--- Log for 21.02.108  Server: zelazny.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
--- Nick: @logbot  Version: Dancer V4.16  Started: 7 days and 13 hours ago

00.00.59 Join    Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap)
00.02.07 #       * gevaerts waits impatiently for the builds to complete
00.03.51 Join    JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7cc6126196a52e88)
00.04.31 Join    stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk)
00.05.35 #       * amiconn almost can't believe what he found out
00.05.46 #       * gevaerts celebrates not breaking any build
00.06.14 Join    fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
00.10.06 #       * amiconn wonders why there is a significant red delta although the code isn't enabled by default
00.10.36 #       <preglow> well, some data stuff probably isn't commented out
00.10.44 #       <preglow> doesn't matter anyway, it's going in soon enough
00.10.49 #       <preglow> amiconn: what did you find out?
00.11.01 #       <amiconn> See my latest commit...
00.11.38 #       <amiconn> That WScript.Sleep 100   had a significantly larger effect on SAPI4 voice building time that expected
00.11.55 #       <amiconn> s/that/than/
00.12.10 #       * preglow knows nothing about sapi :/
00.12.44 #       <amiconn> It literally took hours (> 3) here to even build a player voice with sapi4. Now it "just" took 26 minutes
00.14.16 #       <preglow> why so slow?
00.14.26 #       <amiconn> SAPI4 works realtime
00.14.31 #       <preglow> why...
00.14.40 #       <amiconn> It's designed that way
00.14.44 #       <preglow> lousy design
00.14.56 #       <amiconn> It can be sped up to 8x realtime, but not when using the automation interface
00.15.19 #       <amiconn> Yeah, that's probably why SAPI5 exists. It's very different from SAPI4
00.15.23 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: congrats... and your cheating! wait untill you commit something which is compiled in by default :D
00.15.35 #       <preglow> amiconn: but yeah, like i asked, is there any pseudo-opcode to make a pc relative lea.l sequence out of an address label?
00.15.39 #       <amiconn> When SAPI5 writes to disk, it writes as fast as the CPU+disk allows
00.15.50 #       <JdGordon|w> oops...
00.15.56 #       * JdGordon|w looks at the deltas and shuts up
00.16.09 #       <preglow> JdGordon|w: well, at least the code isn't compiled in :P
00.16.39 #       <amiconn> I don't know of any. You could perhaps use something like   <label> - .
00.16.57 #       <preglow> yeah, thought of that, but i think that's a bit too ugly to warrant saving two bytes
00.17.25 #       <petur> looks like linuxstb has a full disk
00.17.34 #       <lostlogic> w00t, rockbox usb stack working on my sansa
00.17.44 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: The next steps will have to be active from the start. They will clean up usb connection detection and threading
00.17.47 #       <preglow> lostlogic: damn straight it is! \o/
00.17.53 #       <lostlogic> what all targets is it 'spected to work on?
00.17.59 #       <lostlogic> gevaerts: you rock man.
00.17.59 #       <preglow> portalplayers
00.18.14 #       <lostlogic> nice, my video's been begging for an upgrade.
00.18.53 #       <amiconn> pp502x to be precise
00.19.07 #       <preglow> well, good point, do we know anything of usb on the pp5002?
00.20.10 #       <lostlogic> hmph, how... when I hold select, it still shows up as a drive in windows, isn't it impossible for windows and rockbox to both own the drive at the same time?
00.20.46 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: No, that cannot be done
00.20.54 #       <amiconn> The 5002 does have an usb controller, but that is supposedly USB1.1 only
00.21.06 #       <amiconn> If that's the case, there must be some separate chip
00.21.27 #       <amiconn> Of the current rockbox targets, the only PP5002 target with USB is the 3rd Gen
00.21.38 Join    lockdown1 [0] (n=pink@ip72-197-105-124.sd.sd.cox.net)
00.21.43 #       <lostlogic> well, I hate to break it to us, but I'm listening to music files off of my sansa both in my computer and in my sansa right now
00.21.46 #       <lostlogic> it's kinda trippy actually.
00.21.48 #       <lockdown1> hey
00.21.57 #       <gevaerts> lostlogic: that's the next step. There are reasons that it's not enabled by default now.
00.22.17 #       <lockdown1> i have a question about the firmware
00.22.32 #       <gevaerts> lostlogic: be careful doing that. It can lead to data corruption if both sides try to write.
00.22.32 #       <lostlogic> gevaerts: I just didn't think that what I'm donig was possible... I suppose it's a rather risky thing to do, specially with both connected rw
00.22.41 #       <lostlogic> :)
00.22.43 #       <BigBambi> lockdown1: just ask
00.22.46 #       <lockdown1> okay
00.22.50 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: File systems expect to have exclusive access to a disk (exception being cluster filesystems). Disk access *can* be shared, but *only* if neither side ever writes to the disk
00.23.09 #       <amiconn> Otherwise really nasty things can happen
00.23.32 #       <lockdown1> Say you buy an ipod (not that i would)... there are cables with the proprietary plug that allow you to control the play pause skip functions on the ipod via something else... will that still work with rockbox?
00.23.39 #       <amiconn> gevaerts: Not only if both sides try to write....
00.23.52 #       <BigBambi> lockdown1: not yet, but indications are soon
00.23.54 #       <lostlogic> gevaerts: well the risk of me being stupid and breaking myself is worth the convenience of not booting the superduper slow sansa OF when I want to do transfers.
00.24.08 #       <gevaerts> amiconn: well, depends on how yoy define nasty.
00.24.20 #       <lockdown1> okay. and when that is working, will that same ipod cable working with rockbox, work with rockbox on a creative ZVM?
00.24.31 #       <BigBambi> eh?
00.24.41 Join    tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net)
00.24.54 #       <BigBambi> rockbox doesn't run on the creative ZVM yet
00.24.54 #       <lostlogic> different connectors aren't they?
00.24.57 #       <gevaerts> lostlogic: as long as you don't hold select, there should be no risk. For large transfers you might still prefer the OF, since we don't do high-speed yet
00.25.07 #       <lockdown1> the thing that allows the cable to work with the functions is the firmware right? so will that same firmware work to allow other mp3 players use it
00.25.12 #       <lockdown1> and i know, but it will eventually
00.25.45 #       <BigBambi> Creative doesn't use the apple serial/accessory protocol...
00.25.47 Quit    JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
00.26.00 #       <lostlogic> gevaerts: I hear ya, but on a 2 gig player, the total time for 2 reboots pretty much nullifies that difference
00.26.13 Quit    ol_schoola ()
00.26.34 #       <lockdown1> so rockbox doesn't have to ability to make a creative work with ipod accessories
00.26.53 Join    JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5313689f4fcb436a)
00.27.11 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: What does one have to do with the other?
00.27.35 #       <BigBambi> lockdown1: So you know for sure that the creative accessory port is pin and function identical to the iPod one?
00.28.15 #       <lockdown1> i don't know if the function is the same. but from what information i've gathered, they should be the same
00.28.34 #       <lockdown1> as far as i know it's mainly a matter of programming
00.28.43 #       <BigBambi> If the hardware allows it, I guess it is theoretically possible
00.28.54 #       <BigBambi> lockdown1: We look forward to your patch then
00.29.02 Quit    petur ("Zzzzz")
00.29.11 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: the lost time of 2 reboots must be amortized over the speed increase for high speed vs. full speed
00.29.17 #       <lockdown1> haha, i'm only 19 and still learning programming =] as soon as i learn i'd be more than happy to contribute
00.29.39 #       * amiconn wonders why he is misunderstood so often today :/
00.29.55 #       <lockdown1> but just think of how big a step that would be? That would allow all accessories to be used universally by the same proprietary connection
00.30.02 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: I mean what does not having to reboot have to do with using the dangerous parallel access
00.30.07 #       <BigBambi> Seriously, that has got to be quite high up the list of if you want it you are going to have to try yourself
00.30.13 Join    cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au)
00.30.21 #       <amiconn> If you want to transfer files, you are *not* supposed to hold Select when connecting
00.30.41 #       <BigBambi> lockdown1: I would be surprised to discover that it was possible, but hey
00.30.56 #       <amiconn> Then rockbox will go into UMS mode, showing the USB screen, as already known from all other targets already
00.31.10 #       <lockdown1> well, as soon rockbox is working for ZVM, i'll be doing my research
00.31.30 #       <amiconn> gevaerts: Btw, lostlogic is right though - behaviour of the code when holding Select (sansa) or Menu (ipods) is wrong.
00.32.06 #       * JdGordon|w truly thinks that button combo is stupid
00.32.15 Join    tessarakt2 [0] (n=jens@e180068203.adsl.alicedsl.de)
00.32.19 #       <JdGordon|w> the hold switch should invert the behaviour.. not a button
00.32.24 #       <amiconn> Doing so is supposed to use USB for charging only. In that case, rockbox does not enter the USB screen, and must not expose the UMS interface
00.33.06 #       <JdGordon|w> also, it should splash saying "usb charging" so you know when its safe to unflick the swithc
00.33.15 #       <gevaerts> amiconn: I know. I had a quick look at it, but it seems a bit too intertwined with the whole connection detect logic to fix in a few minutes. Since I plan to tackle that next anyway I left the button as is for now.
00.33.16 Quit    lockdown1 ()
00.33.29 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: (a) that's not really related here (b) not all targets having USB power do have a hold switch (c) <opinion>hold switches are cumbersome </opinion>
00.34.03 #       * JdGordon|w wonders why rockbox reltaed discussion cant happen in #rockbox
00.34.10 #       <JdGordon|w> b) for the targets which have it should be used
00.34.30 #       <amiconn> mmrrfrffrfr
00.34.58 #       <amiconn> (a) was related to the misbehaviour, not to which button should or should not invoke that mode
00.35.17 #       <preglow> misunderstanding_count++;
00.35.45 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: As for the feedback, you should have noticed the battery charging animation starting
00.35.53 #       <preglow> i wouldn't like using hold for that
00.36.00 #       <preglow> i'd like to use hold for as little as possible, as a matter of fact
00.36.04 #       <JdGordon|w> not everyone has the statusbar enabled
00.36.45 #       <amiconn> Other than that, you should be able to safely let go the button as soon as the plugs are plugged
00.36.50 #       <JdGordon|w> my real problem is havbing differnt buttons for each target...
00.36.59 #       <amiconn> If that's too early, it is a bug in rockbox and needs to be fixed
00.37.17 #       <preglow> JdGordon|w: different targets have different button schemes, not much we can do about that
00.37.45 #       <JdGordon|w> we could use hold
00.37.47 #       * amiconn pings Bagder
00.37.56 #       <preglow> not all targets have hold, afaik
00.37.59 #       <preglow> so the problem remains the same
00.38.07 Quit    herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection)
00.38.11 #       <preglow> anyway, we don't use the same button for everything else, why should we suddenly do so here?
00.38.13 #       <JdGordon|w> right, but the ones which do have hold could use it
00.38.29 #       <JdGordon|w> we do try to have consistancy across tagrtes
00.38.38 #       * JdGordon|w glares at Llorean's e200 keymap commit
00.38.38 #       <amiconn> Yes. 4 targets with USB power have no Hold switch (FM recorder, recorder V2, Ondio FM and SP)
00.38.53 #       <JdGordon|w> and about 9 do have it
00.39.15 #       <gevaerts> There is another related issue. We will probably have usb-serial logf soon. How do you tell the system to use that but not go in UMS mode ?
00.39.15 #       <preglow> so
00.39.35 #       <preglow> JdGordon|w: so to charge when i connect my usb cable, i should flick hold, plug in, flick hold off?
00.39.50 #       <amiconn> And we can't use the same button on every target for every function anyway. There are simply too many variations in button count, layout, naming etc
00.40.07 #       * gevaerts sees a compromise : implement enough usb device classes so that there is a button for each
00.40.53 #       <amiconn> gevaerts: Activate it in the debug menu beforehand
00.41.02 #       <amiconn> It's a debug feature after all
00.41.08 #       <amiconn> Screendump works similar
00.41.22 #       <gevaerts> That's true.
00.41.25 #       <amiconn> That reminds me - I didn't test whether screendump still works
00.41.49 #       <pixelma> JdGordon: afaik this commit was not "use the same button as on other targets" but "if target A uses one button to access X and Y, this accessing X and Y should also be on one button on some other target"...
00.41.55 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00.42.09 Quit    jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.)
00.42.15 Join    jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS)
00.42.26 #       <amiconn> Eeek
00.43.05 #       <amiconn> The screendump itself does work, but it also still exposes the UMS interface. Rather dangerous, because rockbox is writing *while* UMS is being mounted
00.43.16 #       <gevaerts> ouch...
00.43.43 #       <pixelma> JdGordon: ...if appropriate and not unintuitive
00.44.13 #       * gevaerts will make fixing that a priority. Not today anymore though
00.44.21 #       <amiconn> That rule doesn't even hold for older targets...
00.45.06 #       <amiconn> On all Archoses, the same button is used for switching from WPS to browser and back (ON on player and recorders, MODE on Ondios)
00.45.27 #       <amiconn> But on irivers, WPS->Browser is SELECT, and Browser->WPS is PLAY
00.45.57 #       <amiconn> (coldfire irivers to be precise)
00.47.40 Quit    moos ("Good night all")
00.49.10 Quit    tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00.53.10 Join    csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc)
00.53.57 Join    spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
00.56.23 Quit    ender` (" And the Lord said unto John: Come forth and receive eternal life. But John came fifth and won a toaster.")
00.58.11 #       * gevaerts is going to sleep
00.58.16 Quit    gevaerts ("ZZzz..")
00.59.52 Join    Nic0_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net)
01.01.31 Quit    nicktastic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
01.01.45 Quit    amiconn (Nick collision from services.)
01.01.51 Join    amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
01.02.59 Quit    Nico_P (Nick collision from services.)
01.03.03 Nick    Nic0_P is now known as Nico_P (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net)
01.03.52 Quit    Nico_P (Remote closed the connection)
01.12.49 Quit    gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]")
01.13.46 Quit    spiorf (Remote closed the connection)
01.17.34 Join    Evilnick [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-215-64.nyc.res.rr.com)
01.21.08 Quit    conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01.24.13 Join    toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-224-126.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net)
01.29.01 Join    Rincewind [0] (i=KQla6rvh@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de)
01.30.10 Quit    indigo_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
01.30.29 Quit    defukt ()
01.31.23 Quit    JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
01.36.19 Quit    Rincewind ("bye")
01.37.17 Join    w00tah [0] (n=4452b77b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-95b4088dc5243f51)
01.37.24 #       <w00tah> yo where can i get rockboy?
01.37.36 #       <scorche|sh> with rockbox
01.37.43 #       <w00tah> its included?
01.37.46 #       <scorche|sh> yes
01.37.49 #       <w00tah> okay cool
01.37.58 #       <w00tah> .gbc is the file, right?
01.38.04 #       * stripwax tries to catch up via the logs
01.38.04 #       <scorche|sh> or .gb
01.39.25 Join    hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs)
01.40.33 #       <stripwax> gevaerts - awesome progress on usb+serial!
01.41.07 #       <stripwax> and it looks like there's work on the ipod native serial interface too? cool
01.41.33 #       <scorche|sh> exciting times for portalplayer folk lately
01.42.27 #       <ze> my karma's portalplayer, but there's nothing exciting for me :/
01.42.49 #       <scorche|sh> well, "rockbox" was implicit in there...
01.43.00 #       <ze> indeed
01.44.53 #       <w00tah> how come sometimes my ipod reverts back to the original firmware randomly?
01.45.04 #       <w00tah> it fixes itself when i reset, but i just want to know why it does that
01.45.17 #       <stripwax> w00tah - are you by any chance turning the hold switch on while you're booting it?
01.45.32 #       <stripwax> because that is the switch that tells the rockbox bootloader to load the original firmware..
01.45.55 #       <w00tah> well, I always keep it on hold when its off
01.46.14 #       <w00tah> but i have to turn it off when before i turn it on obviously
01.46.19 #       <stripwax> sure but you need to turn hold off to turn it on (right)
01.46.47 #       <w00tah> yeah
01.46.50 #       <w00tah> thats what im sayin
01.46.58 #       <stripwax> are you turning hold *on* while it is booting?
01.47.04 #       <w00tah> no
01.47.16 #       <stripwax> hm, then it should just load rockbox
01.47.23 #       <w00tah> but i put on hold before it finishes completely shutting off
01.47.47 #       <stripwax> that should be fine
01.47.50 #       <amiconn> It can very well happen if you have hold enabled when returning from usb (diskmode)
01.48.18 #       <w00tah> is it necassary to enter diskmode when you plug it in?
01.48.24 #       <w00tah> cause i just plug it in regardless
01.48.45 #       <stripwax> w00tah - oh, when you plug it in, if it's turned off, it will boot the original firmware. .!
01.48.49 #       <amiconn> Or even: ipod off (hold enabled) -> plug usb -> ipod will turn on, and since the bootloader sees hold enabled, boots into OF
01.49.48 Quit    stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
01.51.59 Quit    asdrubal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01.54.35 Join    asdrubal [0] (n=abc@d47-69-131-13.col.wideopenwest.com)
01.56.59 Join    JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bde772614538690e)
01.58.44 #       <w00tah> do mp4s work with rockbox?
01.58.48 #       <w00tah> like videos
02.00.03 #       <scorche|sh> no
02.00.16 #       <scorche|sh> mpegplayer can read mpeg1 and mpeg2 files
02.03.26 Quit    Rob222241 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
02.03.59 Join    Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0CC65.dip.t-dialin.net)
02.06.35 Join    Echelon [0] (n=SweetOne@sunset.dark-shade.net)
02.12.38 Quit    w00tah ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
02.13.59 Join    Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@host-216-220-115-197.dsl.bway.net)
02.14.47 #       <Davide-NYC> markun: ping
02.15.14 #       <Evilnick> Hey Davide-NYC
02.15.21 #       <Davide-NYC> oi!
02.15.33 #       <Evilnick> Not that I'm markun or anything
02.16.02 #       <Evilnick> Did you get the CF mod working on your H1x0?
02.16.12 #       <Davide-NYC> In a sense, yes.
02.17.05 #       <Evilnick> I saw (through stalking everyone via the IRC logs) that you had partial success but there were problems with part of it. What's the trouble?
02.19.02 #       <pixelma> Davide-NYC: doesn't have to mean anything but it's past 2am here
02.19.11 Join    Pizza|real [0] (i=Pizza@adsl-76-214-163-163.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net)
02.19.23 #       <Pizza|real> hey guys i got question
02.19.55 #       <Davide-NYC> Occaisional freezing, but, I haven't done much testing.
02.20.06 #       <Evilnick> Pizza|real: Fire away
02.20.10 Join    keanu|afk [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu)
02.20.38 #       <Davide-NYC> pixelma: thanks, but you know what kind of hours these crazy hackers keep ;)
02.20.54 #       <Pizza|real> RockBox for Zune is it ever gonna come out? or working on it?
02.21.14 #       <Pizza|real> cuz i am getting tired of zune
02.21.14 #       <scorche|sh> no one is working on it, and it wont happen without someone working on it
02.21.31 #       <Pizza|real> but microsoft is getting games for zune so thats good
02.21.33 #       <Evilnick> Short answer, it's unlikely to happen for a long time
02.21.44 #       <Evilnick> The Gigabeast is very close in terms of hardware
02.21.58 Quit    hcs ("Leaving.")
02.22.03 #       <Pizza|real> damn it
02.22.13 #       <Evilnick> But the security hole has been fixed on the Zune so it's harder to start that port
02.22.19 #       <Pizza|real> microsoft should made zune with linux option
02.22.25 #       <Evilnick> Check the New Ports forum for more info
02.22.30 #       <Davide-NYC> Evilnick: private chat?
02.22.38 #       <Pizza|real> ???
02.23.27 #       <Pizza|real> thats bye
02.23.29 #       <Evilnick> Davide-NYC: I need to register, so gimme a sec
02.23.31 Quit    Pizza|real (Client Quit)
02.25.02 #       <Evilnick> Er... sorry for offtopic, how do I register my irc nick so that I can private chat?
02.25.02 #       <krazykit> :D!
02.25.19 #       <krazykit> i wanted to congratulate gevearts, but he isn't here :/
02.26.37 #       <Davide-NYC> Evilnick: I'm trying to help ya but I can;t remember offhand.
02.27.30 #       <Davide-NYC> type /nickserv help
02.28.13 #       <Evilnick> Got it, thanks
02.29.45 Quit    corevette (Remote closed the connection)
02.33.29 Join    hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs)
02.33.39 Quit    Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]")
02.35.17 Part    pixelma
02.37.17 Join    Jay [0] (i=BlackCha@ool-182cdaac.dyn.optonline.net)
02.38.14 Quit    Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection)
02.41.58 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02.45.16 Join    amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan)
02.49.05 Quit    JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
02.49.27 Quit    fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
02.59.11 Join    ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
02.59.32 Quit    japc (Remote closed the connection)
03.00.12 Quit    csc` ("Powering Off")
03.00.42 Quit    Jay ("Leaving")
03.00.50 Join    jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net)
03.01.28 Join    japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-247-230.dsl.telepac.pt)
03.05.06 #       <fyrestorm> how can i get to test out the new usb stack code?
03.05.42 #       <fyrestorm> do i have to compile my own build or do i have to edit something in a config file?
03.06.39 #       <Evilnick> you have to compile your own build
03.06.54 #       <fyrestorm> ah
03.06.55 #       <Evilnick> having edited something in a config file
03.07.02 #       <fyrestorm> would make my life easy? :D
03.07.07 #       <Evilnick> so yes to both questions
03.07.22 #       <fyrestorm> yeah i dont know how to compile so
03.07.24 #       <fyrestorm> bah
03.07.27 Quit    amiconn (Nick collision from services.)
03.07.29 Join    csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc)
03.07.33 Join    amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
03.13.07 Join    TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@ARennes-251-1-39-201.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr)
03.17.31 #       <lostlogic> new stack not as happy on my ipv as it was on my sansa
03.22.44 Part    hcs
03.27.44 Quit    DerDome (Nick collision from services.)
03.27.45 Join    DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-220-162.pools.arcor-ip.net)
03.27.55 Nick    DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-220-162.pools.arcor-ip.net)
03.30.34 Join    Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@host-216-220-115-197.dsl.bway.net)
03.35.40 Quit    DerDome (Nick collision from services.)
03.35.41 Join    DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-045.pools.arcor-ip.net)
03.35.51 Nick    DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-045.pools.arcor-ip.net)
03.39.18 Nick    fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net)
03.43.51 Quit    BitTorment (Remote closed the connection)
03.44.23 Quit    Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]")
03.48.26 Join    Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com)
03.54.40 Quit    Rob2222 ()
04.01.39 Quit    fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04.07.17 Join    fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com)
04.14.21 Quit    DerDome ("Leaving.")
04.14.56 #       <tedrock> lunar eclipse go look.
04.17.50 Quit    DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04.21.09 Quit    jcollie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04.21.41 Join    jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net)
04.25.36 #       * fyrestorm spanks tedrock
04.26.10 Join    Jay [0] (n=BlackCha@ool-182cdaac.dyn.optonline.net)
04.40.54 Quit    miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04.41.03 Join    miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF42DA.dip.t-dialin.net)
04.42.00 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
04.44.44 Join    Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0C3A5.dip.t-dialin.net)
05.01.05 Join    hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs)
05.06.24 Quit    fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
05.06.58 Join    fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com)
05.25.19 Join    Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@static-71-164-213-195.dllstx.fios.verizon.net)
05.25.52 #       <Nimdae> i just did a svn update and build fails
05.25.53 #       <Nimdae> recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory
05.32.45 #       <TiMiD[FD]> ah ?
05.32.48 #       <TiMiD[FD]> on which target ?
05.32.54 #       <Nimdae> ipodvideo
05.32.55 #       <Nimdae> sorry
05.33.43 #       <Nimdae> i'm doing a complete checkout to see if something broke
05.35.35 #       <TiMiD[FD]> I just built it yesterday and it was successful
05.35.43 #       <TiMiD[FD]> make a full make clean
05.35.52 #       <Nimdae> it was completely clean
05.36.27 #       <Nimdae> i just did a build a few days ago, so not sure what's up
05.37.24 #       <TiMiD[FD]> I try
05.37.28 #       <Nimdae> my build box is a bit on the slow side, so it'll take a few to get results
05.37.35 Quit    csc` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
05.37.42 #       <scorche|sh> svn revert -R ?
05.37.57 #       <krazykit> -R .
05.38.04 #       <krazykit> don't forget the period!
05.39.36 #       <scorche|sh> well, i usually just am in the folder above and use the folder itself, so /shrug :)
05.40.04 Quit    Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris")
05.40.10 #       <Nimdae> yeah, full checkout has the same result
05.40.52 #       <Nimdae> http://pastebin.com/m72a9dd2d
05.40.56 #       <Nimdae> that's the full error
05.41.42 #       <TiMiD[FD]> I don't get any error oO
05.41.48 #       <Nimdae> weird
05.42.04 #       <Nimdae> has there been a need for a change in build environment?
05.42.41 #       <TiMiD[FD]> I don't think so
05.43.55 #       <Nimdae> lemme try without the -j2
05.44.28 #       <Nimdae> shouldn't make a difference
05.44.32 #       <TiMiD[FD]> ah could be that
05.44.47 #       <TiMiD[FD]> there is a bug with that
05.44.58 #       <Nimdae> it'd be the first time i hit it
05.45.02 #       <TiMiD[FD]> the makefile's dependancies are not very well defined
05.45.10 #       <TiMiD[FD]> check the tracker there is a patch for that
05.45.35 #       <Nimdae> well, that poses a problem for multi-core systems ;)
05.46.24 #       <TiMiD[FD]> try to apply the patch
05.46.36 #       <Nimdae> sec, i wanna get a good build first
05.49.05 #       <Nimdae> it seems taking off -j2 gets me further, at least
05.50.45 Join    alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
05.55.51 #       <TiMiD[FD]> compiled ?
05.58.20 #       <Nimdae> yeah, running make zip now
05.58.42 #       <Nimdae> patch in the tracker, eh...
06.12.29 Join    kperri [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0a5bcd38ee737bbe)
06.13.03 Quit    perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
06.14.40 Quit    Jay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
06.15.59 #       <TiMiD[FD]> Nimdae: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8619
06.23.41 Nick    kperri is now known as perrikwp (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0a5bcd38ee737bbe)
06.29.06 Part    toffe82
06.30.30 Quit    Bjoern-Erik (Connection timed out)
06.42.02 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
07.08.37 Join    mud-rb [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.9.190.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net)
07.31.49 Quit    hcs (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.31.49 NSplit  zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
07.31.49 Quit    jcollie (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.31.49 Quit    amigan (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.31.49 Quit    cool_walking_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.31.49 Quit    midgey (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.31.49 Quit    Seedy (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.31.49 Quit    dan_a (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
07.32.16 Join    Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net)
07.32.16 NHeal   zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
07.32.16 NJoin   hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs)
07.32.16 NJoin   jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net)
07.32.16 NJoin   amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan)
07.32.16 NJoin   cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au)
07.32.16 NJoin   midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu)
07.32.16 NJoin   Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net)
07.32.16 NJoin   dan_a [0] (n=dan@217.23.173.156)
07.40.50 Join    Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP)
07.49.46 Quit    Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
07.50.11 Nick    JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
07.51.32 Quit    Nico_P (Remote closed the connection)
07.54.59 Join    LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
08.03.21 Join    mud-rb_ [0] (n=mud@dialup-4.156.222.106.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net)
08.04.35 Quit    anakiicom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.04.42 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Did you see that linuxstb's build server has a problem?
08.04.53 #       <LinusN> no
08.05.13 #       <LinusN> wow
08.05.31 #       <amiconn> It should probably be disabled for now
08.05.35 Join    Llorea1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@70.255.104.121)
08.05.57 #       <LinusN> done
08.06.03 #       <amiconn> Yeah, problem is that a build failing this way is incredibly fast, so that same server gets scheduled many builds...
08.06.22 #       <LinusN> hehe, yes
08.07.20 #       <amiconn> A manual build round shouldn't be necessary this time, as the change I committed which triggered the failed builds has no influence on binaries
08.07.33 #       <LinusN> good
08.08.20 Quit    japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.11.56 Join    azdrubal [0] (n=abc@cpe-76-190-216-97.neo.res.rr.com)
08.12.33 Quit    asdrubal (Nick collision from services.)
08.12.42 Nick    azdrubal is now known as asdrubal (n=abc@unaffiliated/asdrubal)
08.18.52 Quit    Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.20.06 Quit    Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
08.20.47 Join    hamdiya [0] (i=c3e5ecd8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3b1b5a907033488c)
08.23.11 Quit    mud-rb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.24.18 Join    pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife)
08.25.08 Quit    BigBambi (Remote closed the connection)
08.26.08 #       <hamdiya> hello
08.26.12 #       <hamdiya> need some help please
08.28.13 Join    ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673)
08.28.31 Join    spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
08.29.45 #       <TiMiD[FD]> hamdiya: a problem ?
08.30.13 #       <hamdiya> hey
08.30.24 #       <hamdiya> im trying to make my first wps
08.30.38 #       <hamdiya> and want to include a custom progress bar
08.30.52 #       <TiMiD[FD]> ah ...
08.31.01 #       <hamdiya> im just having some probs with the coding
08.31.12 #       <hamdiya> 'logically' it looks right
08.31.19 #       <hamdiya> but its not functioning as i want it too
08.31.22 #       <TiMiD[FD]> I never did any wps
08.31.32 #       <hamdiya> ow
08.31.46 #       <hamdiya> are you familiar with the syntax anyway?
08.31.55 #       <TiMiD[FD]> not really
08.32.09 #       <TiMiD[FD]> spit it out anyway
08.32.21 Quit    mud-rb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.32.30 #       <hamdiya> where's this "pastebin" someone told me about it yesterday?
08.33.57 #       <LinusN> you could have found it by googling for "pastebin"
08.34.09 #       <LinusN> pastebin.ca for example
08.34.40 #       <hamdiya> oh, i thought it was something specific to rockbox
08.34.43 #       <hamdiya> first time i hear of it
08.34.47 #       <LinusN> aha
08.34.49 Join    Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B0DB22.dip.t-dialin.net)
08.35.41 #       <hamdiya> http://pastebin.com/d123570ed
08.35.51 #       <hamdiya> pastebin.ca didnt load with me
08.36.33 Join    conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-151-031.pools.arcor-ip.net)
08.38.26 Join    [1]Falafel [0] (n=Falafel@221pc220.sshunet.nl)
08.38.34 #       <hamdiya> with that code
08.38.48 #       <hamdiya> the image only moves at increments of 10 or the percentage played
08.38.56 #       <hamdiya> while it should move at increments of 1
08.38.59 #       <LinusN> there are easier ways to implement a bitmap progress bar
08.39.13 #       <hamdiya> do tell!
08.39.22 #       <hamdiya> :)
08.39.22 #       <LinusN> read about the %P tag here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Images
08.40.09 #       <LinusN> you draw one image with the entire bar, and then rockbox displays a portion of it
08.40.25 #       <hamdiya> so i could load a small picture and it will move accross the screan?
08.40.33 #       <LinusN> no, it will not move
08.40.45 #       <hamdiya> i actually had a different idea in mind
08.40.52 #       <hamdiya> the progress bar has like a slider
08.40.54 #       <LinusN> if you want a moving image you have to use the conditional approach
08.40.59 #       <hamdiya> i only want the slider to move
08.41.14 Join    BenniBoya [0] (n=Rofl@dsl-58-6-93-62.act.westnet.com.au)
08.41.55 #       <LinusN> then you have to do it like you did first
08.42.02 #       <LinusN> but maybe with a lot more images
08.42.05 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
08.42.08 #       <LinusN> to make it look smooth
08.42.11 #       <hamdiya> except it's not woring
08.42.19 #       <hamdiya> working*
08.43.04 #       <BenniBoya> hey, is any one experienced in dual booting luinux, could you hwelp me in community?
08.43.31 #       <LinusN> hamdiya: well, you have placed images d to j on the same coordinates
08.44.00 #       <hamdiya> i actually made a typo there
08.44.04 #       <hamdiya> if you refresh
08.44.07 #       <hamdiya> i've updated that
08.44.22 #       <LinusN> looks the same to me
08.44.36 #       <hamdiya> http://pastebin.com/d1bfbbcea
08.44.48 #       <LinusN> ah now i see
08.44.50 #       <hamdiya> could this be because im using the simulator?
08.44.58 #       <LinusN> don't think so
08.45.09 #       <LinusN> what exactly is not working btw
08.45.20 Nick    Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@70.255.104.121)
08.45.34 #       <hamdiya> it does work, but not the way it is supposed to
08.45.40 #       <hamdiya> the image only moves at increments of 10 or the percentage played
08.45.46 #       <hamdiya> while it should move at increments of 1
08.45.59 #       <hamdiya> maybe i'm getting the conditional stat wrong
08.46.28 #       <LinusN> you have 10 images, so it will change image every 10%
08.46.52 #       <LinusN> if you have 100 images, it will change every 1%
08.47.08 #       <hamdiya> i forgot to mention this is not final
08.47.13 #       <hamdiya> im just testing with 10 images now
08.47.16 #       <hamdiya> also
08.47.22 #       <hamdiya> ive tried also just 4 images
08.47.25 #       <hamdiya> and the restuls are the same
08.47.32 #       <hamdiya> besides
08.47.37 #       <hamdiya> it shouldn't matter
08.48.44 #       <LinusN> if you have 4 images, it should change image every 25%
08.49.56 #       <hamdiya> i think i see what you mean
08.50.01 #       <hamdiya> this isthe conditional
08.50.02 #       <hamdiya> %?px<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde|%xdf|%xdg|%xdh|%xdi|%xdj>
08.50.07 #       <hamdiya> since there are 10 options
08.50.28 #       <hamdiya> each will be executed at every increment of 10 devided by 100
08.50.34 #       <LinusN> exactly
08.50.45 #       <hamdiya> what i thought was
08.50.54 #       <hamdiya> px will return values from 1 to 100
08.50.59 #       <hamdiya> (0-99?)
08.51.12 #       <LinusN> 0 to 100 iirc
08.51.26 #       <hamdiya> iirc?
08.51.34 #       <LinusN> if i recall correctly
08.52.08 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk
08.52.25 #       <hamdiya> :D roger that!
08.52.47 #       <hamdiya> i guess im limited to max of 52 chars
08.53.03 Quit    Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.53.26 #       <LinusN> unfortunately
08.53.59 #       <hamdiya> is there an easy way to overcome this
08.54.00 #       <hamdiya> ?
08.54.08 #       <hamdiya> play with the rockbox f/w?
08.54.42 Quit    Falafel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08.54.42 Nick    [1]Falafel is now known as Falafel (n=Falafel@221pc220.sshunet.nl)
08.59.27 Quit    cool_walking_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
08.59.34 Join    petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
09.01.53 #       <hamdiya> is there any way around that limitation?
09.02.22 #       <LinusN> there is a patch in the tracker that attempts to solve this
09.02.42 #       <hamdiya> was it successful?
09.03.02 #       <LinusN> i don't know
09.03.03 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7289
09.04.16 Nick    BenniBoya is now known as bEnN (n=Rofl@dsl-58-6-93-62.act.westnet.com.au)
09.06.08 Quit    spiorf (Remote closed the connection)
09.06.28 #       <JamPS> Good morning
09.07.03 #       <JamPS> I just updated my rockbox and now my sansa shows this nice usb icon and freezes when I plug in the cable(yesterday it just went black)
09.08.48 #       <LinusN> JamPS: there is a problem with the reboot functionality on the sansas
09.12.46 #       <JamPS> sherlock :) how did that happen(again)?
09.12.56 #       <hamdiya> quesion
09.13.09 #       <hamdiya> are the current builds based on the SVN?
09.13.47 #       <GodEater> hamdiya: the current build is always what's in SVN
09.14.03 #       <hamdiya> so in essence, i already have the patch?
09.14.07 #       <hamdiya> for the  512 bitmaps
09.14.14 #       <GodEater> no...
09.14.23 #       <GodEater> if it's a patch, it's by definition not in svn
09.15.03 #       <hamdiya> the guy who made the path wrote: "Sync'd to r14667"
09.15.29 #       <GodEater> that means it applies cleanly to svn revision 14667
09.15.37 #       <GodEater> not that it's IN svn revision 14667
09.15.46 #       <hamdiya> ow
09.43.41 Join    homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net)
09.50.05 Quit    bEnN ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b3/2008020514]")
09.52.44 Join    My_Sic [0] (n=3ea13b0f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-17be7de6841cd1c2)
09.53.15 #       <hamdiya> hey
09.53.26 #       <hamdiya> anyone familar with the %pb syntax
09.53.39 #       <hamdiya> i've made a progress bar but cannot position it correctly
09.53.40 Quit    TiMiD[FD] ("leaving")
09.54.58 #       <LinusN> what is the problem?
09.55.31 Quit    Zom (Remote closed the connection)
09.55.42 Join    Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se)
09.55.44 #       <hamdiya> i cannot understand the parameters
09.55.56 #       <hamdiya> you can set the height, position (both x and y) and width of the progressbar (in pixels): %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos|
09.56.02 #       <hamdiya> when i do that
09.56.18 #       <hamdiya> it looks shorter
09.56.33 #       <hamdiya> even when the song is at the end
09.57.20 #       <hamdiya> ohh
09.57.40 #       <hamdiya> the x position should be added to the width desired
09.57.52 #       <hamdiya> that wasn't mentioned
09.58.00 #       <LinusN> the rightpos is a *position* not a width
09.58.33 #       <hamdiya> "and width of the progressbar"
09.58.52 #       <LinusN> i really don't understand why it is like that
09.59.11 #       <hamdiya> it's misleading
09.59.22 #       <LinusN> makes no sense to have a height but not a width
09.59.32 #       <hamdiya> exactly!
09.59.37 #       <LinusN> i guess it is for historical reasons
10.01.03 #       <hamdiya> it should be %pb|height|x|width+|y|
10.01.35 #       <LinusN> even better: %pb|x|y|width|height|
10.02.00 #       <hamdiya> :)
10.02.20 #       <hamdiya> kinda late to change it now
10.02.21 #       <LinusN> but if we change it now, all existing wps'es will break... :.-(
10.02.26 #       <hamdiya> :P
10.02.51 #       <hamdiya> perhaps a new tag
10.02.54 #       <hamdiya> untill people get used ot i
10.02.56 #       <hamdiya> to it*
10.02.59 #       <LinusN> not that i care *that* much, as long as the "official* wps's are changed
10.03.23 #       <LinusN> we have made incompatible changes before
10.04.00 #       <LinusN> but let's leave it as it is until we need to do more changes
10.04.14 #       <My_Sic> a little question, does anyone is working on the serial I/O of the ipod ?
10.04.20 #       <hamdiya> i'm surprised there's no official rockbox for ipods
10.05.10 #       <hamdiya> My_Sic: i have an ipod color and the griffin itrip works good on it, dunno though if it makes any use of the data pins on the serial port
10.05.18 Quit    parafin (Remote closed the connection)
10.05.35 #       <petur> with better powermanagement and (soon) USB, I think we should consider another release. Maybe a tracker cleanup week first...
10.06.05 #       <My_Sic> hamdiya: i have a simple remote and it doesn't works
10.06.37 #       <hamdiya> a remote will make use of the data pins
10.06.45 #       * petur meant: another try at a release
10.07.05 #       <LinusN> My_Sic: i have it working
10.07.13 #       <hamdiya> the fm transmitter only needs the audio output and i think only power from the serial port
10.07.13 #       <My_Sic> hum
10.07.19 #       <My_Sic> in an dayli build ?
10.07.30 #       <LinusN> My_Sic: as a patch on my ipod video
10.07.40 #       <LinusN> and it only implements the Mode 2 remote commands
10.07.46 #       <My_Sic> which patch ?
10.07.53 #       <LinusN> on my hard drive :-)
10.08.19 #       <petur> LinusN: fyi, gevaerts needs to be added to the svn login <-> name translation table
10.08.26 #       <LinusN> My_Sic: what type of ipod do you have?
10.08.28 #       <My_Sic> if i want to use my remote, could I ? if yes how ?
10.08.35 #       <LinusN> petur: i have done that now
10.08.40 #       <My_Sic> 60go
10.08.44 #       <My_Sic> the 5G
10.09.13 #       <petur> LinusN: oh right, it needs a new page generation first...
10.09.16 #       <LinusN> My_Sic: hang on
10.09.42 #       <My_Sic> hang on !?!?!?!
10.10.24 #       <petur> better to hang on than to fall off
10.10.40 Join    pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
10.12.35 #       <My_Sic> LinusN: i don't understand. It's working on your ipod video, why can i don't do like you ?
10.13.21 #       <LinusN> My_Sic: because i hadn't published the patch
10.13.28 #       <My_Sic> ok
10.13.36 #       <LinusN> now i have (hence the "hang on")
10.13.39 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624
10.13.49 #       <My_Sic> yeehhaaa
10.14.09 #       <My_Sic> so i will install a new rocbox compiling environment tonight in order to try it
10.14.21 #       <LinusN> wanna try a binary?
10.14.24 Join    freqmod__nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no)
10.14.46 #       <My_Sic> yep
10.14.51 #       <LinusN> hang on :-)
10.17.18 Join    parafin [0] (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru)
10.20.35 Join    CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de)
10.25.00 #       <LinusN> My_Sic: http://linus.haxx.se/rockbox-serialtest.zip
10.25.13 #       <My_Sic> thinks
10.25.57 #       <LinusN> the keymap is very basic, so it only works in the wps
10.28.09 Join    Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-71-236-163-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
10.28.49 #       <markun> LinusN: do you think someone from ipodlinux is interested or is the project pretty much halted?
10.29.45 #       * amiconn thinks ipl development has halten moths ago at least
10.29.49 #       <amiconn> *halted
10.30.16 #       <markun> on the homepage: Recent SVN Activity: halted
10.30.17 #       <petur> *months
10.30.21 #       <markun> eh, Disabled.
10.31.06 #       <amiconn> Seems it's too early for me to type correctly :\
10.31.58 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.32.14 #       <markun> amiconn: yes, better to go back to sleep :)
10.34.20 #       <markun> I completely disassembled the Meizu M6 firmware with ida pro last night. Could be useful for a iriver clix port as well.
10.37.52 Quit    jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.)
10.37.58 Join    jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS)
10.38.42 #       <petur> do they still make the clix?
10.40.59 #       <markun> don't know. iriver came up with 7 new players a few months ago so maybe they just work on those now.
10.42.06 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
10.43.09 Join    moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr)
10.46.12 #       <JamPS> who is working with portalplayer usb support?
10.46.46 #       <markun> gevaerts is
10.49.42 #       <markun> JamPS: which player do you have?
10.50.14 Quit    tessarakt2 ("Client exiting")
10.51.14 #       <JamPS> markun, sansa e280
10.52.43 #       <JamPS> I would like to work on that if I could be of help
10.55.41 #       <markun> best to wait for him to come online to ask him what needs to be done
11.00.52 Join    gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@drw171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
11.02.48 Quit    parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish")
11.02.49 #       <petur> I think the problem left now is getting high speed working
11.03.02 Join    parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in)
11.04.42 #       <GodEater> which he thinks needs a reverse engineer of the OF
11.04.55 #       <GodEater> because everything *should* work for high speed now
11.05.18 #       <GodEater> so there's a gap between what we've been told works with the PP USB device, and what actually works
11.10.20 Quit    gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]")
11.10.55 Quit    moos ("bbl")
11.11.49 #       <pondlife> Was the plan to enable (full-speed) USB in the meantime?  Or is that not stable enough?
11.12.02 #       <pondlife> I mean, in SVN
11.12.40 #       <GodEater> doesn't look like it
11.12.51 #       <GodEater> since his commit specifically mentions you need the #def
11.13.20 #       <pondlife> Last time I checked the logs the main remaining issue was that it was possible to end up in a state where both Rockbox and the USB code could write to the disk.
11.13.34 #       <GodEater> really ?
11.13.38 #       <amiconn> It works quite well at full speed, but has same dangerous bugs. See last night's logs
11.14.01 #       <amiconn> Yes, there are 2 such possibilities
11.14.02 #       <pondlife> So, before high-speed, those bugs should be ironed out and full-speed enabled
11.14.23 #       <GodEater> perhaps
11.14.38 #       <pondlife> We might be waiting a long time for high-speed...
11.15.23 #       <GodEater> personally, if we don't get high-speed, I'm not going to use this
11.15.36 #       <pondlife> You still have the choice to use the OF
11.15.46 #       <GodEater> the emergency disk mode on the ipod is bad enough
11.15.53 #       <GodEater> I dont' want still slower access
11.16.16 #       <pondlife> Isn't EDM also full-speed?
11.16.21 #       <GodEater> no
11.16.23 #       <GodEater> it's high speed
11.16.27 #       <GodEater> but it's still sucky
11.16.43 #       <GodEater> if you want proper high speed performance you have to use the OF proper
11.16.47 #       <amiconn> GodEater: I think you should perform a comparison test
11.17.02 #       <GodEater> between EDM and RB ?
11.17.07 #       <amiconn> yes
11.17.22 #       <amiconn> I'd expect rockbox' fullspeed to be faster than edm
11.17.38 #       <amiconn> (on G5 and perhaps also Nano)
11.18.03 #       <GodEater> wow
11.18.28 #       <amiconn> On ipods where edm has decent speed (e.g. mini G2), rockbox fullspeed is slower, but less so than one might expect from the raw transfer speed difference
11.18.29 Quit    My_Sic ("CGI:IRC")
11.19.47 #       * GodEater wonders if he'd like to try this at risk of losing his spinlock revert patch
11.21.45 #       <GodEater> oh balls
11.21.49 #       <GodEater> that tree got nuked
11.21.49 #       <GodEater> oh well
11.21.59 #       <GodEater> looks like the iPod is back to thoroughly unusable again
11.22.13 Join    gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be)
11.23.45 #       * GodEater wonders if the usb connected screen could display a throughput figure
11.24.20 #       * gevaerts thinks that shouldn't be too hard
11.24.49 #       <GodEater> anyone think it's a good idea ? :)
11.24.57 #       <hamdiya> hey
11.25.03 #       <hamdiya> i have a question about scrolling text
11.25.34 #       <hamdiya> is it possible to have the text that reaches the end of the screen continue from the other end
11.25.49 #       <GodEater> hamdiya: I think that's configurale
11.25.52 #       <LinusN> hamdiya: no, it can't wrap
11.25.59 #       <hamdiya> lol
11.26.03 #       <GodEater> oh really ?
11.26.04 #       <GodEater> hm
11.26.09 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: I think that at least some kind of activity indicator would be useful.
11.26.25 #       <GodEater> gevaerts: yes definitely
11.26.28 #       <LinusN> hamdiya: maybe i misunderstood, i thought you wanted it to continue on the next line
11.26.37 #       <hamdiya> no
11.26.42 #       <hamdiya> umm
11.26.45 #       <GodEater> thank goodness
11.26.52 #       <hamdiya> when the text reaches the end of the screen
11.26.53 #       <GodEater> I thought my rockbox know how was leaking away
11.27.05 #       <hamdiya> i want it to continue from the begining of the line
11.27.32 #       * gevaerts first wants to finish going through the connection logic though, so it's actually safe to use for everyone
11.28.06 #       <amiconn> gevaerts, GodEater: The activity indicator already exists....
11.28.07 Join    Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet24.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
11.28.29 #       <LinusN> hamdiya: instead of scrolling back?
11.28.31 #       <GodEater> amiconn: yes - in the status bar
11.28.35 #       <amiconn> exactly
11.28.39 #       <hamdiya> http://www.ukauctionhelp.co.uk/marquee.php
11.28.44 #       <hamdiya> something lke that
11.28.46 #       <GodEater> I'd still like to see a throughput figure though
11.28.50 #       <hamdiya> i want it to be like #1
11.28.56 #       <GodEater> hamdiya: that's user configurable
11.29.05 #       <hamdiya> any idea how?
11.29.14 #       <hamdiya> i just know that you can use %s to scroll
11.29.20 #       <hamdiya> but how do you configure it
11.29.23 #       <LinusN> you can change the Bidirectional Scrolling Limit
11.29.25 #       <GodEater> you can't control it in the WPS
11.29.33 #       <hamdiya> dam
11.29.35 #       <GodEater> the text will scroll however the user likes it
11.29.40 #       <GodEater> you have no say in it
11.29.48 #       <hamdiya> bumer
11.29.57 #       <LinusN> that's the point of user settings
11.30.09 #       <GodEater> indeed
11.30.20 #       <markun> but you could change the scroll settings with the .cfg file of your theme :)
11.30.22 #       * GodEater doesn't want some WPS-Nazi telling him how his text should scroll!
11.30.25 #       <hamdiya> itll be nice though if the user can select to use his/her settings or the ones that coem with the wps
11.30.32 #       <GodEater> markun: sssh!
11.30.45 #       <hamdiya> rofl!
11.31.03 #       <hamdiya> right now im just working on an wps
11.31.03 #       <hamdiya> a*
11.31.06 #       <GodEater> I think that would suck to be honest
11.31.15 #       <hamdiya> but ill keep that thought for the future
11.31.23 #       <GodEater> WPS authors could start doing all sorts of weird things to your config if they start shipping "their" settings to the end user
11.31.51 #       <hamdiya> lol
11.31.59 #       <hamdiya> not like you can screw up the target with a cfg file
11.32.04 #       <hamdiya> right?
11.32.23 #       <GodEater> you could do all sorts of bad things
11.32.45 #       <GodEater> foreground and background colours set to the same leaps to mind
11.33.14 #       <LinusN> generally, the user should be in charge
11.33.32 #       <GodEater> yep
11.33.37 #       <hamdiya> good point
11.33.53 #       <hamdiya> another qustion plz
11.33.59 #       * GodEater appears to have fallen foul of Godwin's law and apologises
11.34.14 #       <hamdiya> is it possible to put two peices of text in the same line and only have one of them scroll
11.34.30 #       <GodEater> hamdiya: not without viewports I think
11.34.30 #       <LinusN> not yet
11.35.16 Join    Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net)
11.36.30 #       <hamdiya> okey :)
11.38.19 #       <gevaerts> amiconn: (referring back to last night) I think I will actually change the configuration descriptor sending to use a separate transfer buffer. If we want to be connected without exposing UMS or serial, we will need to build up the total descriptor at runtime.
11.38.42 Join    [1]Falafel [0] (n=Falafel@221pc220.sshunet.nl)
11.39.26 #       <LinusN> gevaerts: that sounds like the best thing to do
11.40.29 #       <gevaerts> It will also make other device classes easier in the future (should we want them)
11.41.51 #       <LinusN> gevaerts: yes
11.43.56 #       <hamdiya> i think i found a way
11.44.05 #       <hamdiya> if you put alot of spaces after the text
11.44.24 #       <hamdiya> it'll continue from the beginning of the line
11.45.18 #       <amiconn> It might, but you can't be sure
11.45.30 #       <hamdiya> its doing that with me
11.45.31 #       <hamdiya> :)
11.46.02 #       <amiconn> It depends on what bidirectional scroll limit the user selected
11.47.04 #       <hamdiya> it seems to "visually" override the user settings
11.47.13 #       <hamdiya> you just need to leave alot of spaces
11.47.14 #       <amiconn> And if it doesn't wrap around, the effect will be rather nasty (text temporarily vanishing completely)
11.47.20 #       <hamdiya> about 30
11.47.40 #       <LinusN> hamdiya: don't attempt to solve it that way
11.47.42 #       <hamdiya> just enough to fit the screen
11.47.59 #       <hamdiya> howcome?
11.48.11 #       <LinusN> hamdiya: that depends on what the user has set the "Bidirectional Scroll Limit" setting to
11.49.00 #       <LinusN> he could even have set it to 200% because he *wants* bidirectional scrolling
11.49.35 #       <hamdiya> hmm
11.49.41 #       <GodEater> well - with the latest USB code, I can't actually mount my ipod's disk
11.49.46 #       <hamdiya> well, if it works, whats the harm in that?
11.50.42 #       <amiconn> hamdiya: Just try it, and you'll see
11.50.52 #       <hamdiya> i am :)
11.51.16 #       <amiconn> Did you try setting bidirectional scroll limit to maximum?
11.51.21 #       <hamdiya> ok, sry, i see what you mean
11.51.25 #       <hamdiya> yeah
11.51.33 #       <hamdiya> n00b here
11.52.09 #       <GodEater> gevaerts: I'm just getting device resets in my dmesg output with the latest usb svn code
11.52.18 #       <GodEater> has anyone else tested it on 5.5G ?
11.53.50 #       <hamdiya> is there an option to position text anywhere on the screen, just like images?
11.55.00 #       <GodEater> hamdiya: no
11.55.04 #       <GodEater> not until viewports are done
11.55.19 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: what was it doing ? (just connected, copying lots of files, ...)
11.55.50 #       <GodEater> just connected
11.55.53 #       <GodEater> I couldn't even mount it
11.56.03 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: also, do you have other usb devices on the same bus ?
11.56.17 #       <GodEater> only a bluetooth adaptor
11.56.29 Quit    Falafel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
11.56.29 Nick    [1]Falafel is now known as Falafel (n=Falafel@221pc220.sshunet.nl)
11.56.30 #       <GodEater> oh no - mouse and keyb too ;)
11.57.31 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: so I probably can't ask to try and unplugging them... I'm asking because desowin had lots of problems a few days ago, which were solved by replugging all his usb stuff
11.57.48 Quit    Seed ("cu, Andre")
11.58.00 #       <GodEater> I can try
11.58.14 Join    Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net)
11.58.33 #       <hamdiya> any eta on viewports? seems to be very cool
11.59.16 #       <GodEater> ok
11.59.21 #       <GodEater> everything plugged and replugged
11.59.24 #       <GodEater> will try again
12.00.45 #       * GodEater waits for dircache to finish killing the disk
12.00.49 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: if it still doesn't work, can you enable logf for usb_storage.c and send me the results ?
12.01.43 #       <GodEater> hmm - yeah, instant reset after it's read the partition table
12.01.48 #       <GodEater> and can't mount again
12.01.55 #       <GodEater> will do gevaerts
12.04.01 #       <GodEater> building now
12.08.58 #       * GodEater remembers that in order for the #def to take effect, you have to a do a LOGF build.
12.09.01 #       <GodEater> <-- numpty
12.10.25 Join    Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP)
12.16.12 #       <GodEater> ok - I'm definitely wearing my correctional footwear today. After doing the first build without having set it to do a LOGF in the configure script, I then rebuild it having changed that WITHOUT putting -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB in the Makefile
12.16.16 #       <GodEater> so third times the charm
12.18.31 Quit    asdrubal ("Leaving")
12.22.20 Join    n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se)
12.24.40 #       <GodEater> hmm
12.24.44 #       <GodEater> there's not much in the dump
12.25.39 #       <GodEater> http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
12.25.43 #       <GodEater> oops
12.25.53 #       <GodEater> http://pastebin.ca/912421
12.26.12 #       * gevaerts notices that GodEater has a do-it-yourself approach to debug output
12.26.27 #       <GodEater> hehe
12.29.29 #       <gevaerts> Can you try http://pastebin.ca/912424 ?
12.31.31 Join    Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne143.ugent.be)
12.32.42 #       <gevaerts> Actually, forget that. I forgot to read it from bottom to top...
12.32.51 Join    BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk)
12.33.23 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: can you paste the dmesg output ?
12.33.36 Join    FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net)
12.33.40 Quit    XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
12.33.48 #       <GodEater> will do that too
12.33.51 Join    XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr)
12.34.07 #       <GodEater> can't do it right now - I've been getting so much crap in there I just cleared the ringbuffer
12.36.28 #       <GodEater> http://pastebin.ca/912434
12.36.39 #       <GodEater> you'll note there's no reset message there yet
12.36.44 #       <GodEater> but I still can't mount the drive
12.36.49 #       <GodEater> mount claims there's no such device
12.37.10 #       <GodEater> I then start getting : [793092.430560] usb 4-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
12.37.14 #       <GodEater> over and over
12.37.42 #       <GodEater> followed by : [793189.180839] scsi 43:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
12.37.46 #       <GodEater> when I finally pull the plug
12.39.55 #       <GodEater> hmm
12.40.00 #       <GodEater> the filesystem seems broken now
12.40.21 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: the logf output says that it gets read errors from the ata driver. I'm not sure why, but I may have done something wrong with the 2048 byte sector logic somewhere.
12.41.15 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: at least the logf output you posted contains no writes.
12.41.37 #       <GodEater> I'm unable to start any viewers now though
12.41.45 #       <GodEater> they all fail with "unable to open" messages
12.42.09 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
12.42.33 #       <GodEater> I'll do a FS check on windows first
12.42.39 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: ok
12.42.40 #       <GodEater> and then grab the latest logf output
12.47.29 Join    DjLaurenz [0] (n=Lorenzo@host46-247-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
12.47.39 #       <DjLaurenz> hi
12.49.46 #       <DjLaurenz> is there anybody?
12.50.48 Quit    FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
12.50.48 Nick    FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net)
12.51.10 #       * GodEater didn't realise #rockbox was now #seance
12.51.43 #       <pondlife> Wooah
12.51.47 #       <pondlife> The table's floating
12.51.54 #       * GodEater wears a sheet over his head
12.52.20 #       <pondlife> The ouija board says: S...  P..... I...
12.52.27 #       <pondlife> ..N...... L... O.... C....
12.52.31 #       <pondlife> K..S....
12.52.37 #       <pondlife> What can it mean??
12.52.38 #       <GodEater> hahaha
12.53.33 #       <pondlife> Slightly more on-topic, but not much...should we be hosting an EXE with no source or license? (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxAutoManagementUtility)
12.54.32 Join    Chris_Donges [0] (n=chatzill@216.81.233.220.exetel.com.au)
12.55.21 #       <GodEater> gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/912450
12.55.25 #       <GodEater> with your patch
12.55.58 #       <DjLaurenz> hey
12.56.09 #       <DjLaurenz> i want to ask a thing about the development of rockbox
12.56.16 #       <pondlife> Ask away
12.56.30 #       <DjLaurenz> i have a t-logic mp3 player
12.56.32 #       <DjLaurenz> i'm italian
12.56.38 #       <DjLaurenz> tl-255
12.56.48 #       <DjLaurenz> is it possible to install rockbox there?
12.56.54 #       <pondlife> No
12.56.55 #       * gevaerts does the hand and forehead thing
12.57.05 #       <pondlife> Not unless you develop a port to it.
12.57.39 #       <DjLaurenz> i don't know anything about development
12.57.43 #       <DjLaurenz> i'm only a user
12.58.06 #       <DjLaurenz> if it's a simple thing "develop a port to it"
12.58.13 #       <DjLaurenz> and you can explain me
12.58.16 #       <DjLaurenz> i can try
12.58.19 #       <pondlife> It's about the hardest thing to do.
12.58.20 #       <markun> it's difficult
12.58.34 #       * pondlife can't find the wiki page...
12.59.08 #       <GodEater> NewPorts ?
12.59.13 #       <pondlife> Nope
12.59.16 #       <DjLaurenz> mmm...
12.59.18 #       <pondlife> Nor NewPort
12.59.24 #       <GodEater> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
12.59.38 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: fix commited
12.59.46 #       <DjLaurenz> now i go to read
12.59.50 #       <GodEater> gevaerts: what was the problem ?
13.00.31 #       <pondlife> Haha, a wiki search for NewPort doesn't actually find that page.
13.00.51 #       <GodEater> LinusN: your fix for gevaerts' svn name hasn't worked by the way ;)
13.00.52 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: I added a range check to the reads and writes, and it multiplied with the sector-size multiplier twice for that check, so it rejected the read as outside the device
13.00.57 #       <hamdiya> is there a tag separator for wps config files
13.01.02 #       <GodEater> gevaerts: ah ha
13.01.25 #       <gevaerts> That check wasn't there last time you tested
13.02.24 Quit    Chris_Donges ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3/2008020514]")
13.02.27 #       <GodEater> building again
13.04.22 #       <DjLaurenz> when i can try a porting, i'll come back here
13.04.25 #       <DjLaurenz> tnx a lot
13.04.30 #       <DjLaurenz> bye bye
13.04.33 Quit    udoprog ("Lost terminal")
13.04.39 Quit    DjLaurenz ("Leaving.")
13.06.37 #       * gevaerts is off to lunch
13.07.49 #       <GodEater> gevaerts: that's fixed it - thanks :)
13.07.54 #       * GodEater also goes to lunch
13.08.03 #       <hamdiya> before you do
13.08.04 #       <hamdiya> :D
13.08.11 #       <hamdiya> is there a tag separator for wps config files
13.08.24 #       <hamdiya> wps files*
13.09.59 Join    appel22 [0] (n=d4b2414a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2045bce53ec55fa5)
13.10.19 #       <appel22> hi
13.11.00 #       <appel22> I need some help installing rockbox on my ipod 2nd gen (2Gb). Anyone arround who can help ?
13.13.18 #       <dionoea> 2nd gen nano?
13.13.41 #       <appel22> no
13.13.51 #       <dionoea> ah ok, nevermind :)
13.13.57 #       <appel22> :)
13.14.00 #       <appel22> 2nd nano is not supported
13.14.02 #       <dionoea> Did you try using rbutil ?
13.14.06 #       <dionoea> which is why i asked :)
13.14.18 #       <appel22> yes
13.14.18 #       <appel22> yes
13.15.02 #       <appel22> autodetect doesn't work for rbutil
13.15.15 #       <dionoea> Did you try selecting the device manualy?
13.15.24 #       <appel22> and when I select manual it says at <invalid>
13.15.47 #       <appel22> even when trying the bootloader exe I also get the error no device connected
13.16.02 #       <appel22> while on my windows system I can access the ipod as removable disk
13.16.31 #       <dionoea> Did you previously install stuff like ipod linux or mess with the partions on the ipod?
13.16.55 #       <appel22> no. I wouldn;t dare while it still is in warranty :)
13.17.09 #       <appel22> I did insdtall rockbox first (copied it to the root)
13.17.10 Quit    hamdiya ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
13.17.41 #       <dionoea> 2nd generation ipods are still under warranty? /me thought that they were really old
13.17.43 Quit    CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection)
13.17.51 #       <appel22> lol
13.18.06 #       <appel22> wait
13.18.18 #       <appel22> I think I have it for two years now
13.18.29 #       <appel22> but I never did anything on the ipod
13.19.59 #       <appel22> the ipod is in disk mode, which it should be, right
13.20.33 #       <dionoea> Well I can't really help you more than that i guess :/ You could try using the apple ipod restore tool (or whatever it's called) and then run rbutil again. That sometimes fixes it
13.20.55 #       <appel22> hmm, I could try that first
13.21.01 #       <appel22> where can I find it ?
13.21.09 #       <dionoea> apple.com/ipod i guess :)
13.21.14 #       <appel22> hehe. ok
13.21.47 #       <dionoea> or you could wait for someone with experience with the old ipods to show up :)
13.22.13 #       <appel22> it 2nd gen that old ?
13.22.38 #       <dionoea> Well unless we're not talking about the same 2nd gen ... i guess that it is
13.22.50 #       <appel22> I have no idea
13.23.52 #       <dionoea> if you look on http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/five_rs/ , which one do you have?
13.24.46 #       <appel22> checking it right now,
13.25.33 #       <appel22> damn
13.25.37 #       <appel22> you were right from the start
13.25.44 #       <appel22> think its the nano I have
13.25.47 #       <appel22> haha
13.26.13 #       <dionoea> :)
13.26.26 #       <dionoea> well, :(
13.26.30 #       <appel22> crap
13.26.33 #       <dionoea> since you can't run rockbox on it
13.26.42 #       <appel22> duh..
13.27.02 #       <Bagder> no need to cry over that, you can still use it as a door-stopper and plenty other useful things!
13.27.10 #       <dionoea> hehe :p
13.27.11 #       <appel22> my wife has nano 1st gen
13.27.12 Join    DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-045.pools.arcor-ip.net)
13.27.13 #       <appel22> haha
13.27.26 #       <dionoea> nano 1st gen would work
13.27.27 #       <appel22> cool.. I have an ipod nano doorstopper
13.28.01 #       <appel22> 2nd gen support wont come?
13.28.11 #       <Bagder> not very likely, no
13.28.16 #       <appel22> o well
13.28.30 #       <dionoea> nobody figured out how to run code on it yet
13.28.54 #       <GodEater> more to the point, no-one's trying to either
13.29.04 #       <dionoea> ;)
13.29.21 #       <appel22> I'm a software writer but I dont think I can either :p
13.29.33 #       <dionoea> appel22: you could give your wifi your ipod and get her's. She'll be glad to have a new one and you'll have rockbox on yours.
13.29.40 #       <dionoea> s/wifi/wife
13.29.51 #       <appel22> hehe
13.29.58 #       <appel22> I think I will do that
13.32.05 #       <appel22> thanx for the help
13.32.24 #       <appel22> or atleast thanks for dissapointing me. haha
13.32.41 #       <dionoea> you're welcome. We always like bringing bad news
13.34.03 #       <appel22> ^_^
13.36.34 Quit    jcollie ("Ex-Chat")
13.36.53 #       * GodEater thinks that it's apple who have ultimately provided the disappointment
13.37.34 #       <GodEater> I'm just as disappointed we're not likely to ever run on anything later than the 5.5G ipods
13.38.39 #       <amiconn> LinusN: The script still doesn't seem to know gevaerts
13.38.47 #       <GodEater> amiconn: I already said that...
13.39.19 Join    Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
13.39.32 Join    CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de)
13.39.36 Quit    alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
13.39.38 #       <petur> so did I ;)
13.40.24 #       <petur> or not... it _still_ doesn't know him...
13.42.52 #       <petur> I assume the website doesn't use http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/svnlog2html.pl?view=log directly?
13.45.09 #       <pixelma> only the frontpage doesn't know him, the commit overview that's accessed from the build table does
13.46.07 #       <pixelma> and the "since" tables too
13.48.28 #       <fyrestorm> attn gevaerts
13.51.45 Nick    fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net)
13.55.19 #       <Nico_P> GodEater: never say never... look at the ZVM ;)
13.55.57 #       <GodEater> I didnt' say never
13.56.01 #       <GodEater> I said "unlikely" ;)
13.56.57 #       <Nico_P> "not likely to ever" sounded very much like "never" to me, but yeah :)
13.57.14 #       <Nico_P> I admit I don't really believe it will happen either
13.57.33 Join    simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn)
13.57.37 #       <GodEater> certainly won't if no-one works on it :)
13.57.40 #       <Nico_P> petur: no it doesn't. Bagder just put those in SVN for reference
13.58.19 #       <Nico_P> I'm really impressed by the perseverance of the ZVM guys
14.00.48 #       <GodEater> it's what it would take to to get RB on the latter ipods
14.00.53 #       <GodEater> and there's certainly no-one doing it
14.02.31 Quit    appel22 ("CGI:IRC")
14.03.26 #       <Nico_P> maybe someone should donate an ipod classic to mcuelenaere :)
14.04.15 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: I think there's one more bug in that check : it won't reject reads or writes that are just one block too far. That's less urgent though I guess
14.04.50 #       <GodEater> hmm
14.05.00 #       * GodEater is suddenly less keen to use it for writing
14.05.08 Join    Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=Bjoern@172.80-202-111.nextgentel.com)
14.05.37 #       <fyrestorm> ?
14.06.10 #       <gevaerts> GodEater: it's not that bad. The OS won't ask for those blocks anyway...
14.06.58 #       <fyrestorm> gevaerts: id like to test out your usb stack code, but i dont know how to compile XD
14.11.21 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: I'll probably start to provide test builds in a few days. If you really want it now, I could probably provide a build for you. What player do you have ?
14.11.33 #       <fyrestorm> ipod 5th gen 30gb
14.12.11 #       <Nico_P> gevaerts: if it's becoming stable enough you might want to consider enabling by default
14.12.48 Join    hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B163DA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
14.13.03 Quit    simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
14.13.03 Nick    simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn)
14.13.22 #       <LinusN> this reminds me of when i wrote the ATA writing support back in the days
14.13.31 #       <LinusN> or rather the FAT32 write support
14.14.06 #       <LinusN> that's something you don't want to screw up
14.14.48 #       <fyrestorm> please dont break my harddrive <3
14.16.09 #       <gevaerts> Just to check, 5th gen 30gb is Video 32 MB, right ?
14.16.14 #       <fyrestorm> yes
14.16.24 Join    jpt9 [0] (n=jpt9@ninetails-29.dynamic.rpi.edu)
14.16.25 #       <LinusN> gevaerts: yes
14.16.29 #       <jpt9> hey.
14.17.33 #       <jpt9> I'm on Vista and have Cygwin.  I have eSpeak installed (as a SAPI voice); how would I go about creating a new .talk file (with all the menu items) for my Sansa e250R?
14.18.34 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: it won't break the hardware. As far as I know it won't break the filesystem either, but you'll have to be careful not to hold the (select, menu, whatever it is on ipod) button while plugging in. In short, if you don't get the USB connect screen, unplug and try again.
14.18.37 Join    hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B163DA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
14.18.50 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: it's building now
14.18.51 #       <fyrestorm> sure
14.18.54 #       <fyrestorm> word
14.19.05 #       <fyrestorm> i dont press buttons anyway
14.19.11 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Btw, when we are about to enable UMS, the sector 0 write protection in the ata driver has to go imo
14.19.11 #       <fyrestorm> when i plug it in
14.19.22 #       <LinusN> amiconn: absolutely
14.19.41 #       <amiconn> Otherwise it won't be possible to repartition the drive from rockbox usb mode
14.20.17 #       * amiconn got a panic because of that protection in his first try of write speed test
14.20.18 #       <fyrestorm> i have an old ipod 4th gen too, but the hd on it is busted. perhaps i can donate it?
14.24.25 #       <joshin> Does the new rockbox USB stack work with the e2XX series machines?
14.24.58 Join    gregzx [0] (n=gregzx@drw171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
14.26.33 Quit    DerDome ("Leaving.")
14.28.35 #       <GodEater> joshin: yes it does
14.29.09 #       <joshin> Cool.  Who wants to (or can) update the wiki...  :)
14.29.24 #       <GodEater> which wiki page?
14.29.46 #       <gevaerts> joshin: it's not enabled by default yet.
14.30.30 #       <joshin> Aah.  Well considering that the e2xx page says this for USB: "USB handler ALERT! - The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more. "
14.30.50 #       <joshin> Maybe it should be enabled by default for the e2xx
14.31.07 #       <GodEater> it will be when it's ready...
14.31.10 #       * joshin goes to update his repository, enable it, and kick off a build
14.31.23 Quit    Zom ("leaving")
14.31.23 #       <jpt9> oh yeah... is there any progress on getting rockbox to work on the new sansas?
14.31.30 #       <jpt9> (I, luckily, have an old one.)
14.31.31 #       <GodEater> jpt9: no
14.32.22 #       <jpt9> the one thing that sucks after showing people Doom on my Sansa is the fact that Rockbox doesn't work on any brand-new, latest model mp3 players.  I mean, I don't blame you guys -- you're doing this all for free...
14.32.27 #       <jpt9> and it's awesome!
14.32.34 #       <gevaerts> joshin: probably somewhere next week. There's still a few issues left
14.32.57 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/ums/rockbox-ipod5g-ums.zip
14.33.01 #       <fyrestorm> ty
14.33.10 #       <joshin> That's what I get for not paying attention for a few weeks...  :)  Great work!
14.33.36 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: let me know when you have it. I don't really want people to use it without being aware that there's work left.
14.33.39 #       * jpt9 really wants a RockboxPlayer (the hardware you guys are developing) with like a 160GB HD in it :-)
14.33.45 #       <fyrestorm> got it
14.33.45 #       <jpt9> and a trackpoint for navigation...
14.33.49 #       <fyrestorm> you can delete.
14.33.57 Quit    hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
14.33.58 Nick    hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B163DA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
14.34.06 #       <jpt9> no, make that a telepathic user interface.  and a 42-inch plasma screen.  and it needs to cure deadly diseases while I sleep.
14.34.21 #       <fyrestorm> restarting my ipod now
14.34.30 #       <jpt9> (I can't seem to find the Dilbert comic strip that I just ripped off, but I know it's in The Dilbert Principle)
14.35.25 #       <jpt9> oh yeah... is there any way you guys could pull off non-180 degree screen rotation?
14.35.36 #       <LinusN> not easily
14.35.42 #       <jpt9> oh.
14.35.43 #       <jpt9> ok.
14.35.47 #       * jpt9 loves the Flip mode.
14.35.48 #       <GodEater> and for our next trick, world peace.
14.35.58 #       <jpt9> it's much more comfortable to hold my Sansa with the wheel at the top.
14.36.10 #       <jpt9> GodEater: would that be under Games, Apps, or Demos?
14.36.19 #       <GodEater> Miracles
14.36.25 #       <GodEater> it's a new section we're planning
14.36.28 #       <jpt9> lol...
14.36.33 #       <jpt9> hmm...
14.36.53 #       <jpt9> now, if you could just run Rockbox on a iPhone, it would give new meaning to the term "JesusPhone" :-)
14.36.55 #       <GodEater> I'm working on the "Walk on water" plugin
14.37.23 Join    mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200)
14.37.38 #       <GodEater> Rockbox on iPhone is allegedly possible using the jailbreak and SDL
14.37.45 #       <GodEater> no-one's reported trying it though
14.37.57 #       <jpt9> wait... rockbox can run using SDL?!
14.38.04 #       <jpt9> why isn't there a PC port? :-)
14.38.05 #       <GodEater> the simulator can
14.38.07 #       <GodEater> there is
14.38.29 #       <jpt9> well yeah... but I mean rockbox designed *for* a PC... or how about a Nokia Internet Tablet... no wait... an Asus eeePC...
14.38.30 #       <jpt9> :-D
14.38.37 #       <jpt9> you guys kick ass.
14.38.48 #       <GodEater> well - there's the development opportunity for you
14.39.03 #       * GodEater uses the sim regularly to listen to music on his pc
14.39.09 #       <jpt9> do you guys ever do Summer of Code?
14.39.19 #       <GodEater> we did last year
14.39.36 #       <jpt9> cool.
14.39.36 #       <GodEater> there's a wiki page about it
14.40.08 #       <GodEater> wma support was a direct result of last years SoC
14.40.09 #       * petur thinks there will be a google announcement regarding GSoC on monday
14.40.15 #       <GodEater> yay
14.40.16 #       <jpt9> wait... it does wma?!
14.40.19 #       <jpt9> really?
14.40.19 #       <GodEater> do we have projects yet ?
14.40.31 #       <LinusN> jpt9: which planet are you from? :-)
14.40.44 #       <fyrestorm> earf
14.40.48 #       <fyrestorm> eurf
14.40.54 #       <jpt9> i think I might have tried it before and it didn't work...
14.41.04 #       <jpt9> hmm...
14.41.19 #       * jpt9 grabs some audiobooks...
14.41.31 #       <petur> GodEater: "Should we choose to do the program again, we will likely announce all this information on Monday" (gsoc mailinglist)
14.41.52 #       <GodEater> that doesn't sound so promising =/
14.42.08 #       <fyrestorm> whooaaa
14.42.12 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
14.42.58 #       <fyrestorm> haha neat
14.43.15 #       <fyrestorm> toshiba mk3008gal usb device
14.43.49 #       <fyrestorm> successful~
14.44.17 #       <fyrestorm> although before i tried putting my ipod back in
14.44.26 #       <fyrestorm> i started building a database for my music
14.44.31 #       <fyrestorm> was initializing
14.44.35 #       <fyrestorm> and then the ipod shut off
14.44.39 #       * amiconn thinks the sim is too cumbersome to use for regular music listening on a PC
14.44.47 #       <fyrestorm> restarted it, low battery
14.44.50 #       * GodEater doesn't find it so
14.44.56 Quit    Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!")
14.45.00 #       <jpt9> huh... so it does play WMAs...
14.45.06 #       * jpt9 still prefers MP3 or ogg...
14.45.07 #       <fyrestorm> but now it seems like its going back to normal
14.45.14 #       <fyrestorm> OGG and FLAC please :)
14.45.21 #       * jpt9 hasn't really used ogg, but now that he isn't on a Mac, using ogg is much easier.
14.45.25 #       <jpt9> (VLC on Windows).
14.46.04 #       <jpt9> yes, I know, I should run Linux.  I was planning to, but Ubuntu wasn't really in a usable state for use on ThinkPad T61 laptops at the beginning of his freshman year of college.
14.47.52 #       <fyrestorm> gevaerts: very cool
14.49.22 #       <fyrestorm> question: now that im in usb through rockbox, how do i go about updating to a new build?
14.49.26 Quit    XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
14.49.29 #       <GodEater> same way you always do
14.49.34 #       <GodEater> unzip a rockbox.zip to the drive
14.49.36 Join    XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr)
14.49.44 #       <fyrestorm> nothing is in use?
14.49.53 #       <GodEater> it's all in memory
14.50.04 #       <fyrestorm> and when i unplug it from usb?
14.50.10 #       <fyrestorm> just restart?
14.50.14 #       <GodEater> yep
14.50.17 #       <fyrestorm> neat
14.50.27 #       <GodEater> eventually we should get ROLO working
14.50.38 #       <GodEater> it doesn't on the iPod for some reason at the moment
14.50.42 #       <fyrestorm> hey, this is a big step
14.52.33 #       <fyrestorm> oh now i have a recycle bin on my ipod
14.53.07 #       <GodEater> you should be able to change that in the drive properties in windows (iirc)
14.53.24 #       <petur> Recycle Bin properties...
14.53.50 #       <fyrestorm> got it.
14.55.41 #       <fyrestorm> anything i should try out?
14.55.49 #       <GodEater> use it ?
14.55.52 #       <fyrestorm> i am :D
14.55.58 #       <fyrestorm> copying some music over
14.56.20 #       <preglow> GodEater: i think it's meant to not sound promising, the earlier mails did sound promisingm
14.56.34 Join    LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e0fc614391b01d7)
14.56.52 #       <GodEater> preglow: what do you mean? They're downplaying it for no reason ?
14.57.27 #       <preglow> yeah :-)
14.57.31 #       <n1s> GodEater: afaik rolo is working on ipods but not the detection of a new rockbox.ipod file after connecting.
14.57.35 #       * GodEater hopes so
14.57.43 #       <GodEater> n1s: I think it's the other way round
14.57.51 #       <GodEater> it detects the new .ipod, but ROLOing doesn't work
14.57.56 #       <GodEater> at least, that's what happened last time I tried
14.58.23 #       <n1s> hmm, i could swear linuxstb said it worked... /me goes digging through the svn log ;)
14.58.39 #       <GodEater> this was a couple of weeks back
14.58.39 #       <preglow> rolo works
14.58.43 #       <GodEater> he may have fixed it since then
14.58.50 #       <preglow> and has for quite some time
14.59.01 #       <preglow> hasn't usb fixed detection of new rockbox.ipod yet?
14.59.15 #       <preglow> no, it hasn't, i tried it yesterday, that's right
14.59.54 #       <pixelma> I also thought that RoLo works when used with rockbox.ipod but it couldn't load the OF or something
15.00.46 Join    Ramla [0] (n=ramla@c03.keltti.jyu.fi)
15.01.27 #       <fyrestorm> usb mode doesnt notify you on the player if the disk is in use
15.03.15 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: it doesn't show the USB connect screen ?
15.03.24 #       <fyrestorm> it does do that
15.03.36 #       <fyrestorm> but im just comparing it to emergency mode
15.03.41 #       <fyrestorm> like, the disk icon
15.03.46 #       <fyrestorm> on the top right
15.03.55 #       <LambdaCalculus37> fyrestorm: you own an iPod, I assume.
15.04.02 #       <fyrestorm> right
15.04.03 Join    csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc)
15.04.07 #       * gevaerts doesn't have an ipod, but thinks he understands anyway
15.04.30 #       <fyrestorm> when the disk is in use, youll see an animated icon
15.05.00 #       <amiconn> Rockbox also has a disk activity icon. It's just not animated
15.05.05 #       <fyrestorm> right
15.05.45 #       <LambdaCalculus37> But it's there, and you can tell when the disk is being accessed if you see it.
15.06.07 #       <n1s> wasn't there a suggestion about enabling the statusbar in usb screen so that one could see battery status, etc (which would also bring the disk activity icon)
15.06.09 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Even some WPS themes have a disk icon or some kind of indicator that the disk is being accessed.
15.06.24 Quit    Ramla_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15.06.34 Join    alterego [0] (n=death@CPE00012e15cab9-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
15.06.49 Join    Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht)
15.07.50 #       <fyrestorm> my ipod keeps restarting everytime i try to build a database
15.08.17 #       <alterego> do you ever throw anything out that is absolutely valuable and delicious to eat like chicken wings?
15.08.40 #       <LambdaCalculus37> alterego: No, but we do warn people to keep it on-topic in this channel.
15.08.48 #       <fyrestorm> and the battery reports as depleted
15.09.09 #       <LambdaCalculus37> fyrestorm: That's strange. Which iPod do you have?
15.09.14 #       <fyrestorm> 5th gen
15.09.17 #       <gevaerts> I can probably provide data on usb bandwidth usage and host disk in-use status. From those someone can probably show some nice status icons in the user interface
15.09.19 #       <fyrestorm> 30gb
15.09.29 Quit    Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15.09.38 #       <LambdaCalculus37> 5.5G here, 30GB.
15.10.03 Join    Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se)
15.10.30 #       <gevaerts> fyrestorm: can you try with a standard build, just in case ? I doubt if the USB stack work can cause this, but maybe I did something wrong with the build
15.10.39 #       <fyrestorm> sure
15.10.49 Quit    jpt9 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15.11.06 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Ah, so that's what that was. :P
15.11.13 #       * LambdaCalculus37 should read the logs next time ;)
15.11.38 #       <fyrestorm> wait no
15.11.46 #       <fyrestorm> im wrong about disk activity
15.11.50 #       <fyrestorm> i see the icon now
15.15.05 Join    DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD0A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
15.15.11 Join    desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin)
15.15.11 Join    nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic)
15.16.01 #       <GodEater> it just flicks on and off
15.16.06 #       <GodEater> it's no on continuously
15.16.10 #       <GodEater> s/no/not
15.16.39 Join    MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955DC73.dip.t-dialin.net)
15.17.02 #       <LambdaCalculus37> But at least you know when it's accessing the disk.
15.17.08 #       <fyrestorm> yeah
15.17.22 #       <fyrestorm> i didnt see it before when i was deleting files
15.17.36 #       <amiconn> n1s: Statusbar is displayed in the usb screen...
15.19.09 #       <preglow> anyone know how charging works in rockbox now, btw? didn't rockbox charge slower than retailos before?
15.19.45 Quit    CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!")
15.19.46 #       <preglow> speaking ipods here
15.20.05 #       * DerPapst 's ipod can't speak...
15.22.04 Join    BitTorment_ [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk)
15.24.36 #       <pixelma> DerPapst: turn on the voice UI ;)
15.25.46 #       <alterego> does it ever bother you if people give you things when you aren't even ready?
15.26.22 #       <DerPapst> pixelma: nah.. that'd be too easy ;-)
15.26.40 Join    BitTorment__ [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk)
15.27.22 #       <preglow> DerPapst: these can!
15.27.54 Quit    alterego (K-lined)
15.34.04 Join    Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75)
15.34.53 Join    MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F039.dip.t-dialin.net)
15.35.45 #       <preglow> according to lsusb, my usb disk claims it needs 2 ma max power...
15.36.03 #       <preglow> should be a breeze for my nano to power it, then!
15.36.03 Quit    LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
15.36.36 Join    LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea06fe8aa53e6b57)
15.39.16 #       <LambdaCalculus37> What's a good font to use to properly display Chinese characters?
15.39.36 #       <fyrestorm> doesnt the cabbie theme support unicode?
15.39.36 #       <LambdaCalculus37> I have a co-worker running Rockbox on her iPod nano.
15.41.26 #       <LambdaCalculus37> The cabbie theme does have Unicode support, but Unifont is just too damn big.
15.41.38 #       <fyrestorm> hm
15.41.54 #       <preglow> is unifont all the unicode fonts we have? :V
15.42.19 #       <LambdaCalculus37> We have the Sazanami fonts, but not all Chinese characters display with that.
15.42.41 #       <preglow> truetype! :D
15.43.19 Quit    BitTorment_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15.45.04 #       * LambdaCalculus37 remembered hearing something about working on DejaVu fonts for Rockbox some time back
15.45.31 Quit    BitTorment (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15.48.35 Quit    crope` ("Leaving")
15.49.00 Join    NixerX [0] (n=NixerX@rrcs-72-43-56-143.nys.biz.rr.com)
15.49.17 #       <NixerX> Hey will rockbox work on a sansa e250 firmware v1?
15.50.09 #       <dionoea> it should
15.50.35 #       <LambdaCalculus37> NixerX: If the firmware in the Sansa starts with a 1, then the hardware is a v1.
15.50.43 #       <LambdaCalculus37> That means you can use Rockbox.
15.50.49 Join    kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel)
15.50.59 Join    hamdiya [0] (i=c3e5ecd8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36dfc329a98bae16)
15.50.59 #       <NixerX> Thank you. Is there a way / directions to reinstall the Sansa firmware?
15.51.21 #       <LambdaCalculus37> NixerX: Ask and you shall receive: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html
15.51.29 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Our lovely and fine manual will guide the way.
15.51.29 #       <hamdiya> hello
15.51.34 #       <hamdiya> any ETA on the viewports?
15.51.35 Quit    dan_a (Remote closed the connection)
15.52.15 #       <kugel> gevaerts: excellent work
15.52.15 #       <NixerX> LambdaCalculus37, nice!
15.52.31 Quit    XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
15.52.41 Join    XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr)
15.52.45 Quit    MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15.54.24 #       <NixerX> LambdaCalculus37, last thing. Usng the utlity, I set the mount point to the drive (f:) but it says "no sansa found".
15.54.30 #       <NixerX> What am I doing wrong?
15.54.50 #       <pixelma> is your Sansa in MSC mode?
15.54.50 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Is your Sansa set to use MSC mode?
15.55.06 #       <LambdaCalculus37> pixelma: Wow, same time. :)
15.55.16 #       <NixerX> lol. I see it as drives...is that MSC ,pde
15.55.19 #       <gevaerts> kugel: thanks
15.55.32 #       <LambdaCalculus37> That's MSC mode.
15.55.39 #       <NixerX> Is that bad?
15.55.47 #       <kugel> gevaerts: I saw you have svn commit access now, I wonder why your real name isn't stated
15.55.48 #       <LambdaCalculus37> No, that's good. You want MSC mode.
15.55.54 #       <NixerX> ok.
15.56.10 Join    Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A9768A.dip.t-dialin.net)
15.56.13 #       <NixerX> I have a MicroSd card in too
15.56.14 #       <petur> kugel: the script isn't up to date yet it seems
15.56.35 #       <pixelma> kugel: because the front page script...
15.56.42 #       <kugel> ah ok
15.56.51 #       <LambdaCalculus37> NixerX: Try using the options on the second tab of RBUtil.
15.57.00 Join    Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4EE3E.dip.t-dialin.net)
15.57.35 #       <NixerX> LambdaCalculus37, installing the boot loader says no sansa found.
15.57.40 #       <pixelma> NixerX: and you run rbutil as root/with administrator rights?
15.57.44 Quit    Horscht (Nick collision from services.)
15.58.02 #       <NixerX> pixelma, yes, I am
15.58.07 #       <kugel> I'm a bit dissapointed that I couldn't help testing the USB stuff intensivly, since there were allready a decent number of sansa users testing it. But that doesn't overcome my happyness that it's working now
15.58.14 Nick    Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht)
15.59.28 #       <NixerX> My mouse disapeard :)
15.59.46 #       <NixerX> Vists is sh!t
15.59.53 #       <NixerX> *vista* :)
16.00.03 #       <petur> Kugel: the name translation works partially, see http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080221T115931Z.html
16.00.04 #       <LambdaCalculus37> NixerX: I feel your pain, but let's get back to installation.
16.00.18 #       <LambdaCalculus37> If RBUtil isn't working, we'll do it manually.
16.00.19 #       <NixerX> LambdaCalculus37, ok.
16.00.25 #       <NixerX> ok.
16.00.44 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Download this: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/win32/sansapatcher.exe
16.00.45 #       <kugel> petur: ah ok
16.00.46 #       <pixelma> ah, Vista. There was something about a user access setting in vista, though I don't remember exactly what it was
16.01.16 #       <NixerX> pixelma,I killed  UAC  along time ago
16.02.05 Quit    Horscht ("User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI")
16.02.22 Nick    JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
16.03.22 #       <LambdaCalculus37> NixerX: Can you download a build of Rockbox for your Sansa and extract it to the root of the device? http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip
16.03.31 #       <NixerX> ok. 1 sec
16.03.39 #       <NixerX> doin it now.
16.04.32 #       <LambdaCalculus37> You should have a .rockbox folder in the Sansa when you're done.
16.04.40 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Note the . in the folder name.
16.05.17 #       <NixerX> ok.
16.05.42 #       <NixerX> LambdaCalculus37, I restarted my sansa and the util is working now.
16.06.16 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Okay, then install the bootloader.
16.06.21 #       <NixerX> Ok.
16.06.25 Part    pixelma
16.06.42 #       <NixerX> Do you think this would work for the e250r's? I have freinds that have them.
16.06.58 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Rockbox will work on the R series, but the install instructions are different.
16.07.06 #       <LambdaCalculus37> It's a little trickier to do.
16.07.42 #       <NixerX> Well this util is frikkin sweet.
16.08.09 #       <NixerX> HOw big of a MicroSD can I stick in this thing? 8g?
16.08.25 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Up to 32GB, in theory.
16.08.41 #       <NixerX> very nice....who needs an Ipod :)
16.09.02 Join    kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178075033.adsl.alicedsl.de)
16.09.07 #       <LambdaCalculus37> The people who have that and only that as their DAP. :)
16.09.23 #       <NixerX> Ok ok....very PC :)
16.09.37 #       <NixerX> So once I reboot the sansa thats it?
16.10.00 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Yes, it should should the SanDisk logo, then the Rockbox splash will appear.
16.10.20 #       <NixerX> bingo mate...thanks
16.10.28 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Tell us if it works.
16.10.44 #       <NixerX> its working great...as far as booting :)
16.11.19 #       <NixerX> Themes work.
16.11.32 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Try playing a song or two.
16.11.32 Join    kugel|afk [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel)
16.11.35 Quit    kugel|afk (Client Quit)
16.11.51 #       <NixerX> fonts work.
16.12.07 Join    aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask)
16.12.38 #       <aliask> jhMikeS, Nico_P: I have begun documenting the MC13783 registers over at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MC13783Regs
16.12.54 #       <aliask> Hopefully some useful stuff in there.
16.12.55 #       <LambdaCalculus37> NixerX: Sounds like we have a successful install on our hands. :)
16.13.37 #       <NixerX> Many thanks!
16.13.57 #       * LambdaCalculus37 gives NixerX the Power of Rockbox!
16.14.25 Join    kugel|afk [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel)
16.14.40 Quit    kugel (Nick collision from services.)
16.14.47 Nick    kugel|afk is now known as kugel (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel)
16.19.13 #       * aliask goes to sleep
16.19.14 Quit    aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]")
16.19.50 Join    alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
16.21.10 Quit    Doomed_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
16.22.30 Quit    gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]")
16.24.10 Quit    hamdiya ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
16.25.54 Quit    perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
16.26.21 #       <NixerX> LambdaCalculus37, should i be able to access the storage on the sansa while rockbox is on?
16.27.26 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Our USB stack still needs to be finished, so for now, you have to use the original firmware.
16.27.32 Join    hamdiya [0] (n=c3e5ecd6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7a653376e0c92e27)
16.27.45 #       <LambdaCalculus37> You can still access it by pressing |<< as you turn your Sansa on.
16.28.08 #       <NixerX> ok.
16.28.39 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Once our USB stack is completed, you'll never have to look at the original firmware ever again. :)
16.29.09 #       <NixerX> That will be awesome... time line?
16.29.28 Quit    kugel_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16.29.33 #       <LambdaCalculus37> You'll see the announcement on the front page of http://www.rockbox.org
16.29.54 #       <NixerX> Thanks again.
16.30.22 #       * LambdaCalculus37 goes for coffee
16.31.45 Join    perrikwp [0] (i=98214841@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-29689ce50a307407)
16.32.16 Quit    hamdiya (Client Quit)
16.32.54 Join    hamdiya [0] (i=c3e5ecd8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-91c5230eff096ea4)
16.34.19 Part    LinusN
16.34.45 #       <fyrestorm> ok, trying to build a database in the new build is really draining my battery in rockbox
16.34.56 #       <fyrestorm> ive never seen it do this before
16.34.57 #       <fyrestorm> heh
16.38.32 Join    fnakigfjh [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44)
16.39.16 #       <hamdiya> hello
16.39.21 #       <hamdiya> question for the gurus here :P
16.39.29 #       <hamdiya> can i change the font color for a wps
16.41.17 #       <GodEater> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15552.msg115910   <-- if you're so tech saavy - why do something so dumb ?
16.42.02 #       <petur> lol
16.42.15 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
16.43.33 #       <hamdiya> you should post that
16.43.36 #       <hamdiya> :D
16.49.48 Join    Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
16.50.23 #       <preglow> spleesh
16.50.44 Quit    alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
16.51.55 #       <hamdiya> GodEather: is it possible to change the font color for a wps?
16.52.21 #       <GodEater> the wps font colour is the same as the the currently configured foreground colour
16.53.08 #       <hamdiya> soo, it's user configured?
16.53.23 #       <GodEater> again, you can configure it in the .cfg you ship with your theme
16.53.27 #       <GodEater> most theme authors do
16.53.41 Quit    MethoS-- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable))
16.53.45 #       <hamdiya> im just making a wps atm
16.54.26 #       <GodEater> then you can't change the colour
16.55.24 #       <hamdiya> out of curiosity, is the wps the hardest part in making a theme?
16.56.00 Join    japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235)
16.56.40 #       <GodEater> depends how you define "hard"
16.57.14 #       <hamdiya> "hardest part"
16.57.32 #       <hamdiya> as in
16.57.45 #       <hamdiya> the other stuff are easier than the wps
16.58.13 #       <GodEater> yes, but what do you consider the "wps"? Just the text file? Or the images it's loading?
16.58.28 #       <hamdiya> both
17.00.54 #       <GodEater> well I personally find the text file part a doddle, and the images mind numbingly difficult - but that's because I've all the art skills of a quadraplegic oranutang
17.03.06 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Hahaha!
17.07.21 #       <gevaerts> Am I right in my understanding that SYS_EVENTs are distinguished by local events by having some higher bits set, so using "small" numbers for local events is safe ?
17.07.42 Join    Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht)
17.08.55 Join    linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb)
17.10.12 Quit    Echelon (Remote closed the connection)
17.11.43 Quit    m0f0x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
17.12.41 Part    pannu
17.13.14 #       * linuxstb has now fixed his build server...
17.13.19 #       <GodEater> yay
17.13.39 #       <GodEater> back from Cairo now ?
17.15.19 Quit    DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
17.20.49 #       <hamdiya> GodEater:is there a quickway to reload the wps in the simulator
17.21.13 #       <GodEater> why keep asking me ?
17.21.18 #       <GodEater> I don't do wps work....
17.21.38 #       <hamdiya> i know, but ur theonly one here
17.21.45 #       <GodEater> 144 total...
17.21.53 #       <hamdiya> no one replies
17.22.11 #       <hamdiya> if ur busy, tell me
17.22.45 #       <LambdaCalculus37> hamdiya: Oi oi, no shorthanding. Say "you're" or "you are", not "ur".
17.22.58 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Please think of the visually impaired and our foreign visitors.
17.23.09 #       <hamdiya> ops sry
17.23.15 #       <hamdiya> wont happen again
17.23.23 #       <hamdiya> sorry*
17.24.38 #       <rasher> hamdiya: I'm pretty sure the only way to reload is to open the theme file. You could browse to the theme theme dir and switch back and forth between the wps and file browser (depending on which target you're using, it's usually the "select" button to go from wps->filebrowser and "play" button to go from filebrowser->wps
17.25.16 #       <hamdiya> rasher:im actually using a simulator for the moment
17.25.32 #       <hamdiya> i usually just goto the menu and reload the wps
17.25.36 #       <rasher> hamdiya: yeah but there are still differences in button layout depending on which target you're simulating
17.26.22 #       <hamdiya> will the file manager remember my previous location?
17.26.45 #       <hamdiya> hey thanks!
17.29.25 #       <linuxstb> I normally just close the sim, and re-open it (with resume enabled)
17.31.06 Quit    z35 ("Leaving")
17.32.43 Quit    Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris")
17.44.12 Quit    XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
17.44.19 Quit    NixerX ("Leaving")
17.44.23 Join    XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr)
17.45.36 Join    alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
17.46.24 Quit    Doomed_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
17.47.37 Join    linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
17.47.45 Quit    linuxstb (Nick collision from services.)
17.47.47 Nick    linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
17.52.36 Quit    hamdiya ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
17.53.41 Join    Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.147.200)
17.54.29 Join    dan_a [0] (n=user@78.32.69.187)
17.55.07 Quit    miepchen^schlaf (Remote closed the connection)
17.55.35 Join    miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF42DA.dip.t-dialin.net)
17.56.03 Quit    XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
17.56.13 Join    XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr)
18.03.12 Quit    miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
18.06.24 Join    ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net)
18.08.27 Part    pondlife
18.09.26 Quit    perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
18.13.04 Join    hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B160E0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
18.14.04 Join    Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht)
18.14.16 Quit    gevaerts ("work->home")
18.14.51 Join    perrikwp [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2ec4fda2d7e42c67)
18.15.37 Join    kperri [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0d02d422a94ca0d0)
18.15.56 Quit    perrikwp (Client Quit)
18.22.16 Quit    kperri ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
18.22.56 #       * Nico_P want to try to fix FS#8215 but can't repro
18.23.09 #       <Nico_P> neither on the sim nor on the ipod
18.23.21 Join    perrikwp [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c54f203ff2d10fb2)
18.23.54 Quit    linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
18.25.41 Quit    petur ("work->home")
18.26.37 Quit    XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
18.26.44 Join    JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b684752d49bf06c7)
18.26.48 Join    XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr)
18.29.26 Quit    hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
18.29.27 Nick    hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B160E0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
18.31.30 Join    kfazz [0] (n=ken@c-67-186-161-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
18.32.30 #       <kfazz> anybody know how to read from usb-serial?  using cat /dev/ttyUSB0 hardlocks my computer. haven't tried without storage enabled though.
18.36.19 Join    w1ll14m [0] (n=w1ll14m@a222060.upc-a.chello.nl)
18.37.43 #       <w1ll14m> i have a question...
18.37.59 #       <w1ll14m> when i have my eq on, i can't change the volume of an ogg song.... is that correct ?
18.38.36 #       <Domonoky> w1ll14m: that doesnt sound correct..
18.38.45 #       <w1ll14m> hmm strange...
18.39.33 #       <Llorean> is this with an official build?
18.40.22 #       <w1ll14m> no it's not an official build....
18.40.34 #       <w1ll14m> that's why i'n not whining about it ;)
18.40.41 #       <w1ll14m> just asking if it was normal ;)
18.40.51 #       <Llorean> You could test with an official build first, then ask.
18.40.53 #       <Llorean> As per the usual guidelines
18.41.14 Join    cars [0] (n=451de957@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7975c9aafadf620e)
18.41.19 Join    gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-010.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be)
18.41.23 #       <w1ll14m> yeah, you're right... i should have done that first...
18.42.19 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
18.42.48 Join    pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife)
18.42.55 Part    pondlife
18.44.38 Join    hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B160E0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
18.47.37 Join    pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife)
18.47.43 Part    pondlife
18.47.48 Join    pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife)
18.48.17 #       <pondlife> Nico_P: I've not been able to reproduce either the bookmark, or resume issues
18.48.23 #       <pondlife> They sound very similar
18.48.37 #       <Nico_P> pondlife: were you ever able to?
18.48.41 #       <pondlife> No
18.48.44 #       <Nico_P> ah
18.48.47 #       <pondlife> On H300 or sim
18.48.57 #       <Nico_P> I don't even get the audio skipping :(
18.49.07 #       <pondlife> I've been using long files, but all CBR MP3
18.49.20 #       <pondlife> Have you tried with long OGGs?
18.49.24 Quit    hannesd (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))
18.49.25 Nick    hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B160E0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
18.49.33 #       <Nico_P> no
18.49.47 #       <Nico_P> I don't have any but I have a few AAC podcasts
18.50.33 #       <pondlife> It seems to be reproducible for some people.. you know - the people who lust after r16099
18.50.35 #       <pondlife> ;)
18.50.54 #       <pondlife> p.s. I've not forgotten that hard disk, just been very very busy
18.51.08 #       <Nico_P> no worry
18.54.42 #       * gevaerts is trying to find his way in a maze of usb states
18.55.03 #       * pondlife draws a diagram
18.56.01 #       * scorche|sh hands gevaerts to keep the grues away
18.56.15 #       * scorche|sh adds "a lantern" tot he above statement
18.56.46 #       * JdGordon|w offers a freeking gps and lazers and shit to make it slightly easier than just a boring lantern
18.57.25 #       <JdGordon|w> although.. i can understand hwy scorche only offered a lantern.... not helping in the bank heist means he doesnt have quite as much disposble moneys needing laundering
18.57.40 Quit    kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
18.58.08 #       * gevaerts tries some magic words and gets a linker error : undefined reference to `xyzzy'
18.58.33 #       <cars> Hello, how long should it take to boot Rockbox on a 2gen Ipod?  The Rockbox splash screen  is showing and the hard drive is active but it's been like that for a few minutes.
19.00.33 #       <Domonoky> not this long, only a few seconds..
19.00.54 #       <cars> OK.  I've probably run into a problem installing it, then.  .I'll head back to the documentation and try it all again.
19.01.08 #       <gevaerts> Try checking the filesystem
19.01.21 #       <w1ll14m> might be a few bad blocks ?
19.01.39 #       <w1ll14m> i've had a problem like that....
19.01.54 Join    BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi)
19.01.59 #       <w1ll14m> and my harddisk had a lot bad blocks....
19.02.05 #       <w1ll14m> so i had to threw the disk away...
19.02.26 #       <w1ll14m> and took my old ipod 5g 30GB harddisk and it worked like a charm again
19.03.33 #       <cars> That's good that you got it working, but I haven't had any problems using the default apple firmware yet, so I hope that's not what it is.
19.03.37 Join    FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net)
19.04.07 #       <w1ll14m> i don't hope so too, also my apple os was running just fine....
19.04.30 #       <w1ll14m> only rockbox won't boot and music was unreadable
19.04.54 #       <cars> Were you able to go back to the Apple OS for it to work?
19.05.00 #       <w1ll14m> first time running rockbox on that device ?
19.05.03 Join    amiconn_m [0] (n=amiconn_@tmo-111-1.customers.d1-online.com)
19.05.04 #       <cars> Yeah.
19.05.09 #       <w1ll14m> aha...
19.05.38 #       <w1ll14m> i could load my OF, but it won't play songs... because of my disk had a lot of badblocks....
19.05.48 #       <gevaerts> Is there an easy way to find out what #defines like HAVE_MMC mean ?
19.06.16 #       * Llorean resists saying "It has an MMC slot" because he's sure that's not what's being asked. :)
19.06.20 #       <cars> w1ll14m: No bad blocks according to windows.
19.06.31 #       <w1ll14m> hmm ....
19.06.37 #       * gevaerts meant that as an example. 
19.06.45 #       <Nico_P> pondlife: long AAC podcasts resume fine too :(
19.06.47 #       <w1ll14m> then it's probably something else ;)
19.07.06 #       <pondlife> Nico_P: OGG or FLAC seem to be named most in reports.
19.07.11 #       <Nico_P> and I still can't get that damn skipping issue
19.07.18 #       <cars> w1ll14m: Good, I guess. :)
19.07.20 #       <Llorean> gevaerts: I don't know if there's any central reference for them, sorry. =/
19.07.43 #       <Nico_P> pondlife: ah amiconn did have some FLAC files but I tried them out and didn't see any problems. do they have to be long?
19.07.46 #       <w1ll14m> cars, are you using a fresh build ?
19.07.47 #       <Llorean> pondlife: Meaning maybe something in the metadata parser instead, somehow?
19.08.07 #       <pondlife> Maybe a race where the metadata isn't always ready on time?
19.08.39 #       <cars> w1ll14m: Current build, yes.
19.08.47 Quit    japc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19.08.56 #       <pondlife> People report that the position bar initially appears correct (i.e. during the track) but then either resets to the start, or other weirdness - like rerurning to the browser
19.08.58 #       <scorche|sh> perhaps it is a good time to make an IfDef wikipage to keep track of them...
19.08.58 #       <Nico_P> Llorean, pondlife: could be
19.09.16 #       <Nico_P> returning to the browser is often a sign of codec error
19.09.17 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: no :( HAVE_MMC is the ondio which has an external MMC slot
19.09.27 #       <w1ll14m> cars: hmm strange
19.10.04 #       <gevaerts> I guess the Ondio SP uses a hardware USB bridge ?
19.10.11 Part    amiconn_m
19.10.38 #       <rasher> gevaerts: correct
19.10.44 #       <w1ll14m> cars: maybe try to reinstall the bootloader... i don't have much experiance with 2nd gen
19.10.48 #       * gevaerts is trying to integrate the full usb stack cleanly in usb.c, preferably without breaking other players
19.12.51 #       <cars> w1ll14m: If I get the splash screen, hasn't the boot loader already done its thing?  I assume Rockbox is linux-based, right?
19.13.01 #       * Nico_P is cursed with the inability to make bugs appear
19.13.05 #       <scorche|sh> cars: it isnt
19.13.05 #       <pondlife> cars: You assume wrong
19.13.16 #       <cars> I stand corrected.
19.13.20 #       <w1ll14m> i won't repeat the rest ;)
19.13.22 #       * gevaerts wants to borrow Nico_P's curse
19.13.40 #       <Llorean> cars: Which splash screen do you get?
19.13.40 #       <Nico_P> gevaerts: it's not a good one, believe me
19.14.18 #       <gevaerts> Nico_P: depends on what 'appears' means exactly I guess
19.14.45 #       <Nico_P> yeah. I meant "reproduce bugs that I know exist"
19.15.08 #       * gevaerts doesn't want that curse after all
19.15.46 #       <cars> Llorean: The one that says Rockbox in a graphic at the top and Ver. r16360-080220 at the bottom.
19.15.57 Join    miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF42DA.dip.t-dialin.net)
19.17.11 #       <Nico_P> the UI feels really sluggish when the CPU isn't boosted
19.18.38 #       <pondlife> Nico_P: Do you have a Sansa?
19.18.45 #       <Nico_P> no
19.18.53 #       <pondlife> That might be the reason for the curse
19.18.56 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: if its easier, split it up into usb-hw.c and usb-sw.c ?
19.18.56 #       <Nico_P> speaking about the ipod video here
19.19.14 #       <Nico_P> I thought the video 80 GB was the most buggy target
19.19.34 Join    petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
19.19.48 #       <Llorean> cars: Okay, that's the proper boot screen, and it means you got past the bootloader. Which bootloader did you install, and what method did you use to install it?
19.19.58 Quit    FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
19.19.58 Nick    FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net)
19.20.12 #       <pondlife> I suspect that somehow the flash players may react differently when buffering.  Timing and stuff.
19.20.34 Join    star_jasmine [0] (n=arwyneve@75.108.74.16)
19.20.36 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: that might be a good idea. It would certainly reduce the risk of breaking things.
19.20.49 Join    My_Sic [0] (n=546746c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7ad2c5d220b36295)
19.21.45 #       <star_jasmine> hi... I have a few questions. in today's changelog, I understand that sapi 4 voices  can now be created. I am using cygwin, and wondered how to do this.
19.22.24 #       <star_jasmine> my next question is about the usb mode in rockbox. #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB is required to enable it. where do I put this string?
19.23.24 #       <Nico_P> pondlife: then I might need to get my hands on a sansa
19.23.29 #       <cars> Llorean: I've tried both the Utility install and the manual install with the same result each time.  I restored completely via itunes between reinstalls. Currently, I'm using the Utility install and installing the bootloader using that.
19.23.43 #       <pondlife> Nico_P: I've been thinking the same
19.23.52 #       <pondlife> I have no PP targets, and no flash targets
19.23.59 #       <Nico_P> that I need one? :p
19.24.21 Join    pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
19.25.31 #       <pondlife> Nico_P: Haha, of course
19.26.28 #       <Llorean> cars: I was just making sure you weren't using Loader2 or anything like that. I don't know, really, at this point.
19.27.56 #       <cars> I found a similar issue in the "Ipod install went wrong" thread which suggested deleting a config file in the .rockbox directory and rebooting.
19.28.23 #       <cars> I could try that, but, as stated in the thread, it's better to find out what the problem is and how to fix it than simply use a workaround.
19.28.33 #       <w1ll14m> once the bootloader has loaded... you can switch to hold.. which also should clear the config
19.29.32 #       <cars> w1ll14m: so immediately after I see the Rockbox splash, turn hold on and leave it on?
19.30.01 #       <Llorean> cars: Before that
19.30.22 #       <w1ll14m> but not to early, then it will load OF
19.30.25 Join    DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD0A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
19.30.26 #       <Llorean> cars: There should be a point after the apple logo appears, when the backlight turns on. Shortly after that, but before the Rockbox logo, should be the right time
19.30.38 #       <gevaerts> Can I assume that all PP502x devices will use software usb ?
19.30.38 Join    jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com)
19.30.59 #       <cars> Llorean: OK. I'll try that.
19.31.27 #       <pondlife> gevaerts: Yes, but I'd think it should be a different #ifdef trigger (in case you were thinking of cheating)
19.31.37 #       <DerPapst> Llorean: while speaking of loader 2.... can you add a link to the official iPodLinux wiki page for Loader 2 http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 to your post here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0
19.32.47 #       <cars> Llorean: There's no delay between the Apple logo and the Rockbox one.
19.32.55 #       <gevaerts> pondlife: I'm mainly thinking about how usb_detect() in usb-fw-pp502x.c (specifically) needs to behave.
19.33.02 Quit    alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19.33.14 Join    alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
19.33.17 #       <DerPapst> Llorean: and maybe add a note that when they have problems with intalling it that they should posts their questions in the ipl forums
19.33.30 #       <DerPapst> Llorean: thanks
19.34.15 #       <gevaerts> pondlife: I think there are already more than enough #ifdefs that test for the wrong #define
19.34.16 #       <cars> Llorean: Is there a file I can simply erase in the rockbox directory that will get rid of the config instead?
19.34.26 #       <pondlife> gevaerts: Indeed :)
19.34.44 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: can usb be as a usb serial host?
19.35.18 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: as opposed to device ? That would require full OTG support.
19.35.24 #       <w1ll14m> cars: there should be a config file in .rockbox
19.35.34 #       <w1ll14m> if you remove it rockbox will create a new one
19.36.02 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: yes, damn, is that possible to add?
19.36.02 Quit    star_jasmine ()
19.36.16 #       <w1ll14m> cars: i forgot the config file name
19.36.18 #       <cars> w1ll14m: I see tagnavi.config and viewers.config.  Is it either of those?
19.36.26 #       <w1ll14m> cars: nope,
19.36.40 #       <w1ll14m> not one of those
19.36.45 #       <JdGordon|w> config.cfg
19.36.54 #       <w1ll14m> yeah that's it
19.37.02 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: in theory yes, but it would need a new driver.
19.37.32 Join    linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb)
19.37.33 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: Lots of people seem to want it, so it should be easy to find volunteers for that ;-)
19.37.36 #       * JdGordon|w likes not hearing no :)
19.38.05 #       <pondlife> Not many people have commented on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion
19.38.21 #       <JdGordon|w> also, you have ums and usb serial device right? can they both be active at the same time (i assume not?) so do we need a way to decide which mode to put usb into?
19.38.23 #       <cars> w1ll14m: That file doesn't exist, which seems to me that it freezes before it's able to make the .cfg file.
19.38.35 #       <pondlife> I really like the new layout - and MarcGuay has good attention to detail
19.38.40 #       <w1ll14m> cars: it seems like it
19.39.16 #       <w1ll14m> pondlife: i like the way the menu's work at the moment ;)
19.39.20 #       <Llorean> DerPapst: Done
19.39.43 #       <pondlife> w1ll14m: I don't mind, but it could be better
19.39.43 #       <DerPapst> Llorean: thank you :-)
19.39.44 #       <Llorean> cars: It won't make a .cfg file during booting anyway. You have to change some settings first, and it sounds like you've never gotten it to boot
19.39.55 #       <linuxstb> cars: Unless it's been fixed, I think you've just hit the common 2nd gen (and 1st/3rd gen) ipod bug - certain Rockbox builds freeze for an unknown reason.  The solution is just to try different builds until you find one that works.
19.40.02 #       <pixelma> cars: just reading the logs a bit, still have a problem on your 2nd gen Ipod? You might suffer from a problem with the early Ipods currently, see here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14228.msg106755#msg106755
19.40.30 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: they can be active at the same time. It works in linux, but windows didn't seem to see the serial device. Phill has a WIP patch to add logf() support to this, but I haven't seen that yet
19.41.17 #       <DerPapst> Llorean: not sure if it's a typo... "Then, as you may have noticed it's at ipodlinux, you should go to their forums and seek support for it their" last word has to be "there"?
19.41.30 #       <pixelma> cars: though that post hasn't been updated for a while, I'd try different different daily builds (builds page > daily builds > "older")
19.41.39 #       <Llorean> DerPapst: It should be, yes.
19.42.13 #       <Llorean> DerPapst: I was thinking "you should seek their support" vs "you should seek support there" and managed to get them both wrong.
19.42.54 #       <DerPapst> hehe :-)
19.43.02 #       <DerPapst> brb
19.43.04 Quit    DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!")
19.43.40 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: Part of my current work is making what usb class drivers actually get enabled runtime selectable
19.44.05 Join    DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-232-045.pools.arcor-ip.net)
19.46.20 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: ok, If you need a gui done let me know... (even adding a simple menu option for this can be a PITA)
19.48.17 #       <cars> pixelma: Thanks, I'll try that.  Can I simply delete  the .rockbox directory and unzip the files, or do I have to go through the whole install each time?
19.49.03 #       <Llorean> pondlife: Note in the forums: Please try to type "reproduce" rather than "repro", for the same reasons we always say. :)
19.49.13 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: Thanks. I don't really need one yet (I can use #defines just fine), but we will need something eventually. I guess the first requirement will be a debug setting to enable usb-serial logf() output (which will enable usb-serial at the same time)
19.49.14 #       <pondlife> Ah, ok
19.49.28 #       <pondlife> I use repro all the time as a word ;)
19.49.34 #       <Llorean> Hehehe
19.50.07 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: yeah, but eventually it might be nice to switch them in the same binary
19.50.36 #       <pixelma> cars: the usual "update" method is just to unzip the new version over the old one, with a good unzip tool you don't even have to delete the old files (in your case the build is older but the installation is the same)
19.53.48 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: Maybe we van start with debug menu entries to enable/disable storage and serial. If people find this useful (or we get more class drivers) it can be moved to settings later.
19.54.20 #       <rasher> Audio!
19.54.30 #       <Llorean> They should definitely be in "Debug" as long as the only "User" one is UMS
19.55.24 Join    davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com)
19.55.49 #       <pondlife> rasher: ?#
19.56.12 #       <rasher> pondlife: gevaerts mentioned "more class drivers" - I just suggested audio as the obvious one to add.
19.56.20 #       <pondlife> Ah
19.56.27 #       <gevaerts> rasher: go ahead ! We can't enable audio at the same time as anything else though. It needs two sets of endpoints, which is all the chip provides.
19.57.13 #       <pondlife> Slasheri: I'm able to reproduce a nice click when I start playback... and it's caused by crossfade :)
19.57.19 #       * gevaerts proposes HID, so people used to rockbox doom can play doom on their PC with the same keys
19.57.20 #       <pixelma> cars: and you probably don't need to go through the complete installation process, it seems the bootloader is installed correctly so you only need to install a new build
19.57.30 #       <rasher> Though I'm not sure what the point of using your DAP as sound card would be
19.58.00 #       <JdGordon|w> coz you can?!
19.58.36 #       <rasher> gevaerts: I guess that's the other class that might make the slightest bit of sense
19.58.44 #       <gevaerts> Because you have a laptop without sound jack, and you want to use your headphones ?
19.58.48 #       <Domonoky> unfortunatly the h1x0 players dont have software USB, or else you would have a soundcard with digital in/out :-)
19.58.53 Nick    simonrvn is now known as Kjikaqawej (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn)
19.58.55 Join    Phill [0] (n=irc-Feb2@5ac47d15.bb.sky.com)
19.59.13 #       * Llorean looks forward to all this on the Gigabeast
19.59.31 Nick    Kjikaqawej is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn)
19.59.32 #       <Llorean> The Gigabeat S comes with an adapter to convert its mini USB jack into a normal sized one.
20.00.28 #       <Domonoky> the audio class could be interesting for players with fm radio :-)
20.01.00 #       <gevaerts> Are there actually players with an fm radio that has decent reception ?
20.01.10 #       <pondlife> H300 is fine
20.01.18 #       <JdGordon|w> with the headphones plugged in it can be ok reception
20.01.27 #       <n1s> we obviously need a USB host driver too :)
20.01.42 #       <rasher> Neither the h120 or the e200's FM was of any use to me
20.01.43 #       <Llorean> gevaerts: My e200, c200, and H100 all get decent reception where I used to live.
20.01.47 #       * JdGordon|w just wants serial host :D
20.02.14 #       <JdGordon|w> ... bluetooth usb could be sweet also
20.02.31 #       * JdGordon|w not sure whats needed for that
20.02.31 #       <pixelma> there is not a big difference wrt reception between my c200 and my OndioFM (uses the same tuner as the irivers), I think it's ok
20.02.34 Join    amiconn_m [0] (n=amiconn_@tmo-105-2.customers.d1-online.com)
20.02.47 #       <JdGordon|w> control rockbox with my bluetooth headset instead of just the volume
20.02.51 #       <n1s> JdGordon|w: custom dock with wireless remote!
20.03.37 #       <n1s> (blutooth dongle + cellphone or similar) :D
20.04.02 #       <Phill> gevaerts: I posted the logf usb-serial patch at http://pastebin.ca/911624  -- it's a bit messy as I wasn't sure how best to determine the usb-serial was ready, so just assume it is when the first bit of data is recevied on the serial port. There are probably a lot more problems than that, but I'm too busy to work on it more at the moment.
20.05.16 Join    ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul)
20.05.28 Join    amiconn_mm [0] (n=amiconn_@tmo-105-2.customers.d1-online.com)
20.06.07 Quit    amiconn_mm (Client Quit)
20.06.08 Quit    amiconn_m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
20.06.16 Join    bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother)
20.06.39 #       <gevaerts> Phill: thanks. I'll have a look at it once I get my usb connection working again (I'm in the middle of some code rework)
20.06.59 Quit    perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
20.07.14 Join    JamPSi [0] (n=jamps@a91-152-120-58.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
20.08.08 #       <Phill> gevaerts: no problem. Hopefully it's of a bit of use!
20.08.10 Join    fliegenderfrosch [0] (n=manuel@cable-static-232-59.eblcom.ch)
20.13.08 #       <fliegenderfrosch> I would like to apply the RTC-Mod to my iriver H140, which requires a manual build. As I haven't done that before, I would like to load the new build to the player BEFORE modding it. Is there a problem if I use Rockbox with the RTC-Mod enabled with a player without the RTC-Mod?
20.13.40 Quit    micols_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20.15.17 #       <JdGordon|w> iirc that patch does work in a non modded h100 fine
20.15.41 #       <Llorean> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's okay. If it's not, it can't do any permanent harm, you'd just need to roll back.
20.16.21 #       <fliegenderfrosch> OK, thanks, I'll try it.
20.16.37 Join    perrikwp [0] (i=98214841@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-14b7a6a674aa1367)
20.17.52 #       <cars> Thanks for your help, guys!  It's working now, and seems to be the 2g bug that pixelma mentioned.  I'm running the build from 2/17.
20.18.09 Part    pondlife
20.19.01 #       <pixelma> nice you got it working (btw. linuxstb also mentioned it)  :)
20.19.20 #       <cars> Thanks linuxstb as well!
20.20.01 #       <Phill> gevaerts: I'm not sure if you've observed this, but with the code in svn, only about 50% of letters of letters sent to my e200 via serial get echoed back with the case changed. The rest just get echoed back as they were.
20.20.20 #       <BigBambi> Does the new USB stack work on H10 if enabled?
20.20.26 #       <fyrestorm> ipod doesnt seem to charge with new usb stack code
20.20.32 #       * BigBambi is making sure before answering a forum thread
20.20.42 #       <BigBambi> I think so, but you never know
20.21.20 #       <fyrestorm> charges if i put it in emergency disk mode, though
20.21.54 #       <pixelma> BigBambi: I _think_ I read in the logs that amiconn tested it yesterday (or in the night) but if you want to make sure...
20.22.08 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: How is emergency disk mode related in the slightest?
20.22.17 #       <BigBambi> pixelma: OK, cheers
20.22.45 #       <Llorean> BigBambi: I guess it means "The hardware still charges"
20.22.50 #       <fyrestorm> BigBambi: ipod with rockbox usually reboots to emergency disk mode to access the hd
20.23.09 #       <fyrestorm> it doesnt charge when im in usb mode in rockbox
20.23.45 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: I know, but the emergency disk mode is Apple code, not rockbox.  So apart from confirming that your hardware still works...
20.23.54 #       <BigBambi> pixelma: Yes he did and yes it does
20.24.03 #       <perrikwp> fyrestorm: I have found that it doesn't charge while writing, but if it is idle it does charge
20.24.21 #       <perrikwp> at least with my testing on the new usb code
20.24.27 #       <pixelma> BigBambi: :)
20.24.42 #       <fyrestorm> i left it on for a good 2 hours and so no charge to my battery
20.24.48 #       <fyrestorm> saw no charge*
20.25.04 #       <fyrestorm> rebooted it into emergency mode and it charged quick
20.25.26 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: You are aware that emergency disk mode is apple code?
20.25.32 #       <fyrestorm> ...
20.25.35 #       <fyrestorm> yes
20.25.43 #       <BigBambi> OK, lots of people aren't
20.25.53 #       <fyrestorm> im making a comparison.
20.26.20 #       <BigBambi> And I don't understand the value of that comparison other than to show the hardware still works
20.26.23 #       <fyrestorm> that yes, when im in apple mode, it charged.
20.26.36 #       <fyrestorm> because im using the new usb stack code?
20.26.40 #       <BigBambi> Since the rockbox code is still under heavy development
20.26.47 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: So?
20.27.01 #       <fyrestorm> so im reporting what i see?
20.27.05 #       <Llorean> fyrestorm: How about this: What exactly are you asking for?
20.27.12 #       <fyrestorm> nothing
20.27.25 #       <BigBambi> I know, and I don't know what information of any value it gives, and I am trying to find out if there is some
20.27.29 #       <Llorean> Then why are you here telling us these things. The code is quite incomplete.
20.27.55 #       <fyrestorm> sorry for trying to help :P
20.28.12 #       <BigBambi> We know that Apple disk mode works, and gevaerts knows what works in the rockbox USB - thus I don't see what it brings
20.28.14 #       <Llorean> Well, I don't mean to sound offensive, but if you want to help, try to be clear in what you're saying, and *why* you're saying it.
20.28.23 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: I didn't mean to be offensive at all
20.28.27 #       <fyrestorm> ok cool
20.28.32 #       <BigBambi> I just thought I might be missing something
20.28.46 #       <fyrestorm> no, i was just reporting what i noticed in the past few hours
20.28.57 #       <fyrestorm> i dont know if you guys know ;P
20.29.16 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: Loads of people thing Apple disk mode is rockbox code, and therefore your question could have been if charging works in one bit of rockbox why doesn't it in another
20.29.21 #       <BigBambi> s/thing/think
20.29.54 #       <fyrestorm> i know that, i was just wondering why it wasnt charging in rockbox usb mode.
20.29.59 #       * BigBambi was attempting to clarify, but just succesfully confused everyone instead
20.30.04 #       <fyrestorm> XD
20.30.05 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: Cos it isn't finished
20.30.16 #       <BigBambi> That is why you had to change defines and then compile
20.30.23 #       <BigBambi> (or someone who gave you the build did
20.30.25 #       <BigBambi> )
20.30.37 #       <fyrestorm> gevaerts gave me the build
20.30.43 #       <BigBambi> And he is the one developing it
20.30.46 #       <fyrestorm> yes
20.30.58 #       <BigBambi> Surely it is clear it isn't finished then?
20.31.03 #       <fyrestorm> so i just wanted to report bug
20.31.09 #       <fyrestorm> i know its not.
20.31.15 #       <BigBambi> It isn't a bug
20.31.20 #       <BigBambi> IT isn't done yet
20.31.27 #       <BigBambi> there is a big difference
20.31.47 #       <fyrestorm> well, he said earlier he didnt have an ipod to test with, so i just wanted to throw in feedback
20.31.57 #       <BigBambi> OK
20.32.05 #       <BigBambi> fyrestorm: Any way, not an issue
20.32.16 #       <BigBambi> I'm sorry this got extended so much
20.32.20 #       <fyrestorm> hahaha
20.32.23 #       <fyrestorm> ok word
20.32.41 Quit    JamPS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20.32.57 #       * fyrestorm makes a note to develop better irc social skills.
20.33.03 Quit    EspeonEefi ("さよなら")
20.33.15 #       <BigBambi> heh
20.39.23 #       <scorche|sh> such a beast as "irc social skills" exists? ;)
20.39.51 Join    GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater)
20.40.18 Join    linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
20.40.31 Join    lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967A2B.dip.t-dialin.net)
20.42.21 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
20.48.12 Join    kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel)
20.49.31 #       * gevaerts is back and starts reading the log
20.50.58 Join    amiconn_m [0] (n=amiconn_@tmo-097-2.customers.d1-online.com)
20.51.26 Quit    linuxstb (Nick collision from services.)
20.51.30 Nick    linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
20.52.33 Quit    My_Sic ("CGI:IRC")
20.52.41 Quit    amiconn_m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
20.53.15 Join    daniel2024 [0] (n=186b10fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4b7af297f8a0d9af)
20.55.27 Join    jayto [0] (n=4aeccc58@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-596604daccb6ab5a)
20.55.41 #       <jayto> hello
20.55.55 #       <bluebrother> Bagder: I've updated the linux binary of rbutil (link statically against libusb too). Can you move it from http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.tar.bz2 to the dl server?
20.56.51 #       <jayto> when will rockbox be a full stable version?
20.57.08 #       <BigBambi> jayto: No ETAs
20.57.36 #       <jayto> eta?
20.57.44 #       <BigBambi> First define full, then define stable, then and only then, go onto we don't know
20.58.00 #       <BigBambi> ETA  estimated time of arrival
20.58.09 Quit    daniel2024 (Client Quit)
20.58.13 #       <jayto> i see
20.58.24 #       <bluebrother> Rockbox is quite stable ...
20.58.34 #       <BigBambi> Rockbox is written in spare times by volunteers
20.58.37 #       <jayto> yes well my dad can't use it he says
20.58.49 #       <jayto> i have no probem tho
20.58.56 #       <BigBambi> Unfortunately "real life" gets in the way of people working on it full time
20.59.18 #       <jayto> well its good to see ppl working one day ill devolop too
20.59.22 #       <BigBambi> And I find it very stable of the two targets I use most often, gigabeat F and H140
20.59.26 #       <bluebrother> if he can't use it ... well, I don't think much people will be sad because of that ;-)
20.59.32 Quit    w1ll14m (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21.00.00 #       <fliegenderfrosch> I also have no problems at all on my H140
21.00.23 #       <jayto> he has a ipod 4th gen grayscale
21.00.31 #       <jayto> brb guys dog need to walk
21.00.57 #       <fliegenderfrosch> I do think though that the interface is more for technical people
21.02.03 #       * gevaerts decides to replace the entire usb detection code for portalplayer by a new interrupt-driven approach
21.04.30 Join    Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus)
21.06.33 Join    Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
21.07.00 #       * fliegenderfrosch just created his own Rockbox build and it works.
21.08.30 Quit    alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21.08.36 Quit    scorche (Connection timed out)
21.14.08 Join    ally_oxxoo [0] (n=asdokeas@c-69-141-95-124.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
21.14.13 Nick    nicktastic is now known as nicktastique (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic)
21.14.15 Join    Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@92.227.73.192)
21.15.06 #       <gevaerts> What kind of USB controller does the iRiver h300 have ?
21.15.29 #       <n1s> hardware thingy
21.15.40 #       <n1s> or do you mean the host one?
21.16.23 #       <gevaerts> n1s: I am splitting a new usb-sw.c off of usb.c, for software usb targets, and I want to know if I need to keep support for the H300 in there
21.16.38 #       <JdGordon|w> no
21.16.54 #       <petur> the usb host one is an isp1362
21.17.05 Join    moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr)
21.17.13 #       <n1s> the h300 uses a hardware usb<->ata bridge similar to most of the older targets
21.18.01 #       <gevaerts> I'm not going to think about host support right now, and the fewer #ifdefs I need in this new code the better
21.18.25 Join    nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic)
21.18.31 Join    micols [0] (n=micols@scharff.fys.ku.dk)
21.19.48 Join    tvelocity__ [0] (n=tony@85.72.148.67)
21.19.49 #       * gevaerts hopes to get working usb with new-style connection handling today.
21.19.56 #       <BigBambi> coolio
21.21.24 #       <LambdaCalculus37> gevaerts is our hero. :)
21.21.24 #       <fliegenderfrosch> I'm leaving. I just wanted to say thanks to the Rockbox devs, each time I get a new version, there are more things I like about it.
21.21.26 #       <jayto> well it mostly has problems trying to get a song to play wile going down the road
21.21.37 #       <jayto> my dads ipod
21.21.45 #       <jayto> i hacked it for him
21.21.47 #       <jayto> i hacked my ipod nano too
21.21.52 Part    fliegenderfrosch
21.21.56 #       <gevaerts> Just to make sure, do the portalplayer targets automatically charge when usb is connected, or does the current code do something to enable it ?
21.22.02 #       <jayto> not really hacked jsut loaded rockbox
21.22.10 #       <cars> Still playing around with this now that it's working.  This is amazing.  I swear the music sounds better in Rockbox.
21.23.15 #       <LambdaCalculus37> cars: You should see the flexibility you have now with sound settings.
21.24.29 Join    spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
21.24.36 Join    toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net)
21.24.52 #       <jayto> and he can't use it im honist i donno what it is
21.25.08 #       <jayto> he just gets all back out of the menu or pops the contex menu up or
21.25.36 #       <jayto> i just gota configure it right i guss
21.26.27 #       <jayto> does rock box fully work on ipods like have all of what the ipods firmware does
21.26.57 #       <bluebrother> no
21.27.15 #       <bluebrother> for example, it doesn't have full usb yet.
21.27.22 #       <jayto> i really want to replace ipods firemware
21.27.25 #       <jayto> yes i know that
21.27.36 Join    mirak [0] (n=mirak@m135.net81-66-75.noos.fr)
21.27.45 #       <scorche|sh> jayto: have you had a look at the manual?
21.27.46 #       <bluebrother> well, check the manual and see if you're something missing from the appleos.
21.27.58 #       <jayto> yeah
21.28.02 #       <cars> It's working on my 2nd gen, however.  I checked out Rockbox a couple years ago or so and they didn't have support for it.  Now they do.
21.28.09 #       <jayto> i read it quite a bit
21.28.36 #       <jayto> umm my 1 gen nano works good
21.28.57 #       <jayto> its just i donno he keeps hallerin he wants to go back to itunes
21.29.11 #       <jayto> and i no like them
21.29.52 #       <jayto> i just have turble finding a music mannager for editing his music tags and updating the songs to his ipode
21.30.27 #       <jayto> i have to manually edit the filenames and manually copy the files to the folder and replace to old ones
21.30.53 #       <jayto> but if i do that will it replace to old ones or just put the recent copys ther beside the old ones
21.32.12 #       <jayto> me i can't store a lot of song on mine its 1 gig so i just dleate and start new
21.32.26 Quit    Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21.32.46 #       <scorche|sh> it sounds like you are looking for music management software rather than help with rockbox..
21.33.01 #       <jayto> no lol
21.33.09 #       <jayto> im sorry
21.33.38 Quit    toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21.33.49 #       <jayto> i have problems like i was trying to play a song on his but it keeped freaseing
21.34.10 Join    toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net)
21.34.16 #       <jayto> i donno ill figure it out
21.34.19 #       <Febs> jayto, before you continue, would you kindly take a look at our channel guidelines?  http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines
21.34.25 Quit    Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents")
21.34.26 #       <jayto> now i know thers good help on the irc chat
21.34.45 #       <jayto> yeah ill look at that
21.34.54 Quit    tvelocity_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21.35.23 #       <jayto> just i saw no one talkin so i just rambled sorry if i did somting anoying
21.35.46 #       <LambdaCalculus37> I already ran Rockbox on my dad's 4G greyscale, and he never had any problems with it, other than short battery life and lack of a USB mode.
21.36.01 #       <BigBambi> jayto: Please try to type properly, it is very difficult to understand you
21.36.05 #       <jayto> hmm
21.36.16 #       <jayto> ok i will
21.36.29 #       <gevaerts> What does cpu_idle_mode() do ?
21.36.31 #       <BigBambi> And make sure to read those guidelines, they exist for a reason
21.36.54 #       <jayto> i understand i pramas ill read them
21.37.20 #       <BigBambi> *promise (I think), I'll
21.37.35 #       <jayto> ....
21.37.38 #       <bluebrother> and btw, if someone doesn't want to use Rockbox, why force him? There is no benefit from that.
21.37.51 #       <jayto> ive read rules for manny irc rooms
21.38.10 #       <BigBambi> jayto: We have a lot of blind users that rely on screen readers, and non-native english speakers that rely on translation software.  What you just wrote was unintelligible.
21.38.11 #       <jayto> well his music gets cramed into itunes folder and umm...
21.38.13 #       <jayto> i was just trying to hel
21.38.20 #       <LambdaCalculus37> jayto: Please keep in mind, though, that this is a developer-oriented channel too.
21.38.26 Quit    linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21.38.31 #       <LambdaCalculus37> This is getting logged... all of it.
21.38.38 #       <BigBambi> jayto: Well please read ours, and PLEASE proof read what you are typing
21.39.54 #       <jayto> ok i got it now
21.40.24 #       <cars> LambdaCalculus37, What do you mean when you said, "lack of a USB mode?"
21.40.35 Quit    XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21.40.54 #       <BigBambi> cars: Rockbox on portalplayer targets doesn't yet have a native USB mode
21.41.02 #       <LambdaCalculus37> cars: We're working on a full, proper USB stack for PortalPlayer targets. Until it's complete, we need to keep using the OF for any USB transfers.
21.41.26 #       <BigBambi> LambdaCalculus37: The royal 'we' there? :)
21.41.39 #       <pixelma> I'm not sure it'll help him on a firewire 2nd gen Ipod
21.41.57 #       <LambdaCalculus37> BigBambi: :)
21.42.00 #       <BigBambi> heh, I just jumped in at the last point
21.42.35 #       <BigBambi> pixelma: But LambdaCalculus37 was talking to jayto saying he had no problems on a 4th gen except those he listed
21.42.48 #       <BigBambi> which included the lack of USB as of yet
21.43.16 #       <pixelma> umm... thought you were talking to cars :)
21.43.32 #       <BigBambi> :)
21.43.45 #       <cars> LambdaCalculus37: No, it won't help me.  I was just curious as to what you meant.  On that topic, do I have to shutdown Rockbox before I connect it wifh FW to the computer?
21.44.19 #       <gevaerts> Speaking of firewire : the pp502x usb detect function also checks for firewire on some (all?) ipods, which triggers a reboot (or maybe charge, if you press the button). I assume that logic is to be kept, but IMHO it has to move somewhere else.
21.44.57 #       <LambdaCalculus37> cars: I never used a 1st or 2nd gen iPod with Rockbox, so I can't really tell you. Perhaps someone with a FireWire iPod can help.
21.45.52 #       <Llorean> gevaerts: Yes, it should be kept in the iPods where it happens. If moving is necessary, then it probably should be moved.
21.45.58 Quit    jayto ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
21.47.04 #       <cars> It seems to reboot on mine when I connect it.  As Rockbox is *not* based on linux, is there any problem with unexpected shutdowns or reboots?
21.47.15 #       <gevaerts> cars: if that's ipod mini (I don't know ipods...) the code treats that the same as USB plug-in, i.e. it should reboot cleanly to diskmode.
21.47.43 #       <cars> It's a 2nd gen Ipod from 2002.
21.48.40 Quit    Doomed_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21.48.44 Join    alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
21.48.49 #       <Llorean> cars: It's not unexpected, I think. It's supposed to.
21.48.54 #       <preglow> gevaerts: what, you're not going to code us firewire support? :P
21.49.33 #       <desowin> gevaerts: atleast sansa doesn't charge automagically, and current charging in rockbox doesn't give good results (the battery percentage on screen rapidly goes up to 100, but battery isn't really charged that much) (take note I'm not familiar with usb stuff too much)
21.49.55 #       * gevaerts knows absolutely nothing about firewire, except that it also uses SCSI commands for storage stuff
21.50.28 #       <gevaerts> desowin: thanks. I guess I'll go through that once everything else works.
21.50.35 Join    Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht)
21.51.50 Quit    perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
21.52.06 Quit    freqmod__nx (Remote closed the connection)
21.52.59 Join    freqmod__nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no)
21.53.17 #       <gevaerts> Llorean: it has to be moved. It currently pretends to get a usb connect, which triggers a reboot (in the old behaviour).
21.53.35 #       <preglow> gevaerts: not to mention that we know absolutely nothing about the firewire interface
21.53.44 #       <pixelma> desowin: the voltage is probably measured at the wrong "place", if you insert the charger the battery info debug screen reports impossible values of 4,6 volts and growing
21.53.46 #       <preglow> though it would not surprise me if that too is taken from some other vendor as well
21.54.01 #       <bluebrother> preglow: isn't the firewire chip known (at least for some old Ipods)?
21.54.04 #       <preglow> i wonder who actually provided the usb core part
21.54.13 Quit    ally_oxxoo ("Ex-Chat")
21.54.16 #       <preglow> bluebrother: oh, so it's an entire chip of its own?
21.54.40 #       <bluebrother> I thought to remember reading it on IPL's wiki
21.54.43 #       <preglow> bluebrother: then it's different, of course
21.54.53 #       * bluebrother goes checking
21.55.17 #       <gevaerts> Nearly certainly. I don't think the portalplayer product briefs mention firewire, and it's not something you can implement by toggling GPIOs
21.55.48 #       <LambdaCalculus37> Time to go home. Good night!
21.56.29 Quit    freqmod__nx (Remote closed the connection)
21.56.32 Quit    freqmod_nx (Remote closed the connection)
21.56.51 #       <bluebrother> IPL lists TSB41 and TSB43 as FW chips
21.57.01 Join    freqmod_nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no)
21.57.03 Quit    LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)")
21.57.52 Quit    desowin ()
21.58.32 #       * bluebrother thinks a "reconfigure" option would be nice.
21.58.57 #       <JdGordon|w> reconfigure?
21.59.15 #       <bluebrother> yep, run configure and automatically use the old selection.
21.59.30 #       <bluebrother> just needed to re-run it because of the lang changes to the build system.
22.00.28 #       <JdGordon|w> ok, im probably the laziest person in the room and not even I think htats worth the effort :p
22.01.01 #       <Bagder> we used to have that
22.01.15 #       <Bagder> but it was hard to keep working when configure things changed
22.01.32 #       <bluebrother> too bad :(
22.01.34 #       <gevaerts> TSB41 and TSB43 seem to have datasheets. Any volunteers ?
22.01.41 Join    perrikwp [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39b362734005b733)
22.02.04 Join    magmaniac [0] (n=nobody@p5B0717EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
22.02.12 #       <bluebrother> hmm, my Ipod even has firewire support ...
22.02.41 Join    Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7B41.dip.t-dialin.net)
22.03.11 #       * bluebrother looks around for more spare time
22.05.21 Quit    n1s ()
22.06.56 Quit    nicktastique ("Leaving")
22.17.56 Quit    bluebrother ("leaving")
22.22.09 Quit    GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
22.23.57 #       * gevaerts has now improved the code so much that it doesn't finish booting any more
22.24.17 #       <dionoea> seems to be the ultimate method to prevent data corruption
22.24.51 #       <preglow> i don't think my nano even has firewire support
22.24.55 #       <dionoea> Anyone going to FOSDEM this weekend?
22.25.13 #       <gevaerts> I might. Not sure yet
22.25.25 #       <Bagder> I wish I would...
22.27.41 #       <dionoea> Hum, so I'm not likely to run into many rockbox people :)
22.28.12 #       <Bagder> what a relief! ;-)
22.28.21 #       <dionoea> indeed :D
22.29.13 #       <dionoea> Just in case: I'll be one of the dudes with a "Get VLC!" tshirt.
22.31.02 #       * gevaerts already has vlc
22.34.02 #       <gevaerts> Does RoLo take always give a clean environment (interrupts,...) ?
22.34.25 Quit    kfazz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22.35.53 Quit    mf0102 ("Verlassend")
22.42.25 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22.42.36 Quit    Axio ()
22.43.03 Join    w1ll14m [0] (n=w1ll14m@a222060.upc-a.chello.nl)
22.43.46 #       <preglow> hmm
22.43.47 #       <preglow> good question
22.44.54 #       <JdGordon|w> RoLo does the full init so it should put it in a stable/known state.. shouldnt it?
22.46.05 #       <petur> amiconn: I found some interesting comment regarding powermanagement in some open source project: they write that power management is supported if the correct identify bit is on (like we do), and the current setting is other than zero. I haven't seen that last requirement anywhere...
22.47.26 #       <w1ll14m> i'm thinking about getting some nice headphones, has anyone used a headphone with about 62 Ohms on an rockboxed ipod ?
22.47.35 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: I hope so. It's just that I get hangs on usb controller init when I do that in the boot sequence. I wondered if they would also happen on real boot (but I don't really want to try that, much more work...)
22.47.56 #       <scorche|sh> w1ll14m: sorry, but im not sure how exactly this relates to rockbox
22.48.32 #       <w1ll14m> well, the volume between a normal ipod and a rockboxed ipod differs a lot
22.48.35 #       <petur> amiconn: nevermind that...
22.48.49 Quit    framo ("moo")
22.48.50 #       <w1ll14m> i was wondering if i should even consider this
22.49.02 #       <preglow> only difference is rockbox goes a bit louder, i think
22.49.14 #       <scorche|sh> with clipping as the likely price
22.49.23 #       <preglow> not in eu ipods
22.49.27 #       <preglow> they're limited lower than that
22.49.30 #       <scorche|sh> ah yes...the limit
22.50.04 #       <w1ll14m> what limit ? rockbox goes so loud on my ipod that i could easily blow my ears out...
22.50.19 #       <w1ll14m> then you would have to deal with clippings as you said...
22.50.37 #       <scorche|sh> so dont turn it up that loud?
22.50.51 #       <w1ll14m> i won't... but my ipod is eu.. limit ?
22.51.21 Join    MajorC [0] (n=MajorC@host183-38.bornet.net)
22.51.28 Join    Doomed_ [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net)
22.51.29 #       <scorche|sh> eu devices are limited to a maximum perceived decibel amount
22.51.31 Quit    alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22.51.42 #       <w1ll14m> is that a softlimit ?
22.51.44 #       <scorche|sh> so, yes rockbox will be louder on those devices
22.51.45 #       <w1ll14m> or a hard one?
22.52.01 Join    framo [0] (n=framo@bb-87-80-66-156.ukonline.co.uk)
22.52.11 #       <w1ll14m> aha....
22.52.14 #       * scorche|sh wonders how volume could be a softlimit
22.52.26 #       <w1ll14m> the ipod does that standard
22.52.55 Join    saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ab1f0ef156c7a651)
22.52.58 #       <w1ll14m> they also provide volume correction on special songs...
22.53.44 #       <w1ll14m> i've read somewhere that you can change the output strength of the dac so it can supply speakers audio instead of a headphone ?
22.54.19 #       <w1ll14m> or am i wrong ?
22.54.31 #       * gevaerts now gets a USB connect screen on connecting. Things are going the right way
22.54.45 #       <w1ll14m> btw the new usb stack roXX
22.54.53 #       <w1ll14m> it worked a little today on my ipod ;)
22.55.17 #       <scorche|sh> w1ll14m: you mean without an amp?....you are pretty much always going to need another amp for proper speakers
22.55.18 #       <dionoea> Is it possible to change a partition's uuid? (this isn't really rockbox specific)
22.56.02 #       <preglow> w1ll14m: some ipods codec chips do support feeding a speaker, yes, but not a big one
22.56.41 #       <w1ll14m> preglow: then that could solve my problem if i get these *heavy* head phones
22.57.06 #       <scorche|sh> w1ll14m: so what exactly is the issue you are concerned with?
22.57.09 Join    matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se)
22.57.55 #       <w1ll14m> i'm concerned about spending 299 euro's on an expensive headphones and not beable to listen to these with volumes above -30db
22.58.04 #       <w1ll14m> because of the clipping
22.58.41 #       <scorche|sh> 62 Ohms should be just fine
22.58.47 #       <w1ll14m> Seriously ?
22.58.55 #       <w1ll14m> that would be nice ;)
22.59.15 #       <w1ll14m> i'm going to sriously consider this one.....
22.59.22 #       <scorche|sh> if you were around the 300s you might want to get an amp depending on how you listen...
23.00.02 #       <w1ll14m> nice
23.01.27 Quit    Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23.01.37 #       <preglow> w1ll14m: no, the chip can only feed _one_ speaker, afaik
23.02.19 #       <gevaerts> w1ll14m: Why don't you just take your ipod to a shop and try them ?
23.02.19 #       <preglow> you probably won't get clipping anyway, bit the volume will be pretty low no matter how you tweak it
23.02.28 #       <preglow> what he said
23.03.10 Join    jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
23.09.36 Quit    Phill ()
23.11.09 Quit    jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.16.42 #       <gevaerts> The new code seems to work, but is so asynchronous and event-driven that I don't know where to insert this button detection
23.17.07 #       <JdGordon|w> which is why it shuoldnt be used
23.17.19 #       <JdGordon|w> i mean... why a button shouldnt be used
23.17.25 #       * gevaerts understood
23.18.01 #       <petur> more batteries for JdGordon's keyboard :)
23.18.13 #       <JdGordon|w> probablyt the best thing to do is broadcast USB_ATTACHED and then in the defauklt event handler (misc.c) do the button check
23.18.13 Quit    davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.18.21 #       <JdGordon|w> petur: this one is wired
23.18.37 #       <w1ll14m> G night all
23.19.04 Join    davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com)
23.19.05 Nick    w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14|away (n=w1ll14m@a222060.upc-a.chello.nl)
23.19.09 Nick    w1ll14|away is now known as w1ll14m|away (n=w1ll14m@a222060.upc-a.chello.nl)
23.19.29 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: usb attached -> default stuff happens untill something handles the message -> usb_screen() (or however the actual usb handleing starts) eventually called?
23.19.37 Quit    matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.21.08 Quit    ol_schoola ()
23.21.38 #       <gevaerts> What now happens is that the controller signals a port connect, on this the code asks everyone to back off the disk, after which we can allow usb_storage. In the meantime, a control request has come in asking for the configuration descriptor. That means that basically the port connect event is too late to decide this.
23.21.58 #       <gevaerts> How long can it take for "everyone" to back off the disk ?
23.22.40 #       <JdGordon|w> could take a while... some loops ignore the usb connected message (naughtily!)
23.22.51 #       <JdGordon|w> which means the main thread wont reply saying its good to go
23.23.04 #       * JdGordon|w hopes he isnt getting everything completly wrong :p
23.23.49 #       <gevaerts> ... which means we make the host wait for a long time during enumeration. That shouldn't ever be done.
23.23.55 #       <JdGordon|w> can you reply with some dummy configuration descrption and then when you know how it wants to be handled drop the connection and reconnect?
23.24.47 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: I'm not sure. Anyway that's really not clean at all.
23.25.08 #       <petur> gevaerts: in the case of hardware USB controllers (like iriver h100/h300) the controller also has to wait until all threads are ready
23.25.23 #       <petur> I don't know  what the hw controller does
23.25.32 #       <JdGordon|w> I dont know how usb works, you cant say "I just want to charge" untill it actually knows what it wants to do?
23.25.42 #       <petur> it just signals the connection on a pin iirc
23.26.24 #       <gevaerts> JdGordon|w: You need to send back a configuration descriptor that says you want 500 mA. Otherwise you can only use 100, or get cut off entirely.
23.26.55 Join    Ibycu1 [0] (n=sam@resnet-187765.resnet.bris.ac.uk)
23.27.00 #       <JdGordon|w> and once thats done, can you reconnect programatically to get ums?
23.27.04 Part    Ibycu1
23.27.55 Quit    GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.28.15 #       <gevaerts> petur: that's what it used to do here as well. I now use the port change interrupt instead of polling the pin (this requires the usb controller to be enabled all the time, but that shouldn't be a problem as it knows about suspend states... I hope)
23.28.22 Quit    FOAD ("I'll be back")
23.28.40 Join    FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net)
23.30.06 #       <gevaerts> Maybe there is a way out : check for the button in the code that actually sends back the config descriptor, and remember if there were disconnects since last time (bus resets don't count, only actual disconnects)
23.30.45 #       * gevaerts goes off to try that
23.33.04 Join    matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se)
23.33.10 Quit    OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection)
23.37.01 Quit    Rondom ("Ex-Chat")
23.37.15 Quit    petur ("gonne")
23.39.09 Join    m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-71-6.dsl.telesp.net.br)
23.40.26 Quit    homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.43.09 #       * gevaerts now gets a USB connection screen without actually connecting
23.47.12 Quit    jgarvey ("Leaving")
23.51.42 #       <magmaniac> Hello. I have a question regarding Flyspray. Is it normal that one can't select the severity?
23.52.16 #       <magmaniac> I mean when adding a new task.
23.52.23 #       <JdGordon|w> gevaerts: hehe nice :)
23.52.36 #       <JdGordon|w> magmaniac: I havnt tried, but probably is normal
23.52.48 #       <JdGordon|w> only devs have a reason to change severity
23.54.42 #       <magmaniac> It's just that there *is* a dropdown list, though an empty one, but the choices "critical ... very low" are written *next* to this dropdown list
23.56.21 #       <JdGordon|w> can you add a comment to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7194 about that?
23.57.32 #       <magmaniac> OK, will do after I filed my actual task.
23.58.19 Join    cheetah65 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-47-73-144.dsl.applwi.sbcglobal.net)
23.58.30 Part    cheetah65