--- Log for 22.02.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 13 hours ago 00.03.04 # aliask : take a look here http://www.pengutronix.de/software/linux-i.MX/download/i.MX27/v2.6/linux-2.6.24-rc5-ptxmxc2/ 00.03.04 Quit tvelocity__ ("Αποχώρησε") 00.03.53 Join [1]Falafel [0] (n=Falafel@221pc220.sshunet.nl) 00.04.08 # aliask : you will find the definition for all the register for the mc13783 ( or almost all), I will try to browse all the file and update the wiki 00.05.09 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.05.34 Quit framo (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.05.34 Quit freqmod_nx (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit ompaul (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit gevaerts (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit dan_a (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit csc` (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit Falafel (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit tchan (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit Nevtus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit Neskaya (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit Galois (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit Addicted (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.34 Quit n17ikh (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.35 Quit martii (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.38 Nick [1]Falafel is now known as Falafel (n=Falafel@221pc220.sshunet.nl) 00.06.27 # JdGordon|w: someone already reported this at the flyspray metabug 8 months ago 00.06.35 Quit matsl_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.07.39 Join Neskaya [0] (i=featherd@carpathia.dereferenced.org) 00.07.40 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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00.43.14 # I follded the link and it leads to a page then it directs me to the wiki 00.43.27 # What DAP? 00.43.48 # DAP? 00.43.50 # what device do you have? 00.43.53 # Sansa 00.43.54 # And I assume you are using the manual for the install instructions? 00.43.57 # Sansa what? 00.43.59 # e280 00.44.05 # version 1 or 2? 00.44.09 # 1 00.44.29 # And you are following the instructions in the manual? 00.44.36 # yea 00.44.37 # did you format your device? 00.44.40 # let me explain what happened 00.44.59 # my sansa stopped charging 00.45.03 # and I thought it was the battery 00.45.14 # and so I ended up buy one 00.45.16 # and it wasn't the case 00.45.24 # the sansa caught a usb virus 00.45.56 # huh? 00.45.57 # and my antivirus was able to pick it up and then deleted it and so now my battery won't recarge 00.46.04 # The sansa can't catch a virus. 00.46.08 # really? 00.46.19 # I swear my anti virus picked up something on the sansa 00.46.28 # it was like an autorun usb virus 00.46.29 # areu sure? 00.46.34 # virii need to be specifically designed for whatever their intended target is 00.46.52 # well this virus was for usb divices 00.46.56 # there could have been a virus for windows on there, but nothing could "infect" the sansa 00.47.03 # yea 00.47.03 # it isnt that simple 00.47.11 # ok 00.47.13 # then 00.47.19 # something is wrong with my sansa 00.47.20 # every device is different...not just "usb devices" 00.47.29 # it won't charge but it's not the battery 00.47.46 # ok well, anyhow if that isn't the case then 00.48.04 # noob: you can have a virus in a file on your sansa. but it'll be a computer virus, and won't affect the sansa itself. 00.48.07 # I was trying to uninstal the rockbox so I can reinstall everything 00.48.26 # ok that's good to know 00.48.41 Quit noob ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 00.48.43 Join noob [0] (n=crazy4nt@guest-wireless-207-151-250-076.usc.edu) 00.49.12 # so I tried to get rid of the bootloader but it's not happening 00.49.32 # I used that Rockbox_Installer_Full.exe 00.50.00 # but it says something to this extent, "Mountpoint not found" please select from the list below 00.50.51 # sorry 00.50.52 # I meant 00.51.01 # rbutilqt.exe 00.51.02 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 00.51.11 # noob: PLEASE use full lines 00.51.56 Quit Doomed_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.52.23 Quit JdGordon|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.55.59 # ok, I meant to say I used rbutilqt.exe and so I tired to uninstall my bootloader, but it keeps saying that sansa is not found, so I tried the drive button and I used "Autodect" But it says "mount point not found" and so I jsut manaully select the drive and push uninstall bootloader and same problem. So I tried to figure how to manually remove the boot loader and I found the Sansapatcher.exe. When I used the patch it says something l 00.58.41 Quit Nevtus ("Gone") 00.58.47 # how did you try to uninstall your bootloader? 00.59.06 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f4173422c9bb647) 01.00.06 # using rbutilqt.exe 01.00.13 Quit JdGordon|w (Client Quit) 01.00.28 # nm 01.00.36 # I think it jsut worked 01.00.39 # hold on 01.01.12 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=836b0049@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-343c2f1ae997451f) 01.01.45 # ok it worked 01.01.54 # sorry about that 01.02.06 Quit ender` (" Microsoft is like a case of herpes. You can't kill it off entirely, just force it to go into a dormant stage for a while.") 01.02.44 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.02.51 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.03.16 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 01.05.06 Join dan_a [0] (n=user@78.32.69.187) 01.05.12 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.07.17 Quit noob ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 01.08.13 # * gevaerts thinks some people might be confused a bit 01.08.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.21 # fairly likely 01.11.00 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 01.11.59 # Although that "usb virus" would explain a fair bit about our high-speed problem 01.15.07 # RockAV? =P 01.17.12 Quit magmaniac ("Leaving") 01.18.23 # * gevaerts wonders why this usb controller sends a port status change interrupt, and then always claims there is a connection 01.19.23 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 01.23.42 # gevaerts: congrats and a massive thankyou for your work on USB 01.24.36 # Evilnick: thanks. There's still a lot to do to make it ready for default inclusion though 01.25.19 # it's just nice to see the progress that you've made in such a short space of time 01.26.16 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.27.50 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 01.28.07 Join Travis__ [0] (n=chatzill@ucomdsl-70-182-234-187.ucom.net) 01.28.19 Nick Travis__ is now known as Sivart0 (n=chatzill@ucomdsl-70-182-234-187.ucom.net) 01.28.39 # hello everybody :) 01.37.02 # * gevaerts decides that this code rework won't be done today, and goes to sleep 01.37.07 Quit gevaerts ("ZZzz..") 01.42.58 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.44.59 Quit Sivart0 ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 01.45.19 Quit Falafel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.54.15 Part toffe82 02.04.33 Nick Neskaya_ is now known as Iaborant (i=featherd@carpathia.dereferenced.org) 02.05.24 Nick Iaborant is now known as Neskaya (i=featherd@wiktionary/neskaya) 02.06.34 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.12.56 Join asn [0] (n=nya~@athedsl-115972.home.otenet.gr) 02.13.30 # How can I *format* my ipod? I'm getting many I/O errors, and it fails on most rsyncs. I think that the filesystems must be corrupted, since I'm using it for over 3 years. 02.15.08 # fsck? 02.16.38 # I can't just wipe the whole thing and start anew? 02.17.25 # you can, but why wouldnt you want to just check it first and see if you can just avoid all that? 02.18.10 # a) I don't care about the stuff currently in. b) Just for the heck of it. 02.18.44 # search for "manual restore" in the wiki...i think it is IpodManualRestore, but i am not sure 02.19.00 # Thank you. 02.23.04 Part pixelma 02.31.34 # I also don't know if I have the 20* or the 13* version of iPod 5G 02.35.58 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 02.41.51 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.42.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.54.20 Quit cars ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.57.42 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.03.59 Join Cardini [0] (n=189fceb0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5688d24f56d9f31d) 03.04.56 # Excuse me, but what I read on Tracker suggests that all RTC players now have an alarm feature. On my Sansa, however, I can find none. 03.06.11 # the tracker either lied or you were looking at a patch 03.06.16 # or a request 03.07.36 # Thank you. So...I've read that one of the patches, if used alone, works on Sansa. Can you refer me to a resource on compiling my own OS + Patch? 03.08.12 # see if this works... 03.08.20 # logbot: explain CrossCompiler 03.08.35 # explain CrossCompiler 03.08.45 # arg... look at the wiki 03.08.57 # I shall. Thank you. 03.09.19 Quit asn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.11.23 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.17.02 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-90-65.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 03.17.44 Quit BitTorment__ ("Do directly to guantanamo bay. Do not pass go. 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Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 05.39.27 # thank you 05.44.43 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.30 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 05.50.41 Quit Makuseru (Remote closed the connection) 05.55.12 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.55.12 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-182.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 05.55.21 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-182.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 05.56.28 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-182.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 06.09.48 Join DC1 [0] (n=dc1@pool-70-107-148-201.ny325.east.verizon.net) 06.11.01 Join cars [0] (n=451de957@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8e546ddc615eaea5) 06.11.33 # When I shut Rockbox down, my 2nd gen Ipod immediately reboots and I have to restart it in using the Apple OS. Is this normal or is there some way I can workaround this behavior? 06.12.22 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 06.12.48 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.12.50 Quit Llorea1 ("Leaving.") 06.14.26 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.22.38 Join toffe82__ [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-89-142.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 06.22.47 Nick toffe82__ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-89-142.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 06.36.21 Quit DC1 ("If Obi-wan ain't home then I don't know what the fsck we're gonna do. I ain't got no other connections on Tattooine.") 06.42.34 Quit toffe82_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.42.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.49.09 # cars: thats normal. the 2nd gen can't shut down and rockbox lacks a sleep mode. i believe amiconn might be working on an implementation 07.12.44 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 07.20.06 Join flyback [0] (n=user@c-24-131-197-176.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 07.20.09 # yo 07.20.17 # any progress on a sansa m series port 07.20.27 # I have fallen in love with my dad's 512 I got him and borrowed 07.20.42 # the 1 gig are on sale $15 recertified 07.20.54 # looks like you've just volunteered! 07.21.00 # heh 07.21.10 # no 07.21.18 # I would help with a port for this $7 player I go 07.21.20 # t 07.21.22 # jwin :P 07.22.22 # you might be able to convince some devs to go out in buy the player, but most porting work is done by people who own the player and want to see rockbox on it 07.22.57 # yeah if I get my own I might do it 07.23.02 # but I won't brick my dad's 07.23.03 # you could ask around on some sansa forums to see if you can round up some people will to try and start a port 07.23.04 # already did that once 07.23.13 # well I saw some stuff on the web page 07.23.18 # duimps of the chip etc 07.23.22 # just curious 07.23.25 # I am not asking for anything 07.23.48 # even the stock firmware isn't bad 07.23.57 # nothing like a juicebox 07.24.01 # or jwin 07.24.02 # as far as i know, no one has taken much of a look at it other than identifying some chips inside 07.24.12 # with a random function that always picks the same songs 07.24.13 # ugh 07.24.18 # the sansa is 100x better 07.24.50 # its running on a telechips chip so it might share some things in common with the other upcoming telechips ports 07.25.00 # there we go 07.25.10 # thats probably where the similarities end 07.25.15 # think I will get myself one and one for a late bday present for my sister 07.25.22 # even stock they aren't bad for $15 07.25.25 # :P 07.25.27 # but anyway i'm off to bed 07.27.20 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.28.48 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 07.31.10 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.31.51 Join toffe82___ [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-138-16-158.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 07.35.01 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLfUldGgQeo&feature=related# <-- shame this series has a wtf ending 07.37.10 # flyback, that is off the topic 07.37.56 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-131-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.39.02 # sorry I did a global msh 07.39.44 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.41.21 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.45.56 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 07.54.38 Quit cars ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.01.50 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.07.46 Join My_Sic [0] (n=3ea13b0f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ccdf133a2c5e5264) 08.09.12 Part toffe82___ 08.15.47 Quit cool_walking_ (" ") 08.27.27 Quit My_Sic ("CGI:IRC") 08.27.33 Join My_Sic [0] (n=3ea13b0f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d5ec443b8224459) 08.29.13 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.37.07 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCFA3E.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.38.32 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.42.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.48.21 Nick B00daW is now known as B--daW (i=ladrao@207-53-196-62.hmps.dynamic-dsl.qis.net) 08.54.43 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.55.20 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.59.41 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.04.32 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.04.39 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.05.38 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.11.20 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de) 09.21.50 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.22.38 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 09.29.19 Join anubisice [0] (n=anubisic@adsl-074-173-021-244.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) 09.31.33 # good evening, I was wondering, after looking at the WPS page, are there WPS for a Sansa C series? 09.31.49 # there are - but not published anywhere useful 09.33.16 # ok, thanks -- i see one in the forum, ill rummage there 09.37.29 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 09.38.49 Quit My_Sic ("CGI:IRC") 09.41.29 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-106-62.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.45.35 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 09.47.07 Quit anubisice (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 09.49.58 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.50.46 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.54.08 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 09.57.45 Join BenniBoya [0] (n=chatzill@203.22.237.64) 09.58.27 # hey, what do i have 2 change to stop rockbox clearing when it boots with the hold switch on 09.58.33 # for ipod nano 09.58.52 # the code 09.59.06 # any idea what file? 09.59.14 # or shouldni just surf 09.59.20 # should* 10.00.21 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.00.58 # i would likely have to do the same processes that you could to find it precisely, so if i were you, i would either make handy use of grep or just wait around until someone comes around who happens to know offhand 10.01.19 # grep? 10.01.34 # whats that? 10.01.41 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep 10.03.39 # bootloader/ipod.c 10.05.19 # kk thx 10.05.26 # im in ubnut and cant dind my path file 10.05.39 # your path file ? 10.05.41 # wtf is that ? 10.05.55 # uuh i ran rockboxdev.sh 10.06.08 # at the end it said add the arm-elf dir to you "path file" 10.06.16 # i thinks its ment 2 be in etc but it isnt 10.06.37 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 10.07.02 # hmm - actually - that's completely the wrong file 10.07.42 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B160E0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.08.08 # it said path file 10.08.15 # i had to o the same in my old distro\ 10.08.42 Join ChristineTham [0] (n=7cbd2209@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a51e8dc563b26c45) 10.08.49 # BenniBoya: I've added the path in my ~/.bashrc file 10.08.58 # hello 10.09.07 # hi ChristineTham 10.09.14 # does anyone know how to open a gigabeat x60 10.09.16 # ? 10.09.44 # i have unscrewed the three screws that i can find, but the back casing still won't budge 10.09.50 # I think toffe might know, but he's not here right now 10.10.24 # yo markun, wheres that? 10.10.38 # BenniBoya: ~/ means your home directory 10.10.48 # BenniBoya: the file you wanted is actually apps/main.c too 10.12.57 Quit BenniBoya ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007100814]") 10.14.38 # i'm looking at the pictures of a disassembled X60 on the gigabeatinfo wiki page, and apparently there are a few hinges on the back cover 10.17.26 Quit jhulst_ ("Konversation terminated!") 10.22.24 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 10.24.14 # GodEater: I thought he was asksing where to add the path to the cross compiler binaries.. 10.26.04 # he was, and he was also asking where to change the hold switch behaviour for resetting your settings 10.27.22 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 10.27.23 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.148.67) 10.30.11 Join hamdiya [0] (i=c3e5ecd8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc63787c733d4bc7) 10.30.42 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.31.51 # is there a tag separator for wps files? 10.35.24 # you asked that yesterday, and the answer is still no 10.36.04 # never got an answer afair 10.37.07 # I don't even understand what a tag separator should be... 10.39.13 # like instead of having several %xl (e.g.) on several lines 10.39.29 # why not be able to put them all in one line but seperated by a special character 10.41.10 # ok, understood now - but GodEater is right, there is none 10.42.29 # and I also don't see a benefit of such a thing, putting them on different lines make it more readable for me 10.42.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.44.46 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.44.47 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 10.50.03 Join Obie [0] (i=Obie@c-24-21-130-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 10.51.21 Part Obie 10.57.30 Quit ChristineTham ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.16.08 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 11.21.45 Quit hamdiya ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.28.49 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 11.29.52 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.37.38 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 11.40.26 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 11.42.30 # http://pastebin.com/m6a71e9e <-- USB throughput measurements from a 5.5G 80GB ipod - if anyone is interested ;) 11.43.33 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.45.26 # something makes me think they're using full speed 11.45.51 # i guess you mean high speed 11.46.14 # interesting difference though between EDM and the full OF 11.46.38 # * GodEater would be interested to see the same test from other PP devices 11.47.31 # I might go start a wiki page for other results 11.56.08 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 11.56.39 # LinusN: a just gathered from the name that you didn't get any higher than full-speed... 11.56.53 # nice to hear there's another badly named thing out there 11.57.02 # it's really silly 11.57.04 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 11.58.28 # damn, the ipod fm radio remote is totally dead when i connect it 11.58.47 # and i still can't transmit on the serial port :-( 11.59.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbPerformance 11.59.37 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955FA0A.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.00.15 # feel free to add to it 12.00.44 # i'd just be depressed if i did 12.00.57 # like anything relating to ipod nano ata performance does 12.01.47 # I thought that just sucked in EDM ? 12.04.57 # preglow: USB 3.0 will introduce super speed, which will be higher than both full and high speed! 12.05.35 # (not joking) 12.07.16 # whats after super? 12.07.19 # hyper? 12.07.44 # XD 12.10.52 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.13.32 # I suppose USB 4.0 will then introduce two speeds "regular" and "extra", both of which will be faster than super 12.13.51 # Just to make sure sanity stays at a minimum 12.14.11 # full, high, super, regular, extra.... 12.15.07 # (that was a joke though) 12.15.34 # of course, but that doesnt mean it is unlikely due to current trends.. 12.15.45 # Indeed 12.19.43 # rasher: you forget "ribbed for her pleasure" :) 12.34.09 Join BenniBoya [0] (n=chatzill@203.22.237.64) 12.34.17 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.34.28 # yo, can someone help em with patching, i dont flly understand it 12.34.28 # full, high, super, regular, extra, ribber for her pleasure 12.34.35 # you know, that sounds plausible, and that's the scary part 12.34.42 # ribbed, even 12.35.01 # thank god *someone* thinks so to 12.36.10 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.36.41 # `can someone explain to me how t patch? 12.36.56 # we heard you the first time 12.37.36 # soz 12.38.28 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 12.38.37 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.42.20 Join houbysoft [0] (n=jan@30.255.broadband5.iol.cz) 12.42.36 # could someone just explain the paramaters of patch for me even? 12.42.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.42.59 # patch -p0 < patchname 12.43.09 # there are sources on the web for this kind of info, like google 12.43.32 # And here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 12.44.11 # must i be in the directory of what i am patching? 12.44.26 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 12.44.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 12.44.49 # Open up the patch file in a text editor - you'll see the filenames that the patch is modifying. So your location needs to match those filenames. 12.45.07 # e.g. if the patch contains "apps/main.c", then you'll need to be the same directory that "apps" is. 12.45.49 # kk gotya 12.53.03 # can some1 remind me wat the path command is 12.53.09 # w8 dw i got it 12.53.45 # can you *PLEASE* speak english 12.54.25 # could you remind me of what the command your ent to put into .bashrc to get arm-elf to work? 12.55.16 # that would depend entirely on where you installed your arm-elf toolchain to 12.55.47 # i used rockboxdev.sh 12.55.54 # running from my build folder 12.56.50 Quit Siku () 12.57.46 # rockboxdev.sh offers two choices for install location 12.58.33 Join webguest88 [0] (n=d92dc1e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c3cc640c44321381) 12.58.33 # it did ti automaticly for me 12.58.49 # i just asked me to add the directory to path 12.58.55 # it* 12.59.54 # well you can try "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" 13.00.37 Quit webguest88 (Client Quit) 13.00.39 # thats the one neede 13.00.49 # so type export + the path in terminal? 13.01.04 # Type everything GodEater put between quotes. 13.01.08 # kk ty 13.01.17 # from ym build folder or anywhere 13.01.26 # From anywhere. 13.01.33 # it be perminent? 13.01.48 # But it will be forgotten next time you log in, so add the line to ~/.bashrc to make it run each time you log in. 13.01.56 # ok 13.02.43 # i just added it to the bottom, will that do 13.03.12 # yes 13.03.21 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 13.03.54 # kay thx 13.03.57 # okay thanks 13.04.01 # i fogot the english thing 13.06.12 # cyas 13.06.14 Quit BenniBoya ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007100814]") 13.07.28 Part houbysoft 13.08.19 Join dan_a [0] (n=user@78.32.69.187) 13.12.07 Join j3_hsr [0] (n=j3@oeffnet.den.anuz.net) 13.12.22 # hello 13.12.36 Join BigBambi [0] (n=86ceaf37@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 13.12.45 # are their any plans on developing a port for the 6th gen ipod classic? 13.12.52 # j3_hsr: no 13.12.58 # Febs: you there? 13.13.06 # GodEater: ok thanks 13.13.07 # Yes. 13.13.13 # any specific reason? 13.13.20 # none of us own one 13.13.40 # Febs: Cqn you change people's names of the forum? 13.13.40 Join Jonny88 [0] (n=jonny@cpc1-nfds7-0-0-cust201.lei3.cable.ntl.com) 13.13.47 Part Jonny88 ("Kopete 0.12.6 : http://kopete.kde.org") 13.13.49 # BigBambi: Maybe it's his real name. poor guy 13.14.04 # pondlife: Poor guy indeed 13.14.23 # I don't think so, but let me check and see. I assume if I look at the forum that the person will be obvious? 13.14.27 # Febs: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16378 13.14.41 # ok thats a reason :) 13.14.42 # hahahaha 13.14.46 # Not appropriate for the forum IMO (certainly in the UK anyway) 13.15.12 Quit j3_hsr (Client Quit) 13.15.45 # * linuxstb didn't even notice the name when replying... 13.15.59 # I can't change the username. Llorean or one of the other forum admins would have to do it. 13.16.03 # kay 13.16.07 # BigBambi: He's probably from Newark, no? 13.16.19 # LinusN fills that criteria I believe 13.16.26 # LinusN: ping! 13.16.28 # * pondlife can't think of one without the other... sorry 13.16.40 # pondlife: Me non understqnd 13.16.48 # * pondlife like anagrams... 13.16.52 # * BigBambi apologises for that sentance 13.16.58 # pondlife: aha 13.17.11 # BigBambi: pong 13.17.26 # Now you have the gift, you will never be able to visit Newark again. 13.17.34 # LinusN: Could you change this person's nalme on the forums please? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16378 13.17.47 # It isn't appropriate IMO :) 13.17.59 # is it such a big deal? 13.18.08 # It is pretty rude in the UK, yes 13.18.19 # to whom? 13.18.31 # A lot of people, kids etc. 13.18.33 # To the poster himself, I'd say 13.18.46 # It is swearing, and I don't think we should promote that 13.19.01 # it'd be akin to someone calling themself "fucker" 13.19.04 # i'm not sure letting him have his silly name is "promoting" 13.19.13 # It isn't just silly 13.19.40 # As GodEater says, it is akin to twat or fucker or ... 13.19.44 # GodEater: Regarding USB speed testing, maybe amiconn's "test_disk" plugin could be compiled as a standalone app and run on the host OS? 13.19.54 # I don't find it particularly offensive, but then I don't find swearing offensive. Only hate-speak. 13.20.01 # linuxstb: probably yes 13.20.08 # I'll try it with just a plain dd in the meantime though 13.20.16 # pondlife: Me neither, but many many people do 13.20.24 # That's their problem ;) 13.20.28 # It isn't allowed on daytime TV for instance 13.20.39 # well well, i changed it now 13.20.46 # pondlife: Sure, but I don't think it gives a good impression on the forums 13.21.13 # LinusN: Cheers - I suspect it is worse in the UK than the US, and just think it gives a bad impression 13.21.25 # LinusN: You could have gone for wonker or winker... ;) 13.21.32 # wunker, even 13.21.35 # heh, I love the new one :) 13.21.36 # LinusN: BTW, my build server is alive again, so you can re-enable it if that hasn't been done already (it made a very large video recording in the wrong partition whilst I was away and filled up the disk...). 13.21.54 # i honestly think our constant arguments regarding guidelines gives a lot worse impression 13.22.09 # Maybe 13.22.11 # wow - that wasn't very good english 13.22.15 # LinusN: I agree 13.22.28 # I don't disagree, but that is no reason to leave it there 13.22.35 # But on the other hand, we need some policing to avoid the forums becoming anarchic. 13.23.02 # linuxstb: activated again 13.23.16 # Can any H300 users here repro the bookmark or resume failures? 13.23.19 # I tend to agree on the rules incidently 13.23.34 # i had some awful bookmarking issues on my ipod the other day 13.23.59 # the resume/bookmark code is totally wacko 13.24.05 # I'm more concerned with the resume code, as bookmarking is probably a layer on top of that 13.24.11 # It is 13.24.22 # is it repeatable in the sim? 13.24.34 # I can't make it misbehave at all here. 13.24.37 # Sim or target 13.25.03 # some of my bookmarks never show up in any list 13.25.19 # and it sometimes resumes from the beginning 13.25.34 # those two issues are probably unrelated though 13.25.35 # Bookmarking has long been buggy - but resume seems to be a new-ish (MoB?) issue. 13.25.54 # some claim it has been broken since mob 13.25.55 # If playback is incapable of resuming correctly, it would affect both 13.26.05 # Indeed, it probably has 13.26.19 # Febs: nice thingy ;) 13.26.21 # There is some factor I'm obviously missing 13.26.31 # ;) 13.26.53 # Something that has struck me when I've been implementing codecs is that the resume info seems to be codec-specific. IIRC, for MP3 it stores the offset in bytes (presumably to deal with the MP3 VBR issues), and for most other codecs, seems to store in ms. I'm not sure this is always correct or consistent. i.e. some kind of little "resume API" with codec-specific resume info might be helpful. 13.28.17 # There's a problem where the offset exposed from playback.c to the outside world is the WPS offset (i.e. the position of the position slider). This is stored for resume, but on resume audio_play takes the value as a codec offset. Not quite the same thing 13.28.21 # LinusN, pondlife: resume is broken for me in *some* folders on my c200 (which then exhibit the "skip 3rd track feature") since the spinlock commit (r16105 IIRC) and I couldn't figure out what determines such a broken folder... 13.28.55 # Hmm, I have a fairly flat and simple folder structure. // 13.29.17 # I wonder if I'm lacking variety, or depth. No smart comments, please. 13.29.29 # * pondlife hopes GodEater's not around 13.29.39 # * BigBambi deletes the half written line... 13.30.44 # I only found out that the more RAM Rockbox uses the more folders are broken - I am now running a logf build and even more folders are broken. I put some infos in FS#8520 13.31.07 # Hmm. What sort of buffer size do you have? 13.31.22 # * pondlife wonders if it's a good old buffer wrap issue... 13.31.39 # I'm down to a shocking 25MB here 13.31.51 # Without voice 13.32.49 # while checking for that I found out that voice file present or not does not have an influence on what is shown as buffer size in the rockbox info... 13.33.43 # the current buffer size is reported as 29,741MB in the info screen 13.34.12 # haha 13.34.16 # that's a big buffer 13.34.30 # perhaps i should change my name to something demeaning as well 13.34.52 # pixelma: IIRC the voice buffer is only loaded if you have voice menus or .talk clips enabled 13.35.43 # preglow: how about preblow :-) 13.35.49 # I wish for a debug menu option to list memory usage - aka "where did my buffer go?". 13.35.57 # LinusN: you know, i've gotten that a lot :P 13.36.02 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnd042.ugent.be) 13.36.32 # pondlife: I believe it's initialised if it finds a voice file present and I think it starts speaking without a reboot if I enable the options (because the voice files are present) 13.37.03 # pixelma: I think it just needs to stop and restart playback to allocate, but I may be remembering wrongly. 13.37.56 # anyways, I enabled voice menus just now and the reported buffer size did not change a bit... 13.38.03 # Urgh, having enabled voice menus during playback, I get a nasty distorted voice 13.38.17 # Recognisable - the correct clips, but distorted 13.39.23 # seems it's not the logf build now. I remember now, had to reconfigure after the language buffer commit and didn't chose logf again 13.39.25 # I suspect RBUtil's voice building - a reboot doesn't help 13.39.29 Quit Soap_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.42 # * pondlife hunts a paperclip 13.42.02 # Hard lock on shutting down 13.43.39 # * preglow vanishes 13.47.14 Quit BigBambi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.50.32 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 13.51.11 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C8F3.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.53.16 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 13.53.36 Join petrus [0] (n=petrus@87.17.26.42) 13.53.45 # hi 13.53.48 Nick petrus is now known as DjLaurenz (n=petrus@87.17.26.42) 13.54.32 # is there someone helps me to port a mp3 player for rockbox? 13.54.50 # i'm not a developer but i want to try to port a T-Logic for rockbox 13.55.19 # http://pastebin.ca/913893 13.55.25 # not keen to repeat that with such a large file 13.56.14 # DjLaurenz: Porting Rockbox to a new device is a _lot_ of work - it's only done by developers who own such devices and are interested in using Rockbox on them. 13.56.38 # can't i help in any kind? 13.57.00 # DjLaurenz: Help who? 13.57.35 # So far, only you want to see Rockbox ported to those devices... You need to find owners of those devices and encourage them to port Rockbox. 13.57.48 # mmm... 13.57.50 # i understand... 13.58.33 # i want to port it because t-logic is a good mp3 player but its original firmware is very very bugged 13.59.10 # (sorry for my english, i'm italian :D ) 14.01.58 # thank you, bye bye 14.02.02 Part DjLaurenz ("Konversation terminated!") 14.02.15 # GodEater, linuxstb: I already mentioned the possible use of test_disk for testing USB speed 14.02.23 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1be84266809367f) 14.02.51 # Compile a sim with a modified test_disk that creates its test folder in a sub-folder instead of the root 14.03.23 # Then create a symlink with that name in the sim's archos/ directorsy 14.04.38 # LinusN: Bookmarking and resume seem to be buggy, but only on swcodec 14.04.54 # amiconn: Yes, I remember you saying that. A standalone app would be nicer though... 14.06.52 # GodEater: Around? 14.08.29 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.10.49 Join agm3nt [0] (n=opera@bartek.tu.kielce.pl) 14.14.53 # You can make the sim use any folder as its root with the --root command-line option; might that be helpful? 14.14.55 Quit XavierGr () 14.16.33 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.196.176) 14.17.01 # pondlife: That would mean everything would have to reside on the target's disk, including the sim's .rockbox folder 14.17.14 # But that would work, even in a sub-folder 14.17.30 # Or just install the whole sim in a path on the target disk 14.21.07 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.31.23 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 14.31.44 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-67-168-86-194.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 14.42.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.43.37 Part LinusN 14.49.14 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.48 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.00.05 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98216e29@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e7d66aa3a6cefc7b) 15.00.20 Quit BlakeJohnson87 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.02.15 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.02.32 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.04.04 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@host-216-220-115-197.dsl.bway.net) 15.04.12 Join Gold_Bug [0] (n=chatzill@host-211-190-3-96.midco.net) 15.04.13 Nick Gold_Bug is now known as Gold (n=chatzill@host-211-190-3-96.midco.net) 15.04.27 Nick Gold is now known as GoldBug (n=chatzill@host-211-190-3-96.midco.net) 15.04.28 # petur: ping 15.04.32 # pong 15.04.37 # http://pastebin.com/d72d2fd0c 15.04.43 # is this my fault? 15.04.56 # sansa e200, r16365 15.04.58 # Davide-NYC: pang 15.05.06 # super pang 3 15.05.34 # Stupid question: do I need to reflash my RAM image after extracting my patched build? 15.06.07 # This is in reference to CF card HDD replacement in H1x0 devices (for the logs) 15.06.34 # Davide-NYC: no idea, I never used a flashed RB install because I have an h300 15.07.26 # ah, so then you are having a stable experience without having flashed the rockbox.iriver file to RAM. 15.10.54 # I flashed a modified bootloader to get past the ata -80 15.11.01 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.11.13 # for the rest it is a normal disk install 15.11.49 # petur: would the contents of a debug screen from after an ata -80 error help in solving this? 15.12.04 # nope 15.12.25 # :( what can I do to help? 15.12.43 # I *LOVE* the boot time. It's incredible. Maybe 2 seconds (if that) 15.13.04 # I started a support query with A-Data (doing this from work did yield an initial response but nothing helpfull) 15.13.09 # hi Davide-NYC! 15.13.17 # hello! 15.13.20 # Hey Davide-NYC! 15.13.24 # hellol! 15.13.36 # Hey LambdaCalculus37! 15.13.42 # hi petur! 15.13.48 # Hey petur! 15.13.49 # :) 15.13.50 # must be friday :) 15.13.55 # afternoon 15.14.17 # 1:45 until company drink :D 15.14.24 # Davide-NYC: Have you got a spare HDD to CF adapter on hand? I'd like to see if this mod will work on other targets. 15.14.28 # hell no, it's 9:15am and I gotta get going very soon. (hehe) 15.14.42 # In this weather, Davide-NYC? It's awful out there. :) 15.14.55 # I work two blocks from my house. 15.15.01 # Lucky you. :) 15.15.03 # LambdaCalculus37: the adapters are _very_ cheap on ebay 15.15.05 # :-) 15.15.39 # I'll get some and see if we can even try modding an iPod. 15.15.53 # * petur wonders what kind of length measurement 'blocks' is 15.16.29 # petur: I'll be running the patched build today. Is there anything in particular you can tell me to look out for or pay special attention to? 15.16.43 # none 15.16.53 # OK thanks. Later all ! 15.16.57 # I thought it was very unstable? 15.17.11 # Davide-NYC: See ya! 15.17.13 # Not very. Occaisional intermitent freezing 15.17.21 # ok 15.17.29 # hard to pinpoint what fails 15.17.43 # (when fails?) 15.17.45 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 15.17.48 # permanent lockup or continues after 30 seconds? 15.17.50 # argh 15.19.19 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 15.22.08 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 15.24.13 Join magmaniac [0] (i=foobar@gauss.pci.uni-heidelberg.de) 15.28.33 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 15.32.11 Join Moize [0] (n=user@S01060007e96f1457.wp.shawcable.net) 15.32.17 Join perrikwp|class [0] (i=982136a8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2eb3b7bab4346295) 15.35.11 # greetings I have a question 15.36.02 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.36.25 # GoldBug: welcome 15.36.34 # Hey 15.36.42 # thanks 15.36.45 # I was curious 15.37.11 # i am thinking about getting an Ipod but i HATE ituned 15.37.25 # but i don't see any versions of rockbox for the 160 gb 15.37.39 # And you won't for quite a long tiime, it seems. 15.37.48 # No one is working on porting Rockbox to the iPod Classic. 15.37.49 # I don't think anyone is seriously working on a port for the ipod classic 15.38.04 # sad why is that? 15.38.11 Join Evilnick_work [0] (n=0c140464@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-af2446c11dc9e3e8) 15.38.12 # GoldBug: The 160GB is the so-called "Classic' ipod, which is completely different to other ipods, and hence requires a new Rockbox port which no-one is working on. 15.38.13 # Aren't there a lot of replacements for itunes, if that's the only problem 15.38.40 # not that i am aware of 15.38.42 # Evilnick_work: good morning 15.38.52 # once you go ipod your pretty much locked into it 15.38.55 # Evilnick_work: Morning, Nick! 15.38.57 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 15.39.03 # GoldBug: are you a programmer? 15.39.13 Quit Moize ("Ex-Chat") 15.39.14 # and I have been seriously considering getting an ipod for a while just to put on rockbox 15.39.15 # there are all sorts of iTunes alternatives 15.39.28 # i am a coder not a programmer 15.39.35 # GoldBug: Close enough. 15.39.46 # well lemme clarify 15.40.08 # i can code on a simple lever 15.40.21 # i have never gone down to the level of assembly or working on drivers 15.40.31 # There are some things you can do to help with a port, even if you are not a programmer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 15.40.39 # i am just a hobbist coding 15.40.47 # So are the majority of us. 15.40.49 # GoldBug: You sound like lots of people before they started getting involved with Rockbox... 15.40.49 # most of which he can't do if he doesn't already own the ipod markun ;) 15.41.05 # lol 15.41.25 # well the thing i am most concerned about it bricking a 350 dollar ipod if i screw up 15.41.45 # i just liked the way that rockbox looks it's sexy^^ 15.41.45 # GoldBug: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 15.42.01 # GoldBug: If you have the money to burn, why not do this: buy a supported iPod, like the iPod video. 15.42.05 # Then get a Classic to help do the porting effort. 15.42.21 # GoldBug: If you want to run Rockbox, you should buy a player which is already supported by Rockbox. Sadly that doesn't include any 160GB devices, unless you include the very old Archos devices that use 2.5" hard drives. 15.42.43 # well that is the thing i don't NEED 160 gb 15.42.51 # i just WANT 160 gb =p 15.43.16 # Don't we all? ;) 15.43.26 Quit GodEater ("Ex-Chat") 15.43.34 # * moos is waiting for his new toshiba gigabeat S with a future 120GB disc ;) 15.43.36 # GoldBug: You can buy an 80GB video and upgrade the drive later on. 15.43.46 # markun: Hi there 15.43.49 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 15.44.11 # you can actually replace the hdd and it doesn't freak out>? 15.44.19 # moos: Are 120GB drives easily available currently? 15.44.20 # i spose you are replaceing the OS 15.44.23 # LambdaCalculus37: Hey! 15.44.38 # linuxstb: yup it seems so, around 200$ 15.44.46 # GoldBug: Even without Rockbox, most (if not all) mp3 players can have their hard drives replaced. 15.44.53 # huh 15.45.10 # * GoldBug is mostly ignorant on the subject 15.45.44 # GoldBug: See this page for some info on the topic - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement 15.45.49 # * Evilnick_work has a nice 120GB iPod Video thanks to being able to change HDD 15.46.11 # what kinda drives do they run? laptop hdds? 15.46.20 # 1.8" laptop drives 15.46.25 # GoldBug: See the link I just posted... 15.46.25 # for the most part 15.46.25 # huh 15.46.32 # yea i just loaded it 15.46.41 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.46.46 # Some, like the iPod mini, use 1" Microdrives. 15.48.08 # hmm 15.48.15 # * GoldBug is SERIOUSLY reconsidering 15.48.33 # maybe i should go the 80 gb vid ipod route 15.49.14 # * amiconn wonders what happened to that ata50-zif adapter offer... 15.49.26 # If you're going for capacity then the cheapest way of doing it would be to get the 120GB drive and then get a second-hand iPod video (60 or 80) that has a bad HDD 15.50.01 # nah i really don't need it that much 15.50.18 # and now that i think about it most of the video that i would wanna put on it is subtitled 15.50.26 # I've currently got the best part of 80GB free! 15.50.38 # and it would be hard as hell to read subs on something that is a 2.5" screen 15.50.49 # Evilnick_work: How much did you spend to get your iPod video? 15.51.55 # no the majority of the reasoning behind wanting rockbox is that i don't have to convert any of my files 15.52.25 # LambdaCalculus37: $74.01 15.52.37 # + shipping 15.52.43 # GoldBug: See? Saves you lots of money to get a used video. 15.52.46 # +$200+ for the 120GB drive 15.53.07 # Overall still cheaper than a $349 160GB Classic. 15.53.09 # It was cheaper 'cause the stock HDD wasn't working. 15.53.13 # GoldBug: Are you aware that Rockbox doesn't have support for lots of video codecs? It just plays a very specific type of mpeg-1/2. Rockbox's video playback on the ipod video is also poor (it doesn't use the video decoding hardware on that device). 15.53.31 # Yeah, I suppose so. And as it uses Rockbox, it's FAR superior to the Classic 8) 15.53.41 # i was mostly worried about audio codecs 15.54.13 # GoldBug: Audio codecs we do... (unless the files are encrypted with DRM). 15.54.26 # * GoldBug hisses at DRM 15.54.29 # >,< 15.54.44 # yea that I know 15.55.48 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@70.255.104.121) 15.55.52 # does anybody know how to use serndfirm on windows? 15.57.31 # I don't think it works on windows yet does it ? 15.57.48 # I thought jhMikeS had it working on Windows (or something similar). 15.58.21 Quit GoldBug ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 15.59.00 # linuxstb: Btw, did you check your build server so that it can be reenabled? 15.59.20 # amiconn's not been reading the logs again 15.59.27 # ok, i cant seem to get the driver to work. is it easier to use it in linux? 15.59.28 # he answered that yesterday... 15.59.37 # amiconn: LinusN has now re-enabled it. 15.59.58 # alienbiker99: it's an absolute doddle in linux 16.00.03 # alienbiker99: Yes, it "just works" in Linux... 16.00.19 # * n1s 3rds 16.01.25 # hm ok, i think when i tried to compile it, i ended up with an error 16.02.06 # ypu need libmtp-dev 16.02.13 # s/p/o 16.04.23 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.05.09 # ah ok, ill get it and try to compile again 16.06.41 # http://pastebin.ca/913985 <--- good news for ipod owners! 16.07.36 Quit Evilnick_work ("CGI:IRC") 16.07.43 # wow, the OF isn't very fast 16.07.53 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.08.13 # It's faster than the Emergency Disk Mode now! 16.08.43 # * LambdaCalculus37 buys GodEater a beer 16.08.59 # GodEater: Which iPod is that on? 16.09.04 # 5.5G 80GB 16.09.08 # I was about to say 16.09.11 # I'm just editing my wiki page now 16.09.12 # Those times have to be a video 16.09.22 # Because they're WAY too fast for Nano's emergency disk mode. 16.09.32 # Well, the ratio of E-disk to OF-disk rather. 16.09.34 # GodEater: Want me to try it on my 5.5G 30GB? 16.09.46 # If that's where we're at, I'm in favour of enabling it for Nanos today. =P 16.10.09 # :) 16.10.13 # LambdaCalculus37: by all means 16.10.16 # the more tests the better 16.10.33 # Right. I'll compile a build at home and test. 16.11.01 # * LambdaCalculus37 hopes he gets to leave work early today because of the nasty as hell snowstorm 16.11.51 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving.") 16.11.54 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.13.51 # My test file is 2 Megabytes of "Rockbox!\n" over and over so I could check it had actually appeared in the firmware partition easily 16.14.13 # Llorean: I don't suppose your nano is out of a box somewhere is it ? 16.14.16 # I'm going to try this one: time dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/null bs=32k count=1000 16.14.54 # GodEater: Just to make sure, where do I define #USE_ROCKBOX_USB? 16.15.02 # in the Makefile 16.15.13 # find the line which reads EXTRA_DEFINES= 16.15.19 # and add "-DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB" 16.15.37 # as linuxstb pointed out though - the write tests are the important ones for people 16.15.38 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.15.47 # since it's the use case that'll happen most often 16.16.16 Join remotechief_311 [0] (n=markus@217-162-226-15.dclient.hispeed.ch) 16.16.26 # Okay, got it. 16.16.52 # my next test is writing to the filesystem 16.16.52 # Could I use your test file for when I get to the test? 16.17.08 # sure 16.17.09 # GodEater: No, it isn't. But I'll probably have it found by Monday at the latest, if all goes as intended. 16.17.10 # (Or you can define it in the firmware/export/config-*.h file) 16.17.19 # If I remember that path correctly 16.17.35 # * GodEater thinks the Makefile route is easiest 16.17.45 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.17.58 # You have to redo that when you reconfigure 16.18.41 # true 16.20.19 # GodEater: I'm not sure about the "bs=1" in your tests - IIUC, that means that dd will be writing one byte at a time, and I'm not sure how the kernel would deal with that... 16.21.09 # I can rerun it without 16.21.56 # linuxstb: That means that I shouldn't really use the bs=1 argument then when I dd the test file. 16.21.59 # if you think it makes that much difference 16.22.19 # I think that means you should leave out the count= too 16.22.21 # I would expect it to be much faster with a larger bs 16.22.54 # e.g. ipodpatcher does writes to the device in 32KB chunks, which was much faster than even 512 byte chunks. 16.23.02 # would you suggest giving a value for bs=, or would you let dd decide on it's own ? 16.23.06 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@c-67-168-86-194.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 16.23.17 # afaik, it just defaults to 512. 16.25.05 # well I can test with both 512 and 32k if you want 16.25.11 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 16.27.05 # I just used the bs=1 because it seems to use the value in there for calculating the offset to start writing at 16.27.22 # so if I use a bs=512, I need to rejig the seek= parameter too 16.27.31 # Yes, "skip", "seek" and "count" all use the block size specified by bs 16.27.43 # which is a pain in the arse 16.28.07 # (or obs...) 16.28.19 # * linuxstb hands GodEater a calculator 16.28.35 # I have one thanks 16.30.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 is going for coffee 16.31.11 Part agm3nt 16.32.00 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.253.207) 16.36.54 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.36.55 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.37.03 Part perrikwp|class 16.37.45 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.37.49 Join SimonAdameit [0] (n=simon@rlh.mediascape.de) 16.40.37 # im trying to install this libmtp package in vmware and now its asking me to update the linux kernel, i cant seem to get it to update, any suggestions 16.40.57 # I doubt it'll work from vmware anyway 16.41.12 # the USB support from guest->host in vmware is rudimentary at best 16.41.32 # crap. i just had to delete my linux partition the other day 16.42.21 # You should have deleted the win partition :P 16.42.21 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.42.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.43.38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.43.41 # hmm 16.43.50 # the larger block size tests are less encouraging 16.45.13 # http://pastebin.ca/914024 16.46.09 # I have installed the current build of rockbox for Ipod mini 4th generation according to the manual installation instruction. But when booting I get a "Bad checksum". Here is the bootscreen: http://paste.lisp.org/display/56326 16.47.00 # Umm... Apple never released a 4th generation of the mini. 16.47.02 # SimonAdameit: There isn't a "4th generation" - are you confusing that with a 4GB model? 16.47.30 # I have a 4GB model 16.47.49 # Then you have either a first or second generation mini. Does it say "4GB" on the back? 16.48.05 # yes 16.48.15 # Then get this: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodmini2g/rockbox.zip 16.48.22 # anybody want to have a look to this firmware : http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?scy=US&slg=AEN&cat=MP3_PLAYERS_CA&sct=FLASH_AUDIO_PLAYERS_SU&session=20080221192955_74.0.180.178&grp=PORTABLE_ENTERTAINMENT_GR&ctn=SA9200/17&mid=Link_Software&hlt=Link_Software 16.48.32 # or help me to start with 16.48.36 # LambdaCalculus37: thank you, i will try it 16.48.37 # SimonAdameit: Then it's a "second generation mini" 16.48.51 # GodEater: I wish I had my Nano around. =/ 16.49.45 # it is based on a pp5022 16.50.40 # toffe82: Wonder if it shares hardware with other targets... 16.50.46 # toffe82: I was just about to tell you that.. It looks a bit like the mi4 files. 16.51.36 # toffe82: Yes, it's an "mi4" file. So we should be able to easily run code on that device. 16.51.41 # I will receive it next week and will open it to see the hardware, just wanted to know if it looks like something existing 16.53.40 # Thank you very much. It works now using the right model. 16.53.41 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.54.45 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.54.52 # SimonAdameit: You're welcome. :) 16.57.31 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.168.181) 16.58.08 # linuxstb: what should I do to start to work on it 16.58.20 Part SimonAdameit 16.59.28 # toffe82: Firstly find out the firmware upgrade process, and what recovery procedures there are... 17.00.28 # Plus the obvious task of disassembling it and identifying the components. 17.00.42 # (physically disassembling) 17.01.31 # I look at some stuff on the philips site, and there is a program to update and "repair" also there is a rest button, so it seems impossible to brick it 17.01.35 # toffe82's favourite bit 17.01.49 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.01.52 # ^^reset 17.02.08 Quit Axio (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.02.09 # toffe82: Does "reset" just reboot it, or do more? 17.02.15 # I change from toshiba to philips :) 17.02.52 # Also, does the "update and repair" program require any special button combinations to be pressed on the device (to enter a recovery mode) 17.03.21 Quit petur ("connection reset by beer - very nice beer") 17.04.07 Join SSnake [0] (n=dfsff@host-84-220-194-171.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 17.04.27 # hi all 17.04.36 # Hmm... from the Philips FAQ for the GoGear, it looks like the device is MTP only. 17.04.44 # from the doc : 17.04.46 # In the unlikely event that your player hangs, do not panic. Insert a small pin or other sharp 17.04.47 # object into the reset hole located at the back of the player. Hold until the player shuts down 17.05.30 # where can i find lcd refresh frequencies? 17.06.33 # rockbox got a mention on planet ubuntu :) http://luisbg.blogalia.com//historias/55745 17.06.39 # LambdaCalculus37: Good job we now have a USB driver for portalplayer then... ;) 17.06.49 # do we? 17.06.54 # great to know! 17.07.07 # We are oh so very close to officially including it. 17.07.23 # SSnake: It's still not perfect, but it's functional. Main issue is speed and some bugs with the integration into Rockbox. 17.08.01 # too bad i'm not so great rev eng and not good electronics knowledge 17.08.21 # i think it''d really interesting to develop such thing 17.08.35 # *it'd be 17.09.45 # anyway...nobody can help me? 17.09.48 Join hi [0] (n=5956093e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4bcc2b3fc50608fe) 17.10.14 # the point is i'm limiting refreshing routine to the lcd maximum FPS refresh rate 17.10.35 # to some some cpu cicle and optimize things 17.10.39 # Do you mean the internal refresh frequency, or the speed Rockbox can refresh the LCD? 17.10.42 # hi 17.11.02 # internal, the speed the lcd can support 17.11.13 # is ipod 160Gb supported by rockbox? 17.11.15 # just to avoid unuseful refresch 17.11.21 # hi: No. 17.11.34 # thx 17.11.36 # bye 17.11.48 Quit hi (Client Quit) 17.12.03 # linux don't you know any source to look for in which this problem is considered? 17.12.12 # that's like the 3rd person to ask that today 17.12.15 # * GodEater wonders what's going on 17.13.07 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 17.13.26 # SSnake: No. 17.13.31 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.227.73.192) 17.14.22 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.14.40 # damn! it would be very useful to avoid wasting cpu time in unnedeed refresh cicles 17.14.57 # How often are you updating the LCD at the moment/ 17.15.44 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.15.51 # mmm honestly i don't know: i'm just porting a game from linux to rockbox and i didn't calculate the exact timing refresh 17.16.08 Join LarryFenske [0] (n=d811893a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-04cbffb20d9ecf98) 17.16.20 # probably around 50 or 100hz 17.16.29 # You're much more likely to be struggling to refresh at a high frequency than refreshing too much... 17.17.27 # my quest is to avoid a function call that refresh the lcd if this is not needed 17.18.40 # Depending on the game, there's no reason not to pick a speed even lower than the refresh rate of the screen. 17.18.51 # Something arbitrary like 20, 25, or 30hz. 17.19.51 # Hi. I have been using Rockbox for a while and have recently started using USE_ROCKBOX_USB on my Sansa E200. I would like to add my measurements to the UsbPerformance twiki page and need permission to do so. 17.20.02 # LarryFenske: Sure. What name? 17.20.18 # LarryFenske (I wanted to make it simple!) 17.20.26 # One moment. 17.20.46 # Done. 17.21.07 # Welcome to the wiki! 17.21.30 # ....just to let developers know: the nearest neihbour resize routine works really well! 17.22.08 # i use it in my game and it's capable of resizing a 320x240 buffer to 220x176 realtime in the game 17.22.13 # on a h320 iriver 17.22.52 # While I'm here (assuming this is the appropriate venue), the UsbPerformance page has a table with one entry and one of the columns is for "Emergency Disk Mode". I can't find a reference to such mode in the Sansa. Is it similar to recovery mode or manufacturing mode? 17.22.56 # i adapted to just to support "keep aspect ratio", but it's quite the same code you can find in bmp.c 17.23.08 # LambdaCalculus37, thanks for adding me. 17.23.10 # LarryFenske: there's no such mode on the sansa 17.23.12 Join stewball`ghost [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.171.67) 17.23.18 # so an N/A entry would be appropriate there 17.23.21 # Thanks, GodEater. 17.23.34 # I'm just finalising the filesystem writing performance tables 17.23.40 # so you won't be able to edit the page just yet 17.24.02 # OK, I'll wait. 17.24.28 # * gevaerts points out that bs=1 doesn't match any real-world usage at all. 17.25.18 # http://pastebin.ca/914064 <-- filesystem tests 17.25.27 # gevaerts: hence the later additional tests 17.26.11 # Rockbox UMS peformed better with 1024 byte chunks. 17.26.25 # LarryFenske: ok - all yours 17.26.37 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.42 # SSnake: What are you resizing (and how often)? 17.26.54 # Can you also test 128k blocks ? At least in linux that will be the commn case (for the normal case, sync will be different) 17.27.09 # gevaerts: I was looking for someone to tell me what the default would be 17.27.12 # I'll do those too 17.27.25 # did you notice we beat the EDM in the filesystem tests so far 17.27.44 # @linuxstb: a bitmab buffer of fb_data array 320x240 pixels to fbdata 220x176 pixels 17.28.08 # GodEater: We're kicking ass with the USB test speeds. :) 17.28.36 # well - not quite 17.29.39 Quit courtc (Remote closed the connection) 17.29.40 # but that's definitely an improvement for Rockbox using ipod video owners who don't use the OF to do their transfer work 17.29.42 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 17.29.55 # GodEater: true, but both speeds are horrible. Probably the sync mode kills it all. Maybe measure with time "cp sb_write_test_file /mnt/ipod/Data/usb_test;umount /mnt/ipod) " ? 17.29.57 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 17.30.03 # GodEater: So, would you now consider using Rockbox UMS? 17.30.24 # I mean, to save a reboot to copy a couple of files over, not to do a complete refresh... 17.31.01 # gevaerts: I'll do that too 17.31.05 # SSnake: Yes, but _what_ is in that buffer, and how often do you resize it? 17.31.10 # probably not today though :) 17.31.13 # pondlife: yes I'd use it 17.31.22 # I'd be interested in comparing that to something with a hardware bridge too - you don't have any Archos or Iriver models lying around do you? 17.31.27 # GodEater: of course, you'll have to calculate the speed by hand then... 17.31.52 # gevaerts: I'm sure I'll cope ;) 17.32.05 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955E03B.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.32.36 Join defukt [0] (n=WTFOMGBB@91.106.215.132) 17.32.59 # @linux: it's fb_data! RGB packed values. Honestly i don't know how often: i wanted to make some test with a sort of fps limiter but it's impossible without knowing the lcd refresh rate 17.33.19 # http://pastebin.ca/914076 17.33.25 # thats with 128K blocks 17.33.28 # we still beat EDM 17.33.29 # :) 17.33.41 # @linux: (well not impossible, but it's inaccurate and not portable to other targets) 17.34.33 # * LambdaCalculus37 is missing out on all the fun of testing USB because his laptop's home :( 17.34.44 # * GodEater wouldn't describe it as "fun" 17.35.26 # * GodEater notices LarryFenske has buggered up the wiki page 17.35.50 # no, I tell a lie 17.35.53 # it was HarrisonFu 17.35.55 # whoever that is 17.36.52 # SSnake: Do you mean that the game renders the display at 320x240, and then each lcd update does a resize? 17.37.07 # Jeez, the page is a right mess now! 17.37.18 # thank god for version history 17.37.19 # @linux: yes,exactly 17.38.08 # the game runs just a bit slow without cpu_boost, but absolutely ok with it 17.38.38 # GodEater, that'd be harry tu on the tracker, or countrymonkey in irc. 17.38.48 # SSnake: Well, you're wasting a lot of CPU cycles... 17.38.59 # ...and battery. 17.39.06 # Yeah, if you want to worry about efficiency, I'd tackle rendering in native resolutions before I worried about skipping frames. 17.39.09 # of course i know but it's the most portable way 17.39.33 # Not with some Makefile magic and compile-time processing... 17.39.47 # if not, i'd have to totally reenigneering the game 17.40.18 # Yes, which is normally the best thing to do if you want it to be efficient. 17.40.30 # Do you know how much RAM it's using? 17.40.31 # yeah you 're absoultely right :> 17.40.54 # i'm investigating into this stuff 17.41.21 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6334.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.41.42 # * gevaerts thinks that SSnake has a point. Get it working quickly, commit it, wait for some efficiency expert to like your game. Problem solved... 17.41.53 # after a while if u have play enabled the games stops due to not enough ram 17.42.16 # GodEater: It feels good to be redeemed. 17.42.26 # but i have to investigate better on memory handling 17.42.43 # LarryFenske: sorry, I leapt to conclusions :( 17.42.45 # SSnake: Removing that 320x240 buffer would be a nice start... 17.42.49 # * Llorean wonders what game is being worked on. 17.42.55 # (150KB...) 17.42.56 # linuxstb: Sounds like a leak though if it runs out over time. 17.43.24 # right - no more performance tests for me for today 17.43.31 # besides, the page is still locked 17.43.48 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 17.44.05 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 17.44.29 Quit stewball`ghost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.44.34 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 17.44.40 # GodEater, maybe I'll try tomorrow. Gotta go. Thanks. 17.44.52 # SSnake: what game where you talking about? 17.45.23 # it's a surprise....have to wait two weeks i think 17.46.26 # @linux yeah i have to change data type....2 bytes for every pixel is really too much for the game 17.46.32 # Currently the usb stack is optimised for transfers larger than 32k. Below that the double buffering won't work and disk speed will start to get involved. The larger the better... 17.46.32 Quit LarryFenske ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.47.22 # SSnake: does your irc client not support nick tab completition? 17.47.46 # SSnake: Where do you get memory from? The main audio buffer or the plugin buffer? 17.47.59 # no i'm using opera integrated irc client 17.48.30 # SSnake: You didn't tell me yet of which game you're talking about 17.48.31 # plugin buffer of course, but if there's no play it uses all audio buffer 17.48.42 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@frbg-4dbc57f5.pool.einsundeins.de) 17.48.52 # @kugel: i told you it' a surprise :> 17.49.19 # SSnake: Oh that was directed to me 17.49.44 # * gevaerts remembers SSnake talking about an old school platform game 17.49.44 # maybe I could help you 17.50.31 # SSnake: Why does it use the audio buffer only if there's no playback? Either it needs the memory or it doesn't... 17.50.35 # not now: i'm doing a university work for my thesis. Later i will commit all to svn 17.51.54 # @linux: right question. First i wanted to check memory usage. Second i'm planning to add sound only if playback is stopped (audiobuffer available) 17.51.55 # SSnake: You have commit access? Who are you then? I can't spot your nick on the irc nick table 17.52.10 # no i haven't 17.52.43 # data sound is something around 3MB 17.52.45 # I wonder how you're gonna commit it then :) 17.53.14 # kugel: maybe he has his own repo ;) 17.53.21 Quit defukt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.53.22 # :) 17.53.37 # well.....now it's time to come back to last exam....anyone want to hel me in signal and sistem exam? 17.54.38 # ...i guess nobody wants :> ok seeya later. 17.55.02 # I'm off now cya 17.55.04 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 17.55.05 Part SSnake 17.55.14 # * gevaerts has a speed measurement to make people happy : http://pastebin.ca/914100 17.55.42 # that's just a read right ? 17.55.54 # with the original firmware ? 17.56.07 # * GodEater shows dionoea the door 17.56.19 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033205.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.56.25 # * dionoea opens the door and leaves 17.56.27 # don't let it hit you on the way out ;) 17.56.40 # http://pastebin.ca/914103 also has a write. And this is rockbox 17.56.55 # nice going ;) 17.57.04 # * gevaerts found out what made high speed not work... 17.57.13 # \o/ 17.57.13 # \o/ 17.57.15 # \o/ 17.57.21 # \o/ 17.57.24 # * GodEater wins!!!! 17.57.26 # \o/ 17.57.28 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-870ea85324388c77) 17.57.32 # is it PP being crap 17.57.43 # * Llorean throws a party. 17.57.54 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 17.58.09 # * GodEater thanks gevaerts for rendering all his work today on performance figures for full speed a complete and utter waste of time :) 17.58.26 # GodEater: What else are Friday afternoons for? 17.58.32 # beer in the pub 17.58.35 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 17.58.44 # Don't you at least need to be pretending to work? 17.58.52 # the boss is in Japan 17.59.00 # and the boss's second in command is in Worcester 17.59.03 # so no - not really ;) 17.59.25 # Basically the problem was that the controller got enabled, reset, diabled again, and then on connect pin detect it got enabled again (but no reset) before being initialized. Now I keep it enabled. 17.59.43 # enabled == DEV_EN, reset == DEV_RS 17.59.47 # * GodEater awaits the new code in svn with glee 18.00.19 # * gevaerts reminds GodEater that some people actually will use full speed. Not everyone has a new(ish) pc 18.00.23 # * pixelma is a little late in the \o/ party but joins in anyways :) 18.00.35 # I wonder if there's wiki markup for a big cross across the whole page :) 18.00.42 # very true gevaerts, very true 18.00.45 # I stand corrected 18.01.08 # gevearts: congrats \o/ /o\ \o/ /o\ 18.01.13 # * linuxstb was about to do some speed tests, but will now wait impatiently 18.01.14 # I’m wondering why the battery in my h120 discharges that fast, now I found out that the player needs ~300mA at 3.8V (no backlight, no disk activity) 18.01.20 # jhMikeS: show off ;) 18.01.35 # Does someone have a clue, what might be wrong with it? 18.01.41 # jhMikeS: it's your job to get all this working on the S now :) 18.01.54 # x1jmp: how did you measure? 18.02.26 # n1s: connected a multimeter between a battery wire 18.03.00 # GodEater: I just know it will all go off without a hitch :) 18.03.42 # and on that note - I have to go meet a man about a pint 18.03.48 # have a lovely weekend everyone 18.04.20 # thanks...and have designated driver :) 18.04.22 # I just bought a new 2200mAh battery, but it still plays for about 7h 18.05.34 # x1jmp: 300 mA is quite a bit too much... 18.06.06 # have you enabled the optical out? 18.06.52 # n1s: no, ATM I’m testing with default settings 18.06.57 # * linuxstb gets around 965KB/s reading and 1.0MB/s with the USB driver in SVN (dd to the raw device on an ipod Color) 18.07.54 # x1jmp: is the disk spinning a lot? 18.08.01 # x1jmp: you could check is some chip is getting hot (perhaps power regulator) (only a guess) 18.08.46 # * gevaerts recommends linuxstb to svn update 18.08.49 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 18.08.52 # Oooh... 18.09.19 # I just committed the high-speed fix (nothing else yet, I'm still busy reorganizing code) 18.10.22 # * x1jmp searches for the power regulator ... 18.11.20 # gevaerts: so...RB is going a bit faster than retailos (4.6 vs. 4.5 iirc)? 18.11.29 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 18.11.55 # jhMikeS: I think that's within measurement error. We are slower on write though. 18.12.07 # * gevaerts waits for someone to optimize the SD driver 18.12.30 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.12.36 # the frontpage script still doesn't know about gevaerts's full name... 18.12.39 # gevaerts: The controller should not be kept enabled when there is no usb connection, as it will suck power this way 18.12.43 # I tried to optimize SD writes but the speed always trashed the fat for some reason 18.13.30 # amiconn: my fix doesn't keep it enabled. The first test did, but that's a different story. It was just missing DEV_RS bits when re-enabling 18.13.38 # ah 18.13.42 # Domonoky: the Coldfire is a bit warm, but not very much though 18.14.12 # gevaerts: it's always some little thing like that the causes so much trouble for so long :\ 18.14.46 # gevaerts: Read is now 3.2MB/s on my ipod Color. 18.15.02 # Accidently I had connected ~9V to the DC jack for some seconds, I’m not sure if that could have done some damage to the device 18.15.07 # jhMikeS: it's a good thing that you wanted the threads sorted out. That lead me to this particular code, otherwise I might not have looked at it 18.15.13 # x1jmp: thats it ! 18.15.24 # then its surely the power converter.. 18.15.39 # gevaerts: "bs" seems to make very little difference - bs=512 takes 13.313s, 128KB is 12.793 seconds. 18.16.02 # the hxx0 players are really easy to damage with a wrong voltage /polarity.. 18.16.05 # gevaerts: glad to be of help! :) 18.16.18 Quit n1s () 18.16.19 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.16.28 # gevaerts: woohoo! congrats :) 18.16.31 # x1jmp: you are lucky that it still works.. :-) 18.16.36 # Domonoky: Are they replacable? 18.16.58 # linuxstb: It did make a difference on full speed, because of turnaround times. On high speed the disk is very much the limiting factor, not what you actually do on usb. And bs won't matter much on a PIO disk driver 18.17.09 # gevaerts: Those were reading tests btw 18.17.18 # GodEater: is anyone working on making the USB code work on the Gigabeat S? 18.17.25 # linuxstb: any idea about EDS and/or OF ? 18.17.25 # x1jmp: Depends on what is broken, which is difficult to tell 18.17.33 # gevaerts: I'll test those next... 18.17.48 # x1jmp: if it really is only the powerconverter it should be possible to solder a new one in... perhaps ask LinusN, has has done a few hxx0 repairs i think.. 18.17.50 # gevaerts: I'm just doing a write test now, but that seems to be taking a long time... 18.17.50 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.18.05 # markun: I believe Nico_P had a go but didn't get too far 18.18.16 # gevaerts: I don't expect we'll get usb as fast as the values reported for G5 OF 18.18.30 # where is the power converter on the PCB? 18.18.38 # Our ata driver doesn't use DMA, and afaik nobody knows how to do that 18.18.45 # (on PP) 18.19.05 # * gevaerts goes to have dinner now 18.19.20 # gevaerts: Hmm, writing (bs=512) was 283KB/s, but bs=128k gave 5.4MB/s 18.19.31 # x1jmp: take look at the wiki, it has shematics and pics i think.. 18.20.01 # Haven’t found it there yet 18.20.27 # I think that the S's SDMA interface is also similar. I'm getting the feeling that looking at freescale stuff might shed light on other PP stuff (just a hunch). 18.23.35 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.24.39 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B16107E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.25.44 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.28.50 Quit hannesd (Connection timed out) 18.28.50 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B16107E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.31.39 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.31.40 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.31.48 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.32.04 # whoa...big oops...I mean SDHC, not SDMA :0 18.33.30 # gevaerts: I wonder why the 2 USB devices are handled separately instead of at once 18.33.37 # Initial comparison with Rockbox high-speed UMS vs RetailOS on my ipod color - a 310MB directory of FLACs took 67 seconds to copy in Rockbox, and 29 seconds in RetailOS 18.33.56 # (mount ; cp ; umount) 18.34.25 Join MajorC [0] (n=MajorC@host183-38.bornet.net) 18.34.37 # I would expect the following stuff to work: DEV_EN |= (DEV_USB0|DEV_USB1); DEV_RS &= ~(DEV_USB0|DEV_USB1); 18.35.31 # 6.5 MB/s read on my e260! 18.37.40 # EMD seems identical to RetailOS on my Ipod Color - 29s for the same directory. 18.38.14 # If I recall, we've only had reports of EMD being slower in Video and Nano. 18.38.30 # Yes, but I've never actually tested it before... 18.39.29 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 18.41.08 Quit MajorC () 18.42.09 # Is that LTC3405 the power regulator in the h120? 18.42.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.44.16 # jhMikeS: did you see the link I gave yesterday for the register of the mc13783 ? 18.44.59 Quit magmaniac ("Leaving") 18.45.01 # toffe82: yeah. noone has tried contacting freescale about more detailed info? 18.45.45 # not as I know 18.47.37 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-203-65.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.47.59 Quit remotechief_311 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.49.49 # * barrywardell wonders if it's going to be time to release a new sansa bootloader soon with the new usb code 18.50.22 # barrywardell: Do you mean with the USB stack, or just the "boot into Rockbox, not OF" change? 18.50.37 # either one 18.50.39 # BTW, have you tried the Rockbox stack on a Mac recently? 18.50.52 # although it would be nice to get rid of the sansa bootloader too 18.51.09 # iirc recovery mode is the main thing holding that back 18.51.29 # Yes, but if our bootloader has a full UMS mode, then I think that's better... 18.51.32 # linuxstb: I tried it before the latest commit and still don't get a disk appearing. trying it again now 18.51.54 # amiconn: no idea. Maybe because it made experimenting (enabling or disabling just one) easier at an early stage ? 18.52.02 # linuxstb: I agree. UMS mode in the RB bootloader would be ideal 18.52.26 # barrywardell: Although for it to be useful, a PC-side application to recover would probably be needed (rbutil?) 18.52.28 Join webguest65 [0] (n=4db40aa8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d3e18fba03f83058) 18.52.45 Quit webguest65 (Client Quit) 18.52.53 # Domonoky: In case you saw my comments from earlier, alleging that RBUtil produced distorted voice files, the problem was that somehow my RBUtil Speex volume was set to 10.00... ;) 18.53.14 # Setting it back to 1 worked nicely 18.53.39 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-212-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.53.40 Join Nikolaus [0] (n=4db40aa8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-52b1cd9dcb4396cc) 18.54.08 # linuxstb: wouldn't sansapatcher do the job? 18.54.31 Join Benjamin_L [0] (n=benni@pD9EE0159.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.55.00 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=3dd50610@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c02b1410c633feae) 18.55.26 # barrywardell: Possibly. Although I'm wondering what would need recovering... If the Rockbox bootloader loads, then the user just needs to reformat and/or copy across a new rockbox.zip 18.55.28 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.55.51 # linuxstb: just tested on my mac. still no drive appearing, but USB Prober reports "Rockbox media player" and disk utility finds "Rockbox Internal Storage Media" 18.55.58 # I think that to get a real idea of UMS performance issues, measurements should include test_disk output as well (with boosted cpu). 18.56.25 # barrywardell: can you do a logf build with logf enabled for usb_storage.c and report what that says ? 18.56.50 # well, 3min35 for rb and 2min31 for OF to copy 286 MB on my e260 :) 18.56.54 # * BigBambi is quite hqppy 18.56.54 # gevaerts: Do you think "dd" to a partition device is enough, or should we be copying files? 18.57.27 # gevaerts: sure. just a second... 18.57.28 Quit Nikolaus (Client Quit) 18.58.15 # * amiconn will test against his Amiga's USB stack later 18.59.03 Part pondlife 18.59.07 # linuxstb: I think either method will do. The problem with copying files is that you either need to unmount or sync to flush everything, so it's harder to get a reliable measurement. 18.59.21 # linuxstb: the only thing that would ever need recovering would be the bootloader itself, in which case e200tool would be required anyway 18.59.24 # I feel that wallisertitsch should be removed from the zips; it is very close to the 50% mark that shows that it is very outdated. Rasher's page shows it hasn't been outdated for 3 years. 18.59.57 # * gevaerts thinks that the actual bugs are more important than performace tweaks now. 19.00.03 # pondlife: jeah there was a bug in the settings of rbspeex in rbutil.. and as it remembers settings, the fix only helps if you reset the rb settings :-) 19.00.09 # countrymonkey: we do not exclude any languages 19.00.34 # s/rb/rbutil 19.00.49 # IIRC afrikaans, turkçe and a few more were excluded (or was that a patch). 19.01.01 # countrymonkey: you were the one asking about the japanese charset of the Archos Player, right? Did you see amiconn's answer the next morning in the logs? 19.01.12 # countrymonkey: That was in the patch. It was not enabled when committed. 19.01.35 # I should have committed with "some speed improvements" in the message, and kept silent here, just to see how quick people would notice 19.01.36 # Yes it was me, but I didn't see it. I will check it. Thanks. 19.03.34 # gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m452a9d84 19.04.15 # gevaerts: a late congratulations 19.05.08 # gevaerts: I also just got this on linux: http://pastebin.com/m331bfd0b 19.05.22 # * jhMikeS is confusled by the delta is his last commit 19.05.24 # barrywardell: Have you tried the USB on your H10? 19.06.19 Quit Soap_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.06.22 # barrywardell: that's interesing... Why does the mac keep reading the same data over and over again ? 19.06.24 # linuxstb: no, not since gevaerts started working on it. It's at home so I can try later and report back when I do 19.06.33 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.06.37 # Thanks for the answer; I know I cannot do it now. (katakana is the system of foreign language words) 19.06.53 # hi guys , first off ... rockbox rocks, my sansa is a miracle machine now that it plays all formats, syncs to last.fm and does replaygain ... HOWEVER, i went skiing and fell on my player (bragging mode : 180 crossed :P ). I lost one channel . So i opened it up, it seems that the connector for the tip of the jack has come off the PCB .. i tried to solder it back on but found that the solder island was janked of the pcb so i have nothing to 19.06.53 # solder onto, so my question ... can someone tell me where i can find diagrams so i can find a point to put a wire to ? or can someone find one ... i know this isn't realy the place ... but i'm kinda desperate ; if i send it back to sandisk (still in waranty) i have to remove rockbox and i'll prolly get a V2 replacement wich would kinda suck ... 19.07.04 # linuxstb, barrywardell: It's working nicely on small H10 (fullspeed, and apart of the known bugs of course) 19.07.47 # Just that this test revealed that the H10's microdrive is to blame for the slow usb access, and not the OF :/ 19.07.51 # waldo: you may (should?) find pics on the wiki that may help, I'm not sure 19.08.11 # waldo: I'm not aware of them having a problem with rockbox...they did want it ported afterall (no secret there) 19.08.16 # gevaerts: it does detect that there are two partitions (and gets the size right), so it's making some progress 19.08.46 # amiconn: We need to implement the serial number for the H10s and m:robe 100. It's currently only done for ipods (we use the same serial number as the OF - read from the flash), and the Sansas (reading a serial number from the AS3514). 19.08.57 # I have my doubts about you getting a v2 replacement. (I have a curse on me which always makes me send things in for repair; I never get a newer model) 19.08.57 # gevaerts: recovery mode doesn't work on my mac either, so it must be some weird apple peculiarity 19.09.10 # gevaerts: Do you think the slow mounting on Windows could be due to repeated stuff as well? 19.09.20 # amiconn: hopefully tthe big H10's drive will be faster 19.09.34 # countrymonkey: Please do not give advice based on absolutley nothing 19.09.44 # barrywardell: it reads sectors 600-607 lots of times, without rockbox having or reporting any error there. 19.09.48 # btw any luck on porting to the V2 ? cause i'd rather send it back then having a sansa that is patched up like that. 19.09.58 # linuxstb: Yeah, true. Do you know how to find the serial number that an usb device reports to the pc? 19.10.09 # amiconn: Only on linux - "lspci -v" 19.10.15 # (then that number could be used to search a H10 rom dump) 19.10.18 # I mean lsusb... 19.10.32 # Or OF... 19.10.46 # Nah, nmust be rom, I think 19.10.53 # gevaerts: I can dump those sectors on linux if it's any help? 19.11.11 # amiconn: could be. The "easy" thing about windows is that I have a windows machine at work next to a usb tracer, so I can see exactly what it's doing. I can't do that with a mac unfortunately (none available there...) 19.11.12 # I thought the S/N thing was resolved already 19.11.42 # jhMikeS: Only on ipods and Sansas afaik 19.11.52 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.11.53 # yep 19.13.08 # barrywardell: maybe. I'd like to finish the integration cleanup first though. 19.13.42 # anyone object to me setting cabbie as the default theme when I get chance? 19.13.48 # i've more or less got that worked out 19.14.03 # gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m651bfb9b <- they're the sectors 600-607 for when you get around to it 19.14.04 # linuxstb: there's still the potential issue that on my c250 our serial number does not match the OF's serial number at all. It might still be unique, but I have no idea if that's really true 19.14.37 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.14.48 # saratoga: Might want to post a patch for it, so people can get a look at it and see if there's any problems you've missed. But I'm all for having it default to it soon 19.14.50 # noone tried reading i2c rom yet? 19.15.13 # jhMikeS: Does the AS3514 datasheet mention a serial number ? 19.15.17 # Llorean: I posted a patch last week thats essentially ready to go 19.15.23 # Ah, missed that then. 19.15.26 # all thats needed is minor change to the build script 19.15.30 # Was it a new task, or in one of the old threads? 19.15.45 # linuxstb: it has the 120-bit fuse array which can be programmed with anything 19.15.50 # *128 19.15.52 # linuxstb: do you have any objections to making all serial numbers the same length ? We are deviating from the OF anyway now, and it would cut down the #ifdef forest a bit 19.15.58 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.16.37 # jhMikeS: Ah, OK. 19.16.54 # barrywardell: That's at sector 600 ? It looks like a partition table. 19.17.07 # gevaerts: No, Zagor convinced me that there was no need to match the OF's output. 19.18.12 # linuxstb: OK. I'll remove the "duplicate" declaration then. Any preference on whether the ipod s/n should be left- or righ-aligned in the longer string ? 19.18.13 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.18.22 # waldo: I've just started doing a bit of work on the Sansa v2 - I'm planning to get a C200 soon. AFAIK, though, we don't yet know how to write the firmware, so it could be a very long way off 19.18.37 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.18.48 # gevaerts: Doesn't the UMS spec talk about 12 digits that must be unique? 19.19.37 # make high speed work? 19.19.42 # can I have your e-babies? 19.19.43 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 19.19.45 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.19.53 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.19.56 # gevaerts: Or maybe truncate the Sansa string? 16 characters would seem enough... 19.20.02 # linuxstb: indeed. the last digits, so that answers my question. 19.20.51 # Although it might be hard to know which digits to drop... So maybe best to keep all 32 and pad the ipod string. 19.21.01 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 19.21.47 # linuxstb: we could use a cryptographic hash of the serial number... Best keep it as-is I guess 19.22.36 # gevaerts: oops, forgot to skip (or is it seek?) 19.22.48 # skip for input, seek for output 19.24.09 # thanks 19.24.09 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.24.17 # gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m58c6473f 19.25.31 Join Simsgy [0] (n=Simsgy@89.1.81.29.dynamic.barak-online.net) 19.25.34 # barrywardell: wild idea, can you try changing the USB_VENDOR_ID and USB_PRODUCT_ID to something else ? Maybe macs assume a specific behaviour if they see an ipod ? 19.25.36 # Hey guys 19.25.47 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.25.55 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.26.01 # I was wondering... Is there ANY support for Nano 3g yet? (I know there isn't just wanted to make sure :( ) 19.26.09 # no 19.26.18 # :( 19.26.27 # Because the firmware is un-breakable? 19.26.33 # * gevaerts really wants a rockbox usb vendor id. Anyone got $2000 to spare ? 19.27.24 # gevaerts: this is on my sansa, but I'll give it a shot anyway 19.27.31 # arent't there "generic" ones? 19.27.44 # barrywardell: then it won't help I fear. 19.28.16 # Simsgy: Because nobody is working on it. 19.28.22 # $2000 is heavy for a usb vendor id... we need a sponsor.. :-) 19.28.33 # Horscht: no. And companies can't give you a spare product id according to the usb-if conditions (although they ould grant an exception I guess) 19.28.39 # *could 19.29.11 # Llorean: Why 19.29.26 # Domonoky: I think that any $2000 can probably be spent better elsewhere. This is just a purist cleanlyness thing 19.29.31 # Simsgy: What kind of question is that? 19.29.38 # i don't think a vender id is all that desirable 19.29.40 # If people want it, they need to work on it 19.29.41 # because no one with interest in porting it has a 3g nano 19.29.49 # Simsgy: They aren't 19.29.54 # =\ 19.29.56 # Well, thanks 19.29.57 # probably better to use the OF's, that way we can potientially still support things like itunes or OF's software 19.30.07 # and obviously, the people that own a 3g nano don't care about porting it 19.30.08 Part Simsgy 19.30.51 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.34.05 # gevaerts: no luck :( 19.34.06 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.40 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.34.49 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.37.13 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 19.37.14 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.38.02 # gevaerts: There are companies that sell individual vendor/product IDs very cheaply 19.38.08 # barrywardell: Can you try at full speed, i.e. revert to just before my last fix ? There are only reads in there, and some of them seem to be timing out. 19.38.19 # linuxstb: really ? where ? 19.38.59 # thank you, jhMikeS, for the temporary fix on the spinlock issue 19.39.41 # barrywardell: in case you didn't notice, I'm just throwing out wild ideas. I really have no idea right now as to what the problem is. 19.40.06 # I wonder if this spinlock thing was related to the awful skipping performance on the e200 when shuffling many songs 19.40.44 # gevaerts: http://www.mecanique.co.uk/products/usb/pid.html 19.41.08 # Hmm, the link has died... 19.41.27 # works here, linuxstb 19.41.32 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1@bas7-ottawa23-1088818003.dsl.bell.ca) 19.41.41 # oh, no wait. it doesnÄt 19.42.19 # barrywardell: my mac says it was "not able to enumerate a device" and will keep retrying according to dmesg when i try to plug in my e200 19.42.50 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-84caba83de7a9ee9) 19.43.03 # The issue of whether we want our own IDs was discussed on 12 October 2007, starting at 15.11.06 19.45.25 # * Domonoky just sees 10 USB-PIDs for 25 ... so much cheaper... :-) 19.45.25 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.45.44 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.45.52 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.46.26 # Domonoky: Yes, I think I've found the same - http://www.voti.nl/shop/catalog.html?USB-PID-10 19.46.56 # Although it says "Pending a discussion with the USB organisation I have suspended the sale of USB PIDs" - so maybe the USB org have put a stop to these resellers... 19.47.52 # doesn't the USB org offer a very low volume license or something? 19.47.56 # * low_light reports that he has buttons working on mrobe 100 19.48.12 # low_light: Have you tried the USB driver on your mrobe? 19.48.28 # So I was right, USB-IF doesn't like people sharing their vendor id. 19.48.47 # low_light: Congratulations btw ;) 19.49.24 Quit Benjamin_L ("Leaving") 19.49.36 # linuxstb: thanks, still needs some tweaking 19.49.48 # gevaerts, yeah obviously. They want to get more money. 19.51.18 # linuxstb: I haven't tried the usb driver yet 19.52.10 # low_light: Something to add to your to-do list would be to find out the USB serial number the OF uses, and try to find out where that's stored on the device (so Rockbox can use it). 19.52.26 # (in Linux, use "lsusb -v" and look for iSerial) 19.52.30 # The main problems I see with using the OF ids are : (a) we _will_ behave differently in some corner cases (hopefully by being more correct), and host drivers use id-based black- and whitelists to enable/disable certain bug workarounds. (b) we may present different device classes than the OF 19.53.08 # linuxstb: do you have the tatung elio bootloader? (not the OF) 19.53.26 # low_light: I should have, yes. 19.53.37 # I mean the OF bootloader 19.54.03 # And I'm not really interested in having just one product id. I think real advantages to our own id only start appearing if we can allocate one per hardware platform (like differentiating between 32 and 64 MB ipods), and unfortunately that's not economically viable right now... 19.54.40 # linuxstb: I want to see if i can dig out the lcd code for you ;) 19.55.21 # low_light: That would be nice... 19.55.31 # (see PM...) 19.55.52 # is there a list of rockbox users bidding on ebay for mp3 player? so that one user doesnt outbid the other? 19.56.27 # nope 19.56.32 # alienbiker99: surely people would be bidding the same max amount anyway? 19.56.35 # alienbiker99: how do you decide which one is allowed to bid today ? 19.56.52 # "I saw it first!" 19.56.59 # alienbiker99: I neither see how it would work, nor think it should 19.57.00 # "Dibs on this one!" 19.57.15 # dunno just asking. ive seen channels that have a list set up like that, but there was a lost more people wanting it than just the community 19.57.24 # "you already got 7 players, i only have 5!" 19.57.57 # "Tough! *I* get to have the Coldfire target this time!" 19.58.03 # "I need just this one to complete my collection of first editions of rockbox-supported players!" 19.58.14 # alienbiker99: This is an example of what would happen. 19.58.20 # gevaerts: sorry, I was away for a bit there. just tried full speed and still no luck :( 19.58.21 # haha yeah i know 19.58.25 # "If you bid on this one, I'll slit your throat!" 19.58.42 # * gevaerts thinks that Horscht might win this argument 19.58.49 # "I'll go Feyd-Rautha on your pasty ass!" 19.59.01 # * LambdaCalculus37 has had his fun :) 19.59.03 # i don't want to win in the intertubes, gevaerts 19.59.38 # alienbiker99: A prime example of why a list like that is a terrible, terrible idea. 19.59.43 # barrywardell: do you have a usb hub available ? Or are you using one ? Maybe changing bus topology helps. 19.59.52 # We're going to end up killing each other. 20.00.05 # LambdaCalculus37: wouldn't that solve the problem ? 20.00.16 # midgey: did you put the #define in your config? 20.00.27 # gevaerts: But who gets to enjoy the DAP in the end, when everyone's congealing on the floor? 20.00.31 # it would, but this channel would be "dead" quiet, gevaerts 20.00.45 # * gevaerts hopes there would be one survivor... 20.00.47 # (pun intended" 20.01.14 # barrywardell: I added #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB to config-e200.h 20.01.40 # gevaerts: I'm on a laptop, so only two ports to try. both same problem 20.03.44 # barrywardell: if you manage to try with a hub, please do. It shouldn't make a difference (since we can't control the wire-side of things, it should behave the same as the OF), but you never know... 20.06.35 # saratoga: Looking at your patch for FS#8443, it seems to include unrelated changed to do with backdrops - were those intended? 20.06.35 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.06.44 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.06.52 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.10.34 # midgey: weird. is that with current svn? 20.10.55 # indeed 20.11.26 # i'll take a look at it later tonight; i'm actually on my way out for spring break 20.11.26 # gevaerts: will do. in case it's any help, here's what dmesg says on my mac: http://pastebin.com/m64c59bd7 20.11.59 # im running 10.4.11 Tiger on a Macbook 20.12.25 # I'm 10.5.2 Leopard on Macbook. Maybe that's the difference 20.13.06 Quit midgey () 20.14.21 Join cars [0] (n=451de957@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6ddd1dd81a47cc2) 20.14.22 # linuxstb: yes, pixelma complained that my previous cabbiev2 commits caused various color only theme options to be written on grayscale targets 20.15.43 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B16107E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.17.22 Quit hannesd (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.17.22 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.17.23 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.18.00 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B16107E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.18.10 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.18.18 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.18.20 # barrywardell: that dmesg output looks like an OS bug to me. Hard to be sure though. 20.19.33 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.211.254) 20.20.26 # saratoga: Shouldn't that be a separate patch then? 20.20.59 # gevaerts: could be. although it doesn't happen with the OF USB mode 20.22.12 # gtg. I'll report back if I find anything more of interest 20.22.47 Quit barrywardell ("Konversation terminated!") 20.23.12 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 20.24.19 Quit cars ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.24.21 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.26.43 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.26.44 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.26.52 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.30.44 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.30.46 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.30.54 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.33.04 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.34.38 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.34.46 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.35.52 # gevaerts: Something seems to be wrong with highspeed mode 20.36.16 # I can mount my mini g2, but file transfer is *way slower* than with the fullspeed version 20.36.48 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.09 # amiconn: fun 20.38.09 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.38.16 # Hrrm, and now it even stopped working 20.38.44 # amiconn: Is that on Windows? 20.38.51 # yeds 20.38.54 # *yes 20.40.39 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.40.47 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.41.00 # amiconn: there is something at least somewhat wrong here too : I get a device reset just after scanning the partitions. It doesn't seem to harm, but maybe it does on windows 20.41.32 # amiconn: Note that this is on not on exact svn 20.41.35 Quit gevaerts (Remote closed the connection) 20.41.48 # gevaerts: I compared unzipping a rockbox build using 7-zip on windows. With diskmode it takes 16 seconds, with fullspeed rockbox it took 35 seconds 20.42.27 # That's about the speed difference I got with diskmode vs highspeed Rockbox on my Color 20.42.30 # But with highspeed rockbox the predicted extraction time was > 10 minutes, and then it stopped ~ 1/3 way through and complained that the system could not find a file 20.42.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.43.50 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.44.09 # * gevaerts hates accidentaly typing "sudo halt" 20.44.52 # * petur hands gevaerts a gui 20.45.54 # amiconn: I'll test on windows soon. 20.46.58 # petur: GUI's are worse. Look in the logs for the last time I plugged in a mouse. 20.48.20 NHeal (timeout) zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.48.35 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.48.44 # * amiconn thinks this windows problem and the macos problem are probably actually the same 20.49.36 # * gevaerts thinks that amiconn may be right 20.50.47 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.190.46) 20.51.20 # I'm off now... see everyone later! 20.51.31 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 20.52.10 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965D97.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.52.50 # eurgh 20.53.04 # * amiconn just tried mounting the thing on his Amiga 20.53.12 # * gevaerts is very afraid 20.53.17 # *PANIC* Writing on sector 0 20.53.38 # * amiconn wonders why AmigaOS wants to write to sector 0 on mount... 20.53.56 # amiconn: I actually saw windows do that on my sansa as well a while ago 20.53.59 # * amiconn thinks we should disable sector 0 protection in the ata driver 20.56.26 # * gevaerts agrees. Why is it actually there ? 20.56.27 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.56.38 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.56.43 # Afaik it was added as a safety measure back when ata and filesystem write support were developed 20.56.46 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.57.27 # * gevaerts discovers md5sum mismatches on testing high-speed support 20.58.19 # Should I disable high speed again in svn until we know what's going on ? 20.58.31 # The (well, my) Amiga USB is fullspeed only, btw 20.58.54 # I doubt a classic Amiga would be fast enough to handle high speed anyway 20.58.59 # amiconn: yes, but you have problems in windows with high speed, I get read corruption,... 20.59.53 # Heck, the CPU in that thing is slower than the one in the device I am connecting - and it's already the fastest CPU a classic Amiga can have 20.59.53 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.00.20 # * gevaerts suggests doing work on the DAP and playing music on the Amiga 21.01.06 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.01.30 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.54 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.02.02 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.05.40 # So, anyone against ditching sector 0 write protection? 21.05.40 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.06.24 # The MMC (Ondios) driver also has it, but neither the flash driver (iFP 7xx), nor the SD driver (Sansas) 21.06.38 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.06.46 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.06.47 # did anybody ever see that *panic* ? 21.06.55 # Yes, me 21.06.55 # It doesn't matter on ipods - diskmode will start regardless of a valid sector 0 or not. 21.07.04 # Several times, this week 21.07.08 # I mean, when not testing usb ;) 21.07.11 # Did it ever appear in normal usage ? 21.07.31 Quit hannesd (Remote closed the connection) 21.08.42 # * petur runs out of ideas regarding CF powermanagement setting failure 21.09.25 # * gevaerts is now actually working in two different source trees 21.09.50 # welcome 21.09.59 # gevaerts: I never saw it, but I came to the project when write support was already there 21.10.00 # Just remember to compile the one you're working on... 21.11.00 # amiconn: I think if noone remembers forum cries for help about it, it probably never occurred 21.11.09 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21.12.01 # That was ~ 4 years ago, btw (coding wise, even a bit longer as a user) 21.13.22 # Back 21.13.35 # sorry 21.14.19 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 21.14.37 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.142.107) 21.14.55 Join qwedsa [0] (n=superman@ip51ccca31.speed.planet.nl) 21.15.09 # gevaerts: Something is odd on Amiga, btw: I get 2 (identical) disk icons 21.15.37 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3a55146bd5ab83fe) 21.16.35 # It's actually mounted twice 21.17.30 # amiconn: interesting. 21.18.24 # The serial number doesn't look right 21.18.51 # The whole usb device info doesn't look right... 21.20.29 # What's the policy on comitting trivial typo fixes in comments ? 21.22.07 # just commit them? 21.23.18 # * gevaerts just did his first completely safe commit 21.23.42 # gevaerts: Strange. The serial number sometimes matches the OF, and sometimes it is different 21.24.30 # The difference, if it exists, is that certain bytes are 00 instead of the expected value - but not always the same bytes are affected 21.24.55 # For my usb integration work, I'd like to add HAVE_SOFTWARE_USB. Whether a target has it probably depends more on the chipset than anything else. Should I add it to all relevant config-*.h files, or just once to pp5020.h ? 21.25.09 # amiconn: sounds like a cpu cache problem to me 21.25.17 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 21.25.20 Quit ol_schoola () 21.25.38 # just wanna thank you frank for an excellent work on the usb-support for portal players! 21.25.56 # * petur tried all all possible CF powermanagement levels, all refused :/ 21.26.59 Join gibbon_ [0] (n=joel@asuka.systems.jpoetry.net) 21.27.08 # good evening 21.27.40 # amiconn: I'm nearly sure of that. The string descriptor related code has no cache-awareness magic at all. I'll add it now. 21.27.49 # MajorC: you're welcome 21.29.32 # * gibbon_ bows in deep thankfulness before the work that has been done by the rockbox developers in the last few years... you really saved my ipod from me stopping to love it... 21.29.38 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16107E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.30.10 Quit qwedsa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.22 # i just wanted to state that once again... after thinking twice, i think my question better goes to the community channel... sorry for bothering 21.31.50 Quit hannesd (Remote closed the connection) 21.32.02 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16107E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.32.42 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.27 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.36.44 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.36.53 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.39.09 # gevaerts: Btw, the USB serial number can be found in windows 21.39.19 # amiconn: the usb serial descriptor bug should now be fixed in svn 21.39.43 # amiconn: I guess somewhere in device manager/properties ? 21.40.24 # Yes. You need to enable the detailed information mode though (via an environment variable) 21.40.46 Join stel [0] (n=stel@78.144.179.248) 21.41.05 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 21.41.20 # Ah, no, that was something else 21.42.12 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.42.24 # In the device manager, expand the USB sub-tree, click the respective usb storage device, then go to the Details tab 21.42.48 # (all translated from german windows, so the exact names might be different) 21.43.37 # In the dropdown list, there is an item "bus relations" (??), which contains the serial # as part of the string 21.43.45 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.43.54 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.44.59 # * gevaerts goes to a Windows machine to try 21.45.31 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.45.59 # The string is & separated, the serial number is the second one from the end (the last one is just "&0" here) 21.46.07 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.46.45 # hmm... maybe i was wrong... 21.46.58 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 21.47.03 # Found it. Good to know, but I still find lsusb and /sys/bus/usb/devices/ easier 21.47.53 # i wonder, if there is any way to distinguish a sansa c250 FM from the v2 version before buying ... maybe some relevant specs... i looked on the buyers guide and could not quite find what i looked for 21.48.52 # * Domonoky_ thinks the only sure way is the of version... 21.48.59 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.49.39 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com) 21.50.31 # gibbon_: _usually_ a v2 mentions audible support on the box, and v1 doesn't. My v1 did, so this rule doesn't always work. I don't know if they sell v2's without mentionning audible, but I wouldn't be surprised. As far as I know that's the only way to guess without opening the box. 21.50.41 # Domonoky_: hmm... i was told in the neighbourhood that there is work in progress to support the later v2 models, too... so perhaps the v2 is a good start to help, even if it does not work in the first place ;) 21.50.45 # linuxstb, gevaerts: The solution for the H10 iSerial is trivial - it doesn't have one 21.51.24 # gibbon_: If you can open the box, usually v2's mention "v2" on the back, but same thing as with audible, sometimes they don't, and sometimes v1's are marked v2. 21.51.26 # gevaerts: thats hard in an online shop :) but when it cones hard on hard, i can always send it back 21.51.38 # gibbon_: i think nobody works on sansa v2 .. so a very long wy for rockbox on it.. 21.52.13 # Domonoky_: oh, ok... then the "... i can always send it back" becomes very more likely 21.52.20 # gevaerts: Btw, OF reports just '0', while rockbox reports '0000000000000000' 21.52.34 # gibbon_: your best bet would indeed be to send it back if it's a v2. 21.52.43 # * gibbon_ nods... 21.53.03 # amiconn: Seems spec-violation is common-place... 21.53.18 # Does the H10 just have one disk mode? 21.53.19 # Yup 21.53.21 # if its a v1, fm radio and recording work, i suppose? 21.53.44 # Does the H10's disk have a serial number ? 21.53.46 # Recording works, but I wouldn't recommend a sansa for recording 21.53.48 # Do all European models have a radio? 21.53.55 # of the c200s? 21.54.01 Quit barrywardell () 21.54.45 # gibbon_: if it mentions radio, it should have a radio. If it has one, rockbox supports it. 21.54.58 # BigBambi: the shop calls the device "FM" explicitly... i found some without that in the name... so not all have it but there are some available 21.55.06 # thanks again 21.55.16 # good luck 21.55.20 # linuxstb: Btw, the Ondios also don't have a serial number - and they use a hardware USB-MMC bridge 21.55.41 # gibbon_: I think some that don't advertise FM, actually do have the fm chip 21.56.15 # may be ... 21.57.01 # the ones without are average 10 euros less in price than the ones advertised with... it seems that sandisk is even worse when it comes to model names than netgear... *shiver* 21.57.29 # even the micro-sd works? 21.57.54 # amiconn: I just looked at my Elio (my only non-ipod PP device), and that also reports "0" as the serial number.... 21.58.09 # gibbon_: micro-sd works, and rockbox supports sdhc on the v1, which the OF doesn't 21.58.34 # The iriver also just has a rather generic iroduct string: "IRIVER Mass Storage Device" 21.58.41 # *iProduct 21.58.42 # amiconn: any chance to get a serial number from the disk ? That would be good enough 21.59.20 # And the OF reboots into ROM diskmode on iriver when detecting USB 21.59.21 # gibbon_: Yep, with the added bonus of sdhc support 21.59.33 # :) 21.59.35 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dqw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 21.59.35 # So only a single mode (@linuxstb) 21.59.43 # Up to a theoretical 32 GB i believe (the OF stops at 2GB with standard SD) 22.00.01 # Is that theoretical 32GB limit correct? 22.00.04 # ok... i think there is a v2 series on the e series as well... 22.00.13 # rasher: Not sure, hence the I believe 22.00.19 # But I thought so 22.00.26 # gibbon_: Yes there is 22.00.42 # gnaaa 22.01.31 # rasher: Apparently it isn't 22.01.38 Join magmaniac [0] (n=nobody@p5B070D90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.02.09 # then, i think, the c250 it is... 22.02.12 # BigBambi: Based on what? I've seen conflicting reports, which is why I'm asking 22.02.22 # rasher: Wikipedia claims a theoretical maximum of 2048 GB 22.02.23 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card 22.02.38 # Standard wikipedia disclaimers 22.02.42 # (from me) 22.02.53 # Hang on 22.03.01 # * BigBambi ought to search for micro-sdhc 22.03.04 # BigBambi: But it was wikipedia who claimed the 32GB as well (at least that's where I read it), so I'm not sure what to believe 22.03.50 # rasher: I'm not sure either 22.04.28 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.04.29 # lets just say "every sdhc on the market might work" 22.04.40 # ymmv :) 22.04.52 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dqw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.05.05 # I haven't seen reports about any microsdhc cards not working 22.05.24 # * gevaerts goes shopping for a 2TB sdhc card 22.05.38 # Would be nice wouldn't it 22.05.41 # Do you have a time machine? ;) 22.05.56 # * BigBambi needs to go shopping for a 120 GB to stick in the gigabeast 22.06.05 # petur: ping 22.06.32 # rasher: 32G is the biggest they've made so far isn't it? 22.06.38 # magmaniac: hi 22.06.53 # rasher: i'd be surprised if they already hit the limit after the whole sdhc debacle 22.07.01 # ze: they have? thats a really HUGE microsd then 22.07.27 # gibbon_: oh for micro i think i just saw 12G get announced... 22.07.30 # petur: I was thinking about how we can detect whether our device has a disk or a CF card 22.07.30 # bigger than my ipod color was before it passed away 22.07.39 # ah, ok 22.07.40 # gibbon_: but thats just form factor, has nothing to do with technical limits 22.07.51 # sd is still sd 22.07.51 # heh 22.07.53 # * gibbon_ was in the micro sdhc context still 22.08.08 # my bad 22.08.12 # petur: and the CF spec says that we could use the word 0 of the identify_info array for that 22.08.40 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.08.41 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 22.09.40 # magmaniac: you mean value 848A? 22.10.03 # petur: yes, though it seems that a bunch of other values are also allowed. 22.10.11 # I think magmaniac Means bit 15 of that 22.10.19 # ...and that actually sounds like an idea 22.10.27 # Guess what the Nano reports there? 22.10.29 # e.g. my card actually uses 044A 22.10.40 # 044A here too 22.10.47 # And on Nano too... 22.10.54 # aha 22.10.59 # ! 22.11.09 # the big question is, what does a HD return there? 22.11.19 # Bit 15 is set for an ata device 22.11.38 # And for CF it is obviously unset 22.12.26 # Eek, the MK8007GAH seems to violate the specs here :( 22.13.12 # * gevaerts thinks the only specs that aren't violated are those that are not implemented at all 22.13.16 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6334.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.13.32 # I guess I'll swap CF and disk again... 22.14.22 # amiconn: shouldn't your 'dump identify to disk' be committed? 22.14.27 # gevaerts: The disk does have a serial number 22.14.57 # The question is whether it's a faked one 22.15.10 # Anyone else with a H10 6GB (not 5GB)? 22.15.17 # thanks for the help so far... 22.15.28 # the rest is up to me and mrs luck i guess 22.15.32 # 5GB w/o radio here 22.15.52 # petur: I don't think so, as it's quite special. In its current form it would also break all non-ata targets 22.16.02 # and again... thanks for all the hard work :) there are people out there you make really happy 22.16.10 Join alison_oxo [0] (n=asdokeas@c-69-141-95-124.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.16.14 # see you later 22.16.51 # The ST660211 also violates the specs and reports itself as non-ata ... 22.16.54 # amiconn: really? I think it is more usefull than 'dump rom' for instance 22.17.02 Part gibbon_ ("... and thanks for all the fish") 22.18.07 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.10 # * magmaniac hates it when Torx screws drop from the table 22.18.16 # It has another problem - you need to know whether the dump is from a little endian or a big endian target 22.19.06 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.21.32 # * gevaerts tells magmaniac to work on the floor 22.22.01 # amiconn: can you tell us the full value of word 0 for these non-conforming devices? 22.25.20 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.25.20 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.26.13 # MK8007GAH (iriver H180) reports 0x0040. ST660211 (iriver H10) reports 0x0c5a (both violating the specs). HMS360604D5CF00 (mini) reports 0x848a (conforming) 22.28.33 # MK2004GAL (stock H120) reports 0x0040 too 22.29.33 # and the CF spec even says that 0x0040 is one of the "preferred" alternate configuration values for CF cards! 22.30.00 # which means there may be cards which report 0x0040. 22.31.03 # I posted a new patch on flyspray that should fix the button press and screendump related bugs, and gets rid of the usb_core thread. I didn't commit it because it is not easily possible to disable it any more. I'd appreciate some review. 22.38.42 Part perrikwp 22.40.07 # So word 0 doesn't help us. There's of course the "model number" (ASCII string in words 27-46)... one could have a blacklist of models against which one can match this string, and if it's in the blacklist, activate things like the ATA -80 workaround. But that is so ugly... 22.42.44 Quit alison_oxo ("Ex-Chat") 22.42.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.01 # gevaerts: which thread is it using now? 22.45.41 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.48.46 # gevaerts: nvm. I saw although cranking up the priority during connection or transfers might be wise. 22.49.56 Quit stel (Remote closed the connection) 22.49.56 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.02 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 22.51.46 # petur: when you first posted the idinfo.bin of your card for amiconn (a few days ago), I took the liberty of downloading it too... do I see correctly that the "model number" of your card is set to *all spaces*? 22.53.54 # jhMikeS: the usb thread seemed the logical choice. Maybe we can just crank up the priority at all times. It only does something when a connection is detected, and spends the rest of its time in queue_wait, so a higher priority shouldn't harm anything 22.55.23 # if it almost never runs for any reason I agree 22.56.47 # gevaerts - once again, huge props on the usb work! does the latest commit (fix caching issues) resolve the corruption on high speed or is the corruption coming from the controller somewhere? 22.57.01 # jhMikeS: It only gets triggered by connection changes, and on ondio sp on mmc insert/remove 22.57.20 # magmaniac: seems so 22.57.43 # stripwax: it only fixes the usb serial number sometimes not being correct. I haven't looked into the high-speed problems yet 22.58.10 # gevaerts: on OndioFM it might do the same ;) 22.58.15 # petur: now that is very descriptive :( how is one supposed these things apart if almost everything violates spec? 22.58.22 # magmaniac: then again, serial is not at all what is printed on the case 22.58.57 # s/supposed/supposed to tell/ 22.59.10 # magmaniac: I've done some CF stuff at work in the past and I'm not surprised 22.59.12 # pixelma: right. I somehow missed that in my search for HAVE_MMC last time 22.59.46 # petur: ah, for me it's the first time that I go this close to hardware. 23.00.43 # * magmaniac notices that his CF card claims to support SMART 23.00.45 # ok., ta 23.01.04 # magmaniac: actually, I only moved closer to hardware in the last years, I used to do windows stuff 23.03.13 # any more ideas for HD-CF detection? One could take the failing set_features() call as an indication... :-/ 23.03.37 # magmaniac, petur: Specs violation seems to be common among flash memory cards. 23.04.32 Nick B--daW is now known as B00daW (i=ladrao@207-53-196-62.hmps.dynamic-dsl.qis.net) 23.04.34 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.04.47 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.04.54 # * petur is surprised nobody complained about SimpleTech cards, they really are simple...crap 23.05.09 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.05.15 # I think it's preety widespread. At work I often stumble across hard disk and controller idiosyncracies... often solved by firmware upgrades 23.05.34 # Iirc at least one of my MMCs also has an empty serial number, violating the MMC specs 23.06.12 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 23.06.17 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.06.44 # fyi, the powermanagement setting failure gives as extended error (request sense) 0x1F 23.06.59 # not very helpfull 23.07.42 # Actually I did nor remember correctly, but I doubt that a serial number of 0x0000000a is correct... 23.07.44 # * petur silently hopes A-Data tech support will actually give a usefull answer 23.08.07 # * gevaerts thinks that amiconn might be an early adopter 23.08.24 # My 2GB Magu MMC has that serial number... 23.08.53 # Maybe you have the tenth one produced ? 23.09.10 # 'beta' 23.09.28 # or better: prototype 23.10.12 # Regarding the CF mod, I have a completely unrelated, practical question: what do you do to fix the adapter to the ATA connector? I think if I shake mine hard enough (or equivalently, take a long bus ride), the adapter might dislodge... 23.12.09 # have not given it much thought yet 23.12.09 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 23.12.32 # I suppose some kind of adhesive tape will do the trick 23.14.01 # amiconn: I assume the reason we do the reset in the control reg and not the config reg is to avoid re-configuring? 23.16.16 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 23.19.16 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dqw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 23.20.13 Quit Domonoky_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.20.23 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.142.107) 23.20.57 # petur: I don't know... 23.21.15 # gevaerts: iProduct and iSerial are totally broken now.... 23.21.25 # iManufacturer too 23.22.12 # So my latest fix wasn't... 23.23.07 # I get gibberish characters with (parts of) '0123456789ABCDEF' in it 23.23.12 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.23.14 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-TWO-O-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 23.23.16 # amiconn: the reset we do retains settings, while the reset in the config reg is a real one... as we do not reconfigure, I guess it makes sense 23.23.33 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9de0af00e61f8de8) 23.24.09 # um, does somebody know what "IORDY support" means exactly? 23.24.27 # a hardware control signal 23.24.46 # go on :) 23.25.08 # amiconn: fixed 23.25.44 # I'm asking because I found the following in the CF spec "Support of IORDY is mandatory when PIO mode 3 or above is the current mode of operation" 23.25.50 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 23.26.12 # Now my card says it doesn't support IORDY, but it does support PIO 4. 23.26.29 # Same thing in the ata specs 23.26.42 # And RB uses PIO 4 if available, right? 23.26.44 # Just another specs vioaltion, as usual 23.27.11 # yes 23.27.17 # right, though I wonder if this one causes some of our problems? 23.27.23 # magmaniac: I already tried PIO0, same issues 23.27.32 # Does anyone know what 'ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: dev 4 ep1in scatterlist error -104/-121' means ? 23.27.47 # petur: thanks, OK 23.27.47 # On h1x0, iordy isn't even connected, so even a disk that supports it couldn't use it 23.28.09 # OK, you see I'm poking around in the dark... 23.29.18 # gevaerts: kernel/drivers/usb/core/message.c 23.29.45 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 23.30.14 # gevaerts: Looking good now. Is the iSerial limited to hexadecimal characters, or is that just by convention? 23.30.38 # Bagder: so does that mean that I managed to trigger a ehci bug with rockbox ? 23.30.47 # I'm asking because the hdd serial is ascii, and often contains letters in addition to digits 23.31.12 # amiconn: for mass storage it has to be hex. How long is the hdd serial ? 23.31.22 # gevaerts: I'm not really entitled to say, but there's a huge comment block around that error message in the kernel code that might mean more to you than it does to me... 23.31.23 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.31.46 Join greatgatsby [0] (n=jay@124.104.179.4) 23.31.50 # 20 characters (plain ascii, not unicode), but I didn't find a hdd that uses all characters 23.31.55 # :D 23.32.03 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.32.08 # Bagder: there's also this commented out BUG() macro... I think I'll probably need a tracer to see what the device actually does. 23.32.26 # Bagder: are you able to teach the front page gevaerts' name (the build table etc. already do) 23.32.27 # The string is padded with spaces, but the actual serial "number" is sometimes right aligned within the field 23.32.37 # amiconn: so we could make that a 40 characters hex serial I guess 23.32.41 # (i.e. left-padded with spaces) 23.36.20 # amiconn: I guess that number is somewhere in the identify data ? 23.36.25 # yes 23.36.33 # Words 10..19 23.37.13 # Take care of endianness 23.38.14 # Can I assume that any target that doesn't define HAVE_FLASH uses ata, or is there a specific one ? 23.38.25 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.38.56 # quick question: i used ubuntu gutsy to transfer songs to 30G U2 ipod video, and the transferred songs played with ~<2 second inserts of other songs in the ipod 23.39.34 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.40.10 # greatgatsby: I've seen this, and I think it's a Linux problem (happened with my Iriver H120, which uses a hardware usb bridge) 23.40.21 # i believe i have worked all bugs out of the default theme patch (FS#8443) 23.40.27 # Or at east Linux-related. 23.40.33 # i'd appreaciate it though if someone could look over it before i submit 23.40.43 # also, testing on a target with remote would be nice, since i don't have one of those 23.41.13 # greatgatsby: You should find the songs *on the ipod* and try playing those files back on your PC 23.41.36 # gevaerts: Neither. HAVE_FLASH_STORAGE doesn't define which driver is used, it defined behaviour 23.41.37 # rasher: funny, I've been using a H120 with Linux for years, and never encountered such behaviour 23.42.08 # E.g. the ipod nano does define HAVE_FLASH_STORAGE, while it does use the ata driver 23.42.53 # songs played with inserts when transfered from the ipod...but original files are ok 23.43.21 # magmaniac: you might have to do something stupid to trigger it, or perhaps certain hardware triggers it 23.43.28 # greatgatsby: this sound like the filesystem on the ipod is damaged. 23.43.30 # greatgatsby: Sounds like a filesystem corruption - do you always unmount the ipod before unplugging it? 23.43.43 # yes..i always unmount 23.44.22 # ooops..that sounded funny. lol 23.44.22 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.46.44 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 23.46.52 # greatgatsby: can you do a filesystem check of your ipod? 23.47.34 # i will 23.47.34 # amiconn: ok. Can I assume that ata_get_identify() will be available on non-ipod, non-sansa usb stack using targets ? 23.49.26 # Right now you can, I think 23.50.39 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 23.52.51 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.54.53 Quit MajorC () 23.58.23 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=4b596e0c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8216ba3c4d1881f) 23.58.31 Join Lars_G [0] (n=Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 23.58.49 # Hey all, what's the "rigth" place to set USE_ROCKBOX_USB, autoconf.h on my build dir?