--- Log for 25.04.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 23 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.35 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.03.26 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 00.04.46 Quit n1s () 00.07.35 # I think we should consider removing the iriver IFP7xx simulator build from the table 00.08.29 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-71-203-172-58.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 00.09.55 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=william@dhcp-077-249-150-171.chello.nl) 00.09.55 # We need room for ZVM in the table 00.10.15 Quit sitwon ("Leaving") 00.11.45 # haha, yeah 00.11.57 # seriously, the ifp7xx is a pretty dead port by now 00.12.20 # ifp7xx ? 00.12.44 # old flash player 00.13.03 # hmm 00.13.06 # never heard of it :) 00.13.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort 00.13.37 # * w1ll14m googles 00.14.13 # ahh 00.14.31 # looks indeed a bit dead 00.14.33 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 00.14.44 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.15.18 # well gnight all ;) 00.15.23 Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m|aw (n=william@dhcp-077-249-150-171.chello.nl) 00.16.13 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.16.33 # Why can't the build talble just have multiple rows? Split 1/2 and 1/2? 00.16.52 # one table for sims and one for target might be nice enough 00.17.52 # Why split? Sure, the current table needs a bit of horizontal scrolling, but if you split vertically, you need to scroll vertically instead in order to see everything 00.17.56 # the table still fits on my screen :-) 00.18.02 # So nothing would be gained 00.18.43 # nothing is sometimes somebody else's something :) 00.19.19 # * jhMikeS just requests rb funds for a bigger screen :) 00.20.14 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 00.20.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.20.39 # * amiconn currently has the rightmost 6 builds clipped in the default view, and can see all builds at once by scrolling right somewhat (although without the timestamp and score columns) 00.21.49 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.21.56 # * jhMikeS counts 5 with a maxed window (no timestamp included) 00.22.15 # Bagder: I'd say removing the iFP simulator is fine since the target doesn't build any more (last I checked) and nobody's working on it. 00.22.45 # or perhaps an error/warning summary table just to see really quickly if anything more is worth looking at 00.23.25 # yeah, like the top row in a different/summarized way 00.23.35 Quit leox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.24.04 # ok, I've disabled the ifp7 sim build now 00.24.19 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 00.24.19 # like whe you hover over the number you see what got how many points, e.g. 0 | 0 | 4 :-) 00.25.01 # I have an idea in the pipe that'll hide allzero-columns with javascript 00.25.19 # and a "show all" button that shows them all 00.25.47 # Bagder: How 'bout hiding allzero, "most recent build is zero", or show all? 00.25.57 # yes, something like that 00.26.14 # it'll probably depend a little on my javascript talents ;-) 00.26.16 # Since, except when we're suffering shotgun warnings, old build errors/warnings probably aren't a real concern. :) 00.26.31 # righ, it should mostly focus on the topmost row 00.27.07 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.27.14 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.27.28 # Bagder: If you're going for that, please make the setting persistent (with a cookie) 00.27.30 # There are already 2 clicks to get from the front page to the build table :/ 00.28.20 # there's a concept called bookmarks you could try! ;-) 00.28.57 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 00.29.00 # but yes, having it persistent would be cool 00.34.09 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@m052h.studby.ntnu.no) 00.37.08 Quit dandin1 () 00.37.10 Quit freqmod_n (Remote closed the connection) 00.42.38 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.41 Quit gevaerts ("vi is better anyway") 00.43.11 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.43.20 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@layl001.digis.net) 00.44.58 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.48.08 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.49.05 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.51.09 Join Spartanq77 [0] (n=dylanwin@cpe-65-31-11-13.insight.res.rr.com) 00.51.34 Quit ender` (" Cynics regarded everybody as equally corrupt... Idealists regarded everybody as equally corrupt, except themselves. -- Robe") 00.51.55 # What's the easiest way to install loader 2 if you have rockbox installed and you're using a winpod? 00.52.23 # I'm using a 1st generation ipod nano 00.52.57 # Spartanq77: that is offtopic here...loader 2 is not our software 00.53.11 # Also, is it possible to get rockbox to support DRM files or no? 00.53.26 # no 00.53.37 # didn't think so. Thanks though. 00.54.00 Nick courtc_ is now known as courtc (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 00.54.17 # what emulators come with rockbox? I know rockboy, any more? Like a mame emulator? 00.54.32 # Spartanq77, this is covered in the manual 00.54.34 # a pacman emu 00.55.41 # sorry, just noticed that. Just wondering if other emulator support was possible... 00.56.53 # there are more emulators...just go through the manual ;) 00.57.05 Quit Adys (Nick collision from services.) 00.57.26 Join Adys_ [0] (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) 00.57.41 # Just went through one part, it didn't specify how to get pacman roms, so I'm assuming it's illegal? Or I didn't read through good enough? 00.58.10 # correct 00.58.23 # you have to own the game and make the dumps yourself 00.58.24 Quit Adys_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.58.27 # it's not illegal if you happen to own a copy 00.58.32 # but then again, they are arcade roms... 00.58.45 # What file format would it be? 00.58.53 # probably just plain binary dumps 00.58.56 Join Adys [0] (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) 00.59.07 # s/a copy/a huge machine/ 00.59.09 # check the wiki page...it also gives an MD5 for the files, i think 01.00.03 # * kugel wonders what happened to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AudioHardwareAPIProposal 01.01.17 # would the pacman emulator only support the original pacman or mrs. pacman as well? 01.02.33 # also, can you download more .rock games? sorry for the many question 01.02.58 # all avalable ".rock games" are already installed 01.03.37 # depends on the emulator. iirc there is no emulator that suppords all arcade roms 01.04.59 # some plugins in a more or less commitable state are still on the tracker though such as 1drockblox and amaze. they might be included in future rockbox versions 01.05.09 # ;-) 01.05.10 Quit goffa (Remote closed the connection) 01.05.18 # Thank you 01.07.54 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.09.32 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.23 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 01.14.35 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 01.22.13 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.22.23 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 01.22.48 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008032620]") 01.23.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.32.28 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.51.59 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-174-251.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.56.17 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-NINETY-THREE.MIT.EDU) 01.57.06 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.06.48 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 02.08.39 # is there a way to force the backlight off in plugins? similar to how backlight_force_on() works? 02.09.29 # backlight_force_on() is a simplification, implemented in the pluginlib 02.09.46 # just saw it. 02.10.07 # If you want to do more, you need to use backlight_set_timeout() directly 02.10.12 # shall i add backlight_force_off() to helper.[c|h] or just do it in the plugin itsself? 02.12.29 # btw, does the m3 remote have backlight too? 02.12.32 # I'd do it in the plugin, unless you know another plugin that could use that helper 02.12.35 # yes 02.13.13 # do you think it's worth having flashlight there too? 02.13.31 # heh... 02.13.41 Join webguest55 [0] (n=42617bdf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f2a037670625703) 02.13.42 # Just handle it the same as an ordinary lcd for display content and backlight. You just need to take care when assigning buttons (most plugins should have their main controls on the remote buttons) 02.14.29 # it's b&w anyways... so it wouldn't need any buttons. 02.14.32 # Although, since the flashlight doesn't need close control, it might be useful to have it controllable from both remote and main buttons 02.15.04 # You need at least an exit button, and the on/off stuff (if you're going to add that) 02.15.18 # mh. true. 02.15.43 # * amiconn goes to sleep 02.15.43 Quit K4rP4D (Remote closed the connection) 02.15.51 # good night 02.23.29 Join Byron [0] (n=Byron@71.239.173.125) 02.24.31 # hey all, is there a firmware issue with Rockbox and the c200 series of Sansa players? 02.24.51 # I was told that I needed the v1 of the firmware on the e200 but is that the same on the c200? 02.24.59 # yes 02.25.10 # okay, I am just de-boxing it now 02.25.20 # it's not a problem with the original firmware but with different hardware 02.25.32 # they're looking the same but the internal are different 02.25.47 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 02.26.36 # how do I find the firmware of this c200? 02.26.58 # i don't know. i don't own one 02.27.09 # maybe somewhere in setting. no idea 02.28.35 # crap, this is v03.02.05A 02.28.46 # too new, right? 02.28.57 # iirc that's a V2 yes 02.29.14 # damn 02.29.23 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.29.43 # Any idea when a build for the new hardware might be slated for development? 02.30.37 # no, sorry. this depends on how many people are willing to work on it. 02.30.39 # and that's currently no one 02.30.51 # http://plzdontblock.us/index.php?q=uggc%3A%2F%2Fsbehzf.ebpxobk.bet%2Fvaqrk.cuc%3Fgbcvp%3D14064.0 02.30.56 # sorry 02.31.08 # That's okay 02.31.18 # there are two forum posts that have the progress so far 02.31.24 # i just can't get to them right now 02.32.48 # was that directed to me webguest55? 02.33.09 # yes, sorry, i should've made that clear 02.33.16 # that's okay 02.33.25 # so there IS progress being made? 02.33.59 # I guess I'll have to return this to Best Buy 02.34.17 # unless a version will be out by the time I give this thing to my girlfriend. 02.34.26 # some stuff is already figured out 02.34.33 # but no one is working on it 02.34.47 # okay, well I think I'll return it and try for a v1 again 02.34.49 # yeah, this patch, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8843 02.34.54 # holds potential 02.36.58 # Yeah, atleast it's on the table if anyone wants to work on it. 02.36.59 Quit webguest55 ("CGI:IRC") 02.37.05 # I wish I knew how to develop stuff like this. 02.40.48 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.53.24 Part pixelma 03.08.25 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-38-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) 03.10.15 # Blair, I got my headset working 03.11.10 # and it's stereo 03.23.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.24.21 # bah... flashlight.c is ifdef hell now :-D 03.24.59 # 60% of it is preprocessor stuff. but mostly because of the keymaps :-P 03.41.07 Quit Spartanq77 () 04.18.52 Quit PaulJam (".") 04.27.14 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD52E.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.27.15 Join Music^Hound [0] (i=glamrock@mctnnbsa42w-142162145249.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) 04.40.49 # DerPapst: use the actions stuff then 04.42.21 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.43.35 # JdGordon: nah... works fine so far :-) 04.43.50 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.45.00 # btw. have seen my pms right after you went afk 04.45.02 # ? 04.46.01 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.48.09 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 04.52.27 Join jpt9 [0] (n=jpt9@machamp-229.dynamic.rpi.edu) 04.52.30 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E70.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.52.43 # What's the biggest MicroSD card Rockbox supports on a Sansa e250R? 04.53.11 # the biggest you can buy 04.53.38 # so it works with SDHC then? 04.54.03 # iirc yes 04.54.07 # DerPapst: you dont even need to use the pluginlib_actions stuff... you just need next/prev/exit right? you could use action = rb->get_action(CONTEXT_STD< TIMEOUT_BLOCK); and no button defines ever need fdiling 04.54.27 # and yes, did your revert get it working again? 04.54.31 # hmm... there's a Transcend 8GB one for $30 on Amazon... 04.54.49 # just make sure thats microSDHC... 04.54.58 # $30 sounds too cheap for a micro 04.55.28 # JdGordon: it where only 4 lines i added. i uncommented them and still didn't get it to work 04.55.49 # oh nuts... it was working fine here on the sim... 04.56.13 # at least I thought I saw it... 04.56.18 # i only tested it on the sim too. 04.56.31 # * DerPapst chekcs again to make sure he doesn't make a mistake 04.56.38 # and you selected some files and actually had them in the archos folder? 04.56.47 # yep 04.57.44 # isnt it about 5am your time? 04.58.07 # hm.. now it worked :-S 04.58.10 # confusing 04.58.11 # whoops... didn't notice that it was *SD*, not *MicroSD*... 04.58.23 # yes :-P 04.58.41 # go to sleep! :p 04.58.50 # damn wierdo :) 04.59.31 # ;-) 04.59.45 # testing wild cards again... 05.00.49 # lunch time, bbl 05.01.20 # btw, i agree that as default all files sould be selected. 05.01.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 05.02.31 # because it's annoying if you want to remove all standard crap and have to fiddle with this text input stuff first. 05.02.49 # i still haven't figured out how to use it 05.04.27 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.04.27 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 05.04.28 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.04.43 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.04.57 Part jpt9 05.09.08 Quit RoC_MasterMind (Remote closed the connection) 05.23.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.25.18 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 05.28.05 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23CF93.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.28.07 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 05.28.09 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23CF93.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.33.29 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@189.164.198.12) 05.36.04 Quit Music^Hound (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.45.22 Quit Byron ("I never could get the hang of Thursdays") 05.47.17 Join Jay [0] (i=BlackCha@ool-182cdaac.dyn.optonline.net) 05.52.18 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 05.57.17 # mmh... rb->lcd_set_invert_display(true); doesn't seem to work. at least not for the m:robe 100 sim 06.06.36 Quit m0f0x () 06.14.10 # that could just be a stub for a few targets 06.14.25 # I think thats only implemented if the target can do it in hardware? 06.15.32 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 06.15.42 # don't know. but the sim should somehow recreate this behavior i think. Though i don't know how hard that would be for 1bit displays. 06.15.45 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 06.17.55 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 06.18.26 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.19.29 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.22.36 Quit homielowe () 06.23.42 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.29.50 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 06.30.53 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23CF93.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.30.55 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 06.30.57 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23CF93.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.31.13 # amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8934 :-) 06.37.36 Join corevette_ [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-35-112-15.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 06.45.07 Quit corevette (Connection timed out) 07.05.35 Quit csc` ("If you can't do anything smart, do somethin right ~Serenity") 07.11.21 Quit Jay ("Leaving") 07.14.16 Quit Chronon ("So long and thanks for all the fish!") 07.23.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.28.22 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.28.32 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der@p5B23CF93.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.34.53 Part toffe82 07.40.22 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.46.59 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245021.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 07.49.12 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.59.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 08.13.01 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 08.26.16 # DerPapst: Some minor nitpicks (didn't actually try it yet): (1) Remote buttons for H1x0/H300: better use BUTTON_RC_STOP as QUIT, for consistency. (2) The plugin now needs button definitions for Ondio too (for the 2 existing backlight modded Ondio), otherwise it won't compile. BUTTON_MENU and BUTTON_OFF are sensible choices. 08.28.04 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.37.14 # is there a way to prevent building of a plugin for some targets? 08.44.07 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.45.29 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7e93af1f4f836acb) 08.45.57 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7e93af1f4f836acb) 08.48.40 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.49.20 # B4gder you are the build expert right? :0 08.49.57 # probably, yes 08.50.08 # rp-: The apps/plugins/SOURCES (and SUBDIRS) files are used for that 08.50.32 # so there are entries for every target? 08.51.23 # It's processed by the C pre-processor. If you look at it, it should be clear how it works 08.51.36 # because my plugin doesn't work on targets with LCD_DEPTH < 16, so it would be silly to build it and put it in the .rockbox directory for them 08.52.07 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCE8D.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.52.07 # Then you just put the name of the .c file inside a #ifdef LCD_DEPTH==16 section - there is probably already one 08.52.19 # s/ifdef/if 08.52.31 # yes i have one 08.52.45 # put it still gets distributed int the .rockbox directory 08.53.12 # did you do a make clean in between? 08.53.21 # proberly not :) 08.53.33 # make zip is made to ignore empty or non-existing files so it really shouldn't get that file included 08.53.39 # A better solution is to make it work on targets with LCD_DEPTH < 16 though ;) 08.54.25 # that is not really an option, its a game which relys on colors 08.54.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8925 08.55.18 # Then make it rely on shapes/patterns. Or maybe use the greyscale lib. 08.56.37 # i will check if this will work, but i'm not sure. 08.57.20 # How big are the items, and how many different colours do you need? 08.57.24 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 08.58.14 # the board is 18x12 08.58.35 # the smallest size i have for a cell is 3 pixels + 1 for the boarder 08.59.03 # but the cell size gets bigger, depending on LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT 08.59.28 # so it may be an option on targets with a big screen, but without color 08.59.52 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.00.14 # Do you mean it's 18x12 cells, and each cell is 4 pixels (or bigger) ? 09.00.19 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.01.17 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.01.34 # exactly 09.02.05 # Why so small? We don't have any 72x48 LCDs. 09.02.57 # on the top i also have a "status" display for current score and level which takes 10 pixel 09.03.38 # and as i tested it on an sansa c200 sim, it had the right size for that 09.04.44 # The C200's LCD is 132x80 pixels, so you could make it 6x6 if you reduced the status bar in size to 8 pixels 09.05.56 # ok that might be possible, but the number of colors increase by the level you gain 09.06.56 # but it is very unlikly that you reach lvl 6 or 7, that would mean 7 or 8 colors 09.07.17 # level + 1 = the color count 09.07.43 # What does the number of colours have to do with cell size? 09.07.54 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.07.58 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|afk (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.08.32 # on a target with colors, absolutly nothing, but if you try to repsent the colors as patterns it becomes a problem 09.08.36 # or i'm missing something? 09.08.51 # -repsent +represent 09.09.00 # Ah, so that's your concern 09.09.20 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.09.35 # Sometimes it needs a bit of experimentation, but different shapes often work better than one might think first 09.10.04 # Check out bubbles on the M3 or even archos as an example 09.10.20 # i know the game only as color version, so i never tought of porting it to a pattern based approach 09.11.23 # yeah i saw it, and it looked pretty cool for that 09.14.12 # Btw, it's actually a little harder to play on M3 even though it has a higher resolution, because of the smaller pixels. That's something you cannot notice in the sim. 09.15.36 # rp-: I wonder how difficult your game will be for 'colour blind' rockbox users (such as me) :) 09.17.44 # oh, never thought of such users :) 09.19.18 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnj139.ugent.be) 09.23.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.24.31 # markun: are you "classically" colour blind? (i.e. red / green are the tricky ones) 09.26.57 # yes 09.27.29 # so you should atleast have no problem with the first level ( green / blue) :) 09.27.42 # no, probably not 09.27.43 # so as long as rp- avoids those edge cases you should be ok ;) 09.28.01 # it depends a lot on the shades of the colours 09.28.18 # I have a colour blind friend who tried to explain it to me 09.28.33 # as I understood it, the trouble is with pastel shades of the colours 09.28.34 # for example I asked Zagor a few years ago to change the greens and reds in the rockbox wiki so I could see the difference 09.28.50 # i could move the red color to later levels, which will probably never readed 09.28.57 # reached 09.29.46 # I think the default colour scheme on mibbit would be a problem to someone colour blind - it would be hard to tell if the background was green or red 09.30.07 # rp-: if you want to know what it will look like you can pass the screenshots through this site 09.30.10 # http://www.vischeck.com/ 09.31.03 # hm, they changed the site a bit since I last visited it 09.32.37 # thanks 09.43.45 # I love the eagerness of "keenox" in the x20 thread in the forum, but something tells me he has a long way until they have something to run on the iriver x20 09.46.28 Join FINiK [0] (n=finik@adsl-69-107-98-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 09.47.33 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.48.19 Part FINiK 09.49.41 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.50.29 # B4gder, if they do the insignia ns-dv would have it too since you can converter the insignia ns-dv to a iriver x20 with a simple firmware upgrade 09.51.19 # given the current posts, I think that's way over their heads... 09.51.36 # but I won't judge, they can learn fast 09.57.07 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.01.02 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 10.07.18 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 10.35.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.36.41 # Bagder: ping 10.37.22 # Was there any more discussion on the width of the build table? 10.37.50 # mostly just additional ideas being thrown around 10.39.48 # I think what has the best possibility is something that can present the top row in a more condensed way 10.40.23 # How about having one column per target, suppress 0 and prefix errors/warnings with b for boot or s for sim. So the D2 column would currently be yellow, reading 3,and the M:Robe 500 column would be yellow reading 2 s1 10.40.58 # The widths should be similar to the delta table. 10.41.20 # * pondlife doesn't know if that made much sense... 10.41.42 # I mean, you'd have a 0 if no errors occurred, but no need for 0 s0 b0 10.42.12 # And any error on all 3 type of build would give red. Any warning gives yellow 10.42.28 # Insert plurals as required to form English... ;) 10.42.59 # well, we still want to provide links to all build logs 10.43.28 # Do you need logs for good builds? 10.43.44 # I think perhaps we put the current "full table" on a separate page, and present just the first row's non-zero builds on the main build table page 10.43.58 # This suggestion would allow links to all warning/error build logs.. 10.44.11 # pondlife: yes, it shows which server that did it etc and is sometimes useful for tracking down build behaviours 10.44.12 # I think we have too many build pages as it is... 10.44.40 # true 10.44.53 # You'd only lose the build log for a good sim or good bootloader build 10.45.00 # But I see your point 10.45.28 # well, we could also _always_ use three lines for each target column 10.45.38 # normal/sim/boot 10.45.58 # That would be show the recent build nicely and you'd only have to scroll for history... 10.46.05 # Makes sense.. 10.46.33 # Perhaps add a 4th line for the normal build delta too, and scrap the delta table 10.46.45 # oh, that'd be nice 10.47.07 # THEN... we'd be able to have a longer build/delta history 10.47.27 # No need to worry about how long the page is (within reason, for loading speed) 10.48.08 # and I think perhaps moving the "score" column to the left side of all targets, since that's something like "total health" for them all 10.51.01 # Yes, that would probably look nicer too 10.51.34 # Score would have room for the average delta too. and maybe the average build speed? 10.51.45 # (i.e. if we're using 4 rows) 10.52.28 # Build score - server count - seconds/build - average delta 10.56.59 # might become a bit messy to read though 10.57.11 # I'd have to see it I think 10.57.14 # yeah 10.57.22 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.57.57 # The top row could be more vertically spaced out if it helped readability 10.59.50 # * petur spots some nice ideas 11.01.06 # If you use multiple rows per build, I'd like the rows to have an alternating slightly different blue per build so that you can visually keep builds separated 11.02.53 # that'll probably help, yes 11.03.32 # and the N/S/B indication could also be put in a left column 11.04.54 # I'll need to hack up a first version and then we can tweak it from there for all the little details 11.05.20 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.05.31 # I'll just visit that spare time store and get me a large supply 11.06.28 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-130.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 11.06.38 # bring some for me while you're in there 11.06.55 # also a large one please 11.06.58 # B4gder: Hmm, integrating health and delta will probably be rather messy 11.07.02 # * gevaerts also wants some 11.07.05 # The colours have different meanings 11.07.29 # yes 11.07.40 # not to mention how messy it'll be for me to merge my two separate scripts... :-) 11.08.00 # But that would fix the target order... 11.08.05 # the 'keep the buildtable green' would get another meaning though ;) 11.08.05 # haha, yes 11.08.12 # (at least make it consistent) 11.09.15 # when you read the scripts, you'll realize why the consistency isn't that easy as things are t oday 11.10.48 # Are they included in the www module? 11.11.10 # yes 11.11.16 # although they're not used live from there 11.24.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.24.37 # * pondlife went to the spare time store but they'd run out. 11.27.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 11.27.31 # * gevaerts reminds people that "time is money", so maybe a bank can help. 11.27.48 # I'm not sure about the exchange rate though 11.27.52 # * petur so far has only lost time at the bank 11.28.09 # got little money in return, btw 11.32.17 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.36.14 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 11.37.53 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 11.55.04 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 11.56.42 # i thought the bank way some kind of place to buy annoyance 11.58.03 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.02.20 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.03.19 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 12.14.07 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.34) 12.21.40 Part B4gder 12.40.58 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.42.21 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.42.49 # amiconn: will change that 12.54.54 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.01.50 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet27.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.02.44 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.02.46 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 13.02.48 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.20.31 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3054.gwdg.de) 13.24.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.34.24 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.34.26 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 13.34.28 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.43 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend") 13.47.27 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.49.09 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 13.49.39 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 13.49.43 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 13.56.00 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-134-116.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.59.59 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.00.14 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 14.03.14 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 14.07.07 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 14.16.42 # hmm 14.17.11 # it seems we might have to ressurect the hardware eq again :/ 14.17.45 # For the D2? 14.18.10 # yes, it seems to have a genuine wm8985 14.18.15 # hrm 14.18.24 # but this time we're going to do it proper 14.18.29 # rather keep it as a mode switch for the ordinary eq 14.18.50 # What do you mean? 14.19.01 # well, last time we did hw eq, we had two separate eq screens 14.19.09 # one for sweq, one for hweq 14.19.17 # i want to combine them, and rather just have an option for which to use 14.20.02 Quit petur ("reboot") 14.20.49 # Wouldn't it be useful to be able to use both? e.g. one or two bands in hw, and some in software? 14.21.32 # i can see how it would be useful in the sense of being able to do absolutely everything the hardware supports, yes, but in practice, not really 14.22.25 # i'm checking to see if the d2 firmware uses the hw eq now 14.22.49 # yeah, it uses the hardware one 14.23.18 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.25.04 # linuxstb: we could have that mode switch be per band, i guess 14.25.14 # but i'm still not very keen on the idea 14.25.27 # Yes, I was thinking that. But I never use the EQ, so don't have any strong opinions 14.25.33 # well, me neither 14.25.49 # What if the HW EQ is more limited in some parameter? 14.25.58 # i'm thinking more in the perspective of making rockbox as easy to use as possible 14.26.02 # pondlife: it is, by far 14.26.15 # So, even per band you'd have some fun... 14.26.22 # pondlife: how? 14.26.41 # pondlife: all its options are more limited, each band has four possible frequency settings, two bandwidth settings, and narrower gain range 14.26.50 # preglow: Is it possible to make it transparent? 14.26.55 # Llorean: as in how? 14.27.00 # If you land on an option the HW-eq can do, that band uses it, otherwise it uses software? 14.27.19 # Llorean: i'd steer away from that, the hw eq and sw eq are not guaranteed to sound the same for the same settings 14.27.25 # I mean, if you have a band set to SW EQ with a massive gain cut, then the user switches it to HW EQ. 14.27.35 # i.e. now the gain is out of range 14.27.44 # pondlife: yes, and it'll be clipped to range, i don't see a problem 14.28.04 # pondlife: the fact that the hw eq is limited will be very visible, you won't have a choice of parameters outside the allowed range when in hw mode 14.28.08 # preglow: I just thought that'd tie in with the "as easy to use" :) 14.28.21 # Llorean: easy to use, but not very transparent, i value transparency 14.28.22 # * linuxstb wonders if it's even worthwhile to use the hw eq at all (apart from bass/treble) 14.28.41 # The hardware's fast enough it shouldn't be a real concern, right? 14.28.46 # linuxstb: well, i see your point, but i also think it's a shame not to utilize the hardware fully 14.28.49 # Yes, but there's also the power issue 14.28.56 # True 14.29.59 # Llorean: mixing hardware and software dsp also has the unfortunate side effect of latency in the software part, but not hardware, the user might balk at the effects of this if the fact that the hardware is being used for some settings is not clear 14.30.07 # Does the D2 OF have a user-configurable EQ? 14.30.20 # linuxstb: yes, but it's clearly hardware based, all settings are as per the wm data sheet 14.30.29 # preglow: Ah, now that's a concern I much more relate to. 14.31.12 # Llorean: overall, i think it's important to make the difference between hw and sw processing visible, if latency was not such a concern, i would not be as adamant on that 14.31.38 # but it is, and is going to stay that way until we have some pretty radical changes :/ 14.32.08 # What about a "EQ Type" setting - "Hardware, Software, Both". We then either display 1 or 2 EQ settings screens, depending on the selection. So if the user wants to be confused, he/she can be. 14.32.51 # preglow: Yeah, I hadn't thought of the latency issue. I do agree now. 14.33.21 # linuxstb: sounds like unneeded complexity to only allow a minority of users to use both at the same time 14.34.08 # the one thing i would like to avoid is duplicating the entire eq settings system 14.34.17 # if that is avoided, i'm open to pretty much anything 14.34.34 # It seems a simpler option (and clearer) than trying to merge the two. 14.35.10 # indeed, but also less user-friendly 14.35.27 # anyway, i guess who does the code gets to decide in the end :> 14.35.36 # i've got a sneaking suspicion it won't be me 14.36.49 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 14.38.32 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.48.17 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB3ACF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.49.58 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529172.dsl.bell.ca) 14.58.07 Part LinusN 14.59.49 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.04.09 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 15.05.40 Join Lynx- [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.06.17 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 15.06.18 # Hello! 15.06.48 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cae7e65a2bb57d61) 15.07.32 # I'm trying to patch Rockbox with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744?getfile=13556, but "patch -Np0 < usb_charge_by_default.patch" returns http://pastebin.com/d63f74192 15.09.00 # That patch is _old_, and the code changed a lot since then 15.09.08 Quit Reinhart2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.09.11 Join Reinhart [0] (i=wizard@chime.student.utwente.nl) 15.09.55 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@189.164.244.99) 15.09.59 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A70F6.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.10.00 # So how can I configure Rockbox to don't restart after connecting to computer? 15.11.54 # Change usb.c, near line 197. You can probably use the patch you linked to as a reference 15.16.54 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.39 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.23.41 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.24.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.25.24 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.31.18 Join Bensawsome-Clie [0] (n=upirc@72.10.125.130) 15.33.47 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 15.34.05 Part Bensawsome-Clie 15.34.33 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@m052h.studby.ntnu.no) 15.35.24 Quit OtherLlor ("Leaving.") 15.40.23 Quit Lynx- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.47.48 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 15.48.41 Join Dr_Who [0] (n=5503abdf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-83b7802c6706d74d) 15.49.23 # hi 15.50.43 # i got some problems with the bootloader anyone maybe can help me 15.50.51 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.05 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.52.53 Quit Dr_Who (Client Quit) 15.53.10 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.54.50 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders if that was the Doctor or the Peter Cushing Dr. Who :) 15.55.36 Part toffe82 15.59.00 Quit petur ("back after the weekend...") 16.00.30 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 16.00.33 Join DerPapst607 [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.00.41 Nick DerPapst607 is now known as DerPapst (n=DerPapst@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.09.04 Part J-23 16.13.35 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.22.43 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.23.19 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 16.24.51 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.25.12 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.25.34 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-152f59453762af35) 16.25.51 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 16.27.24 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529172.dsl.bell.ca) 16.33.22 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 16.36.16 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.39.01 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 16.39.06 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.42.36 # LambdaCalculus37: If I were Dr Who, I'd travel to Sweden at various points in the future, and binary chop the timeline until I found the best ever version of Rockbox. No need for SVN :) 16.43.24 # But maybe that's what led to his bootloader problem :/ 16.44.41 # pondlife: Hehe... :) 16.46.20 # * scorche|sh expresses his hate for people who think his "name" is "Dr. Who" and sits firmly in #rockbox-community if anyone wishes to discuss 16.49.47 Quit corevette_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.49.50 Join nplus [0] (n=npl@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.49.55 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.50.12 # * preglow prefers to remain blissfully ignorant on the matter 16.50.28 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.52.09 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 16.53.14 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.59.39 Join dabujo_ [0] (i=xx@p4FDB13AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.02.43 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 17.06.20 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 17.17.24 Quit dabujo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.24.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.28.46 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 17.32.30 # anyone here who has put an ZIF HDD in his/her iriver H3x0 ? 17.33.38 # I believe LinusN did, not sure though 17.35.06 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 17.35.37 # pixelma: I think LinusN did with an H1x0; not sure about the H3x0. 17.35.54 # I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work as long as you have a good adapter. 17.35.59 # LambdaCalculus37 yep, that's what i read in the wiki 17.36.06 Join spelling2 [0] (n=spelling@CPE00012e15cab1-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.36.14 # LambdaCalculus37 i'm concerned about the space inside .. 17.36.19 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 17.36.49 # Bger: LinusN mentioned this one adapter he used that still gave him enough space. 17.37.02 # (and having in mind that my h340 is with high-capacity battery...) 17.37.03 # LinusN: Knock knock. 17.37.09 # yeah, now I seem to remember. He said something about the space here, would have to search the logs 17.37.19 # Ah, he's not here right now. 17.37.44 # LambdaCalculus37: enough space in the H100... 17.38.17 # what to do to someone who has gotten something easier than you and continue to get it easier and is not your friend but enemy alike? 17.39.05 # spelling2 erm... wrong channel ? 17.39.51 # pixelma i should ask LinusN directly ... thank you anyway 17.40.14 # (at least he has both targets) 17.42.23 # pixelma: I want to ask LinusN what the adapter was that he bought. 17.59.49 Part spelling2 ("Leaving") 18.04.02 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 18.04.47 # preglow: here? 18.05.53 # shotofadds: aye 18.06.58 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-220-26.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 18.07.35 # there was some discussion of the wm8985 eq earlier, shouldn't we just treat is the same as wm8758 (the eq's almost identical). currently that uses HW for bass/treble controls and software for the full EQ. 18.07.47 # s/is/it 18.07.53 # shotofadds: the 8758 doesn't have the full eq, only the upper and lower bands 18.08.01 # shotofadds: we have a proper 8985, which has a full eq 18.08.21 # oh, so it has registers for bands 1-5 but only uses upper and lower? 18.08.29 # well, we don't have the exact datasheet for that chip 18.08.34 # i think the 8985 datasheet is the closest match 18.08.40 # yopu mean they just don't work, then? 18.08.43 # we've been unable to make any band but the upper and lower work 18.09.00 # I see. that's a damn good reason ;) 18.09.05 # ignoring a full eq in hardware would be unwise, if you ask me 18.09.09 # some people might find it satisfactory 18.09.26 # our current eq sucks about 1 mhz per band 18.10.11 # "satisfactory", certainly. It's what the OF uses, but at least some people moan about the 80Hz lower band. 18.10.18 # indeed 18.10.26 # what's wrong with it? 18.10.53 # it sounds fine to me, but I have cloth ears... 18.10.57 # heh 18.11.04 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eedd86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-87ee7b071637b7ae) 18.11.07 # the sw eq has bugs currently too, but at least i can fix those 18.12.15 # so would we use SW bass/treble controls and the H/W equalizer? 18.12.35 # a good question 18.12.50 # my plan was to kind of integrate the sw and hw eqs to one screen 18.12.56 # but that does not solve the tone controls 18.13.03 Part pondlife 18.13.44 # it'd be good to allow the full flexibility, but my suggestion keeps the UI simple ;-) 18.13.59 # it does indeed 18.14.03 # we'll see, it's a far way off :V 18.14.48 # yeah, you need to get sound working first :p 18.15.41 # and nand... 18.15.46 # that's going to be a bitch to complete 18.15.49 # a real bitch 18.17.48 # I don't need you to tell me that... 18.18.08 # I think NAND comes first (fixing read, at least). It's kind of a pre-requisite for playing music 18.18.19 # yeah, i'm thinking lcd and nand right now 18.18.32 # and lcd really is nothing compared to nand 18.18.41 # minor bug-fixing 18.18.42 Join styleism [0] (n=styleism@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 18.18.46 # what do you want to do to the LCD driver? 18.19.00 # apart from the clipped line(s) it works, doesn't it? 18.19.05 # not much, fix bugs, really. i guess using dma and the like can come in the future 18.19.33 # btw, is the display 24 bit? the telechips lcd interface only goes up to 18 bits, it seems 18.20.52 # the display is 24bit, and the datasheet specifies how to use 888bpp. I didn't fancy coding a 24bit driver just yet... 18.21.24 # no, let's ignora that for now too 18.21.38 # but still, the telechips interface only seems to support 18 bits 18.22.06 # where did you read that? 18.24.09 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@127-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.25.30 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 18.29.24 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.08 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.34.25 Join zeroth__ [0] (n=tyler@S0106001b1141b601.ok.shawcable.net) 18.34.54 # hi guys. Anyone here have some experience with IDA Pro? 18.37.00 # zeroth__: some, but probably better to talk about it in #rockbox-community 18.37.20 # I'm having a bit of difficulty getting ida to see instructions in the firmware. And the firmware is written for an ARM 926 core? Would that make things more difficult/harder? 18.37.27 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.37.30 # What firmware? 18.38.03 # for the Creative ZEN 18.38.29 # it uses an Sigmatel STMP37xx chip, for which the core is an ARM 926. 18.38.34 # the firmware is not encrypted? 18.38.43 # (or at least de-crypted) 18.38.56 # I've decrypted it. 18.39.23 # and little endian I assume? 18.39.34 # arm-elf-objdump produces actual instructions, whereas IDA keeps giving me DCB... 18.39.37 # yes, little-endia 18.39.39 # n 18.40.08 # do you have a link to the firmware for me to try? 18.40.28 # I'll put it up, sure. 18.40.32 # give me a minute. 18.40.49 # thanks 18.42.18 # zeroth__: ida pro requires you to mark out what data is code yourself 18.42.25 # ah 18.42.36 # press "c" with the cursor on some data and it'll try 18.42.47 # it'll tell you if it fail, and if it does, the data is usually actually just that, data 18.42.51 # a constant pool or some other table 18.43.13 # hmm 18.43.23 # works pretty well 18.43.52 # although sometimes I wish it would go through the whole file and guess if it's an instruction or not 18.43.58 # me too...... 18.44.08 # yeah, same here obviously 18.44.23 # let's make our own arm disassembler do that :) 18.44.32 # there we go, getting some stuff 18.44.43 # use arm-elf-disassembler, and then add on a gui 18.45.47 # here's the decrypted firmware 18.45.47 # http://oddco.ca/orig-firm.bin 18.45.59 # the first 24 bytes should be ignored. 18.46.52 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23EC18.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.46.55 # thanks, but now that you have figured it out I don't think it's very useful for me to try it :) 18.47.40 # lol 18.47.41 # true 18.48.19 # there is a disassembler in the rockbox tree under utils/disassembler/arm 18.48.34 # * bertrik didn't know that 18.48.44 # but it needs work 18.49.33 # yeah, ida has some interesting stuff. 18.53.16 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-194-248.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.54.59 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.55.12 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.57.31 # thanks guys. 18.57.33 Quit zeroth__ ("Ex-Chat") 18.58.26 Quit nnakiechp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.59.33 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.06.12 Quit gevaerts ("Reconnecting") 19.06.16 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 19.07.55 Quit Horscht ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 19.16.02 Join borges [0] (n=bruges@e179035003.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.16.46 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.55 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.18.25 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 19.19.22 Quit bertrik ("bye") 19.19.35 Nick borges is now known as borges|afk (n=bruges@e179035003.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.23.25 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.23.32 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.23.57 Join silvio_ [0] (n=silvio@adsl-84-226-66-132.adslplus.ch) 19.24.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.25.14 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.26.45 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.38.48 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.54.19 Quit borges|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.58 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 19.56.59 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.57.30 Join borges|afk__ [0] (n=bruges@brln-4d0c0ecc.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.57.35 Nick borges|afk__ is now known as borges|afk (n=bruges@brln-4d0c0ecc.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.57.42 # When I'm trying to compile Rockbox with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 patch, I see a lot of errors - http://pastebin.com/d5447929a 20.02.28 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 20.02.56 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@75.35.112.15) 20.04.38 Part J-23 20.05.11 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 20.10.02 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 20.12.28 Join webguest30 [0] (n=45290e51@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b273930a9690b764) 20.12.56 Quit webguest30 (Client Quit) 20.17.16 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.32.35 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.32.52 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.33.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.37.00 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FORTY.MIT.EDU) 20.38.43 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.18 # J-23: i guess you have applied the diff twice 20.40.04 # the only thing that needs fixing are the calls to playback_control(rb); 20.40.30 # change them to playback_control(rb, NULL); 20.40.34 Join inigo [0] (n=621cdcfd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-14fed46d2e928dcf) 20.40.49 # DerPapst: Can I use sed? 20.41.22 # it's maybe 2 or 3 calls max 20.41.34 # i'd be easier to do it manually. 20.41.54 # also you have to remove every dublication 20.42.44 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 20.42.55 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.43.29 # DerPapst: Can I do it automatically? 20.43.30 # i guess almost all files are containing their content twice (don't know how to explain better). 20.43.44 # i doubt that 20.44.35 # How? 20.44.36 # remove everything, edit the diff file (the playback_control calls) and apply that again 20.44.47 # i guess this is the fastes way. 20.48.28 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.49.15 # thanks 20.51.48 # now it returns http://pastebin.com/dd4d5184 :/ 20.54.12 # looks odd. why are there pfrintf calls in? 20.55.56 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@f053152031.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.57.00 Join bluebrot13r [0] (n=dom@f053152038.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.57.03 Join ApplianceBlue [0] (n=a@S010600146c805201.cc.shawcable.net) 20.57.31 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 20.57.35 Nick bluebrot13r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@f053152038.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.58.37 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.58.37 Quit inigo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.58.47 # i know 6th gen ipod is not supported, are there plans to have it supported in the future? 20.59.05 # Only when someone works on it. 20.59.22 # * LambdaCalculus37 is not that someone 20.59.37 # has it been started? 20.59.43 # currently there is no one working on it. 20.59.49 # :/ 21.00.23 # bummer 21.00.51 # and so far, it seems that no one is interested in doing it, since there are some major obstacles to overcome 21.02.29 # problem is that i want folder structure organization 21.02.32 # and i just cant have it 21.02.50 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.02.52 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 21.02.54 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.03.43 Quit silvio_ ("Verlassend") 21.07.55 Join Danisregistered [0] (n=Vicious@bzq-79-181-255-131.red.bezeqint.net) 21.07.59 # hey faggots 21.07.59 # So get a Rockbox-compatible DAP. 21.08.02 # how many of you are faggots? 21.08.08 # i'm a faggot. 21.08.25 # scorche, scorche|sh: ping 21.08.36 # Danisregistered: We're humans, not cigarettes. 21.08.48 # how is that relevant LambdaCalculus37 21.09.23 # Ask a British person. Now is there something we can help you with? 21.09.32 # ApplianceBlue: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 21.10.25 # no 21.10.30 # you can't help me with anything. 21.10.39 # you suck. 21.10.51 # * bluebrother wonders how that logbot thing worked again ... 21.11.16 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 21.12.14 # * DerPapst thinks it should be documented somewhere :-P 21.12.32 # * LambdaCalculus37 agrees with DerPapst 21.12.56 # * bluebrother wonders who actually has the needed permissions 21.13.17 # scorche|sh, amiconn, the swedes.... 21.13.31 # don't know who else 21.13.37 # Llorean and lostlogic too i think 21.13.42 # I think there was something different with summoning logbot 21.13.45 Join BigBambi_PC [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.9) 21.13.59 Quit bluebroth3r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.14.53 Mode "#rockbox +o logbot " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.15.12 # * DerPapst hides 21.15.26 # * bluebrother notices something happened with logbot ;-) 21.15.54 # DerPapst: what did you do? 21.16.03 # nothing 21.16.14 # DerPapst: You have a mighty power! 21.16.57 # i guess when i start messing with logbot it kicks me :-P 21.20.11 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.20.17 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.24.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.29.02 # does someone know the usb PID of the Ipod Classic? We already can detect the Nano 2G/3G using the PID in Rockbox Utility, would be nice if we could the same for the Classic 21.29.38 # bluebrother: I can get that later on. 21.29.38 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.29.44 # My brother and sister each have a Classic. 21.30.18 # LambdaCalculus37: would be great ... could you also add it to the DeviceDetection wiki page? 21.30.28 # bluebrother: how your bootloader install rework going ? :-) 21.30.34 # +is 21.31.09 # bluefrother: Sure thing. :) 21.31.13 # * LambdaCalculus37 smacks self 21.31.50 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.31.54 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 21.32.01 # * bluebrother wonders what a "frother" is ;-) 21.32.13 Quit midgey () 21.32.25 # * LambdaCalculus37 turns off his Dyslexia Ray 21.32.35 # bluebrother: What happens when I type too fast. :) 21.32.41 # domonoky: I now have the basic idea how to do it in my head. Will start a first try on the weekend. 21.32.48 # let's see how far I'll get ;-) 21.33.04 # post a patch when you get stuck.. :-) 21.34.22 # sure, will annoy you ;-) 21.34.30 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.34.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.34.49 # btw, your last commit "added" some warnings as "extra feature" ;-) 21.35.24 # can you fix those? They are really annoying and I haven't figured out how to fix the copy constructor warning myself 21.35.26 # i somehow dont get this warnings... so thank you for fixing.. :-) 21.36.17 # there's still one left: http://www.pastebin.ca/997687 21.37.37 # but as the copy constructor is empty I'm wondering if it's needed at all? 21.38.31 # not really, as it is private, it just prevents you from copying the setting object... 21.39.19 # we could also remove it, and trust the programmers to not copy it.. as this is probably not working..:-) 21.39.40 # I'm fine if you can explain me how to kill that remaining warning (or kill it yourself) 21.44.55 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.45.06 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.45.45 # you just have to do what the warings says: create the parent object (QObject) explicitly by modifiying the copy contructor like this : RbSettings(const RbSettings& other) :QObject() 21.45.45 # { (void)other; } :-) 21.46.16 # bother? 21.46.32 # but i will fix it myself.. :-) 21.46.40 # ok, thanks 21.46.51 # How can I fix http://pastebin.com/dd4d5184 ? 21.47.12 # I only tried : QObject(other) -- thought I'd need a parameter 21.47.29 # and didn't succeed with googling earlier ;-) 21.48.09 # it was the 4the entry on google with the exact waring message.. :-) 21.48.30 # J-23: you're writing a plugin? Do you use the rb-> pointer to access the core functions? 21.48.49 # * bluebrother goes standing in the corner 21.48.56 # I'm trying to compile Rockbox with Wikipedia plugin. 21.49.00 # seems I was too tired yesterday evening 21.49.36 Join Shuddertrix [0] (i=Tarrish@unaffiliated/shuddertrix) 21.51.15 # anyway thanxs for fixing my code... again.. :-) 21.52.20 # hehe ... you're welcome 21.56.40 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-112-231.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.56.44 Join inakihjlg [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 21.56.58 Quit BigBambi_PC ("Leaving") 21.57.23 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 21.58.45 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3d09b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a62fda1dea8466ac) 22.00.04 # DerPapst_: hello. I've just added a comment to the flashlight plugin patch. But I might have understood something wrong, so use with care! 22.00.58 # J-23: mww.c:1271 needs to read playback_control(rb, NULL); 22.01.16 # if I change that it builds fine. What target are you trying? 22.01.34 # Sansa c240 22.01.39 # simulator 22.02.06 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.03.12 # now it returns http://pastebin.com/dc8a4a15 22.04.20 Join BigBambi_PC [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.9) 22.05.34 Quit BigBambi_PC (Client Quit) 22.05.49 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.05.52 Join BigBambi_PC [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.9) 22.06.58 # J-23: seems the plugin doesn't like building for the sim 22.07.37 # bluebrother: I'm trying to build it for real player. 22.10.02 # and it returned http://pastebin.com/d7bd921bd 22.11.02 # DerPapst: hello. I've looked in other plugins and see that I'm right. USB requires a special return (if the plugin want to be a good citizen of course) 22.14.37 # J-23: there are two problematic files: btsearch.h and bbfuncs.c 22.15.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755?getfile=15890 - mww29.diff.bz2 22.15.19 # you need to #if !defined(SIMULATOR) the #defines for read and write and make an else clause using rb->sim_read / write 22.15.29 # you'll still get warnings, but it'll build afterwards. 22.17.14 # When I'm trying to build it for normal player, it returns http://pastebin.com/d7bd921bd 22.18.50 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.19.17 # * bluebrother goes trying e200 target 22.19.55 # * J-23 tries to compile it for iPod Color/Photo 22.21.36 # (sim) 22.21.40 # and it still returns http://pastebin.com/dc8a4a15 22.23.15 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.23.31 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.25.04 # it shouldn't complain about a member called "rb" -- that's the pointer 22.26.47 # J-23: what does line 4 of bbfuncs.c read? 22.27.25 # #define read rb->read 22.27.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E70.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.27.35 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-79-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) 22.27.39 # hmm. Same here. 22.27.42 # * gevaerts also tried compiling, and apart from the playback_control() thing there were no errors 22.27.48 # tried a "make clean"? 22.28.11 # and are you sure your source is up to date? 22.28.12 # I've removed all files and subdirectories from "build" directory 22.28.26 # Yes, I've synced it with SVN 22.29.16 Quit styleism (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.51 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@f053152144.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.30.59 Quit BigBambi_PC ("Leaving") 22.33.37 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 22.33.37 Quit w1ll14m|aw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.33.40 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 22.33.41 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.34.19 # damn network dropouts :( 22.35.01 # J-23: any progress? 22.35.17 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.34 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.35.52 Join styleism [0] (n=styleism@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 22.36.07 Join Spartanq77 [0] (n=dylanwin@cpe-65-31-11-13.insight.res.rr.com) 22.36.23 # Is there much rockbox related you can install after you install rockbox? 22.36.30 # Not including themes 22.37.08 # no. 22.37.40 # fonts, a few game files, and maybe voice/talk files... not much more.. 22.38.13 # wow ... adding -pedantic breaks building rbutil completely 22.38.44 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.38.45 # J-23: I uploaded a fixed version of that patch. If you apply that one instead of the one you have, it should at least compile 22.38.46 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 22.38.48 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.39.13 # OK. Well, this is off topic but please help I just want a quick response. Do I need ipod linux (I just have rockbox and loader 2 installed) to install iBoy and iDoom? 22.39.35 # yes, those are IPL software. 22.39.42 # yes, but you don't need it to use rockboy and doom for rockbox 22.39.58 # we have Rockboy and Rockdoom instead. 22.40.51 # Can I use the touchwheel for rockdoom? 22.41.04 # * gevaerts recommends the manual 22.41.26 # I don't think so ... but I never wanted to play doom on the Ipod 22.41.32 # I checked the manual! 22.43.14 Mode "#rockbox -o logbot " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.43.14 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.43.21 Kick (#rockbox Danisregistered :scorche|sh) by scorche|sh!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche 22.43.21 Join Danisregistered [0] (n=Vicious@bzq-79-181-255-131.red.bezeqint.net) 22.43.28 # * DerPapst hides 22.43.28 Part Danisregistered (requested by scorche|sh) 22.43.31 Join Danisregistered [0] (n=Vicious@bzq-79-181-255-131.red.bezeqint.net) 22.43.39 # * scorche|sh sighs 22.43.39 # Again pardon it being offtopic but I just wanted a quicker response, would ipodlinux installation require a restore? So I'd have to install rockbox after ipodlinux? 22.43.59 # Spartanq77: correct...offtopic...there is #ipodlinux 22.44.13 # Spartanq77: see the IPL wiki. You can install IPL along with Rockbox without any problems. 22.44.20 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.44.20 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.44.26 # and we have #rockbox-community for OT chat ;-) 22.44.35 # Oh, i just saw the ipodlinux site and I thought it didn't mention an IRC channel 22.44.52 # #ipodlinux 22.44.57 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*Vicious@bzq-79-181-255-131.red.bezeqint.net " by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.45.06 Join Byron [0] (n=Byron@71.239.173.125) 22.45.07 # gah copy-paste error, sorry 22.45.19 Kick (#rockbox Danisregistered :auto-rejoin my tooshie...) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche 22.45.31 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.46.09 # Hey all, I am taking a Sansa c250 back to Best Buy as it has the v2 Firmware. Is there another player that is easier to find that will work with Rockbox, especially the speech part of it. I would like to buy it from Best Buy if I can. 22.46.32 # since I'll be there anyway. 22.46.41 # You won't find new rockbox compatible players easily 22.46.58 # that's a shame 22.47.56 # Byron, if you like ipods and would have patience for ebay, ipod nanos (1gb, 1st gen) are going rather cheaply and work splendidly. I got mine for $10, though the guy thought it was broke but I fixed it. 22.47.59 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=william@dhcp-077-249-150-171.chello.nl) 22.48.26 Quit J-23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.49.26 # * Spartanq77 slaps Byron around a bit with a large trout 22.49.30 Join BigBambi_PC [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.9) 22.49.57 # ouch 22.50.05 # * gevaerts thinks that buying "broken" players is a bit of a lottery 22.50.10 # that hurt :-) 22.51.08 # Lol. Oh, and gevaerts, working ones are sold as well, I'm saying broken are really cheap, working ones don't go past $60. though I wish I could sell this one for $60. 22.51.41 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.51.42 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.42 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.52.01 # Well, see the biggest problem is my Girlfriend's Birthday is the 2nd May 22.52.27 # so I'm trying to find a RockBox player that I can make talk 22.53.09 # Oh I see :D. I haven't used other media players then ipods, so that's a cool feature. Oh, and iron man comes out that day as well 22.53.25 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.231) 22.54.19 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180076186.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.54.24 # is there any way to tell on the box of the Sansa Players what firmware version they use? 22.54.59 # nope 22.55.02 # Byron, generally not. audible support is a possible, but not always accurate indicator. 22.55.18 # The "official" recommended way is to look for "supports Audible" which should mean a v2, but there are exceptions 22.56.15 # so, the Sansa player is really the only one out there right now that I might find one in a store? I know for SURE that the archos players are impossible to find. 22.56.36 # Byron, one thing i see with the e200v1s they came in black or white boxes, the e200v2s comes in a black/blue box.. that is not 100% i think 22.58.40 # ah, okay 22.58.45 # that's a good tip too 22.59.18 # I take it the irivers are not generally easy to find? 22.59.35 # There are currently some on ebay, supposedy new 22.59.51 Quit corevette ("Leaving") 22.59.58 # I thought irivers were easy to find, I've seen them on best buy ads a lot of times. 23.00.33 # Yes, but which irivers ? 23.00.55 # no clue on that though 23.01.31 # Hey, how could I prevent songs appearing twice on rockbox? Is it from updating the database with the same song? 23.01.35 Quit m0f0x () 23.01.54 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.01.56 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 23.01.58 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.02.15 # Spartanq77: make sure you have dircache enabled -- IIRC this is needed to detect changed songs. 23.02.22 # Spartanq77: check for hidden trash directories? 23.02.36 # also, check if you have a possible copy of the ... too slow 23.07.04 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.11.58 # bluebrother: dircache shouldn't be necessary anymore, though the update is said to be slow otherwise. Haven't tried though yet 23.12.27 # ah, ok 23.13.20 # I'm at www.bestbuy.com and I don't see any irivers 23.14.00 # or any other compatible players 23.14.17 # There are many irvers, and only three (series) work with Rockbox 23.14.19 Quit ompaul ("not here") 23.14.35 # Yep 23.17.46 # stand by for new target in the table 23.18.06 # * Bagder puts his dancing shoes on 23.18.27 # * BigBambi_PC starts humming "Pretty In Pink" 23.18.42 # * bluebrother drumrolls 23.18.49 # psychedelic furs 23.20.01 # The table is mental these days 23.21.21 # (which = lots of tqrgets qnd therefore is qgood thing!) 23.21.55 # qhat qare qou qsaying? 23.22.06 # * DerPapst wonders if someone has a slightly too big "Q" button 23.22.25 Quit Spartanq77 () 23.22.37 Join Spartanq77 [0] (n=dylanwin@cpe-65-31-11-13.insight.res.rr.com) 23.22.37 # BigBqmbi again :P 23.22.38 Part Spartanq77 23.22.45 # * scorche|sh changes BigBambi_PC's keymapping to qwerty 23.22.46 # Bagder: I spend a lot of my time switching between qwerty and azerty keyboards, and my brain can't always keep up :/ 23.23.07 # I can fully understand that. azerty should be made illegal 23.23.13 # * preglow concurs 23.23.16 # I agree :) 23.23.35 # the french always have to be special, don't they! 23.23.37 # :P 23.23.40 # * gevaerts doesn't disagree 23.24.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.25.51 # Normally it is azerty on a full keyboard at work and qwerty on laptop at home, and my brain seems to cope with that. However this evening I'm using a qwerty on a 'full' keyboard and my brain has rebelled 23.26.42 # * Bagder does the rare "oh-the-new-zvm-port-in-the-table-is-a-yellow-nine" dance 23.26.55 # That can't come up much :) 23.26.58 # * gevaerts records this dance for posterity 23.27.48 # If we all record it from different angles the Rockbox planetary memory will have a full record 23.31.46 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 23.32.13 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 23.34.17 # gevaerts: I thought you had said that there was something in the way you of being able to present the MicroSD slot to windows. 23.34.41 # Or maybe I misunderstood and the only problem was that you can't present it to windows in the same way as it appears within Rockbox? 23.35.02 # Llorean: that's a long time ago 23.35.37 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 23.35.41 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 23.35.48 # Ah. I try to keep up to date but I must've missed it changing. 23.36.09 Quit Shuddertrix () 23.37.05 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 23.37.46 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 23.40.27 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.40.53 Quit roolku () 23.44.23 # shouldn't DEBUGF output be coming up in the terminal when I run the sim? 23.44.38 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 23.44.46 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=DerPapst@p5B23C5DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.52.09 Join Leperkawn [0] (n=chatzill@68-188-192-35.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com)