--- Log for 23.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.10 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 00.02.00 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.03.07 Quit bluebrother ("'nite") 00.04.07 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 00.11.23 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.11.34 # scorche: no idea, I've never seen one... 00.11.57 # shotofadds: oh...i thought you were the one to talk to about it...sorry :) 00.12.34 # * scorche looks over at lowlight 00.14.35 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-38eac06242de7366) 00.19.27 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.48 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a1a45db6f7a6e68c) 00.27.19 # Guys quick question, how do i tell a plugin to turn off the backlight 00.27.43 Quit _aLF ("Quitte") 00.29.19 Quit xqtftqx (Client Quit) 00.31.52 Quit bertrik ("bye") 00.33.53 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.35.16 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.42.09 Quit cendres (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.36 Quit obo ("bye") 00.49.28 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.09 Quit ender` (" I used to have drug & alcohol problems, but now i have enough money!") 00.55.03 Quit gregzx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.58 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 01.07.02 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.09.54 Quit csc` ("10.23.07: Never forget") 01.15.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.25.54 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.28.50 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.30.45 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 01.31.11 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-75-16-157-33.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 01.32.23 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.50.42 Quit DrMoos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 01.57.44 Quit pixelma (" .") 01.57.45 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 01.58.20 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.00.03 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 02.17.39 Quit Zom (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.50 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-79-136-43-44.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) 02.18.55 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 02.24.31 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4d166976fb079aba) 02.29.37 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.34.56 # [/clear 02.40.49 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 02.47.17 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.52.41 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.59.11 Quit AndyI (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.00.16 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 03.01.12 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.03.18 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.14.44 Quit user01 ("Leaving") 03.15.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.34.22 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.34.54 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 03.38.10 Join lawsuit [0] (i=4b2dc305@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-78c22075cc13ac6f) 03.40.16 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.53.42 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b5850bfe9a9b89be) 03.57.05 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 03.57.09 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d9ab-CM001371142bc8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.59.54 # Buschel: guess I'll have to retract my "prediction" about codec optimization not gaining much battery life 04.01.12 # Buschel: I've tested a run by looping Hotel California (~ 6 min) at 320kbps CBR, and RB gets only about 16-20 hours. not sure of the exact number because I forgot to run battery_bench 04.01.44 # Buschel: I'll test it again, but this time with the OF first so I know how long I should expect battery to last 04.02.14 # Buschel: this test eliminates the disk activity (except for initial buffering), so we can compare just the codec 04.06.40 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.08.11 Join low_light [0] (n=4cbde1a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-54169ca44c99e85a) 04.10.57 Quit BlakeJohnson861 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.12.04 # scorche: sa9200 buttons are a hack to get minimal use out of the 3 physical buttons. For now, you can rely on the hardware power off: hold the the power switch down for ~15 sec. 04.14.21 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 04.18.25 # low_light: yes...i did that after a bit of playing around :) 04.18.50 # thanks, though 04.22.10 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.22.51 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.27.04 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.30.01 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d788a1b3b7f84968) 04.38.48 Join vain [0] (n=vain@adsl-75-45-195-5.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 04.46.20 Join BlakeJohnson861 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.48.15 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7888.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.49.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.52.13 Join mib_d82epo9o [0] (i=d8ef52a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-17531f67423277f9) 04.52.18 Nick mib_d82epo9o is now known as MarcGuay (i=d8ef52a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-17531f67423277f9) 04.56.35 # JdGordon: Did you test r17757? The behavior hasn't changed on the e200. 04.57.35 # try in a sec... 04.57.58 # FOR_NB_SCREENS() doesnt expand to a proper loop on single screen targets which i forgot :p 04.58.01 # Make sure fade on pause/play/stop/whatever is ON. 04.58.04 Quit m0f0x () 04.58.50 # Thanks for the tip on the nextdir action by the way, gonna investigate tomorrow. 05.04.04 # JdGordon: Lookin' good. 05.08.56 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.15.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.07 Quit MarcGuay ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.17.05 Part vain ("PART") 05.19.09 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9977c76fa24ee63b) 05.19.31 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 05.20.03 Quit low_light ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 05.29.48 Quit CyBergRind|w (SendQ exceeded) 05.38.00 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.3.3 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 05.46.28 Quit krazykit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.47.16 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-251-246-73.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 05.48.58 Quit ravon_ (Remote closed the connection) 06.01.02 Quit lawsuit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.21.56 Join MTee [0] (n=mtarek16@41.233.155.163) 06.25.10 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 06.25.14 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d98f-CM0012c90feb0c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.34.33 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 06.42.35 Quit MTee () 06.48.57 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 06.50.03 # hi 06.50.23 # I'm looking for a program/function like 'less' that can display text 06.50.36 # in firmware/ or apps/lib/ of course 06.50.38 # is there any? 06.50.42 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.50.57 # I'm asking, because I think this can potentially be used to unify the help messages for the games 06.51.29 # I've looked at the code in Solitaire, but if there's a better, more generic approach already in svn, I would like to use it instead of reinventing 06.52.29 # wpyh: we dont really have anything like that... I could see it being useful thouhg 06.53.04 # maybe a very stripped down version of the text viewer plugin.... 06.53.08 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 06.53.10 # in that case, I'll try to extract the code from solitaire 06.53.12 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE0013464a03d5-CM00111ae6c2c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.53.29 # JdGordon: you mean the text editor? 06.53.30 Join certainly [0] (n=4b2dc305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2675a586e0308e5) 06.53.50 # no... viewer.rock 06.54.36 # uh... I don't seem to see it in my nano 06.55.12 # its a viewer... you cant run it by itself... 06.55.19 # select a .txt and run it 06.55.20 # oh :p 06.55.24 # ok 06.55.30 Quit certainly (Client Quit) 06.56.06 # ok 06.56.08 # it's quite good 06.56.16 # but I want to be able to scroll by line, not by page 06.56.29 # the solitaire help page for example, it can scroll by the line 06.56.38 # that rock has heaps of options... one of them does that 06.56.52 # you'd want a stripped down version for what you want.... 06.56.54 # * JdGordon bbl 06.57.05 # ok, great! :) 06.57.11 # this is what I want 06.57.17 # thanks, JdGordon 06.57.54 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3c8cb5ba72f53db2) 07.08.10 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Ex-Chat") 07.13.04 Join daurnimas [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.13.58 Quit daurnimas (Excess Flood) 07.14.32 Join daurnimas [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.15.00 # reading the viewer.c source, I think what we need is a _heavily stripped down_ version of it 07.15.09 Quit daurnimator (Connection timed out) 07.15.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.15.20 Quit daurnimas (Excess Flood) 07.15.38 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.17.58 Quit daurnimator (Excess Flood) 07.18.18 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.21.18 Quit daurnimator (Excess Flood) 07.21.38 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.24.38 Quit daurnimator (Excess Flood) 07.24.59 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.26.59 Quit daurnimator (Excess Flood) 07.27.18 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 07.29.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 07.29.15 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 07.33.11 Join elfo [0] (n=elfo@unaffiliated/elfo) 07.33.17 # llo 07.33.39 # about to buy iAudio X5 and install rockbox on it :) 07.35.24 # wpyh: [04:02:14] Buschel: this test eliminates the disk activity (except for initial buffering), so we can compare just the codec <== It doesn't 07.35.43 # Rockbox buffering works a bit different of what you might think 07.36.07 # is there a "theme gallery" somewhere? 07.36.10 # It always uses the complete buffer, but otoh isn't aware of "shortcuts" 07.36.17 # or a theme howto 07.36.27 # elfo: the wiki 07.36.41 # amiconn: that should work if repeat one is set though shouldnt it? 07.36.44 # quite disorientating that wiki 07.37.03 # So if you make a playlist containing just a single song and have repeat enabled, it will buffer that same song as often as it fits into the buffer, and rebuffer if the buffer is consumed 07.37.06 # JdGordon: nope 07.37.30 # docsIndex sounds cool 07.38.18 # amiconn: hmm... I thought repeat one was clever? setting a-b mode witht he points at either end of the track would work though? 07.38.48 # I won't expect it either 07.38.55 Quit Bger (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.39.21 # * JdGordon rebooting back into linux 07.39.31 # I'm 100% sure this behaviour applies both to the hwcodec engine and the old swcodec engine. I'm not 100% sure about the MoB engine, but sincerely doubt it behaves different 07.39.52 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.39.53 # blackGlass v2 is awesome (and featuring Bob Marley, too) 07.40.02 Join Miles_ [0] (i=[U2FsdGV@65.98.26.250) 07.42.31 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.43.38 Quit Miles (Connection reset by peer) 07.43.55 # JdGordon: This behaviour is mostly an effect of modularisation, and not easily changeable. The playlist code handles the playlist, and the playback engine doesn't know that the next track to be buffered is actually the same as the current one 07.44.54 # yeah, OK... I thought there was special caseing for ab mode though... rep one doing that makes sense 07.45.49 # AB repeat is an addon that watches song positions, and sends appropriate skip/seek calls 07.46.19 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.46.19 # I don't think it's worth chaning the behaviour (unless it can be made with *little* effort) 07.46.36 # Playing the very same song ad nauseum isn't exactly a typical usage case imo 07.49.00 # yeah... If they really want to test this it could probably be done in a plugin... assuming plugins have/could have access to the codecs 07.59.22 # Well, test_codec does contain an appropriate mechanism 08.05.55 # * JdGordon hoping for green... so cbf with more oops commits :p 08.06.55 Join certainly [0] (n=4b2dc305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-75df7499ddc6425d) 08.07.53 Quit certainly (Client Quit) 08.09.05 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.12.46 # so much for that then :p 08.17.02 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 08.23.06 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.23.43 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE0DA.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.24.34 # JdGordon: You about to scrap %m too? 08.25.05 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.25.16 # not sure.. waiting to see what the damage from that commit is... the patch is ready to go iirc (apart from fixing the included wps's) 08.25.41 # Ah, ok. The WPSes (or whatever the plural is)... 08.25.44 # ;) 08.26.36 # * JdGordon needs to edit some wiki pages now :( 08.26.56 # I'd suggest getting %m kicked out asap though. 08.27.52 # I mean, before other people start updating WPSes on the wiki etc. 08.28.12 # yeah,... 08.28.42 # would be nice to get the new themes site up to coincide with that comit 08.28.54 # Indeed, but unlikely 08.29.22 # Better to get the two commits in (with all the included WPSes), then people can start work in anger. 08.29.25 # maybe on the weekend? 08.29.57 # that was to the site going live... not to the %m commit... 08.30.43 # you would have to talk with linuxstb with that, but i think it might be a number of weeks away until he can work on it 08.31.21 # hmm.. just checked, he isnt going to devcon... maybe someone else there can have a look at it 08.41.31 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.42.39 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 08.49.25 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.49.31 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.51.05 # * JdGordon has 3 cabbie wps to fix then will probably commit it 08.51.39 # dunno why its letting it load a .wps which still has the %m tag though, even it is being ignored 08.56.10 Join FHUt\nAg [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e9ecae88b91e66c8) 08.56.36 Nick FHUt\nAg is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e9ecae88b91e66c8) 09.13.39 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.13.41 # does anyone know of any wps which has bitmaps and still uses the regular statusbar? 09.14.21 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@212.204.47.129) 09.14.33 Quit csc` ("10.23.07: Never forget") 09.15.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.15.45 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 09.15.58 Quit Rob2222 () 09.16.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE0DA.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.16.30 # JdGordon: hi, did you read my comment in FS#9051? Did you have a look at the other shipped WPSs that use %pb only or without specifying a y-position? 09.16.52 # yes, that was addressed in my last comment in 9027 09.17.01 Join Chronon [0] (n=vircuser@c-71-59-159-253.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 09.17.25 # bassically... its fixed again... %pb uses up a text line again 09.17.38 # ok, will have a look soon 09.25.33 # which remote is 128x64x1? 09.25.43 # s/remote/target 09.26.47 # the Iriver remotes and the ifp and the Logik Dax (I believe) 09.27.19 # and the c100 is 128x64 but colour IIRC 09.27.36 # mrobe 100? 09.27.45 # * B4gder can't remember 09.27.47 # ta 09.27.56 # no, that one is 160x128 monochrome (red on black) 09.27.58 # the iriver remote is the one i was thinking of 09.33.13 Nick merbz1 is now known as merbzt (n=benlar@193.13.246.198) 09.33.16 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@78.90.78.107) 09.34.02 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.37.02 # JdGordon: looking at your latest commit - you didn't seem to have read my edit in the comment... 09.37.36 # which is why I dont like edits... 09.38.28 # oh, about the -? 09.38.38 # learned that now too... 09.39.05 # no, for now I meant the small "bug" in the 160x128x2 cabbiev2 (seems to only be there) 09.39.29 # cd #rockbox-community 09.39.41 # oops. 09.39.47 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.40.08 # JdGordon: it defines a conditional viewport for the playback time info line which makes it only show if AA is present (last line) 09.40.09 # pixelma: have you tried it with svn yet? there was a problem because the fonts was loaded after the wps which caused that issue... should be fine now 09.40.33 # currently compiling 09.45.43 # ah yes, fixed.. just refixing the nano cabbie and ill commit 09.51.09 Quit Chronon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.54.37 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE99F.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.03.20 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 10.03.24 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645e8d1-CM0012c9ab589a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 10.06.58 Nick Miles_ is now known as Miles (i=[U2FsdGV@65.98.26.250) 10.10.15 # * JdGordon hates editing the wiki 10.11.53 # you could update the manual instead ;) 10.12.10 # * JdGordon runs away screaming 10.12.16 # is the wps syntax in the manual? 10.12.24 # yes 10.12.54 # would be nice if it could be ripped from the wiki (or vice verca) 10.16.44 Quit Zom (Remote closed the connection) 10.16.55 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-79-136-43-44.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) 10.25.38 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 10.25.38 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.28.56 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9ffbd025fb440340) 10.44.48 # moron alert! http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17348.new;topicseen#new 10.45.09 # 'm using a simulator from rashers rb page. Says the date it has been updated last is 22.06.2008 Is my code wrong or is the sim outdated? 10.45.14 # grr! 10.48.55 Quit cool_walking_ (" ") 10.55.54 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-222-120.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.02.22 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.15.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.38.06 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 11.38.14 Part J-23 11.42.12 Join jeanius [0] (n=devoted1@CPE0014bfc44687-CM001404dc6dde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 11.42.19 # hello? 11.42.40 # hello..hello..he 11.43.27 # ha ha hai 11.43.42 # I just got rockbox installed on my baby 1g nano 11.44.05 # and I'm wondering what's the best way to transfer songs to it is 11.44.10 # or to manage them 11.44.17 # just create a music folder under the root? 11.44.22 # what would you do 11.44.52 # if you no longer want to use the original firmware, just drag/drop your files on it 11.45.17 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 11.45.27 # I don't think I'll ever go back to apple firmware 11.45.29 # I only use the file browser (no database) and have my music as /music/A/artist/album/song.mp3 11.45.54 # well how big is your ipod 11.46.05 # what ipod ? 11.46.12 # or your mp3 player 11.46.14 # (: 11.46.25 # what's an ipod? 11.46.55 # my player is only 4gb so I don't think I need to create folders for each alphabetical letters 11.47.13 # no ipod, an iriver with 80GB 11.47.36 # How you organize things really depends on how you use it 11.47.37 # has all my music on it so it needs some structure ;) 11.47.51 # -= freedom =- ;) 11.48.46 # what kind of cups do you use? 11.49.02 # big ones 11.49.19 # cups ??? 11.49.44 # * petur has a big blue cup with 'rockbox' on it :) 11.49.53 # robo-cups! 11.50.22 # lies 11.50.26 # * GodEater has one of those cups too 11.50.33 # more of a mug really 11.50.34 # I'm sporting shure scl4's 11.50.42 # * JdGordon 's bloody nephew broke his rockbox mug :( 11.51.04 # since when did "cups" become synonymous with "headphones" ? 11.51.49 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.45 Join Dozer [0] (n=Dozer@82-32-214-187.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.56.51 # Hi guys, I was wondering if someone could give me a hand getting my Rockbox'd ipod mini to play with wmp11? I'm trying to just get it to recognise it as mass storage so I can copy music to it that way. 11.57.07 # Please :) 12.00.18 # does it show up as a drive leter? 12.01.12 # On the PC yes. 12.01.32 # It's recognised as mass storage, just not in WMP. 12.01.43 # And not in the devices section of the options menu in wmp 12.01.44 # so you want wmp support? that's OT here 12.07.29 # Not support, it's already a mass storage device, just wmp's not recognising it as such. If you don't know how to force it to act purely as mass storage within windows that's ok. 12.07.54 # Actually, maybe I can force it to use only mass storage drivers instead of the auto updated ipod ones... 12.09.17 # uhh 12.09.23 # restart WMP? 12.09.25 # refresh? 12.09.57 # :D, I've been trying to get it to work for a couple of days, I've tried that. 12.10.36 # By default wmp doesn't want to recognise it as ipods not officially supported by it. But as I can just copy music with drag and drop with rockbox it should work ok if it just sees it. 12.11.06 # you're really better off searching for a wmp forum or help channel.... 12.12.31 # K. 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Good idea in the long run, bad for brainz in the short. :) 14.33.19 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) 14.33.28 # use my script to convert old WPS if thats what your doing.. 14.34.31 # JdGordon: Yeah I'm a sucker for punishment, taking the hard road. 14.34.39 # has anyone noticed any wierdness with svn and wps? or still too early? 14.34.57 # Haven't updated my beast yet, so can't tell ya. 14.35.58 # JdGordon: Just updated a progress bar and it seems fine so far. 14.36.00 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 14.36.35 # MarcGuay: Good morning! Got to test the new conditional viewports from JdGordon's last commit? 14.37.56 # LambdaCalculus37: Haven't messed with the viewports yet, just the progress bar... Feeling better? 14.38.46 # MarcGuay: Yep. 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Thanks for the info. In that case, we'll have to find other ways to test just *purely* the codec, or fix the buffering code in RB so that it won't reread the same file again. 15.15.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.18.11 # amiconn: I haven't looked at the code yet, but the right way would be to buffer any (music) file we open for playing. Then if we want to play the song again, we can just refer to the buffer instead of reading from disk again. 15.18.49 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 15.19.16 # amiconn: reminds me of the (page cache? not sure) algorithm -- the songs that get played the most / the latest stays in the buffer, and older ones get evicted 15.19.31 # wpyh: that's simply a special-case we haven't bothered about 15.20.01 # I think it also goes for stepping backwards to play songs again 15.20.19 # well, yeah this is actually a special case for now, but as players' memory increase, this will be more common :) 15.21.13 # I didn't mean special as in rare 15.21.22 # I meant special as in not covered by the code 15.21.25 # B4gder: yes, for stepping backwards this is also useful -- I didn't think of this case. But if the buffering/caching algorithm is generic, we don't need to make it a special case (like: if step backwards then try to get the song from the buffer) 15.21.39 # oh 15.21.58 # anyway, so the code is not doing this right now 15.21.58 # I think stepping backwards is a fairly frequent operation 15.22.26 # so, how do you think this could be implemented? 15.22.28 # and on 32MB systems the current and previous song is very often in the buffer already 15.22.34 # yes 15.23.09 # I was thinking of an array of song/music file info -- but since we don't have malloc, the array must be statically allocated... 15.23.19 # I'm not familiar enough with the code to have a good enough suggestiong on how to modify it 15.23.35 # me too -- I have to read the code first :) 15.23.40 # array? the songs and data are already in memory 15.24.27 # well, we need some way to find out whether that song is already in memory, right? 15.24.50 # wpyh: we already have that... even with mob there is still a maximum amount of tracks that can be buffered (even if more would fit in the buffer) 15.25.13 # yes, but the buffer code knows or should know how much data we have left behind 15.25.57 # JdGordon: what's mob? 15.26.15 # metadata-on-buffer 15.26.17 # metadata-on-buffer.... dont worry.... 15.26.38 # AKA the updated buffereing scheme 15.26.47 # oh... 15.27.17 # well, then why does RB reread the same music file from disk (as amiconn said)? 15.27.19 # [metadata][song][metadata][song]... 15.28.14 # wpyh: even if the buffer is 32MB... plenty of songs are longer than that.. 15.28.25 # is simpler to assume they all are than scpecial casing 15.28.30 # special* 15.28.39 # uh... 15.28.55 # and I'm not so sure the buffering has strict knowledge of what file (name) it buffered 15.29.16 # (disclaimer: I haven't read the code) does that mean that RB looks into the buffer for songs next in line, but forgets about it after it's been played? 15.29.25 # yes 15.29.47 # wpyh: the playlist and playback/buffereing are handled seperatly 15.29.48 # sorry, but that's stup^H^H^H^Hweird 15.29.56 # yeah 15.29.58 # I disagree 15.30.01 # I'm no expert either, but... 15.30.02 # :p 15.30.17 # the way to chose the nick song is not the job of the buffering 15.30.21 # next sogn 15.30.25 # grrr 15.30.27 # it might not be the most efficient way, but its certainly not stupid 15.30.47 # it could be better 15.30.48 # :) 15.30.56 # define better.... 15.30.57 # * LambdaCalculus37 turns off his Dyslexia Ray so B4gder can type again :) 15.31.10 # aaah, thanks. Much better now! 15.31.55 # the definition always changes 15.32.30 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.32.31 # right now, better would be "the player looks for the specified song in the buffer, then if it doesn't find it there look for it in the disk" 15.32.31 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 15.32.39 # oops, too many "it"s :p 15.33.23 # wpyh: the most common case is that the track is not yet in the buffer.... that would happen 99% of the time (except for benchmarking)... why make the code less readable (and its already pretty bad) to "fix that? 15.33.28 # not just "in the buffer", it should probably be last in the buffer too 15.33.54 # playing A B C and then wanting to play B, it really can't re-use it easily 15.34.24 # unless you stepped backwards and thus want both B and C 15.34.26 # well, I guess I have to adjust to the Rockbox Design Principle then... 15.34.39 # (I usually program generically) 15.34.41 # you're up to some major redesigning then 15.35.41 # yeah, I'm putting it in my (long :O) TODO list 15.35.41 # * gevaerts doesn't really see what this has to do with generic (or not) programming 15.35.46 # * pixelma wonders why JdGordon is all in a hurry suddenly... :\ 15.36.34 # didnt you get the memo? I'm leaving the project tonight.... have to get the last bits of my horrible patches in before its too late! 15.36.35 # wpyh: it's just one of those cases where the current way simply is "good enough" ... 15.37.23 # gevaerts: generic: use generic buffering techniques, catch the corner cases well but probably only 30-40% of the code is used 99% of the time; specialized way I see in Rockbox: use specialized buffering, 95% of the code runs well for 99% of the time, but performs badly for 1% of the cases 15.38.17 # B4gder: to a degree, I agree with you saying "good enough", especially from code complexity point of view. although I think we can make it better 15.38.40 # I guess for the time being I'll test the OF's runtime first then, with different bitrates 15.38.46 # I'm quite sure we can always improve things 15.39.13 # wpyh: if thats what we are getting then thats bloody perfect imo... 15.39.16 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 15.41.33 # well, we can of course improve things 15.41.57 # although I'm not so sure what the current focus of RB is -- is it WPS design/engine/etc, or the core of RB itself? 15.42.15 # they arnt the same thing? 15.42.15 # JdGordon: you mean the genericized buffering? 15.42.16 # "RB" has no focus 15.42.30 # wpyh: no... "95% of the code runs well for 99% of the time, but performs badly for 1% of the cases" 15.42.54 # well, one is the interface, one is the internals, so they aren't the same thing 15.43.13 # B4gder: so.. we can develop all we like? I'm asking because lately the discussion seems to be about the WPS... 15.43.17 # wpyh: everyone works on what they feel like working on 15.43.28 # well.. technically.. buffering is at the same "level" and the gui code 15.43.35 # so it differs depending on who has time and what they feel like doing 15.43.55 # JdGordon: I'd have to work hard to make sure the code is simple then :p 15.44.28 # if it was simple, understandable, worked and followed the guidlines it would probably be accepted.... 15.45.10 # B4gder: I don't mind what the others are developing... but since a piece of code / patch has to go through the committers first, I was thinking whether patches to some parts of RB can be accepted more easily, while the other parts won't be changed so patches won't be accepted 15.45.21 # JdGordon: thanks, will make a note of it in my TODO 15.45.55 # wpyh: I don't think it works like that. We accept patches to any part of the system at any time. 15.46.16 Part J-23 15.46.28 # wpyh: there are over 80 commiters (dunno how many are actually active currently though).. you only need to find one willing to see your patch in... 15.46.49 # OK, then that's good :) 15.47.01 Join PaulJam_B [0] (n=54bcc991@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-db09e710fb00071f) 15.48.16 # PaulJam_B: Good eye. 15.49.34 Part wpyh 15.50.18 # PaulJam_B: nice spotting there :) 15.53.16 # JdGordon: btw, nice that conditional viewports are finally in SVN. thanks. 15.53.37 # :) 15.53.53 # * JdGordon now has nothing in the works and can get back to trying to pass university 15.56.00 # PaulJam_B: you are now in Berlin? Are you planning on showing up at devcon too? 15.59.57 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@drm156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.01.40 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 16.02.00 # Since all targets can skip to the next/prev directory using a short+long of the Prev/Next key, is there any reason to maintain the use of a combo? 16.02.12 # its faster 16.02.26 # But requires more hands. 16.02.39 # One more, to be precise. 16.02.40 # :) 16.02.55 # true... doing power+right while driving at 100km/h on the freeway was _fun_ 16.03.15 # * JdGordon didnt even know about the short+long combo untill this morning :p 16.03.40 # JdGordon: I'm getting a headache doing to /opts in the manual... 16.03.46 # but the long short combo somehow doesn't work while driving either. 16.03.48 # :) 16.04.36 Part LinusN 16.05.05 # I don't like the long-short combo and would like to see it banished. 16.05.09 Quit mcuelenaere (""gtg"") 16.05.14 # because of that i have changed my buttons, so that REC+AB (which are close enough for one finger) do the dirskip. 16.05.15 # At least on players where it's not necessary. 16.05.16 # Not all targets have \ActionWpsAbSetBNextDir{} , but all targets have the other... 16.05.39 # Llorean: I prefer it to a combo press. 16.05.47 # The short-long combo has caused me endless trouble when trying to skip then seek. 16.06.45 # I don't like "nearly overlapping" controls, and feel it interferes with normal use. 16.07.03 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 16.07.55 # Llorean: I've never had it unintentionally activate, myself, but I see how it could. 16.08.33 # blb 16.12.21 Quit doke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.55 Join doke [0] (n=doke@217-162-38-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) 16.16.22 Quit gregzx (Connection timed out) 16.22.14 Quit gregzx_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 16.24.52 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drm156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.26.06 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.39.45 Join japc [0] (n=japc@194.65.5.235) 16.45.16 Join itcheg [0] (n=IceChat7@h-67-100-146-176.nycmny83.covad.net) 16.46.11 # question how does one get a patch commited 16.47.33 # Did you post it to Flyspray? 16.49.08 Quit PaulJam_B ("CGI:IRC") 16.49.10 # not mine actualy I tested a patch and it works perfectly 16.49.39 # Which Flyspray entry is it? 16.49.54 # 8428 I understand it's not high priority 16.51.57 # it is working and basically no risk so why not 16.52.15 # That's up to someone with commit access (which I don't have). 16.52.36 # ok was just wondering how these things are decided 16.53.15 # just needs someone who is interested to give it the ok and commit it 16.53.47 # would that be you ;-) ? 16.53.57 # not at 1am it isnt :D 16.54.22 # I don't know... I think a better keymap would be a better solution 16.54.23 # heh k, I'm on EST it am here 16.54.51 # well with the Ipod there not that many buttons I can't think of a better solution 16.55.01 Quit adamgolding (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.55.22 # That patch hasn't been touched in a while. It may have to be updated and resynced against the current SVN trunk. 16.55.56 # I patched against CVS from a few days ago all went fine 16.56.11 # CVS? 16.56.18 # We use SVN now! 16.56.20 # WOOPS 16.56.27 # yes svn 16.56.27 # We've been using it since the start of 2007! 16.56.43 # its a plugin.. its easy for them to stay in sync 16.57.00 # * LambdaCalculus37 drags itcheg into the current space-time continuum 16.57.27 # yes there are other projects that still use (believe it or not) CVS 16.57.54 # itcheg: Well, that's their choice. We chose SVN. 16.58.19 # Anyway, if someone thinks that the patch is beneficial, then it'll be ok'ed and committed. 16.59.18 # 8364 also is in synch wit current svn and is usefull to a much wider audience 16.59.19 # the Ipod keymap is very weird there - you can't move up or down, just scroll through the field (and only one direction) but has 3 ways (IIRC) to change the number in the field... I think there is some potential. And btw. the Ondio has less possible actions (one "button" more but no scrollwheel) and has a somewhat sane keymap I think 17.01.17 Quit krazykit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.02.51 # pixelma you are correct about the three buttons LEFT to decrement SELECT AND RIGHT to increment, this patch changes the SELECT to change direction of the scroll 17.03.48 # while there might be a better way which is totaly different this is a small change and makes things quiete a bit easier 17.06.10 Join jac0b|w [0] (i=d043a7c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-794bfbb0779c15a6) 17.06.12 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.07.32 # with the conditional vp's what is the %m tag 17.08.43 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.09.33 # jac0b|w: Don't use it. 17.09.40 Join FeetFirst [0] (n=FeetFirs@44.188-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 17.10.04 # but what tag is that 17.10.13 Quit DaCapn () 17.10.16 # It doesn't exist any more. 17.10.21 # There is no longer a %m tag. 17.11.19 # it that the tag for the play icons & hold switch icons 17.11.50 # No. 17.11.59 # You may notice that those are tags such as %mh, not %m 17.13.24 # The wiki page _should_ still be valid and usable, as it's been updated I believe. 17.14.52 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet30.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 17.15.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.25 Quit FeetFirst (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...") 17.16.39 Join FeetFirst [0] (n=FeetFirs@44.188-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 17.17.07 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a71815881c4e5aa9) 17.17.49 # okay 17.17.52 # thanks 17.18.02 Quit jac0b|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.23.24 Nick john is now known as jfc (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 17.41.03 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.42.06 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.42.09 Join SUSaiyan` [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 17.44.49 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th238028.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 17.45.43 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 17.45.54 # JdGordon: hey. Nice commits 17.47.57 # JdGordon: Regarding your last one: Wouldn't it be better to require the themer to use 0,8 if the statusbar is enabled, and let the statusbar overlap the stuff in the vp if 0,0 is used respectivly? sounds very confusing if 0,0 can be 0,8. Also, what happens if it's 0,1 etc?) 17.48.05 Quit funman ("leaving") 17.48.50 # JdGordon: Ah, just see the forum thread. Gonna post that there too 17.53.01 # Isn't "0,0" always "the top left of the actually usable area"? 17.53.11 # That makes perfect sense to me. 17.53.41 # If the top left of the total usable area is "0,8" on the screen because the status bar uses the first eight pixels, so what? It's still "0,0" in the "usable" portion of the screen 17.55.02 # I think 0,0 is the the pixel position of the screen, which makes perfectly sense to me 17.55.34 # But you're wrong, now. 17.55.37 # Learn to live with it. 17.55.46 # What if the statusbar size changes ? 17.55.50 # Viewports are, in essence, virtual screens 17.55.55 # 0,0 is the top left of the viewport. 17.56.21 # Coordinates should always be relative to the containing viewport, rather than absolute. 17.57.03 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 17.57.20 # that's true (e.g. a viewport in a viewport would be relatively to the parent one too). 17.58.51 # Basically, I don't understand what you're complaining about. 17.59.06 # But IMHO the default viewport is a bit of a special case, and it's not totally clear to everyone, that the default one is effectively smaller due to the statusbar 17.59.06 # His statement is that "the default viewport starts at 0,8 instead of 0,0" 17.59.18 # It shouldn't BE a special case though 17.59.21 # Why treat it as one? 17.59.43 # It's kinda silly saying "we should special case it, so that the status bar can overlap things" 17.59.56 # I have strong feeling that you're not in a good mood today 17.59.59 # As it stands now, if a WPS doesn't use the bottom 8 pixels of the screen one could use it with or without a status bar safely 18.00.21 # No, I'm actually in a quite good mood. But you're complaining without thinking again. 18.00.38 # No, I don't 18.00.52 # You haven't suggested any problems the current behaviour causes, it allows more flexibility, and yet you're still against it? It makes perfect sense relative to how viewports work everywhere else. 18.00.53 # Just because I don't think in your ways 18.01.04 # it doesn't mean I'm not thinking at all 18.01.38 # I'm not against. I'm open to opinions. That's no reason to be rude to me at all 18.01.58 # I wasn't rude to you until you accused me of being in a bad mood. 18.02.15 # If you'd like to get back to discussing the idea rather than our individual flaws, I'm more than happy to. 18.02.29 # one behavior I though of is, if the user decides to remove the statusbar, the viewport would move 8px up, which is probably unexpected 18.02.44 # That's a good behaviour 18.02.59 # It means that text and image based WPSes that don't use a backdrop behave the same 18.03.06 # Rather than breaking if the status bar is on or off. 18.03.35 # JdGordon didn't sound like that he thinks it's a good behavior in his commit comment 18.04.13 # So? 18.04.21 # He possibly didn't think it through fully either. 18.04.30 # It's still entirely possible to have a static fullscreen viewport by simply defining one 18.04.41 # Meanwhile the new dynamic fullscreen viewport allows a much greater flexibility in themes. 18.04.45 # A net addition of features. 18.05.28 # Nothing has been lost, something has been gained: Where is the problem? 18.06.28 # No problem, I just intended to discuss a bit about this issue (may it be a bad one or not), with JdGordon though 18.06.51 # I think 0.0 is the upper left of the viewport 18.07.15 # and the status part pushes down the viewport 18.07.23 # status bar even 18.07.26 # Which is current behaviour, iiuc. 18.07.58 # Sure, but I think most themers don't see the default viewport as a viewport (i.e. they expect the first viewport to be put relativly to the screen dimensions). 18.08.29 # kugel: Then they need to learn the difference. 18.08.32 Join EspeonEfi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 18.08.35 Quit EspeonEfi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.08.35 # probably 18.09.00 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.09.30 # 1 issue I also see is, that the wps is now dependant on the statusbar. 18.09.39 # They always were. 18.09.57 # One big problem, though, was that images were not while text was. 18.10.55 # I don't see how either way makes it less dependent on the status bar 18.11.18 # either the status bar gets visible and the rest gets pushed down, or you get them on top of each other 18.11.29 # B4gder: I know I could certainly argue this way makes it independent, since now the presence or lack of a status bar should just offset the theme rather than breaking it entirely. 18.11.42 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-99-130-212-119.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 18.11.45 # Previously it would offset the text, but not the images, causing horrible misalignment. 18.11.56 # yeah, that's of course even worse ;-) 18.12.23 # Now you would just lose the last 8 pixels of the WPS (or gain an 8-pixel whitespace) 18.12.33 # Hmm, well, I didn't remember the text moving due to the statusbar 18.12.56 Quit juxtap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.13.57 # kugel: One of the main reasons the WPS has a tag specifically to force status bar on/off is because WPS were dependent on it being on/off to prevent them from breaking once images were added. 18.14.19 # IMHO it be nice, if the default viewport would "ignore" the statusbar, i.e. start in the top left of the screen. The statusbar would then overlap anything which is in the first 8 pixel rows 18.14.19 # Otherwise WPS could just allow the user to choose. 18.14.43 # kugel: What does that _add_ in terms of functionality other than "the option to not be able to see stuff"? 18.15.12 # be independant of the statusbar 18.15.40 # in the means of the statusbar doesn't mess the positions in the wps 18.15.49 Join chinshanky [0] (n=46131e70@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0257bda9d13996f9) 18.15.54 # it's always been this way - there's even a comment in the code for the built-in text only default wps - the peakmeters are off screen with enabled statusbar and sysfont on the Archos screens but can be seen if someone chooses to switch off the statusbar globally (it's not in the WPS) 18.16.13 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.16.22 # kugel: That doesn't make any sense. That's not independence, if it's going to hide part of the WPS. 18.16.35 # True independence would be "leave the last 8 pixels of the WPS blank, so if the status bar is on, you lose nothing" 18.16.43 # You'd have to leave the top 8 blank for a status bar to be optional anyway 18.16.59 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.17.11 Quit FeetFirst (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 18.19.00 # Llorean: Yea, true. But this behavior would be more expected (at least by me). 18.19.57 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21918.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.20.07 # So, flexibility should be removed because you don't think people should spend a couple seconds learning the new way? 18.20.07 # Anyway (to end the discussion), you have some good points. The behaviour now is not bad, even though it might be confusing to users at the beginning (they'll have to learn to live with it) 18.20.11 # you'd expect possibly overlapping text (with other text and/or graphics?? 18.21.15 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.21.48 Part B4gder 18.25.14 # kugel: If you want a fullscreen viewport that will not move if statusbar is on or off, simply define %V|0|0|-|-|-|-|-| 18.25.22 # The option to have one is still there. 18.25.29 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21918.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.26.09 # Llorean: huh? there's the 0,0 again. That will move, won't it? 18.26.20 # No 18.26.39 # The default viewport isn't used if you define other viewports. 18.26.40 # Why? 0,0 is 0,8(screen position) with the statusbar 18.26.42 # How can it be movied if it's not used? 18.26.50 # *moved 18.26.50 # ah, i see 18.27.45 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@062-015-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 18.28.52 # I think the real problem is just the commit message is probably not as clear on what to expect as it could be. 18.28.52 Quit chinshanky ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.28.57 Join chinshanky [0] (n=46131e70@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-172a10f2649906ae) 18.29.15 # I think it really only changes one behaviour: If you don't define any viewports, but do use images, they will be pushed down 8 pixels if the status bar is enabled. 18.29.35 # You can avoid this being a problem by simply forcing it on/off in the WPS anyway 18.33.25 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 18.33.42 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 18.36.21 Join Rovanion [0] (n=Rovanion@232.net70.skekraft.net) 18.36.29 # Evning gents 18.36.34 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.36.50 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21918.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.37.27 # Nite 18.38.33 # I own a cowon a3, and as of that I belive Rockbox is compitable with it. But are you able to output media with rockbox? 18.38.42 Quit chinshanky ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.39.14 # Rovanion: Cowon A3 is not listed in the supported players on the front page. 18.39.42 # iAudio a3 18.39.46 # same player 18.39.49 # different names 18.40.04 # ahw 18.40.07 # Not the same player. 18.40.08 # Rovanion: see frontpage for supported players. ! 18.40.08 # not supported 18.40.13 # Not by a long shot. 18.40.26 # m3 is supported, not a3 18.41.21 Quit Rovanion ("Lmnar") 18.42.07 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 18.42.36 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.43.51 Join machiel [0] (n=machiel@s55913c50.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 18.46.33 Part machiel ("Konversation terminated!") 18.46.44 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7888.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.12 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B032A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.49.25 # how does rockbox store bmp data in memory ? is it already converted to the target screen ? (ie rgb565 or like) 18.49.37 Join robin_0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 18.50.08 # domonoky: AFAIK yes, it's done in the load 19.05.08 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-216-100.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.07.44 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.07.44 Nick robin_0800 is now known as robin0800 (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.09.24 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.10.00 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c070de851437b60a) 19.10.16 # Hey everybody 19.10.51 # MU{lappy}: You there? 19.11.50 Join g-ro [0] (n=dgero@bermuda.zedat.fu-berlin.de) 19.14.36 # what is the "stride" parameter in transparent_bitmap_part in rockbox ? (is it the with of the input Image? ) 19.14.56 # Hello. Is there some free hardware (free as in freedom) available for rockbox somewhere? or is any manufacturer producing players that come with rockbox? 19.15.10 Join krz [0] (n=irc_by@turbo.sml.by) 19.15.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.16.10 # g-ro: to both questions: no, but there is a beginning of a free rockbox player in the wiki (but it is far from ready) 19.17.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.18.10 # domonoky: "stride" is the width of the image, basically. Since it's a stream of data it needs to know when it should drop down and start the next line. 19.18.20 # I'm not sure if it's width in bytes, or pixels, or what, though 19.20.42 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.38.145) 19.24.38 # thanks domonoky, found the page at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayer . BuyersGuide seems to indicate that all supported players aren't in production anymore. is that right? 19.27.22 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@unaffiliated/juxtap) 19.28.03 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.29.20 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.29.39 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 19.32.47 # g-ro: yes 19.33.05 Quit einhirn_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.36.54 Part wpyh 19.37.57 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.44.45 # g-ro, there is a few that is being worked on that is still in production tho 19.47.05 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964DF0.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.47.21 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 19.47.38 Join OmG2 [0] (n=8dd3e735@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ea38333cc3a494b0) 19.47.58 # anyone there? 19.48.18 Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) 19.48.31 # OmG2, yea just ask 19.49.14 # anyone have any idea on rockbox work on p2 19.49.24 # No. 19.49.35 # Samsung P2? 19.49.35 # I saw a page on infomation about P2 19.49.36 # latest progress would likely be in the forum thread if there is one 19.49.40 # yeah 19.49.44 # o... 19.49.52 # yeah 19.49.58 # Your best info page is here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15267.0 19.50.07 # well i think there's all the information for p2 rockbox... 19.50.10 # isnt there? 19.51.39 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 19.51.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungP2Port 19.52.24 # i think all the information is on that url 19.52.45 # did you have a specific question in mind here? 19.52.54 # well 19.53.02 # i just wanted to know about the progress... 19.53.18 # Right now, no one is working on the P2. 19.53.25 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.53.28 # k 19.53.34 # what about D2 19.53.42 # Still too early for release. 19.53.53 # o 19.54.05 # Sound works, but the filesystem isn't complete (it's read-only), and it's missing some key features. 19.54.09 # i hope someone works on p2... 19.54.10 # o 19.54.14 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.54.27 # OmG2: So I figure that you're not going to be that someone, then? 19.54.49 # Because ports are done by people who want that port to happen. 19.54.51 # im not good w/ those stuff 19.54.57 # what do u mean? 19.55.06 # everything's there 19.55.20 # and there isnt someone who would make it happen? 19.55.46 # i dont get what that port means 19.55.53 # Yes. That "someone" is the owner of the device. 19.55.53 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-152.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.56.15 # i have the device 19.56.16 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 19.56.19 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-152.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 19.56.26 # but have no idea on how to work that out...T_T 19.56.30 # ,, 19.56.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 19.56.54 # Then I guess you're not going to be seeing Rockbox on the P2, then. 19.57.03 # i know someone who's really good at programming 19.57.11 # would he help ? 19.57.34 # he's just good at computer programming and i dont know if he knows about this kind of stuff 19.58.10 Quit OmG2 ("CGI:IRC") 19.58.10 # you need someone who is very motivated and has a lot of time 19.58.26 # bertrik: Ahh, you beat me. :P 20.00.14 # can somebody build me a simulator? im running low on space and rather not have to download things 20.01.52 Quit petur ("brb on ubuntu...") 20.02.05 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B032A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.02.47 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.04.04 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host207-46-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.04.21 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.04.36 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D036.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.05.31 # Hi all" Freenode is giving some problems to me - so I should ask sorry in advance for all the confusion I may cause ... 20.05.58 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@lan-84-240-35-19.vln.skynet.lt) 20.06.15 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 20.07.36 Quit MarcGuay ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.07.44 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.08.38 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet32.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 20.11.23 Join MarcGuay_ [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-68-107.vif.net) 20.12.53 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.13.31 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245022.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 20.17.05 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.18.31 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (n=6003b77e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-51d5c050eaa29f8d) 20.19.11 # whats the link to rockboxes source i need to download 2 specific files 20.19.27 # and quickly i have to leave 20.19.28 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.20.00 # try the "download" page? (unexpected place, i know...) 20.20.16 # no the rockbox SOURCE CODE 20.20.22 # try the "download" page? (unexpected place, i know...) 20.20.29 # * bluebrother discovers screaming nick again :( 20.20.36 # ok 20.21.00 # please use sane capitalization. 20.21.02 # bluebrother: apparently SOURCE CODE needed to be screamed too 20.21.41 # indeed. It's *source* and *code*, that needs to be screamed! 20.22.28 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.23.29 # um i dont remember the source code being 16.1 mb i remember it as 243 mb 20.23.43 # It's compressed. 20.23.47 # unless the 7z format gets it really small 20.23.58 # since its basically all text 20.24.06 # and i know its compressed 20.24.23 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-91abd0e2d172fae1) 20.24.49 # are you thinking of the VMware image? 20.24.59 # i think the builds broken without any patchs i get settings.c error ini "settings_apply" 20.25.19 # * bluebrother wonders what source code the screaming nick is referring to -- rockbox never was that huge ... 20.25.33 # http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi says otherwise (you can always check for errors/warnings here) 20.25.48 # bluebrother: VMware image is my guess 20.26.11 # might be. 20.26.24 # how nig is the doom sourcecode folder supposed it be i had it at 4.2 something now its a little more than half 20.26.26 # xqtftqx: have you rverted all changes and made sure to "make clean"? 20.26.29 # xqtftqx, maybe you accidentally modified a source file 20.26.48 # SETH_HIKARU: download it and find out... 20.27.11 # um i did 20.27.20 # then what is the issue? 20.27.24 # whatever mabye when i patched it i made it bigger 20.27.34 # how do i use RAMU 20.27.37 # nope no modife 20.27.56 # what is ramu? 20.28.11 # the patches wont show up in there do i have to drag and drop 20.28.13 # xqtftqx: did you revert all changes? 20.28.14 # omg 20.28.22 # nobody knows what RAMU IS 20.28.24 # scorche|sh: I think it was an unofficial installer 20.28.28 # no 20.28.37 # it was a patcherbuilder and zipper 20.28.41 # Ramses, the great pharao of ... hmm, what was it? 20.28.43 Quit krz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.28.48 # patcher, builder, and zipper 20.28.53 # it did it for you 20.28.59 # well, nothing we support at least. 20.29.03 # indeed 20.29.04 # yes u do 20.29.08 # therefore, nothing we even need to know about. 20.29.13 # SETH_HIKARU: go bug whoever made it 20.29.16 # because it wouldnt be no your website 20.29.21 # oh 20.29.22 # wait 20.29.22 # * gevaerts wonders what "u" means 20.29.23 # NO. We DON'T support unofficial stuff. 20.29.27 # there was an email 20.29.29 # bluebrother: the ounofficial installer was called "RIX" I believe (Rockbox Installer X or so) 20.29.31 # but 20.29.36 # no 20.29.48 # im not looking for or an installer nor using one 20.29.54 # SETH_HIKARU: you are being seriously spammy...stop and put full thoughts on ONE line please 20.29.57 # im using a patcher prgram 20.30.01 # pixelma: ah, right. But wasn't there another one? Anyway, not important -- we have our own official one now ;-) 20.30.18 # * bluebrother suggests using "patch" 20.30.19 # well whats your official one know 20.30.22 # bluebrother: we do? 20.30.35 # SETH_HIKARU: please see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 20.30.44 # scorche|sh: I was referring to an installer :) 20.30.50 # RAMU is some script someone put in the wiki 20.30.56 # lol no thats complicated and can take a long time to use 20.31.03 # this is simpler 20.31.04 # bluebrother: i didnt know we had some sort of installer ;) 20.31.06 # so goodbye 20.31.08 # anybody can edit the wiki. 20.31.09 Quit SETH_HIKARU ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.31.18 # * scorche|sh facepalms 20.31.19 # right, we only have Rockbox Utility ;-) 20.31.22 # pff 20.31.48 # * scorche|sh wonders wy we get cursed with these individuals 20.32.03 # * scorche|sh blames doom 20.32.10 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m251.net81-66-107.noos.fr) 20.32.33 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.32.47 # we should remove doom ;-) 20.32.49 # scorche|sh: you have commit access, so you can fix that ;) 20.33.09 # speaking of doom, why is it there if it doesn't work out of the box? :P 20.33.27 # I tries it last night and was disappointed when I saw the error about a missing WAD file 20.33.43 # yeah, would make a nice first nice commit... ;) 20.33.43 # agaffney: neither does pacbox, rockboy, the spectrum emulator, etc 20.33.43 # and yes, I know *why* it isn't there by default 20.33.45 Quit mirak (SendQ exceeded) 20.33.46 # WAD files aren't open source 20.33.56 # I know 20.34.15 # * scorche|sh edits the wiki 20.34.19 # * wpyh hopes he's not one of the curse bringers 20.34.23 # I was just excited when I saw it in the menu and then disappointed when it didn't work ;) 20.34.26 # agaffney: the rest also needs files that we don't provide. Things like the audio player part,... 20.34.34 # but I already know *why* it doesn't work 20.34.34 # gevaerts: good point ;) 20.34.37 # gevaerts: pfft....logic 20.34.40 # agaffney: rbutil can install the needed files (only freedoom) :-) 20.34.43 # I'm impervious to it! 20.34.44 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.35.05 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m251.net81-66-107.noos.fr) 20.35.38 # * bluebrother spots domonoky 20.36.27 # * domonoky spots bluebrother :-) 20.36.29 # domonoky: I have an interesting problem with the tts configuration: on my freshly installed w2k I can select SAPI5, but as I don't have the speech SDK installed I have no voices around 20.37.37 # but I can't close the "configure tts" window -- changing the close() call to hide() makes it work again, but (a) I don't think that's a proper solution and (b) I don't understand why close() doesn't work 20.37.41 # any idea on this? 20.39.35 # bluebrother: pixelma: now on the devcon adgenda =P 20.41.06 # * domonoky has to check the code.. 20.41.07 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.38 # Llorean: Back to the next/prev dir thing, don't you find an equally obnoxious overlapping of functions that the combo press involves the stop button? I'm thinking maybe change it to select+right/left (select and up/down already have precedents) 20.45.59 # Llorean: Talking about the e200 specifically here. 20.47.35 # bertrik: are you interested in the fonts? I mean those I posted on the tracker 20.48.41 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.48.41 Join _w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 20.49.12 # Llorean: I'm going to try and find a way to add the short-dir/long-dir command to the manuals in the meantime, unless someone convinces me that they're going to be removed out soon. It may not be approved by everyone, but it should still be documented. 20.49.13 # wpyh, no, I'm not really interested to be honest, but they look like nice and useful additions 20.49.55 # me too, they look like nice additions 20.50.22 # they don't look very well though, so markun is working on a way to make it look better 20.50.36 # bluebrother: did you try with "this->done()" instead of this->close() ? 20.50.48 # no. Will try ... 20.50.49 # the big problem is that the chinese text is put too high or too low (can't remember) 20.52.53 # doesn't compile -- there is no done() in the class. 20.53.44 # * bluebrother check assistant 20.54.04 # its this->done(int x) 20.54.17 Quit w0rd54 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.25 # just found that myself ;-) 20.54.39 # MarcGuay_: welcome aboard the manual crew. Thanks for putting some work into it, especially native speakers are needed... :) 20.55.32 # pixelma: Glad to join in! 20.55.40 # ok, that makes it work. But I don't understand why close() doesn't :/ 20.56.40 # the Qt docs tells that done() also stops the event loop, which we need to, as we call exec() i think.. 20.56.51 # pixelma: Can I get your opinion on something? I'm trying to document the short-dir/long-dir way of going to the next or prev directory. Unfortunately some players have a combo keypress for this action, while others don't, but ALL players can do the former. 20.57.58 # aaah :) Found it. 20.58.15 # but I'm wondering why it doesn't show that behaviour on linux 20.58.20 # pixelma: So the choice is to have double entries for the targets that can have both styles, or leave the ones that can't do a combo undocumented. Unless the \opt is more flexible than I think... Llorean has also voiced the opinion to just remove the short-long keypress altogether... 20.58.35 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 20.58.43 # bluebrother: your new systeminfo is very nice, but it shows me many duplicate usb ids 20.58.52 # on windows? 20.59.02 # jup, windows... 20.59.25 # interesting ... it's the same scanning code I use for autodetection. 20.59.37 # Could the duplicate ID being the host controller or similar? 20.59.41 # LinusN: how is your GSoC project doing?...can eh put up a wiki page? 20.59.54 # could be... will test a bit :-) 21.00.01 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-18-5.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.00.04 # Hmmm.. I could do a \nopt... 21.00.22 # would be nice if we could add the description from the device, but I don't know how to do that on windows ... 21.00.48 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.01.24 # MarcGuay_: hmm... hard to tell. I know of other cases (like the "standard ok" button) where there are more ways, both are documented and I'd prefer that slightly 21.01.50 # pixelma: It's okay, I think I found a way to do it using the \nopt. 21.02.03 # pixelma: Thanks, though. 21.02.40 # yeah, \nopt is quite handy sometimes... :) 21.03.08 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 21.03.08 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.03.15 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 21.03.37 # pixelma: Another great example of programming language creators thinking they know the best syntax. Just use IF ELSE dammit! :) 21.04.35 # where would be the fun in it? ;) 21.05.27 # how about documenting only the "preferred" combo and putting all others in the appendix? 21.08.54 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.09.21 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 21.10.44 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 21.10.45 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 21.12.12 # pixelma: Question about Latex terms. In the manual/platform files, there seem to be many ways to refer to a device (i.e. e200, SANSA_E200_PAD, sansa)... What's up with that? 21.12.52 # pixelma: Are they just groupings? And if so, what's the difference between, in this case, "e200" and "SANSA_E200_PAD"? 21.13.12 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 21.15.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.15.54 # the e200 is probably not the best example to understand maybe the ondiosp and ondiofm is a better example, they both have the ONDIO_PAD and everytime you reference that you address both, but the ondiofm has some thing the sp does not have (radio, recording) so it's possible to distinguish the too 21.16.24 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 21.16.29 # pixelma: Gotcha. So in the case of the e200 it doesn't make a difference? 21.16.32 # I think it's basically done the same throughout the code 21.17.09 # The section I'm looking at seems to use either reference pretty randomly. 21.17.52 # bluebrother: to get a readable name for a device on windows, just use the same SetupDiGetDeviceRegistryProperty call with SPDRP_FRIENDLYNAME instead of SPDRP_HARDWAREID... and you have the human readable device name in the buffer.. 21.19.32 # and my duplicate usb ids is my webcam (ie a multi-function usb-device, so its more devices under the same id.. we should probably strip dublicates out of the list :-) 21.19.43 # MarcGuay_: well, I'd always use the *_PAD if it's about buttons. Imagine the e200 v2 port comes this far and you'd have the button definitions already "in". But maybe there's one or two features that call for a seperate platform file. 21.20.50 # pixelma: Ok, that makes sense... I'll try to stick to the formula. 21.21.35 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.23 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.06 # just recently I asked myself how to deal with it - in the Rockboy chapter overhaul. There's one thing in the button table - only on greyscale targets you can cycle through the scale modes with the hold switch, but the M5 (greyscale...) and X5 (colour) use the same button pad and so I used "m5"...) 21.28.51 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.29.18 # domonoky: ok, will try that (a bit later -- currently building Qt 4.4 for new static releases ;) 21.30.25 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 21.33.56 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 21.33.56 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.34.17 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.36.25 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 21.37.43 Quit nplus (Client Quit) 21.38.08 # bluebrother: I have a small (I think) feature request for RButil 21.38.57 # When you ask it to install a build to a specific drive, could you have it check the text file and if it doesn't match the build you've asked it to install (for example when you forget to change from "Sansa e200" back to "Gigabeat F" in the settings) prompt for confirmation before agreeing to do it? 21.39.25 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.40.36 # bluebroth3r: I think you just missed me asking you something. 21.41.15 # Llorean: possible. My network connection just dropped 21.41.31 # bluebroth3r: I have a small (I think) feature request for RButil 21.41.33 # When you ask it to install a build to a specific drive, could you have it check the text file and if it doesn't match the build you've asked it to install (for example when you forget to change from "Sansa e200" back to "Gigabeat F" in the settings) prompt for confirmation before agreeing to do it? 21.43.09 # sounds reasonable. I had a similar idea a while back but I only thought of preventing ipodpatcher installing the wrong bootloader 21.43.17 # (as it doesn't check that again) 21.43.41 Join lolmaus [0] (i=lolmaus@83.167.114.28) 21.44.12 # Several times I've accidentally put an e200 build over a Gigabeat build. And it of course still boots, since the old Gigabeat binary isn't overwritten, then nothing really works. 21.44.23 # It's my own forgetting to check, but a confirmation would be neat. :) 21.44.46 # doesnt sound too complicated... i will take a try :-) 21.47.26 # great. Hopefully I can concentrate on the bootloader rework the next days ... 21.48.17 # Thanks. 21.48.18 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 21.48.19 # any playback gurus around tonight? I need a starting point to investigate why playback doesn't start on the D2 until the 'alloc' buffer count fills up. 21.54.38 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 21.54.38 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.55.01 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.55.44 Join micr0c0sm [0] (n=micr0c0s@167.206.202.135) 21.56.14 # so now all the non-text-only wps' need to be updated? 21.56.26 # i.e. I should wait a week before testing the newest rb ? 21.56.42 # a week ?!?!?! 21.56.43 # hahaha 21.56.52 # it'll be AGES before they're all updated again 21.57.15 # Unless you mean the included ones 21.57.17 # why not update now and fix your favourite wps? That'd be way faster. There is even a script around to fix them ... 21.57.30 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=4b596e33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b9f3db9d0e89461c) 21.57.40 Quit crzyboyster (Client Quit) 21.58.19 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=4b596e33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-055d3eebb5c681e6) 21.58.39 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.59.02 Quit mrkiko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.59.06 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.20 # Does anyone know when the rockbox-themes.org site will be back open for uploading themes? 21.59.30 # "eventually" 21.59.40 # meh, i'll just test it out anyway 21.59.51 # just backup my .rockbox dir 22.00.08 # and fix themes if i really need to 22.00.16 # im just lazy 22.00.33 # And when the rockbox-themes.org site is open for uploading again, will the existing wiki galleries be closed down? 22.00.56 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-067218c35f3179fa) 22.01.10 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.01.20 # guys im telling you the build is broken 22.01.40 # xqtftqx: Which build 22.01.40 Quit crzyboyster (Client Quit) 22.01.47 # Gigabeat S 22.01.51 # it wont compile 22.01.59 # settings.c error in "settings_apply" 22.02.03 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 22.02.17 # xqtftqx: did you do a make clean 22.02.27 # yes 22.03.25 # xqtftqx: the build servers have no problems with it 22.03.33 # xqtftqx: gigabeat S build compiles fine here 22.04.07 # im trying it again 22.05.02 # xqtftqx: I can also try it. Normal build? 22.05.05 # xqtftqx: wipe your svn directory and start off fresh 22.05.10 # Yeah normal 22.05.13 # i did 4 times 22.05.23 # http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20080623T182408Z&type=Toshiba%20Gigabeat%20S%20-%20Normal 22.05.25 # and what compilers are you using? 22.05.25 # looks fine 22.05.32 # arm 22.05.36 # even built on my host ;-) 22.05.38 # version? 22.05.43 # latest 22.05.50 # xqtftqx: can you but the compiler messages in some pastebin? 22.05.50 # xqtftqx: and what happens? 22.05.51 # there is your problem then 22.06.02 # hold on ill see if it still happens 22.06.15 # scorche|sh: latest version doesn't build? 22.06.16 # we dont use the latest version of arm-elf-gcc 22.06.29 # ah, compiler.. 22.06.31 # well the one in rockboxdev.sh 22.06.39 # then why did you say latest? 22.06.46 # idk, btw it works fine now 22.06.51 # I assume he meant latest build 22.06.58 # Which is what I assumed from it 22.07.08 # i dont know why it wasnt working before 22.07.12 # BigBambi: well, i asked what version of his compiler as a followup 22.07.24 # strange that it didn't work the first 4 times, you must have done something different 22.07.40 # idk maybe 22.07.45 # scorche|sh: Yeah I know, but I can see the confusion in amongst everything else 22.07.57 # what does idk mean ? 22.07.59 # * Bagder finally realizes idk actually means something 22.08.10 # GodEater_: I don't know 22.08.30 # BigBambi: then why use it if you dont know?! ;) 22.08.57 # ok guys, im trying to do something see if anybody can help me 22.09.05 # * BigBambi forsees a humorous circle of misunderstanind :) 22.09.09 # Can i set the bootloader image to be full screen? 22.09.46 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 22.11.08 # LIke make a new image and make it whole screen 22.11.25 # xqtftqx: I don't see why not 22.11.44 # unsupported builds for various models did that before ... 22.11.44 # anybody know how? ive bean trying for a while 22.12.11 # i know but thats by the custom splash patch which doesnt like the gigabeat S 22.13.39 # xqtftqx: But you can just look at their code to see how they did it. 22.13.55 # i tryd 22.14.07 # tried* and it didnt work 22.15.13 # Brb, gotta fix my gigabeats read only problem 22.15.20 Quit micr0c0sm ("Leaving") 22.15.21 Part xqtftqx 22.16.35 # "it didn't work" is such a helpful reply 22.19.16 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.58 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a797d2b4d14adf3a) 22.23.22 # Sorry, it whouldnt build correctly 22.24.40 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.25.21 Quit xqtftqx (Client Quit) 22.25.29 # what did you do?...just copy and paste? 22.25.36 # He's already gone again... 22.25.46 # he reads logs, apparently 22.25.57 # Llorean: but he can read our reply in mibbit 22.26.25 # Can someone please edit FS#9112? 22.26.37 # I've opened the task without editing the properties on the left... 22.26.56 # it should be "Patches" and the category would be "Build environment" 22.27.06 # sorry for the inconvenience 22.27.34 # wpyh: done 22.27.40 # markun: thanks :0 22.27.42 # :) 22.29.08 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 22.30.55 Quit lolmaus () 22.31.11 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3059.gwdg.de) 22.32.14 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.32.36 # * domonoky reports: "work done" to Llorean :-) 22.33.26 # Thanks. :) 22.36.44 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 22.37.22 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.37.57 # domonoky: that was fast ;-) 22.38.55 # it wasnt much, and if know exactly what todo i am a fast coder :-) 22.40.33 # btw, I now have that friendly strings -- my error was forgetting that the LPTSTR buffer is in fact a wchar_t in this case. 22.40.47 # stupid renaming all time 22.42.46 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.43.25 # domonoky: But why two different dialogs for what seems to be the same thing? :) 22.45.00 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 22.45.12 # Lear: to fix that, i would have to rework more. :-) 22.49.20 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 22.49.36 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.49.39 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-74247a7301b4e53a) 22.50.30 Quit xqtftqx (Client Quit) 22.50.49 Join xqtftqxf [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c7da9d9f348afad) 22.51.16 # http://pastebin.ca/1054247 will somebody look at that my gigabeat s mounts as read only in linux 22.53.20 # did you mend the partition table ? 22.53.27 Quit kushal_12_27_200 (Client Quit) 22.53.54 # Yep 22.54.08 # is this a job for fsck.vfat ? 22.54.16 # im doing this now 22.55.50 # fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sdb Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? 22.55.57 # i unmounted 22.56.12 # what does 'mount' say? 22.56.19 # fsck.ext2 ?? 22.56.34 # whoops 22.56.54 # Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 255. 22.57.15 # .... 22.57.27 # You don't have a ext2 firlesystem, you have fat32 22.57.32 # *filesystem 22.57.43 # i did fsck.vfat 22.58.01 # You just said you did fsck.ext2 22.58.28 # I think the whoops means fsck.vfat was then tried.. 22.58.38 # ok 22.58.43 # I'm still confused :) 22.58.49 # same 22.59.03 # I mean I'm confused as to what you have done 23.00.02 # BigBambi: I am to :p 23.00.32 # so did fsck.vfat give you the error about 255 FATs? 23.00.35 # ok its working 23.00.39 # first or second fat? 23.00.53 # try both? 23.00.59 # no option 23.01.03 # just first or second 23.01.12 # FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? 23.01.16 # and it gives me 2 choices 23.01.38 # yeah.. as in, try one, and then try the other ;-) 23.02.23 # Large number of bad entries 181/183 23.02.26 # <_< 23.02.50 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.02 Quit mcuelenaere () 23.03.04 # Trunicate to first to 0 bytes and restart 23.03.17 # or Trunicate second to 0 bytes 23.03.34 # umm.... 23.03.39 # * stripwax doesn't know :( 23.03.53 # eniy minie moe 23.04.36 # Fixed it thanks guys 23.04.40 Quit xqtftqxf ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.04.53 # Argh! "For the logs, can you please say what you did?" 23.04.57 # * stripwax sighs 23.05.23 # don't waste your breath - he's a pain in the ass! 23.05.28 # ha! 23.06.04 # btw - do you require floor space to crash on on the 4th ? 23.11.33 Nick MarcGuay_ is now known as MarcGone (n=chatzill@ip216-239-68-107.vif.net) 23.12.13 # I don't think so, but thanks for the offer! Unless, getting from Wapping to south london is going to prove.. tricky.. 23.13.25 # * stripwax wonders about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226?histring=pacbox 23.14.16 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 23.15.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.15.57 Join Rushabh [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-35-80-66.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 23.16.03 Nick Rushabh is now known as Pizza (n=chatzill@adsl-75-35-80-66.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 23.16.05 # GodEater_ - buses look good, ta! 23.16.15 # hi 23.16.56 # stripwax, cool - weren't sure how far away you lived 23.16.59 # anyone know if rockbox for zune is in dev? 23.17.04 # Pizza, no it's not 23.17.06 # no 23.17.09 # :( 23.17.36 # thanks 23.17.42 # GodEater_: which end of Wapping high street were you thinking? If I can walk back to Tower Hill or London Bridge that makes things nice and easy for me. 23.17.52 Quit Pizza (Client Quit) 23.18.11 # shotofadds, I live practically on top of Wapping Tube station 23.18.24 # which of course is shut, but tells you which bit of the street I'm on 23.19.16 # Sure. The bus sounds like a plan :) 23.19.25 # 100 goes to Tower Hill 23.19.49 Part LinusN 23.21.02 # * GodEater_ goes to bed 23.27.22 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 23.29.58 # ok so which of the many z80 emulation cores in rockbox is best? 23.30.21 # * stripwax figures there must be benefits in unifying the zxbox, pacbox and rockboy cores 23.31.38 # * shotofadds was thinking similar thoughts.. but has better things to be doing 23.36.40 Quit dabujo (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.38 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.38.43 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.42.21 # Hmmm, this is iiiiinteresting. If I disable IRAM usage, MP3 decoding goes from 228% to 534% realtime (35.94MHz) 23.42.27 # (on the D2, of course) 23.42.55 # oh 23.44.03 # not a small difference either 23.44.11 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 23.45.09 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.20 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.42 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.54.19 Quit robin0800 (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 23.55.09 # Bagder: yeh, it's a similar story for the other codecs. I think I'll disable IRAM until we understand what the issue is... 23.55.51 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 23.58.30 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi)