--- Log for 09.05.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.33 Join moos [0] (n=c40cd995@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ba0048d118b3e3ba) 00.01.00 Quit petur ("*plop*") 00.05.35 # * bertrik is testing battery charging for e200 00.07.03 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.11.10 # bertrik: what voltage does the "view battery" screen give you now when you have it attached to USB? 00.11.54 # 4.098-4.104 00.12.50 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 00.12.51 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-204-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.13.03 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-204-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.14.05 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 00.14.31 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 00.14.40 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 00.14.43 # austriancoder: you seen that your treble/bass commit still causes trouble? 00.15.26 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2507.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.15.36 # but now sleep 00.15.53 # bertrik: seems saner than what I get after a short while - voltage suddenly rises to over 4,5V (with a non-USB build) 00.16.10 # and going up... 00.16.50 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-0-218-198.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 00.18.06 # I'd pull it right now 00.18.48 # pixelma: I changed the ADC channel used for sampling the battery voltage. There are two ADC channels that show almost exactly the same while not charging. One of them goes way up when the charger is inserted, the other stays mostly the same. 00.19.01 Join atrus [0] (n=atrus@d198-166-253-216.abhsia.telus.net) 00.19.36 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.20.04 # jhMikeS: I know, don't trust it myself but this has been reported on other targets (both Sansa series IIRC) so that I think that Rockbox just reads a wrong voltage somewhere 00.20.04 # one is probably the charger voltage and the other the actual battery voltage 00.20.24 # Bagder: nope.. i will contact an target owner to fix this issue 00.20.43 # I have a new patch to review: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138 -> last comment 00.20.45 # bertrik: sounds good 00.20.57 # ADC_BVDD is the one that goes way up, ADC_RTCSUP stays more stable but does eventually go up to exactly the voltage configured in the charger 00.21.13 # 4.5V to the battery will damage it or even trip the protection for good so I'm pretty sure that would have to be the charger input 00.22.07 # austriancoder: there is a thread in the forums of a m:robe100 owner who asked if others have the problem too 00.22.29 # There is a very simple patch in the tracker to test this. I'm now working on a better version of the patch that also checks the end-of-charge bit in the charger. 00.23.04 Join LambdaCalculus3 [0] (n=1800dac6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d94b0a3aa38ef21) 00.23.08 # pixelma: i will check it 00.23.26 # My charger settings are now V=4.1V and I=C/3 (750/3=250 mA), I think this should be safe 00.23.28 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 00.24.07 # There is a thread on the forum with some measurements that seems to suggest that the OF is actually much more aggressive with charge current and charge voltage 00.24.14 Quit midgey_ () 00.24.47 # actually, I have a proper lithium ion chargin algorthm I found from panasonic - how to perform each stage and I plan on implementing that on the S 00.26.34 # I'm using the rockbox "CHARGING_MONITOR" charging configuration, which means mostly hardware controlled with software monitoring of the progress IIUC 00.27.09 # I'm adding some extra bits of functionality to disktidy. I'll post a patch once I'm done. 00.27.23 # once the charger indicates "end-of-charge" I disable the charger. To charge again, the sansa needs to be powercycled, is that a big problem? 00.27.31 # pixelma: do you have the link by hand? 00.27.59 # * bertrik is waiting for the charger to indicate end-of-charge to test some code .... 00.28.17 # austriancoder: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16719.msg124406#msg124406 00.28.18 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 00.29.49 # gigabeat S has a current sense for charging so that algorithm really isn't sufficient for it since you can monitor during the constant voltage phase and stop at 10% of capacity 00.29.56 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.31.41 # jhMikeS: what end voltage would you use? 00.32.06 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 00.32.50 Quit gevaerts ("sunrise approaches") 00.33.40 # 4.2V normally 00.33.41 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.36.25 # do i need something special to use DEBUGF like for LOGF? 00.37.16 Nick LambdaCalculus3 is now known as LambdaCalculus37 (n=1800dac6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d94b0a3aa38ef21) 00.38.31 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 00.40.28 # * LambdaCalculus37 has now added "Desktop.ini" files from Windows to disktidy 00.41.33 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.42.58 # I think disktidy can be made simpler and more elegant than it currently is, for example using a table of files to delete rather than writing it out in code 00.43.28 # bertrik: There's a patch in Flyspray for that. 00.44.02 # FS #8637 00.44.44 # But the problem is that it ended up turning into a viewer-style plugin. 00.47.35 # * LambdaCalculus37 sees all green with disktidy 00.47.37 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.47.50 # hmm, feature creep? 00.50.04 # bertrik: I'm going to try to sync the original version of FS#8637 to the current SVN. 00.52.40 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.57.56 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 01.00.29 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to have some dinner 01.07.33 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.08.12 # if you don't want the viewer style start with version 5.1 or modify JdGordon's version 01.08.27 # * DerPapst wonders if JdGordon forgot about disktidy.... 01.10.36 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.11.03 # FS #7138 last comment.. please review patch 01.12.42 # FS #8975... small disktidy patch with manual update. 01.14.21 Quit austriancoder (Remote closed the connection) 01.15.51 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.20 Quit roolku () 01.17.02 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.08 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes back to poke around at FS #8637 01.22.21 # Hmmm... 01.22.55 # DerPapst: You know what? I think v5.1 of FS #8637 is a much more logical choice. 01.23.39 # Honestly, adding files and folders one or two at a time is rather tedious and is starting to bloat the code. 01.24.44 Quit moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.26.47 # maybe... but i think rockbox' config parser should be used for that 01.27.47 # DerPapst: Exactly. 01.28.12 # It allows for far more flexibility than my creeping stuff in can. 01.29.03 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033A20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.29.57 # Yay :D 01.30.11 # Disk: 29.8GB Free: 29.5GB 01.30.39 # * amiconn now only needs to put everything back together properly 01.30.53 # amiconn: What were you just doing? 01.31.14 # iPod mini G2 CF mod 01.31.15 # Mini CF mod 01.31.21 # * pixelma too slow 01.32.15 # amiconn: how much did the adapter and the memory cost? 01.32.25 # No adapter necessary... 01.32.33 # nice 01.32.39 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 01.32.55 # The card (32GB Trancend) was 131EUR (amazon.de marketplace, including shipment) 01.32.59 # amiconn: Nice! 01.33.14 Join jmworx [0] (n=jmworx@panoramix.CeNTIE.NET.au) 01.33.55 # * pixelma curses LaTeX... 01.34.17 # Writing small blocks is somewhat slow, but that's expected 01.34.37 # For large blocks, the card is faster than the old microdrive 01.35.18 # (interestingly it's twice as fast for writing compared to reading 1MB blocks) 01.36.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.37.20 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008050509]") 01.37.20 # * LambdaCalculus37 curses LaTeX along with pixelma 01.37.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.39.32 # * LambdaCalculus37 tries hard to get the Gigabeat S manual together but is still missing some key pieces 01.41.21 # amiconn: does the OF still work? 01.43.06 # * pixelma just wanted to add missing key pad macros (and fix a wrong spelling) to the lamp.tex button table 01.44.28 # this makes the "quit" button show up correctly but then the "toggle colours" line just vanishes in all colour target manuals even those which are not affected by my 2-liner. It builds correctly though 01.46.37 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.46.56 # I did not change anything in the \opt{lcd_color}{} part 01.47.37 # pixelma: Want to take a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m723913b4 01.47.44 # Tell me how it looks so far. 01.48.18 # Any audiophiles in here who would like to test a next-gen Xiph audio codec? 01.49.04 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279532959.dsl.bell.ca) 01.49.49 # LambdaCalculus37: first reaction "this reminds me of the still missing 'describe player for the blind' paragraph in the c200 manual - Febs started and posted a patch to the tracker but didn't finish... 01.50.07 # cool you also took care of this for the beast 01.54.20 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.54.40 # wow 01.55.05 # * amiconn actually needed to squeeze some material between the CF card and the back of the case 01.55.48 # Otherwise the wheel would be loose, and more importantly, the connector would not fit into the hole of the bottom cover 01.56.22 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.57.34 # Emergency diskmode is workind 01.57.37 # *working 01.58.50 # OF is also working as far as I can tell 01.59.05 # Also reports proper capacity 01.59.50 # pixelma: What? You're kidding! What's the patch? 02.01.33 # amiconn: coolio. apple did a good job at this. 02.02.11 # amiconn: Yeah, I heard about that. The original mod described using a business card folded once as padding. 02.02.37 Part Absnthe|away ("Leaving") 02.02.53 # * amiconn also used some folded cardboard 02.03.18 # LambdaCalculus37: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8658 , just realised that this is in a state I *might* be able to work on because it already explains the thing I had trouble with (the button "square (?)" or so) quite well 02.05.47 # was unable (as a non-native speaker) to describe that in a short but accurate way 02.07.45 Join B1b3r [0] (n=bhhi@p57B83C2E.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.07.51 # pixelma: Yes, it's described very well. 02.08.13 # This still needs a *lot* of work, but it's a start: http://pastebin.com/m4923cc89 02.08.39 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 02.09.02 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 02.09.33 # hi , is there a way to get some games on my sansa e250 v2 ? thx 02.09.57 # No, there isn't. Rockbox doesn't work on the v2 Sansas. 02.10.17 # oh :/ 02.10.42 # :/ 02.11.17 # so the only thing on my sansa i can upgrade is the firmware ? :D 02.11.23 # jhMikeS: ping 02.11.52 # B1b3r, if you want rockbox, you need a v1 not a v2 02.11.53 # And the capacity. 02.12.20 # yeh looks like 02.12.56 # LambdaCalculus37: nice, the only thing that worries me a bit (and made me check) is that gigabeatf and gigabeats look so similar because the only difference is the last letter after a few more (m5, x5 is better manageable) - had to look twice. 02.13.28 # pixelma: It still needs a lot of work, though. I especially have to change the keymap to the S keymap. 02.13.35 # is there a rockbox port in work for v2s ? 02.13.53 # * amiconn votes for renaming gigabeats to gigabeast ;) 02.14.08 # * LambdaCalculus37 seconds that vote ;) 02.14.21 # * DerPapst thirds it :-) 02.14.32 # maybe that makes it easier to distinguish... :) 02.14.38 # yup 02.15.31 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-235-227-235.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 02.15.47 # Anyone have any objections to renaming the tags in the Gigabeat S manual from gigabeats to gigabeast? 02.18.52 # I think you can replace them easily, no matter what you call them now if used consistently... 02.20.06 # * Llorean thinks we should keep humor out of the tag naming, just to be "safe" 02.21.22 # who cares? it's just the manual contributors anyway and if it helps them.... 02.21.28 Quit blo0dy ("changing servers") 02.21.38 Join blo0dy [0] (i=chainsaw@i.will.tell.u.some.hotstories.de) 02.26.47 # amiconn: does r17426 mean FS#8260 is fixed? 02.27.58 # uhm, didn't even know there was a flyspray report 02.28.18 # The original report sounds exactly like what I was experiencing, and it's fixed now 02.28.56 # amiconn: it was also traced to r15444, which is when you added the sleep(HZ/50) 02.29.06 # I'll close it as fixed 02.29.29 # More importantly, it was when I added disk poweroff for PP502x targets 02.29.37 # yes 02.29.38 # (ipods, actually) 02.29.50 # I couldn't remember the "name" of the feature :) 02.30.15 # The HZ/50 were just a safety measure which turned out to be not safe enough 02.30.23 # I was unsure about whether it fixed the issue reported in FS#8260 because you didn't mention the 5.5G in your commit 02.30.37 # did you speak with jhMikeS about it? 02.31.05 # Some comments seem to be unrelated though (e.g. the first one - sansa e280 isn't hdd based) 02.31.14 # Llorean: Would gigbeat-s be ok? 02.31.51 # Nico_P: You could of course test on G5.5, with th especial kludge disabled, although I doubt that it's the same problem 02.32.08 # The mini even showed this dropout which the kludge enabled 02.33.14 # * amiconn still doesn't understand why he didn't notice it earlier 02.33.20 # I never had that problem on the 5.5G, but IIRC GodEater had it. I will try but I'm almost sure the issue is unrelated, as you said 02.33.35 # Nico_P: What problem was this? 02.33.39 # Just curious. 02.34.02 # LambdaCalculus37: FS#8260, audio dropouts 02.34.41 # Nico_P: Ahh. 02.35.13 # The strange thing is that my other PP502x target (H10, PP5020) was totally unaffected. It might be a PP5022 specific bug 02.36.00 # Then it would also apply to G5 and G5.5 02.36.14 # Yep. 02.36.46 # LambdaCalculus37: if I was you I would probably stick to "gigabeats" for now because that's what you're used to. We can still decide on a rename later, as I said if it's used consistently you could replace it quite easily I guess 02.37.24 # pixelma: "gigabeats" it is. 02.37.29 # amiconn: it was definitely reported on the 5.5G at leasr 02.37.30 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@dsl-202-45-99-250.ACT.netspace.net.au) 02.37.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 fixes up all instances of "gigabeast" on the manual 02.37.55 # amiconn: I think you're going to have a few more fans for fixing that one :) 02.37.56 # * pixelma sleeps 02.38.04 # good night :-) 02.38.09 # We'll see 02.38.09 # Good night! 02.39.03 Quit pixelma (" night all") 02.40.18 Quit B1b3r ("*** other UT3 pickups/gathers can be found in #UT3 #UT3.iCTF #UT3.iTDM #UT3.TDM #UT3.CTF & #UT3.TAM ***") 02.40.21 # Nico_P: Some Gigabeast manual work; can you check the highlighted spot and tell me if the buttons sound right? http://pastebin.com/db562430 02.41.37 # the names sound right, yeah 02.43.06 # Now I've got to change all of the keymaps from the F keys to the S keys. 02.47.18 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.47.29 # * Nico_P goes to bed 02.47.43 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.48.56 # * LambdaCalculus37 is going to go relax for a while 02.49.24 # new H340 turned up today!!! 02.49.35 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 02.51.03 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-171-53.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.52.01 Quit homielowe () 02.53.29 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 02.53.30 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 03.03.49 Join Romanian [0] (n=mihai@c-76-115-184-61.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.04.06 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-71-203-172-58.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.04.07 # Hiya all 03.04.12 # Anyone here have the Zune? 03.04.22 # I can't seem to get rockbox to play any videos. 03.04.43 # I am transcoding with vlc, like 512kb mpeg2 PS, I tried both audio as mpeg audio and mp3 128k. 03.05.14 # One it just shows a black screen, the other it shows an initial screen but nothing after that, then after that it fills with colored static and is frozen 03.05.20 # RoC_MasterMind: 03.05.23 # download WinFF 03.06.27 # my friend has a zune 03.06.27 # RoC_MasterMind: Which music player do you have? 03.06.33 # toshiba gigabeat f40 03.06.35 # And what is your operating system? 03.06.44 # same price as ipod 4th gen but color screen and 2x bigger hard drive 03.06.53 # rockbox is on the gigabeat, my friends zune is original OS 03.07.01 # I mean your computer 03.07.07 # Ubuntu 7.10. 03.07.15 # ah, nice :) 03.07.24 # http://winff.googlecode.com/files/winff-0.291-i386.deb 03.07.26 # download that 03.07.36 # and then replace the presets.xml list with.... 03.07.45 # they removed xmms in 8.04 and audacity wastes playlist space with whitespace and has lag 03.07.52 # Romanian: Why recommend an outdated version? 03.07.58 # 0.41 comes with Rockbox presets built in. 03.08.06 # I think i might be able to install it from my own repo, but I'll sitck with 7.10 for now on my dekstop 03.08.11 # I got hte latest version installing right now of winff 03.08.22 # Llorean: Does it? I wasn't aware. 03.08.28 # RoC_MasterMind: xmms /audacity /etc is irrelevant here. 03.08.41 # duh 03.08.49 # I've been away from RockBox/computers for a while 03.08.53 # RoC_MasterMind: My point is, this is an on-topic channel. 03.09.04 # Ahh...it wasn't for a minute there. 03.09.21 # Llorean: Do I know you from a different IRC channel? 03.09.25 # No. 03.09.33 # Okay. 03.11.43 # dang...winff looks cool but ffmpeg gives me error when I goto convert: http://pastebin.ca/1012249 03.12.22 # RoC_MasterMind: This is most likely because the ubuntu version of it comes without an MP3 encoder. 03.12.41 # I wonder what that package is 03.12.50 # RoC_MasterMind: sudo apt-get install lame 03.12.56 # That won't fix the problem. 03.12.57 # that's the MP3 encoder 03.13.06 # ffmpeg has to be compiled with it in. 03.13.06 # but I don't know if it'll work with WinFF 03.13.15 # lame is already installed 03.13.28 # hmm 03.13.30 # that's LAME 03.13.30 # You'll need to compile your own build of ffmpeg to get mp3 support in it. 03.14.25 # if I knew the right options I'm sure VLC could do it 03.14.44 # WHat's wrong with 512kb mpeg2 PS, I tried both audio as mpeg audio and mp3 128k. 03.14.46 # Well the PluginMpegplayer wiki page tells the requirements for a file to play in Rockbox. 03.14.51 # yeah yeah 03.14.55 # I've tried it like four times 03.15.06 # Llorean: do you know anything about the A3/ 03.15.32 # RoC_MasterMind: There's a sample command line for VLC even, are you using that? 03.15.36 # Romanian: No. 03.15.41 # let me find that 03.16.42 Part Romanian 03.19.58 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=notroot@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 03.24.09 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 03.24.20 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23D63F.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.25.32 # flyspray is still yelling at me Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967 03.31.13 Quit Shaid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.37.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.39.45 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.41.31 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.50.16 Join yeal` [0] (i=yeal@pool-71-103-113-204.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.50.17 # hi 03.50.17 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 03.50.38 # what program do you guys use to convert flv/youtube to mpeg 4 video? 03.51.11 # stay on topic please 03.52.42 Join Overand [0] (i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand) 03.53.25 # I have a build from mid to late 2007 running on my iPod 5g, 60G - will I need to update the bootloader or anything weird? 03.53.28 # this is for ipod 03.53.31 # I've updated the bootloader once. 03.53.36 # yeal`: Rockbox does not play mpeg 4. 03.53.55 # Overand: You shouldn't need to, I think. 03.54.11 # rockbox has mpeg playback 03.54.23 # mpeg-1 and mpeg-2. 03.54.45 # Llorean: I've been holding off on updating because this version has been nearly flawless, and i'd gone to builds before that weren't as stable 03.54.57 # if i don't need to make a bootloader change i may just back up the old install though 03.55.06 # Backing up the old install is never a bad idea. 03.55.26 # i remember there was a change that required a booloader update 03.55.36 # i think it was when another core got enabled or somesuch 03.55.40 # Yes. 03.56.00 # The bootloader for that dates to early '07, if I recall. 03.56.02 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.56.10 # probably 03.56.11 # heh 03.56.46 # what program do you guys use to convert flv/youtube to mpeg 2 video? 03.57.10 # yeal`: the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki suggests several ones that work really well. 03.58.38 # it has mpeg2 support now? 03.58.50 # Overand: The video player has always been mpeg-1/2 03.58.54 # or did it always - ithought it only did 1 03.58.55 # weird 03.59.16 # People often misrepresent it. There's a real problem with people spreading bad information, unfortunately. They just don't read the documentation. 03.59.36 # I assume that the 'tv-out' chip han't been figuredo ut yet 03.59.57 # do all of you use an ipod for rockbox? 04.00.00 # Very little is done with the specialty hardware in the iPod 5G in Rockbox. It's really currently the worst target to play video on, really. 04.00.17 # Llorean: Yeah - but I'm not hugely interested in it for video 04.00.23 # * Overand has an eeepc 04.00.34 Join keanu [0] (n=keanu@unaffiliated/keanu) 04.00.39 # I carry that nearly everywhere I carry my iPod that would be a place i'd potentially want video 04.00.43 # do you use linux or windows on your eeepc 04.00.48 # yeal`: xubuntu 04.00.49 # yeal`: offtopic.. 04.00.53 # g'point 04.01.03 # yeal`: see topic, join 04.01.26 # what is the current topic? 04.01.42 # yeal`: Rockbox. 04.01.44 # oh 04.01.48 # we have a fixed topic now? 04.01.55 # There's always been a fixed topic in here. 04.02.01 # Please read the IrcGuidelines page in the wiki. 04.02.21 # yeah, like you were here when we started this channel 04.02.36 # we? 04.02.41 # ? 04.02.50 # holy crap! green table! 04.03.04 # * JdGordon goes to work fixing that 04.03.05 # JdGordon: Indeed, and it's stayed that way for a little while now. Be Careful. 04.04.24 # what aspect ratio should i use 16:9 or 4:3 ? 04.04.30 # for the ipod 04.04.35 # so it is widescreen and the same 04.04.53 # You use the aspect ratio of the original video. 04.05.06 # Widescreen is usually 16:9 04.05.08 # ? 04.05.34 # i think it is 320 by 240 04.05.39 # "?" tells me very little about what part of the sentence confused you. Since I think it contains enough information, I don't know how to restate it without you being more explicit as to which part gave you problem. 04.06.08 # how do i find asepect ratio of flv files 04.06.16 # 320x240 is 4:3, you'll notice that 320/4 = 240/3 04.06.40 # oh 04.06.51 # so 16:9 is 1600/920 or something 04.06.52 # ? 04.06.58 # No. 04.07.15 # 16:9 is any video where width/16 = height/9. 04.09.45 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF49DE.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.10.42 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.12.13 # hmm the Gigabeast CPU "book" is almot 2400 pages long 04.13.18 # At least it ought to be useful. 04.16.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 04.28.32 # does rockbox or ipod like .mpg files or .avi files more? 04.29.36 # Rockbox only supports MPEG1/2 - see http://rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer 04.31.14 Join fakewun [0] (n=45f984b1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-31a9a1b4357e76be) 04.31.17 # oh 04.31.21 # how is ipod os different 04.31.29 # does it like .avi or .mpg more? 04.31.33 Part yeal` 04.31.46 # ... 04.31.54 # I was going to say that... 04.32.04 Quit fakewun (Client Quit) 04.34.12 Quit voltagex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.42 Join Shaid3 [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.00.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF402A.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.03.05 Quit RoC_MasterMind ("Leaving") 05.07.11 # hmm i m trying to build after this latest S commit, but i am getting multiple warnings regarding the LANG_BRIGHTNESS 05.09.37 # alienbiker99: make clean then make 05.09.43 # ok 05.13.23 # thanks, that worked 05.14.15 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.14.15 Nick Shaid3 is now known as Shaid (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.15.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Connection timed out) 05.15.51 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-20-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) 05.37.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.44.18 Join Evilnick [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-212-221.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.47.13 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.49.30 Join HiddenShadow [0] (n=ce747465@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc28459df1b4c443) 05.50.07 # hi, i was wondering how i could delete my database and rebuild it, or if i just go to init. now, will that rebuild it for me? 05.56.09 # never mind i got it...im still confused though since it says its found more than 5000+ entries...i only have around 3000 sounds, or does the 5000+ entries mean something else? (tags etc, etc.) 05.56.19 # 3000 songs* 05.57.37 # i think that usually means you have songs on the disk you don't know about 05.58.07 # weird...cuz i deleted the songs itunes had on there (from ipod_control/music) 06.00.36 # anyways whatever, im just happy i dont have to touch itunes, even if rockbox gives me lower battery life..but then again i might have to use it for videos/photos because its faster :P 06.06.03 Join AdRock420 [0] (n=20919cf6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea7698df1933d5a8) 06.08.19 # ????. My Sansa e260 just fully crapped out on me after only 3 months. I love rockbox to death and was wondering out of the mp3 player builds, which is my best bet for reliability and quality when using rockbox? I'm done with sansa and thier crap hardware. Any suggestions 06.08.53 # As far as which mp3 player to get that will be the best to use with rockbox software 06.15.03 Quit AdRock420 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.19.28 Quit csc` (Remote closed the connection) 06.22.06 # wow...someones impatient. 06.25.46 Quit GregZzZzZzzzZZzX ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 06.26.22 Quit midgey () 06.27.36 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 06.27.47 Quit midgey (Client Quit) 06.37.38 Quit homielowe () 06.40.02 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 06.46.14 Join blizzyblunt [0] (n=20914991@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5b15c387e9777022) 06.47.04 # is there anywhere on the main site to find out which build is coming along faster for a cowon d2 and a cowon iaudio 7? 06.48.10 # i don't think there is a port to 7, so it would be the D2 06.50.19 # hmm actually there is, didn't notice some of that went in 06.52.13 Quit blizzyblunt ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.54.23 Quit Ragnor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.55.58 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549646F6.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.56.29 Join jpt9 [0] (n=jpt9@venonat-12.dynamic.rpi.edu) 06.56.37 # Hey. 06.56.48 # When'd you guys get rid of the light blue background on the boot screen? 06.58.13 Join yeal` [0] (i=yeal@pool-71-103-113-204.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.58.16 # hi 06.58.19 # where is album art usually saved at 06.58.28 # i check my ipod directory and it does not ahve any jpg filesin it 06.59.19 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-062-111-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.01.32 Quit yeal` (Client Quit) 07.01.47 Join yeal` [0] (i=yeal@pool-71-103-113-204.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.01.50 # ? 07.01.51 # jpt9: tuesday I think 07.01.56 # where is album art usually saved at 07.01.59 # i check my ipod directory and it does not ahve any jpg filesin it 07.02.11 # yeal': don't repeat questions 07.02.26 # yeal`, you read the album art wiki? 07.02.32 # rockbox doesn't support jpeg album art anyway 07.02.32 # did^ 07.06.32 # well i am not sure that the album art is saved as jpg 07.06.43 # just the original files are jpg 07.06.47 # then you copy it to id3 07.06.48 # or someting 07.08.22 # it only takes bmp's...i tried using the rockbox aa on the wiki, it was horrible 07.08.33 # where does it save bmps? 07.08.50 # It doesn't? 07.09.14 # ? 07.09.17 # oh 07.09.18 # neat 07.09.19 # you have to convert it from the jpeg or get the album art seperately and put it into a 100x100 bmp 07.09.22 # i think* 07.09.26 # yeah 07.09.30 # but where is the bmp at? 07.09.34 # i don't see it in the file folder 07.09.43 # do you use itunes/ 07.09.46 # ?* 07.10.00 # yes 07.10.02 # i use itunes 07.11.02 # well if you got the artwork from itunes store, it puts it into a lame file which isn't a jpeg :/ 07.11.12 # cuz i just checked: C:\Documents and Settings\[YOUR USERNAME]\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\Album Artwork 07.11.18 # oh 07.11.32 # and it shows a bunch of folders with files in them (which aren't jpg) 07.11.46 # .ITC* 07.12.10 # my album art ain't there 07.12.23 # :/ 07.12.25 # is it saved in the id3 or properities is it saved in the mp3 file? 07.12.37 # i think it is saved in the id3 tag 07.12.41 # but i don't know how 07.12.55 # this probably isn't the best place to ask about how itunes works 07.13.57 # i am asking how mp3 and id3 tags work 07.15.07 Join TheNumber^^ [0] (n=thenumbe@196.203.109.172) 07.15.20 Quit m0f0x () 07.19.30 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-984dcd7b1ae7b91c) 07.20.27 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-984dcd7b1ae7b91c) 07.22.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.22.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.23.36 Quit w1ll14m (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.24.51 Part jpt9 07.28.37 # yeal: im stuck in the same boat as you :/ 07.28.53 # and ive just gotten off that boat and given up...for sleep that is :P 07.29.17 # but i think album art can be embedded into a mp3 07.29.25 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.29.32 # so you'd have to do it yourself one by one or find a batch program 07.29.41 # its just that itunes doesn't do it 07.31.23 # you should use media monkey, it embeds the album art 07.31.39 # but then again, does rockbox use embedded album art? or only bmp's 07.31.56 # which are seperately placed 07.32.27 # there is a tool called rockaa that you could try 07.32.49 # or i didn't understand it 07.32.49 # tried it and didn't help 07.32.59 Quit HiddenShadow ("CGI:IRC") 07.33.31 # i put a post on winamp forum, i hope someone can tell me how album art gets saved there i guess 07.33.48 # i heard media monkey is slow because itis rough on the cpu 07.35.47 # on the album art wiki, there is RockAA.. i have good luck with it 07.37.02 Part toffe82 07.37.21 # i am using iARt to get album art right now 07.37.24 # it uses itunes 07.37.38 # and relies on amazon and google search database 07.37.44 # it can automatically find the album art too 07.37.53 # it found only 70% of my 5k library though 07.37.57 # i have to find the rest 07.37.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.40.22 # i am using rockbox only because it can sort files by album artists 07.41.05 # actually i guess i could use ipod os if i make them all compliation albums 07.41.10 # the ones that are problematic 07.41.24 # i just might 07.41.32 # monologue time! 07.42.42 # yeal`: the Rockbox AA approach is documented, use that or you won't get to see AA in rockbox. As simple as that 07.43.29 # what do you mean 07.43.38 # i could add album art through winamp 07.43.41 # there are many ways 07.43.57 # and the album art stays there even if i move the song files to different folders 07.43.59 # if all is good then fine 07.49.15 Quit homielowe () 07.50.07 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 07.53.19 Quit Rob2223 () 07.54.23 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE6EC.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.06.05 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.07.59 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host177-100-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 08.08.30 # Hi all! Surely something is not going right with rockbox in my case. Sometimes when I re-start the player, rockbox resumes the wrong file :) 08.13.58 # At the moment the gigabeast keymap file is kind of inconsistent - especially with regard to cancelling stuff. I want to get a consistent keymap, but I need input 08.16.24 # As it stands both the back button and the power button are being used (in different places) to perform cancel-like actions. Do I make it so that either work, or only power, or only back? 08.20.03 # aliask: On most players, the "stop" function/button serves as "back" in many cases. I'd say that it should probably be both. 08.20.48 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 08.21.07 # That brings up another point, what do we want stop to be? Back, or long play? 08.21.30 # Power. 08.21.56 # I'd be happy with that. 08.22.29 # Oh, it's already that. Goodo. 08.23.33 # Also, should we start updating the images in the manual with screenshots of the menu with the new default theme rather than the outdated rockbox-blue/sysfont look? 08.24.02 # I'd say it's not a big deal, but it's worth doing at some point so no harm in getting a start on it. 08.24.29 # * aliask takes note and adds all this to his todo 08.28.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 08.29.10 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.35.42 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.37.05 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.41.29 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC836.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.42.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet10.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 08.43.41 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.48.47 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 08.53.24 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.57.46 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.59.41 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.01.58 Quit mrkiko (Remote closed the connection) 09.02.09 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.04.56 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|afk (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.09.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.14.14 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.19.40 # hi petur 09.19.52 # hiya 09.20.03 # Is there anything specific I should document of my Mini CF mod? 09.20.18 # did you need to do anything special? 09.22.28 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-152.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.22.28 # First an ipod specific thing: I needed to dd the MBR + firmware partition, in order to avoid needing ipodupdater and installing the bootloader again 09.23.51 # The other 2 special things are purely mechanical: 09.24.17 # The rubber corners from the microdrive need to be left out, otherwise the mini wouldn't fit into its case (the microdrive is actually 1mm less wide than a regular cf card), but they're not needed anymore anyway 09.24.56 # Hey amiconn ^_^ 09.24.59 # and I had to put some folded cardboard between the crad and the back of the case in order to support the pcb + cf card sandwich 09.25.00 # Good morning :D 09.25.25 # amiconn, any news about the rippling/blanking bug on M3? 09.25.29 # Everything else worked right out of the box 09.25.50 # MauS: Not yet, but this is the bug I'll tackle next, now that I solved the dropout on Mini 09.26.16 # amiconn: you think we should convert the CFMod wiki page to a list of moddable targets and something with pictures to show the process for each? 09.26.27 # amiconn, i've read some reports of successful using Rockbox on M3. Am i a loser? :) 09.27.10 # petur: Maybe keep the CFMod page as an index page (with lists of compatible targets and CF cards), but put device-specific instructions on their own pages? 09.27.57 # I think most stuff on the CFMod page is obsolete except maybe the table with CF cards 09.28.24 # and my h300 bootloader, which all h300 modders seem to use ;) 09.28.25 # MauS: I am using it successfully on M3. And no, you're not a loser, you're just experiencing differences in hardware behaviour between individual devices 09.28.43 # Oh i see 09.29.07 # I need to make the transfer slower in order to make it work reliable on all iaudios, but this slowdown should be kept as little as possible 09.29.21 # That's why I need to prepare a set of test builds 09.31.01 # petur: Do you want me to add the card's identify info? 09.31.47 # if you think it is worth it... so far it looks like all cards now work... 09.32.36 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.33.26 # Is there a way to get the output of latex to be slightly less verbose, debugging is near impossible with so much crap 09.37.44 # latex >& /dev/null ? :D 09.38.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.39.01 # aliask: Fix the warnings... 09.39.58 # No thanks... :P 09.46.16 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 09.48.35 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.58.52 # hmm, no .pdf version of the gigabeast's front image, I guess that's what breaks the build for me... 09.59.18 # Inkscape can't export a working pdf unfortunately 10.00.01 # any idea how the others were made? 10.00.22 # I think CorelDraw was used to create the other svg's - that probably can export to pdf 10.01.50 # maybe someone with coreldraw can import the svg and export pdf then... 10.02.16 # aliask: btw, do you think FS#8792 can be closed now? 10.03.04 # Definitely. 10.08.11 # * LinusN doesn't understand why disktidy is a viewer in FS#8637 10.11.45 # first you view the dirt? 10.12.23 # well, it is a viewer for .dtdy files (the config files) 10.13.21 # bah... with that logic, you can make patience a viewer of its saved games... 10.14.04 # my thinking as well 10.21.37 Join Hidden [0] (i=piglet@centaur.sch.bme.hu) 10.24.10 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.26.32 Join ChocoChantalle [0] (n=Miranda@130-8-122-86-axente.ebsromania.ro) 10.29.13 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 10.30.47 # pixelma: Hi there! 10.30.50 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.30.59 # aliask, n1s: the final brush up of the other svg were all made with inkscape as well. The pdfs were created by exporting an eps file from inkscape and then running epstopdf 10.31.19 # I believe it's in the wiki somewhere, I'll search 10.31.23 # Aha. Thanks :) 10.31.46 # * pondlife also votes for disktidy to NOT be a viewer, as if anyone cared... 10.32.06 # aliask: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines#SVG_images 10.32.11 # Why does disktidy need to have any config at all? i.e. just delete all files for all OSes... 10.33.57 # aliask: did you know that LambdaCalculus also worked on a gigabeast manual? (or is this his work? 10.34.10 # No, I had no idea 10.34.25 # Did he post his work anywhere? 10.34.31 # linuxstb: I agree with you.. who introduced the config option? 10.35.14 # a config option is still nice for the user, if he wants to clean file that disktidy doesn't know about 10.35.44 # Ah, I thought it was just a choice of OS... I'm out of date, I fear 10.35.59 # That's what happens when you go away for weeks. 10.37.07 # LinusN: Any closer to a new H300 bootloader release, or are we waiting for you and petur to get to DevCon? 10.37.37 # i have very little time to work on it before devcon 10.37.45 # No problem. 10.38.07 # It'll be nice to not have the background colour change 3 times on boot though :) 10.38.11 # aliask: he showed parts of it (posted on pastebin), the links must be in today's log even (maybe started in late yesterday's) 10.40.04 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-168.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.46.19 Quit TheNumber^^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.46.59 # LinusN: I now have my bootloader also hang up many times when attaching USB... weird stuff happening :/ 10.49.55 # ouch 11.01.57 Quit yeal` () 11.03.02 Join aliask_ [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 11.03.26 Quit aliask (Nick collision from services.) 11.03.32 Nick aliask_ is now known as aliask (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/aliask) 11.04.38 # Hrm, my computer didn't seem to like that EPS. There also seem to some glitches in the eps->pdf conversion process. 11.05.57 Quit homielowe () 11.08.52 # amiconn: so the core was indeed hanging after all? I suppose it makes sense. Only thing is that on S, I may want to put the whole sleep inside ide_power_enable to wait for power to stabilize before turning the bus switch on. 11.12.28 Join timmy8765 [0] (n=tim@97.81.57.122) 11.14.59 # aliask: what happens? I seem to remember that I also had a problem at first (pdfs were rotated when I didn't want them to) and it turned out that I had an older version of epstopdf, updating helped 11.17.56 # Hard to explain, the face of the player had vertical stripes on it, the outline strokes of objects were thicker than they should have been and a few other little things 11.18.27 # But at the moment opening any files made from the svg instantly eat 100% of my ram and slow my PC to a crawl... 11.21.04 # all these new flash targets are crap as tower components 11.26.18 # hey, is the current build for ipod video broken? 11.26.36 # aliask: the transparency is probably the problem here 11.27.38 # pixelma: Any quick fixes? 11.28.16 # is it only one object that is transparent? 11.28.21 # timmy8765: I don't think anyone else has reported problems. What's wrong? 11.28.43 # I upgraded from a few days ago, and my scroll wheel won't work 11.29.03 # I already tried reinstalling, and the apple firmware works fine 11.31.18 # pixelma: You mean the invisible layer "reference"? 11.32.42 Quit alienbiker99 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.33.30 # aliask: I mean alpha transparency and it seems to be used in a few places (can't understand why for the things I found btw.) 11.34.35 # I made this thing ages ago, so I don't really remember what I did exactly. I'll take a look through it and see if getting rid of the alpha helps things along 11.37.32 # I can only open this svg in inkscape (I can open the others in CorelDraw as well and work on them), so I think it's not standard. I'll probably give improving it a go anyways but not now... 11.38.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.39.50 # I had problems with alpha transparency too (with the e200.svg that I got from someone else and only wanted to label correctly etc.), removing the alpha completely fixed it 11.44.40 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2AF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.51.29 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.54.50 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne042.ugent.be) 11.56.25 Quit aliask ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008050509]") 12.02.07 Quit timmy8765 ("Leaving") 12.06.49 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-108996.home.otenet.gr) 12.07.28 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.17.25 # Do we have an official Gigabeat S bootloader download? 12.17.56 # if we do it's new since yesterday 12.18.01 # cos BigBambi had to build me one 12.18.17 # the one I built it still there 12.18.22 # if anyone wants it 12.18.58 # linuxstb: I guess the problem is we can't offer the dual boot one, and at this stage you really do want that (for charging) 12.19.01 # if we just have some confidence in one, we could put it up for download 12.20.14 # B4gder: But we can't redistribute the patched OF one, can we? 12.20.42 # true 12.20.56 # I was thinking about the rockbox one 12.21.23 # Yep, but since RB doesn't do charging yet, dual boot for most people is probably kind of important 12.22.02 # * linuxstb is currently drafting some install instructions 12.22.10 # do you need that BL even to charge over the DC power cord ? 12.22.15 # or is it just for charging over USB ? 12.22.25 # GodEater: Good point, don't know 12.22.32 # BigBambi: Ah, that explains why my S doesn't seem to charge then... 12.23.01 # linuxstb: yeah, you need to enable charging in software 12.23.13 # I don't know if that is for mains as well, or just usb 12.25.09 # someone should try it and see :) 12.25.16 Part B4gder 12.25.51 # * jhMikeS has charged his battery in rockbox but won't commit code without a proper algorithm 12.26.12 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-152.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.26.27 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 12.26.40 # it's my next thing to do anyway 12.27.30 Join d34df00d [0] (n=0xd34df0@80.251.122.132) 12.27.47 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C2FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.28.59 # jhMikeS: Nice... Do you think that will be enough for a "v1.0" bootloader release? 12.29.07 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-152.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.31.43 # linuxstb: i wanted to get some things in like turning off the backlight in bootloader usb mode and displaying the battery voltage but i guess it can wait to v1.1 12.32.32 # linuxstb: Actualy I'm adding backlight handling in there atm but that's not such a big thing. Charging needs a new algorithm so if it can charge and handle that, I'd say it's probably very close. I'm still bugged about the "unhandled IRQ" stuff - which really has the core in interrupt mode with no pending interrupt. 12.33.35 # IMO, a v1 release doesn't need to be perfect - just have the important features (USB, charging, ???) working well enough. 12.35.17 # * amiconn would suggest to use simple vN version numbers for the S bootloader 12.36.47 # * linuxstb too 12.36.59 # * jhMikeS extends that to vX.Y where "X" increments on release and "Y" increments on significant development changes and get's reset to 0 when "X" increments 12.37.11 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 12.37.34 # vX.Y can simply be known by their SVN revision... 12.37.57 # how about adding display of the revision number then? 12.38.34 # i think just v1, v2 is nicer 12.40.24 Quit n1s () 12.40.35 # keep the vN but also show the SVN revision is what I was saying 12.43.31 # on intermediates sure, but I think for releases just the vN would be nicer 12.49.32 # * preglow doesn't see a point with versioning stuff that isn't released 12.49.44 # svn revision is a good enough version as anything for unreleased cases 12.50.45 # sure, but if the vN is already there you can either remove or leave it for non-releases. I don't think it really matters to much :) 13.00.32 # IIRC, the other bootloader show "vN" for releases, and the SVN revision for non-releases. 13.01.23 # * linuxstb made a first attempt at some install instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation 13.03.26 # Isn't this TFAT thing based off FAT64? 13.03.40 # so the wikipedia article suggests 13.04.50 # aka. exFAT. this factoid info is also available at the Microsoft site and the Wikipedia article was mostly just a cut and paste from that 13.06.58 # linuxstb: looks good to me 13.07.24 # The lack of an OF nk.bin is a real arse though 13.08.33 # why do we need one ? 13.08.40 # linuxstb: Perhaps that page ought to have some kind of disclaimer at the top about there not currently being an official way to uninstall? (without 'locating' an OF nk.bin) 13.09.21 # GodEater: for both dual booting, and more importantly, uninstalling 13.09.35 # what's wrong with the Gigabeat V updater ? 13.09.54 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 13.09.55 # We still can't officially distribute it 13.10.14 # As it is hacked to recognise the S 13.10.37 # The OF nk.bin is available, I'm just talking about what we can officially supply 13.10.47 # ok I get understand now 13.10.59 # brain not fully engaged with typing fingers it seems 13.12.27 # * jhMikeS never used the V updater since it never worked for him and used the restore instead 13.16.50 # we need a "getfirm" or functionality in sendfirm to yank the nk.bin from the player if that's possible 13.17.08 Join mircko [0] (n=cdbfc2a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3394f6598755f47a) 13.17.29 Quit mircko (Client Quit) 13.19.10 # jhMikeS: I would be very surprised if that's possible - I can't think of a reason why they would have put that in the MTP spec... 13.19.12 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 13.21.04 # * jhMikeS hasn't read the MTP spec and requests clarification 13.21.55 # IIRC, sendfirm uses the MTP "sendfirm" command. 13.22.17 # * linuxstb doesn't think the MTP spec is public... 13.22.53 Quit MauS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.23.03 # Looking at the source, is uses the sendfile command with the FILETYPE_FIRMWARE flag 13.25.11 # to get a file you need its ID. nk.bin has no ID 13.25.29 # sendfirm returns one, but it's bogus 13.28.38 # And by then it's too late anyway... 13.29.21 # yes 13.30.32 # Maybe it's worth asking the libmtp people? 13.31.09 # yes, maybe they know something. at least they could tell us whether the mtp spec includes something of the kind 13.32.43 Join moos [0] (n=c40cd9a7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-046ffc4cb496d4fa) 13.37.07 # * jhMikeS gets ticked at the current codebase re: BOOTLOADER since modules used by the gigabeat S bootloader need to be built much like they're for the core 13.38.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.39.14 # jhMikeS: I'm agreeing with that - for my telechips ports, I'm making the bootloader as close to a normal build as I can as well. 13.39.24 # each sd command can only have one response type, yes? 13.40.04 # linuxstb: I sort of hacked usb.c to deal with that but it's not clean way imo 13.41.03 # There's also little regard to properly closing the modules (I don't was SPI transfers in progress to the PMIC when code switches over - that goes for RoLo as well) 13.45.34 # * preglow kind of wishes the bootloaders would be out of the main rockbox source tree 13.45.45 # but i see how that might mean lots of work... 13.53.07 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 13.55.31 # The approach for usb was to define USB_FULL_INIT used in place of where BOOTLOADER was originally and is used if firware is being made or if the target specifies the whole driver regardless 14.02.46 Join crash91 [0] (n=crash@41.232.215.149) 14.05.01 Quit ChocoChantalle (Excess Flood) 14.16.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet02.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.19.20 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 14.32.32 Quit crash91 ("Ex-Chat") 14.33.43 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-104-152.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.42.21 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.42.24 Quit moos ("CGI:IRC") 14.42.45 Join moos [0] (n=c40cd9a7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e865ce83cc9ed843) 14.55.24 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008050509]") 14.57.39 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.57.45 Join Xerion_ [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 14.57.59 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 15.03.26 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.16.32 Quit moos ("lunch time") 15.17.58 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f6c07a2a0e79c557) 15.22.58 Join webguest98 [0] (n=4fdbdb06@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-10503cfdc48d0232) 15.23.42 Quit webguest98 (Client Quit) 15.23.44 # * LambdaCalculus37 sees that aliask beat him to the punch with Gigabeast manual work :P 15.26.37 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008050509]") 15.29.18 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.29.47 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 15.29.48 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.31.52 # pixelma: Looks like aliask beat me to the punch with the initial beast manual work. 15.32.05 # But at the same time, it gives me something to expand on. :) 15.32.22 # I know, already talked to him a bit about it 15.33.25 # Yeah, I saw the logs. 15.35.13 # his svg is giving me trouble, can't make it work correctly in anything else than inkscape - and even there I get "undefined colour"s for fillings etc. even though it displays correctly 15.36.21 # Weird. SVGs should work on any support app, shouldn't they? 15.38.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.38.14 # it doesn't seem to be a standard svg - inkscape self allows saving an "inkscape svg" and a "normal svg" (I am running a German version, maybe it's called differently in English) but saving as "normal" didn't help me 15.39.21 # I think you should ask him to give you another SVG, but to make sure to save it as a normal SVG with no weird "undefined colors" used anywhere. 15.39.43 # * pixelma considers drawing an own version, maybe reusing the outlines but this will take a bit of time 15.40.13 # Have you tried exporting it from inkscape to "normal svg", and reloading? 15.42.19 # yes, well I can only "save as" normal svg and then tried to import to CorelDraw which works for other svgs I tried 15.44.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet02.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.50.17 # the beast has a lot of buttons... 15.50.44 # 13 buttons, plus the hold switch. 15.51.01 # And I used to think the H320 had a lot of buttons. :) 15.51.16 # or the c200 :\ 15.57.25 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 16.00.50 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.01.20 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.09.08 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.09.18 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-062-093-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.17.44 Part pondlife 16.26.58 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.29.25 # amiconn: someone seems to have the M3 remote problem on an X5 : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16796.0 16.32.40 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 16.34.35 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.34.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.36.01 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 16.36.20 # gevaerts: that's reported for all lcd remotes and there's a bug report for it 16.53.03 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.22 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 16.58.34 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.00.17 Join low_light [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a22b4117b7c44c9) 17.01.46 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.50 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.02.57 # gevaerts: are you a bluetooth expert too? 17.03.18 # * gevaerts knows nearly nothing about bluetooth 17.04.31 # ok...I picked up an insignia ns-dv player. there's also version with bluetooth. 17.04.48 Part LinusN 17.05.17 # * LambdaCalculus37 thinks low_light is going to hold the record for "Most Rockbox Targets ported in a Single Go" :) 17.06.56 # I think the insignia ns-dv, iriver x20, and philips sa6045 are all nearly identical 17.07.41 Quit petur ("beer time") 17.08.15 # but I think toffe82 wants me to concentrate on committing the sa9200 port first 17.08.20 Quit inversions (Connection timed out) 17.10.35 # Isn't the SA9200 port relatively trivial, since the majority of the hardware is identical to that of the e200? Or is this all a load of dingo's kidneys? 17.11.33 # yeah...it's done (except for buttons). I've just been swamped with work. 17.12.18 # No problem. Take your time, then. :) 17.14.14 Quit gevaerts ("work->home") 17.19.13 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.20.50 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.22.27 Join jac0b|w [0] (n=9b6d05f4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-25651cadc0d5927c) 17.22.54 Quit jac0b|w (Client Quit) 17.23.20 # linuxstb: I am watching all three 17.23.29 # oops, wrong channel 17.25.02 # low_light: I want the commit ;) 17.26.12 # low_light: do you hae the file you use to dump the bootloader ? 17.26.19 # have ^^ 17.27.15 # I am not really good at doing that, and I don't have so many time so if I have the base, I can do it I think 17.27.55 # low_light: I got another gogear the hdd 1630 17.28.01 # for 1$ 17.28.04 # I just modified bootloader/main-pp.c. The section where is says dump hidden partition. 17.29.02 # ok 17.29.55 # you could use the tpj1022 bootloader (if it still works). It's minimal and you could just have it dump the flash to disk. 17.29.56 Join daskhweg [0] (n=l3ech@bzq-82-81-18-92.red.bezeqint.net) 17.30.21 # Are those gogears also MTP only? 17.30.29 # yes 17.30.36 # same thing 17.31.13 # I began the wiki on the hdd6330 and am waiting for the hdd1630 17.32.35 # Is the firmware in System directory like the H10 and m:robe100? 17.33.17 # ther is a system directory visible but nothing in it 17.33.40 # like the sa9200 17.34.45 # but they work the same way as the sa9200, there is a recovery mode and service mode too 17.35.42 # I read somwhere that if you copy a file in the system folder, the player should upgrade, but I think it works only if the version is higher than the one installed 17.36.03 # toffe82: I just did a little cleanup of the HDD6330 page for you. Mostly grammatical cleanup. 17.36.34 # you say on the wiki that in service mode it's a mass storage device 17.37.58 # LambdaCalculus37: thanks 17.38.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.38.23 # yes, but I didn't try it yet 17.39.27 # Is there only one partition on the drive? on the sa9200, the bootloader and firmware are stored on a hidden partition. 17.42.49 # toffe82: does the 6330 have a WM dac? 17.43.20 # or is it PP5022 + AS3514 like the c200? 17.43.20 # I have an image of the disk of the hdd6330 (I didn't do it) and it shows 2 system folder and one contain the FWimage.ebn 17.43.40 # it is a 5022 17.44.02 # I didn't open it yet, but there is a photo on the wiki 17.44.18 # There seems to be very little information about the hardware listed on the wiki. 17.44.51 # yes, I have to do it but it was you player or the hdd6330 ;) 17.45.43 # toffe82: At least the scan is really nice and sharp. :) 17.45.51 # * low_light waits while scan loads 17.46.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 17.46.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 can just make out an SST logo on one of the chips on the top 17.53.05 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 17.58.19 # The SST chip is SST39WF400A "Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. :: 4 Mbit (x16) Multi-Purpose Flash" 17.58.50 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f75b2e31f1dcc32) 17.59.45 # put it on the wiki :) 18.01.43 # I can't log on the wiki from work (or do svn commits) ;) 18.04.05 # low_light: Let me take care of it. I can log onto the wiki here at work. 18.05.25 # * LambdaCalculus37 adds the SST chip info to the wiki 18.07.10 # The one below it is Samsung SDRAM K4S51163PF 18.08.06 # 8M X 16BIT X 4 BANKS MOBILE SDRAM 18.08.07 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.09.32 # Added. 18.09.33 Join jonny19 [0] (n=57c2cf25@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e644a1b5e2ec5298) 18.09.40 # Hello 18.10.21 # low_light: Should I also mention the markings on the HD connector? 18.10.59 # could someone help me with a problem please :) 18.11.11 # jonny19: Ask your question. 18.11.14 # jonny19: If you have something to say, or ask, then as it. We can't read minds. 18.11.26 # (At least, I can't.) 18.12.22 # Does anyone know how to change the start up rockbox logo to my own image? i've been searching the forums but not having much luck 18.12.36 # low_light: whst is the screen resolution of the sa9200 ? 18.13.58 # I am using an ipod 4th gen greyscale 18.14.25 # jonny19: The short answer is that you can't. The long answer is that Rockbox is open source, meaning that if you compile it yourself, it's possible to use a different image (and change anything else you want - if you are able to program). 18.14.33 # jhMikeS: I'd rather enable the bus transceiver together with powering up the disk. Otherwise you'll have some floating pins until enabling the transceiver 18.14.52 # toffe82: 160x128 18.15.06 # ok 18.15.23 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.15.26 # okay, so assuming I have no programing experience at all, there's no way then ;) 18.16.22 # jonny19: Just changing the logo is relatively easy - the hard part is setting up a development environment and compiling your own version of Rockbox. But there are lots of instructions on the website and threads in forums about that. 18.16.45 # But it doesn't require programming experience as such. 18.17.09 # Alright, well thanks for the help 18.17.19 # toffe82, LambdaCalculus37: I still don't see the audio DAC chip 18.17.53 # perhaps on the othe side 18.18.58 # Most likely. There may be a few other chips on the other side that may be interesting. 18.19.11 # Isn't the DAC incorporated in the PP5024 (the AMS part) ? 18.19.32 # linuxstb: This one's a PP5022B. 18.19.51 # What device are we talking about? 18.20.02 Quit jonny19 ("CGI:IRC") 18.20.09 # Oops. :) 18.20.17 # I was talking about the GoGear HDD6330. 18.20.35 # low_light and toffe82 were discussing the SA9200 earlier. 18.20.48 # * linuxstb checks the other wiki page... 18.21.18 # I'm talking hdd6330 18.21.33 # I don't know about the rest of you :) 18.22.05 # * LambdaCalculus37 should stop brain farting :P 18.22.41 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 18.22.57 # we are talking of the gogear series, make your choice ;) 18.23.11 # * linuxstb gives up... 18.24.06 # ? 18.25.07 # * linuxstb gives up trying to follow this conversation ;) 18.25.48 # trying to id the chips on the scan here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoGearHDD6330 18.26.54 # low_light: Where's the other side's scan? 18.27.17 # I have to do it, this one was already on the wiki 18.27.27 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.27.29 # don't know. I don't have one. 18.27.45 # I will try to do it this week end 18.28.10 # The main chips on the available scan are already identified: PP5022, RAM, and flash eprom 18.28.49 # they are now ;) 18.31.27 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 18.31.37 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 18.33.34 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.39.00 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 18.39.50 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.43.44 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-234-225.slkc.qwest.net) 18.47.04 # U1 is probably a TI TPS62040 DC-DC converter 18.49.16 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 18.53.13 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DAC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.40 # amiconn: The bus switch has two enables 1) It's powered by the same switch as the HD 2) A separate GPIO line to actually connect the drive to the ATA pins on the SoC. They're supposed to be in high impedance until lines on the other side are stable (namely during power switching) 18.57.56 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.03.07 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 19.16.26 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF402A.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.16.56 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.18.48 # * GodEater would just like to take this opportunity to thank jhMikeS for all the hard work he's put in on the beast. Just did the new bootloader install, and now have a very happy beast! 19.19.18 # amiconn: any plans to add lcd sleep & power off to the c200? 19.21.13 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.21.29 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DAC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.21.37 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 19.21.40 # low_light: I didn't really do much with the c240 so far (apart from installing rockbox and putting some music on it) 19.22.17 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.30 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (n=AndreeBu@p54A3DAC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.23.48 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.26.41 # amiconn: that's probably the only function that's still missing 19.26.59 # It's missing for other targets too though 19.27.06 # and there's still the problem of the disappearing FM on some c200's 19.27.08 # ...which I will probably work on earlier 19.27.28 # But first I have to fix the remote lcd driver mess 19.28.39 # One thing I am planning to do for c200 (and e200 and Ondio) is cleaning up the hotswap code. This will allow us to get rid of all #ifdef TARGET_TREE 19.33.59 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.03 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 19.37.46 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-176.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.38.06 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 19.38.09 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-176.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.38.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.43.32 # * preglow is going to add another HAVE_HOTSWAP code section 19.44.04 # preglow: You're working on a D2 SD driver? 19.44.41 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.45.06 # linuxstb: yeah 19.45.16 # seems like it should be a doable task 19.46.35 # worst case, it'll be ten times easier than a nand driver, so... 19.48.54 Join midgey_ [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 19.48.57 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.51.58 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 19.53.25 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23D329.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.53.28 # * low_light saw that the D2 now comes in a 16GB flavor 19.54.34 # really 19.54.43 # yea it does 19.54.46 # * preglow wishes it did that some weeks ag 19.54.48 # o 19.55.02 # Is that actually available now? It was announced/rumoured months ago. 19.55.14 # yea.. jetmall has it 19.55.38 # pffft 19.55.51 # ;) 19.55.51 # seems to one in norway has it anyway 19.55.58 # s/to/no/ 19.56.13 # maybe just the FM version now 19.56.25 # well, in that case it wouldn't have mattered 19.56.27 # * preglow hugs his dab 19.56.53 # basing my storage needs on sd cards seems to be smarter code-wise anyway... 19.57.47 # Interesting...the TCC8200 has a hardware JPEG decoder 19.58.06 # i think the 78x has that too 19.58.57 # at least it can accelerate some of the operations in it, like idct and dequantization 19.59.00 # Good...I'm hoping there are a lot of similarities between the 8200 and the 78x 19.59.33 # yeah, i'm looking forward to exploring those parts of the chip 19.59.38 # though it might take some time to do so 19.59.48 # It'll make porting easier 20.00.38 # * LambdaCalculus37 has the whole lot of Telechips datasheets on his thumb drive 20.03.04 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.07.53 Quit Chronon ("--> work") 20.09.34 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF402A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.09.45 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@f053152231.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.10.08 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.10.13 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.10.19 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 20.10.23 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.11.47 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8c66ffd840675751) 20.20.09 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.20.39 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.20.51 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.20.57 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.23.31 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.23.37 Quit FOAD_ (Client Quit) 20.25.38 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.29.04 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet06.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 20.29.17 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.29.19 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.31.48 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3d578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-30953bbd9bae3f71) 20.32.47 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.33.28 # what does HAVE_MULTIVOLUME without HAVE_HOTSWAP mean, really? several disks in one player? 20.33.48 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-250c4f2c24ad90d2) 20.34.03 # preglow: It can also mean two (or more) partitions 20.34.09 # Any manual experts here? In the recently commit to playback_options.tex (r17429) there is an \opt gigabeats directly follwed by a \nopt with 'gigabeats' inside. Is it ok? 20.34.09 # amiconn: ahhh, of course 20.34.22 # amiconn: for some reaason, having more than one never really occured to me 20.34.29 # That's even needed if you mod an archos with a >136GB hdd 20.35.03 # (128GiB) 20.35.03 # ^ in the A-B snippet 20.35.55 # fml: eh, why wouldn't it be? 20.36.46 # preglow: what does 'nopt' mean? "Do it if these options are not active"? 20.37.30 # opt{} means "do this if argument is defined", nopt{} means "do this if none of these arguments are defined" 20.37.33 # afaik 20.38.04 # now that i think about it, i don't think i've ever used nopt 20.39.16 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.40.46 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.47 # preglow: Ahhh! Now I see! It's all correct. nopt should list all the options which occur above in \opt. 20.41.06 # yeah, so it executes if none of them are true 20.41.12 # * pixelma deletes started explanation 20.41.12 # makes sense, since it's a TODO 20.43.24 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9b6a0553af5ac071) 20.47.21 # pixelma: In the c200 manual, section 2.3.2 (Manual installation), part "Bootloader installation from Windows", No. 3, could you please add quotation marks in "press i followed by ENTER"? That would be better I think. 20.47.41 # I don't want to create a patch for such a small change 20.49.39 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 20.49.39 Quit midgey_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.49.57 # Is 40 EUR a good price for a new c200 v1? 20.50.27 # c240 or c250 ? 20.54.13 # fml: the patch would probably get larger because the ipod installation chapter is very similar... but I actually wanted to rework the installation chapter anyways, the actual writing is just a tedious task especially for a non-native speaker - all I've got so far is a collection of info (and thoughts what's missing in my opinion) and thoughts towards a new structure 20.55.10 # fml: you should be aware that nopt can't be cascaded -- i.e. it's "not re-entrant safe" (as it tricks around with opt a bit) 20.55.40 # I should probably put that list somewhere for others (maybe native speakers) to look at 20.56.12 # * bluebrother suggests the ManualTodo wiki page 20.56.52 # when I last looked that page was awfully outdated, that would mean I had to update a lot on there too :\ 20.57.02 # pixelma: Regarding what we were discussing yesterday about Feb's patch for the manual in FS #8658... do you think it should be committed, or do you feel that it needs a little extra work? 20.57.14 # s/Feb's/Febs' 20.58.17 # LambdaCalculus37: would have thought it needs a little extra work, there was at least one typo ;) but I also missed some things IIRC 20.59.25 # pixelma: I'll clean it up really quick and pastebin it. 21.00.29 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3023.gwdg.de) 21.01.16 # bluebrother: I wanted to add a few missing *_PAD in the button table of the lamp plugin (and spell the X5 one correctly, and reduce the "long press..."), the problem is that if I do the whole "toggle colour" line vanishes for all colour target manuals. Do you have an idea? 21.01.29 # gevaerts: c250 21.01.32 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-200-197.dsl.scarlet.be) 21.01.48 # is something wrong with the tracker? i only get a blank page when i click on the tasklist link. 21.02.52 # PaulJam: I also saw that today but it worked when I entered the tracker by chosing one of the links in the left side menu of the rockbox.org pages 21.03.21 # pixelma: I just stumbled upon that 'i' without quotes and had to read the sentence twice 21.04.17 # fml: refurbished c240's seem to be going at 13 UKP or so. I guess a new c250 would be worth between 30 and 40 euros, but I'm not sure (since you can't find them easily it's hard to compare) 21.04.43 # pixelma: the links on the rockbox.org page work for me too. 21.07.58 Join murky_murk [0] (n=linus@58.71.72.254) 21.09.06 # bagder, please check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16789.0 21.10.24 # if you need to ask, I don't think you're up for it 21.11.30 # pixelma: I'm not sure if I understand correctly. You want to add more PAD inside of the opt? 21.13.00 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 21.14.02 # yes, in the "quit" line the X5 pad is spelled wrong (lower case and it doesn't show up) and the c200 and h10 pads are missing. I don't understand why that affects the first line at all... if you want I could paste the very short patch and/or my lamp.tex to a pastebin or so 21.17.40 Quit Buschel () 21.17.53 Join cfrost [0] (i=chris@owl.frostnet.net) 21.18.30 # pixelma: Does the c200 have \ButtonVolUp{} and \ButtonVolDown{} options defined in its platform page in manual/platforms? 21.18.52 # Starting with rockbox versions about one or two months ago, bootup prints "Undefined instruction at 010001D0 (0)" 21.19.04 # newer firmwares haven't fixed the problem 21.19.13 # s/firmwares/versions of rockbox/ 21.19.20 # LambdaCalculus37: yes, but why can't you look yourself? 21.19.29 # (I have not upgraded the rockbox bootloader since long before the problem started) 21.19.32 # pixelma: Because my laptop isn't with me right now. 21.19.32 # any thoughts? 21.19.46 # cfrost: Upgrade the bootloader... 21.19.57 # LambdaCalculus37: but you have internet access and then there is ViewVC... 21.19.59 # cfrost: My crystal ball is broken. What device? 21.20.10 # * LambdaCalculus37 smacks his forehead 21.20.14 # pixelma: D'oh! :P 21.20.20 # LambdaCalculus37: oh wow, sorry about forgetting to mention: Sansa E200 21.20.40 # linuxstb: even though the bootloader didn't change inbetween working and not? 21.21.53 # cfrost: When did you first install Rockbox? The early bootloaders are no longer compatible with current builds (but that's at least a year or so ago). 21.22.39 Quit esperegu_ ("esperanto: http://startu.net http://www.kurso.com.br") 21.22.48 # linuxstb: about nov or dec 1997 21.22.54 # s/1997/2007/ 21.22.59 # (wow) 21.23.25 # It's worth just running rbutil or sansapatcher again and installing the current bootloader, just to confirm that's not the issue. 21.23.26 # Rockbox was around in 1997? :P 21.23.49 # heh no :-P 21.23.56 # end of 2002 21.24.03 # linuxstb: ok, will do. each try requires charing the device enough to boot without usb. and if it fails, letting it sit until it runs out of battery to reboot into the host firmware :(. 21.24.11 # Is there a sansa c200 wps gallery in the wiki? 21.24.12 # linuxstb: thanks 21.24.14 # * gevaerts mentions that this means a new sansapatcher, not one downloaded in 2007 21.24.46 # * bluebrother slaps forehead 21.24.48 # cfrost: you can always reset by holding the power button long enough (15..30 seconds) 21.24.50 # just hold MENU for about 15 seconds to turn the e200 off, no need to run down the battery 21.25.03 # fml: no, since I was told that "the new rockbox-themes will come soon" ;) 21.25.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF63CE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.25.17 # Galois, bertrik: oo 21.25.19 # * gevaerts is confused now. Menu or power ? 21.25.33 # fml: there are a few c200 themes on there though 21.25.39 # my e200 has a power symbol with menu written below it 21.25.50 # fml: even in its current unofficial state 21.26.11 # pixelma: interesting. I just fixed the x5 opt and the button name shows up as expected. 21.26.16 # * gevaerts checks his c250... Same here 21.26.19 # can you pastebin your changes? 21.26.35 # bluebrother: yes and the "toggle colour" line? 21.27.00 # linuxstb: the current sansapatcher did not change anything 21.27.33 # pixelma: Voila! http://pastebin.com/m6494e1db 21.27.43 # s/Voila/Viola 21.27.54 # Viola? 21.27.57 # you mean the "Toggle between colors" line? It shows up as expected 21.28.10 # Done! 21.28.11 # pixelma: of course. rockbox is all about music 21.28.24 # Voilà i'd say :-P 21.28.33 # bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/1013016 21.28.38 # * bluebrother has disabled dead keys 21.29.51 # cfrost: have you checked the filesystem on the sansa ? 21.30.07 # * gevaerts is obsessed with corrupt filesystems 21.31.04 # pixelma: works fine here. Are you sure you're not looking at the buttons of the disktidy plugin? Almost happened to me 21.31.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders if the c200 description he pastebinned needs anything else 21.31.17 Quit fpletz (Remote closed the connection) 21.31.43 # gevaerts: just now I mounted it updated the firmware, and fsck.vfat is happy with it 21.31.46 # LambdaCalculus37: I noticed that the volume up and down are different - down has a form of "sunken" triangle in it and up a "raised" one (sorry can't explain better in short). Do you think that's worth mentioning for the blind, maybe they can feel it? 21.31.58 # That's not it then... 21.32.23 # gevaerts: to double check, should the boot sector differ from its backup? 21.32.25 # pixelma: Let me revise it to add the raised and sunken triangles. 21.32.32 # I would guess sansapatcher did that? 21.32.40 Join fpletz [0] (n=fpletz@franz-pletz.org) 21.33.15 # LambdaCalculus37: lanyard loop that's called, always wondered about that... :) 21.34.28 # bluebrother: yes, I'm sure. Wonder what's going on there :\ 21.34.38 # pixelma: Fixed. http://pastebin.com/d727688a2 21.34.55 # cfrost: I don't think so, but I also don't think it would matter much 21.35.11 # gevaerts: well, if the bootsector was corrupt? 21.36.15 # gevaerts: sectors 71-80 differ 21.36.25 # pixelma: that's indeed strange. Will try a clean build. 21.36.41 # s/sectors/offsets/ 21.36.52 # * gevaerts looks around for the irc police. Is suggesting reformatting allowed now ? 21.37.29 # not without solid reason :) 21.37.38 Quit midgey () 21.38.03 # LambdaCalculus37: sounds good, btw *I* can't feel the sunken one (too small) but the raised. I think it should stay in there though, maybe someone who is trained to read braille can feel it. I think I'm going to commit that soon, thanks much :) 21.38.09 # exactly :) I don't have more suggestions, but while I may be a c200 recovery expert, I don't know that much about the e200 21.38.19 # gevaerts: thanks for the help 21.38.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.38.33 # pixelma: You're welcome. :) 21.38.55 # gevaerts: maybe I'll copy the bootsector and try overwriting it with the backup bootsector 21.39.03 # I'm listed in IrcNicks if you need my real name. 21.40.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.10 # That might help. At what point does it have the error ? Maybe clearing the config also changes things 21.40.29 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.40.41 # gevaerts: I just erased .rockbox and recreated it... 21.40.50 # and it works 21.40.55 # LambdaCalculus37: I remember your name, just need to look up the correct spelling, don't want to mess that up :) 21.40.55 # odd? 21.41.00 # :) 21.41.22 # Then there was probably something wrong with the settings. You didn't backup the old .rockbox by any chance ? 21.42.02 # no :( 21.42.50 # Anyway, I guess the most important thing is that it works now... 21.43.46 # if it's not a widespread problem, I guess so 21.43.48 Join Synergy6 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 21.43.54 # and I didn't find anyone on the web with the problem 21.44.09 # I didn't hear about it either 21.44.14 Part Chex 21.46.04 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.47.52 # LambdaCalculus37: hmm... in the very first sentence, wouldn't it be better to mention the buttons first because one can't feel the screen? 21.49.26 # pixelma: Yeah, that sounds better. 21.49.52 # So it should be "Hold the DAP with the buttons on the right and the screen on the left". 21.51.26 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B031E61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.53.41 # Final revision: http://pastebin.com/d1fa1c4aa 21.57.55 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 21.57.56 # LambdaCalculus37: did you make that patch by just editing the original file with a patch editor? 21.58.45 # s/patch editor/text edito 21.58.47 # r 22.04.50 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 22.05.50 Join T44 [0] (i=Topy44@f048038138.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.07.15 Part cfrost 22.14.24 Quit PaulJam (".") 22.15.06 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 22.23.15 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.04 Quit gevaerts ("let's have an early night") 22.32.39 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 22.46.30 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.51.33 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 22.52.09 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=jelle@a82-95-164-9.adsl.xs4all.nl) 22.53.06 # pixelma: do we have the bmp's for a 160x128 lcd ? 22.53.23 # lots 22.54.32 # you can chose - in colour (X5, big H10 have that), greyscale (H100s, M5, greyscale Ipods) and monochrome (well red on black as the m:robe100 uses) 22.55.23 # it is for the upcoming sa9200 gogear 22.55.26 # color 22.56.24 # does the gogear have an RTC? 23.00.49 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 23.03.36 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@h55eb1105.c45-01-02.sta.perspektivbredband.net) 23.08.16 # pixelma: I don't know 23.11.11 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 23.12.17 # what about a radio? Just asking because if it doesn't have one of those, it would need a few extra screenshots (e.g. the main menu without the radio option because X5 and big H10 have one, or for bounce so it doesn't show the clock in the background). It wouldn't be a big deal either way since the manual build system is prepared for that and it is already used for some targets 23.12.48 # or some manuals 23.13.13 # radio yes 23.13.53 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF485C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.14.04 # Hi. I've got a small question about the pcm_peak_peeker function in pcm.c. Why does it increment the addr by 16? (line 112) 23.16.29 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.16.54 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 23.19.10 # ah ok, it's only taking into account 1 sample every 4 samples? 23.20.07 Join rastasean [0] (n=c03e6be7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-35fc8d27ef61dc34) 23.20.30 # Hey everyone 23.20.54 # I am looking for a question to be answed from someone/anyone. is anyone out there? 23.21.17 # Just ask... 23.21.29 # oh fine 23.21.45 # i have a irive hd120 with rockbox loaded on to it 23.22.12 # when i am in the pre-record mode, the AGC keeps going up with my mics plugged into it 23.22.36 # no pre-amp here, just a pair of AT853 mics 23.22.36 # right 23.22.50 # what mode do you have it set to? 23.22.50 # Why does it go up? 23.23.05 # because the room is quiet and it is trying to increase the gain to compensate? 23.23.09 # mode is anything but off 23.23.22 # If you use safety, I think it should never increase, only decrease 23.24.10 # well the gain on each channel even gets hirer 23.25.03 # Wouldn't you expect it to? As I understand it you give the AGC a target level and it tries to compensate to reach that at a rate denoted by the settings (except for safety mode) 23.25.06 # higher* 23.25.22 # So if you are in a quiet room, it will increase to try and attain the set level 23.25.25 # * BigBambi thinks 23.25.42 # petur is a recording person who uses AGC safety regularly IIRC 23.26.17 # * petur scrolls up to read 23.26.42 # petur: I'm not too familiar with AGC so wanted to check 23.27.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 23.27.01 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.09 # So if I am in a quiet room with the gain for each channel set to match, say 30 dB, it shouldn't even raise, right? 23.27.17 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.27.18 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 23.27.27 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 23.27.30 # agc-safety will only decrease gain, the other modes to both increase and decrease with different time constants 23.27.49 # you can set the max gain AGC goes to 23.28.06 # select the AGC line and use left/right to set dB 23.29.17 # okay 23.29.32 # i'll see if that does anything 23.30.55 # other than that, it *is* AGC, so it is supposed to bump up the gain when levels are low (except in safety mode) 23.31.06 # Yes, thought so 23.31.58 # I don't know. I had BOTH channels set to 30 db and when i started agc was at vocie (fast) was at 18, I think. now agc 8.5 db and the channels are both about 10 db higher 23.32.39 # every time the channels get more gain, the AGC gets lower 23.32.42 # listing recent activities on recent new targets made a rather big list 23.33.08 # the value next to agc is the amount of 'room' it has to increase. that is the value you can modify to limit how high your gain goes 23.34.16 # and how can you modify that? 23.34.31 # Thanks for all these answered questions, btw 23.35.04 # move the selector bar to that line (up/down) and then press left/right to change 23.37.29 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.38.24 # no, i mean how do you modify the agc limit?> 23.38.38 # I found how how you can for the max limit 23.39.10 # such as, for safety its a 3 db right now. I can i make that 6 or 12 or more? 23.45.11 # bluebrother: tried that patch in a clean checkout and it works correctly now it seems (tested with a c200 manual)... weird 23.46.11 # I already compiled with a "make clean" before the "make manual" in the other tree 23.47.14 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.01 # rastasean: if you want to change that you need to change the code and build your own rockbox version ;) 23.51.14 # haha. no way, petur. really? I think I'll figure this out eventually 23.52.16 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3d578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2c20208b6a5665a4) 23.52.36 # Do sansa e200 and c200 use the same cable for PC connection? 23.53.38 # yes 23.54.27 # hehe 23.56.29 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.56.36 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)