--- Log for 15.02.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 13 hours ago 00.02.20 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 00.04.42 # woot 00.05.15 # no more crashes :) 00.06.01 # * FrankOtto applauds petur 00.06.26 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.06.26 # now I still have to pinpoint the exact misbehaving thing... 00.06.26 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.06.42 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.06.56 # petur: what change did you make? 00.07.34 # for now I have set_features completely disabled, and also ata_sleep is gone 00.08.03 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.04 # testing goes much faster with a working bootloader ;) 00.09.57 # petur: you're trying with a 266x card, right? do you happen to know what speed you get in usb-mode? my 133x gives 11MB/s 00.09.57 # ata_perform_sleep is not ok... with it it freezes again 00.10.32 # it feels a bit slower than the HDD, but not much 00.10.46 # and I will not be needing dircache on this baby :) 00.11.05 # on nano you can actually tell the difference :/ 00.13.00 # * petur hopes there can be a way to run-time detect the CF hack so we won't need a special build 00.13.05 # Then something must be really wrong on Nano 00.13.43 # Bagder: is it on purpose that the downloadable html-manual is still missing? 00.13.44 # On Ondio, dir browsing is instant, even though the read speed is ~350KB/s maximum 00.14.36 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23F64E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.14.45 # good evening :-) 00.14.49 # Bagder: hmm, and the others are still as of yesterday 00.15.01 # amiconn: seems that when ata_perform_sleep is done the CF is really gone sleeping and not waking up (?). It feels like frozen but starts responding again after some time (empty dir of course) 00.15.10 # * DerPapst is looking for the source of this text input thingy but can't find it. 00.15.23 # anyone happens to know where it is? 00.15.30 # virtual keyboard? 00.15.33 # petur: Well, did you disable the soft reset? 00.15.34 # yes 00.15.54 # If so, the sleep will of course freeze the card, because soft reset is needed for wake up 00.15.56 Quit ender` (" If the experiment works, you must be using the wrong equipment. -- Patrick's Theorem") 00.16.02 Nick roxfan2 is now known as roxfan (n=dunno@156.170-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 00.16.03 # amiconn: where's that? 00.16.13 # perform_soft_reset 00.16.19 # * scorche|w wonders when logbot got opped 00.16.36 # amiconn: it is there 00.16.57 # amiconn: well, yes, i expect something _is_ wrong on nano 00.16.57 # Then your card doesn't play by the rules.... 00.17.17 # (unless the problem is ata timing) 00.17.41 # Try setting ata speed to pio0 and reprogram the correct speed after wakeup 00.18.05 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.18.21 # amiconn: never done stuff like that (ata timing), where is it? 00.18.27 # (i.e. what I mentioned a while ago) 00.18.41 # Some cf registers, see mcf5249 manual 00.18.52 # hmm.. found keyboard.h but not where the function lives declared in that prototype.... 00.19.06 # Currently, only set_cpu_frequency() changes those regs, adjusting them to the new clock 00.20.10 # DerPapst: apps/player/keyboard.c ? 00.20.35 # * amiconn thinks that DerPapst wants the version for bitmap displays... 00.20.42 # oh 00.20.55 # heh... yes :-) 00.21.03 # .../recorder/... ? 00.21.05 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.21.11 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.21.13 # ah 00.21.27 # didn't expect in recorder... 00.21.53 # wow... it's huge o.O 00.21.56 # historical stuff... 00.22.01 # thanks :-) 00.23.22 # * DerPapst wants to figure out how umlauts are handled there... 00.23.31 # amiconn: I'm gonne leave the ata timing switching for the weekend (or you) I think 00.25.25 # hmmm this will be something for target tree I suppose? or use #ifÅ› in ata.c? 00.25.55 # * petur gives his keyboard driver an angry look 00.26.10 # because if i define an array of char that contains somthing like "ÄÖÜäöüß" the userfont (even unifont) displays garbage (wired symbols or rectangles). 00.27.01 # and my source is UTF-8 without boom. 00.27.04 # *BOM 00.27.13 # heh 00.27.45 # * DerPapst got only 6hours of sleep the last 2 nights in total ;-) 00.28.13 # try adding some boom then? :) 00.28.31 # i noticed if i use the sysfont umlauts disply fine.. though the sysfont is kinda small on some targets 00.28.35 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.00 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.30.02 # and the vitual keyboard uses the sysfont too :-/ 00.31.42 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.32.02 # * DerPapst tries to figure out where the letters are actually drawn... keyboard.c is a maze... 00.32.28 # not necessarily, there must be some code to make http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts possible 00.34.39 # you mean because of the sysfont? 00.35.16 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.35.29 # AFAIK those layouts use the user font 00.35.44 # (never tried one myself so far though) 00.36.00 # aha.... thanks.. then i'll look a little harder ;-) 00.36.05 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.36.20 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.21 # at least i found where those layouts are loaded :-) 00.38.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.41.22 # yeah, whaen you use a custom keyboard the userfont is used 00.42.16 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.43.15 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 00.43.32 # yep... just found the place where it selects either sysfont or uifond depending on if kbd_loaded is true. 00.43.32 Quit FrankOtto ("Leaving") 00.43.44 # *uifont 00.44.35 # * DerPapst shouldn't type while being tired. This only leads to lots of typos. 00.47.23 Join RvX [0] (n=chatzill@pa2.romix.net.pl) 00.47.29 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-245-191.dsl.telepac.pt) 00.51.03 # hello. how do I include PATH for compilation? (Make your path include: /usr/local/arm-elf/bin) 00.52.31 # depends on the distro but usually in .bashrc or similar 00.54.35 Join Absinthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 00.55.13 Quit Absinthe (Client Quit) 00.55.17 Join Absinthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 00.55.48 Join Abs1nthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 00.56.04 Quit n1s () 00.57.36 # oh, isn't any other way, such as: ./configure --with-something=/PATH ? 00.57.50 Quit Abs1nthe (Client Quit) 00.57.51 Quit Absinthe (Client Quit) 00.57.58 Join Absinthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 00.58.38 Join saratoga11 [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89c5cb65ff5ee1e7) 00.59.20 Quit klaatu () 01.00.00 Join maraz [0] (i=maraz@xob.kapsi.fi) 01.05.12 # * DerPapst goes to sleep... doing too many stoopid mistakes. 01.05.19 # good night all :_) 01.05.26 # *:-) 01.05.33 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 01.07.00 # what do I have to put in .bashrc? I have to include this path: /usr/local/arm-elf/bin ... 01.11.25 # add "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to the end of the file. 01.12.49 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.13.53 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.14.22 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.14.32 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 01.16.59 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.32 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.36 # I created file named .bashrc in my ~/ but it stills doesn't work :( 01.26.14 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-38aec004c9c4bb18) 01.26.53 Part pixelma 01.27.49 # I got it. it should have been: export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH, not export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin 01.27.53 Part toffe82 01.28.20 Quit JdGordon|w (Client Quit) 01.30.32 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.31.09 Quit weezerle ("...und tschüss!") 01.36.39 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.50 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b004b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9277990f755d08e0) 01.55.12 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 01.55.58 Part niiko ("Leaving") 01.59.35 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.07.35 Quit RvX ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120413]") 02.09.37 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp77-186.njit.edu) 02.09.37 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.09.41 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@dhcp77-186.njit.edu) 02.10.47 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet04.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 02.11.22 Join dreeft [0] (n=dreeft@220.157.75.246) 02.11.36 Quit dft (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.53 Quit cg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.21 Quit saratoga11 ("CGI:IRC") 02.16.07 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.16.10 Join hachi [0] (i=hachi@shego.kuiki.net) 02.16.13 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.17.00 # is todays build of rockbox having problems with changing playing tracks? 02.17.14 # and when I say today, I mean... I downloaded it about 10 minutes ago 02.18.37 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b8c73ea0296d35f9) 02.19.55 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 02.26.17 Quit scorche|w ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.26.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 02.26.30 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4268.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.31.11 Quit Weiss ("leaving") 02.38.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.39.35 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.40.47 Quit dreeft (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.40.56 Join dreeft [0] (n=dreeft@220.157.75.246) 02.41.32 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 02.46.18 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.46.42 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp77-186.njit.edu) 02.46.42 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.46.50 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@dhcp77-186.njit.edu) 03.12.39 Join Thirtysixway [0] (n=Thirtysi@c-69-242-211-17.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.13.31 # Why doesn't rockbox work on 2nd gen ipod nano? 03.14.40 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 03.19.34 Join keanu [0] (n=none@unaffiliated/keanu) 03.21.58 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.23.21 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-1120k9e.dsl.mindspring.com) 03.24.45 # Thirtysixway: apple decided to encrypt their firmware and the hardware is completely different than the 1st gen 03.26.26 # Just as a heads up, I noticed that Gerritt Gonzales is in the credits twice 03.27.01 # oh, so I guess there isn't hope for it ever to be on the 2nd gen :\ 03.27.39 # it's definitely possible but it's a lot of work 03.28.50 # it's basically a completely new port and someone would have to discover a way to execute third-party code 03.29.00 # oh 03.29.26 # i don't think anyone is actively trying to break the encryption scheme 03.29.48 Quit Absinthe ("Leaving") 03.29.59 # if they are, we don't know about them 03.30.03 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.30.19 Join kb3llm [0] (n=kb3llm@unaffiliated/kb3llm) 03.30.30 Part kb3llm ("Leaving") 03.31.29 # hello all, I am trying to get the FS#7113 patch resynced but now the bootloader loads only half way and gets stuck can anyone help me out with this? 03.33.08 # I found some stuff about decrypting the firmware 03.33.09 # http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/17/135205 03.33.49 # thats the database checksum; it has nothing to do with the firmware encryption 03.34.10 # it's just another step that apple went to prevent people from not using itunes 03.34.20 # oh :s 03.35.24 # basically, cracking the checksum allowed people to use other programs to sync their ipods such as amarok 03.36.08 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.37.01 Quit BitTorment ("SEGFAULT: shit!") 03.38.22 Quit japc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.39.59 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.46.56 Quit keanu ("Leaving") 03.57.00 Quit jac0b ("Ex-Chat") 04.00.35 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 04.01.15 Join ajg983 [0] (n=20925442@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6757e917f3c6263) 04.02.26 # is there any information on if and when rockbox may/will be up and running for either cowon's d2 or iaudio7? 04.02.52 # how about the zune ;p 04.04.51 # ajg983: there have been basic work on both of those players, but we don't give out time frames 04.05.08 # ok. 04.05.11 # you're best bet is to read the threads on the New Ports section of the forums 04.06.04 # thanks. 04.06.08 Quit ajg983 (Client Quit) 04.06.32 # Thirtysixway: the zune is very similar to the Gigabeat S which is being worked on right now. Rockbox is able to boot and browse the disk and menus. however, the bug that allowed us to run code on the gigabeat is gone on the zune so a new way to run code needs to be found 04.07.09 # x; you're just full of information 04.07.41 # I don't have a zune, I've just thought about getting one after my ipod dies, and I didn't see anything on the forum about zune 04.08.50 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 04.17.39 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.19.04 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f0ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b53406d7c92c37d4) 04.19.44 Join niiko [0] (n=niiko@dyn216-8-133-110.ADSL.mnsi.net) 04.20.24 # Does anyone here use cpchan's sansampeg script to convert flv files for rockbox? 04.20.53 # no 04.20.59 # ok :\ 04.21.01 # try download.com for a flv converter 04.21.09 # niiko, questions on that would probably be best pointed at cpchan 04.21.37 # Yeah, I was really hoping I might find him/her here. *shrug* 04.21.54 # he's around sometimes, but you could just shoot him a PM on the forums. 04.21.55 # Sorry to bug you guys though 04.22.03 # or his email, assuming that's somewhere available 04.22.04 # niiko, he is in #AnythingButiPod right now 04.22.09 # :D 04.22.10 # I noticed an odd behavior in the plugin "bubbles", when you're at the start screen (one with all options listed) on an ipod nano, the level change goes DOWN when you rotate the clickwheel clockwise. This is pretty irregular with the rest of rockbox (clockwise=up) 04.22.13 # Thanks! 04.22.29 # nikko: You can use winFF just fine for this 04.23.26 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.23.27 # You can view youtube videos quite easily, just download the flv with the downloaders out there and then run throuhg winff 04.23.57 # I might end up trying that. A Linux solution would be ideal though 04.24.18 # IIRC, wiff is linux and windows... 04.24.36 # Oh! 04.24.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux :D 04.25.16 # You rockbox people are just FULL of surprises! 04.27.00 # niiko: I guess rockbox is pretty "cool"! And does anyone know what I was talking about with my bubbles thing? 04.27.17 # crzyboyster: that might have gotten screwed up during the scrollwheel button rename commit (r16045) 04.28.19 # No big deal anyways... 04.29.11 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 04.38.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.42.42 Nick daurnimator is now known as zz_daurnimator (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 04.42.44 Nick zz_daurnimator is now known as daurnimator (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 04.46.43 Nick daurnimator is now known as zz_daurnimator (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 04.46.49 Nick zz_daurnimator is now known as daurnimator (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 04.47.56 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.12 Nick daurnimator is now known as zz_daurnimator (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 04.48.28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4385.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.48.59 Nick zz_daurnimator is now known as daurnimator (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 04.50.10 Join drx656 [0] (n=20925442@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-27e55c2756a433a6) 04.51.46 # wanna get an answer to an opinion ?. I want to get a 16gb mp3 player and can't decide between a cowon iaudio7 or a creative zen. Which is more recommended and most ot all, what are the pros/cons and WHICH SOUNDS THE BEST? 04.51.54 Quit ch4os_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.52.04 # drx656, neither is a rockbox target, so your question is offtopic. 04.52.24 Quit csc` (Remote closed the connection) 04.53.37 # well then which one would be more rockbox friendly for a build release? 04.54.29 Quit Neovangl1st (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.55.19 # drx656, neither, as i don't believe custom code has been run on either. why not check out the BuyersGuide wiki page for currently supported targets? 04.56.13 Quit drx656 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.59.38 Part billytwowilly ("Konversation terminated!") 04.59.46 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.00.50 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.01.17 Quit cool_walking_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 05.03.46 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 05.11.13 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982149e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2b60714a1ea82d72) 05.33.58 Join xp|atinum [0] (n=xplatinu@modemcable239.59-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) 05.34.08 # Hi 05.34.46 # hi 05.35.34 # Is rockbox suppose to work with a freshly formatted ipod ? (without restore from itunes) 05.35.59 # when I boot it it asks me to restore first before using 05.36.10 # The iPod does? 05.36.16 # yes 05.36.23 # I'm not sure 05.36.27 # I used the Rockbox Install utility app 05.36.28 # might as well try it 05.37.00 # because I wanted my ipod to be 100% apple software free 05.37.14 # That's not possible at this point 05.37.25 # Rockbox needs the Apple bootloader 05.37.49 # ok so 1) install itunes 2) restore ipod 3) uninstall itunes 4) install rockbox 05.37.53 # Rockbox also doesn't have it's own UMS mode, so you need the OF to access the iPod from the computer. 05.38.22 # That's what I did. 05.38.43 # what do you use to manage your ipod ? ephpod ? yamipod ? 05.38.46 # Though there's a method to restore it without using iTunes on the Wiki. 05.39.01 # I just drag and drop 05.39.42 # it's great that it supports simple drag/drop AND usercreated subdirectories 05.40.30 # Yeah. I hate having to use special software to put stuff on MP3 player/phone/etc. 05.42.28 # how's the battery life with rockbox ? lasts longer ? 05.43.44 # Depends what model, but it's currently a little shorter on Videos. 05.44.04 # i have an ipod video 30gb 05.44.25 # I know it doesn't support it but is there a possibility for future xvid/divx playback ? 05.45.08 # I really have no idea (I'm just a user) but at this point I would say no. 05.45.24 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.0.2 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 05.46.04 # There's no reason that it couldn't be done 05.46.14 # But all the people who are interested in it aren't interested in it enough to learn and do. 05.46.26 # it would be awesome to have that feature 05.46.59 # Then implement it. 05.47.15 # Everything in Rockbox is done by volunteers interested in it. 05.48.29 # I would definately help if I had the slightest knowledge in stuff like that. 05.48.39 # unfortunately it's not my branch hehe 05.48.50 # Does the broadcom chip only help with Apple's codec or could it be used for general processing? Or do you guys have no idea what it does? 05.53.39 Part xp|atinum 05.58.44 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.02.33 Join xp|atinum [0] (n=xplatinu@modemcable239.59-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) 06.03.08 # is managing pictures just as easy as mp3s ? 06.03.24 # its a pain in the arse with itunes... so stupid to absolutly have to sync from a specific folder 06.05.58 # Just drag and drop 06.07.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml will tell you everything. 06.18.15 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 06.20.04 Join cg [0] (n=cromos@dsl-olubrasgw1-ff8fc100-80.dhcp.inet.fi) 06.22.01 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982149e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-34810ac91d741f7e) 06.23.18 Part xp|atinum 06.36.09 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 06.39.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.53.31 Quit niiko ("Leaving") 06.54.18 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-107-14.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.06.57 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 07.11.06 Quit gtkspert_ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 07.27.22 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-174-017.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.35.58 Quit freqmod_nx (Remote closed the connection) 07.36.51 # what language are plugins written in 07.37.06 # C 07.37.53 # it's possible there's some ASM too, but it's primarily C. 07.38.02 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.38.24 # ..how are they compiled into .rock files 07.38.47 # by using a compiler (gcc) 07.38.52 # have you read the For Developers pages on the wiki and looked at the source code? 07.38.56 # no 07.39.11 # I'm going to go read it now 07.43.09 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.43.43 Join spr0k3t [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-171-220.kc.res.rr.com) 08.03.55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0FCC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.22.28 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.24.22 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.27.16 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.45 Quit aneka ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 08.39.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.39.30 Quit Thirtysixway ("Leaving") 08.40.49 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.44.34 Quit ol_schoola () 08.48.10 # Seen this page? http://www.ilgerone.net/rockbox/index.php 08.49.06 # * GodEater fires up google language tools 08.49.28 # It's an "Italian Homepage" for Rockbox. =/ 08.49.33 # http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilgerone.net%2Frockbox%2Findex.php&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 :) 08.49.52 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-74-29.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.50.35 # I used babelfish 08.50.53 # Google did a better job though 08.52.19 # looks to be blind focused too 08.52.31 # they have Jaws scripts linked right on the front page 08.52.44 # apparently june 2nd is rockbox day 08.53.02 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.53.20 Quit crwl ("update") 08.53.51 # did you just wander in there randomly Llorean ? Or did someone tell you about it ? 08.54.42 # GodEater: Mailing List 08.55.03 # ah 08.55.37 # The site worries me a little, it looks like they're claiming a specific "latest version" as being 19/12/07's build 08.56.19 # they're kind of doing their own support though 08.56.40 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a88-114-143-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 08.56.55 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.57.48 # The site just makes me a little nervous, since it's not entirely obvious, at least in google translate, that it's simply re-providing it. 08.58.07 # they do link to us at the bottom of the page 08.58.54 # Ah, there it is. 08.59.28 # Well, what will be, will be. 09.00.36 # I regard the fact that we don't have an influx of confused blind italians as proof of their relative success 09.00.49 # hahaha 09.01.29 Quit cool_walking_ (" HydraIRC -> advertises in your quit message. it's annoying.") 09.04.39 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.06.30 # well, they have a link to the official rockbox site on almost every page 09.07.59 # I think they have themselves a nice little project there 09.08.20 # * GodEater wonders if we should provide a link back to them 09.09.02 # i think so 09.09.09 # * petur spots Alessio Lenzi there as 'staff' 09.09.19 # figures :-) 09.09.46 # * GodEater doesn't recognise the name 09.10.01 # our Italian translator 09.10.11 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 09.10.25 # (who sometimes also commits something else iirc) 09.11.00 # I just wish they'd simply link to the official current build rather than hosting their own outdated copy. 09.11.27 # I think they're entitled to do that if they're providing support for it 09.11.34 # it makes their life much easier 09.11.58 # They're entitled to do whatever. 09.11.59 # heck, it'd make our life easier too :) 09.12.04 # Llorean: maybe they test a build first and only try to provide more or less stable builds or something. Or one where the italian intranslation is 100% up to date. 09.12.20 # markun: Maybe 09.12.44 # they have a known target, with known faults that way 09.12.53 # i think it's a great initiative 09.13.06 # But if you visit their site, their list of supported targets is wrong, and the "in progress" ones is kinda inaccurate. 09.13.20 # I'd classify the gigabeat as much more mature (for a user) than iPod feels. 09.14.47 # LinusN: junti1234 told me there is a Korean gigabeat community now. All using rockbox of course :) 09.14.58 # :-) 09.15.11 # * petur is not surprised 09.15.45 Join gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@dsr190.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 09.16.19 # I'm just worried because we already get people not trusting our supported players list, and it doesn't help when there are sites out there that actually have wrong information. 09.16.46 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.16.50 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 09.16.54 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.17.06 # maybe we should do releases after all 09.17.08 # if there was nothing on that site to worry about, you'd invent something to be worried about. 09.17.19 # you worry too much :) 09.17.37 # :-P 09.17.39 # Fair enough 09.18.12 # I'd like to point out (again) we still haven't had a bunch on confused blind italians querying us since December on what the best supported rockbox target is ;) 09.18.24 # QED 09.18.57 # if those guys don't like recommending the sansa and the gigabeat, they must have their reasons 09.19.41 # the touch cross is probably not very blind friendly 09.20.36 # that's what I was thinking 09.20.38 # More so than the wheel on the iPod, I'd think 09.20.51 # At least with the cross you can feel the edges with a touch soft enough not to trigger it, then treat it like buttons 09.22.08 # markun: Did you get my comment regarding that pio mode patch? 09.22.16 # nope 09.22.42 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.16 # in today's log? 09.23.33 # yesterday... 09.25.18 # amiconn: did the nano report powermanagement support? 09.26.39 # brb 09.26.47 # yes 09.28.21 Quit Rob2222 () 09.28.32 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0FCC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.38.17 Join advlaptop2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.38.53 Quit advlaptop2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.39.37 Nick advlaptop2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.40.18 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 09.40.22 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 09.41.40 # amiconn: but the nano doesn't give any issues in set__features() regarding powermanagement? 09.42.49 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.43.03 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 09.43.11 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.44.03 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 09.44.09 Join JETC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 09.44.17 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.44.24 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.44.43 Quit kies (Connection timed out) 09.45.47 Join kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-99-147-21-179.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 09.48.59 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0FCC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.48.59 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.50.24 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-110545.home.otenet.gr) 09.56.43 # jhMikeS: any idea why rockbox can't seem to write to the S' disk? 10.01.11 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.01.11 Nick JETC- is now known as J3TC- (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 10.05.19 # linuxstb: I made something that should've worked (even worked on my PC), but because of what I said above, it doesn't work on target 10.05.32 # on my comp it gave weird permissions to the files though 10.05.37 # not sure it's perfect 10.13.39 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 10.18.54 # Nico_P: Because I disabled it for now :) 10.25.49 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.25.54 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 10.25.55 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.37.13 # petur: No. The only thing the nano doesn't seem to like is an ata soft reset, although that's also a mandatory ata feature... 10.37.29 # I really think this has to do with timings 10.38.59 Join Mark__T [0] (i=86630288@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e0d1ef8db4479472) 10.39.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.47.04 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.54.23 # moin 10.56.48 # in the Sansa c200 documentation, itgives the advice to load the DB to RAM, to save batery, because the disk spins for every search 10.57.24 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 10.57.26 # AFAIK the c200 hasn't anything that spins 10.57.58 # Yup. 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They don't seem to be needed on my c250 11.29.07 # Probably just stolen blindly from the ipodlinux source (where a lot of our PP code originated from) 11.29.19 # broom: I'm not sure about manuals, but manual build are, aren't they ? 11.30.16 # linuxstb: and they probably got them from the OF, so they won't know what those registers are either I guess 11.31.58 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.33.23 # gevaerts: Most likely. 11.35.37 # is forum searching broken or just slow? 11.38.24 # gevaerts: Maybe those accesses aren't needed on your c200 because the settings are already done by the loader 11.39.08 Nick daurnimator is now known as zz_daurnimator (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 11.39.10 Nick zz_daurnimator is now known as daurnimator (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 11.40.03 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 11.40.29 Nick Zom_ is now known as Zom (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 11.40.56 # broom: I did and I saw them build 11.40.57 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 11.41.18 # I can also see they build automatically this morning 11.41.21 # built 11.46.42 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 11.48.43 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965291.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.52.09 # amiconn: could be. I'm not going to remove them without being sure they aren't needed somewhere 11.52.34 # Bagder: were the results put to the download page? I still see Feb 13 there. 11.53.20 # seems the html versions aren't built 11.54.00 # the pdf versions are 11.56.00 # /bin/sh: line 3: htlatex: command not found 11.56.05 # doesn't look too good 11.57.01 # I wonder where that went 11.59.50 # ok building it again 12.01.31 # hmmm the day before feb 14, some latex goes missing... I wonder where it went :) 12.02.25 # Bagder: in the PDF I see Feb 13 as well 12.02.34 # not me 12.02.54 # you're reading a cached one or something 12.03.29 # I checked several 12.04.29 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955E7AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.05.29 # Bagder: indeed. Now I see Feb 15 in the PDF 12.05.43 # goodie 12.05.54 # and the "online" and html zips will be too within a while 12.06.29 # petur: and my wordpress went partly french ;-) 12.06.51 # if you need translation,... ;) 12.08.49 # well, luckily only parts of the gui did this and I know that already without having to read the labels much 12.08.55 # just a very curious problem 12.09.57 Join anton [0] (n=anton@p54B9371A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.10.19 # hi there 12.10.59 # hallo ?! 12.11.19 # hi 12.11.34 # anton: we're 120+ people here, we don't "hi" everyone 12.11.51 # kk 12.11.53 # sorry 12.11.56 # just feel welcome! 12.12.01 # thx 12.12.05 # and hang around or ask questions or whatever you need! 12.12.45 # sb here who know install for sansa @ linux 32 ? 12.12.50 # * gevaerts wonders if any rockbox people are going to FOSDEM 12.13.01 # anton: there's a manual you should try 12.13.14 # the the bootloader file is some how not "normal" 12.13.23 # i know the man 12.13.38 # How is it not normal? 12.13.39 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/sansapatcher 12.13.50 # so is this the normal text ? 12.14.08 # Just download the file, rather than viewing it in your browser. 12.14.19 # fosdem seems nice, I wish I could go 12.14.20 # e.g. at the terminal type "wget http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/sansapatcher" 12.14.28 # Or right-click and "save as" in your browser. 12.14.48 # I might go, but I haven't decided yet 12.14.52 # kk ill have a try 12.14.55 # * linuxstb hopes he didn't offend Bagder 12.15.20 # * Bagder turns his head away and pretends to not see 12.15.25 # * petur reads about FOSDEM Beer Event :) 12.16.16 # hmmm that weekend is fully booked already here 12.16.25 # * gevaerts doesn't remember petur talking about anything but beer 12.16.50 # he doesn't much ;) 12.17.04 # maybe he'll give a beer related talk at fosdem too ? :) 12.18.11 # "how to select what beer to drink with what free software project" 12.18.25 # an important issue 12.18.57 # * petur feels he needs to make an urgent change to the devcon08 page 12.19.32 # Actually, searching for "rockbox" on site:fosdem.org gives no results, while there are 1370 for "beer" 12.20.34 # * gevaerts sees petur's change 12.20.39 # http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=rockbox&word2=beer 12.20.40 # :) 12.20.41 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 12.21.01 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 12.21.52 # * petur walks to lunch 12.23.09 # via the beer shop no doubt 12.24.08 # has someone tryed to install doom @ a sansa, and is't ok to play ? 12.25.17 # broom: the manuals are now updated 12.25.45 # it'll take a little while more until the download mirrors have synced the latest ones 12.25.58 Nick daurnimator is now known as zz_daurnimator (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 12.26.00 Nick zz_daurnimator is now known as daurnimator (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 12.26.07 # anton: sansa e200 or c200 ? It works on a c200, the framerate is ok, but the screen is too small and the button placement is so that your fingers will obscure the screen. No idea about the e200, but the screen is larger 12.26.31 # Bagder: OK! 12.26.48 # anton: so in summary it works, but you have to find out for yourself if it works well enough for you 12.27.26 # but i have a e 12.27.29 # e280 12.27.48 # * Bagder looks at anton 12.27.55 # ill have a try i think 12.30.18 # * gevaerts notices that http://www.linkedin.com/in/petur doesn't mention beer at all 12.31.08 # he has to keep a clean profile :-) 12.31.13 # jhMikeS: why did you disable writing? 12.31.49 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 12.31.57 # * Nico_P has been playing around with the ipod and hasn't seen many issues (yet) 12.32.27 # the only thing I see is that the disk is slow so buffering takes a long time (also because of the big buffer to fill) 12.33.07 # I need to try the spinlock revert patch though 12.34.17 # notices that linkedin doesn't check in this case that you're logged in / or a linkedin user to show petur's profile 12.34.36 # but if you search for someone, it requires you to login to see their profile 12.34.48 # I think that's on purpose 12.34.58 # you're supposed to be able to show your public profile like that 12.35.27 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 12.35.45 # it means you can type any old name in after the /in/ in the url though 12.35.45 # and just randomly look at people 12.36.08 # yeps 12.36.21 # but user's can switch off that 12.36.24 # users 12.36.34 # ah ok 12.36.59 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.39.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.39.58 # and the default public profile url seems to have a hex hash at the right end... :-) 12.40.15 # * Bagder stops the off topic for now 12.40.58 Join webguest45 [0] (n=792c6251@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f37dc6428e1f1659) 12.41.45 Quit webguest45 (Client Quit) 12.41.50 Join webguest21 [0] (n=792c6251@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-08f13539be8b24ec) 12.42.04 Quit webguest21 (Client Quit) 12.42.10 Join webguest48 [0] (n=792c6251@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dfc22ecadfc870f8) 12.42.25 Quit webguest48 (Client Quit) 12.44.31 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 12.46.13 # Nico_P: just to be sure for the time being that nothing would cause me to have to reformat or anything 12.50.05 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-210-141.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.50.55 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 12.51.18 # jhMikeS: isn't it safe enough yet? 12.51.29 # * petur fails to find gevaerts on LinkedIn 12.54.57 # * gevaerts thinks that might be caused by him not having a profile there 12.55.38 # Nico_P: probably 12.56.06 # just enable it in ata-target.h 12.58.04 Quit J3TC- (".•«UPP»•.") 12.58.48 # jhMikeS: what do I have to add? 13.03.33 Join Weiss [0] (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) 13.04.22 Quit anton (Remote closed the connection) 13.05.00 # Nico_P: nothing 13.05.22 # well I don't see how to enable it 13.06.01 # get rid of the ATA_OPTIMIZED_WRITING stuff 13.06.39 # the copy_write_sectors in ata-imx31.c as well 13.07.26 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 13.11.39 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 13.13.09 # jhMikeS: Why would you remove the optimised writing? 13.14.35 # there is no writing at all in the optimized writing, just a stub 13.15.31 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 13.18.09 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 13.19.18 Quit broom ("CGI:IRC") 13.20.11 Join gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@dsr190.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.20.16 # jhMikeS: that's already disabled for the bootloader and it still wan't ale to write 13.20.27 # *wasn't able 13.20.34 Join webguest17 [0] (n=792c6251@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f687db173f99fb8) 13.23.18 # what happened? 13.23.49 # * jhMikeS didn't know the bootloader was being used 13.26.02 Quit webguest17 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.27.15 # write returns -1 13.27.43 # maybe there's something elese I'm doing wrong but it does work on my compo 13.27.47 # computer 13.28.20 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 13.30.04 # BOFH time :) 13.30.10 # Zagor: I got bulk working with both directions on the same endpoint pair 13.30.28 # oh, great! 13.31.41 # so we should have mass-storage and logf simultaneously then. that's really awesome. 13.31.42 # * amiconn wonders what jhMikeS is referring to... 13.31.48 # I did have to add some delays though, and I can't get serial and ms working at the same time, so I think my TD handling is still not right 13.32.42 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.33.42 # amiconn: it used a stub for an "optimized" copy_write_sectors just to disable it 13.34.05 # Where?? 13.34.19 # ata-imx31.c 13.34.23 # gevaerts: well at your speed I'm sure it's working before sunday ;-) 13.34.52 # Ah, so some target specific hack 13.35.00 # No wonder I was confused... 13.37.28 # * jhMikeS wonders how ata_write_sectors fails since only copy_write_sectors is disabled 13.38.19 # Zagor: it's bound to slow down a bit : the fast progress was due to finding that small packets work, and then doing the easy bits. What I'm doing now is slightly more complicated, with more subtle bugs... 13.39.30 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B1612D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.46.39 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-189-81-194.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.46.41 # Zagor: do you know if anyone actually reproduced the high-speed problems on anything other that sansa ? 13.46.43 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 13.46.55 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-189-81-194.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.47.45 # gevaerts: I'm not sure. I know some people ran code on the ipods just to see the descriptors, but I don't know how much else they tested. 13.49.01 # jhMikeS: here's the patch http://pastebin.ca/904955 13.50.45 # linuxstb, GodEater: could you check if the EG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED 13.51.18 # line in usb_drv_init() in usb-drv-pp502x.c isrequired on ipod ? 13.51.58 # * gevaerts always has trouble with pasting things from his editor. There's always a line ending sneaking in 13.52.58 # who is working on the d2 port? 13.55.05 # austriancoder: shotofadds 13.55.08 # * Nico_P leaves for class 13.55.28 # gevaerts: Sorry, can't check anything now... 13.55.30 Join idak [0] (n=aidehara@fg242.opt2.point.ne.jp) 13.55.36 # linuxstb: merci 13.55.42 # * jhMikeS is absorbing the patch 13.58.09 # Nicotine? 13.59.39 # * jhMikeS still gets that the old fashioned way :) 14.01.11 # bad habit 14.03.00 # linuxstb: no hurry. I just want to check if this high speed is really a portal player issue, or something sansa-specific. 14.03.13 # it's my preferred bad habit, others have their own no doubt 14.03.21 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.04.12 Join Me [0] (n=Me@h8441148223.dsl.speedlinq.nl) 14.04.15 Nick Me is now known as Anarchitect (n=Me@h8441148223.dsl.speedlinq.nl) 14.07.06 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 14.10.52 Quit idak ("Leaving.") 14.13.57 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@84.119.14.22) 14.14.32 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7FA6.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.15.51 Part Mark__T 14.16.56 # Hi everybody 14.17.43 # I've seem to run into a bit of trouble 14.18.43 # My computer won't recognize my ipod anymore 14.19.27 # and on my ipod it says: Error: can't load rockbox.ipod. 14.19.29 # file not found 14.20.02 # Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY 14.20.10 # right 14.20.12 # tried that 14.20.17 # but it just goes to the 'recharging' logo 14.20.59 # how long do i hold them? 14.21.02 # It should take you to Apple's emergency (black and white) disk mode screen - and you can then attach it to your PC. 14.21.13 # right 14.21.16 # * Anarchitect unplugs the ipod 14.21.20 # Until they do something... 14.21.38 # i.e. hold MENU+SELECT until it resets, then immediately hold SELECT+PLAY until you see the disk mode screen 14.21.49 # now it says 'OK to disconnect' (after I followed those instructions) 14.21.55 # Now connect it. 14.22.06 # sweet 14.22.29 # Thanks a bunch, it got it! 14.26.26 Join d34df00d [0] (n=d34df00d@80.251.122.132) 14.26.45 Part d34df00d ("Konversation terminated!") 14.27.06 Join webguest54 [0] (n=792c6251@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-481129ff6a871979) 14.32.04 Quit webguest54 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.36.28 Quit ol_schoola () 14.39.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.41.22 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.42.14 # hmm 14.42.20 # didn't people say flac now compresses as well as wavpack? 14.43.44 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.50.13 # I know the latest versions of flac compress better than the older ones, but I don't know if it's as good as wavpack. 14.55.29 # doesn't seem like it 14.55.36 # wavpack -h still compresses better than flac -8 here 14.56.00 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.57.18 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ec996ee0daa1d396) 14.58.34 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 14.58.39 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965291.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.59.15 # Is -h the mode that's very CPU-intensive to decode? Or am I confusing that with something else? 15.00.12 # it more intensive, but not most 15.00.31 # there's a -hh now, that david bryant quite simply says you should not use if you intend to decode on embedded targets 15.00.44 # though i suspect gigabeats don't really count... 15.05.01 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.38 Join FrankOtto [0] (n=gonzo@p5B0726D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.10.46 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 15.12.32 # Say, linuxstb, I was lookinag around the rockbox site and must have failed to find it, but how do I uninstall Rockbox? 15.13.37 # depends on the target: the general one is to revert the bootloader and delete the .rockbox directory 15.14.10 # if by target you mean device, I'm jusing an Ipod 15.14.20 # How does one revert te bootloader? 15.14.30 # Anarchitect: Read the manual for your iPod. All the instructions are in it. 15.14.41 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.14.51 # I didn't get a manual with it, but I'll see what there's to find online 15.15.08 # Anarchitect: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 15.15.18 # thanks! 15.24.09 Join Anarchite [0] (n=Me@h8441148223.dsl.speedlinq.nl) 15.24.31 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.26.30 Join Kizle [0] (n=Kiz@adsl-153-82-12.mia.bellsouth.net) 15.26.55 # * LinusN is controlling is ipod video using his remote (!) :-) 15.27.40 # using the OF ? :) 15.27.47 # haha, of course not 15.28.00 # and I thought your ipod video was at Nico_P's house now ? :) 15.28.07 # if so, that's a hell of long cord.... 15.28.09 # i have a 5G as well 15.28.13 # ah 15.28.25 # so you have a working serial driver and stuff then ? 15.28.29 # yup 15.28.34 # well done that man! 15.28.41 # you'll be the toast of the forums and no mistake 15.29.01 # needs some cleanup, and i haven't yet managed to make it interrupt driven 15.29.12 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.29.16 # what sort of remote is it ? 15.29.22 # luckily the uart has a large fifo 15.29.23 # my 5.5G didn't come with one 15.30.25 # * LambdaCalculus37 hands LinusN a Guinness for his hard work 15.30.58 # I didn't even know you were working on it LinusN - you kept it very quiet 15.31.08 # ouh nice. do you have the remote with the FM radio ? 15.31.12 # +hi 15.32.03 # no, the fm radio remote seems hard to come by here 15.32.19 # i bought an el cheapo docking station with a cordless remote 15.32.43 # ok. 15.33.51 # http://www.teknikmagasinet.se/nydb/db.pl?template_file=db_stor.html&artnr=100275 15.35.11 # yes, i kept quiet because i didn't want people to expect anything, since i can't devote much time to rockbox nowadays 15.41.56 Join lubomir [0] (n=lubomir@ip-90-187-166-10.web.vodafone.de) 15.42.13 Quit Anarchitect (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.42.18 # hello. what is the ceapest rockbox compatible player? 15.42.39 # c200? 15.43.08 # nice one, LinusN! 15.43.35 # Horscht: thx 15.44.20 # there is also no cheaper one that is not available any more on the market? 15.44.56 # lubomir: Try looking on eBay. You may get a good deal on a Rockboxable player. 15.45.07 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a55102ca63ebce83) 15.45.17 # * LambdaCalculus37 remembers seeing some iPod minis for $30-$60 yesterday 15.45.20 # The Gigabeats can be had for cheap cheap cheap on ebay 15.45.27 # thanks guys 15.45.29 Part Anarchite 15.46.21 # * preglow sees gigabeat s is no longer on refurbdepot 15.46.43 # LambdaCalculus37, for what exactly should i search? I think it would be more cheaper when buing an player and flash then the firmware myself 15.47.35 # lubomir: that's pretty much the only way to get rockbox on a player - there are very few on ebay which come with it pre-installed. 15.48.07 # GodEater: Actually, I tend to see a lot of sellers of Archos JBRs that sell them with Rockbox flashed onto them already. 15.48.44 # lubomir: so try hunting for "sansa c200" or "gigabeat F" 15.49.06 Part LinusN 15.49.16 # LambdaCalculus37: I take it back then. In my *personal* experience I've never found a rockboxed already player on ebay ;) 15.49.17 # GodEater, is there a cheaper one then the c240 with 1gb for 42€? 15.49.24 # lubomir: I doubt it 15.49.30 # lubomir: if you get a sansa, make sure to get a v1. 15.49.56 # That may require asking the seller to look on the back of the Sansa for a "v2" mark. 15.50.01 # LambdaCalculus37: hi! 15.50.21 # GodEater: I did a search for irivers yesterday. Of the four I found three had rockbox installed (one of them was broken though) 15.50.37 # GodEater: Those were h120 or h140 15.50.46 # gevaerts: see my comment above about in my personal experience ;) 15.50.56 # * petur sees three iriver h3x0 and two h1x0 on ebay 15.51.09 # I guess I tend to buy my players when RB is in it's infancy on them 15.51.28 # * gevaerts sees the comment 15.52.24 # markun: Hey there! 15.52.45 # petur: U.S. based or Europe-based deals? 15.52.56 # EU 15.53.02 # Damn! 15.53.09 # didn't check US 15.54.17 # * LambdaCalculus37 will check U.S. 15.55.30 # GodEater, the player should be as smal and lighweight as possible. it doesnt need much capacity. is there a cheaper one then the sansa c200 v1 series? 15.55.30 # there's one... 15.55.34 # h320 15.56.10 # there isn't a player smaller, cheaper, and more lightweight than the c200 series that I'm aware of no 15.56.55 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 15.58.56 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 15.59.50 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 16.00.02 # Hello everybody. I just tried getting my CF-modded iriver H120 to run with the V7-pre bootloader and running rockbox from ROM... 16.00.21 # well, it's still giving ATA -80 16.00.39 # * petur not surprised 16.00.45 # but the splash screen comes up briefly at least 16.01.09 # and the error messages are different, so they probably come from a different code path 16.01.36 # i.e. not from the bootloader but from the rockbox binary itself 16.01.37 # I could release a blunt hack but I'd rather find out why it is going wrong 16.02.07 # yes, the main binary does the same check but has its own print code 16.02.09 # I have a screen of debug info, but I'm not sure if this is helpful 16.02.11 # GodEater, ipod nano 1gen is also ok? There are also some cheap ones in ebay. Are there other player with that smal and lighweight size that work with rockbox? 16.02.26 # FrankOtto: it is not... 16.02.43 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.02.55 # petur: it's lots of GPIO values, I doubt they help with ATA debugging 16.03.51 # libomir: Yes, they do! 16.04.02 # Make absolutely sure it's a 1st Gen, though! 16.04.26 # I guess the splash screen comes from the rockbox, not from the bootloader, right? 16.04.39 # yes 16.04.59 # that's good, at least rockbox starts... 16.05.29 # hm,okay. i saw that the sandisk is the half of the cost from an used ipod nano. i will get the sandisk then 16.05.30 # thanks 16.05.36 # ... and from that point on it gets pretty safe to hack it, because with the V7 bootloader I can actually have *two* rockbox versions in ROM 16.06.08 # one is executed from ROM itself, the other is loaded into RAM and executed there 16.06.30 # FrankOtto: now you can disable ata_perform_sleep() and set_features() and it should boot 16.06.48 # petur: that's what I'll try next 16.06.56 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 16.07.00 # There's also some call at shutdown that hangs a few seconds 16.07.10 # haven't checked which 16.07.46 # the nice thing is that I won't have to modify the bootloader now, a modified rockbox should do the trick 16.08.48 # ok, then I'm off to read some docs on how to *build* my own rockbox :) 16.09.13 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.12.35 # is rockbox working on all c200/e200 player? There are c240,c250,e250,e260,e270 and e280 16.13.48 # all of the v1...none that are v2 16.14.26 # That's why I said to ask the seller to look for a "v2" logo on the back of the Sansa before you bid/buy it. 16.16.14 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.17.06 # ah, i see that the only difference between the different model numbers is the flash size. since how long is there version 2? So when i see someone who tells that he owns the player since 1 year or so, i could be shure that that is v1 and not v2 16.17.48 # the v2 has been out for a few months 16.18.15 # so yes...if he says a year, then you should be fine 16.19.24 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.20.22 # thanks scorche|w 16.21.02 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 16.31.40 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 16.35.19 Quit Kizle ("Leaving") 16.36.19 Quit major_works (Remote closed the connection) 16.37.53 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 16.39.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.40.22 Join idak [0] (n=aidehara@fg242.opt2.point.ne.jp) 16.48.00 Part idak 16.49.23 Join idak [0] (n=aidehara@fg242.opt2.point.ne.jp) 16.54.05 Join Wonder99 [0] (n=1891e7ac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-385427aa096d36e0) 17.01.19 Quit petur ("beer time :)") 17.06.36 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-209-72.dsl.scarlet.be) 17.08.18 Join roxfan2 [0] (n=dunno@167.196-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 17.12.30 Quit scorche|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.13.59 # * pondlife wonders why tracks 3 and 10 are getting such a bad reputation... :) 17.14.00 Quit lubomir ("Leaving") 17.16.18 Part idak 17.16.25 Quit major_works (Remote closed the connection) 17.16.28 Quit scorche|sh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.17.16 Quit roxfan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.27 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.33 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 17.18.05 Join Yeeze [0] (n=57a67bb0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a4662e8402fcf1cc) 17.21.07 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 17.23.07 Join scorche|sh [0] (n=scorche@squisch.net) 17.23.25 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 17.24.46 Quit Yeeze ("CGI:IRC") 17.26.58 # * gevaerts is stopping paid work for this week. Only rockbox work from now on... 17.28.00 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 17.28.07 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 17.29.52 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 17.30.44 # Why couldn't you have said such golden words on Monday? ;) 17.35.20 Join blithe_ [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 17.35.55 Quit blithe (Success) 17.35.59 Quit scorche|sh (Connection reset by peer) 17.36.19 # jhMikeS: ping 17.40.37 # for all CF-modders: I can confirm that petur's hack around the "ATA -80" issue also works on an iriver H120 with a Transcend-133x card 17.41.08 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb123.ugent.be) 17.42.15 Nick MindScape is now known as _MindScape (i=tranquil@ifconfig.and.set.your.eth0.linux.info.ve) 17.45.05 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.45.16 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 17.46.18 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.46.51 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-110545.home.otenet.gr) 17.48.16 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 17.52.26 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 17.53.13 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 17.57.17 # FrankOtto: nice. Now we just have to find out how to fix it. 17.57.34 # Nico_P: just one thought about the cabbie wps version 2, why this banner with now playing ? we are in the now playing screen so why mention it again? 17.59.49 # toffe82: that's not my idea 17.59.51 # markun: right. Somehow my CF card (and also petur's) don't confirm fully to spec and get confused by the power management/sleeping. 18.00.05 # Nico_P: :) 18.00.06 # but I like actually like it 18.00.46 # FrankOtto: but since the cards work with the original firmwares for the iriver and apple players I assume we can detect this in some way. 18.00.48 # I like the wps also but this banner is not necessary , I would prefer to see the time 18.01.38 # markun: unfortunately I have absolutely no knowledge about ATA internals :( 18.01.53 # someone will figure it out 18.02.22 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 18.02.25 # Nico_P: there is a forum to discuss this ? 18.02.36 # toffe82: would you be interested in attending devcon2008? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 18.02.54 # toffe82: yes, the default wps contest thread 18.03.00 # markun: yes I was looking at it this morning 18.03.30 # I should be in France in june/july 18.03.42 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.05.05 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 18.05.11 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@p5B04666A.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.09.51 Quit major_works ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 18.11.12 Part toffe82 18.12.17 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 18.12.51 # My girlfriend has asked me to sign her onto the wiki, but she needs write permission. Anyone mind while I handle that? 18.13.15 # LambdaCalculus37: what do you mean? 18.13.24 # LambdaCalculus37: Unless your girlfriend is a penis-enlargement spammer, then no 18.13.37 # rasher: She's the genuine article. Ask markun. 18.14.12 # LambdaCalculus37: you don't really need to ask it. 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You can just use "fdisk" to create a suitable partition table. 19.05.33 # Is there no partition table for 30GB 4th gen? 19.05.34 # aye okay 19.05.52 # fdisk /dev/sdc 19.06.00 # Now what? 19.06.13 # o create a new empty DOS partition table 19.06.13 # lymeca_: Give me a moment, and I'll pastebin what my 60GB ipod Color looks like. 19.07.59 # lymeca_: http://www.pastebin.ca/905297 - create a partition table that looks like that (but the second (FAT32) partition will be smaller) 19.08.36 # lymeca_: The first partition needs to be around 40MB. 19.08.47 # linuxstb: When I create the first one what FS type to I tell fdisk? 19.08.56 # File system type (default ext2): 19.08.56 # Type "0" 19.08.58 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f010@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-602b9bab04b15934) 19.09.02 # (zero) 19.09.07 # didn't work 19.09.15 # Are you using "fdisk" ? 19.09.25 # File system type (default ext2): 0 19.09.25 # File system type (default ext2): 19.09.27 # GNU Fdisk 1.0 19.09.36 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.10.20 # That seems different to my fdisk... 19.11.35 # * gevaerts didn't know there is a GNU fdisk 19.11.36 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-95d6d9151ffe4a76) 19.11.48 # Do you have "gfdisk" or "lfdisk" ? 19.12.33 # linuxstb: I have both 19.13.21 # this is what I have now 19.13.21 # /dev/sdc1 1 40 321268 83 Linux 19.13.21 # /dev/sdc2 41 3647 28965195 c FAT32 LBA 19.13.37 # Do they look like this when you run them? http://www.pastebin.ca/905331 (I typed the "p" command) 19.14.53 # Got it! 19.14.58 # I switched the first one to be type 0 19.15.22 # Better change the second to "b" - I'm not 100% sure "c" is supported by the Rockbox install tools. 19.15.33 # (Apple use "b") 19.15.53 # But how big is your first partition? 19.16.14 # 40MB? 19.16.18 # It looks like 40 cylinders, rather than 40MB... 19.16.19 # I just ran ipodpatcher 19.16.22 # ohh 19.16.24 # maybe 19.16.40 # I just installed rockbox and some music copied over to the FAT32 19.16.47 # I'll reboot the device and see if it worked 19.17.48 # yay! 19.17.48 # =D 19.18.13 # I have a new 4th gen! 19.18.18 # I've never owned a colour before. 19.18.27 # Someone gave it to me ebcause it was "broken" 19.18.36 # I opened it and upnplugged the HDD and plugged it back in 19.18.43 # and now it works with Rockbox! 19.18.56 # lymeca_: you might still want to shrink that first partition a bit. You're losing out on 280 entire megabytes ! 19.19.23 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.19.28 # Should I redo the whole thing? 19.19.29 # I guess... 19.19.46 # You don't really have to, but now it's just wasted space 19.20.22 # How many cylinders do I want the first partition to be? 19.20.32 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3cd4cd600cfc33d8) 19.20.35 # 5 19.20.51 # Partition 1 should be from 1-5, and partition 2 from 6-end 19.22.11 # dev/sdc1 1 6 48163 0 Empty 19.22.11 # /dev/sdc2 7 3647 29238300 b FAT32 19.23.39 Join idak [0] (n=aidehara@fg242.opt2.point.ne.jp) 19.23.45 # isn't the ipod OF and diskmode stored in partition 1? 19.23.56 # naw 19.24.08 # well OF maybe 19.24.13 # diskmode is not on the HDD 19.24.21 # IIRC 19.24.22 # ah, ok 19.24.37 # I don't care about OF 19.25.11 # Disk Mode is not on the HDD, so you're correct, lymeca_. 19.29.42 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.31.34 # * gevaerts thinks he has done everything correctly, but his sansa thinks not... 19.32.05 # The Sansa is clearly wrong. Tell it more firmly 19.33.21 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.33.38 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.35.27 # BigBambi: I'll try. Any suggestions on the specific words I should use ? 19.36.21 # strong words, preferably. 19.36.51 # gevaerts: You could try being firm but fair - "Look, I know this is new for you, but we really have to work together on this one. I need to you to fricking work on this one, OK? Thanks" 19.37.20 # * gevaerts was hoping for some words that the compiler would also accept 19.38.42 # gevaerts: You just need to write a compiler for human language first. 19.41.13 # what it if becomes offended? 19.41.18 # i think gcc is hard enough to work with as it is 19.41.31 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@137-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.42.23 # It currently gets offended and stops listening to me. I then have to be angry for 15 seconds or more for it to power of 19.42.32 Join asdrubal [0] (n=abc@cpe-76-190-216-97.neo.res.rr.com) 19.44.22 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 19.45.51 # ahh, but that's just the sansa, imagine what hell life would be if _gcc_ took a disliking to you :) 19.46.28 # preglow: You mean it doesn't at the moment? 19.46.59 # preglow: yeah...i think it pretty much loathes all humankind 19.47.18 # you are right, of course 19.47.33 # this might be why the gcc devs themselves are so reluctant to tinker on it 19.48.03 # or why they are all named Dave? 19.48.37 # It is linuxstb's fault? 19.50.06 # Bowman...not Chapman 19.51.31 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 19.52.18 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.53.23 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.54.33 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0067@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8426f55fbd4ea293) 19.57.46 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.00.58 Nick simonrvn is now known as Kjikaqawej (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 20.01.11 Nick Kjikaqawej is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 20.04.20 Quit linuxstb (No route to host) 20.07.11 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.09.10 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.211.254) 20.10.03 # * gevaerts wants unbuffered real-time debugging output that also works when there is a bug in an interrupt handler 20.10.19 # haha 20.10.25 # then you need jtag 20.10.41 # most things tend to break up when interrupt handlers don't work 20.11.07 Quit linuxstb_ (No route to host) 20.11.35 # petur: I have some info on the shutdown issue 20.11.49 # * petur listens 20.11.49 # preglow: it's not funny :( 20.12.26 # petur: Does that CF card work in the OF? 20.12.32 # nope 20.12.40 # check HDD 20.13.01 # petur: by disabling ata_perform_sleep, the shutdown_hw() routine ends up in an endless loop: while(ata_disk_is_active()) ... 20.13.13 # ah 20.13.36 # told you it was a hack - you had to make a patch of it and publish it ;) 20.13.36 # eventually, some other thread forces the shutdown 20.14.14 # i noticed there is a loud noise on the forced shutdown (on the headphones), do you get that too? 20.14.29 # not using headphones wile testing 20.14.35 # There's a forced shutdown as a safety measure, in case some thread doesn't want to finish 20.14.50 # hey, i marked the patch as experimental ;) 20.15.23 # i guess it's because we miss the call to audiohw_close() in shutdown_hw() 20.15.40 # we never get there because of the loop 20.15.42 # That patch is clearly a hack; it would be useful to try and track down *why* the card doesn't like certain commands 20.15.52 # I still think it's timing... 20.16.14 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.16.22 # amiconn: that is my intent 20.16.24 # That would be about my next field of experimentation if I were interested in putting a CF card in 20.17.15 # amiconn: could you put your name down on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 please? 20.17.16 # I will eventually do this with my H10 - but ata timing setup on PP needs further RE first, while coldfire ata is documented... 20.17.50 # Are there some ATA status registers that would help, after the failing ATA commands? 20.18.17 # scorche: I did not do so yet on purpose - I wanted to check whether I could offer free hosting first. 20.18.54 # amiconn: alright...you could always put a "checking on ___ in progress" as well 20.19.11 # hmm 20.19.44 # * petur wonders if pixelma is going too 20.19.50 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a3e89da1d96ce00) 20.20.07 # petur: yeah...i am just asking as names come up at the moment 20.20.53 Join southernr [0] (n=jirc@rrcs-70-63-227-26.midsouth.biz.rr.com) 20.20.53 # maybe, if it isn't too far away/expensiva/a hassle to get to the place. Already thought about putting my name into the list... 20.20.59 # yo 20.23.22 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955BE60.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.24.00 # pixelma: it is my opinion that everyone who is even thinking about going should be on the list at least with a "thinking about it...very tentative" or some such comment 20.24.36 # yes, will do 20.24.49 # does some ATA guru now what "IORDY support" is? 20.25.44 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.26.01 # i'm comparing the debug disk info between the HD and the CF; differences are: CF says "read-ahead unsupported" and "IORDY support: no" 20.26.15 # does rockbox do anything about the 2 hour recording limit on 5th gen ipods? 20.26.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.27.41 # southernr: Check the manual. There are no artificial limits on recording 20.27.41 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.28.03 # southernr: if recording is supported, then it is unlimited until disk full or battery empty. New file every 2GB without sample loss 20.28.17 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e2acde3c749f3195) 20.28.38 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 20.29.33 Quit idak ("Leaving.") 20.30.03 # amiconn: is the ata spec in our wiki or shall I google for it? 20.30.08 # * Llorean is going to get a new Passport this week, just in case it ends up international. 20.30.42 # I will certainly try to attend devcon even if it's outside europe, but explicitly excluding the US 20.31.10 # iceland! 20.31.41 # Why not? Apart from that, iceland is counted as part of europe afaik 20.31.47 Quit BitTorment (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.31.54 # and it is between US and EU 20.32.10 # a bit expensive on food and very expensive on drinks 20.32.20 # but very relaxed customs :) 20.32.35 # hmm... i just notice that the original ata_perform_sleep() still sets sleeping=true even if the ATA command fails. isn't that a bug? 20.32.38 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 20.33.33 # petur: It is not because of the distance... could even imagine having devcon in .au 20.33.36 Join major_works [0] (n=chatzill@ool-45745dcc.dyn.optonline.net) 20.34.08 # amiconn: expensive 24h trip though... 20.34.54 # AU! 20.35.17 # amiconn: where do the values for set_features come from ( { 83, 3, 0x05, 0x80 } )? some spec? 20.36.12 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 20.36.40 # Check the struct members... 20.36.43 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180072027.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.37.11 # * petur goes hunting for some spec 20.38.00 # That comes down to: Check word 83, bit 3. If bit is set, send SET_FEATURES command 0x05 value 0x80 20.38.13 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.38.18 # word == identify info word 20.38.35 # I got that far, it is the "command 0x05 value 0x80" I miss doc for 20.38.53 # See the SET_FEATURES command 20.39.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.39.30 # 0x05 is 'enable advanced power management' 20.39.36 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.40.08 # 0x80 is the value for that power management. Allowed range is 0x01..0xfe 20.40.18 # (lowest..highest) 20.40.45 # We use 0x80 and not 0x01 because values below 0x80 allow the disk to decide itself when to spin down & park 20.40.50 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965291.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.41.22 # ah, found it in the CF spec 20.41.35 Join idak [0] (n=aidehara@fg242.opt2.point.ne.jp) 20.46.41 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.47.47 Join roxfan [0] (n=dunno@167.196-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 20.47.57 # petur: you had crashes until you disabled ata_perform_sleep(), right? 20.48.24 # not really crashes, just hanging and no more reading afterwards 20.48.33 # ie empty dirs 20.48.36 # ah 20.48.57 Join Absinthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 20.48.58 # I have modified ata_perform_sleep, so that it only sets sleeping=true if the ATA command succeeds 20.49.13 # with this, shutdown works normal 20.49.35 # so far, playing works too, no crashes/hangs yet, but... 20.49.51 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 20.50.10 # ... at the moment where the disk would spin down (have set it to 5 seconds), the disk access LED comes on, and stays on :-/ 20.50.38 # the adapter itself has another LED, which however stays off. 20.50.54 # still the constantly on LED worries me... 20.51.07 Quit BigBambi ("playing games with my heart") 20.51.41 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.242.33) 20.52.01 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.52.05 # well, if I do a real disk access, the LED turns off, but comes back on after 5s. 20.53.48 # petur: how soon did the hanging occur in your case? 20.54.13 # when the sleep command was given I'd say 20.54.54 # aha. well it survives that now, apart from the LED issue 20.55.01 # That's an important question I think - where does it hang exactly, and why 20.55.37 # amiconn: i still feel that the original behavior of perform_ata_sleep is buggy 20.55.58 # i don't think it should set sleeping=true even if the ATA command fails 20.56.41 # i guess that would cause problems, as then the driver thinks the disk is sleeping while it actually isn't. 20.57.07 # Very possible 20.57.31 # Did you check whether the card states that it supports the power management feature set? 20.57.59 # it does 20.57.59 # yes, it says so. (debug info) 20.58.26 # 83 = 400C 20.58.29 # also, if it didn't say so, we wouldn't even try the set-features call which eventually results in ATA error -80 20.58.32 # Identify info word 82 bit 3 20.58.48 # Not to confuse with the _advanced_ power management feature set 20.58.56 # 82 = 7008 20.59.05 # Aha, hmm 20.59.15 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.59.17 # Then I don't understand why CMD_SLEEP should fail 20.59.31 # Would be interesting to check the return values of that 20.59.57 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0320F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.00.09 # right. at least CMD SLEEP seems to have the effect to turn the LED on :) 21.00.44 # Of course, as it's an ata command after all 21.01.12 # and the LED should turn off when the command completes, right? 21.01.47 # This can be observed on any hdd target with a real led - the led is lit during disk activity, then switches off, and when the rockbox disk timeout hits, comes on again for a short time because of the sleep command 21.02.12 # Targets where you can observe this: Archos Player, Archos recorders, Iriver H1x0 21.02.44 # The soft led in the status bar on other targets is too slow to take notice 21.03.01 Quit JdGordon|w ("mibbit.com: we'll be right back after a word from our sponsors!") 21.03.18 Quit roxfan2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.03.24 # amiconn: so what does a constantly on LED mean? that somethings is sending ATA commands all the time? 21.04.33 # May be a hung command, or an error condition that's not acknowleedged 21.04.43 # i see 21.04.57 # That's why I suggested checking return values (of the command, i.e. in the ata registers) 21.05.25 # * amiconn wonders once more why standards aren't even self-consistent 21.05.42 # do you know how to do that? printing out the ata registers, i mean. 21.06.27 # The ata standard defines the power management feature set as mandatory, yet has a bit for checking whether it's supported, as well as some error returns (e.g. from CMD_SLEEP and CMD_STANDBY) telling that it's not supported 21.06.29 # amiconn: I tried 0x80, 0x01 and 0xFE for command 0x05 and they all fail 21.07.33 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.08.14 # amiconn: should I also dump all identify regs? 21.08.39 # I have a patch that adds an item to dump the identify_info array to disk 21.08.49 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e866ce6f6907afe3) 21.08.51 # *an item *to the debug menu* 21.08.56 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 21.09.04 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4385.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.09.07 # oops, i have to recharge my iriver. be back later. 21.09.33 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/dump_identify_info.diff 21.10.07 # (rather trivial stuff in fact) 21.10.33 Quit FrankOtto ("Leaving") 21.10.39 # A patched tree won't compile for Sansa or Ondio, btw 21.11.02 Join drclanc [0] (n=507b0fee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7d924ac064ab46a4) 21.11.30 # Hi i have a question 21.12.06 # that's nice. 21.12.30 # Can I run rockbox on a M:robe 21.12.47 # no. Not yet. 21.12.59 # you can.. but you want get very far without tripping over 21.13.09 # .. they arnt really designed as a running surface 21.13.29 # well, you can hack it. You can't run it in terms of "use it as user". 21.13.42 # * BigBambi summarises - not easily unless you are a dev, or comfortable in hacking it 21.13.48 # What would it change, if I can rockbox 21.13.58 # Everything 21.14.06 # Rockbox is a replacement firmware 21.14.19 # check www.rockbox.org for details of what it brings 21.14.31 # Also, define m:robe 21.14.32 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 21.14.33 # ok thanks.... 21.14.38 # we have a nice wiki page WhyRockbox which explains it a bit. 21.14.41 # Mrobe 500 21.14.46 # bluebrother: have you had any thoughts on the xml? or has the idea sort of died? 21.15.04 # I haven't had too much time the last days for thinking about it. 21.15.15 # drclanc: yes, you can run rockbox with a bit of trickery.. but you cant play music yet 21.15.29 # I still like the idea of an editor, but I also think there are good reasons not to include one in rbutil 21.16.44 # ... sticking it on the web could solve the "force a version" problem, it could grab the correct xml version striaght f svn :) 21.17.22 # that could also be done by rbutil -- we're getting a bunch of info files already. 21.17.43 # ok cool, then that should shut up the ney sayers :p 21.18.31 # I am asking because the original Firmware is very bad programmed and Linux very slow 21.18.58 # amiconn: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/identify_info.bin 21.19.03 # bluebrother: I'm curious why you think it shouldn't be in RBUtil (I wouldn't mind a separate app, or web based, but I like the idea of a way to PC-side edit the cfg) 21.19.25 # we of course might have an issue here: if a user installs RB and say, wants to use only the config editor like 3 months later build and current xml wouldn't match anymore. 21.19.37 # we could of course install the xml alongside the build 21.20.01 # bluebrother: no.. grab it from http://svn.rockbox.org/.... 21.20.04 # Llorean: well, I'm not completely sure if it really is a good idea to put a complete config editor into rbutil. 21.20.09 # you can get the exact svn version 21.20.18 # bluebrother: That would make more sense to me. 21.20.29 # otoh, I'd kinda think that the challenge would be fun ;-) 21.20.34 # * petur discovers he doesn't have a hex editor on his linux laptop :/ 21.20.37 # JdGordon|w: What about people (like most of us...) who compile their own builds? 21.20.40 # bluebrother: To address that, I think the "xml" should be made by the build system, and RBUtil should read it from the DAP, not the internet 21.20.51 # So it's always relevant to the specific build, and MORE importantly, to target-specific features 21.20.55 # jdGordon|w: what kind of trickery? 21.20.59 # linuxstb: it would grab the svn version it was patched against 21.21.00 # JdGordon|w: good point, but storing it on the player has the advantage that you don't need net to use the editor 21.21.11 # JdGordon|w: And if the patch changed the settings code? 21.21.17 # then your boned :p 21.21.24 # bluebrother: ? 21.21.27 # petur: try xxd from vim ;-) 21.21.46 # drclanc: have you patched the mrobe firmware to run linux on it? 21.21.57 # yes 21.22.01 # we don't support patched builds anyway ;-) 21.22.13 # ok, then goto the wiki there should be install instructions.. 21.22.14 # * amiconn really wonders about that settings editor idea 21.22.15 # but I think it would be better to install the xml on the player. 21.22.21 # but its really not worth the effort 21.22.22 # OK! THANKS! 21.22.23 Quit southernr ("Bye bye") 21.22.47 # The settings editor is especially useful whilst we have 'hidden' settings 21.23.15 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.23.17 # amiconn: we know your not going to use it.. so please, just sshh... it doesnt effect the rockbox bin at all, its 100% rbutil.. 21.23.26 # * linuxstb wouldn't mind rbutil being able to edit settings, as long as didn't mean maintaining two independent files defining them 21.23.41 # It does affect rockbox development though... 21.23.45 # yep, the xml would need to be auto-created. 21.23.46 # your over estimating the work needed to keep them in sync 21.23.58 # JdGordon|w: Just think of FILES... 21.24.08 # Dead easy, but everyone forgets it... 21.24.14 # yes, true 21.24.20 # effort in the wrong direction imho 21.24.26 # amiconn: in what way would that affect core development? 21.24.37 # petur: I agree with that, but people do what they want... 21.24.41 # It detracts developers 21.24.42 # linuxstb: Whatever creates the definition file should do it from the source automatically, hopefully 21.24.52 # * petur agrees with amiconn 21.24.56 # devs like me? ;-) 21.25.04 # linuxstb: the solution to both is having a svn commit prehook which checks to make sure FILES/settings.xml is updated with the commit 21.25.24 # creating the definition would _need_ to be done automatically. I don't consider anything else a feasible solution. 21.25.49 # bluebrother: have you ever opened settings_list.c? I dare you to write a parser for it... 21.25.57 # its NASTY@ 21.26.03 # JdGordon|w: How would it know that the settings xml needed updating? e.g. if #defines somewhere in firmware/ have changed, or if a change to a settings file didn't in fact change the xml? 21.26.09 # didn't you create that? ;-) 21.26.24 # linuxstb: The settings XML needs to be target specific anyway, so it should just update every build methinks 21.26.51 # linuxstb: well we have that issue now anyway 21.27.06 # Llorean: it doesnt.. it just needs to handle mutliple targets 21.27.12 # which shouldnt be too difficult 21.27.23 # JdGordon|w: What issue? There's no settings xml now... 21.27.50 # changing values in one place and not updating settings_list.c or settings.h' 21.27.55 # its happened before.. 21.28.06 # Why would that be needed? 21.28.10 # * petur thinks the devs of GHex are braindead. Who presents hex data in 17 columns? 21.28.33 # that sounds really braindead. 21.28.34 # * JdGordon|w thinks one of us is confused 21.28.49 # JdGordon|w: Well it needs to have different ranges for different targets, at least. 21.28.57 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.29.34 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.29.40 # there are two options: make a big file holding all values and use some mechanism to figure the correct values. Or use target-specific files 21.29.57 # the first is the only viable one imo 21.30.00 # thinking about it I'm getting the impression that target-specific files would be easier. 21.30.28 # that file would need to get autocreated. That could be done during build, similar to rockbox-info.txt 21.30.40 # not easily... 21.30.45 # that way a build zip would also always include a matching xml 21.30.52 # I like target specific files. They can be included on the device, for outdated builds to be usable with the system. But that's me. 21.31.02 # bluebrother: During build is kinda "auto-created" (and how I see it working) :-P 21.31.16 # well, IMO an autogeneration-mechanism is really needed. 21.31.33 # Llorean: ;-) 21.31.38 # they would have to be on the device for this stuff to be usable imho 21.31.44 # Absolutely 21.31.49 # * JdGordon|w disagrees 21.32.02 # petur: That card reports to comply to ata-4 ... 21.32.06 # The other advantage is that if there's an on-device file describing the settings ranges, if someone decide to make a Music Management program, it has access to this data too. 21.32.25 # JdGordon|w: I found MrobLoad but how can I use it 21.32.34 # there is no introduction 21.32.36 # i dont remember 21.32.41 # Our driver was written based on the ata-5 standard afaik 21.32.59 # drclanc: just forget about rockbox untill its actaully working on the mr500 21.33.27 # hmm, when was the "charge during usb" setting introduced for the Ipods? Never seen that before. 21.33.29 # JdGordon|w: ok but only one question: is it then possible to play videos 21.33.32 # _if_ we can wrestle gcc into giving us something parseable then autogenning and putting on the tartget would be workabel 21.33.36 # no 21.33.37 Quit lazka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.33.40 # ok 21.33.49 # no sound, so no video 21.34.02 # * petur spots a new CF spec online 21.34.28 # thanks for the support 21.34.45 # Llorean: and it could be used for context sensitive help in Rockbox as well 21.34.56 # rasher: Possibly 21.35.03 # Hmm, but the mini's microdrive also reports ata-4 only, and it works with our driver 21.35.16 # can someone run settings_list.c through the cpp/gcc thing and dump its output? 21.35.22 # rasher: nice idea -- but wouldn't that require manual work (i.e. adding the strings somewhere)? 21.35.33 Quit drclanc ("CGI:IRC") 21.36.03 # * JdGordon|w still hugely against context sensitve help 21.36.24 # bluebrother: Depends what kind of info the file includes (some sort of memory address or ID or something perhaps?) 21.36.30 # JdGordon|w: I think a help plugin, launchable from the context menu, wouldn't be particularly bad. 21.36.49 # I also don't like the idea of context sensitive help 21.36.56 # amiconn: this is the CF spec I use(d), just is the newer one, I had 4.0: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/cfspc4_1.pdf 21.36.57 # What's *bad* about it? 21.37.04 # no transaltion for one thing 21.37.13 # Still better than nothing.. 21.37.21 # Our targets are embedded systems. 21.37.27 # better than the manual?! 21.37.42 # JdGordon|w: As I've explained a hundred times, users don't carry a printed manual everywhere they go 21.37.43 # There's always the manual 21.37.52 # a plugins sounds like a nice idea to me. But to be really useable we would need to have translation support for plugins first. 21.38.24 # rasher: well, Rockbox should be easy enough to use that you won't need a manual for daily use. 21.38.30 # I like the idea of as useful a help system as we can manage while impacting the core as little as possible, which is why I'm in favour of pluginizing the help if possible 21.38.34 # The manual could be included in the distribution, in a suitable format to be readable on the device 21.38.37 # bluebrother: which context sensitive help would help achieve... 21.38.42 # bluebrother: We don't have translations of the manual yet, anyway 21.39.10 # indeed, but that wouldn't be doable. Unless we get a team of translators. 21.39.14 # amiconn: And if it's in a plugin, why not let the plugin accept index strings of some sort, as parameters. Then let the UI pass them from a "Help" option in the context menu? 21.39.29 # amiconn: Our targets may be embedded systems, but what does that have to do with anything? They're fully capable of loading text from the disk and displaying that. How is that an argument? 21.39.31 # bluebrother: Then why do plugins need translations for a translated manual? ;) 21.40.04 # rasher: yes, but if we want to call Rockbox user-friendly the daily functionality should be useable without looking into some manual (or using some online help) 21.40.09 # rasher: Doing that explicitly, by means of a plugin is no problem 21.40.21 # amiconn: Then we agree. 21.40.35 # * Llorean throws a party. 21.40.35 # Then it doesn't use additional resources when not in use 21.40.47 # But context sensitive help would need hooks in the core 21.40.55 # if someone things our manual should be put on the device in one way or the other, could he/she try to help out getting it more up to date, please? ;) 21.40.56 # ...and buffer ram for the text 21.40.59 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-335ac22368227bc7) 21.41.16 # amiconn: How much would be needed just to pass a string as a parameter and launch the plugin? 21.41.43 # Basically, "Open with..." type operation on menu items. 21.41.50 # bluebrother: sure, but that doesn't mean context-sensitive help or manual-on-device won't make things even easier 21.42.00 # right. 21.42.07 # (1) that would be needed everywhere you want to provide help. (2) Doing it that way would be even worse than making it more integrated 21.42.08 # "We'd like to pretend there's nothing to be confused about" is a poor argument 21.42.21 # It would cause a spinup on *every* displayed help text 21.42.28 # we could probably very easily pass the ID of the setting into the plugin 21.42.28 # amiconn: Why's that a problem? 21.42.33 # hmm, how about adding the manual as txt to the device and then add a new "Manual" entry to the plugins menu that launches the text viewer opening that file? 21.42.34 # very, very easily 21.42.39 # Because it costs lots of battery power 21.42.45 # amiconn: If people rarely need help, it's not bad. If people need help often, they should read the manual. :) 21.42.48 # amiconn: so what, the user asked for help 21.43.14 # I don't think he'll be mortified to learn that it costs a tiny amount of power 21.43.22 # * Llorean agrees 21.43.29 # Llorean: well, if users need help often they should read the manual ;-) 21.43.32 # someone send settings_list.c through cpp/gcc so it dumps the output like it does with features.txt and paste it please.... 21.43.34 # I dislike unnecessary spinups, but in this case, I think it's better than wasting the RAM. 21.43.57 # Llorean: I think we should do neither, and ditch the idea of context sensitive help 21.44.00 # bluebrother: got a "IllInstr" or something like that recently trying to open a too long text file (deutsch.lang) in Rockbox (on Ondio) 21.44.37 # something we should consider ... people who need much help won't read an online help. Those kind of people usually don't read the manual as well ... 21.44.43 # amiconn: What is your argument though? The spinup is a non-issue, seriuosly. Everything the user does costs battery power.. 21.44.44 # Btw, there would be quite some delay as well (on hdd targets) 21.44.45 # pixelma: urgh. Sounds like a bug to me ;-) 21.45.05 # amiconn: again, the user asked for something, I don't think he'll find it unreasonable that it takes a bit to fetch the info 21.45.12 # amiconn: noone is suggesting automatic context help.. it would be with a button press 21.45.27 # do we have enough room for more buttons? 21.45.33 # JdGordon|w: actually, I was... but I've mostly abandoned the idea 21.45.36 # s/buttons/button actions/ 21.45.48 # we do in the setting screens 21.45.50 # bluebrother: could be a problem with the manual in text form too (well yes, currently) but I'm not sure, you'll have fun reading it in one txt anyways... 21.45.50 # * amiconn wonders how JdGordon will magiaclly make additional buttons appear 21.45.50 # scorche|w: Not really, but we do have room in the context-menu 21.45.57 # every target has at least one spare one 21.46.06 # scorche|w: That's why i was suggesting just making it an option in the context menu 21.46.15 # rasher: The issue is spinups or ram cost, plus binsize, plus delay. And rockbox isn't so cryptic that you can't get by without *context sensitive* help 21.46.29 Join FrankOtto [0] (n=gonzo@p5B0726D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.46.40 # So far I haven't seen any portable device that offers context sensitive help, and I think that's for a reason 21.46.45 # A good reason as well 21.46.46 # JdGordon|w: oh? what button would it be on h120 for example? 21.46.51 # so we shouldnt innovate? 21.46.53 # amiconn: Ever seen a Nokia phone? 21.47.05 # yes 21.47.08 # my sony mobile also does it 21.47.17 # preglow: ion the setting screen the usual conext button is not used 21.47.23 # amiconn: We can eliminate most of the RAM cost and Binsize by making it a plugin. Spinups and battery life I think people can deal with if they need it badly. 21.47.29 # JdGordon|w: I don't believe your spare button statement 21.47.41 # and this is one example where i would not mind functionality being in a plugin... 21.47.53 # pixelma: see my answert to preglow 21.47.54 # You would still need the hooks 21.48.01 # the hooks are tiny 21.48.03 # But they could be fairly minimal 21.48.10 # JdGordon|w: then the user would need to remember that button ... 21.48.23 # but really, how much useful info can we fit in? and will this be maintained? most devs don't really touch the manual, and i expect this to be the same 21.48.24 # amiconn: you may not think Rockbox is cryptic, but you're not a user. You're a developer, and one who knows the guts of Rockbox very well. 21.48.27 # and where would he find that button except...in the manual? 21.48.42 # unless we want to have nice little reminder popups like windows 21.48.46 # i'd rather people maintain the manual than add this stuff, really 21.48.58 # but this isnt a manual replacement anyway... 21.49.08 # * JdGordon|w fails to see what useful info would be in the xml anyway 21.49.12 # JdGordon|w: what's the usual context button in the settings screen (just to be clear what you're thinking about, can't imagine atm) 21.49.14 # I don't understand this manual vs. context-sensitive help thing. It's a completely false dichotomy 21.49.16 # JdGordon|w: no, but it'll suffer from the same problems, outdated info, not everything covered, etc 21.49.20 # it is hard enough to keep the manual current let alone both the manual and these help actions 21.49.26 # rasher: I even have to use a Nokia phone for work every now and then, and while I really hate those confusing menus (worse than any othe rmobile phone I used so far, and worse than rockbox as well), they do not offer context sensitive hep 21.49.27 # preglow: Well ideally, what we'd do is have something condense the manual for on-target reading via a plugin. Then let that plugin accept a parameter, that the UI can pass it, for context specific help. (In my mind this is the ideal, at least) 21.49.29 # pixelma: the usual _list_ context button 21.49.32 # rasher: it's not a manual vs context help, i just suspect it won't be maintained 21.49.35 # so, how about adding a "manual" entry in the plugins menu to open it? 21.49.38 # preglow: Then, so long as the manual is maintained, and the appropriate anchors exist, it'll work 21.49.47 # What does "Data abort at 00061180 (0)" mean ? I got it by adding __attribute__((packed)) to a struct 21.49.50 # amiconn: They very much do, unless that phone is older than 6-7 years. It might be turned off though. 21.50.00 # gevaerts: it means the cpu just did an unaligned access 21.50.10 # gevaerts: arm needs data members aligned to their own size 21.50.25 # gevaerts: packing a struct is asking for trouble on arm, unless gcc knows about that packing 21.50.28 # JdGordon|w: I'm sorry to not have that in mind, I still don't know what you mean but don't mind... 21.50.50 # amiconn: Nokia phones certainly do - sit on an entry for a little bit and it'll pop up telling you what that option does 21.51.03 # pixelma: even the ondio has a context menu in the browser doesnt it? 21.51.10 # preglow: unfortunately I need to put odd-sized structs back-to-back for usb purposes... 21.51.11 # we have a html version of the manual. What do you think about an extended txt viewer that can parse the links in the html and display the rest? 21.51.24 # * amiconn hasn't seen anything pop up on that phone 21.51.46 # Every Nokia I have ever owned (8 different models) has done it 21.51.52 # amiconn: As I said, it might be turned off, but I'm pretty sure every Series 40 phone has it, presumably also the rest 21.51.55 # But anyway, a little OT 21.51.55 # gevaerts: sounds weird that gcc doesn't make properly align-proof accesses if it knows about the struct packing 21.52.13 # petur: I found some specs for my CF card from the vendor directly, now i'm trying to make sense of the set_features command (EFh)... 21.52.16 # JdGordon|w: ok, now I see 21.52.16 # gevaerts: worst case, you have to pick out the struct members byte by byte manually... 21.52.43 # * bluebrother checks his old phone 21.52.46 # FrankOtto: good. I got no response from A-Data 21.52.50 # gevaerts: since bytes are always aligned to their own size 21.53.10 # ... my spec says that the arguments must be passed in the registers FR (features register) and DH (card/drive/head register) 21.53.46 # preglow: I'll try memcpy. 21.53.48 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.53.56 # gevaerts: that should do nicely 21.53.59 # i'm wondering if this DH is the same as ATA_NSECTOR, which the rockbox code uses. any idea? 21.53.59 # Nokia 6510 has an online help 21.54.11 # gevaerts: as long as you're copying entire structs 21.54.54 # preglow: Can't it handle inividual 2-byte members ? 21.55.03 # gevaerts: as long as they're aligned to 2 bytes 21.55.13 # gevaerts: ahh, forget that, yes it can 21.55.41 # but it'll be slower than doing it byte by byte, but of course prettier, and does what you want just for testing 21.55.49 # petur: if you're interested, http://www.transcend.de/support/dlcenter/datasheet/Datasheet%20CF133_1GB_32GB_.pdf 21.55.50 # rasher: Not 100% sure what the exact type is, most probably an 5140 (massive outdoor brick thing) 21.56.15 # * preglow just stopped using his 5140 :) 21.56.27 # that does not have a help system, afaik 21.56.29 # petur: ATA command set starts on page 52 21.56.31 # preglow: it's just 4 copies, once for every usb connection, so speed doesn't matter here 21.56.47 # My own mobile phone doesn't have context help either 21.57.40 # anyway, it would be a nice feature if implemented properly, and that means devs will actually have to write good-quality help and update it 21.57.48 # amiconn: Settings > Phone settings > Help text activation on the 5140. 21.57.51 # * bluebrother still uses 6100 -- the 6510 was getting sporadic dropout so he swapped 21.58.27 # and translate it... 21.58.43 # preglow: Well, the manual isn't translated either 21.59.00 # no it's not, but the rest of rockbox is, you'd much more expect on-device help to be translate than the manual 21.59.08 # +d 21.59.20 Join iPOD [0] (n=93ebbe02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ef08d88eb238730) 21.59.57 Quit iPOD (Client Quit) 22.00.37 Join ConstyXIV [0] (n=Andrew@74-128-188-193.dhcp.insightbb.com) 22.00.55 # Imho an option should be understandable by its name. And if someone doesn't understand it even though the name was chosen carefully, I fail to see how a *necessarily* short help text would clarify that 22.01.06 # is there a reason my sansa c200 resets when I plug in the USB? 22.01.19 # I wouldn't mind an html viewer at all though, that's an entirely different thing 22.01.22 # amiconn: rockbox has some truly whacky options that aren't easily explained by the name 22.01.23 # amiconn: What? You don't see how a sentence could explain more than a single word or a few? 22.01.43 # "dithering", for example, heh 22.01.44 # And if we have that, we could of course ship the manual in the .zip 22.02.12 # * rasher got creative when translating Crossfeed 22.02.33 # i don't even remember what i translated that to, but it's not very easily understandable 22.02.35 # ConstyXIV: rockbox doesn't support usb properly yet, so it reboots back to the OF 22.02.38 # ConstyXIV: what do you mean? It should boot into the original firmware for the USB connection currently 22.02.43 # ah 22.02.45 # i see 22.02.58 # that's what i figured 22.04.12 # but no, what would the smallest possible overhead be per setting for this? just a small id integer added to each setting? 22.06.06 # preglow: there is no extra overhead needed.... each setting already has a unique ID 22.06.13 # the LANG_ identifier 22.06.19 # so just the overhead for calling the plugin, then? 22.06.34 # yes 22.06.44 # And making all menu entries have a context-menu 22.06.51 # no 22.07.06 # Ah, you're on the "secret button press" team 22.07.12 # umm... i was going to put it in the setting screen... but in the menu would be ok also 22.07.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.07.27 # rememver how brilliantly geeric the menu code is? the extra code is tiny 22.07.40 # BUT that file (the way i see it) wont be usefull for this anyway 22.07.52 # well there are context menus in the main menu - how would you access the help there? 22.07.56 # JdGordon|w: it'd be the obvious place to store the text though 22.08.06 # not if you want the file autogened 22.08.18 # but yes, it would 22.08.40 # actually.... we could have it autogenned from the .c and a txt file elsewhere with the info 22.08.44 # JdGordon|w: The file could be autogenned and pull the text from elsewhere ( field in the translation?) 22.08.44 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 22.08.50 # snap! 22.09.15 # * rasher thinks again 22.09.37 # hmm, but that would increase the size of the lang files 22.09.46 # no it wouldnt... 22.09.53 # oh no, not if it's left out upon creation 22.10.02 # * bluebrother tired 22.10.21 # the .lang would grow, but the .lng would be the same 22.10.22 # Putting the translation into the file directly wouldn't work, unless you want the file to be huge 22.10.34 # (containing all translations at once) 22.10.42 # FrankOtto, amiconn: CF 4.1 spec says SET_FEATURES uses Command, SecCnt and Feature. Transcend specifies Card/Drive/Head. This must be a fault in the transcend datasheet, right? 22.10.44 # keep in mind whatever system you implement will have to tackle being target dependent 22.10.47 # petur: ok, page 71 of my spec details the SET_FEATURE command. it says it supports the 0x05 feature (advanced power management), which rockbox's set_features() tries to set. but it doesn't say what it makes of the additional parameter (rockbox sends 0x80), maybe it doesn't care? 22.10.54 # on of course, translation would be nice 22.11.10 # Actually, storing it in an xml file would be absolutely braindead. 22.11.28 # Ignore everything I've ever said. 22.11.29 # yep. 22.11.39 # except if you'd use that xml file for rbutil 22.11.40 # ... 2 seperate issues though... 22.11.41 # Could be build in parallel with the xml though 22.11.51 # petur: i think the overview on p52 of transcend's spec is wrong, the detailed spec on p71 says it uses "sec cnt" for the argument.. 22.12.23 # aha 22.12.26 # ... but it also needs bit 4 in C/D/H set to "drive". i still need to find out what that means. 22.12.50 # rasher: context sensitive issue actuallly has nothing to do with what the .xml was for, and doesnt need that to work... save it as help..txt and a plyugin can read it easily 22.12.56 # FrankOtto: those pages are an exact copy of the CF 4 spec ;) 22.13.49 # JdGordon|w: yeah, I was just reminded in an "oh, if we already have a file with menu info on the device" sort of way 22.13.50 # except for the feature tables which they removed 22.14.21 # * amiconn should probably accept what rasher offered, stop talking about useless feature creep, and try to get some of his todo's actually done :\ 22.14.47 # petur: i see. i think c/d/h correspons to rockbox's ATA_SELECT 22.15.00 # amiconn: we'll commit it when you're not looking 22.15.21 # amiconn: well, at least when it doesn't really entail any big overhead in bin size or other things... 22.15.32 # i'd prefer it if people just beefed up the manual, but hey, that's me 22.16.00 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.16.05 # petur: so the CF-4 spec also says that "drive" should be set for the SET_FEATURES command? 22.16.09 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.11 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-108804.home.otenet.gr) 22.16.39 Join micols_ [0] (n=micols@scharff.fys.ku.dk) 22.16.39 # FrankOtto: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/cfspc4_1.pdf 22.17.06 # are all ipod nano's supported by rockbox? i had a few issues with flac playback, and it didnt even play mp3's correctly last time i tried (about 1year ago) 22.17.10 # this is somehow ironic, thinking of last weeks discussion about... a feature 22.17.15 # its a ipod nano white 4gb 22.17.26 # micols_: works fine for me 22.17.35 # micols_: depends what you mean "all features", though 22.17.41 # FrankOtto: I was saying the detailed stuff (page 71) is copied from the CF spec 22.17.46 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.18.05 # preglow: do you have a white 4gb? 22.18.06 # petur: thanks, dling the cf-spec now :) 22.18.10 # if so , can i try your config ? 22.18.11 # micols_: white 2gb 22.18.13 # hm 22.18.17 Quit madspin (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.18 # not good for me then :( 22.18.26 # micols_: it runs the same rockbox... 22.18.35 # micols_: anyway, my config is very basic, i pretty much run default rockbox 22.18.41 # okay 22.18.42 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.18.43 # so it won't help you far 22.18.49 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88e4a941a6c525ad) 22.18.52 # couldnt get rockbox to work on linux anyway :( 22.18.55 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.18.58 # only the windows installer worked 22.19.01 # micols_: try again, should be simpler now 22.19.04 # if not, tell us 22.19.12 # okay 22.19.14 # Rockbox Utility is available for linux ... what was your problem? 22.19.15 # petur: i'm pretty sure now that "drive" means master (0) or slave (1). at least that's how rockbox uses it. 22.19.19 # i'm the guy that ported to nano in the first place, so anything you think doesn't work is of course interesting 22.19.27 # bluebrother: this was a year ago 22.19.30 # bluebrother: last year? 22.19.38 # uhm i had a problem that it couldnt find my ipod at first iirc and then it found it but it didnt work, i dont completely remember 22.19.50 # i found out how to make it find my ipod.. but it still didnt install. 22.19.51 # micols_: using ipodpatcher these days is dead simple 22.19.58 # micols_: we also have rbutil if you want a gui 22.20.12 # * bluebrother missed that. 22.21.33 # petur: i'm also pretty sure that's not the culprit, as it's uses all over the place in the ata code, rockbox takes care to set this right. 22.21.46 # im not sure my ipod nano is a first-gen, but it might be. its a 4gb white. 22.21.57 # and i bought it almost when it came out iirc. 22.22.02 # if it isn't a 1st gen it won't run Rockbox ;-) 22.22.14 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1d28bf85f7739af7) 22.22.15 # isn't the rbutil linux binary that's still available in the wiki the one with the bug in the "complete installation"? 22.22.24 # that might have been the problem bluebrother ... it did run, but everything was slowed down 22.22.30 # couldnt even play mp3's at full speed 22.22.39 # and flac was even worse 22.22.48 # videos worked fine, however. 22.23.00 # and the buffer-stats page seemed ok. 22.23.10 # micols_: if rockbox ran _at all_ it's a first gen 22.23.17 # okay :) 22.23.32 # whatever method you tried to install rockbox would probably have puked like crazy if you tried to feed it anything else 22.23.35 # just weird it couldnt even play mp3's at fullspeed, is there no such known issue? 22.23.49 # micols_: plays mp3s like a bastard here, and anything else i give it 22.23.56 # :) 22.24.01 # ill retry it then 22.24.06 # won't hurt 22.24.14 # at least i hope it won't :) 22.24.37 # Why does linux lie to me ? It says that my configuration desciptor reports 1 interface, but rockbox puts 2 in the descriptor, and a usbmon trace agrees 22.24.51 # gevaerts: perhaps that too hates you know :/ 22.24.58 # now, at least 22.25.36 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f010@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6dbe02f74b5c3f2b) 22.26.04 # where do I get the linux-installer, i'd prefer that over non-gui right now, as im tired :) 22.26.22 # I only got a .zip 22.26.32 # micols_: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility has the links 22.26.59 # preglow: can you please make sure and add your name to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008 ? 22.27.37 # scorche|w: right 22.27.48 # OK, so I started making a theme using viewports, but I want to use more than one font. I read somewhere that you can define two fonts currently, the font being used in the wps and the system font. How would I define this in the code using the viewports sim/build? 22.27.49 # ./rbutilqt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./rbutilqt) damn :( 22.28.31 # well, you can still build it yourself from soures. It's rather easy if you have the toolchain and Qt4 installed 22.29.52 # And why does the hold button not change after it's been activated? 22.30.00 # i compiled it last time from svn, perhaps i got a broken version, since it didnt even play mp3s :) 22.31.24 # scorche|w: done 22.31.25 # it was very nice except for that, hope it works this time. 22.32.32 # preglow: and tickets are more insane from US > europe than vice-versa me thinks.. ;) 22.32.34 # micols_: well, leech yourself a daily build and you won't have to 22.32.57 # scorche|w: nah, norway taxes make prices extra snappy from this direction 22.33.18 Part idak 22.33.24 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.33.28 # they even out the currency exchange rate? 22.34.04 # Ãperhaps, i haven't checked too closely anyway, cheaper fares probably pop up if i do and go along with flying Air Afghanistan or something 22.34.28 # doesn't sound very trustworthy. 22.34.53 # * bluebrother checked the distance to petur's place today -- could even travel by train 22.34.54 # it also happens to be made up :P 22.35.07 # petur: by any chance, have you tried sending other powermgmt levels than 0x80 ? 22.35.16 # yes 22.35.22 # if devcon ends up in belgium and i attend, you're all responsible for keeping my (somewhat) sober :) 22.35.22 Quit ConstyXIV (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.23 # any luck? 22.35.26 # none 22.35.28 # my/me 22.35.35 # :-( 22.35.37 # I was in Niger working in 2005 - I had the choice between Air France, Air Morocco and Air Libya (via Tripoli) to get there 22.35.42 # It was a choice of two... 22.35.43 # preglow: :) 22.37.01 # * BigBambi votes for Belgium - a short train ride for me :) 22.37.07 # + beer! 22.37.12 # oh yes, the beer 22.37.13 # beercon 22.37.16 # * scorche|w checks flight prices to belgium 22.37.19 # hel yes 22.37.23 # *hell 22.37.31 # helles yes 22.37.34 # I'm practically in Belgium anyway 22.38.17 # westmallecon 22.38.25 # preglow: in case devcon ends up in the us why not have an additional rockbox-enabled beercon? ;-) 22.38.35 # ChimayCon 22.38.46 # bluebrother: if it ends up in the us and i'm attending, there's _no way in hell_ you're keeping me sober :P 22.38.48 # Gentlemen, choose your colour 22.38.55 # OUCH 22.39.15 # * scorche|w sees a 1400USD flight ticket 22.39.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.40.06 # preglow: still think belgium > US is cheaper? =/ 22.40.09 # scorche|w: that's the price range we're talking, yeah 22.40.47 # 1400 USD to US or to belgium? 22.40.59 # to belgium 22.41.14 # ouch :( 22.41.48 # but i would have to look around once a place is more defined...it is sometimes cheaper to plan a bunch of small flights to major hubs than a direct flight to one area 22.41.55 Quit bertrik ("bye") 22.42.03 # Hmm, Paris to NY is looking at €470 here for Fri to Mon mid June 22.42.04 # especially when you use EU flight sites... 22.42.27 # BigBambi: 686 USD 22.42.35 # yeah 22.42.42 # a bit if a difference.. 22.42.55 # * BigBambi struggles to spell Brussels in French to check that 22.43.33 # from me to de gaulle is 1462USD 22.43.44 # €440 for that - and I'm closer to Bruxelles 22.43.52 # scorche: added. 22.44.38 # * scorche|w makes a note to refrain from eating and to live in his car for a month so he can afford devcon 22.44.52 # * petur gtg 22.44.58 Quit petur ("gonne") 22.45.02 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.45.48 # Jesus - of that €440 Bruxelles to NY, €247,00 is flights, €189 is tax 22.46.02 # ffs, that is insane 22.46.38 # * gevaerts is now copying data using the new transfer descriptor handling scheme 22.46.50 # gevaerts: \o/ 22.46.54 # yay gevaerts 22.46.58 # * preglow throws confetti 22.47.04 # gevaerts: Closer to serial? 22.47.12 # BigBambi: ok...you can take the 1400USD payment...i will pay twice your rate 22.47.19 # how do i set my ipod into disk mode (nano ) , i got the boot loader onto it now 22.47.27 # but it wont find it anymore, it is in rockbox mainmenu 22.47.28 # rasher: serial works, or ums works. Still not both. 22.47.38 # scorche|w: Those flight costs for you are madness 22.47.50 # I hope this one reduces or eliminates the resets 22.48.06 # BigBambi: hence why i have been saying the whole time about the US dollar... 22.48.11 # gevaerts: so still no idea why the resets? 22.48.30 # scorche|w: dollar or not, 1400 USD is MUCH more than 470 euros 22.48.50 # well, his cost was france > belgium i think 22.48.59 # not france to us 22.49.13 # scorche|w: Oh, I agree that the US would be overall cheaper, and I have no problem with going there - my EU preference is purely selfish about how much *I* would have to pay - €440 flight vs €50 train 22.49.23 # BigBambi: how much is it from france to the US using one of the french sites? 22.49.24 # preglow: the transfers were handled in a pretty hacky way, so I wouldn't be surprised if that caused them. I'll know soon(ish) 22.49.38 # scorche: That was France to US, then Belgium to US 22.49.54 # micols_, that is covered in the manual 22.50.02 # 440 euro was?!?! 22.50.06 # France - US €470, Belgium - US €440 on a French site (www.govayages.fr) 22.50.11 # oh wow..... 22.50.28 # For me (Lille) to Belgium is €50 odd on the train 22.50.36 # BigBambi: well, either way with the opposition and resistance that has been happening against having a devcon in the US, i would bet it will end up in the EU somewhere... 22.50.50 # If we'll have devcon in belgium, I'd probably go by car 22.50.55 # Bagder: you agree? 22.51.16 # gevaerts: cool, exciting :) 22.51.41 # scorche|w: agree to your bet? 22.51.45 # amiconn: i'll need a car for beer transportation anyway ;) 22.51.48 # Can somebody please take a look at this wps code > http://pastebin.com/d19161dc3 and tell me what I'm doing that makes the hold switch icon activated even when turned off? It uses viewports commands by the way... 22.52.05 # Bagder: well, my current view on the situation 22.52.06 # scorche|w: As I say, my EU preference is purely selfish - €470 France to Us compared to €50 France to Belgium - I completely agree that EU to US is overall cheaper 22.52.27 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0FCC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.52.44 # preglow: I hoped the same thing tuesday, but that one didn't work out. 22.52.46 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 22.52.48 # I see tickets for ~380 euros from stockholm to NY 22.52.52 # And I mistyped - www.govoyages.fr 22.52.54 # even with the price difference, it simply isnt worth it if people will outright refuse to attend in the US 22.53.24 # I have only selfish monitory reasons :) 22.53.46 # Bagder: with what airline? 22.53.51 # klm 22.54.07 # amiconn: you said earlier that the powermgmt value 0x80 is chosen such that the disk won't go into standby, right? 22.54.08 # but I just checked the rate I can get right now, not for any later date 22.54.39 # it didnt reboot into disk mode as it should krazykit 22.54.45 # but it worked now, after a reboot of it. 22.54.49 # I checked for buying now for fri - mon mid June, and got €440 bruxelles - JFK, NY 22.55.16 # that is just plain mad 22.55.35 # And as I say, 40% of that is tax :) 22.55.38 # Bagder: rates are almost certainly higher in june 22.56.02 # but if someone has a place for me to crash until then :) 22.56.03 # BigBambi: even if 200% was tax, it would still be cheaper =/ 22.56.03 # yeah, then it is roughly 480 22.56.09 # Although if I was going all the way to NY I would probably want to stay for a bit longer 22.56.16 # Lowest I found for Berlin->NY was ~810 EUR (in June) 22.56.22 # * BigBambi remembers he has a friend that has just emigrated to NY 22.57.09 # FrankOtto: yes 22.57.42 # amiconn: i now read in the CF spec that for CF sleep mode and standby mode are the same... 22.58.01 # Rockbox should retain control over when the disk spins down. Otherwise the setting wouldn't make sense 22.58.15 # For cf it probably doesn't matter at all 22.58.37 # probably, as there's nothing to spin down 22.58.55 Join keanu [0] (n=none@unaffiliated/keanu) 22.58.56 # But the card shouldn't fail on that command, i.e. it should adhere to the specs 22.59.43 # Unless we're doing something wrong - but I fail to see what that could be in case of programming the advanced power management feature 22.59.49 # the spec says: on SLEEP, card sets BSY, then enters SLEEP, then clears BSY, then generates an interrupt. huh. 22.59.52 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 22.59.54 # The card claims to support it 23.00.31 # i still wonder how i can "output" the ATA status registers. 23.00.45 # is it safe to update the screen from inside the ATA code? 23.01.21 # any advice? 23.01.30 # You could use logf() 23.01.49 # That is, if the error doesn't freeze the whole device 23.02.06 # You need to be able to at least enter the debug menu and view the logf buffer 23.02.35 # no, at the moment, my device fails the SLEEP command, but apart from a constantly-on LED, it keeps working 23.03.01 # so accessing the debug menu will be possible 23.03.14 # thanks for advice, i'll try this 23.06.23 # amiconn: what might also be of interest: the CF spec says that the SLEEP behaviour is slightly different from the ATA spec, namely the device will enter SLEEP by itself when some internal timer expires, and this timer defaults to 5msec for CF, and ATA uses a different timer value (they don't say which one) 23.09.15 # * gevaerts notices that fligh prices are extremely sensitives to all sorts of variables. They are much cheaper if you don't fly back the same week... 23.11.45 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.12.18 # amiconn: would dumping ATA_STATUS, ATA_ALT_STATUS & ATA_ERROR suffice? 23.12.29 # * scorche|w would like to see a statistical workup/chart/formula for flight prices 23.13.21 # scorche|w: That would probably get you disappeared faster than inventing free energy 23.13.43 # * gevaerts starts working on this free energy thing 23.13.46 # scorche|w: Would be good, but perhaps only useful if a central fund were paying - otherwise it is going to be purely what costs me less 23.14.18 # BigBambi: i meant more for the variables gevaerts mentioned 23.14.43 # scorche|w: Blimey 23.14.52 # That is a little complicated! 23.15.11 # I thought of just who is coming from where + prices 23.15.52 # naw...that is easy to work up 23.16.03 # gevaerts: any resets spotted yet? :> 23.16.40 # preglow: unfortunately yes. Followd by an error that caused a disconnect, so this is actually worse than before 23.18.06 # The good news is that it was after writing 280MB 23.20.22 Quit Rob222241 (No route to host) 23.21.15 # How do I remove the original apple firmware, I dont like "dual-boot" ? 23.21.25 # At this point I think that the version in svn is the most stable, and the one I have here is technically the cleanest (but it's not ready yet) 23.21.34 # including all original apple files, i removed the Notes, iPod_Control etc. 23.21.42 # and took backup of my music. 23.22.11 # I want to do it after i have added the rockbox bootloader+files.. i dont want to dd it and remove all files, only apple files 23.22.14 # gevaerts: well, here's hoping there are still bugs :> 23.22.54 # * gevaerts thinks that preglow's hope might come true 23.22.59 # micols_: there's not much point in removing the apple firmware apart from freeing thirty megs of flash space or so 23.23.10 # micols_: can't remember exactly how to permanently remove it, though 23.23.17 # * preglow thinks linuxstb__ knows 23.23.25 # its probably dd with bs and count from to bytes 23.23.31 # on the firmware partition 23.23.39 # you can install the bootloader into the firmware partition instead of adding it to the image 23.23.54 # perhaps i should just clear my firmware partitition completely 23.23.59 # speeds up booting a tiny bit. 23.24.04 # with dd and re-install rockbox bootloader onto it again. 23.24.34 # you can install the bootloader directly using ipodpatcher 23.24.45 # ipodpatcher does only mess with firmware partition right? 23.24.52 # yes. 23.25.15 # micols_: but to make any point at all to removing retailos, you pretty much need to resize the firmware partition 23.25.16 # ill try dd'ing the sdc1 and installing bootloader again. then i should get rid of apple. 23.25.37 # yeah preglow , i know. well, i just want to get rid of apple at this moment :) 23.25.50 # somewhere in the future it should be resized, when i get the time :) 23.25.50 # amiconn: my debug menu doesn't show a logf entry at all. does that need some special build option? 23.26.04 # you'd still see the apple logo ... 23.26.10 # i would get around 75MB space, perhaps up to 80M 23.26.21 # if the bootloader is only 512 bytes :) 23.26.43 # bluebrother: why? 23.26.50 # is it coded into rockbox? 23.26.50 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 23.27.05 # the bootloader is bigger than 512 bytes. The bootsector is 512 bytes. 23.27.16 # FrankOtto: yes. say Advanced to configure, and then choose Logf. Don't forget to enable logf in the files from which you want output 23.27.18 # because that part is in flash memory of the Ipod 23.27.29 # ah.. thought so, like the disk-only mode 23.27.33 # gevaerts: thanks! 23.27.39 # the flash also contains the emergency disc mode 23.28.07 # and that's quite a good security net to not brick your Ipod. 23.28.18 # its not possible to edit the flash memory using usb? 23.28.30 # put a pizza-slice in instead of the apple i.e. 23.28.31 Part low_light 23.29.08 # well, if you figure out how the flash works and are comfortable with the risk bricking your Ipod, feel free to try ;-) 23.29.09 # its probably ROM, so its not writeable or? 23.29.26 # it is writeable. Itunes writes this on updates afaik. 23.29.40 # ah yeah, seems right 23.29.55 # But you can probably only do it wrong once... 23.30.00 # gevaerts: with "enable logf" you mean #include "logf.h" ? 23.30.05 # hehe yeah. 23.30.16 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.30.35 # FrankOtto: most files have a commented out #define LOGF_ENABLE near the top. That needs to be activated. 23.30.57 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2f514ecc6a2f782d) 23.31.07 # ah, i'll check 23.31.14 # anyway, gtg now. cu. 23.31.19 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.31.51 # i just replaced my nano battery, almost melted the board with 290C :D 23.32.02 # but works fine.. 18hrs instead of 1hour battery time now 23.32.26 # i dont look forward to the next time. 23.33.43 # JdGordon|w, any ideas on the cause of bug in lists using viewports (FS#8457) in which scrolling contents aren't cleared when going to another screen? 23.34.38 # yes, the scrolling isnt stopped 23.36.08 # any ideas on what causes it to not be stopped (and how could it be fixed?) 23.38.08 # I'm doing another copy. It's now copied 450MB of files to the sansa without any resets, and still going. 23.38.18 # display->dtop_scrol() isnt being called 23.38.35 # The sound is working fine now.. must have gotten a bad svn version. 23.38.47 # umpf. my logf output contains only garbage :( 23.39.33 # I guess that means I was right about the cause of these resets, but as long as it fails hard sometimes it can't really be called better than the previous code... 23.39.41 # FrankOtto: what kind of garbage ? 23.40.42 # where would display->dtop_scrol() need to be placed for it to work? 23.41.24 # gevaerts: binary garbage :) 23.41.55 # I suspect I just install the complete build and not just RoLo the new rockbox.iriver... 23.43.20 # FrankOtto: I think I have used a new rockbox.mi4 with logf enabled in an install where it was not, but I'm not sure 23.44.08 # keanu: everywhere its missing obviously... 23.44.17 # * JdGordon|w not in a helpful mood atm. busy 23.44.26 # ok, sorry 23.46.05 Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@ip-1.50.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) 23.46.07 # hey all 23.47.01 # Could someone with a non-3G ipod who is using linux do a quick test for me ? I would like to verify if this high-speed USB issue is really portalplayer related, and not just sansa. 23.47.36 # Being able to compile your own builds with current svn is a requirement 23.48.09 # I'd be able to help, except I only have a sansa 23.48.33 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.48.49 # gevaerts: it doesn't make a difference, a complete install shows the same logf garbage 23.49.13 # e.g. the hexdump starts with "31 11 a2 6c 31 11 a2 70 31 11 a2 74 31 11 a2 78" 23.49.16 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 23.49.29 # FrankOtto: interesting. I don't know much about logf, but from what I saw of the code it shouldn't be able to generate that itself 23.49.32 Nick _MindScape is now known as MindScape (i=tranquil@ifconfig.and.set.your.eth0.linux.info.ve) 23.49.43 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.50.06 # gevaerts: right, i'll dig some more 23.50.57 # FrankOtto: isn't that part of a FAT table or something similar ? 23.52.57 Join Administrator [0] (n=chatzill@74-136-169-157.dhcp.insightbb.com) 23.53.29 # My file copy just completed. I copied 750MB to the sansa, without resets, in 32 minutes (403 kb/s) 23.53.57 # gevaerts: no idea 23.54.16 # FrankOtto: they are 32-bit numbers inr 23.54.26 # incremented by 4 each... 23.55.04 # when rockbox gets USB Host functionality, can it then be controlled by mouse? 23.55.10 Quit Administrator (Client Quit) 23.56.11 Quit ender (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.56.38 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 23.56.38 # tessarakt: You will be able to control it by mouse, attach your USB speakers, and print out the usage statistics while watching TV using a USB tuner. Of course, someone will have to write drivers for all this. 23.56.39 # gevaerts: you are right, that's the overall pattern. from time to time some spaces (0x20) are added. 23.57.04 # gevaerts: cool :-) 23.57.13 Join KennethScharf [0] (n=4ae95c49@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2b899e1ac4f421cd) 23.57.19 # tessarakt: when can you start working on it ? 23.57.31 # hm 23.57.42 # 3,5 years, approx.? 23.58.23 # but the TV tuner idea is really good! ;-) 23.58.25 # Hello... I just filled out the twiki form and would like write access so I can add my experience with the CF conversion of a gigabeat unit 23.58.44 # FrankOtto: do you also have that on an otherwise clean svn checkout ? 23.58.44 # but, maybe, like Google Summer of Code students? 23.58.47 # anyone know how to change the rockbox logo at startup , and has some extras? 23.58.59 # i saw one at a forum once