53 # then draw a huge rectangle :-P 18.47.27 # rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); maybe? 18.47.27 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.49.03 # You need (mostly in that order): rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL); rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); rb->lcd_clear_display(); rb->lcd_update(); 18.49.17 # amiconn: Yes, the lcd_update was missing 18.49.24 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.49.26 # Of course, the first 2 only apply if LCD_DEPTH > 1 18.50.28 # though, on the sim it's black 18.51.04 # did you do rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); ? 18.51.27 # Yes, of course 18.51.41 # hmm... no idea then... 18.53.53 # ah, on the target it's white 18.55.19 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-07552f36b61073cb) 18.55.57 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.55.58 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 18.56.19 # * DerPapst hates UI stuff 18.56.40 Quit idnar (Connection timed out) 18.56.54 # it's tedious enough already for a single target.... 18.58.20 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.02.30 # Finally 19.02.56 # already added the strobe mode and the color stuff? 19.02.59 # :-P 19.03.09 # no 19.03.16 # I don't see a need for that stuff 19.03.25 # feel free to add it 19.03.29 # 19.03.32 # -.- 19.03.45 Join p3tur [0] (n=petur@d54C2B243.access.telenet.be) 19.04.17 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (n=petur@d54C2B243.access.telenet.be) 19.04.35 # I thought about doing it redish, but then I wondered why normal flashlights don't have red light (and there was no LCD_RED) 19.04.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.05.13 # *cough*LCD_RGBPACK(255,0,0)*cough* 19.05.15 # :-P 19.05.32 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 19.05.35 # Starting red, then moving to full power at the press of a button would be nice 19.06.20 # I don't really think that red is good 19.07.10 # IMO the flashlight should give maximum brightness, which is not given using red, is it? 19.07.35 # red is useful when night viewing starmaps and such :) 19.08.15 Join Borg^Queen [0] (n=arklinux@pool-138-89-189-37.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 19.08.18 # sweet 19.08.33 # dude 19.08.53 # Hi people, quick question, I have a sansa e280, will rockbox work on that (I dont' think its a V2)? 19.08.58 # awesome 19.09.18 # Borg^Queen: if it isn't a v2 then rockbox will work just fine 19.09.25 # kugel: well, do you want a redflashlight.rock? 19.09.37 # n1s: thanks 19.09.44 # rasher: I'm fine with white 19.09.52 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 19.09.55 # kugel: But red is very useful 19.09.56 # just have a color setting 19.09.57 # Oh ah 19.10.13 # jhMikeS: I don't see anyone needing anything but red and "bright"? 19.10.21 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.10.33 # wtf happened 19.10.43 # -:- Signoff kugel: #rockbox (Remote closed the connection) 19.10.57 # weird 19.10.59 # thanks people I'll let you know how it goes... 19.11.00 # rasher: that's all I'm thinking as well since those are actually used commonly 19.11.30 # I didn't do anything. My firefox (including chatzilla) suddenly dissapeared 19.11.45 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.12.07 # heh... /me has that too from time to time ^^ 19.12.11 # but by the time you've navigated to the plugin your night vision is already messed up :) 19.12.14 Part Borg^Queen ("Konversation terminated!") 19.12.32 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C0F9.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.12.41 # jhMikeS: That is true... anyway, it could simply switch from white to red on all buttonpresses unless it's the quit button 19.12.56 # not if you set the backlight brightness to low before :-P 19.14.08 # Feel free to add it. I have the patch uploaded allready, and I'm not going to add red, since I'm not interested in having red at all 19.14.32 # ok, so we will not commit it :p 19.14.53 # * jhMikeS was just finding a way to rationalize red 19.15.37 # petur: Whatever. It doesn't like it's going to be committed anyway. 19.15.41 Join Aevum [0] (i=Aevum@39.42.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) 19.16.04 # it will, but it will do red ;) 19.16.10 # i was wondering 19.16.24 # You could add a comment that you want to have red, I'm certain you wil find someone will make the job 19.16.27 # if the toshiba gigabit F is supported, why arent the kenwood daps supported ? 19.16.33 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3159.gwdg.de) 19.16.40 # arent they based on the same plataform ? 19.16.45 # just another 10 lines.. if at all :-P 19.17.08 # DerPapst: Go ahead. 19.17.47 # maybe... but not today ;-) 19.18.04 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 19.18.10 # i'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier to just create a folder named "flashligt" and put various config files in it, that clear the backdrop, set a colour and the brightness. 19.19.29 # The problem is, if we add red to the flashlight, we'd have to bother with keymaps again. 19.19.49 # ok 19.19.56 # ill take the no response as we dont know, thank you 19.20.01 Part Aevum ("Going!") 19.20.08 # kugel: Huh? Just have an "exit" button, and all other buttons switch colours 19.20.42 # I'd rather have one switches the color, and all others exit 19.20.59 # probably a good job for PLA this time 19.21.13 # Why was that Aevum guy so impatient? 19.21.46 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.21.51 Join Aevum [0] (i=Aevum@39.42.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) 19.22.13 # i was not impatient, but i usualy dont start bothering people who do not wish to answer me 19.22.51 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.22.52 # maybe no one of the ones reading the channel currently knows the answer? 19.22.58 # exactly 19.23.22 # im not going to start spaming my question just incase someone didnt read it, im gonna come later and ask again 19.23.37 # I think you're both on the same page but don't realise it.. 19.23.40 # or wait until someone replies 19.23.41 # Aevum: The kenwood daps aren't supported because nobody who owns one has done any of the remaining work. 19.23.49 # that is probably the best way 19.23.51 # ok, thank you 19.24.11 # Aevum: If you own one, feel free to pitch in, it's never going to happen until someone who owns one does the work, as with any port. 19.24.21 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 19.24.28 # im not a coder 19.24.43 # i do know kenwood released the source for the kernel as part of the GPL 19.25.39 Join snipex1 [0] (n=mtl@cu-nat-2.clemson.edu) 19.25.45 # Aevum: Best thing to do now is to go hunt it down. 19.26.18 Join Soap_Work [0] (n=42c07542@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88c20eec6fa9cc95) 19.26.29 # And find a forum or location with fans of the player, and find out if they know about Rockbox, and the potential it can add. One way or another, you're going to need an interested developer who owns the player, and the best place to recruit one is from "among people who already have the player" 19.26.42 # Buschel: I'm going to get out of work early today - will have new v14 builds up in a few hours from now. 19.26.51 # Will also build all the 4G test patches. 19.27.01 # Plus, if you have any good information about the device already, start a wiki page on the Rockbox site for it. 19.27.57 Join mewshi [0] (n=mewshi@edinboro.63-160-38-99.cust.stargate.net) 19.28.00 # hi :) 19.28.35 Quit spr0k3t_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.29.20 # Aevum: Here's a link on the wiki that mentions the Kenwood DAPs: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Pre_Development_Ports 19.29.50 Join spr0k3t_ [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-171-220.kc.res.rr.com) 19.30.43 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 19.31.11 # i wonder if i can shove the gigabeat F kernel in it 19.31.24 # Aevum: Not likely. 19.31.42 # There may be hardware in the Kenwood DAPs that isn't in the Gigabeat. 19.31.45 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-007.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.32.01 # yea 19.32.19 # Mew? 19.32.22 # So what you should do is start a wiki page for the Kenwood DAPs, and take Llorean's advice and look for forums dedicated to them. 19.34.10 Quit Soap_Work ("CGI:IRC") 19.34.12 # Ahh, looks like we've got a link to the source for the Kenwood DAPs already: http://www.kenwood.com/gpl/english/hd20ga7_hd30ga9.html 19.34.45 # How much variance is expected between multiple charges ? I'm doing some battery tests on my c250 (for Buschel's patch and WPS impact), and I'd like to know what kind of error is possible on the measurements 19.35.39 # well, the battery lengh fallows a normal curve 19.35.54 # a new battery will take X charges to peak, and then start to drop 19.36.03 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 19.36.06 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.36.12 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.36.18 # gevaerts: It depends how often the 'disk' in the c200 spins up 19.36.26 # all in inverted commas 19.36.31 # aswell, with lithium batteries the indicator tends to get to get decalibrated, so every 4-6 months its recomnended you cycle the batteries 19.36.41 # isnt the C200 a sandisk flash player ? 19.36.47 # On hard drive targets, battery_bench only saves the readings when the disk is spun anyway 19.36.54 # Aevum: yes, hence the inverted commas 19.37.04 # Yes, and on c200/e200 battery_bench doesn't work properly 19.37.23 # gevaerts: So the maximum you could lose on a hard drive target in the buffer length 19.37.30 # amiconn: I'm using the patch that's circulating somewhere 19.37.42 # With svn it doesn't write the log at all, and with the hackapatch in the tracker, it logs too often 19.37.43 # amiconn: I thought it didn't, hence all my talk of on hard disk targets :) 19.37.46 # aka "the hack" 19.40.15 Part kugel ("Benutzer ist abwesend.") 19.40.58 # gevaerts: if you do multiple measurements at least the 90-10% runtime should be nearly identical. a full battery bench might suffer from not fully loaded battery and the last entry not being written due to forbidden HDD-access (caused by low voltage) 19.41.29 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.42.42 # Buschel: I'll do something like that. I really want to find out if the wps runtime impact is as big I seem to see. 19.42.57 # Hi there :3 19.44.31 # mewshi: do you expect all people in the channel to reply now? ;) And if you have a specific question... do as the guidelines say and just ask? 19.45.03 # no, i just wanna hang out here ^_^' 19.45.48 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.45.53 # .... 19.46.39 # LambdaCalculus37, Aevum: the Kenwoods firmware upgrade unfortunately works differently from the Gigabeat one, so we first have to figure that out. 19.46.53 # ha, ok, thank you 19.46.56 # Aevum: do you own one? 19.47.06 # 20gb media ket 19.47.10 # keg 19.47.18 # markun: I figured. :) Just because the CPU is the same doesn't mean the whole device is the same. 19.47.30 # i dont use it anymore for several reasons 19.47.34 # Aevum: Did you register on the wiki? 19.47.35 # Aevum: will you be here in a few minutes? (phone) 19.47.36 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.47.41 # yes 19.47.43 # no 19.47.54 # ill be here, but i havent registed on the wiki 19.48.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration 19.49.02 # Now's the best time to start posting up any info that you have about the Kenwood players to the wiki. 19.57.09 # If I compare the runtime on soap's device_disable build for v16179 with and without WPS, I get a difference of nearly 3 hours (16 hours vs 13 hours). 19.57.48 # gevearts: what WPS do you use? 19.58.01 # just courious... does something like LCD_HSVPACK() exist? 19.58.12 # Buschel: the default one 19.58.20 # DerPapst: What should that do?? 19.58.44 # gevaerts: Cabbie? or the old one with peak meter? 19.58.53 # convert an hsv value to the internal rgb format? dunno 19.58.55 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.59.10 # Buschel: The old one. The peak meter probably plays a part here 19.59.54 # Buschel: the all text one is still the default... 20.00.12 # gevaerts: definately. soaps measurements showed a big impact when peakmeter is displayed -- when choosing a WPS without peakmeter the runtime degradation isn't that large 20.00.44 # pixelma: ah, ok. I thought it was already changed 20.02.01 # DerPapst: LCD_RGBPACK() mainly exists because of the different internal pixel formats. However, HSV->RGB conversion is (1) not pixelformat dependant, so the programmer can convert beforehand and use LCD_RGBPACK(). (2) HSV->RGB depends on what you convert, so such a macro cannot exist in a generic form 20.02.31 # (I'm thinking about YUV mostly) 20.02.35 # ok 20.03.31 # Buschel: So it probably makes sense not to update the WPS when the backlight is off on devices where the screen is not readable without 20.03.59 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.04.06 Join btmax [0] (n=50bb1849@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-98e6af7ec1d4b468) 20.04.26 Quit btmax (Client Quit) 20.04.51 Quit karashata (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it") 20.05.23 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-626e59dfd1ca3546) 20.06.40 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.08.22 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.35 Join Sammy_ [0] (n=home@A-119-237.cust.iol.ie) 20.08.39 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 20.09.10 Nick snipex1 is now known as snipexv (n=mtl@cu-nat-2.clemson.edu) 20.09.32 # hi there - just a quick question - I have a 5th generation Ipod video and I was wondering if rockbox can play video??? 20.09.43 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.09.45 Part snipexv ("Leaving.") 20.10.10 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.10.10 # yes. but not as good as the applefirmware and only mpeg1 and 2 20.10.16 Quit TMM (Connection reset by peer) 20.10.27 # it can, but on those devices, you will be better off playing video through the original firmware 20.10.39 # so no avi, divx etc 20.10.45 # avi sint a format 20.10.53 # well, it isnt a video format 20.10.54 # .avi 20.10.58 # it's a container 20.11.12 # meaning it can contain any number of different video types 20.11.22 Join austrian_webgues [0] (n=507951b0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7004e0997b2198be) 20.11.23 # for e.g. divx, xvid, bla, blubb 20.11.36 # s/for// 20.11.40 # pitty 20.11.54 Join daurn [0] (i=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 20.12.12 # wud be handy not to have to convert video 20.12.14 # not really...you typically need to re-encode for a portable device anyway, so why not change to mpeg 2 while you are at it? 20.12.19 # Sammy_: Why? They are harder to decode and you need to re-encode to the correct screen size anyway 20.12.30 # scorche|w wins 20.12.45 # well the zen videos play most 20.12.46 # as i said, you would ahve to anyway....good luck trying to play a 1080p video on your ipod :) 20.12.52 # without converting 20.12.53 # Sammy_: So 20.12.53 # I'm not so sure anymore that mpeg4 is harder to decode than mpeg2. Given that many mobile support mpeg4 only... 20.13.09 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.13.14 # it is harder to decode than mpeg2 20.13.17 # Sammy_: Do you just copy straight on, or do you have to use a management program? 20.13.18 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.13.19 # not hard its a pain in the ass 20.13.26 # * BigBambi bets it is converted as you sync 20.13.27 # not necessarily by much, but it always is 20.13.36 # Sammy_: and how do you get teh video on there?...typically the software converts it without making it apparent to the user that it is formatting 20.13.45 # amiconn: don't be surprised if that mobile support is hardware accelerated... 20.13.46 # * scorche|w is slow today =/ 20.14.06 # no zen can have it just dropped in 20.14.08 # scorche|w: 1:1 :) 20.14.15 # no conversion 20.14.19 # Aevum: I have an UPDATE.DAT file from the Kenwood firmware update, but have not been able to decrypt it 20.14.20 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.14.28 # Are there any firmware files on the HDD of the player? 20.14.37 Join scorche` [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.14.52 # vlc player on rockbox wud be excellent 20.15.00 # Sammy_: Not going to happen 20.15.17 # Also, Kenwood is very proud of the special 'digital amplifier' used in these players. I don't know if those have a DAC integrated, but I haven't been able to find any more info on them. 20.15.22 # The iPod for instance has dual 80 MHz CPUs 20.15.27 # and how would you propose doing that? 20.15.35 # let me check 20.15.35 # Maybe you could take some pictures of the motherboard so wel can find out more about it? 20.15.50 # Sammy_: Try resizing a video on the fly with that whilst decoding a demanding format 20.15.53 # Sammy_: this sint your desktop computer...this is an embedded device.. 20.16.13 # Sammy_: Try being reasonable, and understanding the capabilities of the devices 20.16.26 # there were some pictures posted on head-fi 20.16.49 # i know but thats what id like from an ipod shud be so easy - wasters in apple and microsoft - fools 20.16.54 # Aevum: on the Gigabeats there is a GBSYSTEM folder. It's hidden and marked as system, so you have to change some settings in explorer (if you use windows) to see it. 20.17.03 # * BigBambi gives up 20.17.09 # Sammy_: eh?...that doesnt make any sense... 20.17.12 # theres a KWSYSTEM folder, hidden 20.17.16 # it does 20.17.26 # No, it doesn't 20.17.32 # theres a FW subdirectory 20.17.33 # Try to express it differently 20.17.36 # make a player that plays most formats deal done 20.17.45 # simple 20.17.53 # Aevum: could you zip that folder and host it somewhere for me? Attach it in the forum for example 20.17.55 # So if it is so simple, why isn't it done 20.18.02 # you would need to vastly increase the power in such devices which would increase the price by a few hundred dollars... 20.18.02 # I'll give you a clue - price 20.18.07 # * GodEater_ wants a Mr. Fusion. Also simple. Not. 20.18.12 # cus they want to sell u crap from their store 20.18.16 # No, price 20.18.16 # BigBambi: i see me as winning that one? =) 20.18.20 # as .mp4 20.18.25 # scorche`: 2:1 20.18.29 Quit scorche` (Client Quit) 20.18.44 # Sammy_: With video, it simply doesn't make sense to support playing resolutions larger than the lcd. And since that means you have to convert anyway, it also doesn't make sense to support many formats 20.18.51 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.18.57 # That's *very* different from audio format support 20.18.58 # markun, ok 20.19.05 # scorche|w: You can only win if you stay on-line :) 20.19.07 # it does really cus ipods ave a tv out function 20.19.12 # which i use 20.19.16 # Aevum: or maybe DCC it 20.19.18 # Sammy_: Could you try using English? 20.19.27 # markun, give me a sec 20.19.33 # Sammy_: And try to make some sense when you speak. 20.19.47 # poor sammy 20.19.48 # dry ur eyes 20.19.51 # TV out doesn't work in rockbox (and neither in ipl afaik) 20.19.56 # TV out doesn't work in Rockbox. 20.20.05 # are you twins ;) 20.20.08 # There's an echo in here ;) 20.20.30 # i never said it did 20.20.35 # tv out will work on gigabeat s, i hope 20.20.42 # i was talking about ipods in general 20.20.55 # Sammy_: well, this is #rockbox...anything else is offtopic 20.21.04 # In that case most ipods don't have tv out 20.21.19 # not really considering it would be usefull on it 20.21.27 # thats all im saying# 20.21.28 # wonder what tv out has to do with different resolutions and video codecs :-S 20.21.29 # Sammy_: Feel free to implement it 20.21.50 # Someone with enough interest in TV out would need to make it work. And that most probably means he'd also have to figure out how to use the broadcom chip for video decoding 20.22.07 # DerPapst: the TV-out of the Gigabeat S supports much higher resolutions than the 240x320 of the LCD 20.22.07 # DerPapst: Well, TV out supports more than 320x240 20.22.12 # derpapst was making two main points you fool 20.22.13 # echo.. 20.22.27 # amiconn: Without any documentation, that may not happen any time soon. 20.22.29 # Sammy_: play nice... 20.22.33 # Sammy_: If you are not going to be polite, leave 20.22.34 # scorche|w: am I the fool? 20.22.44 # markun, im going to DCC the file to you 20.22.44 # eh, that was for Sammy_ :) 20.22.48 # Aevum: thanks 20.22.54 # suuure :) 20.22.58 # LambdaCalculus37: Depends. There's also no documentation for the PP chips, and given that rockbox already runs fairly well 20.23.20 # Sammy_: If you've got problems with the Rockbox devs, feel free to leave this channel. 20.23.51 # It will require some really low-level work though (disassembling the main OF, and perhaps even watching it run using JTAG - if that's possible on the G5) 20.24.05 # markun, have you accepted the file ? 20.24.13 # markun: so on the iPod (640x480 iirc) however you have to reencode the videos for the OF either... 20.24.24 # Where is this discussion leading to anyway? The CPUs aren't fast enough, so even Sammy co 20.24.32 # *uln't make it work 20.24.36 # dont have a prob. was just making a valid point until i received a few idiotic responses 20.24.56 # austrian_webgues: He could in the iPod video if he figured out how to use the Broadcom chip 20.24.57 # seems people dont want to discuss new ideas 20.24.59 # those responses were rational and your point was not valid... 20.25.07 # this is our channel though... so by definition they couldnt be idiotic responses 20.25.10 # indeed 20.25.14 # Sammy_: These ideas aren't new at all 20.25.16 # Sammy_: New ideas that are do-able, sure 20.25.28 # Not ones that come up all the time and are not feasible 20.25.32 # you know what i meant 20.25.34 # They were discussed a dozen timnes, at least 20.25.41 # Sammy_: Not really 20.25.42 # Sammy_: one cant just magically wish the ipods to have a more powerful processor 20.25.45 # This idea has been rejected before, for exactly the same reasons 20.25.47 # then ur an ass 20.25.51 # Check the channel logs if you want to find out 20.25.52 # Sammy_: Oi! 20.25.55 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|w " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 20.25.56 Mode "#rockbox +b %*!*home@A-119-237.cust.iol.ie " by scorche|w (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.26.01 # bye... 20.26.06 # aaww 20.26.18 # you cna be muted for 10 min while you have a chance to look over the guidelines 20.26.28 Quit Sammy_ (Client Quit) 20.26.36 # finally -.- 20.26.40 # * scorche|w had the ban line on the clipboard :) 20.26.48 # hehe 20.26.51 # bluebrother: Hi, can you tell my why I can't compile rbutil? I followed the steps in the wiki 20.27.00 # Aevum: see your PM.. 20.27.14 # * amiconn wonders whether iol is the irish twin of aol :/ 20.27.19 # kugel: on windows? 20.27.19 # Hooray for the brave work of scorche|w! :) 20.27.29 # amiconn: haha :) 20.27.36 # bluebrother: No, linux (ubuntu 7.10) 20.27.37 # hehehe 20.27.47 # bluebrother: GodEater also reported problems... 20.27.49 # I have qt version 4.3.3 installed 20.28.19 # and you're sure you're running qt4 qmake I guess? 20.28.23 # kugel: maybe you have the same problem like GodEater a couple of hours ago? 20.28.37 # (must be in today's logs somwhen in afternoon) 20.28.45 # Do you have build-essential 20.28.47 # ? 20.28.48 # mom, phone 20.29.15 # Can any one of you help me with a coding problem? It's quite strange, I've already opened a thread in the "coding" forum and attached my source code. 20.29.38 # DerPapst: What do you mean? Can't find recent IRC logs where GodEater speaks 20.29.53 # Essentially I cannot call a function that is declared inside of plugin.h although I've included plugin.h... 20.30.10 # oops 20.31.31 # No, it's not the same issue 20.32.05 # I had the "no rule to make rbspeex" before I updated to qt 4.3.3 properly 20.32.10 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 20.32.41 # * bluebrother back 20.33.46 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 20.33.46 # bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/891589 20.33.55 # kugel: I had to fix a line in the Makefile that had been changed to somethinf referring to qt3 specific after I upgrade my version of qmake 20.34.08 # austrian_webgues: You *must not* call any core functions directly. You have to use the plugin api 20.34.38 # kugel: You're lacking the usb.h 20.34.47 # probably from libusb-dev not being installed 20.34.55 # kugel: do you have libusb (and the dev package) installed? 20.34.58 # GodEater_: beat me ;-) 20.35.07 # \o/ 20.35.34 # I don't think so 20.35.55 # well, you need it. 20.36.02 # amiconn: What do you mean? 20.36.08 # which one do I need? libusb0 or libusb-0.1.4 20.36.41 # that could've been mentioned in the wiki imo 20.37.15 # amiconn: The plugin api does not allow me to load another plugin, which is what I need to do. 20.37.34 # You simply cannot do that 20.37.48 # * bluebrother is just adding this to the wiki page 20.38.08 # Is there any way I can start another plugin AFTER my plugin has ended? 20.38.24 # So only one plugin is running? 20.38.26 # libusb-0.1.4 20.38.29 # and libusb-dev 20.38.35 # Not atm. It could be added, but that function would need to reside in the core 20.38.45 # GodEater_: thanks, libusb0 didn't work anyway :) 20.38.50 # :) 20.39.16 # It could actually be rather simple. There could be one function (or simply a char array) in the plugin api that takes the name of the new plugin to run 20.39.30 # hmm there're many warnings about unused parameters 20.39.41 # I know ... 20.39.47 # Then a special return value of the old plugin would tell the core that the new plugin should be loaded 20.39.52 # ok, it compiled now 20.41.21 Mode "#rockbox -b %*!*home@A-119-237.cust.iol.ie " by scorche|w (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.41.28 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|w " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 20.41.35 # Since my knowledge of rockbox is very limited, I don't want to change the "core" of it. 20.41.48 # I only want to display some text... 20.42.14 # why do you need two pluygins running? 20.42.16 # can't you do that in the same plugin then? 20.42.50 # I'd have to implement scrolling etc. 20.42.59 # why? 20.43.07 # GodEater_: just checked the logs for your rbutil issue. You're sure you used Qt4's qmake? 20.43.21 # My plugin extracts the lyrics from a mp3 file and displays them. 20.43.25 # hmm, the archieved version is actually newer than the current build. Is that normalß 20.43.27 # ? 20.43.31 # Happened to me a couple of times I used the wrong version. 20.44.07 # kugel: that's because no code commits were made yesterday, or today so far 20.44.30 # But, shouldn 20.44.36 # austrian_webgues: are you doing it with timestamps? you could easily use the list widget to show the text once its loaded from the file 20.44.37 # Since it has to display more lines than the screen can show, it has to be scrollable... 20.44.46 # But shouldn't the current build at least as new as the archieved build? 20.44.52 # if not, even newer? 20.44.53 # or rather that the daily is built regardless of amount of commits 20.44.56 # seen as lines are fairly narrow in songs that shuold work fine 20.44.57 # @jdgordon: how? 20.45.15 # I've never worked with lists 20.45.24 # kugel: if the archived is newer they will be the same code 20.45.24 # this is my first rockbox project! 20.45.27 # they are simple... look at the text editor plugin 20.45.39 # n1s: ok 20.45.43 # * scorche|w seems to remember a certain other rockbox project.. 20.45.59 # austrian_webgues: do you also know of the 2 patches in the tracker related to viewing lyrics? 20.46.10 # apparently there are 2 austrian coders? 20.46.25 # I'm not the "famous" austian_coder 20.46.26 # it is possible.. 20.46.36 # ah...i assumed :) 20.47.02 # I know of the 2 patches in the tracker - but one that displays the unsynced lyrics does not work. 20.47.40 # The extracting of the lyrics itself works perfectly, but I can't display them! 20.48.33 # bluebrother: I *was* using qt3's qmake 20.48.44 # I upgraded it, and removed whatever junk it had left in the Makefile 20.48.47 # and now rbutil builds 20.48.51 # problem solved 20.49.48 # yay.. a colour fader :-D 20.50.10 # using ugly floats... but well.... 20.50.25 # soap: next time you update the "devices disables" forum entry you can prune it. I've got all the information saved. 20.50.57 # GodEater_: on my system I need to run qmake-qt4. After that it simply works 20.51.18 # I don't think I have any such binary 20.51.25 # qmake -v returns the correct version now 20.51.52 # Buschel: did you read my question? 20.52.38 # kugel: I answered it about an hour before, you didn't receive it? -> go for the latest v14 20.53.04 # Buschel: Oh sorry, my chat client crashed few times today 20.54.57 # * amiconn reminds kugel that there are channel logs 20.55.17 # amiconn: I asked him in a private chat 20.55.25 # ah 20.57.57 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@s1.pyhrn-priel.tv) 21.00.39 # Crashing clients are nasty... fortunately my currently used (for years) client never crashed so far 21.03.42 # Buschel: you are not identified and unless kugel allows messages from unregistered users he won't be able to read your answers in a PM 21.05.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.14 # pixelma: Could also be the reason ;) 21.05.19 Join joshn_ [0] (n=joshn@wsip-70-167-45-122.ks.ks.cox.net) 21.05.59 # Buschel, cool, just got home 21.07.43 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@e176239009.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.10.40 Quit austrian_webgues ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.23.28 Part gevaerts 21.26.13 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.26.47 Quit DogBoy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.18 # Buschel, I was going to continue to use the older SVN version due to the (unknown cause of) battery issues with latest SVN. 21.32.35 # how much are the chances i will still get a sansa v1? i ordered it today on amazon... 21.33.21 Join DogBoy [0] (n=john@66-101-59-100-static.dsl.oplink.net) 21.35.10 # if it's a v2 however, i'd like to help out with testing and such, since i'd really love to see rockbox on it :) 21.38.51 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.39.15 # i doubt the chances are very high.... 21.39.58 # knittl: Did you buy it new? 21.40.01 # verdammt >.< 21.40.10 # LambdaCalculus37: yep... 21.40.24 # Then you're most likely going to get a v2. 21.40.39 # shame... 21.41.54 # Yes, quite. Rockbox may not be working on the v2 Sansas for quite some time. 21.42.09 # oh no, theres a sansa v2? bah 21.42.36 # Ave: Yes, and they have a totally different chipset inside compared to the v1 Sansas. 21.42.55 # So the v2 models are out of the Rockbox loop. 21.43.50 # yea yea, as with ipod nano 21.43.54 # sadness ensues 21.44.08 # feels like I'm SOL when my nano 1st gne dies 21.45.08 # well count on me with helping out, whenever possible 21.45.20 # Ave: eBay? 21.45.21 # Unlike nano, I'd say 21.45.40 # The nano is heavily protected with fully encrypted firmware etc 21.45.41 # old ipod with dead battery aint too funny 21.46.00 # No, I mean go onto eBay to get another player. 21.46.01 # mine is suffering from battery old age more than anything else, suppose its possible to change it yourself tho 21.46.05 # new? 21.46.06 # is there any rockbox target that is still in production? 21.46.26 # also I wouldnt mind more memory 21.46.31 # I'm afraid not. 21.46.49 # The v2 Sansas have a fairly high chance of getting rockbox ported to it - provided someone steps forward and starts porting 21.47.03 # s/it/them/ 21.47.03 # the e200v1 was the last one then... 21.47.04 # Amiconn: Ditto the Views. 21.47.35 Quit TMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.47.35 # * amiconn would be more interested in the Sansa clip (?) or the c200 v2 than the view or e200 v2 21.47.56 # The view and the e200 are simply too big for a flash player 21.48.33 # I think the e200's only problem is its too fat 21.49.10 # * DerPapst likes the e200 21.49.23 Quit GodEater_ ("Don't follow me") 21.49.35 # * DerPapst doesn't follow GodEater_ 21.49.40 # amiconn: I read good things about the clip 21.50.40 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 21.50.46 # Hmm, the clip has no card slot. So the express might be more interesting 21.51.35 # The clip's wheel is another con 21.54.06 # * amiconn wonders whether the express also uses the ams chip 21.56.54 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.57.14 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.58.23 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.59.53 # someone said the clip has to little RAM for rockbox 22.00.12 # well, i'm off for tonight 22.00.17 # cu soon 22.00.22 # yeah its only got 512kib or something doesnt it? 22.01.06 # amiconn: I can't remember how I found it out, but I think the Express has a STMP3600 - http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/0005.shtml 22.01.18 # petur: The peakmeter does indeed have problems on the remote 22.01.27 # I even have a suspicion why.... 22.02.23 # which is? 22.02.58 # The peakmeter is simply not prepared for multi-screen 22.03.13 # its not? 22.03.17 # There is a reason why the default rwps has no peakmeter 22.04.16 # Hmm, looks like it is... 22.04.18 Quit Siku () 22.05.25 Quit Axio_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.05.47 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 22.07.02 Join zoopla [0] (n=zoopla@ANancy-157-1-73-176.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.07.30 # In the recording screen, it looks like the remote peakmeter is updating, but much slower than the main one. After some time it stops updating completely 22.07.42 # That is *without* ticking reduction enabled, on H180 22.08.56 Quit joshn_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.09.22 # Also happens on H340 22.10.01 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 22.10.02 # how long is 'some time'? 22.10.24 # On H340 it's even worse: as soon as the main lcd backlight goes off, the remote peakmeter stops updating 22.10.34 # Not sure, only observed that once 22.11.09 # Could just have been extreme clipping in conjunction with the slow update (I'm testing with the internal mic, making some funny noises ;) ) 22.11.55 # Same on X5 as well (without the H300 effect) 22.13.19 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 22.14.48 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 22.15.01 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.15.21 Quit Toki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.37 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.15.40 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-248-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.15.50 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-248-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.16.02 Quit zoopla ("Quitte") 22.16.59 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 22.17.12 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.19.10 # for creating ipod builds, I do not need sh-elf-gcc, correct? 22.19.25 # correct 22.19.29 # just the arm-* one 22.19.35 # nice, thank you 22.21.00 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.21.03 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-248-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.21.09 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-248-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.21.26 # Bagder: Do you know if anyone has tested installing modified firmwares on any of the V2 models? (e.g. changing some strings) 22.21.44 # there have been some tests 22.21.51 Quit n1s () 22.22.06 # the first was a bit silly since the (first) checksum only covers the start of the file 22.22.18 # and the modified strings were outside of that 22.22.33 # but since then we've learned more about the firmware format 22.22.48 # linuxstb: Bah. But maybe there's an Express v2 as well, given that the Sansa website mentions audible support.... 22.23.03 # soap: it would be interesting to give the actual svn at least a chance. there has been a fix (rev 16197) by jhMikeS which may help with the high battery consumption of 5G 60/80GB. someone should test it. 22.23.03 Part kugel ("Benutzer ist abwesend.") 22.23.06 # Afaik, the STMP3600 is pretty limited and only does mp3 and wma 22.23.20 # Buschel, will make that then as well. 22.23.42 # soap: great. maybe you or horscht could give it a try? 22.24.07 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.24.08 # i cannot see any influence on my ipod... 22.24.10 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-229-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.24.14 # amiconn: It should be quite capable - "ARM926EJ-S CPU with dual caches, embedded SRAM..." - http://www.sigmatel.com/products/portable/audio/stmp3600.aspx 22.24.15 # just finishing up the 15975 builds - took me a while to back-sync the patch. 22.24.20 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-229-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.24.21 # linuxstb: the main remaining obstacle on the v2s is the lack of a known recovery mode 22.24.29 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 22.24.43 # soap: will you prune the thread? 22.24.48 # Buschel, is it your understanding that only the 5th gen iPod was suffering? 22.24.54 # Hmm. Am I mixing up something? 22.24.57 Quit desowin () 22.25.01 # Oh yea - I will prune the thread to keep the focus. 22.25.07 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.25.13 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f01d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-22191887fe41b5a6) 22.25.20 # I will test the build, if soap compiles, Buschel :p 22.25.29 # amiconn: Possibly... Sigmatel have both DSP-based chips and ARM-based chips IIUC. 22.25.35 # I am still trying to create a build environment :) 22.25.38 # Horscht, working on it now - and working on the thread - will shout when it is done. 22.25.58 # soap: no, as far as i understood all multicore targets suffered. but from the measurements the 5G 60/80GB suffered the most. 22.26.12 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 22.26.16 # Ah, yes. It was the one used in the 1st Gen shuffle - the STMP3550, which is DSP 56K based 22.26.17 # Bagder; No kind of usb boot mode mentioned in the datasheet? 22.26.25 # linuxstb: nopes 22.26.57 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 22.27.13 # hmm, then we're going to have three tests to request of people. post 16197vs15975, your iPod 4th patches, and DDv14 vs stock. 22.27.22 # rasher: I am currently working on an update to the Hindi translation, but I would like to know how to make it so that the translation doesn't show up as translated when it is still in english? 22.28.14 # Like right now on the font translation page, it says that the Hindi translation is pretty much finished when it isn't. I am assuming that this is because the strings are in english? 22.29.13 # crzyboyster: which langueages do you actually speak? im curios 22.29.16 Join joshn_ [0] (n=joshn@ip68-102-228-19.ks.ok.cox.net) 22.29.18 # soap: wasn't the bug in svn that the HDD took very long time to buffer into RAM? if so, you could check in short time. 22.29.35 # Any ideas on how to work out how a firmware was encrypted? I have the crypt, the plain, and the win32 app that decrypts it... 22.29.44 # I speak Hindi, English and am learning Spanish 22.30.13 # k 22.30.13 # obo: if not hours of looking and testing works out, disassembly... 22.30.17 # And what do you mean by "actually"? Are you doubting my fluency? 22.30.40 # Buschel, then I will test that, and hold the 15xxx builds back unless they are found to be needed. 22.30.52 # crzyboyster: are you saying that the Hindi phrases are identical to the english ones? 22.31.10 # soap: could save some time on building and for the testers of course ;-) 22.31.52 # No. That was my first translation and I managed to leave the untranslated strings in English. Is there a way to define the nontranslated (or unable to be translated) strings as "undefined"? 22.32.10 # obo: you have the encryped + decrypted versions somewhere for us to have a look? 22.33.04 # Bagder: I don't have that much webspace - it's 35Mb ish... 22.33.49 # obo: What firmware is it? 22.33.59 # linuxstb: Sansa Connect 22.34.15 # What CPU is that ? 22.34.24 # Ti DM320 22.35.29 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 22.36.56 # obo: so how come you have an "unknown" win prog that decrypts it? 22.37.26 # Buschel, what needs testing, btw? 22.38.12 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.38.22 Join scorche` [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.38.23 # horscht: if actual svn still shows degraded runtime on the video ipods 22.38.39 # Bagder: it's the recovery util - it takes the crypt and sends it over USB to the DAP, in plain text 22.38.58 # ah, haha interesting solution... 22.39.24 # so, soap will build a recent svn with your latest patch, and I'll battery bench it again, to see wether or not it is far off the last results with 15xxx builds? 22.39.52 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche|w (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.40.16 # Bagder: I know it's not a simple XOR, and I don't think it's a trivial ROL/ROR either (he says with a page full of 0s and 1s) 22.40.26 # obo: I'm guessing you don't really need to identify the encryption method then? Just write your own usb upload tool instead? 22.40.42 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet02.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 22.41.27 # linuxstb: I need the file format that they've used - one of the recovery utils combines two input files somehow 22.41.33 # I guess soap will first check, if the actual svn still shows very long HDD-activity while buffering (this may caused the loss in runtime). 22.43.28 # linuxstb: one of the files that is sent is a plain .tar.gz - the other two are a linux kernel and initrd, in a custom file format 22.43.40 # horscht: you can also check a svn with 16103 < rev < 16197 against svn rev >= 16197 22.43.58 # horscht: via using the daily builds 22.44.16 Join Karti [0] (n=jim@90.209.118.176) 22.45.26 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 22.45.42 # Hi all, just a quick one.....if i have an Ipod, Rockbox will replace the OS on it and I will be able to play all sorts of variant ttune types from Ogg, mp3 etc 22.46.00 # well, I have a bench of 15975 and one of 16150 22.46.11 # but that's PCFv03 vs DDv13 22.46.20 # Bagder: palmtopia.de still seems to be misssing zip, the Recorder v2 is some revisions behind... 22.46.21 # Karti: depends on which ipod you have 22.46.34 # pixelma: ok, I'm disabling it 22.47.16 # Karti: on the frontpage you can see which ones we support: http://www.rockbox.org/ 22.47.37 # and here you can see what rockbox does: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 22.47.44 # 16150 I also benched unpatched 22.47.47 # markun: looking at buying one one of the Ipod Nano 22.48.21 # markun: So I would have to get one of teh first generation nanos 22.48.22 # so, benching >= 16197 unpatched should show wether or not svn still shows degrading 22.48.27 # horscht: as far as i understood the failure is the following: the HDD is active for about 1min to buffer the audio files into RAM -- this consumes a lot of power and should happen with 16103 < rev < 16197. With rev >= 16197 there should be checked, if this still happens. So, there may be no full bench neccessary. 22.48.36 # Karti: yes, that's the only one rockbox runs on 22.48.55 # and it's not likely that it will run on the the 2nd or 3rd gen anytime soon 22.49.34 # so, I would get a recent build, and load a playlist and check, how long the HD spins? 22.49.39 # Buschel 22.50.07 # horscht: yep, and compare this to an older svn <16197 22.50.28 # ok, that's something i can do right now 22.51.00 # markun: Many thanks....final question, can I return the ipod to its original apple state at any time? 22.51.06 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.51.42 # yes, you can always revert back and it's also possible to dual boot 22.52.23 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 22.52.38 # markun: thanks 22.54.07 # Bagder: I have an encryption puzzle: the Kenwood HD20GA7 firmware files 22.54.35 # interested? 22.55.00 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 22.55.19 # didn't I already look at that before? 22.55.28 # a hard nut afair 22.55.38 # I think only at the firmware update files 22.56.00 # obo: so which file pair is the encryped/decrypted for comparison? 22.56.01 # but now I have the firmware files themselves 22.58.04 # Bagder: assets.tar.gz and yeverest_zap_ota_rel_ext_prod_1.1.1.50371.tar.gz.e, sent via zaprecover.exe 22.59.20 # and for the rest, obo's files are now here => http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/connect/ 22.59.56 # Bagder: the everest_initrd and everest_vmlinux are sent via zsi_fw.exe - I'm hoping that the encryption is the same on both, but have no proof one way or the other 23.00.30 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-007.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 23.01.59 # I can't get logf to work. Do I need to do anything more than enabling it in the configure tool and using logf/logfdump in the debug menu ? 23.02.51 # gotta leave for real life now, see you tomorrow. 23.03.24 # horscht: just place your results here or in the forum thread, i'll check for it 23.03.31 Quit Buschel () 23.03.54 Join webguest43 [0] (n=97c4b6f0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f68f06be11e6737c) 23.04.04 Quit webguest43 (Client Quit) 23.04.35 Quit petur ("gonne") 23.05.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.06.44 Join Evilnick [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-215-64.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.07.41 Quit Evilnick (Remote closed the connection) 23.09.10 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 23.09.48 Nick parafin is now known as parafin|away (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.10.26 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.11.13 Quit Domonoky_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.16.40 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 23.16.53 # DerPapst: Nice work, but PLA would've shorten your work 23.17.20 # PLA? 23.17.31 # and thanks :-) 23.17.35 # plugin lib action 23.17.53 # it basically simplifies the buttom mapping 23.18.04 # heh.. i couldn't bother to figure out how it is useD :_P 23.18.18 # it's the more usefull the less buttons are used 23.18.49 # I don't get your algorithm though, which colors are acutally available now? 23.18.52 # infact, it took maybe 5 minutes to whipe those keydefinitions up. :-P 23.19.44 # only the bright ones a transition from red to orange, yellow, green, blue, pink and red again 23.19.44 # obo: an interesting observation: the byte distribution of the encrypted file is very evenly distributed, while it isn't as even with the original 23.20.16 # DerPapst: I think it's overkilled 23.20.26 # not that it helps much... 23.20.57 # I was hardly with red, but you did something insane there :O 23.21.08 # kugel: i'm using HSV to do that. so i only have to change the hue value and keep saturation and value at the maximum value... 23.21.18 # as i said... it can be optimized ;-) 23.21.40 # i think it's fun... :-P 23.21.58 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B163A76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.22.19 # and it was a good training for one of my exams next week anyways.. 23.22.21 # obo: interesting string in zaprecover: "SHA-256 part of OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005" 23.23.07 # Bagder: same string in zsi_fw 23.23.10 # not that sha256 is a crypto algorithm, but it would hint that it might be used somehow 23.23.17 # DerPapst: You put the rb->"lcd_update();" into the HAVE_LCD_COLOR 23.23.26 # it's a hash algo 23.24.04 # that means it won't work on non-color targets 23.24.43 # kugel: oops :-) 23.24.53 # there has to be one right below #else /* HAVE_LCD_COLOR */ 23.25.09 # also, your action definitions and switch construction doesn't look very well to me 23.25.32 # the only way it worked.... 23.26.03 # otherwise it'd quit without you wanting it to quit. 23.26.05 # why do you even define both FLASHLIGHT_NEXT and FLASHLIGHT_RIGHT vor scrollwheel targets? 23.26.33 # or i'd have to define a FLASHLIGHT_QUIT thingy... 23.26.40 # only 1 will do fine, you don't need to have both scrollwheel and left/right to do the same 23.27.00 # because i want to use the scroolwheel _and_ the left - right buttons 23.27.55 # whatever, but you still need to put rb->lcd_clear_display(); and rb->lcd_update outside of the HAVE_LCD_COLOR stuff 23.28.14 # DerPapst: To be honest, I think your patch lacks of simplicity :) 23.28.23 # some have to be in the do {} while loop 23.28.30 # hehe 23.28.44 # would like to see it running though :( I don't have time to compile atm 23.28.47 # for the colour transition to work.. 23.28.55 # heh 23.29.41 # i haven't added the plugin lib patches.. otherwise i could send you the rock... 23.30.45 # Nah 23.34.33 # wow, soap, you're fast :p 23.34.38 # nn 23.34.41 # I had them ready and waiting. 23.34.46 # kugel: fixed :-) 23.34.58 # * Bagder discovers http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/ 23.35.01 # thanks for the quantitative test, Horscht 23.35.16 # np, I try helping where I can 23.35.36 # anyways, as I said. nn. gotta go to bed. 23.36.28 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.160.207) 23.36.37 # DerPapst: Lol, why did you just put those lines before the #ifdef HAVE LCD_COLOR? :) 23.36.46 # Bagder; Nice ;) 23.36.51 # like this: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-2.6-audioplus.git;a=tree;f=sound/soc/imx;h=6ec3997d4a71000172a828f83e8fa0a496be4c59;hb=imx31 23.36.52 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 23.36.54 # ah i see 23.37.06 # not that we have a wm8350 (yet) 23.37.13 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 23.38.21 # kugel: heh :-) 23.39.04 Quit Aevum ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. 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