--- Log for 24.02.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.29 # barrywardell_: but I suspect that on a H10 you have to use files. 00.00.49 # Bagder: you're welcome. always glad to take midkay's credit ;) 00.00.59 # gevaerts: ok, thanks. I'll try that now... 00.01.10 # hahaha.. likewise, midgey :) 00.01.12 # * Bagder oopses 00.04.24 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 00.05.46 # jhMikeS: do you know if the udelay(2) is actually really needed, or was it tested to work with udelay(1), and then increased "just to be sure" ? 00.06.26 # jhMikeS: I now have copied 300MB with udelay(1) and no errors 00.06.51 # * gevaerts gets nervous about delays that have to be just right 00.07.25 Quit Rob2222 () 00.07.36 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.08.20 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0dd21b66e93cc030) 00.08.40 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.08.53 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.09.13 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.09.27 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.09.45 # * gevaerts now gets an error again 00.11.52 # they can't be just right since interrupts will throw them off so perhaps that section could matter 00.12.14 Quit Axio () 00.12.27 # * barrywardell_ copied a 350MB file over to his H10 and back and the md5sums match 00.12.33 Quit basti (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.13 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.13.17 # barrywardell_: did you unmount between both copies ? 00.13.26 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.13.30 # no, maybe I should have? 00.13.31 Join ax [0] (n=alex@unyew.silverninja.net) 00.13.48 # barrywardell_: if you don't the kernel may still cache the data 00.14.01 # hmm, just updated the my ipod nano and now when i boot i just see : "Rockbox loaded." after the sum etc.. and nothing else happens 00.14.15 # ok, I'll try unmounting, then copying the file back 00.14.22 # gevaerts, barrywardell_: Or mount with 'sync' 00.14.33 # I'm on windows... 00.14.44 # xp? 00.14.50 # yeah 00.15.16 # Then data shouldn't be cached. winxp disables caching for removable storage by default 00.15.21 # (fortunately) 00.15.29 # amiconn: sync will force the data to be on disk, but does it prevent read cache as well ? 00.15.37 # should i update to a newer bootloader [is there one] i have 20060126-1829 00.16.15 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.16.26 # gevearts: A guess of mine is that it may expect an unbroken FIFO if using the WRITE_MULTIPLE_BLOCK command 00.17.14 # ax: yes you should 00.17.59 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.18.26 # jhMikeS: could be. I now removed the udelay entirely, and it still seems to work better than with udelay(2) 00.18.47 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.19.09 # gevaerts: md5sum is still the same after unmount and mount 00.19.19 # and copying the file over and back again 00.19.34 # barrywardell_: Is that with highspeed? 00.19.40 # barrywardell_: so your driver is probably more solid 00.19.51 # amiconn: yes 00.19.56 # strange... 00.20.03 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.20.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.20.22 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 00.20.23 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.24 # * gevaerts has noticed that Windows and Mac support seems to be hit-and-miss 00.20.25 # When I tried highspeed on windows (I only have ata based PP devices), it slowed down to a crawl and produced timeouts 00.20.51 # Fullspeed works like a charm for me though 00.20.59 # amiconn: I think so anyway. how do I check? 00.21.15 # barrywardell_: how fast was this 350MB copy ? 00.21.26 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.21.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.21.44 # I didn't time it, maybe a minute? 00.22.37 # That's high speed. With full speed back and forth would have been more than 10 minutes for 350 MB 00.23.29 # * gevaerts uses the irc log timestamps to estimate connection speeds of various devices 00.25.05 # okay, new firmware fixed it :) 00.25.21 # oops, s/firmware/bootloader 00.25.56 # gevaerts: hmmm...but given sd_poll_status yields to other threads, that doesn't sound right or the problem should be more frequent and it takes way longer than 2us for turnaround 00.27.51 Quit desowin () 00.27.55 # jhMikeS: maybe that yield is the actual problem then ? 00.27.56 Quit midgey () 00.28.10 Quit Rob2222 () 00.28.21 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC25E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.28.25 # jhMikeS: I now have more than 500MB without udelay and without problems (but with faster speeds) 00.28.43 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 00.29.14 # gevaerts, amiconn: it took a little under 2 minutes to copy to my H10, so definitely high speed 00.31.17 Quit Rob2222 (Client Quit) 00.33.09 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death") 00.33.41 # gevaerts: on windows, my H10 with Rockbox USB appears as a "Hard Disk Drive" in My Computer, but with the OF disk mode it appears under "Devices with removable storage". is it supposed to be that way? 00.34.39 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 00.35.37 # barrywardell_: The old discussion... I think Hard Disk Drive is correct according to the SCSI spec, since the disk is fixed to the scsi handler, but some people seem to disagree 00.36.25 # hmmm...ok. I don't think I've seen that with any usb storage before 00.36.37 # barrywardell_: removable means you need to handle the SCSI commands for removable drives, which makes no sense at all if "removing" means "unplugging the cable" 00.38.05 # And furthermore, how do you handle a device with both fixed storage and a card slot, like the sansas ? 00.38.06 # The ipods and the H10 appear as 'removable storage' with their respective OS or diskmode 00.38.22 # The H1x0, H300, archoses etc appear as hard disk drives 00.39.03 # Technically, 'hard disk drive' is correct as gevaerts just explained, but practically 'removable storage' does have advantages at least on windows 00.39.10 # so by the specs hard drive is the correct way 00.39.30 # It stops windows from cluttering the device with its 'system volume information' folder etc 00.39.42 # barrywardell_: that's my reading of the specs. But of course these specs predate USB 00.39.49 # * barrywardell_ thinks practicality is more important than technicalities 00.39.52 # sansas just mounts as two drives (the card driver shows up always) so why do things any differently? 00.40.15 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 00.40.33 # amiconn, Is it safe to delete 'system volume information' on ntfs drives? 00.40.40 # jhMikeS: the drive shows, just like your floppy or cd... Anyway I think the disk cluttering argument is pretty strong. 00.41.39 # I thought removeable storage always showed even when absent 00.42.04 # Slight correction regarding archoses - the Ondios appear as 'removable storage' as well 00.42.13 # jhMikeS: yes, except if you pull out the entire drive. Try pulling out your cdrom drive some day ;-) 00.42.14 # Makes sense as they have an MMC slot 00.42.40 # gevaerts: That's actually possible with some laptops... 00.43.14 # I mean hot-plugging/unplugging cd-roms - I've seen that on pre-usb laptops 00.43.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.43.45 # I know, my thinkpad can do that. So if you put a second hard drive in that bay (those exist), is that a removable drive ? 00.44.13 # Some PCs handle their internal sata hdds as removable drives 00.45.00 # I think current software and hardware has confused the issue so much that you can't really make a good decision on this 00.45.07 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.45.08 # Windows shows that 'safely remove hardware' icon even for the system disk on those. Of course it will always complain that the drive can't be removed because it's in use 00.46.08 # They probably show that icon depending on the bus and not on what the device claims itself. Some SATA controllers support hotplugging 00.47.34 # I don't think so. A secondary disk actually can be removed this way and unplugged afterwards. And yes, sata was designed with hotplugging in mind 00.48.27 # Anyway, I have now copied two gigabytes back and forth without any data errors. Still lots of ehci_hcd errors in my dmesg output, but that doesn't seem to cause much more than a slight slowdown on read. 00.51.10 # gevaerts: just because the udelay was there? 00.51.30 # jhMikeS: that seems to make the difference, yes 00.52.03 # I now write at 3.4 MB/s 00.52.51 # that just well, odd unless perhaps because it was between the PRG state and the FIFO check 00.53.39 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.54.22 # It certainly needs explaining. Commenting out code that is explicitly documented as needed to make things work raises some questions... 00.55.45 # Domonoky_: here? I'm still unable to compile rbutil. I used to be able but maybe something changed on my system 00.57.20 # gevaerts: were the errors always at transfer sizes boundaries? 00.57.32 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.58.17 # jhMikeS: no. It was always at (start of transfer + 0x220), copying bytes from (start of transfer + 0x200) 00.58.49 # So just after the end of the first block 01.01.24 Quit B--daW (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.03.49 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.03.55 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.05.57 Quit sdfsf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.08.03 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b00b748@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f762e203435c380) 01.08.36 Join sdfsf [0] (n=atlan@104-200.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 01.08.45 Quit desowin () 01.09.26 # Why havnn't fs#8576 and fs#8577 got looked at even though they are 2 wks old? 01.09.41 Quit Rincewind ("bye") 01.10.25 # Anyone around who deals with the default cabbiev2 theme? 01.10.30 # Most patches get looked at within 2 or so days! 01.10.45 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.45 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.11.29 # countrymonkey: It's a conspiracy 01.11.46 # Another one ? 01.11.55 # Or the same? 01.13.32 # countrymonkey: You have got to stop using notepad 01.14.45 # countrymonkey: 8576 has received attention already by the way. 8577 is so redundant that I don't know where to start, so I'm just going to close that. 01.17.08 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 01.17.32 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC") 01.17.52 # Evilnick_: yeah whats up 01.18.23 # saratoga: Just updated to a new build with cabbiev2 as the default theme. 01.18.47 # So I saved my previous settings, i.e. from a build where it wasn't default. 01.18.53 # Then deleted the .rockbox folder 01.20.00 # When I tried to load my config file, the background disappeared and the font turned into grey boxes. I'm guessing that since cabbiev2 is now defined as the default that this is expected behaviour? 01.21.10 # Evilnick_: no idea 01.22.09 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.23.07 # actually, if you're using a langauge not supported by the default theme you might get the boxes 01.23.32 # in which case, you should switch to a font with full unicode support 01.23.40 # It's just english, so that can't be it 01.24.00 # The only language I can think of not supported by the default theme would be Hebrew 01.24.01 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.24.15 # I'm trying a comparison of the older build's .cfg file and a brand new one to see if there are any obvious naming changes 01.24.16 # * rasher would love a nimbus-variant of the cabbiev2 theme 01.25.02 # well if anyone wants to change cabbie, its all done through #defines in settings_list.c, so its now quite easy to make adjustments 01.25.33 # (which everyone making a new port should do for their device once they're added to the build table) 01.26.12 # gevaerts: I have some rather odd results for you. I tried highspeed on my mini again 01.26.23 # saratoga: It's probably a fairly small chance of someone doing exactly the same as me anyway that the effort for that probably isn't worth it in th elong run! 01.27.27 # amiconn: what happened ? 01.27.38 # When connecting it via my hub, it still doesn't work. But when connecting it directly, it does work. The speeds are also "interesting": ~930KB/s write, ~2.1MB/s read 01.28.18 # I think cabbiev2 looks so much better using the appropriately sized nimbus font (nimbus-12 on e200). Why was sazanami-wossname picked? 01.28.21 # But the hub itself is 100% okay, as it works for all other devices 01.28.39 # md5sum does match, btw 01.29.00 # * amiconn checks speeds with apple diskmode 01.30.30 # things also are "interesting" when disconnecting a device with "Safely Remove Hardware" vs. just unplugging it. RB doesn't detect the first very well and showing of the USB screen is rather dodgey even though a connection is made. 01.31.19 # * amiconn wouldn't notice that himself 01.31.44 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.32.03 # Currently showing the USB screen _is_ dodgey. It basically needs to be enumerated before a certain timeout has elapsed. This gets influenced by connection speed, other devices on the bus, hubs,... The rework I'm doing fixes that. 01.32.12 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.32.18 # * jhMikeS just tries everything to test things 01.33.06 # I'm not sure what safely remove hardware does exactly. I'll try to find out next week 01.33.22 # OF diskmode speed: ~1.6MB/s write, ~2.1MB/s read 01.33.53 # I.e. read speed is practically identical, but for writing, rockbox is significantly slower. And there's this hub problem 01.34.00 # Do you have test_disk speed results as well ? 01.34.39 # The hub problem is probably related to the errors I see in my dmesg output. I want to check them out at work next week with a real usb tracer 01.35.25 # It's basically impossible to debug usb problems that are not just missing protocol bits using only software 01.35.49 # * amiconn is running test_disk speed tests @80MHz 01.40.55 # http://pastebin.ca/915748 01.42.46 # Meh, when did dircache get enabled on this? /me doesn't want it on mini 01.44.33 Join fed [0] (n=63e88a81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f31157bc62b36ac) 01.45.21 # does anyone here know why the sansapatcher does not work with the new sansa player (I have an e280) 01.47.38 # Is it a "v2" e280? 01.48.24 # amiconn: it seems you get about the same usb vs test_disk speed difference as I do on my c250 01.48.33 # I don't know. My old one failed, so I brought it in, and gave me a new one. 01.48.52 # fed: What's the version number of the original firmware? 01.49.21 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 01.49.27 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.49.29 # The firmware is v03.01.11A 01.49.46 # Then I'm sorry to say that's a "v2" and won't work with Rockbox (it's completely different hardware) 01.50.01 # No 01.50.16 # You are joking, I hope... 01.50.21 # * linuxstb hands fed a stick to beat Sandisk with 01.50.24 # No. 01.50.41 # Can I install the old firmware? 01.50.53 # no, the v2 is completely different hardware. 01.51.09 # Do you know if anyone is working on a new port? 01.51.34 # you could check the New Ports forum; there is a thread there, but no unsigned code has been run yet. 01.51.53 # er, no custom code, i mean. 01.52.05 Join zedd_D1abl1 [0] (n=jordan@ppp118-208-63-229.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net) 01.52.08 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 01.52.09 # I am totally devastated! 01.52.26 # * Febs thinks fed needs a different nick. 01.52.41 # :) 01.52.49 # fed: it's an opportunity to start porting ;) 01.54.11 # a whole new level 01.56.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 01.57.14 Quit ali_as ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz") 01.57.43 # well, thanks for the info. 01.57.48 # Until next... 01.58.04 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 01.58.17 Quit fed ("CGI:IRC") 01.59.33 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 01.59.39 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 02.04.29 Join basti [0] (i=bnc@85.214.109.173) 02.05.32 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 02.09.08 Quit csc` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.17 Quit barrywardell_ () 02.19.34 Quit kies (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.20.29 Join kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-99-147-20-102.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 02.23.31 Quit MajorC () 02.24.35 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 02.25.58 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.32.05 Quit gevaerts ("time to sleep") 02.34.09 Join csc`` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 02.35.02 Quit csc` (Nick collision from services.) 02.35.14 Nick csc`` is now known as csc` (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 02.40.57 Join garthex [0] (i=[hXDMs99@eclipse.cise.ufl.edu) 02.42.41 # Hi, I'm setting up the .voice file using Rockbox Utility 1.0.4 and I'm trying to find the most natural sounding TTS engine and voice, any suggestions? 02.43.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.44.41 Join fxb_ [0] (n=felixbru@p548F7F20.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.57.55 Quit garthex ("The Bersirc are coming! 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#politics 08.25.17 Quit Nevtus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.35.00 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.35.11 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCFA15.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.35.16 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.42.21 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.42.51 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.43.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.50.59 Join rvvs89 [0] (n=rvvs89@pdpc/supporter/active/rvvs89) 08.53.05 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.53.23 Join Axio` [0] (n=Axio``@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 08.55.49 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.56.17 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 09.03.04 Part johnh51 ("Leaving") 09.17.05 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 09.23.37 Quit midgey () 09.24.55 Nick sdfsf is now known as replix (n=atlan@104-200.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 09.26.55 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.28.50 Quit Axio` (Remote closed the connection) 09.35.04 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@node-29-1.adsl.tula.net) 09.36.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.38.28 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 09.40.36 Join Iv^a_na [0] (i=simeon@c-76-106-232-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 09.42.44 # * linuxstb struggles through the last 7 houtrs of logs... 09.49.45 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 09.50.01 Part Iv^a_na 09.54.09 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 10.00.00 # hi everybody 10.00.36 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 10.00.42 # can somebody help me? i have few questions about rockbox firmware 10.00.50 # Just ask... 10.00.55 # =) 10.00.57 # ok 10.00.57 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 10.01.00 # thanx 10.02.23 # do you know is it real to use ipod as simple flash player after patching with rockbox? 10.02.48 # iam sorry about my english ) 10.03.06 # What do you mean by "flash player"? 10.03.52 # i mean is it possible to upload music on ipod not using itunes 10.04.10 # yes 10.04.17 # good 10.04.19 # thank you 10.04.28 # and one more moment 10.04.35 # Rockbox doesn't need any software on your PC - it just appears as an external hard drive, and will find any music you copy to it. 10.04.45 # did anybody install rockbox in linux? 10.05.14 # iam not sure that all will be clear with it 10.05.17 # Yes, lots of us use Rockbox with Linux 10.05.28 # how i can do it? via wine? 10.05.41 # or.. i dont know ) 10.05.57 # No need for Wine - the installation tools run in linux natively. 10.06.14 # Which ipod do you have? 10.06.14 # really? :) nice 10.06.21 # 30 Gb Video 10.07.54 # hm.. look 10.08.26 # in manual that Ive find said that I need to exec Ipodpatcher.exe 10.08.35 # but there is no such file 10.08.46 # and anyway iam in linux now 10.09.12 # and I dont have windows on my pc ) 10.09.38 # please explain how to install rockbox in linux 10.09.43 # there is a linux steps there 10.09.50 # ipodpatcher is available as a linux binary 10.10.01 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-90002.3 10.10.20 # scroll down to "Bootloader installation from Linux" 10.10.41 # thanks a lot 10.10.43 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 10.13.29 # Ive downloaded binary file.. it should have .bin extension yes? 10.14.11 # no 10.14.47 # it's just called "ipodpatcher" no extension 10.14.59 # ok 10.16.40 # this patch included just bootloader in it? 10.18.28 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 10.18.50 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.18.50 # guys 10.18.51 Quit corevette (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.59 # I dont understand one moment 10.19.07 # what I need to do first 10.19.13 # install this patch 10.19.25 # or install rockbox? 10.19.37 # or this is the same? :) 10.19.47 # you can't "install" a patch. 10.20.11 # patches (or better, diffs) get applied. 10.20.18 # Anyone else getting a message about "cannot stat rockbox/icons/viewers.bmp" when making a zip? 10.20.52 # amiconn: deleted that file yesterday 10.20.57 # Bagder: just got an idea ... how about adding a link to rbutil on the build.rockbox.org download page? 10.21.19 # sorry, english is not my native language ) 10.21.25 # and diffs go against the source, not the binary. 10.22.09 # n1s: And now there's some WPS that incorrectly references it? 10.22.28 # wisp_sh: me neither. I just wanted to make clear that there is a substantial difference between the so-called "patches" (I prefer calling them "diffs", because that's what they are) and binary patches (like MS distributes them) 10.22.52 # in order to apply a patch you need to be able to compile. 10.23.01 # Lear: I have no idea how all that works but probably something like that 10.24.53 # bluebrother ok ) Ive applied this patch. what is the next step? ) 10.25.27 # well, build the sources. Then you'll get a zip file which you can extract to the player as you do for the official builds. 10.25.44 # WPSLIST:39 references that file 10.26.54 Join BitTorment [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 10.28.05 # bluebrother just copy zip file to ipod? i dont understand a little sorry 10.28.25 # Lear: Looks like I forgot to change a line in WPSLIST... 10.28.30 # the manual tells you how to do a manual install. You need to extract the zip to the root of your player 10.28.39 # oh 10.28.53 # ive missed this line in manual 10.28.57 # or are we talking about different things? What are you trying to achieve? 10.29.06 # too much english today for me ) 10.30.14 # if you want to install an official build you can simply use Rockbox Utility. If you want to add patches it's a lot more complicated. 10.31.00 # i want to install rockbox 10.31.01 # Lear, n1s: The viewers.bmp in icons/ was wrong because it was used unconditionally for both colour and non-colour targets 10.31.04 # nothing else 10.31.12 # dang. Ok, in that case I got you wrong. 10.31.27 # sorry for the confusion. 10.31.46 # well, just try Rockbox Utility -- http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility 10.31.55 # The correct one is generated from apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/viewers..bmp, and will always be included 10.32.32 # But because of this, the themes wanting the default must no longer reference it explicitly, but set it to empty instead 10.32.56 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-165-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.33.05 # I overlooked one wps in WPSLIST (the first one, because of the load of comments surrounding that line) 10.33.42 # fixed now 10.33.50 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 10.34.12 Join zh [0] (n=3ea73654@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-623895ef7e436601) 10.34.59 # * amiconn wonders why the 'make zip' output isn't part of the build server logs 10.36.00 Quit zh (Client Quit) 10.38.14 # hmm 10.38.40 # how i can boot the original firmware? what keys i need to press? 10.38.53 # Yay, the weird resube bugs seem to be fixed for me now :) 10.38.56 # flip the hold switch during boot 10.39.12 # the manual holds this and a lot of other helpful things ;-) 10.39.32 # bluebrother thanks :) 10.39.34 Quit replix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.41.09 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.41.34 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F944.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.43.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.48.28 # and how i can reboot manully from original firmware? :) 10.48.59 # press and hold Menu + Select (assuming you're using a recent ipod) 10.49.36 # yahoo 10.49.38 # =) 10.49.46 # rockbox installed :) 10.49.55 # thank you everybody 10.50.02 # for your help 10.50.11 # oh, and one question: have you used the "Complete Install" from Rockbox Utility? 10.50.31 # Ive installed it manually 10.50.42 # I want to figure out if that option still has issues or it's fixed. 10.50.58 # ok. You might want to install some themes though ;-) 10.52.27 # bluebrother: unrelated rbutil question: does the bootloader installation for iaudios tell the user that he has to connect the charger for the flashing to work? 10.52.52 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.53.33 # n1s: from looking at the source, yes. 10.53.55 # it doesn't explicitly says that the charger is necessary. Might be a good addition 10.56.44 # * bluebrother out, bbl 10.56.46 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 10.57.20 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 10.58.44 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 11.08.39 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-239-158.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.09.38 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.09.52 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.15.24 Join Benjamin_L [0] (n=benni@pD9EE3CCE.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.15.46 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-012-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.17.51 Quit Benjamin_L (Remote closed the connection) 11.26.28 Quit petur ("shopping") 11.27.09 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.27.09 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.29.08 # hm 11.29.18 # can anyone explain 11.29.44 # in which folder upload music with installed rockbox? 11.31.17 # anywhere on player 11.31.36 # and then you browse to that directory on player 11.31.55 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 11.32.04 # the .rockbox folder is not recommended, though 11.32.21 # ok 11.32.25 # thank you :) 11.33.06 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 11.33.22 Quit MajorC (Client Quit) 11.36.11 Quit CaptainSquid83 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.40.29 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client") 11.41.56 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drv225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 11.47.40 Quit ch4os_ (Remote closed the connection) 11.47.53 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 11.48.21 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 11.50.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.52.48 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967BA0.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.53.36 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B03229F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.00.11 Quit desowin () 12.02.32 Part pixelma 12.05.37 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.148.67) 12.11.08 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dtl5.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 12.11.15 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 12.11.17 Join stel [0] (n=steve_la@78.144.179.248) 12.11.25 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 12.11.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet31.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.16.18 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B160C79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.27.52 Quit gregzx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.35.41 Quit asdrubal (Remote closed the connection) 12.35.47 Quit gregzx_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 12.36.09 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtl5.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 12.43.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.44.06 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 12.48.52 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.57.14 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.01.00 Part stel 13.03.46 Join ali_as [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 13.05.05 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 13.06.00 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 13.06.07 # Lear: thanks for the fix, my "broken" folders (as described in FS#8520) work again now :) 13.10.03 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@host86-143-142-204.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) 13.11.40 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.11.52 Join crazy_bus [0] (n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-40-89.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 13.12.56 # is there anyway to press space in the vkeyboard on the spectrum emulator. I'm trying to load a game but I can't get past the initial game screen 13.13.59 # from my experience loading spectum tapes takes a lot of time 13.14.14 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.43 # but once you have save state after loading it works nicely :-) 13.16.59 Join Stripwax [0] (n=Stripwax@general-ld-218.t-mobile.co.uk) 13.17.21 # So it's just like the real one 13.17.23 # the tape loads. But it doesn't progress past the copyright notice. I think it's waiting for something 13.17.33 # two question: 1. is the CPU boosted while reading from HDD? 2. what is the chunk size when buffering from HDD? 13.18.28 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@c5147518c.cable.wanadoo.nl) 13.19.11 Quit Stripwax (Client Quit) 13.19.19 # Buschel: the ata driver itself doesn't boost 13.19.50 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-395552.home.otenet.gr) 13.20.59 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-247.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.23.14 # i wonder if boosting while HDD-read could reduce the uptime of the disc for buffering. maybe another way to save some power... 13.23.40 # AFAIK the buffering boosts, dunno where though... 13.23.42 # pixelma: awesome news :) 13.23.55 # maybe Nico_P knows :) 13.24.01 # playback.c does it, I think, maybe buffering.c too. 13.24.30 # buffering.c does boostin buffer_handle 13.24.45 # For the usb stack, at least for sd-card, boosting significantly increases performance 13.26.10 # hello 13.27.59 # Nico_P: ok. and 2nd question: the "standard" chunksize for buffering is BUFFERING_DEFAULT_FILECHUNK (=16KB)? 13.28.12 # yes 13.29.29 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 13.30.37 # Buschel: have you noticed improvement with Lear's commit? (and also jhMikeS' on Friday) 13.31.17 # specifically, r16392 and r16367 13.31.34 # I did not measure yet. Just had some thoughts about this... I'll check. 13.34.58 # thanks :) 13.36.57 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.38.10 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 13.40.57 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@c5147518c.cable.wanadoo.nl) 13.44.20 # just tried newest build: doesnt seem to bsod vista now 13.45.09 # wait nevermind. 13.48.44 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 13.49.56 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@c5147518c.cable.wanadoo.nl) 13.56.04 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@pD955F301.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.56.46 Quit crazy_bus ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 14.02.33 # Bah, nasty resume problems :( 14.03.00 # still? 14.03.19 # In a flac album, I played just a part of the first track. When resuming later, that track started from the beginning instead of the correct resume problem 14.03.28 # s/problem/position/ 14.03.38 # amiconn: are you up to date? 14.03.40 # amiconn: latest SVN? 14.03.57 # And when track 1 ended, it continued playing track 3, not track 2 as it should 14.04.02 # r16396 14.04.29 # :( 14.04.55 # and why can't I ever see those issues? :( 14.05.22 # r16392 fixed my problems... 14.05.35 # * Nico_P has to go... bbs 14.06.25 # I didn't notice those issues with mp3, but the majority of albums on my H180 is flac 14.06.51 # * n1s tries flac 14.07.41 Join BitTorment_ [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 14.08.34 # yep, here too, resuming sometimes start from the beginning of the track and sometimes skips 2 tracks ahead... 14.08.45 # with flac, vorbis works fine now... 14.09.04 # on h320 14.15.17 # wow, the tuner in the beast supports RDS, now if there were anything worth listening to on the radio... 14.19.39 # No surprise flac doesn't work, it tries to read stuff before taginfo_ready is set. I'll fix. 14.20.41 # (Not that I could see the problem myself, but that was on a flash target and no album art present...) 14.21.12 # * amiconn uses no album art 14.21.27 # * Lear knew that 14.22.37 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-012-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.22.55 Quit BitTorment (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.23.34 Join azdrubal [0] (n=abc@unaffiliated/asdrubal) 14.24.24 # n1s: "the beast" == Gigabeat S? 14.24.30 # yeah 14.24.32 # ;) 14.25.20 # do you have one? 14.25.45 # yes, i got one through "scorce super shipping service" :) 14.25.59 # s/scroce/scorche 14.26.41 # n1s: do you plan on doing some low level stuff for it? 14.26.52 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.27.05 # Could someone help me with rbutil for windows? 14.27.06 # my first tests with the new USB-stack (USE_ROCKBOX_USB, USE_HIGH_SPEED) weren't that promising. using w2k, hub and 5.5G 14.27.10 # It won't detect my sansa 14.27.18 Join remotechief_311 [0] (n=markus@217-162-226-15.dclient.hispeed.ch) 14.27.21 # markun: I am interested but currently most of what needs to be done is way over my head 14.27.50 # I need help... it won't detect my sansa 14.27.54 # I think one of the important things is to get USB working 14.28.00 # Lear: that ls command should indeed use -n rather than -l 14.28.01 # I have the sansa plugged in hard drive mode 14.28.06 # I can broase the filesystem on it 14.28.09 # browse 14.28.29 # but rbutil can't detect anything 14.29.22 # could someone help me pretty please? 14.29.33 Join BitTorment__ [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 14.30.01 # azdrubal: try pointing it at it manually by selecting the drive 14.30.07 # I did 14.30.16 # I typed in f:\ and selected c200 14.30.23 # Hm, mpc and ape are likely to have resume problems too. Someone should probably go through the codecs and make sure they all have the proper "wait for taginfo_ready" loop (e.g., as in vorbis.c). 14.30.34 # I wonder what USB 0v8, 2v0 and 4v4 are: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MC13783Regs#Interrupt_Sense_0_Register_2 14.31.12 # aliask put it there, so I guess he will know 14.31.35 # And yes I have a V1 14.31.37 Nick azdrubal is now known as asdrubal (n=abc@unaffiliated/asdrubal) 14.32.25 # asdrubal: What happens when you try to install the bootloader? 14.32.36 # sansa c200 not detected 14.32.40 # installing rockbox seemed to work 14.32.47 # lets see if it boots up 14.32.55 # Try downloading sansapatcher and running it manually 14.33.07 # Which OS are you using? 14.33.13 # is the bootloader updates constantly like rockbox is? 14.33.36 # No. Bootloader updates are very rare 14.34.23 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust498.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.34.54 Join kikkoman`` [0] (n=oo@cpe-75-84-154-119.socal.res.rr.com) 14.36.00 # good morning :) 14.36.44 # i just installed rockbox last night, and i plugged my ipod into the computer and it bluescreens... 14.36.55 # 80gig hdd. windows XP x64 14.37.05 # er, 80gig ipod :p 14.37.57 # does it work if you manually restart in the original firmware? 14.39.28 # That sounds like the problem fyrestorm reported earlier. Can you try the build from 2008-02-22 ? 14.39.48 Join webguest82 [0] (n=53ed3c49@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-16b7b9fb2d363b11) 14.39.51 Quit webguest82 (Client Quit) 14.41.07 # is there a "sync" equivalent in windows? 14.42.32 # Lear: fix works for me :) 14.42.34 # ooo i think i found a fix 14.42.53 Quit BitTorment_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.43.29 # i actually did two things.. i was using anapod manager before i put rockbox on here... so i ended that program 14.43.34 # yay I got it workin 14.43.35 # sweetness 14.43.42 # then i put the ipod into.. "disk mode" 14.43.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.44.06 # i'll take it out of diskmode and try again, then we'll know which one fixed it 14.46.39 # kikkoman``: 2008-02-22 is the last build that doesnt BSOD me 14.46.48 Quit kikkoman`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.46.48 Quit remotechief_311 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.47.00 # yeah he bluescreened. 14.49.49 # * gevaerts goes to try and reproduce this on a sansa and Windows XP 32 14.52.06 Join kikkoman`` [0] (n=oo@cpe-75-84-154-119.socal.res.rr.com) 14.52.49 # ok just a follow up... running the ipod in "disk mode" before i plugged it in fixed it 14.53.39 # what's the current build status for USB in rockbox mode for sansa? 14.53.47 # can I try it? 14.54.08 # kikkoman``: that's expected, and probably the easiest workaround for now 14.54.14 # Doh it rebooted the sansa 14.54.29 # yeah thats how i have to do it too 14.54.45 # also, i get random restarts and total battery drains playing SPC files 14.54.46 # asdrubal: Yeah, that happened to me last night as well (plain Rockbox build) 14.55.13 # asdrubal: USB mass storage is not enabled in the official build yet. I expect to start offering unofficial builds in a few days 14.55.41 # coolness 14.56.08 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4D142.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.56.12 # gevaerts, I read somewhere that there is power drain after plugging in USB ? 14.56.52 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 14.57.23 # asdrubal: there shouldn't be. It should charge. Do you remember where you read it ? 14.57.38 # irc maybe 14.59.44 # well thanks guys. really happy with rockbox. i've suggested it to people for so long, but never tried it till yesterday.. the games are going to keep me awake at night now 15.00.29 # kikkoman``: have fun. The usb BSOD problem should be solved in a few days 15.00.46 # i'll check back in then. would it be on the main news page? 15.00.49 Quit m0f0x (Connection reset by peer) 15.01.03 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-71-6.dsl.telesp.net.br) 15.01.36 # the work around isn't hard.. just knowing me i'll forgot a lot and just plug it in 15.01.56 # gevearts: I reported the power drain after one-time USB-plugging. that was even before your submits into svn 15.02.03 # Is there anyone around with an ipod 5G who can do his/her own builds, can bisect, and can reproduce the BSOD problem ? 15.02.16 # Buschel: ok. I won't worry too much about it then 15.02.42 # Buschel: hasn't that been fixed by barrywardell a bit later? 15.03.19 # gevaerts: but maybe you've got any idea? maybe connected to the register configuration of some USB-registers? not the DEV_EN registers, but some USB-controller's? 15.03.54 # Buschel: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/usb-fw-pp502x.c?view=log&pathrev=16354 15.04.15 # pixelma: no, barry's fix did solve excessive draining, but not the still remaining ~1.7mA 15.06.40 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b4pre/2008022204]") 15.06.42 # Buschel: I'll go through the USB controller registers in the imx31 spec and see if I find something interesting 15.09.09 # gevaerts: Am I right in thinking that windows is wrong in relying on the USB version to determine possible speed? 15.09.23 # Afaik USB2.0 does not *demand* highspeed support 15.09.34 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.10.54 # gevaerts: your latest commit also enabled logf for that file 15.11.34 # gevaerts: i can make my own builds btut i dont know how to bisect :p 15.13.20 # fyrestorm, you get a revision that has the issue, and one that doesn't 15.13.41 # then you make a build that's right in between those 2 revision 15.13.56 # all i know is the revision from 20080222 works 15.14.09 # amiconn: true, but this is the easiest way to do it, and I know it works. The official way would be to stall the request for a device qualifier descriptor, but that would require lots of testing to make sure it doesn't break anything. As this is a temporary measure (USE_HIGH_SPEED will go once high-speed works reliably), I think this is the best way. 15.14.33 # fyrestorm: can you checkout from svn ? 15.14.43 # Revision is best named in SVN revision numbers fyrestorm 15.14.45 # im really new to building things 15.14.50 # so i dont understand alot 15.16.23 # if someone could walk me through what to do, id be happy to test 15.17.24 # fyrestorm: I'll make some builds for you to test. 15.17.34 # will do then 15.19.35 # fyrestorm: just to check that I remember everything correctly : official builds up to and including 20080222 work, and starting from 20080223 they don't ? 15.19.46 # yes 15.21.30 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955F194.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.26.48 Quit asdrubal ("Leaving") 15.26.53 # fyrestorm: now building... You'll get 9 builds. Once I uploaded them, the way to do this is to try the first to check if it's ok, then try the last to check if it fails. If not, there's something fishy going on as they should be equivalent to 20080222 and 20080223. 15.27.06 # sure 15.27.09 # ill go in order 15.27.57 # fyrestorm: Then try the one halfway. If that works, try one halfway that one and the last, else halfway that one and the first, and so on... Of course, with only nine builds, you can start at the first and go up until it fails 15.28.36 # sure thing. just zip them in order and ill get to it 15.29.19 # fyrestorm: They idea is not to do them in order, but rather do the bare minimum needed to circle in on which one broke 15.29.28 # oh ok 15.29.45 # Of course, this is less important when there are only 9 15.30.50 # Of course, since the bug involves a BSOD, failing tests can take some time... 15.30.59 # ive got a spare sysyem 15.31.00 # system 15.32.54 # * gevaerts should really install a rockbox build environment on his core duo system 15.33.29 # ive got the vmware package 15.33.46 # but im still really new XD 15.34.23 # I'm doing development on my laptop, but I have a server here that's much faster. It doesn't really matter for one build, but for nine ... 15.34.32 # yeah heh 15.35.58 # Now uploading. 15.38.48 Quit MethoS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.40.33 # fyrestorm: builds are at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/testbuilds/ 15.40.36 Join Benjamin_L [0] (n=benni@pD9EE3CCE.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.41.27 # is there help needed for high speed usb tests on the sansa e series? I could do whatever you need ^^ 15.41.36 Quit Buschel () 15.42.01 # gevaerts: dling now 15.42.56 # gonna work backwards from the middle 15.43.42 # fyrestorm: well if the middle works, then you'd better work forwards 15.43.51 # i know 15.43.53 # :P 15.46.52 # Benjamin_L: there seems to be a bug in the flash driver on the sansas (at least the c) that makes writing from high-speed usb unreliable. Can you make a build with USE_ROCKBOX_USB and USE_HIGH_SPEED defined, and try writing a large file (preferably to the SD card, since that's a lot safer), then unmount, remount, read it back and verify if the files are identical. 15.47.24 # ok then first i need to get it building, never built rockbox before 15.47.50 # and i don't have a microsd card ^^ 15.48.45 # Benjamin_L: I could provide test builds, but using the internal flash to identify a write error will probably lead to having to reinstall everything. Better leave that to someone who has an sd card... 15.49.01 # * rasher is on it 15.49.48 # ok 15.49.56 # * desowin tests if data were saved successfully by puting sd card in card reader :) 15.50.29 # desowin: reading seems to be reliable... 15.51.50 # you mean sansa->pc reliable, otherwise not? 15.53.07 # I write to card by sansa and read it in reader 15.54.02 # gevaerts: does sd vs sdhc matter? 15.55.41 # rasher: no idea. That would be useful to know as well 15.56.10 # I'll try both. Trying SD now, 420MB file 15.56.13 # desowin: that seems to be the case, yes. At least on my c250 15.57.26 # And by takig out a udelay() that the comments explicitly say is needed to make it work, makes it work here... 15.57.43 # * rasher got a reset 15.58.11 # Just one though 15.58.17 # Done in about 2-3 minutes 15.58.40 # rasher: I see lots of resets (and other errors) at high speed, especially on reading but they don't seem to slow it down much. 15.59.33 # gevaerts 15.59.42 # 16374 is the problem build 16.00.16 # the first time it appeared? 16.00.18 # regarding that comment I could only see that it was added here in early state and became obsolete... but I haven't checked svn blame though 16.01.14 # gevaerts: md5sum matches for 420MB filed copied from PC->microSD card on an e200 16.02.42 # Trying a hc card now 16.04.50 # fyrestorm: So everything up to 16372 works ? I'll try to find out why 16374 doesn't. Thanks for testing 16.04.55 # welcome 16.04.57 # and yes 16.05.31 # 420MB copied in 2:25 :) 16.05.52 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 16.06.34 # * gevaerts likes high speed in general 16.06.52 # md5sum doesn't match though... 16.07.09 # This was with sdhc - doesn't have to mean that's the problem, of course 16.07.27 # And I'm using a cardreader, so the problem happened when writing 16.08.33 # It might mean that the problem is harder to reproduce on e200. 16.08.57 Join asdrubal [0] (n=dribbles@unaffiliated/asdrubal) 16.09.26 # * gevaerts assumes that ata-c200_e200.c was mainly tested on e200 during initial development 16.11.13 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3F944.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.14.48 # * gevaerts dislikes the svn habit to add 'r' in front of every revision number in its output, and then rejecting revision numbers starting with 'r' on input 16.20.30 # does anyone use ubuntu or debian and knows where to get this arm-elf-gcc? 16.20.38 # Benjamin_L: Compile it 16.21.47 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.22.09 # Benjamin_L: the rockbox source has a script tools/rockboxdev.sh that builds arm-elf-gcc (and other needed tools) 16.22.51 Join kushal_one [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 16.23.02 # * gevaerts really doesn't see how 16374 can make windows crash 16.23.23 # gevaerts: do you want me to do more testing? 16.24.09 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 16.24.13 # Hey rockboxers! 16.24.16 # Benjamin_L, i do... did you try sudo apt-get install arm-elf-gcc? 16.24.55 # kikkoman``: That won't work. Debian does not ship gcc crosscompilers 16.24.56 # nevermind. gevaerts answered better 16.25.13 # Hello, I think I have bricked my Sandisk Sansa c250. The computer I use with my RockBox is a macbook with Mac OS X 10.4. I wanted to copy all files in the sansa disk to a place in the hard disk but somehow I ended up deleting everything. I did not realize what I had done until it was too late. Now when I turn the device on, it does not have anything in the display but only the backlight to the navigation buttons. Can I reverse this process? Pleasehel 16.25.13 # p ...I think the problem is that the part of the storage on the sandisk sansa c250 that I can modify is blank. I accidentally deleted it. 16.25.13 # Recovery mode does not work, neither does the Volume up + right navigation mode. A friend suggested that the device might be stuck in some sort of manufacturer mode. Please help me. How can I unbrick this player? 16.25.15 # I think the problem is that the part of the storage on the sandisk sansa c250 that I can modify is blank. I accidentally deleted it. 16.25.18 # Recovery mode does not work, neither does the Volume up + right navigation mode. 16.25.20 # A friend suggested that the device might be stuck in some sort of manufacturer mode. Please help me. How can I unbrick this player? 16.25.24 # i just guessed, i ahve no idea what arm-elf-gcc is 16.25.45 # rasher: it seems that the sd driver behaves slightly differently on e200 than on c200, but I think more testing can reveal only what numbers work best _most of the time_, which IMHO isn't good enough. Someone needs to find out how to fix this properly (preferably someone who knows this driver) 16.26.01 # The player does not even show up on my macbook (10.4.11). It shows the notification bubble on a Windows machine but it still does not work. 16.26.02 # Bootloader mod did not work on my mac. 16.26.02 # Let me add some detail if they help. Just before the player stopped working, I think I ended up deleting everything in the player when I wanted to back up the files. I remember that the player worked even after this but it stopped working once I turned it off and back on. 16.26.02 DBUG Sent KICK kushal_one to server 16.26.02 # Is there anything I can do? 16.26.02 Kick (#rockbox kushal_one :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 16.26.25 Join kushal_one [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 16.27.01 # kushal_one: you need to use e200tool to fix your sansa which is indeed stuck in manufacturer mode 16.27.01 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.27.44 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 16.28.04 # gevaerts: thanks, running it right now 16.33.50 # gevaerts: so your theory is that it isn't an USB problem, but a ata driver problem? 16.36.01 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.36.03 # rasher: yes. Everything points to that. reading back from flash what hasjust been written from the UMS driver shows a difference, the error is 32-byte aligned somehow (which is the SD chunk size), the error has a size of two bytes (SD works with words), removing the udelay() seems to fix it, and it doesn't seem to be reproducible on disk targets 16.40.11 # Good thing the sansas are not used much for recording, or we'd have been lynched by now 16.40.17 # Buschel: I found two possible register settings that might influence power consumption. Can you test them, or should I ask someone else (I can't really do it myself, as I can't realistically do three full battery tests now) 16.41.48 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.41.53 # rasher: for some reason I can't reproduce it without USB. test_disk doesn't see it and copying a large file within rockbox doesn't trigger it either, so USB probably does something (timing, RAM access, ...) that makes it more likely 16.41.54 # gevaerts: I had some strange issues with the USB-stack. In HIGH_SPEED mode it was recognized by win2k, but it took minutes until the driver letter was assigned. Then there was no access possible to the device. When using FULL_SPEED everything seem to work fine until I started to copy a 200MB-file to my iPod: The multicard reader attached to the same hub was dis- and reconnected several dozen times... Is this known? 16.43.06 # could the ipod simply drain too much energy, leaving the hub with not enough power to keep the card reader "alice"? 16.43.14 # (wild guess) 16.43.23 # based on nothing 16.43.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.45.12 # Buschel: the first one is known. I hadn't heard about the second problem yet. I'm starting to suspect that there is a signal quality issue somewhere. Is it possible that somehow the usb controller needs a higher voltage to work properly ? 16.45.22 # * gevaerts assumes that alice is alive 16.46.18 # Horscht: if it were a power drain issue, I think the problems would also occur without a busy transfer 16.47.10 # hmm... if my iPod 3G is plugged into a dock with Firewire just providing power from an AC adapter, it turns off periodically (which is normal) and then immediately starts back up (which I don't think is normal{ 16.49.26 # rasher, how does the e200tool work? 16.52.16 # kushal_one: I don't know much about it - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool.html 16.52.43 # thanks, rasher 16.53.36 # gevaerts: but wouldn't the iPod disconnect, if there would be an power issue with the USB-controller? But the iPod's connection seemed stable, only the other device disconnected... 16.54.14 # gevaerts: and btw, what registers did you find that may influence power consumption? 16.54.33 # since, Tiger is Unix-like just like Linux, the e200tool should work on it. but I don't want to do anything even more stupid than I have already done 16.57.21 # Buschel: the port control register (REG_PORTSC1) has a bit to stop the PHY clock, which could be enabled by setting "REG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PHY_LOW_POWER_SPD;" at the end of usb_drv_exit() in usb-drv-pp502x.c, or the entire controller could be reset with "REG_USBCMD |= USBCMD_CTRL_RESET;" at the same place. Both need to be called after the REG_USBCMD &= ~USBCMD_RUN line. I think the first is more likely to help, the second one is more of a guess 16.57.34 # kushal_one, there's a pre-built e200tool for osx in a recent mailing list post, should you need it. 16.58.18 # gevaerts: what is the configuration of REG_PORTSC1 before attaching USB the first time? 16.58.32 # Buschel: and as far as electrical problems are concerned, USB behaviour is pretty much unpredictable if you have them 16.58.36 # yes, that would be great, krazykit. could you link me? A link to the instructions in simple english would be great too 17.00.34 # kushal_one, flip through this thread. it has a link for e200tool-mac and some clarifications of instructions, should you need them: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-02/0174.shtml 17.01.32 # Buschel: I don't know. I'll test and find out 17.02.47 # If Daniel is correct, my c250 is not bricked ... a ray of hope ... 17.03.49 # kushal_one: As far as we know, it's impossible to really brick a c250 without physically damaging it. 17.04.01 # There's nothing indicating it is. You've merely rendered it unable to get past manufacturer mode 17.04.53 # gevaerts: and what about REG_USBMODE? there is some USBMODE_CTRL_MODE_IDLE defined for this register? 17.04.54 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.131) 17.05.54 # I am flipping through the thread and I will ask questions here if i find something too hard for me. thank you very much. i feel lighter already 17.05.55 # amiconn: have you tried Lear's FLAC fix? 17.06.49 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 17.06.52 # Buschel: yes. you could try that one as well. 17.08.54 # found it at http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200tool-mac now all I need are the instructions to work it 17.09.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.09.13 # Buschel: The spec says that you have to reset it before you change USB_MODE. 17.09.19 # Ok, now my sansa reboots ok when I plug the cable :) 17.09.47 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.11.31 # kushal_one, those instructions are on the SansaE200Unbrick page. you need to go through manufacture mode then into recovery mode. 17.12.43 Quit barrywardell () 17.15.07 # linuxstb: can you see anything about r16374 that could explain a windows BSOD when plugging in an ipod ? 17.15.18 # why does quicktime want to open the binary file? Do I need to rename the extension or something? 17.15.48 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be) 17.16.59 # kushal_one, you should be running it from Terminal 17.17.59 # how? I have no idea, I used google desktop to open terminal and I came up with the command prompt. please help me . 17.18.23 # this is explained in the mailing list thread i linked to you. 17.18.37 # the window says terminal - bash - 80 x 24 17.18.55 # * 80x24 17.19.50 # did you download the e200tool file to your desktop? If so, you'll need to "cd Desktop" before you can execute e200tool commands 17.23.27 # terminal says I am in desktop now. what is next? 17.23.49 # have you downloaded the files the wiki page says you need? they're also linked in the mailing list thread. 17.23.56 # not yet 17.24.12 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180070194.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.27.20 # I cannot find them 17.28.17 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.29.00 # how do I view my current PATH on linux? 17.29.28 # better how do I add something without removing the currenz 17.29.44 # could you link me to the download page please? 17.30.01 # kushal_one, then you're not looking very hard. please read the mailing list thread i linked you to. I put a link near the end to that download page. 17.30.02 # Benjamin_L: echo $PATH 17.30.12 # ok was too easy :) 17.30.18 # Benjamin_L: To add to it, export PATH=/path/to/add:$PATH 17.31.16 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 17.31.41 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.32.01 # Buschel: Is it possible to set the boost speed to 60MHz ? I'd like to do some experiments... 17.33.52 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033641.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.34.11 # gevaerts: replace PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a121403; with PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a120f03; in system-pp502x.c 17.35.22 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.131) 17.39.53 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=abc@p54A3F944.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.39.53 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.40.52 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 17.41.31 # gevaerts: can you check what REG_USBCMD, REG_PORTSC1 and REG_USBMODE are set by default after startup and after attaching USB? 17.42.14 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180070194.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.42.16 # you mentioned that I need BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom in http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-02/0181.shtml I am at a loss to find the link to it ... although now I found the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-02/0192.shtml 17.43.13 # http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 17.43.22 # two messages in the future 17.43.54 # kushal_one: on c250 you'll need pribootLoader.rom instead. 17.44.06 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 17.44.16 # Buschel_: working on it. 17.44.57 # is this the file that i need? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/firmware.mi4 17.45.41 # I believe it is http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/pribootLoader.rom but don't take my word for it 17.45.49 Join webguest63 [0] (n=4db2c00e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ad9245051a871a46) 17.45.57 # kushal_one: no, although you'll need it later. You need http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/pribootLoader.rom for e200tool 17.46.45 Quit tessarakt (Client Quit) 17.46.52 # kushal_one, but you'll want the firmware.mi4 file for recovery mode when you get there. 17.47.18 # I downloaded them both and put them in desktop. 17.48.52 # I made sure the power on the device is off and the hold is off too. 17.49.06 Join FraL [0] (n=4df12206@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b5bb65523cb33c0d) 17.49.18 Quit FraL (Client Quit) 17.49.55 Join FraL [0] (n=4df12206@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e55431729ff082da) 17.51.11 Quit FraL (Client Quit) 17.51.43 Join webguest78 [0] (n=425dac13@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7c1fc5ea6d40ca6a) 17.52.19 Quit CaptainSquid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.52.29 # Buschel : http://pastebin.ca/916417 17.53.30 # So the command is ./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom , right? 17.53.47 # kushal_one: yes 17.53.58 # thanks 17.54.05 # I will let you know what happens 17.54.38 # terminal says "permission denied" 17.54.56 # do I need to be root or sudo for it to run? 17.55.02 # kushal_one, do "chmod +x e200tool-mac" then run it with sudo 17.55.02 # kushal_one: run "chmod +x e200tool-mac", and then try again 17.56.36 # something happened! 17.56.39 # e200tool v0.2.3-alpha (c) by MrH 2006, 2007 17.56.39 # Searching for device 0781:0720 ... found! 17.56.39 # Initializing USB stub (4780 bytes) ... done! 17.56.39 DBUG Sent KICK kushal_one to server 17.56.39 # Writing 'pribootloader.rom' to address 0x10600000 17.56.39 # Searching for device 6666:e200 ... 9 found! 17.56.40 Kick (#rockbox kushal_one :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 17.56.48 Join kushal_one [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 17.56.50 # Execution started! 17.56.52 # ingles-Computer-2:~/desktop kripahada$ 17.57.10 # then the display showed a lock icon for some time 17.57.23 # could you tell me what next? 17.58.03 # kushal_one, please don't paste like that again, but that was manufacturing mode. but you need to get into recovery mode 17.58.13 # sorry 17.58.27 # kushal_one: did a drive icon appear ? 17.58.40 # no 17.58.55 Quit caysee ("Ex-Chat") 17.58.57 # but on the player I saw a lock icon before it turned off 17.59.11 # it turned off by itslef 17.59.16 # * itself 18.01.46 # kushal_one: I think you have to switch off the hold at some point. Actually, if it starts in manufacturing mode, you probably don't need to turn on hold in the first plave 18.02.44 # holding the record button does dot set it to recovery mode 18.03.20 # switch off the hold? 18.03.23 # ok 18.03.47 # kushal_one: If you just start it, does it still only light up the blue leds ? If so, start it without any buttons pressed, plug it in, and run e200tool. e200tool should put it in recovery mode. 18.04.19 # gevaerts, it is off now 18.04.43 # do I need to switch the hold switch on or off? 18.05.00 # kushal_one: turn it on with the hold switch off 18.05.06 # ok 18.06.30 # If it just shows the blue button backlight, plug it in and run e200tool like before. 18.07.32 Quit webguest78 ("CGI:IRC") 18.09.25 # ok 18.11.22 # kushal_one: then it should be in recovery mode 18.11.59 # no it is just the blue ring 18.12.16 # kushal_one: run e200tool 18.12.19 # ok 18.13.26 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B160AD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.16.09 # kushal_one: did anything happen ? 18.16.50 # same thing happened. the sandisk logo came up, the lock icon came up, and then it turned off 18.17.13 # kushal_one: turn hold _off_ 18.17.56 # I turned hold off after the display turned off 18.18.33 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 18.18.49 # kushal_one: turn the sansa on without hold, if the blue ring show plug it in, and then run e200tool. That should put you nin recovery mode. 18.19.08 # If it doesn't, that means you're not following the instructions somehow 18.19.24 # should I turn hold off before I execute ./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom 18.19.27 # ? 18.19.37 # kushal_one: yes 18.19.43 # oo sorry 18.20.56 # let me try again 18.22.24 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 18.23.18 Quit Buschel_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.23.22 # yes some command appeared 18.23.38 # kushal_one: do you get a disk icon ? 18.23.50 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3F944.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.23.58 # on the desktop? no, I did not 18.24.21 # kushal_one: so does anything appear on the sansa screen ? 18.24.29 # yes 18.24.31 # it says 18.24.37 # Load main image fai 18.24.52 # Switch to Rovery 18.25.12 # Mini-B->Device Mode 18.25.21 # USB2.0 MSD 18.25.37 # LUN0 locked 18.25.41 # kushal_one: It should show a disk icon then. 18.26.09 # there is not that icon 18.26.22 # kushal_one: I don't have a mac, so I'm not sure how that part works, but at least the sansa is behaving as it should. 18.26.41 # now should I run recovery mode/ 18.27.14 # Should I run recovery mode? 18.27.16 # kushal_one: it is in recovery mode. 18.27.38 # when should I press the record button? 18.28.43 Join andrew__ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142162067119.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 18.28.49 # kushal_one: that's only needed to start recovery mode without e200tool 18.28.50 # kushal_one, gevaerts: sometimes recovery mode doesn't work on mac 18.29.15 # it works for me now on leopard, but didn't in the past on tiger 18.29.41 Quit hannesd (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 18.29.42 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B160AD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.30.58 # I have tiger 10.4.11 18.31.45 # my main flash disk on my sansa c200 is constantly getting corrupted 18.32.24 # What should I do next? 18.32.30 # asdrubal: do you unmount it properly before unplugging ? 18.32.42 # kushal_one: In that case you might be better to try using e200tool on either linux or osx leopard 18.32.49 # gevaerts, yeah 18.33.10 # Leopard? hmm ... 18.33.14 # gevaerts, I don't think it likes having less than 100MB free 18.33.14 # kushal_one: if you have access to either. one option for linux would be to use something like knoppix 18.33.32 # does it run on a macbook? 18.33.50 # asdrubal: do you use the database or something else that would write data while running rockbox ? 18.33.51 # live version would be better 18.34.35 # gevaerts, asdrubal: I didn't have much free space when I got corruption earlier on my sdhc card 18.34.44 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.34.46 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f0be@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c9d331473a69ea93) 18.35.22 # kushal_one: yes, I think knoppix or ubuntu live should run on a macbook. not 100% sure though 18.35.54 # let me google it 18.36.02 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 18.36.04 # rasher, asdrubal: that would point to a bug in the fat driver. I'll let someone else handle that 18.36.05 # * barrywardell has to reboot. brb 18.36.08 # What does everyone think of allowing the user to define the background color of the splashscreen? And setting a default? 18.36.25 Quit barrywardell () 18.36.36 # crzyboyster: not reasonable. Would mean that the disk would have to be ready before the splash can be shown 18.37.03 # Just changing the background color. Isn't the current blue defined somewhere? 18.37.26 # OK, cut the idea of letting the user define it. What if we set up a new default for it? 18.37.36 # I want a goatse splash screen. HEH 18.37.43 # crzyboyster: what's wrong with the current one ? 18.37.46 # crzyboyster: You'd still have to store and retrieve the user's desiered background color, which means loading from disk. 18.38.36 # People started talking about it at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.msg116208#msg116208 and what about not letting the user define it, but to just make it "transparent"? 18.38.47 # (Like in that screenshot) 18.39.38 # crzyboyster: dark backgrounds look very bad on a c200... 18.39.50 # crzyboyster: that would mean loading the backdrop from disk.. 18.40.10 # The bootloader cannot be customisable. 18.40.29 # Sigh... never mind. and gevaerts, how does the cabbiev2 theme look overall on the c200? 18.42.18 # is it a dead end for me for now? 18.42.25 # crzyboyster: If I set my contrast and brightness settings just right, it's reasonable (I don't really like it myself, but that's a matter of taste), although the font is ugly at that size 18.42.35 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 18.43.33 # kushal_one: I'd say your best bet is to either use a linux live cd, or find someone who runs linux 18.43.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.44.04 # hm ... 18.44.05 # kushal_one: or find someone who runs leopard 18.44.08 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 18.44.25 # i might have an easier time finding someone who uses leopard 18.44.57 # Do I need to go through the process from beginning? 18.45.06 # on a leopard? 18.45.22 Quit ax (Remote closed the connection) 18.45.35 # yes, but it should be easier now that you have some idea of what to do. 18.45.40 Join ax [0] (n=alex@204.13.164.201) 18.45.59 # thank you very much. 18.47.24 Quit webguest63 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.47.50 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 18.51.54 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.131) 18.53.30 Quit Zarggg ("Even brain pancake crystal elderly have mass naked child events lately.") 18.53.33 Quit Benjamin_L ("Ex-Chat") 18.54.20 # I opened disk utility and I can see 16 MB sansa disk here, but the instructions say I should NOT format it, what should I do? according to the disk utility the partition scheme is "unformatted" 18.55.04 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 18.56.12 # kushal_one: is there an option to mount it ? 18.57.16 # no, I can only eject it but not mount it 18.58.14 # if it helps, the Total Capacity : 16.0 MB (16,777,728 Bytes) 18.58.50 # You really should mount it, and I believe you should upload a firmware to it 18.59.15 # the mi4 file, yes. but it does not show in finder since it is not mounted 18.59.38 # Which is why I'm telling you you need to mount it (manually, probably) 18.59.48 # using terminal? 18.59.53 # Yeah 19.00.03 # oh 19.00.53 # kushal_one: does the disk utility show something like "/dev/disk?" somewhere ? 19.01.24 Join smartmind [0] (n=smartmin@91-65-21-167-dynip.superkabel.de) 19.01.53 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 19.02.00 # good evening 19.02.06 # i have a problem with my h320 19.02.29 # im not quite sure whether its by rockbox or my iriver 19.02.40 # but i hope someone already heard of something like this: 19.02.57 # everything was fine with the playback time 19.03.05 # No, it does not show that. but it identifies it correctly as Name : SanDisk Sansa C200 Media 19.03.06 # if i charged it fully it ran for hours 19.03.14 # but then 19.03.18 # from one day to another 19.03.24 # (didnt realy change something..) 19.03.40 # the player is draining energy also when i turn it off 19.03.41 # means 19.03.55 # i charge it a 7:00 untill its full 19.04.00 # turn it off 19.04.15 # turn it on at 15:00 and its nearby empty 19.04.30 # a day later it even doesnt start 19.04.36 # gevaerts: I've been doing a bit of testing of the USB stuff and have a couple of comments, not sure how much help they will be: 19.04.55 # have you ever heard of something like that? or do you have any suggestions what i could try ..? 19.05.00 # 1) H10 appears as drive, e280 as removable storage - could windows treating them differently be a problem? 19.05.00 # 2) Windows is a lot more unstable with e280, totally stable with H10 19.05.00 # 3) e200 takes about 50% longer to copy file to device 19.05.01 DBUG Sent KICK barrywardell to server 19.05.01 # 4) Copied a 350MB file over and back twice with md5's matching both on e280 and H10 19.05.01 # 5) Removing udelay(2) from ata-c200_e200.c makes Windows not show the e200's drive at all 19.05.01 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.05.01 DBUG sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=barryw*@194.46.160.* 19.05.01 # 6) Not a big deal, but both H10 and e200 appear as "Rockbox Media Player". Maybe they should be different? 19.05.01 Kick (#rockbox barrywardell :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 19.05.01 *** Alert Mode level 2 19.05.02 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*n=barryw*@194.46.160.* " by logbot (n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25) 19.05.02 Warn Banlist contains 18 bans! 19.05.32 # Great 19.05.58 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.06.17 # This is why we need more ops around. 19.06.56 # amiconn: could you unban barrywardell? 19.08.36 # * midgey chuckles 19.09.46 # anyone any suggestions for my problem? 19.09.54 # already found a thread on rockbox.org forum 19.09.57 # but no answers 19.10.12 Join wardellbarry [0] (n=barry@194.46.160.131) 19.10.47 # welcome back, wardellbarry 19.10.49 # smartmind: you're battery is probably dying 19.10.58 # s/you're/your 19.11.01 # from one day to another? 19.11.10 # * smartmind needs a medic for his iriver 19.11.14 # I blame my irc client! I didn't mean to do that 19.11.28 # kushal_one: can you do "ls /dev/disk*" ? 19.11.33 # no - logbot has gotten stricter it seems. 19.12.00 # l as in lion? 19.12.03 # oh ok 19.12.16 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955E4EC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.12.58 # I hope I don't get kicked again 19.13.04 # linuxstb: what needs to be done to your viewports+wps patch to get it commitable? ive got some time today... 19.13.06 # the result is "/dev/disk0 /dev/disk0s1 /dev/disk0s2 /dev/disk1" 19.13.17 # yes, I was not kicked! 19.13.34 # i still do have guarantee on my iriver 19.13.39 # but i installed rockbox 19.13.52 # i should reinstall the original firmware 19.13.57 # before sending it back 19.13.58 # right? 19.14.10 # kushal_one: try doing the following : "mkdir /tmp/sansa", then "mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" 19.14.28 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.210.243) 19.14.33 # ok 19.15.02 *** Alert Mode OFF 19.15.18 # smartmind - you should stop using the "Enter" key as a replacement for the space-bar. logbot has an itchy trigger finger, and seems quite willing to not only kick - but also ban those who are incapable of writing single long lines instead of flooding the channel with lots of five word lines, 19.16.09 # barrywardell: 1) might be worth looking into. You can tweak this near the end of usb_storage.c. 4) and 5) show that c200 and e200 have different sd driver behaviour. 6) I don't have an opinion 19.16.11 # when I ran the first command, this appeared in the player "LUN0 locked" 19.16.21 # that's normal. 19.16.24 # But, yes, to directly answer your question smartmind, you should remove all traces of Rockbox before sending your unit back to iRiver for warranty work, iRiver stands out in my memory above all others for being jerks about suspected Rockbox installs. 19.17.05 # * Nico_P is about to close FS#8631 as invalid... any objections? 19.17.12 # i am moving to the second command 19.17.35 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.20.211.254) 19.17.40 Quit wardellbarry () 19.17.40 # oh, didnt know its unappreciatet, im sorry, but could someone answer my question please 19.17.48 # * smartmind ' s begging 19.17.56 # kushal_one: after those, run "df /tmp/sansa", and show us the result (should be one line) 19.18.22 # the second command needs to be as root 19.18.43 # Nico_P: I'd say invalid as well 19.18.44 # Nico_P: go for it 19.18.53 # Nico_P: why not as "later"? If he wants to give that code out that's fine 19.18.55 # terminal says "you must be running as root to load modules into the kernel 19.18.55 # mount_msdos: msdos filesystem is not available 19.18.55 # " 19.18.55 # kushal_one: could be. Try "sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" 19.19.12 # and maybe we'll get an emulator plugin one day. Then we could use it. 19.19.36 Join wardellbarry [0] (n=barry@194.46.160.131) 19.19.38 # shouldn't the filesystem be vfat? 19.19.57 # i think the ti-basic code is more suited for a site like ticalc.org rather than our tracker 19.20.00 # the result was kextload: /System/Library/Extensions/msdosfs.kext loaded successfully 19.20.08 # bluebrother: The code will still be in the tracker anyway 19.20.23 # moving to third command 19.20.40 # But at this point, I really think the task is "invalid", as it's not useful in any way for current Rockbox 19.20.59 # But be nice in the close message :) 19.21.07 # Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on 19.21.07 # /dev/disk1 31264 24 31240 0% /private/tmp/sansa 19.21.11 # shouldn't the filesystem be vfat? 19.21.11 # shouldn't the filesystem be vfat? 19.21.11 # rasher: yep, I know. I'm just not sure if it's an invalid task ... otoh, it doesn't tell what he really expects. 19.21.38 # gevaerts: ? 19.21.50 # bluebrother: mouse handling error. Sorry 19.22.10 Join Munkie [0] (i=Munkie@c7-58-1.ctn.dial-up.net) 19.22.10 # bluebrother: he seems to be expecting someone to port his code 19.22.11 # kushal_one: that looks correct 19.22.18 # ah, ok. Was just surprised a bit ;-) 19.22.32 # kushal_one: if you are still in Desktop, now "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom /tmp/sansa" 19.23.13 # that did not seem to do anything 19.23.24 # A TI-BASIC interpreter sounds like a nice project, but TI calcs have a shitload of math functions that would need to be written 19.23.34 # did not even ask for password 19.23.35 # kushal_one: now "ls /tmp/sansa". That should show those two files 19.24.15 # yes you are a genius, here is the result: firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom 19.24.49 # kushal_one: now "umount /dev/disk1" 19.25.00 # kushal_one: or "sudo umount /dev/disk1" 19.25.30 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 19.25.39 # btw, is albumart already added to rockbox? 19.25.43 # when I did not sudo it said "operation not permitted" 19.25.46 # smartmind: yes it is 19.26.12 # it did not show any result but I think it worked 19.26.15 # kushal_one: yes. I forgot... After that one, unplug the sansa 19.26.31 # hello everyone. will we ever be able to control the video processing chip on the ipod video? 19.26.44 # like unplug it physically? I don't mean to be annoying just wanted to make sure 19.26.57 # Munkie, sure, if someone figures out the hardware. i wouldn't hold your breath, though. 19.26.59 # Munkie: only if someone figures it out. there is no doc available 19.27.02 # kushal_one: yes. Unplug the cable. 19.27.11 # thanks ... unplugging ... 19.27.41 # oh bugger. cos that will be awsum! would it be able to be used for other functions? or only video processing? 19.28.06 # something came up that I could not read and then it said "resetting [some text I could not read]" and then display turned off and I got the blue ring back 19.28.17 # only the blue ring 19.28.27 # What should I do next? 19.28.33 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.29.23 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.29.37 Join _saiko [0] (n=saiko@161.53.129.25) 19.29.42 # <_saiko> hi all 19.29.47 # <_saiko> a question 19.30.15 # kushal_one: try downloading the header.txt file that's next to the firmware.mi4 and pribootLoader.rom files (same site), and redoing everything, but the cp step has to be "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom header.txt /tmp/sansa" instead. 19.30.18 # <_saiko> iaudio x5 after upgradig to rockbox ... does it have media library browsing or it's still browsing through local folders ? 19.30.28 # * gevaerts goes to have dinner now 19.30.47 Quit MajorC () 19.30.52 # _saiko, i think what you want is the database. the manual will have more information. 19.31.23 # <_saiko> yes a database that gets created from reading tags 19.32.21 # <_saiko> ah 19.32.28 # <_saiko> seems it supports both! 19.32.41 # does this look correct? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/header.txt 19.33.05 Quit smartmind () 19.33.06 # where do I start? 19.33.23 # <_saiko> i started to get interested in x5 since it supports flac and it's NOT using MTP or some propietary access .... 19.33.39 # <_saiko> but the problem is ... how to get x5 now :/ 19.33.44 # <_saiko> no production anymore 19.34.40 # should I restart with manufacturing mode? 19.34.55 # _saiko, ebay may have some, but that's hit-or-miss. 19.35.16 # <_saiko> krazykit: what about that announced X7 ? 19.35.24 # <_saiko> was that actually 7 ? 19.35.53 # that's the usual problem if you want to get a Rockbox capable player ... unfortunately 19.35.58 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 19.36.20 # _saiko, i don't know, but it certainly isn't supported by rockbox 19.37.10 # <_saiko> indeed ... 19.37.58 # <_saiko> damn i need some ~60GB player capable of playing flac and that uses database + it's not MTP -.- 19.38.51 # _saiko, check out the BuyersGuide page 19.39.09 # wiki page, i mean 19.43.49 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 19.45.12 # gt 75 19.51.36 # kushal_one: plug in the device (the blue ring means it is already in manufacturing mode), and run e200tool as before 19.52.21 Quit Febs ("Rebooting") 19.52.26 # ok so I will turn hold on, press the middle button, and plug it in, right? 19.52.58 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 19.53.42 # kushal_one: yes. Then turn hold off, and then run e200tool as before 19.54.29 # thanks 19.55.33 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 19.56.08 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") 19.56.51 # kushal_one: That should put the sansa in recovery mode. Once it show something like Mini-B Device Mode, or LUN0 unlocked, type:"sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" 19.56.53 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 19.56.55 # I ran chmod +x e200tool-mac and I am running ./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom 19.58.00 # it says LUN0 locked 19.58.25 # kushal_one: OK. Then the "sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" command 19.58.36 # ok 19.58.59 # i just installed rockbox (on linux) bootloader and I restarted my iPod and now it says "Use Itunes to restore" in four different langauges including english. 19.58.59 # kushal_one: Now "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom header.txt /tmp/sansa" 19.59.31 # ok done 19.59.33 # kushal_one: Then (maybe not needed, but anyway) : "sudo touch /tmp/sansa/sansa.fmt" 19.59.54 # done 20.00.08 # then "sudo umount /dev/disk1" 20.00.26 Quit hannesd (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 20.00.30 # kushal_one: Does the screen show anything ? 20.00.33 # done 20.00.57 # nothing new 20.01.08 # the same thing stayed 20.01.49 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 20.01.49 # kushal_one: Try "hdiutil detach /dev/disk1". I'm not sure if it will work or is needed, but anyway 20.02.14 # heh... debian users 20.02.22 # /ubuntu? 20.02.30 # result on console 20.02.31 # "disk1" unmounted. 20.02.31 # "disk1" ejected. 20.02.55 # kushal_one: now unplug the cable. It should say things about updating the firmware 20.02.57 # result o sandisk screen: LUN0 unlocked LUN0 ejected 20.03.10 # result on sandisk screen: LUN0 unlocked LUN0 ejected 20.03.11 # ok 20.03.46 # yes it did 20.03.53 # billenium, there is a manual restore method for linux on the wiki, linked from the ipod wiki page. 20.04.00 # but it is back to the blue ring 20.04.17 # what should I do next? 20.04.39 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 20.05.04 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 20.05.06 Quit wardellbarry () 20.05.25 # kushal_one: I think it will need stronger measures. I think I know how to solve this (I've had a similar problem myself), but it will require a special tool. I can compile it for linux, but not for macos. 20.05.47 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.05.59 Part pixelma 20.06.05 # gevaerts: you need access to an osx box? 20.06.56 Quit Munkie () 20.07.02 # yeah i found it 20.07.06 # i had to unbootloader it first :) 20.07.15 # Do i have to put the bootloader on first? or the .rockbox folder? 20.07.41 # billenium, you're essentially wiping the disk clean, so it doesn't matter 20.07.52 # JdGordon: maybe. The easiest would be if someone who has compiled rockbox stuff on osx before would do it, but access would work as well. This problem should be solvable with my e200rpatcher based repair tool 20.08.19 # what you need compiled? 20.08.21 # oh no 20.08.25 # i mean when im reinstalling it :) 20.08.52 # JdGordon: basically e200rbatcher, with a custom bootloader.bin that I can put somewhere 20.08.56 # billenium, if you go through the manual recovery, you have a blank ipod, so you'll have to install the bootloader and build like normal 20.09.33 # gevaerts: ok, put em up somehwere and ill compile em for ya 20.09.34 # er well my questions was just which one to put on first.... 20.09.39 # but umm thanks 20.09.54 # billenium, read the installation instructions, obviously :P 20.10.23 # i did :P and i received a restore error... 20.10.26 # name im trying it again 20.10.46 # JdGordon: the file is at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/bootloader.bin 20.11.39 # and unpatched e200rinstaller? 20.11.51 # JdGordon: If you put that in rbutil/e200rpatcher, and then run make there, it should work 20.12.05 Quit midgey () 20.12.36 Join wardellbarry [0] (n=barry@194.46.160.131) 20.12.37 # Was rockbox updated lately? Because its not the plain Black and Blue 20.12.50 # JdGordon: the c200 in manufacturer mode is recognized by the default e200rpatcher 20.13.06 # billenium, yes, default theme was changed 20.13.15 # cool 20.13.18 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.13.21 # Default theme is great now :) 20.15.03 # * gevaerts should really put this "how to recover your sansa if the partition table is gone" on the wiki 20.15.17 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.16.08 Join CrumbCat [0] (n=crumbcat@astound-66-234-207-205.ca.astound.net) 20.16.20 # gevaerts: pm me an email addy to send it to 20.16.41 Quit CrumbCat (Client Quit) 20.16.41 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@adsl-71-153-45-69.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) 20.17.27 # gevaerts: usb-fw-pp502x.c looks wrong to me around line 190. going from pp experience I think there should be a DEV_RS |= DEV_USB0/1 in there too. I've tried adding it but can't tell if it makes a difference 20.17.56 # gevaerts: also, why is DEV_INIT2 |= INIT_USB; only done for PP5020? 20.18.24 # wardellbarry: I can't say much about this. It's from before I started. 20.18.41 # wardellbarry: that was a chango by myself. DEV_INIT2 is not needed by PP5022/24 (by test). 20.18.50 # *change 20.19.21 # Buschel: an it is needed by PP5020? How did you test that it was not needed? 20.20.23 # wardellbarry: this was before the USB-stack was implemented -> pp5022/24 did not need DEV_INIT2 for USB-detect and reboot into OF. PP5020 needed it. 20.21.44 # kushal_one: download http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250repair 20.22.01 # ok 20.22.18 # * Buschel is leaving for a while 20.22.32 # kushal_one: then run "chmod +x c250repair" to make it executable 20.22.38 # Buschel: OK, thanks 20.22.49 # ok 20.23.22 # kushal_one: then put the sansa in manufacturer mode, plug it in, and turn off hold 20.24.13 # kushal_one: then run "./c250repair". 20.25.28 # I got a BUS error 20.25.38 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.26.28 # the complete transcript follows: 20.26.30 # sansapatcher v0.6 with v4.0 bootloaders - (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2007 20.26.30 # This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO 20.26.30 # warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 20.26.30 DBUG Sent KICK kushal_one to server 20.26.30 # Bus error 20.26.30 Kick (#rockbox kushal_one :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 20.26.42 Join kushal_one [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 20.27.19 # kushal_one: quick tip: if you have several lines to paste, use a pasting service like http://pastebin.ca/ 20.27.33 # thanks 20.27.55 # JdGordon: Did you build this in e200rpatcher or in sansapatcher ? 20.28.09 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-150-240.area2.spcsdns.net) 20.28.13 # arg.. sorry im still aslee[p 20.28.21 # sansapatcher 20.28.53 # grr... no libusb-dev on that comp 20.28.59 # http://pastebin.ca/916559 20.29.25 # JdGordon: I think it needs e200rpatcher, since it works by uploading code. 20.29.25 # * JdGordon decides not to be useful again 20.29.58 # * wardellbarry can build it 20.30.15 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnj057.ugent.be) 20.30.28 # wardellbarry: great. I need a e200rpatcher, with bootloader.bin from http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/bootloader.bin 20.31.12 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B160AD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.31.20 # * JdGordon apologises for being stupid 20.31.26 # wardellbarry: this "bootloader" writes a new partition table and FAT boot block 20.31.52 # * gevaerts still appreciates JdGordon's effort 20.33.06 # sent aagain! 20.33.10 # * JdGordon beats barry :D 20.34.30 # http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/c250repair 20.34.58 # JdGordon had a head start :P 20.35.31 # I had to install libusb first though... 20.35.33 # kushal_one: Remove the previous c250repair, and download http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/c250repair 20.35.55 # remove from desktop? 20.36.06 # kushal_one: yes. 20.36.16 # ok, thanks 20.36.47 # After downloading it, run "chmod +x c250repair" to make it executable 20.37.09 # it 404ed on me 20.37.11 # :( 20.37.44 # kushal_one: then try the new one at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250repair 20.37.54 # kushal_one: same URL as before, but new file 20.38.05 # ok 20.38.40 # OK. Then the chmod -x thing, and if the sansa is still plugged in and blue, "./c250repair" 20.38.40 # oops, should have been http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/c250repair-mac 20.40.33 # kushal_one: if everything works right, the sansa screen should show some output. 20.40.40 # sudo? 20.41.16 # should I do sudo ./c250repair 20.41.26 # kushal_one: maybe. It can't hurt anyway 20.42.01 # without sudo "permission denied' with sudo "command not found" 20.42.03 Quit asdrubal (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.42.20 # kushal_one: did you run "chmod +x c250repair" first ? 20.44.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.44.48 # http://pastebin.ca/916576 20.44.57 Join asdrubal [0] (n=dribbles@d47-69-131-13.col.wideopenwest.com) 20.45.25 # kushal_one: then download barrywardell's binary : http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/c250repair-mac 20.46.28 # kushal_one: then "chmod -x c250repair-mac" and "sudo ./c250repair-mac" 20.46.34 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-72-91-71-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 20.46.47 # how do i clear a playlist 20.47.43 # just stop the mnusic 20.47.47 # sudo: ./c250repair-mac: command not found 20.48.13 # kushal_one: that should have been "chmod +x c250repair-mac" and "sudo ./c250repair-mac" 20.48.17 # kushal_one: After "chmod -x c250repair-mac" ? 20.48.35 # ok 20.49.35 # it says press enter to continue 20.49.43 # kushal_one: OK. press enter 20.50.25 # kushal_one: I found a problem. It still won't work 20.50.56 # wardellbarry: the binary contains "The requested URL /~<span class=nick_gevaerts>gevaerts</span>/bootloader.bin was not found on this server.

" instead of the bootloader... 20.51.06 # i have not pressed enter yet 20.51.17 # haha, oops, I'll fix that 20.51.41 # kushal_one: press control-C, and delete the c250repair-mac and c250repair files. Both are wrong in some way 20.51.59 # * gevaerts still doesn't know whether JdGordon or wardellbarry wins this contest 20.52.03 # control-c? 20.52.18 # kushal_one: press and hold the Ctrl-key, and press C 20.52.38 # kushal_one: that will stop the running program in the terminal (the faulty c250repair-mac) 20.53.04 # ok i think I have exited the program 20.53.14 Join asn [0] (n=nya~@athedsl-294397.home.otenet.gr) 20.53.19 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 20.53.41 # i sent the files to trash 20.54.12 # After majorly ruining my iPod partitions (seems like it wasn't as easy as just deleting all of them) and restoring them with iTunes, I'm presented with 3 mac partitions (when before that I only had 2). I can't mount them. What do I do with them?> 20.54.48 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.55.06 # kushal_one: ok, now let's wait for a new one... 20.55.23 # kushal_one, gevaerts: try it again: http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/c250repair-mac 20.56.23 # kushal_one: ok. Download it, run "chmod +x c250repair-mac", and then run "sudo ./c250repair-mac" 20.56.41 # kushal_one: assuming the sansa is still plugged in and in manufaturer mode 20.57.30 # thanks 20.57.46 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio``@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 20.58.09 # http://pastebin.ca/916591 20.58.25 Join BHX [0] (n=5228dea4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fcc738e87c2f7d2d) 20.58.39 # kushal_one: does the sansa screen show anything ? 20.58.39 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.58.43 # it says "press any key to shutd" 20.59.10 # kushal_one: ok. Unplug the cable and press a key on the sansa 20.59.37 # it turned off 20.59.44 # hey guys, great job with Rockbox... one problem though... i have a ipod80 and after updating to today's build it comes up with an error after the RBx slash screen ("Data abort at 0028878E (0)") 20.59.45 # instantly 20.59.49 # kushal_one: now it should be in a "normal" broken mode, so that restoring with e200tool will work 21.00.05 # :) ok lets try it 21.00.33 # kushal_one: so: put it in manufacturer mode again, plug it in, turn off hold, and run "./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom" 21.01.19 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.01.26 # don't I need header.txt? 21.01.51 # gevaerts: this is how I would guess usb-fw-pp502x.c should be: http://pastebin.ca/916596 What do you think? It's a bit subjective, but I think it makes things a little better for me 21.01.57 # kushal_one: not yet. That's later 21.02.14 # ok let me enter your command 21.02.54 # the sansa display is on and it says ""connected"" 21.03.08 # I can see "untitled" on desktop 21.03.55 # gevaerts, I think it is working 21.04.03 # kushal_one: can you check if this "untitled" disk is 16MB ? 21.04.35 # no, :( it is 1.89 GB 21.04.44 # wardellbarry: you're probably right, but I'm not sure about the 0x70000028 stuff, since I don't know what that is for. 21.05.13 # kushal_one: What happens if you unplug? It might be recovered already somehow 21.05.26 # I'm not sure either but it's in the init, so I'm guessing it should probably be there 21.05.26 # do I need to eject it? 21.05.38 # kushal_one: that's always safer 21.05.47 # ok, let me try 21.06.14 Quit billenium ("leaving") 21.07.35 # can't load rockox.mi4 file not found 21.08.29 # kushal_one: so the rockbox bootloader is still there. Turn it off, and turn it back on while holding the "|<<" key 21.08.39 # ok 21.09.37 # kushal_one: that should start the original firmware. Then you can reinstall rockbox, and everything should work 21.10.03 # yes, it worked. thank you very much. you are great! 21.10.39 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eedab1cbb893f083) 21.11.00 # thank you to wardellbarry, JdGordon and everyone else who helped too :) 21.11.01 # anyone know how you edit the project history page? 21.11.13 # i looked all through svn and couldn't find it 21.11.42 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 21.11.45 # Can anyone give me a hand? 21.11.47 Quit BigBambi_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.11.50 # kushal_one: that should start the original firmware. Then you can reinstall rockbox, and everything should work 21.11.59 # * gevaerts pastes random text again... 21.12.05 # kushal_one: you're welcome 21.12.18 # glad I could help 21.12.26 # thank you wardellbarry 21.12.39 # but especially thank you gevaerts 21.12.45 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 21.13.13 # have a nice day, bye 21.13.29 Quit kushal_one ("This computer has gone to sleep") 21.13.54 # I think maybe we do need a recovery tool that writes back a correct partition table and FAT. My tool is a bit single-minded, since it can only do one size 21.15.36 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.199.80) 21.16.49 Quit BHX ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.19.00 # wardellbarry: I'm now testing with your changes 21.19.14 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-200-214-229.area2.spcsdns.net) 21.24.02 # After majorly ruining my iPod partitions (seems like it wasn't as easy as just deleting all of them) and restoring them with iTunes, I'm presented with 3 mac partitions (when before that I only had 2). I can't mount them. What do I do with them?> 21.24.08 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.26.42 # barrywardell: Your changes don't seem to harm anything, but they don't seem to improve things either. I'll experiment further tomorrow. 21.26.53 # asn, did you restore it on a mac? 21.31.53 # gevaerts: that was my experience too. I thought I experienced a little more reliability by 21.32.01 # but could have been imagining it 21.33.10 # krazykit: yes 21.33.21 # krazykit: the itunes was on an imac 21.33.26 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.03 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@029-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 21.34.09 # barrywardell: reliability was easier to see in the old days, when it worked or not. Now it's a matter of counting lines in the dmesg output. 21.34.28 # asn, check the wiki: it has instructions for converting your macpod to a winpod 21.35.01 # krazykit: thanks. 21.35.01 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.35.04 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@70.255.104.121) 21.35.22 Quit corevette ("Leaving") 21.36.59 # gevaerts: also, having rockbox identify itself as a disk rather than removable storage makes windows much less unstable - it doesn't stop explorer responding 21.38.47 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.39.00 # wardellbarry: that _is_ interesting. However, it's probably just caused by not yet implementing the removable-device related SCSI commands properly 21.39.30 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 21.40.25 # what's with all the FPA error stuff trying to build any S bl or fw? They weren't there immediately after changing -mcpu to arm1136jf-s. 21.41.16 # * gevaerts has to go now. 21.41.33 # jhMikeS: those errors mean you should rebuild your cross compiler 21.41.37 Quit gevaerts ("time for some non-rockbox activities") 21.42.33 # Nico_P: What made them show up after switching CPU models? I was able to build it before as 1136 and my cross compiler hasn't changed. 21.42.38 Join that [0] (n=63eef255@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1098a6c46a746464) 21.43.36 # jhMikeS: if it's not r16273 I don't know what it is 21.44.26 Quit that (Client Quit) 21.44.48 Join WeB_GuEsT17 [0] (n=63eef255@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6dbb57a6ba33fef6) 21.45.08 # it says to objects that are built don't use FPA instructions but that the libs do 21.45.11 Quit Zom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.45.36 # jhMikeS: I didn't understand that 21.45.38 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 21.45.38 Quit WeB_GuEsT17 (Client Quit) 21.45.54 Join coffee_guy [0] (n=63eef255@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7c876a099b7943df) 21.46.44 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 21.47.27 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.48.00 # ERROR: /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) uses FPA instructions, whereas /home/user/rockbox/builds/gigabeat-s-b/bootloader/bootloader.elf does not 21.48.35 # jhMikeS: I'm pretty sure you need to rebuild the arm cross compiler 21.49.30 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 21.49.49 # did rockboxdev.sh trim the download size? I don't have much room on the VM and it took > 500MB before. 21.50.10 # I couldn't tell you :/ 21.50.30 # maybe revert r16273 locally 21.51.40 # jhMikeS: If you still have the gcc source you could compile it manually after applying this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/gcc/rockbox-multilibs-arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3.diff 21.52.04 # Yeah, could revert for a test but I'm using arm11 instructions in another branch 21.53.42 # (and the gcc source is only 31mb anyway) 21.55.50 # I don't still have it because I deleted it to make room. 21.57.47 # jhMikeS: Is there a way to see if an interrupt has been triggered, and from what source? 21.59.28 # aliask. sure, see the section on the AVIC and it lists them. There's also FIQ code in SVN that uses one method to vector FIQs. 22.01.11 # the pending H/L register are a bitmask and probabaly the better ones to use. also, the peripheral source register should also have a pending bit. 22.02.04 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0313E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.02.53 # Excellent. I'll take a look when I get a chance. 22.02.58 # * aliask is off to school 22.03.02 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 22.03.53 # jhMikeS: what are you working on for the S? 22.04.52 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-60-91.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.05.31 # Nothing much ATM since I can't compile anything. :) I'm more planning a general strategy for interrupt based drivers that let the peripherals do all the work instead of the core (ie. keep the thread waiting, not polling). 22.07.15 # nice. any ideas on how to get usb working? is it hard (I could try to get it going if it's not too hard)? 22.07.55 Quit jhulst (Success) 22.09.44 # Not too much yet other that at least get the drv portion worked out. 22.10.20 # yeah that's what I meant. If it's not too complicated I could try getting the driver going 22.10.21 Quit MethoS-- ("Konversation terminated!") 22.11.42 Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.11.49 # Wouldn't the PP code be a basis? 22.12.14 # I guess so 22.14.04 # I want to travel to the future and get a 64GB microsd 22.15.50 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b4pre/2008022204]") 22.18.06 # asdrubal - best of luck with that 22.19.55 # Apart from the problem with time travel, I think microsd (hc) stands a good chance of being standard for a long time 22.20.04 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.22.49 # I think you'll have to exchange whatever money you have with the new world currency but you should probably make an interest-bearing investment now and then travel to the future. 22.24.35 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 22.24.48 # rasher, I know.. It's the perfect standard... the only thing that might prompt a change is the interface speed.. I think it's around 10MB/s for MicroSD 22.25.00 Quit coffee_guy ("CGI:IRC") 22.25.07 # jhMikeS, We should have 64GB microsd In 3 years 22.25.30 # * Llorean doesn't think this is actually #Rockbox material 22.25.36 # nope. Sorry 22.29.03 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.31.31 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.37.51 Join JamPS [0] (n=jamps@a91-152-120-58.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 22.42.47 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.44.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.50.43 Quit Buschel () 22.51.40 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.55.21 # any ops around who can unban me please? 22.55.28 Quit n1s () 22.55.43 Quit JamPSi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.57.36 # Llorean should be able 22.58.56 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 22.59.18 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.59.32 Mode "#rockbox -b *!*n=barryw*@194.46.160.* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 23.00.27 Mode "#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 23.01.01 # I guess I am able to these days. How did you get banned? 23.01.43 # I accidentally posted 6 lines in rapid succession 23.02.02 Quit desowin () 23.02.16 #>> "got annoyed" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.02.19 # around 19:05 in the logs 23.02.39 # haha logbot seems to be sligthly on edge 23.03.06 Quit ol_schoola () 23.03.26 # Do we have a new logbot? Since when does it ban? 23.04.05 # it can ban since it was given op rights a few weeks ago 23.04.59 Quit Domonoky_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.05.50 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 23.07.25 # It's doing a fairly good job actually 23.08.02 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.131) 23.08.24 # ah, that's better! 23.08.30 Part wardellbarry 23.08.41 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-8-232.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.08.58 # can't logbot be given an exception list? 23.09.14 # "do not band the following people, please:" 23.09.19 # thanks Bagder 23.09.29 # np! 23.09.30 Quit tvelocity_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.25 # I thought some could even use logbot to unban him but I couldn't figure out which parameters I would have to feed him with (how the ban was "defined") 23.11.55 # yes, iirc banlist shows some id that can be used 23.13.26 # I couldn't use banlist - from the other computer I was logged in earlier I got nothing and now I tried here got the answer that I "must be registered with PASS" first 23.14.00 # yes, most higher-level commands require that you authenticate first 23.14.12 # or "must register"... so I guess I didn't have the rights 23.14.50 # users are only recognized if they're joined on the network with a host mask already added to the user "account" 23.15.46 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 23.16.00 # isn't that what I can see in brackets after the nick (in the text only logs)? 23.16.19 # that's the user's level, yes 23.16.27 # you need 50 23.16.36 # for the kick/ban/unban 23.16.47 # yeah, and I think I read that unban was on "50"... 23.16.56 # * barrywardell wonders how he gets a rockbox developer host mask 23.17.08 # barrywardell: you poke scorche 23.17.33 # * barrywardell pokes scorche 23.17.44 # works great btw, when a spammer drops by and no ops are around... just nudge logbot a bit ;) 23.17.53 # banlist too 23.18.08 # * midgey pokes scorche too 23.18.36 # * Bagder joins in the poking for the fun of it 23.18.48 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.19.55 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 23.19.57 # ok, wasn't "recognised" when joining earlier from the other box... logbot should have told me... :) 23.20.13 # * petur thinks gevaerts will want to poke scorche too 23.20.29 # * gevaerts poked scorche a few days ago 23.20.52 # * gevaerts pokes petur instead for no good reason 23.20.59 # Bagder: the frontpage still doesn't show gevaerts as full name 23.21.01 Quit ender` (" "Religion is the opiate of the masses." -- Karl Marx "Winners don't do drugs." -- The FBI") 23.21.04 # I know 23.21.17 # I blame Zagor 23.21.58 # * pixelma thinks gevaerts just wants to up his "action" count ;) 23.22.18 # * petur already gave up on that :) 23.22.52 # .oO( wow, that was weird ) 23.23.38 # * Bagder will commit a username => realname mapping file and fix his script to use that 23.29.35 # From what I've seen the sansa SD driver behaves differently on c200 than on e200. My c250 gets write errors while using usb if the udelay(2) is there in the write loop in ata-c200_e200.c, while e200 gets errors if it isn't there. I think we need to find out why. 23.30.26 # We can of course just put an #ifdef around it, but I feel a bit nevous about that kind of timing issue 23.31.33 # Actually, e200 gets errors too, but they're much rarer 23.32.08 # gevaerts: did you try issuing the PRG after sending all the data and then waiting for fifo empty? I can't think of a better reason atm. 23.33.16 # jhMikeS: the errors are not near the end of the buffer, so I can't really see that helping 23.35.36 # I know but the sd hw itself may be doing something internally. 23.37.22 # Yes, but PRG is only set at the last chunk. Moving that entire if block won't change behaviour. 23.38.10 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.38.44 # * gevaerts unplugs his "real-life" sd card and plugs in his testing card 23.38.52 # If I used reasonable thinking in trying to make any of these PP targets behave I don't think I'd succeed very often :) 23.40.18 # That's true. I'll let you know what happens 23.45.46 Quit jcollie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.47.14 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.47.30 # This high-speed business is seriously interfering with my infrastructure work... 23.48.38 # jhMikeS: same behaviour : corruption with udelay(), no corruption without 23.49.38 # got a diff? 23.50.52 # http://pastebin.ca/916808 23.51.22 # Corruption pattern is the same as well 23.51.48 # * petur wonders what you have to do to logbot to make him say "got annoyed" 23.52.15 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 23.52.59 # * gevaerts wonders why petur is called peter in the COMMITTERS file 23.53.19 # because that is my login? 23.53.42 # good reason I guess 23.53.49 # :) 23.56.39 # the front page isn't yet created with the use of that file 23.56.49 # but I'll poke on zagor to get that sorted 23.56.52 # petur: mention it in a line with "logbot" in front 23.57.46 # I also saw we can redirect the explain messages to one nick... 23.58.54 # how do the explain messages work? 23.58.55 # I think I had more this in mind: http://pastebin.ca/916814