--- Log for 25.02.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.01 # I'll try 00.00.12 #>> "show JdGordon explain beer" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.00.13 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 00.00.28 # nothing 00.00.46 # see log for reason 00.01.04 # perhaps even one more wait after the PRG and DATA_DONE check 00.01.30 # Bagder: logbot isn't registered? 00.01.31 # logbot isnt registered? 00.01.36 # oh snap! 00.01.46 # well, quite obviously not 00.01.50 # and now check the logs... 00.02.01 # rofl 00.02.24 # * Bagder fades away 00.03.52 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.04.12 # weird 00.04.28 # Removing that continue won't make it work. It needs to skip over the goto ata_write_error; so maybe a while(1) around that will do 00.04.50 # in the second one where I left the extra by mistake 00.06.07 # jhMikeS: won't it write one FIFO-sized block too many like this ? 00.06.43 # anybody want to give an opinion on 8585? I want to reject it because I think a picture viewer shouldn't work like that... 00.08.04 # petur: I think I agree with you 00.08.06 # petur: I'd say reject it. 00.08.19 # ok 00.08.26 # If we want to fit the image on-screen, we should use some real scaling anyway. 00.08.27 # maybe this isn't quite what I had in mind ;). cranked it out too fast without thinking 00.10.27 # think I got it right this time: http://pastebin.ca/916825 00.11.09 Quit asn ("Lost terminal") 00.12.49 # Testing now 00.13.08 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 00.14.27 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 00.15.09 Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.22 # Without the udelay it still works, if I add it back the sansa hangs somewhere 00.18.35 Quit petur ("gonne") 00.18.48 # so it changed to hanging from corruption? 00.19.14 # Apparently so. I think it's better 00.19.20 # gevaerts: if you didnt notice, i got you cloaked thrusday night 00.19.31 # scorche: I noticed. Thanks 00.21.16 # scorche: any chance you could do the same for me please? 00.21.26 # jhMikeS: actually hanging _and_ corruption. The data that actually got written is wrong 00.21.26 # barrywardell: in a bit...catching up on the logs 00.21.34 # * scorche was away all weekend 00.21.55 # ok, thanks 00.24.51 Quit MajorC () 00.28.12 Quit ompaul ("bye") 00.28.59 # well, at least running rockboxdev.sh fixed up the compiler for arm11 00.31.33 # jhMikeS: you didn't run out of VM space then? 00.32.03 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-36-32.area2.spcsdns.net) 00.33.31 # Nico_P: I had to move a tree off of it to make room but it wasn't as much as last time 00.35.05 # I think...I cleared to about 540MB to be sure and got no errors 00.41.16 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.42.51 Quit gevaerts ("Have to work tomorrow") 00.43.43 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.44.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.49.15 Quit Soap_ () 00.49.33 Quit moos ("good night Europe") 00.50.24 # rasher: did you see FS#8636? 00.51.00 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-TWO-SEVENTY-NINE.MIT.EDU) 00.53.52 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.55.40 Quit conando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.56.01 Join webguest43 [0] (n=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-046905675a911be8) 01.00.01 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 01.00.57 # barrywardell: oh goddamn 01.02.26 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.03.10 Quit webguest43 ("CGI:IRC") 01.04.34 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.04.40 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.11.33 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@68-25-215-44.area2.spcsdns.net) 01.20.02 Join brendan193 [0] (n=63eef255@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-55282d3158c8df14) 01.24.31 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 01.24.51 # ? 01.25.28 # any one want to help me with cygwin 01.25.57 # no one can help you if you don't ask. 01.26.19 # hmm 01.27.33 # it says that "your running a script in a path that contains space" 01.28.05 # define "it" 01.28.43 # lol srry it is cygwin when i run the command ../tools/configure 01.29.02 # type pwd 01.29.04 # And give us the output 01.31.03 # cygdrive/c/documents and settings/administrator/rockbox/build 01.31.50 Part MindScape 01.32.09 Join webguest54 [0] (n=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa4c7257fb232005) 01.33.02 # is there a way to find the filename of something in tagcache based on its id3 name? 01.33.37 Quit Axio (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.32 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 01.35.39 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 01.36.42 # any ideas? 01.37.20 Join JdGordon|w [0] (i=cff4943f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ff334ef9782e4523) 01.37.39 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 01.37.43 Nick JdGordon|w is now known as JdGordon|mac (i=cff4943f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ff334ef9782e4523) 01.38.12 Quit webguest54 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.39.13 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.39.40 Join webguest03 [0] (n=42444ee1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c9430c2dc9c50d01) 01.40.34 # brendan193: "documents and settings" contains a space. 01.40.35 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 01.40.57 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.41.05 # what would i take to make the jpeg view turn 180 degrees? 01.41.31 # ya but how do i configgure cygwin to a diffrent folder so i dont run into this problem 01.42.06 # brendan193: just move the entire folder somewhere, and run ../tools/configure again. 01.42.15 # kk thx 01.42.19 # does anyone have any experience with tagcache? 01.42.42 # search for it in the database menu 01.43.25 Quit asdrubal ("Leaving") 01.43.34 # alienbiker are you talking to me? 01.44.53 # yes 01.45.42 # i mean the code 01.45.47 # tagcache.c 01.48.35 Join obaid [0] (n=525355db@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-078fa9a9538c391c) 01.49.44 # hey guys 01.49.53 # webguest03: You basically want to talk to Slasheri. 01.49.55 # i have two little questions about rockbox 01.50.44 # first: i used a self build of rockbox on my sansa e250 before and it had the "load DB to ram" option which made it so much faster 01.51.10 # is it possible to set the same settings in the normal rockbox builds? 01.51.47 # *selfmade 01.53.43 # thanks rasher 01.53.58 Quit webguest03 ("CGI:IRC") 01.55.27 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 01.55.41 # seems like no one here :( even if the list shows some guys up here 01.56.24 # obaid, please have patience. if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. 01.57.14 # obaid: I don't think so... and it only should have been faster if you also had enabled the database auto-update (I don't think Rockbox is slow on my c250 but I don't use auto-update at all and the database not much in general). 01.57.45 # also, what svn revision are you on? Because there was a bug that was fixed just yesterday/today that could have caused slowdown under certain circumstances 01.58.04 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.05 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 02.01.07 Quit obaid ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.02.24 # hmm... just wanted to clarify my statement... 02.05.46 # how do i change the working directory in cygwin 02.08.11 # brendan193: you mean the current directory? "cd /path/to/directory/". same as in DOS. 02.09.15 # code? 02.10.46 # huh? 02.11.25 Quit ali_as ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz") 02.11.51 # what do u mean same in dos 02.12.07 # Don't worry, just ignore that. 02.12.37 # in wondows explorer the folder i need to get to is located @ c:\rockbox-bleeding 02.12.43 # cant get there in cygwin 02.13.14 # Yes, you can. 02.13.25 # how so? 02.13.31 # Use the cd command. 02.13.39 # cd c:\rockbox-bleeding ought to be enough, I think. 02.13.50 # Though it's been ages since I've used cygwin. 02.13.57 # I don't think cygwin supports the windows paths 02.14.05 # you have to use /cygdrive/c/rockbox-bleeding 02.14.10 # ha got it thx 02.14.15 # I'm pretty sure it used to use windows paths just fine 02.14.19 # It would translate 'em, iirc. 02.14.42 # ya the windows path worked i thought it wouldent 02.15.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 02.15.03 Quit JdGordon|mac ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.15.35 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF7E09.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.17.49 # 1 step 4ward 2 steps back 02.18.26 # arm-elf-gcc: command not found 02.18.36 # 4ward is not a real word, please see the guidelines. 02.19.02 # aww 02.19.14 # *forward 02.19.25 Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.20.12 # It means you didn't set up the full environment properly 02.22.08 Part pixelma 02.23.01 # oh 02.24.04 # how can i set it up fully? 02.24.26 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 02.27.32 # ugh... *slamms hed on keyboard* 02.27.39 # brendan193: Follow the instructions? 02.27.50 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.27.56 # There's some wiki page for setting it up, or a few rather. 02.28.01 # I don't know which one you've been following to this point. 02.28.19 # but I certainly hope you went looking for directions first, instead of just trying to guess your way through it. 02.30.36 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.32.46 Quit DerDome (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.33.42 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.37.40 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-32-185.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.44.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.51.23 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 03.01.35 Quit brendan193 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.06.49 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.08.41 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.15.24 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8c41e91f101a280c) 03.30.20 Quit jhulst (Connection timed out) 03.33.10 # * XavierGr slaps forehead 03.33.27 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.33.35 # I am really sorry for the logbot channel flood I didn't realise that all people (and the chaneel) get notified with logbot commands 03.35.14 # * scorche sighs at notices 03.40.24 # yeah, excuse my stupidity :( 03.41.16 # thats alright...i will work on it...on logbot or another bot... 03.56.49 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.58.39 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 04.16.02 Quit chuff () 04.20.15 Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.35.14 Join ipod [0] (n=4b99f4a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-92d254da7ed1697e) 04.36.03 # is there a rockbox build to work with ipod video 5th generation software 1.2.3? 04.36.37 # the ipod video build should work for any version of the apple firmware 04.37.25 # when i install it and restart my ipod it just boots to the ipod OS 04.38.24 # but it shows that it installed it 04.38.39 # how did you install rockbox? 04.39.15 # using that rockbox install thing where you just plug it in and hit install 04.39.47 # which rockbox install thing precisely? 04.40.43 # rbutilqt-1.0.3pre 04.40.51 # do i need the new one? 04.41.32 # Do you have the hold switch flicked on? This will cause it to boot into the Apple firmware. 04.41.40 # no 04.41.52 # i just reset it, leaving the hold switch off 04.42.15 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 04.42.41 # Try installing the boot loader again, from RbUtil. 04.43.33 # ok 04.44.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.48.56 # is this supposed to take forever? im doing another complete install 04.49.09 # i uninstalled it first 04.50.04 # Shouldn't take too long, all it does is download and copy like 5 MB. 04.50.11 # Is your internet really slow? 04.50.31 # it did the download ok its taking a long time to install 04.50.43 # i guyess its waiting for the sync to finish 04.51.03 # What sync? 04.51.10 # itunes 04.51.42 # I'm not sure, but you might want to close iTunes when doing this. 04.53.35 # ok 04.53.38 # THANKS!!! 04.53.40 # it work 04.53.48 # ipod 04.53.56 # are you on a 5th gen? 04.54.09 # yeah 04.54.15 # what OS are you on? 04.54.28 # 1.2.3 04.54.40 # no, your operating system 04.54.45 # xp? vista? 04.54.54 # XP 04.55.04 # why, i could do it on my mac... 04.55.37 # no, theres been a bug with vista and plugging in some newer builds of rockbox. i was wondering if it was happening on XP. 04.55.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.57 # nah i think i just had an old build 04.56.05 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF43B5.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.56.10 # did you use rbutil? 04.56.22 # cause if you did then youre on the latest daily 04.57.18 # ya i did 04.57.30 # did you plug back in your ipod via usb? 04.57.39 # ya 04.57.43 # ok then youre okay XD 04.58.50 # i will see y'all later then 04.58.53 # thanks again! 04.59.07 Quit ipod ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.09.05 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 05.10.27 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.25.16 Join webguest25 [0] (n=4aaa3bc7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-704422c0bb90e4b2) 05.28.32 # Hi hope this is getting through. Can rockbox be use on the original Zune? 05.28.55 # why wouldnt it? and no 05.28.56 # all the devices rockbox runs on are listed on teh front page 05.29.56 # ah I am using a screen reader so it's not recognizing the form labels or whatever 05.32.03 # yeah I looked at the main page, and noticed some devices that supposedly work aren't listed. 05.32.15 # like what? 05.32.39 Join brianinmaine [0] (n=38006719@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fec0084f45672142) 05.32.54 # Supposedly the zenstone works with it. I've asked the person how they did it, but haven't got a respose yet 05.32.56 # where did you hear that that device worked with rockbox? 05.33.32 # zonebbs.com 05.35.07 # I can also make an html link if you want 05.36.54 # i see a thread where both the zen stone and rockbox are talked about, but it doesnt say that rockbox works on the zen stone 05.36.56 # is there any possibility of the zune working with rockbox then? I am blind and don't have much money, so can't take it apart, scan it and all that 05.36.57 # big d :) 05.37.19 # well, no one is working on that port right now, so it is hard to say 05.38.01 # you've heard of me then? or could you tell from the latest posts? 05.38.31 # i just looked at teh latest posts 05.40.10 # I have also posted to another foru to see if anyone has a zune they don't mind explodes :) 05.40.18 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 05.40.57 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.41.22 Join webguest40 [0] (n=447f531a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c9df48731b3708ed) 05.41.44 # hello, does rockbox now offer better battery life on 5th gen ipods? 05.42.02 # test it and find out :) 05.42.59 # nobody has tested yet. I used to have it installed but removed it because battery would die in 2 hours or so. Just wanted to know if anybody gets better battery life now 05.43.30 # 2 hours?...you must have a very old battery.. 05.43.31 # maybe your battery needs to be replaced? how long have you had it? 05.44.23 # well, maybe a year now. It works just fine without rockbox installed. I could listen to a full episode of howard stern and still have good batter life. 05.44.38 # have you performed a proper test? 05.44.41 # also what voice does rockbox use? 05.44.50 # what do you mean 05.45.03 # I like rockbox just wish battery lasted longer 05.45.12 # with it installed 05.45.42 # My friend, a drummer was wondering if anyone is able to use midi on a sansa e280. it only gives errors while playing.. 05.45.54 # rockbox can talk, for visually impaired users or people in the car etc 05.46.17 # i never used anything like that on it. so I wouldn't be able to tell you. 05.46.30 # webguest40: well, have you done a battery bench of your battery to see exactly how long it lasts?...and compared it with the original firmware playing the same songs under similar conditions? 05.46.49 # ah. actually it is on by default, you probably didn't have the .voice file installed 05.47.07 # webguest25: that depends on what you create the voices with...i am far from a voice expert though 05.48.33 # ah ok. I would test it, but can't install it. unless you can use it on a zen nano plus? I use the zune more though, or try to 05.48.55 # the supported players are listed on the front page 05.49.05 # webguest25: all the players that rockbox currently supports are listed on the front page...no more, no less 05.49.10 # well I don't know how to run a battery bench mark. Is that just me keeping an eye on how long it lasts or is there a procedure. 05.49.32 # webguest40: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime 05.49.38 # thanks 05.50.31 # there's a battery bench file in the rocks folder in the rockbox directory, if that helps 05.51.57 Quit Evilnick_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.52.02 # webguest25: yes...it is a plugin that outputs a log file on the battery at different points so you dont have to manually time/watch the device and see when it dies (as well as recording useful information such as voltage, etc) 05.52.40 # also do the voice options work with the games, apps and other things? 05.52.51 # im going to install rockbox again tonight. I love they way I can load my songs without using itunes. makes it easier to backup songs on my other computer as well. 05.53.09 # thanks scorche appreciate the help and info. 05.53.11 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC") 05.54.20 Quit brianinmaine ("CGI:IRC") 05.56.52 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@host-216-220-115-197.dsl.bway.net) 05.57.52 # no dual booting with iAudio X5 huh. 05.58.50 # let me rephrase that (sorry) Does the iAudio X5 bootloader support booting Rockbox and the OF? 05.58.51 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 06.03.12 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 06.03.16 # * midgey cheers for his host mask 06.03.23 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 06.03.31 # Davide-NYC: i think its only possible through a patch 06.04.15 # midgey: it is a cloak...the hostmask was there regardless ;) 06.04.22 # are there plans to implement this similar to the iriver H1x0 bootloader? 06.04.41 # scorche: irc terms... 06.04.49 # yes :) 06.05.23 # I'm trying to get a neophyte user to embrace RB, would like a way for her to back out without bringing the unit back to me. 06.05.30 # Davide-NYC: if someone did it correctly i'm sure it would go into svn 06.05.39 # of course 06.05.57 # i believe the patch relies on the OF somehow (or it did) 06.06.28 # anyone know whats needed to get the viewports+wps patch commitable? 06.06.55 # JdGordon: a couple hours early? :) 06.07.18 # yeah, but im bored now... 06.08.00 # I know this is a dumb question, but how do I log out of this thing? I clicked the close thing in the first frame but nothing happened. do I just close the window? 06.08.12 # that will work 06.08.36 # the "close thing" in the first frame only closes your current window 06.08.39 # ah thanks 06.09.11 Join zemo [0] (n=447f531a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-25f535e25c8426fe) 06.09.39 Quit webguest25 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.09.42 # sorry to bother, but when I download the current build for my 30gig Ipod the file has nothing in it. 06.09.54 # are you on a mac? 06.09.58 # yes 06.10.22 # the zip contains a folder starting with a dot which are hidden on make 06.10.43 # this is because the folder contained in the .zip file starts with a "." which denotes it as hidden...just make sure and extract it to the root of your ipod liek the instructions say 06.11.04 # ok. 06.11.16 # you can either make finder show hidden files, use terminal to unzip the file to your ipod, or use pathfinder 06.11.35 # or use rbutil 06.11.39 Join Evilnick [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-215-64.nyc.res.rr.com) 06.11.44 # or that 06.15.10 Quit zemo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.16.15 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 06.18.42 # anyone in here definatly still experiencing the disk access after every track? 06.20.20 Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.33.56 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 06.34.57 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.36.02 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 06.41.19 # * JdGordon would really like Nico_P to decide its a nice to to get into irc before 6am :p 06.44.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.48.23 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 07.00.32 # its before 7am :-) 07.00.47 # ok, now it _is_ 7 am 07.00.51 # :) 07.01.42 # anyone think there would be much uproar if the shuffle behaviour was changed so the playlist viewer showed the playlist in the order, but the current track jumped around? 07.01.55 # instead of doing the full shuffle before starting 07.02.03 # Yes. 07.02.10 # I'm quite certain there would be some objections. 07.02.33 # I mean, if you save a shuffled playlist, doesn't it save the shuffled order? 07.02.41 # it does 07.03.04 # So long as it's actually shuffling the playlist, and not "random playback", I think the playlist viewer should show the true order. 07.03.05 # arg, forgot about saving playlists... 07.03.09 Join Labyrince [0] (n=Trigger@ppp-69-219-147-179.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 07.03.28 # erm hello, is anyone on? 07.04.15 # 131 users by my count 07.04.51 # ah, but that does not always mean activity 07.05.19 # anyways, do you happen to be knowlegeable with the ipod mini cf hack? 07.05.21 # yes, but they *are* on 07.06.00 # sorry for my poor choice of words 07.06.19 # it is typically best to just come right out with your question rather than start off with a few "narrowing" questions...plus, you can get a response if someone sees the question in their backscroll that way 07.06.42 # thanks scorche 07.07.03 # well i have no idea what to do with the minicf.diff file 07.07.20 # i dont know what directory to put it in, or if im supposed to compile it or something 07.07.24 # ah...so this is more of a "how do i patch" question? 07.07.29 # yeah 07.07.34 Nick kushal_12_27_200 is now known as kushal (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 07.07.54 Nick kushal is now known as LinusVanPet (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 07.08.22 # see, this doesnt have much to do with "being knowlegeable with the ipod mini cf hack" :) ...you might want to have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 07.08.46 Nick LinusVanPet is now known as rickderv (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 07.08.59 # so i need to compile it myself then... 07.09.04 # thanks scorche 07.09.09 Nick rickderv is now known as banOP (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 07.09.11 # yup 07.09.16 Join JayzusPewp [0] (n=jaypewpz@xtreme-154-174.dyn.aci.on.ca) 07.09.30 # is there a precompiled version somewhere i could use? 07.09.33 Nick banOP is now known as BenjaminRogers (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 07.09.41 # BenjaminRogers: stfu, queef 07.09.45 Part JayzusPewp 07.10.03 # sorry 07.10.13 # one last time, 07.10.23 Nick BenjaminRogers is now known as Kushal (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 07.11.10 # Labyrince: you might want to check in the unsupported builds section of the forum...although as the name implies, those builds are unsupported 07.12.49 # Kushal: really...please dont do that again...if you must, leave the channel before doing that...creates much less spamm 07.13.17 # I am not doing that again. sorry. 07.13.36 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 07.13.57 # sadly for me, there is none for 2g mini 07.14.06 # * Bagder chases his kids down the stairs to get breakfast 07.14.13 # Labyrince: then it seems that you are back to that wiki page 07.14.54 # wiki page? 07.15.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 07.15.11 # oh i see lol 07.16.22 # what is the paste command in cgywin? 07.16.54 # i dont know...i dont use cygwin...but perhaps google would know 07.17.15 # yeah you're right, no need for me to annoy you all with easy to answer questions 07.18.15 # if i were to create a build, i just put it on the unsupproted builds right? 07.18.51 # whoa, rockbox has a text browser? 07.19.07 # * Hodapp rushes to go raid Project Gutenberg 07.19.09 # Hodapp: it has a lot of things.. 07.19.20 # oh god, it doesn't reconize svn 07.19.41 # then you havent set it up according to our instructions 07.19.56 # scorche: yes... but a text browser is of interest to me 07.20.09 # it reduces the amount of crap and gadgets I need to keep track of 07.20.15 # but its the first instruction :( 07.20.16 # Labyrince: only put it there if you are willing to comply with the GPL, provide hosting, etc...also, people will be expecting you to help them with the build, as we wont 07.20.29 # Labyrince: not of the cygwin install page linked on that page 07.23.52 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.24.24 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.27.06 # oh well i guess im stick with ofw today, thanks scorche 07.29.06 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 07.32.00 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-32-14.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.32.30 Quit Kushal ("Leaving") 07.34.36 Join lst2 [0] (n=List@gprs.vodafone.se) 07.35.15 # .heard midk 07.35.43 # Midkay 07.36.15 # yo? 07.37.38 # JdGordon: here now 07.37.50 # Me vxo 07.38.09 # U seattle 07.38.40 # lst2: is this turning into something rockbox-related? 07.38.51 # lst2: excuse me? 07.39.35 Join zemo [0] (n=447f531a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-58eb0dfbf8a762a3) 07.39.36 # I need to talk to z 07.40.10 # what kind of text files can rockbox read 07.40.12 # Vaxjo darn it 07.40.44 # I was unsuccessful in finding the info on my own. prob did't look in the right place 07.40.59 # Stupid cellphone 07.41.12 # lst2: if this isnt turning into something rockbox-related, please take it somewhere else.. 07.41.19 # lst2: well, i'm here. 07.42.23 # Where can we talk 07.42.23 Quit zemo (Client Quit) 07.42.33 # #ccwb 07.45.50 Quit gtkspert_ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 07.50.59 Join conando [0] (i=Soeren@dslb-084-060-169-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.55.17 Quit midgey () 07.59.02 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 08.03.43 # Nico_P: the only playback->playlist code is just asking for the next filename to buffer right? 08.06.47 Part lst2 08.13.13 Join kikoman23 [0] (n=kikoman2@97-81-96-226.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com) 08.15.11 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 08.19.56 # * amiconn notices JdGordon around 08.20.10 # * JdGordon notices amiconn also... *wink wink* 08.20.19 # JdGordon: Could you please check the behaviour of those 'simplelists'? 08.20.26 Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.38 # ... which behaviour? 08.20.47 # E.g. the 'Open with..' submenu uses such a list, but the list items do not scroll 08.21.07 # The simplelist itself does use lcd_puts_scroll() 08.21.30 # It looks like the simplelist is redrawn way too often, so that the scrolling text has no chance to start scrolling 08.21.30 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e2d95d2f2869e898) 08.21.52 # yeah, sounds right, should be a simple fix 08.22.17 # Noticed this on the Player, as it made 2 plugins undistinguishable (bookmark....) 08.23.35 # I also noticed that if I enter the 'Open with...' menu, wait for the hdd to spin down, then leave it, during the time the disk spins up again (no dircache on Player of course), the text starts scrolling briefly (visible until it gets replaced by the browser) 08.24.28 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.25.58 Part LinusN 08.26.20 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.26.29 # amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/917290 should fix it 08.26.30 Part LinusN 08.26.51 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.30.38 # Is this explicit ACTION_NONE check necessary? 08.31.08 # which? 08.31.17 # I mean, what's the chance of a changing line count at the same time as another action? 08.31.27 # yeah, very slim 08.31.41 # I think (action == ACTION_REDRAW) || (old_line_count != simplelist_line_count) could be sufficient 08.31.56 # yeah, probably 08.33.51 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 08.33.54 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE3DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.34.15 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@usw3662-s-207-244-148-63.dsl.w-link.net) 08.37.28 Quit cool_walking_ (" ") 08.37.36 # JdGordon: It does fix the 'Open with..' behaviour. Shall I coummit? 08.37.42 # *commit 08.38.00 # yep 08.43.16 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.43.23 Quit kikoman23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.43.31 # LinusN: The 'diff' links in the leftmost column of the build table do not work... 08.44.09 # Correction: The topmost 3 don't work. The older ones do 08.44.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.47.01 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.51.40 # interesting 08.52.12 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.52.17 # i'll leave that for Bagder 08.54.45 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e81-197-70-46.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 08.56.35 # * GodEater notes that gevaerts name is still not displayed correctly on the front page or in "Last 4 weeks" 08.57.25 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 08.58.13 # GodEater: In 'last 4 weeks' he is displayed correctly... 08.58.51 # so he is 08.58.56 # I meant recent 08.59.17 # * GodEater resolves to actually read the URL he's talking about next time 08.59.31 # that's Bagder's domain. i tried to fix it, but the myriad of different scripts confused me, so i only managed to fix the last-4-weeks script 08.59.45 # heh 09.00.09 # has the high speed USB code stabilised for writing over the weekend ? 09.00.16 # don't think so 09.00.32 # I saw some discussion about it yesterday but wasn't sure of the resolution of said discussion 09.00.47 # it dissolved into fixing someone's sansa 09.01.35 # * GodEater updates the Gigabeat S entry on wikipedia's Rockbox page a bit 09.01.41 # Writing works on hdd based targets, *if* the device mounts properly 09.01.53 # could you define "properly" ? 09.02.07 # and why does mounting make any difference ? 09.02.18 # * scorche sees a bit of LinusN -> Bagder -> Zagor ;) 09.02.28 # On sansa, it causes some data corruption which seems to be caused by the sd driver, but only in conjunction with usb highspeed transfers 09.02.49 # so likely some sort of timing issue ? 09.02.54 Quit Rob2222 () 09.03.07 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE3DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.03.22 # amiconn: what does "if the device mounts properly" mean? 09.03.25 # GodEater: On my windows box, it works properly when plugged directly into a root port. If I plug it into my hub, explorer hangs (probably trying to access the mini) until I pull the plug again 09.03.36 # oh 09.04.10 # If it mounts and data transfer is possible, that data is correct 09.04.34 # With fullspeed, I can plug it wherever I want, it always works 09.04.42 # i'd still file that under "unstable" :-) 09.05.49 # yeah 09.06.02 # I have my 5.5G plugged into a "hub" (monitor actually) 09.06.20 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.06.32 # seems to have mounted fine too 09.07.18 # Is that a 2.0 hub? 09.07.47 # yes 09.07.57 # well - it appears to support high speed in any case 09.08.05 # Hmm, interesting 09.08.08 # the ehci module is the one which has picked up the device 09.08.19 # and I got around 5MB/s transfer speed on a read 09.09.03 # could it be a powered vs non powered hub issue? 09.09.06 # I compared highspeed transfer speed on my mini. On reading, rockbox is as fast as apple diskmode, on writing it manages ~70% of diskmode speed 09.09.13 # (if it works at all) 09.10.19 # I'm seeing resets in dmesg output on write attempts 09.10.20 # 2.1MB/s read. 1.4MB/s write (diskmode), 900kB/s write (rockbox). Well, this is just a microdrive.... 09.11.53 # My hub is powered 09.14.37 # There is one other (active) device connected to it: a printer 09.15.26 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.16.51 Quit Rob2222 () 09.17.05 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE3DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.17.22 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 09.17.35 Quit TMM ("Ex-Chat") 09.22.00 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.97.30) 09.24.15 # does anyone think a funciton which stops all scrolling lines which fall in a viewports area, but are not part of that vp is a bad idea? 09.26.35 # you mean so they can't overwrite the viewports area ? 09.26.49 # It sound like something unnecessarily complex 09.26.53 # yeah 09.27.03 # and do you mean "clip" ? 09.27.11 # or do you just mean "stop them scrolling" ? 09.27.34 # im talking simple, so just checking if the line extends into the vp 09.27.40 # and yes, force the lines to stop 09.27.51 # atm, im beign forced to stop all scrolling when enetering the lists 09.27.58 # Active viewports shouldn't overlap, so this issue should not exist 09.28.23 # viewports all overlap the "master" viewport though 09.28.29 Quit MajorC () 09.28.30 # I thought that was the concept anyway ? 09.28.41 # the issue is the wps scrolling lines still scroll in the list vp because the list doesnt know how to kill them by their vps 09.30.07 # I would think that if you switch from the wps to a list (browser, menu etc), the wps would be responsible for destroying its vp 09.30.36 # thats a bad assumption because 99% of the screens cant do that right now 09.31.05 # and that would add heaps of overhead, having to stop them at every exit point 09.34.42 # * JdGordon would _really_ like more testers for 8457 so any bugs can be sorted out before commiting..... 09.35.10 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.47.02 # JdGordon: is the idea to have one .vp file per screen? 09.48.04 # or per widget? 09.50.53 # its not a .vp anymore, just a ingle string saved in the .cfg 09.51.01 # and umm.. per widget atm 09.51.48 # i see now, sorry for not paying attention 09.53.08 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496559B.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.54.37 Quit dionoea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.00.15 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 10.01.11 # Bagder: docs/COMMITTERS isn't in utf-8, is it? Shouldn't it be utf-8? 10.01.46 # * markun was also wondering about that 10.12.56 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 10.20.26 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host254-211-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.26.25 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.32.15 Join asdrubal [0] (n=dribbles@unaffiliated/asdrubal) 10.44.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.46.49 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 10.47.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 10.57.24 Part LinusN 11.05.13 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 11.05.36 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 11.07.31 Quit barrywardell () 11.08.01 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@rockbox/developer/barrywardell) 11.09.33 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet15.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.19.20 # Note that rockbox crashed again successfully within the FM tuner... 11.19.39 # * petur briefly mentions http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ 11.21.38 # * GodEater wonders how crashing can be described as "successful" 11.21.42 Quit XavierGr () 11.22.07 # petur: do we have a project list yet ? 11.22.51 # there's a wiki page but it is mainly stuff of last year on it 11.23.36 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-200-194.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.24.25 # * mrkiko doesn't know how a crash can be defined so, but he knows he is totally broken in his mind now... 11.24.49 # aniway the virtual keyboard is having some problems ... some times. 11.25.04 # petur: I'm just reading that now 11.28.42 Quit asdrubal ("Leaving") 11.31.24 # I think having some more client side tools as projects would be useful - to build the database for example. 11.31.37 # or to build the pictureflow cache for those people that use AA 11.31.54 # * GodEater stares despondently at his ipod screen as it struggles through doing that very task... 11.33.04 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 11.33.11 # has the real time "text to speech" idea been abandoned ? 11.33.22 # not officially 11.33.22 # or do we just think submitting the same project two years running would be a bad idea ? 11.33.58 # one problem is the GPLv3 issue 11.34.03 # ah yes 11.34.09 # I'd forgotten that 11.35.53 # nothing really leaps out at me from the current list of project proposals as a killer "google would be mad not to accept this" project yet 11.36.03 # apart from maybe the Rockbox as App one 11.36.48 # indeed 11.37.20 # some viewport work would be nice (convert screens to use vp) 11.38.42 # and maybe somebody could redesign the fmradio screen 11.38.59 # it's been a long time since I used that 11.39.16 # I only have one target with radio, and it lives in my car, meaning I don't use the FM radio on it ever. 11.39.22 # i tried the Apple FM radio screen the other day - it's really nice and simple 11.39.41 # Apple FM radio screen? 11.39.44 # too simple for my taste, but it worked really nicely 11.39.59 # yes, the screen you get with the Apple FM remote control 11.40.56 # Hmm, actually I have no idea how that fm remote works in conjunction with the main device 11.40.58 # it's easy to design a nice gui when you don't have to support multiple themes and font sizes... 11.41.11 # Rather odd way of providing fm radio support imho 11.41.23 # definitely, but it works 11.43.12 # maybe the WPS idea should be expanded to REC and FM screens... or all screens? 11.44.16 # there once was this idea of a template concept 11.44.34 # * petur is annoyed by the mp3 resume glitch 11.44.44 # the nasty noise? 11.44.49 # yes 11.44.58 # yeah, i hate it 11.45.18 # can't believe it hasn't been fixed yet 11.46.00 # most bugs don't fix themselves 11.46.18 # any objections/comments about this: http://pastebin.com/m129e1e60 11.46.29 # * amiconn doesn't know about a nasty noise 11.46.31 # I know, but this is core functionality... 11.46.33 # it boosts the cpu frequency to max in the sansa bootloader 11.46.51 # That is, I do, but not regarding mp3 11.46.52 # amiconn: resume an mp3 and there's some noise before playback starts 11.47.00 # Never noticed... 11.47.17 # i have noticed it on my X5 11.47.22 # should it apply to all other PP bootloaders? 11.47.27 # but only when you resume directly after boot 11.48.21 # * amiconn thinks bootloaders should never set cpufreq to maximum 11.48.43 # iPhone ? 11.50.03 # i also think bootloaders should stay safe 11.50.35 # what's wrong with it? the of bootloders do it 11.51.38 # and it speeds up the e200 bootloader a lot when it's used as a replacement for the of bootloader 11.56.39 # LinusN: I would like the coldfire bootloaders to set cpufreq to normal instead of keeping the slow 11MHz 11.56.49 # But not maximum, of course 11.57.17 # i can go with that 11.57.22 Join polaroid [0] (n=godgryph@cpe-76-167-58-62.socal.res.rr.com) 11.58.05 # the sansa starts up at 24MHz and when the OF bootloader is done, it's at 80MHz 11.58.38 # amiconn: what's wrong with maximum? 11.59.11 # If the bootloader hangs, the cpu would be locked at maximum frequency, draining a lot of power, producing heat etc 12.00.10 # i just installed rockbox on my ipod, and it runs great; however, when i plug it into my computer (x64 windows vista ultimate) it crashed my computer and brings me to the blue screen of death. advice? 12.00.50 # polaroid: get a better OS on your pc? 12.01.37 # i wish 12.01.42 # its a laptop 12.01.52 # id install linux but backing up is a bitch 12.02.03 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 12.02.15 # well, it's not really Rockbox's fault your OS is crap... 12.02.28 # yeah 12.02.39 # but id still like to know if anybody else is having the same issue 12.02.47 # polaroid: go back to an earlier build. Builds up to and including 2008-02-22 don't cause the problem 12.02.50 # well, rockbox isn't exactly nice to the usb host as it is now 12.03.39 # well, an OS shouldn't go bazoom anyway 12.03.53 # amiconn: if the bootloader hangs, it will be draining power regardless of the frequency, so maybe it's a bit worse, but imho not much 12.04.14 # It's much worse.... 12.04.19 # id do that if i could plug it in T_T 12.04.23 # but thank you 12.04.28 # Did you ever try keeping a small H10 at 80MHz for a while? 12.04.29 # oh right 12.04.32 # The problem seems to be triggered by a change in the usb serial number that rockbox sends back. It starts at r16374 12.04.35 # It becomes hot... 12.04.42 # polaroid: but you can use the OF for it 12.04.48 # polaroid: boot into emergency disk mode, that should work 12.04.58 # 0f? emergency disk mode? 12.05.10 # amiconn: hmm. ok. heat is more serious 12.05.20 # I find it hilarious that a bad usb id crashes vista... 12.05.30 # me too XD 12.05.37 # still pretty annoying though 12.06.04 # what is an 0f? 12.06.10 # OF* 12.06.19 # and how do i boot into emergency disk mode 12.07.05 # polaroid: it should be in the rockbox manual somewhere. I can't help more, as I don't have an ipod 12.07.10 # okay 12.07.14 # thank you 12.07.45 # amiconn: but how likely is it that the bootloader will hang without the user noticing? 12.08.02 Join SSnake [0] (n=dfsff@host-84-220-194-171.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 12.08.07 # hi all 12.10.14 # Can someone with an ipod, linux and recent svn check if the serial number actually is ok ? 12.13.48 # amiconn: the current rockbox sansa bootloader runs at 80MHz (and probably all the PP ones) and there have been no reports of problems 12.24.37 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.27.34 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.30.53 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.34.21 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B160AD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.34.31 # hi SSnake 12.35.11 # hi markun :> 12.37.03 Quit polaroid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.38.44 # SSnake: I thought maybe you had a question and were waiting for someone to respond.. 12.41.50 Join dimap [0] (n=4e6a3068@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-92eeb8286cbf6b08) 12.42.45 Quit dimap (Client Quit) 12.43.14 # well,yes i had a question...about google SoC, but i asked directly to a developer 12.44.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.45.37 # * amiconn only noticed yesterday that he caught an interesting svn revision on Saturday :) 12.45.48 # http://code.google.com/soc/2008 12.46.01 # "Google Summer of Code 2008 is on!" 12.46.43 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.47.08 # anyone else interested in SoC? 12.47.18 # I think a lot of us are 12.47.26 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/22/rockbox-on-gsoc-2008/ 12.48.08 # I think we need some more inspiring project ideas 12.48.18 # yes 12.48.41 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020710]") 12.49.19 # * amiconn likes the GSoC idea, but won't use anything from Google that requires registration 12.50.30 # you use code that comes as a result of gsoc... :-) 12.53.57 # That doesn't require *me* to register with google.... 12.54.02 # what kind of registration do you mean? 12.54.36 # LinusN: the mentors and students need to register 12.54.41 # and amiconn is paranoid 12.54.48 # of course they have to register 12.55.14 Quit Soap_ () 12.55.23 # you can't expect google to hand out piles of money to anonymous strangers 12.58.21 # I don't think I'm paranoid. Of course I understand that I have to register if it's about money. 12.58.48 # amiconn isn't paranoid, google really *are* out to get him 13.00.04 # gsoc is about money 13.01.40 # My h340 suffers of the resume glitch,, but I never signaled it - I'm tired of speaking about rockbox problems. So much good people is working on rockbox. 13.01.53 # * GodEater would like to think GSOC is about helping open source projects. Money is just the way to acheive it.... 13.04.38 # I think it's a shame amiconn refuses to register too :( - I think he'd make a great mentor. 13.04.58 # some interesting statistics on sansa boot time using various bootloaders: http://pastebin.com/m984cafa 13.05.28 # * barrywardell is hoping that they will persuade amiconn and LinusN that running the rockbox bootloader at 80MHz is a good idea 13.05.56 # * Bagder is with barrywardell on this 13.08.35 # * mrkiko is crashing 13.08.51 # i would do gsoc 13.08.56 # but I'm not 18 13.09.25 # barrywardell: Sansa is PP5022/5024, so heat might not be that big an issue. But H10 and several iPods are PP5020, and heat definitely is an issue on those 13.10.51 # amiconn: on my H10, at least, the bootloader already runs at 80MHz. I can't comment on the iPods because I don't have one 13.11.45 # amiconn: for the time being, I'm only proposing setting the cpu frequency on sansa since that's the only place we can safely replace the bootloader 13.11.52 # amiconn: speaking of heat, could you try high-speed usb on the H10 with the trigger_boost() calls from usb_storage.c removed ? It doesn't work at all any more on my c250. 13.12.51 # * gevaerts means high speed doesn't work at all any more without boost 13.14.30 # barrywardell: I'm not concerned about regular bootloader operation, as that's just a few seconds. But imho the bootloader should stay safe even if it locks up for whatever reason (broken hdd ...) 13.18.06 # amiconn: yes, but making sure the sansa bootloader runs at 80MHz is not really changning the current behaviour 13.18.45 # Iiuc it is 13.18.55 # amiconn: and I think it's far more likely that rockbox could freeze while boosted which would be the same problem 13.20.13 # Is there anyone here who can reproduce the Vista BSOD issue and can try a test build ? 13.20.17 # the sansa of bootloader leaves the device running at 80MHz when it starts the rb bootloader, so that's what I mean by it not changing the current behavious 13.20.21 # gevaerts 13.20.36 # i'll try it out 13.22.07 # * gevaerts is waiting for a slow upload to finish 13.22.39 # barrywardell: It is, because right now if the sansa loader would hang, it would not start the rockbox bootloader at all. So if it acts up, it would not be the rb bootloader's fault if something goes seriously wrong 13.23.01 # fyrestorm: wget http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rockbox-noserial.zip 13.23.20 # got it 13.23.29 # * gevaerts typed one word too much, and hopes Bagder won't get angry about it 13.23.59 # gevaerts: Not before tonight 13.24.11 # amiconn: ok. 13.24.18 # amiconn: but if the rockbox bootloader hangs, we're still running at 80MHz and it is the rb bootloader's fault if something goes seriously wrong 13.24.19 # is the recent svn table on the frontpage gone for somebody else? 13.24.26 # gevaerts: Do you already have an idea (aka, checked with the usb tracer) what could be the cause of the hub problem? 13.24.44 # barrywardell: yes 13.24.56 # amiconn: not yet. I hope to get to it later today 13.27.37 # gevaerts: no bsod 13.27.51 # * Bagder looks at gevaerts and hrmpfs ;-) 13.28.06 # fyrestorm: thanks. That confirms the serial number theory. 13.28.22 # * gevaerts promises he will try to change his old habits some day 13.28.25 # just tried it on vista 32 13.28.38 # if i disappear now 13.28.44 # on my 64 bit 13.28.47 # XD 13.29.13 # yeah we're good 13.33.00 # pixelma: yes, it seems gone... 13.33.22 # Zagor probably fixed it :) 13.33.45 # So the Vista BSOD problem is definitely triggered by something in the USB serial number. Any objections to disabling the serial number if USE_ROCKBOX_USB is not set ? That will make Vista users running the daily builds happy until we have a real fix 13.34.13 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 13.34.13 # no objection :P 13.36.56 # and while we're at it, send a note to Bill, c/o Microsoft, congratulating him on such a highly strung OS ? 13.37.16 # gg 13.37.28 # it's great being able to BSOD any demo computer by just plugging in rockbox :) 13.37.33 # yep 13.37.44 # make it an option. 13.37.53 # * GodEater resolves to walk through Dixons and Currys and murder all the laptops on display 13.38.01 # if UP is pressed, crash host :) 13.43.44 # XP has no problem with rockbox' usb serial number 13.44.01 # Perhaps vista doesn't expect a 40-char serial number? 13.44.34 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy14.netz.sbs.de) 13.45.37 # amiconn: this specific commit went back to minimal-length serials, so 16 digits for ipods 13.45.59 # Can anyone check if the serial number looks reasonable using lsusb ? 13.46.40 Join webguest62 [0] (n=53ed3e45@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-824fcdd1336864b8) 13.48.46 # hello!i am porting rockbox to meizu m6.i need some help.after decrypting original frimware i need to dissembely this file and read the ARM dissembelycode.but i can find anywhere arm dissemlyer.could you give me a link our have a look on this code? 13.54.42 # webguest62: the GNU objdump utility will disassemble arm code in a very rudimentary manner, or you can pay for IDA pro, which does a much better job, but costs money. 13.55.14 # there's also an arm disassembler in the rockbox source code tree 13.57.37 # where is this? 13.58.06 # rockbox/utils/disassembler/arm/ 14.02.32 # i cant gind it.could you give me a link on utils? 14.04.51 # there isn't a "link" to it 14.04.56 # you need to checkout the rockbox source tree 14.05.00 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/utils/disassembler/arm/ 14.05.02 # and find it in there on your local machine 14.05.08 # * petur proves there is a link :p 14.06.34 # * barrywardell creates FS#8642 to discuss the sansa bootloader and boot cpu frequency issue 14.06.43 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 14.08.22 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.10.04 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 14.11.30 Join codesquid [0] (n=codesqui@kong.kawo1.RWTH-Aachen.DE) 14.12.23 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.12.26 Join dimap [0] (n=4e6a3068@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-216798c1e38a83b3) 14.14.14 Quit dimap (Client Quit) 14.20.26 Quit kies (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.22.41 Join kies [0] (n=kies@adsl-76-247-166-0.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) 14.23.21 Quit webguest62 ("CGI:IRC") 14.25.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.28.52 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.33.21 # It's really stunning how different the icons make things feel. 14.35.36 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-69-249-243-110.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 14.38.15 Quit pixelma (" maintenance") 14.39.28 # My Database has been building for 4 minutes :P and its staying at 453 Files :( 14.41.54 # Is this an error? 14.42.05 # are there any movies? 14.42.51 # No 14.43.10 # is that all the files on your RockBox player? 14.43.15 # Oh its an iPod Nano 14.43.27 # I'm not 100 percent sure, but i think it is 14.44.00 # Hold on, im going to check :) 14.44.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.44.43 # then it's probably tying off the end of the database etc. I'm not too sure as my Gigabeat took about 20-odd seconds then told me to shutdown and restart. 14.46.59 # hmmm.. 14.47.37 # I'd hold off hard resetting for a little bit 14.47.56 # it's possible it has choked on a bad tag in a file too 14.48.04 # in which case resetting might be your only choice 14.48.14 # :\ 14.48.18 # Well brb... 14.48.22 # yeah. leave it another minute then hard-reset 14.48.53 # there are a lot of people out there with badly tagged music. At some point our database code should get round to handling that ;) 14.48.57 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.49.21 # well at least some people tag their music. I know mine by intro only 14.50.43 # * GodEater has no idea what that means 14.51.23 # None of my music has proper tags 14.52.29 # it can be a fairly daunting task to remedy that if you have a large music collection too 14.52.43 # I ended up using musicbrainz to sort mine out once and for all about a month ago 14.52.47 # took me a week =. 14.53.48 # I used musicbrainz for about 30 minutes, then it named AC/DC "Shoot to thrill" -> "She's my girl" and I decided it wasn't too accurate 14.54.44 # lol... 14.56.06 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4E6E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.56.49 # interesting - I don't think it mistagged any of my music 14.56.50 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 14.57.06 # there were some it didn't know tags for (so it gave them none) - but for the most part is was very accurate 14.57.57 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@rockbox/developer/barrywardell) 14.58.01 # Maybe mine was just a really crappy encode. that was before I started using Ubuntu as my main OS, RockBox on my Gigabeat and FLAC as my encoding of choice 15.00.08 # is there anything like iTunes for linux? 15.00.23 # gtkpod 15.00.23 # XMMS seems to be the one most people use 15.00.33 # XMMS is so out of date it's not funnt 15.00.37 # *funny 15.00.37 # billenium: amarok 15.00.48 # okay 15.00.50 # i honestly wouldn't know, I use Rhythmboz 15.00.57 # Rhythmbox* 15.01.15 # Well i need a way for it to put it on my iPod like iTunes does (tags and right placement...) 15.01.17 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 15.01.17 # it depends which features of iTunes you're after when you ask that too 15.01.28 # billenium: then gtkpod or amarok are what you want 15.01.32 # yeah 15.01.51 # although with RockBox you should be able to just drop them on there IIRC 15.01.51 # XMMS definitely doesn't do that 15.02.05 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.02.08 # zedd_D1abl1: yes, but then he can't play tracks back in the OF 15.02.16 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 15.02.24 # who uses OF once they've got RockBox? 15.02.36 # Does Rockbox have any funky plugins that support ratings or anything? I don't really even know what normal iPod firmware does because I had it replaced after 2 1/2 hours 15.02.46 # zedd_D1abl1: lots of people 15.03.02 # Hodapp: Rockbox does ratings itself - no plugin required 15.03.08 # Cool. 15.03.13 # I suppose I should be RTFMing about now. 15.05.46 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-969eeb31701fb588) 15.07.47 # yeah, you really should be Hodapp :) 15.08.55 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 15.15.33 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.15.45 Join Soul-Burn [0] (n=b@bzq-79-178-66-6.red.bezeqint.net) 15.17.01 # Bug: Ipod photo. reset and load original firmware. reset to rockbox. shut down. wait for about an hour. loading the player hangs with a "low power" symbol tho there's more than enough juice 15.17.21 # Soul-Burn: yes - this is a well know bug in the apple flash bootloader 15.17.49 # i.e. nothing whatsoever to do with Rockbox 15.18.30 Part SSnake 15.19.03 Quit barrywardell_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.19.28 Quit billenium ("Lost terminal") 15.21.07 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.34.25 Quit barrywardell () 15.36.51 Join ali_as [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 15.44.15 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.56.04 Quit DaCapn () 15.56.58 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCF398.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.00.05 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 16.05.35 Join BitTorment_ [0] (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 16.08.45 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.09.17 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.09.35 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 16.10.48 # Thanks to whichever Swede put the revision number into the frontpage table.. any chance the same could happen to the last 4 weeks, since 2.5 and the (still mysteriously arbitrary AFAIK) since Aug 1st 2006 tables? 16.11.15 # * pondlife would prefer a last 6 months instead of 1st Aug 2006.... 16.11.28 # :) 16.13.26 # Also thanks to Lear, that was a mighty good commit 16.13.26 Quit barrywardell () 16.15.35 # indeed it was 16.15.48 # Green delta, simpler code and about 10 fixed bugs 16.15.53 # Bargain 16.16.19 # Nico_P: I almost sent your drive on Saturday but got to the post office too late and it had shut. 16.16.31 # apparently there are still some resume issue left, aren't there? 16.16.38 # I don't think so 16.16.57 # The bookmark issue has been fixed for one person at least 16.17.10 # when do you think you'll have another shot at it (the HD)? 16.17.12 # cool 16.18.03 # It's sat here all labelled and ready, but I don't have a car during the week, and the nearest p/o is 35 mins walk. So, probably Sat morning 16.18.40 # Or I might fix my bike :) 16.19.23 # Nico_P: So far it looks like Lear's additional commit fixed the flac resume issue. At least it didn't happen again in the folder where I got it before 16.19.37 # amiconn: good news :) 16.19.55 # It seems to have made startup faster here. 16.20.44 # Although I did seem to have a very short battery life on Sat evening, about 6 hours... 16.20.54 # I'm currently running a battery bench 16.20.56 Quit BitTorment__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.21.00 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 16.22.01 # now for the mp3 resume bug.... 16.22.20 # petur: what's that one? 16.22.37 # The noise? 16.22.42 # yes 16.22.47 # petur: Do you have crossfade on? 16.22.55 # 8498 16.22.59 # ah yes 16.23.02 # no crossfade 16.23.31 # I've had it happen, but not reproducible. Also it didn't seem related to first play after boot. 16.23.47 # As in, when it happened, I could stop and play and get a burst of noise each time 16.23.55 # On H380 16.24.16 # I've not had it happen on Gigabeat F20, or sim. 16.25.10 # (I expect logbot won't like this, but here goes.) I've not had it since Lear's commit though. 16.26.35 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.31.28 Part LinusN 16.32.27 Join Evilnick_ [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-215-64.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.36.52 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1cf6338099eedad7) 16.44.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.44.51 Join JamPSi [0] (n=jamps@a91-152-120-58.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 16.45.25 Quit corevette (Remote closed the connection) 16.48.55 # Bagder: are you in charge of flyspray? 16.49.10 Quit Evilnick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.51.44 # I think Zagor is 16.52.14 # * pondlife considers an H300 bootloader with CPU boosted... 16.53.12 # what for? 16.53.46 Join brainwreck [0] (i=gloworm@c-71-192-106-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 16.53.48 # Did you see the speed improvement on Sansa - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8642 16.54.01 # that was going to be my question haha 16.54.17 # We boost fairly quickly after boot anyway 16.55.02 # I'd be interested to see if it makes such a noticable difference on Coldfire. 16.55.03 # Read today's log, around noon 16.55.37 # I wouldn't want our bootloader to switch to cpufreq_max for safety reasons 16.55.55 # The coldfire bootloaders should switch to cpufreq_normal though, imho 16.56.43 # I agree with barrywardell that a lockup during playback/buffering (when boosted and potentially unattended) is more likely than during boot. 16.57.39 # I've had a locked/boosted H340 with no pin handy in the past too. It gets a little warm, but no smoke ;) 16.58.05 # * petur knows the feeling 16.58.20 # running back inside for a paperclip 16.58.36 # I was on the motorway, 80 miles from home 16.58.48 # In a hire vehicle... 16.59.16 # I now have a paperclip hidden behind the silicon skin ;) 16.59.38 # petur: Always come prepared. :) 16.59.54 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@pD955C9B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.00.10 # At one point, I was considering fitting a reset button. But luckily Rockbox became much more stable. 17.01.55 Quit JamPS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.13 # On H300 we could activate the PCF poweroff safety measure. Would be a little illogical because you could then switch off the H300 by holding ON for a while, but still better when being stuck without a paperclip... 17.03.33 # How long to hold? 17.04.00 # 8 seconds iirc 17.04.07 # That would be good, IMHO 17.04.12 # But if rockbox is responsive, we can reset the timer 17.04.37 # So even an extended hold wouldn't switch it off by accident, as long as rockbox didn't lock up 17.04.49 # * pondlife wonders why Iriver bothered with the reset button hardware, given this exists... 17.05.01 Quit pixelma (" take 2") 17.05.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.05.45 # * petur boots OF to see if they implemented it 17.06.12 # 8 seconds is plenty long. I don't think it's likely to be triggered by accident (although I don't suppose it could respect the hold switch). 17.06.31 # I guess putting it into a pocket might push/hold PLAY, but it's unlikely. 17.07.09 # pondlife: Probably they just took over the "proven design" from H1x0 17.07.24 # of doesn't shutdown after 8 secons... 17.07.36 # +d 17.07.46 # seconsd ? 17.08.04 # * petur kicks pondlife 17.08.10 # * pondlife drops his beer :( 17.09.10 # I guess I'm just itching to try the SVN bootloader again, and boosting the CPU to max seems like a good way to add a bit of thrill risk. 17.09.59 # which reminds me I was going to find out why SVN fails on my h380 sometimes 17.10.03 # * LambdaCalculus37 gives pondlife another beer 17.10.11 # Cheers! 17.10.29 # Cheers! 17.11.29 # who put "file transfers are now supported" on to MajorChanges? Seems a bit premature given it's not enabled in the current automated builds 17.12.32 # GodEater: it was Nico_P 17.13.00 # GodEater: I was just thinking the same - IMO we should remove that line 17.13.13 # me too 17.13.32 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.13.37 # maybe just add something about it still being experimental and not enabled by default 17.14.01 # I think we should just hold off on it at all until it's supported in the same way everything else in MajorChanges is "supported" 17.14.23 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.16.08 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 17.18.40 # i am loving RB on the sansa e200. I am wondering if there is a way to get RockBoy to run faster or if there has been any optimisation of that ? 17.19.19 # brainwreck: you've set the frameskip option already ? 17.19.35 # i set the skip to 3 i think 17.19.50 # brainwreck: start programming and make it run on both cores and use the assembly core from iboy 17.20.10 # Nico_P: IMO, the MajorChanges page is for users to see when new features are implemented. As the new USB driver isn't enabled in official builds, I don't think it's worth mentioning at all. 17.20.25 # * GodEater agress again 17.20.30 # and agrees too 17.21.49 # * petur counts to 5 before editing that topic himself 17.21.58 # true, but it did get mentioned once ("2007-11-23: Initial USB Stack for PortalPlayer 502X based devices") 17.22.38 # it did change charging behaviour 17.22.52 # yep 17.22.56 # so was worth mentioning then 17.22.57 # oh, didn't know that 17.23.32 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.83) 17.23.56 # 5 17.26.26 # 11 17.27.28 Join webguest13 [0] (n=47f2c618@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ce7422b5dfca3683) 17.27.43 # hello 17.27.43 # you were counting to 11 for what ? 17.27.54 # * GodEater applauds the MajorChanges wikioverlord and his actions 17.28.01 # question about tockbox 17.28.06 # rockbox 17.28.12 # can't wait 17.28.32 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-60-91.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.29.45 # is this where we ask help for on rockbox? 17.29.58 # im getting random shutdowns and totally battery drains on my ipod when scanning a new database 17.30.13 # fyrestorm: let it charge more before you use it ? 17.30.18 # webguest13: What's your question? 17.30.20 # fully charged. 17.30.28 # then sounds like you need a new battery 17.30.32 # its not really random 17.30.36 # webguest13: unless it is mentioned in the manual/wiki... 17.30.42 # but it happens everytime 17.30.59 # fyrestorm: I repeat, sounds like you need a new battery then 17.31.05 # hrm 17.31.09 # i got rockbox up and running on my ipod, but when I look at the file structure with a file manager (like midnight commander) I cannot see any of the rockbox files 17.31.32 # webguest13: presumably it hides files starting with a "." then 17.31.46 # GodEater: Beat me. :) 17.32.14 # no I do see files from podzila (I installed ipodlinux earlier) 17.32.20 # webguest13: Linux (and Unix) hide files and folders that begin with a "." 17.32.30 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 17.32.31 # webguest13: what's that got to do with rockbox ? 17.33.16 # I was trying to add a wad file to the doom game by manually dragging it there but can't seem to find any files 17.33.26 # webguest13: if you've got rockbox running well, then they're there, simple as that that, look for .rockbox at the root 17.34.36 # * LambdaCalculus37 tries to remember if Midnight Commander had a hidden file view option 17.34.49 # * preglow never liked any of the commanders 17.34.52 # I do see .rockbox at /media/.rockbox but there isn't anything in it 17.35.07 # webguest13: then you don't have a working rockbox install 17.35.16 # webguest13: Download and reinstall again. 17.36.11 # webguest13: and make sure to remove the "rockbox.ipod" file it sounds you have placed at the root directory after you have installed again 17.36.13 # when I unplug my ipod, rockbox comes up and I can play some of the games 17.36.37 # webguest13: well, ok, then something is awfully wrong, you can't play games if .rockbox is empty 17.37.19 # yes midnight commander has a hidden file option and i have it enabled 17.37.27 # those games are placed in .rockbox/rocks/, and you sure as hell can't play anything if that directory does not exist 17.37.32 # yes preglow I know it is freaking weird 17.37.58 # well, screw midnight commander, use "cd" and "ls" 17.37.59 Join cars [0] (n=451de957@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11b8c415943ae256) 17.38.00 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 17.38.15 # maybe I should remove all the ipod linux (non-existant rockbox files) and reinstall rockbox from there 17.38.25 # and it sounds like you're doing something weird, you shouldn't be looking in /media/.rockbox, you should be looking in /media/IPODNAMEHERE/.rockbox 17.38.37 # webguest13: Yes, good idea. 17.38.37 # lol preglow 17.41.24 # ok I'll do that then and see what happens. Ok if and when I get rockbox installed with viewable files, how would I add playlist etc so the databse finds them 17.41.52 # reading the manual would be a good start 17.42.00 # also, the db doesn't deal in playlists as far as i know 17.42.06 # nope it doesn't 17.42.14 # webguest13: Our manual has many answers, and is your best friend. 17.42.39 # I have read the manual (probably too fast) so I will do that again. Thanks for the help 17.44.37 Quit midgey () 17.45.19 # webguest13: Always remember: Read the manual. If what you're looking for isn't there, THEN come see us. 17.45.43 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC") 17.46.06 Join LambdaCalculus27 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1444599cc997306a) 17.46.35 # now I see what happened 17.47.02 # rockbox was installed on the Apple partition of the IPOD 17.47.45 # when I deleted all of the old ipodlinux install I could see the rockbox files 17.49.08 # question? I should be able to run the rbutil from my home directory in my linux box? I don't need to have the rbutil on my ipod, correct? 17.49.41 # correct 17.49.44 # webguest13: Yes. 17.49.59 # cool, thanks 17.50.10 # is that not clear in the manual ? 17.50.52 Nick LambdaCalculus27 is now known as LambdaCalculus37 (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1444599cc997306a) 17.51.11 # well anything new (install rockbox etc) can sem confusing and the install directions were either that or just to damn easy 17.51.40 # I didn't understand that sentence 17.51.44 # is it clear or not ? 17.51.47 # no 17.51.56 # What wasn't clear about the instructions? 17.52.00 # right thanks :) 17.52.07 # what would you prefer to have read to make it clear ? 17.52.17 # then we can change it 17.54.07 # the instructions on the automatic install tell you what it does and directs you to the rbutil then thats it. It would helpful if after that, you have some very basic, simple, clear install instructions 17.54.54 # webguest13: RBUtil has well labeled buttons, and it shouldn't take too much guesswork to say "Oh, so this button does this" and "That button does that". 17.55.19 # Ex: 1. Download the rbutil from here (link). 2. Extrct the file using (whatever) to you home directory. 3. Make (file) executable by (instructions) 17.55.33 # I was absolutely amazed at how seemless the install was 17.55.42 # i was expecting to have to go through contortions 17.56.03 # congratz on a very slick open source product ! 17.56.12 # brainwreck: Thank you very much. :) 17.56.20 # well not everyone has the same inteligence as others 17.56.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 gives brainwreck a cookie for his kind words 17.56.33 # ... the sansa software is ridiculous. so nice to have it replaced 17.56.45 # I too thought it is an easy install once I got the util to get going 17.56.55 # GodEater do you happen to know what the best frameskip number would be for Rockboy on the sansaE200 ? 17.57.07 # webguest13: Can you run the util right now? 17.57.18 # and I am not knocking it, it is fantastic, just trying to offer some info on my experience with it 17.57.23 # midkay I am a decent programmer ... have other people done this deal with iBoy already ? 17.58.42 # Webguest13: One thing I noticed while installing with rbutil was that it wasn't immediately clear which option to choose when clicking the complete install button when the dialog comes up saying something like ""Ipod firmware is working and up--to-date. Do you want to replace it?" 17.58.54 # oh it was midgey and he left 17.59.48 # there was something with RButil where an FAQ was saying NOT to use the full install button 18.00.06 # but instead to use the Bootloader and then Install buttons seperately on the second tab 18.00.25 # bootloader installer* 18.00.33 # brainwreck: Thanks for pointing that out. 18.00.47 # webguest13: Do you see what brainwreck just mentioned? Did you use that install method? 18.01.01 # yeah now that i think about it that was the snag I ran into with RButil 18.01.13 # the softare is fantstic, the install instructions are good but I think what is missing is a very simple 1. 2. 3. set of instructions at the end of the automatic install info 18.01.33 # ah ok thanks agin 18.01.43 # well those instructions are there ... but then you find out they are wrong for the time being from the FAQ 18.01.44 # hehe 18.02.02 # i think that will all be fixed in due time, judging by how solid the rest of it is 18.02.16 # I echo webguest13's praise. Other than a weird specific 2gen Ipod issue, I have had no problems, given that this is rapidly changing experimental software. 18.02.43 # I am uninstalling the rockbox install from my ipod and gonna do I complete fresh install 18.03.08 # it is taking a while to uninstall the bootloader 18.03.24 # it's just siting there on 0% 18.03.30 # midgey left.. does anyone else have any input about using iBoy with RB on a SansaE200 ? 18.04.15 # bbl gotta run to the store, anyone want anything 18.06.12 # and he said " both cores " ... I did not think the sansa had multiple cores 18.06.43 # brainwreck: it does 18.06.53 Part pondlife 18.06.57 # brainwreck: and iboy is ipl, not rockbox 18.07.23 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.23 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@92.226.199.80) 18.07.27 # ipod linux yeah. someone was suggesting porting part of it or something 18.07.50 # sure, that should indeed be possible 18.08.11 # " brainwreck: start programming and make it run on both cores and use the assembly core from iboy" 18.08.31 # sounds like a fair summary ;-) 18.09.00 # i do not know squack about assembly haha 18.09.52 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.10.55 # i bet if ' make it run on both cores' were a quick task it would have been done by now 18.11.01 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 18.11.10 Quit Soul-Burn () 18.12.00 # brainwreck: not necessarily 18.12.15 # I don't think many people care for rockboy or bothers much about improving it 18.12.19 # * Bagder runs off 18.12.22 # brainwreck: yeah - we only have one vaguely interested developer for rockboy 18.12.30 # and I've not seen him for months 18.12.52 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B160C2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.13.38 # hmmm... the pacbox plug is really neat 18.13.50 # is there a way to get other roms running on that ? 18.14.02 # or is it pacman only 18.14.32 # that plug appears to run at full speed 18.14.45 # pacman only 18.17.53 # Llorean thinks RBUtil needs it's *own* manual ? 18.17.59 # wow - it must be really complicated now 18.19.12 # * Domonoky thinks rbutil doesnt need a manual, it needs more work ! :-) 18.19.39 # GodEater haha 18.19.49 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 18.20.12 # well... its not complex but at least for my install it does not function correctly and I had to resort to the FAQ for a workaround 18.20.16 # well Llorean wouldn't say that if he didn't mean it 18.20.20 # which aint so bad,,, I was expecting way worse 18.20.54 # Putting the usb tracer between my laptop and my sansa makes the ehci errors go away. Since the tracer should act as a repeater (at most), this might point to a signal quality issue. There are still resets, following 95-byte packets that should be 512 (those look familiar...) 18.21.31 # * Domonoky doesnt see any bugreports about rbutil in the tracker, so it must be working perfectly :-) 18.21.44 # gevaerts: I tried out High Speed on my 5.5G today 18.21.49 # I get resets in dmesg when trying to do writes 18.21.53 # reads appear ok though 18.22.28 # Does it recover from the resets ? 18.22.58 # well it keeps trying to write I guess 18.23.27 # I was doing an "find /mnt/ipod/ -name "blahblahblah" -exec rm {};" at the time 18.23.30 # so it was hard to tell 18.24.18 # So you were basically stress-testing it. I seem to get most resets from reads. It recovers quicly though 18.24.31 # I didn't see any for reads 18.24.41 # I'll try using it a bit more tomorrow to see 18.25.00 # I have to run now 18.25.02 # later all 18.25.04 # Bye 18.25.07 # GodEater: Bye! 18.26.52 # Does Rockbox use a significanly higher amount of memory than the default Ipod OS? It seems like it does not or is not able to buffer more than one or two songs in it's memory (the hdd spins up after almost every song). 18.27.38 # I have a 2G Ipod. 18.27.41 # ipod 5.5G 80GB? 18.27.47 # nvm 18.27.59 # cars: do you use dircache?> 18.28.13 # cars: rockbox should use all aviable memory for buffering... so the often spinups are something else.. 18.28.55 # it could also be the fontcache ( if your songs have text from many different languages, or if you use a very big font) 18.28.58 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.28.59 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B160C2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.29.25 # JdGordon: You mean Load DB to RAM? Yes, I do. 18.29.37 # no, i mean dircache... 18.29.50 # definatelly sounds related to FS#8601 18.30.01 # can you open your .rockbox/config.cfg file in notepad and see if there is a line "dircache: on"? 18.30.08 # JdGordon: Sure. 18.30.16 # if there isnt, can you test a build for me? 18.32.54 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3FA11.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.34.47 # JdGordon: No, it is not. I can test a build if it's not there, but not immediately. 18.35.53 # ok, pm me an email and ill send you the build... I think dircache could be causing the extra spinups (even if its disabled) but cant test it out 18.36.20 # which ipod? 18.36.42 # 2G, so I have the "random builds don't work" bug 18.37.06 # arg, ok 18.37.15 Nick cars is now known as cars2 (n=451de957@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11b8c415943ae256) 18.37.38 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821347f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-151605d880089467) 18.37.46 # cars2: The 'random builds don't work' does have different symptoms though 18.38.03 # The builds which don't work do crash on boot, more or less immediately 18.38.29 # but if JdGordon wants to provide a test build... 18.40.11 # amiconn: that is correct. 18.40.56 # btw my sansa is slow when I've just started it, takes much time to change to a next song when I start playing... 18.41.51 # If a certain build does crash, adding a certain number of 'nop's (which needs to be adjusted by trial and error) helps. Number of necessary 'nop's varies from 0 to 3 18.42.41 # * amiconn thinks he should try to track down the exact spot where this alignment issue hides 18.44.23 Quit Horschti ("Snak 5.3.3 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 18.44.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.46.33 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 18.48.01 # is there some sort of language these players use , or is everything coded in assembly ? 18.48.12 # amiconn: I read about that, but didn't know exactly what it meant. It requires compiling each build, right? If I get my system set up to a point where I can do that, it would be nice. 18.49.11 # Bagder: can you get the revision number next to the date instead of the commit message? and showing on the 4weeks page also please? 18.49.49 # I actually think its really only needed on the 4 weeks page and not the front page 18.49.58 Join asdrubal [0] (n=abc@unaffiliated/asdrubal) 18.50.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.50.45 # cars2: Yes, it does mean that you need to compile 18.51.54 # (or have someone who can do it for you) 18.52.52 Join azdrubal [0] (n=abc@d47-69-131-13.col.wideopenwest.com) 18.53.25 Quit cars2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.53.29 Quit asdrubal (Nick collision from services.) 18.53.33 Nick azdrubal is now known as asdrubal (n=abc@unaffiliated/asdrubal) 18.53.41 Join kikoman23 [0] (n=kikoman2@97-81-96-226.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com) 18.54.21 Join dimap [0] (n=59b25b29@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f92388004006d40c) 18.55.51 Quit dimap (Client Quit) 18.59.28 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.01.15 Quit kikoman23 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 19.01.52 # it seams the generation of rockbox-info.txt is broken... the target string is now empty ! 19.02.18 # this makes rbutil fail to generate a proper voicefile .. :-/ 19.04.25 # Hmm, I can confirm it was broken Saturday morning, so sometime before then... 19.05.15 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-224-142.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.07.48 # Domonoky: Seems to be the change from ARCHOS to MODELNAME in r16149 - the equivalent change wasn't made in mkinfo.pl 19.08.15 # (4 weeks, 5 days ago!) 19.09.06 # :-) longtime... 19.10.30 # Domonoky: Shall I fix, or are you? 19.10.52 # * Domonoky is just compiling with the fix, to see if it helps.. 19.11.01 # but feel free to commit it :-) 19.12.15 # Domonoky: OK, committed. 19.13.05 Join Axio [0] (n=Axio``@alf94-1-81-57-140-233.fbx.proxad.net) 19.14.09 # hey linuxstb, did you see the talk this morning (7am your time or so) about stopping all scrolling lines which would fall in a viewport, but that vp doesnt own the lines? 19.14.32 # * Domonoky likes bugs in rbutil which can be fixed without a new rbutil release .. :-) 19.16.26 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.18.47 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 19.20.02 # JdGordon: Yes. 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From what I've seen I strongy suspect that we have USB signalling quality problems, and I'd like to experiment a bit. 20.31.34 # gevaerts: what player do you have? 20.31.43 # Buschel: Sansa c250 20.32.30 # * moos is wondering if those sansas are v2? http://www.woot.com/ 20.32.58 # then you may ask saratoga. he played around with the core voltage supply. 20.33.00 # some might be, but as they are refurbs, i would guess that most are v1s 20.33.09 # I could tell you for iPods 20.34.31 # OK. I'll ask him. 20.34.33 # scorche: luck depending then :) 20.37.42 # saratoga: if you happen to read the logs, I'd like to know how to change voltages on a sansa c200. Can you help with that ? 20.37.49 # Buschel: so what's the answer on iPods ? ;) 20.38.14 # just a second... 20.39.44 # isn't it a shame that AMD/ATI didn't buy PortalPlayer instead of nVidia ? 20.39.55 # gevaerts: Did you test with the usb tracer? 20.40.24 # I think that if it is voltage, it's most certainly some I/O voltage, not the core voltage 20.40.36 # amiconn: he did - he got no errors with his tracer 20.40.53 # Also, afaik USB signal levels are 5V, so there must be some step-up converter 20.41.07 # iiuc he thinks this is because it acts as a repeater in the middle of the connection, and therefore stepped up the voltage 20.41.07 # GodEater: You'll have to change "pcf50605_write(DCDC1, 0xec);" (=1.2V) in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c to some other value like e.g. 0xed = 1.225V, 0xee = 1.25V, ... 20.41.27 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.41.53 # amiconn: I did some basic tests (maybe more tomorrow). There are two main results : (1) the ehci errors go away with the tracer in between, and (2) we still have incomplete packets some of the time (the old 95-byte problem). Those seem to be the ones that cause reset on read 20.42.24 # At least the first one makes me suspect signalling quality. 20.43.27 # I might be able to get real measurements on that, but then I'll first have to convince the guy who knows the equipment to help me 20.43.57 # Bagder can bribe him with the new source of income to the rockbox fund ;) 20.44.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.45.02 Quit Buschel () 20.45.07 # Buschel: Do you know whether DCUD is used? 20.45.08 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Remote closed the connection) 20.45.39 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF43B5.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.46.11 # too late... 20.46.12 # * amiconn would think that the USB voltage is generated using that 20.46.59 # shouldn't most of the voltage be coming from the host end of the connection (sorry if that's a naive question) ? 20.48.00 # GodEater_: only the write side. That's consistent with what I see here : writes generate much less dmesg output (noearly none) than reads 20.48.18 # curious that I saw the opposite then =/ 20.48.34 # I can't test again right now though 20.48.58 # * gevaerts remembers reading something about host vs device power in the iMX31 spec, and goes to check 20.48.59 # so it's possible I didn't exercise the read function as much 20.51.47 Join iamben [0] (n=ben@adsl-71-153-45-69.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) 20.52.17 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@pD955DFC5.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.52.33 # gevaerts: If the DCUD converter of the pcf50650 is actually the one providing USB power, and it's not enabled, output voltage would most probably be equal to input voltage 20.52.47 # So USB signal quality would depend on charging state of the battery 20.53.00 # I also have a trace of windows communicating with the OF, with the SD slot empty. I hope I can learn from that how to improve the SCSI part 20.53.08 # amiconn: that makes sense 20.53.14 # (and on power draw, ie a spinnding harddrive ? ) 20.53.26 # Not by much 20.53.47 # gevaerts: Would it be interesting to test with a nearly empty vs. fully charged battery? 20.55.49 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@c-71-236-163-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 20.55.50 # amiconn: possibly, but the results would have to be pretty repeatable IMO for them to make sense, so this might take some time 21.00.55 Quit midgey () 21.02.17 Join Evilnick__ [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-215-64.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.02.18 Nick Evilnick__ is now known as Evilnick (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-215-64.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.02.36 # gevaerts, thanks for working on the USB support 21.03.00 # I have a sansa e280 and bought an 8GB microsdhc card today 21.03.19 # but it doesn't show up under linux if I connect my player 21.03.37 # is there any way I can help getting it to work? 21.04.30 # make sure you have multiple lun support in kernel 21.05.08 # gonna check 21.05.16 # CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y - you should have it in kernel config 21.06.10 Join Teddy__ [0] (n=Teddy@rrcs-24-97-196-2.nys.biz.rr.com) 21.06.23 # codesquid: if you're running an official build it won't work yet. There are still too many reliability issues to enable it by default 21.06.37 # codesquid, what sansa firmware do you have? 21.06.54 # gevaerts, I have compiled it with enabled usb support 21.07.09 # desowin, that option wasn't set, I'll recompile the kernel 21.07.53 # How good is .ogg support for 2g ipods? 21.08.00 # advcomp2019, the most recent that was available mid december from the sandisk website 21.08.11 # codesquid: ok. I didn't really see if you could not see the SD card or nothing at all. The lun option is the problem then. 21.09.02 # great 21.09.28 # another issue: Under Windows it takes a long time after connecting the player till the drives show up in explorer 21.09.38 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 21.09.46 # 30 seconds or more while explorer is completely frozen during that time 21.11.10 # codesquid: known issue. We don't implement all commands that windows expects properly yet. 21.11.17 # ok 21.11.33 # other than that it appears to be working ok so far 21.11.36 # keep up the great work 21.12.27 # hmmmrrrmmmm 21.13.52 # If it really is usb voltage, then there's some more RE due 21.15.36 # desowin, thanks for the hint, with CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN it works 21.15.46 Join Domonoky_ [0] (n=Domonoky@92.227.89.31) 21.15.48 # What's the fastest way to drain the battery ? backlight on, brighness at maximum and playing an mp3 ? 21.16.19 # 100% cpu usage would help too, try doom ;) 21.16.41 # gevaerts: play some APE 21.16.49 # and manually boost the cpu 21.17.41 # rasher: Now that's a hell of a battery drainer right there. :) 21.18.03 # * gevaerts sets the brightness higher, and immediately goes blind 21.19.00 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.19.13 # That _is_ bright. I now see why people want a flashlight plugin 21.19.21 Quit Evilnick_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.20.02 Join Munkie [0] (i=Munkie@c7-211-1.ctn.dial-up.net) 21.20.09 # gevaerts: don't forget the buttonlights (just saying because I have them turned off most of the time) 21.20.11 # now add the insanely bright blue ring on the e200 series and it's even brigher 21.20.21 # dunno if c200 has buttonlights too 21.20.29 # rasher: On PP you don't need to boost manually when playing APE. It can't cope even when 100% boosted 21.21.20 # codesquid: It does. It's even split, for more interesting buttonlight effects ;) 21.21.49 Quit ol_schoola () 21.21.52 # lol 21.22.15 # * gevaerts goes to read the manual. This Settings menu is confusing 21.23.09 # amiconn: yeah, that was just to be on the safe side 21.23.26 # The big center button has a LED, and the menu button has another one. Both are individually controllable (i.e. the hardware allows it, rockbox doesn't offer separate settings as that would be overkill...) 21.24.11 # gevaerts: the buttonlight setting is in general settings > system > button light timeout 21.24.19 # Why does "Button light timeout" --> off mean no button light ? Isn't that reversed ? (or am I being too litteral ?) 21.24.25 # * gevaerts found it 21.24.36 # Man that wheel is so bright 21.24.52 # gevaerts: yeah, just thought the same 21.25.13 # Maybe just call it "Button light" ? 21.25.49 # Reminds me of one futurama intro gag: "Touch Eyeballs to Screen for Cheap Laser Surgery" 21.26.19 # * gevaerts now has a high-energy plasma with music in the background 21.26.26 # I agree, the backlight setting isn't called "Backlight Timeout"... 21.27.12 # * gevaerts votes to change it 21.28.52 # btw has anyone ever suggested porting a shell like bash to rockbox? 21.29.06 # what would be its purpose? 21.29.15 # running my playlist generating scripts :P 21.29.37 # well, rockbox isnt linux, so there would be quite a bit to implement/change... 21.29.44 # codesquid: go ahead ;-) 21.30.17 # unfortunately I have already have my own FLOSS project to take care of :( 21.31.12 # * gevaerts would recommend a scripting language that wasn't designed for interactive use 21.31.41 # i was just wondering, would a feature like being able to completely switch your screen off be useful? like a kind of screensaver. it would help to increase the battery life. 21.31.42 # a C++ interpreter would be perfect for that ;) 21.32.49 Quit Teddy__ (Connection timed out) 21.33.03 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m135.net81-66-75.noos.fr) 21.33.05 # I was thinking more about python, lua or (why not ?) postscript 21.33.30 # postscripts? no thanks ;) 21.33.37 # -s 21.34.00 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.12 # Why not ? It's ascii and interpreted (and therefore a scripting language), and it is definitely not designed for interactive use 21.34.54 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.54 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.34.55 # I don't know anyone manually writing postscript scripts 21.35.06 # And we could implement usb printing as a bonus :-) 21.35.18 # I like that idea 21.36.16 # anyhow, lua seems to be a quite simple language 21.36.45 # codesquid : http://www.pugo.org/main/project_pshttpd/ 21.37.28 # * gevaerts thinks it's time to get back on topic 21.37.57 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.38.22 # is there one language that does not have a webserver written in it? 21.38.55 # Munkie: On targets where the screen is unreadable without backlight *and* where we know how to do it, the display is switched off completely when the backlight is off 21.39.09 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 21.39.37 # On targets where the screen stays readable, doing that doesn't make sense 21.40.09 # i hosed a printer at work for a few hours once when i sent a mandelbrot postscript to it :) 21.40.25 # That said, LCDs don't need much power for themselves. The backlight is what sucks power... 21.41.26 # ender`, the community printer in my flat frequently hangs due to people sending too large scripts to it :( 21.41.37 # that one wasn't large 21.41.55 # different size, same problem 21.42.16 # it just took a while to render :) 21.42.25 # (ghostscript needed about a minute on my computer) 21.42.34 # oh ok. im just trying to have some input into the rockbox system. thanks for answering my question 21.42.54 # * scorche|sh shoves a few people into #rockbox-community 21.43.24 # Munkie, there's an option to turn off the screen as soon as you enable the hold switch 21.43.55 # oh really? i only saw the option to turn off the backlight when you enable the hold switch. 21.44.41 # hmm see amiconn's reply ;) 21.45.54 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 21.45.56 Quit asdrubal (Remote closed the connection) 21.46.33 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 21.47.52 Quit Munkie () 21.54.04 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-201-212.net.novis.pt) 21.54.23 # hello RB people :-) 21.55.07 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 21.55.09 # I would like to know If USB sofware in RB just work in Portalplayer, why? Is there any specific hardware in Portalplayer? 21.56.26 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-245-156.dsl.telepac.pt) 21.57.12 # Yes and no. Portalplayer chips have a USB controller from ARC (they have some other name now). The iMX31 chips have the same controller, and should be able to use the same driver. 21.58.41 # ah, okok... so USB software in RB is much dependent of hardware? :-( 21.58.41 # You basically can't do USB without some kind of dedicated hardware, be it a usb-ata bridge or a device-side or OTG controller 21.59.50 # okok... I wish good work to the guys that are working on USB, on PP :-) 22.00.06 # It's partly dependent. There is the controller driver (in usb-drv-pp502x.c) that is hardware-specific, and there are the higher-level drivers (usb-core.c, usb-storage.c and usb-serial.c) that should be hardware-agnostic 22.00.55 # What chipset were you looking at ? Maybe it does have a controller or has a variant that does. 22.01.42 # I was thinking in AT91SAM9260, from Atmel... 22.01.51 # * gevaerts googles 22.02.00 # for this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerPrototype 22.03.05 # so I know now that in future we just need to do the usb-drv-AT90SAMx.c :-) 22.04.53 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.07.24 Join Teddy__ [0] (n=Teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 22.07.32 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b4pre/2008022504]") 22.07.49 # usb-drv-pp502x.c is about 800 lines of code, half of which are register definitions and structure declarations. If you have documentation it shouldn't be too hard to write something equivalent, although at first sight toe AT91SAM9260's usb device controller looks a bit more low-level to me 22.08.33 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.08.47 # okok, It's nice to know that is possible :-) 22.09.01 # thanks :-) 22.09.21 # The documentation mentions both device and host side high-speed controllers, so you should be fine 22.13.58 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 22.14.21 # How well does rockbox work with a 2nd gen mini in terms of ogg support? 22.14.33 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@029-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 22.14.53 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87.194.34.169) 22.14.58 # Teddy__: Fine 22.16.02 Nick Teddy__ is now known as teddybear (n=Teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 22.18.33 # amiconn/gevaerts - any thing I can do to help debug my usb full speed connection woes on XP? I saw the discussion on how high speed works best when not connected to a hub, and I agree my symptoms look similar, but a) I'm full speed not highspeed and b) I'm connecting to the only ports my laptop has 22.19.04 Nick teddybear is now known as ursabear (n=Teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 22.19.16 # a new datapoint : if I plug my ipod into my laptop when my laptop is turned off, then turn on my laptop, it seems rockbox doesn't realise/notice that usb is connected at all. 22.19.53 # (no usb screen - although I see the soft disc icon in the corner; not sure how to interpret that) 22.20.32 # stripwax: I would guess that these issues are not really high-speed specific, but more noticeable than at full speed 22.20.51 # That makes sense 22.20.56 # stripwax: does the laptop see the ipod ? 22.21.34 # gevaerts - hard to tell - the problem seems to still be that it doesn't see it properly and certainly doesn't assign a drive letter 22.21.34 # stripwax, that happens on my sansa all the time, about 30% of the time I plug it in no USB screen appears, yet the USB connection itself gets established fine 22.22.16 # and when I safely remove, I always get a data abort on rockbox 22.22.57 # (after the "safely remove hardware" applet has stopped hanging, that is). OF works fine so pretty certain it's not directly a problem with Windows or the ipod 22.23.02 # stripwax: in current svn the USB screen is triggered by the host OS starting enumeration within a certain time after connection. This is not too reliable. I'm working on fixing that, but unfortunately then I got high-speed to work so I got sidetracked 22.24.11 # Another datapoint - I do have the ipodservice installed on my pc (a "feature" of iTunes, although I have no idea what the service does, nor do I use iTunes) - reckon that could be related? 22.24.20 # stripwax: You're on windows ? Then we have to take the various windows-related issues into account. that maes it even harder to know what happens. Anyway I'm working on fixing these windows issues as well 22.24.43 # I don't know what that does either 22.24.45 # I see the ipodservice has logged a message in the windows eventlog (although ipodservice logs unhelpful have zero useful content) 22.25.09 # gevaerts: good luck and good work on USB :-) :-) - may the Box be with you :-) :-) 22.25.20 # Thanks 22.25.33 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007100814]") 22.25.55 # Are the "windows-related issues" various known usb spec 'deviations' or something I could help debug? 22.26.12 # stripwax: like most windows logs ? It probably wants to complain about an ipod without all expected ipod functionality 22.26.18 Quit japc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.26.45 # gevaerts - nah, the ipodservice doesn't register a message .dll properly, so you just get a message in the log saying "The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( iPod Service ) cannot be found." 22.27.25 # Then again, I think it's just the service starting up at laptop boot time, rather than any ipod-connection message 22.27.30 # The windows-related issues are actually SCSI completeness/correctness issues. Windows just does more different things than linux, and doesn't handle bad responses as well. 22.27.51 # what is the currently intended behaviour on USB plug-in and holding select? 22.27.54 # amiconn - you're having success on Windows? 22.28.38 # gevaerts - anything I could do to track down / debug the data abort I get on unmounting? 22.28.54 # bertrik: intended : no storage, only a "charging only" configuration that requests 500 mA. Actual : it starts mass storage anyway, which makes it dangerous 22.29.38 # ok. If I plug it in without holding select, my e200 reboots 22.30.45 # stripwax: maybe. I seem to remember that Data Abort gives something that looks like an address. Maybe you can find (using objdump --syms) what data structure is involved ? (otoh, it might be an instruction address as well. I really don't know) 22.31.10 # lookup the data abort adress in the map file... 22.31.27 # bertrik: Do you have a recent build with USB enabled ? That shouldn't reboot... 22.31.39 # * bertrik is building 22.32.10 # Domonoky_: map file only contains non-statics IIRC, I prefer objdump on the .elf file for that reason 22.32.39 # Just seen that Win does detect the usb device, reports it as a compatible USB storage device, at location 0 (Rockbox media player) - which sounds promising - but seems to have made no attempt to assign a drive letter or otherwise mount 22.33.07 Quit ursabear ("Leaving") 22.33.28 # Although choosing to remove it prompts that it will remove a generic volume which *does* have a drive letter assigned (even though it doesn't seem to be visible). Which is confusing to say the least 22.34.22 # sometimes, when messing with USB devices on windows, it helps to clear the device entry in the registry 22.34.31 # safely removed -> usb screen still there. removed cable, no data abort this time. very odd. maybe a timing thing. will see if it's reprocible 22.35.01 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 22.35.11 # * gevaerts decides high speed works well enough for now, and goes back to infrastructure and SCSI work 22.35.16 # bertrik - hm, good point. maybe it's confused due to prior knowledge of itunes connectivity 22.35.57 # HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\USB\Vid_0781&Pid_7421 <- remove that entry, you may have to set registry write permission for yourself first 22.37.23 # I've found OF USB modes that behave differently on different windows PCs at work 22.37.29 # some get assigned drive letters, some don't. 22.37.36 Quit nicktastic ("Leaving") 22.37.43 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 22.37.44 # Do you see the device appear in disk manager at all stripwax ? 22.37.55 # that'll show devices without drive letters too usually 22.38.33 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 22.39.29 # hmmm, my e200 reboots every time I plug usb in and not holding select 22.40.59 # GodEater - oh, good call. Yes, I do see it, and it even appears to think it's assigned a drive letter. Although it doesn't seem to be one I can actually browse to. 22.41.00 # bertrik: with USE_ROCKBOX_USB defined ? 22.41.25 # oh I thought that was no longer needed 22.41.36 # stripwax: can you change the drive letter assignment? 22.41.40 # you can usually do that too 22.42.49 # bertrik: no, it's still needed, although now you also ave USE_HIGH_SPEED to play with. Be careful with that one though, the sansa flash driver seems to have a bug that gets exposed by writing over USB, especially high speed 22.43.16 # ok, rebuilding now... 22.43.17 # It does let me do that, but it still doesn't appear to help (changing letter -> Explorer hangs) 22.43.30 # stripwax: thought of getting a real OS? ;) 22.43.38 # ha 22.43.59 # is your build with just the fullspeed code ? 22.44.02 # or both? 22.44.27 # Ah, in the event logs : "An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation" 22.44.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.44.50 Quit Axio (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.44.51 # your windows setup tries to keep the page file across all devices ? 22.45.05 # Oh. And windows has come back to life and assigned a drive letter now. I shouldn't need to change drive letter to make this work but it seems it has, in the end.. 22.45.32 # GodEater - I don't think that's what the message means but happy to accept I am wrong 22.45.40 # easy to find out 22.45.47 # check your page file settings 22.45.54 # if it's one drive only then I'm wrong wrong wrong 22.46.07 # GodEater_: windows accesses some devices by mapping (parts of them) in memory. if a read/write fails you get such a paging error 22.46.27 # * GodEater_ grabs the dunce's hat and heads for the corner 22.46.33 # GodEater - just one 22.46.37 # you can get paging errors when accessing bad floppies too 22.46.54 # * gevaerts once told linux to swap to a floppy 22.46.54 # is there a way to prevent that sort of access ? 22.47.04 # gevaerts: why in the name of god? 22.47.22 # GodEater: easy. To see what would happen when I ejected it. 22.47.27 # hahaha 22.47.29 # and ? 22.47.43 # It crashed of course 22.47.51 # * stripwax tries changing the drive letter back to the original and waits for carnage to ensure 22.49.26 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 22.49.40 # * gevaerts adds that he did this ten years ago. He would never do such things now of course 22.50.19 # * hcs just committed an ADX decoding fix and is waiting to see what breaks 22.50.22 # Hm, that worked too. I wonder if my system is now in a state where my original problem is no longer reproducible (sigh) 22.50.49 # gevaerts - it works! and I'm still none the wiser! 22.51.03 # stripwax: reboot! 22.51.10 # that's bound to upset things again 22.51.33 # stripwax: unfortunately, that sort of unpredictability is somehow expected... 22.51.35 # I'll try (re)disconnecting and see what happens. Hey, I might even get that data abort that i didn't get last time 22.52.00 # stripwax: on a different note, you up for a beer with me and linuxstb again sometime soon ? 22.52.19 # GodEater - always 22.52.48 # we tried getting pondlife interested, but he appears to have a much busier schedule for someone who lives in the middle of nowhere than you'd expect :) 22.54.10 # I bet he just pretends ;-) 22.54.16 # blah warnings 22.54.28 # Bagder: you're probably right. He just doesn't want to arm wrestle again. 22.54.32 # heh 22.54.47 # hahaha 22.55.22 # Usb detection: fast; drive letter assignment: slow slow slow. and consistently seems to not quite work without manually changing drive letter 22.55.40 Quit Neskaya (Success) 22.56.04 # Still no data aborts however (updated build since I last got them so maybe something resolved itself in the interim) 22.56.12 # are any of you windows chaps on the MSDN subscribers lists ? 22.56.17 # * stripwax is 22.56.31 # are there still "Debug" builds of windows on them ? 22.56.43 # hi 22.56.46 # stripwax: can you change usb_storage.c to force inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier to 0 in identify2inquiry() ? 22.56.59 # GodEater - good question. no idea but I can quickly (ish) check.. 22.57.33 # I vaguely recall back when I worked for a windows vendor that the geeks used those to debug hardware issues such as these 22.58.02 # this was like 10 years ago now mind you 22.58.08 Join LycoLoco [0] (n=Lyco@70.150.60.3) 22.58.09 # GodEater_: they still exist as of XP. Not sure about vista, but I think so 22.58.14 # gevaerts - sure. 22.58.25 # hey guys - if every time I boot my gigabeat it shows "Committing database [1/9]" what can I do to fix that? I don't really use the database that often, so if I have to nuke it, that's fine 22.58.43 # * gevaerts won't admit to using windows at work these days 22.59.27 # I only use it when I have no other choice 22.59.36 Quit desowin () 23.00.10 Quit keanu|afk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.00.37 # amiconn: if I understand correctly, the mini contains a CFII microdrive, so it is not really out of spec to report 0x848A (which is standard CF signature value) 23.00.54 # LycoLoco - every time or only when you've added new files? btw you can delete the database files (to turn off the database) - or disable the database automatic update 23.00.58 # every time 23.01.13 Quit GodEater_ ("snooooooore") 23.01.14 # I"ve tried initializing the database again, but can't seem to get it to reset 23.01.27 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-245-156.dsl.telepac.pt) 23.01.33 # LycoLoco - what do you mean by "reset" by the way? 23.01.43 # which files am I looking to delete if I wanna nuke the database entirely? 23.01.54 # well, reset meaning get rid of the message 23.02.10 # it never shows 2/9 or increments, it's always 1/9 23.02.10 # .rockbox/database.*.something 23.02.26 Join abescully [0] (n=abrahm@wsip-24-249-16-235.hr.hr.cox.net) 23.02.53 # 8.tcd 23.02.57 # s/8/* 23.03.13 # LycoLoco - it is slow - it may well get there 'eventually' 23.03.16 Join keanu|afk [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 23.03.17 # hmm, that might explain it 23.03.33 # LycoLoco: To be less confusing, you want to delete *.tcd in /.rockbox to remove the database files 23.03.33 # stripwax: nah, every time it shows that and then about 10 seconds later loads up and plays music 23.03.39 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.48 # it's not debilitating, it's just annoying, luckily 23.03.56 # There we go, clean as a whistle. 23.04.10 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 23.04.13 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 23.04.20 # apparently the only file is database_tmp.tcd 23.04.40 # kill that then :) 23.04.57 # tryin it now 23.05.02 # LycoLoco: could you send that file to me? 23.05.03 # sweet, that did it 23.05.09 # something is broken with your db 23.05.17 # Slasheri: Too late! 23.05.20 # Slasheri: you asked about 3 seconds too late :( I just emptyed the recycle bin 23.05.27 # lemme initialize the database and see if it does it again 23.05.41 # if it does, please dcc it to me 23.05.53 # i have to go to sleep now but i have autoget on 23.05.58 # * stripwax rebuilds and copies rockbox.ipod *using rockbox usb* for first time - this is awesome 23.06.26 # will do Slasheri 23.06.28 # thanks! 23.06.39 # hahha, nice stripwax :D 23.06.50 # congrats on getting that working on portalplayer devices, team 23.08.06 # I'd like to commit the parts of the latest FS#8562 patch that don't do the actual threading cleanups (because those are pretty intrusive and I'd like some more review on them). They shouldn't change anything functionally. Any objections ? 23.08.33 # thanks Slasheri, stripwax - that seems to have solved the problem entirely. Sorry that I deleted the file before I coudl send it to you for analyzation 23.09.01 # * gevaerts wants to make the final threading cleanup patch as small as possible, so reviewing will be easier 23.09.06 # Old problem of database being initialized when device is empty? 23.09.15 # LycoLoco: then it sounds like you might have a filesystem problem 23.09.25 # please check the disk for errors 23.09.56 # stripwax: I've updated rockbox so often over its own USB now that booting the OF starts to feel unfamiliar 23.10.01 # Slasheri: it's working fine now, database works and doesn't commit every boot (unless music is added or removed) either 23.10.09 # nice 23.10.25 # gevaerts: I have USB mass storage working now without a reboot on plugin, seems to also mount faster than when I last tried it :) 23.10.34 # gevaerts - I was just about to say that it doesn't seem to have worked, but it seems I can access it from cygwin, just not from windows Explorer. odd.. 23.10.51 Quit BitTorment__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.31 # petur: I didn't complain about what the mini's CFII microdrive reports. That value has bit 15 set, as an indicator that it implements ata 23.12.04 # I rather complained about e.g. the MK8007GAH, which has word 0 bit 15 *not* set, although it should 23.12.05 # hmmm I was checking against the CF spec 23.12.24 # yeah - command line has no problem, either cygwin or windows cmd, which is pretty odd - issue is that explorer seems to be unhappy 23.12.39 # gevaerts: Try to let linux swap to a microsd card, and then eject that ;) 23.12.58 Quit Domonoky_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.12.58 Join RoTtE [0] (n=mj1985@ti0011a341-0658.bb.online.no) 23.13.10 # Does rockbox.ipod live in .rockbox or root? I might just be an idiot.. 23.13.24 # In .rockbox, for quite a while now... 23.13.25 # amiconn: I know what it will do now :-) 23.13.36 # amiconn - thought so. 23.13.50 # where can i find ROCKBOX UTILITY ? 23.14.02 # * amiconn made that same mistake too, not very long ago... :\ 23.14.07 # oh, I only copied the new build to root (by mistake) - no wonder I saw no difference just now 23.14.14 # amiconn - :-p 23.14.15 # amiconn: according to CF spec 4.1 it is ok to have bits 15:12 be either 8 or 0 23.14.15 # i found it :D 23.14.54 # petur: Okay, so we can't use bit 15 anyway to distinguish CF <-> ATA 23.15.07 # RoTtE: if you are looking to install rockbox, i highly recommend you look around in the manual 23.15.15 # But still, the MK8007GAH, and the ST660211FX, both violate the ata specs 23.15.32 # amiconn: right now I am thinking of using a value of 0x044A as CF indication 23.15.43 # scorche|sh: i found it. didn't say were it wat 23.15.46 # need more values from other cards 23.15.53 # New feature: pause playback -> usb insertion -> (do stuff) -> unmount -> rockbox "scanning disk" -> rockbox gives "error accessing playlist control file" and is now stopped. 23.16.03 # RoTtE: sure it does 23.16.25 # i know that now :P 23.17.16 # * gevaerts sees no objections to his plans... 23.17.29 # stripwax: For me, rockbox USB works quite well when using fullspeed, on all of my windows XP laptop, my AMD-64 linux desktop, and my USB-equipped Amiga 23.17.51 # It's just highspeed that's giving problems 23.18.31 # (of course not on Amiga as that's fullspeed only anyway) 23.19.01 # amiconn - I suspect my windows explorer drive letter assignment problem and the fact that ipodservice.exe is installed on the laptop are not coinciddental 23.19.07 # my Sansa is not in my computer. i meen it's there but don't have a drive letter. only a music icon :/ 23.19.14 # how can i fix? 23.19.51 # usb mode? 23.19.52 # * amiconn also has that ipodservice installed, but deactivated as he doesn't need it except for special cases 23.20.06 # yeah! whay do i ask :P 23.20.07 # gevaerts - forcing DeviceTypeModifier to 0 seems to have fixed! it still takes an age to detect, but now I get a drive letter in Explorer that works 23.21.13 # f.ck! cant i use Sansa 270 ? 23.21.47 # RoTtE: are you trying to ask something? 23.22.01 # Bagder: yes 23.22.19 # ok, let me know when there's a question coming 23.22.34 # stripwax: I think I may set it that way until all scsi issues are solved. There might be downsides though. Some theories have it that Windows will now start putting recycling bins on it. 23.22.38 # RoTtE: you need to change the mode to MSC mode...see the manual.. 23.23.21 # hello grate ppl! i wonder, can i use my sansa 270? only says 200 in the program. is it only sansa 200 or is it 200 seies? 23.23.27 # gevaerts - hm, really? I know that windows might do that 'anyway' for some devices (seem to remember Windows did that for my H120, but I just told it not to afterwards) 23.23.55 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 23.23.56 # RoTtE: the e200 series include all e2x0 players (v1) 23.24.00 # stripwax: it's not clear how it decides those things. Any info on that is welcome 23.24.37 # Bagder: okay thanks :) trying now 23.25.21 # gevaerts - hm, spoke too soon - another disconnect+reconnect, no drive icon again. cmdline continues to work. odd. 23.26.17 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.26.24 # stripwax: It depends on whether the device reports itself as being an usb harddisk (windows *will put* recycle bin and 'system volume information' onto it), or as a removable device (windows *will not* put said clutter onto it) 23.26.58 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 23.27.31 # amiconn: Are you sure that being removable is the only criterion ? 23.27.33 # amiconn - cool. well it seems that hardcoding to 0 does not fix my issue after all so I don't see an advantage to reporting as a usb harddisk. Would there be any other possible benefits of doing so? 23.28.43 # By the way, while I was making a trace of windows-OF USB communications, I chose "eject" on the SD card, after which the both the internal flash and the SD card were inaccessible. 23.29.43 # gevaerts: I'm quite sure. I know that windows doesn't put mentioned folders even on disk based ipods, while it does so on my irivers and archos player+recorder 23.29.56 # That perfectly coincides with the reported device type 23.31.26 # Registering as usb harddisk may have the advantage that windows might allow to enable write caching on the device, but I wouldn't do that anyway 23.32.22 # * amiconn likes to be able to just pull the plug without fiddling with 'safe removal', 'unmounting' or similar inconvenient stuff 23.32.22 # amiconn: I know ;-) I would enable write caching on a floppy, but that might be me... 23.33.51 # amiconn - with ipodservice disabled I see no difference so you're right, that's just a red herring (sorry) 23.34.51 Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) 23.35.51 Join W3b_6u3st [0] (n=63eef255@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8933a6941510f764) 23.37.13 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.38.00 Quit ender` (" The problem with political jokes is they get elected. -- Henry Cate, VII") 23.38.05 # how do i get cygwin to compile a plugin that i programmed??? 23.38.38 # W3b_6u3st - you've already installed cygwin? 23.38.46 # ya 23.39.03 # and evryhing else incluging rockbox-bleeding 23.39.37 # *including 23.40.10 Quit TMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.09 # amiconn/gevaerts - interesting (perhaps): http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html 23.43.26 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 23.43.50 # W3b_6u3st - so everything is installed and set up according to the guide in the wiki? so you should just be able to configure, make now 23.43.59 # k 23.44.21 Quit bertrik ("bye") 23.44.26 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 23.44.29 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.44.43 Join teddybear [0] (n=teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 23.45.59 # gevaerts: do you know why creating a dir takes a long time? 23.46.00 # Bagder: works grate :D 23.46.20 Quit teddybear (Client Quit) 23.46.21 # Nico_P: no idea 23.46.37 Join teddybear [0] (n=teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 23.46.37 # * amiconn knows usb drive letter manager 23.46.40 # gevaerts: of course I mean over your USB code 23.46.44 Nick teddybear is now known as identity (n=teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 23.46.48 # * gevaerts guessed that 23.46.52 # :) 23.47.16 # I've been using it a bit, and apart from that it's really nice 23.47.29 # stripwax: I'm reading his troubleshooting page. There's a nice interpretation of "unique to each USB Vendor ID and Product ID pair" mentionned there 23.48.19 # gevaerts - yeo 23.48.20 # yep 23.48.37 # gevaerts: Yellow... 23.48.45 # stripwax, would you be willing to help compile one for me? 23.48.57 # Labyrince - compile one what? 23.49.22 # erm, im one of the ipod mini users with a cf card 23.49.40 # i tried cgyiwin but for some reason it doesnt reconize the svn command 23.50.03 Join NEF|Twitchr [0] (n=Noob2poi@adsl-68-74-104-66.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) 23.50.35 # Labyrince - um, did you install svn? 23.50.44 # ... 23.50.47 # lol 23.50.54 Quit abescully ("Leaving") 23.51.09 # thanks stripwax 23.51.16 # Hey, i need to convert some .wmvs to .mpegs to play in rockbox, anyone know good software? 23.51.42 # :) 23.51.52 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.51.54 # do you want a torrent or do you want something free? 23.52.01 # either would be nice 23.52.16 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.52.53 Quit keanu|afk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.53.01 # this one seems pretty popular http://www.mininova.org/tor/440045 23.53.26 # ty man, u r my hero 23.53.53 # np 23.54.02 # NEF|Twitchr: please use real english in here.. 23.54.13 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.54.13 # im sorry 23.54.16 Quit Zarggg_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.54.30 # amiconn: 8644 is a first proposal to make CF cards work... It would be interesting to collect more (all) device_info from all our devices, I'll try to run it on as many CF cards I can find :) 23.54.47 # Labyrince: did you read item 6 on the IrcGuidelines page ? 23.55.06 # no sorry 23.55.13 Join keanu|afk [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 23.55.37 # Labyrince: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines 23.56.49 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 23.57.06 # Labyrince: really...do NOT encourage copyright infringement in this channel...that is one of the worse rules of this channel that you can break.. 23.57.12 Nick identity is now known as tilda (n=teddy@cpe-66-67-132-12.rochester.res.rr.com) 23.57.30 # sorry 23.57.43 # I have a quick question. Does anyone know if the toshiba gigabeat f20 can play .mpegs with rockbox on it? 23.58.11 # NEF|Twitchr: mpeg1 and mpeg2....see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer 23.58.16 # Any chance Windows is putting up a fight because the device name is now "TOSHIBA MK6008GAH USB Device" rather than "Apple iPod USB Device" 23.58.33 # alright, thanks alot guys, appreciate it. Rockbox pwns 23.58.35 Part NEF|Twitchr 23.58.50 # it did the same thing with my transcend CT card 23.58.52 # CF 23.58.56 Join bospaadje [0] (n=bospaadj@ip82-139-84-56.lijbrandt.net)