--- Log for 16.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.09 # hfsplus: you can install a rockbox build instead of the bootloader (i.e. directly to the bootloader partition). But that makes updating much harder 00.02.34 # bluebrother: so its a better idea to just keep it for ease of updates and such? 00.02.58 # or, to be more precise: it's a bit more work as you can't use rbutil for that anymore and need to install the main binary to the firmware partition each time using ipodpatcher 00.03.25 # ahhh 00.03.30 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.03.54 # you could also build yourself a custom bootloader and remove the OF loading stuff 00.04.11 # hmmm yeah 00.04.20 # might be the nicer way as you still use the standard installation procedure for the build itself 00.04.33 Part LinusN 00.04.48 # disabling OF booting check should be a one liner. Or at least similar to one ;-) 00.04.54 # yeah, I shall look into that, it should be easy :) 00.05.25 # bluebrother: thanks 00.05.43 Join ipodnano1stgen [0] (n=ipodnano@189.154.10.234) 00.05.50 # hey 00.06.07 # ive got a problem 00.06.26 Quit ipodnano1stgen (Client Quit) 00.06.52 # problem but no patience it seems ... 00.07.03 # on the upside we no longer have a problem 00.07.20 # we never had one. Only ipodnano1stgen ;-) 00.13.10 Quit arohtar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.13 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-243-191.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.15.18 Quit DerDome (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.19 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.18.18 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.19.45 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 00.21.50 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.22.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C77.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.22.46 Nick hfsplus is now known as hfsplus|away (n=hfsplus@unaffiliated/hfsplus) 00.27.49 # bluebrother: It's also possible to install the rockbox bootloader instead of the OF 00.28.07 # This can be done with ipodpatcher and no other changes 00.30.22 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.30.52 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 00.31.59 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB04E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.36.28 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.36.59 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.38.58 # amiconn: you're right -- I even think I did that some time back 00.39.47 Quit bluebrother ("sleep") 00.43.00 Quit ender` (" Connection Reset by Gypsies with Wire Cutters") 00.43.31 Nick hfsplus|away is now known as hfsplus (n=hfsplus@unaffiliated/hfsplus) 00.46.40 # amiconn: would that make it so I could still easily update rockbox as well as not have the original firmware? 00.48.08 Join TheInfamousTim [0] (n=48c845d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb47c977cae57e94) 00.49.18 # hmm I found a rockbox ipod 5g bootloader with custom image that won't load the original firmware. It's a bug. lol but that could work for me :D 00.49.39 Quit dabujo_ (Connection timed out) 00.50.11 Quit dabujo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.43 # Can anyone help me with my iPod with color display (iPod Photo). It's the 40GB version and I have the latest firmware (1.2.1). It's formatted in Fat32 via windows as normal. The program functions fine, but the colors are all "low resolution" and distored looking. 00.53.00 # *distorted 00.53.57 # TheInfamousTim: there was some discussion about this problem a few hours ago, check the logs 00.55.17 # Will do. Thank you. :) 00.55.24 # would using a bootloader compiled in 2006 be bad, or has it not changed significantly? 00.55.58 # it wouldn't work 00.56.14 # ah okay 00.56.29 Quit joeblob ("leaving") 00.56.49 # basically, I'd like to replace the bootloader with just the rockbox firmware and never be able to use the original firmware again 00.57.06 # but I'm unsure how to specifically do that 00.57.16 # I found one bootload that'll do that, but its from 2006 00.58.17 # you'll probably have to edit the bootloader source code in /bootloader to disable the branch into the OF 00.59.00 # or at least change it to only activate when you've done some specific thing you know you won't do by accident 00.59.35 # yeah that was suggested earlier, but it was also suggested it was possible to just install only the rockbox loader. hm. I'll probably just wind up editing the source 01.00.06 # its just if I have the lock on and connect my ipod, the OF boots, and I *know* that'll drive me crazy. 01.02.38 Part leox ("Leaving") 01.04.41 Nick Seedy is now known as Seed (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 01.05.50 Quit Nico_P () 01.07.42 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.08.31 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.08.37 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.09.01 # finally managed to build cegcc 01.09.06 # what a pain in the ass 01.09.10 # hfsplus: The alternative is worse - booting an ipod into Rockbox with the hold switch on will reset your settings. 01.09.21 # o_O 01.09.28 # ahh.... yeah thatd suck 01.11.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.49 # But to do it, download ipodpatcher and the bootloader for your ipod from here - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ - and type "ipodpatcher -wf bootloader-ipodxxx.ipod". That replaces the Apple firmware with the Rockbox bootloader. 01.16.30 # allright. thanks for the info. I just need to decide if I want to risk wiping my settings, I suppose. hehe 01.16.54 # Alright, so, I'm a little confused. I found this comment. "Speaking of which, r17696 works." I tried to download that file, but I apologize, I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with it. 01.17.44 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 01.19.30 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.19.52 # TheInfamousTim: Exactly what file did you download? 01.20.40 # When it was downloaded it appeared as "list.c" 01.21.09 # you want rockbox revision 17696 01.21.33 # it sounds like you went and downloaded a piece of the source code, not the actual binary 01.22.29 # Whoops. Sorry. Lemme try that again. 01.23.07 # Why does everyone treat me like I'm insane for removing OS X and installing Linux? gah 01.23.31 # ack wrong chan. 01.27.19 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 01.27.58 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 01.28.09 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 01.31.57 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 01.33.54 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.45.39 Quit nuonguy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.49.12 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.20 # I installed Rockbox v.17696 and windows is telling me I need to format the ipod to work with windows. Is this normal? I'd hate to format and have to put all the music back on, but I'll do it if it's the only way. 01.53.14 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.54.46 Join ali_as_ [0] (n=ali_as@ambix.plus.com) 01.58.14 # TheInfamousTim, you need to reboot to the OF or disk mode, instructions for which are in the manual 01.58.49 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.242.172) 01.59.04 Part pixelma 02.00.23 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=1800dac6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) 02.00.55 Quit HEx (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.00.55 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.00.55 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.00.55 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.00.55 Quit BigBambi (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.00.58 # amiconn: Are you still here? 02.04.25 Join tinto098 [0] (n=479a05c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e43ca1605e9ccb4) 02.05.20 # i need help 02.05.24 # Phew. Thank you, krazykit. I had it in disk mode and it kept disconnecting/reconnecting. I turned it all the way off this time and rebooted and put it into disk mode and it worked. 02.05.41 # amiconn: For the record, I just found where the color issues start on my 4G iPod... right at r17715, when you committed the LCD code from iPL. 02.06.02 Quit ali_as (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.06.27 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.06.27 NJoin nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 02.06.27 NJoin BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.06.27 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@149.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) 02.06.27 NJoin HEx [0] (i=HEx@83-231-209-76.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 02.06.31 # my rock box wont play music 02.07.02 Quit HEx (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.07.02 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.07.02 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.07.02 Quit BigBambi (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.07.13 Quit tinto098 (Client Quit) 02.07.16 # * LambdaCalculus37 will catch amiconn later to speak to him 02.07.19 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.07.24 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@87.120.25.141) 02.07.25 NJoin HEx [0] (i=HEx@83-231-209-76.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 02.07.36 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@65.33.123.149) 02.07.49 NJoin BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 02.08.17 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.10.55 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.10.55 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.10.55 Quit TheInfamousTim (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.10.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.10.55 Quit jhMikeS (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.13.11 Join csc`` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 02.13.27 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.14.04 Quit MethoS_ (No route to host) 02.15.33 Nick csc`` is now known as csc` (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 02.15.50 Join darkslategrey [0] (n=chatzill@pool-151-197-111-39.phil.east.verizon.net) 02.15.51 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.16.27 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@65.33.123.149) 02.16.27 NJoin nplus [0] (n=nplus@87.120.25.141) 02.16.27 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C77.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.16.27 NJoin jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.17.40 Quit jhMikeS (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.17.40 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.17.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.17.40 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.17.40 # hey i have a bunch of roms and wads and stuff i added to rockbox 02.18.07 # and my question is, when i update will it overwrite those files and if so how can i prevent this 02.18.13 # short of offloading the files and reloading them 02.18.42 # rockbox only overwrites its own files, nothing else 02.19.47 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@65.33.123.149) 02.19.47 NJoin nplus [0] (n=nplus@87.120.25.141) 02.19.47 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C77.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.19.47 NJoin jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.21.22 # okay thanks 02.21.28 Part darkslategrey 02.21.32 Quit jhMikeS (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.21.32 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.21.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.21.32 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.22.20 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@65.33.123.149) 02.22.20 NJoin nplus [0] (n=nplus@87.120.25.141) 02.22.20 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C77.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.22.20 NJoin jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.23.09 Quit jhMikeS (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.23.09 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.23.09 Quit miepchen^schlaf (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.23.09 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.23.37 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@65.33.123.149) 02.23.37 NJoin nplus [0] (n=nplus@87.120.25.141) 02.23.37 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C77.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.23.37 NJoin jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.28.32 Quit csc` (Remote closed the connection) 02.28.46 Join tapiocapudding [0] (n=chatzill@pool-151-197-111-39.phil.east.verizon.net) 02.28.57 # okay i had a quick afterthought after i left 02.29.33 # by "it's own files" do you mean any default system files, like the actual firmware, plugins, codecs and so on, or everything in the .rockbox directory 02.29.49 # if the person who previously answered my question left 02.30.04 # my original question was whether or not updating with the rockbox utility 02.30.18 # would overwrite any roms and wads i had on the ipod 02.31.02 # nvm i gotta go, i'll find out the hard way 02.31.05 Quit tapiocapudding ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 02.34.22 Part hfsplus 02.40.52 Quit jhMikeS (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.40.52 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.40.52 Quit z35 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.40.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.40.52 Quit nplus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.42.20 # arg, stupid sim crashed last night, I used xkill to close it but it apparently didnt get the whole process, didnt realise why the cpu fan was so noisy untill I opened top and rockboxui is there at 100% cpu for the last 12 hours :( 02.43.09 # 7815 jonno 20 0 185m 14m 3220 S 100 0.7 736:04.07 rockboxui 02.43.20 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.43.20 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@65.33.123.149) 02.43.20 NJoin nplus [0] (n=nplus@87.120.25.141) 02.43.20 NJoin miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C77.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.43.20 NJoin jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.44.40 # saratoga: I don't know if this can help but you can have a look at this for the windows CE build : http://www.christian-heffner.de/index.php?page=news&lang=en 02.53.05 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 03.02.51 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 03.11.12 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.11.44 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 03.11.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.16.39 # toffe82: I saw your message about the board. 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03.33.24 # JdGordon: well, it would essentially replace the PLAYBACK_VOICE tests and just be all voice code 03.33.48 # whats the point? cut down bin size? 03.33.54 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.33.54 NJoin nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.33.54 NJoin ali_as_ [0] (n=ali_as@ambix.plus.com) 03.33.54 NJoin blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 03.33.54 NJoin krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-251-246-73.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 03.33.54 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-75-16-157-33.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 03.33.54 NJoin EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 03.33.54 NJoin Egil [0] (i=egil@nygaard.ping.uio.no) 03.33.54 NJoin FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.33.54 NJoin scorche|sh [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.33.54 NJoin w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 03.33.54 NJoin maraz_ [0] (i=maraz@xob.kapsi.fi) 03.33.54 NJoin daywalker [0] (n=daywalke@ip-77-87-189-6.dnspower.de) 03.34.52 # that could be one such use...some people like removing certain things as well....i think it may have been pondlife's idea originally and he did PLAYBACK_VOICE before too 03.35.00 # like i siad...it would just be an extension of that 03.35.06 # 09:35:34 pondlife I added PLAYBACK_VOICE to try and help modularise playback.c.... 03.35.34 # ah, if its to try and get more sense into playback.c then I'm all for it :) 03.35.57 # i wont use it for that, but others might 03.36.11 # HAVE_TAGCACHE is used for lots of other reasons as well now 03.36.40 # alot? 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The kernel driver doesn't do that. 07.29.15 # And your commit of the IPL code made all type 0 LCDs behave that way... 07.41.53 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-222-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.51.26 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 07.51.33 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 07.51.35 # linuxstb: Hmm. Then it would probably make sense to try and decipher what these bytes do. 07.51.48 # Perhaps we can find out how to set the opposite byte order 07.51.59 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 07.52.27 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 07.52.54 # * amiconn doesn't understand why ipl doesn't just have one, proper lcd driver in the kernel 07.52.55 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-143.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 08.07.57 # * amiconn would really like to have access to such an ipod photo 08.08.12 Quit gevaerts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.11.15 Join daszweiten [0] (i=rhp@ip70-174-136-10.dc.dc.cox.net) 08.11.22 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 08.13.35 Nick daszweiten is now known as stoneheng (i=rhp@ip70-174-136-10.dc.dc.cox.net) 08.14.10 Nick stoneheng is now known as st0neheng (i=rhp@ip70-174-136-10.dc.dc.cox.net) 08.20.22 Quit st0neheng ("Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.9/2008031312]") 08.21.02 # Hmm. My conclusion is that ipl is backward 08.21.30 # The colour issue in ipl occured with the apple firmware update 1.1 08.22.17 # ...and the driver in ipl byte-swaps for lcd type 0. The code they added for fixing the colour issue on type 0 with firmware 1.1 restores the old behaviour that requires byte swapping 08.22.43 # Iiuc that means apple switched byte order for type 0 in 1.1 to bring it in line with lcd type 1 08.23.04 # Hence, 1.1 should have the correct lcd type 0 init sequence for us 08.23.15 # I'm wondering if it's just simple byte-swapping, or if the LCD is being set to BGR mode (in which case the IPL hotdog driver will be wrong, but maybe no-one has noticed...) 08.24.50 # Hence my wish to have access to such a thing... 08.25.20 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.27.56 # I would expect that the forum user could fix his issue with 2 steps. (1) We need to revert that fix from ipl. (2) He needs to upgrade his OF to 1.1, then reinstall rockbox 08.29.46 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.31.38 # It would be good to have a ROM dump from both before and the OF upgrade 08.31.52 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCD61.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.34.42 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 08.40.51 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 08.43.56 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.48.16 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.50.14 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.52.55 # amiconn: At least for now, I hope the user doesn't upgrade his OF... 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I'm not sure actually, what is a clean reboot? 10.18.00 # is it holding play to shut down and then boot again? 10.18.03 # yes 10.18.04 # or is it the emergency reboot? 10.18.12 # no, not the emergency reboot 10.18.20 # ok, I always do that (shut down, then reboot) 10.18.34 # * GodEater is glad he doesn't use the database 10.18.41 # and sometimes I re-initialize the database, then shut down, then reboot 10.18.57 # I watch the database being committed, then in the end I only see some of the files, not all 10.19.18 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 10.21.32 # Is it always the same files? Do you get some files shown as "untagged" ? 10.21.58 # seems like it only affects new files 10.22.17 # sometimes after initializing, rebooting, initializing again, then reboot again, the songs show up 10.22.24 # and yes, I do get some files 10.23.09 # what do you use to tag them with ? And what sort of files are they ? 10.23.26 # And what sort of tags? 10.23.32 # mp3 files, and please don't ask me how I tagged them ') 10.23.33 # ;) 10.23.41 # (I don't mind the tags being gone) 10.23.50 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.191.226) 10.24.05 # well if you don't tell us how you tagged them, we can't possibly know what might have gone wrong... 10.24.28 # Or at least what kind of tags you're using... 10.24.40 # (id3v1, id3v2, APE, ...) 10.25.05 # are you thinking that the tag parser might have choked on the tags and then skipped the rest of the tags? 10.26.01 # * linuxstb doesn't have enough information to think yet 10.26.57 # gist of info in PM from wpyh : He hasn't tagged the files at all, and hasn't investigated what tags they might have already. So this is a pointless discussion. 10.27.26 # not so pointless, I think 10.27.39 # database uses tags... 10.27.39 # of course it's pointless - we have no info from you to go on 10.27.40 # because now what I've done is 10.28.18 # 1) put some new files 2) reinitialize db 3) reboot, see only 22 songs 4) reinitialize db 5) reboot, see 28 songs 10.28.40 # previously I have 22 songs, before I put the new files, and I put 8 more 10.29.04 # and? How does this help us track down the problem ? 10.29.15 # I don't mind the entries, but the problem is, after I initialize the db a second time, it finds all the files 10.29.18 # uh.. 10.29.26 # I'll try de-tagging the files and see ;) 10.29.35 # 22 + 8 is 30... 10.29.37 # 22 + 8 does not = 28 10.29.49 # uh, I mean 6 10.29.50 # :p 10.30.01 # * wpyh is stupid today because of the exam tomorrow 10.30.34 # wpyh: More useful would be to keep your files as they are, and track down the bug... 10.31.04 # linuxstb: I keep an archive of those files, so it should be ok 10.31.18 # People often report these kinds of problems, but then "fix" it by removing/changing tags, rather than finding the real cause. 10.31.37 # hm... may be a problem with tags, then 10.31.41 # I'll do a control experiment 10.31.43 # :D 10.32.09 # Another possible cause is a corrupt filesystem... 10.32.41 # um... maybe, because fsck.vfat tells me I have a wrong free cluster count 10.37.55 Quit Zom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.38.22 # ok, now I've removed all the music from the ipod 10.38.31 # then I reinitialized the db 10.38.56 # when I checked it (by pressing SELECT on Database in the main menu), it says "Building database ... 402 found" 10.39.05 # that was 5 minutes ago 10.39.10 # now it still says the same thing 10.39.16 # any ideas? 10.41.28 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 10.41.34 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 10.41.47 # yes, the database doesn't cope with no music files at all 10.41.59 # uh... I didn't know this 10.42.07 # is this a known bug or a known WONTFIX? 10.43.02 # IMO that's a bug but only some know that, I really need to get around opening a bug report for it (or in case you want to do that... ;) ) 10.43.16 # well, let's open one 10.43.23 Quit Addicted ("Server does not respond.") 10.43.28 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@reactos/tester/Zom) 10.43.37 # at least I checked last week and didn't find a related task 10.43.45 Join Addicted [0] (i=fnode@78.47.129.147) 10.44.45 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf40@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e261055316b53ee5) 10.45.34 # the "xxx" found was a bit higher than what the "stats" plugin told me about the files (altogether) currently present on the target I tested with 10.45.44 # when I tested last week 10.47.33 # well, the db found 402 tracks, but the stats plugin says 363 files and 38 dirs (363+38=401, so maybe the other one added was the root?) 10.48.19 # sorry, it didn't say tracks but just "402 found" 10.49.33 Quit Zom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.49.45 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-79-136-43-44.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) 10.51.13 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 10.53.10 # that calculation works for me too (628 files, 38 directories = "666", database says "667 found" - got a few text files, additional WPSs, stuff like that) 10.54.03 # so maybe the database is counting files and dirs in total? 10.58.27 # OK, I've added task 9093 for that 10.58.38 # (the database hangs if no music file found) 11.01.05 Quit homielowe () 11.01.22 # I don't think it's important what it counts, and thanks :) 11.01.53 # you're welcome :) 11.02.15 # maybe we can enhance it by saying "xxx files and yyy directories found" 11.07.42 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 11.09.45 Quit PaulJam (".") 11.11.12 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3043.gwdg.de) 11.12.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.22 Quit Zom (Connection timed out) 11.15.02 # I'd want it to say "No music files found, aborting" or some such and then abort the process alone 11.18.14 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.18.18 # pixelma: hmm, i really need to fix that :) and maybe change it to count music files only (counting files and directories was initially used because if dircache is enabled, we could display some sort of progress information in percents) 11.18.49 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e009dac94c851fc2) 11.18.51 # pixelma: yes, that's what should happen if the database initialization doesn't find any music files in the end 11.19.18 # well, we can do it like "xxx files (zzz music files) and yyy directories found" 11.19.24 # Slasheri: ah good, now there's a bug report for it... ;) 11.19.51 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@reactos/tester/Zom) 11.24.53 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.27.05 Join Zbuben [0] (n=cninucci@i03v-87-89-94-126.d4.club-internet.fr) 11.29.53 Quit Hidden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.33.30 # Also, when we initialize the database, it would be better if it's done in the foreground 11.36.37 # wpyh: it is done in background (you can close the info screen), and doing init from db submenu, it always goes into background 11.36.59 # yes, it's currently done in the background 11.37.11 # what I'm suggesting is, move it to the foreground 11.37.27 # And add a progress bar :) 11.37.52 # ups 11.38.21 # hmm, going to the db browser doesn't bring it to foreground? 11.38.32 # well, it does 11.38.45 # only the info box part though 11.38.53 # I mean the message box part 11.39.04 # what I'd like is a full screen progress bar 11.39.20 # so the user waits until it finishes 11.40.32 # a real progress bar counting only music files is practically impossible to do because of technical limitations 11.40.58 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.41.20 # um... technical limitations? 11.41.38 # maybe just use the "working" progress bar from the delete/copy folder screens? 11.42.09 # wpyh: you would have to probe and scan all files on the disk before displaying the progress bar, and that would just slowdown the progress 11.42.31 # If it doesn't find any music files, it should just say, "No music files found" or something like that IMO. 11.42.31 # but if dircache is initialized, it is possible to display the progress somewhat accurately (debug screen does that atm) 11.42.47 # JdGordon: wasn't that the one you disabled? 11.43.03 # we can get the total size of files on disk, then as we read each file, we mark that size as "scanned" 11.43.06 # how about that? 11.43.17 # wpyh: And an enforced foreground scan would be very annoying 11.43.18 # and btw. I don't want a forced foreground scan 11.43.30 # pixelma: I dont remember disabling it... 11.43.43 # we can make the foreground scan optional :) 11.43.53 # hooray 11.43.53 # not another pojntless option 11.44.03 # not pointless... 11.44.12 # Just do it as now - background, try to go into database menu and it shows you progress 11.44.38 # wpyh: pretty pointless as it can be done another, better way (IMO) 11.44.43 # wpyh: and you shouldn't have to reinitialize the db normally, ever 11.44.52 # wpyh: just enable load to ram and autoupdate 11.45.00 # I think we can make this an option in the database, so it wont clutter up the settings 11.45.10 # It wouls still clutter settings 11.45.21 # No matter where you put it 11.45.38 # JdGordon: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17654 ? 11.45.39 # is there a better way to do this, without setting an option? 11.45.48 # BigBambi Just do it as now - background, try to go into database menu and it shows you progress 11.45.55 # BigBambi: it would be localized to the database I think 11.45.58 # wpyh: reading the filesize isnt quick... 11.46.40 # wpyh: It would still appear in the menu system, just under the database sub menu 11.46.40 # Slasheri: that didn't work in my case, but maybe that's a separate bug 11.47.14 # wpyh: what was the issue? that has never in a long time failed for me on my H140 11.47.18 # BigBambi: yeah, found it now... at least it won't clutter up the rest of the system 11.47.22 # :p 11.47.30 # Slasheri: it doesn't find new music files I added 11.47.36 # wpyh: the correct way is not the re-initialize the db 11.48.03 # wpyh: and you tried the update or had autoupdate enabled, and rebooted once/twice after adding files? 11.48.11 # Slasheri: any chance you'll have some time to maybe split tagcache.c up into smaller managable parts sometime? 11.48.24 # JdGordon: maybe, sometime :) 11.48.27 # Slasheri: after adding files the ipod automatically reboots 11.48.33 # wpyh: I still don't get what you mean - it is in the menu, it cannot help but be in the menu? 11.48.49 # wpyh: ok, then you have to wait until disk shuts of and reboot again 11.49.08 # BigBambi: I mean, I found the database settings menu now -- I didn't realize it's inside the main settings menu 11.49.15 # wpyh: then the files should appear (unless you had dircache and/or db in ram enabled, a reboot might not be needed at all) 11.49.31 # Slasheri: that's not intuitive 11.49.41 # * BigBambi suggests looking how it is currently done before suggesting changes 11.49.42 # what do you mean? 11.50.23 # Slasheri: I mean that if I have to reboot again after adding files, that's not intuitive... 11.50.54 # It is if it tells you to 11.50.55 # BigBambi: are you talking about the database foreground progress option, or the other one? we have a few threads here.. :P 11.50.58 # wpyh: well, there isn't much to do for that because of the rockbox design of not doing dynamic memory allocations 11.51.05 # wpyh: In general 11.51.14 # wpyh: just enabled dircache and db in ram and please try again 11.51.19 # thanks for the advice though 11.51.40 # ok 11.52.23 # if you are mainly using the db, you should have at least db loaded in ram and autoupdate enabled 11.52.52 # and dircache would be prefered too 11.53.29 # ok.. 11.58.46 # Hi, I'm looking for a method/tool/anything that can perform the usb-boot mode (like tcctool does for windows) for linux... I didn't find anything like this in manuals and faqs (maybe I'm not good for docs :$). Any Idea ? 11.59.48 # tcctool ? 11.59.54 # tcctool is for linux (too) 12.00.20 # B4gder: oh ? I did'nt find any binary or source for it ? 12.00.31 # the source is in the rockbox svn 12.00.57 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/utils/tcctool/ 12.01.10 # ok, I gonna download this ! thanks a lot ! 12.01.29 # ( wonderful ! ) 12.03.55 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 12.07.47 # cool, I can boot in usb mode :) that works. thanks. 12.11.13 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.11.35 # Zbuben: Out of curiousity, where did you find a Windows binary, but no source? That's infringing tcctool's license. 12.13.36 # linuxstb: on the rockbox's web server, I think that's not a problem ;) 12.14.16 # Whereabouts? 12.14.26 # in utils directory 12.14.34 # http://download.rockbox.org/utils/tcctool/ 12.15.10 # * linuxstb downloads the zip and realises he's infringing the GPL... 12.15.18 # How did you find that file? 12.15.20 # linuxstb: why? 12.15.36 # wpyh: I'm not offering the source code, or including a copy of the GPL 12.15.59 # linuxstb: google gives me this: http://haxx.rockbox.org/utils/tcctool/ 12.16.12 # * gevaerts_ points out that the source is also on http://download.rockbox.org/ somewhere, so it comes down to 'how near should the source be' 12.16.26 # hmm I don't remember where I found this link :$ 12.16.32 # The copy of the GPL is different of course 12.16.43 # ah, I always forgot the "offer a copy of the GPL part" 12.16.45 # s/is different/is a different issue/ 12.16.47 # * Zbuben seeks in his browser's history 12.16.47 # * linuxstb writes himself a stern email and promises to fix it 12.18.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonIaudio7Info <-- I have found the tcctool's name here and then .. google I think. 12.19.37 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.19.40 # Zbuben: OK, thanks. 12.20.21 # Zbuben: Are you planning on working on a Rockbox port, or do you need tcctool to try and recover a device? 12.21.39 # My device works perfectly (maybe not for a long time :$) 12.21.52 # I plan to watch if I can understand something .. 12.22.03 # and if I can, maybe work on a port 12.22.07 # Which device? 12.22.13 # cowon iaudio7 12.23.12 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 12.23.32 # OK. There is some very early work on an iaudio 6/7 port in SVN, but it doesn't do anything interesting. What's needed is someone to continue disassembling the original firmware and write an LCD driver... 12.24.17 # I think I'am not skilled for this type of work :$, I'll give a try 12.24.43 # (If you find my english strange, maybe this is because I'm french :$) 12.25.10 # Your English is less strange than many native English speakers that come here... 12.25.37 # O_o, amazing. 12.25.40 # * Zbuben is proud ! 12.26.01 # * gevaerts_ points out that 'speakers' might be overestimating some of them 12.26.24 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-143.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 12.26.33 # * BigBambi is saddened by the English of a lot of native speakers 12.33.24 Quit SUSaiyan` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.33.54 # * JdGordon fail english? thats unpossiple 12.34.12 # is the h300/h100 and the x5/m5 the only targets with a lcd remote? 12.34.58 Quit faemir ("quit.") 12.35.34 # hmm... how is the m3 remote handled? does its remote have buttons? 12.38.02 # sure - all Iaudio targets have the same remote but IIRC it's handled as main display on the M3 12.38.24 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.38.43 # does the remote buttons flip correctly if the display is flipped? 12.39.09 # * JdGordon for some reason got the urge to fix a 2 year old request :p 12.39.18 # * Zbuben disassembled the 1.17 firmware... what a big mess O_o 12.39.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.40.02 # JdGordon: no idea 13.03.53 Join Hidden [0] (i=piglet@centaur.sch.bme.hu) 13.08.50 Quit J (Remote closed the connection) 13.11.05 Quit petur ("work->home") 13.11.31 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/dce.html 13.12.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.13.41 # B4gder: Now a rockbox plugin... 13.15.57 # it needs to be in the wps! 13.16.28 # A chance for you to display plugin output in the wps then ;) 13.16.43 # finally I got the chance! 13.16.54 # You have 11 days, 4hrs left... 13.19.39 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21855.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.22.52 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p.de") 13.33.48 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-056.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 13.37.34 Join seablue [0] (n=s@0x535c13cc.banxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 13.37.43 Quit seablue (Client Quit) 13.41.30 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 13.42.50 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 13.47.47 # * linuxstb notices the flyspray admin and politely points Zagor to this nice blank page - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ 13.48.18 # yikes. has it been like that for long? 13.48.28 # A while I think... 13.48.39 # Zagor: since linux updated php I think 13.49.25 # * wpyh wonders why no one responded when he asked about it a few days ago 13.49.56 # * wpyh thinks it must be because he didn't know the right person to talk to 13.50.11 # s/linux/linus/ 13.52.21 # wpyh: or simply noone was around that knew 13.53.03 # yeah, maybe 13.53.18 # and I thought it was not a bug so no one responded... 13.58.47 Quit Miles (Remote closed the connection) 13.58.50 Join Miles_ [0] (i=[U2FsdGV@65.98.26.250) 14.00.41 Quit mrkiko_ ("leaving") 14.03.49 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB275B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.07.44 Quit audijack_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.11.00 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.23.44 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.23.52 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-156-84.area2.spcsdns.net) 14.26.04 # I've got a small suggestion here 14.26.17 # How about we add "reboot" and "shutdown" to the System menu? 14.26.40 # * gevaerts hands wpyh a flame-proof suit 14.29.06 # wpyh: There's a patch on flyspray that does exactly that... 14.30.13 # thanks, gevaerts 14.30.25 # * wpyh now has two flame-proof suit from gevaerts! 14.31.15 # hm... 14.31.32 Join dabujo_ [0] (i=xx@p4FDB3580.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.31.52 # linuxstb: so the reason it's not included is because it doesn't compile cleanly? 14.32.19 # and a lot of people don't want it 14.33.00 # wpyh: The argument against it is that it clutters up the menu with things you can already do. 14.34.03 # * wpyh thinks holding down the menu button gives another menu which options can be achieved / set through the main menu 14.34.26 # actually my argument for it is that I don't like holding down a button for so long 14.34.46 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3178.gwdg.de) 14.37.03 # but you would like pressing a button to get to the menu, then pressing another one a few times and then another one again better to achieve the same thing? 14.37.15 # yes 14.37.30 # that's the effect I want to achieve 14.37.47 # I don't like holding buttons down 14.38.09 # You could also just set the auto poweroff to something short, and just pause and wait 14.38.17 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.197) 14.38.43 # I guess I don't like the waiting time 14.38.59 # even if it's just a few seconds, as in the case of holding down the play button on the ipod 14.39.31 # for the auto poweroff, well sometimes I just leave it on the table and expect it to be on, so.. that's not an option for me :p 14.40.52 # you're free to to customise your own build then 14.41.09 # but it's a pretty unpopular feature here, so unlikely to go into svn 14.42.53 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.43.07 # btw, here's another thread for Buschel, saratoga, et. al. who wants to optimize codecs and algorithms: I've tested the ipod video with the CF card, and RB gets 21:30 while the OF gets somewhere between 22:00 and 23:00 (missed the shutdown time) 14.43.35 # so there's at most 10% difference between RB and the OF, which most likely is due to the codec 14.43.48 # Same music ? 14.44.10 # GodEater: yes, I can do that but I also want it in the official build if possible 14.44.28 # GodEater: is there some kind of a compromise that can be achieved? 14.44.33 # gevaerts: yes, same music 14.44.53 # not necessarily same order though, but it shouldn't matter much because it's just over an hour IIRC 14.45.30 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 14.46.32 # wpyh: I don't see how there can be a compromise, it's either in Rockbox or it's not 14.46.51 # I certainly don't want to see it on any of my DAPS 14.47.51 # GodEater: what I mean about the compromise is that we get this feature somewhere, but not in the current shape 14.48.16 # it can't be put anywhere but somewhere in the menus, which are already over crowded with features 14.48.35 Quit dabujo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.48.36 # A plugin ? 14.48.48 # yes, another option to turn the feature on? ;o 14.48.48 # * gevaerts hides 14.48.52 # In the System menu? 14.48.54 # the only way I can see round *that* is to have customisable menus, which is another NODO as far as most devs / support people are 14.48.58 # +concerned 14.49.03 # IMO we can try to unclutter the menus, and then add this somewhere in the menu 14.49.28 # gevaerts: come out ;) I think a plugin is OK (if technically feasible) but would be better in the menu 14.49.32 # * GodEater votes firmly for "no thanks" 14.49.37 # I like it n the system menu 14.49.47 Quit dabujo_ (Connection timed out) 14.49.50 # s/ n / in 14.50.05 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB35BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.50.31 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 14.50.36 # it already is in one of the target's menu (the Archos Player) because you can't shut it down gracefully in another way but I don't want it in a menu 14.50.58 # on other targets, of course 14.51.45 # well, for example we can move the sleep timer from the System menu to the Settings menu, then put Shutdown in its place 14.51.59 # No thanks 14.52.11 # and I also prefer holding a button for a bit longer than having to navigate through the menus and/or button combos (which aren't even possible everywhere) 14.52.23 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.24 Join psychoic [0] (n=chatzill@d60-65-115-234.col.wideopenwest.com) 14.52.29 Quit Horscht (Client Quit) 14.52.49 # pixelma: navigating through the menus is always possible everywhere, I think 14.52.54 # wpyh: you're far from the first person to want this, I suspect you also won't be the last - but you're not going to change our minds. 14.53.06 # wpyh: I meant button combos (in general) 14.53.38 # GodEater: that's why I'm looking for a compromise ;) 14.53.47 # * gevaerts hopes that wpyh appreciates his new flame-proof suit ;) 14.53.48 # pixelma: oh, ok.. 14.54.00 # * wpyh doesn't feel hot right now 14.54.05 Join zarraza_is_back [0] (i=zarraza_@78-62-11-221.static.zebra.lt) 14.54.08 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.54.36 # there *isn't* a compromise - we don't want it in the menus anywhere 14.55.11 # because it's cluttered enough? 14.56.05 # not just that, it's a pain in the arse to have to navigate the menus to turn off your system 14.56.37 # I do understand the cluttered argument 14.56.43 # can someone learn me how to get paypal acc and paswords? 14.57.01 # * GodEater sits down to watch the kick 14.57.08 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f78ae0a9882a8b0f) 14.57.27 # But if you say it's a pain in the arse to have to navigate the menus to turn off the system, then you can ignore that menu item 14.58.08 # wpyh: you're wasting your time, I'm not going to be convinced 14.58.11 # It just won't bother you 14.58.38 # Well, I do understand that some people have opinions 14.59.03 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 14.59.26 # And sometimes it can be hard to change one's opinion, even with a compromise 14.59.32 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 14.59.48 # But I'm also seeking others' opinions here :) 14.59.50 # GodEater: What harm would those option do in the "system" menu? 15.00.41 # option creep for something that we don't need, more changes to the manual, more queries from users getting confused about what they do that's different to the current way of powering off 15.01.01 # binsize creep 15.01.20 # I'm sure I can think of more 15.01.43 # GodEater: I see that some of your concerns are valid, though some can be addressed 15.02.35 # linuxstb: and the Player would have it twice then? Or moved into a submenu which is harder to reach? 15.03.02 # The option creep: Yes, I can understand that, seeing how the Sound Settings menu is littered with Channel Configuration, Stereo width, Crossfeed... 15.03.26 # The changes to the manual: I will volunteer to implement the changes so you guys can just sit back and relax :) 15.03.38 # pixelma: We could leave it where it is for the Player... I don't really care about this feature, but wouldn't object to it going in the system menu. 15.03.59 # Queries from users getting confused: if they ask it, then the manual is not written well enough, let me edit it some more 15.04.11 # wpyh: you assume that users have read the manual 15.04.15 # they often haven't 15.04.34 # * wpyh hasn't read the manual in its entirety either 15.04.41 # I rest my case then 15.04.55 # * gevaerts only tries to read the manual on days that it's actually broken 15.05.05 # I guess it's similar to Windows 15.05.07 # GodEater: Which is an argument for features being accessible via both the menus and button combinations though 15.05.20 # although I almost don't use windows 15.05.55 # two ways to turn off the computer: 1. Start Menu -> Shutdown 2. Press the power button on the casing 15.06.03 # in which case shouldn't dual booting also be an option ? 15.07.00 # I think that it should be. 15.07.41 # why? Do you also want a boot menu? 15.07.44 # * GodEater gapes at LambdaCalculus37 15.08.06 # On the topic of dual booting: for us passionate RB users, a dual boot option is not necessary. But for most users trying out RB, it's needed -- they are still attached to the OF 15.08.08 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 15.08.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 just realized that what he mentioned was for another channel... :P 15.08.36 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 15.08.37 # In case I offend anyone -- I'm trying to be pragmatic, not idealist 15.08.44 # GodEater: Sorry. Gotta stop flicking back and forth between channels so much. ;) 15.09.27 # GodEater: "Start original firmware" could be an option under System... 15.10.08 # * pixelma can hear the creeping 15.10.25 # linuxstb: do you mean that menu item would reboot the device and boot into the OF? 15.10.44 # Yes 15.10.49 # * linuxstb requests a suit from gevaerts 15.10.57 # Can't RoLo on the Archos devices already boot an OF, or am I mistaken? 15.11.18 # Yes, but not many devices can rolo the OF. 15.11.21 # "Start original firmware" shouldn't be an option in a rockbox menu 15.11.25 # it can but it's not in a menu 15.11.27 Part stooo 15.11.30 # linuxstb: that would be a good idea 15.11.49 # * gevaerts thinks that linuxstb has been here long enough to know in advance when he will need a suit ;) 15.11.53 # * LambdaCalculus37 can hear the sound of feature creep drumming up beside him 15.12.07 # * JdGordon doubts that 15.12.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.25 # no new features have been added in *ages* 15.12.35 # LambdaCalculus37: do you use DSP on that sound ? 15.12.52 # JdGordon: so you mean all the different options were added long ago? 15.12.58 # JdGordon: That's not true - we now have an md5 checker ;) 15.12.58 # gevaerts: I use a wide stereo width on that sound. :) 15.13.06 # And pegbox. :) 15.13.20 # linuxstb: and before that? 15.13.31 # * JdGordon for one likes feature "creep" 15.13.54 # * gevaerts thinks that plugins don't count, or at least count differently 15.13.58 # * amiconn thinks that 'start OF' would be a particularly bad feature 15.14.12 # * JdGordon agrees with both the above 2 statements 15.14.23 # Besides that it's not reliably doable 15.14.30 Part LinusN 15.14.42 # why isnt it doable? 15.14.49 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 15.14.52 # Well I guess there are two problems here: 1. menu cluttering, which needs to be addressed, and 2. feature creep 15.15.00 # and I think they are different problems 15.15.06 # amiconn: yeah, why not? 15.15.09 # JdGordon: You would have to confirm the OF is available in whatever location the bootloader looks for it. 15.15.16 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 15.15.23 # JdGordon: Not *reliably* doable. One reason is e.g. if there is no OF (user removed it) 15.15.38 # arg, misread reliably as really 15.15.43 # * JdGordon is tipsy 15.15.50 # Also the devices that don't dual boot to begin with (e.g. X5, Gigabeat F) 15.16.03 # LambdaCalculus37: Then they would obviously not have that option... 15.16.08 # amiconn: if the user removes the OF then tries to start the OF from within RB, then he/she is stupid IMO 15.16.25 # I wouldnt object to the shutdown in menu going in, but can see it being a bitpointess.. 15.16.26 # JdGordon: do you also like booting times like the sansa OF (assuming it's as bad on the e200 as it is on the c200? 15.16.40 # Another reason is that we leave the hardware in a state that the OF may not expect 15.16.53 # pixelma: ? 15.17.10 # gevarets: you mean by jumping to the start of the OF? 15.17.42 # I think we may be able to get with resetting all registers and then jumping to that code 15.17.45 # JdGordon: more and more features could add up (though I don't know how Sandisk managed this long booting times) 15.17.57 # or just set a bit in the BL that gets reset upon the next boot 15.18.43 # pixelma: I agree. The Sansa OF boot times are too damn long. 15.19.03 # * gevaerts also doesn't see why we should make it that easy to get to the OF. The goal is to be as good or better than the OF for all features... 15.19.20 # pixelma: bot time depends on the init seqence... you can have a million features with no init time and it will be just as fast as 3 features with big init times... 15.19.32 # JdGordon: and another thing - are you going to document features you add? :\ 15.19.40 # gevaerts: being better than the OF doesn't necessarily mean the user won't like the OF more. especially new users 15.19.41 # dircache and tagcache are the big ones.. and both are done in the background.. so no, start times is not an issue 15.19.49 # pixelma: would you really like me to? :D 15.20.10 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 15.20.54 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.21.01 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 15.21.04 Quit faemir ("quit.") 15.21.11 # wpyh: does that mean that we should encourage them to stay in the OF ? 15.21.33 # JdGordon: well better than nothing and the wiki pages you wrote if found some time weren't that bad... 15.21.47 # No. rather, that means we give them an easy way to use the OF in case they don't like RB 15.21.55 # Not everyone likes RB, you know 15.22.01 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-156-84.area2.spcsdns.net) 15.22.15 # wpyh: well they should! 15.22.35 # JdGordon: ideally, they should. in reality, they don't always 15.22.48 # * LambdaCalculus37 shows wpyh the cricket bat we like to use on Rockbox haters :) 15.23.25 # wpyh: I think uninstalling is easy, or? ;) 15.23.25 # * wpyh likes it but thinks it should be used sparingly ;) 15.23.39 # let me be a bit theoretical here... 15.24.12 # the current situation: some users would say "you can install RB, but if you don't like it you have to uninstall it first to easily boot the OF" 15.24.37 # well, they can certainly also say "if you install RB and don't like it, it's easy to uninstall it and get the OF back" 15.24.46 # so there are two likely responses from users 15.25.07 # wpyh: And in certain cases, it's dead easy to remove. For example, on the iPods, simply uninstalling the bootloader will prevent Rockbox from booting. 15.25.17 # but if we add that option, then the users would say "you can install RB, and if you want to switch back to the OF you can always do so from a menu item" 15.25.34 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 15.25.41 # And most devices already have a dual boot feature. 15.26.00 # wpyh: Really, rockbox should be graceful when a user tries stupid things. It should definitely not crash. Besides The user trying to boot the OF might not be the same one who removed the OF from the device 15.26.48 # * wpyh thinks amiconn has a point 15.27.07 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 15.27.21 Part stooo 15.36.35 # amiconn: Why would Rockbox crash? 15.37.15 # linuxstb: because it jumps to a nonexistent location, or because we left the hardware in a weird state (to the OF)? 15.37.57 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-161-174.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.38.17 # wpyh: If the OF fails to start, then the feature is buggy and wouldn't be enabled on that target. But all dual-booting targets can start the OF. 15.38.29 # Either with "rolo", or via the bootloader. 15.38.48 # And both do sanity checks and fail cleanly. 15.39.44 # * linuxstb isn't interested in this feature enough to actually implement it though... 15.40.09 # linuxstb: sorry, I mean a nonexistent OF, rather than a nonexisten location... 15.40.28 # I didn't know the BL fails gracefully though 15.40.30 # If it doesn't exist, Rockbox wouldn't try to use it. 15.41.17 # well, if we can address these possibilities, then I think that menu item is good to have 15.41.25 # even if it's just from a PR point of view 15.42.07 # I'd rather have a more user-friendly bootloader 15.42.41 # gevaerts: That's another reason I would like a menu option to start the OF - so we can keep the bootloader as it is... 15.42.49 # well, I don't oppose that suggestion as well 15.43.07 # although it seems pretty clear that my vote either doesn't count -- or doesn't get counted 15.43.08 # :p 15.43.28 # linuxstb: my reasoning is that adding things to the bootloader doesn't bloat the main binary. Of course there are other issues as well then 15.43.45 # gevaerts: How would you make the bootloader friendlier, without slowing it down? 15.44.12 # linuxstb: that's "other issues" ;) 15.45.12 # speaking of which.... does anyone think it would be good if the bootloader could pass its version to rockbox? and if so... can somsone do it at the devcon to coincide with the fresh round of bootloader builds? 15.45.38 # * amiconn deems the rockbox bootloader a ton more user friendly than stuff like loader 2 15.46.14 # Why bother the user with a menu? Quick boot has absolute priority imo. Booting something else than rockbox is a rare condition. 15.46.39 # amiconn: Personally, I agree. But many users request a boot menu... 15.46.46 Join Kaboose [0] (n=c1bc69e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f678e615f11b9505) 15.47.12 # and that boot menu or any other ability to easily boot the OF will be good for PR 15.47.13 # I agree as well. I must admit that I didn't think of boot time when I proposed this 15.47.21 # And it's not nice to say to people "use loader2 but don't dare ask us how". 15.47.30 Join Toast [0] (n=c1bc69e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7f20377d78c914b4) 15.47.48 # haiya 15.48.05 # wpyh: usability should win over PR any time 15.48.33 # how do i make my album art show with themes? 15.48.36 # I think it won't hurt usability if we implement it correctly 15.48.36 # wpyh: PR is the least of it. 15.48.49 # im using Slant theme, and may art is all named ''folder'' 15.49.05 # Toast: This page has album art information: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 15.49.35 # thanks 15.49.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 does his Public Service Announcment 15.49.55 # Remember kids, reading is fundamental! 15.50.09 # :) 15.50.20 # * LambdaCalculus37 is done 15.50.47 Quit zarraza_is_back () 15.51.12 # too bad jpeg album art isnt supported, converting them isnt worth it 15.51.56 # Toast: jpeg is lossless, IMO 15.52.16 # wpyh: Wrong. JPEG is lossy. 15.52.28 # Toast: Well, that's your choice, of course. 15.52.29 # uhhhhhhhhhhhh 15.52.35 # sorry, I mean jpeg is lossy 15.52.37 # doesnt matter, i just like it eyecandy anyway, can live without it 15.52.42 # I'm off-form today 15.54.17 Quit Toast ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.55.18 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.58.21 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 15.59.52 Join BlakeJohnson87 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-156-84.area2.spcsdns.net) 15.59.52 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.01.13 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 16.02.29 Join dabujo_ [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2F2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.03.22 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.06.32 Quit dabujo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.07.10 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB30AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.09.36 Quit Kaboose ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.13.20 Quit BlakeJohnson87 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.57 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-156-84.area2.spcsdns.net) 16.14.38 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 16.18.08 Join pikkoyoul [0] (n=pikkoyou@85.183.145.201) 16.22.18 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.38.145) 16.22.57 Quit dabujo_ (Connection timed out) 16.24.59 # hi... i have a problem 16.25.06 # i am using rockbox on an ipod nano 16.25.11 # it works quite well 16.25.31 # but i have a problem that whenever i delete files, they are not deleted from the database 16.25.39 # i tried initialise now and update now 16.25.47 # nothing happens 16.27.46 # pikkoyoul: you could try to delete the database files from the .rockbox folder and then rebuild it 16.28.57 # i don?t see any rockbox folder (using macosx) 16.29.26 # It's ".rockbox" (with a leading dot), meaning Mac OS X will treat it as hidden and not show it by default. 16.30.54 # how can i make it visible 16.30.57 # But shouldn't "initialise now" delete the existing database and build a new one? 16.31.12 # i.e. it should do what you want. 16.31.31 # linuxstb: yes, sounds like a bug if it doesn't work anyway 16.32.03 # it says updating in background 16.32.07 # how long does it take 16.32.29 # enter : "defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE" in a terminal window in OSX 16.32.44 # and then "killall Finder" 16.32.52 # this will make all files starting with a "." visible 16.34.21 # pikkoyoul: Depends on how many files you have, but maybe a couple of minutes. 16.34.41 # ah ok 16.34.44 # it is working 16.34.52 Quit maddler (Remote closed the connection) 16.34.53 # next time first wait then ask 16.34.57 # :) 16.34.57 # thx alot :) 16.35.03 # no problem 16.35.17 # everythings a bit crowded... 16.35.36 # i deleted all itunes files and am now filling the player manually 16.36.20 # pikkoyoul: what version of rockbox do you use? the bug that required to delete the databasefiles manually should have been fixed a few days ago. 16.38.05 # mhm i dunno 16.38.08 # i used the installer 16.38.13 # but i had to use it with windows 16.38.31 # because there seems to be a bug in the macosx version because of the build in unzipper 16.38.32 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-107.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.38.35 # you mean you've not updated it recently ? 16.38.40 # today 16.39.00 # i could install the bootloader via mac 16.39.13 # but for rockbox itself i had to use windows 16.39.55 Quit psychoic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.38 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 16.44.42 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 16.47.18 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy17.netz.sbs.de) 16.49.22 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 16.53.40 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.54.29 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-156-84.area2.spcsdns.net) 16.55.53 # pikkoyoul: Have you tried Rockbox Utility? 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I believe it's dependent on the font size, or do you mean the progress bar? 18.18.41 # * linuxstb reads the CustomWPS and sees that the peakmeter height isn't adjustable 18.20.17 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 18.20.59 # how dos the size change. does it automatically change on how big the screen is? 18.21.33 # No, as pixelma said, it takes the equivalent of one line of text 18.22.33 Join scorche|sh [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 18.22.37 # You can change the width by using a viewport to display it, but the height is the current font height. 18.23.17 # okay thanks linuxstb 18.23.47 Quit jac0b|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.25.38 Join fleischwunde [0] (n=508878f8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4aa826f66edab569) 18.29.53 Part B4gder 18.30.51 Quit ender` (" NOTICE: Thank you for noticing this new notice. Your noticing it has been noted. And will be reported to the authorities.") 18.34.05 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 18.40.21 # domonoky: how is your student doing? 18.41.03 # scorche: its going forward, but i am not fully satisfied.. 18.41.15 # domonoky: ...yes? 18.41.27 # and could you get him to put a wiki page up about his progress? 18.41.39 # (with periodical updates) 18.41.39 Quit fleischwunde ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.41.41 # he has 3 weeks to prove that he is worth the money :-) 18.41.58 # i will prod him again with the wiki.. 18.42.21 # what is going on? 18.42.37 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 18.42.39 Join tapiocapudding [0] (n=chatzill@208.248.14.207) 18.42.44 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.42.48 # hey is there a way to change the rockbox boot logo? 18.42.57 Quit DaCapn () 18.42.59 # he is working on extracting rockboxs WPS code into a lib, but he hasnt done too much work... 18.43.49 # tapiocapudding: only by changing code and recompiling rockbox.. 18.44.10 # okay thanks 18.44.15 # * tapiocapudding needs to learn c 18.44.29 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-203-210.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.45.49 # domonoky: oh..nevermind about the wiki page thing...i got him confused with LinusN's student 18.46.02 Part tapiocapudding ("bye, thanks for the help") 18.46.51 # although i would like to get a general template down for all students so we can more easily see progress 18.46.58 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 18.47.07 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@005-033-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.47.43 # jeah a template for our students would be nice.. 18.48.01 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.48.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6618.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.49.01 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 18.51.06 # domonoky: You should also encourage him to come here and ask for help, or simply talk about what he's doing... 18.51.56 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.52.09 # will do.. 18.52.13 # * scorche|sh thinks students make it much harder on themselves by not being in here 18.53.25 # domonoky: Does your student still have upcoming exams, or have they finished now? 18.53.46 # i am not sure, will have to ask again.. 18.55.02 Quit csc` ("As a precautionary measure for the preservation of hamsters, do NOT put them in the microwave...*poof*") 18.55.03 # how have you guys been communicating?...and often? 18.56.26 # i talk to him once or twice a week via icq or mail.. i would like contac more often, but it seems not possible for him.. 18.58.45 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 19.00.55 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p.de") 19.01.59 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 19.09.06 Join domonoky1 [0] (n=Domonoky@g228003062.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.09.10 Quit csc` ("As a precautionary measure for the preservation of hamsters, do NOT put them in the microwave...*poof*") 19.09.36 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 19.10.33 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3c980@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d79456a2e773a29b) 19.11.03 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 19.12.04 Quit bertrik ("bye") 19.12.11 # Just for the log (I know that my opinion doesn't matter though): I'm in favour of adding the entry for "Shut down" to the system menu and against adding the entry to start the OF (no matter where). 19.12.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.28 # My reasoning: the user shoul never get to a "dead end", i.e. a situation where she can't do further via GUI. This is like web pages: there should always be at least one link to go further. 19.16.42 # fml: I don't understand... Are you saying that starting the OF is a dead end? 19.17.14 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-135-53.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.19.27 # linuxstb: no, the dead end is when there is no entry for shut down. "Start OF" shouldn't be there IMHO since it's another world, it's not rockbox anymore. 19.19.28 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 19.21.48 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.23.59 Quit nplus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.24.26 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.24.28 Quit domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.25.15 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@85.72.191.226) 19.27.40 # Just had a hard lockup when the last track in a playlist ran out of buffered data :/ 19.28.37 # To clarify, the disk was spinning, and the backliight thread was running (i.e. keys would bring it back on), but the UI was not responding to keypresses. 19.28.47 # fml: How is not having a shut down option a dead end? 19.31.12 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 19.31.17 Join Seedy [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 19.31.23 # pondlife: I think I've seen a recent report of this in the forum too. 19.31.34 # Yes, there's a Flyspray report somewhere 19.32.03 # Seems to be a problem when buffering has to kick in right at the end of a playlist. 19.32.20 # How "right at the end"? 19.32.22 # Probably a deadlock between buffering and audio threads? 19.32.41 # About 1 minute to go 19.32.46 # MP3, nothing fancy 19.33.08 # I assume it was buffering purely because the disk had spun up when I checked. 19.34.52 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 19.37.38 # hola 19.38.25 # pondlife: I've seen the issue too a few times (on my c200 as well as M5) but nothing to find a recipe to reproduce 19.39.56 # Llorean: I mean, once you're in rockbox, you should be able to do everything via menu. The exception is turning the device on (there's no menu at that point) but once it's there... Of course there can also be a shortcut (long press or such) but IMHO it should also be doable via menu. 19.40.21 Quit Anakin (Connection timed out) 19.40.23 # I think the MS Windows designer put the shutdown option into the menu not without a reason. 19.41.40 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.163.252) 19.42.20 # fml: Who says it isn't doable by a menu? I know *I* can turn my player off by pressing the right button while on a menu entry. It just happens to be *any* menu entry, rather than just one.. 19.42.32 Quit nplus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.42.34 # The shutdown option in windows is VERY different. 19.43.10 Join mib_pbs2yuh5 [0] (i=d8ef4980@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-438c1fa7012557d6) 19.43.21 # In windows you have many different programs running, and it more or less wants to have them terminate "nicely" rather than simply cutting power. 19.43.54 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 19.44.00 # Llorean: what you describe is not the normal menu operating. 19.44.56 # Llorean: in windows, it would also be possible to initiate the shut down process by pressing a button (and not via menu). But they decided to make it available via menu as well. 19.45.08 # I.e. via normal menu operating 19.45.46 # Hi all. I'm getting errors in lcd-16bit.c when trying to compile the Sansa c100 bootloader as a ccolour target. Specifically: "implicit declaration of the function LCD_RGBPACK". Any leads? 19.46.21 # MarcGuay, is that you? 19.46.24 # Llorean: what you describe is shutting down *while in* menu but not *via* menu 19.46.28 Nick mib_pbs2yuh5 is now known as MarcGuay (i=d8ef4980@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-438c1fa7012557d6) 19.46.34 # LambdaCalculus37: thanks. 19.46.37 # How'd I guess? :) 19.46.38 # LambdaCalculus37: :) 19.47.47 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.47.52 # MarcGuay: I figure that the c100 may need its own LCD driver to be written before it can do anything. But linuxstb or shotofadds would be the guys to ask on that. 19.49.28 # LambdaCalculus37: Yeah it's in the works. I'm just trying to get it compile as a colour target now, I think I previously made a bad assumption about mono/colour differences. 19.50.45 # Ahh. 19.51.08 # Better get that camera ready for the teaser shots of the bootloader running on the c100. :) 19.51.49 # LambdaCalculus37: What's that expression about simple addition and chickens again? 19.52.31 # MarcGuay: Oh damn, I forgot. :P 19.52.48 # fml: In normal windows it was not always possible to shut down via a button. It depended on the hardware of your PC for a long time. 19.52.55 # By the way, have you been able to run any custom code on the c100 yet? 19.53.15 # fml: And what is the real difference between "Via a menu" and "while in a menu"? Just that you have to have your cursor in a different place, and press a different button? It's _slower_ and clutters the screen. 19.53.47 # LambdaCalculus37: If "custom" means a bunch of weird colours and corrupted fonts displaying the GPIOs, then yes. 19.53.59 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@80-44-101-7.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.54.13 # MarcGuay: what's LCD_PIXELFORMAT set to in your config-c100.h? 19.55.23 # shotofadds: RGB565 19.55.38 # Llorean: I agree that it's slower and I personally would use the old way. But having a menu entry for this makes the UI complete IMHO. The UI should be able to "guide" the user till the dap is shut off (with visible means). 19.55.41 # shotofadds: Though I must say I just copied it from another file. 19.56.01 # fml: There are many functions that don't have menu buttons. 19.56.09 # Play/Pause, Stop, FF/RW, etc. 19.56.15 # shotofadds: I just removed the #define LCD_PIXELFORMAT VERTICAL_PACKING line left-over from the m200 file and it compiled. 19.56.44 # Iuuc, iPod also has it (I don't own an iPod myself, so I'm not sure) And I'm sure the fols at Apple have put much time and energy into UI design. 19.56.45 # well, RGB565 should work. lcd.h defines the LCD_RGBPACK macro based on the pixel format. maybe you just needed to do a clean build or something? 19.56.57 # ..and HAVE_LCD_COLOR is defined? 19.57.55 # passing no comment on whether it should be there or not, Apple has it is not itself a reason IMO 19.58.13 # shotofadds: Yessir. And now I've got the same screen as before but what was "mono" (blue/black) before is now much more colourful. :) 19.58.40 # Llorean: I knew you would say that :-) I also asked myself and came up with the answer that those are special cases for a dap since those actions usually have dedicated buttons. But I understand that this reasoning isn't as strict as a mathematical proof. 19.58.43 # which screen is that? junk pixels? 19.59.11 # fml: Power usually has a dedicated button too. 19.59.26 # In fact on some of our players there's a hard-power off that circumvents Rockbox. 19.59.55 # shotofadds: Yep. The top third is rainbow-junk-pixels, the middle third is green "text" on black background, and I can see the "this is a long line to test scrolling" string moving (but it's illegible), along with some 20.00.03 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.00.20 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 20.00.35 # shotofadds: other stuff that must be the GPIO dusplays... And the bottom third is a sort of 4x4 colour corruption thing. Helpful? 20.00.43 # *displays 20.00.46 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 20.00.46 # not really :p 20.01.17 # shotofadds: didn't think so. at least it's making it to the LCD, now it's just a matter of fine tuning it. 20.01.50 # I'm not sure what that tells us, really. I'm not that well-versed in these things, unfortunately. 20.01.50 # Llorean: I know (to both of your sentences). But since switching off is not used that much (compared to play/stop/ff/rew) it's only need to turn the device on and can be used for other purposes afterwards. That it can also switch the dap off could be just a convenience. 20.02.31 # MarcGuay: maybe you should just try careful poking different combinations to figure out exactly what output/color each written combo shows 20.02.58 # fml: I think a menu option is just a convenience. I don't see how a lack of it is a "dead end" at all. 20.03.32 # You could very easily think of the power button as enabling/disabling the hardware, and Rockbox is just always running when the hardware is. 20.04.17 # Bagder: Good idea. Although the real problem seems to lie with the LCD driver/init, no? 20.04.44 # Llorean: because otherwise you have to know that there is that button press. You have to know about the menu entry as well but you have at least a chance to find it. It's harder to find out that there's the button press (unless you've read the manual of course). 20.04.57 # quite possibly, but if you ie try filling the frame buffer with a fixed value, how that shows might offer some clues 20.05.40 # fml: How did you turn it on without knowing about the power button? 20.05.59 # LambdaCalculus37: you have a m200 v1 with NAND hardware, right? could you try a quick test for me? 20.06.22 # this patch _might_ display the NAND chip id in the bootloader: http://pastebin.ca/1048650 20.06.30 # I get zeros here on my v3 20.06.43 # Llorean: my point is that the button is (strictly speaking) needed for turning on only. 20.06.52 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 20.07.39 # But I see that not many are interested in this feature. I'd probably not use it much as well but (as I said above) it would make the UI complete. 20.08.02 # MarcGuay: post your config-c100.h and lcd driver and I'll have a quick look for anything obvious later 20.09.13 # linuxstb, BigBambi: that bootloader patch is worth trying on the DAX/ATMT jobbies, too 20.09.19 # * shotofadds is off for some food 20.09.43 # shotofadds: OK, but for the moment I can't boot from USB with the nand attached 20.09.55 # It needs to wait until I get a new soldering iron :) 20.12.09 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 20.14.08 Part Llorean 20.19.49 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B0337CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.24.49 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21855.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.25.51 # shotofadds: I can get the patch but have to wait till tonight. 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I'm not sure why - it's literally just 'svn diff bootloader/telechips.c > m200-nand.diff' 21.21.06 # shotofadds: Want to post it to Flyspray, and I'll go fetch it from there? 21.22.21 # Perhaps copying from pastebin to Notepad2 on my end is screwing something up, and I don't get why. I *know* I'm setting the line endings to Unix (CF) in Notepad2 before I save the patch. 21.24.07 # Maybe you could try just pasting the lines into telechips.c? It's quite simple 21.24.23 # I could try. :) 21.24.38 # shotofadds: Are you using Cygwin? 21.24.58 # Llorean: no, VMware 21.30.39 # amiconn: Looks like we have another user with the same LCD driver problems that I had: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17257.0 21.30.56 # r17714 was the last SVN build I found to not have that problem. 21.32.12 # ok bigbambi its apart, is there anything specific i should look for? 21.33.01 # I've not looked in a H10 myself, but I'd check for hard disk and battery connections, and for battery swelling etc 21.33.28 # H10 peeps - does it use an on-disk bootloader? 21.33.30 # im stumped on what it could be all connections were fine battery dosent look swelled at all 21.33.37 # hmmmm 21.34.35 # i know that the iriver bootloader is on flash, and that is never removed, and the rockbox bootloader is on disk because on the h10 the instalation dosent touch the flash 21.36.02 # delorean90: The best guy to ask about the H10 would be barrywardell, but he isn't around right now. 21.36.26 # delorean90: I'm even more confused that the disk seems gone but the bootloader remains then 21.36.55 # maybe its just certain corrupt sectors? 21.36.55 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.38.145) 21.37.11 # but that wouldnt explain why nothing at all shows up 21.38.35 # delorean90: Yeah, seems odd 21.40.40 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.41.58 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21.42.01 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.42.33 # shotofadds: around? 21.42.51 # preglow: sure 21.43.17 # shotofadds: have you found the interrupt handler in of? 21.44.08 # would it help if i put a quick vid on youtube of what happens? 21.44.35 # yeah, wait a sec and I'll get you some directions... 21.48.12 # preglow: ok, from the start... follow the last BL in the sequence of 4/5 at 0x200000d4. That routine sets up some memory regions - the third(?) block has a destination to address of 0x0 in R1. That block is for the ARM926 vectors, including IRQ/FIQ handlers 21.49.24 # shotofadds: stellar, thanks 21.49.38 # glad to be of service :) 21.49.46 # LambdaCalculus37: there was a thought on the Ipod Color issue by linuxstb_ in the other thread - did you read that? 21.50.13 # pixelma: Let me go see. 21.50.16 # maybe you could help testing 21.50.20 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 21.51.52 # pixelma: This? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg127519#msg127519 21.52.48 # I shall do so when I get home. 21.53.07 # If it successfully works, I'll post a patch to Flyspray. 21.55.18 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16319B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.56.21 # shotofadds: Can you post your patch to FS? 21.57.27 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 21.57.29 # LambdaCalculus37: yes, meant exactly that 21.58.07 # pixelma: And so shall it be done! :) 21.58.55 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes home 21.58.58 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.58.58 # LambdaCalculus37: I didn't really want to as I thought FS was meant for patches that have some intention of getting into the main build. give me 2 minutes and I'll sort you out with something... 21.59.07 # ah. 22.00.11 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.03.31 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 22.04.57 Join BlakeJohnson87 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-13-156-84.area2.spcsdns.net) 22.04.57 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.09.19 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 22.14.56 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-200-155.dsl.scarlet.be) 22.21.29 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 22.22.13 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p.de") 22.22.37 Quit pabs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.38.50 # outch, when I perform a make clean in svn imported tree, it wipes out some directories like rockbox/firmware :) 22.39.07 # Well, you shouldn't be doing "make clean" in the root source directory 22.39.16 # You should only be doing it in the separate build folder you've made 22.39.42 # ok, I tried to buid in the root directory, fast and dirty fashion :$ 22.39.54 # You should read the directions on the wiki. 22.40.14 # I read it, I also read that it was possibe to build in the root directory 22.40.56 # I gonna build my on tar.gz archive to prevent re-downloads :$ 22.41.00 # own* 22.41.11 # Zbuben: use svn! 22.41.23 # that's what I do actually :) 22.41.32 # and mkdir a build dir to build in... 22.41.39 # yes 22.41.52 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 22.43.32 # I'm using debian-flat.vmdk image with qemu... It works good, but the driver "vmware" in XF86Config-4.. If you're interressed in, for qemu, the correct driver is "cirrus" 22.43.40 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 22.47.53 # shotofadds: weird, it seems to handle all cases of exception the same, apart from fiq and irq 22.48.04 # shotofadds: ever seen what retailos does when it gets exceptioned? :> 22.50.47 # preglow: I did wonder about that. that code eventually jumps to PC & 0xF0000000, which will be a reset to 0x20000000. 22.51.27 # so it just starts again 22.52.49 Join KevinClift [0] (n=0ca3a19a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ca624d53c1cdb86d) 22.52.53 # looks like it - although I've seen forum reports of poeple seeing a register-dump screen. who knows :/ 22.53.47 # Zbuben: feel free to add the information to the wiki :) 22.54.40 Quit GodEater_ ("Leaving") 22.55.06 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 22.57.04 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB12EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.58.26 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.59.18 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 23.01.06 # I go to put this in additional tips 23.02.06 # bluebrother: I'm currently reviewing and completing plugin button tables in the manual. Now I saw a small problem in the one for the Ipods in Rockboy where the touch wheel is used as touch pad... 23.02.27 # I'd like to describe the different controls somewhere (but where?) and also mention the "area" one has to press (but how to call it and should I add new button defines in the platform files or just write it down in the rockboy.tex?). Do you have an idea? 23.03.40 # also start and the calling the menu are still usual button presses 23.04.36 # because it's "select" 23.06.33 # pixelma: I think it's sufficient to opt the pad for Ipods 23.08.27 Quit KevinClift ("CGI:IRC") 23.08.30 Quit Reinhart_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.10.52 Quit delorean90 () 23.12.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.13 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.15.07 # bluebrother: I registered myself on rockbox' twiki, but I have'nt access for modifications.. I must pass some tests or rituals ? :$ 23.17.13 # only the ritual of telling your wiki name and promising not to spam :) 23.17.50 # My wikiname is ZbuBen and I promise not to spam. 23.17.51 # yes, the register page should tell you, also something about the name you register under... 23.18.20 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.18.34 # well, I assume this is your real name? 23.19.09 # my real name is Christophe NINUCCI :$ 23.19.29 # errr ... you read that we accept real names only as wiki names? 23.19.34 # :$ 23.19.38 # ok, I destroy my account. 23.20.30 # just create a new one with your real name. I'll add you to the people allowed editing afterwards. 23.20.39 # ok 23.20.52 Quit pondlife ("Leaving.") 23.25.04 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.25.18 # registration done with ChristopheNINUCCI as wikiname 23.26.23 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 23.27.03 # * bluebrother wonders why french guys always scream their last names and goes fixing the edit list once more 23.27.16 # Zbuben: ok, you should now be able to edit wiki pages. 23.27.51 # welcome to the wonderful world of Rockbox :) 23.28.09 # * gevaerts goes to sleep 23.28.12 # Good night @! 23.29.12 # thanks :) 23.29.59 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 23.30.17 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.34.36 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.36.33 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 23.39.32 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 23.41.21 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 23.44.17 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-200-169-25.area2.spcsdns.net) 23.45.12 Join BlakeJohnson88 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-200-169-25.area2.spcsdns.net) 23.45.12 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.45.12 Quit BlakeJohnson87 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.47.10 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.47.23 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.09 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.50.47 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.53.53 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.55.10 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@f053152168.adsl.alicedsl.de)