--- Log for 20.05.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.18 # * LambdaCalculus37 decides to have something to eat... going to a show tonight 00.00.25 # See everyone later! 00.00.29 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 00.00.58 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.02.10 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.05.40 Quit Genre9mp3 () 00.08.28 Join christian [0] (n=christia@p4FE5932C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.09.00 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 00.09.02 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.10.24 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 00.12.14 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.12.14 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.24 Join Chrisboo [0] (n=christia@p4FE5934D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.18.10 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 00.18.52 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.18.55 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.58 Join Chrisbooo [0] (n=christia@p4FE5935F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 1 00.18.58 DBUG Sent KICK christian__ to server 00.18.58 DBUG Sent KICK christian to server 00.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 2 00.18.58 DBUG sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=christ*@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 00.18.58 DBUG Sent KICK Chrisboo to server 00.18.58 DBUG Enqueued KICK Chrisbooo 00.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 3 00.18.58 Kick (#rockbox christian__ :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 00.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 4 00.18.58 Kick (#rockbox christian :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 00.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 5 00.18.58 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*n=christ*@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de " by logbot_ (n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923) 00.18.58 Kick (#rockbox Chrisboo :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 00.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 6 00.18.59 DBUG Q-Sent KICK Chrisbooo to server 00.18.59 Kick (#rockbox Chrisbooo :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 00.18.59 *** Alert Mode level 7 00.19.47 # haha 00.20.04 # => 00.20.25 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 00.20.41 Mode "#rockbox -b *!*n=christ*@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 00.20.50 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 00.24.29 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.00 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.29.24 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.30.05 Quit n1s () 00.31.28 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.32.02 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.32.02 # * amiconn is somewhat puzzled about the iriver/iaudio remote lcd test results posted so far 00.33.48 # * amiconn will wait for a few more reports before 00.34.15 Quit gevaerts ("bedtime") 00.35.01 Quit homielowe () 00.41.48 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.44.37 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.45.14 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.51.11 Quit obo ("bye") 00.51.38 # if anyone interested 00.51.56 # triggering my camera with the accessory supply pin works ! 00.53.37 # * DerPapst wonders what logbot is doing there... 00.54.43 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 00.57.12 Quit ender` (" The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the p") 01.01.20 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-152-29.bchsia.telus.net) 01.01.48 Join FS-8806 [0] (n=57c2fa65@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eba6fb5f1c2ebd85) 01.02.03 # please commit me :) 01.02.53 # * scorche|sh commits FS-8806 to the asylum 01.04.00 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.04.06 Quit FS-8806 (Client Quit) 01.04.21 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-225-141-204.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 01.09.54 # heh... FS tasks do irc? 01.10.29 # the insane ones do...but dont worry, i committed him to the asylum 01.14.09 # did you inform it's relatives, scorche|sh? 01.14.15 # *its 01.17.37 Quit stripwax__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.17.38 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.16 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.23.16 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.32.25 Quit midgey () 01.32.45 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.36.55 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 01.39.53 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.43.09 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.44.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.49.22 # Hmm 01.49.43 # This FS-8806 brings me to an idea 01.49.54 # * scorche|sh runs 01.50.23 # But I rather don't dare ;) 01.51.15 # but actually, I'd like to have 3 patches of mine committed, 2 of them are tiny ones 01.54.21 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 01.54.31 # hello 01.55.01 # * DerPapst waves ;-) 01.56.34 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ff7ab895700caccc) 02.03.31 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 02.05.52 Quit stooo ("Leaving.") 02.06.12 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 02.07.59 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 02.10.56 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-249-027.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.20.29 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.22.53 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 02.26.21 # Does it seem feasible to run a buildserver on a windows system under coLinux or andlinux or something like that? 02.27.32 # * Llorean doesn't see any obvious reasons why not, but also doesn't know enough about this stuff to feel qualified to make that decision. 02.28.17 # Llorean: i remember a recent effort at making a vmware build server image... 02.29.04 # scorche|sh: colinux seems like it'd be more flexible for other things I might want to do. 02.31.03 Join saratoga [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fb6ff69fc0a5078d) 02.31.43 Quit leox (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.33.57 # Llorean: what i meant, was that i dont see coLinux being any more feasible than vmware 02.34.19 # s/more/less 02.35.01 # * scorche|sh looks up how networking is handled in coLinux 02.36.29 # looks just fine to me 02.37.27 # Llorean: tried out [co|and]linux already? 02.37.56 # DerPapst: Not yet 02.38.07 # The computer I intend to run it on doesn't exist yet. 02.38.25 # ah ok. let me know when you do. i'm courious ;-) 02.38.28 # Well... 02.38.37 # I'm tempted to just download andlinux now to this one and play with it some 02.38.51 # If I give in to curiosity, I'll let you know how the basics turn out 02.39.12 # cool, thanks :-) 02.40.26 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.40.41 # * Llorean goes ahead and downloads it. 02.41.30 # I tried andLinux 02.41.53 # I'd call it usable. I prefer building on linux though 02.43.13 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.45.25 # The problem I had is that I couldn't build on a smb folder/drive 02.45.49 # because of the timestamps of the files 02.47.12 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008050509]") 02.52.39 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.00.33 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-69-154-187-90.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 03.08.36 # wiki slow? 03.10.33 Join leox [0] (n=leox@165-162-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) 03.14.47 # Was for me a little while ago. 03.17.08 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@user-11favvr.dsl.mindspring.com) 03.17.12 Quit fdinel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.17.24 # is anyone using opensuse to build rb? 03.17.40 # * DerPapst used it ages ago 03.18.22 # when one could compile rockbox with the iPL toolchain :P 03.18.40 # it is giving me a error when trying to d/l viz curl 03.18.55 # via* 03.19.24 # also I am using x86_64 should I install the 32bit gcc 03.19.25 # what do you download with curl? 03.19.38 # I think the script uses it 03.19.48 # rockboxdev.sh? 03.19.54 # yeah 03.20.03 # ah.. 03.20.12 # well it actually stoped at a patch 03.20.27 # it siad it couldn't find a file 03.20.42 # gcc-4.0.3/gcc/config/arm/t-arm-elf.orig 03.21.52 Part pixelma 03.22.13 # should I not run it as root 03.22.28 # iirc you should 03.22.29 # I think I ran it as root when I using ubuntu 03.22.36 # okay 03.22.44 # but i don't know jack about linux. 03.22.50 # I never run it as root. Had problems when I did. 03.23.00 # Learned my lesson. 03.23.01 # there you go 03.23.05 # * DerPapst shuts up 03.23.06 # okay 03.23.13 # thanks soap 03.23.34 # I just need to edit the script to save it somewhere else 03.23.53 # can't you run it in your home dir? 03.23.54 # soap: are you running a x86_64 03.24.01 # nope. 03.28.09 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 03.28.13 # thanks for the help I will have to figure this out 03.28.20 Quit jac0b ("Leaving") 03.30.07 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.34.53 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 03.39.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.41.53 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 03.44.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.45.47 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.45.47 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 03.59.59 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=768aa35c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f12e4afe9c77e2b) 04.00.15 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 04.00.41 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 04.05.16 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.15.06 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.19.59 Join mackes [0] (n=root@cpe-24-198-43-238.buffalo.res.rr.com) 04.25.36 Join orangetoaster [0] (n=lorne@dynamic-216-26-210-180.tbaytel.net) 04.36.21 Quit orangetoaster ("Leaving.") 04.45.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 04.55.23 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF5345.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.01.28 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.58 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.07.57 Join Reno [0] (n=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9ee3cad0add7198b) 05.09.26 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.09.44 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 05.11.07 # Hi i got a question how come i cant install or use rockbox on my ipod anymore? 05.11.25 # there could be any number of reasons... 05.11.27 # which ipod? 05.11.32 # Please help me. 05.12.08 # I have an iPod Video 30GB 5th Generation. I have never had this problem before. 05.12.23 # I have been using rockbox for about 2 years now. 05.12.35 # which part of the install is the problem? 05.12.44 # updating rockbox? or installing the bootloader? or? 05.13.04 # I did it with the utility and the manual way. 05.14.03 # supposedly it installed rockbox correctly but when it tries to load it doesnt. it just stays at the apple logo. 05.15.06 # I have also restored my ipod about 33-37 times. it doesn't work. nothing works. I have even reformated it and still the same problem. 05.16.33 # It's running the 1.2.3 firmware. 05.17.43 # Reno: Restart the player, as soon as the apple logo shows up, hold Right. Do you get text? maybe an error message? 05.18.22 # Nope. It's very weird. 05.19.37 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.20.11 # Does it boot into the Apple OS properly? 05.21.43 # nope. it just stays at the apple logo. 05.21.50 # How are you trying to make it boot the Apple OS? 05.23.13 # When i restart it ipod it usually loaded into rockbox by default. If i wanted to load into the apple os i had to switch on the hold. 05.23.46 # Do you mean "I'm restarting it and turning on Hold, but it's staying at the Apple logo" then? 05.25.00 # No. If i do that than it loads into the apple os. that works fine. but i cant get it to rockbox. 05.25.21 # i'm gonna try restoring it again. hold on please. 05.26.07 # So, when I said "Does it boot into the Apple OS properly", why on Earth did you say "nope"? 05.26.39 # I'm sorry. I thought you ment rockbox for some reason. 05.27.17 # Where is the file rockbox.ipod located on your player, exactly? 05.28.24 # inside the .rockbox folder. 05.31.52 # And where is the .rockbox folder? 05.32.48 # In the ipod's hard drive. It's not in any other folder and its not renamed either. I also just downloaded it. 05.33.23 # What do you mean "just downloaded it." We're talking about your non-working iPod, was it there before? 05.34.01 # OK, where is that folder supposed to be? I just restored my ipod. 05.34.38 # Where you say you have it. 05.35.03 # I can't really help you if you're going to just keep doing random things and not answer my questions, since anything you tell me might change because you've copied over another file now or whatnot. 05.35.24 # Yes, and that is where it is. It's always been there and I have never moved it. 05.37.18 # I don't even know how this happened. One day I was just using Rockbox. All of the sudden my iPod shut down for some reason. It was fully charged. It had no disk errors. It just couldn't boot into Rockbox anymore. 05.37.32 # Sounds like a hardware failure of some sort. 05.38.17 # Have you tried http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 05.38.50 # Yes. Many many times. This isn't the first time I have came here for help. 05.39.48 # You said you've restored it many times. 05.40.01 # Yes. 05.40.02 # Do you mean using iTunes, or following the manual restore procedure from that page? 05.40.15 # Both ways. 05.41.36 # And have you ever had newer than version 1.2.3 firmware one it? If you've restored using iTunes recently, it probably had 1.3 at some point. 05.44.14 # Right now i just restored it like 2 seconds ago to the new firmware. 05.44.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.44.39 # Have you ever had newer than 1.2.3 on it BEFORE two seconds ago? 05.46.14 # Yes. Just now. I have the newest firmware now. 05.46.15 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 05.46.52 # I said "BEFORE" just now, though. 05.47.28 # No. 05.47.51 # Are you absolutely sure? You said you'd upgraded with iTunes dozens of times. 05.47.57 # Or restored, rather, but it's the same process. 05.48.44 # Yes. Since i just restored it again. I have the newest firmware right now. Before i had 1.2.3 05.49.17 # I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm asking. 05.49.31 # I'm not asking if you have the newest firmware now. 05.49.44 # I'm asking if you might have installed the newest firmware by restoring in the past. 05.51.02 # No. I said I never did. I just said I have it now. But not before. 05.51.15 # So, how did you restore in iTunes without upgrading? 05.51.26 # I never installed the newest firmware in the past. 05.51.40 # Restoring will load the latest firmware iTunes has available to it. 05.52.26 # Yes, thats what I did now. Not before. Now. 05.52.35 # You've never restored in itunes before? 05.52.49 # You said you've done it "both ways" earlier. 05.53.13 # Yes but to the same firmware. I just got the new one now. 05.53.23 # So, how did you restore in iTunes without upgrading? 05.53.43 Join toffe82 [0] (i=chatzill@static-71-160-73-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.54.28 # Because it asks you if you want to restore using the same firmware or using the new one. 05.55.13 # Then you could've said that the _first_ time I asked that question. 05.55.32 # My girlfriend was actually the one who restored it without itunes before. I don't know how to do that. Only she does. 05.55.51 # So, you don't know whether it was done right, or what firmware version was used for that. 05.56.59 # Hey i kinda have to go ca you send sms messages to my phone? so i can continue that way. I have to go pick up my girl. 05.57.09 # I'd suggest trying the manual restore again. It's much more explicit than the iTunes restore, and is more likely to fix an iPod than the iTunes restore is. 05.57.16 # I can give yopu my number. 05.57.21 # No. 05.57.24 # Try the manual restore. 05.57.32 # If that doesn't work, it's probably a hardware issue. 05.57.36 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.58.33 # Ok. Well thank you!! :) I'll be back tomorrow. I have to pick up my girl. I cant keep her waiting. That would be bogus... 05.59.29 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.01.01 Join Reno [0] (n=47c2d7ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3b6f97b3af2f13a) 06.02.31 # if this works please respond. I was just on my pc asking about my iPod. I'm on my iPhone right now. 06.03.16 # we see you 06.03.19 # yes, it works. 06.06.26 # since I'm in the car I have a very weak Internet signal 06.06.26 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.06.51 # hope he wasn't driving at the same time 06.07.42 Join Reno [0] (n=47c2d7ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ba0a1425113bea0e) 06.08.03 # sorry I kinda 06.08.14 # Lost the signal 06.08.33 # Reno: Please remember the channel guidelines and try to speak in complete sentences. You should probably just come back once you can actually try the solution offered. 06.10.09 # Trust me, Im trying but the damn iPhone somehow does weird stuff when I text. I sent that sentence in like two parts. 06.11.10 # I will try my best though since you guys are awesome!! :) 06.14.23 # hey maybe I can use yahoo! Messenger on my other phone. Maybe I can talk to you guys with that chat client. Will it work? It would be faster and easier? 06.16.54 # if you guys are busy I can always come back? What ever you guys like best! I can wait. 06.17.54 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 06.20.37 # Um...you guys there? If you can't talk to me this way just respond to this and I'll leave. It ok! :) 06.21.13 # Reno: This is an on-topic channel. There's nothing really to say to you. You haven't asked any new questions about Rockbox, and until you go and try some things, there's nothing more to say about your problem. 06.23.31 # yes, but I have tried many things and nothing works!! Would really wish I new one of you guys so you could take a look at my iPod for your self! 06.24.11 # Do the manual restore. Do it yourself. Make sure it's done exactly as the instructions say. 06.24.33 # what else is there that I can try to fix this problem? 06.25.17 # my girlfriend did it already! She knows how! 06.25.23 Join fire [0] (n=firebug@67-42-177-154.eugn.qwest.net) 06.26.09 # Look, the only other thing I can say is "it's probably a hardware failure, there's nothing to be done." 06.26.22 # This is most likely since it apparently stopped working without you changing anything or doing anything. 06.26.38 # She has done when she has had problems on her iPod. 06.26.44 # for any one out their with out uninstalling rock box can you go back to the original ipod OS? 06.26.50 # fire: Yes. 06.27.03 # how? 06.27.12 # fire: By following the uninstall instructions... 06.27.17 # Reno: Then you're stuck. Sorry. 06.27.25 # gha..... 06.27.30 # Reno: I don't see why you refuse to try doing it yourself, just to make sure it's done right. 06.27.35 # fire: what? 06.28.03 # i was hoping that i wouldent have to uninstall 06.28.19 # it wont play m4a 06.28.20 # You mean boot into the original one, fire? 06.28.36 # yeha thats what i ment 06.28.40 # fire: 1) Rockbox plays AAC audio. As long as your M4As aren't encrypted, and aren't very long 06.28.50 # fire: 2) You can dual boot. You said "go back to it", I thought you meant "stop using Rockbox" 06.28.59 # Dual boot is covered in the manual too 06.29.00 # turn the ipod on, and when the apple appears on the screen, flick the hold switch on 06.29.18 # ah...ok 06.29.40 # then to get back to rockbox you have to do a reset, which is usually by holding 'select' and 'menu' for 5 seconds or so 06.30.00 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.30.11 # mk thanks 06.30.57 # I'll try it myself tommorow 06.31.35 Quit fire ("peace") 06.32.25 # anyways whats a hardware failure? O_o?? 06.32.54 # something has gone wrong with the hardware itself... 06.34.35 # my iPod is really scratched up. I have never dropped it its just scratched really bad and I have insurance thing on it. Will apple still fix it for me?? 06.35.16 # what do you guys think? 06.35.40 # Probably not. You've installed Rockbox on it, and you don't have any problems running the Apple software anyway 06.36.45 # I can't restore it and erase rockbox? I can't use the hamm 06.37.12 # Sorry about thar 06.37.33 # Sang I can't text with this! 06.37.42 # See?!!!!! 06.37.47 # ... 06.38.05 # I'm on my iPhone.... 06.38.14 # 1) What would you tell them is wrong? The Apple software works fine. 2) Lying to them about whether or not you had voided your warranty could be a crime where you are located, as well as being a part of the reason Apple and companies like them may not like Rockbox. 06.40.13 # Why do they hate rockbox?!! Some people buy their stupid ipods just so they can use rockbox!! You guys are helping them make money!!!!! 06.40.52 # People buy iPods, void their warranty by installing it, encounter problems, and make Apple replace their iPods even though they've voided the warranty, costing Apple money. 06.41.18 # People will often get their iPods into a state where it won't boot at all, and even though it's easily recoverable the person doesn't know it, and makes an Apple employee spend time recovering it.' 06.41.34 # When I go to apple stores most of the employees have hacked their iPod or are using rockbox!! 06.41.48 # If people never lied about their warranties, it would save Apple money and probably at least be a step toward them looking down on alternate firmware. 06.42.06 # Reno: That means nothing to Apple shareholders, to whom the upper management are ultimately answerable. 06.42.26 # Anyway, it's irrelevant. 06.42.33 # Whether Apple will help you is between you and them. 06.43.47 # They suck ass!! They hate you guys and you guys help them make money?!! What the hell?!! 06.43.56 # Excuse 06.44.05 # My language 06.44.23 # Sorry about that... 06.44.36 # Look, just come back when you've tried what I told you to try. 06.45.30 # Ok thank you very much for what you've done up until now!! :) I got to get to 06.45.36 # My GF 06.46.30 # I love her more than anything!! But that has nothing to do with rockbox so...... 06.46.39 # no....no it doesnt... 06.47.00 # Okay, seriously, one more off-topic outburst and I really will make sure it can't happen again. 06.48.09 # Ok ok!! Sorry!! LOL!!! Thant anyways!! Bye!! :) 06.50.01 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.51.13 # You know you guys can say your welcome or something and get out of here before we stop helping you or something like that!! But no! You guys won't even respond!! And one more thing... How can I donate money again?!! 06.51.56 # there is a paypal button on the side of the page...why we dont really respond, is because this is not a social channel 06.54.35 # I know but you guys are kind of too strict don't you think?!! I mean is it too much to ask for a your welcome or a get the hell outa here?!! I'm donating $100 is that ok? 06.57.04 # Any amount is okay. But really, the channel is logged. We keep chatter down so the logs aren't huge, and when people who aren't around read the logs to catch up they don't have to spend forever doing it. 06.57.04 # i dont think a "get the hell outa here" is very nice...and you can donate however much you feel 07.00.01 # Well it might not be nice but not responding at all is worse! And about the chatter thing you should have told me in the 1st place! Ok seriously though, this has nothing to do with rockbox! It starting to sound like myspace!! Bye for real this time... And thanks again!! :) 07.00.01 # Reno: well, the guidelines linked to in the topic should have told you that ;) 07.00.01 # goodbye 07.00.01 Quit mackes ("I'm quiting for now.") 07.00.02 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-133-88.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.00.21 # Alot better see! Bye! ;-) 07.02.34 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 07.02.37 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ppp-70-225-141-204.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) 07.05.27 Quit Reno ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.06.00 Quit OlivierBorowski ("Konversation terminated!") 07.06.25 Join Satan [0] (n=47c2d7ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8c05d1d576d8705b) 07.07.58 # hi! Anyone here know if rockbox will ever be available for the iPod classic or the iPod touch? Please say yes! 07.08.14 # not if no one works on it 07.08.24 # You can't predict the future. But nobody is working on it, so it's not going to happen any time soon. 07.09.06 # What do you mean? 07.09.49 # no one is currently working on it 07.10.03 # Can we pay you guys to work on it? 07.11.04 # to be paid to do this sort of work would likely be many thousands of dollars for all of the man-hours 07.11.21 # and, at the very least, donated hardware 07.11.24 # Up front, most people do Rockbox as a hobby. They have a player they're interested in, and because of that interest, work on it. 07.11.37 # Can we pay you guys?!! 07.11.47 # Why not just buy a player that Rockbox already works on, if you want to spend money. 07.12.41 # follow one of the howto projects for adding a 250gb drive to a sansa... 07.13.29 # cpbills: Please, keep sarcasm out of here. 07.13.48 # sorry 07.14.10 # Because I only like the iPod classic and touch. Would it be hard to create a rockbox app for the iPod touch? 07.14.28 # ...and why would you only like those? 07.14.49 # It's not simple, at least. 07.15.19 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-157-1-133-88.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.15.41 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 07.17.16 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 07.18.30 # Because the ckassic has more memory and is thinner and the touch is just plain cool! Having rockbox on those would make them the ultimate iPods. Especially since they would play MPEG. I'm willing to donate up to $6000 in person to one of you guys!! 07.19.10 # Satan: They already play a much more advanced video format. 07.19.19 # the classic does not have more memory, there are other devices that we do support that are thinner 07.19.51 # But playing many other formats means they coul 07.20.09 # And honestly, offering to donate a very large sum of money for such a think is somewhat offensive to those of us who have been working for years on this project already. It's like saying "Yeah, I appreciate all your work, but I only want to give this money to the one guy who does the iPod Classic bit at the end." 07.20.13 # They c 07.20.48 # In fact, I've just noticed you're Reno. 07.20.51 # It means we wouldn't have to convert to a cartain format! 07.20.52 # Either that or you've stolen his phone. 07.20.58 # Either way, please shut up. 07.25.35 Quit Satan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.25.52 Join Satan [0] (n=47c2d7ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-836828dfc3439005) 07.26.41 # nope I'm his friend! He with his stupid chick and the dumbsss 07.27.03 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.27.08 # The dumbass forgot his phone 07.27.26 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.27.37 Mode "#rockbox +b %*!*47c2d7ed@* " by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.28.07 # you are muted for 10 minutes...please use this time to read the guidelines linked in the topic...sit back, relax, and reflect 07.28.46 Mode "#rockbox +o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.31.01 # No!! Please!! If he finds out I said that about his chick hell be pissed and kick my ass!!! Hell see you guys muted him here too and make things worse!! You don't know how he gets when somebody talks about his fucking chick!! 07.33.17 # Please undo that!! I'll donate $50 please!! Hell fucking kill me!!! PLEASE!!! Don't do this!!! I'm begging!!! Hell kick my ass!! 07.34.10 # Just tell me how to log out and I promise ill go!! 07.35.43 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.36.58 Mode "#rockbox -o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.37.10 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 07.37.15 # Please help me!!! I'll leave!! How do you turn off this damn phone?!! Its like locked and shit?!! 07.37.59 # HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 07.38.04 Mode "#rockbox -b %*!*47c2d7ed@* " by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.39.18 # I'll do anything!! Please help me out! 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09.19.10 # It shouldn't be there really - maybe on a quickscreen, but it's got nothing much to do with context 09.19.13 # Is it accessible somewhere else? 09.19.22 # Ah, I assumed so 09.19.28 # If not, I'll make sure it is 09.19.35 # That's all I ask. :) 09.19.36 # Alongside Party mode? 09.19.42 # yeah, it's in the settings 09.19.42 # Works for me. 09.19.53 # * Llorean wants to know why EQ are considered a "context" thing 09.20.21 # That too 09.20.48 # It could be under Sound Settings, at least 09.20.56 # it depends on how you look at it, all sound/playback settings can be said to be in the wps context because they affect music playback... 09.21.29 # I'd prefer if the Sound Settings option used the same menu as in Settings. 09.21.46 # Llorean: RE colinux, did you see http://www.ulteo.com/home/en/virtualdesktop?autolang=en ? 09.21.52 # n1s: Yeah, then it would make sense for "Sound Settings" to be available directly from the context menu then, as a whole. 09.21.58 # So you'd get Sound Settings > Equalizer > ... 09.22.09 # petur: That's what prompted me to investigate colinux, though I haven't tried that one yet. 09.22.15 # And use the same code, so reducing bin size a bit 09.23.05 # Llorean: I could never get the bare colinux to work properly (network issues), I'll try this one later on... 09.23.11 # the only thing i ever use in that menu is the playlist submenu option so it should be on the top! :) 09.23.20 # petur: I tried andlinux and it worked flawlessly, but performed poorly since it only used a single core. 09.23.36 # Ah, actually maybe it already is using the same code; it's the extra EQ stuff that confused me 09.24.55 # Certainly I use Playlist more than any other, but I can't speak for everyone 09.25.19 # The two EQ options and (even moreso) Study mode are just wrong, IMHO. 09.25.35 # JdGordon: Regarding that ipod scrollwheel bug, I remember having a conversation a long time ago with one of the ipodlinux (loader2) devs, who said he experienced a similar problem there. IIRC, the fix was related to resetting the button controller when hold was disabled. So the loader2 source might have some clues. 09.25.36 # we should make an informal vote :) +1 for playlist on top 09.25.43 # +2 09.25.47 # +1 for "remove equalizer and study mode" 09.25.58 # +2 too 09.26.03 # I think "sound settings" on bottom, and "Playlist" on top 09.26.03 # * linuxstb abstains as he doesn't use that menu 09.26.49 # We could do with a better voting system for this sort of thing. I guess I should pop a patch up and publicise it. 09.26.50 # * amiconn doesn't care, as he practically never uses the wps context menu 09.27.28 # pondlife: A private (devs only) forum? 09.27.33 # * pondlife does LONG SELECT - DOWN - SELECT - SELECT often 09.27.36 # linuxstb: ah ok, 09.27.42 # linuxstb: Not private 09.27.47 # I'd want all users to be counted 09.27.57 # pondlife: OK, then just an existing forum poll... 09.28.02 # voting is the job of the devcon and steering groups... 09.28.10 # * pondlife forgot the forum 09.28.29 # pondlife: I thought you didn't say forum because you didn't want a "free" vote... 09.28.44 # Nah, I just don't use the forum much 09.28.51 # But you're right 09.28.55 # I'll pop a vote up 09.29.02 # Or rather 2 votes 09.29.09 # pondlife: Be careful, you could start a trend... 09.29.19 # linuxstb: any idea where to find their source without having to dowanload everything? 09.29.25 # I'll be sure to mention that Rockbox isn't a democracy 09.29.39 # JdGordon: Maybe the "Loader_2" wiki page - http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 09.29.42 # ah dw.. found it 09.31.01 # Who is "dan"? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/onplay.c?revision=8606&view=markup 09.31.06 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.31.20 # pondlife: Check docs/COMMITTERS 09.31.28 # Thanks 09.31.41 # I don't want to upset anyone... 09.39.01 # If you do, blame it on me. :) 09.39.45 # noooo blame me! 09.39.57 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@dhcp-25-194.fh-friedberg.de) 09.40.38 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-417674.home.otenet.gr) 09.42.36 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 09.43.09 Quit m0f0x () 09.44.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.44.35 # Hmm, I'd like 3 questions on one poll 09.44.46 # Maybe I should put all 8 combinations up.. ;) 09.45.30 # B4gder: what's up with the two missing buildresults? 09.46.40 # petur: did the h380 upgrade require an svn bootloader? 09.46.57 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.46.58 # n1s: no 09.46.58 # any ideas what outl(0xffffffff, 0x7000c120); outl(0xffffffff, 0x7000c124); does for the ipods? 09.47.06 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.51) 09.47.44 # petur: that's usually a sign of the particular build server being confused 09.48.04 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 09.48.09 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2ac963d0c9f51dc4) 09.49.04 # if it happens more often I'll research it, but if not I'll just ignore ;-) 09.49.16 # hehe the spellchecker knows of Bagder (but not Llorean) 09.49.55 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16926.0 09.50.41 # lol @ legal advisory 09.50.41 # Llorean: Please add comments too, if I missed anything. You can argue more eloquently than I can. 09.51.01 # I just go on gut feeling most of the time ;) 09.51.17 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.252) 09.52.59 # pondlife: ok, now lock it and take the democratical result for what it is :) 09.53.14 # Yup, I never said how long it would be open for 09.53.27 # I'll give it a bit longer though 09.54.04 # Pity it's anonymous - I'd want to know what argument there is for keeping Study Mode in there... 09.54.30 # I find it funny that you mention three options and I can select yes/no for "both" 09.55.08 # The 3rd point isn't an option, more a discussion item 09.55.12 # I'll clarify 09.55.22 # ah 09.55.32 # * B4gder never uses any of them 09.56.52 # * Llorean wonders who voted for leaving "Study Mode" already 09.57.06 # Someone lurking here, I'd guess ;) 09.57.16 # * JdGordon hopes he didnt vote the wrong option 09.57.19 # and why the anon poll? 09.57.32 # I didn't see a non-anon option 09.57.35 # no, i hadnt voted yet :) 09.57.39 # * petur looks away and hums a bit 09.57.56 # Llorean: Do you think http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9013 should be rejected? 09.58.04 # It's unlikely to go in. 09.58.17 # Yeah 09.58.31 # I wanted to see if there was something I was missing. I hate to reject things outright no matter how "obviously" they seem to be pointless to me. 09.58.33 # Seems a bit cruel to kill off someone's contribution, but maybe crueller to let them waste their time. 09.58.44 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.58.54 # Though it does make me think that a few more of the RTC tags could be conditionals. 09.59.25 # pondlife: we would have told him it was unlikely to be accepted if he had come in here and asked... 09.59.43 # If a WPS includes RTC tags, how does it behave on a non-RTC target? 10.01.17 # * JdGordon goes to hurry up dinner 10.01.29 # I think the only situation where that happens is with 160x128 WPSes on an H120, which was the first target of that resolution, so not many exist 10.01.35 # I *think* it fills in a --:-- 10.01.40 # But I'm not sure. 10.01.51 # * Llorean remembers talking about this with someone, but not what actually happened about it.' 10.02.04 # So we could do with a "RTC/non-RTC" conditional (or maybe a clock set conditional)? 10.02.17 # Clock set makes sense. 10.04.56 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.05.48 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.134.252) 10.06.31 Join Lapsus [0] (n=63e48a3f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bd3e05c99b5a56a5) 10.06.40 Quit Lapsus (Client Quit) 10.07.34 # Nico_P: Morning, have you any ideas on the current CPU boost issue(s)? 10.08.46 # pondlife: no, I haven't had time to investigate yet 10.08.53 # OK, just wondered 10.10.21 Join Lapsus [0] (i=63e48a3f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e4b2e3c26d62c418) 10.11.20 # Hello! 10.11.44 # Hello! 10.12.56 # Just wondering, but how difficult is it to revert an ipod back to it's original firmware after installing rockbox? I've been given free reign with my brother's ipod, so long as I can give it back to him the way I got it, and I'd like to try rockbox for a little while, and get a feel for it. 10.13.12 # Losing music/data isn't an issue seeing as it's empty at the moment 10.14.50 # Removing Rockbox is as simple as installing it. 10.15.20 # okay, so how hard is it to install then? :P 10.15.35 Join pvagner [0] (n=Miranda@adsl-dyn13.91-127-255.t-com.sk) 10.15.54 # Lapsus: it is as hard as following instructions in the manual 10.16.04 # Okay, thanks 10.16.08 # Not something I can really safely say. I consider it exceptionally easy, but others might disagree. 10.17.41 # Well, I'll give it a shot, and if it all goes to hell, and the manuals don't help, I'll be back soon :P 10.17.44 # Thanks guys 10.19.19 # Hello all, 10.19.19 # I was trying to research if there were some attempts of porting Espeak synthesizer to some other platforms E.G. symbian or whether it runs on some embedded systems. The only bit of information I have found is that you were discussing it here on this channel. 10.19.19 # Here is the log: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20080321.txt Can anyone please explain to me how such a engine might relate to rockbox according to the discussions you had? 10.20.01 Quit Lapsus ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 10.20.27 # pvagner: here's the patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7660 10.21.18 # but currently we can't integrate it in rockbox because of incompatible licenses 10.21.41 # markun : I do know voice files etc. Does this suppose to make these voice files obsolete? or how does espeak fit here? 10.22.27 # In theory it could make voice files obsolete, but the plugin is only capable of reading text files, I believe. 10.22.58 # pvagner: it would be much more flexible as there would be no need for pregenerated clips for voicing filenames, etc 10.23.39 Quit austriancoder (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.23.55 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 10.24.37 # Llorean: even reading text files is great. I believe. Anyway if you think it is posible to use it as an real-time sythesiser for user interaction I am sure there will be a chance to make an agreement with the espeak author. From what I know he's really cooperative. 10.24.53 # pvagner: yes, it's a really nice guy 10.25.33 # Was he unable or unwilling to use GPLv2 ? 10.25.40 # He doesn't believe there's a conflict. 10.26.22 # At least, last I heard. 10.26.49 # very unfortunate that open source projects cannot work together because they use different versions of the same license :( 10.27.10 # So - he doesn't think there's a conflict but insists on v3? 10.27.26 # pondlife: Well, if there were no conflict, there would be no reason for him to change. 10.27.31 # And we think there may be a conflict... 10.27.37 # markun: I assume when you'll get his explicit permission to use his software you should not bother about licencing. or am I wrong? 10.27.44 # Well, if I recall I think it got explained to him within the plugin context. 10.28.03 # And as a plugin, it's *similar* to being an application, so I can see where there might be fuzziness from an outside viewer. 10.28.12 Join J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 10.28.28 # But we need to integrate it into the core (which is GPLv2 at the moment) to really be able to use it anyway. 10.29.06 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.29.18 Quit austriancoder (Remote closed the connection) 10.29.45 # pvagner: You always need a license. Explicit permission is what a license *is*. If we go explicit permission to use his code in Rockbox, that would, in essence, have to take the form of either him licensing it under GPLv2 or him giving us permission to do so. 10.29.59 # Or a GPLv2 compatible license. 10.30.09 # or us using a different license 10.30.52 # * petur thinks all these different licenses will kill or seriously hurt FOSS 10.30.55 # markun: But that wouldn't be us "getting" permission. That would be us taking advantage of the permission we already have by meeting its terms. :) 10.31.24 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.42.38 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.43.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.11.29 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.19.00 Quit pvagner (SendQ exceeded) 11.19.01 # Llorean: H1x0 is not the only 160x128 target without rtc 11.19.50 # M5? 11.22.07 # No, ipod G1+G2 11.22.29 # Ah 11.23.26 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 11.28.11 Quit DerPapst (Nick collision from services.) 11.28.19 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der_Paps@dhcp-25-194.fh-friedberg.de) 11.29.12 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-081.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 11.31.21 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-098.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 11.37.13 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.44.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.46.08 Quit ido_sh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.48.31 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 11.48.36 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.49.11 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.50.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.51.53 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.53.09 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50e4361dfdd73ec1) 12.04.45 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w ("!") 12.09.36 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-209-072.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.14.15 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 12.16.35 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.27.24 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.34.42 Quit homielowe () 12.40.43 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 12.43.46 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-239-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.50.10 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.252) 12.56.22 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.209) 13.08.59 Join sup [0] (i=super@c80-217-96-162.bredband.comhem.se) 13.10.45 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.16.07 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2462.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.18.49 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 13.23.58 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 13.25.39 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p508C9274.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.26.13 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.135.209) 13.27.32 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet15.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.28.31 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 13.32.55 # anyone got a tcctool with statically built libusb? :/ 13.33.01 # linux 13.34.41 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 13.35.03 # I have one 13.35.53 # http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/tcctool 13.38.54 # bah, kernel too old ://// 13.39.00 # * preglow kicks sarge 13.39.04 # gevaerts: thanks anyway 13.39.13 # i'll just try to roll my own libusb 13.39.35 # preglow: Too old for what? tcctool or libusb? 13.41.18 Quit BitTorment ("Do directly to guantanamo bay. 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Do not collect your human rights.") 13.41.36 # linuxstb_: libusb, i'd wager 13.41.44 # linuxstb_: the vmware image still has 2.4 :/ 13.42.26 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.45 # the exe just says "Kernel too old", then segfaults when running, i guess that's libusb discovering the kernel interface is out of date 13.43.38 # does it require some special version of libusb? 13.44.21 # Not as far as I know - but I expect you might need an older version of libusb, to match the kernel... 13.44.21 # using 0.1.2, and gcc errors out in line 213 saying "stucture has no member named 'interface'" 13.44.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.44.47 # well, i'll try that :/ 13.44.48 # tcctool works quite nicely under Windows though - if you can install the driver.... 13.45.14 # i know, i'd just like to stay in vmware as much as possible to avoid all this bloody swapping 13.46.17 # i'd expect libusb configure would have told me if my linux was too old, though 13.46.19 # it compiled without a hitch 13.48.54 # well, at least usb.h:dev_config_descriptor has no 'interface' variable 13.50.03 # libusb test works 13.53.32 Quit nuonguy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.53.54 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.252) 13.54.21 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.55.35 # shruggage 13.56.02 # sure you're not using some behind the scenes interface here? 13.57.55 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.01.21 Quit Nico_P ("class time") 14.07.40 Quit knittl (Connection timed out) 14.09.54 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 14.12.50 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 14.13.33 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.13.46 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 14.14.36 # preglow: tcctool works fine on win32 and OS X, so I would expect it to be doing things legally... Maybe the USB API simply didn't exist in those kernel versions... 14.15.05 # linuxstb: like i said, testlibusb works fine 14.15.20 # it doesn't do anything nearly as fancy as tcctoo, though 14.16.07 # Certain kernels do seem to have issues with tcctool though - see my conversation last night with LamdaCalculus (and the link I gave) 14.16.27 # But I don't know if that's related to your problem... 14.17.47 # think i'll just fall back to waiting for a newer vmware image again... 14.24.54 Quit J (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.36.00 Join ido_sh [0] (n=ido@bzq-79-182-202-251.red.bezeqint.net) 14.38.01 Part B4gder 14.44.21 Join ido_sh_ [0] (n=ido@bzq-79-181-200-207.red.bezeqint.net) 14.44.41 Quit ido_sh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.54.08 Join Schmo [0] (n=Miranda@p508C86B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.55.14 Quit knitt1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.57.18 Quit Genre9mp3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.57.29 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 14.57.45 # yo 14.59.54 # hello stooo 15.01.44 # hi advcomp2019 15.08.25 Quit csc` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.08.46 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.170) 15.09.24 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 15.11.04 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.43 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a3def258acce4288) 15.13.09 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 15.23.02 Join LambdaCalculus3 [0] (n=44a0430f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7edc14552ee7a16e) 15.23.16 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.23.50 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0de0bf4111389615) 15.24.00 Quit LambdaCalculus3 (Client Quit) 15.25.00 Quit ido_sh_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.25.27 # * LambdaCalculus37 waves to linuxstb 15.25.47 # Good morning. 15.25.55 # good evening ;) 15.25.56 Quit MethoS- (Connection timed out) 15.27.22 # linuxstb: I had noticed a little oddity when trying tcctool last night. I first hooked my m240 up via my brother's laptop, but when I ran tcctool, it still wouldn't find it. 15.27.47 # So I disconnected, entered the command in the terminal, then rehooked it, waited 5 seconds, and hit enter, and it worked! 15.27.49 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ed806862d88fed79) 15.28.27 # So I think the problem is that you have to enter it within a certain amount of time of connecting. 15.28.55 # I haven't found that. But I normally connect then run tcctool quite soon afterwards. 15.29.38 # I think the reason why tcctool wasn't finding the m200 on my laptop was that I was waiting too long. 15.29.46 # I'm going to try again later to see if it'll work this time. 15.30.08 # BTW, there was no need to re-upload those images - attachments can be moved directly from one wiki page to another... 15.30.55 Part LinusN 15.31.48 # linuxstb: Oops, didn't know. Sorry. 15.37.15 Join ARvash [0] (i=d0062b64@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-250293e4f26d8e96) 15.38.03 # is there any way I could get rockbox working on a 2nd generation nano? 15.38.32 # No. 15.38.54 # alright and what about an e200? 15.38.58 # sansa e200 15.39.02 # As long as it's a v1. 15.39.16 # Does the original firmware start with 01.XX.XX? 15.39.42 # avash 15.39.55 # alright, should I install rockbox from linux (gentoo) or from windows? 15.39.59 # there is a way 15.40.09 # we work on it 15.40.14 # stooo: Quiet. 15.40.21 # ARvash: Use what you want. 15.40.30 # okok ;)) 15.40.58 # LambdaCalculus word, my phone only lets my update from linux :P so I wasn't sure. 15.40.59 # ARvash: Check your Sansa firmware and make sure it's 01.XX.XX. 15.41.14 # LambdaCalculus37: alright, I'll do that when I get home. 15.41.15 # Here's our installer utility: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 15.41.23 # You can use that to install Rockbox. 15.41.28 # k 15.41.46 Part stooo 15.41.48 # And you'll want to have a peek at the manual, too: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html 15.41.58 # and what about for an ipod that I've found and I want to see what generation it is how would I tell? 15.42.24 # it's a nano 15.42.27 # but I think it's 1g 15.42.30 # Ask Steve Jobs himself. :) http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 15.42.33 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnh167.ugent.be) 15.42.37 # haha thanks 15.42.52 # Does it have an all-metal body, or a plastic front and chrome back? 15.43.10 # yeah its 2g >:( 15.43.22 # not so cool. 15.43.33 # lol I have 2 2g nanos D:< 15.43.54 # Well, you can sell them on eBay and then buy a Rockbox-compatible device. 15.44.17 # haha well that's an idea, I would do that if they were fully functional 15.44.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.44.45 # Perhaps I can get the e200 to work.. 15.44.45 # Here's a chart with all of the device Rockbox is running on: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=DeviceChart 15.48.39 Quit ARvash ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.50.32 # * linuxstb spots LambdaCalculus37 doing a fine imitation of google 15.51.35 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 15.52.21 # * LambdaCalculus37 will perform an imitation of Lycos for his next trick... :P 15.53.37 # askjeeves! 15.54.11 # looks like goodness 15.54.20 # though the tables look awful, but that's hardly your fault 15.54.46 # preglow: Where, on the DeviceChart page? 15.55.14 # aye 15.55.19 # it applies to the wiki in generael 15.55.33 # tables look like something out of the web's early days 15.55.56 # Yeah, looks like a little spring cleaning is in order. 15.56.38 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.58.39 # the default twiki look is nicer, imho, but it doesn't fit with what seems to be the "rockbox look", of course 16.04.12 # the "rockbox look" of course being "sounds like a BAG OF SHIT" 16.05.29 # * LambdaCalculus37 remembers that quote :) 16.06.31 # well, i tend to agree when it comes to that blue/orange colour scheme, plus the logo 16.07.04 # * GodEater is always impressed with the audio qualities apparently possessed by bags of shit 16.09.25 Quit csc` (Remote closed the connection) 16.09.36 # preglow: Still going to commit FS #8680? 16.10.00 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-239-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.10.11 # LambdaCalculus37: if no one beats me to it 16.10.35 Join jandro [0] (n=5ce9ac9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d734566bb3b3eee4) 16.11.14 # * LambdaCalculus37 hasn't seen anyone beat preglow to FS #8680 16.12.34 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 16.13.43 # hello folks, I'm trying to install rockbox on a iriver H320, but I keep getting error -1 when loading. I've followed everysingle step for installation few times. I tried also patching different firmwares. Any idea what am I doing wrong? Thanks 16.14.06 # Are you extracting the rockbox.zip correctly? 16.14.25 # You should have a .rockbox folder in the root of the hard drive, and a rockbox.iriver file inside of that folder. 16.14.41 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 16.14.50 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.16.06 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.16.16 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-060-153-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.16.21 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.16.59 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.21.196) 16.17.09 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4395645.home.otenet.gr) 16.17.45 # well, it is under .rockbox 2 16.17.45 Join jac0b|w [0] (i=d043a7c2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-19428ba1464fdcf6) 16.17.45 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-166-153.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.18.01 # when unzip the fonts took the .rockbox name first 16.18.19 # so overwrite that folder 16.20.14 # has anyone had any problems with the rockboxdev.sh script 16.20.25 # whats the problem? 16.20.40 # I thik mine is not d/l'ing anything 16.20.46 # think* 16.21.32 # I thought it was a problem with my system but I figured out that it was not d/l'ing the packages 16.22.10 # * GodEater would suggest it's still a problem with your system since rockboxdev.sh has worked for a lot of people with no issues 16.22.29 # What are you trying to run rockboxdev.sh on? 16.22.35 Quit mackes-Office (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.22.35 # Cygin? OS X? Linux? 16.22.38 # opensuse 10.3 16.22.47 # s/Cygin/Cygwin 16.22.59 # linux 16.23.16 Join mackes-Office [0] (n=root@74.10.229.49) 16.26.05 # I already fix that, there's not any error now, but the device turns off after the lines lenght.... checksum... model... 16.26.38 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.29.27 # what I think is happening is that my system is not d/l'ing the gcc and binutils 16.31.07 # can I just d/l it and have the script compile it? 16.31.52 # yes 16.32.10 # just make sure you get the right files and put them in the tmp folder the script expects 16.32.31 # cool 16.32.34 # thanks 16.34.40 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.35.27 Quit jac0b|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.38.39 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsi230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.45.21 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@79.131.186.108) 16.49.25 Join nplus [0] (n=npl@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.50.38 Quit jandro ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.03.14 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 17.07.18 Quit tvelocity_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.11.09 Join jandro [0] (n=5ce9ac9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2b650d8e9113c8e7) 17.12.33 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 17.13.03 # Hello people, I've tried again to install rockbox on the iriver h320. I have installed the patched firmware and the .rockbox and .rockbox-fonts folders, But when loading I get error -4. any idea what am I doing wrong? thanks 17.13.41 # there isn't supposed to be a .rockbox-fonts folder, although that's not the source of your error 17.20.13 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4BF68.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.20.37 # I think -4 is a checksum failure, which means the rockbox.zip you downloaded is either corrupt, or the contents were corrupted when you wrote them to your H320. 17.20.51 # Try downloading it again, and re-unzipping it to your player 17.20.57 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 17.21.05 # ok, tranks GodEater 17.23.13 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-152-29.bchsia.telus.net) 17.24.19 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.25.02 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 17.25.19 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.159.118) 17.26.06 Quit Schmo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.26.07 Quit blithe ("leaving") 17.26.19 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 17.30.46 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.34.10 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.40.43 # Hello people, I've tried again to install rockbox on the iriver h320. I have installed the patched firmware and the .rockbox and .rockbox-fonts folders, But when loading I get error -4. I tried to download again the rockbox.zip file and to re-unzip it as GodEater suggested, but I still get the same error... Any idea? cheers 17.41.16 # Why do you have a .rockbox-fonts directory ? 17.41.56 # oh, cause I thought is was needed for the fonts, but I already removed it 17.42.10 # sorry, I partially paste the message from before 17.44.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.44.43 # Does .rockbox contain a file named rockbox.iriver ? 17.46.30 # yes, it does 17.48.12 # I would suggest trying the automatic installation tool (rockbox utility, or rbutil). 17.48.21 Quit petur ("now sports...") 17.48.41 # jandro: How big (in bytes) is your rockbox.iriver file? 17.49.21 # Also, have you checked your h320's disk for errors (e.g. chkdsk /f) ? 17.49.32 Join markun_ [0] (i=54f18042@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3f479d5057abea8d) 17.51.51 Join kennyj_ [0] (i=kennyj@kyogi.net) 17.53.41 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 17.54.00 # I tried already with the rockbox utility, but the mac version crashed when installing bootloader 17.54.29 Quit kennyj (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.42 # My rockbox.iriver file is 450376 bytes 17.55.26 Join djharve [0] (n=4386b143@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c339c230c30f49d5) 17.55.51 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23D77E.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.55.51 Quit djharve (Client Quit) 17.56.32 # * LambdaCalculus37 manages to upload the m200 bootloader using tcctool on his own laptop 17.57.37 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.166) 17.58.20 # I solved it folks, apparently there was an error in the hard drive, I checked and repaired it with the Disk Utility app and it works after that. 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That worked :) 19.42.20 # BigBambi: And that means another session with fdisk, unbuggering the partition flags. :/ 19.42.56 # n1s: thanks 19.43.16 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.43.52 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.242.139) 19.44.02 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.44.09 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.44.11 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.44.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.45.00 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.45.11 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-214-099.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 19.47.41 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3DEAD.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.48.16 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.49.07 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 19.52.49 # * gevaerts decides that reading the wiki page entirely can be helpful 19.59.49 # * gevaerts wants to know why the beast bootloader says 'File not found' 20.00.38 # gevaerts: that's an intermittent problem some people have had (I luckily never have) 20.00.39 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.00.53 # People have 'fixed' it by restoring and trying again 20.01.01 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23D77E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.02.01 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 20.02.03 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.02.38 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 20.02.39 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.03.55 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.05.03 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.05.56 # BigBambi: At least you can do nice naming for a beast with >=100GB 20.06.08 # amiconn: :) 20.06.13 # But how would one call a H1x0 or a H300 if upgraded like this? 20.06.28 # difficult 20.06.37 # H3120? H420? H312? 20.06.45 # amiconn: you see, you're all wrong in not liking the beast ;) 20.06.50 # I guess 3120 20.06.59 # but I don't really know :) 20.07.33 # gevaerts: Well, the archos recorder is similarly simple. I am planning to convert mine into an Archos Recorder 250 :) 20.07.47 # the biggest number is always the best. so a h3120 is nice.. :-) 20.09.30 # * gevaerts now tried restoring and installing rockbox three times. Still 'File not found' 20.09.47 # gevaerts: Strange. 20.09.57 # gevaerts: Did you restore to just OF, first? 20.10.04 # No 20.10.17 # Though I can't see why it'd be particularly different. 20.10.18 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 20.10.20 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 20.10.37 # gevaerts: linuxstb had the same issue, he might be able to advise 20.10.50 # I *think* he restored to the OF 20.11.10 # Maybe just booting to the OF at least once will help 20.11.34 # It didn't help me, sadly 20.14.06 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.15.09 # * gevaerts has won \o/ 20.15.38 # hurray! 20.15.42 # what did it take? 20.15.56 # The OF told me that there was an error and that it wanted to first erase all my media files. 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Out of curiosity, what are you planning to edit ? 20.45.28 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 20.45.31 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.47.36 Quit csc` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.49.01 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 20.51.23 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.166) 20.54.14 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 21.01.11 # kugel: If you intend to actually discuss things on the mailing list, please don't use it in digest mode. 21.03.31 # Llorean: Sorry yea, I've noticed that after I pushed the sent button. I just forgot to edit the subject 21.04.31 # It's not just editing the subject. 21.04.48 # kugel: be careful. If you only edit the subject, threading will still break. You also need a correct In-Reply-To (and possibly References) header 21.05.11 # Seriously, if you wish to discuss on the list, change to receiving all emails instead of a digest so that accidents are far less likely. 21.05.24 # It's not exactly a large request to make of someone who's serious about getting involved, I think 21.05.28 # I guess "Re: Settings as a plugin" was a proper subject? 21.05.43 # kugel: Note what gevaerts said.... 21.06.43 # So "RE: Settings as a plugin" is not good? 21.06.53 # It's good, but not enough 21.07.28 # It's basically impossible to construct the right headers by hand 21.07.44 # gevaerts: What part of "it's not just the subject" is confusing about the fact that you need things *other* than the subject? 21.08.03 # Sorry, that was to kugel 21.08.41 # Hmm 21.09.31 # The -dev list is not particularly high-volume anyway 21.09.49 # I don't get this. I'm fairly new to mailing lists. rockbox-dev is the first only I'm subscribed to, and the answer I made was also the first one 21.10.25 # kugel: You need to change the mode so that you receive all emails, instead of one big email. then you need to actually respond to the email. 21.10.35 # ok 21.10.38 # Emails contain a lot more information that the user doesn't see, and that information is needed to properly archive them. 21.11.29 Join andi5432 [0] (n=5620785b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0624a10e93fa3a5a) 21.11.32 # hi 21.11.52 # i wanted to ask if the new ipod nano is supported or not? 21.11.58 # no 21.12.05 # thats a shame 21.12.32 # what rockbox compatible mp3 player would you guys reccomend 21.12.49 # andi5432: it depends on what you want it to do 21.12.51 # my 1st gen nano just broke and want to buy a rockbox mp3 21.13.19 # just mp3, hard drive, display of like nano size 21.13.37 # no videos and fancy stuff but still not a shuffle 21.13.38 # andi5432: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide 21.13.42 # thnx 21.13.46 Quit ap0 ("Bye.") 21.14.24 # kugel: http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/message-threading.html has some explanations about all this 21.14.26 # small(ish) color display hd targets are basically ipod photo/color iriver h300 iaudio x5 iriver h10 21.16.15 # did the rock box team stop developing though? 21.16.26 # no touch are supported 21.16.39 # andi5432: no, some new ports are being worked on check the TargetStatus wiki page 21.16.54 # gevaerts: I think the thread system is clear to me, but obviously not how to correctly answer a topic 21.17.18 # ohh 21.17.23 # thanks a lot guys 21.17.28 # i'll be heading ouit 21.17.30 Quit andi5432 ("CGI:IRC") 21.17.36 # andi5432: rockbox development is far far from dea....bah 21.17.54 # * n1s deletes his long reply too :/ 21.17.59 # kugel: To correctly answer, you must receive all emails, and reply to the actual email. Not start a new email. 21.18.04 # That's all there is to it. 21.18.13 # kugel: just stop using digest mode, get individual mails, and reply to the individual ones 21.18.50 # So just buy another 1st gen nano, then. 21.19.12 # Or buy a Sansa. But the choice is up to you to make. 21.19.27 # .... 21.19.29 # Never mind. 21.19.34 # * LambdaCalculus37 hates when lag hits 21.19.34 # Llorean: I intended to answer your email, so would be "Re: Re: Settings as a plugin (Paul Louden)" (or maybe one Re is enough) good? 21.19.54 # kugel: It isn't just the title 21.19.56 # kugel: stop 21.19.57 # sit 21.19.57 # scorche|sh: Yea, I'm just trying to get to the settings 21.19.58 # listen 21.20.26 # kugel: There's not really any way to fix this. You've already broken threading for this thread, and since you haven't received the previous emails, there's not a good solution. 21.22.10 # Is that digest mode on by default? I don't remember that I activated it 21.22.27 # kugel: In regards to "running from flash", the plugin buffer can be used just fine. The problem occurs though when the in-flash version of Rockbox differs from the on-disk version due to a plugin API change. At this point settings (and thus most of the menu system) becomes completely inaccessible. 21.23.07 # In regards to TSR plugins, these are plugins like battery bench that keep running on the background. Though there aren't many now, the feature can be used for interesting things, and would conflict directly with use of the plugin buffer for settings. 21.23.36 # * kugel turned digest mode off now 21.24.26 # gevaerts: Thank you. As to what I am planning to edit: it's the Sansa Accessories page, to add my experience with a dock. 21.24.36 Quit herrwaldo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.24.39 # Llorean: Ah ok thanks for explanation 21.25.22 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.27.03 # maisy: great :) Now promise not to spam ;) 21.27.38 # gevaerts: I won't spam, I hate spam! 21.28.11 # Even with eggs? (sorry, couldn't resist :P) 21.28.24 # Maybe with some baked beans ? 21.28.39 # :) 21.28.57 # maisy: Welcome to Rockbox! 21.30.32 # Spam from my childhood was food, Spam in my adult life is digital junk. Eggs are good, baked beans too, but with digital spam? No. With food spam, if childhood memory serves me well, I'd rather not have it either. 21.30.45 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3c189@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dddf55f170abc40b) 21.31.15 # Hello. Does the RbUtil perform an update if run on the dap with rockbox already installed? 21.31.46 # yep 21.31.50 # fml, rbutil always installs the newest build, so yes its an update.. :-) 21.35.23 # domonoky: couldn't it then be explicitly stated? I.e. Install/Update or the like 21.38.08 # could be a idea, or detect if rockbox is already installed and change the button text .. :-) 21.38.48 # fml: But it's just a reinstall with the newest version. 21.39.00 # There's really no such thing as an "update". Everything is overwritten. 21.39.34 # anyone know how long the Rockbox project has been around? 21.40.26 # late 2001-ish 21.40.49 # But no official releases until around mid-2002. 21.41.03 # wow, didnt think it had been around that long 21.41.19 # Llorean: yes, that's what it's technically. But for a user it's an update. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.02.08 # domonoky: I was thinking about the "update" issue too. Well, a while back ;-) 22.02.50 # IMO an update button in the Quick Start tab would be nice. But that somewhat would require a proper startup detection I'm planning to do. 22.03.10 # but for now I'm still working on the bootloader ... and probably should finish that first ;-) 22.03.30 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008051206]") 22.03.39 # (nagging mode on) What's about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8965? If the mode is here to stay then it should be possible to display it in the WPS. Or take the mode out. 22.04.25 Quit csc` (Remote closed the connection) 22.05.04 # * bluebrother votes for removal 22.05.18 # fml: You expect a consensus to be reached and a decision made? In #rockbox? 22.05.27 # * Llorean votes for removal until such time as it can be reimplemented and renamed. 22.05.36 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 22.05.44 # * Llorean expects a consensus within 1.5 months or less 22.06.20 # argh 22.06.24 # wps tags for everything :/ 22.06.35 # linuxstb: not a consensus but a person brave enough to take the scissors and... 22.06.38 # * preglow wants study mode renamed and reworked 22.06.57 # * bluebrother seconds preglow 22.07.00 # fml: Ah, you mean a volunteer? 22.07.01 Quit knitt1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.02 # * BigBambi_PC isn't bothered if it stays or gos, but it *must* be renamed 22.07.07 # *goes 22.07.15 # and i think that should be done before anything else related to it 22.07.43 # preglow: could you take a look at the mpc seek buffer rework in FS#9015? 22.07.54 Quit crash91 ("Ex-Chat") 22.08.03 # * gevaerts disagrees with BigBambi_PC. If it's removed, it doesn't need to be renamed 22.08.04 # Buschel: i already have, and it looks good to me, though i didn't exactly do a close code analysis 22.08.16 # gevaerts: hehe, fair enough :) 22.08.25 # linuxstb: yes, a seasoned surgeon :-) 22.08.25 # domonoky: would there be something against autodetecting at startup in rbutil? with several targets the"invalid confi" dialog is a bit annoying 22.08.59 # preglow: any testing done? i hopefully get some very large files tomorrow to check these 22.09.04 # Nico_P: I have such a thing on my todo. Thing is that I want to perform several other things the same time -- like checking the network 22.09.06 # Buschel: no testing, no, no rockbox time now 22.09.22 # preglow: real life? ;) 22.09.33 # yeah, ordinary work + preparing for moving 22.09.46 # bluebrother: nice to know you're thinking about it 22.10.16 # Buschel: planning to remove the metadata sv4-6 code, btw? 22.10.25 # Nico_P: I have a few ideas on how to make the user experience a bit more convenient. If only time wouldn't be that much in my way ... ;-) 22.10.51 # permission check is another thing waiting. 22.11.25 # preglow: i'll do so if the next time i'm sitting in front of my dev-pc. the next days, i think. 22.11.49 # Buschel: should be a quick commit, i'd do it myself if i had a target nearby 22.11.52 # preglow: will be some tiny change though 22.12.00 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.15.26 Join frinkazoid [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-210-40.dsl.scarlet.be) 22.16.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.17.11 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-45e107471fbb25a3) 22.17.30 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-99-155-236-59.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 22.17.46 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-177.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.18.28 # linuxstb: have you been able to inject more custom code to sansa v2? 22.19.50 # * gevaerts disagrees with BigBambi_PC. 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