--- Log for 17.02.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.32 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.00.41 # Davide-NYC: I think this is right. 00.00.56 # but personally, I don't want to mess with the bootloader... 00.01.10 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.01.30 # It seems to be highly discouraged to install your own. 00.01.59 # yes, brick-risk 00.02.06 # Understood. I am now going to re-enable the RTC. 00.02.32 # Davide-NYC: I'd like to ask you for one more test. 00.02.53 # I was just about to ask you both what you needed me to look out for. 00.03.51 # as I mentioned (in the wiki), this patch disables a call to ide_poweroff . I did this because otherwise my disk access LED stays on during "sleep" (i.e. when the "disk" is idle) 00.04.17 # my LED is off 00.04.54 # yes, because my patch works around LED=on, but it's an evi hack. can you edit ata.c again, lines 852-854 have been commented out by my patch. 00.05.04 Quit desowin () 00.05.10 # evi->evil 00.05.48 # please uncomment these lines again, so that the call to ide_power_enable(false) does happen. 00.05.58 # rebuild etc. 00.06.05 # that bit about mutex_lock? 00.06.07 Part linuxstb ("Ex-Chat") 00.06.35 # yes, the three lines: mutex_lock, ide_power_enable, mutex_unlock 00.06.48 # I'll do that right after I put in RTC. 00.06.56 # (one thing at a time) 00.06.56 # ok, thanks. 00.06.57 # amiconn: I tried running always relaxed timings -> ok. Next I tried setting relaxed timings just before power-on but that fails. I can't of course guarantee that there's no boost/unboost between power-on and set_features.... 00.07.49 # next step is to use a global pio mode flag and look at that when boosting 00.08.04 # will be for tomorrow, gtg now 00.08.14 Quit petur ("gonne") 00.08.52 # my make failed with RTC enabled :-( 00.09.01 # In my case, this causes the disk access LED to turn on on "disk spindown", i.e. after some time without disk activity. How soon that happens is set by Settings>General>System>Disk>Disk Spindown 00.09.04 # make clean, reconfig, fingers crossed 00.10.43 # LOL @ "evil hacks" in the wiki. 00.11.14 # :) 00.11.55 # Happy birthday kugel!! 00.12.03 # Yo, happy birthday 00.12.05 # :P 00.12.14 # kugel: thanks 00.12.50 # cygwin = slowest make ever :( 00.13.12 # Davide-NYC: ah, you use windows... 00.13.25 # * Davide-NYC ducks 00.14.19 # here, a full make (I use -j3) takes less than a minute... my PC is too fast ;) 00.15.51 # * gevaerts gives kugel a mirror 00.16.24 # gevaerts: I can imagine better birthday presents! :/ 00.16.27 # :D 00.16.48 # * gevaerts also gives kugel two beers 00.17.00 # * FrankOtto gives cake to kugel 00.17.02 # for example beer 00.17.09 # or beer 00.17.12 # thanks dudes :) 00.17.16 # or cake* 00.17.25 # * FrankOtto takes cake away, it doesn't go well with beer. 00.17.29 # :P 00.17.43 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.18.12 # * FrankOtto gives cake back 00.18.29 # * gevaerts proposes to play musical cakes 00.19.35 # * FrankOtto is reminded of "Fashion Nugget" by "Cake" 00.25.05 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 00.27.22 # FrankOtto: LED works fine while transferring files. RTC works from CF card, also worked after flashing to RAM although it did freeze and require a reset. 00.27.40 # I will now compile with your lines uncommented. 00.29.54 # Davide-NYC: with my proposed patch (i.e. with ide_poweroff *disabled*) I was afraid that the device might use more power than usual. I've now been testing this for some time, letting my iriver simply sit around completely idle. On the first test run, battery went from 48% to 37% within two hours. Then I tested with ide_poweoff enabled, and it went from 37% to 28% within 1.5 hours, which is roughly the same rate (of course the LED was on 00.29.54 # all the time, I guess that needs power too). Now I've been testing again for almost another two hours with ide_poweroff disabled, and it's been sitting at 28%. Kinda strange... but the battery display was never very exact, I gues. 00.30.52 # I'd be willing to do a battery bench, even though I'd be using an original (tired) battery. 00.31.55 # OK, that would be nice, especially if you compare with a benchmark that was made with HD. 00.32.38 # DOes it have to be the same battery? (I have two H120s) 00.33.25 # For exact comparisons, I'd say yes. But do as you please, rough numbers are also helpful. 00.34.13 # I'll do some benchmarks myself (within the next days), as added battery runtime is one of the goals why I'm attempting this mod. 00.35.06 # is rolo enough or do I have to flash this build to RAM? 00.35.44 # I'm a little confused as to when rockbox.iriver is modified and when it isn't. 00.36.02 # no, rolo should be enough. 00.36.36 # Report: LED turns on during access and then turns off as it should AFAICT. 00.36.52 # what is your disk spindown setting? 00.37.12 # 5 s 00.37.33 # i see. so the LED stays off for you? 00.38.38 # Yess, it seems to turn on during buffer fill (I presume) and them it turns off as expercted. 00.38.43 # *expected 00.39.01 Join qwedsa_ [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 00.39.06 # in my case, it also turns off, but comes back on after the 5secs. 00.39.23 # then it stays on until i do another disk acess. :( 00.39.28 # I am not experiencing that behavior 00.39.39 # Good, I guess. 00.39.58 # That means my adapter or my card are doing something strange. Sigh. 00.40.01 # :) 00.40.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.40.17 # Where's your adapter from? 00.40.26 # I believe they are all the same 00.40.51 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.09 # I bought this one from eBay (linuxbeginner maybe?) and I have another doming in from dealtime soon. 00.41.24 # Mine doesn't have a jumper... though it's "prepared" to have one, but nobody put one on. 00.43.03 # Got it off eBay from "i88990" for 2$ ... with shipping from Hongkong it cost me 5.50 EUR ... maybe a bit too cheap, LOL 00.43.37 # FWIW mine has the jumper. 00.44.06 # I doubt the jumper has anything to do with the LED, as it only controls master/slave. 00.44.23 # Probably the card makes the difference. 00.44.25 # Wow, CF, RTC, all this thing needs is a way to charge from the USB port and it'll be perfect (for me at least). 00.44.55 # There are cables which let you charge it from USB, aren't there? 00.45.10 # I believe I saw them all over ebay. 00.45.18 # yes, but those regular mini usb cables can be found in every office. 00.45.39 # Ah, you want to charge with a regular cable? 00.45.41 # I often forget my $15 minisync cable. 00.46.50 # I might just jump the cables internally. BRB 00.47.00 # BTW, when you transfer files via USB to the CF-modded iriver, do you know what speed you get? 00.47.41 # I tested it briefly today, and while the HD gives me ~10MB/s, with the CF I only get ~2.5MB/s :-( 00.48.12 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 00.48.15 # Though my card is rated 133x which should mean ~20MB/s, so it shouldn't be slower than the HD 00.48.25 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.49.30 # what bitrate is WAV? 00.50.22 # 16*44100*2? 00.52.00 Quit qwedsa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.42 # yes, if it's cd-audio 00.55.55 Quit ender` (" In the west, Eastern religions are exotic and have strange powers. In the east, Western religions are exotic and have stran") 00.56.08 Quit HellDragon (Remote closed the connection) 00.56.17 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.56.47 # Davide-NYC: for CF, 1x = 150 kByte/s (so says Wikipedia) 00.57.19 # * gevaerts assumes that this is because CF cards use CD technology inside 00.57.27 # LOL 00.57.45 # So writing a stereo WAV requires 0.16 MB per second? 00.57.53 # * FrankOtto tries to find the eject button on the CF card 00.58.23 # My math seems to be in the ballpark. Can someone confirm? 00.58.46 # Davide-NYC: 0.17 MB/s 00.59.09 # Yes, I rounded wrong. 00.59.12 # HDTach says that I'm getting 12MB/s 00.59.13 # :) 00.59.43 # Is that reading or writing? 00.59.48 Join b_ [0] (n=b@dsl-133-119.aei.ca) 01.00.06 # Because reading for me is also quite fast, 11MB/s 01.01.10 # My writing benchmark wasn't very accurate, I simply copied 250MB of music files over and it took ~100s. 01.01.40 # And eventually I was planning to use a 32GB CF card, so filling that would take... 01.02.43 # 3-4 hours? 01.02.47 # It's a pity that the H1x0 doesn't use PP502x, otherwise that would make my full speed USB limitation a bit more acceptable (only 5 times slower instead of 25) 01.03.09 # Ah, I just remembered iometer. 01.03.15 # gevaerts: what's a PP502x? 01.03.48 # FrankOtto: PortalPlayer 5020..5024, the chips used in most ipods and the sansas 01.04.15 # That's the current target for my usb work 01.05.43 # * gevaerts also has a 2GB mp3 player from a brand that google's never heard of that only does full-speed USB. 01.06.08 # gevaerts: but transferring via USB to the original HD is quite fast for me, it's only my CF-modded H120 which is kinda slow. 01.07.48 # That's why this CF-mod would be such a perfect companion for this usb driver. They both are slow, so no one's at fault 01.08.29 # hm. maybe I shouldn't have reformatted the card to FAT32, as it was FAT16 originally. These flash controllers do quite some black magic with the filesystem, I've heard. 01.08.46 # 715MB in 75 seconds 01.09.07 Join b__ [0] (n=b@dsl-135-23.aei.ca) 01.09.17 # Size on disk is reported (by windows) as 698MB 01.09.50 # 9.5MB/s? I think that's pretty good. 01.09.51 # yes, it's probably the difference between M (=1000^2) and Mi (=1024^2)... 01.10.00 # indeed, pretty good. 01.10.27 # * gevaerts is going to sleep 01.10.35 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 01.10.37 Quit gevaerts ("ZZzz..") 01.10.59 # Still an hour to fill 32GB. 01.11.53 # Davide-NYC: then again, I won't transfer 32GB every day. 01.12.05 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.12.15 # FrankOtto: I want to sincerely thank you for the patch. 01.12.22 # Very very cool. 01.12.37 # Davide-NYC: you're welcome, and thank *you* for testing :) 01.13.18 # also, I only picked up the ideas from petur, so he deserves the most merit. 01.13.41 # It's late here, so I'll go to sleep. Bye. 01.13.52 # To all the devs: If anyone wants my 2GB 266x CF card for the exclusive purpose of fixing the GPIO timings so that the CF hardware mod is auto-detected please let me know and I will send it to you. 01.14.08 # Good night. 01.14.13 Quit FrankOtto ("Leaving") 01.14.24 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 01.16.01 Quit bernz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.06 Quit eightfold ("thanks for all the help today") 01.21.45 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 01.25.30 Quit b_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.27.47 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=stephen@adsl-71-153-209-213.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 01.31.20 Join bruck [0] (n=chatzill@189.13.106.93) 01.33.43 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 01.36.32 Nick bruck is now known as aurium (n=chatzill@189.13.106.93) 01.38.16 Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.39.12 Quit aurium (Remote closed the connection) 01.39.48 Quit hannesd (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.42.46 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 01.51.49 Join aurium [0] (n=chatzill@189.13.106.93) 01.52.44 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.54.17 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.53 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.58.24 Join BlameHofmann [0] (n=50e5e0ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-456ab17acdffe1b6) 02.06.00 Quit BlameHofmann ("CGI:IRC") 02.06.30 Join aneka [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.25.33) 02.11.41 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 02.14.10 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.10 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.15.13 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.15.23 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.20.24 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.25.39 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.25.45 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.35.08 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.36.08 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-8-206-24.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.40.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.40.34 Quit n1s () 02.42.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.45.15 Nick BigBambi_ is now known as BigBambi (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.45.53 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 02.46.02 # hey, is there any plans to support ipod touch? 02.55.41 # Only if interested owners do the work 02.56.04 # Check the New Ports forum, I think there is a thread on it 02.56.23 # But I would be very surprised for a number of reasons 03.04.11 Quit weezerle ("...und tschГјss!") 03.04.48 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.08.01 # hi! 03.08.27 # i'm reading the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 03.09.03 # in "Scan the PCBs" what is the "PCB"? 03.09.29 # i didn't find it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary 03.10.10 # Printed Circuit Board 03.10.32 # hum! 03.10.57 # why i need to scan it? how to do if i can't open the player? 03.11.29 # it would be useful to scan it and upload the images so that knowledgeable people can see what components are on the board and how they are connected 03.11.41 # and of course you can't scan them if you can't open it 03.12.16 # :-/ 03.13.18 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.13.25 # hcs, i have a MaxMux player and in the menu i find the firmware information: act75xx_s77 03.13.55 # in the google i didn't find anything about act75xx_s77 03.14.25 # you know some way to get useful informations about it? 03.14.31 # No. 03.14.56 # ho... :-/ 03.18.18 # aurium: You cannot write code unless you know what you are writing it for 03.18.35 # You need to know all of the components in the player, and go from there 03.18.35 # hcs, the MaxMux comply with the FCC standards. It can help the RockBox port? 03.18.47 # No 03.18.57 # You need to know all of the components in the player, and go from there 03.20.33 # BigBambi, the only way is to see it's board? How the guys did it for the iPod? May can do the same... 03.20.44 # aurium: People opened it... 03.20.51 # :-) 03.21.03 # You may be able to find someone who already has on the web 03.21.12 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.21.18 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.21.26 # aurium: How do you expect to write code to operate a chip if you do not know what the chips are? 03.21.48 # BigBambi, yeah, you are full right! 03.22.03 # but i need to try some other way. 03.22.17 # that is my only mp4. :-/ 03.22.35 # no other... 03.22.48 # aurium: Even if you find out the chips are you capable of porting rockbox? 03.23.36 # If not, then you probably want to find other owners who also want rockbox who are capable 03.23.53 # As ports are made by owners, not a rockbox 'team' 03.24.03 # I'm not good in C programing, but if the RoLO works i can work with time... 03.24.14 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 03.24.24 # eh? 03.24.39 # I think... 03.24.48 # ROLO is just for loading a different rockbox binary from within rockbox 03.25.30 # You need work out how to run your own code on it (if possible), write drivers for all the chips, adapt other parts of rockbox to work on it... 03.25.46 # You cannot just load it, it is a LOT of dificult work 03.25.56 # even with fully documented chips 03.27.25 # The RoLo is like the LiLo or GRUB right? If the Rockbox port is not working i can try and try again, right? 03.27.31 # NO 03.27.35 # ups 03.27.42 # sorry, didn't mean to be so emphatic 03.28.15 # but i undestand it reading the website 03.28.17 # The people doing the port will generally write a rockbox bootloader 03.28.28 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 03.28.32 # Which can then boot either rockbox proper or the OF 03.29.00 # ROLO is a function within rockbox that allows you to load a different binary 03.29.10 # Cool. it can be good to my work 03.29.27 # ROLO is not important 03.29.42 # For getting rockbox running that is 03.29.54 # It is just useful for testing at a later date 03.29.59 # the Rockbox need to be full ok to RoLo works? 03.30.11 # Forget about ROLO for porting 03.30.12 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 03.30.27 # hum... 03.31.07 # You need to identify the chips used in the player, work out how to run your own code (is there a firmware update function for example, is it encrypted, is there a checksum), then start to write drivers for the chips 03.33.16 # BigBambi, I think you and other guys talk about similarities in the players, right? 03.33.24 # That can help 03.33.43 # But if you don't know what chips are in the player, how do you know if any are similar? 03.34.26 # yes... forgoting my player now... i need to research. 03.34.46 # Seriously, the NewPort page is accurate 03.34.54 # There is no way of skipping the steps 03.36.15 # Well, if someone else has already disassembled the player and identified the chips, you can use that, but that is about it. 03.37.41 # You think is possible to exist a way to make a easiest portable firmware, were we only need to set some variables to compile right? 03.37.48 # After identified the chips! 03.37.56 # I don't understand the question 03.38.09 # sory my english... 03.38.24 # i will try to say... 03.38.41 # You can compile anything you want, but it won't run unless it has been written for the specific chips 03.40.24 # You think that is possible to create a new firmware portable code, when we need to port to a new player we only need to set some friendly variables and compile it? 03.40.32 # No 03.40.39 # How would that possibly work? 03.40.55 # You need to write specific code for the specific chips 03.41.03 # ok. i only want to know. 03.41.17 # You cannot use a driver for an ATI graphics acrd with an Nvidia one for example 03.41.26 # s/acrd/card 03.41.27 Join lord_sauron [0] (n=niranj@122.164.17.159) 03.41.39 # no no... it's not the idea! 03.42.01 # There are two levels to rockbox 03.42.18 # The device specific code, and the independent layer on top 03.42.36 # In porting rockbox you are writing all the device specific code 03.42.54 # The rest of it is straightforward by comparison 03.42.59 # the realy hard work 03.44.11 # I will try to find the chipset and useful information and i back to say to you. 03.44.19 # good luck :) 03.49.31 # JdGordon, Do you see a need for a viewports testing build, and if so which viewports related patches do you feel need included? 03.50.08 # there is definatly a need, but the patches havnt been updated for ages so no real point unltill they get fixed 03.53.34 # just need syncing? Or more involved work? 03.53.35 Quit keanu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.55.07 # p8457 is lists, p8553 is quickscreen, p8385 is wps 03.55.10 # probably syncing... they are not commitable in the current state so more real work is needed 03.55.17 # those are the three I am aware of. 03.55.24 # wps is probably testable 03.55.28 # I havnt looked at it 03.55.33 # I know the other 2 need work 03.56.35 Nick lymeca_ is now known as lymeca (i=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) 03.59.37 # I'd be happy to start building and hosting testing builds for them. 03.59.47 # no real point atm 04.00.06 # next tie a patch gets updated then that should be done... 04.00.11 # unless you really want to do it :p 04.04.31 # bloody IRS is gonna screw me out of 42 cents! 04.10.42 Join keanu [0] (n=none@unaffiliated/keanu) 04.12.44 Quit Llorea1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.13.20 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.13.40 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-134-206-224.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.17.03 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 04.29.30 # BigBambi, i didn't find anything useful. :-( 04.30.37 # i only find sellers. I didn't know who build the MaxMux player. 04.32.14 # There is a mp4 builder who sell it with Rockbox installed? 04.38.06 Join webguest99 [0] (n=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a3fbc90febb9066) 04.40.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.40.11 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.40.11 Join BenniBoya [0] (n=Rofl@dsl-58-6-93-62.act.westnet.com.au) 04.41.00 Quit BenniBoya (Client Quit) 04.41.19 # hi do you guys know of a converter i can use to convert .swf video files to a format rockbox can play? 04.44.32 # please help if any of you guys know... ireally want to know. :) 04.45.59 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.46.17 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4C73.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.48.30 # webguest99, did you have some tool to convert SWF to some video format? (like AVI or MPEG) 04.50.36 Part lord_sauron ("Konversation terminated!") 04.51.51 # i have the one i got her from a link you guys gave me some time ago. i got the VLC transcode and WinFF. 04.51.51 # But those wont do it. 04.53.17 # you are using Window or Linux? 04.53.45 # s/Window/Windows/ 04.54.10 # i'm using windows xp. 04.55.09 # man... on window i can only say to you use the VLC. :-/ 04.55.42 # The Rockbox suport MPEG: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 04.56.06 # i try to find a different converter then convert it. 04.56.11 # you try to convert the swf to MPEG? 04.56.19 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3854a4e53e18e165) 04.56.31 # after i convert the vids the i'll just convert them again with the ones you guys gave me. 04.57.26 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 04.58.11 # i got another question guys. 04.59.23 # i was looking at the section with all the patches and i was looking at one of them that says i can install a plugin in rockbox that let me play SNES games. 04.59.56 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-24f3077a90df2110) 05.00.05 # and another that let me port the ipodlinux wikepedia to rockbox. 05.02.30 Join locutox [0] (n=ltx@124-170-101-223.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.06.20 # can you guys tell me where i can get the rockipedia plugin? 05.09.09 Quit locutox () 05.10.31 # is um... somebody here? or are you guys busy? :) 05.10.42 Quit aneka ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 05.12.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex 05.13.15 # webguest99, i think if the plugin is not on the list, it do not exists. 05.16.31 # ok thanks let me check that. :) 05.25.00 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.25.44 # no its not there. 05.37.28 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-8-206-24.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 05.45.08 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-75b30259327a024a) 05.46.52 # who do i talk to about settings_list.c ? 05.59.27 Quit webguest99 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.01.16 Join y_ytyy [0] (n=user1@70-12-249-64.area2.spcsdns.net) 06.02.36 Part y_ytyy 06.27.30 Quit aurium (Remote closed the connection) 06.40.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.41.17 Join aurium [0] (n=chatzill@189.13.106.93) 06.42.35 Join webguest36 [0] (n=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8334091341ab13f2) 06.45.17 # hi can you guys help out on how to apply patches please? 06.46.38 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 06.50.44 # please help. anyone? :) 06.59.06 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.59.28 Quit aurium ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 07.01.14 # um...ok...bye! :) 07.02.31 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.02.31 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 07.04.14 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.04.23 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 07.04.27 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.04.27 Quit webguest36 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.11.54 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 07.20.23 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.39.39 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 07.51.32 # (for the logs) could someone familar with settings_list.c take a look at the new patch under FS#8443? 07.51.52 # i would like to change the default theme to CabbieV2 soon 07.51.54 # and now i sleep 07.54.54 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.57.03 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.57.04 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 08.01.43 Join toffe82__ [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-130-79-96.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 08.02.15 Part toffe82__ 08.17.35 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.23.40 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 08.24.21 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.24.48 Join spr0k3t [0] (n=spr0k3t@CPE-69-76-163-140.kc.res.rr.com) 08.40.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.59.52 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0EF9E.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.10.00 Join roxfan2 [0] (n=dunno@94.207-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 09.14.37 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 09.16.15 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 09.16.31 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 09.18.25 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.21.08 Quit roxfan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.04 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 09.34.01 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 09.47.55 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.48.14 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 09.48.32 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.57.59 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=3dd50610@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f052da4b535af1c) 09.58.28 # What is it causing svn recent activity on the home page to not update? 09.58.54 Join gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@dsi81.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 10.10.09 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549652B0.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.12.09 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 10.14.06 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 10.20.16 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 10.27.08 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.27.14 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.27.28 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 10.33.55 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-189-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.40.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.48.05 Join Phill [0] (n=irc-Feb2@81.174.248.22) 11.04.52 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 11.07.12 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.10.20 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 11.11.24 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.15.55 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4401550.home.otenet.gr) 11.17.25 Join fehmicans [0] (n=canavar@88.253.6.207) 11.17.59 Join tants39 [0] (n=there@CPE00012e15cab6-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 11.20.32 # can you hurt people with sound and noise and what if you refused to do something some one else said? can that person get you kicked out of places? thank you 11.21.00 Quit Axio (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.22.05 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 11.22.16 # do people like you when you are outside or inside 11.22.22 Join RvX [0] (n=chatzill@pa2.romix.net.pl) 11.23.47 # hello. 11.24.03 # tants39: This is an on-topic channel. It is also logged, If you don't have anything rockbox related please don't post your mindless dribble here. 11.24.43 # homie was that an insult 11.25.06 Join chuckandbuck [0] (n=18d962f4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d20386298f195ccc) 11.25.26 # Hello 11.26.04 # I have patched rockbox (for StarDict compatibility) and I am getting "Data abort at 0004B5B0 (0)" when I try to search for to short words that appear at many keyphrases.. 11.26.41 # If the list of similiar kayphrases is short, it's ok. 11.27.07 # homielowe has insulted me 11.27.20 # you have insulted me 11.27.32 # How can I limit it, (fix it)? 11.28.17 Quit tants39 ("Leaving") 11.28.23 # I'm having problems with video playback on an e280; the video plays fine but the colors are really weird; this did not happen several months ago, but I have since reinstalled rockbox -- with a newer build perhaps... I've googled my heart out and searched everywhere to no avail. 11.33.26 Join sietherine [0] (n=18113e18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-674052aea7b540da) 11.33.34 Quit chuckandbuck ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.33.38 # RvX: it usually means that there is a misaligned memory access happening somewhere (at the adress reported) could be a wrong cast, wild pointer or something entirely different... 11.34.06 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 11.35.23 # maybe it's an overflow somewhere when it appears while the list of hits is very long... 11.35.35 # * n1s wonders why the frontpage commits don't update 11.35.38 # pixelma: that's right. 11.35.45 Join ddalton [0] (n=ddalton@210-84-11-28.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.35.54 # But how to deal with it? 11.36.07 # How to somehow limit that list? 11.36.26 # I can't compile rbutil here on linux with qmake and make on debian linux. is this a problem with everyone? Or am I missing a package? Could someone send me a cli binary of rbutil? 11.36.40 # n1s: I don't see newer commits in the build table either, or am I missing something? 11.36.45 # copied about 500mb to sansa with ums v15, and just one file was copied wrong, and I still can get usb resets 11.37.03 # pixelma: yep seems that isn't updateing either... 11.39.08 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.39.13 Join philoware [0] (n=canavar@88.253.15.246) 11.40.22 # And the second thing: how to get created on my own keyboard layout to load on every boot? I tried to put it in /.rockbox/ , and /.rockbox/wps/mytheme and nothing.... 11.40.59 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet31.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.44.33 # according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts it should reside in the .rockbox folder if you want Rockbox to load it on every boot (maybe you have to chose it once after you put it in there so that Rockbox knows the right path). This is only my impression though as I never used it... 11.46.46 # pixelma: the thing is that I cannot access ./rockbox/ from my player, because it's hidden 11.47.29 # sure you can, just set "file view" to "all" to do this... 11.50.32 # Thanks, pixelma, one case is now solved :) 11.52.57 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.53.26 Quit fehmicans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.19 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 11.55.23 # But with first thing (the memory case), there is nothing I can do to fix it? 11.55.23 Quit ddalton ("leaving") 11.55.44 # jhMikeS: Around? 11.56.25 # RvX: I have no idea, maybe ask the author of the patch (if you got it off of flyspray, add a comment) 11.56.49 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 11.58.20 # Comment by Enmar (Enmar) - Wednesday, 02 January 2008, 07:18 GMT+1 11.58.22 # I found out that when listing 80+ articles at once you get the data abort error and a hex address followed undefined instruction and a hex address. 11.58.23 # Listing less than 80 articles causes no errors and this occurs on the ipod nano as far as I know. 11.58.26 # Comment by Tri Nguyen (tri170391) - Wednesday, 02 January 2008, 07:58 GMT+1 11.58.26 # I can confirm this. If I search the word "sin" when using default config -> Data Abort 11.58.28 # If I change the topic limit to 15 and do it again -> No Data Abort 12.05.09 # I'll try to modify cfg file :) 12.06.39 # Owh, yes, there it is. But What value to put instead of 100 for max_list? 12.07.03 # aliask: hi! do you have any idea how to enable writing to the S' disk? 12.08.18 # Nico_P: Yep, I just commented out the #define for optimised writing 12.08.30 # I also have plugins running 12.08.36 # aliask: but isn't that disabled when in the booloader? 12.08.39 # oh? how? 12.09.07 # Needed a bit of poking around the plugin.lds and adding keymap defines but other than that, not much 12.09.37 # Getting the actual .rock files on the device is the hardest part :) 12.09.53 # Why do you want to write inside the bootloader anyway? 12.10.27 # I want the bootloader to untar a tar archive containing a rockbox installation 12.10.58 # Ah, nice idea 12.11.15 # Thanks all, I limited list to 60 and it works like a charm :) Bye. 12.11.58 Quit RvX ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120413]") 12.13.27 # Hrm, I can't see why it won't work in the bootloader... unless it's something in ata.c 12.16.24 # I'll try with the stuff commented out 12.19.34 # nope. no luck 12.20.06 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.21.55 Quit philoware (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.25.15 # it does work in the core 12.25.34 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D791.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.25.36 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 12.25.45 # Peculiar... ata.c has no references to BOOTLOADER - so it's not #ifdeffing that at all... 12.26.01 # ata-target.h has some 12.26.42 # The gigabeat specific file? 12.26.52 # yes 12.27.22 # Yeah, but that's only declaring the "optimised" function - if you remove that then writing work. 12.27.27 # there is some ide specific stuff in the target tree (system-xxx.*) 12.27.28 # +s 12.29.24 Quit Phill (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.30.18 # aliask: how did you manage to send a plugin? 12.30.53 # ./connect --sendfile /path/to/plugin and then using rockbox's inbuilt cut/copy/rename stuff 12.31.02 # ok 12.31.35 # it would be nicer to get writing to work in the BL 12.31.58 Join Shark_7-11 [0] (n=Wallace@41.219.232.85) 12.32.26 # I agree. I'll get this plugin work committed, then take a look. 12.32.42 # hi all 12.33.21 # Hi Shark_7-11 12.34.08 # Quick Q: (Ipod 5G 80gig) My picture flow says i have no artwork... (after loading for 5 minutes or more) 12.34.27 # i dont have much but i have a few... 12.34.27 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 12.34.34 # any ideas? 12.36.10 Join Wolf_ [0] (n=pIRCuser@217.150.49.241) 12.36.29 # Hi 12.36.36 # hi 12.36.37 # Shark_7-11: You might be interested in this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 12.36.47 # tx :-) 12.36.48 # But I don't have any personal experience with album art. 12.36.49 # in Russian 12.37.32 # ok cool tx, i dont have BMP's ...tx aliask 12.37.45 # Wolf_: you want to ask a question in Russian? 12.38.32 # es 12.38.33 Quit sietherine ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.38.54 # yes 12.39.16 # Wolf_: I doubt that many (if any) people in here would understand it. Please try in English. 12.40.06 # I shall try 12.40.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.41.08 # I ask to excuse me for English 12.41.12 # ^) 12.41.21 # go 4 it :-P 12.42.16 # I wrote about the problem at a forum 12.42.57 # I have switched on mode Recovecy mode. Has copied casually some files. 12.42.58 # Now the player is not included 12.42.58 # What to me to do? Whether is what reset at a level of ? 12.44.08 # which player? 12.44.39 # sansa e260 12.44.47 # Who can help me? 12.45.18 # sorry, I don't know anything about the sansa players 12.46.18 # It is a pity 12.47.32 Join Schnueff [0] (n=mah@88-134-124-144-dynip.superkabel.de) 12.50.05 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D791.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.51.05 # markun Prompt who on this channel can help me 12.51.38 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.53.31 # does rockbox have a file manager (PC Client) or do you use the default software (eg iTunes) ? 12.55.35 # hmmm unless I get something wrong, ata timings on coldfire look to be a bit off 12.55.43 # Shark_7-11: Use what you want 12.55.51 # Shark_7-11: Just copy and paste is what I do 12.56.20 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4D3D1.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.56.30 # I'm just thinking maybe there is sotware allready doing that so that the artwork etc is all in place 12.56.35 # Here my problem is described http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=218317#post218317 12.56.39 # No 12.56.45 # when you start up rockbox, everything is working 12.56.52 # er, yes? 12.56.59 # but seeing that this is only filemanagement, one can right a program like that yourself easily 12.57.01 # I don't understand what that means 12.57.04 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 12.57.20 # You can put the music on anyway you want 12.57.22 # BigBambi: Me? 12.57.22 # you connect you ipod to your PC, and use windows explorer to copy the music iver 12.57.27 # !? 12.57.43 # For many of us a big advantage of rockbox is that it means we DON'T have to use itunes etc 12.57.46 # what is there not to understand? 12.58.06 # I didn't understand the sentence " when you start up rockbox, everything is working" 12.58.14 # i hear you :-) 12.58.26 # no, not you, BigBambi 12.58.32 # I am saying, a client that does everything for you (like auto aupdates, theme loader etc) 12.58.32 # Heh 12.58.45 # Is there anyone here who understands this conversation? :) 12.58.50 # no 12.58.53 # Shark_7-11: try rbutil for that 12.58.55 # oh what i mean with that is 12.59.16 # you dont need to manually go check the files and what not after wards... in shirt, let me right an app then u guys use it? 12.59.20 # hows that? 12.59.21 # Rockbox Utility will do installation, updating, theme intalling, voice file generation, installing doom 12.59.24 # and more 12.59.33 # Shark_7-11: No thanks 12.59.33 # Wolf_, so you copied files via recovery mode and now it does not work? 12.59.40 # k 12.59.42 # Shark_7-11: Feel free to do what you want 12.59.53 # But I do NOT want to have to use additional software 13.00.16 # If you feel the need, please do, and I'm sure there are some who will appreciate it 13.00.34 # advcomp2019 bootloader.bin 13.00.40 # not a must 13.01.09 # Look at Rockbox Utility 13.01.21 # It isn't a music manager, but it does everything else pretty much 13.02.34 # Wolf_, what are you trying to do actually then? 13.03.04 # Nico_P: got a album art question for you (just out of interest) - what happens if you want to use album art (maybe even differently sized) in the WPS and RWPS on the Iaudios? 13.03.21 # like a nice to have kinda thing... anyhow... tx for the help 13.03.21 # k 13.03.21 # will check it out tx 13.03.32 # pixelma: I'm not sure actually 13.03.58 # pixelma: I don't think the RWPS is handles 13.04.00 # handled 13.05.01 # ok, but the Iaudio remote is greyscale and album art is possible on greyscale main displays... 13.06.26 # advcomp2019 I have casually copied 13.07.18 # advcomp2019 I apologize for English, I from Russia 13.08.07 # Wolf_, i am still trying to figure out what you need 13.09.13 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955E133.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.09.44 # advcomp2019 Now I try will start sansa in Recovery mode 13.10.43 # Wolf_, why do you need to go into recovery mode for? 13.11.47 # advcomp2019 What to remove from a player files which has casually copied 13.12.30 # PC does not see a player 13.13.23 # cheers 13.13.27 Part Shark_7-11 13.17.16 # Wolf_, what usb mode are you using? what operating system? 13.17.45 # XP 13.18.44 # advcomp2019 At a player the display is not included, the circle shines only 13.24.43 # Nico_P: Have you had any leads, or should I just start trying to work it out? 13.26.10 # advcomp2019 Whether there are at me chances to restore a player? 13.26.38 Join fehmicans [0] (n=canavar@78.178.33.159) 13.26.45 # Wolf_, that is manufacturing mode.. did you put it there or did it do it on its own? 13.28.01 # aliask: no, haven't found anything, sorry 13.29.42 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-193-173.dsl.scarlet.be) 13.34.17 # advcomp2019 и прошу меня извинить, но я не совсем понял вопрос 13.34.27 # advcomp2019 Also I ask me to excuse, but I have not absolutely understood a question 13.38.01 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 13.39.44 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 13.41.27 # Wolf_, i do not know russian so i do not know how to tell you the info to make you understand it 13.43.36 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.44.10 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 13.44.31 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 13.48.21 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 13.48.41 Quit daurnimator ("ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net") 13.51.57 # Wolf_: Did you do something to get in this mode? 13.52.28 # Yes 13.52.49 # rasher * Power off 13.52.49 # * Turn ON lock/hold 13.52.49 # * Hold down record 13.52.49 DBUG Sent KICK Wolf_ to server 13.52.49 # * Hit Power/Menu Button 13.52.50 Kick (#rockbox Wolf_ :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 13.52.50 Join Wolf_ [0] (n=pIRCuser@217.150.49.241) 13.53.16 # rasher Power off 13.53.17 # * petur pats logbot on the back 13.53.33 # ^( 13.53.40 # Wolf_: Okay. Why did you do it? 13.54.32 # rasher What exactly? 13.54.40 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@137-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 13.54.49 # Wolf_: Why did you go to manufacturer mode? 13.55.21 # rasher I wanted to stitch 13.55.30 # Stitch? 13.55.45 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 13.55.50 # Try explaining with other words 13.56.15 Quit fehmicans (Remote closed the connection) 13.56.25 # I do not know as to say in English 13.56.59 # Ah, did you read about it on a page? 13.57.09 # rasher I wanted to replace the microprogram 13.57.17 # he means patch maybe 13.58.50 # Wolf_: To get out of manufacturer mode you can hold the power button for 15 seconds 13.59.08 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-200-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.59.49 # rasher ок, now I shall try 14.00.52 # master build server down :( Hope everything is green... 14.01.16 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.0.2 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 14.02.01 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 14.03.01 Join romeo1 [0] (n=there@CPE00012e15cab6-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 14.04.41 # anybody with ata specs knowledge around? 14.05.24 # thank you and why don't we kill and harass and discriminate against all the people who are physically unattractive in this world? and how much time do we/i have? thanks 14.05.47 # * rasher blinks 14.06.01 # hm.. 14.06.04 # spambot 14.06.18 # i had him in a different chan saying the exact same thing 14.06.19 # PMs? 14.06.36 # which is weird, cause it's a german channel 14.07.30 # rasher Has not helped 14.08.10 DBUG Sent KICK romeo1 to server 14.08.10 Kick (#rockbox romeo1 :spammer) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 14.08.16 # hehe 14.08.26 Join romeo1 [0] (n=there@CPE00012e15cab6-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 14.08.30 # what is a spammer 14.08.51 # you were talking nonsense 14.08.53 # Wolf_: Try holding longer 14.09.18 # romeo1: obey the channel rules or get kicked/banned 14.09.25 # :) ок 14.10.23 Join B4gder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.10.31 # Wolf_: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/images/e200-front.png 14.10.40 Part Buschel_ 14.10.53 # How does that work? i.e. how did logbot know? Or did someone 'nudge' logbot? 14.11.11 # * petur smiles 14.11.16 # aha :) 14.11.16 # B4gder: buildserver problems 14.12.27 # more specificly? 14.12.53 # look at the build table, it stoped yesterday :) 14.12.55 # this is essentially different. does ugly people hate and discriminate against other ugly people too as much as attractive people? and do attractive people really discriminate against ugly people? 14.13.22 # rasher нажимать только кнопку power? 14.13.31 # Wolf_: I don't understand 14.13.38 DBUG Sent KICK romeo1 to server 14.13.39 Kick (#rockbox romeo1 :final warning) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 14.13.45 # rasher To press only the button power? 14.13.46 # i only understand "rasher" and "power" 14.14.01 # Wolf_: Yes. In 15-25 seconds 14.14.06 # moos: and what was committed after then? 14.14.43 # check svn mail, last revisions aren't 14.15.28 # 6 revisons 14.15.37 # +i 14.17.09 Join BitTorment_ [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 14.18.41 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D791.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.18.43 Join romeo1 [0] (n=there@CPE00012e15cab6-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 14.18.45 # i've been always a loner my entire life and no real friends or people who gives me feed-backs or stayed away from people in a room for 30 years of age is it embarrassing and am i stupid or can hurt others? 14.19.02 # moos: thanks, I triggered a manual build now and it should be up and fine after that 14.19.24 Mode "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 14.19.28 # bye 14.19.31 # rasher Not, I seem to me of it{him} finally have broken 14.19.38 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*n=there@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.19.38 Warn Banlist contains 19 bans! 14.19.46 Kick (#rockbox romeo1 :B4gder) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 14.20.09 # * aliask can only think of one other person who's been banned 14.20.20 # Wolf_: It can be saved with e200tool. I don't know how 14.20.37 # we have bans in here? 14.21.09 Mode "#rockbox -b *!*@64-251-150-231-cablemodem-roll.fidnet.com " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.21.20 Mode "#rockbox -b Ch33zm0ng3r!*@* " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.21.32 Mode "#rockbox -b *!*@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.22.44 # Horscht: we really don't need to use them very often 14.23.05 # rasher I thank for the help:) 14.23.16 # B4gder: Why -b those three? 14.23.37 # because they're somewhat old and I rather not have lots of oldish bans hanging around 14.23.37 # Wolf_: Maybe you could find someone who knows Russian and better English to help you 14.24.13 # one being on a nick only, and two most likely being for dhcp ips anyway 14.24.14 # There are plenty of other equally old bans afaics 14.24.20 # indeed 14.24.30 # but I just wanted to give some room and then leave them 14.24.44 # * aliask is reminded of dongs :) 14.24.48 # I'm not even sure what the freenode ban limit is 14.25.05 # red builds 14.25.31 # austriancoder: your red! 14.25.43 # * aliask breathes a sigh of relief 14.25.48 # 860 fresh points 14.26.53 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.29.30 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.30.09 Mode "#rockbox -o B4gder " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.30.28 Quit BitTorment (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.34.23 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 14.35.30 # * gevaerts is trying to decide if he should do SCSI commands today, or experiment further with the core USB stuff 14.35.42 # both! 14.35.45 # * B4gder ducks 14.36.41 # * gevaerts waits until B4gder un-ducks before reacting 14.36.58 # get out and enjoy the nice weather 14.37.57 # I could do that of course. Might be a nice compromise 14.38.41 # * petur will do the same soon too 14.40.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.41.01 Join bertrik_ [0] (n=Bertrik_@137-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 14.46.09 # gevaerts: http://rafb.net/p/xmLmsq23.html - it's what I got with v15, it happened while writing and only one file was bad copy 14.48.49 Quit petur ("gone to enjoy the nice weather :)") 14.48.57 # aliask: any leads on why writing doesn't work in the BL? 14.49.05 Join ForumLover [0] (n=ForumLov@88.231.223.252) 14.49.08 Part ForumLover 14.49.28 # Nico_P: None so far, but I haven't done much testing 14.49.34 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 14.49.55 # I haven't found anything either 14.51.36 # desowin: that seems to suggest that my control-transaction theory is incorrect. 14.53.29 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 14.54.39 # gevaerts: have you tried torturing the OF to the same degree? (badblocks and continous lsusb) 14.54.53 # Does anyone know if the E200 automatically adjusts gain when bass boost is applied? 14.56.36 # rasher: not yet, but I'll do it now. Anyway v15 still responds in a worse way to it than v7 (the one in svn), and desowin has problems without such tricks. 14.56.40 Quit bertrik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.57.20 # well, I haven't diffed files copied using v7 ;) 14.58.21 # I still see a lot of failed tests on the chapter 9 handling 14.58.44 # I'm looking at posts 9 and 11 in this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/ipod-5-5g-80gb-rockbox-ipod-classic-80gb-297447/#post3817471 14.59.20 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=Bertrik_@137-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 15.02.19 # From the device numbering it looks like desowin connecting through a hub to a ohci controller. I'm connecting directly to a uhci controller. Maybe that makes a difference ? 15.02.20 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 15.02.39 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.02.42 # If I add 24 dB of gain using the low shelf filter, I can easily introduce clipping. But if I apply 24 dB of bass boost, it doesn't clip. 15.02.59 # (though it sounds terrible) 15.04.25 # The OF seems to handle my lsusb+badblocks torture correctly (no pauses, no errors, no resets), on both full speed and high speed 15.04.56 # Febs: Bass boost being the Bass setting int he sound menu? 15.05.00 # Yes. 15.05.32 # I'm pretty sure that scales down the gain accordingly, but not positive 15.05.33 # yay, high speed works already? 15.05.40 # Febs: preglow will know 15.05.48 # bertrik: OF 15.06.00 # * bertrik should read more carefully 15.06.32 # desowin: Are you connecting to a ohci controller through a hub (maybe built-in somewhere), or am I reading your dmesg output wrongly ? 15.07.10 # yes, connecting it through hub, should I connect it directly? 15.07.28 # rasher: I remember there being extensive discussion of that sort of scaling a couple of years ago with respect to the H100 and the decision was made that Rockbox should not scale gain to prevent clipping. That's why I was surprised to read that comment that there is scaling on the e200. 15.07.47 Join gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 15.07.59 # desowin: it would be useful to know if that maks a difference. I really want to reproduce your error rate here, so I can properly debug this. 15.08.22 # * gevaerts thinks he also ha a usb hub somewhere, and goes to look for it 15.11.23 # This is the discussion I was thinking of: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2005-12/0013.shtml 15.11.53 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.12.53 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955E133.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.13.34 # rasher: did you do any testing with recent patches ? 15.13.49 # gevaerts: without hub http://rafb.net/p/tCUXWk52.html and it's still copying files 15.17.20 Join ally_oxxxoo [0] (n=asdokeas@c-69-141-95-124.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 15.17.31 # hey guys 15.17.39 # desowin: so basically no difference. I assume ohci vs uhci shouldn't make a difference on this. Are you using some kind of GUI file manager that tries to update it's filelist regularly (i.e. is something trying to get a directory listing from the sansa while it's writing) ? 15.17.41 # Nico_P: I just modified the bootloader to actually test writing, rather than just reading code and it seemed to work fine... 15.17.57 # aliask: what did you change? 15.18.04 # im have a problem with rockbox on my ipod. Is there a way to formate it? 15.18.21 # right now its formated by a Mac not a windows computer.. 15.18.34 # Nico_P: Nothing. I'll make a patch of the bootloader so you can verify on your device 15.18.58 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 15.19.13 # aliask: ok, thanks 15.19.18 # gevaerts: I'm using thunar, I'll test with bare cp later 15.19.19 # ally_oxxxoo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 15.19.37 # thanks horsht 15.19.49 # ally_oxxxoo, Rockbox is not like a Windows 95 install - there is no reason to format your player because of weird behavior. 15.20.09 # Oh - didn't see it was a MacPod - ignore me. 15.21.10 # desowin: is it mounted woth -o sync ? 15.21.14 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 15.21.22 # soap no 15.21.38 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.21.40 # thats not the reason. I had rockbox on my ipod video but not my ipod nano 15.21.52 # i need to formate my nano cause its not Fat32 right now... 15.21.57 # im on linux 15.22.10 # desowin: (if you missed it) is it mounted woth -o sync ? 15.22.28 # no 15.22.42 # so that's not it (same here) 15.27.07 # desowin: are you actively using other usb devices on the same controller (keyboard, mouse,...) ? 15.28.18 # * gevaerts is still trying to find out why desowin's setup behaves so differently 15.28.38 # mouse, and have printer connected to it which is unpowered though, and empty usb hub 15.29.55 # Nico_P: Did you get my PM? 15.30.06 # aliask: sorry. yes I did 15.30.43 # Does it work, or is there some difference in our players? 15.30.53 # * gevaerts plugs in his usb mouse 15.31.01 # e H100 and the 15.31.01 # +decision was made that Rockbox should not scale gain to prevent clipping. That's why I was surprised to read that comment that there is 15.31.01 # +scaling on the e200. 15.31.01 DBUG Sent KICK gevaerts to server 15.31.01 # *** gregzx (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined channel #rockbox 15.31.01 # > desowin: it would be useful to know if that maks a difference. I really want to reproduce your error rate here, so I can properly debug 15.31.01 Quit gevaerts (Excess Flood) 15.31.04 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 15.31.04 # aliask: I'll test it now 15.31.08 Quit gevaerts (Client Quit) 15.31.23 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 15.31.49 # gevaerts: I'll disconnect every other usb device and test 15.31.52 # * gevaerts is not used to a mouse with all kinds of weird buttons that paste content everywhere 15.32.09 # Sorry about that. I'll try to be more careful 15.32.17 Quit ally_oxxxoo ("Ex-Chat") 15.33.12 # I'll do fsck first though 15.33.23 # aliask: doesn't seem to have written correclty 15.33.37 # I get "buff was 0x41100DE" 15.33.43 # desowin: I did get one usb reset since I plugged in this mouse 15.34.01 Quit desowin (Remote closed the connection) 15.34.07 # Hrm, interesting. I'll try re-running it. Maybe it's not consistent. 15.34.14 # [15:31] *** gregzx (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined channel #rockbox <--- whats that about gevaerts ? 15.35.02 # gregzx: I plugged in a mouse with lots of buttons in unexpected places, and it selected and pasted some text 15.35.14 # aliask: at least your code writes. I think it's normal that I don't get "Written data verified." 15.35.21 # * gevaerts is used to his trackpoint. 15.36.03 # aliask: do you? 15.36.16 # Nico_P: I got it first time, but every time afterwards it's been incorrect (noticeably with the last byte 0xDE too) 15.36.30 # ah 15.36.43 # Could be 3 bytes out 15.36.43 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.36.54 # mine seems to be consistent 15.37.17 Quit bertrik ("bye") 15.37.18 # It works after a format, but fails subsequent times. So if the file exists it fails. 15.41.29 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F22F.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.42.06 # Febs: I'm not sure that decision still stands. At any rate, I'm pretty sure behavior would be the same on all targets 15.42.29 # gevaerts: nope, haven't done any testing recently - do you need testing? 15.44.10 # gevaerts: with every other usb device disconnected, no usb resets so far 15.44.21 # rasher: I'm just wondering why desowin gets lots of errors and I don't. 15.45.19 # desowin: interesting. Maybe one of them has a bad cable that makes the usb signal unreliable ? 15.45.31 # I'll try that later 15.45.57 # desowin: on the other hand, if that's the problem the OF should give problems too. 15.46.25 # Maybe we just don't handle errors properly yet in some way. 15.47.11 # aliask: I think I got it to work! 15.47.24 # austriancoder: I'm really wondering about your latest commit 15.47.34 # Nico_P: Nice, what was it? 15.47.54 # The debug menu is apps code. So moving it into target tree (i.e. below firmware/) is clearly wrong 15.47.56 # mkdir was failing because of a trailing '/', so then creating files wouldn't work either 15.48.06 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/17/two-good-ones-is-better-than-one-half-baked/ 15.49.38 # B4gder: I guess you are right 15.50.07 # and Berlin gets my vote for the eurocon as well 15.50.13 # we'll get a lot more people attending 15.50.26 # I just edited and mention Brussels too 15.50.35 # I'm fine with either 15.50.51 # I love Berlin as a city, but don't know Brussels. Maybe it's nice too/ 15.51.03 # Nico_P: Ah, good to hear you nailed it. Does it extract a .rockbox? Or am I getting too ahead of myself :P 15.51.13 # it does extract a .rockbox dir 15.51.26 # I'm not sure it does it correctly though 15.53.17 # markun: I've actually not been to any of them... and I doubt we'll see much of the city anyway :-) 15.53.29 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-1120pbg.dsl.mindspring.com) 15.53.58 # is there a limitation on the albumart size? 15.54.43 # jac0b: It cannot exceed the dimensions of the LCD in any direction 15.55.15 # ok 15.55.59 # so I have the gigabeat and the albumart can't be bigger than 320x240 15.56.45 # Right. But because the AA is usually square it won't be bigger than 240x240 15.56.58 # yep 15.57.02 # A reasonable limitation, IMHO. I scale my album art images to MinDimensionXMinDimension upon transfer to a player as is. 15.57.22 # yeah I usally max mine at 200x200 15.57.33 # which is still quite big 15.57.47 # given that rockbox requires bmp 15.57.51 # yeah I guess 15.58.20 Join Tschaad [0] (n=5b71158e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0662a4e90d96a772) 15.58.25 # aliask: loading files seems to sometimes fail. I don't know if this is because the files are corrupted 15.58.49 # or just because the disk is slow. maybe I'm not patient enough 15.58.57 Quit Schnueff ("Lost terminal") 15.58.59 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.59.06 # Does someone know, if Rockbox run on a M:robe 500? 15.59.15 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 15.59.28 # Tschaad: is it on the front page? 15.59.29 # Nico_P: Have you seen mention that "frequent skipping in large playlists makes skipping unreliable"? 15.59.42 # * gevaerts can't help pinting out that the location petur proposed is nearer Gent tha Brussels, which might matter if you want to visit the city (Gent is probably worth a visit as much as Brussels. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghent) 15.59.46 # rasher: I think so 15.59.53 # s/pinting/pointing/ 15.59.56 # I dont know, what do you mean 16.00.14 # Tschaad: http://rockbox.org 16.00.24 # Tschaad: All currently supported targets are listed on the frontpage of rockbox.org 16.00.33 # i searched , and I found MROBELOAD 16.00.35 Join webguest13 [0] (n=4a8e5fd8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2a25251e1cbb30a7) 16.00.40 # its a zip file 16.00.47 # Tschaad: that said, a port to the M:Robe 500 is in the works, but not useful for users yet 16.00.58 # i started re-designing pcmbuf.c :) let's see what comes from that 16.01.08 # is the 2nd generation of ipod minis supported 16.01.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR500Info 16.01.20 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say moo") 16.01.31 Quit jac0b ("Ex-Chat") 16.01.39 # webguest13: Yes - it's right there on the frontpage of rockbox.org 16.02.14 # it only said ipod mini, so i had to ask 16.02.22 # Nico_P: I have noticed something like this too - but it doesn't happen all the time 16.02.23 # webguest13: That means every model of Mini 16.02.31 # the idea is to do a realtime pcm streaming engine, with configurable latencies and stream specific controls 16.02.33 # ok--thanks 16.02.58 # gevaerts: unplugged all devices, started copying files, then I plugged devices back one-by-one, and so far I haven't got any usb reset 16.02.58 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 16.03.26 Quit Tschaad ("CGI:IRC") 16.03.30 # desowin: interesting. Did you do an fsck as well ? 16.03.37 # yes, I did 16.03.53 Join ArchDemon [0] (i=ExUser@71-13-234-224.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 16.04.13 Part ArchDemon 16.04.14 # Not that it should matter, the errors were pure block devie errors and nothing file system related 16.04.55 # oh, got resert 16.06.20 # * desowin tries again with printer unplugged 16.11.15 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@p5B04741B.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.11.53 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.31 # gevaerts: I'm almost sure it's my printer what causes the usb resets 16.23.34 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.25.05 # desowin: good to know. It still should behave better though 16.25.39 # * gevaerts goes back to trying to understand SCSI MODE_SENSE and MODE_SELECT 16.29.57 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.30.06 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033872.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.35.42 # gevaerts: nice typo there: 'pinting' ;) 16.36.09 # and I'm indeed in Gent (Ghent), not Brussels 16.36.21 # you beer freak' ;) 16.38.46 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.39.11 # * gevaerts hoped that petur wouldn't notice 16.39.43 # petur: Was/is your favourite leffe tripel? 16.39.46 # amiconn: I tried calculating PIO-0 values but they didn't solve the freezing. I then put in maximum values and that worked OK. So I am probably not understanding the timings... 16.39.59 # aliask: tripel karmeliet 16.40.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.40.31 # Ah, thought I remembered something about tripel. I'll need to try that one too now :) 16.41.10 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D791.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.41.38 # * petur tries to avoid beers from inbev because of their aggressive commercialising of beer 16.41.38 # my ipod nano 4gb white is getting "buffer miss!" a few times during each midi-song, any suggestions to what i can do to change this? 16.41.50 # its using the patchset from the rockbox forum 16.44.08 # Wow, they even own an Australian beer... 16.46.27 # gevaerts: yup, with printer disconnected, copied whole that directory without single error 16.46.59 Quit petur ("real life calls") 16.47.02 # micols_: there isn't a lot you can do, the midid plugin is simply too slow on pp cpus 16.49.09 # desowin: so this might be stable enough for normal use after all. Does the OF work reliably with the printer connected ? 16.50.36 # oh, one file doesn't match its copy 16.50.49 # I'll try in OF later 16.51.47 # desowin: any chance of finding out what the difference is (i.e. one sector wrong, some random bytes wrong,...) ? 16.52.09 # austriancoder: seen amiconn complaint earlier? 16.52.58 # *amiconn's 16.55.18 # n1s: you know if its possible to changte rockbox bootlogo without recompiling ? 16.55.24 # or patching, just by adding a .bmp 16.56.23 # micols_: yes it's possible, i think there is even an app to do it called logoswapper however I have never used it and we do not support it 16.57.03 # uhm, isnt the logo hardcoded into the firmware? or is it a regular file? 16.57.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LogoSwapper 16.58.03 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955F22F.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.58.46 # micols_: yes it is but the file can be edited, and of course just swapping the bmp and recompiling is much easier 16.59.17 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 16.59.30 # yea, that win app wont work anyway, using wine :) 16.59.35 # needs .net framework 16.59.51 # Then you need to edit the original picture then compile 17.01.19 # http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp 17.01.20 # nice one 17.05.55 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A94456.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.06.21 # * gevaerts wants to know why the scsi RBC spec uses 40-bit values. Those will be fun to work with 17.06.56 Quit austriancoder (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.07.01 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 17.14.56 # hm its rather annying that the backlight is on all the time when its connected to usb/charger and showing apple logo with full backlight. 17.15.08 # i dont know why this is the default of rockbox 17.15.17 # makes no sense, its only annoying when going to sleep :) 17.15.24 # lighting up the room. 17.15.48 # doesn't even seem to be changeable 17.15.55 # micols_: If it's showing the Apple logo, why do you think it's Rockbox' doing? 17.16.01 # it's apple's code, complain to them 17.16.06 # it doesn't do it with apple firmware 17.16.14 # yes it does 17.16.15 # it shows only backlight for 3secs or so and then dimms down 17.16.21 # You are seeing the apple disk mode 17.16.23 # with rockbox it shows infinite backlight 17.16.32 # Believe us, it is Apple's code, not Rockbox 17.16.36 # micols_: It's not rockbox. It's Apple code. 17.16.39 # zing 17.16.46 # weird, how come it doesnt do it with apple firmware then :( 17.16.51 # it does 17.17.00 # Becuase the two modes are different 17.17.01 # micols_: it IS Apple firmware 17.17.21 # I am not sure what you are seeing, but it does it both with the OF as well as with the emergency disk mode 17.17.23 # it never shows the apple screen only with apple firmware 17.17.29 # There is an emergency disk mode (APPLE'S FIRMWARE) and the disk mode from within the OF (APPLE'S FIRMWARE) 17.17.34 # it shows do not disconnect screen or similar. 17.17.39 # or ok to remove. 17.17.45 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 17.17.57 # apple screen only shows during boot with apple firmware. 17.17.58 # Rockbox resets to the former, when you plug in from the OF, you see the latter 17.18.03 # BOTH ARE APPLE's 17.18.20 # gevaerts: 0x250020 matched bytes, then 2 bytes 'disappeared' in copy, then 0x15FDE matched bytes, then again 2 bytes 'disappeared' and then 0x6FEB60 matched bytes 17.18.47 # plus, they both behave the same for me, in regards to backlight 17.19.05 # question to our experts: is spinlock_lock()/-unlock() used for thread safety? 17.20.29 Quit Wolf_ ("Bye-Bye") 17.20.37 # desowin: what do you mean by disappeared ? Are they missing (i.e. is the file shorter), or are they zero ? 17.20.48 # the file is shorter, those are missing 17.22.54 # Tha shouldn't happen at all. The entire usb storage system works on sector level, so any error should be either a few corrupted bytes, or entire blocks of 512 bytes missing. I really don't understand how this can happen. 17.24.26 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.25.32 # desowin: just to make sure I understand this correctly: does ls -l report a size difference of 4 bytes ? 17.29.05 # sorry 17.29.15 # first 2 bytes are 'extra' second two are missing 17.29.24 # so file size is the same 17.31.23 # So the middle block is shifted by two bytes somehow 17.31.34 # the extra bytes are 0x15 0x2A, the missing ones are 0xFB 0x0B 17.33.09 # * gevaerts can't think of any kind of error that could cause this 17.33.41 # aliask: http://pastebin.ca/907433 works nicely for me 17.33.59 # oh he's gone. pity 17.34.00 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 17.34.09 # anyway, I'll commit that soonish 17.34.43 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 17.34.54 # No I'm not. :) 17.35.53 # Patching and testing now 17.38.00 Join openforlife [0] (n=thomassu@50.80-203-112.nextgentel.com) 17.38.36 # Hi all... 17.39.05 # Are there any plans to get rockbox on the iPod touch? 17.39.37 Quit openforlife (Remote closed the connection) 17.40.02 # there he left again 17.40.09 Join openforlife [0] (n=thomassu@50.80-203-112.nextgentel.com) 17.41.48 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.43.34 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ac1fd3abb883c3e2) 17.45.38 # Nico_P: Awesome! 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I will redo my commits 18.46.42 # Look at e.g. the codecs - they have cpu specific code as well (codlfire, arm etc), but not in target tree because it is app level code 18.47.01 # *Might* be interesting to hear other opinions here. 18.47.27 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4401550.home.otenet.gr) 18.47.48 # Perhaps we should move it back, but then split architetcure specific parts from debug_menu.c and put the into apps/debug/ or sth 18.48.47 # sound like a good idead to.. 18.48.52 # Would still keep the code together, and yet make the file shorter (== more readable) 18.50.18 # * amiconn thinks there might be *some* candidates for removal right now 18.50.23 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 18.50.40 # Otoh, some debug items are pretty long-term stuff, e.g. screenshot, or disk info etc 18.50.41 # I have an other question.. in firmware/target/arm/ looks very pp50xx specific.. what do you think about moving pp specific files to firmware/target/arm/pp50xx ? 18.51.34 # Well, that *could* be done this way for .c files, but not easily for .h files 18.52.18 # The target tree has a common structure: ///, which cannot be changed easily 18.52.48 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@84.119.25.207) 18.52.57 # ...*but* there was the idea to "redefine" for the ARM architecture a bit, and make it the arm "flavour" 18.53.31 # yes.. else /firmware/target/arm/tcc780x/cowond2 would we wrong or 18.53.48 # This is already done for s3c2440, pnx-0101, tcc77x and tcc780x 18.53.49 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.54.03 # Yeah, just that I would rename the latter to cowon-d2 18.54.33 # (to stay consistent with e.g. the gigabeats) 18.54.44 # Just for PP502x and PP5002 this isn't done yet 18.54.50 Join openforlife_ [0] (n=thomassu@50.80-203-112.nextgentel.com) 18.55.58 # I've a question about the vector loading routine: where exactly is the address defined from where the device is loading the vectors? 18.58.19 # * amiconn thinks it would be useful to do this move, but for ipod this will cause a bit of code duplication 18.58.38 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9og.cable.mindspring.com) 18.58.56 # ..because e.g. the greyscale lcd driver will exist both for pp5002 (1st..3rd gen) and pp502x (4th gen and minis) 18.59.47 # maybe put it to the not existing firmware/drivers/lcd/ folder? 19.00.09 # No, as it's clearly target specific code 19.00.21 # (in this case, pp specific) 19.00.40 # not easy.. 19.00.42 # The generic stuff already resides under firmware/drivers/ 19.01.04 # s/under/in/ 19.02.57 # amiconn: what rockbox target do you own? 19.03.19 # Wrong question... what rockbox target_s_ it is ;) 19.03.32 Quit openforlife_ () 19.04.12 # austriancoder: a lot, if you look at our christmas tower of rockbox (in the wiki) you'll see most of them... only 3 of all those are mine ;) 19.04.16 # Archos Player, Recorder v1, Ondio SP, Ondio FM, Iriver H180, Iriver H340, Iriver H10 6GB, iAudio X5, iPod 1st Gen, iPod 2nd Gen, Mini 2nd Gen 19.04.27 # Plus one not-yet target - iUadio M3 19.04.33 # *iAudio 19.04.50 # amiconn: Because I have an other patch waiting.. but I dont know how to procced with it - #8602 19.05.01 # wow 19.05.52 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.06.30 Quit Kage ("return(EXIT_SUCCESS);") 19.07.19 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.08.11 # amiconn, I don't understand your arguments for the revert 19.08.31 # Well the debug code is apps layer code 19.08.42 # what is your proposal for the target specific code in debug-menu? 19.09.04 # so you just don't like where it is being placed? 19.09.05 # It might make sense to create an apps/debug/ folder and put it there 19.09.15 # Yes, as target tree is firmware/ 19.09.20 # personally I would like ot see all target specific code in one easy to find location 19.09.47 # spreading it out does not really offer any added benefit in my mind 19.10.16 # Well, this way you spread debug code instead, which is not meant to stay permanently 19.10.55 # agreed, but that debug code is riddled with #ifdefs which makes it difficult to read 19.11.24 # and for at least the dm320 and s3c targets there are a few specific sections that are very target centric 19.11.27 # My main arguments are (1) keep debug code together so that this mostly temporary code stays together and (2) do not mix apps/ and firmware/ as that separation is there for a reason 19.11.44 # maybe its time to remove some debug stuff for some targets 19.12.12 # I don't think any of the targets are ready to have debug code removed 19.12.30 # I don't think there should be any target specific code in apps if it can be avoided 19.12.38 # The big problem is that sometimes even old debug code might become useful again. Some is also quite generic stuff that helps us tracking down user problems 19.12.43 # I understand that it is necessary though 19.13.19 # but I think the debug menu would be a good exception ot this rule, moving it to a new location just adds more complexity for a new port 19.13.48 # and I personally like being able to easoily modify the gigabeat debug menu's 19.13.52 # since I use that code alot 19.14.10 # wading through #ifdefs and code trees is painful at best 19.14.32 # plus the code in the target tree is pretty easy to pick out 19.14.41 # it's not like anyone will confuse what it is for 19.14.44 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 19.15.18 Quit openforlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.52 # amiconn, what is the reason for making that distinction in the target tree, maybe I could better address that particular concern if I understood why that is supposed to be a /hard/ rule? 19.20.04 # The distinction is between apps/ and firmware/ (whic target tree is a part of) 19.20.48 Quit courtc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.20.49 # amiconn: what does "spinlock" exactly do. I am aksing because of it used to encapsulate the frequency scaling 19.21.06 # excuse my typos... 19.21.10 # That question you need to ask jhMikeS... 19.21.13 # but apps and firmware are mixed in compilation anyway 19.21.29 # ok 19.22.11 # They aren't mixed 19.22.15 # all that's being moved, at least in the dm320 and s3c targets are two functions in the debug menu 19.22.21 # firmware/ is compiled into a library 19.22.57 # apps/ is compiled into single objects which are linked together and against the firmware library (librockbox.a) 19.23.24 # gotcha, I see 19.23.35 # waht about an apps/target tree? 19.23.57 # nice idea :) 19.24.10 # This distinction is mainly to keep a somewhat logical structure and avoid wild spaghetti calls 19.24.52 # I see 19.24.55 # apps/target doesn't make sense in general because apps/ should be as target independent as possible by definition 19.25.19 Part lazka ("cya") 19.25.29 # I can understand why you would be opposed to the mi, if there is an exception now then where is the line drawn in the future 19.25.33 # One of rockbox' goals is to act as similar as possible across all supported targets 19.26.04 # yeah, but in apps/target we could have specific code optimizations that are used in apps 19.26.07 # That's why I suggested the apps/debug/ sub-folder, which should be the only exception 19.27.12 # we have cpu specific code in apps though 19.27.32 # Yes, but *only* cpu, not more specific 19.27.59 # the target could be target/arm(coldfire, sh) 19.28.00 # This cpu specific code would also apply if someone e.g. runs a simulator on an arm based *nix 19.28.26 # similar to what is done in firmware 19.28.36 # (e.g. an xscale based pda) 19.28.43 # in this case it would require one deeper level for the target specifc debug code 19.29.13 # No, since the code in firmware/target/ is *target* specifc. Most of it isn't compiled at all for sims 19.29.36 # Just some target specific definitions are included from there 19.29.46 # the arm tree has cpu only specific code 19.30.07 # the mmu would be an example on arm vx and greater 19.30.07 # I am happy with apps/debug, but the question is how to organize files and even folders in there? 19.30.23 # The arm tree has cpu specific code which applies to targets only 19.30.36 # ok, gotcha 19.30.40 # For sims, the appropriate libs provided by the host system must be used 19.31.06 # I'm thinking that it would be difficult to seperate the cpu specific code out of apps anyway in a clean manner 19.31.29 # I just liked the idea of having all target specific code in a central location 19.31.30 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.31.32 # maybe something like apps/debug/.c 19.31.57 # the .lds scripts for apps.lds and boot.lds would be another example of something that owuld be nice to have in one place 19.32.05 # kkurbjun: Don't mix 'cpu specifc' and 'target specific' 19.32.44 # no, I'm not in what I said last, I liked having the target specific portions of the debug menu in the target tree 19.32.45 # The linker scripts *are* target specifc 19.32.51 # None of these are used for the sims 19.33.03 # it was a logical place without understanding the reason between the apps and firmware division 19.33.12 # I agree 19.33.25 # but not the plugin linker script 19.33.28 # So those scripts should of course be spilt and moved to firmware/target/ 19.33.35 # which has some target specific portions in it 19.33.52 # Yeah, the plugin linker script is a bit of a problem 19.33.55 # and plugin.lds depends on how apps.lds is setup 19.34.26 # ...since plugins reside on app layer, but the linking is target specifc 19.35.02 # yes, same with that debug code, it's in the apps layer but target specific 19.35.18 # We should probably move plugin.lds to target tree as well 19.35.39 # that breaks the divison though 19.35.55 # I personally would like to see all of those pieces in the target tree 19.36.04 # I think that's the logical place for it 19.36.07 # It doesn't, at least not nearly as much as moving the debug menu code 19.36.56 # yeah, I guess that debug code it linked into the library 19.37.03 # for firmware 19.37.03 # Nico_P: hi, could you fix the playback engine to call unbuffer events immediately after track has been played? if that would make it easier to fix the runtime data gathering from playback.c 19.37.15 # Nico_P: now that would be no longer a problem causing an extra spinup 19.37.16 # The plugin linker script is only used on target. Sim plugins are dynamic libs (.so / .dll). The linker scripts also don't do UI interaction 19.37.41 # The debug code does though, that's why it is clearly apps code, imo 19.37.48 # gotcha 19.38.06 # so you would like to see the .lds stuff in the target tree, but not the debug code 19.38.12 # yes 19.38.22 # I am ok with that since the debug code is not critical to getting a new port running 19.38.25 # In fact there will probably always be corner cases 19.39.09 # I will (hopefully soon) add an asm optimisation for the greyscale lib which is kind of target specfic 19.39.19 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 19.39.28 # a target specific section in apps for the debug code would be reasonable I think 19.39.39 # It doesn't depend on an exact target, but on both cpu (coldfire) and pixelformat 19.39.45 # I just don't want ot see the gigabeat code put back in the main debug menu 19.39.56 # Yes, that'd be my apps/debug/ suggestion 19.40.15 # Would be nice to hear other core dev opinions on this 19.40.16 # so do you think it would be apps/debug/arm/s3c..? 19.40.31 # yup, like that 19.40.51 # And the linker script should all be moved to target tree 19.40.57 # *scripts 19.41.01 # agreed 19.42.52 # so now that tree just needs to be created and some #ifdef sections added to the apps/SOURCES file 19.43.04 # or can you think of a better way to do it than the #ifdefs there? 19.44.53 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 19.45.46 # * pixelma will hand out all points she'll get to Slasheri :P 19.46.10 # and austriancoder 19.46.19 # Slasheri: yeah, that's quite easy to do 19.47.17 # Slasheri: what does your latest commit change? 19.47.59 # amiconn, where are the calls between firmware and apps distinguished? 19.48.17 # Nico_P: now calling update event wont cause a spinup, unless queue gets full 19.48.55 # Nico_P: so now it would be ok to call the unbuffer event immediately after a track has been finished 19.49.02 # kkurbjun: There's one important point: apps code calls firmware code, never the other way round 19.49.19 # Slasheri: cool! it will make things simpler 19.49.25 # Nico_P: nice :) 19.49.38 # Nico_P: i will probably improve that soon more 19.49.58 # I guess we can do it in the track_changed_callback and get rid of the track_unbuffer_callback 19.50.32 # Reverse actions always require callback registration (usually not the best solution) or sending events (better) 19.51.00 # amiconn, another arguement that I would like to bring up in that case then would be that the debug code follows that direction 19.51.19 # in that the apps code is calling that target specific chunk 19.51.21 # Nico_P: sounds great 19.51.33 # well 19.51.37 # Yeah, but it does UI interaction 19.51.50 # it's not a target specific call 19.52.00 # hmm 19.52.11 # that UI code is ont used in the sim either though 19.52.13 # I know there's one dirty case in firmware/ - RoLo 19.52.24 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.52.34 # That needs to be fixed anyway, since it isn't localised either 19.52.34 # /ont/not 19.53.26 # what about a call that returns an array of data to then be used in the UI? 19.53.43 # but the UI interface is defined in apps 19.54.52 # oh, gotcha, the ui calls in the target tree are the problem - sorry, I just connected that 19.56.33 # so what about that call for the data, but not the UI definition? 19.56.34 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.43 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 19.57.45 Quit ol_schoola () 19.58.13 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.58.52 # that could also give the other targets debug menu's a familiar appearance and a unified UI in debug as an added benefit - it also seems like more work than necessary for a debug menu - at the same time the tree should be kept as clean as possible 20.01.25 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 20.01.31 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.03.04 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 20.05.48 # amiconn, I am going ahead and sanatizing the apps calls from the debug code and just returning filled buffers of data to display as an alternative 20.05.58 # for the gigabeat and dm320 at least 20.06.12 Join Tarth [0] (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 20.06.13 # that will keep those reverse calls out 20.06.41 # jhMikeS: I find the headphone debounce delay too long 20.07.07 Quit mcuelenaere (Client Quit) 20.07.21 # did you have any problems with it before your change? 20.07.45 # hello i still cant get rockbox to work on my ipod60gb 20.08.07 # i'm running xp pro now 20.08.40 # used the auto installer and nothing, the crappod just reboots normal. what did i do wrong? 20.08.53 # Tarth, have you tried doing a manual installation? 20.09.13 # no. will that work? i hate ipods 20.09.31 # it should work. 20.09.33 # pixelma: ups, you meant that red.. fixing :) 20.10.28 # i sure hope this works! 20.11.32 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.13.20 # Tarth: do you think you will hate your ipod less with rockbox on it? 20.13.30 # i cant tell you how much i hate apple and their apple software only player. 20.13.40 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.13.47 # yes i will love it. 20.14.00 Join midgey_ [0] (n=tjross@wuser91-union.umnet.umich.edu) 20.14.04 # drag and drop, plays vid files without conversion 20.14.24 # Tarth, have you read the manual? you still need to convert video for rockbox. 20.14.27 # i could care less about less battier life, 20.14.31 # several times 20.15.54 # i think this was my trouble before, the bootloader runs under xp only, and the autoinstall does read its not updayed 20.16.27 # wonderful, bootupdate is doing its thing 20.17.45 # are you using rbutil? 20.18.03 # yes i was. 20.18.52 # it put all the stuff where it needed. exseped the bootstrap 20.19.05 # Tarth, the term is the bootloader 20.19.09 Quit midgey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.26 # all right bootloader says installed sucsessfully 20.20.08 # halaula 20.20.18 # now to read tinny print 20.20.18 # guess it worked... 20.21.10 # im so happy 20.22.23 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 20.22.51 # how to add my own fonts i wonder 20.23.28 # i like lucida console 20.24.02 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3c48630e10ddb25d) 20.24.45 # Tarth: with great difficulty (because most fonts today are vector fonts, and Rockbox needs bitmap fonts) 20.25.21 # Tarth: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts 20.26.06 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.27.36 # thank you 20.29.07 # markun: it bounces like crazy and plugging makes it go play, plause, play, pause ... as you plug or extract the headphones. perhaps it could be shortened a bit but not too much. 20.29.52 # jhMikeS: is this on the gigabeat? 20.29.59 # though I can't imagine why 1s so long 20.30.05 # kkurbjun: yes 20.30.32 # have you seen the hardware filter you can use on ports? 20.30.39 # it can be adjusted for any target really 20.31.30 # this would be specifically a gigabeat F feature, but the ports have a debouncing filter that is somewhat programmable 20.31.46 # kkurbjun: didn't notice that but why would that change anything re: the contact frequency? 20.32.13 # jhMikeS: 1s is long because I loose 1 second of my audio book for example. But I guess I could let it rewind 1s after unpause. 20.32.28 # well, yeah, actually I might be thinking of an external interupt debouncing feature 20.32.37 # argh exploer forze and wont restart. does anyone know of a sortcut to rebooting? 20.32.46 # I never had problems with play, pause, play, etc 20.32.49 # and youre right it won't change how long it will have to be filtered for 20.32.58 # so nevemind :P 20.32.59 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-48-178.net.novis.pt) 20.33.04 Quit midgey_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.33.37 # Tarth: CTRL+SHIFT+ESC and then kill it and start it again in "run task"? 20.34.15 # markun: when I was checking that out the short rewind worked nicely. the bouncing is much more noticeable with video. 20.34.28 # well thats just it xp wont resarte xp. lol i love fire fox keeps running. brb 20.34.36 # plug really slowly 20.34.50 # jhMikeS: ah, never tried it with video 20.35.06 # the fire demo app wont exit in rockbox 20.35.13 Quit Horscht ("User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI") 20.35.20 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@wuser91-union.umnet.umich.edu) 20.35.25 # what, sorry select menu did it 20.35.28 # I guess you'd have to disable the one-shot to see it though 20.35.36 # brb 20.35.53 # austriancoder: There's still some red left... 20.36.17 Quit amiconn (" bbl") 20.38.49 Part pixelma 20.38.53 # Tarth: We have a lovely manual which documents that (and a lot of other stuff) 20.39.35 # markun: another way to see the bouncing is to set the timeout really short and also use the rewind feature and watch it rewind by several settings intervals on a single unplug or plug 20.40.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.41.18 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B03174C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.41.31 Join Tarth_ [0] (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 20.42.11 # how do i fix...rockbox ipod60gb form freezing my com when usb connected? 20.42.40 Quit Tarth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.42.43 Nick Tarth_ is now known as Tarth (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 20.43.08 # how do i fix...rockbox ipod60gb form freezing my com when usb connected? 20.43.29 # Tarth: there is no need of repeating yourself. 20.43.29 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.43.46 # can you elaborate "freezing" a bit further? Rockbox doesn't have a usb mode (yet) 20.44.50 # current SVN tries inits threads from within the tick ISR so freezing is to be expected at this time 20.45.06 # well i put the ipod on the usb corb, and no programs, explorer, task bar. will respond, but however the numlock will respond. the processor seems to be not to bussy 20.45.21 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 20.45.40 # are there speacial driver for rock box? 20.45.40 # jhMikeS: freezing of the host PC? 20.45.45 # * bluebrother is puzzled 20.45.46 # yes 20.46.12 # no, once the usb driver is working it will be a UMS device. No driver required 20.46.45 # well that worked before. 20.46.54 # Tarth: Where did you download Rockbox from? 20.47.24 # rockbox.org 20.47.28 # Or did you install using the Rockbox utility? 20.47.35 # bothy 20.47.50 # Then that's not the problem at least 20.48.12 # well ok. whats my particualr xps problem you think then? 20.48.35 # I quite frankly have no idea 20.48.46 # amiconn, what do you think of this as a solution? :http://pastebin.com/m456bcec2 20.49.01 # Tarth: What happens on the ipod when you plug it in? 20.49.05 # there it does it again 20.49.08 # it's a bit messy right now because of the diff 20.49.19 # all microsft thing die 20.49.43 # in running chatzilla off oof firefox 20.49.52 # Slasheri: did your commit actualy fix the problem? in my tests it didnt? 20.50.18 # unplug it and now everthings dandy 20.50.21 # Tarth: What happens on the ipod when you plug it in? 20.50.33 # i swear i will burn this thing 20.50.41 # Err. Didn't mean to do that, but you didn't answer my question in fact 20.51.29 # bluebrother: well, I doubt that 20.52.15 # jHMikeS: as you are the expert -> what does "spinlock" exactly do? i am asking because it's used for encapsulating the frequency scaling. 20.52.36 # goes from theme usb splash to check mark do not disconnect screen 20.53.38 # the "do not disconnect" screen is apple's usb mode. 20.54.10 # That indicates a problem with Windows that is not Rockbox related 20.54.23 # Buschel: mutual exclusion between processor cores 20.54.24 # Or a problem with the Apple firmware I suppose 20.54.54 # i thought rockbox replaces apple firmware.? 20.54.59 # jhMikeS: somethin like a cross-core mutex? 20.55.32 # it does. But apples bootloader and emergency usb mode is still present. 20.55.40 # Buschel: right. no on-core task swiches happen 20.55.48 # @Rockbox Devs: I like the KeyTone option, bus is there a chance to get a third option for it? Yes/No/All_but_Volume ? 20.55.50 # and as Rockbox doesn't have a complete usb driver (yet) it uses emergency disc mode 20.55.55 # Tarth: It doesn't, it lives alongside it. And currently Rockbox reboots into Apple's Disk mode for USB functionality when USB is plugged in 20.57.37 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.57.54 # Buschel: It's just the corelock wrapped to allow reentrancy by the core that holds the lock (which makes things easier to deal with). 20.58.05 # * gevaerts has now improved the usb storage code so much that it doesn't work any more 20.58.35 # so what if i put the ipod in disk mode manually frist. what is it play select? 20.59.21 # Tarth: Yeah, try that and see if your computer still freezes when connecting. That should rule out the last remote chance that what you're seeing is Rockbox related 20.59.28 # poor build table 20.59.44 # gevaerts: nice ;-) 21.00.09 # preglow: Oh my, colourful 21.00.33 # i can ust atl tab but mycomputer wont open up to look at the new drive 21.01.06 # hell i can even open mydocuments on the desktop 21.01.18 # Tarth: Right, then it is not a Rockbox problem, and as such off topic for this channel 21.01.24 # but it wont let me go up levels 21.01.30 # ok ok 21.01.39 # kill explorer.exe using the task manager and restart it manually. Or reboot. 21.01.59 # one last quetion, rock box will work in win98? 21.02.14 # Rockbox runs on your player, not on the PC. 21.02.23 # jhMikeS: hmm, can a spinlock/-unlock sequence be interrupted by interrupt or any task switching at all? 21.02.43 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955C79C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.02.47 # Tarth: If you have iTunes installed, try getting rid of that (either completely or temporarily by killing all itunes related processes) 21.02.52 # and apples disc mode is simply UMS. You just need a UMS USB driver (on w98, later versions of windows already have such a driver) 21.02.52 # JdGordon: what problem? i didn't notice any 21.02.52 # goodbye thank you 21.02.57 Quit Tarth ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 21.03.41 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.05.12 Quit soap () 21.05.41 # Buschel: if there's no yield obviously no task switch will happen but right now it's not safe to yield inside it but my kernel cleanup makes it possible. an interrupt can happen if interrupts aren't disabled. 21.07.04 Join Philll [0] (n=irc-Feb2@81.174.248.22) 21.08.47 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne142.ugent.be) 21.09.39 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.09.44 # really, I wouldn't recommend allowing a switch when holding it. it's meant for code that shouldn't switch on core but to serialize thing between cores unlike a mutex with handles any thread from any core. 21.09.54 Quit Bagder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.10.37 # jhMikeS: of course. I am asking because i was wondering, if changing the clock could be interrupted by other tasks 21.10.57 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 21.11.01 # which would be kind of suicide 21.13.35 # That's why the disable and slight delays which are to keep the other core unclocked while the clock changing core sets the registers. 21.13.38 # Slasheri: the extra spinning up 21.14.28 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 21.14.35 # JdGordon: well, i didn't notice that 21.14.41 # at least the queuing seems to work well now 21.14.53 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.16.40 Join webguest04 [0] (n=5b11d003@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ccf2b4f2e2cb0ce0) 21.16.56 # jhMikeS: there is a flyspray entry which describes issues with cross-fading between different codecs. the user sais this issue comes up more often since my power patch, but they were there before. my only idea is the frequency scaling... 21.18.49 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.19.52 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-76-240-237-113.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 21.20.13 # I'm not sure why it should be an issue unless the new code make frequency switching take much longer than before for some weird reason 21.21.40 Quit gevaerts ("back later") 21.23.07 Join BlackChaos [0] (i=BlackCha@ool-182cdaac.dyn.optonline.net) 21.24.42 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.05 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.27.05 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.29.25 Quit midgey () 21.32.18 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@wuser91-union.umnet.umich.edu) 21.33.02 Quit Philll () 21.34.22 Quit ol_schoola () 21.34.51 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.14 Quit Buschel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.46.48 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d21ed2e5c5a1688a) 21.47.07 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.47.26 # i'm having trouble figuring out how to select the progress bar style 21.47.38 # is there an option for that somewhere? 21.47.43 # right now i just get a blank line 21.48.13 Quit webguest04 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.49.28 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 21.50.22 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.12 # on the current build page some models have different build numbers to others why? 21.52.52 # because of austriancoder ;-) 21.53.04 # they don't build atm 21.53.42 Join robin0800_ [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.54.20 Join Axio_ [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 21.54.52 # * petur seems to miss amiconn today... either he's online, or me... 21.55.11 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.55.17 # is there someone I could ask about the progress bar in WPS files? 21.55.24 # i have everything else working for Cabbie 21.55.43 # but the progress bar doesn't appear unless i load the theme from inside rockbox, and i can't figure out why 21.56.58 Quit Axio_ (Client Quit) 21.58.59 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 22.01.06 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.01.06 Nick robin0800_ is now known as robin0800 (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.01.54 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 22.03.38 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=543c9834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a44750348743eb64) 22.04.15 Quit Ubuntuxer (Client Quit) 22.04.19 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=543c9834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-278b5234d5db282c) 22.05.12 Quit Ubuntuxer (Client Quit) 22.06.01 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 22.07.06 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 22.07.44 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 22.08.29 # nice creative progress 22.09.31 # ? 22.09.40 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 22.09.50 # creative zen version:m 22.09.54 # vision:m even 22.10.14 # running custom code 22.11.27 Quit J (Nick collision from services.) 22.11.39 Join morrijr [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 22.12.43 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 22.13.03 # wow... 22.17.15 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7E34.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.17.53 # is the vision M the furthest along TI target? 22.18.00 # awesome! 22.18.18 # i may have to get one in order to play with that cool new DSP compiler TI released 22.18.36 Quit timl ("Leaving") 22.18.45 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.18.47 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-106-62.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.18.54 # the mrobe500 already did sound 22.22.37 # ... just waiting for eigima to commit it 22.23.45 # Hurray, another language brougt up to date 22.24.41 Join ally_oxxxooo [0] (n=asdokeas@c-69-141-95-124.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.24.55 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.25.12 Quit soap () 22.25.12 # Bagder: What do you think of FS#8578? 22.25.19 # hey guys, i have a question. My ipod nano is not formated with FAT32 because i have a Mac. Can i still formate it from a linux machine? 22.26.03 # rasher: sounds good to me! 22.26.32 Join IRCMonkey [0] (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 22.26.36 # any ideas? 22.27.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 22.27.33 # i gave you that wiki page a few hours ago, already 22.27.56 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 22.28.02 # how hard is it to port an app to rockbox? 22.28.33 # it depends 22.28.42 # Bagder: The thing for the Player is rather obvious, but what about not shipping outdated languages? 22.29.37 # ok something writen in visual basic 6 in windows 22.29.41 # My personal preference is that I'd rather use an English interface than a 25% Danish and 75% English interface 22.29.41 # rasher: well, it doesn't make a lot of sense to ship them, but then they don't hurt much and a crappy translation file might serve as a motivation for people to work on it more than a missing file 22.29.49 # hello :-) - is there any page on TWiki that talks about RB bootloader? 22.29.55 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.30.17 # hey guys, i have a question. My ipod nano is not formated with FAT32 because i have a Mac. Can i still formate it from a linux machine? 22.30.23 # WTF 22.30.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 22.30.27 # Bagder: Indeed. I guess I can add it as disabled and and then it can be disabled at release time (...) 22.30.37 # true 22.30.59 # But excluding literally useless languages for the Player is a no-brainer 22.31.15 # Casainho: there really isn't that much to say in generic terms about it. but there are a few target-specific pages about the boot, like IaudioBoot 22.31.31 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 22.31.50 Join S [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-165-201.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.32.15 # Bagder: okok, I will read that IaudioBoot - I was expecting a general page to link to them :-) 22.32.36 # Casainho: the bootloader isn't a lot to document 22.32.36 # argh 22.32.56 # Does anyone object to switching the seek buttons on Sansa to use the ones that appear to be left and right when the player is flipped? 22.33.00 # other than internal functionality of course, and we bascially never document that 22.33.26 # how do i unmount my ipod? 22.33.33 # rasher: are you talking mpegplayer then? 22.33.46 # Bagder: Ah yes, rather important detail 22.34.09 # It doesn't make much sense imho to use the actual left/right buttons, even though they have seek symbols printed on them 22.34.14 # on linux, it's usualy "umount /dev/sdX" 22.34.14 # Bagder: eheh - but for new people like me, I think is importante... well, If have time, I will write a basic page bout it :-) 22.34.17 # * Bagder never watches video on his sansa... 22.34.21 # ally_oxxxooo 22.34.32 # Casainho: indeed, go ahead! 22.34.34 # Bagder: Then imagine having to use up/down to seek in the wps.. it feels really strange 22.35.28 # sounds like a valid point 22.36.42 # I think the Gigabeat is flipped, but then that doesn't have seek symbols printed on it afaik 22.36.55 # yes horscht? 22.37.08 # can i do "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32" from my linux computer? 22.37.15 # or do i need access to a mac? 22.38.02 # both would probably work 22.39.44 # the wiki is focused on mac, but all the terminal commands should work on Linux as well. a few have to be modified (linux usualy uses /dev/sdX instead of /dev/diskN iirc 22.39.57 Quit midgey () 22.40.17 # yeah horscht i just unmounted my ipod nano from my Mac 22.40.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.40.39 # now im taking it to my linux pc and trying to download the partition and terminal commands 22.40.42 # hope this works! 22.40.48 # no, this wont work 22.41.36 # or maybe it will, but most linux distros will mount Universal mass storage devices 22.41.48 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.41.52 # so you'll have to unmount it in linux again 22.42.24 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.43.02 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-1120pbg.dsl.mindspring.com) 22.43.05 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.43.18 # horscht im not sure what "DiskN" is, can you explain? 22.43.31 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.43.42 # it is a known bug with the lists using viewports patch to have the icons not aligned with the text? 22.44.22 # darn Horscht, I was able to unmount my ipod on my Mac but i can't figure out how on linux, any ideas? 22.44.44 # same command, different device probably 22.44.55 # oh never mind i found it 22.44.57 # umount /dev/ 22.45.06 # i just right-click the icon and there is "unmount" 22.45.18 # horscht: im not too good with linux commands hehe, still learning though 22.45.31 # can you explain what "diskN" is? 22.45.38 # saratoga: I don't understand your problem have with the progress bar in the wps. In cabbiev2 it is simply a bmp (which should be in the cabbiev2 folder as other bitmaps used by the WPS) and is referenced from the .wps file 22.45.39 # i think that will actually eject the device, not only unmount it 22.45.47 # ally_oxxxooo, it's a variable 22.46.00 # but how do i find out which diskN i use for my ipod 22.46.11 # it's the "name" of the device 22.46.11 Quit jac0b (Client Quit) 22.46.11 # i mean, to find out what "diskN" is assigned to my ipod 22.46.21 # oh mine is "ally's ipod" 22.46.25 # no 22.46.51 # NOTE you must replace "diskN" with the correct name of the disk device assigned to your iPod - disk1, disk2 etc. Using an incorrect device name in this command may result in the partition table for another hard disk in your system being changed. Which is very bad news. 22.47.12 # on *nix systems, every hardware has an entry in /dev/ 22.47.20 # right 22.47.52 # is it "/media/Ally's Ipod" ? 22.47.53 # on linux, your ipod could be sdb, but I can't tell you for sure 22.48.05 # no, that's teh mountpoint 22.48.13 # ah 22.48.22 # this is where /dev/ is mounted too 22.48.22 # what command can i type to find out what diskN? 22.48.38 # that, I don't know 22.48.48 # :( 22.49.17 # does anyone know what diskN is assigned to an ipod? 22.49.53 # it's different on every system, ally_oxxxooo 22.50.11 # i know, but im saying... how do i know which diskN to use? 22.50.12 # sigh* 22.50.20 # * ally_oxxxooo confused now 22.50.46 # i use Ubuntu horscht 22.50.47 # rasher: do I see correctly that you excluded bulgarian for the player? AFAIK bulgarian uses mostly cyrillic like characters and those should work there. Just asking... 22.51.12 # ally_oxxxooo, type "nano /etc/mtab" 22.51.36 # ok 22.51.52 # sda3? 22.51.57 # and look for a line that looks like /dev/XXXXX /media/Ally's Ipod 22.51.59 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 22.52.23 # yes its /dev/sda3 /media/Ally's Ipod 22.52.28 # great work Horscht :) 22.52.41 # /dev/sda is your ipod then 22.52.57 # so, type "sudo umount /dev/sda3" 22.53.02 # ok 22.53.12 # wait, exit nano first 22.53.21 # i did 22.53.24 # by pressing CTRL + C 22.53.28 # ah, ok 22.53.42 # that is weird 22.53.48 # it says command not found 22.54.07 # * petur is thoroughly puzzled... removing the SLEEP ata command (which never fails) solves the freezing. PIO modes and ata timings have some influence but don't prevent freezing... :( 22.54.10 # sudo umount 22.54.28 # note that on linux, capitalization is important 22.54.34 # same thing when i type "sudo unmount" command not found 22.54.47 # ohh 22.54.56 # i spelled it wrong 22.54.56 # sorry 22.55.04 # okay 22.55.07 # umount, not unmount 22.55.13 # i umount it just now 22.55.18 # ok, before proceding further 22.55.20 # pixelma: right, I'm confused. Cyrillic works on Player. See I knew that, because I didn't exclude Russian, and yet... I'll fix. 22.55.39 Quit n1s () 22.56.18 # :) 22.56.35 # ally_oxxxooo, whenever http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 talks about diskN, that's "sda" 22.56.36 # pixelma: the progress bar doesn't update 22.56.46 # sda or sda3? 22.56.51 # diskNs2 is sda3 22.56.51 # it just draws the backdrop and the text, but doesn't actually scroll 22.56.58 # pixelma: I may have missed something else - if you find languages that won't work on the Player, feel free to fix 22.57.00 # obviously i'm not setting something, but i have no idea what 22.57.20 # I'll go to bed now 22.57.20 # so you want me to put diskNs2 ? 22.57.30 # no, you follow the wiki link 22.57.40 # im on the wiki link now 22.57.43 # saratoga: I can't imagine what it is because the progress bar is a wps thing only 22.57.44 # and everytime it talks about disN, you use sda instead 22.57.48 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-200-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.57.53 # and whenever it uses diskNs2, you use sda3 22.58.01 # yeah horscht i thougth that was right :) 22.59.17 Quit IRCMonkey ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 22.59.20 # hmmm... from my knowledge, it should be sda2 instead of sda3, though 22.59.47 # I am going to bed now, though 22.59.47 # nn 22.59.52 Quit ender` (" Debian comes in three flavours: stale, rusting and broken.") 23.00.08 # dd: opening `mbr-nano2gb.bin': No such file or directory 23.00.14 # the file is on my desktop.. 23.00.21 # why does it give me an error? 23.00.27 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 23.00.42 # because you're in your home directory 23.00.46 # not your desktop 23.00.50 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.00.51 # cd Desktop 23.00.56 # im on ally@ally-desktop 23.01.23 # ally-desktop is your computers name 23.01.30 # ah sorry 23.02.04 # anyone can tell me how many MB RB bootloader typically use? 1MB? 4 MB? 23.02.08 # Bagder: What was the problem with your patch on FS#8482? It seems to work for me 23.02.11 # okay so i think its working now Horscht: 1+0 records in 23.02.11 # 1+0 records out 23.02.11 # 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0595284 seconds, 8.6 kB/s 23.02.14 # saratoga: what target are you testing with? Not that I have an idea if it changes something but who knows... 23.02.25 # pixelma: just the gigabeat sim 23.02.38 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.02.47 # rasher: I don't remember right now but I had some problems. Do you build with make -j ? 23.02.49 # i get no progress bar until I load the actual theme file, though everything else in cabbie works fine with my latest patch 23.02.53 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 23.03.18 # Bagder: Ah, no I don't 23.03.53 # "statusbar: on" refers to the bar at the bottom with the icons right? or is that the progress bar 23.03.54 # Casainho: you mean on flash ? My sansa c200's bootloader.bin is 55004 bytes 23.04.19 # saratoga: no that refers to the statusbar in the menus and browser 23.04.21 # btw, ally_oxxxooo. I think you'll have to replace diskN2 with sda2 instead of sda3. I assume Mac Ipods have a different partition setup, winpods only have 2 partitions 23.04.23 # Bagder: Still seems to work fine with -j 3 (although my cpu doens't like it) 23.04.34 # * Bagder silently mentions that he advocates u-boot for Casainho 23.04.35 # now, final nn 23.04.45 # gevaerts: yes, I was talking on flash... - so at least 100kB should be ok :-) 23.04.54 # I'll upload a modified patch against current svn in a moment 23.04.57 # oh 23.05.01 # that sucks! :( 23.05.08 # rasher: ok, I'll try that when you've done it 23.05.40 # Bagder: eheh :-) - thank you for remember :-) - well, can you estimate a size for the u-boot? do you think that u-boot makes sense in a comercial player? 23.06.06 # u-boot is used in hundreds of commercial devices already 23.06.11 # so I don't see why not 23.06.26 # and it's size can easily be below 100K, depending on what features you enable 23.06.34 # mrf 23.06.45 # Bagder: Done 23.07.43 # Bagder: ah, okok, I am writing on TWiki about space for RB bootloader, so in this case can be the u-boot, with about 100kB :-) - thank you. 23.08.15 # well, it would be fairly easy to check the size 23.08.23 # u-boot is already there for the at91sam9 target 23.08.31 # Bagder: you might want to add some magic in the apps/lang/Makefile to re-implement what I just committed to buildzip.pl 23.09.19 # did you miss a svn add perhaps? 23.09.40 # for the apps/lang/Makefile 23.09.42 # Ah.. 23.10.11 # I do have the previous one still present though 23.11.04 # gah, and then I pick a target that is red atm... :-) 23.11.11 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-76-233.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.11.39 # * amiconn is about to correct austriancoder's mess 23.11.46 # thanks! 23.12.37 # Ah, there comes the sysfont.h error for me. 23.12.57 # Which is rather obvious, since I'd been building for Player previously.. 23.13.31 # * petur will then bother amiconn with his CF mess 23.13.40 # meh 23.14.40 # sorry for bothering ;) 23.15.05 # Bagder: I suppose apps/lang/Makefile should use makesrc.inc and the SOURCES should be split by BITMAP/non-bitmap 23.15.35 # amiconn, did you see the pastbin code I sent 23.15.50 # Bagder: Does the build system perhaps need a bit of poking? 23.15.53 # as an alternative solution to keep app calls out of firmware 23.18.00 # amiconn: it does seem to have halted, but I don't see why... 23.18.01 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.18.08 # rasher: btw. the two strings on your "deutsch.lang problems" page that are marked "unnecessary" are like intended. This is because "disk" is translated differently - one more like "hard disk" and the other for flash targets; for me this works as expected with deutsch.lang and a german voice file even though english.lang doesn't make this distinction 23.18.26 # * petur hands Bagder his big boots 23.18.46 # * gevaerts wonders if RoLo not making rockbox save it's settings like on shutdown can be considered a bug 23.19.33 # kkurbjun: That would avoid UI interaction in the target specific code, but it would not avoid debug code scattering 23.19.45 # * amiconn wonders what Bagder thinks about this issue 23.19.55 # pixelma: Yeah - it's just a guideline anyway. I'm just hilighting potential problems. A human needs to check what to do (in this case, nothing) 23.22.17 # I've not seen this particular pastebin, but I do agree with amiconn about debug screen being apps code so moving it to firmware/target isn't the nicest 23.22.30 # hey guys, my ipod is not getting detected, any ideas why? 23.22.49 # im using rbuild utility but its not detecting my ipod and the install fails 23.23.41 # rasher: yes, understood. It's just that the explanation below this headline sounded harsher than the others :) 23.24.00 # pixelma: True, but there's also a much higher probability that it's an error 23.24.12 # Bagder: Today's log starting 18:40, and kkurbjuns suggestion http://pastebin.com/m456bcec2 23.24.19 # pixelma: So that's a feature, not a bug 23.24.41 # both true :) 23.24.59 # It's rather the opposite of that - the lack of AI in the script ;) 23.25.03 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 23.26.07 # amiconn: did you seem my puzzledness at 22:54? 23.26.33 # * rasher notes that FS#8482 will free 11779 bytes on the Player 23.26.53 # If only it didn't break every bitmap build.. 23.28.32 # and the Player doesn't even have a bin size problem 23.28.48 # heheh 23.29.15 # Well it should also save a good deal for the rest of the targets! Right now, several hundred kilobytes! 23.29.18 # build table back in green shade with yellow stripe 23.30.01 # what a mess 23.30.52 # Bagder: Weird, when I build I get a "create sysfont.h" line, and then later on it errors out with No rule to make target `sysfont.h'? 23.31.09 # kind of ironic that there were more points awarded for the bad reversion than for the original commit ;-) 23.31.57 # rasher: I think the latter is because the deps file hasn't got the correct path to the file 23.32.14 # Aha 23.32.30 # which typically happens when the file doesn't exist when the dep file is created 23.33.04 # there's a hack in there for the lang.h exactly for that reason 23.33.27 # in tools/make.inc 23.34.00 # would be interesting to try the same for sysfont to see if that fixes it 23.34.13 # Crikey 23.34.14 Quit ally_oxxxooo ("Ex-Chat") 23.34.34 # I think that's over my head 23.34.51 # that's really an effect of our automatic dependency-generation and a slight lack of options for gcc for that purpose 23.37.16 # I won't even pretend to understand what make.inc is doing 23.38.32 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 23.39.04 # hm, yes it does seem to fix the problem... 23.39.08 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.39.20 # Commit! 23.39.24 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955C867.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.39.27 # I'll just test some more first 23.39.35 # Yeah - did you get the latest version? 23.39.40 # v5, yes 23.39.46 # Great 23.40.23 # lots of warnings on the languages.... 23.40.44 # Yeah, most of those are just genlang being silly (no quotes around none) 23.40.45 # should we make sure they cause yellows? 23.41.08 Join aneka [0] (n=kvirc@66.251.25.253) 23.41.19 # I think so 23.41.28 # ah but then genlang should be poked to not whine on silly things 23.41.33 # Indeed 23.41.37 # I'll have a look 23.41.38 # and the warnings should be changed to look like other warnings better 23.41.48 # amiconn: gtg, the last state is that it seems related to the reset, ie not setting the sleeping flag also solves the freezing 23.42.00 Quit petur ("gonne") 23.48.07 # Bagder: Changed in which way? I've added a check to the if statement before the "no quotes around voice" line to check if the voice is "none", but I'm not sure that's the appropriate place 23.49.05 # rasher: Btw, while the now included languages should all work on the player in general, it might be that a very few characters are missing. 23.49.45 # In particular, I know of 2 such characters for czech. Probably something to check and add... 23.50.00 # How about Polish? 23.50.11 # That should be okay 23.50.13 Quit gregzx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.32 # rasher: I think that's a fine place to do the change 23.51.02 Quit aneka ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 23.51.07 # Okay. How should the errors look, then? 23.51.11 # It's not that we'd need to exclude a language just because of a single character. Rather the font (built in in case of player) should be fixed or adjusted 23.51.51 # The "no such char" symbol will show up in a few places 23.52.15 Join gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 23.52.39 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 23.52.45 Quit desowin () 23.52.47 Quit Axio (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.53.18 # rasher: so my v6 is now uploaded for test 23.53.22 # :wq 23.53.25 # Right. 23.53.41 # * amiconn compiles a fresh build 23.53.54 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.55.43 # how do I combine several #defines into a string using the preprocessor? 23.55.52 # ## 23.56.12 # won't that just combine the define names and not their values? 23.56.23 # Bagder: I get a cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory before the genlang lines 23.56.32 # I tried LCD_WIDTH##x##LCD_HEIGHT 23.56.34 # #a makes a string out of the contents of a 23.56.50 # rasher: oh right, now I see I get those too... 23.56.59 # http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.3/cpp/Stringification.html#Stringification or http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.3/cpp/Concatenation.html#Concatenation 23.57.06 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.57.16 # so I want #LCD_WIDTHxLCD_HEIGHT? 23.58.02 # well that wouldn't work. #define foo(a) #a \n foo(LCD_WIDTH) "x" foo(LCD_HEIGHT) might work 23.58.13 # and even that's not sure 23.58.26 # I think it's a vague area in ansi 23.58.26 # i just want to make a string that has the LCD's width and height 23.58.28 # * amiconn wonders what saratoga wants to do 23.58.34 # the ordering of the cpp operations