--- Log for 10.05.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.13 # Ah, ok. And what does 'automatic' mean? Automatically choose between MTP and MSC? 00.00.28 # yes, which on windows = mtp 00.00.38 # Bagder: is the daily build zip without date in the filename always the current one? 00.00.49 # yes 00.01.07 # there seem to be some daily builds missing for 2008-05-09 00.02.18 # while build-info tells the most recent is 20080509 that file isn't present. But I think it'd be better to always use the current one anyway. 00.04.51 # ls -l output/*/rockbox-*080509.zip | wc -l 00.04.51 # 32 00.05.01 # something is really strange here ... seems I completely broke the http class :( 00.05.04 # the same amount as yesterday and the day before 00.05.50 # ah -- could it be possible that I'm sometimes hitting a mirror that is missing the file? 00.06.05 # yes that is certainly a possibility 00.06.34 # that explains some things ... if I use haxx instead of download I get that file. 00.06.45 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 00.07.32 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 00.07.37 # you know which mirror? 00.08.41 # no -- is there a way to tell from the error page? 00.08.56 # I think so, but I'm not sure 00.09.10 # they are videolan, positive and tbrntech 00.10.27 # Note to rbutil authors: The OK button in the 'About' dialog is not centered (shifted to the right) 00.10.48 # it's running Apache/2.2.6 00.10.59 # I think videolan was lighttp 00.11.09 # yes 00.11.36 # tbrntech it is 00.12.17 # just figured that too. Too slow ... :o 00.13.24 # * pixelma hates making typos in commit messages :\ 00.13.35 # fml: what platform are you on? Just checked it on my linux box, seems to be nicely centered. 00.14.03 # * amiconn hates those ever-lagging mirrors 00.14.25 # Is there no way to reliably trigger an update of the mirrors? 00.14.57 Quit rastasean ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.15.27 # bluebrother: WinXP 00.15.33 # there are millions of ways, but I want simple 00.15.51 # bluebrother: do you use a dialogbuttonbox for that? 00.16.11 # placement will change from platform to platform according to conventions, if so 00.17.45 # preglow: no -- it's a simply pushbutton centered using two spacers 00.18.05 # but the size hint of those spacers differs. Could be the reason 00.18.12 # almost certainly 00.18.20 # use a dialogbuttonbox instead and forget about it :> 00.18.35 # bluebrother: is there a FM presets package in rbutil? 00.18.48 Quit cbr|w (Connection timed out) 00.19.00 # * preglow doesn't think we should stuff anything imaginable into rbutil 00.19.07 # s/anything/everything/ 00.20.59 # fml: no. I thought about it though. But it would require us having a rockbox-themes like backend first. 00.21.23 # and as I still have enough stuff on my todo this has to wait. 00.23.17 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 00.24.53 # pixelma: those were copied from another simple plugin so those faults are probably elsewhere too 00.25.14 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.25.57 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.25.59 # Is it just on me or is the screen of c200 really worse than on e200? 00.26.09 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.26.11 # petur: which one of them? Any idea where you took it from? 00.26.14 Quit T44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.23 # fire I think 00.26.45 # fml: the screen is a different type of lcd (technically) and it's not the nicest 00.26.54 # The c200 has the worst screen of all colour rockbox targets. It's DSTN (i.e. passive matrix), nit TFT like the others 00.27.02 # s/nit/not/ 00.27.41 # petur: ok, thanks for the pointer will have a look 00.29.38 # looks like it was dice.tex 00.29.56 # ah, could be... sorry 00.30.02 # * petur kicks brain 00.30.31 # my tex knowledge is mostly copy paste from other places 00.31.39 # Wasn't database refresh also "disabled" for c200 (like it was for e200)? 00.32.25 # fml: it couldn't, because the c200's firmware works differently there 00.33.35 # pixelma: ah, so it's normal that the database is refreshed every time I use USB? 00.34.17 # the e200s shut off after disconnecting USB and refresh on next start of the OF if a certain bit is set. The c200's firmware immediately starts refreshing the database after unplugging from USB so Rockbox doesn't have a chance to interrupt that 00.35.35 Quit petur ("*plop*") 00.35.43 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.00 # fml: yes, but you can at least make it shorter if you don't care about not being able to find that music in the OF (just write protect the OF'S "system" folder, the OF will try to refresh but soon gives up) or use a Rockbox USB build 00.36.29 Quit ender` (" Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window. -- Steve Wozniak") 00.39.40 Join midgey_ [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 00.39.40 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.50 # pixelma: thanks for the tipp! Now I get the message "Not enough space..." Is it ok? And how can I get rid of the tmp dir? 00.43.50 # yes, that message is normal for the system folder trick. IIRC you could delete every OF file on disk but it will recreate the folders at next USB connect (those will be empty I think, didn't try myself yet) 00.44.33 # I tried to make it hidden but that didn't help 00.45.00 # He-he, I didn't expect that c200 also has radio! 00.45.18 # seems all have 00.46.12 # I mean, some e200 have and the others do not 00.48.06 # Just installed the MySimple WPS from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100 on Sansa c250 and it looks very nice (with nimbus12)! 00.49.18 # * pixelma sighs at pluginlib actions once more, just wanted to look up button definitions to mention them in the manual and now have to look for them in 3 places... 00.49.31 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.49.37 # Next song info isn't shown but the progress bar is exactly at the bottom. 00.50.11 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 00.51.10 Join KrPD [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 00.51.44 # I even think that the built-in text only WPS doesn't look that bad with a nice font (e.g. nimbus 10) 00.52.09 Quit K4rP4D (Nick collision from services.) 00.52.11 Quit homielowe () 00.52.13 Nick KrPD is now known as K4rP4D (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 00.53.57 # I use that WPS without any changes on three different daps and it looks nice every where. I can even vary fonts (not on c200) and it still fits! 00.54.48 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 00.54.58 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.55.02 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 00.55.42 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 00.58.11 Join webguest70 [0] (n=477afa9b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-95fb4dc138c02604) 00.59.55 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 01.00.12 Quit webguest70 (Client Quit) 01.01.57 # * DerPapst doesn't like the nimbus set at all :-P 01.02.25 # What do you like then? 01.03.32 # thinner sans serif fonts 01.03.39 # such as the helvetica ones 01.03.56 # or ter-u* 01.04.23 # nimbus is too bold for my taste :-) 01.04.56 # Imho the nimbus fonts are the only nicely readable ones for >= 10 px 01.05.12 # euh, those skinny helv fonts that are used as default (and lacking quite a lot of characters except in the "helv12") 01.06.08 # s/in// 01.06.19 # well missing chars is another story... 01.06.58 # but (luckily) tasts are different :-) 01.10.24 # pixelma: I've managed to hide the tmp folder. I made it system. 01.13.15 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 01.23.29 Quit bertrik ("bye") 01.33.06 Quit tedrock (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.33.21 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.33.22 Join Makuseru [0] (n=max@210.113.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 01.35.46 Part toffe82 01.38.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.40.00 Join steelman [0] (n=57cdc6bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-df52fb6fa1b1ef7b) 01.40.19 # hello everyone 01.44.15 Quit Makuseru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.46 Join Makuseru [0] (n=max@210.113.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 01.49.09 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.53.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.56.28 # does anyone know if rockbox could support ordinary Zen (not vision, not v plus, not anything) http://www.euro.com.pl/foto/7964945/7964945_2.jpg 01.56.57 # i mean if it is feasible to port rb to this device? 01.57.01 # could soupport yes. it someone ports rockbox to it 01.58.07 # if it isn't heavily protected with some obscure decryption stuff... maybe. 01.59.34 # have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort? 01.59.41 # not yet 02.01.32 # ok I'll read some more in the morning, thanks a lot for now bye. 02.02.00 # bye 02.02.28 Quit steelman ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.05.07 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.09.35 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.27 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 02.15.14 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 02.20.06 Quit Makuseru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.07 Join caramel [0] (n=nup@user-vcausk6.dsl.mindspring.com) 02.21.17 # alo 02.23.57 # hello? 02.24.24 # "please hold the line." 02.28.11 # * DerPapst wonders how long caramel is going to hold said line... 02.30.15 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.38.25 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.43.57 Quit Synergy6 ("Adios") 02.44.47 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-42-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) 02.50.50 Part pixelma 02.56.59 Quit caramel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.01.43 Join yeal` [0] (i=yeal@pool-71-103-123-67.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.01.52 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 03.04.26 Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!") 03.08.29 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.30 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.20.43 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.28.29 Quit midgey_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.56.42 Join raulh [0] (n=raulh@204.193.220.32) 03.57.08 # ok, i've got a question. 03.57.21 # does rockbox lock files? (hides) them? 03.57.33 # becuase my ipods root folder has a 56456+ folder with my music 03.57.45 # but forsome reason there invisible when i open the folders 03.57.47 # is it rockbox 03.57.51 # or my ipods firmware 03.58.18 Join Evilnick_ [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-72-225-212-221.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.00.10 # is anyone there : 04.02.24 Join matthew_ [0] (n=chatzill@CPE-65-30-72-135.kc.res.rr.com) 04.02.40 # raulh, yes there is people here 04.04.02 # k can someone help me then? 04.04.14 # does rock box lock up music files 04.04.21 # or is it apples firmware 04.05.41 # since i do not have an ipod, i do not know, but i will think no 04.05.55 # my files in a folde rin the root drive 04.05.59 # i cant see them 04.06.01 # they're invisible 04.06.03 # what kind of files are they? 04.06.06 # mp3 04.06.11 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 04.06.55 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 04.09.11 # thnks for your help..? 04.09.15 # you use the "Files" or "Database"? 04.09.21 # huh 04.09.55 # they're in a folder inside root of ipods drive 04.10.05 # and i can see all folders for each album ecy 04.10.10 # but when i open thoe 04.10.12 # thoe 04.10.20 # only 1 or 2 songs per folder show up 04.10.21 # or less 04.10.53 # and i am on linux, and with windows they are also hidden 04.11.14 # since i dont have WGA i cant install windows media player witch for some reason finds all the correct files 04.11.54 # you do not need windows media player to see the files 04.12.06 # actually i do 04.12.14 # its the only way it reads the hidden files inside the ipod 04.12.28 # exploring the files they're hidden 04.12.36 # i cant think of any other way 04.12.49 # at the momment im uninstrlaling rockbox to c if thats it if not 04.13.02 # im going to slaughter ipod's firmware o.o; 04.13.18 # you know that you can show all files in rockbox? 04.13.49 # like i said 04.13.53 # my screen is broken 04.14.00 # and its dead stuck on hold 04.14.14 # it froze when i was jogging out desert 04.14.18 # and hiking up a mountain 04.14.25 # so i like try'd to unblock it 04.14.30 # went horribly wrong :o 04.14.42 Quit Evilnick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.18 # if you don't know the problem thanks for trying to help. 04.16.06 # can you stop using the enter key too much.. anyway someone else might be able to help you if you stay in here more 04.16.52 # its ok ill slaughter the ipods firmware 0.o; 04.18.23 Quit matthew_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.44 Quit homielowe () 04.25.06 # k killing firmware fails.. 04.25.12 # well thanks for trying :) 04.25.19 # best be on my way 04.25.28 Part raulh 04.27.35 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.31.41 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.31.59 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 04.33.09 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-99-146-83-79.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 04.47.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF60D1.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.53.34 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.00.52 Join Styles [0] (n=Styles23@cpe-24-160-199-76.ma.res.rr.com) 05.02.33 # Ok, I've definitely followed the manuals and looked at the FAQs 05.03.02 # when I do the menu/select thing to supposedly start rockbox on my iPod 30gb video (5.5g) it only loads the default firmware 05.03.05 # any advice? 05.04.20 # anyone? please? 05.05.18 Quit Styles (Client Quit) 05.06.45 Quit AndyI (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.07.24 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 05.32.02 # will rockbox ipod work on my car ipod connector? 05.38.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.39.22 Join n2aag [0] (n=aaron@cpe-98-14-146-184.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.40.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.40.38 # hey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music) 05.40.50 # err.. vorbis rather, to be precise 05.45.18 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.49.29 Quit Evilnick_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.01.06 Quit murky_murk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.08.16 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 06.08.55 Quit AndyI (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.09.04 # is rockbox better than ipod os? 06.29.36 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 06.42.36 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@rockbox/developer/midgey) 06.43.44 Join HiddenShadow [0] (n=46471495@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-68affd555aa467f6) 06.45.09 # I just got a usb charger for my ipod on ebay, i used a volt meter on the port (on the adaptor) and it read 8 volts...would that damage my ipod? I thought usb ports were supposed to be 5volts. 06.45.31 # or does the ipod have a volt limiter or something? 06.52.29 # the usb charget is not made for ipod? 06.52.54 # what company is it 06.53.56 # http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=107503 06.54.07 # it should be 5 volts 07.03.08 Join midgey_ [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 07.03.08 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.03.16 # well, it says it works with ipod, but not specifically for it 07.04.35 # http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130219115647 07.04.46 # yes, its cheapo brand >.> 07.05.42 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.06.20 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.10.02 # its wierd though, when i put the volt meter in the green led was on (theres a green and red one) and when i put my ipod in the red and the green were on at the same time. (when nothing plugged in, only red is on) 07.10.21 # maybe its doing something else to the voltage :/ 07.20.10 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.22.42 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.24.49 Quit HiddenShadow ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.27.21 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b79ba56a33ddc04) 07.28.43 Quit simonrvn_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.32.50 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.33.30 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@66.183.89.40) 07.38.08 Join XbooX [0] (n=184fc504@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2dfcdc6d6df9fce5) 07.38.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.39.03 # hello 07.41.39 # i would like to try the USB support for rockbox with my 5.5G ipod. i came across http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb and it looks like its possible to enable it. but this looks like something that is done before compiling rockbox. if anyone has more info about this please let me know. 07.43.45 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 07.44.00 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 07.44.10 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 07.50.43 Join hihi [0] (n=cataclys@ip68-7-100-33.sd.sd.cox.net) 07.50.52 # can someone help me plz 07.51.12 # anyone? 07.51.45 # hihi, just ask 07.52.15 # ok im using rockbox util for a 5.5g 80g ipod 07.52.19 # and its says 07.52.23 # cant find ipod 07.52.26 # for the bootloader 07.52.29 # any help? 07.52.40 # my ipod is plugged in and in disk mode 07.53.36 # can you please do not use the enter that much.. plus are you trying to install rockbox to it then? 07.54.07 # yes 07.54.53 # are you it is a 5.5g and not a 6g 07.55.03 # advcomp2019: just wondering if you got my message about the USB support. 07.55.41 # XbooX, yea but you have to build your own build with usb enabled 07.55.50 # im not too sure. i bought the ipod early this year 07.56.16 # advcomp2019: thats not good. lol 07.56.29 # it doesnt have rounded edges. 07.56.39 # so im pretty sure its a 5.5g 07.56.42 # hihi: is the face all flat or is it curved around the edge? 07.56.46 # flat 07.56.56 # 5.5g right? 07.57.19 # and it looks like plastic that is panted on the under side? 07.57.43 # yeah. the problem im having is that it says "no ipods found: 07.57.45 # *painted 07.58.11 # hihi: Are you logged in as an administrator? 07.58.14 # what are you trying to use to get the loader on it? 07.58.52 # hihi, since i do not know have ipod, i am not sure myself 07.58.53 # yes. im trying to install rockbox 07.59.13 # its a 5.5g 80gig ipod. 07.59.26 # hihi: If you bought it this year, it's probably a "Classic" 07.59.31 # yes 07.59.36 # it is a classic 07.59.38 # "Classic" is not 5.5G 07.59.43 # oh... 07.59.46 # Classic is 6G, not supported 07.59.56 # fucking gay. 08.00.12 # thanks anyways guys 08.00.22 # XbooX, there is info somewhere on how to enable usb somewhere.. i do not remember the wiki page 08.00.44 # Llorean: do you know how long it takes to make a build for ipod? 08.01.02 # Depends on your computer 08.01.07 # 1.5-8 minutes 08.01.09 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.01.10 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 08.01.11 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.01.19 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.01.30 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 08.01.42 # Llorean: do you know where to find a build with USB enabled for a 5.5G? 08.01.45 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-208-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.01.49 # No. 08.02.07 # :/ 08.02.30 # ok it is on that page you sent earlier on how to enable it 08.03.21 # my ipod looks like th U2 edition ipod. 08.03.22 # advcomp2019: where is the "makefile" 08.04.02 # hihi, have you looked at apples serial numbers to find out 08.04.37 # hihi: do you have album art on the right side when your listening to music and browsing the menu's? 08.05.36 # or does it say what your playing on that side (if your song has no art)? 08.05.42 # i dont know how to get it out of disk mode >.< 08.06.22 # disconnect it from your computer, hold menu and select untill you see the apple logo on the display 08.06.41 # make sure hold is disabled 08.07.44 # oh okay thx 08.08.16 # at the front screen the album art is at the right. 08.08.39 # have you used ipodwizard on it? 08.08.45 # no? 08.08.52 # ok then you have a 6G 08.08.53 # i dont know what that is... 08.09.08 # damnit "-_- 08.09.21 # XbooX, the makefile is in the source code 08.09.26 # wait 08.09.58 # i waited what, over a year for my 5.5G to work. its worth the wait and im sure it will one day work. 08.10.24 # i hope so. 08.10.32 # thx for the help xD 08.10.36 # would anyone be ever so kind to make a build for me please 08.10.38 # np 08.11.21 # dont i need linux if i want to make a build? 08.11.25 # hihi, look here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 08.12.49 # XbooX, you can read this, if you have not: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 08.13.15 Part toffe82 08.13.55 # its 6g 08.13.58 # yeah lol sept 2006 the 5.5G came out. and when did rockbox and ipod linux start to work on the 80gb..... the second half of last year? 08.13.59 # bye all >.< 08.14.04 # cya 08.14.10 Part hihi 08.18.36 Join caramel [0] (n=nup@user-vcausk6.dsl.mindspring.com) 08.21.07 # XbooX: Getting the 80gb 5.5G working was a LOT easier than getting the new iPods working will be. Especially since nobody's really interested in working on 'em 08.24.55 # Llorean: I know. 08.27.15 Join joecool [0] (i=joecool@no-sources/joecool) 08.27.46 # what is the maximum hardware sampling rate of the ipod? 08.27.58 # just 44.1khz/16bit? 08.28.06 # or is it higher 08.36.50 Quit midgey_ () 08.40.23 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCF9D.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.42.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-217-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.42.55 Quit caramel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.43.40 Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!") 08.56.56 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 08.58.31 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.59.15 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 09.04.53 # hmm, i wonder why flyspray returns an empty page when searching for "all task types" 09.06.39 Quit joecool (Remote closed the connection) 09.08.02 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB03D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.08.49 Join joecool [0] (i=joecool@no-sources/joecool) 09.13.38 # hrm.. rockbox seems to have issues keeping up with flac 96khz/24bit on 5.5g ipod 80gb 09.14.02 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.06 # i shouldn't have too much fragmentation... 09.14.48 # joecool: it will use quite a bit of cpu to downsample while needing to buffer much more often... 09.21.34 # the disk read code is still not very optimized yet on 80gb, no? 09.23.29 Quit Status (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.23.40 Join Status [0] (i=Status@gentoo.lonis.org) 09.24.57 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 09.25.07 # joecool: i believe it is reasonably fast but the cpu gets quite a bit more work to do when playing 96kHz/24bit compared to 44.1/16 09.26.06 # most is probably downsampling but the decode will take more time too, if you have any dsp enabled, disabling that might help 09.28.30 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.31.58 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 09.38.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.41.52 # joecool: The disk read code is as fine on G5.5/80 as on any other portalplayer based target. 09.42.38 Join caramel [0] (n=nup@user-vcausk6.dsl.mindspring.com) 09.42.38 # Only *writing* very small blocks suffers on them, but that doesn't matter for playback 09.42.47 # can anyone help me with patches? 09.43.01 # ive spent HOURS trying to figure this out and nothing i do works 09.43.35 # caramel: do you have a working build environment? 09.43.38 # i downloaded a custom unsupported too, and it obviously didnt have any patches because none of the patches woked 09.44.03 # no i cant get cygwin to behave... is there an alternative? 09.44.26 # caramel: yes, the vmware image, it's usually quite simple to get it going 09.45.20 # ok 09.46.24 # cygwin says its missing this: arm-elf-gcc 09.46.29 # * amiconn suddenly realised what might cause the remaining runtime penalty of rockbox on portalplayer 09.46.59 # caramel: did you follow the instructions and installed the packages from the rockbox mirror? 09.47.00 # Iirc the product brief states that the PP can do ATA DMA, but we don't do that ('cause we don't know how) 09.47.03 # amiconn: oooh 09.47.43 # So buffering is slower in rockbox, and hence the disk is spinning for longer periods 09.47.49 # i dunno it never said to do something like that in the tut im following 09.48.27 # * joecool hands amiconn a cookie 09.48.28 # you won a cookie! 09.48.48 # caramel: see step 3 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 09.49.36 # .... i'm tired 09.50.08 # In fact it's probably ATA controller setup in general. 09.50.27 # ooo, this isn't good... errors 09.51.00 # 2 weird artifacts... but who knows, it could just be reznor's doing... 09.51.03 # But DMA would be best, as it would reduce the CPU load for disk access 09.51.22 # oh no, this is weird 09.51.24 # and annoying 09.51.29 # and continuing 09.51.45 # amiconn: that should especially help when the cpu is under a heavy load already, right? 09.51.54 # how outdated are these tutorials? none of the things in the tutorial match up with what actually happens 09.52.45 # i flac'ed up the 96khz/24bit copy of the slip... but it occurred to me that I'm an idiot for not just getting the 44.1khz flac version provided 09.52.55 # as rockbox is just gonna downsample anyway 09.53.15 # only have one card in the house that can do 96khz/24bit 09.53.33 # *sigh* this is what happens when you don't sleep 09.53.38 # caramel: it is a wiki, you can register and fix it... 09.53.46 # *sigh* 09.54.16 # or just use the vmware thingy 09.54.27 # bah too much to download 09.59.30 # BAH HUMDUG 10.00.34 # n1s: yes 10.00.53 # well, that's just great :) 10.02.37 # Yup - if someone figures out how to do it, that is. 10.03.12 # amiconn: didn't MrH put some info about it in one of his documents? 10.04.45 # there's even a patch with 'experimental' dma support for the sansa sd slot 10.04.58 # That's something very different 10.05.18 # patching it may trigger exploding head syndrome 10.05.44 # * amiconn doesn't even understand how ATA DMA is supposed to work in general, unfortunately 10.10.05 # I do understand how a general purpose DMA engine as part of the SoC works. I also understand how ATA PIO modes work. 10.11.37 # However, I don't understand how ATA DMA allows the *disk* to dma to/from the host's memory, *through* the ATA controller 10.14.18 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 10.14.57 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 10.15.11 Quit mcuelenaere (Client Quit) 10.16.28 Nick JdGordon|afk is now known as JdGordon (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.17.41 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.17.46 # * linuxstb starts analysing the Clip's firmware, and it seems to load code to where external SDRAM should be mapped 10.19.22 # ok so i compiled the thing and it works now 10.19.25 # but i cant use make 10.19.35 # in cgywin i do make and it says command not found 10.19.40 # *cygwin 10.20.15 # Install the "gnu make" package? 10.20.23 # god damn it. 10.21.41 # under what would i probably find make? devel? or x11? 10.21.43 # how did you compile without make? 10.21.48 # idk 10.21.50 # i just did 10.21.54 # ../tools/compile 10.21.56 # and it did it 10.22.16 # * linuxstb wonders what caramel is compiling 10.22.20 # surely ../tools/configure 10.22.29 # which sets up the make file 10.22.37 # then make actually compiles it 10.22.40 # why do i have the feeling PATH is off.. 10.23.05 # caramel: What gets displayed if you type "echo $PATH" in cygwin? 10.23.19 # just make sure the makefile has the right compiler in it... half the time they're wrong when cross-compiling for the ipod 10.23.29 # this speaks from my old experiances with ipodlinux.... 10.23.37 # joecool: Huh? The Rockbox build system sets that up correctly. 10.24.04 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 10.24.11 # linuxstb: IPODLINUX... you know before rockbox ran on ipod... the land where nothing is automated 10.24.21 # joecool: that is what rockboxdev.sh is for - it builds them all for you, with all necessary patches 10.24.29 # joecool: Yes and this is #ROCKBOX 10.24.33 # joecool: #rockbox - where we talk about Rockbox.... 10.24.45 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.24.57 # is he using rockboxdev.sh, sure doesn't seem like it's working for him 10.25.01 Join axionix__ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 10.25.21 # the lack of make in cygwin has what to do with cross compilers? 10.25.42 # * linuxstb still waits for caramel to show us the output of "echo $PATH" 10.25.54 # configure doesn't work without the necessary compiler for the chosen build as far as I remember 10.26.04 # ... nevermind, i'm cramming for an exam and my head is fucked, i could just be reading things very wrong 10.26.08 # disregard past comments... 10.26.34 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.29.48 # so are there any objections to the new disktidy UI other than it being a viewer? 10.33.17 # linuxstb: /opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/cygdrive/c/PHP:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/QuickTime/QTSystem/:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Nmap 10.34.24 # thats the thing for echo $PATH 10.35.54 Quit axionix_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.14 # sooo yeah 10.37.46 # JdGordon: It just seems overly complex to me in general. I would be happy if it simply deleted everything for all OSes and didn't have any options/config file. 10.38.50 # caramel: That PATH looks file. So if typing "make" gives you a "command not found" error, then you'll need to find the Cygwin package that installs it. The Rockbox wiki should list all packages you need to install. 10.39.12 # linuxstb: well, forwhatever reason, some people might not want to remove all the files... 10.39.29 # Has anyone said that? 10.39.36 # AUUUGH I DID THAT 10.40.03 # AUUUGH 10.40.06 # caramel: you have clearly missed a package 10.40.30 # dammit 10.40.35 # The cygwin guide on the wiki lists all the packages you need to select etc. to get it to work 10.40.53 # although personally I preferred the VMWare image 10.41.27 # amiconn: For fdisk/formatting functionality on the AJBRv1 (to support large disks), I'm assuming that would need to be in the core, rather than as plugins? 10.41.53 # It can be a plugin 10.42.50 # The first partition would need to be created from the PC anyway, 'cause otherwise you couldn't install rockbox 10.43.17 # The plugin would have to perform the following tasks: 10.44.10 # (1) Check the partition table, whether the existing FAT32 partition is within the 128GiB range. Print error message and exit if not. 10.44.39 # (2) Create a second primary partition of type "hidden FAT32" 10.44.50 # (3) Format the second partition 10.45.10 # now im getting subversion errors 10.45.24 # gcc command not found 10.45.28 # DAMMIT 10.45.39 # It sounds like you missed lots of packages 10.46.02 Join GodEater [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 10.46.28 # (4) trigger mounting of the second partition (or simply print a hint to reboot) 10.46.34 # caramel: did you install cygwin according to our instructions? 10.46.50 # s 10.46.52 # caramel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 10.47.08 # caramel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots 10.47.16 # BigBambi: charging via DC adaptor *appears* to be working on th beast at the moment 10.47.24 # GodEater: good to know 10.47.46 # I made the mistake of trying to copy all my music onto it last night without plugging it in to the mains 10.47.53 # it powered off about halfway through ) 10.48.32 # did it power back on ok? 10.49.01 # no - I had to go find the DC adaptor 10.49.06 # there was no juice left at all 10.49.14 # I meant after plugging in :) 10.49.17 # oh yes 10.49.19 # just fine 10.49.22 # cool 10.50.14 # jhMikeS: found a nice cheap mr500 if you wanna help out the port? :D 10.50.54 # actually... wtf? i tihnk it may be a 100! guy says touchscreen, but 5gb and red control?! 10.52.02 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 10.52.43 # yes i installed with the instructions 10.53.09 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.57.03 # caramel: it sure doesnt look like it 10.57.09 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 10.57.20 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@layl001.digis.net) 10.58.06 # linuxstb: Btw, it's not only the AJBRv1, but all the HDD based SH1 archoses (i.e. also the Player, FM recorder, and Recorder v2) 11.00.32 # amiconn: Most (maybe all) of the code needed for such a plugin is in ipodpatcher now... 11.01.28 # oh? 11.03.11 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 11.03.30 # But it hasn't been sufficiently tested, which is why it isn't documented - it's intended to for conversion of ipods to FAT32. 11.04.21 # And as I don't know anything about FAT, it would be useful if someone who did could review the code... (plus fix it for 2048-sector ipods...) 11.04.50 # Ah, yes, there was that idea. Didn't know that the code was already in place... 11.05.01 # The fat specs are in the wiki... 11.05.23 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 11.06.02 # Well, if the code is already there, I think that feature should be completed, otherwise that code will never see enough testing... 11.06.19 # I think it is completed, just not advertised... 11.06.57 # * linuxstb goes to check the current state 11.07.05 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.07.27 # Yes, it's implemented - the "--convert" option 11.07.31 # What happens if I plug a HFS formatted ipod and tell ipodpatcher to install the rb bootloader? 11.08.04 # it will tell you that mac formatted ipods aren't supported 11.08.08 # or some crap like that 11.08.36 # Yes, it will warn you that Rockbox won't work on a MacPod, but let you proceed anyway (for IPL users using ipodpatcher) 11.09.03 # If the conversion code is in place, I'd expect ipodpatcher to ask whether it should convert to fat32 11.09.18 # linuxstb: the GigabeatSInstallation page is execellent :) 11.09.29 # Yes, that's the intention - once the --convert option has been tested. 11.09.31 # (of course with a big fat WARNING - CONVERSION WILL DELETE ALL DATA CURRENTLY ON THE IPOD) 11.10.04 # you should put something better on to freak people out 11.10.18 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.10.19 # WARNING - CONVERSION WILL CAUSE YOUR FACE TO FRIGGIN MELT 11.10.25 # something around those lines 11.10.28 # Nico_P: Thanks ;) 11.10.35 # * amiconn wouldn't want to freak people out 11.10.41 # joecool: can you please start being constructive? 11.11.13 # I have no idea how HFS works internally, but perhaps it would be possible to actually *convert* a HFS partition to FAT32 11.11.28 # 50% constructive... read previous comment, i'll get it up to about 90% for you :P 11.11.40 # There are partitioning tools which are able to do this for VFAT <-> NTFS 11.12.31 # amiconn: not possible, researched doing it... it *could* work if you have a ton of free space, just by moving data around the drive 11.12.47 # but you'd need over half free 11.13.37 # huh? 11.14.14 # I'd think that the majority of data blocks could stay where they are 11.14.24 # i've written scripts to do that on desktop... normally though nowadays i just make images of operating system partitions to quickly manage my systems 11.14.56 # Scripts won't do - you'd need to manipulate the raw partition contents of course 11.15.07 # amiconn: FAT is pretty easy to work with, just blocks with an allocation table, HFS isn't as simple 11.15.29 # amiconn: oh my solutions before were to move the data and manipulate the sizes of paritions 11.15.49 # shrink down, create new, copy, expand 11.15.52 # joecool: amiconn was talking about conversion 11.16.01 # directly 11.16.08 # hecne why he said “*convert*” 11.16.11 # hence 11.16.13 # Yes, in-place conversion 11.16.49 # BigBambi: that is conversion in a sense, still bitwise... not many filesystem converters out there because different filesystems have VERY different structures 11.17.02 # yes, i'm aware of that 11.17.06 # I do know that this often needs a little extra space (e.g. when converting to a FAT variant with large clusters, you have to redistribute the file slacks), but the majority of data stays in-place 11.17.09 # no dataloss in mine and to a user it looks just like conversion 11.17.20 # However, amicon gave the example of VFAT - NTFS directly 11.18.05 # joecool: yes, but either requires over half free, or takes for ever 11.18.09 # which is not practical 11.18.20 # joecool: Your method has 2 major drawbacks: (1) it only works if the partition is less than half full. (2) Since it involves copying *all* data, it's dead slow 11.18.44 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.57) 11.19.03 # amiconn: well.. it could be done with drive almost full, but that's even slower 11.19.09 # stupidly slow 11.19.14 # ...and still not practical 11.19.16 # so slow as to be a no go 11.19.32 # ok, ok... lets look at it another possible way 11.19.47 # ...which is what amiconn was doing in the first place... 11.19.49 # Even rather old versions of partition magic were able to convert between FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS in all combinations 11.20.15 # to go from HFS to FAT you'd just need to generate the allocation table then destroy the HFS data (journaling, superblock... etc) 11.20.26 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 11.21.24 # joecool: You might also need to redistribute the file slack space, as I already mentioned. This might involve moving some file data 11.21.29 # to go from FAT to HFS, you'd need to generate much more... and it's not documented as well 11.23.36 # its just messy, messy... nobody here is going to do it... we shouldn't even be talking about it... i'll go get breakfast 11.23.47 # ... 11.24.15 # ok its all compiled. when and how do i add plugins? 11.24.33 # caramel: plugins are compiled with the build 11.24.33 # sorry, i mean patches? 11.24.42 # you add patches before you cimpile 11.24.47 # compile 11.24.48 # DAMNNIT 11.25.02 # ok so what do i do to add in the patches? 11.25.18 # ima recompile 11.25.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 11.25.35 Join BigBambi_PC [0] (n=Alex@86.72.189.9) 11.26.01 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 11.26.47 # joecool: Btw, you'd also need to recreate all directories and directory entries 11.26.51 # ok ummmm i dont know i compiled it said its finished but the folder i compiled it in doesnt look like the usual rockbox files i put on my ipod 11.27.21 # caramel: 'make zip' 11.27.27 # ty 11.27.36 # caramel: read the link i pasted...it says all this and more 11.27.58 # It's sure a lot of work, but I know that there are tools (unfortunately not open) that do conversions this way, and it makes sense 11.34.42 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 11.36.23 # bmpresize = album art right? 11.36.28 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.36.49 # no....album art = album art 11.36.58 # bmp resize = resizing of bmps... 11.38.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.38.46 Join caramelcoated [0] (n=nup@user-vcausk6.dsl.mindspring.com) 11.39.09 # umm where can i find the rockbox startup .bmp? 11.40.47 # ?? 11.41.30 # like the pic that shows up when u restart the ipod 11.41.39 # wheres that picture file 11.42.06 # apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/ 11.42.23 # tyyy! 11.42.33 # You will then need to look at the "SOURCES" file in that directory, and determine (based on LCD size/depth) which file is used on your device. 11.42.50 # caramelcoated: please use real words 11.43.17 Join caramelcoated1 [0] (n=nup@user-vcausk6.dsl.mindspring.com) 11.43.18 # tyyy == thank you very much? 11.45.30 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 11.45.38 # yeahhh 11.45.39 # lol 11.45.57 # markun: Or maybe thanking three people? thank you, you, and you 11.46.40 # thank you, you yappers? 11.50.57 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.52.22 # im really comfused. do i install patches, before compiling, before running make, or after compile and make? 11.52.36 # the tutorial page is very confusing and not organized properly 11.53.10 # before as i already said...and “make” *is* the compiling 11.53.46 # aaugh its not because you do ./compile as a separate action from make! 11.53.54 # so they're NOT the same 11.54.08 # ....no you dont 11.54.10 # it goes ../tools/configure 11.54.13 # and then you do make 11.54.17 # you dont just do make 11.54.28 # yes...CONFIGURE 11.54.32 # not compile 11.54.41 # DAMN MY DYSLEXIA 11.54.47 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 11.54.50 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3d4e4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-732eb7ae62a50c6f) 11.54.59 # so anyays after compile? or before it? 11.55.01 # damn any dyslexia 11.55.14 # before 11.55.14 # caramelcoated: for the third time...before compiling... 11.55.27 # SO BEFORE CONFIGURING TOO? 11.55.33 Quit XbooX ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.55.43 # that doesnt matter 11.55.43 # caramelcoated1: the patch changes the source code, so if you apply it after compiling the source code it will not do anything 11.56.03 # well, if the patch changes the configure script than you should apply it before :) 11.56.04 # Hello. Reset A-B markers doesn't seem to work on my sansa e200. I press Power+Play but the markers are still here 11.56.17 # (but generally before it in case the patch modifies....what he said :) 11.57.04 Quit caramel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.57.06 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.57.12 # And I would say (after learning the repeat A-B mode) that the recently introduced 'study mode' lost its charme for me! 11.57.16 # caramelcoated1: which patch do you want to apply? 11.57.21 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.57.50 # the bmpresize 11.58.26 # but i cant find album art patch for the life of me 11.58.32 # hah! 11.58.39 # album art has long been integrated 11.58.59 # AUGH 11.59.09 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 11.59.27 # not bmpresize, though 12.00.03 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-64-139.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.01.11 Quit caramelcoated (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.50 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 12.18.25 # has anyone got a nano handy? 12.19.19 # * scorche waits for someone not heading to bed to speak up 12.20.02 # dw, found my sisters 12.20.47 # Is it a feature or a bug that in the A-B- repeat mode, pressing FWD jumps either to the beginning of the song or to the A mark but never to B or to the end of song? 12.21.58 # freeking marvelous... I cant reproduce this bug at all :'( 12.23.49 # JdGordon: A-B? I use sansa e200. 12.23.57 # no, a different one 12.24.06 # I dont know about that feature/bug 12.24.13 # Ah, so the thing I'm speaking of is a feature? 12.24.17 # sounds more like a feature though 12.27.20 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.27.20 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 12.27.29 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 12.33.10 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C0B4.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.34.55 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E7F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.40.37 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.51.45 Quit caramelcoated1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.52.42 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0315D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.56.47 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 13.05.40 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtb3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.25.45 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 13.25.50 Quit keanu (Remote closed the connection) 13.38.05 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.38.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.41.17 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet12.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.41.20 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6E7A.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.43.52 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host126-226-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.43.53 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 13.44.14 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-93-8.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.58.44 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-212-57.dsl.scarlet.be) 14.00.49 # pixelma: I've just read your post about metronome on the c200 being broken and hard to fix because of (I assume) plugin actions. Is anyone in favour of retaining the current method of using plugin actions? 14.03.26 # i thought it was decided it was a bad idea 14.04.52 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 14.05.03 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C0B4.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.05.09 # So did I, but I just want to check no-one is arguing in favour of keeping them... 14.06.46 # sorry, gotta run... there are a few devs who seem to like it (roolku, rasher, TiMiD) but I don't know.... 14.06.50 Part pixelma 14.18.13 Nick DerPapst_ is now known as DerPapst (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C0B4.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.29.44 Quit joecool (Remote closed the connection) 14.34.03 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 14.52.04 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.06 Join GodEater_ [50] (n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 14.59.51 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 15.01.42 Join ali_as_ [0] (n=as@ambix.plus.com) 15.04.46 # preglow: anything speaking against removing sv4-sv6 support from mpc? lots of code can be removed then... 15.04.59 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@ip565fbeaa.direct-adsl.nl) 15.05.24 # Buschel: Does it somehow hurt performance if it's left in? 15.06.31 # not really, bin size is about 6KB smaller. also: the actual sv8-decoder (not included into rockbox yet) does not support them either 15.06.48 # * Buschel think he is the only one who ever owned sv4-sv6 files 15.06.56 # *thinks 15.07.33 # * amiconn doesn't know anyone who uses musepack at all, but that's probably not representative 15.07.36 # I suppose you could remove it, and then if people complain, restore it... 15.07.56 # * linuxstb doesn't know anyone who doesn't use mp3... 15.08.14 # * Buschel doesn't use mp3 ;o) 15.08.28 # at least not on my dap 15.08.45 # * amiconn uses mp3, flac, and a bit of vorbis 15.08.48 # Nor do I... Although that may change if I get a 250GB drive for my Archos... 15.09.20 # i do own 15GB of mpc and some mp3's and flac's for performance tests 15.10.44 # * amiconn once tried mpc and vorbis in order to see whether transparent encodings yield lower bitrate on average than when using mp3 15.10.54 # The result was negative 15.11.43 # not for my ears -- but the psymodel is tweaked for my hearing ;o) 15.12.52 # in fact rockbox's mpc-support was the reason for buying a dap 15.13.22 # As the main musepack coder, you're certainly biased ;) 15.13.34 # * amiconn gtg 15.13.44 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") 15.21.10 Quit ali_as (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.32.10 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 15.38.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.39.41 Join Xqtftqx [0] (n=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9acaa598084ff442) 15.39.45 # hey 15.39.54 # how do i get into gigabeat s channel? 15.40.07 # hello!? 15.40.20 # #gigabea 15.42.02 # You can only access #rockbox using the Rockbox web client. 15.42.23 # So you need to install a real IRC client. 15.42.38 # oh 15.42.43 # ok thank you very much 15.43.19 # what port do i use in xchat? 15.45.17 # Xqtftqx: For general questions about irc or freenode, try here - http://freenode.net/ 15.46.54 # its ok 15.46.57 # i got it 15.47.01 Quit Xqtftqx ("CGI:IRC") 15.53.22 Join Xqtftqxt [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39c2c54443533eb4) 15.53.39 # can somebody send me the nk.bin file 15.53.41 # for the gigabeat s 15.57.09 # Xqtftqxt: This is an nk.bin built from the current Rockbox source - I haven't tested it though. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/nk.bin 15.57.42 # k 15.57.44 # thanks so much! 15.57.50 # ill try it 15.57.52 # so wait 15.57.58 # if the switch is off 15.58.05 # it wont format the drive? 15.58.23 # What do you mean? Which switch? 15.58.39 # on the bottom 15.58.49 # ON and OFF 15.58.51 # The battery switch? 15.58.57 # if i plug it in 15.58.59 # and patch 15.59.06 # will it format the hard drive? 15.59.15 # ahh nvm 15.59.18 # ive got a backup anyway 15.59.22 # ok well thank you so much 15.59.28 # i owe u one 15.59.30 # g2g 15.59.32 Quit Xqtftqxt ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.06.32 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 16.10.11 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.10.17 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-060-152-030.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.12.38 Join Xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e6444bf89ad2c01) 16.12.55 # linuxstb you mthere? 16.13.10 # you there* 16.15.37 # Can anybody help me out with the S? 16.16.23 # what's the problem? 16.16.46 # its in its not a problem 16.16.48 # but 16.16.56 # im installing rockbox on my gigabeat s 16.17.03 # and its in Bootloader mode now 16.17.06 # what do i do? 16.17.16 # i have to transfer the rockbox stuff right? 16.17.26 # yes... 16.17.32 # which ones 16.17.35 # im confused 16.17.43 # i put .rockbox dir from the wiki on there 16.17.46 # unplugged usb 16.17.49 # and it says 16.17.52 # "File not found" 16.18.08 # you're in rockbox' bootloader right now? 16.18.11 # yes 16.18.14 # it says 16.18.18 # "Bootloader USB mode" 16.18.23 # ok 16.18.43 # i found the TFAT partion 16.18.48 # and put the rockbox dir on there 16.18.50 # so its like 16.18.52 # just a quick note, please put more words in one line and ise less newlines 16.18.59 # *use 16.18.59 # k 16.19.13 # Xqtftqx: Did you read the GigabeatSInstallation wiki page? 16.19.18 # yeah 16.19.45 # Which TFAT partition did you extract the rockbox.zip file to? 16.19.54 # the bigger one 16.20.17 # So at the top-level of that drive, you have a new folder called ".rockbox", and inside there a file called "rockbox.gigabeat" ? 16.20.18 # ooohh.. an new page.. 16.20.22 # yeah 16.20.36 # What? 16.20.38 # Then you may have hit the same problem others have had.... 16.20.46 # ok 16.20.49 # what do i do? 16.21.08 # For an as yet unknown reason, the bootloader fails to find the rockbox.gigabeat file, even though it's there. 16.21.16 # hmmm 16.21.40 # It happened to me, and I just kept trying, using recovery mode to restore the original firmware, and doing the bootloader install again. It then suddenly worked... 16.21.53 # k 16.21.55 # ill try 16.22.01 # maybe put a rockbox tar on the device? 16.22.08 # maybe the bootloader finds that one 16.22.12 # Yah!!!!! 16.22.14 # It works 16.22.25 Join toens [0] (n=t@196-209-186-85-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) 16.22.30 # hnn 16.22.35 # and it stopped 16.22.38 # i unplugged the ac 16.22.40 # and it reset 16.22.48 # cause i forgot to flipp back the switch 16.22.57 # and now its doing the install again 16.22.57 # less newlines *cough* 16.23.27 # dang 16.23.31 # rockbox looks nice on this 16.23.36 # it did for like 2 seconds 16.23.39 # then it reset 16.23.42 # ill do the install again 16.23.48 # please. stop it 16.24.18 # what? 16.24.18 # use the return button less often. 16.24.23 # it's 16.24.27 # completely 16.24.30 # annoying 16.24.35 # oh sorry, im used to im windows. 16.25.12 # Ok it works now 16.25.53 # no more dang MTP! its the best day ever! 16.26.49 # Thank you so much everybody 16.26.53 Quit Xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.26.55 # :) 16.32.19 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-788ef74505b8f44a) 16.32.25 # ok im back 16.32.47 # ive got anthor problem, whenever i turn off the player, it goes to the firmware upgrade thing 16.32.53 Join curtmack [0] (n=curtmack@71.31.193.183) 16.34.02 Join loaderx [0] (n=63f3bc20@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c71a3e3b5efa3f21) 16.34.08 # hi 16.34.35 # My sansa e200 has no space left, and now rockbox is stuck at the loading screen 16.34.48 # wierd 16.35.20 # i was recording, and didnt realize my disk was full 16.35.35 # Question, I tried following the instructions on PluginMpegplayer for encoding with mencoder (for iRivier H10 20G if that helps), but the resulting video has a few problems 16.36.09 # a) it freezes and then skips ahead at random points 16.36.17 # even when played on my computer 16.36.36 # b) there's a very noticeable audio desynch 16.36.56 # * DerPapst has the same problems and gave up back then... :P 16.37.05 # *had 16.37.30 # loaderx: reset the e200 and throw some stuff off? 16.37.40 # also, when I try setting the FPS to 39, mencoder just says mpeg2 doesn't support 39 FPS 16.37.57 # derpast I tried that 16.38.02 # still stuck 16.38.40 # can't you connect it to your pc before resetting? this way it should go into the OFs disk mode 16.39.01 # it refreshes the database 16.39.04 # curtmack: why 39FPS? aren't 25 enough? 16.39.14 # but then it says not enough space 16.39.32 # and it just gives up? 16.39.40 # poor design of sandig! 16.39.46 # *sandisk 16.40.23 # looking at the table on PluginMpegplaer 16.40.26 # player 16.40.29 # can anybody help with my problem, my gigabeat one reboot without showing the firmware upgrade screen 16.40.59 # it suggests a framerate of 39 FPS for a 4:3 video 16.41.02 # loaderx: i'm not too familiar with the e200 (though i have one).. maybe you can access the drive in some recoverymode 16.41.08 # I managed to get the sansa in usb mode, and I deleted 80MB of stuff 16.41.17 # should I try 25? 16.41.31 # curtmack: worth a try 16.41.38 # but rockbox is still freezes and it says loading 16.41.53 # have you tried booting into the original firmware? 16.43.21 # do I need to reinstall rockbox? 16.45.48 # Can anybody help me out! 16.46.22 # * DerPapst doesn't know 16.46.51 # can rockbox add a disk full protection 16.46.58 # grr 16.47.12 # setting the framerate to 25 just introduced a ton of visual artefacts :P 16.47.56 # maybe try this NTSC rate... 29.xxx frames 16.47.56 # use 30 16.48.41 # wait a second 16.48.42 # hmm 16.50.27 # I wonder if the desynch exists in the original mpegs that I converted from FLVs... 16.50.29 Quit loaderx ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.50.43 # it occurs to me I never checked 16.51.56 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 16.52.40 # but that doesn't seem to be the problem 16.53.04 # nor did setting the framerate to 30 help 16.53.22 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.54.10 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 16.54.26 # xqtftqx: If your gigabeat wants to restore itself, you need to let it... You'll need to upload a nk.bin at the end of the process to finish the recovery. 16.54.38 # i did 16.54.41 # and rockbox loads 16.54.45 # then if i turn it off 16.54.48 # and turn it back on 16.54.53 # it says firmware upgrade 16.54.58 # and i supposed to just wait? 16.55.02 # How are you turning it off? 16.55.18 # the power buttom 16.55.22 # just holding it down 16.55.38 # and it says "shutting down" then if i turn it on again it says 16.55.46 # "firmware upgrade and restore" please wait 16.56.18 # how can i fix this? 16.56.20 # When you install Rockbox, are you making any changes to the disk layout (partition table etc)? 16.56.29 # i didnt 16.56.37 # what do you mean 16.56.49 # i ran the patched v updater 16.56.57 # and put the rockbox dir on there 16.56.59 # thats it 16.57.01 # OK, I've no idea about that, I just use sendfirm. 16.57.05 # nothing more nothing less 16.57.09 # im not under linux 16.57.26 # can i send it via a cywig session? 16.57.41 # No. 16.57.44 # dang 16.57.47 # can i open a vm 16.57.58 # and from there sync the usb ports then send it? 16.58.00 # Maybe, but your vm would need low-level USB access. 16.58.24 # what the free Wmware do it? 16.58.35 # whould* 16.59.02 # I don't know, I use native Linux. 16.59.13 # which version? 16.59.16 # can i use a live cd? 17.00.08 # so wait 17.00.14 # i but it into recovery mode? 17.00.20 # or just let it sit and do sendfirm 17.01.44 # can you send me the compiled sendfirm utilitie? 17.03.20 # Hello, are you there? 17.11.27 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.12.40 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E7F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.12.44 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.12.58 # anybody here!!! 17.14.11 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.15.27 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E7F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.15.48 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 17.15.52 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.16.16 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.19.06 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4E218.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.19.50 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 17.21.34 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel) 17.28.18 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB03D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.37.33 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.38.52 # * kugel just got a weird error while compiling the sim 17.38.57 # "chmod: changing permissions of `/home/diablo/share/rbdev/rockbox_pictureflow/sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.codec': Operation not permitted" 17.39.31 # did you compile as root the previous time ? 17.39.43 # no, it's a clean svn 17.40.08 # I checked that file, it's user and group match my username 17.40.16 # its* 17.42.44 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7bb0e9536f5d9cc9) 17.43.01 # can anybody help me with this problem ive bean having 17.43.31 # or send me a compiled sendfirm 17.43.57 # xqtftqx: sorry I can't help you, I tried to compile sendfirm but I don't have libmtp installed 17.44.10 # can you download it? 17.44.12 # xqtftqx: Could you concisly, without using the enter key as punctuation, outline the problem? I couldn't really follow you before? 17.44.33 # I can upload a sendfirm if necessary 17.45.59 # ok, ive downloaded the patched V updater, put the compiled nk.bin file in there, ran the install.bat, it entered usb bootloader mode, then i out the .rockbox dir in there, rockbox booted, i turned off the player, and when i turned it on, i got the Firmware Upgrade Screen. 17.46.02 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-132.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 17.46.24 # xqtftqx: and you are using linux or windows? 17.46.38 # i can switch 17.46.47 # windows perferably 17.46.53 # ok, well linux for sendfirm :) 17.47.04 # ok i switch 17.47.08 # k 17.47.11 # send the file 17.47.21 # ill move it over to me linux computer 17.48.12 # http://aeparker.com/files/sendfirm 17.48.25 # k thank you 17.48.30 # no problem 17.48.30 # ill try 17.48.39 # Be Back in a sec 17.52.02 # k 17.52.06 # i but it in a directory 17.52.37 # and used Xshell to go into that dir, and i type "sendfirm nk.bin" and it says "Bash File Not Found" 17.52.57 # chmod + x ./sendfirm 17.52.58 # "./sendfirm nk.bin" 17.53.06 # then ./sendfiirm nk.bin 17.53.10 # ij 17.53.38 # what do i replace x with? 17.53.45 # eh? 17.53.50 # it says 17.53.54 # "x" is not found 17.53.58 # sorry 17.54.03 # * gevaerts removes a space 17.54.06 # chmod +x sendfirm 17.54.13 # a space slipped in there :) 17.54.18 # ok ill try that 17.55.24 # still not found 17.55.32 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008050509]") 17.55.36 # ./sendfirm 17.55.37 # then did you do ./sendfirm nk.bin 17.55.46 # yeah 17.55.53 # hold on ill try something out 17.55.58 # always add "./" infront of sendfirm 17.58.15 # error while loading shared libraries libmtp.so.7 17.58.29 # you need to hqve libmtp instqlled :) 17.58.36 # which distribution? 17.58.45 # idk 17.58.46 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 17.59.00 # lol, ummm how can i install via command line? 17.59.28 # Do you know what linux you are using? Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora.... 18.00.10 # type "uname -a" in the terminal 18.00.30 # sorry, I didn't mean that 18.01.05 # Debian 18.01.09 # ok 18.01.57 # so as root, run "apt-get install libmtp7 18.04.08 # Chould Not find packadge 18.05.42 # xqtftqx: try downloading the sendfirm from http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/sendfirm 18.06.03 # It's compiled statically, so it should work without having libmtp installed 18.06.28 # gevaerts: cheers 18.06.42 # xqtftqx: out of interest, which version of debian? 18.06.46 # idk 18.07.07 # im gonna see if i can tweak rockbox 18.07.09 # "cat /etc/*-release" 18.07.12 # to not do this 18.07.14 # and please use full words 18.07.20 # to not do what? 18.07.39 # show the firmware upgrade screen whenever i reset the device 18.08.08 # good luck 18.08.23 # can i boot from a ubuntu cd and flash the firmware? 18.08.38 # you don't want to flash anything 18.08.50 # ok... 18.08.53 # well wait 18.08.56 # it rebooted! 18.08.58 # but yes, I assume the live cd works well enough to upload the firmware 18.09.00 # i may have done it 18.09.23 # on the small partion 18.09.29 # i see eboot and recovery 18.09.37 # isnt there supposed to be a nk.bin 18.09.53 # yes 18.10.03 # xqtftqx, please put complete thoughts on one line; don't use the enter key as punctuation 18.10.14 # its not there, and sorry 18.10.17 # krazykit: this has been mentioned a few times :/ 18.10.56 # xqtftqx: nk.bin is the firmware, are you telling us it booted without it? 18.11.02 # i know, im just crazy, im used to the enter key alot, ill try not to press it as much 18.11.03 Quit obo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.11.10 # theres no nk.bin on the device 18.13.59 # xqtftqx: and you are looking at in via Rockbox bootloader USB? 18.15.02 # yes 18.15.11 # i can load rockbox 18.15.17 # but after i turn off my device 18.15.19 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 18.15.34 # i get the firmware upgrade screen, but rockbox is still there 18.15.46 # then I don't understand. Rockbox usb bootloader mode is within nk.bin 18.15.59 # i know 18.16.02 # its wierd 18.19.03 # BigBambi can you rebuild nk.bin for me? i can try that 18.19.49 # http:/aeparker.com/files/nk.zip 18.19.58 # with another / of course 18.20.03 # k 18.20.20 # is there a list of event numbers? 18.20.39 # yesterday I got an error "PANIC! event 257 not found" 18.22.43 # Ok its installing, lets hope this one works 18.23.33 Quit curtmack () 18.23.39 # thats the one for the orginal firmware 18.23.45 # i ment the rockbox one 18.24.11 # wait 18.24.15 # its working!!!!!! 18.24.16 # xqtftqx: no, that is a dual boot one 18.24.20 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 18.24.30 # i had the single boot one 18.24.36 # Yeah!!!! 18.24.42 # thanks so much!!! 18.25.05 # no problem 18.25.19 # Its awsome thanks 18.25.28 # easy on the ! key too 18.25.43 # sorry, im very happy 18.25.54 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable002.173-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 18.26.25 # Ok, thanks very much 18.26.27 # g2g 18.26.32 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.31.36 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@ip72-194-223-209.sb.sd.cox.net) 18.34.03 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 18.36.44 Quit midgey () 18.40.54 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 18.59.18 Join Synergy6 [0] (n=Synergy6@0-1b-24-4c-ae-79.hb.esol.dur.ac.uk) 18.59.55 Join BlackShuck [0] (n=email@mgillespie.plus.com) 19.00.30 # Anyone know if Sony NW-A3000 is supported by Rockbox? The Sony firmware sucks badly. 19.01.08 # * bertrik spots no sony in the supported targets table 19.01.43 # * BlackShuck looked in supported, unsupported, inactive lists, and came up with nothing 19.01.56 # That's a good hint :) 19.02.11 # * BlackShuck thought he might get a straigh answer in IRC, rather than bitching.. 19.02.20 Part BlackShuck 19.03.17 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 19.18.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet15.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 19.18.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.19.42 # hey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music) 19.19.55 # err.. vorbis rather, to be precise 19.20.35 # iirc it works well on 3G iPods... there is a codec comparison page somewhere on the wiki 19.21.52 # but i have no idea where this page is 19.22.18 # * DerPapst is obviously too stupid to search for wiki pages 19.23.51 # ... 19.24.04 # hmm.. yeah.. I've been having trouble with that.. 19.24.06 # too 19.24.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison but it doesn't list that kind of ipod 19.24.59 # there's one page where there are conflicting reports.. "ogg works fine", and then, separately, "buffer underuns" 19.25.22 # I'm going to give it a shot and have him send it. worst-case scenario it's another external hard drive 19.25.33 # i have no oggs myself, otherwise i could tell 19.26.12 # I play oggs (on a sansa e260) and I have no problem with them whatsoever 19.26.44 # pp502X > pp5002 19.26.45 # also planning to get an ipod mini 2g with a dead microdrive, though, and replace the microdrive with a 32GB CF.. that should at least carry all of my psytrance and electro-house 19.27.57 # bertrik: it's good to know that the sansa ports have come along.. last I checked (2 years back probably), the status was "SanDisk wants us to do a port, but hasn't supplied any resources" 19.27.57 # the pp5002 (3G) is "weaker" then the pp502X series (e200) 19.28.08 # that I'm aware of 19.28.28 # and for a while it was a question of whether or not the ogg decoder could be sufficiently optimized to run on pp5002 19.28.47 # ok, sorry, wasn't aware of that 19.29.05 # nothing to be sorry about 19.29.17 # iirc amiconn has some on his 2G iPod 19.30.14 # * n2aag has fun optimizing algorithms on occasion.. 19.30.53 # * DerPapst waits for n2aag to optimize the OGG decoder 19.32.21 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.32.43 # it's always fun to see how much you can keep in the registers and avoid reading/writing from/to RAM 19.33.19 # * DerPapst wants n2aag to join rockbox development 19.33.46 # n2aag: if you spot something that can be optimised, I think you'll be welcome to do so 19.33.49 # once I get some sort of device, I just might :> 19.34.03 # I don't know how much optimisation effort went into the various codecs already 19.35.26 # I do like the monolithic nature of rockbox.. certainly appropriate for DAPs and it must simplify the build system tremendously 19.37.15 # well, there're still the plugins and codecs which aren't compiled in. 19.37.31 # ah.. 19.38.47 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 19.38.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.40.00 Quit csc` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.40.03 # well.. I should probably do some real work today. off to library to study for the last of my exams. thanks for the info DerPapst, bertrik 19.40.18 # you're welcome :-) 19.40.39 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 19.41.04 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3dd7fd8abdce0d92) 19.41.23 # i would expect ogg to run quite well on the pp5002 19.41.43 # its well optimized, and makes good use of IRAM which is the main requirement for good 5002 performance 19.41.45 Quit n2aag ("Client exiting") 19.42.10 Quit advcomp2019 ("Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!") 19.42.16 # good to know ;-) 19.45.19 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.46.05 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E7F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.06 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.46.29 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 19.48.41 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.53.32 Join borges [0] (n=bruges@brln-4d0c23da.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.55.00 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.55.56 Quit bertrik ("reboot to linux") 19.56.07 Nick borges is now known as borges|afk (n=bruges@brln-4d0c23da.pool.mediaWays.net) 20.01.43 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (n=AndreeBu@p54A3E7F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.02.54 # preglow: you there? 20.05.23 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 20.12.19 Join Darkneo [0] (n=neokid90@unaffiliated/Darkneo) 20.12.33 # are there any pictures of rockbox in use? 20.14.56 # The manual contains screenshots, if that's what you mean 20.16.30 # gevearts: btw, I've enabled your USB-code on my 5.5G yesterday. still works unstable here.. but: when it works I get transfer rates about 5000KB/sec :o) (w2k via hub) 20.18.48 # * Buschel is having a hard time with someone else's seeking code for musepack :/ 20.19.04 # Unstable in what way ? Hubs, random chance, ... ? 20.20.05 # gevearts: hangups of the explorer for some time. these can take some while -- during these hangups the transfers are stopped 20.20.23 # gevearts: did not test without the hub yet 20.20.44 # gevaerts: reading worked far better than writing 20.20.54 # ok, then it's probably the same sort of hub issue that amiconn is seeing 20.21.06 # it's a non powered hub 20.22.06 # That shouldn't make a difference, except that windows is actually not allowed to enumerate it then :) (we ask for (but don't use) 500mA, which an unpowered hub can't provide) 20.25.58 Quit BigBambi_PC ("Leaving") 20.27.54 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.29.51 Join Crayzie [0] (n=debian@cpe-76-181-121-122.columbus.res.rr.com) 20.36.19 Join moos [0] (n=c40cd988@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b0ff9297467cc4c4) 20.53.07 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.00.17 Quit bertrik ("Ex-Chat") 21.01.01 # heh 21.01.15 # i just loaded a theme that loaded a corrupted or nonexistent font 21.01.29 # anyone want to help me nav the menus? 21.02.23 # oh jeez 21.02.27 # i need to take a photo of this 21.02.29 # it's impressive 21.02.37 # more likely it set the font color to the same color as your background. What device are you experiencing this problem on? 21.02.50 # Or are you actually seeing characters, just jumbled? 21.03.39 # iPod 5G 21.03.43 # build from a night or two ago 21.03.55 # im'm on a train, heh - gettign the photo clear is going to be tough 21.04.04 # i have what look like random noise blocks for text 21.04.04 # heh 21.04.25 # You can clear your settings by turning on the hold switch as soon as the backlight comes on after rebooting your ipod. 21.04.48 # You can reset the settings by rebooting, and after the apple logo, during the bootloader, but before rockbox starts flipping the hold switch to the on (red) position. 21.04.57 # ki'm going to see if a reboot does it 21.05.12 # ... "please wait, very low battery" 21.05.20 # intersting - my last shutdown apparently wasn't an actual shutdown 21.06.06 # I charged this up last night, booted into rockbox, held 'play' - and now its in low-battery-mode 21.06.27 # so much for 'bring the ipod along for the 8 hour train ride' =] 21.06.31 # you mean apple's pretty icon of a depleted battery? 21.06.38 # soap: yeah 21.06.48 # That is an Apple bug, force a reset. 21.06.50 # OF stuff, i know 21.06.52 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@190-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 21.06.57 # am doing sdo 21.07.15 # haven' seen that one before 21.10.56 # seems to happen if i load a theme, then load a second theme with a font file that's not present 21.11.03 # but not if i load the theme with hte missing font first 21.13.04 # What is the symptom? No font or garbled font? 21.13.16 # jhMikes, I found the line that removes almost all of the power consumption on the gigabeat F 21.13.31 # kkurbjun: what was it? 21.13.47 # it's in pcm-meg-fx.c 21.13.50 # garbled font 21.14.03 # line 188 21.14.10 # IISMOD = (1<<9) | (1<<8) | (2<<6) | (1<<3) | (1<<2) | (1<<0); 21.14.12 Join davina^ [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 21.14.15 # soap: i'll upload the photo i took,m but it's UGLY 21.14.23 # Overand: I think I have had the same bug once 21.14.23 # that's for the initial power consumption before playback is started 21.14.42 # that makes me think that I need to setup some things like the uart which I'm neglecting right now 21.15.19 # I'm not entirely sure why that would have such an effect on power though.. 21.15.36 # Overand: I've put it on my todo, but as with so many things never work on it 21.16.42 # markun: http://overand.com/rockbox-ugly.jpg 21.17.18 # Considering I took that just now on a train, and used dcraw / imagemacking on my eeepc blindly and SCIPed it up to my servef over my PCS gismo all while VIBRATING due to america's poor trail system, not too bad 21.18.20 # Stop making excuses for your poor composition. You need to learn about proper use of negative space. ;) 21.18.26 # s/trail/rail./ 21.18.28 # soap: heh 21.18.42 # But yea, that isn't the font issue I had a solution for. markun it is. 21.19.10 # I'm semi-willing to test builds. 21.19.29 # It's 3:19 EST and I'm on this train 'til 10:00 EST 21.20.09 # But I absolitely cannot submit patches, due to... you know, sucking at programming (; 21.20.37 # I can send the theme / wps i was using, if that helps, too 21.20.54 # Overand: yes, it looked the same here 21.21.43 # sexy stuffs. 21.21.51 # kkurbjun: yes, crazy that the power consumtion is so high 21.21.54 # I should look at the new themes and hack on my personal rev of 'kelp' some more 21.22.17 # markun, do you know much about the pcm DMA stuff? 21.22.31 # no, not really 21.22.45 # what about it? 21.23.14 # well, I wanted to know if there was a way the code could be rearranged so that some of this initialization stuff happens on startup 21.24.21 # I'm not familiar with it though.. I guess I'll wait till jhMikes comes around so I can ask him 21.25.09 # kkurbjun: some of the other drivers have a audiohw_init function 21.25.18 # ah, no 21.27.57 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 21.28.17 Part DefineByte ("Bye all") 21.28.19 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.29.45 Quit simonrvn ("new kernel") 21.33.43 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.168.77) 21.38.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.39.48 Join Xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-248da06f8ac30f82) 21.40.03 # has anybody got doom running ont he gigabeat s? 21.40.06 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 21.41.39 # i did a sync in itunes with my ipod, and i have a local library for 5161 songs, but my ipod shows only 5145 songs. I do not understand 21.41.42 Join DefineByte [0] (n=defineby@bb-87-81-195-5.ukonline.co.uk) 21.41.52 Part DefineByte ("Bye all") 21.44.17 # markun, I just committed a fix for high power at startup on the F 21.44.31 # i guess it is duplicates 21.44.47 # it seems that the IIS registers don't respond to modification without a clock present to the submodule 21.46.24 Quit toens () 21.46.34 # I don't know how the I2S interface works exactly, but it appeared that this was caused by contention possibly.. 21.47.24 Quit Xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.56.24 Quit moos ("CGI:IRC") 21.56.36 # yeal`, perhaps some of your songs were purchased from itunes with DRM? 21.59.58 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3027.gwdg.de) 22.02.35 Quit bertrik ("bye") 22.04.25 # kkurbjun: I don't exacly recall what that turns on. Which part of it is messed? 22.06.53 # jhmikes, I committed the fix 22.07.07 # I think that the problems was in the dma_init stuff 22.07.24 # the IIS config registers were being changed whithout aclock 22.07.32 # and I think there was contention on the IIS pins 22.08.04 # ah, it's need to be setup earlier 22.08.13 # I double checked to see if it was caused by the IIS pins changing to function pins and when they were left as inputs they didn't show the high consumption 22.08.42 # so I think the idle bit was actually not taking effect till the clock was fed to the IIS interface 22.08.43 # so it's setup before setting the codec to master mode? 22.09.02 # strange thing is that if you setup the IIs interface without a clock and then enable it later it doesn't work 22.09.29 # hmm, I don't know about that, I'm not familiar with the codec code 22.10.08 # I think the power would still be low if you wrote in the slave bit with the clock enabled 22.10.12 # kkurbjun: it's quite normal to require module clocking in order to write regs and have them take effect internally 22.10.16 # just the slave bit that is 22.10.29 # yep, it seemed reasonable to me 22.10.52 # I don't see how all the logic would work without a clock :-D 22.11.27 # I wouldn't have found it though without the jtag stuff to step through the code 22.11.34 # remote gdb is nice 22.12.22 Join kakazza [0] (n=kakazza@unaffiliated/kakazza) 22.15.26 # the driver had been like that ever since I first saw it 22.16.15 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 22.16.45 # yeah, no worries, it's not something I think anyone would have suspected to cause such high power 22.17.15 # good thing it didn't fry anything come to think of it :) 22.17.28 # now I need to figure out why the player is still consuming quite a bit when stopped "properly" :( 22.17.35 # :-D, yeah definately 22.18.05 # btw, will poweroff end up returning? there's no while(1); guard at the end 22.19.07 # perhaps modules should be stopped first and then unclocked 22.20.40 Nick borges|afk is now known as borges (n=bruges@brln-4d0c23da.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.21.10 # I think it will return.. I wish I had an idea what module is causing the high power though.. I can't debug when the processor stops - the power consumption is at 40 mA with the proc stopped. Shutting down the modules is a good idea, I'm starting by looking at the pins that are setup as functions to see if I can spot anything with them 22.21.48 # right now i'm suspecting that there is some contention when powered down since this power seems in the range of the IIS problem 22.24.21 # I think poweroff throughout the system in general need to be cleaner and drivers shut down. Things are turned on in audiohw_init but not turned off in audiohw_close. likewise for other external switches. 22.25.52 # what happens to GPIO pins in SLEEP mode anyway 22.27.14 # they stay in their previous state 22.31.11 # ouch, so then they can leave the HD powered and such? 22.31.37 # yep, it would be possible 22.32.01 # like I said, it's about 40 mA of power 22.32.19 # the player is showing 45/46 mA right now idle 22.32.46 # do you have any idea what might consume that much? 22.35.26 Quit Darkneo () 22.36.36 # not off hand other than to start powering off the various bits and see 22.38.36 Join Xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df54ba0c5704054d) 22.38.55 # Does anybody have doom working on the gigabeat s yet? 22.39.11 # I'd think it should work now but can't promise an ideal keymap 22.40.05 # what? 22.43.54 # er, doom?.... 22.44.22 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180069229.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.44.49 # hmmm, guess not. it freezes at "Initializing Graphics Engine" 22.45.04 # never mind :) 22.45.10 # * jhMikeS updates the plugin to be sure 22.45.32 # Xqtftqx: when it is made to work, it shall be committed and you will see it on the front page 22.45.53 # XavierGr: However, I imagine (and hope!) that is a low priority 22.46.40 # sorry, @ Xqtftqx 22.47.46 Nick BitTorment__ is now known as BitTorment (n=martin@87-194-94-92.bethere.co.uk) 22.47.52 # nope, it really isn't working too well 22.48.43 # my gigabeat is running rockbox now 22.48.48 # and its working ok 22.49.02 # only problem is 22.49.05 # * jhMikeS was talking about doom 22.49.06 # to charge 22.49.09 # oh 22.49.18 # k ill go rebuild the soruce 22.49.21 # Xqtftqx: Please STOP using the enter key as punctuation 22.49.37 # Lol, sorry. 22.49.47 # Xqtftqx: why? It still doesn't work 22.50.10 # Rockbox works now thanks to you, but doom get stuck at "Starting Graphics Engine" 22.50.14 # Xqtftqx: And we know charging doesn't work yet. The port is in an early stage still, and not really suitable for non devs 22.50.33 # yeah it whould realy help if it was chargin 22.50.39 # We know 22.50.52 # and BigBambi can you rebuild the MultiBoot nk.bin 22.51.00 # no, sorry 22.51.03 # Theres a upgrade is says 22.51.11 # * jhMikeS just installed a nuclear pack and doesn't have to charge to the next 15000 yeard 22.51.19 # jhMikeS: hehe :) 22.52.01 # BigBambi how many more days do you think till a official realse? 22.52.03 # Xqtftqx: But seriously, it is a port in progress. Until it is official, please don't report lots of bugs - it isn't finished yet 22.52.17 # Xqtftqx: that is completely impossible to guess 22.52.29 # people work on Rockbox in their spare time, as volunteers 22.52.35 # When it is done, it will be done 22.52.52 # Ok 22.52.52 # Ok 22.52.52 # Ill try to work on it to 22.53.08 # I suggest starting with how to compile 22.53.16 # i can compile everything fine 22.53.23 # except the bootloader it seems 22.53.31 # exept the bootloader, where i get tons of errors 22.53.32 # Or why did you ask me for one? 22.53.40 # i did...... 22.53.54 # Earlier Today, you sent me the multiboot one 22.54.03 # I'm aware of this.... 22.54.27 # If you look at the timestamps of those messages, they are 1 second apart, we were clearly typing at the same time 22.54.28 # Ok, but whats the changes i see for the bootloader on the rockbox main site 22.54.35 # Just what they say 22.54.46 # Xqtftqx: Please, it isn't ready yet 22.55.03 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.55.10 # What did i do? I asked you what the changes were 22.55.20 # and I answered... 22.55.33 # The changes were described in the commit message... 22.55.41 # Alright Then.... 22.55.57 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.56.18 # Xqtftqx: My point is, it is not complete. The developers know what there is left to do, and reporting 'bugs' on unfinished builds is not so useful 22.56.20 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e3b844545661bed) 22.56.24 Quit soap () 22.56.34 # Hold on, i want you to look at these errors 22.56.44 # a please would be nice... 22.56.56 # please 22.57.04 # should 4kB of IRAM be enough for the core, plugins and codecs? (DM320 is the CPU if you're wondering) 22.57.49 Quit ender` (" I'm a complex person. I have a real and an imaginary part.") 22.58.01 # mcuelenaere: I don't think it will work with the other targets that use iram 22.58.15 # the ipods have quite a bit if I'm thinking straight 22.58.20 # mcuelenaere: if the cpu/sdram is fast, then rockbox doesnt need much iram.. as far as i know 22.59.36 # mcuelenaere: I was wondering if that DMA code for the ata driver can be done a little higher up so other dm320 targets can take advantage of it 22.59.50 # I havn't looked at it in too much depth though.. 23.00.35 # kkurbjun: what do the other targets have to do with the use of IRAM for the DM320? 23.00.47 # and about the ata DMA code, it is not working for me atm :( 23.00.49 # mcuelenaere: small IRAM targets generally don't use IRAM much or at all unless they need it for some function 23.00.56 # mcuelenaere: there are IRAM defines in the code that you would have to ifdef if there's not enough 23.01.11 # for example rockboy uses quite a bit of iram 23.01.23 # and we would have to add in ifdefs for a smaller iram targer 23.01.29 # ah ok 23.01.40 # currently the only way to control the iram usage is the use defines 23.02.01 # it would be nice if there was a way to prioritize things and put what fit in when possible 23.02.03 # eventually IRAM should be overhauled based on the amount available, now that we have targets with just a few KB, 96KB, 128KB and probably soon several hundred KB or more 23.02.03 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 23.02.06 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.03.16 # __attribute__ ((section(".icode_p1"))), __attribute__ ((section(".icode_p2"))), etc.. ? 23.03.40 # @kkurbjun 23.03.43 # that's a possiblity 23.03.56 # it would be really nice to have it automated 23.04.02 # but I don't know how you would implement that 23.04.07 # but it would require a lot of code rewriting :) 23.04.16 # having IRAM_96K, IRAM_128K, IRAM_320K defines might make sense 23.04.34 # or #if IRAM > 96 etc 23.04.37 # where any target with at least that much has it defined 23.04.43 # I don't like having more cases in the code 23.04.49 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 23.04.55 # otherwise you get DRAM 23.05.08 # generally iram only helps with certain code/data 23.05.24 # so having say 320 K won't necessarily help you 23.05.30 # would the USB driver benefit of IRAM usage ? (ie quick response time) 23.05.40 # I mean the low-level code 23.06.09 # I am not sure, I would ask gevaerts 23.06.13 # kkurbjun: having 320K of IRAM would be very nice in some of the codecs 23.06.39 # we could basically run them out of IRAM and save a good deal of pwoer 23.07.12 # saratoga, has it been shown that much power will be saved running everything from iram? 23.07.27 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.07.29 # I would asskume that it would, but I guess a measurement would be nice 23.07.35 # assume 23.07.53 # kkurbjun: it greatly reduces the clock cycles needed on coldfire and the pp5002, and reduces it still quite a lot on PP50XX 23.07.55 # I was thinking if there was a way to take care of the iram size on the linker level 23.08.13 # newer ARM targets have nice caches so the impact of IRAM is much less, but its still very useful 23.08.33 # I'm not sure, but I think something like that should really be researched before someone starts adding in a ton of #ifdefs 23.08.40 # because codecs often stream through data using it only once before storing, in which case cache doesn't help you at all 23.08.43 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.08.50 # small, repetitive code loops aren't benefitted much by IRAM 23.09.00 # kkurbjun: you don't need to #ifdef anything 23.09.07 # you can just expand the current IBSS_ATTR defines 23.09.47 # for example, "static complex_t Z1[512] IBSS_ATTR;" becomes "static complex_t Z1[512] IBSS_ATTR_128K" so that its only allocated in IRAM on 128K or larger targets, and becomes DRAM elsewhere 23.09.47 # doing it at the linker level doesn't let you prioritize IRAM usage either 23.10.05 # this is how we handle the gigabeats already 23.10.35 # yep, I know how the gigabeat is handled, that is possible.. 23.10.35 # mcuelenaere: I seem to recall gevaerts playing with IRAM in the USB driver, and assume that since it's not in use it turned out to not be a significant enough factor, but I'm not sure. 23.10.59 # saratoga: the other concern is what to do when we get a number of targets that have a number of different sizes 23.10.59 # at a side benefit, this can be implemented in the current codecs using a simple find and replace since 23.11.01 # but it's a complete "faking" of IRAM and libmad still has a #define to prevent assembly portions from actually going into the iram section 23.11.07 # -s 23.11.12 # Llorean: the reason I'm referring to putting it in IRAM, is as the OF does it 23.11.26 # but I mean the interrupt handler, not the whole higher level USB code 23.11.29 # jhMikeS: yes ideally we'd want some way to tell the linker to not blow up when we try to link into fake IRAM 23.11.33 # the faking doesn't actually function like it should 23.11.34 # saratoga: I like the idea considering the current targets we have, but what about the future? 23.11.37 # saratoga: It's not as simple as "IBSS_ATTR_128K" - how IRAM should be prioritised also depends on the CPU and its cache(s). 23.11.41 # that ifdef in MAD is actually my doing :) 23.11.56 # linuxstb: can you elaborate? 23.11.57 # mcuelenaere: Well if you search the IRC logs, I think you'll find a discussion relating to it, though I couldn't hazard to begin to guess when it was now. 23.12.13 # saragtoga: then you add *(.ibss) into the bss area, etc. 23.13.58 # saratoga: e.g. Coldfire only has an instruction cache, no data cache. So there it can be better to use IRAM for data. 23.14.43 # linuxstb: yes but its also better to use IRAM for data on PP too 23.15.11 # the caches are different, but the optimization strategy is nearly always the same 23.16.18 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 23.17.17 # I think another way this could be done is to say there are perhaps 4 or more priority levels for data, instruction, and const. The code that goes in each priority would be based on profiling 23.17.45 # then we take say priority 1 data, code, and const and always put it in IRAM 23.17.52 # isn't that basically what i'm proposing ? 23.18.04 # yes, but without a define to say the ammount 23.18.17 # you still need to tell the linker about IRAM . . . 23.18.25 # this would allow us to pick the priorities you want for each target 23.18.40 # we can make watever section names we want for the linker 23.18.58 # i mean either way you're still going to have to say "int variable_name iram_level" 23.19.34 # * jhMikeS sees crt0.S depends on the presence of _iramend :\ 23.19.37 # so if say data is more important on a target we would only focus on p1 for code, and forget all the rest of the lower levels to focus on lower level data 23.20.08 # saratoga: I've found IRAM on PP very unpredictable - in many cases, putting things in IRAM has made negligible difference, or even slowed things down. 23.20.24 # linuxstb: yes i've observed that as well 23.20.35 # saratoga, yes, I was just suggesting a way to prioritize it based on the target's strengths 23.20.47 Join ajkessel [0] (n=adam@whitehail.bostoncoop.net) 23.20.52 # thats really not going to work very well 23.20.58 # kkurbjun: how do I remove the _iramend references from there without breaking crt0.S? 23.21.02 # you pretty much have to test each variable to see, particularly on PP 23.21.21 Quit davina^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.21.36 # linuxstb: i suspect that certain addressing modes incur some sort of latency when used on variables in IRAM 23.21.46 # though i've never bothered to look into it 23.22.11 # jhMikeS: the F doesn't use it anymore 23.22.24 # why are you trying to remove the references? 23.22.38 # because i've noticed that putting things like VLC decode tree parsing in IRAM are slower, while putting code that does load multiple/store multiple ops in gets much faster 23.22.42 # Anyone have any experience running rockbox with a Bose Sounddock? The dock works fine when the iPod is booted with Apple firmware, but with Rockbox no sound is audible through the speakers (iPod Video 80GB; latest RB build). 23.22.45 # I see "copy code to 0x30000000" and such 23.22.48 # jhMikeS: nevermind, the f still does 23.22.56 # I shouldn't need it though 23.23.24 # this reminds me, have we decided what to do with the extra 32KB of IRAM on the PP502X yet? 23.23.27 # oops, I forgot my code :) 23.23.27 # because I'm removing those sections entirely and placing the "i" sections inside the analagous dram sections 23.23.33 # i'd very much like to have some of it for codecs 23.24.27 # jhmikes, I need a way to tell the end of all of the code on the F so that I can continue to take care of the proper start address in crt0.s 23.24.39 # ajkessel: This is where people write their experiences with Apple accessories - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories 23.24.46 # so iram end just has to point to the end of the initialized data/code 23.25.53 # saratoga: BTW, did you see my last post about the Clip in the forums? Looking at the firmware, there seems to be more RAM than just the 320KB the datasheet mentions... 23.26.04 # jhMikeS: so icode is going in .text etc? 23.26.33 # linuxstb: thanks for the pointer. According to that page, the dock should work for audio out, but it doesn't seem to work for me (either for this iPod model or the current RB release). Should I file a bug, or is there anything else you might recommend I test to troubleshoot? 23.26.39 # if you get rid of the iram sections I'm assuming that you can just put _iramend in .data 23.26.53 # assuming that is the end of the stuff that needs to be copied to run 23.26.55 # kkurbjun: yes 23.26.59 # ajkessel: No, there's no need for a bug report - we know Rockbox doesn't work with Apple accessories... 23.27.12 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.27.26 # i just threw a label in after the last initialized ram 23.27.36 # if you put .icode in .text and .irodata in .rodata and .idata in .data _iramend can be placed in .data 23.27.50 # assuming you don't move the sections around 23.28.12 # that's sort of what happened but I renamed it because it's not that :) 23.28.22 # :), sounds good 23.28.45 # linuxstb: IIRC the memory controller can remap things all over the address space 23.28.49 # are you sure you're not seeing that? 23.28.59 # let me dig out the datasheet 23.29.13 # I don't think so - the whole of the 320KB address space starting at 0x0 seems to be being used, plus some further RAM at 0x30000000 23.29.41 # Is there a spot in the logs where I can see why we removed support for older musepack stream versions? 23.29.51 # seems to work 23.30.12 # jhMikeS: if you commit it I'll double check it in flash 23.30.27 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.30.43 # hmm that is the SDRAM then 23.30.58 # That's what I thought... But the photos don't seem to show any. 23.31.09 # Buschel: You around? 23.31.27 # Llorean: I asked whether it is ok. 1st: I guess I am the only one who has such, 2nd: when switching to the sv8-library it is not supported anymore at all 23.31.34 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.31.50 # Buschel: Ah, so it was necessary if we wanted to upgrade cleanly to current musepack code? 23.31.51 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 23.32.03 # Or at least, "it would require a lot of work to preserve it"? 23.32.27 # saratoga: Do you own a v2 device, or are you just curious? 23.32.48 # linuxstb: just curious, but thinking of picking one up since they're cheap 23.33.25 # Llorean: sv4 to sv6 were made long before musepack became somehow popular. if users complain it can be easily switched on (svn-version). i am not quite sure about the sv8-decoder. 23.33.38 # saratoga: what I was getting at just to sum it up is that we need to be forward thinking of our consequences to the code for future targets, Just because we have say 3 targets with different sizes of IRAM now doesn't mean that in the future we won't have 50, so it would be in our benefit to find a way to solve the problem in a fashion that can work with any number of different size IRAM's. 23.34.02 # Buschel: I was just curious. It seems unlikely people use it, but it somehow just feels "wrong" to be removing supported formats. :) 23.34.40 # That's why I made the suggestion I did based on your proposal. 23.34.48 # linuxstb: is it even worth updating the wiki? Will that help? I registered and tried to edit the IpodAccessories page to reflect my experience but it says "Access check on Main.IpodAccessories failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web." 23.35.00 # linuxstb: the memory controller says it supports "Asynchronous static memory device support including RAM, ROM, and Flash" 23.35.06 # kkurbjun: could you check dma-creativezvm.c if I made any mistakes on the 32-byte checking if you have some time? 23.35.08 # maybe that space is memory mapped FLASH rom? 23.35.14 # ajkessel: What is your Wiki name? You need to have write access granted (I can do it). 23.35.41 # kkurbjun: I don't really understand why we can't just expand teh current IRAM defines to include size 23.35.52 # that should be perfectly scalable to targets with MBs worth of IRAM 23.35.59 # kkurbjun: doing the F/X and S while I'm at it but it should be ready soon 23.36.16 # ajkessel: Try again now (I guessed your name...) 23.36.23 # mcuelenaere: I'll check it out when I get a chance. I don't think the dm320 code is working on the m:robe 500 at the moment, so I don't know if I'll have a target to check with 23.36.41 # saratoga: Do you have a link to that new nvidia chip you mentioned? 23.37.14 # hmm, "study mode" is a major change? 23.37.21 # linuxstb: http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_compare.html 23.37.24 # saratoga: but what if there are targets that come in that have sizes of iram that are inbetween what we already have, we would have to go back and reevaluate the defines so that we can take advantage of all of their memory. 23.37.25 # kkurbjun: how do you mean the dm320 isn't working on the m:robe 500? did I break it? 23.37.57 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 23.38.06 # mcuelenaere: no, I don't think so, I believe it was broken on the 500 before, I havn't tried it in a while though since I've been trying to finish flash on the gigabeat 23.38.09 # kkurbjun: you'll have to do that anyway 23.39.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.39.29 # saratoga: if you have priorites for each section that are based on profiling you would have more granularity for control 23.39.45 # linuxstb: Thanks, I updated it. 23.40.06 # such priorities would still need to be determined for new CPUs most likely, so I don't see what it gains 23.40.32 # you're still going to have to open up each codec and see what needs to be in IRAM most (or what can be added in the case that your new target has more IRAM then any old) 23.40.50 # rockbox can play only mpeg2 and mpeg1, what can ipod os play? 23.40.56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.41.15 # yeal`: Please, stop asking questions about the iPod OS in here. Visit Apple's site, but this channel is for rockbox discussion. 23.41.58 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 23.42.10 # linuxstb: though technically its embedded DRAM, so its probably not single cycles like SRAM 23.42.15 # good night! 23.42.19 Quit Buschel () 23.42.43 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.43.00 # saratoga: I was about to mention that.... Those aren't DAP SoCs either... 23.43.56 # saratoga: different architectures is one thing, but different amounts of memory on a similar arch is another, I agree that on a different arch you would likely have to do it, but if that's the case there's another level of complexity that really isn't covered by either proposal. 23.46.18 Nick kushal_12_27_200 is now known as kushal_one (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 23.46.46 # linuxstb: i don't think theres much difference between a phone and portable media player SOC 23.46.54 # sandisk at least uses one of those in the View 23.47.40 Quit borges ("ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 23.51.49 # actually i think the SOC in the gigabeast is mainly aimed at phones, since its got hardware support for cameras, video encoding, encryption stuff 23.52.28 # Well, I'm pretty sure the version with the graphics acceleration is used in a few phones, yeah.