--- Log for 12.03.108 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.48 Quit tanjahreeen ("CGI:IRC") 00.02.01 # * gevaerts would add m:robe 100 to that list, but no-one knows when that will be ready either I guess 00.03.06 # yeah, just noticed myself that I forgot about that one. I only thought that "portalplayer targets" might be a bit abstract for a newbie... 00.04.57 # It might be, yes. And maybe even "portalplayer targets" would be too concrete, since once people figure out the correct enable magic, it should also work on iMX31 00.05.55 # ah, right 00.06.35 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 00.07.56 Join Kupopop [0] (n=huhu@69.229.196.91) 00.08.30 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 00.08.58 # I took apart my iriver H140 just now and noticed that there are RXD and TXD pads on the main board 00.09.24 Join tanjahreeen [0] (n=4427f7d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cdbb74aec1941b25) 00.09.25 # those are an unconnected UART running at 3.3V levels (IIRC) 00.09.33 # hi sorry i disconnected 00.09.37 # there is documentation about this in the wiki somewhere. 00.09.45 # okay I'll have a look thanks 00.09.51 # how do i connect my sansa with rockbox onto the pC? 00.10.08 # using a cable ;) 00.10.11 # i do 00.10.20 # but my pc does not recognize it 00.10.21 # you need to boot into the OF for disk access 00.10.30 # uhhh 00.10.36 # i dont know that that is 00.10.38 # turn it off and then connect 00.10.49 # ohhh 00.11.11 # the FAQ knows this ... 00.11.15 # or you could boot into the Original Firmware manually... 00.11.39 # wait 00.11.41 # actually 00.11.47 # i turned it off 00.11.56 # while the cabel was plugged in 00.11.59 # and sometimes you don't need to turn it off and it just reboots automatically 00.11.59 # and rockbox booted normally 00.12.08 # but 00.12.12 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.13 # it didnt show up 00.12.19 # on my pc 00.12.23 # did it boot into the OF? 00.12.38 # lol 00.12.38 # * bluebrother considers making the key column in the buttonmap fixed width 00.12.41 # sorry 00.12.46 # rotfl. 00.12.51 # can you tell me how to boot into the OF? 00.12.54 # could you please try to put one sentence on one line instead of 4 or 5? Makes it so much easier to read 00.12.59 # sorry, was just because. 00.13.08 # i dont know how to do it 00.13.14 # and i misunderstood you 00.13.14 # tanjahreeen: have you tried the FAQ? Or the manual? 00.13.20 # uhhh 00.13.21 # yeah 00.13.23 # but 00.13.26 # its kinda confusing 00.13.27 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.32 # the manual at least holds how to boot into the OF. 00.13.37 # kk 00.13.38 # thanks 00.13.41 # ill check it out 00.14.39 # kk 00.14.46 # i did the original firmware 00.14.52 # but when i do msc mode 00.14.57 # nothing happens 00.15.04 # turn your player off while the cable is not connected and then just connect. In case you have a microSD plugged it can happen that the original firmware starts but doesn't register the USB connection 00.15.37 # tanjahreeen: and please don't use the enter key so often - there is no need for that... 00.15.45 # sorry 00.15.51 # ok 00.16.09 # * bluebrother saw it again ... 00.16.13 # so i am in the "OF" i plugged my cable in... but nothing happens 00.16.27 Quit csc` (Connection timed out) 00.16.36 # do you have a microSD inserted? 00.16.39 # no 00.17.13 # so you're saying that you don't get the "connected" screen? 00.17.19 # no 00.17.29 # i mean yes that is what im saying 00.17.46 Quit seraph ("Ex-Chat") 00.17.46 # im thinking that my sansa thinks the cable is like a wall charger 00.17.59 Quit leox (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.32 # could you try to plug it again (leave the Original Firmware running) - maybe even try a different port on your computer? 00.18.54 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.55 # kk 00.18.56 # maybe there's a hub inbetween causing errors? 00.18.57 # ill try 00.19.08 # nope, no hub 00.19.34 # yay it worked 00.19.42 # i guess that usb prot stopped working 00.21.40 # thanks guys 00.25.26 # and by the way, is there a possibilty that i can keep my menu in english, but if my songs are in chinese, that they are displayed in my song list? 00.26.05 # the tracks are listed according to their tags (database) or filenames. 00.26.18 # how should we "translate" your tags` 00.26.25 # not translate 00.26.37 # like keep them and display them in their original characters 00.26.52 # well, name your files / tags accordingly. 00.27.06 # or, asking first: have you already tried? 00.27.50 # the tag is in chinese 00.27.57 # yes my songs are in chinese 00.28.15 # but rockbox is not displaying anything in place where chinese is the tag 00.28.25 # it is just blank 00.28.40 # you need to use a font that has these characters. Try unifont 00.28.41 Quit roolku () 00.28.59 # and depending on your tags you might need to select the correct codepage 00.30.04 # where can i find unifont? 00.30.38 # its part of the fonts package 00.31.05 # ok thanks i selected it, and it works thanks alot! 00.31.18 # * bluebrother sighs 00.31.44 # 1 question though, from now on do i have to select it when i turn it on? or is it default now 00.32.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 00.32.18 # lol 00.32.18 # why not try? ;) 00.32.32 # * bluebrother gets really tired by these FAQ questions 00.32.32 # nevermind i just tried it thanks you guys ill stop bothering you guys now 00.32.41 Quit shotofadds ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.32.41 # bye! 00.32.47 # * bluebrother goes building all manuals 00.32.48 Quit tanjahreeen ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.32.50 # * gevaerts also has a question... 00.33.07 # * bluebrother hides 00.33.09 # bluebrother: that's double... 00.33.27 Part toffe82 00.33.37 # gevaerts: you are supposed to log in as streaveg when you ask questions ;) 00.33.47 # LOL 00.34.04 Nick gevaerts is now known as streaveg (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 00.34.16 # * bluebrother awaits question 00.34.36 # Can any settting be put in a theme .cfg file, or is it limited to theme-related settings ? 00.34.54 # streaveg: a cfg can hold as much settings as it wants to 00.34.54 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-22-199.dsl.telesp.net.br) 00.35.07 # * streaveg is making a theme for gevaerts's gigabeat 00.35.14 Nick streaveg is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-136.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 00.35.25 # but putting non-theme settings in a theme setting might be confusing though ... 00.35.47 # (if you are going to distribute, that is) 00.36.11 # I promise not to distribute a theme that enables dircache :) 00.36.30 # scorche|sh: you might even confuse yourself if you load such a "theme" file a couple of weeks later and wonder why like the volume changed too ;) 00.37.08 # but technically are theme files only a convenience thing 00.37.25 # bluebrother: i would REALLY confuse myself if it did that as i never listen out of the headphone port and only out of the line out ;) 00.37.31 # Actually on the sansa c200 screen, it might make sense to include brightness/contrast settings 00.38.04 # gevaerts: I think it wouldn't - someone else's screen might be different... 00.38.40 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.38.56 # * bluebrother looks for a slightly breakable space in LaTeX 00.39.22 # there is that of course. Especially on sansa, where nobody seems to know what parts are included in what player... 00.39.28 # gevaerts: or even someone else's eyes or "watching habits", if I think of how different people adjust the colour settings of a TV for example 00.39.40 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 00.40.05 # * gevaerts probably wouldn't be a good theme builder 00.40.09 # and if they happen to listen in their bed at night or in their car in the daytime 00.40.29 # bluebrother: "slightly breakable space"? 00.40.33 # They should use different themes for day and night ! 00.40.48 # gevaerts: actually, i do sometimes... ;) 00.40.50 # yeah, something that _could_ get broken but is preferred to get not 00.40.56 # gevaerts: automatically chosen by daytime? 00.41.03 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-FOURTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU) 00.41.16 # DAPs need light sensors! :) 00.41.17 # I'm fiddling with the button tables -- the long alternate lists require some change here 00.41.29 # maybe that could be a use for the ambient light sensor on PrototypeB!...measure the light and adjust your theme accordingly 00.41.36 # Nico_P: hah 00.41.38 # pixelma: automatically chosen by users mood ;-) 00.41.57 # ... which can be determined from what's playing 00.42.17 # pixelma: check the button table for the virtual keyboard in the e200 manual :/ 00.42.17 # perhaps we could have a device that goes on one's arm and changes their theme by their pulse 00.42.40 # * scorche|sh waits for AAP support to come in so such a device can be possible ;) 00.42.41 # (i.e. the output) 00.42.44 # or a a camera and facial expression recognition 00.42.58 # the MR500 has a camera already ... 00.43.19 # yeah we just need to code the facial expression recognition... piece of cake! 00.43.31 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=82c20d6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eccf0a4cb6eac951) 00.43.45 # and here is the man to do it! 00.43.55 # after that we can turn it into an accelerometer 00.43.58 # bluebrother: do you mean the wide first colums, especially for "scroll back/ scroll forward" or the length of the table? 00.44.12 # yes. 00.44.18 # Actually, since some players have i2c on their dock connector, this ambient light sensor might be doable 00.44.24 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.31 # it makes the description somewhat unreadable 00.44.44 # bluebrother: yes, would be nice if thw width could be limited somehow 00.44.52 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.44.58 # but I think I have an acceptable solution now 00.45.16 # s/thw/the 00.45.35 # hmm, I need to admit that I kinda like having a splash screen in rbutil 00.46.01 # but no more on this as of today. Got work to do in a bunch of hours, should really go for sleep now. 00.46.40 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@75.35.72.30) 00.46.41 # same here, night 00.46.47 Quit bluebrother ("sleep ...") 00.47.05 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.36 # * gevaerts decides to join in the general sleepiness 00.47.54 Quit gevaerts ("goodnight") 00.48.05 Part pixelma 00.48.14 Quit jhulst (Connection timed out) 00.54.12 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 00.54.18 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e212-246-71-227.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 00.58.23 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.58.52 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@67.207.141.120) 01.00.46 Join Isolinear [0] (n=A@75-175-57-162.ptld.qwest.net) 01.08.11 Part SSnake 01.08.36 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 01.09.06 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.15.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.17.19 Join PinGuiN_-_XY [0] (n=jan@80.228.190.158) 01.20.40 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@rockbox/developer/barrywardell) 01.22.20 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.22.26 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.22.30 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.57 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.23.13 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 01.28.53 Join ryran [0] (n=ryran@adsl-1-180-13.clt.bellsouth.net) 01.31.39 Quit ryran (Client Quit) 01.31.55 Join ryran [0] (n=ryran@adsl-1-180-13.clt.bellsouth.net) 01.32.16 Part PinGuiN_-_XY 01.32.28 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 01.33.01 Quit ryran (Client Quit) 01.33.16 Join ryran [0] (n=ryran@adsl-1-180-13.clt.bellsouth.net) 01.35.14 Quit ryran (Client Quit) 01.35.27 Quit barrywardell_ () 01.36.08 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@98.216.170.85) 01.36.23 Part fasmaie 01.36.44 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@rockbox/developer/barrywardell) 01.36.45 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.47.13 Join Absinthe [0] (n=cawagons@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 01.47.23 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 01.52.23 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.30 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@e212-246-71-227.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 01.59.47 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.01.50 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.02.46 Quit barrywardell_ () 02.05.20 Quit ol_schoola () 02.06.28 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.09.10 Quit Absinthe ("Leaving") 02.33.42 Join Zieen_ [0] (n=KuoJi@207.199.230.26) 02.34.01 # Hi. I'm having some problems with rockbox utility identifying my player. Anyone around? 02.39.06 # Hmm I suppose I'll just ask my question and hope someone pops in. 02.39.39 # I have a Sansa e280 v1 (I assumed it's version 1, because I can put it into recovery mode). Rockbox won't autodetect it. Do I have to be in recovery mode to install rockbox? 02.40.47 # Zieen_, you have the sansa in msc or mtp mode or is it a e200r? 02.40.51 # And can I dual boot with the automatic install 02.41.06 # it's an e100 and its in recovery mode atm 02.41.28 # I just put it into recovery. Didn't want to try and install right now because i wasn't sure if it was safe 02.41.49 # restarting it now 02.41.51 # is it a e100 or e200? 02.41.56 # e200 02.42.06 # it's in mtp 02.42.15 # do i want msc to install rockbox? 02.42.18 # use msc mode 02.42.22 # ok thanks 02.42.30 # and i can get dual boot through automatic installation, correct? 02.43.03 Quit japc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.43.24 # you will need to use dual boot till the usb support for the pp based players is out 02.43.45 # ok. windows is demanding I restart. Thanks for the help 02.44.00 Quit Zieen_ (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 02.49.13 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.49.19 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.50.17 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.53.42 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.54.29 Join blackk [0] (n=bblack@38-118-35-20.rapiddsl.net) 02.55.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.132.32) 02.58.49 Join Zieen_ [0] (n=KuoJi@207.199.230.26) 02.58.54 # Hi. I'm back with more problems 02.59.39 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529889.dsl.bell.ca) 03.00.05 # Configuration autodetects my e200, but I have to specify the mount point manually. No problem. However, when I try to install the bootloader it says No Sansas found. 03.00.17 # I'm in MSC mode currently. Do I have to be in recovery to install the bootloader? 03.00.26 # no 03.00.49 # what sansa firmware do you have on the sansa right now 03.01.02 # nvm 03.01.06 # I had to restart the rockbox utility lol 03.01.48 Join HellDragon_ [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 03.02.29 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 03.03.09 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 03.03.15 Nick HellDragon_ is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 03.03.26 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Remote closed the connection) 03.06.55 Quit ol_schoola () 03.09.09 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-231-36-90.tukw.qwest.net) 03.14.25 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-67-190-234-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.15.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.17.17 Join tedr0ck [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 03.17.23 Quit tedr0ck (Remote closed the connection) 03.17.29 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-156-13-161.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.20.31 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.23.14 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.26.00 # How do you enable dual boot? 03.27.38 # the manual covers that. 03.27.40 # have you read the manual 03.27.42 # hmm 03.27.52 Quit tedrock (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.27.54 # oh not the rockbox utility manual the normal one 03.29.49 Quit Zom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.43.15 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 03.48.04 Quit Zieen_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 03.48.53 Quit csc` ("Powering Off") 03.49.59 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 03.58.06 Quit Kupopop (" ") 04.18.26 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.18.33 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF4798.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.23.28 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.37.43 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.41.37 Join RunningUtes [0] (n=Michael@75-163-36-194.sxcy.qwest.net) 05.01.59 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 05.04.00 Part RunningUtes 05.08.47 Quit Isolinear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.49 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 05.10.52 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 05.15.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.37 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.17.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF48D0.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.19.17 # JdGordon: ping 05.19.24 # pong 05.19.27 # replying to the thread 05.19.34 # recording screen has me salivating 05.19.36 # and runnning out in a min 05.19.37 # :-) 05.20.09 # I'm going to go to Guitar Center (massive retailer) and check out the high end recording devices tomorrow (time permitting) 05.20.29 # see if there is anything we're missing. I doubt it though. 05.20.39 Quit FOAD (Remote closed the connection) 05.21.55 # OMG it's very late. Good night. I'll respond to the thread tomorrow as promised. 05.22.05 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 05.27.17 Join WeaponX [0] (i=Prisoner@dsl-207-112-82-106.tor.primus.ca) 05.27.19 # hiya 05.27.50 # quick question, when updating to a newer version of rockbox, is there a way i can update without loosing my settings and stuff like game highscores? 05.28.38 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.3.3 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 05.28.48 # how are you currently updating? 05.29.09 # well i was going to replace the .rockbox folder with a new one 05.29.10 # XD 05.30.41 # just extract over the folder as the manual says 05.31.07 # but wont that delete all my previous settings, files, etc? 05.32.06 # no 05.32.30 # alrighty thanx 05.32.34 # it will replace the same files that are in the zip 05.41.36 Quit leox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.41.54 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 05.42.32 Join homielowe [0] (n=root@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 05.43.47 Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi) 05.45.34 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.46.07 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 05.46.11 Join homielowe [0] (n=root@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 05.47.22 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 05.47.53 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 05.54.17 Join homielowe [0] (n=root@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 05.54.53 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-37-118-212.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 05.55.48 Quit Ebert () 06.01.48 Quit WeaponX (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.03.18 Join echelon_ [0] (n=echelon@ool-182cc7a4.dyn.optonline.net) 06.03.33 # for some reason last night, i couldn't find fm radio in the menu 06.03.53 # and in debugging, it said there was no fm radio hw found 06.04.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.05.13 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.05.25 Join ol_schoola [0] (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.08.46 # echelon_, what player do you have? 06.09.01 # sansa c250 06.09.36 # but it's working now though 06.09.43 # i thought i was going crazy 06.11.06 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 06.12.19 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-231-36-90.tukw.qwest.net) 06.12.21 Part hcs 06.17.35 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@82.93.10.238) 06.18.20 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.20.02 Quit FOAD_ (Client Quit) 06.25.15 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-37-118-212.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 06.29.38 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.29.49 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.42.07 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.46.55 Nick Neskaya is now known as hugglehug (i=featherd@wiktionary/neskaya) 06.50.04 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.04.17 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 07.04.23 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.09.35 Part toffe82_ 07.14.55 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.15.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.16.00 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.29.19 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.41.41 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.42.41 Join oxygen77 [0] (n=c1c28427@gateway/web/cgi-irc/sourpuss.net/x-99c80e42f35c0a7e) 07.56.44 Quit oxygen77 (Remote closed the connection) 08.01.07 Join homielowe [0] (n=root@d207-81-67-190.bchsia.telus.net) 08.03.39 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-247-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.05.45 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.07.40 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 08.09.04 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.11.34 Join Phill [0] (n=irc-Mar2@5ac47d91.bb.sky.com) 08.11.36 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD05A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.11.44 Quit Phill (Client Quit) 08.12.54 # jhMikeS: Hmm, why is this explicit locking necessary? 08.13.02 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 08.13.26 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.13.36 # disk_mount() accesses the card in the regular way 08.14.08 # And the unmount case doesn't touch the card at all... 08.21.50 # actually I need to step up and lock fat before that. I can also combine the two cases. 08.22.31 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.22.56 # you also don't want the .initialized and .retry to be touched during access 08.24.26 Quit homielowe () 08.24.34 # What else would touch them? 08.25.10 # Also, what could cause SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED without an intermediate SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED? 08.26.29 # insert card, pull card, reinsert, within timeout duration...which I could make it do and lose the ability to mount the card permanently 08.27.44 # I'm asking because the Ondio handles hotswap exactly this way without any extra locking, and I've never seen any problems resulting from that 08.30.00 # Actually, it does one extra thing in the hotswap monitoring tick - it resets the 'initialized' flag on extract 08.30.08 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.58 # That's an oversight from my side - the equvalent place would be the 'else' case in sd1_oneshot_callback() 08.31.00 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.32.00 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.33.05 # my testing is rather abusive and proper unmount and sync ensure it always releases files mounts properly no matter what sequence happens 08.39.23 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.129) 08.43.19 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.43.24 # * amiconn also tried quite hard to make it fails, but didn't manage to do so even without those extra measures... 08.46.40 # * jhMikeS managed to kill it in about 30 seconds by deliberately producing certain sequences 08.47.30 # i assume that the race is about a thread using the disk while it is pulled, right? 08.48.27 # Hmm, weird 08.50.26 # LinusN: pulled or inserted 08.50.45 # how can the disk be used when it is inserted? 08.51.32 # do a resume on a file that resides on the SD card while having the insert timeout pending 08.52.28 # so, insert, resume, pull, insert 08.56.30 # * LinusN spots a coding guidelines violation: tCardInfo 08.57.04 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.t-2.net) 08.57.50 # hasn't that been there for ages? 08.58.26 # it sounds like a name used in a data sheet or similar 08.59.06 # (that sometimes makes rules violations more sensible) 08.59.38 # committed 8 months ago by a dude called jethead71 :-) 09.00.05 # LinusN: did you send out the hit team yet? 09.00.12 # LinusN: Indeed. I just left it as is. 09.00.26 # * jhMikeS didn't name it 09.00.44 # Bagder: i told them to wait outside for my signal 09.01.04 # * jhMikeS runs for the bunker 09.01.32 # Ahem, /me named it, back in 2004 09.01.35 # * amiconn hides 09.02.06 # it's good that it is prefixed by a "t", how else would i know that it is a type? :-P 09.04.54 # Dates back to the first working Ondio MMC driver... 09.05.29 # CamelCase is a capital crime ;) 09.08.29 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.10.07 # amiconn: and you managed to escape the hitmen for al these years - impressive :-) 09.15.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.17.23 # Shall I remove it? 09.18.09 # not that it' 09.18.12 # I think even the typedef ins't necessary, as that type is neither used in very many places, nor is it a function type 09.18.29 # s high prio, but it would be good if it was cleaned 09.18.50 # (with functions, not using a typedef can be a pita) 09.19.26 # I think just 'struct card_info' will do here 09.19.36 # sounds much nicer 09.25.54 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 09.34.53 # * jhMikeS hates circular init depedencies (a card insert at the wrong time can make disk_mount be called before fat_init is called) 09.41.04 # You mean at boot? 09.41.27 # yes 09.41.40 # unlikely but possible 09.42.03 # On Ondio, MMC hotswap monitoring isn't enabled right from the beginning, e.g. for that reason 09.42.15 # It's explicitly enabled later 09.42.59 # * jhMikeS doing a crackdown on repeat kernel object inits (which are really bad to do and appeared in fat.c and in the pp i2c) 09.43.32 # see disk.c:disk_mount_all(), hotswap.h, and ata_mmc.c 09.44.27 # No need to do sophisticated mutexing here. Just make sure things happen in the correct order 09.44.28 Quit Rick ("I don't need to be here.") 09.44.38 # LinusN: pm_ping 09.44.57 # amiconn: for that the e200 should follow suit 09.48.11 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/developer/desowin) 09.50.09 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-189-11-16.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 10.10.52 # Bagder: those 0x10 bytes starting with "aa bb ff ee" are indeed some marker 10.13.14 # would it be okay to me to put those 16 bytes and zsi_fw output on wiki? 10.13.23 # sure 10.13.43 # could the other parts of the 0x10 bytes be addresses? or counters? 10.14.44 # sounds like adresses 10.14.56 # and some bytes are displayed by zsi_fw 10.16.23 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@acct.icf.org.ru) 10.19.06 # wiki updated 10.24.02 # the last 32 bits is obviously the length 10.24.07 # 00 38 1b 00 10.24.31 # excluding the header itself 10.26.00 # since the .srr file is 1B3810 bytes 10.27.09 # quite possible the 32 bit value at offset 4 is an address where the data is put 10.27.26 # or something 10.28.46 # 04400020 is ~71MB... 10.30.27 Join retarded [0] (i=sucka@CPE00012e15cab1-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 10.31.03 # is degrading a crime or unacceptable by society? is it smart or stupid to degrade as a money wise person in mind? 10.31.18 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.31.18 # you're indeed retarded... 10.31.29 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 10.31.30 Kick (#rockbox retarded :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 10.31.56 # that was quick ;) 10.32.09 # it was so obvious he came here to troll 10.34.03 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.34.53 # Good morning all 10.35.53 # morning 10.36.45 # My coworker told me he won't be able to get the PCF50607 datasheet for me : his contacts are in the wrong nxp division (ironically, they're in the DAP-chip division..). So it's either mailing nxp directly, or figuring it out from lots of measurements. 10.37.12 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 10.37.35 # The Mini G2 has PCF50605. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to do these measurements :( 10.37.45 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.38.04 # desowin: hey 10.38.09 # "Loading: 1008000 16809984 1754944" 10.38.15 # When dissecting the Mini G2, it's necessary to discommect the wheel. It stays in the case 10.38.15 # that 1008000 is found in the header 10.38.19 # yeah 10.38.23 # all three are 10.38.26 # just 10.38.27 # indeed 10.38.36 # 16809984 = 0xffffffff 10.38.52 # So I dont know how to operate the Mini while it's opened... 10.39.16 # ah not, you pasted the vmlinux marker 10.39.20 # my mistake 10.39.31 # ah right, but still 10.39.50 # 4294967295 is 0xffffffff 10.40.04 # yeah, it was just what I wanted to say 10.44.28 # also vmlinux is /dev/mtd2, and initrd is /dev/mtd3 as it can be seen in "fupdate" script in initrd 10.47.48 Join whoever_ [0] (n=whoever@84.74.51.186) 10.49.20 # Would it make sense to do this on a 4G, color or photo ? Or would that change too many variables at the same time (both PP5020 and PCF50605) ? Of course I'd need to get one first. 10.50.13 # desowin: btw, it uses an openssl version with numerous known vulnerabilities, if you ever feel like getting access through that means 10.50.23 # s/that/those 10.50.56 # could we write patcher that uses those? ;) 10.51.09 # I think you can 10.52.09 # gevaerts: Could you get hold of the PNX010x datasheets? IIUC, no-one has found them yet... 10.52.16 # there's at least one buffer overflow in the list that sounds like it can be used 10.52.35 # "A buffer overflow was discovered in the SSL_get_shared_ciphers() utility function. An attacker could send a list of ciphers to an application that uses this function and overrun a buffer." 10.52.58 # ah, good old fashioned hacking 10.53.55 # linuxstb_: I can always ask. 10.56.19 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpna083.ugent.be) 11.05.07 # what happened to the commit summaries when you click the time on the build table? 11.05.37 # linuxstb: I assume you found http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/PNX0161_1.pdf ? It only seems to contain pinout info unfortunately 11.06.12 # * gevaerts reads again and sees an extra 0 in linuxstb's question 11.06.29 # the last revision that shows one is 16600 11.06.55 # oops 16601 11.09.20 # gevaerts: I'm just going by what's on this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilipsPNX0101 11.09.56 # is this phenomenon just somehow /me or did I miss a conversation about it? :) 11.11.09 # jhMikeS: it is known, I think they (Bagder,Zagor) are working on it 11.14.33 Join BoD[] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 11.14.38 # Hello ! 11.15.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.15.29 # hey... Yesterday I subscribed to the mailing list, and posted a msg, but it seems it was not received (doesn't appear on the archive page). Any idea? 11.16.44 # which mailing list was it? 11.17.03 # rockbox@cool.haxx.se 11.19.03 # you seem to be subscribed allright 11.19.18 # hmmm 11.28.44 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@rockbox/developer/barrywardell) 11.29.23 # Bod[]: does your mailclient use the same 'from' address as the one you subscribed? 11.30.42 # petur: actually that was the problem. LinusN helped me on a private window 11.30.43 # petur: we sorted it out in a private channel 11.30.55 # ah ok 11.30.56 # :-) 11.31.52 # I thought I was clever with my fancy tmda email addresses ;) 11.32.04 # but that's not so good with mailing lists 11.38.56 # jhMikeS: (1) disk.c line 107 can be shortened to #ifdef HAVE_HOTSWAP (2) Could you explain why the fat driver needs locking? 11.40.16 # Oh, and there's yellow 11.42.25 # 1) Yes, it should be that (after more looking) 2) ata is sometimes used without the sectore cache involved. 3) I'm trying to straighten out the yellow nicely. 4) The hwcodec targets don't need that function so what to do there 11.44.26 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 11.46.05 # is chrisjs162216 from anythingbyipod here? 11.46.55 Part LinusN 11.50.04 # I'm refering to "You'd need the signature for the bootloader to accept the firmware" 11.50.34 # either he didn't have connect in hands ;) or he found out something important 11.51.48 # as the .sig file is just gpg signed platform file, and it's being checked by thing that lies in initrd, and hence I assume patching initrd would help us :D 11.55.46 # anyone feel like making the peak meters work in the sim? 11.56.54 # I thought they did some random signal? 11.57.29 # hmmm not anymore 11.58.02 # thats what I was hoping, but yeah... its boring and not showing anything 11.58.38 # weird, I can remember adding the output of rand to it 11.58.44 # * petur peeks at the code 11.58.52 # if there's anyone familiar with compressed romfs, and is willing to help, please pm me 11.59.57 # ah, amiconn removed that in r14650 12.00.50 # * petur wonders why - SWCODEC doesn't have real signal inputs on the sim, right? 12.01.07 # JdGordon: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/recorder/peakmeter.c?r1=14467&r2=14650 12.01.28 # thats an odd diff 12.01.37 # accidental commit maybe? 12.01.39 # amiconn: ping 12.01.52 # no, the commit message mentions this 12.02.51 # works fine in the sim... 12.03.16 # I know it worked, I added it 12.03.36 # why the srand every call though? 12.03.43 # maybe there are plans to let the sim record 12.03.45 # not that it would change anything 12.04.16 # JdGordon: it was actually the result of some debug code.... 12.04.26 # commented them out and now its nice and random 12.04.47 # so rec screen is now 3 lines, peak meters at sysfont height then the list 12.05.06 # top is forced to sysfont if ui font doesnt allow for it 12.05.17 # JdGordon: one important thing: we want to get rid of sysfont for the recording screen 12.05.20 # and list is sysfont if < 2 lines 12.05.31 # well.. if it doesnt fit its needed 12.05.38 # ah well 12.05.59 # * JdGordon hopes to have some screenies up in the next few hours 12.06.10 # maybe a translation problem... want to get rid of those LANG_SYSFONT_ things 12.06.56 # JdGordon: I will not be of much help - gone on a ski trip in 5 hours, back on monday 12.07.19 # yeah, those langs suck 12.07.22 # and have fun :) 12.08.13 # do we need some small tasks for gsoc applicants to prove they can compile rockbox and write some simple code? 12.08.28 # JdGordon: many users also want bigger peakmeters.... 12.08.36 # markun: yes 12.10.54 # petur: like how big? user font size? 12.11.37 # I don't know, I just remember it being a popular feature of the REP. at least double of what they are now, I think 12.12.30 # JdGordon: might do a bit of screen redesign while or after your changes 12.13.07 # * JdGordon was hoping for more input from the forum thread... 12.15.16 # * petur running out of time :( 12.16.49 # bbl, gone to lunch(); 12.22.27 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 12.24.33 # petur: (and nayone interested)... http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9784/dump0001xg2.png 12.29.06 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 12.31.29 # * jhMikeS is having an awful day with the red :\ 12.37.11 # your score keeps getting higher :) 12.37.49 # does anyone know why the commit logs are empty? http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080311T194013Z.html 12.38.33 # this is like playing whack-a-mole 12.41.13 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.43.10 # markun: iirc scripts got moved 12.47.06 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 12.47.21 # petur: Randomising the peakmeters that simple way makes them random for both recording and playback. I disabled this for swcodec to make the peakmeters work properly in the wps 12.47.44 # fair enough... ok 12.50.08 # Hi together - my iAudio X5 with the current daily build can not start even with up to 30% accu. There is always the message that there is to less battery. Can I change that (sorry for my english, I'm German:)) 12.52.46 Join PinGuiN_-_X1 [0] (n=jan@host-091-096-144-047.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.53.23 Part PinGuiN_-_X1 12.53.38 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FC24B45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.53.38 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.53.46 Quit ol_schoola () 12.54.19 # * DerPapst wonders how JdGordon got the list start below the peakmeters... 12.56.32 # * JdGordon just happens to be a genius :D 12.56.36 # also... viewports 12.58.53 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.200) 13.00.38 # i tried that too... i defined a viewport and throwed the list in there... but it doesn't work ;-P 13.02.35 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 13.02.50 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.08.53 # * amiconn would like to see the viewport list problems fixed first :/ 13.09.21 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.09.51 # jhMikeS: I still don't understand why the sansa needs fat locking, while the Ondio doesn't 13.10.54 Quit barrywardell_ () 13.13.06 # maybe the ondio does but I haven't evaluated the threading concerns there at all 13.14.50 Join EternalRains [0] (n=unknown@c-76-18-225-211.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 13.15.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.15.43 # DerPapst: its a bit fiddly atm, but its doable 13.16.05 # you need to set the parent viewports in the list struct before drawing it the first time 13.17.06 # * JdGordon wonders if amiconn looked at the flyspray task /me asked him to yesterday which would fix the BB list issue 13.19.41 Mode "#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 13.20.05 # JdGordon: ah.. thanks. I'll try it out :-) 13.22.41 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet27.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.23.21 Nick magicthr1e is now known as magicthree (n=Banana@87.106.78.187) 13.24.36 # concurrent programming has a major peculularity - testing it doesn't prove it correct but only logical evaluation 13.25.48 Join agm3nt [0] (n=opera@81.26.6.5) 13.27.01 Quit magicthree ("Lost terminal") 13.27.48 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.30.44 # jhMikeS: What I don't understand is what could be concurrent here. 13.31.41 # That is, why could it be concurrent on Sansa but neither on other swcodec targets nor on Ondio, or rather, why a potential concurrency would be a problem here 13.32.45 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.33.22 Part EternalRains 13.34.44 # JdGordon: maybe the order of things needs changing, having the peakmeters so close to the list (border of VP) doesn't look good... 13.35.12 # amiconn: woops (re random peakmeters in sim) - I only focussed on recording ;) 13.35.28 # I tihnk having it there would make it obvious the top text isnt part of the list... 13.35.40 # it can be moved a few pixels down to add a gap if needed 13.37.33 # fair enough 13.38.24 # a disk access while mounting from the ata thread changing the initialized/sd_info status being the main reason. 13.39.27 # Well, while the ata thread mounts, nothing else can access the disk because disk accesses are already mutexed. I wonder what I'm missing here... 13.39.58 Join webguest12 [0] (n=c8695251@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-31d9c2d8e221ee16) 13.40.13 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 13.40.54 # Hi... is usb fully working for e200 and is it enabled by default now? 13.41.05 # no and no :-) 13.41.43 # so what does not work (or not work good) at the moment? 13.41.52 # you can be sure that it will be mentioned on the front page once it's enabled by default. 13.42.25 # webguest12: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for status details 13.42.28 # signla quallity and corruption on write 13.42.48 # ok... thx 13.45.22 # * gevaerts notices that some of the minor issues on that page are fixed now. Editting... 13.46.29 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@87.81.195.5) 13.47.38 # * gevaerts removes a 't' 13.47.38 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.49.06 # gevaerts: Btw, should rockbox return from the usb screen when the device is 'safely removed' in Windows? 13.50.16 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 13.50.58 # I think it currentlt won't (I use the eject command to trigger this, and I don't think windows sends that on safe remove"). It probably should, I guess. 13.52.03 # * linuxstb_ wonders how the Apple firmware handles that (without ipodservice.exe installed) 13.53.17 # desowin: when you reported the write error on your sansa last month (the one with the two shifted bytes), was that on internal flash or on a microSD card ? 13.53.24 # amiconn: but we might be changing card_info/sd_status while it's in the middle of the protected code. also it prevents card mux switching while mounting which often requires one retry of the main card after mounting another card. 13.53.45 # uh? 13.53.52 # * DerPapst wonders how he can access the gui_synclist struct to change the parent viewport of a list within a plugin... 13.54.09 # Does the SD driver not protect all card access with a mutex? 13.54.32 Quit webguest12 ("CGI:IRC") 13.54.40 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 13.54.50 # gevaerts: heck if I remember, sorry, but I think both gave me problems... 13.56.18 # desowin: I should have asked back then I guess, but I only found out that this was not a USB bug later unfortunately. I ask because I don't seem to have that error on internal flash but only on microSD on c200. 13.59.24 # * gevaerts was still new then, and assumed that all other rockbox code worked perfectly 14.00.02 # heh 14.00.33 # you make it perfect ;-) 14.00.43 # gevaerts: kgb2008 from meizume figured out the addresses of the USB host and device parts of the SA58700, so now we can start checking if they match the S3C2443X datasheet. 14.01.46 # Good news. So I guess no rest for me again this week ;) 14.01.57 # ;) 14.02.05 # amiconn: it won't if you change protected card information outside it 14.03.21 # DerPapst: the list struct should be a local variable... 14.06.42 Join webguest90 [0] (n=3ea13b0f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-90b621700a0163b2) 14.09.11 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 14.09.15 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.10.00 Join jenky [0] (i=foobar@210.4.230.62) 14.10.09 # hi 14.11.08 # hi jenky 14.11.40 # dumb question but whats a good music player i can get that will work well with rockbox? was thinking one of the gigabeats 14.13.09 # Gigabeat F works fine for listening to music 14.13.15 # and is not so expensive 14.13.49 # cool 14.13.57 # JdGordon: ah... but will that be used by MENUITEM_STRINGLIST and do_menu? 14.13.59 # jenky: here's a list we made: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 14.14.05 # and presumably with rockbox i could do stuff like flac, ogg..? 14.14.10 # thanks 14.14.55 # DerPapst: no 14.15.12 # jenky: yes, all of these players play ogg and flac with rockbox 14.15.50 # the newer gigabeat series seem like they might be supported well soon though? 14.15.55 # jenky: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status 14.16.26 # JdGordon: then i fear i don't understand how i can make the list apper where i want like you did in your recording screen experiment :-( 14.16.32 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 14.16.41 # jenky: yes, looks like it, but still it's impossible to predict how long that will be. Depends on the free time of the devs and their mood and luck 14.17.06 # DerPapst: you cant do that with the menu... only lists you setup 14.17.47 # cool i think i'll go chase down an F. thanks for your help markun 14.17.51 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.18.07 # i've a friend with one of the umm maybe F or X series, and she was rapt when i told her about rockbox 14.18.17 # her player works much better now 14.18.58 Quit jenky ("Leaving") 14.19.43 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.19.57 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.20.21 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 14.20.32 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.20.48 # JdGordon: ah... i hoped that it will work with menus too. thanks for the clarification :-) 14.21.16 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98215ac7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-382e99f72486b07e) 14.24.39 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2b80e6024a9055b8) 14.24.43 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.25.10 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FC24B45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.27.11 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 14.27.19 Quit mcuelenaere (Client Quit) 14.35.10 Join perrikwp|class [0] (i=98212e1e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0d153dfafdbf7fdc) 14.37.25 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.44.47 Quit perrikwp|class ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.44.52 Join perrikwp|class [0] (i=98212e1e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-85d11b479d88bb4f) 14.48.35 Quit whoever_ ("Bin dann mal weg - allen noch 'nen schönen Tag") 14.49.26 # petur: Do these changes to the recording screen mean you've given up on the idea of a customisable WRS? 14.49.54 # not completely ;) 14.50.39 # WRS can still be implemented later on (top items) 14.51.52 Join freqmod__nx [0] (i=freqmod@dhcp208-90.ed.ntnu.no) 14.51.55 # and anyway, it doesn't look like I will have more free time :/ 14.51.55 Quit freqmod_nx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.53.59 Quit webguest90 ("CGI:IRC") 14.54.39 # * gevaerts hands petur a box of free time 14.54.54 # if only you could.... 14.55.13 # and I will not take my laptop on the ski-trip ;) 14.56.15 # What ? No downhill coding ? 14.56.33 # I remember a time when LinusN told us he would be away for a while because he was going to cook on a ship. He ended up being in here pretty much every day :) 14.57.03 # yeah, curse wireless access :) 14.57.29 # How does Rockbox handle the genre tag for ID3v1? Is there a lookup table somewhere? 15.01.35 # yes 15.02.07 # Do you know offhand where it is located? 15.04.13 # firmware/id3.c 15.05.06 # Just search for Negerpunk... 15.07.28 # ah yes :) 15.09.51 # * gevaerts doesn't like id3 genres. MAXINT-3 kinds of rock, and then "Classical"... 15.14.37 # There are many problems with id3v1 genres. 15.15.23 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 15.15.25 # * Febs wonders, for example, if "porn groove" really requires its own genre. 15.15.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.15.58 # * petur still wonders about negerpunk 15.16.40 # "appears to have been added as a joke by the developers." 15.17.07 # * gevaerts looks for some christian gangsta rap 15.17.26 # gevaerts: And it actually exists. 15.17.51 # petur: I see there's no reference to that fact in the wikipedia article... 15.19.39 # * petur hands linuxstb_ some glasses 15.19.58 # Where is it? 15.20.14 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negerpunk 3rd line 15.20.36 # Yes, but there is no reference quoted. 15.20.51 # i.e. where did the wikipedia author get that information? 15.20.54 # ah... no no reference 15.21.02 # Here's a whole list of the genres: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/MP3-HOWTO-13.html#ss13.3 15.21.20 # petur: Sorry, my statement wasn't clear... 15.22.17 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@161.210.56.28) 15.22.36 # it was added by a user called 'Talk' 15.23.01 # frrrr 15.23.11 # not talk, just an ip address 15.24.44 # 'Talk' is a link lol 15.25.06 # I think it's Wtfiwant1now 15.25.07 # * petur is a bit wikipedia ignorant 15.28.15 Quit cnakiinjp (Remote closed the connection) 15.29.55 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.30.32 Join bnakifhll [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 15.34.01 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 15.36.23 Quit perrikwp|class ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.36.26 Part agm3nt 15.46.37 Quit leox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.46.37 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.47.16 Quit corevette (Remote closed the connection) 15.47.31 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 15.49.07 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-40a45c90bc01e924) 15.50.01 # is the new usb stuff enabled by default yet? 15.50.31 # impressive firmware: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/03/mpio-v10-touch-screen-pmp-plays-everything-with-style.php 15.50.43 # preglow: No. The major blockers are still there 15.51.05 # gevaerts: which are? 15.52.12 # markun: If it had FLAC support, it'd be the bee's knees. 15.52.26 # preglow: for usb mainly signal quality, and for sansa I don't want to enable it as long as the sd write bug is there. See also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb 15.52.42 # we have bad signal quality?? 15.53.23 # markun: so you are going to buy one ;) 15.53.28 # nope :) 15.53.30 # yes. bad enough to stop it from working on some setups 15.53.58 # gevaerts: i assume you don't know why? 15.55.03 # * preglow reads page 15.55.36 # Current hypothesis is that the USB transceiver isn't powered correctly. Comparing the output from the power management chip for rockbox and OF should help (working on that...) 15.56.35 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4E146.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.57.19 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 15.58.32 # * gevaerts expects a player that plays everything to support flac and ogg theora 16.01.21 # No lossless compression support at all by the looks of it... 16.01.42 # gevaerts: The one markrun showed us mentions OGG in the video codec section, so it must play Theora. 16.01.59 # And Ogg/FLAC... 16.03.12 # Where ? I can't find that 16.05.33 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 16.05.52 # gevaerts: so you know the tranceiver is powered by the pcf chip, then? 16.06.24 # gevaerts: and how are you working on that, btw? re? multimeter? 16.06.46 # preglow: we don't know it, but it's the simplest explanation. 16.07.24 # Multimeter+stereo microscope (which I want to put forward as my candidate for "oldest tool used for reverse engineering an ipod") 16.08.10 # * scorche|sh thinks "wedge" is a slightly older tool 16.08.21 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 16.08.44 # * gevaerts meant this specific microscope, not microscopes in general 16.10.18 # * petur is suddenly reminded of those guys that cracked a chipcard by opening the chip and looking at the gates through a microscope to RE the encryption 16.10.57 # why do you need a microscope? to look at the actual "wires" inside the ipod?? 16.10.57 # A stereo microscope isn't that unusual a tool for dealing with today's electronics 16.11.43 # BoD[]: I need to measure on pins that are 0.5mm apart. 16.11.58 # [IDC]Dragon used one for RE'ing the Ondio, soldering the backlight mod etc 16.12.01 # wow 16.12.14 # "respect!" :) 16.12.59 # I think the one I use is over 50 years old, but it's hard to check that. 16.13.17 # made in UdSSR? 16.14.07 # It says Leitz Wetzlar, made in Germany 16.15.07 # Germany or W. Germany? 16.15.14 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.15.21 # Germany 16.15.31 # probably not older than 20 years 16.16.33 # Looks like the one at the top of http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/3301894198258080_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://business.search.ebay.com/leitz_Lab-Equipment_W0QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsacatZ26231&h=80&w=77&sz=3&hl=en&start=32&um=1&tbnid=6X92KT_0UObxRM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=71&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dleitz%2Bstereo%2Bmicroscope%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN 16.18.03 # I got a problem with the database when an index file is openened/read multiple times from different threads; I traced down the problem in tagcache.c and it happens when get_next runs together with tagcache_search for example 16.18.41 # it can be reproduce on simulator, sansas and gigabeat; anybody have an ideea how to do a proper locking? or is it a problem with the file/disk driver? 16.19.33 # IIUC, the file/disk driver shouldn't be used in the sim, although maybe some of the very high level stuff is. 16.20.20 # linuxstb_: true, but even with sim_... functions the bug is there. so does that rule out a file/disk driver bug I guess 16.20.24 # gevaerts, since it says "Made in Germany", I think your microscope is post 1990. 16.20.46 # because from 1949 - 1990, Germany was slipt into east and westgermany 16.21.04 # Horscht: That company has been making microscopes since the 19th Century though... 16.21.07 # blackk: so there is write and read operations going on simultaneously? 16.21.25 # yes, but I doub't his microscope is older than 1949 :) 16.21.28 # Horscht: I know it's earlier than that. My mother's aunt used it in the 1970's 16.21.57 # ok, I am probably wrong then 16.22.15 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-247-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.22.33 # Slasheri: no, I found out that between a lseek and a read it can happen that there is another open and seek/read of the same file; that's when the problems show up, the first read will read garbage 16.23.12 # hmm, interesting.. i thought that shouldn't be an issue and that is allowed in the code too 16.23.33 # only read&write operations at the same time are prevented 16.23.36 # that's why I said maybe file/disk cause in theory it should work 16.24.21 # as long as they are different opens/different handlers 16.24.40 # indeed.. hmm, that needs some debugging 16.24.41 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 16.25.02 # how there can be two reads at the same time? 16.25.53 # if you build a simulator, go to database/album, long press select and do Playlist/Insert, it will try to read the album content in the same time it's inserting the file in the playlist 16.26.27 # I've only looked briefly, but don't both functions use the same fds? i.e. tcs->idxfd[] ? 16.26.29 # ah, and that happens only without db in ram? 16.26.43 # you need gather runtime data = on and load to ram = off 16.26.53 # linuxstb_: it might be, i will check that 16.27.09 # i have never used db much without loading to ram so that bug was hidden.. 16.28.02 # and there is another function that when run together with get_next cause the same problem: find_entry_disk 16.29.44 # if working with differed fds work well, than it's just about making seek&read operations atomic 16.32.07 Quit advcomp2019 ("+++ OK ATH OK") 16.32.50 # Concurrent reading should never be a problem in general. If it is in case of the db, maybe some function isn't reentrant? 16.49.27 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.49.58 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4F2D.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.51.43 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 16.54.57 # * petur walks off for some AFK holiday, back on monday 16.55.10 Quit petur ("gonne") 16.55.41 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 17.03.03 Quit m0f0x_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.13.40 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 17.15.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.34 # I've got Rockbox r16339 into a wacky state. It refuses to play anything - just sits on the WPS (track 1 of n) with no progress at all. If I select from the database, I get a playlist with a single entry "(ERR)". Voice is working, but something is very confused. 17.16.52 # Any ideas on any other info I could get out of it before I reboot? 17.17.06 Quit wisp_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.53 # pondlife: How'd that happen? 17.18.17 # Nothing special. I played an album through and it came to a natural stop (no auto-dir change or anything 17.18.26 # And now it won't start again! 17.18.56 # It says "No file!", even though the browser appears fine. 17.19.05 # pondlife: Which device did you get this wacky state on? I'll try one of my devices and see if it happens there. 17.19.09 # H300 17.19.14 # * LambdaCalculus37 picks up his 4G iPod color 17.19.19 # My guinea pig. 17.19.47 # Ah, dircache appears to have become uninitialised. 17.20.28 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 17.20.28 # Database stats all look ok though; iniitialised and in RAM 17.21.29 # Is that what caused this? 17.29.06 # I don't know 17.29.25 # I don't think it's meant to be possible for dircache to go from ok -> uninitialised 17.33.17 # topposting in the forums.. I think it's the first time I've seen that 17.33.44 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15355.msg118769#msg118769 17.36.35 # * gevaerts thinks he also didn't look at his this adapter very closely, if he had to "force" a ZIF connector 17.38.21 # pondlife: I updated to r16339 on my iPod color and I'm running an album right now. 17.38.35 # I'd guess this won't be reproducible 17.38.44 # Smells like memory corruption 17.39.11 # Guess I'll reboot and try again 17.39.51 # All right. I'll let you know if this wacky state happens on my iPod, though. 17.40.07 # I hadn't done much since the update/ROLO. Just a database > Album > (Random) selection or two, then play through 17.45.20 # Playing an album now; selected from Database > Album (Random) 17.46.33 Join mchua_ [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 17.47.30 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 17.48.09 Quit mchua (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.49.20 Nick mchua_ is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 17.49.45 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 17.50.36 # How do I invoke the charger in the SIM? 17.53.23 # Do any of the Archos recorders have hold switches? 17.53.58 # Davide-NYC: Hey there! 17.54.04 # Hello! 17.54.21 # To my knowledge, the Archos recorders don't have any kind of hold switch, neither in software nor in hardware. 17.55.09 # DeviceChart says that none of them have hold switches but I remember having to leave a space for a hold switch icon in the statusbar for Mmmm back when we put in the extra recording info. 17.55.36 # * Davide-NYC would confirmation as to why that might have been necessary 17.55.42 # * Davide-NYC *like 17.55.42 Quit DefineByte ("Bye all") 17.56.28 # Davide-NYC: If I recall, I read one time (again, can't confirm) that there was a trick to put the Archos into a "hold" state. 17.56.35 # * LambdaCalculus37 consults Google 17.58.01 # Davide-NYC: The JBRv1 seems to have a hold function; per the General FAQ on Archos' site: "Yes, to enable the HOLD function, press and hold the ON key for 3 seconds. This will activate the HOLD feature. To turn off, press and hold the ON for 3 seconds." 17.59.06 # Is there any support for a hold function in the Simulator? 17.59.46 # On most (if not all) other target simulators the "H" key invokes a hold condition. 18.00.09 # Yes, that's correct. 18.01.03 # * LambdaCalculus37 reads http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator but sees no mention of invoking the charger in the sim 18.01.29 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.02.01 # LambdaCalculus37: I don't thjink that's possible yet.. would be nice though 18.02.15 # Currently the sim just lowers then raises the battery level 18.02.31 # But even when the level is rising it's not "charging" 18.03.11 Quit Siku () 18.05.26 # pondlife: The hold function on the Archos JBRv1... think that's controlled by software? 18.05.36 # No idea 18.06.33 # Actually, it does seem to be. 18.07.34 # * LambdaCalculus37 confirms it by testing on his JBR 18.08.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 18.08.26 Part pondlife 18.08.36 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.129) 18.08.56 Nick LosNir[] is now known as LosNir (n=nirazuel@bzq-79-179-124-254.red.bezeqint.net) 18.09.59 Quit CyBergRind|w (Connection reset by peer) 18.09.59 # barrywardell: Hi. Can you remember if it was you that built the e200rpatcher.mac binary that's on the download server? 18.10.18 # I think it might have been, yes 18.11.51 # I don't have a Mac any more - could you put it in a .dmg file (like the other patchers are) ? There was a confused Mac owner who posted to the forums recently (it downloads as a ".mac" file, which none of his apps opened...) 18.12.16 Quit mcuelenaere () 18.15.06 Nick mchua|away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.15.54 # yeah, ok 18.17.27 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@rockbox/developer/barrywardell) 18.17.43 Quit Febs ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 18.23.03 # LambdaCalculus37: it is software...holding OFF should still work while "hold" is on 18.25.57 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 18.26.12 Join remotechief_311 [0] (n=markus@217-162-226-15.dclient.hispeed.ch) 18.28.09 # scorche|sh: Ahh, thanks. 18.28.26 # Davide-NYC, LambdaCalculus37: None of the supported archoses has a hold switch. Rockbox supports software hold on them 18.29.01 # linuxstb_: http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg 18.29.14 # amiconn: how do I invoke this on the Archos (ducks the RTFM command) 18.29.15 # It's a bit better than the OF method (didn't even know it had that!), as it uses a button combo for lock and unlock 18.29.27 # invocable in sim? 18.29.28 # On Recorder it's F1+Down 18.29.38 # It's only available in the WPS iirc 18.29.50 # not in WRS? 18.29.55 # Don't remember the combo for Player and Ondio, need to check 18.30.02 # No idea, actually 18.30.09 # Not working in the sim. 18.30.32 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.31.01 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.31.29 # Not available in the recording screen 18.31.38 # * amiconn tested on target 18.31.55 # the hold works in WRS in sim. 18.32.05 # * Davide-NYC tested in sim ;-P 18.32.23 # On Ondio it's Mode+Down, on Player Menu+Stop 18.32.57 # Do I risk damaging my ipod much if I step the PCF50607 outputs up and down one notch (usually 0.3V) every few seconds ? 18.33.05 # * amiconn thinks that source code lookup is faster than manual lookup :P 18.33.27 # * gevaerts thinks the source code has a better index 18.33.33 # gevaerts: I would only go down one step, and back to normal 18.34.00 # I think all that can happen this way is a crash 18.34.18 # * Davide-NYC thinks a bug report for hold support in WRS on targets without hold switch is going onto the tracker (unless it's already there) 18.34.38 # Davide-NYC: And the hold button combo for the Archos devices were all in their manuals. :P 18.35.07 # * Davide-NYC will not RTFM for HWCODEC players 18.36.00 # Do you expect problems if I do it repeatedly (i.e. keep going down and back up every second or so) ? I'd like to minimise interaction, since I need both hands for actually measuring 18.36.18 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 18.36.38 # * gevaerts doesn't think crashing is a "problem" in this context 18.37.01 # barrywardell: Thanks - I'll try and catch Bagder and point him to it... 18.37.08 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@static-71-166-233-112.washdc.east.verizon.net) 18.37.21 # * LosNir thinks that the contact spray is evaporating. 18.37.37 # It's slowly evaporating, really slowly. 18.37.38 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.37.39 Nick Rob222241 is now known as Rob2222 (n=Miranda@p4FDCD05A.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.38.29 Quit remotechief_311 ("Konversation terminated!") 18.41.52 # Request that FS#1055 be changed from a feature request to a bug. 18.42.22 Join schschsch [0] (i=undefine@59.15.55.40) 18.43.51 Nick mchua is now known as mchua|away (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.45.18 # Davide-NYC: why? 18.45.51 # it's an annoying behaviour, but that doesn't make it a bug 18.45.58 # Because the feature set is out of sync with the other target WRS and it need not be. 18.46.39 # IIRC (big if) there was lengthy discussion about trying to keep the WRS as consistent as possible across targets. 18.47.18 # Also, not having a hold switch for recording is a reasonable gripe. 18.47.29 # I'm not aware of that discussion -- but it doesn't make this a bug IMO. 18.47.43 # but I agree that it's something that's quite annoying 18.47.44 # k 18.47.48 # (the lack of it) 18.48.34 # * Davide-NYC friendly reminder that recording "can be" mission critical as opposed to playback which almost never is. 18.49.09 # * amiconn disagrees 18.50.00 # Playback is the main purpose of a DAP 18.51.13 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.51.26 # That depends on the person who bought it - they may consider it a DAR, not a DAP... 18.51.30 # sorry, let me redefine 'mission critical': Once an audio event happens and is *not* recorded it's gone forever. No backup can be made, unless one can travel back in time. 18.52.42 # mission critical would be data corruption (like MS Home Server) or the like. Skipping playback can be fixed (and have been) but a botched recording cannot. 18.53.01 # Davide-NYC: Tell that to a DJ... 18.53.44 # you're right of course. I'm just trying to illustrate my point 18.54.51 # * gevaerts thinks that discussions on whether this is a bug report or a feature request won't actually achieve anything 18.55.01 # excuse me but someone could tell me whether cop on portalplayer target is working well? 18.56.01 # schschsch: I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking if/how Rockbox uses it? 18.57.08 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 18.57.23 # just whether it is done properly or not 18.57.39 # debug screen shows something like 18.57.40 # Idle (0): 0% 18.57.40 # Idle (1): 53% 18.57.40 DBUG Enqueued KICK schschsch 18.57.40 # 0: (0) blah 18.57.40 # 1: (0) blah 18.57.40 *** Alert Mode level 1 18.57.40 # . 18.57.41 *** Alert Mode level 2 18.57.41 # . 18.57.43 *** Alert Mode level 3 18.57.43 # . 18.57.45 # 13: (0) blah 18.57.47 # Davide-NYC: I agree with those who say it's not a bug 18.57.57 # schschsch: please dont do that again...use a pastebin 18.58.21 # sorry for that... 18.58.59 # schschsch: Again, I'm not sure what you mean by "properly"... Rockbox reliably uses the COP, but only in a limited way (the mpegplayer plugin and the SPC codec). It can't run arbitrary threads on the COP. 18.59.13 # (mainly due to cache coherency issues) 18.59.53 # Maybe it isn't. But I think it is important for those people that use the Archos Recorder with Rockbox to record serious material. 19.00.02 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.37 # Davide-NYC: Are you sure? No-one has commented on that task in almost 5 years... 19.01.03 # ahh then that means previous 'kernel-on-cop' patch is deprecated and not used now? 19.01.25 # schschsch: That patch was committed a long time ago. 19.01.35 # (or at least, most parts of it) 19.01.37 # linuxstb: maybe there are just too few *involved* users? 19.02.15 # Davide-NYC: I'm just saying that no-one is crying out for that feature, so perhaps you're overstating its importance to people. 19.02.17 # and by users I mean the previously defined category 19.02.35 # linuxstb: perhaps 19.03.12 # the reason I mention it at all is that I'm trying to help tje devs with the WRS rework and every pixel counts on the recorder 19.03.20 Part schschsch 19.03.30 Join schschsch [0] (i=undefine@59.15.55.40) 19.05.03 # cheers all, gotta go 19.05.06 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") 19.05.09 # bye 19.05.48 Join mightybrick [0] (n=brock@74.211.9.113) 19.07.44 *** Alert Mode OFF 19.09.15 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A687C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.12.14 Part schschsch 19.15.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.15.53 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.23.00 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.25.39 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.26.57 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496780C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.27.04 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.42 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496780C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.28.07 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnd168.ugent.be) 19.29.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.29.46 # * gevaerts now has a non-booting ipod. luckily edm still works 19.30.47 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.132.32) 19.31.16 # gevaerts: EDM always works. :) 19.31.21 Nick mchua|away is now known as mchua (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 19.31.42 Part echelon_ ("Leaving") 19.32.07 # LambdaCalculus37: also if you have been messing with power levels ? 19.36.10 # gevaerts: Not 100% sure, but I believe so. 19.37.57 # gevaerts: Sounds like you're trying hard to break it though... 19.39.21 # It only shows the apple logo (unless I force it to EDM). Rerunning ipodpatcher doesn't help. I guess the firmware partition is corrupted. 19.40.06 # gevaerts: Try restoring it in iTunes. 19.40.28 # * gevaerts was hoping not having to install iTunes 19.41.08 # * LambdaCalculus37 doesn't know any other way of restoring the OF to an iPod, short of the FAT32 conversion for Macs 19.41.38 # Does itunes uninstall cleanly once I'm done with it ? 19.42.31 # gevaerts: No need to install itunes... 19.42.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 19.42.51 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3EFD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.43.12 # linuxstb: thanks. That looks much simpler 19.43.38 # linuxstb: D'oh... forgot about that page. Thanks for that. :) 19.46.16 # * amiconn usually keeps a dump of the MBR+firmware partition 19.47.01 # * gevaerts will soon have such a dump as well 19.51.41 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.53.37 # Actually it looks like it's just the FAT partition that's corrupted. fsck.vfat says it doesn't like 123 FATs. General lesson : don't try setting DCDC3 to 0xff 19.54.06 # * gevaerts goes to have dinner before continuing his attempts to destry this ipod 19.54.11 # *destroy 19.54.12 Quit Zagor (Remote closed the connection) 19.54.25 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 19.55.52 # gevaerts: DCDC3? That's a control register for the PP502x core voltage supply 19.56.47 # better not to be touched 19.57.50 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 19.57.58 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-242-6-101.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 19.58.04 Quit desowin () 19.58.30 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.58.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.58.53 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964A2A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.00.20 # gevaerts: hmm, seems like you switched off the core voltage supply via a ramp with using your setting. 20.04.54 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c50e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b081c01a012bda15) 20.05.15 Quit UncleRemus ("leaving") 20.05.16 Join argumentD [0] (n=argument@cpe-76-173-115-95.socal.res.rr.com) 20.05.17 # I played around with DCDC3 on the PP5024 20.05.25 Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@node-29-1.adsl.tula.net) 20.05.28 # was actually stable at most voltage for me 20.06.15 Part sitwon ("Leaving") 20.06.20 # saratoga: you are talking of the core voltage in general (DCDC1/2) or the config for ramps etc. (DCDC3/4) 20.07.00 # the core voltage 20.07.31 # also, i still like my idea of putting the bootloader in DRAM somewhere, letting the OF initialize all the voltages, and then branching back to the bootloader without rebooting 20.07.45 # ok. I also played with it on my 5.5G. Lowerin the voltage from 1.2V to 1.15V was unstable even at 24MHz 20.08.01 # then we could read out the pfc measurements 20.08.05 # err settings 20.08.22 # I didn't try 1.175V though -- but the savings would be really minor 20.08.33 # my 5024 crashed after an hour at 1.1v, but ran indefinately at 1.15 20.08.45 # yeah the difference was really small for me too 20.09.10 # 1.1v only saved ~1 or so ma over 1.2v as I recall 20.10.02 # 1mA saving would be great for a 5.5G iPod -> ~30min runtime 20.10.18 # I'm still not sure what's the purpose of the TEA1211 20.11.06 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.11.17 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.14.24 # saratoga: the pcf 's programmed output voltage has a precision of +/-3.5%. maybe the PP5024-internal power controller has higher precision? That could be a reason for a PP5024 running @1.15V and instabilities on my test.... 20.15.32 # It's probably just differences between individual units 20.16.03 # i'd expect better yeilds on the 55024 since its likely fabbed much later then the chip in your ipod too 20.16.27 # at least it sums up to: no reasonable savings and possible instability 20.16.34 # Did anyone try to dynamically adjust voltage? (as an experiment, not to be used in official builds) 20.16.59 # The drawback would be that boosting would take substantially longer 20.17.26 # would only make any sense, if we can lower the voltage when unboosted 20.17.39 # my tests were done unboosted 20.17.57 # in my case it would probably only save uA, so I didn't see much point 20.18.56 # Buschel: Ah ok. I thought you did real-world tests, i.e. playing music 20.19.15 # i did mp3 playback tests, but they're much harder with a DMM 20.19.31 # should probably use an ADC so that I can compute time averaged currents 20.19.35 # no, just doing some "test fps" and browsing around 20.20.08 # though i'm hesitant to try and insert a shunt resistor into my Sansa's power pins 20.20.13 # as this was unstable it didn't go further 20.21.00 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl) 20.21.20 # What I actually did was reading the value (which appeared to be 0), subtracting 1, and writing that back. My new version doesn't do that any more if the value is 0. 20.21.48 Join vlu3z [0] (n=9ea50556@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4ac954cc12d10b49) 20.22.11 # Is it safe to put RockBOX on my 5.5 iPod? 20.22.28 # sure 20.22.29 # gevaerts: you should check for the purpose of the registers. not all are directly used for power supply, but for setting additional configurations. 20.23.05 # It's perfectly fine? 20.23.09 # gevaerts: also the 3 most significant bits set the mode, the 5 least significant ones the voltage 20.23.51 Quit vlu3z (Client Quit) 20.23.55 # sure 20.25.23 # Buschel: I know. I'm considering playing with DCDC*, DCDEC*, DCUDC*, D*REG, IOREGC and LPREG1C. Of course, since we don't actually have a datasheet for the PCF50607, they might do something different 20.26.20 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.26.35 # I've changed a lot of registers on the sansa's powermanagement chip and never had a problem that rebooting didn't fix 20.26.55 # gevaerts: ouch, you're trying to do it the hard way 20.28.00 # gevaerts: when you say the USB signal quality is poor, do you mean voltage is off or something else? 20.28.59 # saratoga: I don't know exactly, since I can't get the port test mode to work that would allow exact measurements. 20.30.24 # gevaerts: is this something we could see on a network analyser ? 20.31.03 # though impedance matching might make that difficult either way, since i don't have any idea what the impedance of a USB cable is 20.32.04 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-23-189.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.32.33 Quit argumentD (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.33.05 # The problem is getting a usable signal to measure, which is what these port test modes do. Just using any traffic isn't easy, since you have to discriminate between host->device and device->host 20.34.03 # thats a good point 20.34.46 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-156-13-161.asm.bellsouth.net) 20.38.19 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 20.40.30 # Rockbox doesn't seem to want to boot anymore on this ipod. 20.41.18 Join Klevi [0] (i=balh@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 20.42.01 # * gevaerts wonders if two bootable partitions are a good idea 20.42.27 # Question about a 4th gen ipod. It heats up. Would that cause it to freeze or not write to the HDD properly? 20.45.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.45.39 # i doubt that a small DAP can produce enough heat 20.45.56 # my 5gen usualy gets a little bit warm as well, not hot, though 20.48.31 # ... hmm maybe an example will help.. if you overcharge a cell phones battery, hot. **tries to think of other things that get that warm** 20.48.55 # it feels abnormal, for it to be that temperature. 20.49.14 # Klevi: Are you getting data corruption or random freezes? 20.49.36 # Both, though not since ive used Itunes to import songs 20.51.45 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 20.51.45 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.51.56 # Its warm now. 20.52.17 # Currently is copying 388 of 698 of songs. 20.52.21 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.52.52 # I've cleared (dd if=/dev/zero) the first 500MB of the ipod, then restored the mbr, told the kernel to re-read the partition table, dd'ed the apple firmware to /dev/sdb1, run ipodpatcher, formated /dev/sdb1 to FAT32, and unzipped my rockbox build to it. The apple fw boots, but rockbox doesn't (it keeps showing the apple logo). Any ideas ? 20.53.25 # * gevaerts didn't see any smoke come out earlier, so it should still work 20.54.02 # hehe. Im not so sure about Rockboxing though Linux though, sorry 20.54.32 # gevaerts: sure you don't need to let the OF to load up once? 20.54.47 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 20.54.47 # krazykit: I did that. 20.55.05 # .. hm, How do i get to the OF with my Ipod anyway 20.55.12 # Holding Left, like on my Sansa? 20.55.25 # Klevi: That is in the manual... 20.55.40 # (quick hint - hold switch) 20.55.53 # * gevaerts tries the entire procedure again 20.56.20 # Sorry.. normally id look, but im sitting at 100% CPU due to Itunes right now, Opening much of any webrowser isnt happening 20.56.28 # thankd BigBambi =) 20.57.06 # Is it normal that the ipod mbr from the IpodConversionToFAT32 page has both partitions marked as bootable ? 20.57.14 # jeez 100% cpu what are you running on 20.57.16 # * amiconn now has a compiled and prepared M3 bootloader 20.57.26 # \o/ 20.57.37 # It is about time for a new port :) 20.57.50 # * amiconn wonders how dangerous it could be to test it 20.58.06 # Ebert: IBM Thinkpad R30, 256mb Ram, 500Mhz--1ghz stepping processor 30Gb HDD 20.58.08 # Is the M3 a flash bootloader? 20.58.11 Join silvio_ [0] (n=silvio@adsl-84-227-60-107.adslplus.ch) 20.58.49 # Yes, but the cowon pre-loader stays in flash, does the flashing and provides usb 20.58.49 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.58.57 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 20.58.57 # Same technique as the X5 and M5 20.59.16 # OK 20.59.35 # we need more builds in the build table! 20.59.49 # * BigBambi goes to string two monitors together 20.59.51 # * Bagder does the rare wide-table dance 21.00.03 # New port dance time 21.00.15 # * Klevi gets the Disco ball and Rave music 21.00.32 # The M3 is more different from The X5/M5 than I thought, so it will be some work 21.00.49 # Silly question, M3 is what? In a nutshell 21.00.55 # iAudio M3 21.01.03 # Ahh I see. =) 21.01.16 # ... 21.01.23 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.01.51 # Hardware wise it's something inbetween the H1x0 and the M5 21.01.52 # Do any or all of the simulators do everything Rockbox does? 21.02.07 # as if it were on a player? 21.02.08 # no 21.02.11 # In what way? 21.02.16 # It can't do everything 21.02.22 # No FM Tuner :) 21.02.23 # Play music, at the least. 21.02.25 # The simulators simulate the UI, and playback on the newer targets 21.02.34 # Klevi: Yes, playback is present 21.02.35 # View photos. 21.02.38 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 21.02.43 # Klevi: Why not try it? 21.02.44 # They neither simulate recording, nor fm, or other special hardware features 21.02.54 # Oh thats all they lack? 21.03.03 # BigBambi> Klevi: Why not try it? 21.03.04 # Most plugins work 21.03.41 # BigBambi: I was going to, but asked since i would like to have a way of using Rockbox on my Pocket Pc. 21.03.54 # Does your pocket PC have SDL? 21.04.12 # SDL is...? 21.04.19 # wikipedia/google? 21.04.35 # No Availible laptop resources 21.04.37 # Klevi: I've even done it for you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_DirectMedia_Layer 21.05.10 # * gevaerts tried again. Still no rockbox. 21.05.36 # * Klevi 's Ipod has frozen, and Itunes has crashed 21.06.10 # Klevi: that means you can now use a webbrowser ;) 21.06.17 # Yes. 21.07.16 # Why do I always have to semi-brick players in the weirdest ways ? 21.07.37 # because that's your superpower. 21.07.40 # lol 21.07.42 # gevaerts: did you copy a recent standard build to your iPod? 21.08.10 # Buschel: yes. I used a downloaded rockbox.zip and ipodpatcher on the last attempt. 21.08.17 # hm.. I would think that Windows 2003 Mobile would have SDL on it. 21.08.21 # *googles 21.08.26 # * gevaerts is going to check if everything is on disk correctly 21.08.38 # there seems to be pocketpc ports of sdl 21.09.06 # Indeed 21.09.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.09.39 # Badger: See anything for HP Ipaq rx3000 series? 21.10.03 # I didn't care about specific models 21.10.13 Quit mchua (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.10.33 # ah, was wondering if you saw something thats all 21.10.35 # The rockbox install seems ok (md5sums match for the entire .rockbox directory) 21.10.36 # my guess would be that you could build it yourself for your target 21.11.43 # * gevaerts considers installing iTunes to check if _really_ everything works in the OF, but hesitates... 21.11.49 # gevearts: did you delete your .rockbox-folder on the HDD and then unzipped the current build to the HDD? 21.12.10 # Buschel: better. I formatted the partition 21.13.27 # Hmm. This bootloader doesn't seem to do anything... 21.13.38 # (it does no harm either; M3 is still alive) 21.14.25 # amiconn: that doesn't prove anything 21.14.27 Join Domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@e176230233.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.14.59 # Here's what I did exactly : http://pastebin.ca/940155 21.15.27 # (the fdisk halfway is to force the kernel to see the partition table) 21.15.31 # Nico_P: there's one resume bug back which was one of the first I encountered with MoB and which was fixed in the first few weeks (seen on my c250 with r16624 today but confirmed now with my M5 running r16639) 21.15.41 Quit nplus ("Leaving") 21.15.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.16.00 # pixelma: what's the bug? 21.16.58 # gevaerts: What does your ipod do when it boots? 21.17.25 # Nico_P: that is stop somewhere mid song, resume and skipping back to start the song again (I liked it) and it will only play this song for about the time it would have lasted from resume position to the end and then skip to the next (i.e. if you stopped 1 minute before the end it will only play one minute from the start) 21.17.42 # linuxstb_: it hangs at the apple logo with backlight on. If I swicth hold on, it boots the OF, and the EDM magic keys also work 21.17.44 # argh 21.17.52 # Nico_P: havent tested yet which revision it was that brought it back 21.18.01 Quit preglow (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.18.01 NSplit card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.18.25 # gevaerts: That means either the bootloader crashes whilst loading Rockbox, or Rockbox crashes before displaying anything on the LCD 21.18.37 # * gevaerts considers opening the ipod to disconnect the battery. Maybe the PCF chip isn't fully reset 21.18.52 # gevaerts: I was just thinking the same... 21.18.58 # gevaerts: Try holding Right while booting. That should switch the bootloader to verbose mode 21.19.40 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@westquad-188-46.reshall.umich.edu) 21.20.16 # Ends at "Rockbox loaded" 21.20.26 # * gevaerts is happy to see some text anyway 21.20.50 # Did you perhaps put on your experimental build? 21.20.51 # pixelma: I'd be very interested in that information 21.21.11 # No. It's now running a build straight from the website 21.22.19 # Nico_P: ok, I'll try to find out but I'm not sure how long my patience will last today... :) 21.22.25 # Do PCF_* settings work from the bootloader ? 21.22.48 # pixelma: do file a FS task. I won't have time for it today 21.23.31 # alright 21.24.30 # M3 firmware flash file name doesn't follow the same convention as X5(V) and M5 21.25.07 # pixelma: Do you mean like FS#8092? 21.25.19 Quit nicktastique ("Leaving") 21.26.12 # I think I've seen that one recently, but only one time... 21.29.07 # Lear: sorry, I don't fully understand this very "behind the scenes" report so I can't tell if it's the same 21.30.04 # just reporting as a user here... 21.30.23 Join shotofadds [0] (i=510168e1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9936ccf91e323e51) 21.30.38 Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@cpe-66-108-80-238.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.33.39 # The PCF setting I wrote seems to still be wrong. 21.33.42 # pixelma: My initial reading of it was like that too. It took a while after I filed FS#8158 until I realized it was the same as 8092. :) 21.33.49 # * gevaerts now builds a bootloader to correct that 21.35.11 # pixelma: Can you reproduce it if you wait for buffering to finish before you skip back? Could be a problem that's only visible during buffering... 21.35.37 # Lear: from reading the 8158 task it seems to be something else 21.35.39 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.36.04 Quit silvio_ ("Verlassend") 21.36.04 # Bagder: if you want to expand the build table, the D2 boot/main builds can probably be added soon (it'll be very yellow though). I want to put some instructions on the wiki first., though. 21.36.10 Quit tedrock (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.36.13 # It boots to the menu now :-) 21.36.29 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-23-189.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.36.41 # ..but buttons are not working yet. 21.37.31 # \☺/ 21.37.31 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) 21.37.36 # Lear: I'll try now on my c250 - already put the oldest available daily on my M5 (and hope the bug didn't reoccur before that...) 21.37.45 # It boots again! 21.38.53 # congrats! what was the failure? 21.39.31 # Buschel: the 0xff I wrote to DCDC3 was "sticky". I had to write a 0 there from the bootloader to fix it 21.39.33 Quit barrywardell_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.11 # Nice job, gevaerts 21.41.07 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 21.41.12 Nick Klevi is now known as Klevi_afk (i=balh@ool-435682a7.dyn.optonline.net) 21.42.11 # I do seem to be good at getting close to bricking devices that are supported and practically unbrickable... Maybe I should stick to writing plugins and designing WPS's. 21.43.09 # Bricking is a binary state. No matter how close you get, if you recover it, then it was !bricked. 21.43.10 # :-P 21.43.25 # Lear: your idea seems to be right, if I only skip back once it's finished first buffering, it'll play all of the song 21.44.19 # only tested mp3 so far, btw 21.46.29 # gevearts: datasheet tells "register is reset at initial start-up of PCF..." for DCDC3 (and some others). the larger part seems to reset after entering STANDBY state (e.g. via shutting down rockbox) 21.47.03 # That would mean it is only reset on battery disconnect ? 21.47.11 # * Buschel was a lucky guy and did only change the reset-via-STDBY registers 21.47.21 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 21.47.30 # gevearts: that's how I understand it 21.48.03 # * gevaerts thinks the ipod should have a battery disconnect switch like the gigabeat 21.48.14 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.48.56 # Horscht: I checked, and this microscope dates at least to 1959 21.48.56 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.49.12 # heh 21.49.47 # But it is actually marked "Germany", not "Made in Germany". Anyway it might just be pre-1949 21.50.12 # * gevaerts wants to put a list of "old devices used for reverse engineering" on the wiki 21.54.51 # ehummm 21.55.14 # Why the heck does the player build now complain about an undefined pixelformat?? 21.56.45 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-188-232.access.telenet.be) 21.56.46 # umm, it's quite obvious.... 21.57.39 # you need an LCD driver? (maybe??) 21.58.12 NHeal (timeout) card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.58.12 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 21.58.24 Quit ch4os_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.59.34 # Actually, I'm using this microscope for exactly the same purpose as my mother's aunt in 1960, i.e. to look at audio players (she used it to examine gramophone needles in a lending library, to decide if they were in good enough shape to be allowed to play borrowed records) 22.00.38 Join Diggin_on_james_ [0] (n=4db1ecbc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a215ce4eea8dad1c) 22.01.03 # Can anybody of you guys tell me a link where I can download the REP? 22.01.57 # I only know that there is a forum thread and that this patch is reported as severely outdated 22.02.05 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 22.02.07 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 22.03.26 # * amiconn now thinks he knows what this "Logo" data at the start of the iAudio firmware files is 22.03.48 # On M3 it seems that this logo is displayed while flashing 22.04.04 # @pixelma: I downloaded an old version of this patch at www.misticriver.net (forum) a few month ago. But I found out that this forum does not work anymore. Can you tell me an alternative for the REP? 22.04.16 # Rockbox 'scramble' leaves this empty, leading to an empty screen with just a progress bar while flashing 22.05.23 # So you could put a rockbox logo in yet another place ? 22.05.35 # * amiconn thinks we should probably put a rockbox logo there, with a "Bootloader" stamp on it 22.06.01 # I need to figure out the format, but that's lower prio than making it work... 22.06.17 # The crt0 code is definitely executed 22.06.27 Quit mightybrick ("Leaving.") 22.06.38 # * amiconn put a hardcoded LED enable there to see whether it's working 22.09.43 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-90.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 22.09.48 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsm58.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.09.48 Nick Arathis2 is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p508A687C.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.11.07 # * Lear learns that gcc 4.3.0 is out. 22.13.27 # * Buschel sees that the battery life in WiKi/BuyersGuide are far out of date 22.13.46 # will update them tomorrow 22.19.25 Quit Buschel () 22.20.18 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 22.23.36 Quit Klevi_afk ("Sleep") 22.25.56 Quit toffe82 (Remote closed the connection) 22.27.36 Quit leox (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.25 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 22.29.59 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat") 22.30.37 # * gevaerts found an even better setting. Writing 0x1e to DCUDC2 seems to require disconnecting the battery. 22.31.09 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5pre/2008031205]") 22.32.25 # And I haven't even started doing this while measuring yet. Just testing the software side... 22.34.22 Join MajorC [0] (n=absolut@host183-38.bornet.net) 22.34.24 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 22.34.25 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-247-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.34.31 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-247-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.34.53 Quit Diggin_on_james_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.38.09 Join _Cheetah_ [0] (n=cheetah@f049000091.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.41.20 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-24-95.dsl.telesp.net.br) 22.41.22 Part _Cheetah_ 22.43.14 # * gevaerts is starting to think that these measurements should really be done on an ipod with a PCF50605, so we don't have to identify pins first 22.45.01 # If it crashes or hangs on every third setting, it will take ages to locate all pins. 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I'm not a 100% sure because I couldn't reproduce the problem completely reliably (maybe only 80-90%) but I tried a few times to reproduce with the 26th daily and it didn't happen, whereas the 27th one showed the problem on first try 23.39.43 # ...and currently I lack energy to test further 23.42.08 # pixelma: that's already giving me a pretty good idea of where the bug appeared 23.42.12 # thanks 23.42.15 Quit mchua (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.42.26 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 23.43.03 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 23.44.01 Join Kizle [0] (n=Kizzle@adsl-156-131-183.mia.bellsouth.net) 23.46.07 # * amiconn found the problem why the remote lcd does't work in the iaudio bootloaders 23.47.32 # Actually, the irivers probably have the same problem. 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