--- Log for 29.05.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 26 days and 10 hours ago 00.02.18 # I'm off to bed now 00.02.31 # * petur finally took the time to give all his devcon07 pictures a more permanent spot: http://picasaweb.google.be/peturbox/RockboxDevcon2007 00.04.18 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.05.37 # * scorche|sh wants devcon time to hurry up and get here 00.06.34 # * Hillshum wants tomorrow to come 00.06.38 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.07.04 # * petur just noticed tomorrow is here 00.07.11 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.07.17 # really 00.07.29 # 00:07 here now 00.07.34 # 00.07.39 # * Bagder just nosticed the two movie clips in the slide show of petur's pics... 00.07.45 # not in Utah 00.08.21 # there is another movie clip that is too big for picasaweb 00.09.52 # "Please note that our restaurant offers an all-you-can-eat-all-you-can-drink breakfast buffet for 5,90 Euro per person" 00.10.07 # :-) 00.10.14 # yes I saw that too 00.10.27 # and we get 10% off as guests 00.10.42 # erm, for lunch that is 00.10.52 # I can't seem to get the simulator output into a file 00.11.00 # now I'm off for real 00.11.06 # ./rockboxui > text.txt ? doesn't work 00.11.18 # Try &> 00.12.11 # Llorean: Thanks! What is the difference between those? 00.12.32 # > just redirects stdout, &> redirects stdout and stderr, iiuc. 00.13.17 Quit n1s () 00.13.58 # So, DEBUGF sends it to stderr? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.13.51 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable097.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.13.58 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.19.06 Join RobbieG [0] (i=9297707b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4999e2927db4df99) 03.19.30 Quit neddy (Remote closed the connection) 03.21.35 # Does album art support come built into the current build for iRiver H10 20GB? Or do I need a special patch? 03.22.19 # it should 03.22.26 # i havent used an i river 03.22.31 # it does 03.22.42 # but usually builds are similar through systems, personally i use a sansa and it does 03.23.05 # u might need a certain theme though, only some themes display album art 03.23.24 # I'm using a custom build from a while ago that included an album art patch to make it work. 03.23.30 # Thanks for the help! 03.23.36 # welcome 03.33.58 Join dsh-1 [0] (n=daishi@ool-18be2452.dyn.optonline.net) 03.38.34 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.48.19 Part RobbieG 03.49.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.58.02 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 03.58.04 # There's a $20 s30 (doesn't power on) and $40 s60 (works, cracked screen) on ebay, both with 30m left. 03.58.18 # gah 03.58.47 # Hello all. 03.59.29 # aloha 03.59.57 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.00.42 # do you know what the "send me thermistors" comment by JhMikeS is all about? 04.00.55 # jhMikeS: ping 04.01.06 # yes 04.01.15 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.01.18 # talk to me toffe82~ 04.01.20 # it is a component on the board of the gigabeat S 04.01.38 # so if you have a broken board, you can send it to him 04.01.47 # gotcha. What does it do? 04.01.53 # (the thermistor) 04.01.56 # Davide-NYC: pon 04.01.59 # -g 04.02.22 # it's to measure batt temp btw 04.02.23 # jhMikeS: we're talking about thermistors, why you want them, how to get them and what they are doing to america's children 04.02.55 # it's a failsafe for potential exploding batterie? 04.02.57 # thermistors are definitely what's wrong with america today 04.03.02 # haha 04.03.41 # you want to monitor battery temp and avoid/stop charging if it's out of range 04.04.23 # you definitely don't want to bring the battery to hardware failsafe points since those can be unrecoverable 04.05.10 # I see, so we're a bunch of woosies. 04.05.38 # If I come across a dead GBS I will certainly procure it and send it your way 04.05.52 # if you like flames and such, just remove the battery safety circuits and max it all out :) 04.06.59 # Rock On! 04.07.20 # I think I'm being censored a bit. 04.07.28 # Davide-NYC: I'm just trying to gather data for more than one (unless we get luckly enough to get a datasheet on that part somehow). btw, you mentioned getting me a spare x5 main pcb :) 04.07.40 Join HuitZiloP [0] (n=chatzill@190.73.238.40) 04.07.40 # Oh yeah. 04.07.47 # I'll have that in the mail manana!~ 04.08.06 # $$? 04.08.10 # sup everyone 04.08.20 # if I install rockbox will I lose my music? 04.08.27 # No 04.08.30 Part Llorean 04.08.48 # but if I don'tlike it I do have t restore it, right? 04.08.48 # You may not be able to play it in Rockbox though, if it's DRM'd. 04.09.06 # so I'll have to load 'em again? 04.09.25 # Rockbox dual-boots, so if you don't like it, you don't have to uninstall it. 04.09.33 # ohhh thanks a lot man!!!!! 04.09.42 # But if you do uninstall, you probably would lose have to format then. 04.09.47 # -lose 04.09.58 # oh, ok, thanks a lot 04.10.09 # be back when I'm done and tell ya how it went 04.10.34 Quit HuitZiloP (Client Quit) 04.11.49 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 04.13.47 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-75-16-157-33.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 04.14.38 Quit jhulst_ ("Konversation terminated!") 04.15.07 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279532010.dsl.bell.ca) 04.19.25 # * Davide-NYC laments the non-existance of an iRiver H5x0 player (w optical I/O) 04.22.00 # jhMikeS: How do you feel about Petur's Hold-Charge idea? 04.22.39 # Hold charge can't work on the Ondio or FM Recorder or M3. There's really no way it can be cross-target consistent. 04.22.51 # I don't see how it's really considerable if the goal is to make it more consistent. 04.23.47 # Well I had posted a slution for that but it dissappeared somehow 04.24.07 # I suggested that a news menu item be created. 04.24.17 # Nevermind. I'll put in the tracker 04.24.28 # How does a new menu item fix it? 04.24.40 # If a menu item was acceptable, there'd be no reason to have the hold switch do it in the first place. 04.24.58 # because it is SOOOO elegant for target with a hold switch 04.25.07 # No, it's really not. 04.25.11 # It might be for you, but not for everyone. 04.25.13 # Davide-NYC: I don't know...hold is the least "invasive" button press but feels weird to me 04.25.19 # you can't win (or lose) thatone 04.25.24 # I find it elegant 04.25.31 # As I said though, it's not for everyone 04.25.42 # So why not discuss issues that are objective, such as "can it be done on all targets" 04.25.45 # that's why I suggested what I suggested. 04.25.54 # What's *wrong* with holding a button? 04.26.03 # Especially when the user can hold *any* button? 04.26.22 # We've had people holding Menu on targets for years now without finding it too difficult to manage. 04.26.58 # My main dislike of holding a button is that it causes some other action to be performed in the menus or whatever and you don't know where it might be invoked from and what the side-effect might be (say, from a plugin) 04.27.24 Join antler [0] (n=antler@123.24.208.68) 04.27.36 # jhMikeS: My suggestion is that any button when held down works, so the user can pick their favorite button in terms of "what it causes to happen" for that screen. 04.27.41 # Drastic idea: Since I've always hated it and found it redundant and counter intuitive, how about KILLING the quickscreen? 04.27.46 # For example, holding "Left" is pretty safe in nearly any screen 04.27.59 # Davide-NYC: How is it counter-intuitive? 04.28.12 # All settings are found in the menu 04.28.22 # That's not counter-intuitive... 04.28.34 # That's "redundant" possibly. 04.28.36 # But only a few are in the quickscreen and never change any of them. 04.28.40 # * jhMikeS gets a nutty idea... 04.28.50 # * Davide-NYC excited 04.28.55 # Davide-NYC: Some of us use the two of the three quickscreen options several times a day. 04.29.02 # I think the files one is redundant though 04.29.05 # Er file view 04.29.26 # But what does that have to do with USB connection. If the quickscreen were removed, that button would just get another function instead. 04.29.35 # skimmed the manual for my rockbox ipod 5.5G and i don't recall it saying anything about uninstalling apps. is it possible to uninstall the apps that i don't use in rockbox, e.g., metronome? 04.29.40 # Plug the USB allow 1 second to connect, if pulled before connect allows two seconds to be plugged again which enters charge-only mode. 04.29.50 # antler: Just delete the .rock files, but there's on reason to remove them. 04.30.11 # jhMikeS: too much strain on the connector 04.30.13 # jhMikeS: Part of the idea was not to have a delay. Otherwise we could just have it pop up a menu that says "Connecting, press Select to cancel" for 2 seconds. 04.30.33 # I really like htat aactually 04.30.36 # thank, Llorean. for me, the only way to exit metronome, for example, is to shut down the ipod--i don't like that. 04.30.43 # 2 second mount delay sounds perfect 04.30.50 # Why? 04.30.53 Join Edd [0] (n=40d3757d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ecd3f6d6fb911c8) 04.30.54 # there would only be a tiny delay and a longer one if you unplug within the initial period only 04.31.00 # antler: that sounds like a bug 04.31.08 # Is it really so frustrating to press a button the few times you need to connect? 04.31.16 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.31.20 # If you can press it after, surely you can press it *during* 04.31.25 # jhMikeS: I do not want to put more wear than necessary on my precious and discontinued eletronics 04.31.49 # Davide-NYC: could be. i did install w/ the latest win32 installer, though. 04.31.58 # but by pressing after you are not interacting with the rockbox UI 04.32.02 # antler: Did you check the manual to find out how to exit? 04.32.05 # actually, if the delay isn't minded, then the button context can be overridden during the delay period which makes more sense and doesn't have bad side-effects 04.32.21 # Llorean: ... checking now. 04.32.25 # :-) 04.32.31 # Davide-NYC: And popping up the quickscreen doesn't interact with the Rockbox UI because the USB connection screen will remove it anyway... 04.32.36 # antler: I bet you are just not using the right button, it may not be consistent (unfortunatley the plugins are not all consistent) 04.32.52 # If your default is "don't connect" and you hold Menu while connecting, the Quickscreen will show up, then immediately vanish to the USB screen. 04.33.11 # wait, I'm not understanding 04.33.53 # Sorry if this is a dumb question. Does anyone know if a feature like libmikmod support (8806) is likely to make it into regular rockbox releases? 04.33.55 # Davide-NYC: that's probably it. checking manual now. 04.34.01 # you cannot press menu and connect the USB cable at *exactly* the same millisecond 04.34.08 # * Llorean sighs 04.34.23 # Davide-NYC: Holding Menu just pops up the quickscreen. What can you do, on the quickscreen, without pressing ANY other button, before USB is plugged in? 04.34.26 # does any OF do this sort of thing? 04.34.40 # that's inelegant, sorry 04.34.44 # jhMikeS: Most OFs just connect, then you can eject the device to continue charging. 04.35.06 # * Davide-NYC didn't ever think of that 04.35.08 # Davide-NYC: That's a bullshit excuse, frankly. It's functional, it prevents accidents, it doesn't slow down connection pointlessly, and it allows the feature to work on all targets. 04.35.27 # 2 seconds! that's not a long delay 04.35.34 # where are you running to? 04.35.41 # What's the rush? 04.35.45 # ; 04.35.49 # Why have a delay if it's 100% unnecessary? 04.36.07 # You could even make the quickscreen come up on release of menu, instead of on press. 04.36.11 # That way you never see it if holding Menu 04.36.17 # now you're talking 04.36.29 # that's a solution 04.36.47 # But why are we so concerned about trivial matters of appearance over making the feature work quickly, and reducing accidents? 04.37.05 # I'm not sure what you mean by accidents? 04.37.11 # With the hold switch method 04.37.26 # People will plug in their devices, have it not connect, and file bug reports. I guarantee it. 04.37.45 # Ah, but not if the screen displays a clear message 04.37.56 # Or bump a button within 2 seconds, have their device not connect, and write bug reports saying "Sometimes my device doesn't connect" because they don't even look at the screen. 04.38.11 # Why not have a method that's very, extremely explicit. 04.38.22 # I personally find it a bit inelegant to have the UI going into various screens on connect and given that key input isn't managed anyway no nice solution exists to assign keyboard input to a particular screen and deny others. 04.38.24 # That wouldnot happen if we just went with Petur's idea with clear messaging 04.38.29 # Common sense dictates that once your USB cable is plugged in, user input is not wanted on the device. 04.38.58 # which is why Petur's idea of reversing the behavior is so elegant 04.39.05 # Llorean: unless it is to charge 04.39.18 # scorche: Yes, but then you've put in user input *before* the connection. 04.39.19 # hm...ok. to exit metronome press menu. did that just now and yesterday. can't exit. oh well, no biggie. 04.39.29 # Davide-NYC: Reversing what behaviour? 04.39.35 # somtimes "KISS" leads to making things harder in the long run :\ 04.39.37 # Hold ON = Disk mode 04.39.40 # Llorean: sorry...thought you were speaking in a general case and not to this specific one 04.39.41 # I think any time you ask a user to press something *after* the cable is connected, it goes against common sense. 04.40.10 Quit SgtPnkks (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.40.14 # Davide-NYC: I've already explained why having hold on vs off is going to inspire bug reports. Reversing it just means it'll charge, and they'll come in saying "Why doesn't Rockbox connect to USB?" 04.40.16 # Llorean: the hold switch is always set before the cable is pluggedin AFAIU 04.40.39 # The default behaviour should, absolutely, be "if the user doesn't do anything, plugging in a USB cable connects USB" 04.40.40 # But Llorean, if the screen displays a clear message this will not happen 04.40.43 # This is what 99% of users will expect 04.40.45 # (mostly) 04.40.47 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.40.49 Join SgtPnkks [0] (n=wangchun@74-137-160-38.dhcp.insightbb.com) 04.40.59 # What message could the screen possibly display when charging that doesn't interfere with the UI? 04.41.03 # * jhMikeS just backs out and leave Davide-NYC and Llorean to fight :p 04.41.35 # Crap. You got me. 04.42.10 # The one point I'm adamant on, though, is that USB connection behaviour needs to, by default install, be "plug in cable, USB connects" with nothing needing done by the user. 04.42.24 # No argument on that 04.42.37 # Which means USB connection needs to be "Hold off" or "no buttons pressed" by default. 04.43.11 # But "hold on/off" isn't really something that is done by the user. It's just the last state it was in. 04.43.30 # Usually hold is on when I connect my iPod because it's just been in my pocket 04.43.37 # cool_walking_: That's kinda my point. It's not explicit enough, and it's prone to accidents (or clueless users thinking sometihng's broken because they don't realize it changes behaviour other than ignoring buttons) 04.43.52 Join alienbiker99 [0] (n=alienbik@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 04.44.04 # Llorean: you win because you are right. There is no way to tell the user what is "wrong" without interfering with the UI 04.44.23 # Davide-NYC: I think in most cases there are "mostly" non-interfering buttons 04.44.29 # * Davide-NYC imagines flashing a message periodically and vomits 04.44.32 # Holding "Left" for example is "safe" 99.99% of the time 04.44.44 # nah, just use the quickscreen button 04.44.54 # does the QS button exist on all targets? 04.45.05 # Well I still think "any button" is the best choice. Leaves it up to the user, they can pick a button they feel comfortable pressing and know where it'll end up 04.45.13 # Ondio doesn't have a quickscreen I believe 04.45.38 # that's not good because it'll cause music to stop playing or tracks to be skipped or what have you unintended behavior 04.45.56 # think of emergency charging during a DJ set at a party 04.46.09 # Use the context menu button instead, then. 04.46.24 # There's usually one or two buttons that can be held without interfering functionally, just changing the screen. 04.46.29 # which button is that (on an h1x0 for example) 04.46.32 # Select 04.46.41 # that'll work 04.46.44 # It's the one we currently use for e200s 04.47.01 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.47.12 # So is this settled? 04.47.18 Quit simonrvn (Nick collision from services.) 04.47.26 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.47.44 # I'm sure it'll never be settled until someone actually codes up a patch and commits it. 04.47.50 # Someone will always come up with a new point. 04.47.57 # Couldn't you potentially (though unlikely) do dangerous things with Select, like deleting a file? 04.48.09 # cool_walking_: Only if you press it more than once. 04.48.19 # Like, several times, with an up and down included. 04.48.45 # sorry to continue this, but I prefer the QS buttong 04.48.48 # *button 04.48.57 Quit suom1 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.48.57 Quit Jon-Kha (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit Slasheri (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit Naked (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit antler (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit tedrock (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit parafin (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit tvelocity (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit XavierGr (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit crope (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit homielowe (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit Neovanglist (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit Ave (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.48.57 Quit ch4os (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.49.20 # I prefer the QS button too, where available, but think Select on some players makes more sense (much easier to get to on the e200, for example) 04.49.32 # That's why I'm in favour of "any button". The user can pick their preference, and not really care. 04.49.45 # Wait! Unless the context menu appears on release of SELECT 04.49.59 # the problem with that is that it makes using it a hassle. 04.50.04 Join ctaylorr_ [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279531416.dsl.bell.ca) 04.50.08 # Currently you know you've held select long enough *because* the menu comes up 04.50.15 # rigt 04.50.24 # * Davide-NYC urghh 04.50.26 # if it's on release you'll be holding it for an uncertain amount of time. If you release it too early, you just entered a folder or played a song. 04.50.27 # can rb play .m4a? 04.50.34 # JdGordon: If unencrypted, yes. 04.50.49 # I assume a torrent would be :) 04.50.55 # Usually, yes 04.51.04 # 's just AAC usually 04.51.14 # I'm playing one now 04.51.18 Nick anakiabpm is now known as Anakin (i=0@86.122.116.44) 04.52.18 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.52.18 NJoin Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@69.31.129.33) 04.53.12 # Think rockbox will eventually support mod files in a default install? 04.53.18 # One day 04.53.25 # Some mod files already are 04.54.04 # As of the 21st of this month. 04.54.25 # Cool. Are it, s3m & xm a part of that? 04.54.40 # I don't know, but I think it's limited to just .mod right now. 04.55.28 # ok. I think I've seen the task for that. I was hoping another one was coming along. 04.55.49 # It'll come along if people interested in it do the work. Just like everything else in rockbox. :) 04.55.53 # Llorean: do we have any real numbers as to how many users we have for each target. Is there any way to figure this out? 04.56.05 # Davide-NYC: The best we have is just download counts for a given month. 04.56.06 # Sounds like a possibility though. I'll keep watching. Thanks. 04.56.07 # Not terribly useful. 04.56.30 # maybe eliminating redundant downloads by unique IP? 04.56.36 # It would be closer 04.56.57 # I dunno. A lot of people stick with old, stable builds. A lot of people in X community use unsupported builds. Etc, etc. 04.57.12 # Plus it doesn't show anything about people who compile their own builds. 04.57.22 NJoin tedrock [0] (n=tedrock@d235-156-24.home1.cgocable.net) 04.57.22 NJoin parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 04.57.22 NJoin tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4399412.home.otenet.gr) 04.57.22 NJoin XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 04.57.22 NJoin crope [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net) 04.57.22 NJoin suom1 [0] (i=suom1@irssi.mobi) 04.57.22 NJoin homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-152-29.bchsia.telus.net) 04.57.22 NJoin Jon-Kha [0] (i=jon-kha@xdsl-83-150-91-127.nebulazone.fi) 04.57.22 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 04.57.22 NJoin ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 04.57.22 NJoin Ave [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 04.57.24 Quit Anakin (Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 04.57.27 # surveys ? :) 04.57.35 NJoin Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 04.57.35 # We could try some sort of poll. 04.57.46 Join knakinjen [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 04.58.01 # how do i find what dock connector pinouts are by testing 04.58.07 Quit Edd ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.58.31 # amiconn is exempt because he'll skew the grayscale target count :) 04.58.31 # but people would have to see the poll 04.58.47 # Yeah 04.59.00 # The main thing is that the count is probably always going to be higher among the newest targets. 04.59.09 # Even avid fans of the older targets are probably going to gradually download them less often. 04.59.33 # I think the majority of our users are iPod Video, e200, and iPod Nano? 04.59.55 # no way. H1x0 05.00.07 # * Davide-NYC duck 05.00.08 # the downoad stats also is only for the svn build... it doesnt count download.rockbox.org 05.00.30 # Which means it basically rules out the blind community, who tend to stick more to dailies since then the voice matches exactly 05.00.38 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.01.26 # I'm building some sims to see if I can;t figure this damn charge only option out 05.01.32 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.01.33 # * jhMikeS tends to have specialty players like gigabeats (video), x5 (best sounding), H120 (best recording), etc. 05.02.13 # wow, in your opinion the X5 sounds noticably better than the H1x0 series? 05.02.18 # Gigabeat is "it cost me the least of my HD targets, so it gets to leave the house" 05.02.30 # The H1x0 has a significant hiss that I'm not fond of. 05.02.41 # i pretty much just use the sansa for everything, its so nice and small 05.02.46 # * Davide-NYC must be going deaf in his old age. Or I listen to loud rock music. 05.03.16 # Davide-NYC: indeed. much clearer and spatial sounds actually sound external in the headphones which I haven't heard on others. 05.03.51 # jhMikeS: I'm impressed by this opinion. I've never owned an X5. 05.03.53 # Maybe this "Rockbox Player" will set a new standard. ;) 05.04.02 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.04.14 # it's freaked me out a few times since I thought something was coming from outside 05.04.17 # I really hope to see that come to fruition. I'd certainly purchase one. 05.04.21 # * scorche wonders if Rockbox Player has filled the void left by Zunelinux 05.04.42 # * Davide-NYC senses sarcasm? 05.05.12 # * jhMikeS didn't know Zunelinux ever made a void 05.05.23 # Davide-NYC: Evidence suggests that it's not going to become something particularly appealing. 05.05.47 # jhMikeS: i dont think they made anything, actually ;) 05.05.47 # * Davide-NYC is bummed 05.06.18 # Mostly because it sounds like they're trying to simply build an open, but more expensive, alternative to existing players more than filling a void in the current selection of available gadgets. 05.08.59 # well, they said it was going to have optical I/O, which no exists in any produced consumer grade target 05.09.21 # * Davide-NYC why can't I type properly? 05.09.22 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@c-24-11-77-187.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.09.40 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.10.12 # Davide-NYC: I think the beast may be a close contender but I haven't listened to very much on that yet 05.10.38 # Davide-NYC: I think they were just considering optical since it was much wanted. 05.10.44 Nick adamorjames is now known as aoj|away (n=chatzill@75-32-192-228.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net) 05.10.53 # As it stands, software USB offers a sort of option for digital audio in/out anyway. 05.10.53 # Llorean: that would make it viable IMO 05.11.19 Nick jhulst__ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@c-24-11-77-187.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.11.19 # Davide-NYC: there are professional grade DAPs available? 05.11.28 # would software USB allow for high bitrate/bitdepth recording? 05.11.47 # jhMikeS: well they would be considered DARs. 05.12.30 # Davide-NYC: how would it allow for a higher bitrate than what the DAC can process? 05.12.42 # the gigabeats have direct I2S lines on the connectors so an external codec could be hooked in 05.12.59 # scorche: Well for digital recording, no DAC is necessarily involved 05.13.20 # You won't be able to playback, but you USB allows for data rates vastly higher than any audio you're ever likely to want to record. 05.13.34 # Llorean: is he suggesting we just use the device as a portable hard drive then? 05.13.44 # Llorean: don;t be so sure, 16bit 44.1kHz is doo doo is some circles 05.13.45 # That's more or less what digital recording is, anyway. 05.13.55 # Davide-NYC: 480Mbps. 05.14.13 # theoretical.... 05.14.15 # You can run an HD-DVD with lossless 7.1 audio over a USB connection. 05.14.30 # I like the sound of that 05.14.54 # JdGordon: True, theoretical. But audio, even really high grade, isn't going to approach a significant fraction of that even. 05.16.50 Quit ctaylorr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.23.09 Quit Zarggg ("Pursued by a bear") 05.26.23 Quit XavierGr () 05.26.59 # * Davide-NYC AFK 05.27.47 # you dont need to do that.. 05.29.35 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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At least I myself didn't when I got to irt for a first time. 08.11.11 # well, that of course depends on the channel 08.12.27 # LinusN: Agreed. 08.14.29 # BTW, I wonder are there any plays to add a speech support in rockbox while playback is paused. If there is anyone who is able to answer the question, of course. 08.14.56 # fleytin: I don't think anyone is working particularly hard on that issue atm 08.15.18 # yes there are plans, but it requires some major changes to the audio drivers 08.15.53 Join Shaid3 [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.15.53 # well, not exactly major, but somewhat tricky 08.18.16 # you see, to pause the music, rockbox stops the audio DMA, which in turn prevents any audio playback. we need to change the playback subsystem to only stop the audio decoding and not the DMA. that in turn requires some changes to the playback code, and also a new audio mixing strategy. 08.19.11 # wow - that sounded almost like a mission statement. i should buy a suit. :-) 08.19.33 # * B4gder sees a pointy hair subject 08.19.49 # if i had hair, that is... :-P 08.19.56 # haha 08.20.32 # Thanks for the answers! :-) 08.27.12 # LinusN: red.... 08.27.26 # gah 08.27.54 # oops 08.28.06 # :-D 08.28.44 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.29.25 # amiconn: do you think it's koscher to use #ifdef ADC_ACCESSORY? 08.29.38 Nick EspeonEfi is now known as EspeonEefi (n=espeonee@c-75-66-48-243.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 08.30.17 # i'll do that, it's only a debug menu after all 08.34.11 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.12 Nick Shaid3 is now known as Shaid (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.39.53 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06cbbc52a0b727ce) 08.49.17 Quit fleytin ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)") 08.50.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 08.54.19 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD69A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.57.41 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.57.58 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.58.28 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 08.59.20 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.03.13 Quit jeffdamet1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.04.40 Part Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 09.04.48 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 09.06.41 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c210-49-157-20.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.09.37 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.12.30 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.56 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a3d59b5384736fe7) 09.16.25 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9551312ecc3374dc) 09.18.23 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.32.52 # hmmm seems the X5 doesn't like CF 09.33.50 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.33.57 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa433c1e6035037f) 09.41.49 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 09.49.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.50.42 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.50.56 Quit dr_dasos ("Leaving") 09.51.50 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9e865074fe6a963a) 09.58.10 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.01.40 Join SgtPnkks [0] (n=wangchun@74-137-160-38.dhcp.insightbb.com) 10.02.55 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.03.11 Quit SgtPnkks1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.03.24 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c210-49-157-20.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.05.03 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.07.17 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.10.52 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 10.12.28 Join kennyj_ [0] (i=kennyj@kyogi.net) 10.13.48 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.15.29 Quit nuonguy ("Leaving") 10.18.59 Quit kennyj (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.35.53 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-147.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.37.31 Join kennyj [0] (i=kennyj@kyogi.net) 10.38.24 Quit midgey () 10.39.16 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.46.36 Quit kennyj_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.50.16 Join kennyj_ [0] (i=kennyj@kyogi.net) 10.56.45 Quit kennyj (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.04.20 # petur: Guess it's just the rockbox bootloader. Latest official one is from before your CF related ata changes 11.04.59 # oh.... I misread that as using latest svn bootloader.... 11.06.01 # although... "X5 Bootloader updated to current build" 11.06.36 # bootloader version = r17428M 11.06.46 # hmm 11.07.44 # arg, WTF? 11.12.29 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 11.15.38 # arg crap! 11.16.40 # hmm... might be ok actually... 11.17.54 # * petur looks at the above lines from JdGordon and goes to edit the GoldenQuotes page ;) 11.20.23 # they arnt that special :'( 11.21.57 # * petur was just joking... it looks funny from here though ;) 11.22.27 # :) 11.22.40 # * JdGordon remembers to do more commentry for the channel 11.22.55 # yippe :) 11.24.34 # :) nice n harmless delta to go with the green row 11.25.09 # petur: you havnt done anything about stripping the drawing code out of the main loop in the rec screen yet have you? 11.25.39 # not much... no time at all :( 11.25.45 # k 11.28.35 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 11.29.22 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.30.43 # anyone feel like doing a quick find/replace in the source for HAS_BUTTONBAR to HAVE_BUTTONBAR ? 11.33.34 Quit vort3x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.34.22 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A60C8.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.36.19 Quit Arathis (Client Quit) 11.40.51 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB223D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.43.08 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.43) 11.49.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.05.32 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3037.gwdg.de) 12.08.47 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.09.57 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.26.08 Quit SgtPnkks (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.26.08 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.26.08 Quit Neovanglist (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.26.08 Quit AndyI (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.26.08 Quit maraz_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.26.08 Quit daywalker (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.26.08 Quit lostlogic (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.27.06 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.27.06 NJoin SgtPnkks [0] (n=wangchun@74-137-160-38.dhcp.insightbb.com) 12.27.06 NJoin Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@69.31.129.33) 12.27.06 NJoin AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.27.06 NJoin maraz_ [0] (i=maraz@xob.kapsi.fi) 12.27.06 NJoin daywalker [0] (n=daywalke@ip-77-87-189-6.dnspower.de) 12.27.06 NJoin lostlogic [50] (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 12.27.24 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Remote closed the connection) 12.28.08 Quit Neovanglist (Connection reset by peer) 12.28.12 Join Neovanglist [0] (i=Neovangl@69.31.129.33) 12.42.39 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.53.39 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.53.50 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 12.56.02 Join lolmaus [0] (i=lolmaus@83.167.114.28) 12.57.07 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@124-168-87-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.04.05 # anyone feel like testing out a patch to make sure i didnt just break the fm screen? 13.16.22 # nah. commit it and wait for the chaos. ;) 13.17.39 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.18.05 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.20.03 # how did you guess :p 13.22.00 # holy crap! green row.... 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^_^ 16.04.06 Quit japc (Client Quit) 16.04.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7F30.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.05.05 # PaulJam: whats 9044? 16.06.00 # hmm... 16.07.42 # JdGordon: slight misalignment in the delete screen. happenes after your changes to the yes/no screen. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9044 16.08.44 # not a big issue, but you said you are bored :) 16.09.16 # ah but that was an hour ago... now im tired :p 16.09.22 # but ill have a looky 16.10.11 # i just thought since you recently worked on that code you might know whats going on. 16.11.43 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 16.12.32 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.12.33 # you sure thats 8 pixels? 16.13.29 # Looks like ~4 16.13.52 Part LinusN 16.14.42 # i'm quite sure the text is 8 pixel too high 16.15.41 # Oh, sorry, I was looking at the wrong thing 16.17.30 # yep, thats pretty odd :p 16.18.07 # it works fine with the statusbar disabled? 16.18.14 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 16.19.22 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-016.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.19.58 # yes, thats why i wrote it. 16.20.05 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7F30.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.20.08 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.21.05 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.21.13 # well im pretty confused... the statusbar isnt being updated during the delete... 16.21.14 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 16.21.16 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 16.21.24 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.21.34 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-062-093-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.22.32 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl8-3-90.dsl.telepac.pt) 16.23.06 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.24.20 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-104.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.25.29 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.27.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.28.36 # PaulJam: do you know what change broke it? 16.28.43 # well, my guess is, that the code that draws the currently deleted dir does not take into account if the statusbar is shown or not, because the text is always at the same position. but maybe this is just a coincidence. 16.29.31 # JdGordon: r17454 16.35.15 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3017.gwdg.de) 16.35.16 # qq 16.36.30 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよăȘら") 16.37.15 # * JdGordon opts for the easy fix and changes that message to a splash() 16.37.32 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.37.59 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3017.gwdg.de) 16.38.19 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.38.29 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.39.44 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.19 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 16.48.19 # we have too many ruddy lcd drivers :p 16.48.46 # We have too many ruddy platforms with too many unique LCDs. :) 16.49.59 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.52.52 # JdGordon: Didn't the deletion screen used to have a splash, and it was changed from a splash to that? 16.53.16 # very possibly :p 16.54.38 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet03.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 17.01.46 # PaulJam: in the same vien as 9044... can you test 9051? 17.02.04 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@217.237.166.99) 17.02.07 # * JdGordon going postal on the old gui api! 17.06.02 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 17.07.51 # i can test the patch. anything in particular i should look out for? 17.08.18 # any screen which are now being put in the top left corner instead of where they shold be... 17.08.31 # I tihnk i only expcet the recorindg screen to not play nice 17.08.40 # * JdGordon heading to bed 17.08.43 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.08.46 # ok 17.11.36 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.19.44 Join EspeonEefi [0] (n=espeonee@c-75-66-48-243.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 17.22.08 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 17.23.43 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 17.26.26 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 17.29.55 Part Llorean 17.43.04 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 17.46.08 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 17.47.05 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-75-16-157-33.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 17.48.58 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.49.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.53.06 Quit s3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.55.28 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.00.03 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.3.3 Unregistered copy. 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20.35.40 # <_vertic23> bringing lots of beer 20.36.09 # <_vertic23> well, from when to when will it be? 20.36.22 # <_vertic23> from 7 am? 20.36.53 # unsure yet...whenever we decide to get up and head to the meeting place, i suppose 20.36.58 # This page lists the details, and when people are planning on arriving - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConEuro2008 20.37.03 # and in case you wanted to stay a bit longer you should really put your name on said wiki page - would be nice to know beforehand how many people intend to show up 20.37.32 # <_vertic23> well, how do you mean "staying longer"? 20.37.44 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3CFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.37.51 # _vertic23: well, it is more than one day as shown by the wiki page 20.38.02 # <_vertic23> well, so what'd be the difference 20.38.30 # maybe a bigger room would be needed, hardware, food and beverage... 20.38.37 # <_vertic23> my friend is living in berlin, so we might show up and go and show up and go :P 20.38.38 # were you planning on hanging around all days? 20.38.52 # <_vertic23> we'll see - if you're cool guys - might be 20.38.56 # <_vertic23> ;) 20.39.43 # and keep in mind that there is a possibility that private things might be discussed and some may need to sit out 20.40.14 # <_vertic23> I have no problem with that s 20.40.24 # <_vertic23> since I have lots of drugs and weather will be fucking good ;) 20.40.38 # * scorche|sh chooses to ignore the last line ;) 20.40.49 # <_vertic23> oh, this chan is logged, damnit 20.40.55 # indeed... 20.41.03 # <_vertic23> could you please delete that ;P 20.41.05 Join ap0 [0] (i=kvirc@nfb68-1-88-169-81-101.fbx.proxad.net) 20.41.07 # cant 20.41.13 # <_vertic23> lmao 20.41.34 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.41.46 # _vertic23: do you intend to do some Rockbox hacking there (whatever that is) or just hang out? 20.42.03 # <_vertic23> maybe I will replace my HDD - is this hacking? *g* 20.43.20 # _vertic23: DevCon is where the developers get together to discuss and work on things that require or are greatly facilitated by face to face and a round table. It's really for work to be done. 20.43.44 # <_vertic23> yeah, I am anyways not there, I just realized 20.43.55 # <_vertic23> because a fucking cool festival takes place 20.44.19 # _vertic23: calm down 20.44.38 # <_vertic23> yeah, I'll leave hehe, would have been cool meeting you guys 20.45.05 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.45.07 # <_vertic23> but I will tell my friend to bring you the beer I wanted to give you 20.45.16 # <_vertic23> he will be there for sure 20.45.20 Quit ap0 (Client Quit) 20.45.26 # some of us will be around after, so who knows.. 20.45.37 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.50 # <_vertic23> we'll see 20.45.50 # and more beer cant hurt.. :-) 20.45.55 # more beer never hurts 20.46.02 # <_vertic23> my friend is a big fan of you - and maybe you get him as a novice dev for your team 20.50.06 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.51.03 Quit nedd1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.55.51 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.58.17 Quit efyx (Remote closed the connection) 21.06.04 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 21.08.24 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 21.12.30 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 21.12.42 # anyone familiar with colinx/andlinux around? 21.12.49 # colinux* 21.13.49 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.14.42 # andlinux? 21.14.49 # bluebrother: Ubuntu on Colinux. 21.15.05 # ah. Never heard of that :o 21.15.23 # Really kubuntu or xubuntu, since there's not a gnome version of it. 21.15.27 # yes, it was made for the gp2x community 21.15.37 # (so a rather easy installation) 21.16.38 # mcuelenaere: I've used it briefly. 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Since the touchpad changes to use more sensors, I've found I'm accidentally triggering directions when I'm going for "Select" quite often. 22.21.23 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.21.37 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.22.21 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.48 # Basically, I find the device much harder to use reliably now. 22.26.46 # There is the flyspray report too 22.26.53 # Flyspray report? 22.26.55 # Which one? 22.26.59 # one mo 22.27.13 # 9025 22.27.18 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-207-91.dsl.scarlet.be) 22.27.25 # Although personally I find it easier to use now :) 22.30.21 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.39 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.31.40 # Ah, I never read the comments because when it was posted, it was about the device actually being unusable, rather than just too sensitive. 22.31.48 Quit amiconn (" reboot") 22.31.53 # I had no problems, at all, with the original method and found it quite easy to use. 22.32.04 # I wonder if it's possible that some touchpads are just quite a bit more sensitive than others. 22.32.05 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 22.32.22 # Llorean: i just updated that and thought it was just me 22.32.34 # * scorche|sh hasnt been a good boy and watching the commit changes 22.32.43 # I have a hell of a time playing Jewels now. 22.33.00 # Llorean: I'm here. It's much, much more useable for me but I prefer a light touch. I put a patch in FS to set it to Normal (like before) or high. 22.33.29 # Llorean: I found the old one would sometimes not recognise a direction for me, and now it works all the time 22.33.47 # jhMikeS: Maybe if we turned on all the sensors, and counted the innermost ones as part of "Center" it would even things out? 22.33.48 # Llorean: However, seeing as many people have issues, there clearly is a difference :) 22.33.49 # BigBambi: same experience 22.33.53 # Light touch for everything, but less false reads? 22.34.07 # BigBambi: I never, ever had it not pick up a read for me. :) 22.34.29 # It disables inner sensors already if the center is pushed 22.34.47 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.34.47 # BigBambi: i "missed" directions too before, but i just got used to the device, i suppose...now i get a direction when i want select 22.35.06 # jhMikeS: Yes, but I find it I'm very slightly off-center, it picks up as the direction, even though I feel about 2/3 of my thumb is on center, and 1/3 is on a direction. 22.35.07 # the innermost I can see get triggered too easily before registering the center though 22.35.19 # scorche|sh: I missed directions after using it for a year or more - now I don't, and I have had no false selects :) 22.35.20 # What if the innermost counted as "center" rather than "direction" 22.35.28 # So you have LLCCCRR 22.35.35 # Rather than LL_C_RR 22.35.40 # innermost aren't used at all, just middle and outer 22.35.50 # I know they aren't now. 22.35.58 # I'm suggesting enabling them, as part of "Center" 22.36.15 # I'd have to try it, but if there is no gap between centre and outer, I can imagine lots of falses, but as as I say it is something I'd have to try 22.36.22 # See if that helps resolve the accidental directions. 22.36.45 # so, I'm not seeing how if you trigger middle direction sensors before center anyway how that will change things. 22.37.09 # jhMikeS: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying? 22.37.18 # It checks for directions before it checks for center? 22.38.55 # the middle direction sensors are already ignored if the center is detected so iow it reads only the outer ones if center is detected 22.39.15 # it checks center first so it can ignore middle direction lines 22.39.20 # Did this happen sometime recently? 22.39.55 # when I added the sensitivity change, that change went in with it 22.40.04 # I don't think it's working then. 22.40.26 # I wouldn't object to a gigabeat specific option in this case 22.41.05 # Or perhaps it needs a little dead-time after center is released 22.41.19 # It helps my device enough that I will fight to the bitter end to have it available :) 22.41.27 # As I seem to get double triggers where it'll move down and immediately do select, or do select then move down. 22.41.48 # Well something needs to be done. 22.42.05 # "Less sensitive, but doesn't spaz out" trumps "more sensitive but spazs out for some users" any day, I think. 22.42.15 # Though I wouldn't object to an option, with it defaulting to "less" 22.42.26 # The force needed on mine needs to increase quite a bit using just outer ones 22.43.02 # The patch strongly defaults to "Normal" which is just like before and "High" enables checking the 22.43.08 # "+" lines 22.43.19 # Llorean: yes, I agree - I prefer this, but missing the odd direction is better than false centres 22.43.30 # See, I had to press less hard than say, the Menu button on my nano (physical button) 22.43.33 # However, I prefer the patch as jhMikeS has done it 22.43.50 # defaults to old, and those of us that want more sensitive can have it 22.43.59 # So, if it was still a lighter touch than equivalent physical buttons, I didn't really see it as problematically hard to press... 22.44.02 # Llorean: I'm just more sensitive than you :P 22.44.30 # though in case your device becomes unusable as a result of "High" I may have a reset for the touchpad to avoid the annoyance of a full reset of settings 22.45.10 # jhMikeS: Maybe instead when you select "High" have it present another menu that says "Please scroll to and select 'Yes' to confirm" in which case if it's not working, they can't. And then just time out. 22.45.13 # Like video modes often do. 22.47.32 # Anyone seen 9050 :) 22.48.06 # I wonder if I'll need that when traveling next month. 22.48.20 # If I'm carrying 10 or so MP3 players loaded with audio I'll look slightly suspicious 22.48.20 # Could do that but I did want to stay minimalistic. Holding L+R during boot (before "High" is applied) wouldn't be enough? 22.48.24 # Maybe going back 22.48.48 # jhMikeS: I don't really like "Hold X during boot" in general. I'm not really sure which qualifies as more minimalistic. :) 22.48.54 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.48.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.49.03 Quit BlakeJohnson87 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.49.11 # Personally, if it were 100% up to me, I'd say "let them just clear all their settings, we don't make special cases for other things." 22.49.25 # Llorean: more suspicious than the one carrying around that many but also has some in a hard/tough case with 2 locks on it? ;) 22.49.38 # Llorean: a special screen with logic is definitely not as minimalistic as a simple button_read_device() call :) 22.50.00 # I wouldn't have a special clear 22.50.25 # Llorean: well, that's really was my position initially. I dont' think you'll make the same mistake twice anyway. 22.50.29 # There isn't one for e.g. background and text the same colour, which make it just (if not more) unusable 22.51.20 # jhMikeS: Well, "minimalistic" in terms of "what a user has to put up with". Holding things while booting is complicated, and can be annoying if you don't quite get it right the first time. :) 22.51.20 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.51.22 # But it is unique in that it's the very ability to navigate which is affected 22.52.17 # They will only ever do it once, and it is another button to accidentally clear settings with 22.52.52 # To accidentally clear *one* setting with. 22.53.10 # But yeah, I think it's okay to just expect them to learn. And maybe it'll teach them to back up their main settings too. ;) 22.53.42 # I wasn't too convinced of the utility of special handling. If anything passes a corrupt value, "Default" is used so only a correct value passed to the button driver will allow it to work anyway. 22.53.50 Quit ompaul (Remote closed the connection) 22.53.58 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3c3cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-454338412a57d56e) 22.54.30 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@194.125.58.117) 22.54.31 # Llorean: er yes, good point. However, I stand by it not being worth it :) 22.54.49 # Isn't there also touch screen calibration that you can mess up and require a reset? 22.54.59 # on TS devices of course 22.55.58 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1e61dfcf78c23c9b) 22.55.58 # I'm not sure. 22.56.15 # And of course, the calibration screen could always ask you to verify calibration by clicking "Yes" in the next 5 seconds, before it lets you leave. 22.56.27 # And if you can click it, then your calibration is at least "good enough" to probably get back there. 22.56.33 # in any case, the patch in FS is the minimal with absolutely no special reset or coddling of any sort 22.58.19 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 22.58.25 # I'm not under the impression that the device is utterly unusable anyway but just a little difficult 22.58.31 # petur: you prevented my oops commit! :-) 23.00.07 # next time do a test build :p 23.00.27 # petur: I did. But on a wrong platform 23.01.22 # petur: I have three sim build dirs all of which don't have button bar. So I wouldn't notice 23.01.55 # All feel the "System" submenu is you proper place for that? (not that I can think of where else it could go) 23.02.38 # yup, seems fine 23.03.52 # jhMikeS: My understanding is that the people who say it's "unusable" are actually experiencing much more drastic behaviour than what I get (a few accidental triggered presses) 23.05.48 # Llorean: though somehow they manage to get to playback and other places though with a bit of difficulty 23.06.28 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.06.45 # jhMikeS: Yeah, I'd kinda like to see one of their devices. But all said and done, your patch is probably the best option. 23.08.09 # ok...I'll throw that one in the mix then 23.09.08 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3c3cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-69702a5e65b00902) 23.09.25 # petur: you seem to make sweeps over FS entries. Could you commit FS#9034 (the last patch there that only rearranges entries in viewers.config)? 23.10.56 # heh... I'm doing that stuff because it is what I have time for :/ 23.11.49 # petur: I understand you very well 23.12.21 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 23.17.28 # fml: you testbuilt the HAVE_BUTTONBAR changes in sims without buttonbar? Seems a bit illogical to me ;) 23.19.45 Quit nedd1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.11 # pixelma: since I don't own a dap with button bar (I even don't know what it is) I wouldn't know what I should look for. That was just search&replace patch. And the build would work even for a dap with intended button bar. But the result would be wrong. But I wouldn't notice :-) 23.20.56 # * petur doesn't have one either, but at least builds for the actual target 23.21.09 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 23.22.15 # petur: how did you spot the error? The build must have gone through. 23.22.37 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m29.net81-66-53.noos.fr) 23.22.58 # you missed SOURCES, so the recorder build had link errors 23.23.59 # brb 23.24.45 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.26.35 # petur: ah, that! Yes, now I see. Thank you. Good night! 23.26.42 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 23.27.40 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-175-104.area2.spcsdns.net) 23.29.52 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.07 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23C7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.30.44 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.34.36 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A965D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.37.00 Quit Rondom (Client Quit) 23.37.24 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.01 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-175-104.area2.spcsdns.net) 23.39.26 # hi 23.39.46 # can i handle repeated buttons with button_get() ? 23.40.02 Join nedd1 [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-263cd175e74706d2) 23.40.28 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.40.48 # jhMikeS: There've been a couple responses to your post in the dircache activity thread. Though either they misunderstood your request or I did. 23.40.50 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.41.22 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.44.37 # Llorean: after the one today? 23.44.48 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.44.52 # I guess "request" should be clue :) 23.45.02 # Heh 23.45.08 # Also, you broke the gigabeat F sim. :) 23.45.32 # working it out now (so I can preserve the menu item there anyway) 23.49.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.55.33 # * jhMikeS thumps amiconn for making /me 's red live longer :D 23.56.50 Join Lucky_ [0] (n=Lucky@zankt.net)