--- Log for 18.02.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.05 # that "cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory" thing would be nice to mute 00.00.07 # Would #LCD_WIDTH ## x ## #LCD_HEIGHT work ? Or maybe without the spaces ? 00.00.21 # Bagder: Right, forgot about that. 00.00.21 # Iiuc this should work using: "cabbiev2." #LCD_WIDTH "x" #LCD_HEIGHT "x" #LCD_DEPTH ".bmp" 00.00.29 # nope, you can only use # on arguments given to your macro 00.00.47 # Ah, yes 00.01.09 # Hmm, just concatenating might work 00.01.13 # (without any #) 00.01.50 # "int string int" doesn't look like something the compiler will like 00.02.19 # its not really an int though right? 00.02.27 # the preprocessor only does strings i think 00.02.45 # hmm 00.02.46 # the preprocessor will output: 240 "x" 320 00.02.51 # and then the compile will freak out 00.02.54 Quit MethoS_mobile (Remote closed the connection) 00.02.54 # +r 00.03.06 # ah, found it: 00.03.13 # #define WIDTH 12 00.03.13 # #define bar(a) foo(a) 00.03.13 # #define foo(a) #a 00.03.17 # bar(WIDTH) 00.03.50 # Yeah, that's one example in the 'stringification' chapter 00.04.53 # maybe it'd be better to just change the build script to not put the resolution in the backdrop file name 00.05.04 # saratoga: that sounds complicated. In my non-coder understanding I thought you could just make it load the cabbiev2.cfg and are done with it? 00.05.17 # * gevaerts wonders why he's trying to concatenate strings instead of finding out why these SCSI changes won't work 00.05.37 # pixelma: unfortunately the default theme isn't loaded from a file, but is compiled into the source 00.06.19 # yes, and I thought that the compiled in should stay the text only one... 00.06.37 # but that it should load another as default 00.06.55 # rasher: that genlang change can be committed totally separately 00.07.00 # the ugly default one is in the source? 00.07.00 # what would be the sense of loading one theme and then immediately loading a second? 00.07.01 # ouch 00.07.05 # I fixed the error output now 00.07.11 # commit pending 00.07.27 # * rasher stands well back 00.07.41 # preglow: well its in the source in the sense that settings_list.c initializes each setting to the ones that make up the default theme 00.08.09 # Yes, the default wps is built-in - in order to have *anything* available if the disk based one isn't loadable for some reason 00.08.59 # saratoga: Changing the default wps should be as simple as changing that string in settings_list... 00.09.12 # saratoga: but if you are going to compile all parts of cabbiev2 it's going to increase bin size for no reason and wouldn't it increase load time massively even if you use your own? 00.09.38 # amiconn: cabbiev2 is not only a WPS 00.09.59 # * amiconn still doesn't like cabbie (any version) for several reasons though 00.10.11 # pixelma: Then change those settings as well 00.10.27 # amiconn: yes, so simple . . . 00.10.56 # there is no default backdrop yet, for example 00.11.03 # pixelma: no it doesn't change the bin size significantly (just whatever the difference in string lengths for the default and cabbie themes) 00.11.03 # There sure is 00.11.14 # The default backdrop is just NULL 00.11.25 # bmps still get loaded off the disk 00.11.33 # ah, ok 00.11.46 # saratoga: Why do you need to concatenate those strings for setting that default? I don't get that 00.11.46 # amiconn: you have to admit that *anything* as a default is prettier than the current default. New users will no longer think "ew nasty!", but they might think "I don't like this theme", which is infinitely better 00.12.09 # I also don't like Cabbiev2 very much, but the default needs to be prettier than the current.. 00.12.22 # * gevaerts thinks the current default is very nice 00.12.25 # It's not like we're not allowed to change it later 00.12.28 # amiconn: unfortunately i made the build script copy the source file name for each backdrop, and the file names tend to include the resolution since theres 1 for each target 00.12.58 # saratoga: couldn't it just remove the resolution when copying to the zip? 00.13.02 # The on-disk versions of the files should of course *not* include the resolution in their name 00.13.04 # i thought the most elegant way would be to have the preprocessor figure it out, but maybe thats too hard to do 00.13.18 # buildzip.pl does that for the wps'es afaik 00.13.28 # Seems the saner route to go 00.13.32 # amiconn: ok if everyone prefers that, its a trivial change to make 00.14.03 # I think you should do that instead 00.14.18 # rasher: I didn't think the current default was "ugly" on the c200 (see gevaerts' opinion) ;) 00.14.30 # now that wasn't correct... 00.15.37 # nothing uses max_language_size.h in this commit ;-) 00.15.46 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007100814]") 00.15.51 # * gevaerts slightly boggles at the tought of "elegant" and "preprocessor" in the same sentence 00.16.09 # gevaerts: have you seen the menu code? 00.16.15 # haha 00.16.20 # I use the term "code" very loosely here 00.16.38 # rasher: not yet. 00.16.57 # gevaerts: save it for a day when you're already depressed 00.17.11 # ooh got the regex to split the file names right on the first try 00.17.22 # always scary when i do something right in perl on the first try 00.18.07 # Bagder: I see apps/language.h including max_language_size.h? 00.18.28 # yes but commented out... 00.18.41 # Brilliant 00.18.46 # since that too suffers from the same problem of used before create 00.18.49 # created 00.18.54 # fix pending 00.19.05 # maybe this has been suggested before - maybe this is not needed - but has any consideration been put into moving some of the FlySpray "chatter" to a dedicated forum section? Some of the tasks are quickly becoming cluttered with "support" discussion instead of working discussion. 00.19.19 # * pixelma is reminded that she still got a small cabbiev2 fix around here 00.19.23 # Bagder: broke all the bootloaders too 00.19.38 # pixelma: you and Nico_P are welcome to start commiting things 00.19.52 # argh 00.19.59 # if you see something wrong 00.20.02 # no need to tell me about it 00.20.12 # saratoga: I still need to make a clean background for my version ov cabbie 00.20.35 # saratoga: yeah, wanted to do that but somehow it slipped me mind and I was reminded now 00.20.42 # s/me/my 00.21.08 # Nico_P: didn't ApooMaha do that for you? 00.21.20 # rasher: I'll revert it for now, rework it and commit again tomorrow or something as I need to take off now 00.21.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443#comment21449 00.21.42 # Bagder: fair enough 00.21.52 # saratoga: I think he just uploaded what I did 00.22.23 # ah 00.22.26 # Whoa, a bootloader that's allowed to write.... 00.22.53 # I assume the gigabeast has some safeguard against bricking 00.23.20 # actually i think i remember someone bricking their gigabeat S 00.23.22 # amiconn: AFAIK it's unbrickable 00.23.33 # at least when using sendfirm 00.24.22 # amiconn: and it's just a temporary workaround 00.26.47 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it") 00.26.49 # amiconn: AFAIK it's unbrickable <-- That sound like challenge :) 00.26.55 # saratoga: just mentioning it here because you might (have) come across it because of inconsistent file naming: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.msg114534#msg114534 , or just so you know. First I wanted to "fix" the Mini WPS though... 00.28.59 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.29.56 # damn MTP database doesn't seem to keep the ID3 tags 00.30.06 # the DB tells me all tracks are untagged 00.31.31 # Brilliant system 00.34.09 Join Albright [0] (n=Albright@adsl-76-211-238-85.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 00.34.57 # Are the current iPod builds broken? Rockbox's file browser can't "see" any of my files, though it can see directories... 00.35.33 # That sounds more like a filebrowser settings issue than a broken build 00.35.43 # Albright: What is "Show files" set to? 00.35.54 # that almost sounds like you accidentally changed your file view settings to playlists, or so 00.36.04 # Hold on, I'll double check. 00.38.41 # Okay, the Settings menu is confusing me… Did that change recently? 00.39.21 # No, which part is confusing? 00.39.38 # Maybe I forgot what place I should be looking... 00.39.58 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.40.01 # * BigBambi further suggests the manual 00.40.12 # The choices are Sound Settings, One, , AIFF, Write .cfg file… Shouldn't there be settings for the display and stuff? 00.40.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.40.39 # In general settings 00.40.57 # Sounds like there's some sort of language problem.. Maybe you should try re-installing. Bagder's been messing with the language system 00.41.31 # I just re-installed today, about ten minutes ago... 00.41.38 # Albright: Ah, they were the options under settings? 00.41.52 # Albright: es, the latest commit was language related 00.41.57 # *Yes 00.42.05 # Yes, Selecting Settings from the main menu gives those choices. 00.42.23 # Sounds like the latest commit did cause some issues then :) 00.42.44 # =[ 00.43.56 # Is there a list of older builds on the site somewhere? 00.44.06 # Just update - the current build works 00.44.42 # Albright: Sounds like you caught the version in the ten minutes it wasn't working :) 00.44.56 # Well, okay, I'll try again… 00.47.15 # soap: I wouldn't mind a "Flyspray Support" section of the forum, with one thread per FS#, named after the FS# (and task name) and sorted numerically, explicitly for support questions, maybe? 00.48.16 # Do we have a newer RBUtil binary posted somewhere? The wiki still links to a relatively ancient one. 00.48.21 # Okay, the Settings menu now makes sense, but my files still aren't showing up. I'll check "Show files." 00.49.38 # Hooray, my files are back! 00.49.47 # rasher: one of the "bad versions" had problems loading the english.voice file (think there is none in my sim dir) - compiled a Mini sim... maybe that's another thing to keep an eye on 00.49.49 # Thanks, everyone. 00.50.32 # pixelma: yeah, I think the language system got a bit startled that some things changed and others did not 00.50.54 Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.50.59 # Restarting playback from playlists is still buggered, though… I'm going to whine about it, because that will surely fix the problem. 00.51.20 # rasher: alright 00.51.25 # *playback from bookmarks 00.53.20 # Well, shoot. So close and yet so far… Looks like this build doesn't play at all. The progress bar and timer just sit still, and no sound comes into my headphones. 00.53.21 Quit dreeft (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.53.32 Join dreeft [0] (n=dreeft@220.157.75.246) 00.53.37 # Guess I'll try reinstalling again later tonight. =] 00.54.11 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 00.55.03 # Slasheri: here? 00.55.38 Quit Albright () 00.56.06 Quit amiconn (" updating router...") 00.57.09 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.57.47 # anyone know where the save config file code is located? 00.57.56 # that will need to be updated too since I changed the build script 00.59.35 # or maybe not 00.59.59 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.05.16 # finally got it 01.05.22 # "filetype colours" needs to be "-" instead of "" 01.05.32 # otherwise everything but the progress bar will work 01.05.50 # * gevaerts can't find what's wrong with this SCSI code. Maybe it will work tomorrow. 01.06.08 # hmm... my sim is still spitting "buffering < SYS_TIMEOUT" endlessly even without playback... 01.06.44 # r 16341 now 01.07.26 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 01.08.48 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.49 # but it also plays the files. I select the song to play, it buffers and then goes on spitting those messages, never seen before 01.10.33 Quit gevaerts ("ZZzz..") 01.11.56 # pixelma: those messages aren't shown by default 01.12.00 Quit S (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.12.17 # ah... I know now 01.13.26 # what is it? 01.13.36 # * pixelma silly (has never used logf before) ;) 01.14.11 # it's from my logf build to trace the "skip" third song problem 01.15.49 # Nico_P: does it mean something, should I be worried about those messages? They don't sound very trustworthy... 01.17.00 # * amiconn thinks it's just informational. The buffering thread is bored... 01.17.45 # hmm removing the resolution from the file on device makes the WPSLIST a bit odd, since all the other entries list files by their final name 01.17.47 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 01.19.20 # Nico_P: read again and thought more about what "<" could mean and it makes more sense to me now. :) Maybe it's just a bit too late... 01.19.42 # hehe. yeah amiconn is right 01.20.08 # * Nico_P goes to bed 01.20.16 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.08 Join qwedsa [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 01.23.38 # saratoga: I'm not sure how the WPSLIST looks with your changes now, but I still think that some entries under cabbiev2 are unnecessary (like all the _different_ "selector type" entries, I thought one should do and the wpsbuild.pl would handle the inclusion for colour targets only and things like that) 01.24.08 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.24.58 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8bb040deba74669) 01.25.39 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.26.58 # pixelma: I'm pretty sure it will work right now with just 1 selector type entry 01.27.04 # i'll try it in a minute 01.30.00 # pixelma: just to be clear since I don't know how the WPS stuff works, is it ok to set the gradient bar for all targets? 01.31.20 # that's a config file setting and I wouldn't want that to appear in my M5 or Ondio cabbiev2.cfg file 01.32.18 # I meant it's a setting (not in the .wps file) 01.33.50 # pixelma: whats special about those targets? 01.34.14 # just that they're color? 01.34.18 # or not color 01.34.23 # not 01.34.49 # Llorean, that was exactly the format I was thinking of. Just like the old McDLT. Keep the dev side dev and the support side support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_N'_Tasty 01.35.15 # well how would you prefer it to work then? 01.35.15 # saratoga: e.g. I just compiled a Mini sim (greyscale) and the cabbiev2.cfg contains foreground/background colour, line selector 1st colour etc. settings which it doesn't need 01.36.22 # would allowing "selector type.colour:" be ok ? 01.37.11 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.33 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.33 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.37.45 # in my opinion those lines should only be present if the display supports them, Bagder told me that wpsbuild.pl should be able to do that (unfortunately I have no idea about perl) 01.37.56 # actually, its probably easiest to just make the build script never copy any of those settings to cfg files unless its a color targtet 01.38.20 # rather then give theme offers to the tools to do it for the parser 01.38.22 # yes, that's what I mean 01.38.52 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 01.39.06 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.25 Quit qwedsa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.57 # pixelma: is "selector type:" undefined on grayscale targets? 01.40.12 # or is it just that it can't be "gradient" selector? 01.41.19 # "pointer,bar (inverse),bar (color),bar (gradient)" sort of implies that bar(inverse) might be allowed on grayscale targets 01.41.49 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 01.43.47 # yes, pointer and selector type are even choices for mono targets, just not charcell, I guess 01.44.13 # s/selector/bar (inverse) 01.45.16 # in my opinon the build script probably should not have a list of which selector bars are available on each target 01.45.52 # since no one is going to update it the next time theres a new selector bar added 01.47.36 Join hi_cannon [0] (n=chatzill@ip24-255-87-235.br.br.cox.net) 01.47.37 # maybe the selector type thing probably wasn't a good example but I've only seen definitions with *x16 there 01.47.47 # yeah 01.48.08 # maybe *.Colour, *.grayscale, and *.charcell would be better? 01.49.09 # this whole stupid script should just be rewritten to regex each line against the resolution and color depth and then decide if it should be accepted or not based on that 01.49.12 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.21 # then theres no need to define 800 special cases 01.49.21 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.49.28 # not sure (and I can't think anymore at this time of day) 01.49.43 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 01.49.44 # I'll fix it another time then 01.49.51 # its not exactly pressing 01.49.56 # I thought it did just that 01.50.18 # but well... thanks for listening :) 01.50.32 # thanks for explaining to me what some of these options do 01.56.54 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 01.59.08 # saratoga: I will do the renaming tomorrow as mentioned in the above linked forums post, it'll mean changing some .wps files too. Just too late now... 02.00.02 # * pixelma wonders why that triggered a new build round 02.03.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 02.03.52 # pixelma: ok but can you apply my latest patch before you do that? 02.03.58 # so that we stay in sync 02.06.25 Join DaCapn_ [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 02.07.25 Join crashd__ [0] (i=foobar@lostnode.org) 02.07.25 Quit crashd_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.07.40 # saratoga: if you think it's important I could. Will your latest patch be in the flyspray entry then? 02.09.33 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.10.13 # yeah its already up 02.10.22 # though theres one trivial bug i'm probably still going to fix tonight 02.10.40 # shouldn't matter to you, just grab whatever one is newest 02.12.33 # oh unless you were going to commit to tomorrow 02.12.44 # yeah in that case might as well just ignore what i've been doing 02.13.56 # I'll have a look first tomorrow, but now sleep. Night 02.18.14 Part pixelma 02.18.33 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 02.29.49 Join Dino_ [0] (n=chatzill@c-69-139-209-49.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) 02.30.00 # ohai 02.30.06 # How's it going? 02.32.47 Quit BitTorment_ ("Do directly to guantanamo bay. Do not pass go. Do not collect your human rights.") 02.33.32 Join austriancoder_ [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 02.38.21 Part hi_cannon 02.40.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.48.42 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 02.49.49 Quit austriancoder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.57.55 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.58.00 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.07.23 Join Psykez666 [0] (n=Psykez66@pool-72-67-191-184.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.08.27 Quit Dino_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 03.09.16 # can anyone help me with something? 03.09.27 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 03.09.33 # i tried going to the forums but they dont work for me 03.12.46 Join Strife89 [0] (n=cc74f598@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bcf4a057c3a1271e) 03.13.03 # Psykez666, we can only help if you ask a question 03.13.27 # I am having trouble accessing the forums. 03.13.51 # By using the forum link, I get the following error message: 03.14.04 # Can't open file: 'smf_sessions.MYI'. (errno: 145) 03.14.26 # me too 03.14.39 # Server error? 03.15.07 # its an ipod/rockbox question... 03.15.17 # today i began using rockbox 03.15.48 # and it got all the songs i had previously in Itunes into the rockbox database 03.15.49 # karazykit: On my last session, I didn't use the logout link.... But then, I never do. :P 03.16.13 # but ive tried adding songs to the database and it wont do it 03.16.27 # wrong name. Meant to say @ coo_walking. 03.16.34 # cool_walking 03.16.38 # tried the auto update already 03.16.55 # Strife89: I never do either, but I _really_ doubt that's caused it. 03.16.59 # 666: How about "Update Now"? 03.17.12 # cool_walking: same here 03.17.39 # Just cleared cookies with no effect. 03.17.57 # Cool_walking: I always clear cookies on close (Firefox option) 03.17.58 # the forums is obviously a server issue. 03.18.20 # Psykez666, have you Initialized the database yet? 03.18.23 # Have you tried, krazykit? 03.18.32 # sorry im new to rockbox 03.18.41 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.18.44 # He probably has.... 03.18.46 # Strife89, earlier today, yes 03.18.58 # and it got all the songs i had previously in Itunes into the rockbox database 03.19.25 # yes...but i tried adding new songs 03.19.31 # krazykit: And you failed or succeded? 03.19.50 # i see them in the files folder but not in the database 03.19.53 # Strife89, the forums are currently down due to a server issue. 03.20.00 # Gotcha. 03.20.14 Quit ol_schoola (Client Quit) 03.20.31 # psykez666: Backup your database and Initialize Now. 03.20.37 Join xxhotman1 [0] (n=xx@adsl-153-173-182.mia.bellsouth.net) 03.20.43 # HI 03.20.47 # hi 03.20.52 # have a question? 03.20.57 # yes 03.21.01 # shoot 03.21.02 # how do i backup the database? 03.21.08 # just broke my S30 lcd screen lol 03.21.16 # Psykez666, copy the *.tcd files somewhere 03.21.16 # searching for parts 03.21.37 # xxhotman1, sorry, this is for rockbox-related discussion. maybe you'd have more luck at mygigabeat or anythingbutipod 03.21.47 # sry 03.21.51 # ya just posted 03.21.53 # There's a thing called Google, hotman.... 03.22.00 # really? 03.22.05 # never heard of it 03.22.09 # www.google.com 03.22.12 # wow 03.22.15 # lol 03.22.16 # please, this is an on-topic channel 03.22.16 # best search engine ever 03.22.25 # My apologies. 03.22.33 # ok, but will i have to initialize everytime i add music to it?:( 03.22.34 # Just trying to help..... 03.22.49 # Psyke: hopefully not.... 03.23.07 # i figured you guys have experience with the parts of the unit though 03.23.08 # This is just to see if it fixes the problem 03.23.53 # but thanks and sry for interruption of rockbox 03.23.58 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 03.24.23 Quit xxhotman1 (Client Quit) 03.24.28 # ok hold on its an 80gig ipod so it might take a while :P 03.24.58 # Psyke: You mean it's FULL with music? 03.25.07 # yes 03.25.16 # among other things 03.25.28 # psyke: You know you can make a database_ignore file.... 03.25.31 # Right? 03.25.43 # what do you mean 03.26.03 # im not trying to make it ignore files im trying to add to the database :( 03.26.20 # You can make a file that tells Rockbox not to scan a directory for music for the database, speeding things up. 03.26.42 # Strife89, it doesn't really speed things up when it's a massive music directory. 03.26.52 # :( 03.26.55 # Every little bit helps. 03.27.28 # so im guessing it has been scanning in the background for the music its just taking a bit because its so big 03.27.46 # yep; watch the disk icon 03.28.47 # so basically all i have to do is make it ignore the big music file :) 03.28.54 # and hopefully that helps 03.28.55 # ???? 03.29.23 # forget the ignore thing for right now. 03.29.32 # ok? 03.29.41 # let's focus on the problem at hand 03.29.52 # alright 03.30.04 # Disk icon still there? 03.30.36 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.31.56 # its supposed to be at the upper right hand corner, right? 03.32.51 # Yep 03.32.56 Join austriancoder__ [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 03.33.26 # no its not there 03.33.55 # Probably done, then 03.34.00 # Reboot 03.34.49 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.34.51 # When it starts up, you should see "Commit Database" (unless it's too fast) 03.35.17 # BRB 03.35.28 # i have and each time i do it says committing database 03.35.52 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.53 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.03 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.03 # but it still doesnt add the songs into the database :( 03.36.13 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 03.40.38 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.40.57 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.41.30 # im getting a message that says "no codec for -filename-" 03.42.08 # back 03.42.14 # I'm back 03.42.29 # alright 03.42.36 # "no codec".... Check your codecs folder... 03.42.46 # Or your file type 03.43.05 # .mp3 file type 03.43.12 # its weird 03.44.19 Join webguest13 [0] (n=7ca8bf53@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2ca821cd1d243ddc) 03.44.47 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 03.45.48 Quit DaCapn_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.47.00 Join JonThacker [0] (n=4caa9355@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b99a194acc5255b) 03.47.01 # this thing is starting to depress me 03.47.07 # hmmmm.... 03.47.22 # im getting all these weird things 03.47.32 # How long have you been using Rockbox? 03.47.33 # like two of the same song 03.47.40 # just today 03.47.40 Quit austriancoder_ (Connection timed out) 03.47.48 # Hi. My name is Jon. I would like Twiki write permission. 03.48.25 # Then create an account.... It's not that hard. 03.48.56 # what does Initializing the database do... 03.49.09 # does it delete all the songs inside the ipod 03.49.14 # It builds the database from scratch. 03.49.26 # It does nothing to your song files. 03.49.39 # Except look at them. 03.49.43 # so its like scanning 03.49.48 # Yes. 03.49.53 # so im going to try doing that 03.51.18 # I created an account. The instructions say I must ask for Wiki write permission on the IRC channel. 03.51.52 # Oh. 03.52.30 Part Zarggg 03.52.34 # As in: "Oh, didn't know you had to do that". 03.53.01 # hehe 03.53.46 # Strife89, next time, before a snarky answer, check your facts ;-) 03.53.53 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.54.05 # JonThacker, i'll add you :) 03.54.52 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9og.cable.mindspring.com) 03.55.08 # psyke666, how's it coming? 03.55.31 # still in progress 03.55.42 # i have like 13000 mp3s on this thing 03.55.43 Join cypherpig [0] (n=haiguyz@CPE001c10201fb2-CM00122544860c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.56.00 # WHAT UP MA NIGGAS AND TV ADDICTS 03.56.12 # Thanks krazykit 03.56.19 # scorche, scorche|sh, can you take care of this? 03.56.20 # fuck tv it sucks :) 03.56.25 # JonThacker, you have write permissions now 03.57.00 # i'm installing fedora 9 03.57.16 # cypherpig, this is an on-topic channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere 03.58.04 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.58.04 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.58.27 # your chatter sucks 03.58.30 # it sucks balls 03.58.34 # Is anyone involved with the design of the RockboxPlaver prototype here? 03.58.59 # * Davide-NYC I love the ignore switch 03.59.17 # Thanks 03.59.22 Quit cypherpig () 03.59.28 # i put initialize now and it says updating in background 03.59.29 # Sorry to be off topic, but: Ignore switch? 03.59.54 # if you type /ignore 04.00.05 # psyke666: it should. Just keep an eye on the disk icon. 04.00.14 # followed by the nick of the bothersome individual... well you can guess what happens. 04.00.25 # how can their is no disk icon 04.00.31 # thats whats weird 04.00.36 # Is /unignore a command? 04.00.42 # no clue 04.00.45 # :-) 04.00.52 # i can feel the ipod ticking though 04.01.14 # psykez666: then leave it alone until you don't 04.01.37 # is their a way to check the progress? 04.01.43 # Better yet, put it to you ear so you can HEAR when it stops. 04.01.59 # No way I know of. 04.02.17 # Wait..... 04.03.19 # From the main menu, go to System/ Debug (Keep Out!)/ View Database Info 04.03.48 # Tell me EXACTLY (as in word for word) what it says there. 04.03.59 # progress 1% hehe 04.04.12 # Negative or positive? 04.04.20 # Urghh, forums are down. 04.04.47 Quit JonThacker ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.04.47 # Davide: Yeah, we noticed. Stick around. 04.05.03 # negative :( 04.05.31 # psyke666: That means it's not doing anything; it should be done. 04.05.39 # Give me ALL the info. 04.05.54 # ok here it is 04.06.06 # Initialized:Yes 04.06.13 # good 04.06.17 # keep going 04.06.19 # DB Ready: Yes 04.06.27 # good.... 04.06.29 # RAM Cache: No 04.06.36 # same here.... 04.06.37 # RAM: 0/0B 04.06.45 # yep..... 04.07.11 # keep going.... 04.07.17 # Progress:-1% [3043 entries "and it keeps going up"} 04.07.35 # Curfile:- many 04.07.45 # difference there; mine say "0 entries" 04.07.52 # commit step: O 04.07.54 # curfile: ----- 04.08.04 # commit step good.. 04.08.07 # it changes real fast 04.08.14 # in curfile 04.08.32 # hmmm.... 04.08.40 # and its in the music file 04.08.45 # Commit delayed: says what? 04.09.07 # like "Ipod_control/Music/f1" 04.09.21 # then "Ipod_control/Music/f2" 04.09.24 # might be the file it's checking on 04.09.31 # but just brief flashes 04.09.33 # file or folder 04.09.42 # (not a question) 04.10.09 # folder 04.10.31 # you have an ipod right 04.10.34 # Not sure about the progress percentage being like it is, but it sounds like it's still going. 04.11.03 # Nope, I have a Sansa c250 (flash based, not hard drive based like your iPod) 04.11.11 # oh 04.11.32 # damn i think it might have messed up my ipod :( 04.11.50 # it* 04.12.07 # Do you need my Hotmail? (I need to go to bed; we can continue tomorrow) 04.12.17 # alright 04.12.26 # what time is it over there? 04.12.41 # michael-carr [at] hotmail [dot] com 04.12.48 # 10:13 PM 04.13.08 # replace [at] and [dot] with appropriate symbols 04.13.18 # spam protection 04.13.23 # ;-) 04.13.27 # alright 04.13.55 # logging on BRIEFLY to check 04.14.35 # logged on; added me yet? 04.14.48 # no 04.14.51 # ill do it later 04.15.05 # make sure you remember 04.15.21 # I'll check in tomorrow; hopefully we can fix this. 04.15.31 # Good night. :-) 04.15.33 # alright 04.15.38 # good night 04.15.44 Quit Strife89 ("CGI:IRC") 04.19.02 Join BigMac [0] (n=Me@c-67-189-253-195.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 04.23.48 Quit csc` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.26.21 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 04.29.46 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.30.45 Join Navigator_ [0] (n=chatzill@ip70-173-152-241.lv.lv.cox.net) 04.30.59 Quit Navigator_ (Client Quit) 04.40.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.42.09 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 04.42.20 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 04.43.10 Quit Psykez666 () 04.44.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.44.03 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.44.12 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4203.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.45.23 Quit BlackChaos ("Leaving") 05.07.24 Join webguest88 [0] (n=4caa9355@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-48aa1367c5bd3a62) 05.09.55 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.12.52 Quit webguest88 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.14.31 Quit csc` (Connection timed out) 05.25.53 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.7-dev") 05.26.04 Quit BHSPitMonkey_ ("Ex-Chat") 05.26.32 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@129.120.244.114) 05.32.32 # I was wondering, is it possible to have two rockbox builds installed? 05.33.49 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.34.10 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 05.35.18 # I assume Loader2 from IPL (for ipods) is required to do that 05.36.39 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 05.37.08 # Actually, custom compiled builds that look for information in a folder other than .rockbox are required. 05.37.12 Quit dreeft ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 05.37.12 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.37.41 # I use the rockbox bootloader and just rename .rockbox to .rockbox-2, and .rockbox-someotherversion to .rockbox, then reboot. 05.37.50 # Other than that, you can actually load a different build of Rockbox by clicking on it's binary (.ipod file) in the file browser, assuming that's working right now. 05.38.13 Join cramertheasian [0] (n=4452b77b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e7033478160ccb97) 05.38.19 # Yo? 05.38.35 # Anypeople on here? 05.38.49 # well, then I could simply create an entry on Loader2 that would load rockboxnew.ipod, Llorean, no? 05.39.15 # given, that I'd only copy over the binary compiled from source 05.39.45 # But you need the whole .rockbox directory. 05.39.59 # Plugins at least, and possibly codecs, break between versions. 05.40.02 # I have one allready 05.40.28 # Oh cool, um alright, I'm trying to put this on my 1st Gen iPod Nano, and it gives me this message: "Rockbox boot loader Version: 2.0 IPOD version: 0x000C0005 SST55LD019K-45-C-MWE No partition found Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode". What do I do? 05.40.36 # You can't use a new rockbox.ipod with an old .rockbox directory - all the plugins will be broken 05.40.46 # Horscht: Yes, but then your plugins, codecs, and other files would be for the old rockbox.ipod, not the rockboxnew.ipod, which depending on the patches applied, might cause problems. 05.40.53 # Horscht: Why exactly do you need two different builds? 05.41.23 # cool_walking_: That's not a given. If they're compiled from the same SVN revision, and the patches don't touch the plugin API, it should be fine. 05.41.31 # have one "recent" build for bugs etc. and have an old-ish (15979) for performance 05.41.58 # Can I have an answer please? 05.42.00 # cause starting fron 16105, builds for Ipod Video 64MB are hardly usable 05.42.33 # cramertheasian, do you have a Mac Ipod? 05.42.37 # Yeah 05.42.58 # rockbox wont work on macpods, you have to convert it to fat32 first 05.43.10 # How do I do that? 05.43.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 05.43.32 # I will go offline now. laters 05.43.37 # Horscht: What's the most recent build you've tried? 05.43.50 # 3 or 4 days ago, Llorean 05.43.50 # Horscht: There was a recent fix that should reduce a lot of disk thrashing, I think. 05.44.11 # Do i have to reinstall the Rockbox stuff? 05.44.25 # that's why i was asking, I would like to try it out, without having to worry i will be without music the next 4 hours 05.44.31 # cramertheasian: Yes. The procedure will completely wipe your iPod. 05.44.35 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.44.54 # cramertheasian: So back up all your music. 05.44.58 # Oh, another question, if I use the Rockbox installer, do I have to use the Bootloader installer? 05.45.14 # Horscht: You realize you can try it out, then copy your old build back, you don't need to do anything complicated... 05.45.52 # well, not when i am on the train, Llorean ;) 05.46.18 # anyways, cool_walking_ gave me a good idea, simply naming the old directory .rockbox-2 or something 05.47.03 # If I use the Rockbox installer, do I have to use the Bootlaoder installer too 05.47.04 # ? 05.47.05 # Horscht: Rockbox has a copy and paste function. rename the old build to .rockbox-backup, install the new build. If it doesn't work, delete .rockbox, and before rebooting, rename .rockbox-backup 05.47.18 # cramertheasian: read the manual 05.47.26 # yes, that's what i'll do. anyways, I am off laters 05.47.33 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 05.55.19 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-136-52-178.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 05.55.19 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.56.04 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.59.47 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-136-52-178.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 06.08.23 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.26.01 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 06.26.31 # Hrmm...that's odd 06.26.59 # Every time I turn on my player, I get this high pitch noise for half a second and then resumes playing 06.34.41 # * J3TC- tries to figure out next morning. 06.34.44 # Need sleep :[ 06.40.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.48.07 Join awesomo [0] (n=4452b77b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f706975a97bae024) 06.48.30 # Hey, how come when I changed the theme on my iPod, it turned all white? 06.49.59 # Hello? 06.51.04 Join misticjeff [0] (n=44e081cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-548e1c199fb8d692) 06.51.34 # How come when I changed the theme on my iPod, it turned all white? 06.51.49 # awesomo: You don't need to repeat the question, especially after only waiting 3 minutes. 06.51.51 # Is the theme all white?? 06.52.01 # No 06.52.08 # But I guess something is wrong with the theme 06.52.18 # *Llorean - no idea why the forums are down.... 06.52.20 # So it's a completely white screen? 06.52.24 # Yeah 06.52.38 # But it still functions 06.52.46 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 06.52.46 # misticjeff: :( Unfortunate. 06.52.54 # it's not the server 06.53.00 # awesomo: Does your old font have white text? 06.53.04 # servers been up and fine all day 06.53.05 # Because when I select certain things it has like "Scanning disk" 06.53.10 Join austriancoder_ [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 06.53.15 # "And some of the screen saver thingies work" 06.53.15 # misticjeff: Well, that error suggests the database is damaged and needs repaired. Not sure how to go about it though 06.53.39 # i'll have my guy dig into it as soon as possible 06.54.07 # Thanks. 06.54.34 # I tried reinstalling the Firmware and deleting and reinstalling some themes, but it doesn't do anything 06.54.58 # Possibly it set your background and foreground colours to white. Try rebooting with default settings (flick "hold" straight after the backlight comes on, when booting). 06.55.27 # *flick "hold" on 06.55.48 # Oh thanks, that did it 06.56.43 # You'll have to save those settings, or next time you reboot without doing the "hold" trick, your white screen will be back. 06.57.17 # How do I do that? 06.57.28 # Somewhere in the menu... 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I was wondering if there was fix for this. 08.29.47 # Ive googled and searched everywhere to no avail 08.29.53 # Anybody have any ideas? 08.31.00 # cdiddy: does the video playback okay on your PC ? 08.32.22 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 08.32.26 # yes. perfect. Ive tried various encoders as well. It seems to be the e200. It played before ... when I first installed last september just fine, but now no luck 08.32.35 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 08.32.51 # GodEater: im stumped 08.33.13 # how large is the video 08.33.14 # ? 08.34.05 # GodEater: ive tried files as small as 3 megs all the way up to 100 megs 08.34.41 # Ive used ffmpeg, memencoder and on the windows side super, and winff which are, I think, the linux equivs. all seem to do the same thing 08.34.54 # can you send me a sample 3 meg one so I can check it myself ? 08.35.05 # i.e. upload it somewhere :) 08.35.15 # Certainly, give me a moment 08.36.22 Part toffe82 08.36.24 # brb 08.40.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.40.55 # looks like the Creative Zen port is finally off the ground 08.41.47 # GodEater: The new one? 08.41.57 # GodEater: im uploading to my web server right now 08.43.47 # cdiddy: it's the Vision:M 08.43.55 # and let me know the url when you're done 08.44.18 # I wish mcuelenaere would post a picture of it booting... 08.51.27 # almost done 08.57.38 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0DB33.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.57.58 Join austriancoder__ [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 08.59.55 Quit cool_walking_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 09.02.39 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.05.18 # GodEater: Just sent you the urls 09.07.15 # GodEater: I'm excited about the Vision M. I think that brings us up to 5 on-the-verge targets, doesn't it? 09.07.28 # MROBEs 100 and 500, Vision: M, Gigabeast, and Cowon D2? 09.07.41 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 09.07.55 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.09.07 # Llorean: plus iAudio M3. Although nothing is committed, this should be an easy port 09.10.17 # amiconn: don't forget the Logix DAB thing ;) 09.10.31 # assuming linuxstb doesn't forget it that is 09.12.28 # amiconn: well, I'm just going with "things I've seen people working on recently, and seem to have a straight shot from "here" to "usable" without too many obvious surprises along the way" 09.13.03 Quit austriancoder_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.21 # cdiddy: well - it plays back fine here 09.15.29 # although I'm not using a sansa, I'm using a gigabeat 09.15.48 # so unless someone's broken the lcd driver in the sansa recently 09.15.54 # it should be playing back fine on your device too 09.16.09 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.17.00 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-131-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.18.09 # GodEater: it playsback fine, but the color isnt there at all. Its all blueish and yellowish and inverted. The audio comes through just fine, but its the color. If you have used photoshop, it reminds me when a photo is inverted 09.18.11 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 09.18.35 # cdiddy: when I say it playsback fine here, I mean I don't see those symptoms at all 09.18.37 # it looks fine 09.19.05 # maybe if llorean is feeling generous he could check the same vid on his e200 for you 09.19.11 # hmmm .... Im stumped ... i updated the build as well today and that didnt seem to work 09.19.13 # sounds like an lcd driver issue, or a glitch in mpegplayer 09.19.27 # GodEater: Can't right now. e200 is packed 09.19.31 # ah ok 09.19.37 # Otherwise I happily would 09.19.45 # I only have access to a Gigabeat F, and Gigabeat S at the moment 09.19.46 # LinusN: if it were a glitch in mpegplayer surely I'd see it on my target too ? 09.19.52 # And no means of compiling. 09.19.57 # GodEater: yes 09.20.11 # then I don't think it's that 09.20.37 # so I think lcd driver is most likely the problem 09.20.44 # or the hardware may have developed a fault ? 09.21.10 # do we still lower the voltage to the lcd as a battery saving measure? 09.21.35 # * GodEater looks carefully blank 09.22.02 # Llorean: so apparently the gigabeat now plays nicely with all it's plugins ? 09.22.49 # * GodEater is attempting Nico's tar trick 09.23.34 # cdiddy: can you try the daily build from feb 9? 09.24.49 # LinusN: yes. I will do that now 09.25.41 # LinusN: Did you see the debug menu discussion in the logs? 09.25.49 # GodEater: I haven't actually installed anything on my Gigabeat yet 09.25.57 # amiconn: no, will have a look 09.26.09 # Llorean: too busy huh ? :) 09.29.14 # Been a somewhat busy, yeah. 09.29.26 # Also, don't I need access to a linux environment? I guess I could burn a liveCD. 09.29.27 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.30.36 # LinusN: no luck with that build 09.30.54 # cdiddy: ok, that was still useful information 09.31.07 Join BigBambi [0] (n=86ceaf37@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 09.31.10 # hello all 09.31.19 # next thing to try is to play a clip encoded by someone else 09.32.06 # amiconn: i have read it now 09.32.28 # * GodEater aplauds Nico_P's work 09.32.30 # LinusN: isnt there a file on the wiki to download? 09.32.48 # cdiddy: maybe, i'm not sure if there is one suitable for the e200 though 09.32.58 # GodEater: Good init :) 09.33.04 # ill look 09.33.14 # I was overjoyed the first time I saw Rockbox boot on my S 09.33.35 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.33.45 # LinusN: The H300 one ought to be. 09.33.46 # * BigBambi assumes that is what you were talking about (tar and that, although I haven't actually tried that bit yet) 09.33.48 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.35.40 # BigBambi: does the off switch work ? 09.36.02 # ah - you've not tried the full rockbox environment yet ? 09.36.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.36.40 # GodEater: No, I last tried it a few days ago 09.36.42 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 09.36.58 # And the off switch didn't work then from what I remember 09.37.27 # Incidently, when I left the house this morning my E260 had been playing for over 15hrs straight - I'll do on OF tonight tomorrow to compare :) 09.39.49 # well the tar code works perfectly 09.39.55 # you get a complete .rockbox directory 09.41.32 # So tar .rockbox, transfer it and the bootloader automatically untars? 09.43.08 # not quite 09.43.13 # "make tar" after make 09.43.26 # that takes care of what needs to be added to the file 09.43.31 # h yes, I forgot about that 09.43.33 # then mtp-sendfile it 09.43.45 # make sure you're running the 00000004 bootloader 09.43.48 # and away you go 09.44.13 # Cool, I'll try this evening. I have neither linux, a dev environment, or my gigabeast at work :) 09.44.21 # shame :) 09.44.36 # yup :) 09.46.39 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.55.27 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 09.56.06 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 10.00.02 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.08.53 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 10.11.12 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.12.27 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.14.50 # Thanks for the help guys; Im going to take this problem on another night 10.15.19 Quit cdiddy ("[BX] Hrm... I wonder if I paid this month's electr...EOF From client") 10.18.25 Quit BigBambi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.22.07 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.147.6) 10.35.52 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 10.40.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.44.31 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 10.48.28 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 10.50.22 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.52.45 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 10.53.01 # two notes about rockbox on H340 ... 10.53.20 # 1 - If you disable fade during stop and pause, then enable the setting 10.53.31 # which simulates the iPod behaviour when pressing keys, the player 10.53.50 # will do two glitches when restarting the audio, instead of doing one when you pause and anoher when you unpause. 10.56.55 # mrkiko, you talking about a delay? 10.58.11 Join agm3nt [0] (n=opera@bartek.tu.kielce.pl) 10.58.44 Part agm3nt 11.01.02 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 11.07.45 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy15.netz.sbs.de) 11.10.11 # advcomp2019: ... in what sense? 11.12.19 # mrkiko, so i do not need to type it all out.. here is some else with the same issue as me from the log: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080216#03:39:18 11.17.25 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 11.31.46 Join Intol [0] (n=d4a58c52@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53d1483eb47a1086) 11.35.58 Quit Intol (Client Quit) 11.41.06 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 12.02.52 Join BigMac [0] (n=Me@c-67-189-253-195.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 12.03.56 Quit homielowe ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 12.04.24 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 12.09.33 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.09.58 # Nico_P: I had a chance to try out the tar file implementation you did - nice work! 12.10.37 # Could someone with an ipod do a USB test for me ? 12.10.53 # * GodEater volunteers 12.11.59 # GodEater: thanks :) 12.12.32 # GodEater: in usb_drv_init() in usb-drv-pp502x.c there's a line that forces the device to full speed (REG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED). Could you try removing that and see what happens ? On sansa it makes the partition table read fail, but I'm not sure if this is a general PP problem or just sansa 12.13.06 # gevaerts: give me a few mins to apply the patch in the first place, and I'll get right on it 12.13.25 # GodEater: plain svn should be fine. Just use -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB 12.13.34 # ah ok 12.13.46 # just add that to CFLAGS ? 12.14.04 # I usually add it to the EXTRA_DEFINES in the makefile 12.14.41 # ok - I'll do that instead 12.15.13 Join mrkiko_ [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 12.15.24 # It's just that as far as I know the high-speed problem has only ever been seen on sansa, most probably because nobody ever tried it on ipod. 12.17.38 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-072-002-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.18.58 # building now 12.20.46 # On a vaguely related note, have the guys tried to get the USB code even in a vaguely usable state on gigabeast, even if it's slow, for easier testing? 12.21.02 # Nico_P: do you know if the Power button is just disabled? Or do we not know how to power down the S yet ? 12.21.21 # Llorean: no-one with the right level of clue has tried yet 12.21.27 # GodEater: I don't know, but I guess the latter 12.21.50 # good to know it's not just me then 12.21.51 # :) 12.23.09 # Llorean: as far as I know it's basically a matter to find the correct device enable and/or device reset bits. 12.23.51 # Llorean: once that's done the driver _should_ support the gigabeat S, since we're actually using the iMX31 documentation to write it 12.24.05 # hmm 12.24.08 # not good news 12.24.22 # gevaerts: the iPod just hung when I put the cable in 12.24.55 # hmm 12.25.02 # it unhung when I removed it though ;) 12.25.03 # gevaerts: That's what got me thinking about it. And USB support on the S would I think make life a good deal better for the people working on it, since right now they must us MTP to copy things over. 12.25.09 # GodEater: any dmesg output ? 12.26.32 # right - on reinserting the cable I got the usual usb plug on the device screen 12.26.39 # so it appears to be seeing the connection properly 12.28.48 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.28.59 # http://pastebin.ca/908367 <-- dmesg output :( 12.29.33 # brb 12.30.02 # That's exactly the same as on a sansa, so it does appear to be a general portalplayer issue. Thanks for confirming that 12.31.47 # * gevaerts hopes that the gigabeat S people find their usb enable bit soon. That will confirm if it's a portalplayer issue or just a wrong reading of the controller spec somewhere 12.33.56 # I think this hardware people are designing to run rockbox should be portalplayer based. That might help us getting data sheets 12.35.16 # hahaha 12.35.18 # some hope! 12.35.58 # * gevaerts can't help dreaming 12.38.04 Join agm3nt [0] (n=opera@bartek.tu.kielce.pl) 12.38.55 # * gevaerts goes to several chip manufacturers and says "Hi! I'm designing a new DAP. I think I might sell ten or twenty of them. Can you provide full documentation for your chips to help me decide which one I should use ?" 12.39.28 # * GodEater expects nVidia won't even be polite enough to respond with a "no", and will just ignore gevaerts' email 12.39.58 # * gevaerts the finds himself sitting on the sidewalk wondering why they threw him out so forcefully 12.40.03 # *then 12.40.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.41.44 Join Intol [0] (n=d4a58c52@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-08f9b8c7f350775a) 12.46.28 Quit Intol (Client Quit) 12.47.50 # * Llorean wonders when the forums got fixed 12.51.20 Quit mrkiko_ ("leaving") 12.51.39 # * GodEater wonders when they were broken 12.51.48 # * Bagder sings a song 12.52.16 # They were broken for hours today 12.52.22 # I didn't notice 12.52.24 # Jeff even came by to let us know he didn't know what was causing it. 12.52.25 # :) 12.52.30 # that was nice of him 12.52.32 # * gevaerts suggests to make an analysis of post dates, which might point to gaps 12.52.51 # Considering there were only about 7 posts or so i hadn't read, it must've come back up quite recently 12.53.42 # * pixelma guessed that LinusN fixed them in the morning 12.53.51 # Hmm, post time suggests they were fixed 4-ish hours ago. 12.53.59 # I swear I checked within the last 4 hours though 12.54.24 # They were down at least 7 hours according to the gap. 12.54.51 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 12.55.31 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 12.58.07 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 12.58.13 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.00.57 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.01.05 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 13.03.14 # well I will be damned... It is snowing here! That's the first time doing it inside the city. :D 13.03.33 # ah sorry for the off-topic 13.03.39 # hah, and we have +6C ;-) 13.04.12 Quit austriancoder__ (Remote closed the connection) 13.04.55 # we have about that too +-1C. Pitty that it only falls, it doesn't get to stack up in the roads :( 13.05.17 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet14.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.07.55 Join webguest12 [0] (n=3e60ea11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-21819884c21e7288) 13.08.25 Quit webguest12 (Client Quit) 13.09.27 # * Bagder scratches head 13.09.52 # the .lng files get a different size with the Fs#8482 build 13.10.21 # i fixed the forums this morning 13.10.38 # it is always the same thing: corrupted database tables 13.11.12 # speaking of bad stuff, I finally found one case of bad svn use on the build server yday 13.11.22 # nice 13.11.34 # which could be the reason it sometimes didn't notice commits and sometimes went locked 13.14.30 Join thgz [0] (n=thgz@dsl-lprgw5-fe5fdc00-169.dhcp.inet.fi) 13.16.34 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3C7A.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.17.55 # * Bagder makes another commit attempt 13.18.03 # its just when they climb mountains 13.18.10 # they make "attempts" for the top 13.19.54 # * petur figures Jeff is nice because he's waiting for a fix for the CF issue :) 13.20.24 # right, once he's gotten that he'll shut the forums down! 13.20.35 # heh 13.20.51 # Bagder: speaking of which, I wondered why the .wps commit this night triggered a new build round 13.21.15 # if($path !~ /^(rbutil|manual)/) { 13.21.27 # I guess wps should be added there 13.21.49 # well, i don't think so 13.21.54 # unless we want to offer new zips of course 13.22.01 # since the wps'es are part of the zip 13.22.28 # yeah, and it's better to do one build too many than too few, imho 13.23.08 # absolutely 13.23.24 Part thgz 13.23.29 # * Bagder now hopes for some bonus green delta points 13.24.27 # if things go right, the language warnings will now turn up as yellows 13.24.35 # they did... 13.26.05 # hmm, but I'm almost certain that commits to the wps dir once were excluded, at least in cvs times... 13.26.22 # -5922 on the player is kind of cool... 13.26.42 # -5200 on the ondio sp 13.26.47 # LinusN: Any opinion on the debug_menu thing? 13.27.23 # and actually, thats -10400 ram usage 13.27.25 # amiconn: i saw little discussion about the debug menu and much discussion about the target tree and target specific apps/ code 13.27.41 # yes 13.28.14 # amiconn: you mean doing the actual hardware stuff in the target tree and just use the debug menu as a front end? 13.28.18 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.28.40 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 13.28.46 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.29.14 # My opinion is that it would be best to put the target specific parts of the debug menu into separate files under apps/debug/ 13.29.33 # sounds fair enough 13.29.59 # No other apps code should contain significant amounts of target specific code that would warrant an apps/target/ sub-tree 13.30.26 # And the .lds files should be moved into the target tree, including plugin.lds 13.36.01 # the entire files? 13.36.09 # or just the defines the .lds files use? 13.36.13 # is the debug menu really that much of a problem today? 13.37.13 # it is a bit of an #ifdef hell of course 13.37.37 # but I wouldn't care for a debug menu 13.38.08 # * petur wants to nag amiconn about CF again 13.39.07 # petur: my point exactly, it's only a debug menu 13.40.16 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 13.41.22 # LinusN: The debug menu is an ifdef hell, and quite long. Splitting it would make it easier to find stuff 13.41.42 # Bagder: seems lang/Makefile is missing from FILES, also nice ram save! :) 13.43.02 # thanks, added that now 13.43.34 # austriancoder reverted his split-off for PP, but pointed out that some debug menu parts for s3c2440 and m:robe 500 already are in target tree (where they don't belong imo) 13.44.27 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.44.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 13.44.59 # i agree about keeping the debug stuff in the apps tree 13.45.05 # deed 13.45.16 # +in 13.45.55 # and if someone feels that it is important to split the file info many, go ahead 13.46.30 # it's not on the top of my prio list, but someone else might have a shorter list than i do 13.46.53 # or an unsorted one... 13.47.16 # LIFO 13.47.29 # i've got a binary tree :/ 13.53.43 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549658CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.55.16 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 14.05.21 Part LinusN 14.08.54 Quit thegeek_ ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 14.12.15 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 14.13.37 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 14.18.14 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 14.18.34 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 14.19.18 # GodEater: The power button on the Gigabeast isn't a button in the sense that the others are - it's just tied to an interrupt on the power management chip (which we don't have the datasheet for) 14.20.00 # aliask: ah ok 14.24.38 # * preglow sees he has indeliberately given the gigabeat a nickname... 14.25.07 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 14.30.45 # jhMikeS: Around? 14.32.09 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.32.37 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 14.33.17 # preglow: And a damn fine one at that 14.33.40 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.34.43 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 14.37.57 Join quickquestion [0] (n=867c7551@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6b2a6d3a4924dbb) 14.38.25 # hi, does anybody know where I would be able to obtain an older build, say, from oct. 2007? Does not seem to be on the main site 14.38.39 # you would have to build one yourself, quickquestion. 14.38.55 # Is there a specific reason you're looking for such an old build? 14.39.49 # soap: I just installed a new build and the bookmark control is changed and it doesn't seem to work correctly; it freezes my mp3 player when i try to reload them. It seems to me that the developers are working on it, but no solution as of yet 14.39.56 # Would you know anything? 14.40.19 # The one from october worked just fine 14.40.24 # Llorean: remarkably catchy for a typo, isn't it :) 14.40.28 # What device are you using quickquestion? 14.40.50 # e200 non r v.1 14.40.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.42.36 # I am no expert on bookmarks, you might want to wait for someone better than I to speak on the current status of that subject. 14.44.51 # from what I've found on the forums, it seems to be a problem that others are having since jan 19. problem is the builds on main page only go as far back as that date. Not critical, but audibook peeps freak out 14.46.06 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 14.46.11 Quit Frazz (Client Quit) 14.47.42 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.48.48 Quit J3TC- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.49.13 Quit daurnimator (Connection timed out) 14.54.30 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.57.39 # * aliask can't figure out how to make the SPI driver interrupt based. 14.57.41 Quit quickquestion ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.58.41 # How can I deliver the received bytes back to the calling function? 14.59.29 Quit XavierGr () 14.59.40 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.05.40 # aliask: store in a buffer and send a message to the calling function? 15.06.10 # Send a message" 15.06.23 # s/"/?/ 15.07.22 # never done it for Rockbox but there is either a message queue or you could use a variable to poll on 15.10.12 # If I was polling a variable then I may as well not make it interrupt based - the SPI interface has a status register which the current method polls which I assume would be equivalent to polling some variable that is set by an interrupt. 15.10.27 # true 15.10.46 # aliask: what is the SPI? 15.11.42 # Serial interface, it's used to communicate to the power management chip. I wrote a driver for it but jhMikeS disabled it because it apparently hung sometimes. 15.11.53 # ok 15.12.23 # There are a few things I know how to do with the PMU, like turn off the power and turn the backlight on and off. 15.12.32 # * gevaerts just found out why this his latest SCSI work didn't behave properly 15.12.38 # aliask: you could check other drivers to find one that uses IRQ, the ones I know of don't 15.12.55 # aliask: when polling, inc a timeout variable 15.12.58 # * aliask wishes the mc13783 datasheet was available 15.13.38 # aliask: nice. so how would shutdown work? 15.13.40 # petur: I have a timeout in the existing code 15.13.53 # then how can it hang? 15.13.58 # the off button fires an interrupt, and you get the result of tat interrupt throught the SPI? 15.14.10 Join yohann [0] (n=c1317c6b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d63b9b68b79147f9) 15.14.26 # Nico_P: I don't know if it's the "cleanest" way but you can tell the PMU to stop providing power to the ARM 15.14.28 # There are several interrupt based drivers, e.g. the wheel driver for 1st/2nd/3rd gen and mini 1st gen ipods 15.14.55 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.15.10 # Nico_P: I'm not entirely sure how the interrupts work through the PMU 15.15.27 # amiconn: Thanks, I'll take a look. 15.15.33 Quit yohann (Client Quit) 15.16.06 # aliask: what about the suspend, like the OF does? 15.16.29 # Nico_P: I think that's done in the ARM core (but I'm not sure) 15.16.50 # ok 15.17.05 # Turning the power off at the PMU works nicely I think, because the power button actually turns it back on 15.18.20 # (and there should be very little power drain while it's in the "off" state) 15.19.42 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.246.244) 15.19.53 # btw, do you know what causes undefined instruction errors in the codecs (at least MP3)? 15.23.31 # Possibly a linking error? Is there a codec.lds (or equivalent)? 15.24.16 Join peppo [0] (n=slumpmas@c-4671e155.41-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 15.24.17 # codecs use plugin.lds 15.24.35 # anyone know where one can find an 80GB iPod Video 5.5G in sweden? 15.25.46 # I noticed that jhMikeS disabled the IRAM in app.lds, perhaps it doesn't work? 15.26.02 # or should I hold out with my mobile phone and wait and see if "Classic" is supported? 15.26.26 # peppo: blocket? 15.26.51 # peppo: I wouldn't hold your breath on the classic being supported 15.26.53 # Zagor, probably? :( all places I found new are actually Classics 15.27.48 # no 80gbs on blocket :/ 15.27.49 # bleh 15.28.03 # what other large capacity units are supported by RB? 15.28.18 Join cart66 [0] (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 15.28.56 # which is better on rockbox mpeg1 or 2? 15.29.49 # for an ipod... 15.30.22 # I should perhaps just get an iaudio x5 again 15.30.27 # but they're only 30gb :/ sigh 15.30.42 # there are 60 gb x5's 15.31.23 # too bad I can't find any to buy then :( 15.32.14 # what's the visual difference btwn 5g and 5.5g? 15.32.36 # Zagor: don't think there is one... 15.32.48 # oh yes i'm also having a problem with the audio cuting out before the video is done, although the sink is right. 15.33.19 # hm. seems there's no viable mp3-ogg-flac-lastfm enabled players that are 60GB+ out there? 15.34.14 # gigabeat? iriver with hdd upgrade? 15.35.57 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982136a8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eb7ef6579b7322a1) 15.36.25 # didn't know of these brands, well, not gigabeat at least 15.37.13 # peppo: see the list on rockbox.org. Support for the S model is underway 15.37.25 # gigabeat aren't sold in sweden :/ 15.37.32 # peppo: I spot three used 80gb on blocket. what am I missing? 15.37.41 # Zagor, my poor search skills 15.38.44 # http://www.blocket.se/li?ca=11_s&th=1&q=ipod+video+80gb&c=0&w=3&aws=&awe= 15.39.10 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955D30A.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.39.47 Join MethoS_mobile [0] (n=clemens@pD955B9E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.40.03 # thanks Zagor! 15.40.03 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 15.41.05 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955FFBC.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.41.55 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.43.41 Join BigMac [0] (n=Me@c-67-189-253-195.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 15.44.51 Quit conando () 15.44.57 # rockbox mpeg doesnt play the whole file, stops at the last 1minute to go. is it supposed to do that? 15.46.03 # cart66: what is "rockbox mpeg"? 15.46.19 # do you mean mpegplayer? 15.46.29 # yes thankyou 15.46.41 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.46.46 # regardless, it is naturally not supposed to stop playing with 1 minute left 15.47.37 # does it happen with all files or only one? 15.47.48 # its only 25megs, 320x240 on an ipod video 15.48.05 # yes i've encoded the file maydiffrent ways 15.48.44 # both flask and vlc mpeg files 15.49.00 # does it also happen with the elephants dream file from rockbox.org? 15.49.26 # downing it right now very slowly 15.50.48 Quit BitTorment (Remote closed the connection) 15.50.52 Part peppo ("part") 15.53.03 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 15.54.36 # i can get 15 fps/at 288x192 or 11fps 320x480 orginal res 720x480 from my disc for some reson. then the audio cuts out for a bit and it stops playing before it finishes 15.55.19 # is this a buffer under run with my ipod, how low should i set my bit rates? 15.55.31 # Zagor: did you look at the current ums patches recently ? UMS handling is now non-blocking, and there is no long-running stuff left in interrupt context 15.56.07 # excellent! 15.56.20 # Zagor: if I count right we need only a few more SCSI commands to to be fully compliant, so that shouldn't take too long. 15.56.42 # cart66: that is possible. we are having disk performance issues in the rockbox code at the moment 15.58.03 # cart66: it still sounds odd that it stops playing 15.58.38 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.58.49 # gevaerts: but we still need to find out how to use high speed... 15.59.16 # i have bigger res files music videos like 340x288 or something that play till the end but he sink is off horably. oh well, i was just wondering what i was doing wrong 16.00.29 # mpegplayer is not very fast om the ipod video ... 16.00.33 # the audio is ahead of the video by 20 seconds 16.00.58 # ya i wish it was...dang apple. 16.01.07 # wow, then you are doing something wrong 16.01.38 # cart66: Did you perhaps disable 'skip frames' and/or 'limit fps'? 16.01.43 # how low should my bit rates be? 16.01.46 # you should have skip frames enabled, and keep the bit rate fairly low 16.01.59 # They are enabled by default, and should always be enabled except for performance tests 16.02.22 # well then the frame ra drops to 5 or so, im sure its the skipframes tats messing things up 16.02.53 # my ipod is a icrap. 16.03.28 # cart66: then you have encoded it with a far too high bitrate 16.03.55 # On ipod video, full screen video will always skip frames, and must do so to keep sync 16.04.12 # right how low should my kbps be for the vid and audio, its about 192 for the audio and 600 for the video. 16.04.43 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 16.04.46 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.05.19 # humm. i wish i could adjust flask's bitrate. i'll just use vlc. how high is high thats what i need to know? 16.05.36 # i think you should experiment 16.05.46 # oh 97% elphants dream almost downed 16.05.59 # find a bitrate that gives decent quality for you 16.07.01 # lol i suppose so. 16.07.12 # ok loading elphant. 16.10.28 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 16.10.36 # LinusN: yes. Unfortunately I still have no clue on that one 16.11.11 # i guess we have to disassembler the OF some more... 16.11.26 # something i don't particularly enjoy 16.11.55 Quit cart66 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.07 Join cart66 [0] (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 16.14.10 # after loading rockbox when ever i try to do anyting excetp copy a file to my ipod, ie cut paste delete it freezes my computer. 16.14.11 # LinusN: wrt "disk problems" are we likely to revert jhMikes spinlock stuff at all - I just went back to a build using it and had forgoten how horrible it was... 16.14.53 # GodEater: i don't think we will 16.15.01 # back to my issue. yes elefants dream, the sync is off something awful. w/o limt and skip frame 16.15.21 # and the video frose. 16.15.24 # z 16.15.24 # cart66: you *need* skip frames and limit fps 16.15.38 # LinusN: another way might be to use the jtag port to see how the OF sets various registers, if someone has the equipment for that. Unfortunately then the question is 'which registers ?' 16.16.12 # exactly 16.16.17 # LinusN: does that imly someone has an idea of how to fix it ? 16.16.20 # *imply 16.16.33 # i got the clamed 14fps though, ok skip and limt on 16.16.38 # has anyone ever connected a jtag debugger to a portalplayer target? 16.16.56 # * GodEater doesn't know of anyone who owns a jtag debugger 16.17.07 # frozen ipod 16.17.33 # * amiconn still did not observe any spinlock related problem 16.17.54 # amiconn still has rather meagre usage of the features which cause it 16.18.55 # it's entirely unusable with the config I normally use 16.19.36 Part LinusN 16.20.36 # rebooted twice. playing, frame skips alot 16.21.37 # sync is good i guess. yup the video froze. 16.22.12 # are ipod video suppose to suck this bad? 16.22.29 # [16:03:55] On ipod video, full screen video will always skip frames, and must do so to keep sync 16.22.39 # It's also mentioned on the mpegplayer wiki page 16.23.23 # well its plan frozen. i guess im crap out of luck for videos. 16.23.23 # Bagder: nice line of green 16.23.53 # i swear ipods are the plauge. 16.23.56 Quit cart66 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 16.26.23 # very nice green 16.26.27 # I hadn't even noticed ;) 16.30.58 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.34.27 Join cart66 [0] (n=chatzill@75-162-89-222.slkc.qwest.net) 16.35.14 # i used the vlc.bat off of rockbox.org my video is upside down. 16.35.51 # cart66: turn your player around 16.35.57 # :\ 16.36.15 # lol im gunna have to. iam so sick of troubles. 16.36.20 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.36.24 # * GodEater thinks we should perhaps disable mpegplayer for the ipod video since it performs so badly. 16.36.47 # no i'll live itunes sucks much wirse 16.37.03 # its ok 16.37.45 Join scorche|w [0] (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.39.17 # uhf ipod fliped it around. ':) 16.40.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.41.59 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 16.44.34 # ok for others that ask 300kbps vid 160kbps audio runs at 20.4fps w/o limt or skip frames. sync off by 2minute good but finishes ok. 16.45.48 # someone go optimize the mpeg decoder if it sucks so bad, then :> 16.46.36 # Hmmm. I just noticed that although my Sansa c250 says "v2" on the case, the firmware version is 01.01.05. 16.47.08 # I thought that the v2 models had firmware version 03.xx.xx. 16.48.32 Join B4gder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 16.48.44 # shrug 16.48.46 # Febs: they do 16.48.52 # Febs: there have been a few sheep in wolf's clothing 16.49.01 # but we've seen "v2" labelled ones being v1 before 16.49.05 # much better now. again same vid, but with skip and limt on sync and finishes perfectly. 17fps. 16.49.22 # perfect thanyou so much 16.49.28 # So this might be a v1 after all? That would make my day, because the OF really sucks. 16.49.30 # B4gder: did you catch whatever the error was with the build last night? Seems the language files were broken as well 16.49.34 # Febs: yup 16.49.41 Quit cart66 ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 16.49.50 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.49.58 # rasher: yes, was an error in the apps/langs/Makefile 16.49.59 # I found it and fixed it 16.50.54 # Febs: yes, it is a v1 no doubt 16.51.09 # Woo hoo! 16.52.07 # so they're selling units that are supposed to handle audible, but doesn't? 16.52.58 # well, I'm not sure these are claimed to do audible on the package? 16.52.58 # preglow: they are just putting new backplates on some refurb units 16.53.06 # preglow: They're selling whatever they can put together 16.53.49 # Mine claimed audible support 16.54.13 # oh, then they do ;-) 16.58.04 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 16.58.27 Join Strife89 [0] (n=cc74f598@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8bd52c6ea2f21cbe) 17.04.10 # Would anyone with a playback clue would be interested in doing FS#6083 properly? The patch probably doesn't apply anymore, but the idea is awfully simple 17.05.08 # I'm sure it'd work fine on the gigabeast though 17.06.37 # shit, that's kinda nasty 17.06.43 # Imho it should be made synchronous (i.e. announcement_1 -> track_1 -> announcement_2 -> track_2 etc) 17.07.01 # That would even be possible on hwcodec 17.07.14 # amiconn: yeah, I have that in a comment. It's better for many reasons 17.07.38 # 1) The processor has time to decode the clip 2) It isn't drowned out by the music 17.08.06 # I just don't know how to control playback in that way, so... 17.08.27 # Well, the clip would "simply" need to be schedules as a track 17.08.32 # *scheduled 17.08.44 # Of course without influencing track count, playlist position etc 17.08.49 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 17.09.25 # Yeah, it should just be "silently" (without telling any other parts of Rockbox about it) on each new track 17.10.32 # * amiconn would like that feature. It'd allow studying a new album whithout looking at the display 17.13.16 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.16.36 # Febs: the only thing is that in the c200's OF version 1.01.05 they removed the MSC mode Setting but I've heard it's no problem if you are on linux since linux doesn't know about MTP 17.16.40 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@adsl-ull-18-228.42-151.net24.it) 17.16.58 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.17.23 # pixelma, not without libmtp installed anyway 17.17.37 # I thought you had to downgrade the firmware to get the MSC mode back again ? 17.18.00 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 17.18.08 Quit nicktastique (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.18.12 Join nicktastiq [0] (n=nick@c-71-206-238-75.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 17.18.18 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.18.36 Nick nicktastiq is now known as nicktastique (n=nick@c-71-206-238-75.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 17.18.53 # * n1s facepalms 17.19.05 # * Horscht facepalms n1s 17.19.08 # GodEater: no, you don't have to they didn't remove the mode, just the setting 17.19.14 # ah I see 17.19.16 # sneaky 17.19.21 # * Nico_P still doesn't know what "facepalm" means 17.19.31 # hit your face with the palm of your hand 17.19.45 # it's the act of slapping ones face with your palm 17.19.56 # aaah! :) 17.19.59 # normally done when you realise you've just done something stupid... 17.20.01 # looking for a user whose username ends with "666" 17.20.12 # or can't believe that someone else has done similar 17.20.15 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@dhcp74-119.njit.edu) 17.20.31 # Does the name ring bells? 17.20.34 # and there's also a button, hold switch + whatever combo to get it into MSC mode manually (just like the dozens of other modes...) 17.20.45 # ^ GodEater :) 17.20.47 # * Nico_P could've done that when he found out that rockbox's mkdir failed when the path ended with a slash 17.21.02 # yes, that would have been such an occasion, Nico_P 17.21.05 # pixelma: yes, I had that issue, but was able to downgrade the firmware, and I now have Rockbox running on my c250. 17.21.10 # pixelma: I gathered that was for me ;) 17.21.47 # Horscht: it's a bug I should fix 17.21.47 # all nice then... :) 17.21.58 # * Nico_P takes off 17.23.00 # Nico_P, what is a bug? 17.23.17 # the trailing slash thing in mkdir 17.23.21 # not being able to call mkdir with a path with a trailing '/' 17.23.27 # ah, i thought you had already 17.23.38 # at least that's what i thought I had gathered yesterday 17.23.40 # no. I assumed it wasn't a bug and fixed my code 17.24.03 # GodEater: mkdir thinks you're trying to create a dir with an empty name 17.24.06 # so it fails 17.24.25 # that's pretty stupid of it :) 17.24.32 # that held me up quite a long time on the tar thing 17.24.35 # isn't fixing a bug the most desireable result when fixing ones code? 17.24.37 # I bet 17.24.54 # Horscht: yes, but you can only do that once you realise it's a bug 17.24.59 Quit Strife89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.25.01 # Hi. Just wondering...is there a reason why the `clean' target (from the makefile generated by choosing Sansa e200/Normal) removes directories like `apps'. It makes it impossible to `make clean' and then `make' <-- apps is from SVN. 17.25.16 # that shows how much knowledge I have of coding 17.25.36 # ctaylorr: "make clean" followed by "make" works fine for me 17.25.37 # ctaylorr: You are *not* supposed to build in the svn root. Make a build directory 17.25.48 # amiconn: Ah. Thanks. 17.25.54 # ah, amiconn is more perceptive... 17.26.08 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.18 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.38 Quit MethoS_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.43 # eh? that was weird. I see someone said something after GodEater and before me, but I neither see a timestamp, nor a nick 17.27.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.27.27 # ah, highlighting the text helps 17.27.28 # Horscht: That was me. 17.28.02 # Horscht: That I know of, I have nothing special in my nick. 17.28.33 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.226.153) 17.28.34 # yeah, must have been my irc client acting up 17.30.38 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.31.08 # GodEater: Hmm...I remember building from SVN a long time ago. At some point did configure create the build directory and generate the Makefile there? Would be great to avoid confusion. Granted, good work on the Makefiles, though. 17.31.31 # ctaylorr: not that I ever recall no 17.31.40 # I've always had to create a build directory 17.31.50 # GodEater: k 17.32.08 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 17.32.15 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DF63.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.32.40 # ctaylorr: That wouldn't be as simple as it sounds, as one may want several build dirs for several targets, sims, voices ... 17.32.47 # * amiconn has a few dozen build dirs 17.33.23 # amiconn: I'd suggest rigging the Makefile to not work out of the root, but it's refreshing to see working Makefiles. Hmm...guess education is key. 17.33.52 # Iirc the Makefiles is supposed to do that, or at least was 17.34.16 # erm, I mean configure 17.35.14 # Would be cool to have it just create a unique build directory. If build exists, make a new one and throw the generated makefile in. 17.37.44 # I think configure complains if you try to run it from the tools directory 17.37.51 # I've never tried it from the svn root though 17.38.24 # yes, it doesn't complain if you run it there 17.41.08 # GodEater: An extra check for tools/configure (on top of a test for configure) should do the trick. 17.44.26 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 17.45.37 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 17.54.11 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 17.56.08 Join nuppy [0] (n=clemens@pD955C048.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.56.57 Quit soap (Client Quit) 17.59.54 Quit tedrock (Client Quit) 18.02.56 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 18.03.21 Quit gevaerts ("going home") 18.05.27 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.06.40 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 18.07.28 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 18.11.28 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.11.50 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say moo") 18.13.09 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.13.54 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.14.28 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 18.16.18 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 18.19.17 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 18.21.51 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 18.22.18 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.22.46 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-000e51c1ed8153d8) 18.23.19 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e176229038.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.23.50 Join ROOL_JOKE [0] (n=ROOL_JOK@221.130.185.234) 18.24.06 Part ROOL_JOKE 18.24.08 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 18.24.35 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 18.29.48 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 18.30.14 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.30.48 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 18.32.24 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 18.32.50 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.36.51 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DF63.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.37.17 # Does anyone here know anything about the cpu cache on pp502x ? 18.37.38 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.37.48 Part lymeca ("Vanity is not sustainable.") 18.39.25 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 18.39.34 # I've been thinking about the usb high-speed issue, and I think the symptoms might be compatible with a caching issue : on write we have a problem every 32 bytes, and on read we have a problem after 95 bytes + a bad crc, so that might be 96 bytes. Since the cache is 32-byte aligned I think there might be a connection. 18.40.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.41.52 Quit nicktastic (Nick collision from services.) 18.42.04 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 18.46.34 # jhMikeS knows a fair deal 18.47.00 # and wouldn't hesitate to say he's the one with the greatest amount of knowledge in the area 18.48.28 # Thanks. I guess he'll answer when he's around 18.49.25 # just ask him and see if he is around :) 18.51.57 # jhMikeS: are you around ? Can you look at what I said a few minutes ago and comment ? 18.52.04 # * gevaerts waits... 18.52.52 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.53.17 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cb49deefa40278fd) 18.55.44 # This is interesing. I can't reproduce the 32-byte repeating corruption on write any more. 18.57.25 # gevaerts: have you seen http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/memory_controller.txt 18.59.42 # low_light: I've seen it, but it was a while ago. It says a cacheline is 16bytes, which somewhat ruins my theory... 19.00.54 # 32 is a multiple of 16 :p 19.02.06 # Yes, but it still doesn't match as nicely. 19.04.08 # * gevaerts can't reproduce the 32-byte repeating corruption on write any more, and starts some stress testing to make sure 19.04.20 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.05.19 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD3464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.06.13 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@183-014-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.06.41 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.144.119) 19.07.24 # bertrik: did you read my comment about SCSI versions from last night on flyspray ? 19.07.49 # yes, I think I was wrong mentioning the RBC specs 19.07.51 # good morning ladies and gentleman. Quick question... what does "int lcd_getstringsize(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h);" actually return? Is it the same value as *w? 19.09.07 # bertrik: probably. Anyway I'm pretty close to implementing all mandatory SBC-1 and SPC-2 commands now. 19.10.54 # DerPapst: yes 19.11.18 # betrik: SBC-2 has this intriguing thing about a VPD page that tells the host to limit transfers to whatever the device says. With some luck OSes actually implement that, and I guess being able to regain 64 or 96 kb of RAM offsets the added code easily 19.11.21 # gevaerts: cool. 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If one single common OS doesn't, I think we should stay with SBC-1 and SPC-2. We don't actually need the extra commands that the newer specs allow (READ10/WRITE10 allow for 2^32 blocks, which is 2TB with 512-byte blocks). 19.34.53 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.35.15 Quit dan_a ("Konversation terminated!") 19.38.04 # Nico_P: Great stuff on the untaring :) 19.38.28 # * gevaerts doesn't understand this. Why isn't this write corruption there any more ? 19.38.51 # gevaerts: you remembered to sacrifice a chicken to the gods of usb this time ? 19.39.01 # Perhaps because your new code does something right that was wrong before? 19.39.02 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-200-153.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.39.08 # i thought we switched to llamas 19.39.26 # scorche|w: we certainly have enough of them to sacrifice ;) 19.40.04 # amiconn: most probably, but I can't think what. 19.40.04 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.40.56 # Perhaps now even highspeed will work... 19.40.59 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.42.19 # I tried that earlier today, but I might have done something wrong then. I'll try again after my md5sum is done 19.43.06 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-edf4037726aa5e0e) 19.43.31 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.43.39 # * gevaerts dislikes the OF enough to actually use the slow rockbox usb to check the flash content 19.44.59 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.45.29 # I'll check out the latest patch and run it against USBCV 19.45.38 # (I'm still a bit too scared to run all MSC tests) 19.45.50 # sorry, is unifont the only font that has cyrillic characters? 19.46.41 # bertrik: I think the MSC tests will always be dangerous. I'm considering a mode that only exposes the sd card for those tests 19.46.58 Part Buschel_ 19.47.05 # gevaerts: Btw, as you seem to know this msc stuff rather well: How similar is mass storage via USB and mass storage via firewire? 19.47.09 # No errors in 750MB using 64 byte packets 19.47.14 # nplus: no, see here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=UnicodeFonts 19.47.51 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.47.55 # ok, thanks 19.49.22 Quit GodEater_ ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.") 19.50.02 # amiconn: both use SCSI, so they should be able to share a lot of code. 19.50.08 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C6FB05.access.telenet.be) 19.52.12 # The 64-byte packet version writes at 572 kB/s and reads at 759 kB/s. That's at least 50% better than with 16 byte packets. 19.52.12 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.52.34 # gevaerts: still no corruption? 19.52.53 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.53.26 # preglow: I copied 750MB of files to it, unmounted, remounted, and checked md5sums on both sides. Those match, and fsck.vfat finds no errors. 19.53.28 # gevaerts: that's pretty good for a full-speed connection 19.53.52 # * amiconn agrees 19.53.55 # bertrik: I'm happy with it. Now just this high-speed... 19.54.13 # isn't there a magic high-speed toggle bit somewhere? 19.54.15 # Although I've seen full-speed ums getting close to 1MB/s 19.54.25 # (just kidding) 19.54.25 # * preglow smiles at the prospect of high-speed alone 19.55.27 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan@217.23.173.156) 19.55.31 # über-speed 19.55.52 # bertrik: there is a magic full-speed toggle bit. The code uses it to prevent the hardware from using high-speed. Not what you were looking for, but... 19.55.59 # gevaerts: Does you code use double buffering? 19.56.59 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.03 # amiconn: no. It's fully sequential. A transfer comes in, we write it to disk/flash, we ack the transfer, and we wait for the next one. 19.57.55 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.58.53 # amiconn: transfers are up to 128kb though, so there shouldn't be too much turnaround time issues. 19.59.18 # No, but you can't receive while writing 19.59.53 # maybe the USB controller already does some buffering 19.59.58 # I would think that since the usb controller does dma, we could write in the background 20.00.00 # doubt it 20.00.23 # amiconn: we could, but at a complexity and RAM cost. 20.00.30 # Not sure whether we could shadow reading though. That would require reading ahead 20.00.32 # lets get the driver working first :) 20.00.47 # * gevaerts thinks preglow may have a point there 20.01.49 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.03.01 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.04.56 Join Frazz [0] (n=Fraser@thelawsons.plus.com) 20.06.02 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.06.29 # BigBambi: thanks :) 20.06.43 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.06.44 # I've just been enjoying playing bubbles on it 20.08.06 # the LCD driver seems to have a few problems... some bitmaps aren't displayed 20.08.18 # Didn't notice that 20.08.25 # * BigBambi plays some more 20.08.30 # the icons are the main example 20.09.10 # It is a shame the battery switch is so fiddly (and doesn't feel like it'll last too long with all this playing) 20.09.38 # Still no high-speed 20.09.43 # Nico_P: Ah yeah, I see what you mean 20.09.49 # I didn't notice at first 20.10.36 # Heh, I like the 35791365 hours 54 minutes battery life - that is an improvement over the OF :P 20.12.19 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-76-105-254-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 20.12.28 Quit weezerle ("...und tschüss!") 20.12.37 # * amiconn wonders how much work it would be to write some charset auot-check code that checks all .lang (or .lng) files against the player charset 20.12.50 # *auto-check 20.13.14 # would be a very, very small amount of code if the lang files were xml :) 20.13.17 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-072-002-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.13.32 # low_light, Febs: a thread in the forums made me notice a weird thing in the contrast settings on the c200 - the list goes from 0 to 255 but it looks like it actually only goes from 0 to 127 and starting a "second round" at 128... 20.13.41 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.13.50 # amiconn: it would be nice if rockbox could detect if the current font could display the lang and switch if it couldn't 20.14.16 # low_light: gevaerts confirmed this for his c200 too, so I wondered what's up there, any idea? 20.15.42 # Wow, the USB enumeration test passed :P 20.16.04 # bertrik: that is somewhat surprising. 150 enumerations... 20.16.22 # config.h changes is hard on the ccache I guess... 20.16.57 # gevaerts: I was seeing some VID/PID entries of 0000:0000 being created in the registry in earlier versions, so that looks like enumeration problems 20.17.48 # I'll check how it works out now 20.17.53 # bertrik: that's possible. 20.21.39 # which file implements the "view current playlist" option (hold REC while in "Now Playing")? 20.22.30 # playlist_viewer.c 20.22.35 # * gevaerts thought of a way to make high speed work : implement the VPD transfer-size limitation, use 64-byte blocks, limit transfers to one block each. It would probably be slower than full-speed, and might cause problems with FATs and partition tables, but it should work 20.23.34 Join FrankOtto [0] (n=frank@p5B071AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.23.43 Nick FrankOtto is now known as magmaniac (n=frank@p5B071AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.24.34 Quit ol_schoola () 20.25.04 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.25.04 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.26.05 # hmm, no VID:PID 0:0 entries but it still takes about 40 seconds before the drive appears on windows xp 20.26.08 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.26.34 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.26.58 # * amiconn thinks that's quite normal for a full speed device 20.27.13 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.28.00 # I don't think that's normal 20.28.18 # * amiconn does a test 20.28.47 # * Horscht doesn't think he has a full speed device 20.28.58 # Okay, 16 seconds for my archos player 20.29.08 # bertrik: Can you try disabling the ehci driver in the device manager, and try with the OF ? 20.29.16 # (which isn't even standard ums but needs a custom driver) 20.29.17 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.29.43 # gevaerts: ok, i'll try 20.30.17 Nick magmaniac is now known as magmaniac_ (n=frank@p5B071AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.30.42 Nick magmaniac_ is now known as magmaniac (n=frank@p5B071AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.31.04 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.33.03 # Anyone familiar with the bug that caused the iPod to burst into squealing electronic static-type noise? 20.33.31 Join timl [0] (n=timl@212-182-160-229.ip.telfort.nl) 20.34.01 Join magmaniac_ [0] (n=frank@p5B071AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.34.07 Quit magmaniac ("Leaving") 20.34.23 # you mean disk thrashing? 20.35.01 Nick magmaniac_ is now known as magmaniac (n=frank@p5B071AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.35.01 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.35.35 # * petur thinks people changing nicks is very confusing 20.36.27 Quit jgarvey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.37 Join NanoNate [0] (n=d02d7ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8d3eac49f356c8dd) 20.36.48 # hi 20.36.59 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 20.37.00 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.37.10 # Horscht: Not sure, care to explain what that is? 20.37.33 # petur: you can treat them as newbies for a while, pretending you don't know them 20.37.48 Nick amiconn is now known as confusor (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.37.56 Nick confusor is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD4362.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.37.59 # I have a quick question, I know the 2nd gen ipod nano still is unflashable, but I was just wondering why? It has been that way for about a year now... Is there extra security measures built into it? 20.38.00 # petur: sorry, I was in the process of registering the nick. 20.38.01 # gevaerts: I was looking at magmaniac... 20.38.18 # * magmaniac was formerly known as FrankOtto 20.38.34 Nick gevaerts is now known as FrankOtto (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 20.38.46 Nick petur is now known as gevaerts (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.38.52 # Does anyone know why no flashing attempt can be made? 20.38.54 # NanoNate: 1) All new hardware with no docs 2) supposedly encrypted firmware 3) noone working on it 20.38.54 # rofl 20.39.00 # * bertrik kicks gevaerts 20.39.04 Nick gevaerts is now known as petur (n=petur@d54C6FB05.access.telenet.be) 20.39.06 Nick FrankOtto is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 20.39.11 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 20.39.16 # NanoNate: nobody has done much work on that target 20.39.19 Quit Frazz ("Leaving") 20.39.20 # * magmaniac won't change nicks again 20.39.23 # oh 20.39.27 # bummer 20.39.30 # NanoNate: but the encryption seems to be the major problem to crack 20.39.34 # * gevaerts doesn't know who he is right now 20.40.14 # Is there any beta form of rockbox I could try for it though 20.40.15 # * magmaniac thinks gevaerts is himself right now 20.40.27 # * gevaerts is relieved 20.40.32 # magmaniac: I think I got around the freezing: it has to do with IDE power. adding a short sleep after powering on seems to solve things 20.40.34 # Has there been anywork on it at all 20.40.45 # petur: splendid! 20.40.46 # * amiconn hmpfs 20.40.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.40.59 # NanoNate: no custom code has/can run on it, no 20.41.00 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.41.13 # NanoNate: this is your chance to show off 20.41.20 # lol 20.41.21 # magmaniac: I'm now doing a test with original IDE timings and will revert stuff 20.41.56 # * magmaniac can't do tests today because his battery benchmark will run for some more time 20.43.06 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.43.49 # magmaniac: you said the led goes on when IDE is powered down. Could it be the led is burning due to some leak current from some signal pin that keeps power? If so, it could well be that this is drawing too much current from a pin that isn't designed for it (damage risk) 20.43.59 # petur: Hmm. There already is a short sleep after powering on in svn 20.44.07 # where? 20.44.08 # How long a sleep did you add? 20.44.13 # sleep(1) 20.44.48 # amiconn: it also worked ok when I added the sleep after powerdown (was a bug of me and I was surprised that it worked) 20.44.51 # In ata_power_on(), right after ide_power_enable() 20.45.17 # hmmm right 20.45.19 # HZ/50, i.e. twice as long as your extra one 20.45.38 # needs more investigation :/ 20.46.26 # mounting a 1.7 GB volume on a full-speed USB connection took 5 seconds 20.46.37 # petur: do you mean it's drawing this current even when the LED is off (so that the current now goes somewhere else)? 20.46.50 # no 20.47.18 # I mean when the led goes on when IDE power goes off, it is drawing current from some place it shouldn't 20.47.39 # petur: in my current test the LED stays off because I skip the call to ide_power_enable(false) 20.47.57 Quit weezerle ("...und tschüss!") 20.47.58 # What you say may be right, I don't know how I would find out though. 20.48.18 # which led was it? 20.48.45 # The disk access LED of the iriver, the adapter LED stays off anyway. (except for real disk access) 20.49.20 # Bah, forgot to ask LinusN about this led... 20.49.23 # * n1s plays with GPIO pins on the beast and manages to get the lcd to go all white and what seems like powering off the hd (at least it hangs when trying to brows :)) 20.49.41 # e 20.50.15 Quit NanoNate ("CGI:IRC") 20.50.22 # yay... still no freezing with svn ide timings :) 20.50.24 # I'm testing the ums_v16 patch and getting some random stuff displayed in usbview in the interface 0 description. http://jakorasia.info/rockusb for screens 20.50.24 # amiconn: thanks again for your GPIO advice, I did play a bit with this, but nothing had an effect on this LED. I know think that the LED is not wired at all, so we can't control it. 20.51.16 # s/know/now/ 20.51.24 # the text after the class: 08(stor) seems to randomly change and sometimes the whole description is missing 20.52.33 # gevaerts: disabling ehci does not seem to make a lot of difference 20.52.45 Join markus [0] (n=markus@217-162-226-15.dclient.hispeed.ch) 20.52.58 Nick markus is now known as remotechief_311 (n=markus@217-162-226-15.dclient.hispeed.ch) 20.53.11 Quit bertrik ("bye") 20.53.39 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@183-014-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 20.54.05 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-14-51-6.area3.spcsdns.net) 20.55.09 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 20.56.36 Quit bertrik (Client Quit) 20.58.05 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 20.58.06 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.58.15 # bertrik: I just tried on a winXP machine here. rockbox: 50s first time, 30s second time. OF, 15..20s first time, 10s second time (all times +- 5s) 20.58.37 # bertrik: OF was with ehci disabled 20.59.00 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.59.38 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=3dd50610@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7ce5405634e5c643) 21.00.26 # A lot of translations are missing from the zips!! 21.00.39 # oh noes! 21.00.43 # read the commit logs! 21.01.53 # grrrr 21.02.06 Join gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@dry68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 21.02.08 # ah right, it does the SOURCES stuff wrong 21.02.12 # for langs 21.02.33 # * gevaerts uploaded the 64-byte using patch, so other people can play with it 21.02.59 Join weezerle [0] (n=weezerle@dslb-088-072-002-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.02.59 # "a lot" then being 6 languages 21.03.10 # Bagder: did I reverse the logic or something? 21.03.22 # no, but that's where the config.h error comes in 21.03.29 # Ah, fun 21.03.33 # something is wrong at that point so it doesn't include that header 21.03.45 # which means the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is always undefined 21.04.54 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.04.55 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.05.03 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.07.52 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.53 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.08.02 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.08.08 Quit toffe82 (Remote closed the connection) 21.08.43 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 21.08.49 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.09.43 # * magmaniac kicks himself for not doing a battery benchmark with FLAC, which would've drained the battery quicker than MP3 21.11.22 # eh? 21.11.23 Join roxfan [0] (n=dunno@73.210-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 21.11.39 Nick freenod__ is now known as kslater (n=kslater@24.svnf1.xdsl.nauticom.net) 21.11.43 # don't they go along for about as long? 21.12.01 # it probably wouldn't especially if your device does not have a hard disk 21.12.30 # preglow: FLAC has much higher bitrate, so more disk access is necessary, which would drain the battery faster 21.12.42 # flac also uses way less cpu than mp3 21.12.52 # I was just thinking the same thing 21.13.04 # so in the end it might be about equal 21.13.08 # anyway, it'll probably get you less, yes 21.13.14 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@e180247061.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.13.14 # hmm... is it possible to replace the .rockbox directory on ipod using the new ums driver or would the files be locked somehow? maybe it would be safer to use the apple disk mode, but i'm going to try it anyway 21.13.16 # mp3 is pretty optimized these days, i remember 21.13.51 # magmaniac: forget what I said.. more freezing... probably does need some IDE timing tweak :/ 21.14.06 Join jdsalinger [0] (n=pow@124.104.191.108) 21.14.18 # petur: sorry to hear :( 21.14.22 # amiconn: got your IDE timing calculations near you? 21.14.44 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.14.59 # does t1 match PRE, and t4 or t6Z match POST? 21.16.10 # also, identify[67] says the minimum pio cycle time = 78ns, so WAIT is probably wrong? 21.16.58 # 0x78 == 120 21.17.13 # eh? 21.17.22 # bertrik: Most of these fails seem to have the same cause : we apparently don't support going back and forth between configured and addressed too well. I'll look at it during lunchtime tomorrow, with a tracer near me. 21.17.32 # ah right 21.17.46 # * petur slaps forehead 21.17.54 # But I don't have my old calculations anymore 21.18.34 # that would mean WAIT = 8 for 124MHz 21.18.36 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 21.19.00 Quit agm3nt () 21.19.56 Quit roxfan2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.20.08 # our speeds are 11, 45 and 124 MHz, right? 21.20.19 # The timigs are named the same in both diagrams (ata specs and mcf5249 manual) 21.21.10 # Table 13-7 tells you how the timing is related to the registers 21.24.45 Join _BigMac [0] (n=Me@c-67-189-253-195.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 21.24.47 # live swapping to ums_17 patched version seemed to work. I had to reset the device though, it did not want to start up normally. usbview still shows the messed up interface 0 class string 21.27.00 # cg: did you have to reset it before or after using usb (I'm guessing after) ? 21.28.08 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.28.20 # i replaced the .rockbox directory with the new ums mode, shut down rockbox normally. i tried to start it by pressing menu but nothing happened, so i did reset 21.29.42 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.30.09 # cg: I don't see any obvious string problem here. What exactly does it show ? 21.30.47 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.31.10 # gevaerts: did you look at the screenshots? http://jakorasia.info/rockusb 21.31.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.32.10 # gevarts: 21:50 < cg> I'm testing the ums_v16 patch and getting some random stuff displayed in usbview in the interface 0 description. http://jakorasia.info/rockusb for screens 21.32.25 # 21:51 < cg> the text after the class: 08(stor) seems to randomly change and sometimes the whole description is missing 21.33.09 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.33.31 # cg: thanks. I missed that. Looking at it now 21.36.02 # cg: I tried to reproduce this. I installed usbview, and refreshed several times, without any unexpected output. Can you try unplugging your mouse ? I want to make sure it's not some electric interference with some other device. 21.36.02 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.36.58 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.37.18 # gevaerts: unplugging the mouse did not help 21.38.56 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 21.38.57 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.39.16 Join shisken [0] (n=565bc1df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-deec2f110732777f) 21.39.18 # gevaerts: i just tried it using the apple disk mode. same thing happens... may be usbview bug 21.39.52 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.40.29 # cg: maybe. It seems to rule out a rockbox bug anyway. 21.40.45 Quit shisken (Client Quit) 21.41.48 # pixelma: the c200's lcd datasheet is available (amiconn has it) so it should be easy to double check those values 21.41.49 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.42.39 Quit remotechief_311 (Remote closed the connection) 21.42.47 # gevaerts: v17 seems to work fine, copied 202mb, and everything is allright 21.42.58 Quit weezerle ("...und tschüss!") 21.42.59 # low_light: yes, he said 0 - 255 would be correct 21.43.01 # low_light: The datasheet is in the wiki, and it says that contrast range is 0..255 21.43.05 Join weezerle [0] (n=torben@dslb-088-072-002-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.43.08 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.43.35 # *But* that data sheet was discovered by matching the init sequence and other known commands against candidates 21.43.57 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.44.00 # desowin: thanks. that's e260 right ? 21.44.21 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 21.45.04 Quit toffe82 (Client Quit) 21.45.14 Join madmaurice [0] (n=590eb11c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2c44997c94a4e4f6) 21.45.47 # i see that rockbox now supports sanse e200r. but how to install it on there? 21.45.54 # Is there any possibility of fixing the lang problem which involves some langs not being built (6 can make all the difference (maybe it's because I speak 2 of them.)) 21.46.07 # madmaurice: have you looked in the manual? 21.46.09 # madmaurice: Not the easiest 21.46.11 # scor 21.46.14 # ooops 21.46.16 # madmaurice, there is a wiki about it 21.46.27 # benefits of accessibility: when my sansa's screen breaks, i can use rockbox's voice files 21.46.32 # mkay 21.46.37 # madmaurice: But if you look in the manual as scorche|w suggests, you will see a link to the instructions 21.46.49 # that's true 21.46.52 # petur: My calculations for PIO0 yield the following (CS2PRE/CS2WAIT/CS2POST): 21.47.06 # i only can see the e200 in the download list shall i take this one? 21.47.17 # madmaurice: the E200 manual, yes 21.47.32 # It contains a link to the E200r wiki page instructions 21.47.35 # PIO0: 11MHz: 1/0/1, 45MHz: 2/3/1, 124MHz: 5/14/2 21.48.00 # kay 21.48.07 # PIO4: 11MHz: 1/0/1, 45MHz: 1/0/1, 124MHz: 2/2/1 21.48.36 # amiconn: yup, but how do you calc CS2WAIT? 21.48.49 # Note that this PIO4 timing is slightly different from my old calculation 21.48.59 # It's called WAITCOUNT2 in the manual 21.49.08 # nevermind, found it in the datasheet 21.49.48 # You need to fullfil all mentioned conditions 21.50.18 Part jdsalinger ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 21.50.19 # care to explain? 21.50.20 # Both LinusN and me wonder about the mentioned 'typical' values in the manual though... 21.52.41 # splendid, freeze on first access :( 21.52.49 # countrymonkey: Bagder is aware of the problem. In the mean time use an older build. Just updating won't remove the missing languages anyway 21.53.47 # gevaerts: e280 21.53.56 # countrymonkey: so basically as long as you don't delete the .rockbox dir, there won't be any changes. 21.54.11 # does anyone have an issue with my separating names on the DevCon wiki page into a dev/staff group and a non-staff/users group?...it would make things a bit easier to see for planning with regards to who we need to make sure to get to come/who will qualify for help from the fund (assuming we do that again)/etc 21.54.27 # seems a solid plan 21.54.27 Join Munkie [0] (i=Munkie@c5-224-1.ctn.dial-up.net) 21.54.33 # countrymonkey: Unless they exceed the lang buffer, which they might, I suppose. Anyway, using an older build works. 21.54.35 # amiconn: for now I have one way to have stable operation: remove sleeping=true from ata_perform_sleep()... other changes give somehow stable results but after a while they mostly freeze 21.54.50 Join Anon1515 [0] (n=guest@bonn-4db4658d.pool.einsundeins.de) 21.54.50 # desowin: ok. e200 anyway. I should go through my irc logs and write these things down... 21.54.57 # hi guy 21.54.58 # s 21.55.20 # can i play mp4-videofiles with my rockbox (ipod video)? 21.55.23 # hi everyone. just wondering how to add rockbox to the linux bootloader? 21.55.29 Nick Anon1515 is now known as JamesTM (n=guest@bonn-4db4658d.pool.einsundeins.de) 21.55.45 # Munkie: Assuming you mean the iPodlinux bootloader, that is off topic here 21.55.50 # JamesTM: no 21.55.55 # ok sorry 21.55.56 # Munkie: Ask iPodlinux 21.55.59 # Rockbox only plays mpeg2. 21.56.00 # ok 21.56.03 Part Munkie 21.56.14 # Munkie: It is just it isn't our software, and we don't support it 21.56.14 # JamesTM: you can play mpeg1 and 2, but you are better off with teh original firmware for video playback 21.57.43 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98213a99@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-982dd564947e0053) 21.57.43 # anon1515: the short info is no. I could recommend other daps but that's offtopic here. 21.58.12 Join lookatme [0] (n=4452b77b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b33c457ee505238) 21.58.21 # Anon1515 - it's me now! 21.58.23 # :D 21.58.34 # is there any kinda patch to make drm protected songs work? 21.58.34 # so i cant play mp4 video files with rockbox? 21.58.44 # lookatme: No, for many reasons 21.58.54 # =( 21.59.00 # lookatme: Technical and philosophical 21.59.06 # philosphical? 21.59.10 # because i listen to podcasts, also as video... 21.59.21 # JamesTM: we said no many times... 21.59.28 # no. and you can't play drm stuff either. The iriver h300 unrockboxed does it and the sony mwzz-a serries walkmen do it and the creative zenstone does drm. 21.59.29 # and they are usually in mp4... 21.59.36 # lookatme: Don't buy crippled music if you want to be able to use it how you want. 21.59.45 # scorche|w SRY!!! :D 22.00.07 # no other way for me to use my itunes gift cards 22.00.35 # lookatme: sell to friends...craigslist, etc...but that is getting offtopic 22.01.12 Quit lookatme (Client Quit) 22.01.13 # JamesTM: like we said either transcode them or view them in the original firmware....on the ipod video, you are much better off using the original firmware though 22.01.22 # JamesTM: Well there we go. 1) Rockbox is open source --> code is available --> can't use secret drm code 2) Most people do not want to support DRM and disagree with it in principle, but that is getting OT 22.01.23 Join webguest90 [0] (n=562d5b1c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-639350fe61f23c0c) 22.01.36 # wrong person 22.01.38 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87.194.34.169) 22.01.42 # That was at lookatme 22.01.50 # yes it was 22.01.54 # I know :P 22.01.55 # :) 22.01.59 Join hhannah [0] (n=454ff856@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dea0de3e7d7df38d) 22.02.19 # scorche|w: Psychic powers should be on in here! 22.02.39 # What's up, hhannah? 22.02.50 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.03.38 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@65-101-135-186.tukw.qwest.net) 22.04.01 Quit hhannah (Client Quit) 22.04.13 Join hhannah [0] (n=454ff856@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6a935530e9c2c17) 22.04.31 # what's up? 22.04.44 # weird 22.04.44 # i see, but why are you talking about drm - drm has nothing to do with podcasts 22.04.51 # or am i wrong? 22.05.18 # JamesTM: You will note my next line said "BigBambi> That was at lookatme" - I got the nick wrong 22.05.19 # Hi. I came in to ask permission to include a couple of themes in the wiki 22.05.24 # When did podcasts get into the mix of conversation? 22.05.26 # today, it looks like my ipod 5g hung while shutting down. I didn't look at the screen after shutting down, just put it back in my pocket. Battery was full, and now it's flat (rockbox dies moments after starting up). Has this been reported before? 22.05.35 # countrymonkey: Don't worry about it 22.05.35 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.) 22.05.38 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@65-101-135-186.tukw.qwest.net) 22.06.17 # hhannah: What name did you register under? 22.06.20 # Battery was more-or-less fully charged when I shut down so at a guess it ended up spinning the disk for a few hours straight before dying.. 22.06.39 # countrymonkey: HumbertoSantana 22.06.55 # hold on a sec. 22.07.35 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f04b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-60b236d0f962a701) 22.10.16 Quit JamesTM ("bis bald bei evo-x") 22.10.27 Quit webguest90 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.11.07 # this is using svn 16290 btw 22.11.17 # there. I was fighting my browser; that's why it took so long. 22.12.19 # to get you signed up with write permission 22.12.22 Join ki [0] (n=helppp@cpc1-flee1-0-0-cust387.glfd.cable.ntl.com) 22.12.52 Part weezerle ("...bis dann!") 22.13.03 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.14.38 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 22.15.07 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f04b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f337218fde59635) 22.16.34 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 22.17.02 # Can I create a new player category at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting for the Zen V and Zen V Plus (combined)? 22.17.32 # the zen v already is one 22.18.26 # No, that's the Zen VM, the Zen V is another player altogether. 22.18.47 # really? I guess it's alright then. 22.19.23 # no reason it wouldn't be I don't think 22.19.34 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.20.30 # Added, then. 22.21.41 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-71699e62ae3232ca) 22.22.19 Quit timl (Remote closed the connection) 22.22.20 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 22.22.27 # countrymonkey: Thanks! So now I can include my themes , right? 22.22.33 # it is a wiki...if it is wrong, someone will just revert it and yell 22.22.50 # yes 22.23.06 # ok thanks again ;) 22.23.19 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 22.23.24 # no prob 22.24.57 # * petur has a new suspect: perform_soft_reset() 22.26.39 # ahh, the ipod nano culprit 22.27.14 # yeah I read the comment 22.27.33 # * gevaerts suspect evrything 22.27.33 # no more CF freezing without that code :) 22.27.35 Quit defukt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.28.42 # amiconn: is soft_reset requirted for HDDs? 22.29.12 # soft_reset() seems to be used to wake from sleep, right? 22.29.24 Quit madmaurice ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.29.56 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.0.2 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 22.31.04 # next test: PIO4 timings 22.32.26 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98213a99@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c91bb9ccef08388) 22.33.01 Quit ol_schoola () 22.34.30 # h 22.35.12 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 22.35.33 Quit rasher (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.35.47 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 22.36.23 # did anybody ever try to figure out why perform_soft_reset() fails with flash? 22.37.14 # * Bagder found and fixed the missing lang problem 22.37.15 # yeah 22.37.19 # i broke it sorry 22.37.29 # i'll buy a new one 22.38.11 # oh, japenese and korean probably aren't for the player... 22.38.34 # doesnt the player do japanese? 22.38.40 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 22.38.58 # * JdGordon|w thought it could do at least some japanese chars? 22.39.13 # srs? 22.39.30 # with 256 letters out of which 8 is customizable... 22.40.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.41.29 # * low_light finally got the m:robe 100 touchpad to do something 22.42.08 # well done 22.42.19 # I reset it and it responded with a "hello" packet 22.42.23 # BYE GUYS 22.42.25 # XXXXXXXXXX 22.42.33 # remember to clean your penis 22.42.38 Part ki 22.42.52 # wasnt he special? :p 22.43.07 # Just have read the question about loader 2 (iPL bootloader) and i know it's entirely off-topic in here and i understand that. But it would be very nice if you could send them to http://www.ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 or maybe at least to your forum thread about loader 2 in your forums. Thanks. 22.43.29 Quit desowin () 22.44.01 # Bagder: some of the archos players actually support some japanese, amiconn can tell you more. 22.44.08 # DerPapst: like http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0 ? 22.44.23 # oh wait...i misunderstood 22.44.25 # but the japanese language file will be useless for it 22.44.31 # scorche|w: yes 22.44.33 # petur: I just checked the CF spec about the ATA control register 22.44.52 # is the new ums mode meant to be used only when the player displays the usb connection screen? the screen can be skipped by pressing menu while plugging in usb (ipod) and then the device can be mounted while still continuing playing music and accessing menus. if this is supposed to work like this, is there any point having the usb connection screen? 22.44.58 # DerPapst: yeah...usually we try to send them over to #ipodlinux, but it depends on the person responding.. 22.44.59 # I just care about our Japanese lang file, not any theoretical future use... 22.45.41 Quit hhannah ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.45.43 # Well I did say ask iPodlinux 22.45.43 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.45.48 # #ipodlinux is pretty empty and they won't get help there either. so best would be to send them to our wiki. it has the newest build and instructions how to boot rockbox 22.45.50 # petur: I think I understand what we are doing with the SRST bit: spec says you put it to one to perform soft reset, then to zero to end the reset 22.46.09 # Llorean: ping 22.46.17 # DerPapst: noted...thanks for the clarification 22.46.27 # thank you :-) 22.46.31 # I'm afraid I don't have an iPod, have never been to the iPL site, and don't want to search for a page when the person could do it themselves 22.47.04 # cg: don't use the player while you have the device mounted. It will give all sorts of problems (including possible data corruption). 22.47.26 # BigBambi: then just tell them there is a thread in the rockbox forums... 22.47.27 # petur: What I don't get is the nIEN bit... it disables interrupts from the CF card. perform_soft_reset leaves them disabled, it seems. That can't be right... 22.47.49 # magmaniac: checking... 22.48.05 # p.126 :) 22.48.24 # DerPapst: Surely telling them to check iPl is better? 22.49.06 # BigBambi: indeed. i want to ask Llorean if he can add the link to our wiki to his first post in that thread. 22.49.23 # DerPapst: I'm sure he would be happy to 22.49.26 # magmaniac: interesting indeed 22.49.33 # gevaerts: thanks. is there any plans making this work/safe? should the ums mode be disabled, if the usb conn screen is skipped? 22.49.36 # so if they're actually reading what he wrote they'll discover the link :-) 22.49.42 # hehe 22.49.46 # i really would rather not link them to our forum thread...if they want help, they should get help from IPL unless it is dead 22.49.56 # scorche|w: Exactly 22.50.02 # yes and no 22.50.10 # it's kinda difficult... 22.50.21 # Linking them to our forum suggests we support it, no matter how much it says we don't 22.50.30 # petur: maybe trying another SET_REG...ATA_CONTROL to enable interrupts again does the trick? 22.50.31 # indeed 22.50.54 # magmaniac: loading a new test build now... 22.50.58 # iPodLinux is off topic here and rockbox is off-topic in iPodLinux so there is some kind of a grey aera. 22.51.01 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=3dd50610@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-792b401ab3048c97) 22.51.17 # petur: disabled interrupts would sure explain freezing :) 22.51.20 # cg: I haven't looked yet how to change this. As far as I am concerned UMS shouldn't be enabled by default as long as this is not fixed. On the other hand, it's a nice feature to be able to reach the debugging screens while connected. 22.51.32 # cg: so yes, it will be made safe 22.51.33 # i for my part try to support loader 2 wherever it is asked. 22.51.45 # DerPapst: I think use of the bootloader is the responsibility of the respective projects 22.51.50 # About japanese and its chars, does that mean we need a file specifically for the player? 22.52.02 # magmaniac: already froze 22.52.05 # however we had some rockbox support questions in our forums about rockbox database and such ;-) 22.52.17 # petur: damn :( 22.52.19 # DerPapst: well... It is about using loader 2, about loader 2's config, etc....i dont really see how making loader 2 work with rockbox concerns rockbox 22.52.25 # If iPl don't want to support loading rockbox, it really shouldn't. Ditto for the rockbox bootloader loading iPl 22.52.28 # we need an ATA guru... 22.52.33 # DerPapst: then send them our way ;) 22.52.44 # aha 22.52.53 # DerPapst: In that case, tell them to come here, as long as they are using the rockbox bootloader 22.53.06 # scorche|w: i agree that part belongs to us but normally users keep making questions about rockbox then. 22.53.32 # DerPapst: then like we said...send them here, although we will likely tell them to use the rockbox bootloader 22.53.37 # i do. 22.53.43 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.53.44 # always did ;-) 22.53.45 # * petur wonders what happens if you SET_REG(ATA_SELECT, SELECT_LBA | ata_device ) for non-LBA... 22.53.52 # scorche|w: s/likely/definitely 22.54.03 Join Shnaw [0] (i=Shnaw@68-179-175-199.bsr-c2-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 22.54.12 # low_light: great news on the "hello" response. :) 22.55.11 # BigBambi: that is the problem. They _want_ loader 2. We send them to you because they're having problems you tell them they don't get support as long as they're running Loader 2. So they come back to us and ask, because lots of our users also use loader 2. 22.55.29 # roolku: yes, finally! I will send you code. 22.55.37 # DerPapst: We just ask them to verify it with our bootloader 22.55.45 # Loader2 was caused problems in the past 22.55.47 # * roolku celebrates 22.55.59 # bah, more freezing 22.56.09 # They can check it is really a rockbox problem, get support, then put back loader2 if they want 22.56.19 # DerPapst: if they still have the issue then we will solve it...it is more of a measure just to make sure it isnt loader 2's fault 22.56.23 # * gevaerts recommends petur to try again in the summer 22.56.37 # * petur was waiting for that remark 22.56.39 # anyone know how to get .bmp's synched to my e200 to view right, WITHOUT using rockbox's Paint ripoff? 22.56.49 # BigBambi: yes it did and old versions still do. 22.56.50 # good thing I love cold weather :) 22.57.00 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 22.57.05 # DerPapst: Hence us asking them to verify with our bootloader 22.57.17 # Me too, but the I don't complain about freezing 22.57.20 Join rasher [50] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 22.57.24 # Shnaw: There is no bmp 'viewer' in rockbox 22.57.32 # * JdGordon|w really needs to get a gui loader going to get people to stop using ipl loader2 22.57.45 # the only ones that go back to you are the ones who are too lazy to bother lifting a finger to help diagnose their issue...if they come back to you, you should slap their hand and tell them to go away and if they want support, they know what to do... 22.57.47 # Shnaw: And in what way is Rockpaint a paint 'ripoff'? 22.58.11 # any way to synch my pictures correctly to a different format (PNG, TIFF, JPEG) so i can view them like the original e200 firmware allowed? 22.58.17 # jpg 22.58.23 # JdGordon|w: you won't get any thanks and a millions of support questions... :-) 22.58.30 # Shnaw: Check the manual 22.58.35 # just throw them in the original "PHOTO" folder? 22.58.42 # Wherever you want 22.58.52 # Bagder: sounds like fun :) 22.59.01 # And be aware that the scaling is only 1/2, 2x, ... etc 22.59.04 # * scorche|w still doesnt get this whole hubbub about a graphical bootloader...it just slows things down =/ 22.59.10 # me neither 22.59.17 # yah, i prescale all my photos 22.59.26 # Shnaw: You are all set then 22.59.31 # so rockbox just picks up any pictures in any directory? 22.59.40 # You use the filebrowser 22.59.46 # ah 22.59.55 # thanks, very much so, time for testings i suppose 23.00.03 # Just copy them wherever you want 23.00.32 # ok, i just have to delete 1.8GB worth of Bitmkaps, and recopy them as JPEG's T_T 23.00.41 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.27 # BigBambi: Well, you're right on this one and i can't argue against that. Our users are sometimes... well... let's say they've never seen a shell. So we have like million broken and outdated installers. -.- However, if they install the rockbox bootloader they're too stupid to resintall Loader 2 ^^ 23.01.32 # * countrymonkey hopes in defense of the blind population that gui bootloaders don't get created or if they do then the kind we have now will still be availible and developed 23.02.00 # anyone thinking a gui loader would be the default is just stupid 23.02.32 # you know, even though im sure they are quite common, i have YET to meet a blind person who regularly uses an iPod 23.02.46 # DerPapst: hehe :) 23.03.16 # scorche|w: Loader 2 is some kind of grub version for the iPod. You can boot different kernels, send arguments to init and stuff like that. No way you could do this with a non graphical one. And speed isn't one of the biggest issues there (not for those with iPL on their iPod) ;-) 23.03.48 # DerPapst: but when applied to rockbox?... 23.03.49 # that's me. That's why rb is so cool. I am trying without success to tell my sighted friends that they are missing a lot by not switching to rb. 23.04.08 Join webguest93 [0] (n=562d5b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-37a9c5b592e47a9f) 23.04.17 # scorche|w: for rockbox a graphical bootloader is completely pointless imo. 23.04.33 # exactly 23.04.40 # it just slows things down.. 23.04.57 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955FD21.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.05.23 # wow, anyone ever gotten a loading screen that says this, "load:aeroflame.wps 23.05.25 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-131-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.05.28 # PHAIL 23.05.31 # then a restart? 23.05.40 # PHAIL? 23.05.42 # literally 23.05.45 # on aline break 23.05.46 # when rockbox gets ported to teh zvm how hgard would it be to port it to the rest of the creative players ? 23.05.49 # it ssays "PHAIL" 23.05.51 # In rockbox? 23.06.00 # webguest93: still a lot of work 23.06.03 # on the generic black loading screen with white letters 23.06.13 # kind of like a dos box 23.06.25 # scorche|w: rockbox can't fetch arguments and having different builds isn't possible either. The only use for a graphical loader for rockbox would be some kind of testing loader where you can start differen main binaries e.g. for testing different USB patches withou having to connect and update all the time. 23.06.40 # bagder, I know but it'd be easier than strarting from scratch ? 23.06.44 # it says its loading a theme (which i do not use by the way) and then reports phail and restarts, does it again, etc 23.07.09 # webguest93: I'm not really sure what other creative players that may be similar to the zvm 23.07.32 # scorche|w: but those who want to use Loader 2 want it because they have iPodLinux installed too, so your point isn't 100% valid in this case. 23.07.37 # they mostly use the same tms chip other than that tho im not asure. 23.08.04 # well this is depressing 23.08.12 # webguest93: I recall some file format similarities though, so parts of the work should be able to be reused 23.08.19 # second day on it, and i'm already getting crap 23.08.32 # Shnaw: is that really an official rockbox build? 23.08.35 # ok cool. finally a use for my old creative player. 23.08.44 # its the one that came with the utility 23.08.52 # i just did a complete install, out of laziness 23.09.04 # DerPapst: re: different binaries, there is RoLo, so i still think it doesnt really have a purpose....and if they want IPL too, then well, it isnt our responsibility 23.09.14 # it worked fine on a 6 hour road trip today 23.09.15 # Shnaw: Which utility? The one from the manual? 23.09.22 # yes, the one from the manual 23.09.45 # there's no "phail" text anywhere in Rockbox afaik, using either casing 23.09.50 # So, just to be clear, when are you getting this odd screen? 23.09.50 # * DerPapst forgot about RoLo... 23.09.51 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 23.10.25 # most do... 23.10.46 # i start my e200, and it shows the rockbox splash, then flips toi a DOS looking screen, says, "loading:aerotheme.wps (linebreak) PHAIL" *RESTART* 23.11.00 # Shnaw: Very odd 23.11.06 # the theme name changes every time i start 23.11.10 # Can you reset your settings please? 23.11.10 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.144.119) 23.11.14 # Shnaw: what build are you running? 23.11.15 # it was aeroflame, then aerotheme, nbow its DOOMBOX 23.11.23 # Hold record as it is booting IIRC 23.11.42 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.12.13 # ok 23.12.18 # im at the normal menu now 23.12.29 # with the original theme and such 23.12.48 # I just checked. PHAIL does not appear anywhere in my rockbox svn checkout 23.13.03 # gevaerts: I would have been stunned if it had :) 23.13.08 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 23.13.13 # WTF, ok, not two seconds after im at the original menu, the same dos'y screen came up 23.13.14 # scorche|w: sure it isn't your responibility. but users don't care. So imo that is something both projects have to work better together. We help them to set rockbox up and you help them with their problems. 23.13.15 # phail 23.13.17 # restart 23.13.33 # Shnaw: Without doing anything? 23.13.38 # didnt touch it 23.14.03 # Anyone else confused? 23.14.07 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.14.31 # DerPapst: well, they can still load iPL with the usual rockbox bootloader.. 23.14.49 # Shnaw: DOS is an OS... the term your looking for is text screen is some sort 23.15.06 # just using it as an illustration 23.15.19 # an irritatingly stupoid one 23.15.25 # calm down 23.15.31 # o..k 23.15.35 Join Bliz1 [0] (n=brian@pool-72-93-41-254.bstnma.east.verizon.net) 23.15.54 # i could have used an even less relevant one, and said it looked like Linux 23.16.04 # Let's not continue this 23.16.14 # but back to the problem at hand 23.16.42 # im thinking, nuke RB, and clean install? 23.16.50 # Shnaw: Give it a go 23.16.55 # scorche|w: they can, ture, but they can't boot different linux kernels or send arguments to the kernel... unless you want to add such support to rolo. 23.17.11 # I don't know what you are seeing, as phail or PHAIL does not appear in the source code 23.17.34 # Shnaw: can you also check the filesystem ? 23.17.42 # and iirc RoLo can't load the OF yet. So those with different OF versions are screwed too. 23.18.06 # DerPapst: yeah...i am a bit hazy on the status of RoLo on those devices.. 23.18.12 Join Mskt [0] (i=Mskt@83.144.141.32) 23.18.24 # Out of curiosity, what type of glyffs does the player support? 23.18.28 # DerPapst: anyway, have we completely deviated from the subject? 23.18.57 # japanese glyffs. Sorry! 23.19.26 Part Bliz1 23.19.31 # Hello. Can i ask anything about hdd passwords on this channel ? 23.19.40 # nop 23.19.52 # Mskt: only if you make it related to Rockbox... 23.19.52 # Mskt: For the old archos units? 23.20.00 Join Shnaww [0] (i=Shnaw@68-179-175-199.bsr-c2-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 23.20.04 # nop 23.20.06 # Bagder: Wasn't there an issue back in the day? 23.20.11 # there was 23.20.14 # there was 23.20.20 # zagor got several disks locked 23.20.27 # www.rockbox.org/lock.htm 23.20.32 # or is it html 23.20.33 # and that's why people still find us when searching for the topic 23.20.34 # I knew my memory was good for something :) 23.20.35 # scorche|w: a bit yes. I'd say lets agree that you send them to us for loading rockbox via Loader 2 (mainly the wiki page i linked to and our forums) and we send them to you if they have support questions with rockbox :-) 23.20.38 # ok, RB delted , clean installing, (and why did my name not clear after i got d/c) 23.20.50 # DerPapst: Deal :) 23.21.10 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.21.39 # DerPapst: yup yup...and if they come back to you because they are too lazy to try with the rockbox bootloader, then make sure people wont be enablers :) 23.21.54 # Just tell them to visit ipodlinux.org and type "Loader 2" into the search box on the left side and they'll be sent to the wiki page for loader 2 :-) 23.22.14 # bambi, clean installed, problem still there 23.22.33 # magmaniac: evn with only a very clean softreset, the first read after the reset fails :( 23.22.48 # Shnaw: Does the OF work properly? And if you want to highlight someone you need to use the full nick 23.23.05 Quit nuppy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.23.07 # Shnaww: perhaps you could take a picture of the error?...perhaps you are misreading it? 23.23.15 Quit Mskt () 23.23.17 # BigBambi: same to you ;) 23.23.19 # scorche|w, BigBambi: thank you both for this clarifying discussion. :-) 23.23.28 # petur: same problem i have on nano, weird 23.23.43 # scorche|w: dammit all 23.23.48 # petur: let me know if you solve it :-) 23.23.50 # hm, i lack a camera, but the messagfe appears for roughly 2-3 seconds before it restarts, so i read it pretty clearly 23.23.57 # * BigBambi looks stupid 23.24.16 # petur: nasty. so the interrupt bit is not the culprit. 23.24.16 # * DerPapst hugs tabcompletition ^ 23.24.16 # preglow: the soft reset itself is done very quickly, it takes 0 retries while waiting for ready 23.24.29 # DerPapst: I thought I did :/ 23.24.45 # magmaniac: nope, and neither is the LBA one (which is a bug I think) 23.24.51 # you did...just you referenced his ghost 23.24.58 Join ally_xoxooox [0] (n=asdokeas@c-69-141-95-124.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 23.25.01 # ah, that is it 23.25.13 # hey, guys, can anyone help me for a sec? 23.25.14 # petur: what is buggy about the LBA bit? 23.25.21 Join soundavinci [0] (n=d8d9f731@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f6592f79fb5479c) 23.25.34 # wait, wait, im not getting the text screen anymore 23.25.37 # Im trying to get my nano ipod running rockbox, but i have a problem with my rbutilqt 23.25.42 # though, i wouldnt call it resolved 23.25.49 # Shnaww: Camera phone? We are really quite keen to see it as none of us ever have, or can see where it comes from :) 23.25.51 # im now just getting a blank red screen 23.26.05 # boot, splash, red screen, no restarts though 23.26.07 # magmaniac: SELECT_LBA | ata_device should only be done if LBA is enabled I think 23.26.08 # Shnaww: Does the OF work properly? 23.26.18 # clarify? 23.26.33 # petur: Is rockbox not using LBA? 23.26.34 # OF? original firmware 23.26.47 # * petur asks google about CF resets 23.26.49 # ah, let me see 23.27.01 # * DerPapst goes back coding... and DerPapst starts to hate UI stuff ;-) 23.27.05 Quit spr0k3t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.27.41 # ally_xoxooox: What do you need help with? 23.27.41 # ok RB, nuked, time to restart 23.27.43 Join spr0k3t [0] (n=spr0k3t@user-0c93sh8.cable.mindspring.com) 23.27.47 # fingers crossed 23.27.48 # Sorry to ask so stupid, I was around 3 monh offline, where can I find unsupported builds for IPOD 60GB, like EvilG? 23.28.03 # soundavinci: The unsupported build forum on the forums 23.28.23 # ok, after a restart and database rebuild, the OF works fine 23.28.24 # If the specific one you are looking for is no longer there it is out of date and so has been removed 23.28.29 # they're just that, unsupported! Dicect the word and you will find they are not supported. 23.28.56 # countrymonkey: Calm down, I think asking where they are is OK 23.29.23 # hi countrymonkey: well, i have a 2gb first generation nano, trying to setup rockbox. I have a linux PC btw. I was able to unmount it and follow the wiki "convertiontoFAT32" and applied the correct .bin. However when i run the rbutilqt it says it doesnt find my ipod 23.29.30 # Shnaww: Very odd 23.29.32 # Thanks But the daily build is not really working like wished, some patches seems to be missing, wps is messed up etc... 23.29.33 # or rather, it can't find a correct mount/path 23.29.38 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.6.122) 23.30.01 # soundavinci: Feel free, but as countrymonkey says, be aware you will receive no support outside of the thread for the build 23.30.04 # BigBambi: OF works fine, actually, (probably overanalyzing) it seems, faster? less delay between menu selections , loads songs with no delay 23.30.21 # Shnaww: Yeah, probably the same as ever 23.30.37 # i guess i got used to the slight delay in RB so it seems like that 23.30.46 # Shnaww: delay where? 23.30.47 Part low_light 23.30.54 # selecting songs 23.31.04 # * BigBambi hasn't experienced that 23.31.10 # Shnaww: Using the databse? 23.31.12 # thers about .5-1s before the song plays 23.31.21 # any ideas countrymonkey 23.31.50 # on the DB, the delay is more 1-2s when accessing the SD card 23.31.58 # And have you selected load to ram? 23.32.13 # petur: the ATA read/write routines always use SELECT_LBA, as far as I can see. I guess for other commands where you don't really need to address a sector, it doesn't matter whether it is set or not. 23.32.17 # did not experience that option 23.32.24 # It is there... 23.32.28 # where? 23.32.29 # In the database options 23.32.32 # ah 23.32.54 # on the Sansas? 23.33.00 # Is it not? 23.33.04 Quit soundavinci ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.33.11 # * BigBambi cannot check at the moment, running a battery bench 23.33.38 # pixelma: Can you not load the database to RAM on the Sansas? 23.33.49 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Connection timed out) 23.33.51 # not that I know of, and it is not on my c200... 23.33.58 # oops 23.34.08 # Shnaww: Scratch that then :) 23.34.37 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.34.56 # ally_xoxooox: did you convert your ipod with ipdopatcher? 23.35.02 Quit Shnaw (Connection timed out) 23.35.34 # the ipodpatcher is only for the 30GB i thought? 23.35.35 # BigBambi: Iirc you can't on almost all flash targets 23.35.41 # i had a 2GB nano first generation 23.35.49 # but yes i applied the "mbr-nano2gb.bin" 23.35.52 # I don't use the sansa much, and all my others are hard disk 23.35.56 # ally_xoxooox: it's for all ipods rockbox supports 23.36.09 # In fact, I don't use the database full stop, except to check things 23.36.19 # Which I clearly didn't do this time :) 23.36.24 # ally_xoxooox: so i assume you didn't use ipodpatcher then. 23.36.31 # DerPapst: IIRC it's not a question of flash based but a question of multivolume support 23.36.38 # i guess not :) you think i should? 23.36.45 Join Shnawww [0] (i=Shnaw@68-179-175-199.bsr-c2-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 23.36.51 # ok 23.36.55 # ally_xoxooox: would have been better :-P 23.37.14 # :) let me see if that will work 23.37.16 # BigBambi: I'm going to redownload the utility and clean install 23.37.27 # but it isn't a biggie anyways if you know what you have to do. 23.37.30 # Shnawww: What OS are you on? 23.37.46 # XP Home 23.37.57 # And what version of rbutil? 23.38.04 # pixelma: ah. i though it'S because the database can be read from flash fast enough (no spinup time) 23.38.07 # i didn't want to try and load it on Ubuntu 23.38.26 # Shnawww: Each is as easy as the other IMO 23.38.37 # revision 15488 m1.0.3 23.38.44 # k 23.38.51 # ally_xoxooox: ipodpatcher won't be able to detect your ipod either if you didn't use it to convert your ipod from a macpod to an ipod. 23.38.52 # well, i'm having problems with my Ubuntu right now anyway 23.38.55 # DerPapst do you have a link for the patch? 23.38.56 # err... winpod 23.38.59 # it likes to format anything i plug into it 23.39.05 # useful :P 23.39.06 # countrymonkey: http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_new.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_new_hw.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_new_subst.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_old.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_old_hw.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_old_subst.gif 23.39.10 # ally_xoxooox: ipodpatcher is a proram. 23.39.16 # *program 23.39.26 # countrymonkey: What they exactly mean, you'll have to ask someone who knows, because the page these images were used on seems to be gone 23.39.31 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m135.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 23.39.34 # CD-RW's Flash drivceews, external hDD's, MP3 players, friends' iPods 23.39.36 # it does it all 23.40.15 # i know DerPapst, but my internet isn't working too good 23.40.25 # i used ipodpatcher once before.... 23.40.30 # let me see if i still have it 23.40.35 Join cdiddy [0] (i=cdiddy@24-217-98-244.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 23.40.39 # mmhh.. i though the conversion wiki already mentions ipodpatcher as possible way to convert an macpod o.O 23.41.09 # ok, redownloaded the utility, (same version and revision as my last one) going to minimal install 23.41.26 Quit mirak (SendQ exceeded) 23.41.29 # hello, I'm trouble shooting a e200 video problem; I've been through a lot of steps and would like to try one final thing; would anybody be kind enough to send me a video file encoded specifically for the e200 so I can make sure my encoding is not at fault 23.41.41 # ally_xoxooox: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher 23.41.46 # cdiddy: See elephants dream on the wiki 23.42.05 # cdiddy, the e200 just uses .MOV files 23.42.17 # Shnaww: Not in rockbox it doesn't 23.42.18 # Shnaww: not with rockbox.. 23.42.19 # ally_xoxooox: but as i said, i don't think it will detect your ipod. 23.42.20 # all SMC does it convert it to .MOV and scale it to fit the screen 23.42.28 # Shnaww: not with rockbox.. 23.42.34 # Shnawww: Rockbox plays MPEG1/2 23.42.41 # orly? maybe thats why RB wouldnt pick up the MOV's already in my VIDEO folder 23.42.42 # ally_xoxooox: iirc you will need to have root privileges to use ipodpatcher (or install a bootloader with rbutil) 23.42.53 # * BigBambi points Shnawww to the manual 23.42.55 # AH!, no wonder i couldn't watch my tourettes guy videos 23.42.59 # nls can't i just use sudo? 23.43.13 # sorry, when i heard about this, i was on a testerone rush that made the manual seem feeble 23.43.21 # I will try the wiki 23.43.27 # ally_xoxooox: that gives you root privileges, so you can 23.43.33 # yup 23.43.36 # Shnawww: The guidelines require you to check the manual first 23.43.43 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m135.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 23.43.48 # cdiddy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos 23.43.50 # i wouldnt say i havent checked it, just not FINISHED checking it 23.43.51 # DerPapst: i can't download the ipodpatcher.... 23.43.55 # are you able to also? 23.43.59 # countrymonkey: http://web.archive.org/web/20060614102521/http://www.rockbox.org/docs/rocklatin.html 23.44.06 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 23.44.07 # nvm its working now 23.44.14 # ok 23.44.20 # BigBambi, good news, with a Small install, it works clean and good 23.44.34 # cool 23.44.40 # ally_xoxooox: try running it from the terminal with sudo ./ipodpatcher --list 23.44.52 # one sec 23.45.00 # ally_xoxooox: or sudo ./ipodpatcher --scan 23.45.21 # this was such a confusing problem 23.45.30 Quit mirak (SendQ exceeded) 23.45.42 # DerPapst says command not found 23.46.06 # ally_xoxooox: Are you in the directory you downloaded ipodpatcher to? 23.46.12 # DerPapst: well, I don't need the database in RAM on my Sansa (as you said it's fast enough) but some want that option as it is supposed to speed up auto-update together with dircache 23.46.18 # yes i am 23.46.21 # ally_xoxooox: then you've done something wron. is the ipodpatcher binary 1) executbale 2) in the same dir where you're working in? 23.46.22 # i have but one final question, is it normal that if i p 23.46.25 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m135.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 23.46.47 # Shnawww: As long as it isn't in the manual... :) 23.46.51 # plug my e200 to my comput er while its on in RB, it freezes and my computer doesnt recognizee it until i take out the battery,m and plug it in with it turned off 23.46.56 # its on my desktop so im in "ally@ally-desktop:~/Desktop$ 23.47.03 # its not binary, its a exec 23.47.23 # binary == executable 23.47.34 # at least in my universe :-P 23.47.37 # :) i knew that! heh 23.47.45 # Shnawww: You do not have to take out the battery 23.47.47 # Shnaww: no need to take out battery, hold down the power button for 15 secs 23.47.52 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.47.54 # Just hold power for 15 secs (or more 23.47.58 # it refuses to turn off for any amount if time 23.48.06 # Then the hardware is broken 23.48.16 # soilder in a reset button :-P 23.48.22 # DerPapst: found 23.48.22 # afrika@afrika-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo ./ipodpatcher 23.48.22 # sudo: ./ipodpatcher: command not found 23.48.24 # o0 then why does it work fine if i plug it in while i have it powered off? 23.48.34 Quit mirak (Client Quit) 23.48.42 # Holding power for 15 seconds or more is a hardware off on the E200 23.49.03 # Shnawww: Because the functionality is different? 23.49.09 # i think its a firmware problem, because when i have it powered off and plug it in, it load the original firmware, and this works fine 23.49.19 # ally_xoxooox: can you try "sudo -i" 23.49.32 # * DerPapst is not too familiar with linux 23.49.33 # Shnawww: The freezing sure, but if holding power does not work, that is a hardware issue 23.49.34 # yes that works 23.49.44 # hm, not really a concern 23.49.45 # ally_xoxooox: so you have a root shell now? 23.49.49 # Shnawww: Rockbox cannot change how that works 23.49.49 # yup 23.49.59 # should i be in root shell? im not good with linux! 23.50.04 # ally_xoxooox: ok then try ./ipodpatcher --scan 23.50.05 # im replacing this soon, its about 1.5 years old, all the screw are gone (making the back easy to remove, and the screen is cracked 23.50.26 Quit Bagder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.28 # if only RB supported the Zune 23.50.39 # ally_xoxooox: yes, you need the rootshell 23.50.39 # keep waiting 23.50.45 # or, i suppose, if the Zune supported RB 23.50.47 Quit Zarggg ("Even brain pancake crystal elderly have mass naked child events lately.") 23.50.57 Quit Shnaww (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.51.09 # it says "No such file or dir" 23.51.10 # hmm 23.51.29 # If you type ls do you see ipodpatcher 23.51.38 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 23.51.38 # Shnawww: you were right the first time 23.51.40 # DerPapst, ally_xoxooox: sudo -i puts you in /root 23.51.40 # ally_xoxooox: and if you type in "ls" it lists ipodpatcher together with other stuff? 23.51.58 # ok i lkied, i have one more question, where can i find the file to edit the 'CLICKWHEEL" sound? the current one sounds more like scrambled crap than a click 23.51.59 # no DerPapst 23.52.08 # gevaerts: ah.. heh... as i said. i'n no good with linux. 23.52.08 # Has anybody tried using the DMA on PortalPlayer? My test code fails miserably :( 23.52.09 # when it type "ls" nothing is listed... 23.52.10 # ahh 23.52.12 # then you are not in the right directory 23.52.21 # ally_xoxooox: try "cd /home/afrika/Desktop" first (guessing your home directory) 23.52.33 # and i would like to replace the current clickwheel sound with an obnoxious beep 23.52.35 # Shnawww: Have you checked the manual? 23.52.40 # ally_xoxooox: cd /home/ally/Desktop 23.52.49 # yup okay thats working 23.52.57 # ls works now 23.53.09 # does it list ipodpatcher? 23.53.21 # yes 23.53.32 # but when i do "./ipodpatcher --scan" says permission denied 23.53.43 # so should i try "sudo ./ipodpatcher --scan" ? 23.53.43 # chmod +x ./ipodpatcher 23.53.48 # okay 23.54.05 # and then the sudo thingy 23.54.50 # sudo ./ipodpatcher --scan 23.54.50 # ./ipodpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected 23.55.03 # okay, i checked the manual, and problem one, i dont see a section for "system settings' which is where the "keyclick" setting is 23.55.26 # ally_xoxooox: as long as you are in the root shell, leave out the "sudo" in front of the command. 23.55.34 # ok 23.55.53 # Shnawww: Sorry, what are you trying to do? 23.56.04 # brb 23.56.07 # ./ipodpatcher --scan 23.56.07 # -bash: ./ipodpatcher: cannot execute binary file 23.56.19 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.56.21 Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC") 23.56.28 # ally_xoxooox: maybe it's safer to exit the root shell for now and use sudo. The earlier problems were not sudo related, but were because of the missing 'chmod -x' 23.56.41 # how to exit out of root? heh 23.56.47 # ally_xoxooox: "exit" 23.56.51 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.56.51 # :P i knew that 23.57.11 # i had rockbox working on my 30gb ipod video no problem 23.57.22 # i dont know why im having a problem with my nano 23.57.29 Join advlaptop2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.57.29 Join Shnaw [0] (i=Shnaw@68-179-175-199.bsr-c2-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 23.57.36 # anyway, it sounds scrambled, not like a "click" i want to replace it with an annoying beeping sound, becaus ei love annoying beeping sounds 23.57.57 # ally_xoxooox: does sudo ./ipodpatcher --scan work now ? 23.58.17 # at least does ipodpatcher say anything? 23.58.23 # no i get an error with the syntex 23.58.33 # sudo ./ipodpatcher --scan 23.58.34 # ./ipodpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected 23.58.56 # hmm 23.58.58 Quit roolku () 23.58.59 # * DerPapst never heard of that one...