--- Log for 06.03.108 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.46 Quit Lukstr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.02.52 Join Lukstr_ [0] (n=Lukstr@206-248-157-113.dsl.teksavvy.com) 00.03.08 # Soap_: did you find some time to look into these voltage measurements we talked about a few days ago ? 00.03.10 Nick Lukstr_ is now known as Lukstr (n=Lukstr@206-248-157-113.dsl.teksavvy.com) 00.04.16 # I'm out of town - but willing to do it - but will need guidance on where to probe and under what conditions. 00.04.40 # We had only talked about the idea, not the implementation If I Recall Correctly. 00.05.27 # Indeed. I believe you said you were going to see if it was at all possible first 00.06.14 Quit ComposerDude (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.20 # Things like being able to run it while being open with the PCB accessible 00.07.31 Quit MethoS- ("Konversation terminated!") 00.07.52 # yea - I need to do that - I picked up the Fluke last night. 00.09.10 Quit Soap_ () 00.12.05 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 00.13.16 Quit tchan (Connection timed out) 00.13.37 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-242-163.dsl.telepac.pt) 00.13.59 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.15.02 # * Bagder modified the front page 00.15.20 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.15.22 # and now bedtime! 00.15.44 # Good idea 00.15.55 Quit gevaerts ("Bagder is right") 00.17.41 Part TheBashar 00.22.16 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.24.04 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 00.24.27 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=root@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 00.28.55 Quit roolku () 00.34.47 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.39 # anyone (gevaerts?) know what the difference is between an ipod set to "enable disk use" and an ipod not set to "enable disk use" in iTunes, at the USB level? 00.37.58 # [00:16] <-- gevaerts has left this server ("Bagder is right"). 00.38.19 # so he has. anyone else happen to know? 00.38.36 # no ipoo here 00.39.39 # sorry? 00.39.54 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.40.21 # can't help you, I'm no ipod user 00.40.43 # stripwax; All I know is that there is an "ipodcontrol.exe" service running, which is some way intereferes with the ipod's normal UMS behaviour. (on Windows, presumably something comparable on OS X) 00.40.55 # Or maybe ipodservice.exe 00.41.40 # So I think it's more a WIndows thing than USB thing. 00.42.22 Join SoapHotel [0] (n=42c07542@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-805833623fa9341c) 00.42.55 # linuxstb - oh, ugly. thanks 00.44.07 Part Lukstr ("Leaving") 00.46.28 # stripwax: Any reason you asked? 00.48.50 # linuxstb - not really. Was looking at the SoC list, read about the MTP suggestion, and then wondered how itunes prevents the disk showing up if it's using UMS under the hood. 00.50.02 # 'not' enabling disk use also seems to remove the need to 'safely remove hardware' from Windows before removal. 00.50.18 # there are some folk around who know more specifics, i think...there is a person in #gsoc who has been working on itunes compatibility with wine who might know more...not sure 00.51.34 # ta 00.54.13 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 00.55.09 # I very much doubt itunes still thinks a Rockbox'd ipod is an ipod (with our native UMS stack) 00.56.12 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.57.05 Quit Nevtus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.57.26 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 00.57.31 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-753b22559bd6b7b3) 00.58.59 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.59.19 # * stripwax agrees 01.00.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet17.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 01.08.28 # * linuxstb_ doesn't understand how "support for syncing with itunes" can be implemented in Rockbox, apart from converting the itunesdb to Rockbox format, which can already be done 01.09.56 # Well, handling any steps we'd have to do to convince iTunes we are an iPod, right? 01.10.12 # Yes, but then what? 01.10.20 # I'd imagine that's it. 01.10.44 # * stripwax places bets 01.10.48 # Sorry, I just wandered into the discussion. 01.10.51 # All that means is that itunes continues to update it's own database, obfuscate the filenames, and Rockbox continues to ignore it 01.11.07 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 01.11.20 # I'm talking about the project idea on the SoC page 01.12.09 # Ah yes 01.12.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.17 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.12.23 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.12.51 # Might want to clarify that we have no interest in natively reading the iTunes database files instead of our own, and that it would really just be a matter of getting iTunes to recognize iPods (or any software USB device) as an iPod. 01.13.34 # But is that really a SoC project? 01.13.58 # Even if we did want Rockbox to mimic the Apple firmware (which I'm not convinced we do) 01.14.02 # I don't think "iTunes support" is by any stretch. 01.14.18 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.50 # MTP support seems like it could be an SoC project. 01.15.04 # Yes, I agree with that. 01.15.24 # So no objection if I remove references to itunes from that proposal? 01.15.31 # None at all by me 01.17.41 # If I'm reading the history of that page correctly, saratoga added it... 01.21.42 Quit mchua (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.27.29 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.30.01 # linuxstb_: I was thinking of convincing itunes that rockbox is an ipod, and then updating the iTunes database where appropriate (play counts, playlists, etc) 01.30.20 # How would that updating happen (and when?) 01.30.47 # I don't think I would like to see support for the itunesdb in the core Rockbox 01.30.58 # presumably we could sync the itunes database on USB insert and disconnect 01.31.17 # it should be a fairly quick operation i'd think 01.31.46 # So just taking the runtime data and sharing it between the two? 01.32.16 # well that and tricking itunes into syncing rockbox in the first place 01.32.34 # Yeah 01.32.38 # which presumably would involve some USB trickery, particularly if you wanted it to work with a non-apple player 01.32.39 # The user can simply boot into the Apple firmware if he/she wants to sync with itunes though. 01.33.10 # linuxstb_: We could add an option in the menus to use emergency disk mode instead of Rockbox USB even. 01.33.46 # i'm mostly just thinking about syncing playlists, playcounts, album art, etc with various media players 01.34.25 Part toffe82 01.34.29 # i don't have any particular interest in itunes per se 01.34.37 # I just don't think itunes support can be added in a clean way. The itunesdb is also a moving target - so someone will keep needing to fix it when Apple release new versions of itunes... 01.34.38 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=768a984c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36663dc1b30f8b51) 01.34.39 # I'd stick with keeping the focus on MTP then. 01.35.05 # As far as "iTunes Support" goes, I don't think we really need to do any more than we do now. 01.35.16 # We couldn't do any less... ;) 01.35.24 # linuxstb_: its a moving target for new ipods, but old ones still work 01.35.41 # so theres still support for Ipod 1G databases in there somewhere 01.36.02 # which presumably has been static since 2003 when Apple stopped updating the 1G firmware 01.36.23 # Yes, there is that - we're now only supporting "obsolete" ipods... 01.37.44 # Maybe split the proposal into two distinct projects then - MTP support and "integration with itunes" 01.38.09 Nick JdGordon| is now known as JdGordon|uni (i=768a984c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36663dc1b30f8b51) 01.38.41 # if you want to edit it, feel free 01.38.58 # i was mostly just thinking that iTunes support alone probably wasn't enough to warrent a summer's worth of work 01.40.03 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 01.40.34 # jhMikeS: whats the mpegplayer problem? 01.40.48 # * stripwax adds cobra mk3 vertices to cube.rock 01.40.56 # It's not an mpegplayer problem - it's a general problem with colours in lists in plugins - they don't work... 01.41.26 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 01.41.40 # i'm mostly just thinking about syncing playlists, playcounts, album art, etc with various media players 01.42.12 # 1 - Isn't iTunes album art embedded? 2 - Aren't iTunes smart playlists scripts which get executed on the iPod? 01.42.23 # No and No (IIUC) 01.42.37 # * JdGordon|uni sees colour in the lists 01.42.50 # According to jhMikeS they're not the right colours... 01.42.53 # SoapHotel: I think that for #2, they're scripts executed by iTunes when syncing. The "smart" playlist is actually static until next sync, afaik 01.43.11 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.43.23 # Yes, that's my understanding (from what I've read/been told) 01.43.27 # SoapHotel: for number 1, itunes extracts it out of the tags when syncing iirc 01.44.24 # Yes, I think there's an album-art database storing uncompressed pre-scaled bitmaps. 01.44.27 # That's what I get for never using iTunes, but from what people had said (raved) about iTunes you could make a smart playlist "Songs from 1996 I haven't heard in six months" and it would be good forever. Really not all that impressive if it is nothing more than a static playlist which only gets updated on sync. 01.44.56 # you don't have to tab-complete me as SoapHotel - Soap is fine. 01.44.58 # Everything i've heard suggests they're only smart on sync. 01.45.08 # I am too lazy to make playlists. 01.45.13 # Which basically puts our database a step ahead of their smart playlists 01.45.26 # SoapHotel: this is 2 keystrokes... Soap is 4 01.45.35 # plus colon 01.45.36 # Apart from the lack of UI to create them... 01.45.37 Join about_blank [0] (i=db6afe1e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2580dbfc9f07173a) 01.45.45 # True 01.45.51 # smart playlists work on the PC too though right? 01.45.57 # thats probably worth something to a lot of people 01.46.25 # i have heard smart playlists as an often asked question when introducing itunes power users to rockbox 01.46.30 # Yes, lots of things work in itunes, but are only partially (or not at all) supported on the ipod. Crossfade for example. 01.46.36 # that wouldnt be a bad SoC project... 01.46.53 # ogg vorbis, even/ 01.47.01 # Improved playlisting and database support might be nice. 01.47.10 # * scorche|sh nods 01.47.22 # For example, being able to define "smart playlists" within tagnavi that are like, "the 100 songs I haven't heard in the longest time". Specific numbers of songs, basically 01.47.34 # And, folders and EXTM3U data in .m3u files 01.47.35 # * linuxstb_ just wants some students who have a clue, and doesn't care what they do 01.47.43 # * Llorean will settle for that. :) 01.48.00 # Well, I do care slightly 01.48.08 # I want it to be something we'd actually like to commit when it's done. :) 01.48.12 # Llorean: want to add that to the wiki then? ;) 01.48.13 # about students, are we going to try and advertise any? 01.48.34 # i was thinking of posting to some mailing lists and such at universities where i know people 01.48.50 # scorche|sh: I'll try to remember to do it when I can put together an actual "project"-scope description of it. 01.48.53 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.49.13 # saratoga: well, i am doing it in a non-annoying way in #gsoc when a suitable student asks about projects with certain interests which are applicable 01.49.38 Quit about_blank (Client Quit) 01.50.26 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.50.35 # We should replace the Rockbox splash logo with an SoC advert... 01.50.51 Join about_blank [0] (i=db6afe1e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-500e9c616173848f) 01.52.02 # upon announcment of us being accepted, maybe... 01.52.04 # linuxstb_: i like that 01.52.09 # * scorche|sh adds an e 01.54.05 # would adding a container interface to rockbox be a good project? 01.54.20 # i've been wondering about supporting things like mp3 in MP4 container and MKA 01.55.30 # Is that actually useful? I can see that it's nice in theory, but is it worth the complication? (and does anyone actually do that kind of thing?) 01.55.59 # * linuxstb_ doesn't want to end up with ffmpeg... 01.56.15 # eventually we might want that for mpegplayer 01.57.22 # There's a couple ideas for SoC 01.57.29 # Expanding jpegviewer into "imageviewer" 01.57.39 # And expanding mpegplayer to supporting one, or more, added codecs. 01.57.56 # Not really - mpegplayer need the audio/video codecs optimised together (sharing IRAM for example), I can't see how you can split them and use arbitrary combinations of codecs. 01.59.12 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.59.22 # I think in the long term iram sharing isn't going to matter too much since either we'll have so much we don't care (AMS chips) or fast enough caching we don't need it 02.01.26 Quit Nevtus ("Gone") 02.02.16 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.02.56 # Maybe, but we haven't reached that stage yet - the vast majority of current targets are still very limited. 02.03.58 # true but the vast majority of targets are always going to be MPEG2 only 02.04.09 Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus) 02.04.26 # H.264 is probably always going to be reserved for the Gigabeats and DSP chips on the Zen or whatever 02.04.38 # assuming we get it implemented at all 02.05.00 # that reminds me, does the Zen or D2 use IRAM? 02.05.06 # There's still MPEG-4 02.05.16 # Or rather ASP 02.10.37 Quit about_blank ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.15.52 Part linuxstb_ ("Leaving") 02.19.28 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.34.13 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.42.50 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.49.13 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@cpe-76-173-115-95.socal.res.rr.com) 02.56.51 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-71-203-172-58.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 02.57.29 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.51 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-138-17-182.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 03.07.43 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 03.07.59 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.12.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.15.50 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.18.43 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.19.19 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.20.10 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=768a983a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1541b061c189c2c5) 03.25.12 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.25.15 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.25.25 Quit SoapHotel ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.26.24 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.26.28 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.26.59 Quit sbhsu ("leaving") 03.27.19 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 03.28.00 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-acf03447025e74cc) 03.30.44 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.31.29 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.31.39 # I was talking with my friend and our discussions turned to czech (and he is a nttive speaker of czech.) Because of the topic of conversation, I said "Ano" (yes in czech, I learned that through czech.lang). He said that was slovak and the word for yes in czech was "tak". He also said the word "nee" was slovak, although he gave no translation. Then he said "zapnuto" (on, according to czech.lang) was actually 03.31.55 Join TomA [0] (n=4469001f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b923b0c84921afe3) 03.32.07 Quit midgey () 03.35.29 # I want to know how I can post another good encoding program for the mpegplayer plugin, it is SuperC. It can encode into and from many different formats with an easy to use interface. 03.36.44 # Get wiki access. If you got some, you should be able to just add to the wiki. 03.36.56 # How do I do that? 03.37.55 # There is a link somewhere called "register yourself". Look around; it has been a while since I did it. I think it is on the main wiki page. Click that link, follow the directions, and report back here; I can give you write permission. 03.38.06 # ok 03.38.08 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 03.38.46 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.38.59 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.39.08 # TomA: Isn't that just another front-end to ffmpeg? 03.39.09 # TomA: Are you referring to SUPER? 03.39.33 # SUPER isn't a front end. It's a hackish program put together containing bits of ffmpeg, DLLs from other programs, and basically a whole mess of copyright infringing, from what I've read. 03.40.37 # Or rather, isn't "just" a front end. 03.40.56 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.41.21 # * linuxstb was struggling to find out some details on the Super (C) website... 03.41.54 Quit TomA ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.41.55 Nick mchua is now known as mchua_away (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.42.15 Nick mchua_away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.43.21 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=59f1a167@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96f7e6c9fa4f8bf8) 03.44.18 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.44.31 Part zedd_D1abl0 03.51.40 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.54.54 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.55.20 Nick mchua|away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-65-114-204.nyc.res.rr.com) 03.55.32 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.56.30 Quit DaCapn () 04.00.23 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 04.00.32 Part zedd_D1abl0 04.00.49 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.05.46 Part pixelma 04.07.18 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 04.07.29 Part zedd_D1abl0 04.07.35 Join TomA [0] (n=4469001f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-30d8e72db432a947) 04.08.38 # I registered can someone authorize me or whatever to post wikis 04.09.56 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 04.09.58 Part zedd_D1abl0 04.14.09 Quit countrymonkey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.20.23 # TomA: IMO, that site is such a nightmare that I wouldn't want to advertise it and make people jump through their hoops... I can't even seem to download it (with firefox) 04.25.21 # sorry if you posted a while back I was looking around the site 04.27.33 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 04.28.47 # It took some time for me to find the link to the download but here is the best way I can give directions, 04.29.25 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.29.40 # first go to the top of the page move over freeware/superc/then click download 04.30.29 # On the page that comes up scroll all the way to the bottom and click "start downloading superc" 04.31.00 # Exactly... Why do they need to do that? 04.31.10 # on the next page right near the top in blue is download an use click that 04.31.18 # don't ask me 04.31.55 # then at the bottom of the next page is the link to download the superc setup file 04.33.30 # anyway thats what I use, it can use directshow so i've used it with divx files and had exelent results 04.34.09 Join john_ [0] (n=john@76-192-164-198.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) 04.34.14 # hey all 04.34.20 # wuzup 04.34.55 # can you authorize me, so I can post? 04.35.07 # problems....i had a macpod and formated it with gparted fat32, now the rockbox utility say's no ipod found 04.35.09 # TomA: Is there a list of the licenses for the various codecs somewhere on the site? 04.35.10 # any idea? 04.35.24 # john_: You should follow the manual conversion page, it's not as simple as *just* reformatting. 04.35.32 # never looked don't know 04.35.33 # i did do that 04.35.56 # it doesn't say how to format it to fat32 under linux 04.36.03 # john_: Does it boot the Apple OS? 04.36.17 # yes 04.36.24 # TomA: Well, it's rather important. We shouldn't put links to things with questionable license adherence on the wiki 04.36.30 # Llorean: It seems that they are complying with the law - I managed to download it, and the installation program says that the included binaries (ffmpeg etc) are unmodified and released under the GPL. The ffmpeg devs seem to be happy with that. 04.36.31 # john_: Have you tried the manual installation instructions? 04.36.40 # TomA: Is "A" your full surname? 04.36.41 # yes, i put the partition table on 04.37.02 # newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdiskNs2 04.37.14 # linuxstb: I was more concerned about the inclusion of some of the DLLs. I'd read that they're taken from things like WMP. But I'm not really certain. 04.37.16 # that command is not for linux so the only way i know how to format is through gparted 04.37.32 # john_: I didn't ask if you put the partition table on. I asked if you'd tried the manual rockbox install. 04.37.35 # no, Arnold, I just put A for short, and check their webpage under company/legal notices 04.37.37 # Llorean: OK, I've no idea about that... 04.37.45 # yes 04.37.56 # john_: So what does iPodPatcher say? 04.38.10 # linuxstb: *shrugs* Dunno. if it seems okay, I guess go with it. 04.38.10 # llorean : whenever i run ./ipodpatcher is says cannot find ipod 04.38.35 # john_: Can you paste the partition table to a pastebin somewhere? 04.39.32 # to a pastebin? 04.39.50 # john_: Have you seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 04.40.09 # The source code hasn't been modified it says it is all legal under the GNU liscense for free software 04.40.45 # TomA: I'm happy with that, but the rules for the wiki (on the registration page you just visited) say your wiki name MUST BE your full first name and surname. 04.40.47 # no i have not tried that way yet... 04.40.50 # let me give that a try thanks 04.41.02 # My B how do I fix that 04.41.15 # john_: Before you do that, does your ipod boot normally into the Apple firmware? 04.41.49 # yes 04.41.53 # it does 04.43.04 # And you're running ipodpatcher as root? 04.43.22 # yes 04.43.48 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.44.35 Join TomArnold [0] (n=4469001f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1a72b24f34bdec19) 04.44.48 Quit TomArnold (Client Quit) 04.44.57 # OK, then follow Llorean's advice and show us what your partition table looks like... 04.45.04 # GottoGo 04.45.19 Quit TomA ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.45.33 # john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo dd if=mbr-4g-20gb.bin of=/dev/sdd3 04.45.33 # 1+0 records in 04.45.33 # 1+0 records out 04.45.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK john_ 04.45.33 # 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 3.9757e-05 seconds, 12.9 MB/s 04.45.44 # i just wrote the table to my ipod 04.45.46 # That's your mistake - it should be /dev/sdd 04.46.01 # john@john-desktop:~$ 04.46.01 # Then unplug your ipod, and reattach it. 04.46.05 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Success) 04.46.29 # but when i do >df it shows up as /dev/sdd3 04.46.38 # dev/sdd3 04.47.01 # got it sdd is the harddrive 04.47.05 # sdd3 is the 3rd partition 04.47.15 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.47.16 # Indeed. 04.48.33 # now i did this 04.48.35 # john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ dd if=Firmware-10.3.1.1 of=/dev/sdd1 04.48.35 # maddler: writing to `/dev/sdd1': No space left on device 04.48.35 # 63+0 records in 04.48.35 # 62+0 records out 04.48.35 *** Alert Mode level 1 04.48.35 # 31744 bytes (32 kB) copied, 0.396261 seconds, 80.1 kB/s 04.48.36 *** Alert Mode level 2 04.48.36 # john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ 04.49.00 # should there be 3 partitions on my ipod 04.49.21 # Did you unplug and reattach your ipod? 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04.58.38 *** Alert Mode OFF 04.59.08 # You've dd'ed the firmware and formatted the second partition as FAT32? 04.59.35 # yes, 04.59.52 # mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sde2 05.00.10 # that is the command i did and it paused for a minute and then when to a prompt 05.00.11 # Then yes, you can disconnect. Your ipod will then update it's firmware in flash, and you'll need to connect it to a charger whilst it does that. 05.00.18 # ok 05.00.25 # do i need to unmount the volume? 05.00.44 # Yes, if it's mounted. 05.00.55 Quit japc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.00.56 # it doesn't show up on my desktop 05.01.31 # If you just type "mount" by itself at the command-line it will tell you if it's mounted. 05.01.33 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.02.31 # ok it flashed and now its at the menu 05.02.39 Join amigan_ [0] (i=dcp1990@ip68-9-19-207.ri.ri.cox.net) 05.03.46 # that worked, rockbox is installing now 05.03.50 # thank you very much! 05.04.07 Quit FOAD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.04.18 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05.05.23 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.08.16 Join TheBashar [0] (n=User@adsl-75-31-137-24.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 05.08.23 Quit john__ ("BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.") 05.09.39 Quit Soul-Slayer ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.12.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.13.28 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 05.17.41 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.25.12 Quit desowin (No route to host) 05.29.03 Join jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 05.31.33 Quit mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!") 05.33.55 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 05.35.00 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.226.58.34) 05.36.25 Quit ndim (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.40.22 Join jurrie__ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 05.41.50 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 05.46.28 Quit jurrie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.48.32 Quit jurrie_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.13.46 Join jurrie_ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.28.44 Join AegisDrgn [0] (i=AegisDrg@dynamic2-217-041.usc.edu) 06.29.13 Quit jurrie__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.29.43 Quit scorche (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 06.32.20 # Is there anyway I can transfer the equalizer and gain settings, well basically, all the sound settings from my Sansa E280 running Rockbox to my computer? Music on the Rockbox sounds so much better than the same songs being piped out to the same headphones and equalizer settings that I tried to set as close to the ones in the Rockbox. 06.32.46 Join jurrie__ [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-068-209-041-021.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.33.24 # Probably not what you're after, but you can actually use Rockbox on your computer. 06.34.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator 06.35.13 # Hmmm, I did consider that, but haven't tried it yet because I would like to stick with my current music player on my computer (Winamp) 06.35.55 # no, you can copy the equaliser settings fairly easily, but you cant somehow magically make your computer use the rockbox EQ in some other app 06.37.14 # Do you have some tips on how I can copy those EQ settings? 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08.54.30 # both times. 08.54.51 # the whole 2 times since r1? 08.55.08 # as far as the tree shows 08.55.14 # its a table 08.55.58 # * scorche moved this pointless jabbing to -community 08.56.02 # moves.. 08.56.23 Join jhulst|phone [0] (n=pocketir@adsl-75-48-236-43.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 08.57.36 Quit jhulst|phone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.04 # [18:57:56] and if so, populate the tree a bit more with red and yellow to make it more autumny 08.58.13 # ok /me commits a known red compile :D 08.58.22 # * scorche sighs 08.58.34 # * JdGordon cackles hysterically 08.59.22 # * GodEater thinks JdGordon has been over doing it, and clearly needs a lie down. 08.59.32 # perhaps a cup of tea 09.03.54 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.06.06 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.06.06 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.08.44 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.09.06 Join zedd_D1abl0 [0] (n=jordan@ppp121-45-213-99.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) 09.09.10 Part zedd_D1abl0 09.12.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.13.22 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 09.15.16 # GodEater: Good idea.... 09.15.19 # * pondlife sips tea 09.15.32 # stripwax is coming along tonight btw 09.15.40 # he replied to my facebook message 09.15.49 # Wow, might be 5 of us, right? 09.15.56 # that could be a record :D 09.15.56 # face....book.... 09.15.59 # That's almost a quorum 09.16.11 # We can start to make dictatorial decisions. 09.16.18 # erm 09.16.29 # surely if there's a group of us, it's not dictatorial by definition ? 09.16.41 # oligarch 09.16.55 # Sorry, you are correct. 09.17.02 # seriously though...a couple more and it could be a true devcon 09.17.12 # More tea required... 09.17.30 # * GodEater has had a caffeine free week so far 09.17.35 # Ouch 09.17.36 # the first few days weren't pleasant 09.17.42 # I'm getting the hang of it now though 09.17.49 # unpleasant and OT... 09.18.08 # topic police 09.18.47 # Just be grateful I'm not a forum mod 09.19.27 # is anybody with an ipod nano interested in testing 8644 for me? 09.19.32 # you are... 09.19.47 # Shh, I don't use those powers 09.19.56 # Not enough hours in the day 09.23.55 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 09.27.16 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-341777.home.otenet.gr) 09.39.32 # * JdGordon definatly feels a pub devcon would be the best type there is 09.44.17 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.44.29 Join skbohra [0] (n=bijolian@117.199.112.169) 09.45.09 # hi everyone 09.46.39 Join SMB-Chmmr [0] (n=Meh@d58-108-18-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.47.14 # JdGordon: It is 09.47.27 # (Well, not that I've attended a non-pub one.) 09.48.01 # hi all 09.49.54 # just got a quick quesiton, when you open a playlist you've made (in rockbox) in notepad, it has a character that comes up as a box at the end of each file location, can anyone tell me what that character is? 09.50.59 # SMB-Chmmr: which program are you opening it with? 09.51.05 # notepad 09.52.07 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de) 09.52.35 # windows uses a different new line control characters than rockbox (and*nix) does 09.54.14 # ok, thanks 09.54.15 # notepad inst too smart in this regard 09.54.17 # * petur thinks we should be compatible 09.54.24 # with what ? 09.54.33 # nevermind me 09.54.39 # SMB-Chmmr: Wordpad might work, or even better get Notepad++ 09.54.49 # will have a look, thanks 09.54.58 # Wordpad does work 09.55.28 Part skbohra 09.55.35 # * pondlife discovers that Windows XP has finally dropped edlin 09.55.57 # hmm.. I'm not sure it is only line-endings. If I remember correctly notepad just ignores lf and would write everything on one "line" 09.55.57 # is there any playlist creators? 09.56.16 # SMB-Chmmr: there are *tons* of m3u creating programs out there 09.56.39 # oh so if i created them in winamp they would work in rockbox with a little editing? 09.56.48 # but I don't have a better idea currently 09.56.53 # they shouldn't need editing at all 09.57.02 # pixelma: well, there is a way to test.. 09.57.16 # * pixelma goes testing 09.57.19 # SMB-Chmmr: assuming you save it as m3u and not pls 09.57.38 # GodEater: winamp will have it having a drive letter "C:/My Music/Rock/Blah.mp3", i wouldn't have to take the C: out? 09.58.21 # SMB-Chmmr: rockbox will strip the drive letter anyway...so assuming you stil have /My Music/Rock/Blah.mp3 , it will work fine 09.58.35 # oh beautiful, that frees up what i had planned for tomorrow :) 10.01.54 # result: line-endings are lf (as notepad++ tells me) and plain notepad writes everything on one line for me... 10.02.56 # i'm going to try a winamp playlist, and see how it goes :) 10.03.05 # pondlife: edlin was already gone in w2k... 10.03.17 # * petur thinks 10.03.27 # SMB-Chmmr: happen to see what number that char is? 10.03.27 # Hmm, I thought I had it until recently 10.03.44 # * petur should check before stating :/ 10.03.48 # We still have debug though, the ultimate editor (for small files) 10.04.02 # scorche: what do u mean sorry? 10.04.45 # well the winamp playlist worked beautifully thanks heaps guys :) 10.05.31 # hrm...i just made a playlist in rockbox and it is all on one line as it should be, i suppose 10.05.37 # SMB-Chmmr: what operating system? 10.06.16 # scorche: I already said that ;) 10.06.17 # XP 10.07.11 # pixelma: ah...by your words, i assumed you meant that you created a file with just LF in notepad++ and then opened it in notepad 10.07.31 # sorry 10.07.57 # I meant a Rockbox created playlist, sorry I didn't mention it 10.09.25 # well, it is bedtime for me a couple of hours ago, so... 10.09.32 # night scorche 10.10.06 # SMB-Chmmr: i dont respond to CTCPs ;) 10.10.13 # ahh :P 10.11.55 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-102-26.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.15.59 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 10.16.25 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.21.37 Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection) 10.22.01 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 10.22.18 Quit TMM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.25.51 # gevaerts: is the screendump feature in Rockbox safe to use on a c200 safe to use now (build is not USB enabled)? 10.26.49 # without the second "safe to use"... 10.26.55 # pixelma: yes. It's safe with or without USB build 10.27.28 # nice, thanks. 10.29.22 # Rockbox should probably create .m3u files with crlf. It does support both line ending formats for reading, 10.36.15 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 10.39.55 Quit GodEater ("Ex-Chat") 10.43.01 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.45.03 # amiconn: do you have an ipod nano? I'm doing battery bencmarks on H10 and if those turn out ok and ipod nano works ok the CF mode patch could be committed 10.45.10 # +h 10.46.32 # I only know of preglow, and some of the Americans having a Nano 10.47.19 # (didn't want to ping everyone...) 10.47.24 # ah ok 10.48.26 # what is cf mode? 10.48.44 # did H10 battery performance get better lately or did the guy who posted his benchmark have a bad battery. I got a little over 7 hours... 10.48.58 # How uptodate is the RockboxTesting usually ? 10.49.12 # * gevaerts inserts a "page" there 10.49.24 # CaptainSquid: make Rockbox love CF cards (used when replacing hdd's wih them) 10.51.21 # bye all, thanks for your help 10.51.35 Quit SMB-Chmmr () 10.52.05 # and why is an nano affected then? i mean, how (and why) would you replace nanos flash with a cf card? 10.53.31 # for the nano, the ata_soft_reset() was removed because it didn't work, and when testing CF's I saw the same. Now it is fixed, it must be tested on the nano to see if it works there too 10.53.58 # seems the nano flash behaves like a CF card 10.54.07 # ah, ok 10.54.22 # they probably just merged the internals of a CF card on the pcb 10.54.23 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.57.07 # That was probably the easiest way to get ata everywhere 10.57.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 10.59.39 Quit Soap_ (Connection timed out) 11.02.28 Quit ch4os_ ("Lost terminal") 11.02.35 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 11.02.37 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 11.02.43 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.08.12 # petur: I'd like to see the power management problem solved without hackish cf detection 11.08.58 # amiconn: me too, but so far I haven't found anything... got any idea's left? 11.10.16 # What's the problem with setting that feature, even if it returns an error? 11.11.02 # so you consider ignoring the error better than not setting it? 11.11.33 # the error when setting it is all theat goes wrong 11.11.47 # the card gives an immediate ABRT 11.12.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.12.37 # I think it could work that we try setting the feature, and if the device returns an error, modify identify_info so that we don't try again 11.13.24 # hmmm and that is less hackish? :p 11.13.41 # Well, it doesn't rely on unrelated information 11.14.22 # But I'm still not convinced that we're doing everything correct. If the card states that it supports advanced power management yet it errors when we try to enable it, there must be something we've overlooked.... 11.17.49 # I already spent more hours than I wanted looking at it :/ 11.18.16 # petur: want to try usb ;) ? 11.18.53 # * petur wasted enough time on that too 11.21.02 # There's still plenty of time wasting to share 11.27.59 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 11.28.09 Quit TMM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.38.36 # a friend just tells me there is a 3 page article in linux journal about rockbox on the ipod 11.38.56 # How much victim had rockbox? How much player have you broken while develping playing with dangerous things such as usb & power management^ 11.39.01 # * ?? ** 11.40.05 # USB isn't dangerous. 11.40.50 # slasheri bricked his player while trying to flash his firmware, but linusn later fixed it for him 11.42.01 # hufff.. iRivers are bad from this point of view, I know... 11.42.02 Join NotSoap [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 11.44.07 Join skbohra [0] (n=bijolian@117.199.112.169) 11.44.30 # according to the article we claim that the ipod's music quality is better with rockbox compared to apple's OS... 11.44.58 # hi everyone 11.45.15 # hi skbohra 11.45.54 # i m new to rockbox 11.46.08 # from the article: "What's cooler than a box of rocks? Well, a lot, but not much is cooler than Rockbox on your iPod!" :) 11.46.44 # skbohra: well, welcome 11.46.53 # do you like it so far? 11.47.19 # i will apply for rockbox in gsoc 11.47.52 # do you know which area of rockbox you would like to work on? 11.48.17 # may be its user interface, but not sure 11.48.56 # do you have a rockbox capable player? 11.49.27 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 11.49.36 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.50.16 # no but some one suggested me gigabit f40 yesterday 11.50.52 # it's a pretty good player for it's price 11.51.08 # mostly 2nd hand players on ebay 11.51.19 # but its difficult to get one here in india 11.51.47 # skbohra: will this help? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 11.52.22 # of course you can go for the ultimate GSoC project and start porting rockbox to a new player ;) 11.53.12 # its really a challenging task for an individual 11.54.46 # but my ultimate goal will be this! 11.55.31 # there are so many unpredictable factors in doing a new port that I really don't know if it's something to do over the summer. 11.55.45 Quit Soap_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.47 # but maybe if you have the right skills and a lot of time to work on it.. 11.56.43 # ya looked at its wiki 11.58.51 # my passion is growing towards it 11.59.07 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl) 11.59.30 # is there any indian rockbox contributor i can get help from 11.59.54 # if any body can tell me 12.02.08 # non of the most active members is from india 12.02.23 # :( 12.02.46 # maybe you can find someone here: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php 12.04.26 # wow... mceulenaere is from Belgium? 12.05.19 # not very far from my home to be exact 12.05.47 # petur: you couldn't guess from the name? 12.06.49 # :) but lots of people with dutch sounding names actually live in the US 12.07.20 # skbohra: there is a committer called "Hardeep Sidhu", I guess it's an indian name, right? 12.07.31 # petur: time to move the rockbox center of gravity from Sweden to Belgium ? 12.07.36 # ya its indian name 12.07.42 # markun: I believe he is from the US though 12.09.09 # And I can't remember the last time he was around... 12.09.43 # skbohra: rockbox development is in english anyway, so maybe a good opportunity to practice :) 12.10.33 # linuxstb: probably years ago 12.10.34 # i have problem with english, i believe 12.11.01 # So do lots of native English speakers 12.11.27 # skbohra: many of us don't speak perfect english (like me for example) 12.11.46 # i forgot to put a "no" near problem 12.11.52 # but I couldn't convince the rest to use esperanto... 12.11.53 # I think "crzyboyster" in the forums is from India but he only contributed some "ports" of the cabbiev2 theme so far. His real name is Apoorva Mahajan IIRC 12.12.11 # skbohra: ah ;) 12.12.35 # skbohra: were you going to ask him for help buying a player? 12.12.58 # :) 12.14.06 Quit Jon-Kha (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.14.59 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.16.12 # i m getting good help here as well 12.23.34 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 12.25.51 # there is no player which is in production supports rockbox! 12.27.18 # product lifetime of mp3 players seems to be around 1 year... 12.27.36 # peter: wow... I'm very very far ... 12.29.27 # so i think more developers are needed to make things happen quickly 12.30.07 # aren't the sansa's in production? 12.30.16 Join homielowe [0] (n=chatzill@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 12.30.26 # v2 now I suppose 12.30.35 # skbohra: do you know a player that is in production (besides ipods) rockbox could be ported to? 12.31.52 # "creative" zen 12.32.42 # there's http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort 12.32.43 Join Jon-Kha_ [0] (n=jon-kha@a88-113-17-213.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 12.32.51 # The Cowon D2 seems a promising new port - and still available... 12.32.59 # true 12.33.09 # But quite expensive... 12.33.36 # is the m:robe 500 out of production? 12.33.49 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-195-151.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.34.09 Join mrkiko_ [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 12.36.43 # linuxstb: what do you think about a realaudio gsoc proposal? 12.38.11 # the first stage would be to add support for the container and make it play ac3 based realaudio files, then try to port the cook codec. 12.40.05 Part skbohra 12.40.22 # Yes, seems a feasible project. There's also an ATRAC decoder in ffmpeg, and that's used in high bitrate RA files. 12.41.07 # can you think of other codecs we would like to have? 12.42.38 # Do we have .au ? 12.42.47 # :) 12.44.41 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 12.45.27 # * gevaerts was at least quarter-serious 12.46.00 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.48.49 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.49.01 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.50.05 # A bit more seriously, gsm doesn't seem to be supported, but I don't think many people are complaining about that 12.52.50 # markun: For me, realaudio (cook) is the only one I would use if it exists. I guess there are lots of game/tracker/etc formats we don't support, but I know nothing about those. 12.57.02 Join CaptainSquid83 [0] (n=Miranda@proxy11.netz.sbs.de) 13.03.29 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 13.03.44 Quit NotSoap (Remote closed the connection) 13.06.13 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 13.11.33 Quit mrkiko_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.12.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.14.05 # DOH! I just had normal playback repeat a track on rebuffering. 13.14.26 # i.e. it played track 7 again, claiming it was track 8. 13.14.49 # Seems that silly race condition remains on the device, but not seen on the sim. 13.14.49 # and the next track (that was supposed to play) was skipped? 13.14.55 # No 13.15.17 # But it claimed to be at 8 of 9 in the playlist, so probably won't play the last track 13.15.23 # We'll see... 13.16.16 # Looks like the fix I did in r16459 was just making a bad condition much less likely, but not fixing the underlying problem. 13.16.29 # Maybe I'll revert it locally and poke further. 13.16.34 # Not today though 13.16.52 # just asked because I experienced this somewhen in January twice but couldn't find a way to reproduce though 13.17.14 # The same symptoms as I was getting on sim before (reproducibly) 13.17.37 # Yes. 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Now when I plug the iPod into the computer, it does nothing. I can't seem to get it to charge. 14.18.32 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 14.21.11 # niskel: I believe you have to do some kind of hard reset, but as I don't have an ipod myself, I can't give you more details 14.21.52 # why don't you just charge it without pc i m sure it will work 14.22.10 # skbohra: I have nothing to charge it with other than the USB cable 14.22.48 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-165-190.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 14.23.27 # niskel: just keep it inserted 14.23.36 # it does charge 14.23.53 # i'm afraid u need one as you have ran out of power completely so now the pc may not detect it 14.24.14 # from time to time you can try to hard reset by pressing "select" and "menu" and keeping them pressed for five secs 14.24.20 # eventually it will start again, but might take some time 14.24.51 Quit petur ("hardware upgrade") 14.24.52 # skbohra, preglow, gevaerts: doing a hard reset with select and menu got it back up. Thanks! 14.25.03 # well, then there are no worries anyway :) 14.25.17 # but you should avoid charging it all the way out 14.25.23 # :) 14.25.51 # preglow: I /thought/ I turned it off... until I tried to have some tunes for the walk home from work yesterday :/ 14.25.52 # lol 14.33.18 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.34.12 Join fcnguy [0] (n=tourist@CPE00012e15cab1-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 14.35.18 # * Nico_P is almost ready to commit the improved cabbie v2 for the gigabeat 14.35.34 # after finally getting photoshop to work with wine 14.37.47 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.36 # what to do when people get jealous of you when you try to exercise and try to stop you in step of the way( bully you)? they basically want me to have a painful heart attack and die. i already have high cholesterol at age 21 and probably had since 18 or 19...? what to do? 14.41.27 # Nico_P: Can you correct the "kB/s" in the bitrate display in the gigabeat version of cabbiev2? Maybe kbit/s ? 14.41.40 # linuxstb: sure 14.42.12 # And reduce the size of those silly icons down the bottom... ;) 14.42.49 # that I can't do :) 14.42.54 # Ah, go on... 14.49.35 # hmm the SVN version has a mix of CR/LF and LF line terminators... nice :/ 14.50.45 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 14.53.13 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-195-151.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.55.56 # done ! :) 14.56.29 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.57.00 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4cadb36d77d11ded) 14.58.56 # Morning, everyone! 15.00.45 Quit fcnguy (Remote closed the connection) 15.01.53 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 15.04.31 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.56.5) 15.08.43 Quit skbohra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.18.17 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.18.55 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.22.55 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 15.24.19 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 15.27.21 Part LinusN 15.28.26 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 15.32.43 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-195-151.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.34.25 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 15.39.38 Quit midgey () 15.43.21 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5FEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.43.35 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 15.45.07 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 15.46.33 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.50.31 Join phenobitch [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 15.51.03 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4958aef4605f7ed0) 15.52.47 # Nico_P: Re: your last commit, why reduce the size of the font even more? 15.54.38 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.54.53 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.58.18 # It seems that several plugins use some kind of malloc(), and they all have their own implementation. Would it be useful to unify those, or a "general" malloc implementation encourage its use too much ? 16.00.12 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.07.05 # My feeling is that latter, but others have expressed a desire for some kind of malloc implementation in the plugin library. 16.12.30 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-32ec9896789cdfd3) 16.14.33 # Currently there seem to be 8 of them (chessbox, dict, midi, mpegplayer, rockboy, searchengine and zxbox). I guess most of those really need it. The problem as I see it with every plugin having its own malloc is that it probably increases the risk of bugs. 16.15.54 # Nico_P: I also would "vote" for a larger font... 16.16.29 # I use Nimbus-14 with Cabbiev2. 16.17.29 # Nico_P: mind if I add your changes to settings_list.c ? 16.19.18 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.20.30 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.48 # Wow, Nimbus-14 is actually smaller than helvR12 16.20.59 # Vertically at least 16.22.29 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.22.32 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.22.38 # the helvR fonts are misnamed (in Rockbox terms), helvR12 is 14 pixels tall, nimbus-14 btw. is only nimbus-12 with 2 lines more spacing 16.22.54 # (so 14 pixels tall at least) 16.23.22 # Maybe we should rename them? 16.23.34 # pondlife: Just to break all the themes? ;) 16.23.40 # Absolutely :) 16.23.43 # But yes, why not ;) 16.24.12 # there's also helvR10 which should then be helvR12 then ;) 16.24.18 # Affected included themes would, of course, be updated. 16.24.24 # s/then// 16.24.37 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.24.43 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.24.59 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 16.25.18 # Alternatively, perhaps we could have a better font browser, allowing selection of a font family, then the sizes within. Somehow, without relying on filenames. 16.25.22 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982146d3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-378f5fb35199cb33) 16.26.01 # Fixing the filenames would seem easier... 16.26.30 # pondlife: I couldn't even imagine how that would work from your description 16.26.35 # Me neiither! 16.26.49 # It was just a (bad) idea 16.27.11 # pondlife: More importantly, what time do you think you'll arrive tonight? 16.27.42 # Aiming for 7pm 16.27.46 # But probably 7:30 16.28.00 # Depends on the train to Paddington mainly 16.28.20 # Last time I missed bus, then train. 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But I wonder why the other exists 16.32.15 # wow, that is old... 16.32.22 # Pre-upgrade? 16.32.23 # pixelma: do you think crzyboyster's mrobe 100 version of cabbie is good enough and if you think it is okay would you mind committing it (even as a starting point) - I am not sure how the build system works these days 16.32.51 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.34.18 # roolku: I'll have a look and could commit (and maybe even tweak the graphics a bit before) 16.34.26 # pixelma: because the twiki cache creates it when you access it, but the "refresh cache" link refreshes the WebHome cache 16.34.43 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=Bjoern@166.80-202-110.nextgentel.com) 16.35.04 # the twiki cache is far from perfect 16.35.05 # pixelma: that would be great. :) Thanks 16.35.46 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 16.35.53 # pixelma: I am working slowly through the manual - pretty tedious. Makes me appreciate all the work that has gone into it. 16.36.36 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A97B0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.41.04 # roolku: it often looks like a simple change, then you find out that if you edit a thing in one place it needs editing in another place and see a few errors on the way, etc... :) 16.42.23 # people should be prohibited to make mistakes! 16.43.32 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.44.23 Join pikhq_ [0] (n=pikhq@209.248.124.243) 16.44.32 Quit CaptainSquid83 ("Miranda IM!") 16.45.07 Quit corevette (Remote closed the connection) 16.45.17 Quit pikhq (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.46.32 Join fehmicans [0] (n=canavar@88.253.7.64) 16.47.14 # Horscht: That's human nature, though. You learn from your mistakes as well. 16.48.18 # punny little humans 16.48.18 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.48.33 # ;) 16.49.16 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnd230.ugent.be) 16.49.58 # petur: the last person logged in might not be far from you too ;) 16.50.45 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 16.50.54 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 16.51.34 # pixelma: indeed, ugent is about 5 kilometers from here, but it looks like vpn is used... 16.51.49 # (ugent = university of gent) 16.52.24 # yes, found it which is why I "asked" 16.52.46 # * petur has serious doubts about the real name entered by Mathiasdm - it's a brand of cookies :) 16.53.04 # yes, and really good ones :D 16.53.08 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.53.09 # indeed 16.53.26 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.54.36 # * gevaerts gives petur a different cookie 16.54.41 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.54.42 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@79.131.94.197) 16.54.57 # hmm 16.55.03 # would it be cannibalism if I ate cookies? 16.56.06 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.56.15 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.56.50 # Mathiasdm: That's like eating your kitten. 16.57.08 # oh my :o 16.57.12 # * Mathiasdm faces a dilemma 16.58.34 # Nico_P: Any hard drive yet? 16.58.56 Quit midgey () 17.00.12 # * gevaerts gives Mathiasdm a cookie, just to see what he will do 17.00.44 # * pondlife spots a kitten entering the room 17.00.57 # * Mathiasdm looks at attractive cookie 17.01.08 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.01.24 # Zagor was wise to leave before it got ugly... 17.04.22 # * Mathiasdm **CENSURED** 17.04.52 Quit gevaerts ("Going home to see if there are any Jules Destrooper cookies left") 17.05.05 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.05.09 # and now: back to work :-) 17.06.00 Quit fehmicans (Remote closed the connection) 17.06.17 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.06.25 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.09.12 Quit ol_schoola () 17.09.53 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.10.03 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.12.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.12.37 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.12.45 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.13.22 # bagder: looks like the download mirrors don't pick up the new m:robe 100 bootloader - maybe a permission problem on http://haxx.rockbox.org/bootloader/olympus/mrobe100/pp5020.mi4 ? 17.19.51 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-79-18.dsl.telesp.net.br) 17.22.48 Join john_ [0] (n=john@76-192-164-198.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) 17.22.56 # hey all 17.23.32 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 17.23.40 # anyone around? 17.24.37 # john_, yea but you can say your issue 17.25.09 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.26.25 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.26.33 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.27.51 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.31.23 # sorry.....i loaded a bunch of music onto my ipod and now it's not reading it in the database 17.31.41 # it says building database.....0 found 17.31.56 # but whenever i load it up in banshee it says i have 1300+ songs there 17.32.42 # pondlife: going to the post office now 17.34.30 # any idea why it is doing this? 17.36.06 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 17.36.07 # is anyone even around? 17.36.28 # please have patience; IRC doesn't stand for instant reply chat 17.37.20 # john_, have you tried deleting the database files (*.tcd in your .rockbox directory) and manually initializing the database? are you using the latest build? 17.37.54 # how do you manually initialize the database and yes I am using the curent build 17.38.24 # thanks for your reply 17.38.37 # you hold select on the database and choose Initialize Now 17.39.39 # alright i just deleted the tcd file 17.40.02 # now i will try the initialize now 17.40.41 # alrigth it is building the database but it did do this before 17.41.03 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 17.42.12 # john_: We're rebuilding your database. 17.42.47 # now whenever i click on database it says ... database not ready initiaze now 17.42.59 # i hit select and it says building database...0 found 17.43.00 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 17.43.14 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 17.43.59 # so now there is nothing on there 17.44.03 # any idea what is going on? 17.45.42 # i'm not really familiar with the database, as i've never used it ;) 17.45.54 Quit Siku () 17.46.22 # * gevaerts is now home, eating a cookie marked J D, and setting up his new gigabeat f 17.47.13 Join Crash91 [0] (n=Crash@41.232.214.149) 17.47.14 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.47.22 # john_: Are all of your tracks properly tagged? 17.48.06 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 17.48.13 # How do i assist someone who has asked a question on the mailing list? 17.48.34 # as in: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-03/0046.shtml 17.49.01 # this problem happened to me and i think i may know the solution 17.49.16 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-214-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 17.49.56 # Lamb : all my tracks show up on the apple firmware but once i replaced it with rockbox, nothing shows up 17.50.24 # any idea? 17.50.51 # What codec? 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AAC? 17.51.02 # mp3 17.51.27 # all my stuff is mp3 17.51.38 Join tvelocity__ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-00756.home.otenet.gr) 17.52.41 # john_: do not show up as in file view? have you tried initializing the database 17.52.52 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-114-251.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 17.53.20 # Crash91 : i click onthe database and it says 0 found....i deleted the tcd file and reinitialized it but still nothing 17.53.27 # Crash91, you email the list replying to that header. not sure how you do it if you're not subscribed to the list. 17.54.34 # krazykit: erm, well it would probably be eaiser for someone who can reply to reply for me? 17.54.35 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 17.55.01 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 17.55.46 Part pondlife 17.55.56 # * petur waves at mcuelenaere 17.56.11 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-209-105.student.uu.se) 17.56.16 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 17.56.18 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 17.56.19 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC") 17.56.27 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-426c0946b0b1c9a1) 17.56.55 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-114-251.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 17.58.08 # can anyone reply for me please? 17.59.40 # you cannot mail on the list unless you're subscribed 17.59.46 # it will just bounce 17.59.52 # Crash91: Better go subscribe to the list. 18.00.08 # -.- no time! 18.00.43 # in the time you last asked and waited til saying that, you could've subscribed. 18.01.03 # What's 5 minutes to go sign up on the list? A blip on the time stream, that is! 18.01.05 # the problem is most probably because the user recently copied a large file (usuallly one file, +500MB), if you delete it, you should be able to use the OF 18.01.27 # LambdaCalculus37: but i must go NOW! :) 18.01.37 # bye bye! 18.01.42 Quit Crash91 ("Leaving") 18.01.47 # .... 18.02.10 # He could subscribe when he has free time, or doesn't he know that? 18.04.28 # lamb : any idea what the hell is going on? 18.04.40 # it reads my database and then i reboot and it says 0? 18.05.25 # How are you rebooting? 18.06.48 Quit tvelocity_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.46 # holding in the play button and it says shutting down 18.08.17 # OK. I was just checking you weren't resetting (holding MENU+SELECT together) 18.08.25 # nope, 18.08.26 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 18.09.30 # * linuxstb doesn't use the database and has no idea how to debug problems... 18.09.42 # alright thanks 18.09.58 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.10.03 # * gevaerts now has rockbox on his gigabeat F 18.10.57 # gevaerts: are you going to work on the usb ont he F 18.10.58 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.11.04 # gevaerts: Welcome to the 300MHz club ;) 18.11.48 # It's slightly bigger than my c250 18.12.13 # toffe82: probably, but not immediately. The PP usb support comes first 18.12.26 # Am I right in thinking that usb host requires the cradle? 18.13.00 # No idea. Some of the information I saw seems to suggest that, but I'm not sure. 18.13.54 # the big usb connector on the cradle is direct to the cpu, the small one go through a hub 18.14.38 # It came with some music still on it. I got rid of that, but the OF database is still there. Can I safely remove those files as well ? (assuming I don't touch fwimg) 18.15.17 # There's a minimal gbsystem directory on the wiki somewhere, which removes all traces of the original firmware. 18.15.30 # Rockbox doesn't dual-boot on the gigabeat anyway... 18.15.53 # not the cpuhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins#Dock_connector 18.16.17 # gevaerts: Here's what linuxstb was talking about: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatFXPort/GBSYSTEM.zip 18.16.37 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.16.39 # Those are dummy files which remove all traces of the OF. 18.18.16 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 18.18.16 # ugh..."Because of this limitation I began researching what it would take to modify or enhance the Linux environment on the Gigabeat. This research led me to Rockbox. Rockbox is a Linux based firmware for various MP3 players." 18.19.02 # Obviously a great researcher... 18.19.34 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.20.50 # apparently that person writes for Tux magazine (it was from his blog) 18.20.51 # Yes, so great that a comatose sea slug has more sense than he does. 18.20.56 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36dcd2887a490fa9) 18.21.05 # scorche|sh: Link? 18.21.13 # http://www.linuxphile.org/node/43 18.21.14 # linuxphile.org 18.21.17 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-213-162.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.21.33 # some people always assume opensource == linux based 18.22.34 # This guy is rife with Golden Quotes. 18.22.39 # Like this one: Browsing the Rockbox site, I discovered Rockbox was available for every generation of the Ipod. 18.22.45 Join perrikp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c91e14b447a13a96) 18.22.47 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 18.22.53 # well, at the time it was written, it could have been 18.23.06 # *ahem* Except that there's no version for the nano 2G or 3G, or Classic, or Touch, OR Shuffle. 18.23.07 # Excluding shuffles... 18.23.07 # * scorche|sh sees no dates 18.23.15 # Well, Both linux and rockbox are GPLv2 strict, so they must be the same 18.23.18 # ah...those itty bitty ones :) 18.23.47 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-208-085.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.24.29 # plus, both end in x, gevaerts 18.24.30 # * LambdaCalculus37 sees a 2005 copyright date on the bottom, but that can't be it 18.24.39 # But didn't the 1st/2nd gen support come after the 2nd Gen Nano was released? 18.24.45 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.50 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.24.59 # yeah, 1st 2nd gen was septemeber 2007 iirc 18.25.18 # Horscht: No, back in July 2007. 18.25.20 # "2007-09-19 1st and 2nd gen iPods are supported" 18.25.34 # And the second gen Nano was September 2006 IIRC 18.25.50 # so either way, he is wrong... 18.25.51 # yeah, escond gen nano is way older than july or september 18.26.01 # So no, even ignoring the shuffles we've never supported all ipod generations 18.26.12 # Horscht: Major Changes states "2007-07-27: Sound on iPod 2nd Gen! (That's classic iPod, not nano!)" 18.26.41 # eek...we might want to change that now with the "classic" 18.26.48 # LambdaCalculus37, rockbox.org states the above :p 18.27.15 # Apple stole the idea from us! 18.27.16 # "old bulky one" instead of classic? 18.27.26 # scorche|sh: I'm on it. 18.28.15 # * gevaerts wants an iPhone shuffle 18.28.22 # * scorche|sh considers sending this giuy an email to correct him.. 18.28.38 # * LambdaCalculus37 changed "classic" to "FireWire" 18.28.41 # Also ask him where he found that info 18.28.44 Nick perrikp is now known as perrikwp (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c91e14b447a13a96) 18.29.16 # gevaerts: Maybe from his bum! :) 18.29.16 Quit TMM (Remote closed the connection) 18.30.43 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 18.31.34 # Is the battery charge info on gigabeat reliable ? 18.31.52 Quit john_ ("BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.") 18.36.02 Quit mcuelenaere () 18.38.57 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@f051121195.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.41.07 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.41.08 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.03 Nick mchua|away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.43.12 Join thgz [0] (n=thgz@dsl-lprgw5-fe5fdc00-169.dhcp.inet.fi) 18.43.52 Part phenobitch ("Leaving") 18.46.53 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.48.46 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 18.48.49 Part thgz 18.52.27 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 18.58.37 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@node-29-1.adsl.tula.net) 18.59.00 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 19.02.19 # * Nico_P 's F40 is alive again thanks to pondlife! :D 19.03.15 # Nico_P: your change to cabbie didn't change the default font 19.03.22 # do you want me to change that to R12 as well? 19.03.32 # saratoga: you need to reload the theme 19.03.51 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/wps/WPSLIST?r1=16536;r2=16537 19.04.03 # * gevaerts now has to agree that cabbiev2 looks bad on sansa c200 compared to other players 19.04.06 # the default... 19.04.11 # ah crap 19.04.13 # Nico_P: that only applies to someone loading cabbie 19.04.29 # saratoga: I wouldn't mind you correcting it for me then 19.04.34 # sure 19.04.39 # I'm not sure what needs doing 19.05.38 # i have the patch ready, just going to compile it first 19.05.58 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 19.07.01 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 19.07.55 # ok commited 19.08.26 # thanks :) 19.08.32 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A6E6E.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.11.21 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drg5.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 19.11.48 # Why do we suddenly have multiple wiki pages just to show high-res scans of a TrekStor Beat? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TrekStorIBeatOrganixFMimg002HR 19.12.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.01 # * scorche|sh cringes at the page name 19.13.10 # have to get a swede to delete... 19.14.02 # * amiconn wonders why the TrashWeb doesn't work anymoe 19.14.20 # And move the scans to the main page of the DAP. 19.15.05 Quit hcs ("Leaving.") 19.15.16 # Some Twiki update broke quite a number of useful functions (which weren't dangerous afaiu) 19.15.24 # Did anyone already have a look at my usb cleanup patch in FS#8562 ? 19.15.50 # which of the rockboxable devices are HD based, and offer devices with sizes 60GB and up? 19.16.11 # appart from the ipod video 19.16.27 # Out of the box, or including upgradeable devices? 19.16.29 # Horscht: stock as in without a larger replacement hard drive? 19.16.34 # bah 19.16.35 # yes 19.16.35 # some IaudioX5s and Gigabeats, I believe 19.17.02 # which have 60GB models available 19.17.09 # what she said then 19.17.31 # Yes, iAudio X5 60GB, Gigabeat F60 and X60 19.17.39 # ah, thank you. 19.17.44 Quit Arathis (Nick collision from services.) 19.17.54 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A6E6E.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.18.12 # The Gigabeat S also has a 60GB model, but support is still in the works 19.19.23 # so... I am checking amazon for gigabeat, and they show me a sansa 19.19.56 # looks like the gigabeat never was available here in germany :D 19.20.25 Join d3m0n [0] (n=4ccad7ef@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81b37e2e059250e4) 19.20.48 # does anyone know if its possible to change themes in the 5.5g ipod classic? 19.21.06 # d3m0n: Yes. 19.21.08 # rockbox doesnt support the classic...and the classic is the 6th gen..not 5.5 19.21.11 # d3m0n: Clasic is 6th gen, and doesnt run Rockbox 19.21.20 # I always lose :( 19.21.21 # oh what a bummer 19.21.50 # cant do nothin with it? 19.21.55 # nope 19.22.06 # no good well thank you much :) 19.22.16 # * LambdaCalculus37 hates it when people confuse the iPod video with the iPod Classic 19.22.58 # is there a way to tell between the 2? 19.23.02 # Well, the classic plays video, so it must be an ipod video, right? ;) 19.23.02 # * n1s loves the "nano video" model :D 19.23.02 # yes 19.23.10 # classic has metal casing 19.23.17 # i.e. brushed metal 19.23.21 # Same logic as why some people call the 3rd gen nano a "nano video" 19.23.34 # * gevaerts likes his sansa c200 video 19.23.38 # mines metal in back and black in front 19.23.48 # oh...then it isnt a classic 19.23.48 # shiney chrome 19.24.02 # what size? 19.24.06 # d3m0n: Plastic black or aluminum black? 19.24.06 # 80 gb 19.24.14 # then you do have a 5.5 gen :) 19.24.17 # feels like plastic 19.24.20 # shiny black, or brushed metal? 19.24.31 # no its a dull black 19.24.33 # well, if it is 2 different colors, then it is a video 19.24.41 # Dull black is a Classic. 19.24.48 # You're out of luck. 19.24.49 # yeah, scorche|sh 19.24.56 # classics are also chrome on the back 19.25.05 # eh?....since when? 19.25.09 # * scorche|sh googles 19.25.10 # since... always 19.25.24 # scorche|sh: My brother and sister each have Classics. 19.25.29 # They're chrome on the back. 19.25.31 # * scorche|sh walks away in shame 19.25.37 # nah, it's okay 19.25.53 # so i have the evil classic huh 19.26.04 # And that means no Rockbox for you. Sorry. 19.26.07 # 80Gb, shiney chrome back can be either classic or video. 19.26.12 # :( 19.26.18 # since he said dull black, it's brushed metal, making it a classic 19.26.20 # that sucks lol 19.26.45 # All fullsize ipods <= 5.5th Gen have a chrome back, and the Nano 1st Gen too 19.26.47 # * pixelma is reminded of the comparison picture that was on wikipedia for a while (and wanted to put that into the Rockbox wiki) 19.27.24 # still have it here but it was taken down and I'm not sure about the license now 19.27.33 # d3m0n: sorry for the confusion 19.27.40 # not a problem 19.27.46 # this is why i come to u peoples :) 19.27.53 # http://ketsugi.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/side-by-side-comparison.jpg 19.28.10 # left is classic, right is video 19.28.35 # d3m0n: Left or right? Which looks the most like yours? 19.28.44 # do the last digits of serial help? 19.28.59 # Horscht: that's even a different one... 19.29.12 # d3m0n: Well, which OF looks like yours? 19.29.17 # huh? no. it's a white video vs a sliver classic, pikhq_ 19.29.21 # pixelma even 19.29.24 # left looks mroe like it 19.29.40 # Horscht: I meant the picture ;) 19.30.09 # sorry, what? 19.30.17 # mine has the split screen 19.30.22 # classic 19.30.28 # the left one 19.30.55 # * amiconn kicks the build system 19.31.04 # Apple says a classic will have a serial number ending in Y5N, YMU, YMV, or YMX 19.31.15 # Horscht: you found a different comparison picture than the one I wanted to put into the wiki (see a few lines up) :) 19.31.30 # yeah its a classic 19.31.30 # ah! 19.31.36 # now i understand 19.31.44 # pixelma: Which models do you need comparisons of? 19.31.59 # well thanks everyone for the help :) 19.32.21 Quit d3m0n ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.32.49 # I wonder why everyone loves the classic/touch cover flow so much 19.32.58 # LambdaCalculus37: the ones we are talking about right now... wanted to put that on the IdentifyPlayer to make it easier for people to find out... 19.33.02 # it looks nice, but it's a pain to find stuff you want 19.33.44 # pixelma: I can snap a picture of my video and a Classic side-by-side later on tonight, if your want.. 19.33.50 Join bruges [0] (n=bruges@e178011218.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.33.59 # i do realy like the vortex game that comes on the classic/nano 3rdgen 19.34.00 # */s/your/you 19.34.23 # would probably help for the wiki 19.34.26 # Horscht: Everyone likes it because it's "pretty". 19.35.13 # http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 has some useful info 19.35.17 # I hope your classic and video have the same color, LambdaCalculus37, else people will think white=classic black=video or something 19.36.24 # Horscht: My iPod video is black, and the Classics are both silver. 19.36.35 # But a snapshot of the OF will be enough to show people the differences. 19.36.38 # both? damn, you're rich, aren't you? 19.36.59 # Horscht: The Classics aren't mine. 19.37.10 # They belong to my brother and sister. 19.37.31 # LambdaCalculus37: would be good if we could just point people to a wiki page... 19.37.36 # ah, i see. would they miss them? :p 19.38.22 # Horscht: We're all under the same roof. 19.38.27 # But I digress. 19.38.41 # pixelma: Let me look at Wikipedia. 19.38.58 # Found this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG/250px-20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG 19.39.08 # Which is the pause key on gigabeat ? 19.39.26 # tiny picture is tiny 19.39.32 # The author of the image says "I release this photo for all fair uses." 19.39.33 # gevaerts: lowest side button is play/pause, but the manual cna tell you that ;) 19.39.54 # http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG/800px-20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG 19.40.01 # but a good picture. lighting is good 19.40.05 # Oh wait, same pic. :P 19.40.38 # yeah, but its bigger now (you magically increased the size!) 19.41.15 # scorche|sh: are you sure ? I didn't find it (the manual seems very incomplete) 19.41.30 # * scorche|sh checks 19.41.45 # LambdaCalculus37, Horscht: yeah, that's the one I knew of, but I had it bookmarked and it must have been not available for a while and so I thought it was taken down for copyright reasons 19.42.21 # * gevaerts considers getting another forum account to ask newbie questions 19.42.45 # the gigabeat manual seems broken currently 19.42.58 # others too 19.43.11 # oops. I hope it wasn't me 19.43.28 # I'll have a look 19.43.47 # That would explain it... 19.43.55 # gevaerts: maybe try an older manual from http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 19.44.20 # gevaerts: 4.3.1 19.44.24 # I'm building it here now to see what's wrong 19.44.35 Join seraph [0] (n=seraph@p5493AEB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.44.43 # pixelma: must just be the server you got...i got it fine 19.44.59 # ah no, wrong link 19.45.03 # Nope, the Gigabeat manual is broken here. 19.45.05 # scorche|sh: the html one on the site stops at 4.1.3 19.45.25 # All of the Archos players, too. 19.45.32 # scorche|sh: the manuals don't seem complete 19.46.05 # Bagder: ping 19.46.11 # pixelma: The Archos ones are all broken. 19.46.26 # I'll have a look 19.46.36 # And it doesn't seem to build here. I think I built the c200 manual a few weeks ago, so my system should have all needed tools 19.46.51 # i see the html one does look broken, however the pdf version i just got sure looks complete to me 19.47.37 # that would be a weird thing 19.48.36 # Maybe the pdf one just doesn't get written at all if it fails, so the old one stays ? 19.49.15 # likely 19.50.13 # yeah, the pdf states that it is the manual of March 5th 19.50.13 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.50.38 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 19.51.01 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.51.41 # I think I found it 19.51.54 # I think I broke it, but not sure what the fix is 19.52.00 # The extra comma? 19.52.51 # the section describing the hold switch etc in the description of the mrobe isn't properly opted 19.53.34 # There's also a trailing comma in line 193 here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/browsing_and_playing.tex?r1=16532;r2=16533 19.53.53 # Not sure whether tex is that picky... 19.54.03 # Ok I have a fix 19.54.14 # That comma seems to solve it here 19.55.28 Quit seraph (Remote closed the connection) 19.55.44 # there is an MROBE100_PAD missing after the , 19.55.57 # Ok, I'll add it 19.56.48 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.57.29 # fix committed 19.58.52 Join seraph [0] (n=seraph@p5493AEB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.59.02 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host76-226-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.59.27 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 20.00.04 # * gevaerts now rushes to the forum, registers a new account, and asks the same question there, swearing he has read the manual... 20.00.24 # :P 20.00.26 # Maybe ask it in the wrong section as well ? 20.01.06 # gevaerts: which question is that? 20.01.06 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.01.22 # * amiconn thinks there should be some interface to trigger a manual build, at least if the regular manual builds failed for some reason 20.01.44 # scorche|sh: the one about play/pause ;) 20.01.56 # would be nice (broken manuals already happened a few times) 20.02.14 # gevaerts: well, it is in the older pdf manual ;) 20.02.35 # * gevaerts thinks the manual should be built automatically and show up on dev.cgi, just like the rest 20.02.36 # oh...and make sure to say "hai u guyz" 20.02.46 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.03.31 # maybe an own build table for the manuals and a new build only triggered on commits to the manual section? 20.03.55 # gevaerts: The manual builds aren't distributed 20.03.57 # just brainstorming here 20.04.04 # scorche|sh: How about also adding "i haz mp3 plyrz"? :P 20.04.22 # maybe a bit overkill but at least something that tells us it's broken would be nice 20.04.29 # * gevaerts goes to have dinner now. Will do the forum post after that ;) 20.04.43 # Also, building the manual requires a lot of stuff not needed for normal builds, and that stuff can be quite tricky to set up 20.05.01 # * amiconn never managed to build the html manual 20.05.07 # * n1s still cant build html so agrees with amiconn fully :D 20.05.09 # pdf sort-of works 20.05.23 # sort-of? 20.06.01 # probably amiconn's first suggestion still would be the best solution 20.07.21 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@ip8061f538.host.ucla.edu) 20.07.38 # n1s: Sort-of as in that the pdf is created in the manual/ subfolder, but not moved up one level as it seems to be intended, and also 'make' returns with an error 20.07.55 Quit seraph (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.12 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 20.08.31 # amiconn: that it is not moved to the correct location is a symptom of a build error I get that behaviour on errors too 20.08.38 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 20.08.44 # I presume you have an up to date makefile? 20.08.45 # I _occasionally_ have this one level up problem but sometimes it works as intended 20.09.02 # without other build errors 20.09.26 # it always works here unless I have errors 20.09.32 # amiconn: "make manual" is mandatory now 20.09.40 # I know 20.10.05 # And my manual makefiles are always up to date because I don't keep manual build folders 20.10.22 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.11.05 # so what is the error you get? 20.14.35 # Strange... now it works 20.15.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821482f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b2aa8bcf97cd7144) 20.16.55 # Hmm, html works too (on linux) 20.17.38 # * amiconn wonders whether it would be possible to make the manual build log understandable 20.18.37 # * amiconn tries cygwin 20.19.29 Join seraph [0] (n=seraph@p5493AEB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.19.48 # ! 20.19.59 # html works here too now 20.21.16 # Cygwin doesn't work at all now 20.21.29 # It wants the file "utf8x.def" 20.22.10 # that has to do with the unicode support 20.23.07 # I have no problems building on cygwin (except the html manual because I could never figure out how to manually set up the tex4ht packege :\ ) 20.23.19 # *package 20.23.48 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.28.56 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5pre/2008030506]") 20.29.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.34.55 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549664BB.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.36.37 Quit mcuelenaere () 20.36.42 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 20.37.28 # bagder: I think there is a permission problem on http://haxx.rockbox.org/bootloader/olympus/mrobe100/pp5020.mi4 20.39.02 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.39.13 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.39.55 # * gevaerts uses too long variable names. They clash with the 80-column requirement 20.41.00 # Where should I split a line like 'static struct usb_string_descriptor __attribute__((aligned(2))) usb_string_charging_only =' 20.41.02 # ? 20.46.45 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.56.5) 20.48.36 # Make shorter variable names.... 20.48.48 # * markun has a headache from looking at disassembled firmwares 20.49.09 # You could also invent a macro for __attribute__((aligned(2))) as that's needed quite often 20.49.55 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 20.50.24 # I could also make it non-static ;) 20.51.43 # * LambdaCalculus37 gives markun an aspirin 20.52.18 # markun: Been looking at the Meizu firmware? :) 20.53.49 # someone with a c200 currently around who would like to test sokoban? Just want to make sure it's not too hard on the eyes as the graphics are ...tiny. I think on my display it looks quite ok now 20.54.43 # pixelma: Will update and test now. 20.55.00 # it's not committed yet... 20.55.16 # :P 20.55.31 # I'll test it when it's committed, then. 20.55.32 # * gevaerts volunteers as well 20.56.17 Join bertrik [0] (n=Bertrik_@108-014-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 20.56.19 # easiest and quickest would be if I could send someone the sokoban.rock I compiled for me, I guess 20.57.46 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180079140.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.58.00 # pixelma: Want to email it to me and gevaerts? 20.59.26 Quit ender (" Connection Reset by Gypsies with Wire Cutters") 21.00.49 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 21.01.18 # * gevaerts is playing sokoban now 21.02.03 # gevaerts: How does it look on the c200? 21.02.26 # Tiny, but I think it's playable 21.02.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 waits for the email from pixelma 21.03.04 # it has a different colour scheme than the other colour versions because that was unusable... 21.03.22 # Maybe the yellow "target squares" should contrast a bit more with the background 21.03.54 # that's actually rockbox orange but looks more yellow here too 21.04.12 Quit toffe82 (Remote closed the connection) 21.04.35 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.08 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 21.05.41 # played quite a bit with colours and contrast, I think the display makes it harder to get something usable at that size 21.07.25 # LambdaCalculus37: thanks, and yes 21.07.46 # well, more at a demo firmware from Samsung 21.09.04 # markun: How's that going so far? 21.09.39 # at the moment I'm trying to find all the register addresses 21.10.03 Join Absinthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 21.10.06 # there are some debug prints in the firmware which help with that 21.10.21 # things like "PLL setup" etc 21.10.44 # * LambdaCalculus37 loves when companies forget to remove all of the debug output from their firmware :) 21.11.11 # and when they don't encrypt their firmwares 21.11.19 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 21.11.43 # pixelma: Quite tiny... reminds me of a colorized version of the JBR sokoban. 21.11.47 # This c200 LCD needs different brighness/contrast settings for different usages. Increasing the brighness setting a bit and lowering the contrast setting a bit makes sokoban look a lot better (at the expense of my nice rockbox_default theme) 21.12.13 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 21.12.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.12 # It seems that sokoban needs about the same LCD settings as cabbiev2 to look good, so I think it's fine 21.13.21 # Me too. 21.13.41 # The colors work well against the dark background of cabbiev2. 21.14.23 # pixelma: I say the graphics work well with the default theme. 21.14.28 # LambdaCalculus37: c200 can use 5x5 tiles, the Archos only uses 4x4... but yes, I was looking at my Ondio for inspiration... 21.14.45 Quit nplus ("Leaving") 21.15.03 # thanks for testing :) 21.15.10 # You're welcome. :) 21.16.53 # not sure when I'll commit yet because I want to make some more graphics too (better sized ones for the Nano and Mini which unnecessarily uses the Archos "graphics" currently for example) 21.18.25 # would be good if I could do that all at once but maybe could be done one by one... 21.19.45 # Actually on c200 it looks less tiny than on gigabeat. They are about the same absolute size on screen, but since the gigabeat screen is much bigger (mostly higher) it seems different 21.20.06 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.21.10 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.21.30 # yes, the gigabeat uses 9x9 tiles now and *could* use 12x12 ones and I want to prepare that as well. Also the c200 forced me to a new colour scheme, maybe the other ones should use it too? 21.21.32 # * gevaerts goes back to making his code look tiny 21.22.35 # Maybe. They probably need to be side by side to be sure 21.23.49 # will probably still look different even if I use the same palette 21.24.03 # That can't be helped I guess 21.25.39 # indeed, just thinking that a redish thing on green background is always a bit hard to read/see (like in the current versions) 21.27.27 # Yes. The main problem on the gigabeat is that the crate-pusher is hard to see. The crates and target-squares are fine 21.29.17 # * gevaerts wants to finish a HID driver for the c200 and USB host on the gigabeat, so he can use the c200's keypad as a remote for the gigabeat 21.30.04 # gevaerts: You're crazy. :D 21.30.21 # Why ? Other players have remotes... 21.30.42 # I was just kidding. :) 21.30.45 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.30.52 # Make the c200 host too... 21.30.53 # the gigabeat has a (non-LCD) remote as well 21.31.21 # Actually, using the c200 as a Gigabeat remote would be really cool looking. 21.31.49 # Make doom easier to play 21.32.01 # It would require some custom cabling since the USB host pins are only available on the dock connector 21.32.42 # toffe82 found the connectors 21.34.04 # * gevaerts gets to work. The sooner this PP USB is finished, the sooner Gigabeat host can get started 21.35.23 # * amiconn is going to bisect the 1st/2nd Gen binary 21.37.08 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.37.27 Join freqmod_nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no) 21.39.26 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 21.39.29 Quit Absinthe ("Leaving") 21.44.23 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 21.45.49 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.48.44 Quit Soap_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.50.31 # Gah, data abort when trying to seek in a file (causing a rebuffer)... 21.51.55 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.54.39 Quit argumentD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.54.49 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 21.56.46 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 21.56.59 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.59.43 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 21.59.44 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-016.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.59.54 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-016.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.01.47 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.134) 22.02.17 Join Stripwax_ [0] (n=Stripwax@149.254.192.192) 22.03.14 # GodEater - where are you?? DevConPub is underway.. 22.04.14 # Stripwax_: built any towers yet ? 22.04.19 # * bluebrother wonders if there will be "live" images ... 22.04.31 # Yes but no camera! 22.05.29 # too bad. So we won't see the tower at all? 22.05.41 # Do a drawing :) 22.05.47 # * gevaerts runs to the station with his camera. London is only maybe 6 hours away by train... 22.07.20 # ask some bystanding tourists (convince them it's a new sight) ;) 22.07.52 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.07.58 # There must be someone with a camera phone nearby 22.09.30 # the "Leaning Tower of Rockbox" 22.10.17 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.12.10 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=Dom@f053153062.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.12.43 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 22.12.56 Nick bluebrother^ is now known as bluebrother (n=Dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.16.10 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.16.14 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=Dom@f053153153.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.18.54 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 22.19.00 # * amiconn is slightly puzzled 22.20.10 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 22.20.16 Nick bluebrother^ is now known as bluebrother (n=Dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.21.32 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.21.49 # There are ways to stream live via a mobile phone with a camera... 22.21.51 # I thought the problem would be data alignment, but it rather seems to be code alignment... 22.23.30 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982175a9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-af6d3aa9a93bb13d) 22.23.37 # * gevaerts is going to commit his usb reorganisation, and hope for green deltas (and green compilations...) 22.24.39 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=Dom@f053152031.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.24.43 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 22.24.51 Nick bluebrother^ is now known as bluebrother (n=Dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.25.01 # * bluebrother curses network connection 22.25.47 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 22.26.41 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 22.26.49 # Www.beermex.com/rockhenge.jpg 22.27.07 # Stripwax_: Persmission issues 22.27.08 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.27.18 # *permission 22.27.31 Quit bertrik ("bye") 22.28.21 # has anyone else noticed that it takes quite a while for the Sansa backlight to come on when you push a button? 22.29.30 # saratoga: not on my c250 22.30.50 # * Stripwax_ sighs 22.31.34 # on the e200 its quite noticable 22.31.41 # about 1-2 seconds 22.31.55 # It seems to depend on certain settings, not on target 22.32.42 # It's been reported for all sorts of targets, but I don't see it on any of my targets 22.34.02 # i presumed it was because we power off the entire LCD on the sansa 22.34.14 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.34.20 # * gevaerts forgot to disable USB_SERIAL in his last commit... 22.35.10 # saratoga: I see it too. Apparently a threading/priority issue, according to jhMikeS (IIRC). 22.35.47 # Try now. It looks like turd, mind. I blame tmobile 22.36.30 # Stripwax_: A fine tower :) 22.36.51 # spiderTower 22.38.13 # How many players are in there ? 22.38.35 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.38.36 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 22.38.36 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-219-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.38.44 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-219-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.38.54 Quit bruges ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") 22.39.09 # stripwax: nice tower. Too bad the image isn't better 22.39.40 # * gevaerts wonders why the aspect ratio seems off 22.40.56 # hmm my file brower isn't working 22.41.00 # but database works fine 22.41.05 # anyone noticed this before 22.41.33 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.41.38 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-75-16-159-149.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 22.43.49 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.43.50 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-215-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.43.53 Quit corevette ("Leaving") 22.44.00 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-215-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.45.42 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 22.45.59 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 22.46.34 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=Dom@f053153063.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.48.45 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.48.46 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-255-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.48.56 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-255-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.49.26 Quit bluebrother^ (Client Quit) 22.51.47 Quit Stripwax_ ("jmIrc destroyed by the OS") 22.52.54 # saratoga: maybe you managed to change your file view to playlists or so? But I don't know exactly what you mean by "my file browser isn't working"... 22.53.17 # Okay, the PP5002 crash problem is definitely located in thread.c 22.53.52 # Now one can see there is a reason why I always complain about the complexity in the scheduler :\ 22.54.15 # Complexity _anywhere_ is suspicious 22.54.30 # amen 22.54.42 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.54.43 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-230-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.54.53 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-230-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.55.22 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 22.57.21 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5pre/2008030607]") 23.00.10 # pixelma: thanks 23.00.38 # Lear: pausing music seems to eliminate the long pause for back light on my sansa, while playing high bitrate mp3s can make it last as long as 4 seconds 23.00.45 # so it would seem to be a scheduling issue 23.00.54 # perhaps the backlight thread needs a higher priority 23.01.49 # It seems to me that since the prio scheduler was introduced we have slowly been bumping the priority for more and more threads... 23.05.12 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.07.31 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 23.07.48 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.11.24 # Problem further tracked down: it's within switch_thread() 23.11.37 Quit Zarggg_ (SendQ exceeded) 23.11.43 # * petur gets reminded of a young rookie at work introducing different priorities in a project to solve issues that turned out to have completely diifferent causes, and using priorities brought loads of extra troubles.... 23.12.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.15.11 # hehe 23.15.19 # I've been through that exact experience 23.15.37 # "what if we put the jobs in different queues based on prio"... 23.16.26 # Once people ask "what does priority mean ?", they starts to understand 23.17.08 # Bagder: I pinged you earlier... do you have an idea why the build system sometimes doesn't pick up commits? 23.17.16 # nope 23.17.21 # but I've seen it happen 23.17.26 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 23.17.48 # r16539 wasn't picked up... 23.18.09 # Does it perhaps check file types? 23.18.18 # That commit only included .S files 23.19.15 # no, it just does "svn up | ./tools/svnupcheck.pl" 23.19.35 # and if that is non-empty, it is taken as a commit worthy of a rebuild 23.20.43 # odd... 23.21.03 # yeah, and annoying too... 23.25.36 # Are there some logs? 23.28.26 # Bagder: Also, what do you think about some interface to manually kick manual builds? (see log 20:01) 23.28.43 Quit MethoS-- ("Konversation terminated!") 23.30.03 # shouldn't be very hard to setup 23.30.31 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.30.49 Quit dan_a (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.32.08 Join webguest82 [0] (n=84cb6736@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-962db97380a87dc2) 23.35.03 Quit webguest82 (Client Quit) 23.37.06 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 23.37.14 Quit gregzx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.37.17 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 23.40.42 # amiconn: I tested setting powermanagement right after reset as first command - same error. Now I'm wondering if I should issue something before setting powermanagement. Would have been nice if word 85 was filled in, but it is 0 :/ 23.41.14 # What card is that? 23.41.37 # adata 8gb x266 23.42.38 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.43 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 23.46.49 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@ip8061f498.host.ucla.edu) 23.47.27 # Do you know which of your cards fail on setting apm? 23.49.07 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.49.31 # I think they all do... was one of the very first things I tried 23.49.41 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-114-251.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 23.49.54 # the strange thing is there have been reports of adata cards working fine 23.50.31 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.51.00 # I think I'll borrow some cards from work for the weekend 23.51.11 # What irritates me is that word 85 is all-zero, although the (non-advanced) power management features should be enabled since it's mandatory... 23.51.51 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.52.00 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.53.08 # And word 82 bit 3 indicates that power management is supported 23.53.15 # yes, but 0 is allowed if not supported. I hate the fact that they are allowed to just not fill in certain values 23.54.02 # The card indicates that it conforms to ata-4 ... 23.54.19 # * amiconn only has ata-5, 6 and 7 standards as pdf 23.54.34 # some bits *must* be set in 85, so they are violating the spec :/ 23.55.03 # Well, unless ata-4 allows to leave them out... 23.55.03 # * petur still uses CF 4.1 as spec 23.55.25 # it says 'prior to ata-4' 23.56.11 # and 'Bit 14 of word 87 shall be set to one' 23.56.58 Quit seraph ("Ex-Chat") 23.58.00 # yes 23.58.09 # ah, my sandisk 1gb complies to that 23.58.42 # But also: "The value 0000h or FFFFh was placed in each of these words by CompactFlash Storage Cards prior to ATA-4 and shall be interpreted by the host as meaning that features/command sets enabled are not indicated." 23.58.54 Quit csc` ("Powering Off")