--- Log for 19.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.26 # i need to add a few devices on there as well...(assuming Zoll approves of me taking 16 DAPs with me on the trip) 00.01.54 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.02.12 # bluebrother: in case you know off the top of your head - is there something better (say more descriptive) to display an exclamation mark in the verbatim environment? I learned that using ! there has a special meaning and this was what a first quick search turned up (and worked btw.) 00.02.44 # err... I found "\symbol{33}" works 00.02.55 # doesn't \! work? 00.03.06 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.03.14 # no, I tried that 00.03.14 Quit doktoreas ("Konversation terminated!") 00.05.01 # I'm pretty sure that guy who came in here asking about the WMA codec never saw my reply about portability because it was burried under a lot of disk formating junk 00.05.44 # * amiconn wonders what's so bad about the exclamation mark 00.06.57 # bash doesn't like it (stumbled upon that several times when trying to use one in a commit message), and neither does latex iiuc (in certan cases at least) 00.07.15 Quit _ntsn ("As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.") 00.07.21 # ! is often "magic" in unix shells 00.07.54 # Yeah, but why does escaping not work as expected? Using \! inserts both characters, not just ! 00.08.07 # no, ! is often more magic than so 00.08.13 # Using ! alone makes bash complain about some signal stuff 00.08.56 # another reason to use an editor for commit messages ;-) 00.12.02 # * preglow hugs vim 00.12.45 # * bluebrother waits for the emacs guys ... 00.14.05 # * Bagder holds emacs on a stick in front of preglow 00.14.13 # * amiconn likes neither 00.14.21 Quit amiconn (" reboooot") 00.14.32 # that guy also uses windows so we won't listen to him ;-) 00.15.03 # * bluebrother is required to use windows at work but already came back using vim :) 00.15.49 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.134.50) 00.15.55 # * pixelma suggest to at least use windows in walls ;) 00.16.02 # *suggests too 00.17.20 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.17.58 Join Nickstuffinc [0] (n=nick@70-8-51-41.area4.spcsdns.net) 00.19.16 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.00 # has the emulator guy been around lately? 00.20.07 # i kind of wanted to talk to him 00.22.20 # I haven't seen much SoC students around here. Wouldn't it be better if they were more "integrated"? 00.23.15 # * scorche|sh has mentioned this before 00.24.06 # hmm, what's best practise regarding copyright info when I'm adding a header file only adding exports? Putting in the original author or myself? 00.24.43 # we could schedule GSOC meetings in the channel 00.25.12 # obviously not everyone at the same time, but at least mentor and student, and anyone else whos interested 00.25.21 # or who reads the logs 00.25.40 # saratoga: i would be happy even with weekly mails and more updates on wiki pages 00.27.24 Quit arohtar (Remote closed the connection) 00.28.38 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 00.29.07 # i'd prefer meeting in the channel because it allows other people to ask questions and give feedback 00.29.35 # right..i was giving an "at least" sort of comment 00.29.36 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7CF7.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.29.43 # ah 00.30.44 Quit Nickstuffinc ("Leaving") 00.31.48 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.33.47 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.39.31 Join ut2004player [0] (n=Miranda@82-44-249-152.cable.ubr05.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.39.44 # * shotofadds has some 'quality control' issues to work through, but will aim to do a commit and "Gentlemen..." email in the next couple of days. 00.39.46 # night all. 00.39.59 # night 00.40.54 # so what is this 'rockbox'? 00.41.59 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.14 # nvm... found link: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 00.42.35 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.44.03 # it does not seem to support psp? 00.47.00 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.47.09 # no, it does not. 00.47.21 # * preglow sees shotofadds too late 00.49.36 # well, thats lame. :/ 00.50.01 # no use for me then, laters. 00.51.27 Part ut2004player 00.56.29 Quit bluebrother ("night") 01.00.32 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.00.57 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad77401af3a9b8da) 01.02.16 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 01.07.50 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.13.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.49 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-165-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.22.26 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 01.23.10 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.25.28 # 235423 01.25.36 # my sd card powered on! 01.25.52 # * preglow hits head 01.26.38 # how long have you been working on that 01.26.51 # not as long as it seems, i've had a pretty long rockbox break now 01.27.42 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-23-148-45.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 01.28.19 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 01.28.20 # nice D2 progress this evening, congrats! :) 01.28.25 # long break from computers in general, actually 01.28.50 # pixelma: well, don't congrat too soon, i'll probably run into more trouble :) 01.28.59 # but i'll try to read some data from the sd card tomorrow, or at least in not long 01.29.31 # heh, but one step in the right direction 01.29.44 Quit CyBergRind|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.29.47 # having the card reporting it's actually powering up is kind of significant, yeah :) 01.31.11 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.31.16 # shotofadds: for the logs, gpioc pin 24 was indeed the key, it needs to be low for the card to power up properly 01.31.43 # god knows why, but there it is 01.35.04 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4327b829fb2e9fd1) 01.35.41 Join PRINCESS_FLUFF [0] (n=princess@modemcable155.196-70-69.mc.videotron.ca) 01.35.53 # Yay, my 8 gig SDHC card worked perfectly with a Sansa e200 8 gig 01.36.05 # And I paid only 40$ for it 01.38.43 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 01.39.50 # ok... 01.47.00 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE0013464a03d5-CM00111ae6c2c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.47.18 Quit wpyh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.16 Join wpy1 [0] (n=william@th245022.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 01.48.20 # "this is a macpod, rockbox doesn't work on this. Convert it to winpod" how? 01.48.32 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.48.34 # reformat the drive? 01.48.40 # Galois: more than that 01.48.45 # there is a page on the wik 01.48.47 # adamgolding: what operating system do you run? 01.48.48 # *wiki 01.50.43 # vista 01.50.47 # vist32 ultimate 01.50.59 # adamgolding: then "restore" in itunes if you can 01.51.12 # ohi've never used itunes with it, lol 01.51.56 # alternatively, you can search for the conversion wiki page 01.52.13 # i dont' see an option for that in itunes 01.53.00 # i'm sure iTunes has a help menu 01.53.13 # hmm now my ipod just says 'do not disconnect' constantly despite all ipod realted progs being closed 01.53.23 # i have never used itunes, so i couldnt tell you where it would be...use the help menu or google 01.53.31 # keep in mind this will wipe the drive 01.54.49 # np, new ipod 01.55.28 # Buschel: since the 5G is slow, yes I think it needs to be boosted too. 01.55.50 # Buschel: I've just tried boosting the CPU, and the GUI is very fast now with the boost :) so I think it's needed here. 01.56.40 # Buschel: Also, I've tried running the bubbles game. normally, it's very slow on the 5.5G. but with the CPU boost I'm able to run it smoothly. 01.56.56 # Buschel: the way I did it was manually boost the CPU :p 01.57.56 # Buschel: and I think it would be better to have multiple steps. like maybe 24 MHz -> 50 MHz -> 80 MHz. this way we can/may be able to achieve some kind of balance (if it's possible at all to have multiple frequency steps) 01.58.00 Part PRINCESS_FLUFF 01.58.12 Nick wpy1 is now known as wpyh (n=william@th245022.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 01.58.14 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.58.40 # Buschel: by the way, I don't know why my nick became wpy1... but you know it's me (just noticed now and changed it) 01.59.27 Quit conley ("Leaving.") 02.01.07 Quit inversions (Connection timed out) 02.01.28 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 02.01.49 # wpyh: the only speeds allowed are idle, normal and boosted, so having multiple steps is out 02.02.09 # saratoga: what's the difference between idle and normal? 02.02.29 Join fleebailey33 [0] (n=Andy@unaffiliated/fleebailey33) 02.02.33 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-48e8a3c7bd861967) 02.02.41 # no idea 02.02.59 # presumably its less then 30MHz though 02.03.05 # 24mhz I think 02.03.21 # Slower on the Coldfire targets, iirc. 02.03.41 # well, so Buschel patch would make idle == normal? 02.03.57 # Speaking of that 02.04.16 # I do wonder how the WPS scrolling looks at 24mhz. 02.04.20 # idle should probably be lowered if its 24MHz 02.04.36 # saratoga: I think there's a reason it's 24mhz, but I'm not sure what it is. 02.05.20 # btw, is the allowed speeds being idle, normal and boosted limitation being a hardware limitation or rockbox? 02.05.26 # Regarding the 24mhz unboosted speed, even when boosting during UI use, I'm concerned that it'll be visible when the CPU boosts/unboosts with WPS scrolling, alternating sublines, etc. 02.05.36 # wpyh: Rockbox design choice. 02.05.57 # well, then can I suggest a more flexible design of multiple steps? 02.06.13 # what use would that be? 02.06.37 # so that we can boost the CPU and get the necessary speed, but without wasting too much power 02.06.44 # IIRC we can clock the PP chips at 16MHz now, I think Buschel actually posted flac benchmarks doing that 02.07.01 # wpyh: Uhm... if you boost faster, you spend less time boosted, so you don't actually waste more power boosting to 80mhz than you would, say, at 60 02.07.02 # the boost counter would act as the variable/parameter 02.07.28 # Llorean: that's for purely cpu-dependent audio playback IMO 02.07.41 # Which is one of the few places boosting is really used... 02.07.42 # for scrolling, we can boost just to 50MHz for example 02.08.00 # wpyh: thats not worth it, compared to back light, boost uses no power at all 02.08.00 # Or for scrolling we can have an "unboosted" speed adequate for it. 02.08.13 # Llorean: then for plugins? 02.08.28 # Plugins that boost also do so for good reason 02.08.56 # In them, you'll have the backlight on, draining vastly more power than being boosted does, as saratoga has pointed out 02.08.59 # saratoga: you mean the cpu boost uses less delta power than lcd? 02.09.06 # Backlight is not LCD 02.09.15 # uh, yeah I mean backlight, sorry 02.09.15 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.09.16 # :p 02.09.20 # wpyh: you kidding? 02.09.20 # It's an important difference. 02.09.46 # yeah... I'm used to refer to lcd and backlight as one thing 02.09.50 # yes lights use order of magnitude more power then boosting a CPU 02.09.52 # need to pay more attention ;) 02.09.59 Part fleebailey33 ("(Quit Terminal) --Enter Life") 02.10.13 # well in that case it's not worth it then, sorry 02.10.15 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.10.29 # maybe someone would find this idea useful though, 02.10.36 # but let's save it for another time 02.10.59 # (the idea is to select the boosted speed based on the boost counter) 02.11.10 # yes we know you've said so a few times 02.11.45 # Llorean: anyway, I would like to eventually lower the core clock speed, so having some sort of gui boosting would be nice 02.11.50 # The boost counter is meaningless relative to the total amount of speed needed anyway 02.12.21 # i think if properly implemented it would save power for many users and improve responsiveness at no real cost 02.12.30 # boost: 1 can mean "the CPU can barely, barely keep up because we're decoding .APE here" while boost: 3 can mean "I'm playing jewels, buffering, and the PCM buffer got ever so slightly low while playing FLAC" 02.12.32 # of course "properly implemented" is the tricky part 02.12.38 # saratoga: but that is in effect having multiple speeds... 02.12.58 # wpyh: yes multiple as in 2 speeds 02.13.09 # Llorean: in that case, the APE codec should try to up the boost counter by 3 02.13.15 # that's what I mean ;) 02.13.23 # saratoga: My concern with regard to lowering the normal speed, as I said, is WPS when the user is not interacting. Scrolling, alternating sublines, peakmeters, etc, all need to be just as responsive whether the CPU is boosted or not, so there needs to be enough speed there to keep them updating (in my opinion) 02.13.28 # yes and what we mean is thats not how it works 02.13.32 # saratoga: well... might as well use the multiple boost... 02.13.39 # uh... 02.13.45 # * wpyh needs to study boost_counter 02.13.58 # you could just read Lloreans explination of how it works 02.14.05 # wpyh: That would be ridiculous to keep track of. As optimizations go in for the codec, as the UI gets faster and slower, etc, etc, it would be impossible to keep track of how many boost counts any given situation appropriately needs. 02.14.58 # LLorean: on many PP targets if the back light is off the screen doesn't need to be updated 02.15.16 # actually its pretty much all PP targets except the Ipods I think 02.15.30 # well, I'm reading it now but I still don't quite understand 02.15.40 # saratoga: Well, that's H10 and e200, c200 and M;robe that don't then 02.15.56 # While iPod 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, Video, Nano, Mini 1G and Mini 2G all can be seen without backlight. 02.16.21 # * wpyh would hate the wps to freeze on his ipod video if the backlight is off 02.16.36 # I don't think the WPS would freeze at 24MHz 02.16.39 # wpyh: I doubt it'd freeze, and in fact it probably wouldn't be noticeable for many WPSes 02.16.44 # ok, grepping the source (and reading system.c), I found out that boost is controlled by calling cpu_boost() 02.16.59 # its mostly just menus that are sensitive to clock speed right? 02.17.02 # Llorean: what I mean is not updating the screen while the backlight is off :p 02.17.04 # saratoga: I'm not against GUI boosting, in fact I like the idea. I just think it needs to be tuned somehow so WPS updates get enough priority. 02.17.29 # Llorean: then up the priority for the wps or... use multiple boost levels ;) 02.17.51 # wpyh: Please shut up about the idea. Neither of the two of us like it, and we don't need you to continue pitching it at us. 02.17.52 # so for example, the APE codec would run cpu_boost(true);cpu_boost(true);cpu_boost(true); 02.18.08 # wpyh: how about you go away 02.18.15 # saratoga: Mainly menus, yes. 02.18.17 # * wpyh puts on his flameproof suit 02.18.41 # well, ok, I'll go away for now 02.18.51 # maybe my idea was not so good, so I'll rethink it 02.18.52 # and menus only matter if the buttons are in use 02.19.06 # so some sort of GUI boosting should be possible 02.19.44 # Though I've never seen peakmeters on a 5G 02.19.47 # compared to back light boosting is pretty cheap, so even a long boost time out would probably be more then compensated for by the lower core clock speed, particularly if we ever get faster codecs 02.20.04 # Well for menus, the boost timeout can be very, very quick 02.20.15 # boost when a button is pressed, unboost if nothing has been pressed for half a second. 02.20.22 # peakmeters don't lag at all on the e200 at 30MHz, but it also has a very fast screen so I don't know 02.20.27 # It's not like there's any reason to keep it boosted when the UI isn't moving. 02.20.41 # thats true 02.21.02 # My original thought was that it can be tied to the backlight, but that's not suited for blind users. And there's no reason to make it wait even that long. 02.21.35 # do blind users need GUI boosting ? 02.21.46 # I have no idea how CPU intensive the voice interface is 02.21.54 # Well, but they still need to scroll long lists. 02.22.09 # And whether the screen is being looked at or not, if scrolling is laggy it's laggy. 02.23.00 # is lag noticable though if you have to wait for the UI to speak anyway? (i've never used voice) 02.23.42 # I guess it depends if the voice is in synch with gui updates 02.23.44 # I don't know, honestly. I don't have a suitably laggy target. 02.24.01 # But I imagine if you're scrolling a long list, you'll just be listening to fractions of noises 02.24.12 # "Ay...Bee....Cha....Ho..." 02.24.16 # yeah i kind of want to try a 5G, the e200 is quite quick 02.24.37 # The faster you can interrupt, skip a few, and hear a syllable, the better. 02.24.43 # ah i see 02.24.47 # At least in my mind. 02.25.09 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-36d9cf46aae561d1) 02.25.13 # regardless i think you're right that it doesn't make sense to sync it to the back light anyway on a lot of targets 02.25.20 # Yeah 02.26.32 # I wonder how much the WPS itself can be optimized. 02.26.47 # Weren't there significant differences in battery time if players were left in the menu instead of the WPS? 02.26.53 # yes there were 02.27.05 # i think Buschel said on the 5G the WPS screen used something like 2MHz 02.27.28 # And WPS optimization would benefit every codec at once. 02.27.53 Join [1]cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.27.58 # true, though saving a 1MHz (optimistically) is not going to make a big difference 02.28.29 # I suppose the most obvious thing to do would be to update the WPS less frequently if the back light is off 02.29.10 # actually i never really understood why the WPS used so much CPU time 02.29.31 # is it just continually redrawing a couple times a second even if nothing changes? 02.29.37 # Without scrolling lines and a peakmeter, it should only update once per second, right? 02.29.40 # And even then, only partially? 02.30.00 # i think so, though i don't know how any of this works 02.30.37 # You were working on getting profiling working again, weren't you? 02.30.48 # i spent a while on it but eventually gave up 02.30.53 # Ah wel 02.30.58 # i don't really understand how the process works 02.31.10 # so it ended up being easier just commenting out functions and taking a before/after benchmark 02.31.15 # Hah 02.31.22 # It was lostlogic who put it together initially? 02.31.34 # i don't know where it came from 02.31.52 # Buschel: regarding my idea about testing playback with one single song to eliminate disk issues / pio mode / etc 02.32.16 # eventually I want to ask the emulator guy if he can send me an arm VM with linux or something on it, then I can make a Rockbox as An App and hopefully profile that way 02.33.57 # Buschel: if now we use an mp3 file big enough to fill almost the entire buffer (like maybe 50MB on the 80GB model with 64MB RAM), will it read the song part by part from the disk and use the maximum available memory to buffer the pcm, or will it buffer the file and decode every time? 02.34.25 # Buschel: for RB I think it will buffer the file and decode every time right? 02.34.37 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet20.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 02.34.44 # the PCM buffer is pretty small 02.34.54 # There's no sense wasting a lot of space on PCM buffer. 02.34.55 # it has to be since PCM is so huge 02.37.28 # Though I do think it still rebuffers ever time, which is no good. 02.42.19 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.43.22 # I guess that's the case 02.43.40 # since reading from disk takes a long time and uses much power 02.43.48 Join adsklj [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.44.06 # well, in that case I think I can proceed with that idea 02.44.22 # this will eliminate disk activity from the final runtime 02.44.37 # uh, not entirely eliminate, but at least minimize it 02.44.38 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.48.42 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2cb8a8ffb9ce937c) 02.52.15 # one other thing: when comparing between the OF and RB, should I use the Database in RB? 02.52.20 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 02.52.26 # hmm i'm kind of worried, the rockbock utility has been 'not responding' for 10 minutes 02.53.06 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 02.53.17 Nick adsklj is now known as adamgolding (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.53.53 Join conley [0] (n=ibcliffo@spode.cs.vt.edu) 02.55.39 Quit conley (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.55.44 Join conley [0] (n=ibcliffo@spode.cs.vt.edu) 02.56.55 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 02.58.00 # and here is a weird thing: when starting to play a file (17 MB 320kbps mp3), there is disk activity for ~ 15 seconds. does this mean that the read speed of the disk (CF card) is 1 MB/s? 02.58.12 # I mean, could it be that slow? 03.01.10 Quit m0f0x_ (Client Quit) 03.01.19 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-13-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) 03.04.08 # Buschel: also, do you know how the volume level is calibrated? A -30dB setting on my Video is equivalent to A -35dB setting on my Nano 03.05.08 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.07.05 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCED7B.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.08.17 # is there file management on the device? deleting files? 03.09.10 Quit conley ("Leaving.") 03.09.19 Join conley [0] (n=ibcliffo@spode.cs.vt.edu) 03.10.07 # wastrel: This is covered in the manual 03.10.43 # wpyh: Volume is hardware dependent, it's handled by the codec chip. 03.13.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.24.04 Part pixelma 03.24.59 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.27.52 Quit lawsuit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.29.07 Join lawsuit [0] (n=vain@adsl-75-45-219-32.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.31.03 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.02.26 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.05.19 Quit simonrvn (Nick collision from services.) 04.05.26 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.11.54 # Unixnut: I don't see a success or failure in the irc logs 04.12.16 # Unixnut: please post your results here so we know what's the issue. Thanks :) 04.12.42 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 04.13.01 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 04.24.02 # is there a way to do sync with rockbox? 04.24.19 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8caa7a454e0221df) 04.27.25 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.31.32 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.32.17 Quit simonrvn (Nick collision from services.) 04.32.18 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.34.39 Join adsklj [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 04.36.02 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 04.36.09 Nick adsklj is now known as adamgolding (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 04.36.51 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 04.37.40 Nick simonrvn is now known as simonrvn____ (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.37.49 Nick simonrvn____ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.40.06 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF69E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.40.30 Quit pabs (Nick collision from services.) 04.40.33 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 04.41.18 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.44.14 Join B-Dawk20 [0] (n=Sora@pool-96-245-127-102.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) 04.45.06 # hey I'm having some issues with the iTunesDBtoTagCache program 04.45.22 # I am just really confused about the whole process and I don't know what I'm doing wrong 04.48.21 # guess nobody is here... 04.49.19 # B-Dawk20, just hold on 04.49.29 # oh ok thank you 04.50.41 # not everyone is at their computers or awake right now 04.50.50 Quit simonrvn (Nick collision from services.) 04.50.50 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.51.26 # I guess that is true. I just figured someone might be here since it is a bigger irc channel(tho I've seen much bigger). 04.54.11 # B-Dawk20, you don't need that program. rockbox generates its own database, assuming your metadata is correct. 04.54.40 # Well see here is my issue 04.54.45 # that part isn't working 04.55.15 # It trys to initilize, then asks to reboot. I reboot and then it tells me to do it again 04.55.40 # I have a thread up and I'd figure I would try this until I get some more responses 04.55.53 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.55 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 04.56.12 # When I tried this, I just seemed to fail at even following the directions 04.56.43 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0cd00250a1bcd882) 05.07.37 # krazykit how does one sync files with the rockbox device? 05.07.45 # i.e. have it automatically sync when plugging in the device? 05.08.36 # adamgolding, depends on how you set it up. rockbox devices just show up as mass storage devices. you can sync it how you want 05.09.04 # ok but i imagine most file sync programs won't notice when the device is connected and do it automatically 05.09.23 # not really a rockbox issue. 05.11.02 # hrm, so rockbox has no particular functional built-in for this? 05.11.17 # no. 05.11.22 # and the rockbox database isn't set to interact with otehrs, say the foobar2000 database etc? 05.11.49 # also no. 05.11.56 # ok, just checking. 05.12.22 # nevertheless, i imagine some rockbox users have already found some convienient solutions for this. how do you do it? just move everything manually in explorer? 05.13.04 # i use rsync in linux. i wouldn't know what windows people use. 05.13.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.13.45 # ah 05.14.30 # k thanks for the info 05.15.38 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.18.33 # Ok since I found out why this itunesdbtotagcache isn't working I'll change my focus to the database issue im having. 05.19.23 # When I build the database from the ipod itself and it asks me to reboot, it starts by committing 1/9 then from there it stops and then tells me to do the whole thing again 05.19.26 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-09a637e2679c428b) 05.19.48 # I'm then left with some temporary tcg file that I can't do a thing with. 05.23.11 # at this point(about 6 hours with rockbox) I'm just tempted to use ephpod and rip all my music from my ipod then just put it in a random folder in the root and go from there 05.23.40 # I wanna use rockbox badly....but this issue is just too frustrating to get past ~_~ 05.23.59 # B-Dawk20, it might be choking on one of your files. you could put half of them on your DAP, see if you can initialize the database, if you can, put on the other half. then do half of that, continue til you find the file 05.24.29 # DAP? 05.24.39 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.25.06 # digital audio player 05.25.11 # ipod. whatever. 05.25.19 # oh lol just wiki'd 05.25.34 # Hmm that is a lot of files... 05.25.44 # oh well. 05.26.45 Quit adamgolding () 05.28.55 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ba6733e9d812a604) 05.30.40 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 05.45.10 # Ok so here is my plan. I'm going to copy about 4GB of space on my ipod and send it to my hard drive. I'll delete that stuff from my ipod, then copy all the info left onto a directory on my ipod 05.45.39 # From there, I will delete all the stuff from the itunes directory and I'll never need to initialize again 05.45.56 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.46.02 # oh and bring back the stuff from the hard drive as well 05.48.09 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 05.53.37 Quit csc` ("10.23.07: Never forget") 06.02.13 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d9ab-CM001371142bc8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.03.01 # i've got an ipod 80gb. is there a way to have rockbox keep playing music when i plug it in to charge? 06.03.03 # B-Dawk20: are you on a windows xp? 06.03.18 # adamgolding: hold down menu as you plug the cable in. 06.13.34 Join adsklj [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.18.04 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 06.20.17 Quit DataGhost (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.20.25 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 06.20.34 Join sgfsdfgsdfg [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.20.35 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 06.20.38 Nick sgfsdfgsdfg is now known as adamgolding (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.22.31 # when i hold the menu button down when pluggin in the cable, windows complains that it can't find the driver and it doesn't show up in explorer. is it not possible to add musci while listening to the ipod? 06.23.19 # not at this stage. 06.23.38 # rockbox has not USB mode for ipods, and that won't be possible regardless 06.23.52 # you can't have 2 things accessing the disk like that 06.24.45 # ok 06.32.43 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3007.gwdg.de) 06.33.54 Join sgfsdfgsdfg [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.34.12 # "itunes has detected an ipod in recovery mode" 06.34.29 # "you msut restore this ipod before it can be used with itunes" 06.34.45 # i tunes wasn't even open and it opened itself and says this each time 06.34.57 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 06.35.02 Nick sgfsdfgsdfg is now known as adamgolding (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.36.40 Quit adsklj (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.37.11 # <[1]cool_walking_> adamgolding, iTunes has a service that runs in the background. 06.38.07 # <[1]cool_walking_> What's the problem? 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I just installed rockbox using the rbutil 07.24.13 # how do I fix this? 07.25.04 # hfsplus, sounds like you installed only the bootloader. 07.25.23 # well, I hit install all 07.25.29 # hm, so d/l and install the rockbox.zip? 07.26.00 # you could. check your ipod's root directory for a .rockbox directory containing rockbox.ipod 07.26.41 # ahh fixedx 07.26.45 # that was very odd 07.28.57 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.29.55 # thanks krazykit 07.33.42 Quit MarcGuay ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.34.24 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 07.34.56 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.48.05 Quit toffe82 ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 07.48.42 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3C8AE.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.53.11 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 07.54.41 # wpyh/saratoga/Llorean: about your clocking discussion last night -> setting normal clock to 24MHz isn't that bad for WPS with scrolling etc. Main issue i have on my 5G is sluggishness when scrolling in menus and folders. 07.56.18 # this can be solved via the "gui-boost" on button activity. but the gui-boost solution is not elegant when you are using games for example. the cpu will boost/unboost on each button activity -- wil get quite jumpy :-) 07.56.40 # maybe the gui-boost should only be active when browsing in menus and/or folders... 07.58.29 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-133.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 07.58.51 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 07.58.57 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.59.02 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 07.59.05 # i could clearly see issues with WPS-scrolling when using normal clocks @12 or @15MHz 07.59.10 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3007.gwdg.de) 08.01.01 # to sum it up: changing normal clock from 30->24MHz shouldn't visibly affect gui on most targets (except 5G). but the change will bring ~2mA possible savings for flac/mpc. 08.01.30 # for the 5G there needs to be solution found which can boost the CPU while browising 08.01.37 # *browsing 08.02.14 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host71-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.02.18 # the gui-boost in FS#8668 is just a first attempt 08.02.26 # B-Dawk20: please check if your filesystem is corrupt 08.05.37 Quit asdsadf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.05.49 Join asdsadf [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 08.10.30 Quit gevaerts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.11.22 # Buschel: What's needed is proper optimisation of mono bitmap drawing in the 16 bit lcd driver 08.13.14 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.14.02 # amiconn: when checking the LCDFrameRate page i can see that all targets (excpet 5G) have quite good framerates even @24MHz 08.17.08 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 08.17.26 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.17.37 # 30 fps isn't that bad 08.18.34 # amiconn: but the ui feels sluggish (menu + folder browsing) -- maybe there's another reason... 08.18.34 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.18.43 # And the mono bitmap drawing is a known problem: Try to scroll 2 large folders, one containing files with short filenames, one containing files with very long filenames (preferably covering the complete line) 08.19.09 # See the difference? That can't be caused by the refresh, because the refresh is the same in both cases 08.19.34 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-238-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 08.20.00 # It's just that I (still) didn't start optimising because doing it properly also needs a performance test plugin, which I've been too lazy to write so far :/ 08.20.50 # amiconn: i'll check with short and long filenames. so, the mono bitmap drawing does the drawing of the text lines? 08.21.57 # Yes. Every glyph is a mono bitmap 08.22.31 # and the high resolution of the display and the use of smaller fonts (on 5G) slow the ui down that much... 08.22.36 # This does in fact affect all colour targets, it's just most visible on G5 because of the combination of a large lcd with relatively slow cpu 08.22.53 # ok, understood 08.23.18 # I still suspect that an optimisation done by the early gigabeat f/x porters slows things down... but that needs the test plugin as well 08.23.36 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.24.08 Quit asdsadf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.24.08 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE0013464a03d5-CM00111ae6c2c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 08.24.18 # so, if this drawing could be optimized, changing the normal clock to somewhere <30MHz could be working well? 08.27.25 # gotta go to work, see you 08.27.27 Quit Buschel () 08.28.32 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCCF0.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.33.01 Join asdsadf [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645e8d1-CM0012c9ab589a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 08.39.51 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@141.71.76.35) 08.41.58 Join FuriousGeorge [0] (n=brian@ool-457f216e.dyn.optonline.net) 08.42.13 # this may be the coolest open source project since linux 08.43.47 # FuriousGeorge: even cooler :-) 08.44.05 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.45.55 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.46.00 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 08.46.43 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.48.18 # so how many years before our code base is as large as linux's ? ;) 08.50.37 # Oh and thanks for everyone who tried to help and no, nothing was corrupt or wrong about my ipod. I back up almost all my music so I decided to delete it all, and just do the copy/paste method so I never have this database issue 08.52.24 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.55.15 Quit asdsadf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.57.35 Join asdsadf [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d9ab-CM001371142bc8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 09.05.46 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.07.47 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.08.07 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.09.11 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.09.23 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.13.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.19.15 Quit simonrvn ("bbiab") 09.32.41 Quit advcomp2019 (Connection reset by peer) 09.33.38 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.39.09 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.40.12 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.32 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 09.47.21 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-314c91a3b7c19465) 09.48.22 Join mihaicapota [0] (n=mihaicap@89.137.224.5) 09.50.22 # Hello! I just registered on the wiki as MihaiC and I'd like to upload an FM presets list for my city, Bucharest 09.51.33 # mihaicapota: unfortunately you appear to have missed the naming convention we ask people to use on the Wiki 09.52.20 # Could you check it again, and perhaps re-register with your name in the right format? And then someone here can grant you write permissions... 09.52.42 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.54.33 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.58.48 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 10.01.37 # I tried to register with my name, Mihai Capotă, which I use on Wikipedia and other places, but because of the diacritic letter I got an error. 10.01.37 # I missread the error message and registered with the single letter last name 10.01.37 # As I can't use my full last name, what do you suggest I should do? 10.02.01 # How about "Mihai Capota"? 10.03.08 # It's true that I use mihaicapota as a nickname, but that's not my last name. 10.05.56 # close enough? 10.06.20 # * GodEater is somewhat surprised twiki chokes on this character 10.06.47 # close, but no cigar 10.07.40 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-133.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.21.41 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.22.03 # there is a patch that makes twiki handle diacritics better, but as a short-term solution, i suggest you register with your full name, but set the wikiname to MihaiCapota 10.22.08 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 10.22.18 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.22.28 # we can rename it later after a twiki upgrade 10.22.52 # (or at least LinusN can) 10.22.55 # ok, that works for me 10.25.29 # I registered as MihaiCapota 10.25.54 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 10.26.53 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 10.26.58 # mihaicapota: ok, you should have write permission now 10.28.05 # sorry for all the trouble, but we had some problems in the past with bots spaming our wiki 10.28.58 # no trouble, but you should upgrade the wiki to allow unicode names 10.29.48 # we need that anyway for all the chinese people who join after the meizu port ;) 10.30.21 # Yes. That's why we're not working hard on the meizu port right now 10.30.42 # * gevaerts finally found an excuse ;) 10.30.59 # :) 10.31.31 # gevaerts: I hope we can make a least a little progress during devcon.. 10.31.34 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d98f-CM0012c90feb0c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 10.33.29 # markun: we can at least try :) 10.34.05 # after the h300 bootloader debugging... ;) 10.34.45 # * gevaerts guesses that these actually involve different people 10.35.19 # probably.... I'd really like jhMikeS to be there... 10.36.04 # would be nice to meet in person anyway 10.36.20 # indeed 10.38.11 # Can Rockbox play ogg theora video, or only mpeg? 10.38.15 # I uploaded the preset for Bucharest 10.38.27 # mihaicapota: thanks! 10.38.33 # hfsplus: only mpeg1 and mpeg2 10.38.47 # * LinusN has built a TBLCF BDM adapter 10.38.48 # Ahh curses. 10.39.04 # * hfsplus wants a pmp that can do ogg theora video 10.39.24 # * gevaerts hands hfsplus a compiler and the theora specs 10.39.27 # hfsplus: our wiki page on the mpegplayer plugin has a decent guide on how to transcode though 10.39.44 # gevaerts: lol 10.39.54 # GodEater: allrighty, I shall check it out. 10.43.20 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-142-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 10.43.44 Quit asdsadf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.48.56 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2141.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.52.49 Quit [1]cool_walking_ (" ...") 10.53.18 # I found another unicode-related problem with the wiki. 10.53.19 # First I uploaded a file named București.fmr (that is the Romanian name) and it appeared as Bucure#537ti.fmr; I then uploaded Bucharest.fmr which is now on the presets page. 10.53.19 # However, I can't delete the first attachment: "During move of attachment Bucure to . an error was found. Please notify your TWiki administrator. Attachment does not exist". It seems that the wiki truncates the name to "Bucure". 10.53.19 DBUG Enqueued KICK mihaicapota 10.53.19 # I'm sure there's not much you can do about it, but I thought you should no nevertheless as I see there are other non-ASCII file names. For example, the following link isn't working http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/FmPresetsEurope/N%C3%BCrnberg-Nuremberg.fmr 10.54.39 # hmm... works for me 10.55.52 # but maybe because the website is in latin-1 for me 10.57.19 # I tried Firefox, Opera and wget. 10.57.19 # not working here.... 10.58.48 # as a test you could try changing the encoding settings in e.g. Firefox to "Western (ISO-8859-1)" 10.59.11 # it already is 10.59.26 # weird 11.00.06 # It's also "Western (ISO-8859-1)" here 11.00.15 # must be the irc client 11.00.23 # ie the encoding of the url 11.00.49 Join axionix__ [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 11.00.54 # well, I tried the link from the page not from the IRC client 11.01.03 # N%C3%BCrnberg looks like encoded utf8 that was misparsed as latin1 to me 11.02.00 Join asdsadf [0] (n=addy@CPE0013464a03d5-CM00111ae6c2c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 11.02.07 # yes, the errormessage ff gives me is utf 11.02.58 # I can't open it from the wiki page either (I tried bith utf8 and latin1) 11.03.22 # besides - the naming of the file is a bit stupid because it's saying Nuremberg twice... 11.12.57 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.13.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.23.30 Join cendres [0] (n=ashes@70.80.78.123) 11.28.39 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 11.30.13 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 11.34.00 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.34.43 Part LinusN 11.38.32 Quit ashes (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.40.11 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.169) 11.41.34 Quit asdsadf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.41.53 Join asdsadf [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d969-CM000f9fa62b04.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 11.44.21 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-405441.home.otenet.gr) 11.52.26 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.54.34 Join inversions [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.58.45 Join VoltageX [0] (n=irc@220-253-116-217.ACT.netspace.net.au) 11.59.08 # what is required to start a new rockbox port? 11.59.26 # skill and time 11.59.32 # and a target 11.59.34 # time I have 11.59.39 # skills I don't 11.59.43 # targets I have 11.59.44 # :P 11.59.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort 12.00.05 # would 2 or more iRiver E100s supplied to developers help? 12.00.09 Join MTee [0] (n=mtarek16@41.233.152.103) 12.00.30 # I doubt it 12.00.36 # well damn. 12.00.43 # we have a large amount of ports in the queue already 12.00.50 # ok 12.00.52 # I can wait 12.01.02 # Most developers already have their personal stash of players that they want a port for 12.01.13 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 12.01.13 # * preglow looks at his d2 12.01.27 # So new devices often require (and get) new developers 12.01.31 # ok, wonder how many years it would take me to develop the skills to port -_- 12.01.55 # VoltageX: others have taken that path and done good work 12.01.58 # Depends on what "no skills" means in your case 12.02.11 # and depends on how much of your time you want to devote to it 12.02.15 # gevaerts: basic C 12.02.33 # GodEater: I really really really want to learn C, so that part isn't too bad 12.03.09 # and I guess I'd need some amazing skills to write a bootloader... 12.04.37 # but at least the target is nice and cheap - $90AUD 12.04.57 # * MTee wants to know the answer to VoltageX's question 12.05.16 # MTee which question? 12.05.53 # about the time needed to be able to port 12.05.54 # Start by reading the NewPort page that PaulJam linked to. There is a lot to be done before even thinking about the bootloader 12.06.12 # gevaerts: yeah but that part scares me the most :P 12.07.14 # VoltageX: the bits about disassembling are usually the scary parts. There are real risks there 12.07.29 # MTee: there isn't an answer to that question - it's not quantifiable. 12.07.50 # gevaerts: I'll be buying 2 of these units 12.08.30 # the one I have now is precious 12.08.31 # :D 12.08.45 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 12.09.05 # Speaking of new ports, shouldn't some of the newer sansa ports be moved from 'Pre-Development Ports' to ' New Ports' on the TargetStatus page ? They now have running code 12.09.21 # * preglow wonders if a multiple backend ata driver belongs in target/ or firmware/ 12.10.15 # i need one for d2, sd and internal flash :/ 12.10.54 # Good :) 12.11.29 # * gevaerts thinks that ata needs a bit more abstraction, so someone needing that is good news 12.11.30 # any ideas on where it belongs, though? such a thing might be needed for other targets, and can be reused if not placed in target/( 12.12.32 # but i haven't given it too much thought, really. currently i'm just thinking of making ata_* wrappers that call whatever it's supposed to, depending on the drive argument 12.12.38 # I'd say in firmware/, and go for maximum reuse 12.12.40 # probably using ifdefs 12.13.31 # If at some point we get working usb host, we will need an even more advanced version of this for mass storage 12.13.44 #