--- Log for 18.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.09 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.01.47 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-144.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.02.05 Quit matsl ("Riece/3.1.2 XEmacs/21.5-b28 (fuki, linux)") 00.05.49 Quit lawsuit (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.13 Join lawsuit [0] (n=vain@adsl-75-45-219-32.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 00.06.38 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.07.50 Quit MethoS- (No route to host) 00.07.50 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-29-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) 00.09.29 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-144.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.09.39 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.11.18 Quit pixelma (" kicking router") 00.15.43 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 00.17.09 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.19.13 Quit MethoS__ (No route to host) 00.21.02 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.22.01 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.26.28 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.27.33 Quit knittl ("-- visit http://myftphp.sf.net") 00.32.04 Quit dabujo (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.33.38 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.43.32 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-144.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.44.06 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.45.10 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.45.14 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.46.02 Quit ender` (" Some people have one of those days. 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But you may certainly be right :) 02.34.40 # Buschel: And, what do you mean by "RB can switch off the power supply"? Do you mean the HDD or the sleep mode in the OF? If the latter, then no, I didn't sleep while testing, it was a straight run. 02.35.57 # Buschel: again, I'm no expert on the codecs, but if our codec is already almost optimum, then the large portion would be DMA and the power registers (you know, like what we did a few weeks ago) 02.36.45 # scorche: you wanted to say something? :-\ 02.36.56 # wpyh: i was waiting for you to :) 02.37.19 # oh :p well, I've got pretty slow fingers here 02.37.29 # * wpyh goes to study for exams 02.38.11 Part wpyh 02.39.24 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.43.14 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.43.28 # nowdirect.com replied saying they do have the item available (it is 1-4 wks for them to get it, but they can get it). So does someone want to buy and ship one to me and I'll pay you back through Paypal? Pretty please? 02.43.53 # the item being a 160GB ZIF disk (HS160JB) 02.46.50 # cool_walking_: So they refuse to ship outside the US? 02.47.02 # yeah 02.47.14 # d'oh forgot to mention that.. 02.50.01 # $165 is a nice price - less than I paid for my 80GB drive... 02.53.54 # Yep, my 100GB was around that. 02.55.23 # What device do you want to put it in? 02.56.19 # Gigabeat S 03.05.23 Quit csc` ("10-23: Never forget") 03.12.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.19.05 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 03.21.01 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 03.23.00 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d187086.adsl.hansenet.de) 03.23.37 Quit _vertic23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.23.43 Part pixelma 03.32.25 Quit leachim6 (Connection timed out) 03.38.27 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.48.29 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9675163313acedbd) 03.49.08 Quit neddy1 (Remote closed the connection) 03.51.12 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.53.59 # aloha 03.54.53 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-117.nycap.res.rr.com) 04.01.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.07.21 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.12.14 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 04.16.29 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 04.32.45 # any tricks to getting a sansa e200r mounting under linux so i can install rockbox? 04.34.19 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7177.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.36.25 Quit toffe82 ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 04.41.57 # wastrel, you have to set it to rhapsody mode in the usb settings 04.45.16 # secret hacker tricks 04.46.36 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.48.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 04.58.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0ab795684af4b8a) 04.59.37 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 05.03.06 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-37-118-187.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 05.09.21 # thanks krazykit that works for mounting the device on regular boot but i am still not mounting in manufacturing mode 05.09.43 # There's no partition to mount in manufacturing mode. 05.09.53 # Just follow the directions as written. 05.11.52 # Llorean: yeah, the patch program isn't seeing the device 05.12.19 # Are you running it as root? 05.12.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.15.30 # nosir, not doing it as root 05.17.25 # lovely. i think i needed help with every step of the process 05.17.30 # humbling 05.21.58 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.22.00 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.22.13 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 05.29.27 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.34.29 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.39.50 Join BlakeJohnson87 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-160-122.area2.spcsdns.net) 05.44.17 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable097.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 05.49.00 Quit Horschti ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.52.56 Join basetwo [0] (n=basetwo@c-69-244-17-154.hsd1.al.comcast.net) 05.54.35 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 05.54.45 # well thanks for the help i'm going to go read the manual now 05.54.49 # rockbox <3 05.55.16 # is there an onboard manual ? 05.55.21 # that would be an interesting plugin :] 05.56.39 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.57.29 Join mib_dvkt5wg0 [0] (i=d8ef4e6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4679b5d154f221cd) 05.57.41 Nick mib_dvkt5wg0 is now known as MarcGuay (i=d8ef4e6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4679b5d154f221cd) 05.57.49 # wastrel, well, you could get the html and convert it to text ;) 05.58.54 Quit basetwo ("Leaving") 05.59.17 # Has anyone ever used a ZIF-to-IDE adapter in an iAudio X5L? Curious what the potential is... 06.02.56 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 06.02.57 # can't boot original firmware 06.05.09 Join Zom_ [0] (n=zom@h-79-136-43-44.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) 06.08.03 Join woodensoul [0] (n=noneofya@pool-72-86-108-207.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) 06.08.32 # I'm assuming asking questions about repairing iPods would be frown upon here. Is there a channel better suited for that? 06.09.38 Quit Zom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.13.41 # #rockbox-community ? the Hardware forum? 06.15.29 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4cd667ca7d066547) 06.20.03 Quit Zom_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.24.52 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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08.26.11 Join lolmaus [0] (i=lolmaus@83.167.114.28) 08.26.15 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.26.35 # Buschel: Why wasn't full precision enabled for Gigabeats, anyway? 08.27.19 # Llorean: because it does not differ between different target but only the CPU-architecture 08.27.49 # But why doesn't it? 08.28.09 # Or rather, didn't. 08.28.46 Quit Zom_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.28.49 # Llorean: in fact, because i never had this on my mind -- first time now, right as you ask ;-) 08.29.20 # Buschel: Btw, arm7 has different instruction timing than arm9 (even the v4t variants), so speedup on one don't necessarily mean speedup on the other 08.29.57 # amiconn: then we should check :-) anyone has got a gigabeat to test? :) 08.30.04 # Not me 08.30.29 # Remind me tomorrow and I'll happily test. 08.30.31 # In general, newer arm versions have faster timing, but sometimes only achieve that wen obeying some extra rules 08.30.32 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCED7B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.30.54 # E.g. ldr is 3-cycle on arm7, but *can* be single cycle on arm9 08.31.39 # well, the main difference between full precision and speed optimized is the use of 32bit-muls instead of 64bit-muls 08.31.50 # It's only single cycle if you don't use the loaded value in the next instruction (it loads in the background) 08.32.07 # There are likely many more such cases 08.32.23 # hmm, that's used a lot in both versions... 08.32.42 # but let's see :) 08.34.01 # Then reordering will bring some extra speed on gigabeat (both F and X which are arm9 v4, and the S which is arm11 (?) v6) 08.34.49 # If you can do the reordering without slowdown on arm7, that would be good. Otherwise a split would be necessary for optimum performance 08.35.00 # Llorean: you can easily check the difference via 1. measuring svn 2. change apps/codecs/libmusepack/mpc_config.h (simply comment "#define OPTIMIZE_FOR_SPEED" in the "#elif defined(CPU_ARM)"-path) and remeasurement 08.35.25 # Buschel: Using the test codec plugin, I assume? 08.35.36 # Btw, that's the reason why the arm assembly for the ape filters (libdemac) is for arm7 *only* 08.35.37 # Llorean: yep. 08.36.04 # On arm9 the C code is actually faster 08.36.48 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@ool-44c0f428.dyn.optonline.net) 08.36.58 Quit Zom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.43 # Buschel: Personally I'd like to have the Speed vs Quality option available in all codecs. If I'm using it as part of my home sound system, for example (my h120) I'd rather a build with maximum precision since it's on wall power anyway. 08.39.45 # I wouldn't want a (runtime) option for that 08.39.51 # Not runtime 08.39.59 # I'd be completely happy if it was compile time. 08.40.08 # With lossy format you're accepting qulaity loss anyway 08.40.13 # *formats 08.40.33 # *quality, bah 08.40.50 # Very true, but some media isn't available lossless anyway. Independent artists seem to like distributing lossy compressed, but there's no sense intentionally introducing further quality loss if you can spare the CPU time anyway 08.40.55 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.41.19 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.43.11 # Imho we should always aim at the best possible quality in our codecs, and only drop precision when it's really necessary (codec not realtime on a certain target) 08.44.10 # These are portable devices. 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Please correct and re-run configure! 10.28.13 # <|Marco|> distro ? 10.28.27 # MTee_: is sdl-config in your path? 10.28.27 # <|Marco|> windows or some linux distro ? 10.29.05 # Marco : ubuntu 7.10 10.29.35 # <|Marco|> okay, check if you have the dev packs for sdl 10.29.48 # B4gder : I don't know, will check now 10.29.56 # ok 10.30.11 # <|Marco|> what B4gdermentioned to 10.35.04 # great, installed SDL. Works now. Thanks :) 10.35.49 # <|Marco|> good :) 10.41.31 # another question .. when writing : which arm-elf-gcc , it returns nothing , is this wrong ? 10.41.43 # yes 10.41.49 # it means it isn't in your path 10.42.35 # ok, thanks 10.49.09 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 10.58.42 # built the sim :) .. thanks for your help 11.00.36 Quit cool_walking_ (" HydraIRC -> won't let you change default quit message.") 11.13.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.13.52 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 11.15.58 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 11.19.46 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@79.131.135.191) 11.20.04 Join doktoreas [0] (n=doktorea@host252-186-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.20.09 # hello everybody 11.20.26 # I am trying to install rockbox on my ipod 2nd generation 11.20.43 # I have got this error with the bootloader installation on linux 11.20.46 # ipod nano? 11.20.53 # [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sdb1 11.20.54 # [INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes 11.20.54 # [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod 11.21.00 # B4gder: nope 11.21.14 # I have formatted it with mkfs.vfat 11.22.04 # it is recognized inside kde 11.22.41 # ah probably I need to create 2 partition on it? 11.23.26 # it needs to be a properly functional ipod layout 11.23.39 # can you run the OF fine? 11.23.49 # OF? 11.23.55 # original firmware 11.24.20 # nope 11.24.23 # :) 11.25.16 # is there any place where I can find the ipod partition layout? 11.26.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32#b_Download_the_partition_table_f 11.29.18 # B4gder: thankyou very much..worked fine 11.32.17 Quit CyBergRind|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.32.27 # B4gder: sorry, but now I need Apple firmware? 11.34.23 # doktoreas: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 11.35.33 # doktoreas: pay special attention to step 5 there. If you forget that (like I did), it won't work 11.39.00 # gevaerts, B4gder now is all fine 11.39.03 # thanks for all 11.44.12 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB26BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.50.19 # doktoreas: just out of curiosity, how did your ipod get to that state ? 11.51.08 # gevaerts: fdisk clean :) 11.51.28 # * gevaerts decides against asking "why" 11.51.59 # I thought I could use rockbox without any apple firmware 11.52.21 # You can, but it's a bit more complicated than that. 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I want to try and work on this, but I'll need help :) 13.55.38 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 14.03.26 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 14.04.30 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 14.05.20 # MTee_: well, you have some arabic glyphs to show the characters as they are encoded, and other glyphs to display the characters after combining 14.05.52 # we only use the glyphs after combining (of course) and I guess the others only have the first set of glyphs 14.06.24 # aha .. I see 14.07.21 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.07.21 # is there a way to include new glyphs in a certain font ? 14.07.37 # you can draw them yourself, or copy them from another font 14.07.52 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 14.07.53 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 14.07.53 # both is not trivial 14.08.27 # I started to add arabic to one of the nimbus fonts (hand drawn) but I don't know where I left it 14.09.04 # I'll try adding them to helv12R 14.09.35 # you can probably use the existing glyphs arabic glyphs as a template for making the combined ones 14.10.22 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.10.42 # I see 14.12.04 # I used a different BDF font editor a few weeks ago, but I forgot which one it was 14.13.13 # is fontforge good ? 14.15.02 # it doesn't always do what I want, but maybe that's also my fault 14.15.07 # you can try it 14.15.50 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.169) 14.17.34 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.19.07 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-091-096-040-009.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 14.27.24 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-210.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 14.29.56 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.30.00 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.36.22 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE217AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.38.24 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.133.169) 14.38.48 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ccc2010a1385e2b8) 14.39.43 Part B4gder 14.44.48 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.49.40 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.51.29 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-215-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.52.00 # hmm...the Pitch feature seems to me that doesn't work as it's expected to work 14.52.55 # as *you* expect it to work you mean ? ;) 14.52.56 # I was just experimenting a bit (current build - Gigabeat F) and it's clear that the setting affects tempo as well while it shouldn't 14.53.19 # or am I wrong to think that? 14.53.27 # where do you get the impression it's not supposed to affect tempo ? 14.54.22 # well, I always thought it was just affecting the pitch, thus the name (?) 14.55.51 # Though it's been very looong time since I last used the feature, so I'm not sure what was the case then 14.56.04 # IIUC pitch change is acheived by fiddling with the wavelength, which will inevitably change tempo as well 14.56.35 # I could however be thoroughly wrong, I'm not really an audio expert 14.56.48 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.56.57 # however, I do know that when people come asking if they can speed up playback 14.57.07 # they're generally referred to "pitch" as a way to do it 14.57.18 # so it would seem that it's always been a tempo affecting setting in Rockbox 14.57.29 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 14.58.02 Join leachim6 [0] (n=leachim6@dt050nf4.tampabay.res.rr.com) 14.58.12 # maybe I'm wrong then, but then the name of the feature is clearly misleading 14.58.14 # could I easily write a plugin for rockbox ? is there an API , Libs ? 14.59.05 # leachim6: yes, yes 14.59.14 # and I assume it's in C ? 14.59.19 # leachim6: yes again 14.59.27 # Link ? 14.59.31 # Genre9mp3: what should it be called then 14.59.36 # leachim6: to what ? 14.59.46 # a guide/tutorial/docs/ whatever 14.59.52 # Also, -/+2% doesn't seem to work as well (in the Pitch screen): you get +/-2% as long as you hold the button, if you release it you get the value before 15.00.03 # leachim6: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins 15.00.05 # I'm sure there is an example plugin lying around somewhere ? 15.00.09 # :) 15.00.20 # GodEater: Maybe "Playback Speed" or "Pitch/Tempo"? 15.00.31 # Playback speed would also be wrong 15.00.33 # also...I'm sure this is ongoing ... but could you explain the difference between rockbox and iPod Linux beside the fact that it's not linux 15.00.35 # GodEater: there are algorithms to change pitch without affecting tempo (or vice versa), but they all have two things in common : they cause distortions in various degrees, and I don't know much about them 15.00.48 # gevaerts: indeed, we have a timescaling patch in the tracker too 15.00.55 # but we don't have the reverse 15.01.18 # (timescaling being a way to increase playback speed without changing pitch) 15.01.27 # The reverse is basically combining that with the current pitch setting I guess 15.01.41 # which I don't believe anyone has done 15.01.55 # leachim6: you'd be best off browsing the rest of the rockbox.org site 15.02.04 # we're essentially not much like ipodlinux at all 15.02.46 # that's what I thought ... I tried to install iPod linux on my 5.x generation iPod and had to reflash it ... I installed rockbox in minutes with no trouble at all 15.02.56 # but I think iPod Linux has more packages 15.03.06 # can I get arm-elf-gcc for ubuntu ? 15.03.25 # leachim6: ipodlinux is a general purpose operating system that happens to run on audio players and happens to have audio software, rockbox is audio player firmware that happens to have some non-audio related plugins 15.03.26 # leachim6: download our source tree - we include a script in it for building the right versions of compilers for our targets 15.03.50 # * GodEater doubts very much there was any reflashing involved 15.04.15 # wow ... you guys thought of everything 15.04.17 # There might have been if it needed an OF restore 15.04.42 # Godo point ... I guess it's not flashing if it's not flash :) 15.05.19 # *good 15.06.08 # * GodEater also very much doubts if we have thought of everything ;) 15.06.16 # right ...so rockbox was meant to improve on the iPods original function ... which is ... playing music ...but iPod linux wants to go above and beyond 15.06.27 # * GodEater would love to be omniscient, but doesn't kid himself that he is 15.06.29 # no 15.06.39 # you have to run MPD on your iPod in iPodLinux to play music 15.06.43 # that seems a little bit overkill to me 15.06.46 # ipodlinux wants to turn your ipod into a sort of PDA 15.07.04 # leachim6: actually the ipod is a relatively recent port 15.07.05 # Rockbox wants to let you play audio, in the formats you want, in the way you want 15.07.19 # and Rockbox has many more targets than just ipod 15.07.36 # Rockbox was not meant to improve the Ipod in the beginning 15.08.28 # once again ... I'm sure an ongoing question ... will there ever be better video support 15.08.33 # and the ipod port is probably still not our best 15.08.37 # iPod linux can play DivX and XviD 15.08.38 # leachim6: there already is 15.08.43 # for the ipod ? 15.08.45 # yes 15.08.50 # how do I get ti! 15.08.54 # we don't support those particular codecs though 15.09.01 # leachim6: if you've installed Rockbox, you already have it 15.09.18 # mp1 and mp2 right ... 15.09.18 # nobody uses those :( 15.09.18 # 'cept dvds ... but the files are huge 15.09.37 # will there ever be mp4 support ? 15.09.44 # if someone decides to write it then yes 15.10.13 # so not officially then ... 15.10.15 # bummer .. 15.10.21 # define "officially" 15.10.25 # Maybe. Probably mp4 on the ipod will require someone to figure out the video chip in it, as the CPU is probably not fast enough to handle it 15.10.40 # the iPod Linux people did it ? 15.10.48 # that wasn't a question... 15.10.55 # I dunno what the ? was for :) 15.11.15 # * gevaerts does can easily be wrong on this :) 15.11.17 # I've never seen an ipod running iPL at all, let alone one playing back DivX / XviD, so I've no idea how well it performs 15.11.35 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.11.46 # the theory has been advanced that several of our players are definitely up to decoding mp4, and perhaps the iPods might be too 15.11.53 # (with or without the broadcom being involved) 15.12.01 # leachim6: what framerate do you get in ipodlinux while playing divx/xvid? 15.12.12 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-486d1dd68fc49565) 15.12.13 # and do you have to resize them to 320x.. ? 15.12.15 # markun: I think he just said he hosed his ipod trying to install it =/ 15.12.18 # wait ... I could be misinformed ... 15.12.37 # It might not play Divx or Xvid ... but it definately plays mp4 15.13.02 # * GodEater gets lost with the differences between all these codecs 15.13.06 # Llorean?!?! 15.13.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.13.12 # I remember something about uncompressed video or something, but it's a long time ago I checked 15.16.55 # well ... both Divx and Xvid are mp4 15.17.07 # mp1 and mp2 are unrelated 15.17.11 # Mov is a wrapper for mp4 15.17.16 # avi is a wrapper for mp4 also 15.17.25 # _anything_ can be a wrapper for mp4 15.17.33 # I'm talking general there 15.17.52 # a .foobar file could be a wrapper for mp4 15.18.38 # h.264 is also mpeg4 15.18.45 # so is aac 15.19.15 # so to say that some player plays 'mp4' doesn't tell you much (unless it can play everything in the mpeg4 standard) 15.19.33 # I mean like what the original apple firmware can play 15.19.41 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.19.44 # 640x480 h.264 15.19.58 # that takes a LOT of cpu power I dunno how the iPod does it 15.20.07 # dedicated DSP 15.20.20 Join fnakiocho [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 15.20.23 # (and mp4 is the file format/container, mpeg4 is the codec) 15.20.24 # undocumented 15.20.53 # how can I tri-boot Apple/Rockbox/iPod Linux 15.20.57 # dionoea: but when people advertise a mp4 player they mean you can also play what's inside the container of course :) 15.21.02 # leachim6: yes, the iPod Video contains a dedicated processor for decoding video, which unfortunately Rockbox is unable to make use of 15.21.06 # I want rockbox for media ... but I want Linux for apps 15.21.20 # GodEater, is there work being done on that ? 15.21.20 # leachim6: you can use the ipodlinux bootloader for example 15.21.21 # markun: you can put anything you want in mp4 :) 15.21.30 # leachim6: not really - there's no documentation for the chip in question 15.21.44 # leachim6: or you can use the rockbox boot loader ;) 15.21.58 # I believe most hard core tri-booters use the iPL one though 15.22.03 # the Rockbox bootloader can also boot all three... meh beaten 15.22.12 # GodEater: I tried a quite older and the behavior is the same, so it seems I was under the wrong impression all this time for the Pitch feature... not that I'm using it to tell you the truth but I just wondered 15.22.17 # we just make the caveat that we won't support your rockbox install if it doesn't use our bootloader 15.22.31 # GodEater: quite older build I meant 15.22.34 # Genre9mp3: I'm glad my memory hasn't failed me then ;) 15.23.13 # GodEater: maybe my memory failed me then? :/ 15.23.48 # either way, what you're thinking it's for is clearly a feature we still lack 15.23.55 # so perhaps you could work on it for us ;) 15.24.58 # I believe there is a patch in the tracker for it, not sure 15.26.03 # pixelma: I only found a time-scaling patch, which does the opposite 15.26.09 # but if you can find another - please let me know 15.27.24 # GodEater: Well, let me say I clearly lack the skills for code such a thing ;) 15.27.30 # maybe I'm confused the two things as I'm not very interested in this feature and just remembered reading something related ;) 15.28.31 # GodEater, Genre9mp3: If you have both simple pitch (changing speed) and time-stretch with constant pitch, you can easily combine them to make pitch with constant speed 15.28.57 # * amiconn has no real need for either of those 3 15.30.02 # In theory you can, but I would expect that to use more CPU than doing it in one step, and the UI needs to allow combining them 15.30.20 # * gevaerts hasn't looked. 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Must the buttons be in there if not in GPIO? 15.47.57 Nick mib_wdj13q9t is now known as MarcGuay (i=d8ef444d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0cfe05317cb2046d) 15.48.06 # Not sure, dude. 15.48.09 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...") 15.48.20 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he can get a c100 for really cheap to help 15.48.57 # LambdaCalculus37: I bought mine for $15 off craigslist. Found it hard to resist... 15.49.13 # MarcGuay: GPIO doesn't reveal anything? 15.50.22 # LambdaCalculus37: GPIOA holds some unique button presses but volume-up, vol-down, and wheel-down all have the same effect, and left-up-right all do the same thing as well. 15.51.01 # Sounds a little bit like the m200. 15.51.35 # MarcGuay: Actually, I wanted to ask about the USB boot mode on the c100. When you enter it, does it show anything on screen? 15.51.59 # Nope. 15.52.25 # You don't have to remove the NAND on the c100 either, do you? 15.52.27 Join Kh4l3tH [0] (n=rolfi@dyndsl-085-016-160-153.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.52.54 # Because the m200 (mine, anyway) only enters USB boot mode if you open it up and remove the NAND daughterboard. 15.53.04 # LambdaCalculus37: Nope, I just hold select and connect the USB cable. 15.53.21 # Battery inserted or removed? 15.53.30 # LambdaCalculus37: Either. 15.54.13 # linuxstb: How about on the Logik DAX? How does USB boot mode work? 15.54.18 # It's very easy to work with. I'm getting an RSI from building, connecting, and running tcctool in a loop. 15.54.59 # LambdaCalculus37: I think he said it's a pain like the m200 - removing the NAND. 15.55.56 # MarcGuay: See, that's what I'm a little puzzled about. It's very simple to enter USB boot mode on the c100, but the m200 and the DAX require you to remove the NAND. 15.56.22 # I still wonder why SanDisk didn't use a similar method of entering USB boot mode on the m200 like they did on the c100. 15.56.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders if shotofadds' m230 will be easier to work with 16.04.21 # LambdaCalculus37: Does the Btn field on the m200 bootloader go nuts even when you aren't pressing a button? 16.05.21 # MarcGuay: Yes, it did. 16.05.38 Quit Kh4l3tH () 16.14.56 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.17.38 # hi 16.23.59 # Just remembered that "Production Test Mode" is loaded when the Volume-Down and Circle-Down buttons are held, so there must be a button check in the boot sequence which would help distinguish Volume-Up from Vol-Down. 16.26.07 # * LambdaCalculus37 grabs his m240 to see if something similar happens there 16.26.54 # Nothing. 16.28.09 # LambdaCalculus37: Maybe search the .rom file for "test". Did the c100 come out after the m200? It seems as though Sansa learned some lessons along the way. 16.28.39 # MarcGuay: Y'know, I don't remember which came out first. :P 16.29.07 # But I'll search the .rom file again. 16.29.33 # * LambdaCalculus37 looks to see if he still has the objdump text file he made of the m200's player.rom 16.32.26 # Looks like the c100 came out a few months before the m200. "Lesson-learned" theory = bunk. 16.33.14 # is there a way to covert .ttf fonts to .fnt or .bdf ? 16.36.15 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 16.37.34 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.37.57 # anyone there ? 16.38.14 # MTee_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts 16.40.16 # Llorean: Not a fan of automation for automation's sake? :) 16.41.04 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 16.41.33 # MarcGuay: Not a fan of false solutions. 16.41.39 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.41.56 # I can't imagine any such plugin being particularly reliable, and if it's something you have to manually do anyway, why not just set the time? 16.42.46 # Then again, I don't use the RTC on my MP3 player anyway, so maybe I shouldn't weight in. I own a cellphone, and a wristwatch, and all the computers I work at have clocks attached to the internet, and so on... 16.43.16 # * LambdaCalculus37 uses the RTC on his devices, but *only* on those rare days that he forgets about his wristwatch ;) 16.43.27 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245062.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 16.44.00 # A stopwatch type function would be more usefull IMHO 16.44.19 # Which IIRC is already there. 16.44.27 # * LambdaCalculus37 checks 16.44.48 # There's one under Plugins > Applications. 16.44.58 # I can understand people wanting to minimize drift for things such as wake-up alarms, or timed recordings. 16.45.03 # there are even two stopwatches, the clock plugin has such a fuctionality too. 16.45.18 # But the latter at least is best served by manually starting the recording if you need real precision. 16.45.19 # are there any plugins that aren't included in the default install 16.45.41 # leachim6: People make them from time to time, but we try to include them if they're submitted and work well 16.45.59 # MarcGuay: But honestly, if the drift is constant enough to do that, why not just automatically adjust for the drift every boot? 16.46.12 # And if it's not constant enough, a manual plugin serves no purpose 16.46.15 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 16.52.21 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.08.14 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.38.145) 17.08.47 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.13.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.20 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF74EC.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.17.14 Part andrew__1 17.17.28 # Buschel: thanks for the comments 17.18.24 # Buschel: by the Accessory Power Supply, do you mean that the OF always turns it on? 17.21.15 # Buschel: For the FLAC codec, thanks for the work on that one :) I will test it later, but for now I have a new idea 17.21.35 # Buschel: let's eliminate as much factors as possible, and loop one single song 17.26.35 # Buschel: that way, we can eliminate the disk access factor 17.26.38 # what do you think? 17.26.58 # And I generally would like to compare the same file format 17.27.22 # Buschel: this way, we can measure the OF's codec effectiveness, with which we can eliminate another factor in power consumption 17.28.50 # LambdaCalculus37: linuxstb has a Logik DAX with a switch soldered to it's motherboard which allows him to toggle the boot mode 17.29.07 # Buschel: for example, if we found out (ruling out other factors) that the OF's codec is as optimal as RB's (roughly same runtime), and we also know OF's codec speed (which we do know), we can measure the other codecs' (vorbis, flac, mpc, etc) optimization too 17.29.49 # Buschel: it's indirect of course, but that's good and useful enough 17.31.01 # Buschel: therefore I think I should test on the Nano. I have a frankenstein-monster style Nano (scavenged parts), but I think it would be ok. Also, testing with Nano means the testing time is reduced by half ;) 17.32.08 # GodEater: Interesting. :) 17.34.14 # a colleague of mine at work did the attaching for him 17.34.22 # and I then had the opportunity to test it 17.34.32 # * GodEater can't solder for toffee 17.34.37 # I wonder if something similar can be done on the m200. 17.34.43 # Buschel: I also saw FS#8668. I think you should split the patch into parts -- one for the CPU speed, another for the button, etc 17.34.56 # Buschel: and maybe the CPU patch can go in first (what do you think?) 17.35.00 # * LambdaCalculus37 can (unfortunately) be a little shaky with a soldering iron as well 17.35.09 # LambdaCalculus37: i was curious of the same thing 17.35.19 # * scorche|sh isnt so shaky ;) 17.35.22 # LambdaCalculus37: well the DAX had a very helpfully labelled couple of points on it's board which read NAND and USB 17.35.30 # so guessing which ones to hook up wasn't tricky 17.35.37 # I take it there's nothing to obvious on your DAP ? 17.35.42 # s/to/so 17.35.59 # GodEater: Not that I can see, anyway. But maybe shotofadds will be able to find something. 17.36.10 # scorche|sh: I'm sending you the m240 later today. 17.36.16 # ok 17.37.03 # Want the USB cable for it as well? 17.37.07 # amiconn: I think you have a point there, saying that dropping 1 or 2 bits from 32-bit intermediate values, with 16-bit output is negligible 17.37.22 # amiconn: I think you may want to do some testing though 17.38.02 # amiconn: I think there will be little difference (maybe 1 bit) at the output, depending on how the intermediate is used in the calculation 17.41.46 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-29677018307994fd) 17.46.09 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.54.45 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 17.56.05 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.00.00 Join noapic [0] (n=noapic@123.236.186.95) 18.00.03 # hello 18.00.39 # I am interested in using rockbox's WMA decoder on Sony PSP. Is the code portable? 18.01.37 # out of curiousity, why not port rockbox as an app? 18.02.38 # you mean the rockbox's user space part? It will take a huge time for a n00b like me. 18.03.32 # anyways we have lot of goodies on PSP (irshell, snex9x, lightmp3) so not really missing any rockbox features. 18.04.28 # LambdaCalculus37: according to shotofadds latest post there are some contacts which are marked as I described on the DAX 18.04.28 # You do realize that Rockbox's primary function is audio playback, right? 18.04.56 # *marked on the m200 that is 18.05.02 # GodEater: Okay, I'll go have a look. 18.05.23 # noapic: AFAIK rockbox's WMA codec is based on ffmpeg's - so it should be portable 18.06.00 # * GodEater notes that the RockboxPlayer thread has been very quiet of late. 18.06.46 # * LambdaCalculus37 thinks that casahino finally gave up 18.07.32 # GodEater: And is the WMA code capable of functioning standalone (like a library that is) ... I read that MDCT was implemented in ASM was quite scared about its porting :( 18.07.41 Join Unixnut [0] (n=ognen@78-105-145-232.zone3.bethere.co.uk) 18.08.19 # GodEater: We should contact shotofadds about the switch that linuxstb had added to his DAX, and that the same could be done for his m200. 18.09.09 # Unfortunately, I can't check mine now because it's going out to shotofadds via Scorche's Super Shipping Service. 18.09.35 # or i could see about soldering a switch on before DCE and testing it there 18.09.50 # Hello everyone! I am having some issues with my ipod video and was hoping for some help, each time I turn on the ipod, the bootloader halts with "No partition found". I have tried upgrading to the latest version of rockbox and the bootloader with no luck, any ideas? 18.10.02 # scorche|sh: Good idea. :) 18.10.36 # Unixnut: what file system is your ipod using? 18.10.43 # Fat32 18.10.55 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.10.56 # Unixnut: is that a 5.5G ? 18.11.08 # no, its a 5G ipod Video, 30GB 18.12.27 # Rockbox worked fine before, but with time it started locking up, and some songs would go missing with 'no file'. 18.13.07 # so I did a fsck, it reported errors and said it fixed them, but then the bootloader gave the error above. 18.13.23 # That _could_ be the disk going bad I guess 18.13.39 # That or you fracked the partition. 18.14.03 # so I decided to make a new FS (fat32) and start from scratch. After mounting and transferring the latest rockbox it still gave me the error 18.14.04 Quit BlakeJohnson87 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.14.24 # I thought that it might be the disk, so I ran badblocks, but it finished with no bad blocks found 18.14.43 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-160-122.area2.spcsdns.net) 18.14.48 # I don't know if the partition is messed up, I had a look with fdisk and it seemed intact. 18.14.53 # * gevaerts starts to support LambdaCalculus37's theory 18.15.13 # I've added the arabic character set to a font, converted it to fnt and added it to rb but it couldn't render the arabic letters , though another font (unifont) is capable of rendering them, what would be the reason for that ? 18.15.13 # gevaerts: or the partition mount problem you and amiconn recently solved? 18.15.49 # pixelma: if it's really a 5G, it can't be that. 18.16.15 # ah right, overlooked that for some reason 18.16.17 # I think the iPod's firmware partition may have been damaged. 18.16.26 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 18.16.27 # Unixnut: when you connect it to your PC, does dmesg report 512 byte sectors or 2048 byte sectors ? (assuming you use linux) 18.16.38 # 2048 sectors 18.16.44 # Unixnut: Also, what does fdisk -l report? 18.17.09 # that partition 1 is empty o.0 18.17.15 # Disk /dev/sdg: 30.0 GB, 30005821440 bytes 18.17.15 # 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 912 cylinders 18.17.15 # Units = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes 18.17.15 DBUG Enqueued KICK Unixnut 18.17.15 # Disk identifier: 0x20202020 18.17.15 # Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 18.17.24 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.17.31 # oopts 18.17.40 # Unixnut: Can you please pastebin output like that next time? 18.17.42 # can't be a 5G if it's 2048 byte sectors 18.17.53 # pastebin? 18.18.09 # http://pastebin.com/ 18.18.26 # Copy output there, then link to the pastebinned results. 18.18.37 # its model number A1136, I thought it was a 5G, as it was bought at the same time as another 5G a few years ago 18.18.53 # You may have a 5.5G. 18.19.03 # What's the serial number on the back of the iPod? 18.19.09 # there is no doubt - if it's 2048 byte sectors it IS a 5.5G 18.19.34 # 8Q650N55V9M 18.19.46 # It's definitely 5.5G. 18.19.56 # ok, sorry for the mishap 18.20.14 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 18.20.14 # * wpyh smells interesting discussion here :) 18.20.32 # How did you format it ? mformat or mkfs.msdos ? 18.20.46 # (fdisk -l output here: http://pastebin.com/d32402ba8 ) if I worked out how to use the site 18.21.04 # mkdosfs 18.21.13 # Unixnut: You'll want to dd this file: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-video30gb-2048.bin to /dev/sdg1. 18.21.27 # * gevaerts looks at wpyh for details about formatting 18.21.32 # people, about arabic rendering .. 18.21.33 # your partition table looks good 18.21.45 # ok, dd'ing 18.21.54 # oh no... 18.21.58 # What? 18.22.14 # you've just told him to write an mbr to his fw partition 18.22.46 # I've added the arabic character set to a font, converted it to fnt and added it to rb but the arabic letters couldn't be rendered, though with another font (unifont) they are rendered correctly, what would be the reason for that ? 18.22.50 # well, now I get a different message: "Connect to your computer, use iTunes to restore" 18.23.50 # Unixnut: don't worry 18.23.50 # the rockbox bootloader does not even kick-in. 18.24.04 # * gevaerts thinks that LambdaCalculus37 should stand in the corner for a while 18.24.16 # what happened? 18.24.24 # * LambdaCalculus37 puts on a dunce cap and sits in a corner 18.24.31 # Unixnut: something um... nothing happened :p 18.24.34 # try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore 18.24.44 # skip right to step 4 18.24.55 # don't even look at step 2 :p (for your case ;) ) 18.24.58 # wpyh: I was going to get to that, too. :P 18.25.27 # LambdaCalculus37: shows how useful that page is ;) 18.25.37 # ok, but what just happened? 18.25.57 # Unixnut: well... we'll tell you after you get rockbox running :) ok? 18.26.05 Quit DaCapn () 18.26.21 # Unixnut: that partition table (mbr-video30gb-2048.bin) should have gone to /dev/sdg, not /dev/sdg1 (although it's probably not needed at all) 18.26.57 # /dev/sdg1 is the apple firmware partition, which also contains the rockbox bootloader. Writing something else there makes it Not Work 18.26.58 # gevaerts: I was keeping it for later... 18.27.04 # gevaerts: but ok 18.27.25 # ok, no probs, downloading the new firmware now (I presume it is the 5.5 option) 18.27.46 # Unixnut: yeah, you have to download the 5.5G firmware, as it's not compatible with the 5G 18.27.46 # noapic: I wrote the wma codec 18.28.13 # its fairly portable, its being used in at least one other project 18.28.24 # and parts of it are in another 18.28.25 Part LinusN 18.30.16 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@005-033-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.30.21 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-225-195.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.30.28 # ok, I dd'ed the new firmware on to the partition, now what (no worried LambdaCalculus37, I've done the same countless times) 18.30.39 # *worries, dammit 18.31.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet17.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 18.31.22 # Unixnut: follow the steps on the page 18.31.35 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE217AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.31.59 # ok, It seems to have booted into the original apple firmware. 18.32.39 Join mib_4pk9l3rq [0] (i=cdcdc8ee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd442151b3de46f9) 18.32.51 # all seems good, I will try to install rockbox now. 18.32.58 Nick mib_4pk9l3rq is now known as MarcGuay_ (i=cdcdc8ee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd442151b3de46f9) 18.33.16 # Holy snap. Time to update the BuyersGuide? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190228293551&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009 18.33.35 # Maybe reformat first. Formatting for 512 byte sectors may be the cause of the original problem 18.34.01 # I'm interested in getting support for Ipod accessories supported, what can I do to help 18.34.04 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-134-92.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.34.04 # sure thing 18.34.06 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 18.34.20 # Unixnut: please use the mkfs.vfat method to format 18.34.25 # * gevaerts decides not to buy a 60GB X5 for now 18.34.40 # Unixnut: then post the output of 'file -Ls /dev/sdX2' to pastebin and paste the link here 18.34.48 # Unixnut: make sure you have the -S 2048 18.35.20 # gevaerts: the 30GB drive is 512-byte hardware sectors, so formatting it with 512-byte sectors won't create a problem with the OF 18.35.38 # I did use mkfs.vfat, just that it was aliased to mkdosfs, so when I run mkfs.vfat, it told me it was mkdosfs. I wasn't sure which to post as me using here, so I went with mkdosfs. 18.35.40 # gevaerts: it will only create problems when mounted on Linux, since it obviously won't mount (I've tried that ;) ) 18.35.59 # Unixnut: mkfs.vfat is just a symlink to mkdosfs, so it's not a problem :) 18.36.19 # cool :) 18.36.20 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.36.21 # formatting now 18.38.07 # ok, done (http://pastebin.com/d669c1774) 18.39.52 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE217AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.40.21 # uh... 18.40.23 # that short? 18.40.31 # I'd expect file to spit out more info 18.40.31 # yeah, that was it 18.40.39 # what's your distro? 18.40.42 # gentoo 18.40.58 # well I didn't know gentoo would strip off so much info... 18.41.00 # but ok, 18.41.10 # can you mount the partition? 18.41.42 # yes I can 18.42.44 # then the partition is good I think 18.42.50 # cool! 18.42.51 # well, try to install rockbox then :) 18.43.09 # I shall do now, and will let you know how it goes :) 18.43.27 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 18.43.28 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.43.54 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 18.44.04 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 18.44.08 Quit nuonguy (Client Quit) 18.44.10 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.44.40 # Just to ask, I am running ipodpatcher now, and it says it is a 5th Gen ipod, is this correct? Or should it say 5.5Gen? 18.46.32 # well, I'll continue installing, and see how it goes. 18.47.45 # I think that's ok 18.48.05 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2864.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.48.21 # ok, it said it patched the bootloader correctly, I extracted rockbox into sdg2, and now I'm restarting. 18.48.43 # and... Same problem 18.48.47 # "No partition found" 18.49.46 # I'm beginning to think a format problem 18.49.55 # what was the exact command you used to format the partition? 18.50.22 # I have tried the following commands: ' mkfs.vfat -S 2048 -F 32 /dev/sdg2 ' and ' mkfs.vfat -S 2048 /dev/sdg2 ' 18.50.43 # which one is last? 18.51.01 # the plain one 18.51.08 # without -F 32 18.51.09 # ok, so that's wrong 18.51.20 # it creates a FAT16 filesystem 18.51.28 # we need a FAT32 filesystem for the ipod video :) 18.51.33 # yeah, I figured, but I tried the otherone as well 18.51.41 # I will try again 18.51.52 # Unixnut: and you got the same error? 18.52.26 # yeah, also in both situations, the apple firmware loaded fine, and even put its folders into the root area with no issues (I saw folders for 'Music' etc...) 18.52.46 # but I will try one more time with the -F 32 option 18.53.14 # people, anyone there who could help me with arabic rendering ? 18.53.35 # Unixnut: did you modify the partition table? 18.54.32 # no, didn't touch it 18.54.52 # ok, formatted it again, now trying to restart 18.55.24 # good, I think the partition table is ok 18.55.58 # * wpyh has to go soon 18.56.15 # (just to note, each time I reformat sdg2, I also dd the original firmware back to sdg1, boot to see if it works, then patch it) 18.56.28 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.168) 18.56.32 # Unixnut: no need to always reflash the OF 18.56.45 # just more of a 'in case' scenario 18.57.13 # you can hold MENU while booting to boot the OF anway 18.57.18 # yeah 18.57.24 # so, does it start up correctly? 18.57.42 Quit MarcGuay_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.00.18 # No :( 19.00.20 # same issue again 19.00.44 # uh... 19.00.50 # I still have the suspicion I asked gevaerts about, unfortunately I'm lacking the knowledge to explain and don't dare giving an advice (I _think_ it involves an SVN bootloader) 19.00.50 # maybe you should try mformat then 19.00.57 # Also, with the 'No partition found' error, I can't boot into the normal apple firmware 19.00.58 # I suspect that gentoo patched mkdosfs 19.01.41 # but I have patched many ipods under this OS, with no problems. 19.01.48 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.149) 19.01.50 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.01.58 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 19.02.02 # I shall try mformat 19.02.03 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-251-246-73.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 19.02.05 # Unixnut: you can try with vanilla dosfstools, or you can also try mformat 19.02.16 # other ipods are different -- they export 512-byte sectors 19.02.28 # although I don't see why your ipod should fail 19.02.34 # also, I have to go now 19.02.38 # what should I run with mformat? 19.02.52 # no problems, thanks for your help :) 19.02.58 # so if mformat also fails, please see and follow the instructions from IpodManualRestore 19.03.18 # ok 19.03.24 # It contains all the information you need (assuming all works correctly) 19.03.40 # thanks a lot, I shall keep trying 19.04.19 # btw, I saw some patches in the gentoo's package for dosfstools, which is the package that contains mkdosfs 19.04.30 # I think you might want to try a vanilla version :) 19.04.32 # good luck :) 19.04.42 # if mtools fails as well, I shall try the vanilla version 19.04.46 # thanks! :) 19.05.25 Quit wpyh ("Leaving.") 19.06.30 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 19.06.55 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.07.56 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.08.32 # Unixnut: if that still doesn't work, can you give the output of sfdisk -uS -l /dev/sdg ? 19.09.54 Quit MTee_ ("Ex-Chat") 19.10.55 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.11.12 # sure thing, currently downloading a vanilla version of mkdosfs 19.12.25 Quit nplus ("Leaving") 19.12.31 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.13.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.31 # hmm, the vanilla version I got does not seem to support fat 32 19.14.43 # anyone know where I can get a recent vanilla version of mkdosfs? 19.14.59 # they don't seem to have a project page that I can find, and the only vanilla version I found so far is from 1997 19.16.03 # get the source of debian package dosfstools 19.16.19 # thanks! 19.16.28 # http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dosfstools/dosfstools_2.11.orig.tar.gz 19.18.15 # Thanks a lot, formatting now 19.18.31 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.18.50 # ok, formatted, now restarting 19.19.15 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.19.36 # and same problem, "No partition found" 19.20.11 # *sigh* 19.20.12 # Can you get this output of "sfdisk -uS -l /dev/sdg" ? 19.20.30 # yeah, doing it now 19.21.38 # done, its here: http://pastebin.com/d15e87188 19.23.36 # OK. Can you do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg bs=512 seek=4 count=248" ? Make sure not to make typos in there 19.24.13 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-84ce7b583c31e63f) 19.24.22 # ok, done 19.24.34 # Then tru 19.24.42 # try rockbox again (no need to reinstall) 19.24.56 # ok, trying 19.26.23 # nope, still the same 19.28.18 # Then it's not the issue we found a few weeks ago. 19.28.38 # yay! I always get the issues nobody heard of, lol 19.28.47 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245062.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 19.28.53 # can't sleep 19.29.01 # * wpyh is reading the logs 19.29.30 # hm... Unixnut, you're using the vanilla dosfstools, right? 19.29.36 # so that is not the problem 19.29.45 # yeah, the ones in the link gevaerts gave me 19.30.07 # by the way, how did you obtain rockbox? 19.30.10 # is it through svn? 19.30.17 Quit grndslm (Remote closed the connection) 19.30.27 # no, throught the 'current build' option 19.30.31 # *through 19.30.36 # on the site 19.30.54 # ok... can you try to get SVN and build it? 19.31.04 # it would take some time since you have to build the toolchain as well 19.31.08 # What difference would that make ? 19.31.18 # I would ask him to try to debug it 19.31.26 # since we know the BL is ok 19.31.37 # then we can debug it 19.31.44 # by printing markers throughout the code 19.32.05 # that's what I did when I used a 1 GB cf card and formatted it with FAT16 19.32.22 # it turns out the build for ipod video only recognizes FAT32 and not FAT16 19.32.23 Quit MethoS_ (No route to host) 19.32.37 # but in this case, the problem seems to be something else 19.32.52 # still, we can trace it with markers :) 19.33.04 # The other way would be to find a windows PC with itunes, and let that do a restore first 19.33.05 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.26 # so Unixnut, basically what you should do is get the svn, build the toolchain, then build the BL 19.33.34 Quit bertrik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.38 # gevaerts: that might fix it, but I doubt it 19.33.50 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@005-033-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 19.34.07 # itunes restore only does two things:1. restore the fw, and then 2. format the partition 19.34.24 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-160-122.area2.spcsdns.net) 19.34.24 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.34.41 # Ok, where is the SVN URL? 19.34.44 # Unixnut: after that, try to grep for strings that you see on the screen, for example "No partition found" 19.35.12 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 19.35.18 # uh... I don't remember... it's located somewhere deep on the website... 19.35.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0e95e3fb9ddcb951) 19.35.38 # yeah, I'm digging around the site looking for it 19.35.40 # svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk 19.36.07 # ok, checking otu 19.36.09 # gevaerts: maybe we should put it on the frontpage, no? 19.36.10 # *out 19.36.56 Quit noapic ("WeeChat 0.2.7-dev") 19.37.04 Join george [0] (n=solargeo@80-41-147-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.37.16 Quit george (Client Quit) 19.37.25 # checked out, so now I have to build the toolchain you say? 19.37.47 # Unixnut: so, what you would do is print markers, as I said. You will find the string "No partition found" in several places, and you should put different markers for each. For example, I modified it into ": No partition found", with being the source file name of course 19.37.52 # wpyh: why? It's not "deep", just go to docs index / for developers / using svn ;-) 19.38.09 Join solar_george [0] (n=solargeo@80-41-147-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.38.24 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 19.38.41 # yes, get and build the toolchain. there's this script tools/rockboxdev.sh 19.38.57 # bluebrother: well, I had to resort to google to find it :p 19.39.08 # it's not obvious at all from the front page 19.39.17 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be7feb877dc4014a) 19.39.20 # * gevaerts just uses svn info 19.39.28 # of course, once I had the svn tree I just happily svn up regularly, so I forgot the issue :p 19.39.29 # hehe, that search box can be quite useful ;-) 19.39.37 # I presume I only have to worry about the ipod related files (I see './bootloader/ipod.' and './bootloader/common.c' and './firmware/common/disk.c') 19.39.40 # gevaerts thanks ;) 19.39.48 # Does anyone know if this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sandisk-Sansa-c240-1Gb-Player/dp/B000IZKM0A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213809622&sr=1-7) player work with rockbox 19.40.12 # bluebrother: yeah :p but it would be better if we put a link called "SVN" on the front page IMO 19.40.25 # solar_george: As long as it's a v1. 19.40.27 # Unixnut: yes, should be those files 19.40.31 # and the fat driver too 19.40.49 # is there any easy way to tell 19.41.01 # then, when you've found the place where the string is output, work your way back the failing function 19.41.09 # I want to be sure before I buy it 19.41.17 # note that sometimes you have to use printf() instead of DEBUGF() 19.41.24 # Only way to is to view what version of firmware it has on it. 19.41.34 # solar_george: I would guess that most (if not all) sold as new c200s are v2 19.41.36 # If the firmware is 01.XX.XX, it's a v1. 19.41.44 # If it's 03.XX.XX, it's a v2. 19.41.51 # That's the only surefire way to tell. 19.42.10 # If it's from a private seller, ask them to tell you the firmware version number. 19.44.26 # and don't take "the latest" for an answer :) 19.46.24 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.46.46 # Yeah I'll ask them 19.47.41 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 19.48.47 # * Unixnut is now building the toolchain 19.51.20 # a note: be creative when debugging ;) 19.51.24 # * wpyh tries to sleep again 19.51.45 # hehehe, I'll try (being my first time and all) 19.52.59 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-134-92.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.55.08 # Unixnut: Welcome to the wonderful world of Rockbox. ;) 19.55.46 # hahaha 19.56.35 # and C/C++ coding I guess (always wanted to learn, I guess this is a way of actually getting round to it) 19.57.48 # Since Rockbox is C, concentrate on that first. 19.57.50 # Unixnut, rockbox is C and a tiny bit of ASM for time critical and very low-level parts, there's no C++ in it 19.58.08 # bertrik: RButil is C++, though. 19.58.20 # * bertrik was going to say the exact same thing 19.58.27 # ok, I don't quite know the difference between them (from what I know, c++ is more object oriented, but thats it really) 19.59.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 19.59.15 # Going into the differences between C and C++ is going off-topic here, but Google is the Great Deity of All Knowledge in these sorts of things. :) 19.59.25 # I shall have a look 19.59.57 # now the toolchain is done, so I preume I compile rockbox, load it onto the ipod and see what interesting messages appear 20.00.44 # Unixnut: Have a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 20.00.59 # And here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN 20.01.15 # Thanks! reading now 20.01.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF74EC.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.01.44 # Do you already have Subversion installed? 20.01.51 # do you think I need to compile rockbox itself? it seems the problem happens before the actual rockbox binary is even executed 20.02.05 # yes I have, already checked out the sources as well. 20.02.09 # Start with the bootloader 20.02.16 # ok 20.02.23 # Then you can compile a normal build. 20.03.21 # By the way, when you run tools/configure, it'll ask you what device you're compiling for; picking iPod video will ask you how much RAM to compile for. 32MB is for 30GB iPods, 64MB is for 60/80GB iPods. 20.04.13 # thanks 20.06.22 # ok, compiled, now I presume the file is "bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" 20.06.31 # do I just dd it, or do I have to use ipodpatcher? 20.07.29 # You need to use ipodpatcher 20.07.49 # * gevaerts leaves the exact command to others who actually know it 20.08.04 # do I have to remove the currently installed bootloader, or will ipodpatcher do that automatically for me? 20.08.52 # never mind, I will try it either way 20.09.56 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 20.10.04 # ipodpatcher will replace the old bootloader 20.10.19 # ok, thanks 20.10.35 # I would just use a pre-compiled bootloader when starting with rockbox 20.10.56 # bertrik: this is about debugging an issue ;) 20.11.21 # an issue in the bootloader? 20.11.28 # Maybe 20.11.46 # * gevaerts has no idea right now 20.11.59 Quit Genre9mp3 () 20.12.26 # bertrik: So it's best that he do it this way. 20.13.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.19.38 # ok, I ran my bootloader, and it fails with "No partition found" from ipod.c, line 295 20.19.41 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.20.20 # which is the "rc = disk_mount_all();" function, followed by ("if rc<=0") statement 20.20.50 # I presume rc<=0, so it prints the message and calls fatal_error(); function 20.21.14 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-660cb208c6946277) 20.23.30 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 20.25.50 # I would say that it fails in disk_mount() in firmware/common/disk.c (lines around 215), or in fat_mount() (firmware/drivers/fat.c) 20.28.03 # oh, how come? (not saying you are wrong, just want to understand whats going on) 20.28.59 # disk_mount_all() calls disk_mount(), and it doesn't do much else 20.29.13 # oh, so whats the point of disk_mount_all()? 20.29.58 # It mounts filesystems on all disks. On ipods there is only one 20.30.15 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 20.30.21 # Unixnut: disk_mount_all() also mounts also memory cards, if you player has such a thing.. :-) 20.30.23 # I see, so it doesn't do much else for ipods, but for other players it probably does, got it 20.30.33 # thanks alot guys. 20.31.10 # so next step would be to put some outputs into disk_mount, to see if it doesnt find a partition, or if the fat_mount fails.. 20.31.28 # yeah, currently grepping for the function 20.31.44 # its in firmware/common/disk.c 20.32.16 # on ipod fat_mount gets called once for each possible sector size (512,1024,2048). On a 5.5G it's expected to fail twice, and then succeed on the 2048 byte attempt 20.32.33 Quit knittl (Remote closed the connection) 20.38.20 Quit bertrik ("no funny message") 20.46.33 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3C815.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.47.08 # I have a boombox with an Ipod dock, what can I do to help get rockbox support for it? 20.47.40 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.169) 20.51.11 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.52.56 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.93) 20.53.36 # itcheg: you could help other which work on the apple accessory support, see FS#8624 in the tracker.. 20.53.57 # just to ask, what is the difference between printf and debugf? 20.54.51 # thanks domonoky will have a look at it 20.55.46 # wpyh: regarding FS#8668 a split is of course possible. problem is that the 5G's UI gets too unresponsive then. so, at least the 5G needs the boost-on-button or gui-boost. 20.55.56 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 20.56.39 Quit solar_george ("Ex-Chat") 20.57.50 # re bootloader, what is pinfo? 20.57.51 # wpyh: of course i could extract the gui-boost as patch for the gui-unresponsiveness that is reported for 5G with svn as well. i am not sure about the effect on plugins and games 20.58.45 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 21.04.40 Quit davina (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.09 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.07.22 Join J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 21.09.17 Join _ntsn [0] (n=ab5x8@bzq-79-183-224-147.red.bezeqint.net) 21.10.09 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 21.10.37 # <_ntsn> Hi, 21.10.50 # <_ntsn> i have a e260 sansa and i wish to install rockbox on it 21.11.13 # Before we begin, what is the version number of the Sansa's firmware? 21.11.49 # <_ntsn> can you guide me how to check the version? (i bought this sansa 2 years ago) 21.12.01 # Settings > System Info 21.12.56 # <_ntsn> im in the middle of copying my 4gbs of music, i will get back to you in 5 minutes when its done, thanks alot for the fast reply :) 21.13.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.41 # <_ntsn> during the copying, how much space does rockbox cost? 21.14.02 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 21.14.25 # Rockbox should need around 10-15 MB. 21.14.36 # <_ntsn> at the minimum? 21.14.41 # 10-15MB? 21.14.47 # <_ntsn> if im using the full-feature'd version? 21.16.29 # The Rockbox build itself is 5.85MB. 21.16.33 # <_ntsn> lambda? 21.17.14 # _ntsn: What od you mean by "full-feature'd" version? 21.17.27 # ah, the fonts folder is quite large, about 10MB 21.17.48 # And extra themes add to that as well. 21.17.49 # <_ntsn> as i saw, you can upgrade / add addons / however you call it 21.17.56 # <_ntsn> im right? 21.18.22 # You can. But I was giving you a rough estimate of how much free space you'll need. 21.18.44 # <_ntsn> okay, thanks 21.19.05 # <_ntsn> well i have just unpluged it, its refreshing DB 21.19.51 # <_ntsn> okay here we go, the version which acquired from settings >> system info is: 21.20.01 # <_ntsn> 01.02.18A 21.20.27 # <_ntsn> i guess its pretty old.. 21.20.35 # We're in business! :) 21.20.47 # Have a look at the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html 21.20.53 # <_ntsn> yes i did 21.21.04 # Did you find the link to RButil in it? 21.21.08 # _ntsn: thats fine, just read the manual, and use rbutil to install rockbox.. 21.21.10 # You can use that to install Rockbox. 21.21.20 # <_ntsn> i read the getting started & the installation notes 21.22.00 # <_ntsn> i was wondering, since i saw there is another version (e2xxR) how i can determine that im not using the R version? 21.22.19 # <_ntsn> you achived this information from the version? 21.22.40 Part toffe82 21.23.09 # Is your Sansa a Rhapsody model? With an R in the model name? 21.23.25 # <_ntsn> i dont know, thats my main problem 21.23.45 # There's a surefire way to find out. 21.23.58 # <_ntsn> im listening :) 21.24.03 # Settings > USB. 21.24.09 # What do the options say? 21.24.52 # <_ntsn> from top to bottom: MSC, MTP 21.24.58 # <_ntsn> currently its set to MSC 21.25.07 # Not an R model! And good job! :) 21.25.17 # <_ntsn> okay 21.25.28 # So download and fire up RButil, and Rockbox your Sansa! :) 21.25.33 # <_ntsn> before im using the tutorial 21.25.51 # <_ntsn> and equipping my sansa with rockbox 21.25.59 # <_ntsn> there is a way to backup my current settings? 21.26.10 # <_ntsn> i have 2 other files on the root ( ./ ) of my sansa: 21.26.22 # Which are? 21.26.27 # <_ntsn> just a sec 21.26.51 # <_ntsn> the first: USB_Disk_Eject.exe 21.26.53 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4FE01.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.27.04 Join metro [0] (n=4baa0ca2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-063ce1c07d082c55) 21.27.20 # <_ntsn> im using it for connecting my sansa to school computer which have no option of uplugging it safely 21.27.31 # They won't be afffected by the install, and the settings on your Sansa's OF won't be affected. 21.27.38 # <_ntsn> (i open it stright from my sansa and its unplug it safely) 21.27.47 # lots of people... wow... 21.27.49 # <_ntsn> what if OF? 21.27.59 # Original Firmware. 21.28.06 # What SanDisk put on the Sansa. 21.28.06 # <_ntsn> oh 21.28.10 # <_ntsn> and i have 21.28.11 # <_ntsn> Playlist Creator.exe 21.28.18 # <_ntsn> which creates playlists 21.28.27 # Rockbox uses .m3u files for playlists. 21.28.30 # <_ntsn> with correspondence to directory tree 21.28.37 # <_ntsn> okay 21.28.46 # <_ntsn> so now i can delete my playlist creator 21.28.57 # Here's RButil: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ 21.28.59 # <_ntsn> i also have winamp_cache_0001.xml on my root 21.29.00 # <_ntsn> ./ 21.29.11 # <_ntsn> what its stands for? why it is there? 21.29.30 # Don't know. Ask Winamp support about that. 21.29.33 # anyone familiar with rockbox and sansa players have time for a quick question? 21.29.48 # metro: Just ask. 21.30.32 # alrighty, metronome.. any ideas why I can't get it to play on my sansa c240? everything seems to be fine, it just won't start the count 21.31.27 # it's a bug and not _that_ easy to fix (without a decision). There's a forum thread about it 21.31.31 Quit stoffel (Client Quit) 21.32.03 # <_ntsn> lambda 21.32.40 # <_ntsn> the installation guide is standing in front of my eyes, i can see 2 main sections: automated installation and manual 21.32.42 # hmm, quite the bummer. would be perfect for me with a working metronome. 21.33.02 # Use "manual". 21.33.15 # <_ntsn> which is preffered for your opinion? 21.33.33 # <_ntsn> and better for me 21.33.36 # I don't use RBUtil to install. I do it the manual way. :) 21.33.37 # LambdaCalculus37: why ? 21.33.48 # use rbutil its much easier.. 21.34.05 # metro: I hope that this decision will be made in about 1.5 weeks and then try to work on fixes 21.34.06 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.34.09 # _ntsn: Sorry. I misread what you said. 21.34.14 # Use RBUtil (automated). 21.34.26 # <_ntsn> okay 21.34.29 Quit Naked (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.34.29 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.34.43 # using rbutil is more user-friendly. At least if you like GUIs ;-) 21.35.06 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-160-122.area2.spcsdns.net) 21.36.04 # So pixelma, who would I have to pay (for real) to get a patch for the metronome plugin for my sansa? 21.36.06 # <_ntsn> actually im not a gui man (usually i do the coding part and my partner do the gui's :D ) 21.36.34 # metro: ? that doesn't work this way 21.36.40 # <_ntsn> umm lambda, which version of rbutil (win32) is preffered? 21.36.46 # <_ntsn> and recommende? 21.36.48 # <_ntsn> d 21.36.57 # http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip 21.37.13 # Are you using Windows? 21.37.38 # <_ntsn> i have xubuntu and winxp but i currently use winxp 21.38.10 # Then use the link I gave above. 21.39.00 # <_ntsn> there is no SFV / MD5 to make sure it downloaded successfuly ? 21.39.16 Quit metro ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.39.48 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B1621DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.40.59 # <_ntsn> LLambdaCalculus377 21.41.01 # <_ntsn> ? 21.41.23 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.41.31 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21.41.32 # No. Just open the zip file and extract it to a folder. 21.41.38 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.41.47 # <_ntsn> i have just extracted it 21.41.53 # <_ntsn> umm the guide is pretty messy 21.41.58 # Launch it. 21.41.59 # <_ntsn> (at the websites) 21.42.16 # <_ntsn> can you go with me during the installation? 21.42.20 # <_ntsn> (im doing it right now) 21.42.46 # <_ntsn> just to make sure that im not making and dumb things that would make it not work :D 21.43.33 # _ntsn: RBUtil is perfectly straightforward. I'm sure you can do it by yourself. 21.43.46 # _ntsn: there is no md5sum because zip itself contains a CRC to check the validity of the file 21.43.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 21.44.00 # <_ntsn> oh okay, thanks blue 21.44.12 # I'd suggest you simply start using it and ask specific questions if you're stuck. 21.44.19 # <_ntsn> okay 21.44.22 Quit hannesd (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 21.44.22 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B1621DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.44.27 # <_ntsn> umm there is kind of problem here 21.44.31 # <_ntsn> my sansa i connected 21.44.39 # <_ntsn> i want to unplug it 21.44.50 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.44.50 NJoin Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 21.44.50 # rockbox doesnt work on ipod nano? 21.44.50 # makes me sad 21.44.51 # it's in UMS mode, right? 21.44.54 # <_ntsn> i cant unplug it safely with the winxp dialog 21.45.08 # unpaidbill: it works on the Nano 1G (the non-metal ones) 21.45.08 # unpaidbill: the 2nd and 3rd gen versions 21.45.11 # <_ntsn> its on MSC 21.45.23 # So go ahead and start the installation, then. 21.45.35 # _ntsn: If you right-click on the first Sansa drive do you have options or is it restricted? 21.45.39 # <_ntsn> i want to unplug it first to make sure of some things.. 21.45.43 # you should be able to eject it using the "safely remove" icon in the systray. If not you have a windows problem ;-) 21.45.59 # <_ntsn> "the drive H is currently in use..." 21.46.02 # (but it happens to me every now and then that I need to use that icon several times before it works) 21.46.12 # <_ntsn> i dont have windows problem, even that this is a modified windows 21.46.29 # check if there is an explorer / whatever window open that could hold file handles on the drive. 21.46.38 # <_ntsn> im not copying and nothing holds it.. 21.47.06 # in most cases it works if you simply wait a bit. Otherwise, try the sysinternals tools to find the offending process. 21.47.07 Quit dude187 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.47.20 Join dude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 21.47.25 # <_ntsn> im going through the proccesses list.. 21.47.33 # It's possible to change the policy of the drive to "Optimized for quick removal" so you don't have to go through the safely-remove business every time. 21.48.49 # <_ntsn> it doesnt bother me 21.48.54 # <_ntsn> ive just ejected it 21.49.34 # <_ntsn> well lets start with the installation, im plugging it in 21.49.41 # <_ntsn> its on MSC mode 21.50.02 # <_ntsn> ive just executed the rbutil 21.50.06 # <_ntsn> and it alerts: 21.50.27 # <_ntsn> your configuration is invalid this is most likely due to... 21.50.32 # "Configuration invalid" :) 21.50.44 # <_ntsn> whats now? 21.50.52 # * bluebrother programmed this dialog and knows its content 21.51.00 # <_ntsn> hh :D 21.51.09 # <_ntsn> blue - i should okay it? 21.51.20 # bluebrother: there's a long example line in the shortcuts plugin section (the last) which doesn't break nicely (if at all) in the pdf. I could just force it on a new line if I make it a new paragraph but maybe there's a cleaner solution... would be nice if you could take a look. :) 21.51.22 # well, as the dialog tells: go to the configuration (will be opened automatically) and set it up correctly 21.51.33 # <_ntsn> it opened 21.51.45 # which in most cases means you just need to make use of the "autodetect" button 21.52.25 # <_ntsn> i click the autodetect and it pops:"couldnt detect mountpoint 21.52.38 # <_ntsn> i have selected sansa E200 21.53.16 # <_ntsn> and about the drive letter: i have 2 letters when i plugg in my sansa: 21.53.27 # <_ntsn> the first is I which is name is 21.53.28 # <_ntsn> Removable Disk 21.53.29 # well, use the "browse" button right of the mountpoint entry 21.53.39 # <_ntsn> and the second is H which is name is: 21.53.39 # <_ntsn> Sansa e260 21.53.42 # you have a micro SD card in the player? 21.53.47 # <_ntsn> which of those i have to select? 21.53.51 # <_ntsn> i have NO microsd card 21.53.58 # unpaidbill: only on first generation nanos 21.54.14 # interesting. Is H: the drive you put your music on? Then select that. 21.54.21 # * domonoky is a bit late :-) 21.54.34 # domonoky: getting old? ;-) 21.54.52 # pixelma: checking 21.54.57 # <_ntsn> i put my music on H 21.55.18 # then select H: 21.55.18 # <_ntsn> i have selected drive H and sansa e200 21.55.20 # <_ntsn> whats next? 21.55.37 # confirm the changed settings ... 21.55.43 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 21.55.48 # * bluebrother wonders if _ntsn uses a GUI the first time 21.56.01 # <_ntsn> umm blue 21.56.11 # <_ntsn> im usualy not uses gui's, 21.56.17 # <_ntsn> but there are other issues 21.56.21 # bluebrother: That would be odd indeed if someone were cli competent but couldn't work out a GUI :) 21.56.25 # <_ntsn> i will explain it to you later ;) 21.56.29 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.41 # let me guess ... "Network error"? 21.57.01 # <_ntsn> surprisingly - no :D 21.57.15 # <_ntsn> im selecting complete installation 21.57.23 # <_ntsn> do you really blabla? 21.57.26 # <_ntsn> okay it? 21.57.31 # well, then it should be quite straightforward 21.57.49 # <_ntsn> wel umm 21.57.56 # <_ntsn> where i should go in this gui 21.57.59 # if not installation will get cancelled (can't think of anything else that would make sense in that case) 21.58.03 # <_ntsn> complete installation? 21.58.11 # yes 21.58.19 # if you want everything (including fonts, doom, etc). 21.58.20 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.58.22 # <_ntsn> ok 21.58.26 # If you want a full installation, which I'm assuming you do 21.58.26 # <_ntsn> thats intresting.. 21.58.40 # <_ntsn> i have just entered the full instalation 21.58.40 # * domonoky guesses... doom :-) 21.58.44 # small installation leaves out optional stuff. But you can install that later using the other tabs. 21.58.46 # <_ntsn> and surprisingly (really surprisngly) 21.58.57 # _ntsn: you don't need to tell us absolutely everything 21.59.01 # <_ntsn> error: NO SANSA FOUND! 21.59.11 # have you got admin/root rights? 21.59.22 # <_ntsn> bambi: this is an interesting case :D i have to tell you ;) 21.59.37 # is someone with a beast around? 21.59.39 # <_ntsn> im the only user on this machine and im pretty sure that i have admin rights :D 21.59.44 # pixelma: yes 21.59.46 # interesting. This shouldn't happen if autodetection figured the correct player 21.59.52 # <_ntsn> Operating System: WinXP Professional 5.1 SP1 (Build #2600) 21.59.57 # BigBambi: ever tried the calculator? 22.00.07 # <_ntsn> umm 22.00.08 # pixelma: nope, but I can do if you would like :) 22.00.10 Quit pabs (Remote closed the connection) 22.00.14 # <_ntsn> im running on winxp sp1 pro 22.00.21 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@ip68-100-253-55.dc.dc.cox.net) 22.00.21 # <_ntsn> it should make some difference? 22.00.31 # no 22.00.47 # <_ntsn> so blue 22.00.59 # <_ntsn> what do you think? 22.01.00 # <_ntsn> :D 22.01.18 # _ntsn: If you want people to get hilighted whn you say their name (and therefore notice you said something), you need to use their full name 22.01.26 # pixelma: you could reword that line like the examples in the wps tags chapter. I.e. a new paragraph "example: " 22.01.37 # <_ntsn> BBigBambii 22.01.47 # ? 22.01.52 # <_ntsn> believe me that i know this, i dont want to interupt 22.02.07 # _ntsn: don't worry 22.02.09 # <_ntsn> so bluebrother - any ideas? 22.02.13 # _ntsn: please try the "Installation" tab 22.02.16 # BigBambi: I'd just like an opinion on why selecting a number is on "menu" and whether anything speaks against putting it on "select", thanks :) 22.02.38 # pixelma: On select please 22.02.52 # use the "Bootloader" button first. We had issues with automatic installation in the past (but those should be fixed -- probably there is still something wrong :o ) 22.02.52 # <_ntsn> just for general info: ive open the root of my sansa and found ./.rockbox 22.02.56 # <_ntsn> but its empty 22.03.01 # pixelma: I just spent a minute pressing all the buttons trying to figure out how to select :) 22.03.06 # bluebrother: thanks, will take a look 22.03.18 # <_ntsn> bluebrother 22.03.28 # * bluebrother just got hilighted 22.03.34 # \o/ 22.03.49 # <_ntsn> im getting to the installation tab, but first - i think that more problems will pop up soon, there is a way to backup this sansa on my windows? 22.04.37 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 22.04.37 # I assume you already have a music backup 22.04.45 # <_ntsn> (i guess my tweeked winxp is making some noises..) 22.04.47 # sansapatcher (which installs the bootloader and is utilized by Rockbox Utility) is usually safe. I don't know of any serious issues (except people using it in strange ways) 22.04.48 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.04.48 # <_ntsn> yes i did 22.05.01 # for the data partition it's up to you ;-) 22.05.07 # As for the system, unless you do something really silly that isn't in the manual, it will be fine - and even then it is recoverable 22.05.34 # <_ntsn> okay so im going back to the bootloader 22.05.54 # <_ntsn> again: NO SANSA FOUND 22.06.05 # that's really interesting. 22.06.28 # did autodetection work or did you select the model yourself? 22.06.28 # <_ntsn> well 22.06.36 # <_ntsn> it did NOT 22.06.42 # <_ntsn> i selected the model by my self 22.06.45 # <_ntsn> and the drive too 22.06.58 # and you have it connected in MSC mode? 22.07.06 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-13-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) 22.07.07 # <_ntsn> yes 22.07.12 # ok. Then there is definitely an issue detecting the player. Autodetection should be able to detect the sansa in every case 22.07.16 # <_ntsn> i will disconnect it to make sure of it 22.07.17 # * gevaerts has doubts about this administrative rights thing 22.07.29 # It is the only thing I can think of right now 22.07.41 Quit Buschel () 22.07.44 # <_ntsn> well umm im trying to disconnect it 22.07.52 # <_ntsn> i guess the rbutil is still using it.. 22.07.57 # <_ntsn> i should kill this proccess? 22.08.10 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 22.08.36 # you can close it, but it's not locking the device (unless writing data) 22.08.50 # <_ntsn> when its opened i cant log it off.. 22.09.15 # <_ntsn> well its on MSC 22.09.22 # <_ntsn> i am plugging it back again 22.09.51 # can you please check if you have permissions for raw disc access? You need it for the bootloader 22.10.09 # <_ntsn> how can i check this 22.10.23 # <_ntsn> net user: 22.10.24 # <_ntsn> Admin Administrator Amit 22.10.24 # <_ntsn> Guest HelpAssistant 22.10.29 # <_ntsn> im currently on 22.10.41 # <_ntsn> Admin Administrator Amit 22.10.41 # <_ntsn> Guest HelpAssistant 22.10.48 # <_ntsn> C:\>net user admin 22.10.55 Join dr_eh [0] (n=mr_eh@static-71-183-70-66.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) 22.11.00 # <_ntsn> Local Group Memberships *Administrators *Users 22.11.22 # _ntsn: Please use something like www.pastebin.ca for many line pastes 22.11.32 # <_ntsn> sorry for this, i will next time 22.11.42 # cheers :) 22.11.58 # <_ntsn> bluebrothers - how can i check those privileges? 22.12.58 # <_ntsn> bluebrother - how can i check those privileges? 22.13.29 # if you click on the start menu button, do you see your name? 22.13.39 # <_ntsn> yes i do.. 22.13.40 # <_ntsn> Admin 22.13.53 # then try "net user admin" 22.14.09 # <_ntsn> thats what i did 22.14.10 # and check for a line "Local Group Memberships" 22.14.17 # <_ntsn> C:\Program Files\Xscript_v10.0a>net user admin 22.14.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 22.14.27 # <_ntsn> Local Group Memberships *Administrators *Users 22.14.27 # <_ntsn> Global Group memberships *None 22.14.52 # <_ntsn> i know i have triple check those rights for terminal services.. 22.15.15 # <_ntsn> you can treat it like a constant - i HAVE admin privileges ;) 22.15.19 # do you have a hub between player and PC? 22.15.33 # or anything else but the stock cable? 22.15.46 # <_ntsn> nothing at all 22.15.56 # front USB connector? 22.16.00 # <_ntsn> this is a brand new (pretty old) 22.16.02 # <_ntsn> sansa 22.16.13 # <_ntsn> yes im plugging it with at the front pane 22.16.21 # ok, please try one at the back. 22.16.28 # <_ntsn> just a second 22.16.47 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.19.29 # <_ntsn> i have plugged it in again 22.19.32 # <_ntsn> whats now 22.19.42 # try autodetection again. 22.19.56 # <_ntsn> could not... 22.20.01 # <_ntsn> it doesnt work 22.20.03 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 22.20.18 # hmm. Now it's getting really strange. Can you check on a different PC? 22.20.32 # <_ntsn> hh 22.20.37 # <_ntsn> strange is good :) 22.20.48 # <_ntsn> let me see if i can 22.21.03 # <_ntsn> (its 11:23PM in israel..) 22.21.04 # well, there have been issues with semi-broken cables or front usb ports. 22.21.30 # but as you talked about a modded windows this could also act up. At least I could imagine it ;-) 22.21.37 # <_ntsn> umm 22.21.42 # <_ntsn> thats what i think is the problem 22.21.58 # <_ntsn> actually i have minified my winxp installation to 200mb :D 22.23.13 # <_ntsn> i have another machine to check this on it 22.23.27 # <_ntsn> you have an online pjirc or something? (i dont have irc there) 22.24.09 # rockbox.org/irc 22.24.14 # or use mibbit.com 22.25.48 Join Guest286 [0] (n=Guest286@bzq-79-183-224-147.red.bezeqint.net) 22.25.54 Nick Guest286 is now known as _ntsn2 (n=Guest286@bzq-79-183-224-147.red.bezeqint.net) 22.26.00 # <_ntsn2> im on the other machine 22.26.07 # <_ntsn2> bluebrother? 22.26.23 Join lolmaus [0] (i=lolmaus@83.167.114.28) 22.26.36 # yep. Any news? 22.27.23 # <_ntsn2> as the other machine - i have two drives: F and G 22.28.08 # that sounds more correct - the second is the microSD slot, it's even present when there's no card inserted 22.29.05 # <_ntsn2> im exectuing the rbutil 22.29.08 # <_ntsn2> again, its sais 22.29.12 # <_ntsn2> says 22.29.22 # <_ntsn2> configuration invalid blabla 22.29.29 # <_ntsn2> whats now bluebrother? 22.31.12 # <_ntsn2> well im selecting 22.31.22 # well, it's unsurprising the configuration is missing. Please go to the configuration dialog and check if autodetection detects the correct player 22.31.26 # <_ntsn2> complete installation again 22.31.45 # <_ntsn2> and boom, no sansa found 22.31.58 # _ntsn2: please try to keep sentences on one line 22.32.00 # <_ntsn2> it does NOT detects 22.32.30 # <_ntsn2> so im selecting sansa e200 and drive F 22.32.40 # ok. Going through it again: you administrator on that machine and that wxp isn't modded? 22.32.41 # <_ntsn2> then get back to complete, and boom, no sansa found 22.32.51 # sure. That's expected. 22.32.53 # <_ntsn2> this is winxp sp2 22.33.06 # <_ntsn2> and its not modded 22.33.09 # if autodetection doesn't find your player bootloader installation also won't do it. 22.33.15 Quit lolmaus () 22.33.21 # <_ntsn2> an d as usual - administrator privileges 22.33.36 # <_ntsn2> so where we are going from here.. 22.33.42 # _ntsn2: really now...please place complete thoughts on one line...the enter key is not a comma 22.33.43 # <_ntsn2> im starving for my rockbox :) 22.34.13 # it makes things much harder to read andmake it harder for us to help you 22.34.19 # well, in that case ... now going to the kitchen for some food? ;-) 22.34.31 # <_ntsn2> im understanding, i will keep it in lines 22.35.38 # <_ntsn2> umm feeding is not a part of my schedule right now (till it will work) 22.35.49 # <_ntsn2> any ideas from here? 22.36.01 # <_ntsn2> maybe it will help, the files on my sansa are: 22.36.18 # * bluebrother whispers "pastebin" 22.36.20 # Would trying sansapatcher help give some indication on what is wrong ? 22.36.45 # <_ntsn2> ./pmp_usb.ini ./version.sdk ./VERSION.TXT ./winamp_cache_0001.xml 22.36.51 # I don't think so but maybe it's worth a try. I don't think --verbose works on sansapatcher 22.38.20 # hmm, Rockbox definitely lacks a bmp viewer. 22.39.06 # It has one. It's called the While Playing Screen ;) 22.39.23 # <_ntsn2> bootloader: the same thing.. 22.39.32 # bluebrother: Well there's Rockpaint though, right? 22.39.53 # only on colour targets 22.40.33 # I just started having bmp files on my player (first color target in my collection) 22.40.52 # <_ntsn2> bluebrother - i dont think this situation is windows dependence, im getting back to my primary machine (winxp sp1 modded) 22.40.56 Quit _ntsn2 ("PJIRC forever!") 22.41.17 # it's kinda interesting to see how fast the "disc" in a flash player is. No wonder all those sansa-kids forget the issues with hdd based players ... 22.42.13 # <_ntsn> I am back.. 22.42.33 Quit Naked (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.42.58 # <_ntsn> blue - the flash is awsome thing.. i use it in some other things and its grea 22.42.59 # <_ntsn> great 22.43.02 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 22.44.05 # * bluebrother still likes the mini better 22.44.54 # * gevaerts wonders. Is there a lsusb like tool in windows ? 22.45.19 # hmm ... yep: usbview.exe. It's part of the DDK 22.45.50 # Maybe that can show if this sansa at least has the expected ids 22.46.32 # <_ntsn> umm blue 22.46.59 # <_ntsn> i have just went back from the kitchen with 2 icecold beers and some choclate 22.47.07 # <_ntsn> where we can go from here? 22.47.10 # <_ntsn> manual installation? 22.48.12 # <_ntsn> ggevaertss 22.49.07 # <_ntsn> bbluebrotherr 22.49.13 Join bascule_on_forum [0] (n=586cc914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ab799c73a762f23d) 22.49.37 # <_ntsn> i guess im alone here? 22.49.39 # If I wanted to make a plugin for rockbox ... how would I run it 22.49.48 # _ntsn: If neither sansapatcher nor rbutil can detect your player, you need to figure out what's different about it. 22.49.52 # could I run it from the data partition or would I have to reinstall rockbox 22.50.02 # _ntsn: you arent helping by doing that... 22.50.06 # _ntsn: But please, don't just ramble on to your self if nobody replies. Have some patience, not everyone can be here constantly 22.50.18 # <_ntsn> sorry for this 22.50.26 # If anyone's looking for something to commit, my manual updates are ready here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9086 22.50.30 # leachim6: Plugins are compiled against Rockbox, so you'd need to update your build to the new one with the plugin 22.50.46 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-105.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.50.53 # <_ntsn> Llorean: my sansa is e2xx and the version is: 22.51.18 # _ntsn: I didn't ask for that information 22.51.28 # <_ntsn> umm maybe thats the differ 22.51.32 # I'm not volunteering to help you, I'm busy right now. 22.51.39 # I said *you* need to figure out what's different about it. 22.51.41 # <_ntsn> okay, thanks anyway 22.52.10 # Llorean, couldn't I write some sort of loader plugin that loads plugins from the data partition ? 22.52.59 # <_ntsn> scorche|sh - you are free to help? i think i know the problem 22.53.17 # _ntsn: if you know the problem why not just name it? 22.53.26 # <_ntsn> cause im not sure this is it 22.53.26 # _ntsn: i am not...i am at work...if you know the problem then just say it and work on fixing it 22.53.44 # why didn't I build my usb id tool against release dlls? grrr. 22.54.00 # leachim6: Rockbox exists on the data partition. You just need to unzip a new rockbox.zip to the player, how is that more difficult than copying over a plugin? Perhaps you should investigate how rockbox plugins work first? 22.54.07 # <_ntsn> i have just found out that after running the complete, the big bang happens (sansa not found), then i open the root of my sansa and there is a .rockbox folder 22.54.25 # bascule_on_forum: maybe I'll take a look tomorrow or so. Currently working on updates to plugin button tables, want to get that in first 22.54.28 # <_ntsn> but its empty, maybe it has no permission to write things into it? 22.54.40 # _ntsn: I thought you were running it as admin 22.54.50 # <_ntsn> yes i do 22.54.51 # bascule_on_forum: is there something plugin related in your patches too? 22.54.57 # * BigBambi didn't think fat32 had permissions anyway 22.55.19 # _ntsn: file system messed up? out of disk space? 22.55.25 # <_ntsn> i see that the folder exists, but its empty, it may have only writing permission? 22.55.35 # you might want to run chkdsk /f on that drive 22.55.37 # Bagder: He can't install the bootloader, the tools aren't detecting his sansa 22.55.37 # <_ntsn> only creating folder permission* 22.55.43 # On fat32 ? 22.55.49 # _ntsn: v2 sansa? 22.55.52 # _ntsn, i am wondering what sansa firmware you have installed 22.55.59 # <_ntsn> bagder - i have no idea 22.56.01 # FAT32 only has a read only attribute. No permissions. 22.56.15 # _ntsn: what's the OF version of it? 22.56.26 # <_ntsn> advcomp2019 - i have NOT updated my sansa firmware since i bought it, the current version of my original sansa firmware is: 22.56.27 # rbutil should be able notifying the user of a v2 ... if autodetection is used. 22.56.40 # pixelma: thanks. No, none of my updates are plugin-related 22.56.41 # of course it's possible there are PIDs missing 22.56.51 # Bagder: no, he posted the fw version earlier. it's a v1. 22.56.59 # ah, ok I missed that 22.57.00 # <_ntsn> my version: 01.02.18A 22.57.13 # _ntsn: you tried using other usb ports in your computer? 22.57.18 # _ntsn: You worked out 1h40 ago that it was v1 with LambdaCalculus 22.57.26 # <_ntsn> at first i used the front-pane usb's 22.57.36 # <_ntsn> then i tried the ones at the back of the case 22.57.46 # Llorean, what rockbox files are on the data partition I couldn't find any (link please) 22.57.57 # <_ntsn> both gave the same error "sansa not found" and i couldnt detect it with the rbutil 22.58.08 # _ntsn: and does your OS detect the device and list it in some list somewhere of usb devices? 22.58.31 # leachim6: There is a .rockbox folder that contains them all 22.58.44 # leachim6: All of them but the bootloader, in a standard install... 22.58.51 # <_ntsn> yes it does, i can see my device at the usb devices 22.59.04 # <_ntsn> i can transfer music and others 22.59.32 # quit 22.59.35 # exit 22.59.43 # _ntsn: And it actually appears as a drive, not a folder? 22.59.55 # bascule_on_forum: you want a / in front of that quit :) 22.59.56 Quit bascule_on_forum ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 23.00.01 # <_ntsn> it apears as drive, not a folder 23.00.25 # <_ntsn> its listed under "devices with removable storage" on "my computer" 23.01.04 # <_ntsn> there are 2 drives - someone said some time ago that the second is for the microsf 23.01.05 # <_ntsn> sd 23.01.31 Quit dr_eh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.02.06 # <_ntsn> maybe its important: i bought this device about 2 or 3 years ago (israels dutyfree) 23.05.35 # how can I mount my iPod under linux without being root 23.06.19 # leachim6: That isn't really a rockbox question 23.06.42 # <_ntsn> well i think i ran out of ideas 23.06.54 # Nobody else knows 23.06.54 # <_ntsn> anyone have any leading? 23.07.00 # I'm sure some of you guys know 23.07.09 # <_ntsn> maybe the manual way? 23.07.12 # leachim6: that depends on your distribution. 23.07.21 Join kretender [0] (n=c@33-88.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch) 23.07.48 # leachim6: Yes, but it isn't a rockbox question 23.07.50 # <_ntsn> so umm bluebrother what is your suggestion from the current situation? (im running out of beers :D) 23.07.55 # This isn't a general support channel 23.08.08 # _ntsn: please, people will answer if they know 23.08.17 Part kretender 23.08.32 # <_ntsn> sorry im just curious about this 23.08.52 # <_ntsn> a friend of mine told me that it takes 3 minutes (which turned to 2 hours..) 23.09.20 # <_ntsn> bigbambi - you think that installing with the manual way would solve this? 23.09.26 # _ntsn: Sure, but this is a logged support and development channel. We would rather not have the logs filled up with people rambling to themselves 23.09.36 # I needed 2 minutes when I installed a few days back. 23.09.42 # _ntsn: I thought you had already tried sansapatcher? 23.10.16 # <_ntsn> what is sansapatcher? 23.10.17 # you can try running sansapatcher manually (hint: the manual tells this) but I don't think this will make a difference -- Rockbox Utility uses sansapatcher itself 23.10.29 # _ntsn: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 23.10.34 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.11.06 # <_ntsn> so we are stuck.. 23.11.25 # you can still try it. 23.11.28 # _ntsn: try sansapatcher, you never know 23.11.48 # <_ntsn> okay 23.11.55 # <_ntsn> i will try the manual way 23.12.11 # <_ntsn> what order of acts i have to follow? 23.12.14 # bluebrother: does using \begin{example} need something special, I keep getting "FancyVerb Error - Empty verbatim environment" though I copy-pasted it from the advanced topics part where it works 23.12.21 # _ntsn: please read the manual 23.12.55 # <_ntsn> im reading 23.13.12 # _ntsn: You don't need to tell us every little thing you are doing 23.13.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.40 # pixelma: there shouldn't be anything special 23.15.29 # ok, trying some things 23.15.39 # <_ntsn> bigbambi - there is a binary win32 version of sansapatcher out there? 23.15.50 # yes, the manual links to it. Please read it 23.15.57 # <_ntsn> oh i find it nvm 23.16.29 # so pretty much everything for rockbox is included right 23.16.34 # there are no extras 23.16.44 # You will want to install the fonts pack 23.16.44 # in the way of apps and codecs and plugins and such 23.16.48 # I got it 23.16.52 # in that case, no 23.16.53 # What would be the point of extras ? 23.16.58 # what is everyone's preferred theme ? 23.17.14 # leachim6: just look at them and decide for yourself 23.17.36 # can rockbox play mp4 audio ? 23.17.45 # .m4a 23.18.08 # leachim6: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs 23.18.29 # <_ntsn> bluebrother 23.18.46 # _ntsn: If you have another question, just ask 23.19.21 # <_ntsn> bigbambi 23.19.38 # <_ntsn> i have just copied the .rockbox, now im with the sansapatcher 23.19.53 # <_ntsn> i think it detected it correctly, im attaching the lines from it: 23.19.53 # <_ntsn> http://www.pastebin.ca/1050547 23.20.19 # right? 23.20.25 # What is the question? 23.20.29 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 23.20.30 # _ntsn: how many times must i ask you to not use the enter key so much and form complete thoughts on *one* line? 23.20.37 # <_ntsn> does it detecting it right? 23.20.41 # yes 23.20.45 # <_ntsn> thanks 23.21.01 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.21.03 # ffs, it says [INFO] e200 found - disk device 1 23.21.19 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 23.22.43 # <_ntsn> well thanks, i have just rebooted my sansa and it seems to work, the rockbox loaded successfuly 23.22.51 # good 23.22.58 # <_ntsn> im still intresting what was the problem 23.23.02 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 23.23.10 # <_ntsn> but as long as it working - it does not matter 23.23.28 # yes, it is very odd that rbutil didn't work as it uses the same code as sansapatcher 23.23.38 # and it worked fine for me for instance 23.24.28 # <_ntsn> bluebrother, BigBambi, gevaerts, LambdaCalculus37 thanks for the help guys, im really apperciate it, keep up the good work :) 23.24.38 # you are welcome 23.25.14 # <_ntsn> thanks 23.25.23 # maybe an old version of rbutil? 23.25.36 Join arohtar [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 23.28.37 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 23.31.58 # bluebrother: turns out, that the ! in the end of the line is the problem 23.33.39 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.133.93) 23.37.38 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.38.46 Quit faemir (Connection timed out) 23.40.34 Quit leachim6 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.56 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.50) 23.44.09 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 23.44.37 # we should consider getting a tech support IRC channel 23.45.12 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@99-203-160-122.area2.spcsdns.net) 23.45.29 # i'm tired of having 5 page long "how do i format my ipod" conversations in the logs 23.45.34 # they're dull and they obscure useful things 23.45.35 # <_ntsn> umm just to make sure: where i should put my MP3? 23.47.17 # somewhere where you find it. For example, not under the bed. 23.47.36 # <_ntsn> hehe 23.48.09 Join BlakeJohnson87 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.48.17 # saratoga: I agree with you. 23.48.18 # <_ntsn> bluebrother: thanks for the help, finally i tried the manual installation and the sansapatcher worked! 23.48.34 # <_ntsn> in which directory i should put my MP3's? 23.48.39 Quit ender` (" The two aspiring triangle peaks arching into an abstracted ‘M’ typified the progressive leadership-minded outlook of the co") 23.48.59 # _ntsn: anywhere you like 23.49.01 # as I said: not below the bed. Really, please RTFM first. The FAQ is also a good start ... 23.49.17 # <_ntsn> i am reading :D 23.51.43 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.52.04 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.52.13 # * shotofadds has good news and bad. 23.52.22 # saratoga: bluebrother: really?...last time i brought this up, it was thrown down quite quickly ;) 23.52.36 # the bad: I just deafened myself 23.52.48 # \o/ 23.52.54 # * Bagder makes the drumroll 23.52.56 # \o/ 23.53.05 # oi... hold yer knickers on 23.53.10 # the good: my D2 just played the first 10s of MGMT - Kids :-) 23.53.22 # at FULL BLAST through headphones :( 23.53.22 # congrats :) 23.53.26 # * scorche|sh awaits a mail on the list 23.53.35 # we need a Rockbox song for first plays ;-) 23.53.51 # Gentlemen, we have ... Kids playing? 23.53.59 # Bagder, LinusN and Zagor need to record a little anthem :) 23.54.11 # bluebrother: the badger badger badger "song"? =P 23.54.24 # heh.. there's a band called Rockbox isn't there? we should use them... 23.54.33 # hmm, is there some musician around at DCE? Make a DCE song :D 23.54.36 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.54.45 # maybe we can all sing along to some monty python song and have petur use his taping rig 23.54.46 # scorche|sh: a mail will come when I've figured out /why/ it works :p 23.54.54 # (sound of typing ;-) 23.54.57 # and committed stuff, fo course 23.55.16 # *of 23.55.25 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.55.27 # * bluebrother looks at the VirtualAlloc call in ipodio-w32.c and wonders why / how it works 23.56.34 # Only problem is I'm not sure how useful sound is, without a reliable filesystem driver... 23.57.20 # speaking of which.... preglow, any progress with the SD stuff? 23.58.10 # hrm...why is "Release a new VMWare development image?" on the DCE discussion agenda?...havent i already decided i was going to make one? 23.58.36 # and what's there to discuss about it? 23.58.51 # seems the wiki doesn't know about your decision (yet) ;-) 23.58.54 # indeed...nothing beyond what should be in a list on the wiki page