--- Log for 06.05.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.09 # the playback behaviour isn't change 00.00.45 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.00.48 # well, yes and no... 00.01.49 # there are solutions where it doesn't change (changing how the WPS accesses the value, as I explained), but I would prefer to make the playlist index be incremented after the actual track change 00.02.00 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.02.26 # ... which changes the behaviour and fixes another bug (FS#8206) 00.03.22 # Well, delaying works for all normal tags, so if you put the index into the id3 struct, the display should be correct. If only the wps reads it from there, playback behaviour shouldn't change at all, unless something really fishy is going on 00.03.58 # (i.e. something is reading the value back from the wps, which must never happen imo) 00.07.01 # indeed, changing the display as you say won't affect playback at all, but the playlist will still be out of sync even though it doesn't show in the wps 00.07.07 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 00.07.21 # it will show in the playlist viewer and will manifest through FS#8206 00.11.25 # Hmm, never observed 8206 myself. Maybe that's because it's rather unlikely to stop within a 3 second window within a 4..5 minute song by chance 00.13.21 # yeah, it's hard to have it happen by chance 00.14.03 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3029.gwdg.de) 00.15.57 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.18.10 # euh 00.18.22 # * amiconn just observed a case of repeated last track 00.18.56 Quit CyBergRind|w (Success) 00.20.01 # I have no real idea how that happened, but when I thought the album will end soon (last track playing), the playlist position showed 12/13. And then it started playing the last track again, showing 13/13 00.20.09 # The album does have 13 tracks 00.20.51 # I guess something went wrong during resume 00.21.40 # :/ 00.22.35 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.50 Nick RIP|Hannes is now known as basti (i=bnc@85.214.109.173) 00.23.07 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.23.14 # It's not the very latest svn though, but r17335 00.26.29 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.253.92) 00.26.38 # I don't think there were any playback changes since then 00.27.06 # Is there any way the beginning of rebuffering could cause a problem? I haven't been able to test this at all yet, but I think the last two times I ended up on a song different from what the playlist position should be, the track change happened during a disk spinup. 00.27.13 # I've been waiting for bug reports to come in before making any further iffy changes 00.27.29 # Llorean: on a flash target? 00.27.42 # Nico_P: No. Flash targets don't have disk spinups. On my gigabeat. 00.28.01 # hmm yes. *slaps forehead* 00.28.25 # there might be a weakness there 00.28.29 # I was referencing his mention of the playlist position differing from the song actually being played, which is, I think, that problem I brought up before. 00.28.43 Quit mewshi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.28.53 # It would also explain why it's a *lot* more rare when people let playback occur without manual skips, but still occasionally happens. 00.29.01 # By "people" I suppose I mean "me" 00.29.34 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.33.48 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.38.10 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 00.39.06 Join mewshi [0] (n=mewshi@147.64.182.69) 00.41.57 Quit gevaerts ("it's dark outside") 00.43.24 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.46.04 # Llorean: you suggest that the track repeats don't (or didn't) happen on flash targets? 00.46.18 # pixelma: I didn't intend to suggest that. 00.46.39 # hmm... misunderstood then 00.47.06 # I merely meant to say that "on the one target I've experienced it on so far, I *think* I've noticed correlation between it occurring and disk spinups happening during track transitions, but have no solid evidence yet" 00.48.18 # The problem is to make a synthetic test that makes the problems show up earlier 00.48.22 Quit Lynx_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 00.48.44 # 140 fps at 48 mhz at 320x240 is quite decent, isn't it? 00.48.50 # Much like the wavplay plugin helped me solving the occasional MMC driver hangs on Ondio 00.50.02 # wavplay caused way more SPI activity than mp3 playback, both on the MMC SPI and the MAS SPI, hence making the hangs much more likely 00.50.09 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.50.10 # maybe a plugin could simulate crazy user behaviour and check the results 00.51.01 # preglow: Not good enough. :-P 00.51.27 # Do you mean 48khz audio? 00.52.08 # Llorean: got it now and I could imagine that - if condensed to track change during buffering because I experienced that on my c200 as well (not lately though after Nico_P decided to go back) 00.52.57 # pixelma: Unfortunately, I have a very hard time reproducing it without just skipping wildly and hoping. 00.53.47 # yeah, never been able to reproduce too 00.53.59 # I wonder what happens if you put lots of 2-second files into the playlist on swcodec (i.e. tracks which are shorther than the track transition window) 00.54.26 # amiconn: I've actually experienced the problem most with flac files and very large MP3s. 00.54.33 # (thinking torture test here) 00.55.04 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 00.55.05 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-251-136.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.55.07 # Or skipping previous. 00.55.17 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-251-136.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.57.21 # amiconn: that could become pretty ugly 00.57.43 # Llorean: Another torture test would be possible if it more often hits files larger than the buffer: Reduce the audio buffer to 1MB or so, so that it has to rebuffer really often 00.58.43 Quit csc` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.59.45 Quit ender` (" Today's BOFH excuse: Zombie processes haunting the computer") 01.02.54 # amiconn: I'm not really finding why the splash doesn't show up 01.03.33 # I don't know gui_wps_show at all and it's not exactly easy to follow 01.06.38 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.07.05 # I'll soon know whether it also fails when playing an album from start to end without skipping or stopping+resuming (quite unlikely case for me when listening during the day) 01.08.04 Join toffe82__ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 01.08.12 Nick toffe82__ is now known as toffe82 (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 01.08.46 # What I do know that it does work on hwcodec, and there is no ifdef in that function. 01.10.02 # It seems that the 3-seconds resume bug is gone though. It seems that I somehow saw the 3-seconds resume and the misssing end-of-list splash as one and the same problem (because both have to do with what happens at the end of a playlist) 01.12.41 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.19.52 Quit toffe82_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.25.05 # wow gdb is really acting weird 01.27.15 # The splash is also missing when playing an album from start to end. 01.27.19 # (on H180) 01.29.22 # ah, I've gotten it to show! :) 01.30.28 # One of the conditions in gwps-common.c line 320 is obviously not met. That also explains why the 3-seconds resume needed an explicit fix. The same if() body also clears the resume position 01.32.59 # amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/1008800 makes it appear 01.34.26 Quit Synergy6 ("Adios") 01.34.30 # I'm pretty sure I had never seen that splash screen before though 01.36.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.36.32 # it's not very pretty. it makes the statusbar appear on top of the WPS even though it's not supposed to be displayed. also the wps isn't updated to the stop graphics 01.38.10 # time for me to go to bed 01.38.47 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.41.08 # Hmm, the statusbar redraw probably needs to check the enable status. That's in turn something I wouldn't have noticed.... 01.43.27 # * amiconn usually uses the standard statusbar instead of thoroughly recreating its functionality 01.45.41 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.20 Quit barrywardell () 01.48.38 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.226.58.34) 01.56.59 Join Lars_G [0] (n=Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 01.57.05 # Hi all. Sorry trying to resolve an svn conflict. has "bool scrub_ffwd_rew(int button)" been eliminated from apps/gui/gwps-common.(c|h) I can't determine if it was eliminated or it's a problem with my copy 02.03.09 # Lars_G: can't you just check out a clean copy of the file and check? 02.03.49 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 02.04.00 # Llorean: Meh I think I will 02.05.19 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.08.10 Part toffe82 02.13.32 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.14.13 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3004.gwdg.de) 02.15.55 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 02.16.40 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.16.46 Join mewshi_ [0] (n=mewshi@edinboro.63-160-38-99.cust.stargate.net) 02.18.35 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.19.08 Quit mewshi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.22.20 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.24.25 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.35 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.39.18 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=1800dac6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-47d476ffbb97d250) 02.48.49 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.51.15 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.56.08 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 03.02.56 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable002.173-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 03.05.50 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.06.18 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.06.24 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.07.51 Part pixelma 03.11.25 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 03.20.28 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 03.29.38 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.33.13 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 03.34.27 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-99-130-4-174.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 03.36.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.46.02 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 04.00.36 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008032620]") 04.14.25 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.15.15 Quit leox (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.17 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.21.50 Join rpj8 [0] (n=rpj8@c-71-230-51-186.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 04.22.26 # Hey guys. I'm trying to install rockbox on an ipod nano 1st gen. I tried both the automated and the manual install, and both don't continue, giving me an error "No ipods found, aborting". 04.22.37 # I'm definitely in disk mode, and it's mounted as well. 04.23.27 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.23.42 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.26.03 # I should also mention I'm trying to do this in linux. 04.26.15 # dmesg is able to detect it as scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Apple iPod 1.62 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 04.26.24 Join Shaid3 [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.27.00 # I'm not sure if it has to be mounted for install... for the bootloader install that is 04.27.26 # Lars_G: Well for the automatic installer it says it has to be as it asks for a mount point 04.28.00 Join Absnthe [0] (n=Christop@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 04.28.15 # unmounted it gives the same error. [INFO] Scanning disk devices... 04.28.15 # [ERR] No ipods found, aborting 04.28.27 # Do you have the proper permissions? 04.28.30 # Perhaps sudo ipodpatcher 04.28.36 # Ah, that's a good point. 04.28.37 # one sec 04.29.07 # Nope. Same error. 04.29.45 # Are you 100% sure it's a 1st generation? 04.29.59 # The only other is a 2nd gen, correct? 04.30.04 # And 3rd gen.. 04.30.12 # Hm, perhaps it's a 3rd gen :( 04.30.31 # Gahhh. Now I'll have to somehow restore the default ipod firmware. 04.31.20 # rpj8: restoring is very easy 04.31.30 # in linux? 04.31.32 # rpj8: Anyhow, nanos are easy to discover. what color is yours? 04.31.39 # Hmm no in linux it's not so easy 04.31.40 # It's a white 1gb model. 04.31.48 # is the front plastic? 04.32.10 # Then it's a first generation. 04.32.35 # Second generations are same form but with rounded edges and the whole body is metal, in metal, black or colors coloring. 04.32.58 # Lars_G: Third generation also comes in white, I believe.. 04.32.59 # Third generation nanos are the "fatty", all metal body like 2G but square instead of rectangular. 04.33.06 # But 1gb is 1st-gen only 04.33.08 # ah 04.33.19 # well this is a long-ish one hah. 04.33.20 # the easiest way to restore the firmware is in windows or mac with iTunes 04.33.32 # And the automatic installed when I did an autodetect came up with a 1st gen 04.33.36 # If the iPod partition layout is too broken, iPodPatcher won't detecti t. 04.33.43 # You basically need a working iPod before you can install Rockbox 04.33.47 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.33.54 # I see. 04.34.02 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.34.16 # Well, I'll hop on a windows pc now then and try to restore it... last time I tried to use itunes it just wouldn't start up. 04.34.31 # not that that's your problem :) 04.38.32 # what can I do if neither itunes or any other operating systems (windows, mac, linux) recognise my ipod? 04.38.44 # Absnthe: Follow the IpodManualRestore wiki page. 04.40.30 # thank you 04.44.06 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.44.21 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.48.02 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.03 Nick Shaid3 is now known as Shaid (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.51.40 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.53.29 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF73CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.53.50 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 04.54.32 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.54.47 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.01.10 Quit z35 (Remote closed the connection) 05.04.52 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.05.07 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.05.21 Join z35 [0] (n=z@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 05.08.18 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 05.11.13 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.11.30 Quit csc` (Remote closed the connection) 05.14.51 Quit Absnthe ("Leaving") 05.20.58 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 05.36.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.43.00 Quit Horscht ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 05.44.11 Quit csc` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.48.47 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 06.04.36 Join ReKleSS [0] (n=ReKleSS@d122-104-99-167.meb3.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.07.50 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.08.40 Quit rpj8 (Remote closed the connection) 06.13.29 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-174-104-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 06.34.18 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.43.02 # hell yeah... this single inline setting thing might actually work :D 07.03.36 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 07.09.06 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.10.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF73CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.11.34 Join David_ [0] (n=David@c-71-59-195-130.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 07.12.27 # hey, just installed rockbox on my ipod color, and now when i initialize the database it crashes. It happens after an apparently random amount of time too, I can't predict it, but it's around 100-300 songs it indexes before it crashes. Anyone know why? 07.13.02 Quit csc` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.20.41 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.22.10 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.25.24 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.26.12 # David_: broken tags is usually the reason 07.26.40 # ahh, thanks. so how do I fix the tags? 07.27.03 # with a tagging program? I dunno... 07.27.09 # you need to find the tracks with the problem 07.27.28 # cool, thanks JdGordon 07.28.16 Quit David_ ("Leaving") 07.31.14 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-229-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.31.16 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 07.36.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.39.31 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821738c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65538a4418e61a5d) 07.40.27 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.45.00 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.45.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 08.00.09 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.00.09 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 08.03.38 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.12.04 Quit m0f0x () 08.17.02 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@txx226.disy.net) 08.17.19 Nick daurnimator is now known as zz_daurnimator (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 08.17.24 Nick zz_daurnimator is now known as daurnimator (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 08.18.29 Quit daurnimator ("ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net") 08.22.50 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 08.24.49 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.29.41 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@193.154.222.107) 08.30.59 # is private messaging on the rockbox forum just disabled or not working? 08.31.58 # some users dont let you pm them 08.32.12 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 08.32.12 Quit midgey () 08.33.35 # a i think it worked anyway, just didn't enable to save a copy in my outbox 08.33.46 # Hi all! I have actually two questions. 1) What actually appens in "study" mode? 2) How can I access the QuickScreen from an H300 device? 08.34.39 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.34.45 # 1) dunno, 2) hold a-b 08.35.07 # 1) Think of it more like "tracklock." 08.35.24 # With it enabled, it skips within the file, instead of to the next file. 08.35.36 # The original idea for it was to be used with audio books and such. 08.35.54 # At least, that's the impression I got when I read the FS# for it. 08.36.58 # * Mouser_X notices that there's unused buttons on the 'beast in Rockbox. 08.37.18 # Actually, I pushed one once to see what would happen, and it locked up... 08.37.29 # I had to use the battery switch. 08.38.12 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 08.38.49 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.40.50 Nick ch4os_ is now known as ch4os (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 08.42.39 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-984dcd7b1ae7b91c) 08.43.04 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-984dcd7b1ae7b91c) 08.49.58 # Has anyone tried using CreativeWizard to upload a firmware file to the Gigabeat S on Windows? http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?144865 08.50.23 # interesting v2 details 08.50.23 # sendfirm works on the Zen, so I would expect that tool to work on the beast... 08.51.30 # I'd give it a try, but I'd hate to have to resort to Linux to fix my beast if it failed. 08.51.55 # Nothing against Linux mind you. I just had a tough time getting it installed on my beast is all (the bootloader, not Linux). 08.54.45 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.54.53 # linuxstb_: I tried to use directmtp , a tool from microsoft, I can send the object properties, but when I send the file , the player is no more available, I have to check again 08.56.17 # http://imagebin.ca/view/qOPxq11.html 08.57.05 # eek 08.57.05 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.57.10 # no likey? 08.57.26 # JdGordon: i am afraid what others will say for you :) 08.57.26 # I like 08.57.31 # Presumably all the items shift up and down as you move the cursor? 08.57.35 # yeah 08.57.49 # * scorche likes....saves a lot of keypresses 08.58.05 # I think there will be 3 modes.. disabled, like that, and 2 lines for every item 08.58.16 # oh goody...more options... 08.58.29 # unfortunatly, that has required a few tiny hacks to get working 08.58.32 # Do we really need 3 different ways to view settings? 08.58.33 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCFDDF.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.58.34 # So, if you've got something selected (as in your example) it will say what setting that item has in the 2nd line? 08.59.00 # linuxstb_: well we dont really need any actually :) 08.59.49 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.59.58 # JdGordon: I wonder how this will look on a smaller screen and/or when using a larger font 09.00.14 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.00.24 # The font is quite tiny for the example target 09.01.20 # as long as the 2nd line doesnt need to scroll it should look fine 09.01.45 # * JdGordon commits.. 09.02.00 # It might actually need to scroll 09.02.13 Part toffe82 09.02.16 # Don't forget there are other languages than just english 09.02.30 # * JdGordon doesnt really commit :p 09.03.12 # found a setting which can easily need to scroll 09.03.22 # Btw, the left & right quickscreen settings often need to scroll in german (the settings, not the values). Still better than the old, staggered quickscreen though 09.03.58 # how much extra room do they need to not scroll? 09.04.06 # is it just too small? or a fair bit? 09.04.15 # A fair bit 09.04.39 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 09.04.52 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 09.04.56 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.05.04 # "Repeat" -> "Wiederholung", "Shuffle" -> "Zufallswiedergabe" 09.05.20 # use shorter words :p 09.05.45 # isnt shuffle just yes/no? 09.05.56 # * petur wonder how bad it will be in French 09.06.03 # or finnish! 09.06.05 # The first example cannot be shortened while keeping the meaning. The second probably could be shortened a bit 09.06.23 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3034.gwdg.de) 09.06.30 Join mrkiko_ [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 09.07.47 Join webguest35 [0] (n=18226ac2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-55ce7067a198f402) 09.08.13 # hello everyone 09.08.39 # i'm just trying out rockbox on ipod, after using the H300 version for a long time 09.09.21 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.09.27 # i'm having a silly problem - i loaded into apple firmware, and the ipod refuses to turn off rather than just the hardware suspend mode 09.09.44 # That's a "feature" of the Apple firmware... 09.09.45 # is there a trick to turning it really off, so i can boot rockbox back up, or do I just have to wait? 09.10.01 # You need to do a hard reset/reboot - hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds. 09.10.03 # webguest35: hard reset it 09.10.10 # thanks! 09.10.21 # "Zufallswiedergabe" is somewhat imprecise anyway, because it actually means "Random". "Shuffle" translates as "Mischen", but that would also be ambiguous, because it also means 'to mix' 09.10.22 # webguest35: This page is useful to know - http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations 09.10.46 # heh, thanks a lot guys 09.10.59 Part LinusN 09.11.09 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.11.15 # i've been using on the h300 for years, your work has been incredibly beneficial 09.11.22 Part LinusN 09.12.14 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.12.27 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.12.27 Quit webguest35 (Client Quit) 09.15.29 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.19.20 # well ill be bloody surprised if this is ever allowed to be commited :p soo many "tweaks" needed for it to work 09.19.46 # but while everyone is here.. is there any reason we dont have a way to put styled text at a pixel co-ord? 09.20.18 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.24.47 # JdGordon: Is it needed? 09.24.55 # JdGordon: (1) It was not needed so far. (2) It only makes limited sense 09.24.56 # it will be for this 09.25.13 # * petur whispers 'viewports' 09.25.22 # I've modified lcd_puts_style_offset to do it 09.25.28 # The only style we have atm is inverted, and how would you decide what to invert when placing text at a pixel position? 09.25.36 # no, viewports does really make sense for this 09.27.48 # You need it to right-align the text? 09.28.11 # yeah 09.28.46 # hmm.. 09.28.59 # just tihnking it wont work because of the gradient selection bar... 09.29.15 # but if I can set the viewports bg colour to transparent it might.. 09.29.27 # And if you need to invert just the text itself, set fg&bg (or inverse drawmode) before, and reset it afterwards 09.29.53 # yay, 1 less hack needed :) 09.30.03 # * amiconn actually forgot the gradient as he never uses it 09.30.33 # I've also got it not showing the second line if the menu doesnt have any settings.. I need something for funcion calls and submenus though 09.30.40 # ----> is good for submenu.. 09.32.37 Quit mrkiko_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.32.38 # * amiconn wonders whether JdGordon willl also try to make submenus unfold within the parent menu ... :/ 09.32.45 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 09.32.58 # now THAT would be cool! :p 09.33.10 # never leae the main menu 09.33.47 # oh, and screen transitions :p 09.34.12 # * petur watches amiconn run away, screaming 09.34.45 # * pixelma would rather see the statusbar update lag fixed... 09.34.52 # * scorche is getting reminded of the Gigabeat S’s OF 09.35.19 # we actually could do menu transitions now with viewports and some trickery :) 09.35.19 # * petur wonders how the conversion of the recording screen to viewports is going 09.35.41 # stopped :p lost interest in it unfortunatly... 09.35.59 # split the drawing code out of the button code and itll be easier to do 09.36.01 # * petur figured as much 09.36.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.38.08 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@dhcp-25-195.fh-friedberg.de) 09.45.25 # * linuxstb notices we now have a green build table... 09.46.38 # * scorche wonder if a pool is around for how long it will last and if it will make the whole length of the table 09.48.10 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.52.07 # 3 rows is hardly a green table 09.52.38 # * JdGordon puts his money on it wont last the whole table 10.01.39 # JdGordon: you can't bet on it because you had the power to influence that ;) 10.02.16 # I can vote on the elections here and have the power to influence them also...'= 10.02.37 # admitadly not as much though :p 10.15.20 Quit homielowe () 10.21.43 # JdGordon: It would possibly be cool, but hamper usability beyond everything 10.22.19 # what would? 10.22.29 # * amiconn totally fails to see what's cool about transition effects though 10.23.54 # me wonders what, if anything, amiconn does consider cool 10.23.59 # ^/ 10.25.14 # does the transparent colour not work with the font drawing? 10.27.04 # ? 10.27.53 # I'm getting black text in a purple rectangle 10.27.54 # GodEater: I consider it cool if something works reliable and is usable. That includes being _fast_, which automatically excludes any transitions 10.28.23 # JdGordon: Fonts are mono bitmaps. The transparent colour only works for native bitmaps 10.28.44 # nooooooooo! 10.28.46 # There is no transparent colour 10.28.50 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.29.11 # It's only a property of bitmaps 10.31.02 # * petur expects 'is' to become 'was' soon.... ;) 10.31.42 # It it is even only a property of 16 bit bitmaps so far 10.32.13 # hell yeah! got it working without it 10.32.35 # nice call on forcing me to use viewpoers petur :) 10.32.58 # Heh 10.34.07 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 10.36.19 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 10.37.40 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.38.41 # anyone wanna test this out? 10.39.38 # arg, iriver remote lcd is breaking it 10.40.17 # I'm a little interested. 10.40.36 # * Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F and S, but no build environment. 10.40.50 # (And a Sansa e250 actually) 10.41.47 # * JdGordon needs to fix the small lcd issue :( 10.42.01 # seems to have problems putting the item on the screen if there is < 5 lines 10.42.55 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.45.56 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 10.47.29 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 10.59.14 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.59.14 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 11.00.21 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.253.92) 11.01.12 # Bagder: flyspray just died when I tried adding a task.. 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(fsockopen: #) ] 11.02.05 # http://pastebin.ca/1009133 is the full error message 11.02.11 # load average: 110.83, 61.34, 27.79 11.02.13 # ... 11.08.48 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet32.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 11.10.18 # the color selector isn't working the way it should. it doesn't allow selecting the same colour (i.e. leaving it unchanged( 11.11.34 # the options are to either remove the block on setting fg and bg colour the same (http://pastebin.ca/1009138) or making it work properly (http://pastebin.ca/1009135) 11.11.57 # which would be preferable? there's a 64 byte difference between the two 11.14.39 # * barrywardell directs the question particularly at JdGordon since he wrote the original code (and the newer broken version) 11.23.36 Join AceNik [0] (n=AceNik@117.98.58.14) 11.23.52 # I would think the 2nd option is better 11.24.45 # guys i need help to create a patch, how do i make the patch consider to leave somewhat 10 lines above & below it so that it does not give an error, like it should judge if the line numbers hav changed 11.24.52 # FS#8968 is up if anyone wants to have a play with the inline setting patych 11.25.16 # AceNik: svn diff 11.25.49 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.27.02 # JDGordon: what i mean is suppose at the time i created the patch the english.lang file ended at a particular line number say 13000, now suppose there was an addition to it in the future, so is there a way my patch will consider to just my modifications to the last line of the then english.lang file 11.27.41 # i dunno 11.29.02 # can i play with this setting instead -0,0 +1,2570 int he patch file ? 11.31.06 # * barrywardell goes with the second option 11.31.16 # AceNik: patches are already made to be as forgiving as possible to changes in the original 11.32.10 # b4gder: what if i change the line number t a line numbe rthat does not exist, will the file patch the lines to the last lines of the existing file ? 11.32.23 # Could we add a comment to the end of english.lang for example, to help patches which always add things to the end? 11.33.03 # yes, that would help 11.33.11 # if it would be multiple lines 11.33.25 # Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. 11.33.30 # linuxstb: because every patch break with the lan files itself 11.33.38 # barrywardell: Regarding your first suggestion: *never* just cut a phrase from the .lang file. It needs to be deprecated 11.33.39 # AceNik: I know. 11.34.48 # amiconn: ok, I was wondering about that, thanks. I won't be doing the first suggestion anyway so it's not a problem this time 11.35.51 # suppose a file is 2000 lines, n in the patch i put a line number that is greater like say +2020,2030, will that place the files at the end of the file, even though actually it should start patchin at 2001 line number ? 11.35.52 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 11.36.12 # AceNik: I think the context of the patch is what is much more important than the line number hints 11.36.34 # the context before and after the actual changes I mean 11.36.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.36.45 # wellt he context is a .lang, file so i think we can afford to do somethin like this in that ? 11.37.13 # like what? 11.37.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.37.40 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 11.37.53 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der_Paps@dhcp-25-195.fh-friedberg.de) 11.38.10 # ima sking that can we give it a few lines to consider extra, instead of beginin to patch at a particular line 11.39.02 # liek i said if a file ends at 2000, the patch suppose has to start patching at 2001, can we give it 2020, will that still patch at 2001 ? 11.39.19 # don't ask us, just try it 11.39.28 # ok 11.39.38 # and again, it'll help more if we add a mult-line comment at the bottom of the .lang file 11.39.52 # but that wouldn't be too convenient either 11.40.07 # since then we'd need to manually change it after the patch is applied if we want to commit 11.41.10 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 11.41.42 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 11.47.30 # B4gder: it works 11.48.20 Join przemhb [0] (n=chatzill@acsx191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 11.48.57 # if your sure that the lines you need to add to the english.lang file are to be added in the end, that is after the last line then you can specify any startin line number greater than the existing one, & you lines get patched in the end itself 11.49.59 # hi all 11.50.28 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 11.51.03 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 11.51.08 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 11.51.56 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.52.01 # In font.h missing sysfont.h is included which causes build error. I'm a bit confused. How to compile recent sources? 11.52.32 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.52.32 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 11.53.26 # przemhb: tried a make clean? 11.53.35 # yes I did 11.53.42 # a few times 11.53.49 # and you have a clean svn version? 11.54.12 # I cannot compile for a few weeks due to the problem 11.54.22 # no, modified 11.54.30 # but everyone else seem to manage it, that's why I ask 11.54.44 # try make veryclean 11.54.47 # but I have checked in the SVN font.h sysfont.h is included which is missing in SVN 11.55.34 # trying veryclean... 11.56.28 # sysfont.h is generated by the build 11.56.45 # after that try to build 11.56.53 # and since you have problems, try an unmodified build and see if that works 11.57.25 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-119430.home.otenet.gr) 12.01.52 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.02.11 # veryclean did not helped; I'll try unmodified SVN 12.04.20 # AceNik: what I usually do with outdated patches is: revert the tree to the time when the patch was made, apply patch, svn up, fix any conflicts, make new patch 12.08.35 Part przemhb 12.09.51 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 12.10.01 Part DefineByte ("Bye all") 12.10.43 # is it ok to change the committers file to UTF-8? 12.10.55 # markun: thats waht even i do, fix any incosistances 12.11.20 # markun: That's waiting for B4gder to update the website to accomodate it. 12.11.32 # AceNik: Ah, I thought you were editing the patches by hand 12.11.33 # (which is why it was excluded from the change) 12.11.40 # but this time i modified the english.lang part of the patch, so that if there is another problem ill fix, atleast teh english .lang file wont trouble me 12.12.20 # linuxstb: ah yes 12.12.58 # markun: all the modified patchdoes is, assume a line number greater than the original english.lang file ending, so that in time even with time if the english.lang file grew in line numbers, this patchwould still be able to place its code at thebottom of the file 12.15.44 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.28.39 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.29.01 Part AceNik 12.30.02 # hmmm. przemhb left. His problem reminds me of FS#7583 12.33.16 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.34.57 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-229-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.39.10 Quit barrywardell () 12.42.06 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 12.44.33 # linuxstb: how does the tcc77x rtc behave when you try to read from it? 12.47.43 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.49.15 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3009.gwdg.de) 12.50.34 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 12.51.29 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 12.54.54 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 13.02.19 # is there a way to get an overview over my current watched tasks in the bug tracker? 13.06.30 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.06.35 # in the tasklist search, there is a "tasks I watch" checkbox. If I select it and perform a search without specifying something else I get all I watch. Not sure whether there is a more elegant way but it works 13.07.53 # there is a menu called "My searches" on top of the page, click on it and select "Tasks I watch" 13.08.41 # ah 13.17.09 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3080.gwdg.de) 13.17.49 # LinusN: bah, thanks :) 13.21.46 # I also didn't know that 13.22.50 # * preglow wonders how many people use the max/min range options for the peak meter 13.22.51 Quit PaulJam (".") 13.24.40 # * JdGordon wonders how many people leave almost all the options on default 13.24.42 # not much, I guess 13.24.52 # (to preglow) 13.26.13 # i wonder why the hell you'd want to do such a thing anyway 13.27.11 # preglow: that feature seems quite popular among the tapers 13.27.36 # why? 13.28.23 # some people want more visual accuracy maybe? I just see it discussed from time to time on taperssection 13.29.34 Join marqck [0] (n=sandisk@58.71.72.254) 13.31.19 # preglow: I'm using min (setting it to -50 instead of -60), but never max 13.31.49 # has the dircache "scanning" splash stopped for everyone? or is it just the sim here? 13.32.31 # i use peak meter in linear mode anyway 13.36.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.38.55 # so many settings i never use... 13.40.15 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.38 # LinusN: did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14524.msg124510#msg124510 ? 13.42.44 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3063.gwdg.de) 13.44.02 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.46.01 # petur: you mean that it stops charging? 13.46.20 # he says it starts running down the battery again 13.50.32 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 13.52.10 Quit midgey (Client Quit) 13.53.51 # Grr... anyone have experience with libmtp and or sendfirm 13.54.48 # I've compiled and installed libmtp and libusb, sendfirm compiles fine but when I try to run the binary it complains about not finding libmtp.so.6 13.55.17 # /usr/local/lib is in the path (location of the .so) 13.55.38 # Is /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf ? 13.57.22 # Do I need to do anything after including the directory 13.57.38 # Run ldconfig 13.57.51 # as root, presumably 13.58.13 # * linuxstb has forgotten all this - apt-get makes you lazy... 13.58.29 # Ah, beautiful. Thanks guys. 14.02.29 # aliask: Have you tried the CreativeWizard tool to upload firmware files? 14.03.12 # Can't say I have - similar to sendfirm? 14.03.14 # http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?144865 14.03.41 # It's a tool for hacking Creative firmwares, but it includes a firmware upload function. Apparently sendfirm works on the Zen, so I would expect that tool to work on the S. 14.04.07 # I doubt it'd work under wine somehow 14.04.19 # No, I'm talking about it as a Windows solution... 14.04.57 # Mm, but I haven't got a windows box at the moment to test on 14.05.26 # OK, forget about it then. 14.06.59 # Good to see a possibility of a windows updater though - he's even released source for the program 14.07.12 # linuxstb: you need a windows test? can do on XP. 14.10.39 # jhMikeS: I'm just curious if it works... 14.11.00 # I can't get the link to work and the source is vb :( 14.11.03 # Was there any resolution to the unknown IRQ problem at all? 14.12.11 # aliask: not yet though it may have to do with the WFI errata 14.12.51 # * linuxstb just realises that tool was written by mcuelenaere... 14.13.05 # haha 14.13.37 # I saw that. Tell him to fix the link :) 14.14.40 # unless it's on my end somehow 14.14.57 # linuxstb: can you get dl it? 14.15.21 # I just got the source a minute ago - can mirror if you need 14.16.09 # jhMikeS: Assuming you mean this link, then no - http://bananweb.mine.nu/zvmmod/files/CWS.rar 14.17.03 # linxustb: Yes 14.17.14 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 14.17.25 # jhMikeS: http://aliask.dyndns.org:70/temp/zvmwizard.zip 14.17.33 # * linuxstb wonders why people like to put rars inside zips (and vice-versa)... 14.17.58 # aliask: forbidden :) 14.18.48 # Oops, fixed :P 14.19.08 # tnkas 14.19.11 # *thanks 14.20.28 # * jhMikeS can't make a VB project 14.21.05 # I guess a VB .NET project isn't ideal for incorporating into rbutil either... 14.21.27 # * linuxstb wonders if Nico_P made any progress with his win32 sendfirm 14.21.52 # I needed the link to the executable but thanks anyway 14.22.28 # jhMikeS: I don't know if you read in the logs, but after a recovery to the OF and reinstall, my S is working again.... Moos's S is also working, again with no obvious clue to the real problem. 14.23.03 # linuxstb: in talking to him that what I thought he already did. 14.23.41 Quit PaulJam (".") 14.24.25 # in case you missed that I mentioned eariler: never cut power on the S in retailos unless it's sleeping. it's the way I did manage to corrupt my partition one time. 14.28.14 # linuxstb: What happened with your S? And moos'? 14.28.49 # The bootloader was refusing to find rockbox.gigabeat 14.29.16 # petur: the charging is done by the hardware, so i can't really see how the bootloader could affect it 14.30.00 # I had major filesystem corruption after copying some stuff over from USB - hopefully the recovery mode format fixes it, but I'm getting IRQ errors while untarring 14.30.13 # LinusN: ok, I should just try it myself to see if bootloader charging differs from normal 14.32.01 # is there a reason the flash plugin is only done for h1x0 and not h3x0? 14.43.14 Quit rgould (Remote closed the connection) 14.43.17 Join rgould [0] (n=rgould@CPE00016ce73a0c-CM001a66682bea.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 14.45.41 Part B4gder 14.53.08 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529044.dsl.bell.ca) 14.58.41 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008041514]") 15.03.29 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e28a3ed94f8e2e3c) 15.17.55 Quit K4rP4D (Remote closed the connection) 15.19.27 # petur: I think it's simply because Slasheri is the only person mad enough to try flashing without a bdm, and he only has an h1x0... 15.19.55 # probably... 15.21.06 # * petur wonders if LinusN will bring a h3x0 with BDM to devcon. Flashing debug session would be nice, next to the planned h380 bootloader one 15.21.32 # don't hold your breath 15.21.55 # :/ 15.21.59 # the bdm wiggler requires a parallel port on the pc 15.22.06 # oh 15.22.37 # if i had unlimited spare time, i would build a usb bdm wiggler 15.23.45 # i have schematics and everything, but no time to build one, and no time to write the drivers for gdb 15.24.39 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.33 # Why is parallel port a problem? 15.28.06 # amiconn: because few laptops have those nowadays 15.28.33 # My laptop has one 15.28.37 # not even desktop pc:s have them nowadays 15.28.40 # Mine too. 15.28.50 # Use a desktop pc for that kind of work then... 15.28.51 # But then again my laptop is already 4 years old. :) 15.29.10 # * amiconn 's laptop has no parallel port either, even though it's almost 5 years old 15.29.11 # amiconn: i won't bring my desktop pc to devcon 15.29.53 # * gevaerts will bring his laptop to devcon, so there will be at least one parallel port available 15.31.58 # * LinusN has to go 15.32.09 Part LinusN 15.36.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.41.16 Quit ReKleSS ("Leaving") 15.43.56 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 15.45.04 # linuxstb: I didn't make any progress because I don't have access to a windows machine 15.45.17 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279529044.dsl.bell.ca) 15.49.13 # (and also because windows programming doesn't motivate me much) 15.50.57 # there are usb parallel port adapters 15.51.50 # petur: i would be willing to try h300 flashing but don't have one :) 15.53.09 # Slasheri: the reason I start talking about it is that the h300 OF is not CF compatible, and being able to flash from within RB would help a lot in the future :) 15.53.28 # ah, indeed :) 15.54.31 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-211-170-4.asm.bellsouth.net) 15.56.24 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.57.15 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.00.21 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 16.07.46 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.07.55 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-062-091-176.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.09.15 # hmm, the Rockbox Info screen is only redrawing when a button is pressed, and when voice is disabled the selector is invisible (!) so the time display with seconds is frozen... (until you press a button) 16.11.37 # The selector is invisbile on purpose (because there's nothing to select). The missing redraw is nasty though 16.16.50 # would it be bad to redraw the simplelist on every loop iteration (done for statusbar)? 16.16.55 # JdGordon|zzz: ping 16.17.19 # n1s: yes, because this would break scrolling 16.17.38 # ah, tricky 16.21.04 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.21.39 Join francoisdinel [0] (n=802b3ffe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89adf5070e41b1c3) 16.22.09 # Hey LambdaCalculus37 16.22.16 # :) 16.22.44 # I'm atomikpunk on the rockbox forums. 16.22.54 # Hi! 16.22.56 # can you add me to the write list for the wiki? 16.23.01 # What's your wiki name? 16.23.26 # FrancoisDinel 16.23.37 # Okay, will do. 16.23.44 # francoisdinel: are you French by any chance? 16.24.18 # Canadian French yes ;) 16.24.40 # sorry I can't stay here for long, I'm at work and IRC is... let's say... prohibited ;) 16.24.48 # :) 16.25.08 # francoisdinel: All done. Welcome to Rockbox! 16.25.16 # Thanks Calculus! 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It comes with the source (after installation) 18.24.39 # mtppk12.exe? 18.24.44 # let me check.. 18.25.01 # no, I didn't try your program because I don't have access to a windows machine ATM 18.25.13 # this weekend I will, but time will be the issue 18.25.18 # Have either of you investigated the license of that SDK and lib? Are we able to include it in a GPL app like rbutil? 18.25.25 # Nico_P: " Welcome to the Windows Software Development Kit (SDK) for Windows Vista" 18.25.41 # so not mtppk12.exe; I downloaded a part of the full SDK for WinVista 18.25.46 # mine is the "MTP Porting Kit" 18.26.08 # I also tried that one I think, but either it was too hard to get it working or it just didn't work 18.26.31 # there are 2 versions of the API: xxx and WPD (can't remember xxx right now) 18.26.39 # WPD is the newer one, which works for me 18.26.43 # I never got the older one working 18.26.50 # (Windows Portable Devices) 18.26.55 # mcuelenaere: where can I read on what you used? and get the SDK? 18.27.11 # linuxstb: I didn't investigate licenses at all 18.27.25 Join Dman [0] (n=ddm@S010600145173dbc2.ok.shawcable.net) 18.27.53 Quit Dman ("Ex-Chat") 18.27.56 Join Dman [0] (n=ddm@S010600145173dbc2.ok.shawcable.net) 18.28.40 # I have "WpdApiSample.rar", which I don't remember where I got 18.28.56 # Nico_P: I think "http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E6E1C3DF-A74F-4207-8586-711EBE331CDC&displaylang=en" is the newer one, can't find the original link 18.29.13 # it could be WpdApiSample.rar 18.29.35 # yes, definitely "Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0\Samples\Multimedia\Wpd\WpdApiSample" 18.30.09 # "· Sample Code. You may modify, copy, and distribute the source and object code form of code marked as “sample.”" 18.30.24 # ok, then I'll look into it when I can get on a windows machine 18.31.06 # it is a lot of code (for just sending a file), but it works 18.31.38 # Nico_P: Have you used sansapatcher or ipodpatcher? 18.31.48 # no, never 18.33.18 # Because I was thinking of something similar for the S (and maybe ZVM)... It is a console app (cross-platform) that has the bootloader binaries embedded into the .exe. The user can double-click on the .exe, and is then prompted with something like "Press I to install, C to cancel", and then the bootloader is installed. 18.33.38 Part Dman ("Ex-Chat") 18.33.46 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 18.33.46 # why would you embed the binaries into the .exe? 18.34.00 # So it's easier for users - the bootloader rarely changes. 18.34.16 # (users who don't know how to use a command-prompt) 18.34.18 # hmm that's true, but atm the ZVM doesn't use the bootloader stage 18.34.28 # (not that it matters) 18.34.42 # But it can also any binary - just the default is to install the "internal" binary. 18.34.42 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.35.01 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.35.08 # OK, so it's probably not applicable to the ZVM. 18.35.26 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.35.34 # linuxstb: sounds good 18.35.35 # * mcuelenaere hates mIRC/my internet connection 18.36.32 # mcuelenaere: So you use MTP for sending the main Rockbox binary? 18.37.03 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.37.30 # linuxstb: yes, there's no other possibility currently (except for using the bootloader but this would be an unnecessary extra step) 18.38.01 # Am I right in thinking the ZVM isn't FAT32 formatted? 18.38.06 # yes you are :( 18.38.30 # which is a big disadvantage ie no dual booting 18.38.52 # as the OF uses its own custom file system (based on BFS) 18.38.55 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF73CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.39.17 # Do you know if all the Creative DAPs use that? 18.39.23 # yes, they do 18.39.28 # mcuelenaere: do you send the plugins and all, or just the main bin? 18.39.47 # Nico_P: the binary is sent through MTP; all the rest is in the FAT partition 18.39.55 # right 18.40.14 # So there's a Creative bootloader (in flash ROM?) that loads the main Rockbox binary directly? 18.40.16 # linuxstb: Creative is very conservative, they haven't changed a lot in their history of DAP's 18.40.20 # yes 18.40.24 # maybe if the FS format is simple enough, it could be added to rockbox and built only for creative devices 18.40.42 # I believe it is, and there's even someone who made a read-only driver but I can't find this guy 18.40.43 Quit SirFunk_ (SendQ exceeded) 18.41.03 # mcuelenaere: Most targets are like that - the bootloader is simple a cut-down Rockbox build that loads the main Rockbox binary from the FAT32 partition. The main reason is that it makes installing easier. 18.41.35 # there are 2 stages, BOOT and RESC; the first one the main boot loader and the second is a light-weight version of the main OF 18.41.40 # (including the rescue mode) 18.42.12 # I think in the future, there will have to be a bootloader (if the main FS needs to be FAT) 18.42.27 # then users could upload their files through USB on the partition and start Rockbox 18.42.41 # (and replace the bootloader by the rockbox binary) 18.44.14 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 18.46.04 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 18.46.07 Nick mcuelenaere is now known as mcuelenaere|away (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.46.07 # Sounds like a painful target though... 18.46.17 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 18.47.07 Part Lars_G 18.48.26 Quit K4rP4D (Remote closed the connection) 18.50.26 # linuxstb: I think any Creative targets (including the Dell DJ) are going to be like this. 18.50.58 # supporting their FS would probably be a good move, if it's feasible 18.50.59 # Best avoided then ;) 18.51.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 needs to take on another Dell DJ and get to work already! :) 18.56.38 # mcuelenaere|away: when you say BFS, I assume it's "Boot File System" and not "Be File System"? 18.56.46 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 18.56.58 Quit mcuelenaere|away (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.12 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 18.57.26 Join mcuelenaere|away [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-190-45.access.telenet.be) 18.57.28 Nick mcuelenaere|away is now known as mcuelenaere (n=mcuelena@78-21-190-45.access.telenet.be) 18.58.00 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.07 # mcuelenaere: here? 18.58.16 # Nico_P: yes, I just read the log 18.58.30 # I don't know what it's really called, let me check 18.59.00 # there was a driver in VSTa OS 18.59.07 # which was even called minifs 18.59.10 # well, BeFS is a modern journalling FS, so I guess it's not that 18.59.21 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@p5B311E6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.59.25 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.59.42 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.59.48 # it's definitely not BeFS 18.59.49 # It's BootFS. 18.59.55 # * mcuelenaere starts really hating mIRC 19.00.09 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.9) 19.00.09 # LambdaCalculus37: you're sure? got a link? 19.00.18 # http://martin.hinner.info/fs/bfs/ 19.00.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 found that link, too 19.00.54 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.01.33 # it could be based on that indeed 19.01.34 # from the ZVM Port wiki page: "The minifs file system is supposedly based on BFS (not BeFS) which was called minifs in earlier days (now it is in the VSTa OS) " 19.01.45 # yes, I wrote that 19.02.36 # I have some backups of forum posts at nomadness.net (which are now removed in the google cache), but I can't access them atm 19.02.43 # they have some pretty good information about the FS 19.03.18 # good that you made backups 19.03.22 # mcuelenaere: I've seen that the Dell DJ also uses BFS. 19.03.45 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.18 # LambdaCalculus37: yes I know, I believe all the DAP's from Creative (starting from the NOMAD's) do 19.04.53 # wow, this ext2 driver for windows works perfectly :) 19.06.26 # is there a way I can mount a file as a filesystem? 19.06.37 # Nico_P: in linux? yes 19.06.42 # how? 19.07.01 # try using a loop device 19.07.03 # losetup 19.07.07 Quit FOAD (Remote closed the connection) 19.07.55 # something like "losetup /dev/loop0 /file" 19.08.06 # then "mount -t [FS] /dev/loop0 /mnt/XXX" 19.08.10 # hmm there's no reason I have BFS support though 19.08.32 # if you're trying to mount the Creative FS, it won't work 19.08.39 # the structure doesn't apply to it 19.08.58 # alright 19.09.21 # but the guy at nomadness.net said the minifs partition works with some small modifications to the source 19.09.46 Quit Ebert () 19.10.09 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.10.22 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5ae607d4397a3152) 19.11.07 Join saratoga22 [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89b8135aca46f556) 19.11.30 Join dig1 [0] (n=dig@pool-70-22-94-141.balt.east.verizon.net) 19.11.47 # in ARM, if i want to save a register while stepping through a long buffer, is it ok to do a compare verses the buffer pointer? 19.11.47 # anybody here 19.11.49 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.11.58 # since i know the address it'll be at once the buffer is done processing 19.11.59 # ok reading 19.12.05 Quit FOAD (Client Quit) 19.12.08 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-220-26.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.12.28 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 19.13.26 # is it ok to ask a question regarding compiling? (might piss off some because it's a noob question) but nevertheless since i have time i can give back a lot to others 19.13.27 # for the ones who are interested: I put the backup links on the CreativeZVMPort wiki page 19.14.12 # dig1: as long as it is rockbox related, go ahead and just ask 19.14.18 # mcuelenaere: thanks :) 19.14.36 # is it possible (or am i a fool) to think that i can load the sourcecode into microsoft dev software? if so how? 19.14.48 # not possible 19.14.53 # dig1: Not possible at all. 19.14.59 # well, it wont compile 19.15.03 # what's it written in? C right 19.15.12 # C and assembler. 19.15.12 # you should read the wiki page on compiling 19.15.22 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.15.53 # For Windows, you can use Cygwin or coLinux to set up a build environment. 19.15.59 # is the assembler specific on a certain platform processor 19.16.10 # ARM and Coldfire 19.16.21 # The bulk of the source is C, though. 19.17.03 # and sh 19.17.05 # dig1: assembler is always cpu type specific..( so we have arm, coldfire and sh assembler code) :-) 19.18.17 # truly speaking, some of the stuff is pretty new because 1st i come from an ee background...second it's been at least 7 years since i programmed anything.. but the good thing is i have time 19.18.29 # thanks for the help 19.18.31 # Start here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide 19.19.08 # Read the linked pages there. 19.20.13 Quit dig1 () 19.21.36 Join moos [0] (n=c40cd988@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8bb97248a8611fa) 19.21.36 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.23.22 Quit moos (Client Quit) 19.23.26 Join moos [0] (n=c40cd988@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-779c45da813b8ae7) 19.26.00 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 19.26.07 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.27.55 Join dig1 [0] (n=dig@pool-70-22-94-141.balt.east.verizon.net) 19.29.41 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.30.08 # dig1: what player do you have? 19.35.43 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB38CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.36.27 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-159.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.36.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.37.16 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 19.37.21 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-159.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.44.50 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 19.45.19 # i have a stupid arm assembly question 19.46.01 Join nplus [0] (n=npl@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.46.05 # if i have a variable j and I want to load it inside an assembly block, can I just do "LDR R1, [j]"? 19.46.19 # assuming I've defined j to the assembly block and all that? 19.46.40 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 19.50.32 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.50.56 Join test [0] (n=ch4os@gen2.org) 19.51.15 Quit test (Client Quit) 19.51.21 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.54.14 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 19.54.29 # saratoga22: This may help - http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html 19.58.56 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.01.34 Quit moos ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.03.45 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549672E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.57 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF73CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.06.08 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.08.11 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 20.10.37 Quit MU{lappy} (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.10.38 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.11.22 Quit Horscht ("I am root. 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Or you to them? 20.52.18 # Isn't the main thing that's wrong with current FAAD its license? 20.52.24 # no they fixed that 20.52.27 # its plain GPL now 20.53.44 # * linuxstb looks at an m200v2 original firmware and sees a confusing mix of arm and thumb code... 20.53.58 # they confirmed my suspician that their FFT is horriblely slow :) 20.54.52 # Ah, didn't know that 20.54.59 # and also that the codec makes poor use of memory 20.55.06 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB38CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.55.07 # but thats less helpful 20.55.49 # So we could upgrade our copy to current FAAD? Or was that even done already?? 20.56.02 # amiconn: I am trying to make usb serial work with windows. In the past I manually installed a usbser.sys extracted from some service pack .cab file. In the meantime there were some fixes to usbser.sys, so I'm trying to make windows install the newest version in the proper way 20.56.24 # amiconn: I think preglow did some work to sync it, but never committed. 20.57.46 # we're a quite a bit behind on FAAD patches I think, they've been commiting a 1 or 2 a month now for a long time since we forked 20.58.12 # i should get on preglow's case to commit what he has 20.58.42 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 20.58.44 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 20.59.58 # Anyone know what "*panic* event line full" means? 21.00.00 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16751 21.00.20 # * LambdaCalculus37 never saw that error before 21.01.08 # * Llorean hasn't either. 21.01.24 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54966837.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.02.29 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 21.02.37 Quit carini (Client Quit) 21.02.39 # too many events registered? 21.03.10 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 21.03.10 # firmware/events.c line 55 21.03.19 Join Olop [0] (n=tac2@90.216.27.27) 21.03.36 Quit carini (Remote closed the connection) 21.03.37 # I think I saw some reports about the other case too, with events being unregistered that were already unregistered 21.03.50 # But this shouldn't happen unless there's a major bug 21.04.00 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 21.04.06 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-03273.home.otenet.gr) 21.04.21 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsh238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 21.04.29 # * amiconn has never seen that happen on any of his targets 21.05.18 # Evening all, just a quick question.. is there a problem with bookmarking on the latest release? I've installed it on my ipod mini and a partially sighted woman's ipod nano but I can't seem to bookmark podcasts... any ideas? 21.05.45 # Olop: Are you using database or the file browser? 21.05.58 # I added logging of the event id for the panic in remove_event some time ago, maybe we need it on the add_event too 21.06.15 # Llorean: database, is that why? 21.06.25 # Olop: Yes, bookmarking does not work with the database. 21.07.13 Quit simonrvn (Nick collision from services.) 21.07.13 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 21.08.03 # Llorean: Thanks so much, been wondering why for ages 21.08.26 # * gevaerts can't see how this event line full can ever happen at all 21.09.46 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 21.09.52 # I assume the file browser can't be used with iTunes? 21.10.08 # Olop: Not effectively, no. iTunes semi-randomly renames files. 21.10.11 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsh238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 21.10.32 # There are 7 add_event()s in the code, MAX_SYS_EVENTS is 10, and add_event() checks for duplicates 21.10.37 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.11.24 # gevaerts: Race condition, perhaps. On dual core, accessing the event array would probably need to be core locked 21.11.31 # Llorean: Typical, well thanks for the help, I've been wondering about that for ages 21.11.33 # gevaerts: So the most important question then is "is it really a clean SVN build"? 21.11.48 # Olop: It's possible one day bookmarks will work from the database. We'd all like them to, but it's not a simple solution. 21.11.51 # Not sure whether the event system is accessed from the COP at all though 21.12.05 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-211-170-4.asm.bellsouth.net) 21.12.21 # One other thing is that this c200 also loses sound settings. Filesystem corruption ? 21.12.50 # I've seen a lot of people report problems with targets losing settings. 21.13.03 # Not just c200, but a variety of them. 21.13.11 # Llorean: On ipods those reports are understandable 21.13.17 # Yes, and very often chkdsk/fsck solves this... 21.13.33 # amiconn: Oh? 21.13.41 # The hold switch clears settings 21.13.48 # amiconn: Ah, no, not like that. 21.14.07 # As in, the file is damaged somehow, but if they delete config.cfg manually, it starts saving settings properly again 21.14.16 # eh? 21.14.21 # Yes 21.14.46 # On what target(s)? 21.14.50 # I've seen quite a few cases of people reporting problems with their settings being saved, and either deleting config.cfg, or doing a file system check, has solved it. 21.14.56 # iPods and Sansa, afaik. 21.15.13 # Llorean: Well understandably not everything can be achieved. Must say Rockbox is fantastic and is really helping out my partially sighted friend. Thanks for your help Llorean :-) 21.15.23 # Possibly only 5G/5.5G iPod, but that's hard to say for sure, we certainly have a lot more users of it. 21.15.45 Join Sangue [0] (i=user@24-181-59-163.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) 21.15.49 # I've never experienced the problem myself, and I don't think anyone's reported it as recurring, so I've never been sure whether it's random corruption. 21.16.09 # I've never had issues with the settings resetting themselves on my iPod, unless I do it myself. 21.16.17 Quit Xerion (" ") 21.16.22 # But I've had a rising suspicion Rockbox might be causing corruption. Another "common" problem is the iPods OF refusing to work, iTunes demanding a restore, windows saying "no partition found", but Rockbox working fine. 21.16.27 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 21.16.39 # LambdaCalculus37: On ipod there's an easy way to accidentally reset settings (unless you're running an usb-enabled build) 21.17.18 # Sorry, those are three different symptoms (an iPod will typically have one of them), but they still work with Rockbox 21.17.29 # amiconn: Yes, one is to flick the hold switch on too late when you're attempting to boot to the OF. 21.17.33 # Just plug a powered off ipod (hold enabled) into usb... 21.17.43 # But I use a USB-enabled build on my iPod. 21.17.54 # No need to flick anything, just forgetting to un-hold before plugin 21.17.56 # amiconn: The problem these people have, though, is that they'll explicitly change settings, hold play/pause to power down, power back up, and it won't have been saved. 21.18.00 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.3.3 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 21.18.51 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.02 # Hmm, actually that would boot the OF... weird 21.19.14 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.20 # Somehow I managed to reset the settings this way once 21.19.31 # amiconn: Before the bootloader change perhaps? 21.19.35 # One example of settings problems is http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16422.msg122637#msg122637 21.19.38 # Back when only menu booted the OF? 21.19.49 # Llorean: That's possible 21.20.18 # gevaerts: Exactly. I've seen probably less than a dozen cases of the problem in that post, but they're all cases of the exact same problem where deleting the file or chkdsk /f have resolved it. 21.20.21 # amiconn: I reset the settings that way once too, but this was back when I first started using Rockbox (end of 2006). 21.20.27 # And just the fact that it's the "same" problem makes me suspicious 21.21.20 # But on the other hand, if rockbox _always_ crashes, it's normal that it doesn't save settings 21.21.51 # * gevaerts would suggest a chkdsk/fsck anyway. It can't harm 21.22.47 # I'm just going to jump in here and ask if someone can answer a question for me, maybe in private if necessary. 21.23.10 Join Lasse90 [0] (n=opera@89.10.21.12) 21.23.33 # Sangue: if it is rockbox related, just ask... 21.23.42 # Alright. 21.24.36 # Well, my ipod (4th gen) had an issue [a drunk friend dropped it] and the music "vanished" I put rockbox on and got them to show back up again, but now over half of them are no longer tagged and I have2-3 copies of some of the songs on there, whereas I only had one before. 21.24.54 # I haven't found any documentation on the site about these issues yet, so I figured I'd come here and ask while I was on irc. 21.25.21 # I'm thinking of buying a sansa E280 but of course i don't want the v2. What are the chances of getting one? I'm buying it in Norway if it matters 21.25.38 # Sangue: did you check the disk for errors with something like checkdisk ? 21.25.56 # Lasse90: Buying a new Sansa will almost certainly get you a v2. eBay is your best bet for a v1. 21.26.27 # domonoky: It's fine. 21.26.27 # Ok. Thanks. 21.27.11 # When did they start making V2? Maybe i can ask for a older model if they have it 21.27.18 # I can deal with untagged music if I have to, but I just wanted to see how I could get rid of the extra songs. >: 21.27.36 # Lasse90: Since fall of 2007. 21.27.39 # of course, none of them show up in itunes anymore, so i can't delete them that way... 21.27.52 # Sangue: did you maybe let checkdisk repair the filesystem earlier ? Maybe it was messed up enough for the repair to not be really effective 21.28.02 # Lasse90: Also, stores will just give you whatever they have in stock. That's why I suggested eBay. 21.28.05 # Sangue: you could make a playlist of all music, save it, and check the paths for where the dublicates hide.. :-) 21.28.15 # Sangue: you may be best off deleting the songs, and just copying them over using the filetree so you can manage them more directly. 21.28.41 # That's just it, I don't see how to delete the songs. 21.28.52 # Yes. But it shouldn't be a problem to return it and get my money back anyways. But i'll guess it safest for me to get a used one 21.29.03 # Sangue: Do you want to get rid of all your songs and everything? 21.29.05 # I spent a while looking over the site and the software on the ipod itself. :> 21.29.07 # Sangue: They're all in the iPod_Control folder. 21.29.17 # Sangue: they are on you ipod, in the ipodControl folder, with strange names... 21.29.19 # Well, not all of the songs, just the duplicates, BigBambi. 21.29.40 # And still have them work with the OF? 21.29.44 # Lasse90: That's your best bet. 21.29.53 # * gevaerts wonders if th irc police will allow suggesting formatting the data partition 21.30.03 # gevaerts: Not as a first resort! 21.30.28 # I would recommend a chkdsk first. 21.30.40 # Lasse90: Oh yes, one more thing... when you go on eBay to look for one, ask the seller to read you the firmware revision on the Sansa. If the firmware starts with 01.XX.XX, it's a v1. If it's 03.XX.XX, move onward; that's a v2. 21.30.41 # I thought he said he already did a chkdsk 21.31.49 # Ok, thanks for your help :) 21.32.02 # If it finds more than just a few simple errors, then I would reformat the data partition and put the music back on. 21.32.19 # Sangue: IT sounds like the itunes database is corrupt. AFAIK, to get that back you'll need to wipe it with an iTunes restore or similar then re-add them. If you only want to use Rockbox, you could use a mass tagging program to rename all your files from their tags then delete the ones you don't want 21.32.38 # Otherwise I'd use a mass tagger for sorting, moving and renaming the existing music 21.32.41 Join atrus [0] (n=atrus@d198-166-253-216.abhsia.telus.net) 21.33.08 # But if you have them all on your PC it may be easier to just wipe it and start again 21.33.23 # * gevaerts looks sternly at BigBambi 21.33.33 # i don't. the computer the mp3s were on died completely. 21.33.37 # (n.b. after a iTunes restore you would need to reinstall the rockbox bootloader, a format would avoid this) 21.33.48 # gevaerts: I suggested an alternative first :) 21.34.09 # Sangue: So I would use a Mass Tagger to rename the files, rescue the ones you want, then sort out the iPod 21.34.25 # Sangue: if you have a computer with enough space, I'd first make a full backup 21.35.12 # BigBambi: Only the bootloader? I thought the ipod updater formats the whole disk. But maybe it only does that on demand 21.35.26 # amiconn: Er, don't know :) 21.35.35 # amiconn: It probably does :) 21.35.40 # Alright. 21.35.59 # * gevaerts would be very suspicious about duplicate files and other files that lost their tags. Quite possibly the rest of the file contents got mixed up as well 21.36.10 # aye 21.36.12 # oh, hey. maraz is in here. small world. 21.36.12 Join webguest26 [0] (n=51ece298@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0f074f534b0a0240) 21.36.26 # I dropped my H140 a couple of years back, completely killed the disk 21.36.33 # I'm not sure. I only used it twice; once for getting rid of a non-working ipl installation, and a second time to convert a 1st Gen from HFS to FAT 21.36.42 # That was depressing :/ 21.36.53 # amiconn: I've never used it, but it makes sense that it would 21.36.54 # my other issues is that i don't have a wall-charger anymore. :> 21.36.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.37.18 # factory reset always wants the charger. :/ 21.37.41 # but i'm picking through the control folder at the moment 21.37.44 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 21.37.59 Quit atrus () 21.37.59 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.39.07 # i'll just back up things and try your suggestions before i resort to resetting 21.39.18 # Yep 21.42.11 Join atrus [0] (n=atrus@d198-166-253-216.abhsia.telus.net) 21.42.39 # jeez, 109 minutes. 21.43.04 # If you feel lucky you can skip the backup, but I wouldn't... 21.43.11 # * Sangue puts on her boxing gloves and prepares for battle with the ipod..after a quick late lunch. 21.43.16 # Nah, I plan to bakcup. 21.43.19 # I always back things up. 21.43.28 # a good plan 21.43.52 Quit Synergy6 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.43.59 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3ff42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5e14791318dfdf0c) 21.44.01 # Now, I shall lurk and leave you guys to..whatever, while I fight this. 21.44.47 # n1s: hello. 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Not that I really urgently needed it but just as a programming axercise. 21.45.06 # *thoughts, *exercise 21.45.08 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 21.47.02 Quit atrus (Client Quit) 21.47.04 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 21.48.56 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A9783B.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.50.00 Quit AndyI (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.05 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 21.50.29 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 21.50.48 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 21.51.00 Part homielowe 21.52.41 # gevaerts: sorry to ask again, but we can only use endpoints 00, 01, 81, 02 and 82 right? 21.52.59 # on portalplayer, yes 21.56.45 Quit marqck (Remote closed the connection) 21.57.14 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 21.58.20 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 21.59.11 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-024-163-032-204.nc.res.rr.com) 22.04.28 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.04.58 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.06.38 Join Av3 [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 22.07.57 Join davina^ [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.08.27 Join Synergy6 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 22.09.26 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.14.22 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.15.09 Quit davina (Nick collision from services.) 22.15.14 Quit Ave (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.14 Nick Av3 is now known as Ave (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 22.15.30 Nick davina^ is now known as davina (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.20.25 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.22.18 # fml: I still inted to look at it, just that I'm slightly drunk at the moment and would rather not commit anything :) 22.22.32 # s/inted/intend/ 22.23.00 # ballmer's peak! :) 22.25.40 # gevaerts: I'm experimenting a bit with the USB descriptor for usb serial now on a USB microcontroller board. The simplest descriptor that still works with windows still needs 3 endpoints... 22.26.49 # I'll try a fake interrupt endpoint 22.27.13 Quit MU{lappy} (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.29.06 Join MU{lappy} [0] (n=Militant@pool-72-70-183-80.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 22.31.10 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 22.31.29 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.34.02 Join perrikwp [0] (i=9821738c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b417f5f699b20c0d) 22.35.42 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.39.19 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 22.43.10 # weird, there is a line in usb_serial.c that ends in a ' instead of a ; 22.43.20 # , I mean 22.43.23 # * gevaerts looks 22.43.28 Nick miepchen^schlaf_ is now known as miepchen^schlaf (n=miepchen@p54BF73CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.48.21 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.48.55 # * gevaerts increases his commit count 22.49.05 # * preglow increases his commit dance count 22.49.59 # * DerPapst increases 'svn up' count 22.50.28 # * Bagder increases in general 22.51.03 # * bertrik crosses fingers 22.51.47 # ugh 22.52.05 # * shotofadds thinks you guys are just looking for things to fix to make the table more green :p 22.53.29 # ..he says, while committing a rather tiny change 22.53.41 # * gevaerts reads http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16751.msg124602#msg124602 and decides that this is not his type of bug 22.55.30 # this is going to be a stupid question, most likely...but does rockbox not allow playing over the computer in a player at all? 22.56.00 # Sangue: I'm not sure what you mean 22.56.39 # Sangue: If you mean using the DAP as an external hard disk, sur 22.56.40 # e 22.56.42 # such as, plugging the ipod into the computer and playing through itunes or some other plater 22.56.47 # ah, alright 22.56.50 # thanks BigBambi 22.56.54 # So long as you copied the music on in a sane way 22.57.05 # :> 22.57.05 # i.e. not suing itunes or something like that 22.57.11 # s/suing/using 22.57.17 # Don't sue itunes either! 22.57.27 # someone should :> 22.57.30 # * Sangue coughs 22.58.05 # urgh. 22.58.12 # note to self: hot philly cheese is hot 22.58.39 # gevaerts: That is a very strange recipe... reshuffle three times? Reduce the volume by 1? 22.58.45 # * Llorean wonders if you also must stand on your head while doing all this. 22.58.54 # Or set the volume to -1? 22.59.21 # BigBambi: Good question. 22.59.23 # Llorean: You must also be turning anti clockwise whilst rubbing your stomach 22.59.23 # Might as well ask. 23.00.29 # * Llorean cringes looking at the EQ settings the person is using. 23.00.51 # * gevaerts looks for his c250 to try to reproduce this 23.01.03 # But I can't imagine being a basshead is likely to drag up obscure error messages. 23.01.20 Quit Olop (Remote closed the connection) 23.01.28 # "very important change vol -1" 23.01.58 # * Nico_P is really puzzled 23.02.24 # gevaerts: these typos don't affect anything, do they? 23.03.09 # preglow: unless I really forgot all I know about C they don't 23.03.36 # no, that's what i think as well 23.03.59 # * n1s wonders why VCAMEN is set on the beast... 23.04.16 # * n1s also tries to find the camera 23.04.55 # if I just updated the main firmware (not the plugins/codecs), is it possible to install just the main binary instead of making a zip and extracting it? 23.05.01 # hidden in the headphone socket maybe? :) 23.05.19 # bertrik: yes 23.05.25 # can I just copy the rockbox.mi4 to the .rockbox dir on the device? 23.05.47 # yes 23.07.55 # gevaerts: Well, the problem is "solved." Sadly this just means that it's likely now that we'll never figure out what caused it. =/ 23.08.35 # * gevaerts stops reproducing 23.08.57 # Llorean: I still guess something with the filesystem 23.10.28 # Possibly. 23.12.12 # How well does Rockbox handle corrupted, cleared nvram? 23.12.50 # not at all related to the current discussion btw 23.14.14 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.52 Part Lasse90 23.15.18 # "to recover from an error, the PMC will restart and remove all media items." 23.15.21 # * gevaerts unfairly got 40 points 23.15.55 # Nico_P: the notorious reformat error :) 23.16.16 # yes, and I'm not liking it, given how long it took to put my music collection on the beast 23.16.35 # and those 40 points ruined many green builds in a row... 23.16.37 # I think I'll just prevent it from doing it, at least for now 23.16.58 # I've had to fix my FAT 3 times with fsck already, so it seems something isn't really right 23.17.37 # * scorche|sh checks the pool for who had 9 builds 23.17.53 Part Ebert 23.17.54 # shame...doesnt look like anyone bet 9 builds would be the breaker :) 23.18.27 # gevaerts: you managed to segfault gcc! that must've been horribly wrong syntax :) 23.18.32 Join Synergy66 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 23.18.51 Quit Synergy6 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.19.24 # Nico_P: even in a bit of code totally unrelated to my changes ! 23.20.05 # crap, I allowed my beast to proceed with the wiping out of all my data :( 23.20.19 # D: 23.20.23 Join Absnthe [0] (n=Christop@ool-43561407.dyn.optonline.net) 23.20.50 # the rockbox BL is still there but freezes after "disk init done" 23.21.29 # So, IIRC, you can't resize the 'beast's firmware partition, correct? 23.21.54 # no. I think linuxstb was the one who tried it 23.22.08 # You can remove everything from the device except for nk.bin (everything from both partitions), but you can't resize the firmware partition? 23.22.23 # Yah, that's what I thought (about linuxstb trying it). 23.22.33 # That's annoying. 23.22.39 # Mouser_X: should be in yesterday's log 23.22.47 # how big is the system partition? 23.23.00 # I thought it was around 200 MB. 23.23.09 Quit lee-qid_ ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.23.10 # (Pretty big, IMO.) 23.23.29 # 150. 23.23.43 # (I have it hooked up right now.) 23.24.08 Quit amiconn (" reboot") 23.24.19 # 25-50 MB is more than enough space... Too bad it breaks the OF. 23.24.33 # Nico_P: did the disk speed improvement help usb transfer speed? 23.24.37 Quit Synergy66 ("Adios") 23.24.46 # What about renaming the partitions? "TFAT" isn't very helpful. 23.24.54 # (Did anyone try that yet?) 23.24.57 # n1s: I didn't try out, but I guess I will no 23.25.02 # s/no/now 23.25.15 # tfat? that's the same name the zune uses 23.25.25 # Interesting. 23.25.42 # Bagder: is ist win ce based too? 23.25.46 # yes it is 23.26.00 # both partitions are called that 23.28.08 # * Nico_P is thinking about an iconview and how it could be used for AA, but wonders where all the thumbnails would be stored 23.28.35 # (I mean in memory) 23.31.26 # Nico_P: I suppose the album art would be used for the folders or something? 23.31.51 # Llorean: something like that 23.32.19 # it would be pretty neat IMHO, and I think an iconview is going to be required for touchscreen targets 23.32.29 Quit bertrik ("rebooting") 23.32.39 # Not necessarily required, but it'd make UI navigation much more comfortable. 23.36.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.37.48 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 23.38.22 # great, linux barfed on my USB descriptor 23.38.22 # Mouser_X: I tried resizing the first partition to about 1MB, and it didn't like it. Although thinking about it again, maybe I didn't remember to format both partitions.... 23.39.08 # Mouser_X: But it seems (so far...) to be quite brick-proof. Recovery mode always seems to kick in... 23.40.05 # Yes. That's good. But I really don't want to have to put the OF back on there... The tools for Windows users are lacking. 23.40.11 # linuxstb: So it's possible we'll be stuck with a giant partition until such time as we can load our own code into flash (if ever)? 23.40.27 # (This is why I'm sticking with Rockbox. UMS mode makes life so much better.) 23.40.31 # Llorean: I need to try it again... 23.41.04 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.41.36 # Well another option is just to actually make use of that partition by installing the build to it as well, though that makes it impossible for people to browse into the .rockbox folder from within Rockbox. 23.42.04 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.08 # * gevaerts suggests to use it for a disk-backed paging malloc 23.43.17 # * gevaerts quickly runs away 23.45.23 # we did get a request for a paging file :D 23.45.33 # * preglow increments his good idea dance count 23.47.08 # * n1s misses the dancing that used to go on in here ;) 23.47.41 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.47.53 # n1s: we're saving up for devcon! ;-P 23.49.51 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 23.53.15 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 23.53.25 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.56.03 # n1s: wow unzipping the build is superfast now 23.58.11 # Mouser_X: Renaming the partitions works fine... 23.58.30 # Awesome