--- Log for 02.05.108 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 18 hours and 52 minutes ago 00.02.07 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.02.39 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.05.34 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.06.14 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.06.33 # hmm, there's a patch for x^y in the tracker but i doubt the poster tried it because he used pow() but didn't provide a pow function... 00.09.24 # * amiconn doesn't understand why calculator.c uses a separate variable for the exponent 00.13.21 # n1s: Well, the most important functions are obviously ln() and exp(). Once you have those, you can easily implement log(), 10^x, x^y etc 00.13.59 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.170.235) 00.18.23 Quit CyBergRind|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.07 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.22.33 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...") 00.23.26 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eeee5d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-810fb5be8cebe74f) 00.28.33 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC") 00.35.58 # hmm i don't understand blackhawk's concerns about the headers he used to compile for the moto cell phones 00.36.21 # they appear to have been reverse engineered without access to any non-GPLed code, and are released under GPL license 00.37.13 # Where are blackhawk's concerns? 00.37.32 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.msg107383#msg107383 00.37.34 Join ali_as [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 00.38.16 # although it might be a problem that the build tool needs a binrary lib file off the phone itself 00.38.35 # if its actually linked into the rockbox binary 00.38.53 Quit bluebrother ("Verlassend") 00.40.01 # So these phones are based on qt/embedded, which isn't open source? 00.40.10 # its GPLed 00.40.24 # but moto apparently licensed it under proprietary terms and made minor changes 00.41.31 Quit Synergy6 ("Adios") 00.42.19 # these changes were then reverse engineered to modify the qt GPL headers to work with the system libraries on the phone 00.42.26 # at least thats my understanding 00.43.32 # And you're still interested in this target? ;) 00.44.11 # see http://lsb.blogdns.com/ezx-devkit 00.44.25 # linuxstb: well, it apparently works, so I'd like to get it merged into SVN 00.45.02 # how often does someone give us a patch that adds support for 5 or 6 new targets 00.45.08 # even if its a mess 00.45.15 # anyway, got to run 00.45.20 # IMO, if we can't distribute the build environment, it's not worth incorporating in SVN. But maybe that's just me... 00.45.34 # well the build tools are GPL, so we can do that 00.45.55 # But if it requires "illegal" header files, no-one can build it. 00.46.24 # the headers are legal, at least the author says they're reverse engineered and he licenses them under teh GPL 00.46.27 # n1s: for the calculator, you can test is the user font is ok in size, if not use the system font 00.46.35 # i can't find anything about a leaked moto sdk, so I'm not sure what thats about 00.49.32 # toffe82: yes, that's what I do 00.50.44 Nick gromit` is now known as gromit`SDF (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-59-150.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.50.50 Nick gromit`SDF is now known as gromit (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-59-150.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.51.08 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.51.13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.55.01 # n1s: I missed the line reading the diff ;) 00.55.31 # heh, np :) 00.56.45 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.57.13 Quit ali_as_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.17 # n1s: a few month ago I tried to modified it the same way but I had problem when using different font, the result was not always erased completely 00.59.15 Quit dandin1 () 01.03.46 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.04.38 # saratoga: The whole thing just seems wrong to me - linking Rockbox to a library with a non-GPL compatible license (the Motorola version of Qte) would seem to violate Rockbox's GPL, regardless of the header situation. 01.04.38 Quit gevaerts ("night=sleep") 01.05.54 Quit bertrik ("bye") 01.06.46 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.07.19 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.09.01 # * n1s actually used some of all that calculus stuff he is supposed to know :) 01.09.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.10.45 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.10.54 # * linuxstb sleeps 01.11.09 # ok, exactly the same results as my ti82, i'm happy :) 01.13.08 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.13.26 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.25.19 Quit JdGordon|zzz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.27.15 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.30.07 Quit ender` (" I went to the cinema, and the prices were: Adults $5.00, children $2.50. So I said, "Give me two boys and a girl."") 01.35.47 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 01.37.37 Part toffe82 01.39.17 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.41.39 Quit tonyyarusso (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.14 Join ordex [0] (n=linuxaro@131.114.248.35) 01.47.18 # hi men 01.47.25 # any info about divx on rockbox? 01.47.27 # thanks 01.48.37 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821707c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-56c9055ccf011695) 01.48.54 # ordex: it's not supported by rockbox 01.49.26 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.50.23 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 01.53.10 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821707c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-92f3c36d86298aec) 01.55.20 Join tonyyarusso [0] (n=tony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso) 01.56.05 Quit n1s () 02.02.18 # :( 02.02.24 # so noway for divx 02.02.28 # an external plugin? 02.02.30 # :/ 02.02.53 # not unless you write one. 02.03.56 # mh :) 02.11.04 Quit barrywardell () 02.17.02 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable002.173-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 02.29.37 Join bleaked [0] (n=excitato@CPE-65-30-186-176.wi.res.rr.com) 02.29.48 # does rockbox support embedded cover art? 02.33.49 # no. details about album art can be found on the AlbumArt wiki page 02.33.51 # not currently 02.37.15 # also, i'm sorry if this is documented (just spent 20 min looking on teh wiki) but what is the most painless way to update rockbox without losing my settings or it overwriting my themes/fonts/etc.. 02.37.16 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.37.22 # like is there a nice bash script i can use? 02.38.40 # you can just unzip the new build 02.38.40 # ah, it's in the manual, not wiki 02.39.00 # bleaked: I usually do "unzip -o rockbox.zip -d /mnt/usb" and it works fine without overwriting any settings 02.41.44 # markun: hrm.. well, after doing that the rockbox bootloader informed me it could not find rockbox.ipod 02.42.02 # bleaked: then something went wrong.. 02.42.15 # that's a sign of an out of date bootloader 02.42.57 # * scorche|sh deletes his question of whahich bootloader he is running 02.43.02 # which even 02.43.32 # ok 02.43.45 # well, what's the best way to update the bootloader? 02.43.52 # a fresh re-install? 02.44.15 # the manual will tell you 02.44.18 # this rockbox install is well over a year and a half old 02.44.33 # then yes...a new bootloader will do wonders ;) 02.44.47 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.46.05 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-171-53.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.48.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 02.50.50 # ooh..this rbutil is nice.. extra points for qt 02.54.09 # however, it keeps saying my configuration is wrong.. the only thing i can see is the TTS engine settings.. but i have no idea what that is? 02.54.55 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.55.01 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.56.27 Quit tedrock () 03.04.55 # linuxstb: (for the logs) i'm pretty sure GPLed software can use non-GPLed OS libraries 03.06.25 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.07.41 Join tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-144-17.home1.cgocable.net) 03.10.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.23.19 Quit midgey () 03.25.23 # JdGordon: around? 03.26.30 Quit ordex (Client Quit) 03.39.28 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 03.41.52 Join csc [0] (n=csc@ip68-227-145-118.no.no.cox.net) 03.42.37 Nick csc is now known as csc` (n=csc@ip68-227-145-118.no.no.cox.net) 03.50.29 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.50.35 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.58.15 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.00.20 # saratoga: hey 04.02.56 Join InigoMontoya [0] (n=621cdcfd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9d1d0e0d4062143d) 04.03.42 # hello all, does anyone have any ideas on why the doom plugin crashes when set to rotate 90 degrees on a sansa e200? 04.04.08 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.04.14 # saratoga: hmm.. ok, ill be back in 30min or so... and then probabl not till sunday my time 04.06.31 Join tkooda_ [0] (i=goaway@box.wtf.la) 04.07.20 # is there a feature of rockbox that can prompt to delete files after playing them? 04.07.36 Quit InigoMontoya (Client Quit) 04.10.13 # JdGordon: damn it 04.11.48 Quit tkooda_ ("leaving") 04.12.57 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.13.06 Join tkooda [0] (i=goaway@box.wtf.la) 04.13.08 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 04.22.58 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-37-119-223.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 04.26.10 # is it possible to log the PATHS to the files that I've played? (e.g. so that I can have a script delete them next time it's mounted via usb?) 04.27.35 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 04.27.46 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 04.29.37 # you can just make a playlist of the songs 04.29.47 # m3u is essentially a list of paths 04.29.48 Quit XavierGr (Client Quit) 04.30.06 # that won't indicate what I've actually played yet though 04.30.37 # scrobber.log appears to store id3 tag info (if it exists), not filename+path 04.31.19 # just cot off everything after what you have played 04.31.22 # cut 04.32.11 Join mightybrick [0] (n=brock@74.211.9.113) 04.32.33 # you could probably modify the source code to write a log pretty easily 04.32.39 # you also might want to check out the Gather Runtime Data option for the database 04.32.39 # so I can't just play whatever I feel like at the time and have it log it? -I have to pre-emptively add the tracks to a playlist, play from that, and then remember which was the last one I played? 04.32.48 # I'll checkout GRD 04.33.21 # is there any way to prompt the WPS screen for a Yes/No between tracks? 04.33.23 # as saratoga said, to implement such a logging would probably be pretty simple 04.33.39 # why would we have that?...again, you could code something up 04.34.22 # I'm going* to try. I'm asking if there's some pre-existing interface for promting the user or something that I would want to leverage (so as to get the code accepted upstream) 04.34.41 # thats not going to be accepted 04.34.57 # there isnt any valid usecase for that option in normal use 04.35.07 # a "prompt for delete after playing" option wouldn't be accepted? 04.35.25 # i wouldnt think so 04.35.45 # not to say that you shouldnt try...if you do, at least there will be a patch 04.35.48 # I play audio from rss feeds and want to indicate what ones I've played (so I can delete them next sync), or, even better, delete them right then 04.36.23 # is there another/suggested way to play audio from rss feeds (where you want to delete the audio after hearing it once) 04.36.26 # ? 04.36.50 # context menu and choosing delete 04.37.00 # this is embedded programming...everything we add has an impact on our finite resources so things need to be looked at to see if it is really worth adding 04.37.48 # scorche, is it feasable that an option would be accepted upstream, but disabled by default at compile time? 04.37.55 # it is 2 button presses away from deleting, so i do not think adding an option for an auto prompt would be justified 04.38.15 # perhaps I'm just unfarmiliar with the delete interface. I'll try again now. 04.38.19 # that would unnecessarily add complexity to the code 04.38.43 # if you make a patch, you can just put it on the tracker... 04.38.44 # debatable. (I believe the video player is more than I'd like on my device right now) 04.39.20 # then ifdef it out.. 04.39.49 # however the video player is a plugin....this does not add to the core (beyond API changes) 04.41.17 # saratoga: im back 04.42.51 # JdGordon: do you use googletalk or some other chat program? 04.43.15 # that and msn 04.43.34 # my account google address is mgiacomelli, could you add me? 04.44.28 # if I knew how to :p 04.44.41 # i use it in gmail only.. but thats pretty muych always open anwyay 04.47.34 Join webguest42 [0] (n=464015a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0d9ee379caec9224) 04.48.32 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 04.48.33 Quit webguest42 (Client Quit) 04.51.20 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 04.51.26 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.03.34 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 05.06.22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7A82.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.10.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.11.11 Quit bleaked (Remote closed the connection) 05.14.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.28.12 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-174-104-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.32.25 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279531982.dsl.bell.ca) 05.33.30 Join Rogue84 [0] (n=Rogue@pool-96-245-91-40.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) 05.34.48 # having a problem installing rockbox 05.35.11 # I get this message when I run ipodpatcher in linux 05.35.15 # [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda1 05.35.15 # [INFO] Sector size is 4096 bytes 05.35.16 # [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod 05.35.39 # any help please thanks 05.37.11 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.37.22 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.37.28 Quit midgey (Remote closed the connection) 05.37.30 # is it possible to charge a GB F40 (with current rb) via USB while playing? 05.37.33 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.38.27 # tkooda, yes. hold the menu or a button while plugging in (don't recall which; check the manual to be sure) 05.39.12 # menu. 05.40.12 # excellent! thanks! 05.41.34 # the r17303-080502 is beautiful compared to the r15550-071109 I had before, btw. nice work guys 05.42.06 # Hiya 05.45.33 # tkooda, ah, so you're using the new Cabbie v2 theme, then? i agree, it really looks quite nice. 05.46.29 # krazykit, I think it kept my ajax theme (most readable technical info, IMHO) 05.46.50 # just the menus are more readable (e.g.: color + icons) 05.55.44 Quit Zarggg () 06.04.08 Part mightybrick 06.12.06 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.12.46 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.52 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 06.32.25 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|afk (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.37.51 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.41.55 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.44.17 Quit perplexity (No route to host) 06.45.13 Quit advcomp2019 ("Don't follow me") 06.53.58 Quit Shaid ("*toink*") 06.57.35 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.04.33 # hmm... rolo for giga... have to grab that 07.08.00 # what's rolo do? :/ 07.08.14 # what else can you load with it, i mean 07.10.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.13.58 # well i would assume you can dual boot original firmware and rockbox. 07.14.12 # i guess i don't have a reason to do that yet..but good to know i can :) 07.15.46 Join brent113_ [0] (n=brent113@63.224.195.247) 07.16.16 Quit brent113_ (Client Quit) 07.16.29 Join brent113_ [0] (n=brent113@63.224.195.247) 07.18.12 # hey people, just curious if anyone knows the future of the sansa e200 usb development, will it ever be completed? 07.18.18 # hmm... that didn't go so well 07.20.01 # brent113_: probably 07.20.44 # grr.. i don't feel like taking this thing apart 07.20.51 # compiled a new boot loader 07.20.58 # maybe that was the wrong thing to do 07.21.09 # either that or the rolo build is hosed 07.22.07 # jhMikeS: around? 07.22.57 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.25.15 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.27.15 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.28.04 # hmm.. anyone remember the key combo for recovery mode on the gigabeat? 07.28.09 # goffa: gotcha... not sure if i have rolo, whatever the installer put on there for me, but i can boot to OF quite easily... 07.28.47 # also.. you are supposed to be able to be able to click on different versions of firmware and boot them 07.29.07 # ah, gotcha 07.29.21 # try out bleeding edge firmwares, etc... makes sense 07.30.17 # yep... its great except when you hose your bootloader like i just did :) 07.30.31 # urg... woops 07.30.39 # godbless recovery 07.30.44 # yeah 07.31.05 # its a pain though... 07.31.27 # better than having to get a new gigabeat, etc 07.31.48 # indeed 07.35.08 # jhMikeS: (for the logs) I think FS #8906 is SDL's fault 07.35.51 # i loaded up the sim under gdb in os x and linux to see why it froze on the mac 07.36.24 # it seemed to get stuck in switch_thread, specifically in the case SDL_MUTEX_TIMEDOUT 07.37.48 # on mac, gdb reports the sim enters the while loop on line 302 and never exits. it just pings back and forth between line 302 and 303 07.38.18 # on linux, gdb reports the sim does not enter the while loop and continues on to restore_irq() on line 306 07.38.41 # i'm going to try updating sdl to see if the problem goes away. 07.39.11 # right now i'm on 1.2.12 and i'm trying to upgrade to 1.2.13 (configure seems to be stuck...) 07.41.36 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.48.34 # yeah.. bootloader is broke on latest svn for gigabeat 07.52.40 Quit csc` ("If you can't do anything smart, do somethin right ~Serenity") 07.55.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 07.59.02 Join MSI [0] (i=L@12-202-42-127.client.mchsi.com) 08.02.00 # Hi, I had a quick question about using Rockbox on my 30GB 5th Gen iPod Video. Where exactly would I place my music for it to be able to read the database? It seems to have messed up when I tried doing so via my itunes library.I ended up having to restore the ipod. Any help would be wonderful, thank you. 08.04.53 Join Monkeytamer [0] (n=chatzill@24-205-228-141.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) 08.05.49 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCFAC1.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.06.50 # has it ever worked with that version of firmware? 08.07.39 # I don't honestly know, as this is the first time I'm using it. The ipod firmware is v1.3 though 08.08.02 # did you use the rockbox util and it downloaded the firmware for you? 08.08.09 # yes 08.08.22 # my friend just had a problem with that, the downloader downloads an old version 08.08.34 # you need to manually download the newer one 08.08.40 # well i just updated it to a new daily build 08.08.53 # So I guess we will have to try that. 08.08.54 # oh, so what's the problem again? 08.09.51 # I don't know where or what folder to dump my music back into. I'm not fond of iTunes anyway so is there another way to add my music maybe something as simple as a folder called Music on root? 08.10.34 # 1) don't use itunes, your ipod is now a usb device using a different database and 2) it doesn't matter what folder 08.10.53 # use winamp or something, it doesn't really matter, just not itunes 08.10.54 # so I could just make a music folder and it would go fine 08.11.05 # you could dump it into root, a music folder, whatever 08.11.10 # Ok thanks 08.11.12 # i have mine in a folder named songs 08.11.21 # hopefully that helps, i have a sansa 08.11.27 # that's what i'm basing it on 08.11.44 # I'll dump like 3 songs on and test it 08.11.46 # ;) 08.11.55 # jhMikeS: Why do you need to fake IRAM on the beast at all? 08.11.58 # I'll get back to you in a minute to let you know if it works out fine 08.13.10 # jhMikeS: and if it's helpful, i've uploaded the gdb output from both sims (albeit with some differences in sdl, rockbox version etc) 08.13.15 # http://pastebin.ca/1004658 08.13.33 # sdl 1.2.13 made no difference 08.13.45 # It should be sufficient to make sure that config.h lines 423..453 define all I*_ATTR macros as empty 08.13.54 # ...for the S 08.14.47 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.15.07 # can Rockbox not handle MP4a? 08.15.15 # And afaics it does that.... 08.15.20 # amiconn: it's only 16K and works for the time being. I'll evaluate later. 08.15.40 # as the audio is jumping, and vocals are chimpmunked 08.16.03 # jhMikeS: I know that you don't use it. I mean you shouldn't need to fake it, as config.h makes sure no C code will require it 08.16.17 # jhMikeS: those line numbers from earlier are in thread-sdl.c 08.16.28 # there's some cases of iram used in asm code 08.17.08 # right now it's more of a concern to get it playing music since that could happen from the next few minutes to the next weeks depending if I figure out the correct setup 08.17.11 # Hmm. In that case I'd rather ifdef the asm code. 08.17.34 # midgey: I'll have a look 08.18.26 # There are a few asm files where that's done, e.g. ata-as-arm.S 08.19.03 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.19.04 # midgey: All I'm seeing is "Please Note: All posts are set to expire in 30 days by default now. You can change this in the drop down if you want." 08.20.04 # ah, clicking "Hide Menu" worked 08.21.00 Quit MSI () 08.21.14 Part toffe82 08.22.37 # jhMikeS: i found the problem 08.22.43 # midgey: why is this about anyway? 08.22.46 # *what 08.22.55 # nothing in your code, it's sdl's fault 08.22.58 Join ackbahr [0] (n=jean@d83-189-169-57.cust.tele2.ch) 08.23.07 # the simulator locks up in os x 08.23.21 # what part of sdl? 08.23.50 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.24.10 # specifically, SDL_SemWaitTimeout is broken 08.24.26 # hmmm 08.24.26 Quit advcomp2019 ("Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.") 08.24.55 # seems to affect us when SDL_SemTryWait is called in thread-sdl 08.25.33 # things don't work too well if that's the case 08.25.54 # i dont really know how the threading works, but this seems to be the issues 08.25.55 # http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570 08.26.27 # i made that small fix, rebuilt sdl and installed and now the sim is working fine 08.30.08 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66.172.233.113) 08.30.12 # yeah, I have a 1.2.11 source on hand and that little goof is there. Sem_TryWait is ok however 08.30.23 # *SDL_SemTryWait 08.31.13 # so that change should have no effect on the problem? 08.32.21 # Actually, yes, if I used SDL_SemWaitTimeout to implement sleep and timeout blocks...one moment 08.33.06 # you did, according to thread_sdl.c 08.33.34 # I just forgot :). 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There are lots of simple adapters to access the line-out, which I wouldn't class as accessories. 08.50.58 # Btw, could it be that the OF runs the accessory power converter in eco mode for detection, and switches to normal mode when it detects an accessory? 08.51.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet02.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 08.52.24 # * jhMikeS would like a logic analyzer about now or should carefully go for the oscilloscope. 08.52.49 # linuxstb: that was one of my major questions. so, you say there _are_ accessories using line out which are not classed as such? 08.53.24 # * amiconn doesn't trust battery runtime changes of less than 5%, even if they're determined using the 90%->10% levels 08.53.34 # Buschel: i use line out on as many devices as i can...i use it to connect to a much higher quality amp then connected to my headphones 08.53.50 # it is the only way i listen, really 08.54.19 # amiconn: good point, but pin13 seems to drive against some kOhm within the iPod itself. ECO-mode would limit this to 5mA, the current now is ~1.5mA -- so below this limitation 08.55.31 # Maybe, if you're doing at least 10 runtime tests with a certain setting (preferably on 10 different devices of that target type), and then average the results. 08.55.54 # Buschel: I have a simple dock which provides line-out, USB and firewire sockets. I don't think I would class it as an accessory. 08.56.06 # I also have a "home-made" line-in/line-out cable. 08.57.56 # it is clear that the line out disabling in context of the accessory detec/setting makes no sense if there are such simple solutions availabe in the market 08.58.12 # *detect 08.58.25 # Buschel: Eco mode would at least make the converter itself consume less. If it's really some pull down resistor in the ipod itself, there must be another way to solve that (i.e. RE...) 08.58.49 Quit ackbahr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.59.23 # amiconn: that's why I now have some fiddled dock debug adapter with changeable resistor configuration :) 08.59.42 # so, gotta get my wife's car to the doctor now :) see you later 08.59.49 Nick Buschel is now known as Buschel_away (n=abc@p54A3D963.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.02.06 # * linuxstb_ does the gigabeat F rolo dance 09.02.46 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.04.44 # linuxstb_: does the reboot-after-asking-user-when-new-rockbox.gigabeat-detected feature work? 09.06.13 Quit parafin (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.06.13 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.06.13 Quit Seed (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.06.13 Quit scorche (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.06.13 Quit crope`` (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.06.19 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.06.19 NJoin Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 09.06.29 Nick onakinfkp is now known as Anakin (i=0@86.122.116.44) 09.10.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.29 NJoin scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.17.41 # n1s: Yes, I always get that prompt, it's just that rolo never worked... 09.17.59 # linuxstb_: I'll close that bug then :) 09.18.03 Quit Anakin (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 09.18.03 NJoin parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 09.18.03 NJoin crope`` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-184-125.psoas.suomi.net) 09.18.21 Join hnakibfdi [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 09.18.32 # I haven't tried it yet, but kkurbjun's commit from a few hours ago says it implements rolo... 09.22.52 # it _should_ work :) 09.23.26 # jhMikeS: Hmm, do you thing it would be useful to split the iram definitions a bit, so that they can be used both in C and asm? 09.24.49 # Right now we have something like this: #ifdef (use_it) / #define BLAH_ATTR __attribute__((section(".blah")) / #else / #define BLAH_ATTR / #endif 09.25.41 # This could be changed to #ifdef (use_it) / #define BLAH_SECTION .blah / #else / #define BLAH_SECTION .text / #endif 09.26.09 # ...and then just #define BLAH_ATTR __attribute__((section(BLAH_SECTION)) 09.26.40 # This way you can use BLAH_ATTR in C like before, and use .section BLAH_SECTION in asm 09.29.47 # just installed the latest revision on the gigabeat, and did not observe rolo behavior with respect to rebooting upon confirmation of the prompt 09.29.59 # The behaviour for C wouldn't be 100% identical to what we have now in case librockbox is built with sectioned compilation (i.e. bootloaders) though. Right now the attributte isn't there at all if iram isn't used, so each element (function, data) marked as using iram gets its own sub-section in the appropriate standard section. With this proposal, these elements would go into the respective generic section, meaning they won't be removed when linki 09.32.55 # Shouldn't be an issue though, as ifdefing is needed for the iram case anyway 09.34.30 # Monkeytamer: It can't use the fix until *after* you've booted the latest version. 09.34.43 # Or rather, until after you've booted a version new enough to have the fixe. 09.34.45 # fix 09.34.59 # meh, my exp isn't very exact... 09.35.00 # yeah... 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(Remote closed the connection) 13.42.27 # seems to be problems with a disk/filesystem on the server 13.43.15 # and of course these things only happen when the office is closed... 13.45.00 # that's what I thought too 13.45.22 # following Murphy's law I guess 13.45.33 # no doubt about that! 13.48.00 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b9bdd.ucd.ie) 13.51.14 Quit barrywardell_ (Client Quit) 13.51.33 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 13.51.48 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.33 Join das-perceptron [0] (n=fabian@e176126005.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.52.57 Quit n1s () 13.54.26 Quit B4gder ("Lämnar") 13.55.24 Join webguest16 [0] (n=0ccd744e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b4117382e0b71d5c) 13.55.40 # Hello 13.56.22 Quit webguest16 (Client Quit) 13.57.02 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 13.58.45 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 13.58.48 # Hi there. Somebody knows how to contact Jens Arnold? Many people have an issue with rockbox and the iRiver H120 remote control display. Jens already tried to fix it (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17006) and offered to slow down the clock even more if there are problems, and apparently, there are (see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8840) 13.59.47 # sure ... just look for amiconn 13.59.56 # (the IrcNicks page would have told you that ;-) 14.01.35 # Thanks - I'm not an IRC expert, but it seems that he is currently available ;-) 14.02.20 # Well his client is connected 14.02.25 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 14.02.30 # Whether he is here or not is another thing 14.07.01 # Sure - but at least I can try to contact him this way. 14.08.42 # yep 14.08.55 # 'tis the best way 14.09.25 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.11.39 Quit Buschel_away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.12.15 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.12.56 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.13.29 Join Buschel_away [0] (n=abc@p54A3D963.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.15.38 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4bf9a6413b4bfdaa) 14.17.42 Part das-perceptron 14.18.09 Join sansas [0] (n=4fb77de5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2fadd5b98c770fd5) 14.18.14 # Hello 14.18.20 # i have a question about rockbox 14.18.33 # Then I advise asking it 14.18.37 # is it risky for my sansa to install it ? 14.18.45 # Best thing for questions usually 14.18.49 # may it seriously damage it ? 14.18.49 # No 14.18.52 # no 14.19.02 # oh cool 14.19.13 # well, if you're smart enough you can seriously damage the player. 14.19.20 # The only thing that can damage your Sansa is a sledgehammer. :) 14.19.27 # but if you follow the instructions it's like 120% safe 14.19.27 # rockbox has a install/uninstall utility 14.19.27 # Sansa's are next to impossible to permamently damage if you follow the instructions 14.19.30 # ? 14.19.38 # sansas: read the website? 14.19.44 # most of it 14.19.48 # or even the manual? It's mentioned there. 14.19.52 # It is possible to use a manufactuing mode to cock up the firmware 14.20.03 # ok 14.20.05 # But you have to be trying really quite hard 14.20.12 # what about battery life 14.20.14 # ? 14.20.18 # Follow the instructions and there are no problems at all 14.20.20 # the battery lives. Yes. 14.20.24 # lol 14.20.31 # I get more battery from Rockbox on the e260 than the OF 14.20.42 # i.e. it lasts longer 14.20.43 # be careful, it might pick on you if you don't respect the battery! 14.20.51 # i mean in normal use video/mp3 is it last the same ? 14.21.01 # Roughly the same. 14.21.05 # I refer you to my answer three lines above 14.21.15 # ok.. thats cool 14.21.37 # * bluebrother points to the FAQ 14.21.40 # so if thats so good. and battery life are fine. why does sandisk doesn't install it herself ? 14.21.42 Join ido_sh [0] (n=ido_sh@bzq-79-181-235-82.red.bezeqint.net) 14.22.15 # * gevaerts suggests to ask sandisk 14.22.29 # * BigBambi doesn't know how to anszer that 14.22.30 # * sansas is doing it right now 14.22.34 # *answer 14.22.35 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders... that cute Japanese chick who promotes Sansas? 14.22.44 # lol 14.23.02 # and is there any guitar tuning app for it ? 14.23.09 # There is a patch 14.23.12 # Look in Flyspray. 14.23.22 # where ? 14.23.22 # But I'm not sure it works on the Sansa's yet 14.23.28 # You'll have to roll your own build for it. 14.23.37 # The patch link from the left side of www.rockbox.org 14.23.40 # BigBambi: maybe rather call it "diff"? ;-) 14.24.04 # sansas: patch == source diff. I.e. you need to compile if you want to use it. 14.24.07 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245021.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 14.24.09 # bluebrother: Yes, probably clearer for people used to windows patches 14.25.04 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.25.06 # sansas: who about simply trying it? Then you can judge yourself. You already got told that it's not dangerous 14.25.27 # i didn't got my e200 yet 14.25.31 # ... working on it 14.25.39 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.25.43 # btw, sandisk tech support are great .. 14.25.57 # sansas: You don't have your Sansa yet? 14.26.01 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.26.02 # sansas: Be aware if it is new it i slikely to be a v2, which Rockbox does not work on 14.26.04 # Wait wait... did you just order it? 14.26.42 # my m200 stuck and they offer to replace it to a new m200.. i guess i could some cash and get an e200 14.26.56 # A new e200 is very unlikely to work 14.27.07 # and no m200s work at the moment 14.27.16 # ok 14.27.26 # is it possible to get v1 from sandsik ? 14.27.32 # Not likely. 14.27.36 # You may have better luck on eBay. 14.27.39 # sansas: Don't know 14.27.46 # dam 14.27.47 # There are some refurbs still around, or ebay 14.27.59 # why does v2 isn't working ? 14.28.08 # Completely new hardware 14.28.09 # New hardware inside. 14.28.22 # Meaning new port needs to be written. 14.28.24 # so i guess ur working on it ? 14.28.29 # Not really 14.28.34 # Interested owners do ports 14.28.44 # what do u mean ? 14.28.53 # please use real words 14.29.01 # There is no Rockbox team that does ports 14.29.02 Quit perplexity ("Lying alone in my room every night, it's you that I see when I turn out the light...") 14.29.03 # what do you mean ? 14.29.13 # Owners of a device that would like Rockbox do the work 14.29.24 # ports is checking which button is doing what ? 14.29.33 # No. 14.29.41 # It is working out the hardware, writing drivers for it etc 14.29.44 # that's a tiny part of it :P 14.29.52 # Rockbox is a complete firmware replacement 14.30.03 # It is the operating system, it runs the hardware 14.30.04 # oh .. and there is no crew doing that ? 14.30.14 # no 14.30.16 # It isn't a program that installs on top of the OS 14.30.24 # It's an OS in itself, if you will. 14.30.26 # sansas: As I say, interested owners do it 14.30.36 # porting is hard work... only interested people do it. 14.30.53 # BigBambi: The m200 (v1) is progressing. It crashes shortly after displaying the Rockbox logo... 14.31.08 # im not in the level of writing my own drivers 14.31.09 # linuxstb_: cool (you know what I mean) 14.31.20 # sansas: For example... I'm working to start a port for the Dell DJ, but it's hard work. 14.31.32 # I'm not the best programmer out there, but I'm learning. 14.31.47 # * LambdaCalculus37 still needs another Dell DJ to run code on 14.31.52 # rockbox for the m200 14.31.57 # BigBambi: For some reason, Rockbox expects the ata driver to work... (it's not implemented yet) 14.31.59 # isn't that a waste of time ? 14.32.07 # sansas: why? 14.32.13 # It's not a waste. 14.32.17 # linuxstb_: That just sounds unreasonable 14.32.19 # LambdaCalculus37: Thanks ;) 14.32.38 # i don't know... it can't play video and such 14.32.44 # its just playing songs.. 14.32.46 # It can with Rockbox 14.32.47 # So what? 14.32.59 # sansas: Rockbox is a *complete* replacement 14.33.00 # why shouldn't it play videos? Even the old archos can. 14.33.06 # m200 is monochromatic color 14.33.12 # The abilities of the OF is irrelevent 14.33.16 # so what? The archos ones are too 14.33.17 # sanas: Your point being? 14.33.19 # sansas: We have a grayscal library 14.33.26 # We can make it work. 14.33.26 # my m:robe 100 can play videos. It's b/w only. 14.33.34 # or rather black and red ;-) 14.33.39 # sansas: You may be surprised to know that most people buy audio players to listen to audio... 14.33.42 # sansas: I suggest reading up about Rockbox a bit 14.33.56 # * bluebrother points to the WhyRockbox wiki page 14.33.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 14.33.56 # sansas: But even without video, Rockbox is all about audio 14.33.59 # i guess your right guys 14.34.22 # The audio capabilities of Rockbox are *much* superior to any OF out there 14.34.26 # rockbox site was down earlier.. server problems ? 14.34.32 # Sort of 14.34.35 # It is up again 14.34.41 # yeah i saw it 14.34.50 # * LambdaCalculus37 cheers for Vorbis playback on his DAPs 14.35.15 # so.. v2 isn't gonna work soon 14.35.27 # Who knows? 14.35.32 # :( damn i wanted to play pokemon again :( 14.35.34 # well, maybe some day. 14.35.36 # It is impossible to estimate 14.35.43 # sansas: Buy a Game Boy. 14.35.51 # too dam big 14.35.58 # no money :O 14.36.34 # * LambdaCalculus37 dares to suggest maybe a part-time job? 14.36.42 Quit CaptainSquid (Remote closed the connection) 14.36.51 # But I digress. 14.36.56 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.37.12 # job ? thats for loosers :P 14.37.30 # im a student.. no spare time 14.37.42 # * BigBambi steers us back on topic 14.37.56 # sansas: well, then you also won't have time playing pokemon. Problem solved. 14.38.10 # cheers! 14.38.27 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 14.38.39 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 14.38.57 # how can i know if a version is v2 or v1 ? 14.39.09 # The original firmware version is the best way 14.39.27 # 1.xxx is v1, 3.xxx is v2 14.39.28 # you mean it says ? 14.39.39 # very reasonable .. 14.39.54 # 3.xxx is v2... thats very smart 14.40.38 # ok.. nvm.. ill keed studying ... good luck guys ur doing great work on the rockbox 14.41.01 # make a version for v2 for me 14.41.02 # bye bye 14.41.16 # Well, now you've asked... 14.41.31 # Yeah, we'll get right on that /sarcasm 14.41.40 # :P 14.41.46 # -_-' i tried.. 14.41.57 # you can't blame me for that 14.42.08 Quit gromit` (Connection timed out) 14.42.30 Quit sansas ("CGI:IRC") 14.43.49 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 14.50.11 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 14.53.57 Quit KrPD (Connection timed out) 14.55.19 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-24-62.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.55.43 Join Synergy6 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 14.56.50 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 14.57.25 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 15.01.35 Part Llorean 15.01.48 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 15.01.54 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.20.29 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0pre/2008050118]") 15.34.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.42.09 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 15.53.02 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 15.58.38 Part pixelma 16.03.40 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279532188.dsl.bell.ca) 16.05.20 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.05.30 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-060-173-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.07.55 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 16.16.05 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=abc@p54A3D963.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.16.05 Quit Buschel_away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.17.12 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-24-62.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.17.51 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.24.56 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 16.33.37 Join chammiya [0] (n=chamms@ip-208-109-254-83.ip.secureserver.net) 16.33.56 Quit chammiya (Client Quit) 16.38.25 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.38.40 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-24-62.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.40.34 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 16.40.51 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 16.52.57 Join hopenglish [0] (n=4b204236@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-645d3f2b77186a15) 16.54.41 Quit hopenglish (Client Quit) 16.54.57 Join hopenglish [0] (n=4b204236@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-70bdebc83feae543) 16.55.59 # iPod Video 30gig ~ I'm looking to place video files on the device and restrict users from removing the files... Any ideas? 16.56.18 # 5.5 Gen iPod Vid. 16.57.03 # "removing" in what way ? 16.57.25 # As in connecting the device to a computer and downloading the file onto the computer... 16.57.41 # How advanced are your users ? 16.58.43 # They're medical professionals... Not exactly IT-class... 16.58.55 # * gevaerts tries something 16.59.35 # I've considered hiding the files... 16.59.49 # That would help to some extent 17.00.12 # hopenglish: Are you talking about ipods running Rockbox, or ipods running the Apple firmware? 17.00.29 # with the files hidden) 17.00.40 # scratch my last comment. 17.01.08 # The files will be on the RockBox side. 17.03.06 # The users will have no reason to access the system folders so I will probably hide them as well. 17.04.37 # The .rockbox folder is already hidden by default. 17.04.55 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.05.41 # Ah... That's right. 17.06.46 # * linuxstb resists the urge to say that it doesn't take a brain surgeon to find hidden files - especially if they're browsing them in Rockbox's file browser. 17.06.50 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.07.39 # linuxstb: Except for the file view being set to "All", IIRC Rockbox doesn't show hidden files and folders in its file view. 17.07.40 # Ironic. Nice... What file browser are you talking about though? On the device itself? 17.07.45 # linuxstb: if it would take a brain surgeaon this would be useless :) 17.08.40 # hopenglish: Yes, if you're talking about files "on the rockbox side", then the user uses the file browser to play them. 17.09.31 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-24-62.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.10.18 Join PortableDude [0] (n=upirc@72.10.125.130) 17.10.21 # If the user has the time and savvy to go to Settings-General View-File View-Show Files-All ... I may be in trouble. 17.10.28 # hehe. 17.10.42 # create a hidden partition, enable multivolume support, hack the file browser to not show it and hack mpegplayer to dispaly a list and start as autorock? 17.11.06 # or simply glue the usb port :) 17.11.46 # but then you can't charge :P 17.11.54 # I actually haven't been told how the users will get the video file... Podcast possibly? 17.12.40 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 17.12.42 # So how do you disable/hack the file browser to not show the hidden partition? 17.12.48 # n1s. 17.13.13 # hopenglish: one thing you could do is set the partition type to "empty" (type 0). Nothing will change on the rockbox side, but windows won't be able to read the disk any more 17.14.19 # gevaerts: for this to work, the file would have to be on the device, prior to my setting the partition to empty, correct? 17.15.03 # hopenglish: depends. From linux you can still access it the normal way 17.15.50 # hopenglish: I don't know off hand but shouldn't be too hard 17.16.14 # Of course they may decide that the ipod is broken somehow and run itunes restore on it. I don't know what will happen then 17.18.30 # They would have a fully-functional iPod Video for their own personal use, I believe. 17.18.48 # Sans RockBox and sans the video file I want them to view. 17.19.13 # face it, your videos are gonna end up on youtube... 17.19.25 # beat them to the punch and post them first 17.19.30 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 17.19.41 # Of course (/me hopes to not be kicked for this) you could go the ipodlinux way and put the videos on an ext2 partition... 17.20.14 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.20.19 # that'd work 17.20.25 # Would I still be able to use RockBox? 17.20.26 # assuming ipodlinux works 17.21.02 # * gevaerts thinks that all this is somewhat off-topic and should go to #rockbox-community 17.22.03 # How does one access that channel using the Web Client? 17.22.16 Quit PortableDude ("Leaving") 17.22.18 # /join #rockbox-community 17.23.05 # Thanks... 17.23.38 # n1s: I looked into the documentation provided on RockBox.org and cannot seem to find information on AutoRock. 17.25.25 # hopenglish: see apps/main.c:572 if it is defined a plugin named /.rockbox/rocks/apps/autorock.rock will be started automatically on startup 17.25.56 # you can of course use it for any plugin, but mpegplayer is a viewer so it would need some minor modifications too 17.30.21 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 17.31.22 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-24-62.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.32.22 Quit Mathiasdm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.32.28 Join Mathias [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 17.34.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.38.21 # n1s: apps/main.c:572? Please explain. 17.39.44 # on line 572 you see "#ifdef AUTOROCK" and inside that block is everything that happens when AUTOROCK is defined 17.42.49 # n1s: I'm still not clear where I can find this on line 572 and "#ifdef AUTOROCK". 17.43.15 # hopenglish: if you grab the sources you'll find the mentioned path 17.43.55 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.46.43 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.47.09 # I think what you all are directing me toward is the source ?code? that would display where AUTOROCK is in effect, I'm asking "What is AutoRock?". If AUTOROCK is defined for a certain file, will that file automatically begin once the device is powered up? 17.47.13 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-220-26.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 17.48.18 # it's easier to read those 3 lines of code that trying to explain what it does. 17.48.22 # it's a plugin that will automatically be started once Rockbox starts. 17.49.26 Join druidbartek [0] (n=Miranda@afr14.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 17.50.36 Quit druidbartek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.53.02 # Ok, then help me find the source code, please... This is all unfamiliar territory for me. 17.54.02 # the easiest way is to use svn -- see the UsingSVN wiki page. Or grab the archive from the download page. 17.58.42 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.59.00 # Thanks... I'll look into this... After lunch. 18.05.32 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.34 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 18.19.58 Join ^Parrot^ [0] (n=parrot@adsl-11-254-179.mia.bellsouth.net) 18.21.41 Join Drbongmd1 [0] (n=darrowis@cpe-74-75-24-19.maine.res.rr.com) 18.21.53 # <^Parrot^> I must be doing smething wrong here... every day I add a few songs to my ipod but they don't show up. how does rockbox need to be set up so that every time it starts, it check sto see if I have added new songs? I don't use playlists. I just randomly play songs, using the "next" button if I need to. 18.22.28 # <^Parrot^> kind of like in a simple quickstart way 18.22.33 Part Drbongmd1 18.23.01 Join styleism [0] (n=styleism@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 18.23.21 # ^Parrot^: are you using the database or have you just shuffled all your songs from the menu/file browser? 18.24.16 # <^Parrot^> I have tried to understand using the db. I use mediamonkey to move the songs over then I expect to be able to disconnect my ipod, boot it up and press play 18.24.37 # <^Parrot^> I told it to autoupdate the db 18.25.06 # <^Parrot^> but songs I guess don't automatically get added to the master playlist when they are added to the device 18.25.17 # exactly 18.26.03 # <^Parrot^> so... how do update the master playlist? isn't THAT automatic? (I am not even sure what the DB is used for) 18.26.11 # no. 18.26.31 # you need to recreate the playlist. 18.26.32 # <^Parrot^> odd that you have to tell rb that you added new songs... 18.26.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.26.42 # <^Parrot^> I must be doing that wrong 18.26.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@layl001.digis.net) 18.26.51 # ^Parrot^: you have to insert the tracks in the playlist somehow 18.26.55 # no, you don't need to tell it that you have new songs. It's just that Rockbox is playlist based. 18.27.05 # and a playlist doesn't simply "just" change. 18.27.11 # <^Parrot^> what are the steps for doing recreating the playlist? 18.27.22 # it would be rather illogical if the playlist would do things on its own. 18.27.30 # see the manual. 18.27.57 # RTFM ftw. 18.27.57 # <^Parrot^> If there was a master playlist, then autoadd would make sense. I could just playfrom the master playlist. 18.28.10 # ^Parrot^: you mean you want a global shuffle? 18.28.16 # <^Parrot^> Yes 18.28.22 # <^Parrot^> good way to describe it 18.28.25 # Okay. 18.28.40 # Doesn't the database have that option? 18.28.56 # I dunno, I like choosing what I listen to, and it's whole albums :P 18.29.04 # * linuxstb too 18.29.13 # <^Parrot^> don't know... the verbage is confusing at times 18.29.21 # <^Parrot^> << not a linux type of thinker 18.29.31 # On the official firmware there is a function, i'm sure it's possible. 18.29.48 # <^Parrot^> that's all I am using 18.29.51 # ^Parrot^: Rockbox has two ways to play your music - a file browser where you select files/folders to play, or a database browser which is similar to how Apple's firmware works. 18.29.52 # <^Parrot^> no hacked firmware 18.30.33 # <^Parrot^> linux: exept apple's fw lets you select shuffle/random and when you press play it plays everyting 18.30.33 # I'll have a look on my ipod once it's finished updating 18.30.36 # (it creates a database of all the music on your player, based on artist/album/track name/genre/year etc) 18.31.06 # ^Parrot^: hold the menu button and you get shuffle / random settings... 18.31.10 # <^Parrot^> but it doesn't create a playlist since it doesn't require one to play songs.. 18.31.24 # <^Parrot^> wait 1: booting ipod RB 18.31.28 # ^Parrot^: Have you setup the database as described in the Rockbox manual? Especially the auto-updating feature? 18.31.31 # <^Parrot^> main menu 18.31.32 # ^Parrot^: we don't care much about how the Apple firmware works ... 18.31.41 # * faemir high-fives bluebrother. 18.31.43 # <^Parrot^> Linux: I think I did 18.31.59 # But still, I can see why you would want a global shuffle playlist if that's the kind of listener you are. 18.32.09 # Then (if I'm remembering correctly), you should be able to browse to a list of all your tracks, and select the "" option at the top. 18.32.41 # I'll check now... 18.32.53 # <^Parrot^> linux: from the beginning. I have the main menu. go to settings? 18.32.58 # I'm glad that rockbox boots much faster than the original firmware. 18.33.13 # ^Parrot^: I don't know the details, as I don't use the database. But the manual describes the process. 18.33.19 # dude it's easy to do 18.33.32 # here is step by step: database > artist > all tracks 18.33.32 # <^Parrot^> loading up the manual again... 18.33.45 # then just have shuffle and or random enabled... 18.34.07 # <^Parrot^> it then says context menu: playlist 18.34.13 # or easier: database > artist (hold select) and choose insert shuffled 18.34.41 # <^Parrot^> ok 18.34.47 # <^Parrot^> counting down as to files found 18.35.21 # Slasheri: but that way needs to build it 18.35.50 # seriously, database > artist > all tracks all as clicks, not holding down. 18.36.02 # <^Parrot^> seems to have workede 18.36.10 # <^Parrot^> all 2300+ songs showing up 18.36.12 # <^Parrot^> thanks 18.36.21 # what size ipod out of interest? 18.36.26 # <^Parrot^> 30gb 18.36.31 # ah, same 18.36.32 # colour? 18.36.37 # <^Parrot^> black 18.36.52 # <^Parrot^> HD died and apple replaced it for $30 18.37.10 # <^Parrot^> where do you all keep your bmps for album covers? 18.37.33 # * gevaerts keeps them in /dev/null 18.37.40 # <^Parrot^> lol 18.38.02 # haha 18.38.13 # mine are all in the individual folders 18.38.17 # called cover.xxx 18.38.30 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 18.38.32 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 18.39.26 # <^Parrot^> I was reading the instructions and thought they should be in the album folders named .bmp I was going to size them all as 176x176 18.39.59 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 18.40.27 # why that size? 18.40.40 # and why ? :P 18.40.47 # seems so much simpler as cover 18.41.52 # <^Parrot^> so I know what the album name actually is if the files get misplaced 18.42.04 # <^Parrot^> 176 is the largest size any theme uses 18.42.08 # <^Parrot^> IIRC 18.42.37 # You can normally tell what it is by looking at the cover =/ 18.43.05 # <^Parrot^> when yoiu get to be my age, you need it big :) and my youngsheimers doesn't help 18.43.09 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.43.12 Quit Mathias ("Yuuw!") 18.45.48 # <^Parrot^> well... back later with more questions.. 18.45.50 # <^Parrot^> thanks 18.45.54 Quit ^Parrot^ () 19.14.18 Quit Hillshum (Remote closed the connection) 19.17.23 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 19.19.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7A82.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.22.20 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496672D.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.34.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.41.45 Quit midgey () 19.43.19 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.07.54 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.09.55 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.11.38 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.12.26 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.12.34 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.25.41 Quit styleism (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.25.50 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3fa17@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ecf8d133796589c) 20.27.31 # n1s: hello. Care to have a look at FS#8953? 20.30.47 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.30.57 Join styleism [0] (n=styleism@87-194-104-214.bethere.co.uk) 20.36.44 # Can someone tell me if there is a way to download album art for all my albums, and have them in the correct folder? 20.38.02 # faemir: use a tool? 20.38.29 # I use the copycover script for amarok to spread the files. I just don't sync the images to my player ;-) 20.39.29 # bluebrother: link to the script? 20.39.44 Quit Tuplanolla (Remote closed the connection) 20.39.46 # I presume that takes the album art that it has presumably cached somewhere to where the music is located. 20.40.04 # I installed it through the extensions menu of amarok. No idea about the original location 20.40.23 # yes. amarok stores the album art in a database in its settings folder. 20.41.43 # bluebrother: care to send me that script somehow? i can't find it in get new stuff thing. 20.42.40 Part tkooda ("thanks") 20.45.31 # scrap that, got it 20.47.13 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.51.38 # BTW: has anybody seen the internals of the new iriver e100? 20.52.20 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.59.02 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.09 Quit bertrik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.00.44 # fml: Seems DAP manufacturers are running out of names - Sansa have an e100 as well. Plus both iaudio and meizu have an M3... 21.01.20 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@m052h.studby.ntnu.no) 21.05.35 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 21.06.47 # linuxstb: he-he. They all try to make profit of each other's success :-) 21.07.41 Quit styleism (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.54 # But let me guess, the e100 is a flash-based audio/video player? 21.08.03 # But the opinions about e100 are not so good. Which only confirms the trend: DAPs get worse as time passes. 21.08.40 # linuxstb: I think yes. Are HD players still made at all? 21.09.00 # Not many, apart from the ipod Classic. 21.11.40 # Or the Archos PMPs. 21.11.58 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.12.20 # When adding a new patch, there is the category 'applications.' But it's not a plugin form the 'application' category, right? 21.12.44 # * linuxstb commits his tcc77x work, including m200 (v1) support 21.13.01 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.13.06 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.16.13 # The CREDITS file contains the name 'Matthew P. OReilly' Is that the right spelling? 21.18.33 Nick blo0dy is now known as chainsaw (i=chainsaw@i.will.tell.u.some.hotstories.de) 21.19.14 # linuxstb: Nice! 21.19.15 # it should probably be O'Reilly 21.19.20 # * LambdaCalculus37 hands linuxstb a beer 21.19.35 # LambdaCalculus37: Thanks, but don't distract me... 21.20.48 Quit hopenglish ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.21.30 # fml: I would be fine if all mp3 players were flash - that is if they at the very least 30gb, preferably more :P 21.21.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to update the SansaM200Port page in the wiki to reflect the progress being made 21.23.20 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=stephen@67.64.145.45) 21.23.29 # * amiconn will soon have a flash based rockbox target with 32GB :) 21.25.07 # barrywardell: that's what I thought 21.26.07 # amiconn: hehe, reversing your phrase: we now have a rockbox based flash(light) :-) 21.26.42 # wow, nimbus19 lacks quite a few accented glyphs! 21.27.23 Nick chainsaw is now known as blo0dy (i=chainsaw@i.will.tell.u.some.hotstories.de) 21.29.00 # blo0dy: you've used a chainsaw and now you'r bloody? 21.29.57 # yeah something like that =) 21.30.14 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 21.30.24 # its the german chainsaw massacre 21.30.26 # :) 21.31.02 # * LambdaCalculus37 reminds blo0dy to keep it on-topic, and points to the topic 21.31.34 # btw is anyone online that is working on the sansa v2 port ? 21.31.42 # i wanna help but i hate3 posting on forums 21.32.16 # No one is working on any Sansa v2 ports. 21.32.28 # e200v2 21.32.32 # yes they are 21.32.40 # who? 21.32.45 # Yes, who? 21.32.48 # its in the new port forum 21.32.49 # and 21.32.52 # on the tracker 21.32.58 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.33.02 # or port wish 21.33.41 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 21.33.44 # I was under the impression that the stumbling point was that a recovery mode was not found yet 21.34.07 # hmm ill find if i have to drive down to austria and bang on their dooor 21.34.16 # it has to have one 21.34.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.34.48 # Don't forget your pen and bagfuls of money when you go to Austria. :) 21.34.50 # although i must say im a oraidiot 21.34.52 Join boten_anna [0] (n=54bd417d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a64819c383fb67e0) 21.34.57 # sry 21.34.58 # wrong chat 21.35.27 # its only 100km away 21.35.31 # if that 21.36.30 # banging on someones door is unlikely to get technical documentation 21.36.36 # true 21.36.40 # robbing would be different ;) 21.36.43 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.37.09 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4F0A5.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.37.20 # I just compiled with -Wmissing-prototypes and get quite a lot of warnings. I wonder if they might be things that can either be stubbed (#if 0-ed) or made static. 21.37.33 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3fa17@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cde29b420b541590) 21.38.04 # I dunno i downloaded a bunch of misinformation on the arm chip 21.38.05 # (or made more strict/safe by #including the proper header file) 21.38.15 # gonna upload it to my site see if it helps 21.38.44 # blo0dy, desowin: now I understand the purpose of the chainsaw... (/me goes in the corner) 21.39.34 # bertrik: Functions residing in IRAM must not be static on arm, even if they're only referenced in the same source file, due to a gcc bug 21.39.45 # conspiracy theories are better to be held in #rockbox-community 21.40.18 # lol =) 21.40.51 # That's what this weird-looking STATICIRAM macro is for - it resolves to 'static ICODE_ATTR' for coldfire, but to just 'ICOD_ATTR' for arm (and to just 'static' if IRAM isn't used) 21.41.35 # amiconn: ah ok, that explains a lot, but I'll have a look at those warnings nevertheless 21.42.21 # The problem is that gcc refuses to make a long call to a static function, even if that static function has a section attribute. Linking then breaks... 21.42.52 # This actually applies to only a very few functions in rockbox (less than 10 iirc) 21.43.21 # Doesn't that give problems if you have a non-static IRAM function that calls a static non-IRAM function ? 21.43.45 # That doesn't happen 21.43.54 # I never tried that combination 21.45.30 # Probably that non-IRAM function must also be non-static in such a case. 21.46.11 # I guess that most IRAM functions are leaf-functions, i.e. they don't call much other functions 21.46.15 # It's only of theoretical value anyway. Functions are put into IRAM if they need to be executed as fast as possible, and such functions just don't call slow functions 21.47.05 # They sometimes do call other iram functions though, and the bad thing is that gcc unnecessarily makes these calls long call 21.47.24 # The whole long-call/short-call handling in gcc is rather broken if you ask me... 21.48.05 # hmm, I never really bothered with that, how long is a short call anyway? 21.48.56 # 26 bit signed, i.e. +/-32MB 21.49.04 # (on arm, where all this is about) 21.49.33 # The rule is (according to the gcc manual) that a function will be long-call if it has an explicit section attribute (and it needs to be non-static as I found. That's probably a bug) 21.50.36 # * gevaerts agrees with amiconn that this rule is not optimal 21.50.45 # The correct way would require to declare (groups of) sections, where calls within that section/group can be short calls, and calls to other sections/groups need to be long calls 21.50.54 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.51.08 # I think an important thing is that even though there may be a bug, a problem should never be silently ignored 21.52.12 # Not all targets require calls between .text and .icode to be long calls. E.g. on the iFP 7xx, iram can be mapped close enough to dram so that all calls can be short (hence .text and .icode would form a single group) 21.52.42 Quit BuddyLe1 ("LOI") 21.54.43 # blo0dy: i have a sansa v2 and watch the progress 21.54.49 # bertrik, gevaerts: There's even one more bug: A static function won't be handled as long call even if it has an explicit __attributte__((long_call)) ... 21.55.00 # argh 21.55.02 # *attribute 21.55.43 # Doesn't sound good... 21.56.14 # honestly I'm a bit surprised that gcc has issues like that 21.56.32 # Hillshum, I wanna help 21.56.37 # I should say arm-elf-gcc probably 21.57.21 # Hillshum, Ill post what I got on the forums in a bit 21.57.23 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 21.57.25 # aint much though 21.57.40 # just bought the thing yesterday and Im dying to hack it , th eui sucks 21.57.50 # blo0dy:we think recovery mode is plain ole MSC, but can't check cuz no one can load bad firmware 21.58.08 Join Domonoky [0] (n=domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21.58.11 # blo0dy : because we don't know the checksum 21.58.30 # we can indeed load a modified firmware 21.58.32 # Hillshum, ok well their has to be a way of figuring this out 21.58.36 # and it has even been done 21.58.49 # nevermind than 21.59.03 # we just don't have a tool that can do it all properly 21.59.10 Quit wpyh (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.59.10 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.59.10 Quit homielowe (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.59.10 Quit amiconn (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.59.10 Quit feisar_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.59.15 # and is MSC recovery mode? 21.59.24 # we know of no recovery mode for v2 sansas 21.59.51 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.59.51 NJoin wpyh [0] (n=william@th245021.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 21.59.51 NJoin homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 21.59.51 NJoin amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.59.51 NJoin feisar_ [0] (i=jljhook@89.166.50.63) 21.59.56 # bagder: does your v2 page cover that? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html 22.00.07 # yes 22.00.07 # cant a email to austria microsystems get this info ? i mean its only recovery mode 22.00.16 # ? 22.00.18 # Bagder: cool, didn't know it was as far as that. What happened to the sansa that got loaded with the modified firmware? 22.00.24 # the SoC has no recovery mode itself 22.00.36 # it would need to be made by the boot loader like the for the sansa v1s 22.00.48 # was saratoga saying it did? 22.00.54 Join Synergy66 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 22.01.04 # bertrik: it worked, someone just switched a few letters in a string 22.01.06 Quit Synergy66 (Client Quit) 22.01.17 # hey i might have some info on the bootloader 22.01.45 # have look I *found * like 20 mb in pdf from austria microsystems on the net 22.01.50 # and the 35x chip 22.01.56 # bertrik: since the checksum is a stupid ADD, it's quite simple to just switch letters and end up with the same checksum 22.02.20 # the checksum for the first chunk that is 22.02.49 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 22.03.00 # ok, must be scary to try stuff like that ... :X 22.03.23 # nah, the firmware is refused if the checksum is bad 22.03.26 # Badger that sounds kind of cheap though 22.03.34 # and just making up a weird string is harmless 22.03.44 # cheap? 22.03.51 # what is? 22.04.34 # blo0dy: actually I think it's quite clever to try something like that 22.04.45 # just switch letters and end up with the same checksum 22.04.55 # clever yes , but still cheap 22.05.14 # well, it also proves the checksum algorithm I'd say 22.05.30 # good point 22.05.35 Quit HellDragon (No route to host) 22.05.51 Join hd [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 22.06.11 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 22.07.16 # I just wanna hack this thing 22.07.31 # I hate it stuff like this 22.07.39 # hardware change blah , no infos 22.08.08 # consider it a challenge, a very complicated puzzle :) 22.08.20 # yeah , in the end though well break it 22.08.29 # if we all work together i think 22.08.32 Join davina^ [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.08.55 # the thrill of breaking new ground, pioneering where no hacker has gone before :P 22.09.47 # we are working together and have been doing so for quite a while... 22.09.55 # yeah im new 22.10.01 # just started yesterday 22.10.07 # I need to post on the forum 22.10.15 # and will contribute what I can 22.10.21 # Bleh, why is the newer generation of dacs used in daps most often worse than the older ones :\ 22.10.59 # AS3525: 32 gain steps of 1.5dB 22.11.38 # That's 48dB range in total - too small a range for me (lowest setting would be too loud in a quiet environment) 22.12.34 # For comparison: MAS3587F has 128 steps at 1dB (that's actually more than you'll ever need though)... 22.12.52 # AS3514 has 32 steps in the DAC too (only 22 used IIRC)... but it is combined with the steps in the headphone amp 22.13.21 # (but I guess you already knew that) 22.13.26 # no 22.13.43 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180064089.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.13.50 # Okay, then AS3525 is the same. Still a bit weird imo... 22.14.52 # amiconn: the only solution there is to get headphones with a volume slider on it :P 22.15.16 # haha 22.15.31 # Those volume sliders negatively affect the sound 22.15.41 # You can even control the slider with a stepper motor to keep it all digital :) 22.16.05 # amiconn: oh I never said it was a good solution :P 22.16.18 # has to be a pretty quiet stepper motor and not too heavy 22.16.52 # Well, since the sound is negatively affected anyway, the stepper motor noise won't harm much 22.16.55 Quit Synergy6 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.04 # If anyone wants to sell me an ipod 5.5 gen 80gb feel free to :D 22.19.48 # can i sell it to you at 50% markup? 22.19.59 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.21.25 # cpbills: ... how much? :P 22.21.45 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.22.28 Quit boten_anna ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.24.23 # ebay only has one on it atm 22.24.27 # :( 22.24.42 # apple refurb only has the 30gb - which I already have and don't want XD 22.30.01 # is 5.5 gen 'old' ? 22.30.31 # i don't like apple ever since i spent $525 on a 3rd gen 40gb... as it was shipping, 4g came out 22.31.14 # be happy 22.31.22 # cant yoou install podzilla on that ? 22.31.30 # Please stay on topic chaps 22.31.35 # sry 22.31.47 # blo0dy: yeah, but the battery is dead... runs rockbox though. 22.32.03 # cool 22.33.08 # real quick though off topic a work colleuge got a ipod tocuh today what a hunk of junk , started up out of the box and needed to install itunes , you couldnt even do anything 22.33.27 # steve sux 22.33.27 # yeah... 22.33.29 # ;) 22.34.00 # i think they want us to bash apple in #rockbox-community 22.34.13 # apüel does suck 22.34.17 # appel 22.34.32 # encrypted firmware ? halo ? 22.34.39 # wtf 22.34.39 # Seriously now 22.34.42 # sry 22.34.43 # ok 22.34.44 # if steve dies apple crashes 22.34.50 # This channel is for Rockbox *only* 22.35.00 # BigBambi, we just wanted to bash 22.35.06 # Well do it elsewhere 22.35.10 # k 22.35.18 # * gevaerts doesn't see 'random bashing' in the topic 22.35.32 # This is a logged development and support channel, and it is highly annoying to read the logs and find them full of rubbish 22.35.54 # sry didnt know 22.36.25 # The guidelines you are supposed to have read says this... 22.36.39 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.57 # sry I am veery bad at reading guidelines 22.37.15 # Anyone have any ideas how a button could be connected on the m200? I can't detect the MENU/POWER button - afaics, it's not GPIO or via the ADC... 22.37.22 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1fada9532a6dd1a7) 22.37.26 # linuxstb, yes 22.37.40 # dude let me upload all my stuff to my page 22.37.46 # give me 20 mins 22.37.53 # ill post in forum 22.38.06 # linuxstb: maybe it's hooked up to an ADC input, just a wild guess 22.38.14 Mode "#rockbox +o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.38.27 # blo0dy: Please, take the channel guidelines seriously. You need to read them. 22.38.39 # link ? 22.38.44 # The topic 22.38.45 # They're in the channel topic. 22.39.06 # bertrik: All buttons apart from the MENU/POWER button are on ADC... 22.39.07 # perhaps with different resistance for each button 22.39.09 # i have iirsci 22.39.20 # It's just the one remaining button I can't locate. 22.39.40 # blo0dy: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines Please read them before doing anything else 22.40.29 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.40.49 # blo0dy: site? 22.41.06 # linuxstb: sorry, I failed to notice you already mentioned ADC 22.41.16 Mode "#rockbox -o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.43.09 Quit Domonoky ("Leaving.") 22.43.49 Quit Makuseru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.44.54 # It's probably not a coincidence that rockbox usb on the H10 (PP5020) works with my hub, while on mini G2 (PP5022) and c240 (PP5022) it doesn't work 22.45.49 Join Ararwyn [0] (n=432a053a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a4d7f30e5fbbe772) 22.46.02 Quit roolku () 22.47.06 # Unfortunately I have no second PP5020 target to verify this 22.47.30 # What other targets are PP5020? 22.47.36 # I have done some quick tests with TXFILLTUNING and BURSTSIZE last week, without much result 22.47.59 # iPod G4, color, Mini G1, m:robe 100 22.48.17 # One thing I noticed is that reading those back gives 0, even after I've written other values 22.51.04 # linuxstb: the power button is the slide switch below the screen? maybe you can trace where the signal goes on the PCB 22.51.15 Quit Ararwyn ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.51.22 Join Ararwyn [0] (n=432a053a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a09355134bdab488) 22.51.35 # amiconn: at devcon we will probably have some of those, so if you also bring your hub, we can do a more complete test 22.52.21 # 8 weeks to go 22.52.22 # bertrik: No, that's the hold switch. But yes, if firmware disassembly doesn't help, I'll try that... 22.53.10 # * gevaerts would like to get the problems solved before devcon, but has no idea where to look. 22.55.27 # Has anyone publicly gathered any data for the ipod classics? 22.55.33 Quit davina^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.56.34 # Ararwyn: not a lot I think, no 22.56.49 # Has anyone publicly gathered any data for the ipod classics? 22.57.02 # /echo off 22.57.07 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.170.235) 22.57.31 # Ararwyn: I think all we know is in the thread in the New Ports forum 22.59.12 # Sorry about that double post, some sort of a lag on my end :/ 22.59.43 Quit Ararwyn ("CGI:IRC") 23.01.06 Join Ararwyn [0] (n=Ararwyn@67-42-5-58.ptld.qwest.net) 23.01.52 Part Ararwyn 23.01.59 Join Agent_ [0] (n=chatzill@217.157.46.162) 23.04.25 Quit feisar_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.04.29 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@89.166.50.63) 23.04.57 # good evening, i would like to ask, whether i could format my Sandisk Sansa e280 without Rockbox noticing it? because something has gone terribly wrong, and i now have a couple of folders containing over 46 gb (or so it says) of files, that i cannot delete. 23.05.56 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 23.06.04 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 23.06.35 # First try to run chkdsk or fsck on it. That might fix the problem 23.07.43 # okay, il try that. Just a sec 23.10.57 # would it be safe to try and fix the errors chkdsk has found? or should i try to take a backup before? 23.11.55 Quit Buschel_ () 23.12.02 # If you don't have a backup, I'd suggest to backup what you can now 23.12.13 # right:) 23.15.24 # umm 23.15.30 # * amiconn might have found something... 23.21.14 # amiconn: what length of usb cable are you using with your hub ? 23.21.26 # 50 cm 23.21.57 # That shouldn't introduce timing problems then 23.22.59 # The ipod cable is 1.2m (same as the sansa cable) 23.26.15 Quit HellDragon (Remote closed the connection) 23.28.17 Quit barrywardell () 23.30.08 Join hd [0] (i=jd@modemcable194.186-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.30.08 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.09 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.30.15 # Gevaerts, i could kiss you! 23.30.25 # * gevaerts hides 23.30.34 # it all works like a charm now, thanks a lot:D 23.30.40 # great :) 23.30.46 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 23.30.50 # thanks, and have a nice evening 23.30.57 Quit Agent_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 23.31.32 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 23.31.40 Nick toffe82_ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 23.33.49 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.37.05 # gevaerts: According to the i.MX31 datasheet, REG_OTGSC bit 3 should be 1 for device operation (OTG termination). I tried setting this bit, but can't observe an effect.... 23.37.27 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.170.235) 23.37.27 Quit ido_sh ("leaving") 23.37.55 # * amiconn also tried USBMODE_STREAM_DISABLE again, in combination with that bit 23.39.03 # * gevaerts should read the entire usb chapter in the datasheet again. There _must_ be something that we missed 23.43.06 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 23.51.14 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.51.21 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)