--- Log for 06.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.29 Quit Rob2223 () 00.04.06 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 00.05.05 # Am I allowed to ask questions if I compiled with USB support and see broken files? Or should I be more patient and wait for official inclusion? 00.06.27 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.08.08 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4bff659f29ea5c09) 00.08.57 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.10.59 Quit kretender (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.14.59 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 00.14.59 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.40 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable097.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.20.44 # balug_: Feel free to ask... 00.20.48 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.24.40 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 00.24.48 Join DataGhost [0] (n=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 00.26.03 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.26.32 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.27.29 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.29.02 Join nedd1 [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-ba2b506e0955365d) 00.29.51 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.30.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.32.04 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p508C98E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.32.45 # When I copy some flac files to a microSDHC in my Sansa via rb USB, at first the files are ok (sha1sum are the same as the original). 00.33.27 # But after umounting and unplugging it and trying to play the songs, rb skip in the middle of the track. 00.33.35 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eab695bbcb6dab6d) 00.33.55 # When I then mount again and look at the files, the sha1sum have changed. So the files are broken. 00.34.17 Quit ender` (" Microsoft is like a case of herpes. You can't kill it off entirely, just force it to go into a dormant stage for a while.") 00.35.08 Nick vain is now known as jodedor (n=vain@adsl-75-45-221-114.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 00.35.09 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.36.23 # Is there any special measures I have to take when unmounting? 00.37.32 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 00.37.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.37.58 # maybe the first checksums you computed were done on cached versions of the file in the OS' memory 00.39.05 # This should then change after a "sync" call, shouldn't it? 00.39.09 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 00.42.25 # can someone with appropiate perrmissions change the c200 wps gallery entry delete revisions 3,4 & 5 and on revision 2 remove the second attachment 00.43.21 # balug_: Did you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb (especially the description of the Sansa microSD bugs) ? 00.46.18 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.47.49 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.48.14 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 00.50.29 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.50.34 # linuxstb: Ah, thanks. Ok, this is exactly the stuff I see. 00.52.09 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.53.21 # balug_: I'm curious, how did you know how to enable USB without reading that page? Or did you just miss the section about Sansa problems? 00.53.29 Quit midgey () 00.53.33 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 00.53.36 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.56.33 # I read it, but because it said that it affected the c200 more than the e200, I did not read until the end of the paragraph and looked for the #defines... 00.57.14 # Mea culpa 01.03.34 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.06.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.31 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 01.08.44 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.11.53 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.12.37 Join diego63 [0] (n=48b1c3f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0146beb60b0e92ea) 01.13.17 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.15.50 # I've installed Rockbox on my iPod video 5g 60gb, converted the iTunes database to Rockbox Database, and exported playlists from iTunes as .m3u and loaded them in the Playlist folder. Rockbox recognizes them as playlists and tries to play them, but can't find the files. Is there a way to fix this? 01.21.16 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 01.21.38 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@adsl-65-69-152-118.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.25.04 # how did you convert the iTunes playlists to m3u and what do you mean with "converted the iTunes database to Rockbox database"? Also, could you open such an m3u in a text editor and see what the filenames look like? Don't know if it leads to something but from what I know about iTunes it might be worth looking. 01.26.15 # diego63: the first question includes "how did you transfer the music files to the Ipod"? 01.27.09 Quit balug_ ("Ex-Chat") 01.29.03 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCF664.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.34.38 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.36.41 # The playlists were converted using iTunesExportUI. I mean that I used itbd2tc. The text format looks like this: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\My Music\Musicals\Bat Boy\07 - Dance With Me, Darling - Bat Boy.mp3 I transfered using iTunes and I know the easier way would be to transfer the files directly, but I'd like to keep using iTunes to update my mp3 player automatically since I use iTunes on my 01.38.46 Quit Rob2223 () 01.39.01 Quit lolmaus () 01.40.21 # diego63, the problem is the apple firmware puts all your songs into the ipodcontrol directory using 4 letter filenames, so your playlists formatted as they are won't work 01.40.24 # iTunes stores the files in a different directory structure and obfuscates the file names when transferring the songs to the Ipod, so the filenames won't look like in your m3u 01.41.47 # Yeah, I understand that, but is there any way around this or am I just screwed unless I transfer the files directly onto the player? 01.42.52 # you could remake all your playlists by hand using the files on the player, but that's going to take awhile if you have a lot of playlists 01.43.06 # and you'd have to use another application than itunes. 01.45.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCF664.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.47.20 # okay thanks 01.50.14 # I think there were a few threads in the forums which mention ways (and tools) around it 01.52.23 # e.g. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8039.0 - not sure if that's still valid and I neither have an Ipod nor ever used iTunes 01.53.40 Quit Ragnor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.54.50 Join jeffdamet1 [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-237-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.55.11 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.58.44 Quit n1s () 01.59.24 Nick drf|away is now known as drfsupercenter (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 02.06.43 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.10.49 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.14.41 Quit XavierGr () 02.24.17 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.26.32 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=notroot@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.37.30 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.42.13 Join |Marco| [0] (i=marco@cakebox.net) 03.02.11 Quit jodedor (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.44 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 03.06.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.08.19 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.11.27 Join webguest66 [0] (n=be85a6b1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-450cbb858ecc19f5) 03.11.55 Quit webguest66 (Client Quit) 03.11.57 Quit knittl ("-- visit http://myftphp.sf.net") 03.18.42 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 03.19.47 Join scorche [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.19.48 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.20.04 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=notroot@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 03.25.46 Quit homielowe () 03.28.31 Part pixelma 03.35.09 Nick drfsupercenter is now known as drf|away (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 03.36.13 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 03.36.39 Quit crope ("Leaving") 03.52.02 Join jodedor [0] (n=vain@adsl-75-45-221-114.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.59.50 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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I look forward to FINALLY contributing to rockbox after years of using it :) 06.58.19 # peace out 06.58.25 Quit MarkDavidoff ("CGI:IRC") 07.03.12 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-152-29.bchsia.telus.net) 07.06.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.07.02 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 07.08.54 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.12.33 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.19.40 Part toffe82 07.21.53 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.24.40 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 07.25.23 Quit bughunter2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.27.37 Quit diego63 ("CGI:IRC") 07.32.24 Join rphlx [0] (i=foobar@cpe-76-167-162-245.socal.res.rr.com) 07.37.53 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 07.37.55 # I usually get errors like "arm-elf-gcc not found" when compiling, because the path is not set 07.38.08 # can we make it so that the path is automatically set properly for compiling? 07.41.06 # it varies according to your environment 07.41.15 # (how to do that, i mean) 07.45.54 # I mean how about we change that in SVN? 07.47.42 # because it changes according to your environment and it would be a bit of a pain to compensate for each way 07.47.47 # that is the short answer, at least 07.48.01 # well... ok 07.48.21 # maybe we can use a variable to determine the OS (windows/linux) then set the appropriate path 07.49.40 # determining between windows and linux would be pretty useless as the script wont run in windows... 07.50.31 # if you had said "cygwin/debian" that would have been a bit more correct...is that what you mean? 07.51.52 # and even if you checked which distro the computer is using, that still wont concretely tell you the way to set the path...there are other factors 07.53.20 # however, even if you made a nice checking of all the verious variables, i dont think it would be nice to just add it to the path...what if they have another version of arm-elf-gcc that they use?...what if they are testing multiple versions and must have a specific one in the path? 07.53.30 # (this is getting into the longer answer) ;) 07.54.52 # oh, I thought the script can run on windows :p 07.55.06 # no, I'm not checking for the distro 07.55.30 # I mean, we can use tools/rockboxdev.sh to download and build the crosscompiler, right 07.56.05 # then the easy way would be to take this variable prefix="/tmp/rbdev-usr" from that script and then prepend it to PATH 07.56.06 # I, for example, have a bunch of cross compilers installed 07.56.27 # Oh.. 07.56.31 # and don't particularily like things playing with my path variables without my knowledge. 07.56.46 # Well, one way would be to create a config file that is user configurable 07.56.49 # because then other things I run break. which is a pain in the arse. 07.56.51 # like i said...it wouldnt be very nice to screw with those things through the script 07.56.59 # the makefile sources this config file 07.57.18 # if we made a userconfigurable config file, we might as well just make them add their path themselves. 07.57.22 # which ruins the point... 07.57.37 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.45) 07.57.39 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c160c3958d77e69c) 07.57.39 # and what would be so much simpler about editing a config file versus....yeah...what he said ;) 07.58.11 # well... 07.58.49 # Right now I use a script to set the path , named set-path 07.58.58 # I source it before compiling, like this ". set-path" 07.59.05 # if I forgot then make will complain 07.59.09 # why not edit your .bashrc (or whichever shell you use) 07.59.29 # well, I didn't think of that (editing the bashrc) 07.59.41 # but I don't compile other cross targets anyway... 08.00.24 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-220-216.dsl.scarlet.be) 08.07.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 08.13.28 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D6F2.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.18.21 # saratoga: a pitty we're not in the same time zone :o) 08.19.43 # saratoga: your profiling seem reasonable. and yes, libmad has dct/synth/imdct asm'ed for arm -- all with 64bit mulitplies 08.20.59 # saratoga: is the imdct-windowing contained in your imdct profiling? and is alias reduction contained in some of those functions, too? 08.22.07 # saratoga: those sub functions are quite "small". so, it should be not that hard to change those to 32but multiplies and check the performance as well as precision then 08.24.42 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.25.00 # saratoga: also synthfull might be a candidate for 32bit multiplies (as done in mpc). but for this the D-array needs to be carefully pre-scaled -- as well as the input V which is the output of dct32. it's better to do the prescaling of V within dct32 as each V-sample is used mutliple times in synthfull 08.26.32 # saratoga: changing dct32 to 32bit multiplies is quite hard imho. 08.27.16 # saratoga: gotta go now, maybe we can manage to talk later 08.27.18 Quit Buschel () 08.36.38 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 08.37.55 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.39.17 Join demiurge [0] (n=demiurge@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 08.40.54 Quit demiurge (Client Quit) 08.41.11 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 08.41.43 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-152-29.bchsia.telus.net) 08.43.57 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCDEF0.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.44.58 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|afk (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.45.00 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.46.12 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 08.54.38 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.57.28 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.57.29 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 08.57.54 Part wpyh 09.01.30 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.06.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.43 Quit Xcell (Connection reset by peer) 09.15.00 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3063.gwdg.de) 09.18.43 Join blaamann [0] (n=rune@pc-24-200.aksis.uib.no) 09.24.48 Part blaamann 09.28.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 09.30.28 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 09.33.55 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 09.45.59 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.52.02 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.19.35 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet10.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 10.28.35 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.171.9) 10.29.19 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 10.40.06 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.42.16 Quit csc` ("As a precautionary measure for the preservation of hamsters, do NOT put them in the microwave...*poof*") 10.50.31 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 10.51.05 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-121ce44771a45e39) 10.51.58 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 10.52.43 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b8a66552499bc74f) 11.06.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.12.35 Join crope [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-187-242.psoas.suomi.net) 11.14.03 # * GodEater 's GBS fails to see it's USB connection. 11.14.07 # * GodEater gets frustrated at it 11.14.48 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.20.47 # okay what does "Waiting for usb" mean on the bootloader screen ? 11.22.28 # I waits for someone to tell it about the usb spec ? 11.25.19 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.29.15 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2f069aea43a6f20d) 11.30.41 Quit knittl (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.31.24 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-210-174.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.33.46 # I've discovered that what it means is "your OSes USB stack is temporarily hosed, please reboot your PC" 11.34.25 # * GodEater tried rmmod'ing ehci_hcd, but failed to take into account his keyboard and mouse are both usb too. So it didn't work well. 11.36.48 # hehe 11.37.19 # Weird. Keyboard and mouse should work just fine without ehci_hcd 11.37.44 # usb seems to be pretty unstable in all desktop os's... 11.38.14 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.38.25 # gevaerts: ah - well I only assumed that was the problem 11.38.28 # rmmoding just hung 11.38.47 # I assumed it was waiting for all devices to disconnect or something, and then assumed again it was the keyb/mouse 11.38.52 # so perhaps something else was wrong 11.39.45 # Unless you have really exotic hardware, keyboard and mouse are connected to (u|o)hci 11.39.47 # I feel somehow cheated that I had to reboot to make it work 11.39.58 # I have an exotic(ish) keyboard 11.40.05 # it has a smart card reader built into it 11.40.51 # * GodEater can provide an lsusb or similar info if it's interesting enough to look into ? 11.42.22 # My guess is that the keyboard is still full speed (smartcard doesn't sound like a high bandwidth device) 11.42.57 # I wouldn't have thought so, it only contains secure keys, which even if they've been put together with a silly number of bits are still going to be quite small 11.43.38 # the card capacity is so low, they can't even store our vending machine profiles on them at the same time as the secure keys 11.43.45 # so we have to have a seperate card for that now 11.44.12 # You can check by "lsusb -c -d |grep bcdUSB" with the correct numbers for the keyboard 11.45.46 # -c isn't a valid option to my lsusb 11.46.02 # I guess you meant -v ? 11.46.14 # bcdUSB 2.00 11.49.19 # hi 11.49.58 # gevaerts: I had lots of reconnect issues when using High Speed usb on the microSD card on rockbox. No reconnects at all in Full Speed. I don't know if that's to be expected 11.50.01 # (e260) 11.50.34 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.50.38 # (and I think that some files were corrupted because some of them have skips durring playback) 11.51.17 # The other thing I noticed, but that looks compleletely unrelated, is that I get interference on the headphones when the SD card is being read. 11.51.51 Quit AndyI () 11.52.01 # GodEater: -v indeed. Although I was wrong, that doesn't prove anything... 11.52.39 # hahaha 11.55.15 # The only way is to actually know is to see how it's connected 11.55.42 # with a usb cable? ;) 11.55.45 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.56.00 # * GodEater suspects this isn't the right answer 11.56.23 # dionoea: reconnects or bus resets? bus resets are not unexpected. Where is it connected (hub, front port, back port, laptop,...) ? 11.56.51 # left hand side port of my T60 laptop. I'll have to test the right hand side ones or those on the Macbook 11.57.07 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 11.57.12 # but the left handside one is directly on the motherboard so it should be "ok" 11.57.13 # audio interference is unrelated 11.57.57 # GodEater: indeed not :) Easiest way to tell is to unplug and replug and look at wat dmesg tells you 11.58.13 # This is what I got: 11.58.15 # Jun 5 23:32:16 muscipula kernel: usb 1-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 11.59.12 # dionoea: ok. That's the "normal" remaining usb issue (but not the cause of the corruption, that's in the sd driver) 11.59.34 # gevaerts: not keen to try that - it's going via a rather odd KVM too 11.59.45 # ok. 11.59.52 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.00.11 # I can only access my card through rockbox because it's microSD HC so I guess that I'll live with the corruption issues :) 12.00.11 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.00.35 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.00.35 # GodEater: you can of course look through dmesg and match lsusb bus numbers to dmesg connect messages 12.01.13 # dionoea: you could experiment with the workaround from FS#8663 12.01.14 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 12.01.38 # GodEater: on the other hand, it's not _that_ important ;) 12.01.44 # I have this from dmesg : input: Hewlett-Packard Company HP USB Smart Card Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb2/2-1/2-1.1/2-1.1:1.0/input/input1 12.01.54 # gevaerts: which patch should I try? yours? 12.02.32 Join kennyj_ [0] (i=kennyj@kyogi.net) 12.02.38 # dionoea: a modified version of mine (as mine only modifies c200 behaviour). 12.02.53 # heh, ok :) I'll dig in the source 12.03.12 # dionoea: however, as I noticed that internal and microsd behave differently, maybe the delay needs to depend on that as well 12.03.33 # ok, i'll try experimenting and post my results on the tracker 12.03.34 # * gevaerts doesn't know much about the sansa sd controller 12.03.45 # Is there any reliable way to check for data corruption? 12.03.52 # (Is read reliable?) 12.04.05 Quit desowin (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.04.05 Quit homielowe (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit jeffdamet1 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit kennyj (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit tchan (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit HellDragon (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit FOAD (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit MU{lappy} (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.05 Quit Galois (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.04.24 # dki 12.04.32 # dionoea: are you using linux ? 12.04.36 # yup 12.04.56 # Just wanted to know if the read from the SD is ok. Then I can do some checksums 12.05.05 # read is ok, yes 12.05.26 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.05.26 NJoin FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 12.05.39 # oki, then I'll experiment with variations from your patch 12.07.23 # Do you have any idea why that udelay() would cause the corruptions? (just curious) 12.08.12 # No 12.08.29 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@141.71.76.44) 12.12.00 NJoin homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-152-29.bchsia.telus.net) 12.14.40 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.18.45 NJoin HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 12.19.30 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-237-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.20.15 Quit DerDome (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.21.37 NJoin desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 12.28.23 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.30.28 Join MU{lappy} [0] (n=Militant@72.70.183.80) 12.30.28 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@24.12.190.140) 12.33.01 Quit n1s () 12.40.04 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3092.gwdg.de) 12.41.49 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3002.gwdg.de) 12.47.38 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.47.58 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3081.gwdg.de) 12.48.15 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23D051.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.54.56 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 12.55.31 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245062.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 12.58.21 # the bubbles game is quite weird on the ipod, scrolling clockwise changes the level down and scrolling counterclockwise changes the level up 12.58.27 # is this intentional? 12.58.45 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.00.29 Quit PaulJam__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.04.23 # wpyh: I doubt it. 13.04.36 # probably not but the controls in the bubbles game aren't easily changed (without messing too much, break other targets' controls etc.) due to the system which is used there - and bubbles was even the first game to use this... hope that'll change at or after DevCon... 13.04.53 # yeah 13.05.02 # I haven't looked at the code 13.06.18 # but 13.06.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.53 # the scroll wheel functions properly inside the game (clockwise for moving the pointer right, counterclockwise for moving the pointer left) 13.08.49 # you could just add a special case for the LVLINC key defines in bubbles.c 13.08.53 # (line 84 or so) 13.09.32 # and use PLA_LEFT/RIGHT instead of UP/DOWN i guess 13.12.54 # ah no, just swap UP and DOWN 13.13.16 # * wpyh is looking at the code now 13.13.21 # but then it'll make it weird if people try using the keys instead of the scroll wheel to change the levels 13.13.29 # um... 13.13.31 # weird 13.13.35 # yeah 13.13.45 # why is the tests all like "#if CONFIG_KEYPAD != SANSA_E200_PAD" 13.13.52 # and "#if CONFIG_KEYPAD != ONDIO_PAD" 13.14.05 # why not "#if CONFIG_KEYPAD == xxx_PAD" 13.14.17 # * dionoea doesn't know 13.15.18 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-210-174.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.15.36 # well, it has Adam Boot as the copyright... 13.15.40 # who's that? 13.16.50 # ah, sorry 13.16.56 # it's been in the tracker for some time 13.17.00 # FS#8950 13.21.38 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.21.54 # about the why... because bubbles uses the so-called "pluginlib actions" and the button definitions are hidden in a different file - there was already an exception to be made for the Ondio pad... 13.23.42 # oh, so the PLA_ actions are pluginlib actions? 13.24.25 # thanks for the explanation, anyway 13.25.23 # then maybe we need to make another exception for the ipods 13.25.54 # s/ipod/scroll wheel devices/ 13.26.07 # dionoea: yeah 13.26.07 # pluginlib actions should go away. asap. 13.26.29 # amiconn: you mean plugins should define their own button mappings? 13.26.39 # and if you start making more and more exceptions, why not drop that system at all. As I said, bubbles was the first game to use that and if even that one doesn't work right... 13.27.06 # ok... 13.27.18 # I'm seeing a number of apps using it (by simple grep) 13.27.31 # there are 13 in total 13.28.32 # unfortunately 13.29.04 # pixelma: yes? 13.29.36 # * gevaerts considers 13 to be his lucky number 13.31.04 # wpyh: I wished none of the plugins (at least the games) would use it... ;) 13.32.19 # * wpyh also likes the number 13 (not to be confused with the Number 23) 13.32.45 # pixelma: that can be done, right? 13.33.11 # gevaerts: so you are volunteering to convert these 13 pugins to the old buttonsystem? ;) 13.33.33 # PaulJam_: and remove that lucky 13 ? 13.33.56 # oh, i didn't think of that. 13.35.09 # wpyh: sure, but needs time and a decision (that's what I'm hoping for DevCon and I'd volunteer to help with the necessary coding, not much I can do but that should be in my scope) 13.35.11 # maybe we can just convert those plugins one by one 13.35.23 # pixelma: yes 13.35.25 # Not necessarily the old button system; using actions has its advantages. But plugins should define their own actions 13.35.27 # shouldn't be too hard I think 13.35.56 # No, it's pretty straightforward, just time consuming 13.36.25 # amiconn: yes, and using a different mapping for each target enhances flexibility 13.36.45 # by the way, when searching for the bubbles bug, I found this FS#8931 13.36.57 # I don't see any information on that... 13.37.12 # (and the reporter didn't care to) 13.44.07 Join plasticarman [0] (n=arman@urchin.nyi.net) 13.44.47 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable097.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.48.02 # good morning everybody, I am using latest curent build of rockbox on my ipod 30G video but when i am playing ape+cue files it starts playing for few seconds and after it stops for another few seconds and all over again, is there anything i can do? Thanks beforehand 13.48.20 # well, that's not so bad 13.48.30 # I can't even play one ape file here 13.48.54 # (but maybe that's because the ape file has a new format or damaged or something else) 13.49.09 # :))) 13.49.21 # no i am pretty sure its not the file 13.49.44 # plasticarman: The iPod is too slow to play ape. 13.50.11 # Monkey's Audio requires a lot of CPU power, and iPods just really don't have it. Use a faster lossless format like FLAC. 13.50.24 # Llorean: but in my case the time is displayed as 0:00 13.50.26 # gotcha 13.50.37 # that couldn't be because of the slowness.. 13.50.40 # yeah thats what i did 13.51.04 # whats the reason then? 13.51.17 # plasticarman: I already told you why your problem happens. 13.51.18 # I don't know 13.51.31 # i am sorry i was asking wpyh 13.51.35 # I guess it's because my ape file is encoded with a newer version of monkey's audio 13.51.40 # yep 13.51.41 # :p 13.51.43 # wpyh: You mentioned your file might be damaged or something. I assume you encoded yourself? 13.51.46 # no 13.51.51 # I got it from the net 13.52.26 # hmm, i dont believe to the files from the net :p 13.52.31 # I'm currently verifying it using MAC.exe 13.52.56 # plasticarman: if MAC.exe doesn't have problems with it, I think RB shouldn't as well :0 13.52.57 # :) 13.53.19 # im using debian 13.53.48 # wpyh: The Monkey's Audio site doesn't mention 4.01 breaking compatibility with 3.99. 13.54.11 # oh, I thought the RB codec was based on 3.97? 13.54.28 # Only 3.97 or LATER files are supported 13.54.38 # oh.. 13.54.40 # If your file is made by an old encoder, it won't work. 13.54.51 # how do I know the encoder used ? 13.54.59 # Well, if you make the files yourself, you know. 13.55.13 # Being lossless, just transcode to FLAC and then back using a newer encoder. 13.55.17 # is there any way of knowing it by looking at the file? 13.55.23 # are there any log files with your ape file? 13.55.31 # ah, sorry 13.55.37 # no log files 13.55.39 # I'm stupid 13.55.46 # I just realized I can use the 'file' command :D 13.55.52 # Also, if the file has ID3v2 tags in it, it won't work with Rockbox. 13.56.04 # yeah, the version is "3960", which probably means 3.96 13.56.07 # yup 13.56.19 # any reason why RB will only decode 3.97 or later files? 13.57.22 # No clue. 13.57.34 # ok.. 13.57.38 # My guess would be that's the last time there was a significant compatibility change. 13.58.36 # maybe... but maybe we can include the older codec too 13.59.15 # Well, the current Monkey's Audio codec still has a lot of work to be done on it. 13.59.35 # Optimizing it makes more sense. 13.59.38 # ok 13.59.47 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 13.59.53 # As they're lossless audio, old files can be transcoded to the new version anyway. 13.59.57 # I myself won't mind converting to FLAC though, since I can play flac more easily than APE 14.00.07 # but my friends like APE better 14.00.16 # in China, APE is more popular than FLAC 14.00.19 # don't know why 14.00.25 # maybe because it compresses smaller 14.02.03 # yeah, and does anyone know why the scrollwheel is nonfunctional immediately after exiting bubbles? 14.02.23 # it is detected (the backlight lights up) but the menu won't scroll 14.02.44 # I have to press one button (any other button) until it would respond to my input again 14.03.01 # * wpyh thinks there's some improper cleanup 14.03.28 # People have reported this after turning the hold switch on and off, and other cases too. 14.03.39 # Nobody's fixed it yet, obviously, so it's pretty unlikely the cause is known. 14.04.01 # ok.. 14.04.23 # is it reproducible (in the hold button case) 14.05.04 # I can't reproduce it, at least 14.05.18 # ok 14.05.26 # by the way, any web admins here? 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16.54.09 # 30 gb video 16.54.26 # Instructions are here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-220002.6 16.54.35 # thanx 16.56.49 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.00.10 Quit guru () 17.00.13 Join guru [0] (n=gurudude@66.226.208.211) 17.00.23 # thanks for that help that was easy enough 17.00.47 # one more question is there a way to back up your ipod for safe issues 17.01.35 Quit crope ("Leaving") 17.01.41 # the ipod is just a regular USB drive. use whatever backup software you want. 17.02.08 # is there a chance by loading and unloading rockbox it could corrupt the ipod firmware? 17.03.18 # No. 17.03.20 # No more chance than any other write to the device has a possibility of corrupting the data. 17.03.36 # ok great just checking thanks for all your help 17.03.41 # have a good one! 17.03.47 Quit guru (Client Quit) 17.06.12 Join crope [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-186-83.psoas.suomi.net) 17.06.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.08.03 Quit MU{lappy} (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.10.40 Quit domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.11.44 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 17.14.57 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 17.14.57 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.14.57 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 17.15.31 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.18.15 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0b6cca2f94ec9f8e) 17.18.57 # is there anybody who can help me with tcctool? 17.19.57 Quit keenox () 17.20.19 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC") 17.38.03 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 17.38.33 Quit nedd1 (Connection timed out) 17.45.27 Join verbal [0] (n=ko@c83-251-58-115.bredband.comhem.se) 17.46.36 # I have looked in the wiki but I have not found any info about what language the .rock apps/games are coded in 17.46.49 # They're coded in C. 17.46.56 # Like the majority of Rockbox is. 17.47.26 # Alright, thanks 17.49.17 # ouch, I just saw the For Developers section in the wiki, sorry 17.52.35 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 18.00.59 Quit crope (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.05.46 Quit DaCapn () 18.19.29 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D4E5.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.20.12 Join enginerd3 [0] (n=407c962a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c7cdad62bf30db7c) 18.20.26 Join keenox [0] (i=keenox@89.47.115.83) 18.22.11 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7316.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.24.51 # hello 18.25.13 # does anybody know when linuxstb is available? 18.27.01 # keenox: He's shown as being online, but I'm not if he's available or not. 18.27.43 # keenox: if you have a question, then just ask, maybe someone else can answer it. 18.28.27 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@70-5-58-253.area3.spcsdns.net) 18.33.25 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p5B23D38D.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.34.28 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 18.35.38 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 18.35.44 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.36.58 Join Febs__ [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 18.36.58 Quit Febs_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.37.32 # i wanted do know if there's any way to find the memory config of a certain player for the tcctool 18.38.04 # i want to use tcctool with x20, but no config of the available players work 18.38.23 # * amiconn started a runtime test on his mini G2 18.38.38 # * amiconn is curious whether CF really extends runtime 18.40.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 18.41.32 # keenox: Support will have to be added for the x20, then. 18.41.53 # What version of the Telechips series is in the x20? 18.42.09 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.23 Nick Febs__ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 18.45.15 # LambdaCalculus37, i am not sure myself but i know the x20 and the insignia ns-dv are the same.. i do not know if that will help or not 18.45.51 # * LambdaCalculus37 decides to hit the wiki 18.46.05 # advcomp2019: Let me see if it's listed. 18.46.51 # advcomp2019: TCC8200 + codec Texas Instruments TI TLV320AIC23B, according to the wiki. 18.48.41 # sorry for being late 18.48.54 # the chip is indeed tcc8200 18.50.59 # keenox: You may want to look at /utils/tcctool.c in the source trunk: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/utils/tcctool/tcctool.c?revision=16394&view=markup 18.51.31 # i think i did take a look at the source some time ago 18.52.05 # tatic struct device_t devices[] = 18.52.05 # { 18.52.05 # {"c100", "Sansa C100 series", 0xb021, 0x20000000, 0x42e97010 }, 18.52.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK keenox 18.52.05 # {"cowond2", "Cowon D2", 0xb011, 0x20000000, 0xa2e92010 }, 18.52.05 # {"iaudio6", "iAudio 6", 0xb021, 0x20000000, 0x62e97010 }, 18.52.05 *** Alert Mode level 1 18.52.05 # {"iaudio7", "iAudio 7", 0xb021, 0x20000000, 0x62e97010 }, 18.52.07 # {"logikdax", "Logik DAX 1GB DAB/MP3 player", 0xb021, 0x20000000, 0x52e97410 }, 18.52.09 # {"ypp2", "Samsung YP-P2", 0xb011, 0x20000000, 0x22e92010 }, 18.52.11 # {"ypk3", "Samsung YP-K3", 0xb021, 0x20000000, 0x62e92018 }, 18.52.13 # }; 18.52.15 # i need the last number 18.52.50 # Please, please do not paste large pastes to the channel 18.52.57 # sorry 18.53.33 # Use pastebin for things like scripts and code snippets. 18.53.37 # i tried using iaudio7 (it uses a chip based on arm 946es too) 18.53.44 # but it doesn't work 18.54.03 # That's because the iAUDIO 7 uses a different chip as well. 18.54.07 # It's a TCC771L. 18.54.11 # i know 18.54.32 # You need to add support for the x20 into tcctool in order for it to work. 18.54.34 # but it sais it's based on arm 946 es, just like the tcc8200 18.55.06 # that's why i'm asking for the memory configuration 18.55.38 # i want to add support but i don't know how to find out the last number in the list 18.56.27 # That's out of my range of expertise right now. :) 18.58.17 # do you know who may i ask? 19.00.47 # linuxstb and perhaps shotofadds could help, as they're both working on Telechips-based DAPs. 19.02.06 *** Alert Mode OFF 19.03.44 # ok..thanks 19.04.01 Quit keenox () 19.04.29 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.48 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 19.05.51 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.06.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.08.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7316.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.11.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Client Quit) 19.15.19 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e3d736e41336d301) 19.34.24 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofy@modemcable228.133-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 19.35.06 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.38.11 # should the ui simulator work under the vmware image? I find it crashes with a segmentation fault as soon as I try to play a media file to enter WPS. 19.40.34 # should == "is expected to", not a request :p 19.48.01 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 19.49.35 # PaulPosition: I have had the same problem before. The reason is because the vmware image is not set up to play audio or something like that. So the simulator crashes whenever audio is played. 19.50.28 # PaulPosition: If you search the Rockbox forums I think someone mentioned a fix for that problem. 19.51.59 # PaulPosition: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16060.msg120066#msg120066 19.57.42 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 20.02.02 # perrikwp - Thanks a whole lot, I'll have a look at that :) 20.02.31 # PaulPosition: your welcome 20.03.57 Join dusker [0] (n=dusker@128.187.202.0) 20.04.18 # so what is the status of rockbox on sansa v2 models like the sansa clip? 20.04.56 # the forum thread should say the current status 20.10.24 # perrikwp, did you see this Problems with audio playback in the simulator 20.10.25 # 'user' is not a member of the 'audio' group so it doesn't have permissions to access audio hardware. This causes the simulator to segfault when it tries to play back music. Running the following command as root fixes this: 20.10.25 # usermod -G audio use 20.11.24 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.12.34 # scorche|sh: which thread is that? 20.13.41 # dusker: the v2 thread in the new ports section 20.15.48 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.16.00 # thanks 20.16.01 Join ompaulafk [0] (n=ompaul@194.125.58.117) 20.16.03 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.16.08 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.16.14 Quit ompaulafk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.16.38 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.17.54 Join windowsrefund [0] (n=windowsr@helpdesk.247realmedia.com) 20.17.57 # greets 20.18.14 # so I'm trying to run ipodpatcher and I see this: 20.18.25 # [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. 20.18.29 # anything I can do? 20.18.37 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 20.19.00 Quit dusker ("Leaving") 20.19.00 # windowsrefund: Install the Apple firmware... 20.19.28 # windowsrefund: And what model of iPod do you have? 20.19.49 # 2Gb nano 20.19.54 # I don't have the apple fw 20.20.06 # windowsrefund: I'm guessing you've reformatted it completely for some reason? 20.20.13 # What OS are you using? 20.20.45 # yea I dd'd it to death 20.20.47 # heh 20.20.50 # I'm on GNU/Linux 20.20.59 # Do this - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore - then make sure the Apple firmware works. After that, you use ipodpatcher. 20.21.09 # ok, gonna check that out 20.21.38 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F618.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.21.51 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2145.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.23.25 Join cbut [0] (n=caleb@dyn129-100-177-36.wireless.uwo.ca) 20.23.37 # linuxstb, I'm looking at this firmware page.... 20.23.53 # does 1G stand for 1st Generation or 1 Gbyte? 20.24.26 # 1st generation. 20.24.41 # Is yours indeed a 1st generation nano? 20.24.55 Nick linuxstb is now known as gnulinuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.25.30 # yes it is 20.25.36 # read the note about the front/back 20.25.40 # the materials 20.25.40 Join michael1486 [0] (n=michael1@c-69-138-131-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.26.05 # ok so there are 2 1G nano firmwares 20.26.13 # guess I'll grab the latest 20.26.20 # is anyone working in 3g nano? 20.26.38 # the 2g nano hasn't been ported over yet 20.27.01 # same for the 3g...no one is currently working on it 20.27.15 Nick gnulinuxstb is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.27.31 # Same for the iPod classic... no one is working on it. 20.27.53 # I saw some progress here: http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ 20.28.09 # No further news after the "breakthrough" though 20.29.12 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B1621EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.29.28 # i got a 3g nano, could i give somone the firmware so they could start? 20.29.43 # wpyh: I remember when that "breakthrough" happened. 20.29.52 # michael1486: sadly it takes a great deal more than that, and i believe we already have a few dumps 20.30.11 # michael1486: And ports are not done on request. 20.30.12 Join nedd1 [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-16fd9dd9cb753f2a) 20.30.48 # LambdaCalculus37: was that really a breakthrough? 20.30.51 # can't you find where in the firmware it decrypts the firmware for itself to use? 20.31.18 # it really really really isnt that simple 20.31.20 # thats what you do to make keygens...it can't be too hard....... 20.31.21 # michael1486: Seriously, if it were that easy, there would be a port already. 20.31.45 # how were the other types decrypted? 20.32.04 # various ways...it depends on the device 20.32.28 # any ipod for example.... 20.32.31 # And many firmwares are not encrypted at all (but normally protected by checksums that need to be discovered) 20.32.45 # wow 20.32.55 # I guess I dd'd the right fw 20.32.58 # the previous ipods did not have the firmware encrypted...these new ones do 20.32.59 # it's working :) 20.33.07 # oh... 20.33.26 # windowsrefund: it just takes a bit of searching ;) 20.33.33 # michael1486: Plus, the hardware in these new iPods is all new, and completely different from the older iPod models. 20.33.40 # what kind of processor does it have. does it use asm? 20.34.00 # of course it does... 20.34.05 # my lcd shows that something is happening 20.34.13 # though now it just "do not disconnect" 20.34.27 # not sure if it's still building something or working some magic 20.34.31 # that is disk mode 20.34.43 # windowsrefund: did the ipod flash itself? 20.34.48 # A processor never uses asm. Asm is for programmer. A processor only knows machine instructions 20.34.51 # I think so wpyh 20.35.12 # OK 20.35.30 # And Rockbox is written almost entirely in C with only some assembler for platform-specific performance bits. 20.35.36 # what kind of machine instructions? couldent it be disassembled? 20.35.55 # windowsrefund: flashing has an apple logo with a progress bar underneath....the do not connect screen is just saying that it is connected to your computer essentially (in disk mode) 20.36.07 # ok so I think it completed then :) 20.36.13 # so it should workie 20.36.26 # I'm gonna be fearless and reboot it 20.36.29 # michael1486: really...if it was something simple, we would have done it by now 20.36.33 # somthing like hex? 20.36.47 # oh 20.36.50 # it's the apple stuff 20.36.58 # guess I should have realized that :) 20.37.05 # michael1486: What were you just told by scorche|sh? 20.37.06 # it cant be to complicated or it would slow down the processor. 20.37.09 # now I'll run the patcher 20.37.16 # Regarding encrypted firmwares - there are 2 possibilities to reverse engineer the encryption. (1) Get your hands on the decryption algorithm (the firmware needs to be decrypted before execution). (2) Figure out the algorithm, then try to find some flaws in it which allows to deive the key 20.37.53 # (1) is impossible in case of the new ipods, and (2) is very very difficult stuff 20.37.58 # amiconn: hasn't the decryption been done? I mean from the gna.org page 20.38.12 # The iTunes AES key is 8a9dad399fb014c131be611820d78895. This key is hard-coded somehow in iTunes. 20.38.14 # sweet :) 20.38.26 # michael1486: what's that? 20.38.29 # michael1486: that is itunes...has nothing to do with the apple firmware 20.38.37 # michael1486: PortalPlayer chips are ARM-based. Happy? 20.38.51 # http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/jason-rohrer/itms4all/ 20.39.01 # it could be the same.... 20.39.11 # Very unlikely... 20.39.22 # how could i try? 20.39.42 # what about brute forcing? i have 6 computers.... 20.39.54 # michael1486: do you also have a couple hundred years? 20.40.00 # michael1486: And a clue? 20.40.26 # michael1486: That link is for something that has absolutely nothing to do with the iPod firmware itself. 20.40.36 # From what I see, it's for the iTunes Music Store. 20.40.37 # i know its most likely aes.... 20.40.40 # i know 20.41.19 # but like passwords people tend to use the same thing over and over again.... 20.41.31 # Do you know about the RSA security contests? (withdrawm nowadays) 20.41.51 # Brute-forcing a 64 bit key took several years running on >30000 computers 20.42.02 # michael1486: don't know what's inside the 3g nano, but the 2g has a samsung s5l8700 CPU. The decryption code probably is in the 50kb rom inside the chip. Without being able to run any code I see no way we can dump it. 20.42.12 # what about rainbow tables? 20.42.31 # you could open a broken one.... 20.42.41 # or flash it... 20.42.44 # a broken cpu? 20.43.01 # no a broken ipod. 20.43.01 # Breaking a 128 bit key would take ~2*10^19 times of that 20.43.01 # it will not run unencrypted code of course 20.43.18 # so flashing will not help 20.43.31 # how else would it work? 20.44.12 # roms have to be computer code because thats all they know. but that code could decode the firmware.... 20.44.23 # the 50kb rom inside the s5l8700 contain unencrypted code of course, this bootloader then load the code from the NAND flash to RAM, decrypts it and runs it. 20.44.24 # The firmware is decrypted on boot, using a part of the firmware that's stored in the cpu's *internal* rom 20.44.42 # And the cpu is glued to the pcb and uses a bga package 20.44.43 Nick drf|away is now known as drfsupercenter (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 20.44.44 # what kind of ram? 20.44.50 # SDRAM 20.44.57 # couldent you read it manually? 20.45.01 # maybe it can be snooped? 20.45.04 # No chance to remove it from the board without completely destroying it 20.45.05 # yes, perhaps 20.45.20 # it is BGA, isnt it? 20.45.26 # there is always a way..... 20.45.40 # scorche: [20:44:46] ...and uses a bga package 20.45.59 # well, you were referring to "the cpu" there 20.46.13 # michael1486: of course there is always a way :) 20.46.32 # michael1486: Of course. But the problem seems to be that no-one with the skills and hardware to do it, has done it... Apart from the person/people at linux4nano.org 20.47.00 # what kind of hardware? 20.47.31 # Hardware to snoop memory buses, assuming they're physically available 20.47.42 # http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/iPod/iPod-Nano-3rd-Generation shows how to take it apart.... 20.48.46 # Another disadvantage of BGAs is that, once the package is soldered down, it is very difficult to look for soldering faults. X-ray machines and special microscopes have been developed to overcome this problem, but are expensive. If a BGA is found to be badly soldered, it can be removed in a rework station, which is a jig fitted with infrared lamp (or hot air), a thermocouple and a vacuum device for lifting the package. The BGA ca 20.48.46 # a new one, or can be refurbished or reballed. Packets of tiny ready-made solder balls are sold for this purpose. (WIKIPEDIA) 20.49.59 # Has anyone been able to connect a JTAG to a Sansa E200v2 ? I am deciding if tomorrow is a good day to solder cables onto my player. :) 20.50.15 # what's a JTAG 20.50.22 Part michael1486 20.50.29 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTAG 20.51.00 # amaldo: There has been some talk on the forum thread about the v2 port, but I'm not sure if anyone has succeeded. 20.51.22 # amaldo: But give it a shot if you're feeling brave. :) 20.51.51 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 20.51.51 # * linuxstb wishes he didn't have a job, so he could actually do some Rockbox hacking 20.52.14 # * scorche|sh wishes the same and looks over at the downtrodden themes site 20.52.58 # * LambdaCalculus37 wishes the same along with linuxstb and scorche|sh and looks at his poor, badly neglected Dell DJ calling out for a Rockbox port 20.54.04 # Looking at the forums, some have tried without sucess. A resistor might be missing, and it looks the same here, but I can't tell if a resistor was there and was later removed, or simply was never there. 20.58.07 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 21.02.34 Join michael1486 [0] (n=michael1@c-69-138-131-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 21.03.39 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7316.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.05.19 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 21.06.30 Quit windowsrefund (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.06.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.15.27 Part michael1486 21.19.35 # hi, i was just wondering: in order to test a bootloader on a target where it could potentially brick the device, wouldn't it be possible to load the bootloader binary form within rockbox to RAM and execute it from there? Or would this not work? 21.20.53 # You have to find some kind of a method to load the binary 21.20.54 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 21.20.58 # for example the iriver T10 project 21.21.28 # wpyh: i meant on a target where rockbox already runs 21.21.46 # http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/ 21.21.48 # Oh 21.24.38 # PaulJam_: Which device are you talking about? The H300? 21.24.52 # linuxstb: yes 21.25.46 # I don't know enough about how the h300 boots (and how the h300 bootloader works) to say... 21.32.35 # Has anyone analyzed the Flash ROM image on the iPod Video? 21.33.07 # linuxstb: The H300 bootloader would be more of LinusN's or petur's forte, right? 21.33.25 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.44 # LambdaCalculus37: I guess... Although other may know how it works 21.35.25 Join moos [0] (i=moos@m198.net81-66-127.noos.fr) 21.39.39 Part Buschel 21.44.48 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 21.44.51 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-240-219-159.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 21.45.40 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.47.12 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.50.33 Quit verbal () 21.54.03 # It's weird here 21.54.18 # ipodpatcher fails to read the AUPD image from my iPod Video 21.54.25 # it says "Decryption failed - checksum error" 21.54.27 # Any ideas? 21.56.19 Join arohtar [0] (n=faemir@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.58.06 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.59.02 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.04.30 Quit faemir (Nick collision from services.) 22.04.58 Quit arohtar (Client Quit) 22.05.13 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.14.46 # It's certainly quiet in here... 22.19.54 # Ssh. 22.20.37 # ... childs are sleeping :) 22.21.20 # I just want to ask whether anyone uses 5.5gen ipod videos here 22.21.25 # the UI is slow 22.21.36 # (I don't know whether that amounts to "sluggishness") 22.22.40 # * moos doesn't 22.24.47 # those people are around 22.25.16 # scorche: who do you mean by "those people"? 22.25.25 # those who use it 22.26.33 # you mean they are on this channel right now? 22.31.48 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 22.31.56 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 22.42.44 Join arohtar [0] (n=faemir@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.43.13 Quit cbut ("Lost terminal") 22.43.17 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 22.43.33 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.43.33 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.43.34 Quit nedd1 ("Leaving.") 22.43.40 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.46.37 Quit enginerd3 ("CGI:IRC") 22.47.16 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-414475.home.otenet.gr) 22.49.08 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.52.33 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 22.59.01 Join nedd1 [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-6579589371bfa83f) 23.06.27 Join Guest01 [0] (n=c2523aa2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-21593a6aff9fdc98) 23.06.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.06.50 # Hello people 23.08.05 # I was wondering if someone could help me, I've got a problem with my iPod-rockbox. 23.09.17 # Guest01: you'll have to tell us what the problem is... 23.11.03 # The problem is that the rockbox program can not recognize my iPod Video 80gb 23.11.36 # it is connected corectly in Disk Mode manually and iTunes can recognize it perfectly 23.12.45 # and you are absolutely sure it is an ipod video and not a classic? 23.12.46 # I can open it through My Computer and write files as well as delete with no problem, But rockbox and other similar 3rd party iPod hack programs can not seem to find any iPod connected to my PC 23.12.59 # Is it a 5.5G ipod (i.e. not the one sold as iPod Classic) ? 23.13.26 # I am pretty sure it is a 5.5G since it has the search option in music. 23.14.00 # How can I check that it is a 5.5G? 23.14.28 # Guest01, check here: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 23.15.16 # or here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 23.17.12 # okay yeah, I was mistaken it should be iPod classic 80G with Click Wheel and current software version 1.1.2 23.17.29 # That makes it a 5G or 5.5G? 23.17.34 # That makes it a 6G 23.18.16 # Ohh... sigh, so I can not use rockbox on 6G? 23.18.40 # unfortunately not 23.19.07 # Do you guys know any 3rd party programs to modify a 6G iPod? 23.19.25 # even if we did, it's offtopic here. 23.19.49 # if one existed, they would've broken the encryption 23.19.56 # alright, so I guess thats why the programs couldnt find any iPod connected... 23.20.25 Join webguest01 [0] (n=400c748c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eecf827485df8a88) 23.20.40 # join #rockbox 23.21.01 # bah damn, okay thanks guys for the info 23.24.47 Quit webguest01 (Client Quit) 23.27.55 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.35.30 Nick drfsupercenter is now known as drf|away (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 23.36.18 # Does the iPod Nano support recording? 23.37.39 # there should be a forum thread about that from back when we werent sure 23.37.52 # hm.. let's see 23.38.03 # So we are sure now? 23.38.56 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.39.30 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 23.41.50 Quit nedd1 (Connection timed out) 23.46.13 Quit flynux (Remote closed the connection) 23.46.15 Join flynux [0] (n=flynux@2a01:38:0:0:0:0:0:1) 23.47.40 # ok, found it in the forums 23.49.51 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.43) 23.58.34 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi)