--- Log for 01.06.108 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 29 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.58 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 00.02.09 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.04.05 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.00 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.10.20 Join Hilikus [0] (n=ROCKERO@70.51.21.61) 00.10.39 # hey guys, is there a cover art resize patch that i can use ? 00.12.39 # if there is a current one, Hilikus, it is in the tracker (Flyspray) 00.17.18 # * petur discovers he'll have a place to sleep at devcon :) 00.19.25 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.47 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.20.31 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Connection timed out) 00.22.54 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.24.44 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 00.27.30 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 00.27.36 Join Jaikao [0] (n=koenig@p54967495.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.29.44 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-202-74.dsl.scarlet.be) 00.30.58 # OK, I discovered that the 2 MB limitation on the tracker is for single attachments only 00.31.09 # With multiple attachments I can easily exceed 2 MB 00.32.44 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 00.33.09 # On the wiki, I read that "we doesn't support greyscale anti-aliasing". 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(vorbis comment) 03.46.29 # Bagder seemed to think it would be better to just get normal builds working 03.47.03 # MediaMonkey writes REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN & REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK 03.47.06 # more hassle though 03.47.15 # why didnt the bootloader one work? 03.47.29 # did you have the sdl stuff from uisdl.c in there? 03.47.33 # it just gives me a 300 byte file that prints a random string 03.47.36 # yeah i rolled it all in 03.47.56 # actually i take back the 300 byte thing, thats a different problem 03.48.55 # JdGordon: see here: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080531#22:33:40 03.49.23 # also, any idea where LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC gets defined? i'm not seeing it with grep 03.49.53 # oh lang.h 03.50.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.57 # "Bagder I think a better approach is to simply ifdef out a lot of the code you want to wait with from SOURCES" <- thats the exact same as doing a "bootloader" build 03.53.54 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable097.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.55.35 # i assumed he meant to still compile the gui stuff but without a lot of the extras like codecs and such 03.55.59 # whatver.. the main thing is to get a working executable :p 03.56.18 # I'm heading out for the day in 40min or so 03.58.39 # i'm probably going to work on something else in a few anyway 04.01.34 # ah finally got it to at least compile through apps 04.01.46 # now just got to worry about the 400 linker errors 04.04.27 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.04.32 # whats the errors? 04.04.57 # JdGordon: lots of multiply defined functions between firmware and uisimulator 04.05.16 # ok 04.05.30 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.05.31 # http://pastebin.com/m5a60beb9 04.05.34 # if you're interested 04.07.10 # looks like fun 04.08.25 # some of these are odd, like undefined references to "cancel_cpu_boost" 04.08.32 # i'm not sure how it wouldn't be able to find that 04.09.24 # sim doesnt have boostr control 04.09.39 # but your config thinks it should... 04.10.20 # it should still link that function right? 04.10.26 # just it wouldn't do anything 04.11.39 # not if its not being compiled 04.15.34 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 04.23.53 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008051206]") 04.46.21 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.46.59 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-106-132.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 04.57.14 Nick drf|away is now known as drfsupercenter (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 04.59.22 # Hi 04.59.31 # any ui developers here? 05.00.38 DEBUG Received signal 15 (SIGTERM), terminating (snapshot: fplrun.c 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(siwtching my heart to rockbox-community) 09.15.58 Join csc`` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 09.18.36 # lol 09.27.07 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.28.35 # hey guys 09.28.44 # i've just got myself an ipod video 80gb 09.29.07 # * mrkiko thinks problems starts 09.29.08 # will post results and experiences later (maybe a few days, weeks, who knows) 09.29.25 # sorry but I can't find the gigabeat here 09.29.50 # by the way I got it for 1100 RMB here, which is about US $160 09.29.56 # good price or not? 09.30.53 # what is the attachment in the WebHome wiki page? 09.31.00 # ah... I think so, even if I'm in Italya 09.31.48 # ... looks like a pic that was meant for another page 09.31.55 # Bagder: link? 09.32.01 # wpyh: that's a little too good 09.32.03 # you suer that isn't a fake? 09.32.08 # they sell a lot of those over there :P 09.32.20 # I mean that's second hand 09.32.21 # :p 09.32.24 # no, not fake 09.32.27 # oh, kk 09.32.28 # lol 09.32.31 # so it's 5.5g? 09.32.34 # how much is it there? 09.32.37 # yes, it's a 5.5g 09.32.51 # i don't know how much for used 09.32.54 # wpyh: you wanted a UI developer before? 09.32.57 # Oh 09.33.04 # yeah, I wanted to ask some questions 09.33.05 # but an 80gb 6g is $250 09.33.18 # but the 6g is not rockboxable... 09.33.25 # yep 09.33.41 # but fuck that, i ordered a creative zen with 32gb ssd this morning from newegg ;/ 09.33.45 # I wanted to ask why "we don't support greyscale antialiasing"? 09.33.49 # no rockbox yet, but hopefully it will be working 09.33.54 Quit DayRider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.34.05 # wpyh: because we dont do any AA at all... 09.34.08 # secleinteer: when that time comes, I'd probably buy the 6g too 09.34.27 # wpyh: there's hardware encryption or something, so it might not ever happen 09.34.41 # JdGordon: I mean, why can't we rasterize a TTF font (for example) then load it onto rockbox? 09.34.45 # creative zen is just new, so that's a different 09.34.47 # issue 09.34.52 # there's no compiler for the proc right now 09.35.08 # wpyh: That's not doing antialiasing. That requires translucency though. Currently fonts are 1bpp 09.35.10 # just a $12k sdk for anyone who wants to make a device out of it :P 09.35.19 # Creative Zen... hm... 09.35.33 # oh no, $12K ... 09.35.42 # ya 09.35.47 # not much for creative to pay though 09.35.50 # Llorean: OK... why not make a new font format? 09.35.59 # like 4bpp I think would be good enough 09.36.07 # wpyh: Feel free, if it's fast enough and doesn't have a real performance cost. 09.36.12 # then we implement the translucency 09.37.10 # Llorean: OK, I'm just a noob here and right now the best I can do is translate things and submit new fonts. But by saying that do you mean, if someone somehow manages to implement that, then there's a chance it will be accepted? 09.37.15 # sorry for the mouthful... 09.37.32 # If someone implements it well enough, and there aren't big disadvantages to it, it might be accepted. 09.37.39 # OK, thanks 09.37.48 # Right now, though, most feel antialiased fonts don't really add much, so it has to have very, very, very little cost. 09.38.11 # OK, I'll have to understand the font rendering code first :) 09.39.25 # Next question: any ideas how to make a fully themable interface? 09.39.43 # I realize I'm a bit crazy here, but I wanted to reimplement the OF's UI 09.39.50 # like for example the iPod's UI 09.39.51 # its about as themeable as its ever going to be 09.40.02 # How about an app? 09.40.15 # I see that an app can capture just about any button combination :) 09.40.18 # what from the OF would you actually want? 09.40.25 # JdGordon: not entirely true. It's likely to have a customizable status bar and movable menu viewport. 09.40.29 # JdGordon: the UI :) 09.40.39 # Llorean: thats why I said "about"... 09.40.46 # wpyh: which part of it... 09.41.22 # JdGordon: Um, the whole UI, so it's like to the casual user, he / she is using the OF until he / she goes into the about screen and see ROCKBOX there :D 09.41.46 # Do you think they're going to forget they've installed it? 09.41.51 # for the people that that would fool, you can fake that already 09.41.51 # wpyh: Which original firmware? Rockbox runs on many different devices... 09.42.04 # Rockbox has far too many controls to duplicate the input methods of the iPod user interface. Too many functions. 09.42.09 # No, I'm just trying to make the user "feel" that 09.42.28 # linuxstb: for the devices that I have, namely the iPod, and the Meizu 09.42.31 # wpyh: and how do you expect to cope with the fact that the menu options (and the features underlying the menus) are completely different? :) 09.42.40 # If you, as a user, want to duplicate the iPod UI, you'd be better served hacking Rockbox to do it, than trying to do it with a mere theme. 09.43.05 # 1 thing I'd like to rip from the apple of is the time/alarm screen 09.43.19 # hobbs: well, that's unavoidable, so there'lll be more options (for example the ipod doesn't allow you to touch a lot of sound settings, but RB allows) 09.43.36 # Llorean: you mean, hack the interface code directly? 09.44.17 # Well, a UI is much more than just "how it looks". You'd need to change a lot of the controls, you'd have to implement a lot of changes to the while playing screen, etc, etc. 09.44.22 # wpyh: there's that, but there's also the fact that the organization is completely different. And the way the UI is written you can't do anything about that issue without touching lots and lots of code. 09.44.31 # Reorganize the menu structure, change the entries in the main menu, so on and so forht. 09.46.09 # I didn't find the "time/alarm screen" 09.46.52 # Yes, I realize that the UI structure is also very much different, so I think either a full theme engine is needed, or maybe an app 09.47.48 # If a full theme engine is used, then there will be a "default" theme 09.47.58 # and there will be selectable "themes" 09.48.06 # not gonna happen 09.48.20 # not like the themes we now have (right now they are only changing the colours and fonts) 09.48.31 # JdGordon: yeah, I guessed that :P 09.48.34 # And the entire layout of the while playing screen. 09.48.47 # yes, the WPS too... 09.49.00 # Any ideas how to implement it? 09.49.02 # So basically, what you want is "the option to reorganize the main menu, and change which buttons do what" 09.49.17 # Which are on the top ten list of features the developers don't really want at all 09.49.37 # Llorean: Um... yes. And why the don't the devs want it? 09.50.02 # Does it really matter? 09.50.22 # Primarily code complexity and support. It makes the code both harder to maintain, and the software harder to provide consistent support for. 09.50.26 # Llorean: no, it doesn't actually 09.51.04 # well, how about an app? like a game, where the game takes control of everything, 09.51.18 # then an app could be for example "ui_meizu" which simulates the meizu ui 09.51.29 # As well dynamic menus would require a bit more overhead than static ones, which exacerbates already known performance concerns. 09.51.30 # I realize that that's a lot of work, though 09.52.10 # You could surely write your own plugin that controls playback and offers a menu system more familiar to you. Again, feel free, nobody's stopping you from modifying it for your own purposes. 09.52.12 # OK... I get your point there 09.52.37 # And, in a general sense, as long as it's a plugin and doesn't require changes to the core, it's more possible to get it included. 09.52.59 # Of course, you couldn't use the same font or images as the Apple UI if you wanted it included. 09.52.59 # Well, that's good 09.53.00 # :) 09.53.08 # yeah, I must find my own fonts 09.55.22 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 09.55.35 # I'm considering the WenQuanYi fonts 09.57.26 # I was actually thinking about fonts myself today. I definitely want to find and convert a heavier sans-serif. 09.57.47 # I like a bigger font, my player has a nice high-res screen, and the stock fonts are all pretty light at the larger sizes. 09.58.43 # does anyone think there would be an uproar over removing the %P tag and modifying the %pb tag to add a filename to the end? (to enable multiple progress bars with viewports) 09.59.28 # JdGordon: Multiple bars with different images? I think it'd be fine, though it'd break all existing viewports. Any way to make it backward compatible? 09.59.33 # Er, all existing WPSes 10.00.42 # well, not really... the problem is curently only a sigle pb is possible, with conditional viewports we would need to setup multiple bars (max one per vp of course)... keeping the %P tag wont be possible without breaking compat anyway 10.01.40 # You couldn't say, default to %P's filename if one isn't specified in %pb? 10.01.57 # Like, just store it in a buffer somewhere when you get to %P, and if %pb doesn't include it during the load, patch in the one from %P? 10.02.10 # Just then require %P be before all %pbs during parse. 10.02.21 # hmm.. yeah, that would work 10.03.01 # Then most existing ones *probably* wouldn't break, I think? 10.03.21 # none would break if we did that 10.03.26 # they are only use one pb 10.04.04 Join webguest44 [0] (n=dcc278ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-505765d34ccafff9) 10.05.13 # hi 10.06.20 Quit webguest44 (Client Quit) 10.06.52 # bye! 10.08.07 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 10.13.36 # JdGordon: you still here? 10.13.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.13.59 # yep 10.14.08 # the bye was to webguest44 :p 10.16.15 # oh :p 10.16.15 # ok 10.16.29 # So, next question: why are we still using GB2312 for the Chinese encoding? 10.17.16 # can we update it to GBK or GB18030 instead? Not that I understand those two encodings well... 10.18.16 # As I've pointed out, many things simply require someone who's interested in them to go and do it. 10.18.55 # OK then :) 10.20.03 # Next question: I posted two fonts (WenQuanYi Unibit and WenQuanYi Bitmap Song) on the tracker. It's my first time posting, so... did I do it correctly? 10.20.10 # sorry for the tedious questions :) 10.20.39 # you did... but same applies.. need to find someone interested to commit then :( 10.20.56 # markun is usually helpful with lang/font stuff iirc 10.21.37 # oh, ok I know him 10.21.48 # thanks :) 10.21.55 # * JdGordon spots a bug in wps_common.c 10.22.05 # Next question: any ideas what's the problem with battery life on the ipod nano? 10.22.16 # wpyh: What problem? 10.22.16 # int h = font_get(display->getfont())->height; <- should be checking the current viewport.. not display! 10.22.34 # Battery life on the Nano should only be slightly less than in the original firmware if you turn off accessory power. 10.22.38 # I only get 7:30 runtime (the OF gets 12:30 hours), which seems in line with the results on the wiki 10.22.59 # Are you using a current, official build, and did you actually perform benchmark tests using the same files to get both of these times? 10.23.24 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.23.33 # I'm using the same files 10.23.42 # and I'm using the SVN build 10.23.58 # But I just found out that I have the "Accessory Power Supply" to "Yes" 10.24.04 # Is that what's causing the difference? 10.24.10 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 10.24.30 # Did you perform actual measurements of the time, running until dead, too? 10.24.38 # The "time remaining" estimate is quite inaccurate. 10.24.58 # Also, features like the equalizer and other sound altering features, or complex WPSes, can reduce battery life as well. 10.24.58 Join nplus [0] (n=npl@141.25.globcom.net) 10.25.09 # Yes, and actually I didn't use the battery benchmark. I just left it on and waited until it died 10.25.41 # Using a limited playlist of the exact same files, rather than just a random selection of all files on your player? 10.26.11 # Differences in format and bitrate can have significant impacts on battery life as well. 10.26.13 # No, I'm setting it on random... 10.26.27 # Well, in that case I'll do the test again 10.26.29 # :) 10.26.37 # Try making the conditions as similar as possible 10.26.43 # Llorean: hmm.. I tihnk it will be better to remove the %P tag instead of keeping backwards compat.... 1) its not a major change to move the filename, 2) the code to handle %P will cause some problems if we do try to keep it 10.26.48 # OK... 10.27.06 # I'll try it again and post the results 10.27.18 # wpyh: Reset the settings in Rockbox to default, then turn off accessory power. Then use a limited (45-60 minute is generally good) playlist, preferable not on shuffle just repeating 10.27.41 # hobbs: what player do you have (talking about the high res screen)? 10.27.53 # JdGordon: Alright. Though I'm not looking forward to a whole new round of "every WPS in the wiki doesn't work!" 10.27.54 # :-P 10.28.05 # Llorean: OK. Why such a long playlist? 10.28.27 # Make sure it fills the buffer. 10.28.31 # Not as important on the Nano though. 10.29.03 # Llorean: yeah, I agree... a script to fix them for this change shouldnt be hard to do though 10.29.11 # dinner time 10.29.31 # OK 10.29.40 # JdGordon: Maybe you can leave it on the tracker for testing and try to time it with the theme site. Pester them to finish it. :) 10.33.08 # I've registered at the wiki but I can't edit my own page. Can I get write permission please? :) 10.34.49 # It's at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WilliamPoetra 10.36.20 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 10.37.41 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.39.45 # Bagder: around? 10.43.41 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB317E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.44.44 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 10.47.44 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 10.48.12 Quit stripwax_ (Client Quit) 10.50.15 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.51.30 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.53.52 # wpyh: promise not to spam? 10.54.08 # OK, I won't spam 10.54.14 # I don't usually spam anyway 10.54.42 # I mean I "don't" spam 10.54.43 # :D 10.54.53 # make it "I *don't* spam" 10.54.58 # just that I like to talk a lot 10.55.04 # ok, should work now 10.55.43 # wpyh: another thing to make sure when doing battery benchs -> do a restart of rockbox before starting the bench. e.g. do not charge battery within rockbox and simply disconnect the USB-adapter. best would be to charge in emergency disk mode and then do a clean restart. 10.55.52 # OK, thanks :) 10.56.13 # Buschel: Actually I did the last measurement by disconnecting the cable after it's full 10.56.20 # wpyh: reason is that there is a higher power consumption that we do not understand right now. 10.56.23 # Buschel: what's the reason? 10.56.27 # Oh 10.57.17 # Is there a way to check the current power draw? Like in my laptop we can check the current ampere 10.58.00 # Llorean: yeah, ill give plenty of warning... I tinhk this, cond viewports and removing margins will all go in at the same time, should cause the least amount of problems 10.59.12 # wpyh: measuring the power consumption is quite difficult. you'll need to take off the battery, connect the player via USB and have a special cable to measure the current then. 10.59.30 # wpyh: or you do estimations via runtime measurements. 11.00.00 # * JdGordon has dual pb's working :) 11.01.21 # wpyh: btw, when you do multiple battery benchs for coparison -> always use the same files, settings and volume 11.01.49 # *comparison 11.03.18 # Seed: you there? 11.03.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.07.21 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 11.08.55 # Buschel: sorry, I was editing the wiki and didn't see this window 11.09.49 # Is there no way to ping the power chip and ask it "How much current are you using now?" 11.12.11 # I'd take a wild guess about the higher power consumption: when we charge the battery, the power chip goes into an "on AC" mode, which uses more current, then when we stop charging, we didn't tell the chip to go back to "battery mode". 11.12.20 # That, by the way, is a shot in the dark. 11.14.02 # wpyh: no, we cannot read something like this out of the pcf. the higher consumption seems to be connected to the internal USB-controller 11.14.53 # Buschel: the internal USB controller, in that we didn't ask it to go to a low power mode or shut it off? 11.15.27 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 11.18.47 # wpyh: if it would be that easy we would have solved it :o) 11.19.39 # * Buschel should add the clean-restart-information to the battery bench wiki 11.21.41 # wpyh: btw, what format and bitrate do you use? 11.22.23 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.22.40 # Buschel: welll :p 11.22.59 # For the format, I'm currently using MP3, with bitrates from 128kbps to 320kbps 11.26.28 # i'm interested, realistically, what is the chance of a Zune (2G) port? has there been any real interest there? 11.26.52 # No. 11.29.19 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 11.29.46 # Llorean: I remember seeing a forum thread about it 11.30.08 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 11.30.25 # probably plenty of interest.. but not from anyone who can do anything about it 11.31.00 # Yeah, it's here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 11.32.58 # wpyh: He/she asked if there has been any real interest for the second gen Zune. First, that thread is about the original. Second, even considering that, there hasn't been any real concentrated effort that's had any results. 11.33.20 # Oh, OK... 11.34.27 # Llorean: I should copy that ml email to the forums and sticky it yeah? 11.34.48 # JdGordon: You should send it out to the user mailing list too, and then sticky it in the WPS forum, yeah. 11.35.05 # sent to both ml's 11.35.17 # I figure this should give plenty of warning 11.35.26 # Oh, I only got the -dev one so far, maybe just mail lag. 11.36.01 # I see it on the archive page though, so all is well 11.38.42 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Connection timed out) 11.38.50 # scorche: linuxstb_: hows the theme site coming? 11.39.54 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 11.42.25 # JdGordon: If we're changing the progress bar anyway, one HUGE suggestion. Can we have it be x|y|width|height now, rather than this strange (and hard to remember) height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos (height|x1|x2|y I suppose) 11.43.03 # I imagine it only never got changed because it was preserving backward compatibility, specifically with WPSes that didn't have all the parts of the %pb tag anyway 11.43.33 # haha sure... I didnt even know that was the syntax and assumed it was x,y,width,height :p 11.43.59 # Nah, the syntax evolved over time as each new feature was added to it. 11.44.06 # filename at the start so we can still have everything optional? 11.44.12 # or force all params? 11.44.34 # although, I guess it could be optional even with the filename at the end 11.44.37 # That's up to you. I don't mind forcing all params. 11.45.10 # If you force them, it at least makes people think about what they're doing, and it's not exactly painful to have to type four numbers in. 11.45.14 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-388358.home.otenet.gr) 11.45.26 # yep 11.45.35 # Though, maybe let height=0 use the current font's height (if possible)? 11.45.37 # also, is that the only tag with optional params? 11.46.19 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96E73.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.46.25 # how about making empty values using sane defaults? Like width being the complete screen? 11.46.30 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.46.37 # That makes more sense than 0, I guess 11.47.06 # So filename|x|y||> would give "full width" and "font height" 11.47.36 # JdGordon: I *think* it's the only tag with optional bits. The only other cases of optional on the page describe enumerations and conditionals. 11.48.46 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 11.48.55 # empties are a bit harder to code, but doable 11.49.45 # :) Dont even need to fix my warning email, modified tags already has it as x|y|width|h|f 11.49.57 # well, another idea would be to allow percentage values to make themes somewhat portable. But I guess that isn't worth the code ;-) 11.50.16 # Percentage values wouldn't be any good without viewports also having percentage values 11.50.19 # pity though 11.50.25 # (about the Zune) 11.50.41 # * JdGordon going to kill some time playing audiosurf.. bbl 11.50.44 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 11.51.01 # k4y: Ports happen when the owners of the hardware work on it, primarily. The best thing would be to find strong centers of the Zune community, and see if there are members there with the knowledge or desire to put in the hard hours to get it done. 11.51.47 # Llorean: unfortunately i get the feeling that the strong centres of the Zune community want nothing to do with Rockbox 11.52.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c210-49-157-20.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.53.39 # out of interest, not that i have that kind of money at the moment, would donating player hardware to Rockbox expediate any kind of port for that player? 11.53.52 # The primary need isn't hardware, or money. It's time. 11.54.06 # yeah, i figured that was probably the limiting factor 11.54.33 # unfortunately i don't have the hardware knowledge required to provide some kind of value 11.54.45 # Porting to a device takes large amounts of time doing tasks that are often quite challenging. For someone to embark on a new port almost necessarily requires a very strong pre-existing interest in the player. 11.55.02 # Llorean: right, hence my previous question about interest 11.55.06 # Knowledge is something that one can learn, given the aforementioned time. 11.55.18 # Many people who've done ports have had this be their first experience in that sort of area anyway. 11.55.57 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.57 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.57.12 # At the very least you could spend some time trying to identify the specific processor and other chips within the 2nd Gen Zune (if it hasn't been done so already) on the off chance that any effort for it might benefit from work being done elsewhere on similar hardware. 11.57.32 Join svpe [0] (n=svpe@p54904AD8.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.57.59 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 11.58.27 # i read somewhere that the Toshiba Gigabeat S and the Zune have hardware in common (the Zune was manufactured by Toshiba) 11.58.51 # although i'm not sure if that was talking about the second gen Zune or not, i'm also not sure how reliable that information is 12.00.14 # first gen I believe 12.00.32 # But the S has broken encryption so we can run code on it, the Zune does not 12.04.02 # yes, i'd imagine that circumventing the Zune's security is probably a fairly tough job (and assumes you know what you're doing) 12.07.41 # * mrkiko thinks the world is very bad, cruel... 12.07.53 # afaik the 2g zune uses a chip labeled "imx32" which implies it's similar to the imx31 in the beast and zune g1 12.09.07 Join thegeek [0] (i=thegeek@s220b.studby.ntnu.no) 12.15.10 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.37 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.21.41 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-211-217.dsl.scarlet.be) 12.25.01 # how are the daily emails for the mailing lists supposed to work? 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I've got 2 already today 12.25.52 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.43) 12.35.14 Join ortanc [0] (n=WP-Gast@77-56-88-209.dclient.hispeed.ch) 12.35.20 # rockbox 12.38.37 Join ompaulafk [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 12.42.58 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 12.49.13 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.51.14 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c210-49-157-20.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.51.18 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23E14D.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.51.51 Join Laser87 [0] (n=jochen@p5B172CAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.51.56 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 12.52.04 # rockbox 12.53.21 # ortanc: what do you want to tell us? 12.53.32 # why 12.54.32 # bluebrother: He already did this in #archlinux - we found out, that he is a fool :-) 12.54.39 # Hello everybody 12.55.00 # yo 12.55.20 Join borges [0] (n=bruges@brln-4d0c0bcf.pool.mediaWays.net) 12.55.22 # ah 12.55.23 Quit borges (Client Quit) 12.55.26 # that explains 12.55.40 # so does he say "archlinux, archlinux" on and on on #archlinux? 12.55.50 # wpyh: don't add to it :) 12.55.55 # let's stay on topic 12.56.21 # ok2 12.56.23 # :) 12.56.26 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 12.56.35 # BigBambi: is there any topic? :-\ 12.56.44 # wpyh: yes, see the topic 12.57.00 # This is a support and development channel for Rockbox, nothing else 12.57.57 # well, when I came here I saw "(13:18:17) The topic for #rockbox is: Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008 - Updated - see Dev ML and edit the individual pages! | Rah rah rah! Summer of Code!" 12.58.02 # OK 12.58.09 # why 12.58.21 # wpyh: right, so the first link that says please read before speaking might help 12.58.43 # why 12.59.14 # Bagder: you round? 13.01.27 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable097.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.01.59 Join Dave2 [0] (i=Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2) 13.02.35 Quit ortanc () 13.03.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.01 Part Dave2 ("Leaving") 13.08.18 Quit courtc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.09.29 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.15.37 Quit mcuelenaere () 13.16.32 Nick ompaulafk is now known as ompaul (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 13.23.08 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3015.gwdg.de) 13.32.48 # JdGordon: hi, with the latest conditional viewports patch i get errors during compiling: http://de.pastebin.ca/1035793 13.33.19 # arg.. ok 13.33.34 # hmm.. looks like i patched the wrong file :/ 13.34.06 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A45DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.17 # Llorean: thanks, thats what I was going to say, but shorter :) 13.40.18 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 13.40.35 # btw, I'm going to use - for it to automatically use sane values instead of a blank because imo its easier to read 13.46.21 # I personally don't care, but I think some WPS tags already use nothing. I'm not sure. 13.46.38 # does anyone know if parse_list() \0 terminates string items? 13.50.50 # oh, they do? hmm... 13.52.41 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-181.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 13.54.51 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@host-091-096-145-106.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 13.56.28 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Remote closed the connection) 13.57.23 Quit J (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.59.29 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 14.00.02 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-210-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.02.41 # Which replay gain tags reads rockbox (vorbis comment in my case)? 14.03.39 # MediaMonkey writes REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN and REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK, where the latter has the higher value 14.04.27 # it reads both - isn't there a setting to switch between them? 14.04.43 # PEAK is used for prevent clipping, I believe 14.04.50 # well, also album_gain and album_peak 14.05.02 # obo: Possibly, I only use track gain 14.05.35 # Llorean: I've made a quick test wps with %rg, and rockbox seems to apply REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN 14.05.46 # Because that's what you're *supposed* to apply. 14.05.55 # I don't understand the question. 14.06.47 # MediaMonkey writes REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN (which has a value e.g. of 0.07) and REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK (which has a value of 0.524567). 14.06.59 # And? 14.07.02 # I hardly notice any gain in rockbox 14.07.24 # Possibly because your song is quite close to the target gain. 14.07.44 # MediaMonkey shows +6.1 in the library 14.08.07 Join d34df00d [0] (n=0xd34df0@80.251.122.132) 14.08.10 # Hi there! 14.08.16 # my target value is 95dB 14.08.37 # And I can surely say, the files aren't any louder on my e200 14.08.38 # All recent builds of rockbox for Ipod video 80 gb misbehave on one song. 14.08.49 # The just stop playing and sometimes hang, sometimes not. 14.08.53 # I can give link to the song. 14.09.11 # kugel: 0.07 db is not a lot of added gain, which is I believe the amount that tag adds. 14.09.41 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 14.09.53 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 14.10.14 # I don't understand what you're asking, kugel. Rockbox adds the amount in the tag, like it's supposed to. If you're disagreeing with Mediamonkey about how much should be added, that's not really something for here. 14.10.19 # Llorean: So, does mediamonkey write wrong tags? 14.10.24 # How should I know? 14.10.46 # I don't know how much gain is supposed to be added to your file. 14.10.57 # I set target value to 95dB, but it doesn't appear to be applied in rockbox 14.10.57 # d34df00d: You should probably file a proper bug report 14.11.07 # kugel: How do you know it's not applied? 14.11.10 # Llorean: As I said, +6.1 14.11.18 # You yourself said the *tag* tells Rockbox to add a very tiny value. 14.11.19 # Llorean: uh, thanks. 14.11.31 # Well it sounds like the tag isn't being written correctly then, which isn't a RB issue 14.11.54 # kugel: "+6.1" doesn't mean anything. You've just said it shows that in the library. As a value for what? 14.12.03 # It's certainly not the value in the tag. 14.12.26 # But you've raised from 89 to 95. That's +6. Add 0.07 and that rounds to +6.1 14.12.47 # If your file was close already, the tag might be at 0.07, but the file is at +6.1 from the normal replaygain average of 89 14.13.05 # Llorean: It's the value for "Track volume" 14.13.35 # Go ask mediamonkey guys about it then. 14.13.38 # Either way, surely your issue is with Media Monkey and why the tag says 0.07? 14.13.46 # Llorean: The file is certainly not close. It's way more quite than my other songs 14.13.55 # Clearly "Track Volume" is a different value than "REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN" and they would know whether it's supposed to be different or the same. 14.13.57 # Talk to them. 14.14.37 # So, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN should have the value 6.1 in this case? 14.14.40 Join NateGreene [0] (n=47aa5916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-db49e632834c42bb) 14.14.47 # linuxstb: you round? 14.14.47 # Again, I can't know that. 14.14.57 # I don't know how loud the song actually is, and the results of a proper replaygaining of it. 14.15.03 # I don't know that "6.1" is right, at all, in any way. 14.15.05 # If that is the gain you want, yes 14.15.08 # Or if it even actually relates to it. 14.15.17 # You need to talk to the mediamonkey people about it. 14.16.04 # BigBambi: I assume that. I guess media monkey does +6.1 since my target volume is more or less 6 above the 89 default 14.16.11 # Llorean: Thanks, I'm going to do that 14.16.30 # btw, i would suggest to use the default target volume (89dB) for replaygain. i think many songs will still clip with ah value of 95dB or be played back at a lower volume when "prevent clipping" is enabled. (sorry for OT) 14.16.40 # kugel: I'd imagine, but either way, Rockbox can only apply what is in the tag. The question of what is actually in the tag is down to whatever wrote that tag 14.16.54 # PaulJam: Out of curiosity, if you knew it was OT why did you say it at all rather than PM him? 14.17.06 Join DerPapstr__ [0] (n=Der_Paps@p5B23DA55.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.17.07 # Sure 14.17.28 # Llorean: i didn't think of that :) 14.17.30 # So, I need to find out why media monkey only writes 0.07 14.18.03 # * Llorean sighs. 14.18.38 # kugel: You need to stop talking about it in here until whatever problem you're having is actually on the Rockbox side. 14.18.38 Quit NateGreene (Client Quit) 14.18.43 Join Broly [0] (n=47aa5916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a6923c6e356da94a) 14.18.53 # hey 14.19.29 # Llorean: I allready did...I just wanted to make sure the problem is not on the rockbox side (I assumed that allready). 14.19.38 # hello 14.19.52 Nick Broly is now known as Nathan (n=47aa5916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a6923c6e356da94a) 14.20.15 # any one awake right now? 14.20.28 # It is mid afternoon, so yep :) 14.20.32 # Nathan: If you have a specific question, please simply ask it. 14.21.09 # Anyone awake? 14.21.41 # * gevaerts sees that Nathan is not 14.21.46 Quit Nathan (Client Quit) 14.21.47 # Nathan: As, I said, lots of people - it is mid-afternoon in Europe. However, please just ask any question you have 14.21.52 # too late 14.22.16 # He did ask a question :) 14.22.26 # :P 14.23.22 # He was having some connection problems 14.24.42 Join Nathan_Greene [0] (n=Broly@pool-71-170-89-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 14.25.27 # Any one active? 14.25.28 # yes, just ask 14.26.08 # I was wondering where so I submit my WPS? 14.26.24 # I just Finished my first one. 14.26.36 # the WPSGallery page on the wiki would be good (assuming that it doesn't infringe any copyrights etc.) 14.27.31 # The WPS confines the the Soap Rules and contains all my own art 14.27.40 # In that case, cool 14.28.38 # I just need to zip it and I shall have it uploaded in a bit. 14.28.50 # Doing one more test run 14.29.46 # Made it for Half Life 2 Fans :) 14.30.33 # Ah I need write perms as well. Admins please take care of that if you will? 14.30.43 # what is your wiki name? 14.31.23 # NateGreene would be my wiki name. 14.31.28 # close enough 14.31.32 # Promise not to spam? 14.31.37 # I really need to stop talking like that. 14.31.38 # Yes 14.31.55 # OK 14.32.12 # No need to worry about spam and flaming as such. 14.32.22 # as such? I would hope at all 14.32.23 # Crap I did it again. 14.33.05 # What do you mean by as such? 14.33.16 # That was a typo. I meant to type "and". 14.33.24 # hehe 14.33.27 # OK then :) 14.34.08 # Ahhh.... thanks 14.35.04 # The perms are set and I can now edit. 14.35.09 # yes 14.35.29 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 14.39.08 Join ap0 [0] (i=kvirc@nfb68-1-88-169-81-101.fbx.proxad.net) 14.39.13 Quit ap0 (Client Quit) 14.40.07 # Nathan_Greene: can you read this entence? 14.40.14 # *sentence* 14.40.39 # mrkiko: what are you up to? 14.41.34 # Yes I can 14.41.55 # Yes mrkiko I can read you text 14.42.20 # mrkiko: He can clearly see what others type as we have just had a conversation, and you can check the logs to see if you missed anything. Please do not clog the logs with off topicness 14.42.36 # Nathan_Greene: ok ok 14.42.58 # Nathan_Greene: I wanted to assure you where able to catch our response; you ignored them first. 14.43.08 # and I was thinking about a connection problem 14.43.17 # mrkiko: Please, don't - I clearly just had a conversation with him 14.43.22 # Check the logs first 14.43.25 Quit Laser87 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.44.34 Join Laser87 [0] (n=jochen@p5B171D5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.44.34 # mrkiko: I did not reply as I was not at my system. 14.44.41 # Everyone, stop now 14.44.52 # This is off topic, irrelevant and pointless 14.44.54 # * gevaerts stops 14.45.00 # gevaerts: except you :) 14.45.36 # Reminds me. Has there been any progress at all on the remaining annoyances re USB, or are we waiting for something, or merely hoping for divine inspiration? 14.45.59 # Llorean: Are we waiting for someone to investigate the FAT driver on Sansa? 14.46.01 # * JdGordon thinks the progressbars shouldnt be a special case, and should be forced to specify the full line 14.46.20 # * Llorean doesn't like special cases. 14.46.28 # Llorean: the latter. I don't know where to look for clues currently 14.46.34 # Ah, okay 14.46.50 # Question for anyone working on the Rock Box project. Can and or will .gif animations be supported for Rock Box?l 14.47.02 # And as BigBambi said, the sansa sd driver 14.47.04 # probably not 14.47.10 # Nathan_Greene: If someone writes a plugin or something for it, could be 14.47.22 # Nathan_Greene: Can: Yes. 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I found it very helpful 15.39.52 # kugel: I discussed in in IRC in the logs shortly before I changed it. 15.40.01 # The numbers you picked were inconsistent and meaningless. 15.40.26 # They neither coincided with expected performance nor had a consistent interval. They seemed just plucked out of air, and didn't even have even spacing. 15.41.20 # If you're going to use red->green shades to reflect performance, do it based around some form of testing (red = skips, yellow = realtime but no DSP, green = realtime + full DSP, blue = fast enough to play gameboy games with, or something) 15.41.22 # Llorean: the uneven spacing was there before me 15.41.33 # No, I meant the intervals of the colors for spacing 15.42.01 # Range of 100 for the first couple, then ranges of 150 for some reason. 15.43.24 # JdGordon: in the gui list using a touchscreen: was/is there a reason you're mapping BUTTON_REPEAT on the statusbar to ACTION_STD_CONTEXT? 15.43.46 # no, it was pretty arbitrary 15.44.40 # I am confused about the topics. But it seems interesting no doubt. 15.44.51 # *topic 15.44.52 # JdGordon: so you're ok with it if I remove it? 15.45.10 # Llorean: Ah, well, I didn't have the intention to make it even. I didn't make it to be scientifically exact, but rather as a general visual help. Also, the amount of available colors is rather low, I had gladly used an evener spacing, but there are not enough colors 15.45.28 # Anyway, I don't see why uneven spacing is bad 15.45.43 # kugel: Uhm... you can divide up any set of numbers evenly. 15.46.02 # At least, close to evenly, if the set is large enough 15.46.03 # mcuelenaere: AH, yeah, that was before the buttons were faked (the grid), yeah you can remove it 15.46.05 # And that set was quite large. 15.46.41 # kugel: Because the colour choices you made suggest that "red is bad" and when "red is bad" that usually means "yellow is the minimum" or possibly even "don't try until green" 15.46.48 # Like "stop" "slow" and "go" 15.47.27 # The information was misleading. If they were evenly spaced, you could at least say "no, I just divided the available numbers up among the available colours." Instead you picked and chose, but used colours which seem to have meaning. But they didn't. 15.47.35 # So if you want to have a 'general visual help', try to make it one that actually means something 15.48.06 # There's really only three categories that need highlighted, "too slow to play", "too slow to play with EQ+Crossfeed+Replaygain" and "Fast enough for anything" 15.48.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.48.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.48.37 # And that's going to be slightly different from player to player even within the same processor speed because, for example, the iPod Nano performs generally better than the 5G, etc. 15.48.53 # Also be careful with red/green colours 15.48.55 # But as it is, the colours also weren't very readable for the clorblind. 15.49.03 # As gevaerts was saying, I suppose. :) 15.49.05 # colourblind. 15.49.09 # * Llorean manages to miss too many keys. 15.49.31 # * gevaerts thought that Llorean lived in color-land, not in colour-land :) 15.49.41 # It might be best just to bold ones that are either "fast enough" or "not fast enough" and leave the rest normal 15.50.34 # JdGordon: I found a better solution: only mapping it on BUTTON_REPEAT|BUTTON_REL 15.50.49 # ok 15.51.16 # Llorean: ok, but you'd agree to colored table generally? 15.52.04 # kugel: I think many of the colours you chose were problematic. Red/green is no good for the colourblind. Yellow can be hard to read, the purple didn't contrast well with the background on some screens. 15.52.32 # I'd rather you just perhaps bolded all the ones less than 120%. People who need to know the exact numbers can actually read. People just looking for a general performance line can look for that. 15.52.39 # Llorean: I guess color TV is also a bit challenging for colorblinds, it's still more populare than greyscale tv 15.52.59 # Which means ? 15.54.01 # kugel: You're introducing an actual *difficulty* for a group of users just to present almost entirely unimportant information? 15.54.13 # I think it would be helpful if they were more available colors, maybe even #acacac style 15.54.37 # People can read. There are numbers. How exactly is an array of colours helpful? 15.55.27 # As I've said a few times, the numbers only really boil down to three categories, which hardly needs a lot of colours, and can probably be represented fine without any at all. 15.55.49 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B163981.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.56.41 # Llorean: "Llorean: So we could have red, orange (can't use full DSP) and green." -your suggestion sounds good to me, but still difficult for colorblinds 15.57.01 # Mine was an example of meaningful colours, not a suggestion for what should be done. 15.57.45 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 15.57.47 # Why are colours _necessary_? 15.57.57 Part svpe 15.58.10 # What extra information can they convey that cannot be conveyed by italicizing one group, bolding another, and leaving the third plain? 15.58.34 # they are not necessary, but very helpful. For me, this table looks like a mess 15.58.41 # That could work too 15.58.47 # I've only said it three times now. 15.59.40 # But the most important thing is that the designations should be meaningful rather than numbers pulled out of air. 15.59.58 # yea, but I can't do it. 16.00.05 # You can do it on at least one target. 16.00.40 # In fact, the page probably needs a table of targets, with a column for "minimum approximate realtime %" and "minimum approximate DSPed %" in it anyway 16.00.45 # What's meant with "playback works, but no dsp" 16.00.51 # You could start it, then once it's full, we can argue about what way to designate the colours. 16.01.02 # DSP is features like Equalizer and Replaygain. 16.01.10 # Basically, any digital alteration of the sound 16.01.22 # also crossfeed? 16.01.23 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 16.01.25 # kugel: if you want colours, try looking at the page through something like http://colorfilter.wickline.org/, or ask for people to test it 16.01.37 # kugel: Yes. ANY digital alteration. 16.01.50 # I've noticed, that my m4a files are fine with crossfeed, but when I also enable eq I experience skipping 16.02.02 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dsj18.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.02.12 # Because different DSP features require different amounts of CPU time. 16.02.19 Quit gregzx (Nick collision from services.) 16.02.32 # As I said, the three levels should be "doesn't play realtime" "plays realtime with no DSP" and "Plays realtime with all DSP features enabled" 16.02.48 Nick gregzx_ is now known as gregzx (n=chatzill@dsj18.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.03.42 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 16.04.11 # Hmm, I'll see. So, when I get e.g. 250% realtime needed for all dsp features, will that number be roughly the same for all targets? 16.04.20 # No 16.04.27 # As I've also said earlier, it'll be different from target to target. 16.04.54 # even different within the same architecture? 16.05.00 # I explicitly said that. 16.05.09 # I even cited examples 16.05.31 # Seriously, should I even be bothering trying to talk to you if you're making it so clear you're not reading? 16.06.44 # If you're busy, we should talk about this later. 16.08.03 # This might happens since when while I answer the first post (thus looking on the text board and sometimes the keyboard), you make the second post which I miss 16.08.12 # text box* 16.08.43 # You can still read all of them. 16.08.57 # Yea, but sometimes I don't even notice you add a post 16.09.13 # My fault I guess 16.09.45 # But please don't think I miss those intentionally 16.09.55 # It makes having a conversation with you about things nearly impossible. It's incredibly frustrating to have to say something three times before you acknowledge it, or to be asked questions I've already very carefully tried to answer. 16.10.26 # Yea, I can imagine 16.11.05 # Llorean: btw, I've read that bold earlier, but didn't came to answer to it 16.11.14 # But, to simplify everything: It needs testing on nearly all players before there will be meaningful numbers. And until there are meaningful numbers, there's not much point in visually coding it either with colours or bold/italics, since they would merely mislead those who don't know better. 16.12.15 # ok 16.12.23 # I think you are right 16.13.25 # I just didn't intend to give the colors a special meaning like "playback, but now dps". I rather wanted to to say that e.g. green performs better than yellow 16.13.25 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.41 # But it's probably better to actually have a meaning 16.13.53 Part Llorean 16.14.27 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 16.16.45 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 16.16.54 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 16.18.46 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 16.20.15 # I have finished my new theme :) 16.20.36 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 16.23.22 Quit Ragnor (Nick collision from services.) 16.23.22 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.23.32 Join Ragnor [0] (n=Ragnor@dslb-084-062-102-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.31.03 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 16.32.54 Join Falafel [0] (n=Falafel@186pc220.sshunet.nl) 16.34.59 Quit inversions (Connection timed out) 16.42.46 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.46.13 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ba83ee7e0dcb1f92) 16.57.10 Quit nplus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.57.43 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3cabe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a8fbd9da3d464ae0) 16.59.07 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 16.59.30 # Hello. In the last commit to list.c I see: unsigned int prev_line; and then later prev_line = -1; Is it OK? 17.00.14 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 17.00.16 Join kugel_ [0] (n=chatzill@e178080140.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.00.19 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4F884.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.00.19 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=chatzill@e178080140.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.00.36 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 17.00.59 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 17.03.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.11 # its casted to signed before comparing it, so i think it should work, seems a bit odd though 17.07.20 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.07.27 Join kugel_ [0] (n=chatzill@e178080140.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.07.31 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=chatzill@e178080140.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.10.20 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 17.11.17 # saratoga: as of now it would assign the max int value. But it's a bit of hack IMHO. Why not write it explicitly? 17.17.50 Join Keith [0] (n=7a6d9aaf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9568582db3751b01) 17.18.37 # umm is this where i can asked for help about regarding ipodpatcher 17.19.04 # hello anyone here 17.22.44 # just ask 17.25.01 Join DuoMaxwell [0] (n=noemail@c-98-204-202-42.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 17.25.07 # hey everyone....quick question 17.25.17 # i have rockbox installed on my sansa e280 and lately teh library is very slow 17.25.29 # especially while playing a song 17.25.41 # ive tried doing initialize now and update now 17.25.46 # and set load to ram to yes 17.25.53 # oh ok here goes quick and easy is ipod classic supported? 17.25.56 # 80Gb 17.26.29 # Keith: seen the front page? 17.27.08 # yep.. saw something like ipd 80gb video.. my question is is the one? or is classic different coz i dont see classic 17.27.58 # ohh sorry 17.28.01 # lol i see it 17.28.17 # saratoga: any chance you know anything regarding my ailment? 17.28.37 # no 17.28.38 # daym my bad no classic.. oh well tnks sticking to my e280 then 17.30.13 # DuoMaxwell: have you rebooted after enabling load to ram? 17.30.29 # yes 17.30.42 # ... so at least a comment that it's intentional is needed (about prev_line = -1) 17.31.04 # is there any way to delete the library manually? 17.31.23 # well, obviously there is 17.31.26 # ill go check on the locations 17.32.28 # Buschel: I remember you saying you changed one of the debug screens to print the long term average clock rate in rockbox 17.32.29 # DuoMaxwell: you could delete all *.tcd files in the .rockbox directory and then initialize the database again. 17.32.34 # how did you do that? 17.35.05 # so umm.. there is no way to get rockbox on my classic 80gb right? you guys have plans for that one? 17.35.40 # check the forums 17.35.45 # dont be lazy 17.36.20 # mehh.. ive been on the site for 2 weeks now man give me a break.. just want a yes or a no 17.36.22 # anyway tnks 17.37.10 # i dont think any ports to the ipod classic are in the works 17.39.07 # btw thanks PaulJam 17.39.24 # DuoMaxwell: did it help? 17.41.14 Quit Keith ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.42.45 Quit ch4os (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.45.22 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.50.26 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.52.10 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@055-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 17.59.32 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.09 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 18.02.52 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 18.04.03 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 18.04.45 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 18.05.50 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 18.06.39 Join crash91 [0] (n=crash@41.232.205.37) 18.06.54 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 18.07.04 Quit ch4os_ (Client Quit) 18.07.09 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.07.32 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.10.25 # PaulJam: Yeah it fixed it 18.10.27 # thanks 18.12.25 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.13.11 Quit Falafel (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 18.14.37 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 18.14.58 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 18.15.00 # wow actually managed to use the mailing list without sending a garbled message 18.15.14 Quit homielowe () 18.15.18 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 18.17.20 # saratoga: re: that mail, could you make a quick test_codec run with a small change on the e200? 18.18.48 # n1s: In a little while i can 18.18.49 # libmad is built with -O2 by default but -O for ipods because iirc it was faster and the test in the makefile is for ipods only while I suspect it should be for all pp targets. 18.19.25 # how long ago was that tested? 18.19.38 # we've since replaced a lot of the codec with assembly . . . 18.19.39 # before the sansa port even existed 18.20.01 # should probably be retested on all targets to make sure thats still right 18.20.03 # yes, but it is worthwile to test anyway imho 18.20.38 # i will test that today when i get my sansa 18.20.47 # ok, great 18.20.48 # -O2 being slower is odd though 18.21.00 # i wish we could profile ARM, I'd love to know why that happens 18.21.18 # not really, it often creates much larger code which means worse cache performance 18.21.43 # that shouldn't be a big deal on PP, its got fast cache and fast memory 18.21.45 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 18.21.49 Join Kupo [0] (n=jono@cpc3-bsfd2-0-0-cust278.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 18.21.59 # and if it is, it could be fixed using IRAM if we knew the exact problem 18.22.15 # something is definately up with MAD 18.22.31 # i can't figure out why its so slow 18.22.47 # yeah, it's over 400% realtime on coldfire... 18.23.43 # its fast on coldfire because of the fast multiplier on the emac, but theres no reason it should be so slow on arm 18.24.51 # it should be at least as fast as vorbis, they've both had their transforms rewritten in assembly, both codecs are regarded as algorithmically efficient, and filterbank in mad should be much faster then the imdct in vorbis 18.25.36 Quit ch4os (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.27.18 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-88-41.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 18.34.04 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl8-2-62.dsl.telepac.pt) 18.35.39 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 18.36.37 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.41.25 # saratoga: btw, wouldn't it be more convenient to use MHz instead of % when talking about the codec efficiency? this would take into account the different boosted clocks of the different targets? 18.43.48 # furthermore it will then be obvious that it makes sense to reduce the unboosted clock for codecs like mpc/flac which run at realtime far below the current unboosted clock 18.45.02 # maybe i'll change the output of test_codec to display both results "x MHz (y %)" 18.50.36 # Buschel: as the CPU is running at two different frequencies only a MHz display would be rather strange to me 18.51.18 # it doesn't give me an idea about the performance of the codec itself but only some calculated value where it _would_ run at ... 100% or so 18.53.41 Quit ch4os_ ("leaving") 18.55.30 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 19.03.04 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 19.03.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.04.41 Quit crash91 ("Ex-Chat") 19.04.52 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 19.11.43 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A55BE.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.13.11 # imho a % value gives a better picture of the performance as you know 200% is 2x realtime but what is 40MHz on cpu x? 19.17.52 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6fd9e0c9f723cc25) 19.17.58 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 19.18.00 # n1s/bluebrother: i would keep the percentage, but would add the MHz. the MHz is the "stronger" result as codecs are in general measured in MHz for realtime decoding. we can easily compare to other decoder manufacturers 19.18.12 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4605d85202652997) 19.18.35 # Buschel: I'm still interested in whatever screen you modified to get the actual average clock speed (including DSP and UI overhead) 19.18.40 # how should rbutil treat manufacturers names? Currently we have "iHP-100" but "Ipod" 19.18.53 # my 250% realtime estimate in the email is pretty far off now that i think about it 19.19.07 # probably closer to 280 or 300%, but i'd love to measure it 19.19.38 # bluebrother: I would go with the same style as the manual uses (capitalization like regular names) 19.20.35 # n1s: hmm, I think the manual itself isn't consistent too -- it's "Iriver iHP100" etc. 19.20.48 # but I'll go with "Ipod" for now. 19.21.07 # ah, maybe modelnames aren't covered... 19.21.18 # possible. 19.21.26 # consistency is nice but tedious :( 19.21.50 # indeed. rbutil isn't quite good with that in regards of capitalization :( 19.29.19 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.29.40 Quit ch4os (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.29.50 # saratoga: i simplay use the audio thread debug screen. two measurements: 1st. 5 screen updates/2, 2nd. 10s per screen update. from this you can calculate the UI and the decoding+playback 19.30.10 # *simply 19.30.26 # do you have a patch handy for that? 19.31.10 # saratoga: no (not on my dev-pc), but it's quite simple: the screen already shows the MHz. 19.33.29 # saratoga: plus change "get_action(CONTEXT_STD, HZ/5)" to "..., HZ*10)" in function debug_buffering_thread() 19.34.34 Part spleenk 19.35.23 # saratoga: the decoder's need itself can be calculated from the test_codec-results 19.35.51 # but not hte overhead from everything else right? 19.36.16 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 19.37.41 # is -O the same as -O1 in gcc? 19.37.50 # that's the diff between decoder+playback (via debug menu) -decoder (test_codec) 19.37.59 # saratoga: yes 19.38.04 Quit bluebrother ("bbl") 19.38.29 # i'm going to rerun the test to be sure, but it looks like O2 is slightly faster on the Sansa 19.41.48 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 19.41.49 # Hi! 19.42.41 # yeah O2 is faster (204% vs. 201%) 19.42.51 # anyone object if I just remove that from the makefile entirely? 19.43.07 # or does it need to be verified on PP5002 first? 19.43.59 # how should I input advanced build flags in Rockbox configure script? 19.44.12 # ? 19.44.38 # I've tried with "DLP" flags, but when compiling I received http://pastebin.com/d80c0ac1 19.44.47 # saratoga: i think that would be good, yes 19.45.16 # there isn't any text like <<<<<< in /build/Makefile or /tools/Makefile 19.45.25 # i'll just change the check to be for "IPOD_3G" instead of "IPOD" 19.45.55 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 19.47.11 # should I don't use some flags from D, L and P? 19.49.28 # J-23: is your checkout clean ? '<<<<<<' could come from a bad merge 19.50.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.50.34 # J-23: from what I see, you have to enter one flag at a time, pressing enter in between 19.50.44 # Then an empty line to end 19.50.55 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF5B56.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.51.23 # what's logf() function? (what it does?) 19.51.51 # writes stuff to a text file for debugging 19.52.10 # well mp3 on the ipods is now 2% faster, so i guess thats something 19.52.15 # ok, profile.c file is buggy, I'll try Normal build 19.52.18 # \o/ 19.52.36 # 2% is not huge, but it's certainly not nothing either 19.53.47 # I've tried make clean, removing all files and dirs from /build, svn cleanup and svn update 19.53.54 # but I still receive that error 19.54.04 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.54.09 # Try 'svn stat' to see if it finds anything fishy 19.54.35 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.54.43 # svn stat output is http://pastebin.com/d12f1ca88 19.55.26 # there are conflicts in apps/plugins/SUBDIRS 19.55.57 Quit n1s (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.05 # ok 19.56.10 # I changed <<<<<<<.mine to mine 19.56.12 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 19.56.30 # hmm, no such directory - stop 19.57.46 # ok, I've removed SUBDIRS file and downloaded it from SVN repo. 19.58.01 # what's profiling function? 20.00.03 # maybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SourceProfiling 20.07.01 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 20.17.04 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 20.17.46 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 20.18.08 Quit Arathis2 ("Bye, bye") 20.18.42 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c247f736935450ea) 20.18.44 Quit J-23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.19.01 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 20.22.35 Quit Kupo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.23.00 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 20.28.45 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.36.13 Quit hannesd (No route to host) 20.38.47 Join MU{lappy} [0] (n=Militant@pool-72-70-183-80.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 20.43.17 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-EIGHTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU) 20.44.44 Quit Zarggg_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.00 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 20.46.37 Join Kins [0] (n=47e1105b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-964a233d49daf2ff) 20.46.38 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 20.47.17 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@adsl-66-141-166-195.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 20.47.35 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.47.41 Quit Kins (Client Quit) 20.47.44 Join Kins [0] (n=47e1105b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c271e18767fdaab9) 20.48.04 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.108.116) 20.51.19 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.52.53 Join AcornAcorn [0] (n=chatzill@62-31-47-192.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.53.12 Quit Kins ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.53.15 Join kinsm [0] (n=matt@c-71-225-16-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 20.53.43 # I just tried to use my iriver h300 and it seems like the battery is dead. Is it completely impossible to use rockbox with the player powered from the mains? 20.55.30 # Or is there no way of getting the player to boot into rockbox when the player powers on by being triggered by the mains being plugged it? 20.55.31 # *in 20.55.49 # AcornAcorn: you need to have a working battery even if you use it with the charger plugged in 20.56.24 # :( 20.56.48 # seems to be impossible to get reliable batteries, my last one ballooned, now this one just gives up the ghost 20.57.53 # i wonder if you could replace the battery with some external AA batteries 20.58.18 # Can someone give me a rundown of how I should restart my gigabeats after copying over rockbox? Whenever I get rockbox to run the gigabeat just looks for a firmware update next time I restart it. 20.58.28 # its almost like rockbox just isnt sticking 20.59.18 # AcornAcorn: some people seem to have a good luck with replacement h100 or h300 batteries, so there probably are good brands around 20.59.40 Join webguest16 [0] (n=4fd3dc22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-97ff7a0305ea109c) 20.59.54 # * gevaerts doesn't remember what brand or who those people are unfortunately 21.00.00 # it's a shame I can't just have it plugged into the charger and run rockbox 21.00.22 Quit webguest16 (Client Quit) 21.00.36 # I haven't kept track of rockbox lately, is there any more progress on usb host for the h300? 21.02.56 # no. Only usb slave for PP devices. 21.03.01 # AcornAcorn: I bought a CameronSino battery for my h320 and it's been working nicely for a couple of weeks now 21.03.35 Quit bertrik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.03.36 # n1s: that's what I've got. I should probably take a look inside my player and make sure it hasn't leaked 21.03.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.03.59 # and maybe check it with a voltmeter 21.05.44 Quit davina (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.51 # I have to admit that after a year of intense use, my CameronSino battery doesn't last as long as it used to... Maybe they have a large stock of batteries, and age is what kills them :( 21.06.03 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=1800dac6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f4734f983b151f34) 21.06.52 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.07.10 # Hey guys... wee bit of an oddity here with my cross compiler environment. 21.07.35 # petur: yeah, i don't think they would produce new batteries for players that have been discontinued for several years... 21.07.43 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-106-132.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 21.08.10 # The configure script is complaining that sh-elf-gcc and sh-elf-ld are not in my $PATH, but I can confirm that I indeed listed /usr/local/sh-elf/bin in my $PATH. Any ideas? 21.08.36 # And I had recently (about half and hour ago, to be exact) re-ran rockboxdev.sh. 21.08.58 # LambdaCalculus37: does "which sh-elf-gcc" find the binary? 21.09.07 # Let me check. 21.09.30 # Nope. 21.09.36 # That's odd... 21.10.15 # is /usr/local/sh-elf/bin included if you do a "echo $PATH" ? 21.10.38 # n1s: Yeah, like I said before, I confirmed it was myself. 21.10.58 # so are the files in there then? 21.11.09 # well, looks like it isn't in the PATH. How did you put it in the path? 21.11.09 # Yeah. 21.11.30 # bluebrother: I added it to my .bashrc file. 21.11.58 # LambdaCalculus37: my point was to try echo $PATH in the terminal to see if it was listed there 21.12.11 # which wasn't clear to me if you have done or not 21.12.16 # try sourcing that file manually: . 21.12.19 # n1s: I have done so. 21.12.28 # dang, enter came too early: . ~/.bashrc 21.12.33 # I added the following line to my .bashrc: "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:usr/local/sh-elf/bin" 21.12.57 # LambdaCalculus37: there's a / missing in the SH part 21.12.59 # missing slash 21.13.03 # meh 21.13.26 # * LambdaCalculus37 smacks his forehead 21.13.31 # D'oh! :P 21.13.39 # I feel silly now. :) 21.13.46 # * LambdaCalculus37 fixes his .bashrc 21.14.30 # i did a similar thing when building a crosscompiler myself, a typo in the prefix and it ended up in another dir where i couldn't find it :) 21.15.16 # Yay, now I can compile for the Archos JBR! 21.15.32 # n1s, bluebrother: Thanks! 21.15.53 # kinsm: Need help getting Rockbox to run on your Gigabeat S? 21.16.11 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@055-023-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 21.17.05 # hehe, funny "bug" in rbutil: "Starting bootloader uninstallation ... unsupported install method" ;-) 21.17.47 # I sure do heh 21.18.06 # kinsm: Did you install the patched nk.bin to your S? 21.18.25 # And compile a build and tar it? 21.18.26 Part J-23 21.18.37 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 21.18.50 # I havent compiled anything but the sendfirm 21.19.14 # but earlier today I had rockbox running just fine until I restarted the player 21.19.30 # What were you trying to do? 21.20.15 # I just powered it off with the on/off button 21.20.29 # and it boots to some kind of firmware recovery 21.21.06 # but I can resend the nk.bin and it will boot to rb just fine 21.21.34 # When was the last time you rolled a bootloader? 21.22.20 # I dont know what you mean 21.22.39 # I just snagged my nk.bin from a .zip on the install page on the wiki 21.23.00 # that came with a bootloader.bin that I never did anything with 21.23.23 # * kinsm is in over his head 21.23.27 # From here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation 21.23.31 # yeah 21.24.04 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 21.24.05 # right before I started talking to you I was working on setting up the envir to compile everything on my own 21.25.07 # Ahhh, wait wait wait! I think I know what you may be talking about! 21.25.29 # Are you taking the single-boot version of the bootloader? The one that completely removes the original firmware? 21.25.38 # yeah 21.25.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 claps his hands 21.26.01 # Bingo! There we go! 21.26.17 # from reading yesterdays irc log it seems to me like you guys may have the dualboot working 21.26.36 # Correctamundo! Dual booting DOES work! 21.26.47 # But, single booting isn't recommended for now! 21.26.59 # Sooooo... you want to roll a dual-booting bootloader! 21.27.50 # Thats using the mknkboot correct? 21.28.04 # That means, you need to get the hacked Gigabeat V updater, open it up, and borrow its nk.bin file, which you then patch with a compiled nk.bin. 21.28.32 # You use mknkboot to combine the two files, and presto! Dual booting! 21.28.44 # alright sounds good 21.28.53 # Then use sendfirm to send it to your Gigabeat, and sit back and enjoy the fun! 21.28.58 # I was getting real close to doing that too 21.29.07 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.29.11 # Thanks for the help 21.29.19 # Any time! 21.30.22 # Oh yes! 21.30.49 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.31.00 # Don't forget that we have a bootloader USB mode for the S now. 21.31.14 # So whenever you want to update, you can use that. 21.31.34 # I remember reading that somewhere on the wiki heh 21.31.36 # * amiconn really wonders about saratoga's commit 21.32.29 # He changed libmad to compile with -O2 except ipod G3 - but the G1 and G2 are PP5002 as well 21.33.03 # amiconn: You could ask him when he comes in, I guess. 21.33.16 # Either should all ipods use -O2, or PP5002 should continue to use -O. The condition matches neither atm 21.33.38 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-abb4c3cc32c61b2a) 21.33.46 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 21.33.53 # Speak of the devil... 21.33.54 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21.33.55 # amiconn: you've got a PP5002-target, right? 21.33.59 # yes 21.34.05 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fc41f829b97e25a2) 21.34.07 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 21.34.08 # Both a G1 and a G2 21.34.15 # amiconn: so you could check the -O vs. -O2 option? 21.34.23 # (and a spare G2 without hdd) 21.34.23 # domonoky: welcome back :) 21.34.27 # sorry, forgot there was now rockbox on the 1 and 2 gen ipods 21.34.31 # * LambdaCalculus37 has to run 21.34.31 # -) 21.34.37 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.34.41 # saratoga: Now? It's 10 months... 21.34.43 # am I correct that ipodpatcher checks the downloaded .ipod file before installing it? 21.34.48 # my intention to was to leave PP5002 alone until someone got a chance to check it 21.41.05 # bluebrother: ipodpatcher does a few checks on the downloaded bootloader file, but i dont know how much checks are there.. 21.43.07 # domonoky: well, I'll leave that out for now -- but maybe we should think about checking the downloaded file first. If ipodpatcher does enough it's fine ;-) 21.43.18 # same applies to sansapatcher of course. 21.43.51 # * domonoky just checked the source of ipodpatcher, and there is a checksum check on the bootloader file, so it should be enough.. 21.46.09 # sansapatcher seems to do less checks,i can only spot a header check for the bootloader file in the sansapatcher.. 21.49.39 # Regarding replay gain. it does decrease battery life in when activated right? 21.50.03 # If I have that enabled in rockbox, but the file doesn't have tags (so that no replay gain happens), will it still use more cpu? 21.50.11 # Why should it? 21.51.10 # Btw, there is a way o find out for sure: perform runtime tests 21.51.16 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p508CBA50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.51.35 # the setting is enabled. I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking 21.53.13 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.54.12 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 21.55.18 # amiconn: I observed the the buffering thread screen a bit, it wasn't clear, since I don't have the same file with and without gain in the tags. Anyway, asking here is faster than testing :p 21.55.43 # * amiconn wouldn't know 21.56.01 # I wouldn't expect replaygain to influence runtime though 22.00.39 # it adds a small amount of cpu usage but not much at all, other dsp use far more cpu 22.01.02 # * amiconn wonders how saratoga got 2% speedup on ipod 22.01.31 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 22.02.09 # Thanks for clarification 22.03.08 # My measurements on mini G2 show about 0.7% speedup (test1: 199.9->201.3% realtime), resp. 0.1% (test2: 218.8->219.0% realtime) 22.03.41 # amiconn: maybe different bitrate or something? 22.03.43 # PP5002 does in fact profit more from -O2 (about 0.8% speedup in both cases) 22.04.29 # n1s: Those test tracks are vastly varying in bitrate. test1 is vbr >200kbps, test2 is 112kbps cbr 22.05.36 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.05.45 # amiconn: ah, maybe he meant percentage units (or whatever they are called) when the absolute difference in % is used 22.06.20 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsj18.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.07.03 Quit gregzx (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.13 # anyway, it seems like a good idea to compile libmad with O2 for all targets then 22.07.34 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsj18.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.07.46 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 22.08.00 # See build.rockbox.org ... 22.08.24 # right :) 22.12.03 # amiconn: I used the 192k test track on the codec performance page on a PP5024 22.12.19 # runtime increased from 200 to 204% 22.12.28 # err, decode rate increased 22.13.12 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc171.ugent.be) 22.14.08 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 22.16.46 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.18.03 # Interesting... 22.19.44 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=z@216-15-73-111.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 22.19.49 # does anyone know of a tool to dump embedded bitmap fonts from a ttf font? 22.22.29 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 22.23.17 Quit Zarggg (No route to host) 22.24.19 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 22.25.14 Join BlakeJohnson87 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-200-137-135.area2.spcsdns.net) 22.28.18 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 22.29.10 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb244.ugent.be) 22.30.42 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@85.72.164.39) 22.32.00 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.34.26 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 22.34.45 # im trying to play a video in rockbox with mpegplayer but half the video is offscreen 22.34.57 # i need to convert the video to 220x176 dont i? 22.35.52 # DuoMaxwell: yes, you will need to convert it 22.36.01 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnh069.ugent.be) 22.36.09 # but the size depends on your screen size and the aspect ratio of the original video 22.38.21 Join BlakeJohnson88 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-200-137-135.area2.spcsdns.net) 22.38.21 Quit BlakeJohnson87 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.41.45 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.43.21 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 22.44.09 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.44.30 Nick DrMoos is now known as moos (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 22.47.19 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 22.52.59 Quit tvelocity_ (Connection timed out) 22.53.50 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4421990.home.otenet.gr) 22.54.46 Part Buschel 22.55.50 # markun: it was already an mpeg 22.55.52 # but it was huge 22.56.00 # i have the sansa e280...which is 220x176 22.57.31 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.57.39 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 22.57.49 Quit DuoMaxwell () 22.58.13 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.58.53 Nick drf|away is now known as drfsupercenter (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 22.59.50 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 23.01.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.03.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.04.55 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 23.06.42 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 23.09.53 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secl@adsl-70-237-226-48.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 23.10.02 Quit amaldo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.10.33 Part csc`` 23.12.16 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.13.01 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B163981.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.16.55 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.21.59 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.07 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.27.08 Join amaldo [0] (n=maldonad@atradig103.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 23.29.11 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.30.25 # gevaerts: what indicates in the USB driver that the 500mA request was accepted? 23.31.50 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.33.04 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.139) 23.36.32 # Could anyone tell me what file isnt in order when I get "File not found" in the gigabeats bootloader? 23.37.11 Nick drfsupercenter is now known as drf|away (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 23.37.19 # Im not sure if that a general error or there is a certian file its looking for but having a problem with (like rockbox.gigabeat) 23.38.01 # kinsm: I would expect it's rockbox.gigabeat 23.38.20 # where is it located on your player? 23.38.22 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 23.38.31 # kinsm: that is a know periodic problem 23.38.49 # BigBambi: I'll let you do the talking then :) 23.38.53 # For some reason the bootloader doesn't find rockbox.gigabeat even though it is in the correct place 23.39.02 # markun: hehe :) 23.39.07 # is there anything that I can do about it? 23.39.18 # BigBambi: but there's a way to stop it...though I'm not clear about exactly what 23.39.24 # kinsm: people in the past have fixed it by restoring the OF, then reinstalling the bootloader 23.39.39 # kinsm: but I don't know why 23.39.49 # jhMikeS: yeah, its a weird one isn't it 23.39.49 # well Ill give that a try 23.40.08 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.13 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.139) 23.40.32 # kinsm: once you have a 'working' bootloader installed, there don't seem to be any more problems - you can update the build 23.41.18 # kinsm: the weird thing is, it isn't even necessarily directly related to the bootloader build - I and another have used the exact same bootloader, it worked fine for me and he had the issues 23.41.58 # hrmm thats odd 23.42.05 # kinsm: however, having said all that, it might be an idea first to do as markun says and check that rockbox.gigabeat is in the right place - /.rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat 23.42.47 # yeah its there, I even replaced it a couple times thinking that it was the culprit 23.42.48 # kinsm: It is really odd - some people have never had it (me included), others have had it and a restore then reinstall worked, .... 23.44.27 # how do I boot to the windows firmware once I have the bootloader properly installed? 23.44.34 # turn hold on 23.44.40 # not a whole lot of documentation flying around heh 23.44.45 # alright thanks 23.44.48 # the port isn't ready yet 23.45.12 # true 23.45.16 # * kinsm is antsy 23.45.16 # it is pretty much for devs at this point - install on your own back 23.45.58 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3032.gwdg.de) 23.46.38 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.47.01 # ok everything is working after installing from the OF again 23.47.06 # cool 23.47.38 # great work on the port so far, ive been waiting awhile 23.50.10 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.48 # kinsm: now get hacking! :) 23.50.53 Quit amaldo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.51.12 # heh if I knew what I was doing I would love to help you guys 23.54.49 Quit n1s () 23.57.47 Join amaldo [0] (n=maldonad@atradig103.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 23.58.32 # so, any word on work on the port for the creative zen? ;/