--- Log for 24.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.26 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.03.48 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (n=6003b77e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3541145114db9857) 00.03.58 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 00.04.03 # HELP SO I DONT KILL MYSELF 00.04.23 # im trying very hard to apply a patch 00.04.27 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 00.04.29 # that really doesnt exist 00.04.53 # its a gzip viewer 00.05.51 # and it made a whole bunch of files and i assumed to put them in the gzip viewer folder and i put that folder in the plugins folder so am i doing this right 00.06.56 # um hello anyone thee 00.07.02 # help here 00.07.06 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 00.07.34 # that really doesnt exist 00.07.39 # im trying very hard to apply a patch 00.07.49 # its a gzip viewer 00.07.58 # and it made a whole bunch of files and i assumed to put them in the gzip viewer folder and i put that folder in the plugins folder so am i doing this right 00.08.00 # SETH_HIKARU: please don't spam! 00.08.04 # im not 00.08.09 # answe my question 00.08.15 # answer* 00.09.53 # i don't know the answer. and that won't change even if you post your question multiple times. 00.10.11 # so could u build it for me 00.10.16 # and see if i did it right 00.10.23 # that kind of attitude won't help you to get an answer, besides I don't know the patch and don't even understand what patch you're talking about 00.11.10 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9bd9c98bab20caf0) 00.11.20 # i can provide the link and please will you build this for me to see if i did it right please 00.11.22 # Guys, it stoped working again 00.12.14 # SETH_HIKARU: nobody is going to do it for you 00.12.23 # SETH_HIKARU: if you can't build it yourself, use one of the daily builds 00.12.31 # Seth PM Me 00.13.22 Quit SUSaiyan` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.51 # um xqtftqx 00.13.56 # u there 00.14.00 # yes 00.14.04 # reply to my message 00.14.22 # i cant on the web client so wanna hold on and ill download mIRC 00.14.34 # no, mibbit.com 00.14.34 # ok 00.14.35 # i see 00.14.37 # it 00.14.39 # k' 00.14.42 # its up there 00.14.50 # Reply.. 00.23.50 # SETH_HIKARU - to "apply a patch" you need to "set up a developer environment and build from the source code". All the information you need is in the wiki, go read the developer documentation at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226?histring=pacbox and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 00.24.20 # xqtftqx: about your question (is it even one?). You really need to be more descriptive if you want help, "it" could mean anything and last time you left without saying how you fixed your last problem... 00.24.40 # xqtftqx - yes (please check the irc logs - I asked you a question) 00.25.24 # SETH_HIKARU: Please also remember this channel has guidelines, they're linked in the channel topic (the IrcGuidelines page on the Rockbox wiki) 00.25.37 # Its Wierd, it just happens 00.25.42 # i dont know why or why not 00.25.45 # but i have to go 00.25.45 # xqtftqx - please help us to help you 00.25.51 # * stripwax shrugs 00.25.53 # oh well 00.26.15 # ill be back in 20 minutes 00.26.15 Quit SETH_HIKARU ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.26.23 # * stripwax probably won't 00.26.32 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.32.30 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 00.32.47 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.35.25 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.37.21 # OK guys im back 00.38.38 # Whenever i connect it it appears as normal and its just read only 00.38.56 # if you look in the logs i posted a pastebin 00.42.11 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 00.42.24 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 00.44.01 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 00.44.39 Quit ender` (" And the Lord said unto John: Come forth and receive eternal life. But John came fifth and won a toaster.") 00.44.46 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.50.10 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 00.53.31 # fsck doesnt do anything 00.54.47 # Never MInd 00.54.52 # mounted as root 00.59.12 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 01.00.22 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@202.45.112.116) 01.03.42 # Guys why isnt the test_disk plugin included? 01.04.13 # Because it's not needed at all by normal users. 01.04.35 # But it chould be put into the system menu 01.04.49 # It's a plugin... 01.05.05 # So? Cant you link to it in the system menu 01.05.14 # There are very few cases where it's useful, and anyone who's editing disk code and needs to test it can also compile the plugin 01.05.34 # i guess, 01.07.06 # Im running it here and how do i exit it? 01.07.35 # No clue 01.07.41 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.07.45 # lol, i dont think you can, im just reseting 01.07.47 # It's not really intended to be used unless you know what you're doing, and why you're running it. 01.09.03 # I mean, seriously, for all you knew it "tested" the disk by formatting it and then writing to the whole disk or something. 01.09.21 # It's just not good to say "Hey, I'll click that" 01.10.12 # I guess.. 01.10.49 # Jeeze i still cant make the boot logo go full screen 01.11.34 # Did you read the code, understand everything it did, then adapt it, or did you just try copying bits? 01.11.49 # Im looking at the code 01.11.53 # i understand what it does 01.11.59 # not every single bit but most of it 01.13.12 # Then maybe you should test different parts of it, see which part fails, then figure out why it fails. 01.13.12 # Whats the file which tells the DAP to display the logo? 01.13.15 # Incremental progress 01.13.36 # misc.c? 01.14.20 # No clue. 01.15.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.15.54 # does %s display the version? 01.16.28 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3116672a6ed92f26) 01.16.48 # lcd_bitmap(rockboxlogo, 0, 10, BMPWIDTH_rockboxlogo, BMPHEIGHT_rockboxlogo); 01.16.52 # xqtftqx: I have no idea where you're talking about. 01.17.07 # is that it? i think if i change the 10 from a 0 think it will go full screen? 01.17.08 # %s in a printf() style statement usually means "a string, also passed as a parameter" 01.17.24 # Ok 01.17.35 # You might spend some time reading a basic C tutorial and getting more familiar with the language. 01.18.23 # xqtftqx: If you look at the declaration of lcd_bitmap you can find out what the parameters all mean. My guess is that the 0, 10 are X and Y coordinates... 01.18.34 # Please, spend some time investigating the code itself. 01.30.05 # Ha! I found the problem in this patch it forgot a "true" in one of the lines 01.54.54 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 01.56.57 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.59.20 Join SUSaiyan` [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 02.00.11 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.05.37 Part pixelma 02.07.06 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.15.55 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 02.17.26 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.19.54 Join allele [0] (n=allele@CPE-69-23-137-242.wi.res.rr.com) 02.20.36 # I was told rockbox plugins are unable to perform division, what about multiplication? 02.23.07 # This is kinda obviously untrue, since the calculator plugin has a division function 02.23.34 # Where did you hear this? 02.23.34 # division is just multiplying the inverse anyway 02.24.09 # errr...wrong choice of words 02.25.20 # not sure where, the division function in the calculator plugin doesn't use direct division though 02.26.12 # in any case if the multiplication works, then that isn't the problem with what I'm doing 02.26.16 # What exactly do you mean by direct division? 02.26.25 # You simply asked if it's possible to divide in a plugin... 02.26.32 # Or rather, mentioned you'd read it was impossible. 02.26.50 # As it stands, though, it'd be nice to find out where this came from so some clarification can be made 02.27.07 # well not impossible, but I heard no division function was built into rockbox 02.27.49 # I mean direct like the calculator just uses /=, in the calculator it uses a recursive call that uses modulus, don't remember it exactly though 02.28.01 # Well, that is kinda a division function. And it's built into Rockbox. 02.28.12 # Or at least, into a rockbox application. 02.29.20 # You have to remember, these are computers. Somewhere beneath it all, everything is reduced to 1s and 0s and tricks are done to them. 02.29.30 # This is just a case of some of the tricks being more visible than usual. 02.29.58 # Are you sure you have no idea where you read that there wasn't one? 02.30.19 # I think I heard it on this channel 02.30.42 # its not like I passed the information on 02.31.11 # I never suggested you had. 02.31.20 # I was asking about who *did* though, so I could maybe fix that. 02.32.10 # not sure who I heard this from, I could have just misinterpreted what they said as well 02.32.21 # but I'm afraid I have to go 02.32.24 Quit allele ("Java user signed off") 02.39.13 Join maeck [0] (n=chatzill@12.191.223.2) 02.44.52 Join sebajosh [0] (n=sebajosh@70-41-111-112.cust.wildblue.net) 02.47.17 Quit stooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.48.53 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.53.33 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.59.12 Quit maeck ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 03.08.39 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.15.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.21.25 Quit sebajosh ("Leaving") 03.25.44 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 03.31.33 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.52.27 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.52.28 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-200-048.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.52.40 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-200-048.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.54.02 Quit _w0rd54 (Client Quit) 03.54.30 Join w0rd54 [0] (i=blackdev@100mbit.top-site.us) 03.55.34 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ff3e8f7cb78b4ada) 03.56.19 # the c divison operator works fine in rockbox, its just slow 03.57.05 # most if not all of the codecs use it actually, just very sparingly for performance reasons 03.58.03 # saratoga: I was about 80% sure it worked and was just slow, but didn't want to say that without verifying. 03.58.28 # i think you actually have to have it since its built into c 04.00.11 # I kinda expected so, but I'm just not that confident. 04.02.09 # is it faster to multiply by a fraction? 04.03.40 # Shaid: It would be silly if it were. 04.03.48 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 04.03.48 # I assume it's floating point operations that are slow, in general. 04.04.06 # I've heard of stranger things, Llorean. 04.04.31 # Shaid: But as he said, we use them in codecs, which are pretty highly optimized already 04.07.25 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-11fb0cb9fc092570) 04.11.07 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 04.11.24 # fractions imply floating point numbers, which rockbox can't do in hardware, so they'll always be slower then integer multiplies (which can be done in hardware) 04.12.29 Part grndslm ("Leaving") 04.13.26 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.22.03 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.22.59 Quit midgey () 04.25.11 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-82c31568008303e7) 04.27.04 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 04.30.36 # saratoga, fractions imply rationals 04.33.17 # floats are rationals :) 04.33.29 # though i guess you're right you could use fixed types too if you're clever 04.34.25 # back in CS2 we had to write a rational class and some basic accessors/mutators for it 04.34.39 # GCD, rational addition/subtraction/mult./div. 04.34.53 # (for Java, anyway) 04.35.28 # anyway, rationals imply fixed types 04.35.32 # irrationals imply floats 04.36.55 # floats are irrationals... you cant exaclty express 1/3 in a float 04.39.29 # JdGordon: this is off topic, but your statement "floats are irrationals... you cant exaclty express 1/3 in a float" doesn't make sense 04.40.02 # yes it does... 04.40.19 # well.. it does to me anyway :p 04.40.46 # if floats were rationals then you could express 1/3 exactly... 04.40.57 # * JdGordon hopes he isnt getting this whole thing backwards 04.41.58 # Floats are basically irrational because you're dependent on binary math 04.42.06 # But we like to pretend like they're always rational most of the time. 04.42.40 # floats aren't irrational since you can express all of them as fractions 04.42.55 # however, they do not span the entire set of rationals, so there are rationals which are not floats 04.43.42 # I suppose that's true since floats always represent a finite number of digits. 04.43.44 # * wpyh refers to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_number and thinks saratoga has the best explanation 04.44.02 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-24-127-250-250.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.44.18 # afterall, the internal floating point representation is [int]*2^n where n is a signed integer 04.45.16 # here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_number#Representable_numbers.2C_conversion_and_rounding 04.47.16 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7942.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.02.42 Quit markun (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.03.08 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 05.03.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 05.09.08 Quit vort3x (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.09.42 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 05.12.20 # wow a "register at my site and download some random installer" post 05.12.30 # that certainly takes nerves 05.15.31 Quit RoC_MasterMind ("Leaving") 05.15.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.19.10 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 05.50.35 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.52.56 # saratoga: that forum site is a source of pretty horrible users, if past experience is anything to judge on. 05.54.44 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 06.06.54 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.08.04 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 06.09.03 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.09.18 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 06.20.44 Join axionix_1 [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.21.38 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.21.46 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 06.35.06 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.47.46 Join BHSPitLappy_ [0] (n=BHSPitLa@adsl-65-64-201-46.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.48.06 Quit BHSPitLappy (Nick collision from services.) 06.48.36 Nick BHSPitLappy_ is now known as BHSPitLappy (n=BHSPitLa@adsl-65-64-201-46.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.50.41 Quit MarcGone ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 07.02.50 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eeefffbeaa41c024) 07.03.23 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Well I went ahead and forged a note stating otherwise so ha") 07.05.12 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.15.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.17.24 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.20.29 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 07.55.45 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 07.58.01 # Does anyone else find it weird that now when you have "fade on stop/pause" enabled and stop playback from the WPS, that the pause icon is shown during the fade out? 08.00.04 # Well there's not exactly a "fadeout" icon, and people wanted visual feedback that fading had started. I don't know if that's why it does it (I don't remember an explicit change to this end) but it does kill that bird. 08.02.32 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.06.18 Join Catseye [0] (n=792c2767@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-197bec835add88f6) 08.07.02 Quit Catseye (Client Quit) 08.20.43 Quit Zom (Remote closed the connection) 08.20.55 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-79-136-43-44.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) 08.21.34 # PaulJam & Llorean: when did the behaviour change? I noticed that on my iPod, the pause icon is only displayed when playback has completely paused. It would be nice to have another (possibly animated) icon to show that the song is fading out. 08.22.13 # As I said, I don't remember it being changed, and wasn't aware it had. 08.22.22 # wpyh: r17723 08.22.32 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD969.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.23.43 # Probably the best solution would be a blinking pause or stop icon (depending on which status we're fading to) but at least there's now visual feedback the button press was registered. 08.24.04 # thanks, my build is still r17705, which is the old behaviour 08.24.30 # Llorean: I don't object to that either. But both the old and current behaviours are not so good IMO 08.24.41 # This one's much better than the old. 08.24.48 # since you're the dev here, I think we should follow your design ideas then ;) 08.24.55 # But if you submit a patch improving it further, I'm sure it'd get looked at. 08.25.00 # well I think the current behaviour is better than the old 08.25.08 # yep 08.25.39 # and frankly I think your solution (of blinking the icon) is easier to implement than mine (another animated icon) 08.25.52 # thanks, and this one goes straight to my TODO list 08.27.53 Join kfazz [0] (n=ken@76-203-137-185.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) 08.29.47 Quit kfazz (Client Quit) 08.31.27 # PaulJam: that was the requested behaviour... I changed that last week 08.31.37 # blinking could be hard to implement without damaging some existing WPS (for example iCatcher). 08.31.45 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.32.24 # PaulJam: Damaging? 08.32.25 # JdGordon: i was just surprised to see the pause icon when stopping playback. i would have expected to see the stop graphic. 08.33.29 # ah, well... close enough for now I think 08.33.40 # * JdGordon does not like how fading is implemented 08.33.45 # JdGordon: Until someone submits a patch, right? :) 08.33.54 # Llorean: the iCatcher WPS for example has no "blank" graphic for the space where the playback status icons are. the backdrop has a pink area at that position if i see it correctly. 08.33.55 # something like that 08.34.09 # PaulJam: Ah, that can be fixed though. 08.34.18 # fading should be done in the DSP, and handled by playback, not the wos 08.34.19 # wps 08.34.36 # PaulJam: You could even add one more graphic into the conditional, a "clear" one that it alternates for the blink effect. I think that'd be almost essential for it to work well anyway 08.34.52 # JdGordon: it's done like that for historical reasons 08.35.07 # back in the archos days 08.35.19 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 08.35.22 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-99-130-212-119.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 08.35.30 # it's a kludge at best 08.36.01 # yes, I think we can use a clear or transparent icon to simulate the blinking 08.36.33 # Llorean: if you add another state to the %mp tag then i would prefer to add a "fading" state, so WPS designer can decide for themselves if they want blinking (via alternating sublines) or a static image. 08.36.35 # Transparent is bad. I meant "clear" as in, "that space, cleared" 08.37.27 # Llorean: what's the difference? I don't quite get you 08.37.33 # PaulJam: Then you'd need at least two more. "Fading to pause" and "Fading to stop", plus alternating sublines don't work within the conditional. You'd technically have a line alternating between two play icons constantly, just so you can alternate for the blink once you're fading. 08.38.01 # wpyh: To clear a space you can also draw the background color over it, or any other "blank" image (in case the background has some sort of placeholder in that area) 08.38.20 # wpyh: The cited problem WAS a backdrop that shouldn't be seen in that area, so you need something to be seen instead of the backdrop 08.38.26 # has anyone tried putting %Vd in a alternating subline? 08.38.31 # in a conditional 08.38.46 # Llorean: oh... ok, I get it now. 08.39.02 # We can use a "hollow" play and pause icons then 08.39.31 # for fade-out, we blink by alternating the "full" and "hollow" play icons 08.39.42 # for fade-in, we blink by alternating the "full" and "hollow" pause icons 08.39.44 # how about that? 08.39.48 # wpyh: They're wps bitmaps. The author can pick... 08.39.54 # Llorean: would it be a problem to have the subline most of the time alternating with the same content? my WPS already does that for the charging animation and i haven't seen any issues. 08.40.09 # PaulJam: The more work being done by the WPS, the worse battery life gets. 08.40.23 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.40.26 # As it is there's already a significant battery life difference on some players between being in the WPS and being in the menu 08.40.58 # there is? 08.41.02 # Yup 08.41.19 # JdGordon: i use "%t4%Vda;%?bs<%t4%Vdb|%t0>" in my WPS and it works fine (if that's what you menat). 08.41.38 # ok 08.41.46 # PaulJam: ah, yeah, maybe :) 08.42.05 # which means we just have to provide the mechanism 08.42.21 # * amiconn didn't see significant differences in battery life caused by the wps, with one notable exception 08.42.41 # amiconn: iirc, buschel did the test? 08.42.53 # So it was on a 5G probably. 08.43.03 # If the wps has peakmeters *and* codec+dsp are almost maxed out, battery life decreases because buffering time increases a lot 08.43.24 # Had that on my 2nd Gen with ogg and the old, slow lcd driver 08.45.07 # That, and the fact that the CF mod substantially increases runtime is what makes me think that our disk access is a significant (if not the major) reason of our battery runtime being less than that in the OF on PP502x 08.45.37 # amiconn: someone has to work on the DMA hardware for that 08.45.39 # PP502x can do ata dma according to the product brief. We need to find out how... 08.47.33 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.47.57 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.48.12 # yeah, that's what we need to do 08.48.23 # probably some hardware expert among us :) 08.51.50 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.53.59 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.56.00 # Llorean: i don't know how this works internally in the WPS code, but maybe the WPS designers could avoid the alternating-between-identical-content problem by using %t0 in the second subline where appropriate. 08.58.04 # I'd be awful surprised if %t within a conditional could change the timing of a line. 08.58.24 # Llorean: it can 08.58.48 # Seems odd to me. 08.59.14 # Still, seems a bit of an inelegant solution. Lots of WPS code duplication. 09.03.06 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 09.03.57 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.07.10 Quit k4y (Remote closed the connection) 09.07.32 Join k4y [0] (n=jackass@dsl-241-201-87.telkomadsl.co.za) 09.07.42 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 09.07.53 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.08.51 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.12.41 Join merbz1 [0] (n=benlar@193.13.246.198) 09.14.19 Quit nuonguy (Excess Flood) 09.15.37 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.15.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.18.24 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/06/24/rockbox-devcon-tshirts/ 09.19.28 # B4gder: thanks 09.19.44 # different colours again? 09.20.09 # yeps 09.21.31 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 09.21.37 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 09.22.39 # Buschel: looping a 7 minute file (320kbps mp3) in the OF of my 80GB iPod Video gets 22 hours of runtime 09.22.52 # Buschel: I'll test with other bitrates and see how it correlates 09.29.27 Quit merbzt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.31.24 # amiconn: is 8705 still a problem? 09.37.50 # PaulJam: is 8729 still a problem? just tried your attached zip and config in the h300 sim and seems fine 09.38.12 # JdGordon: i'll check 09.39.35 # arg... pictureflow seems to be fubar :( 09.40.15 # JdGordon: seems to be fixed. 09.41.47 # JdGordon: i was wrong, the problen is still reproducible here (forgot to enable paginated scrolling) 09.43.29 # arg, nuts 09.43.35 # * JdGordon double checks paginated was enabled 09.45.07 # PaulJam: have you got the folder title enabled? 09.45.17 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.45.18 # ... not that that should change anything... 09.45.50 # anyone else think it would be good to give bascule commit access? he seems to like editing the manual... 09.45.51 # no, the best way to reproduce would be to load the default settings and load the cfg in the folder 09.46.45 # AH! ok, its font dependant 09.46.53 # JdGordon: I'm for it. 09.47.27 Join Kyle123321 [0] (n=d8e810c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d1c71d7284f44b1d) 09.47.52 # Is anyone there? 09.47.59 # nope... noone 09.48.11 Quit Kyle123321 (Client Quit) 09.49.01 # I think he believed you. 09.49.15 # haha 09.50.30 # * pixelma wonders whether this was the same person scared away on Saturday... 09.52.10 Nick merbz1 is now known as merbzt (n=benlar@193.13.246.198) 09.53.52 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.01.09 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 10.01.38 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 10.01.59 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.09.45 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 10.15.06 # who knows the pictureflow code? 10.15.32 Join webguest02 [0] (n=c181f701@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-38d2d14598b9b07a) 10.15.40 Quit webguest02 (Client Quit) 10.16.22 # JdGordon: nico_p I think did poke on it 10.18.44 Quit doke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.50 Join bascule [0] (n=c181f701@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-14bfc6fed5400166) 10.22.20 # Slasheri: you round? 10.26.28 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d9f9c7668225a1d) 10.28.14 Nick bascule is now known as ThisOneCantBeAlr (n=c181f701@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-14bfc6fed5400166) 10.28.23 Nick ThisOneCantBeAlr is now known as bascule (n=c181f701@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-14bfc6fed5400166) 10.30.28 Join webguest77 [0] (n=d4cc2f81@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2a220151d7f67dc4) 10.31.06 Quit webguest77 (Client Quit) 10.31.39 # how the heck do you get a sorted track listing from tagcache? 10.36.24 # about the file cache 10.36.59 # If I create a playlist with one song and set Repeat to One, then RB will reread the disk every second time 10.37.44 # so, at first playback it will read the disk, then for the second playback it won't, then just before the third loop it will reread the disk, for the fourth loop it won't, for the fifth it will, and so on 10.42.47 Quit Hidden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.52.24 Quit bascule ("really...must...do...some...work") 11.05.06 # wpyh: depends on the size of the file... it will be buffered as many times as it fits in the buffer 11.14.40 # JdGordon: you can't get it sorted if you apply any filters or clauses (you have to manually sort it then) 11.15.42 # ok, so I'm trying to fix pictureflow so the tracklist is in the correct order.... how do i get a track number from the search entry? 11.15.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.16.37 # http://pastebin.com/m71315288 is the relevant bit 11.18.41 # JdGordon: you can use tagcache_retrieve() for that 11.20.03 # or just a moment.. 11.20.23 # sorry, tagcache_get_numeric 11.21.40 # just give a valid tcs struct of the current search to it and tag_tracknumber as the second parameter 11.21.58 # ok, need to add it to the plugin api :( 11.22.37 Join GG [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b10704723b0e0285) 11.22.54 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.23.00 Quit SUSaiyan` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.23.15 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 11.23.50 Nick GG is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b10704723b0e0285) 11.24.08 # Slasheri: ah, great, thanks 11.25.18 # :) 11.27.05 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 11.31.58 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c04c59896eefe8a0) 11.34.42 # * JdGordon isnt sure how he should handle tracks without tracknum tags 11.49.42 Join Corsac [0] (n=yap@molly.corsac.net) 11.49.45 # hi there 11.50.48 # Corsac: hi 11.53.17 # I have a question about rockbox 11.53.31 # I have a (now quite old) rockbox install on my iriver h320 11.53.37 # which is out of power, kind of 11.53.49 # I don't have my AC here, but I do have my usb cable 11.54.10 # so I plugged it, it boots, says "battery low", then goes to "Bootloader USB mode" 11.54.26 # I wanted to know if there's a way to boot "normal" rockbox 11.54.34 # so I can make sure it charges through the usb port 11.54.54 # I'm not quite sure what you're asking 11.55.05 # the bootloader USB mode allows access to the same file system that "Normal" rockbox does 11.55.39 # yup 11.55.53 # it appears correctly detected in my linux box 11.56.06 # ah sorry, I misread "charges" for "changes" 11.56.13 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.56.19 # but I would like to boot rockbox so I can access the files, play them, set options etc. 11.56.23 # LinusN would know best if charging through USB works with the USB bootloader mode 11.56.35 # currently I have the "Bootloader USB mode" printed on the screen 11.56.38 # and can't do anything 11.56.55 # will it boot up enough to go into Rockbox without the USB cable plugged in at first ? 11.57.15 # no, it doesn't have any power left, it seems 11.57.34 # then I think you're out of luck probably 11.57.41 # sounds like you need to buy a new battery 11.58.48 # eh? 11.58.52 # why so? 11.59.00 # my battery is ok 11.59.13 # just I dont *currently* have any power left, and I don't have my AC cable 11.59.34 # so I want to charge it through usb port 12.00.06 # ah ok 12.00.09 # Corsac: do you have USB charging enabled in the OF? 12.00.37 # if so, you can hold REC to boot into the OF, and let it charge 12.00.47 # rockbox rocks me 12.01.22 # OF = OpenFirwmare? :) 12.01.35 # hmhm, 12.01.39 # I guess the charging is enabled 12.01.45 # because now it boots without the USB cable 12.01.56 # (it says it doesn't have power left, but at least it boots) 12.02.40 # I'll let in in bootloader usb mode for a while 12.03.23 # OF = Original Firmware 12.04.02 # ok thanks 12.04.24 # urf, I'm stuck in a loop OF/rockbox ¬¬ 12.04.47 # a non-charging one :/ 12.05.37 # congratulations :-) 12.05.57 # thanks /o\ 12.06.02 # 2.80V 12.06.06 # ouch 12.06.06 # >< 12.06.29 # better leave it then 12.06.54 # when I plug it, RB starts, says battery low, then shutdowns 12.07.46 # (same goes for OF :) ) 12.07.51 # I think by "leave it" LinusN means, stop trying to turn it on, and wait till you can charge it via AC, or you risk deep discharging the battery 12.07.55 # touch luck 12.08.17 # GodEater: yep, I understood 12.08.21 # no music for today 12.08.32 # that is a major flaw in the bootloader 12.09.11 # i'm hoping to be able to do some bootloader work at devcon 12.09.28 # with my shiny new TBLCF BDM interface 12.09.41 # it'd be nice if the device could charge without any firmware running ;p 12.10.06 # like the h100 could, those were the days... 12.10.31 # I still love my h300 12.15.39 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 12.15.46 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e1ea53657e2ecb48) 12.21.20 Quit AndyI () 12.22.08 Join MTee [0] (n=mt@41.233.155.163) 12.27.14 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.30.17 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-119899.home.otenet.gr) 12.36.55 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.55.35 Join ThibG [0] (n=ThibG@abo-200-239-68.guy.modulonet.fr) 12.58.02 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.02.29 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3029.gwdg.de) 13.10.06 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.13.18 Nick Miles_ is now known as Miles (i=[U2FsdGV@65.98.26.250) 13.15.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.16.30 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.21.22 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.32 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 13.32.32 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.32.42 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.39.40 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.53.04 Join livingdaylight [0] (n=livingda@77-101-174-180.cable.ubr06.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.53.28 # hi 13.53.52 # of the players that take rockbox which is the best? i'm looking at an iRiver h10 for example 13.55.03 # basically i gotz to have flac so either i buy a Cowan machine, which are very expensive, but apparently the only ones that play flac out of the box, or i get a rockbox compatible machine... 13.55.28 # we only care for rockbox here 13.55.44 # and rockbox plays flac fine 13.55.54 # also What determines the sound quality is it the make of the machine or rockbox firmware on it that determines sound quality? the former i presume 13.56.06 # the hw 13.56.07 # livingdaylight: depends on your preferences, have you seen the BuyersGuide page in the wiki? 13.56.15 # pixelma: no 13.56.34 # B4gder: hw? 13.57.08 # hardware 13.57.31 # right 13.57.32 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.58.15 # so, that brings me back to the first question... Which is the best hardware for rockbox... i'd rather get an iRiver than iPod unless the quality of the latter is superior 13.58.39 # Cowan machines are known for their quality of sound but they are expensive machines 13.58.54 # what's the best editor? best food? best OS? best music? 13.59.05 # best is highly subjective 13.59.29 # imo, sound quality differs very little between modern players 13.59.45 # but then I have tin ears 14.00.40 # yes, taste is subjective but there are also benchmarks for quality standardization 14.00.58 # and they show that sound quality differs very little 14.00.59 # there is a clear difference between a 1star and a 5 star hotel 14.01.12 # B4gder: right, well, that's good news then 14.01.37 # thats all i'm asking, coz i didn't know that there is no longer much if any difference as you say between players 14.01.37 # but "best player" is a quite a lot more than just sound quality to most people 14.01.46 # ok 14.02.28 Quit juxtap (Nick collision from services.) 14.03.06 # B4gder: other determining factors in an overall best player would include control pads etc? 14.03.10 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@unaffiliated/juxtap) 14.03.23 # that would depend entirely on you of course 14.03.28 # yes 14.03.54 # but people would probably say controls, storage method, size, weight, how sturdy it is bla bla bla 14.03.59 # although general consensus does seem to be that Cowan do that not as well as iPod for example who seem to do it best. I just don't like Apple as a rule 14.04.06 # right 14.04.42 # colour screen, radio, recording capabilities... 14.04.43 # hence the BuyersGuide wiki page... 14.05.03 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3119.gwdg.de) 14.05.15 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.05.30 # I have a Cowon player. It's a bit expensive, but it's nice. The original firmware works fine, and rockbox now plays sound on it \o/ 14.05.31 # yes, looking at it :) 14.05.51 # ThibG: cowon D2 that is 14.05.55 # yeah :) 14.05.58 # the X5 is cowon too 14.06.00 # ThibG: expensive, yes, that's what i find 14.06.39 # but i've read a lot of complaints of the Cowan machines not being so good on the control side 14.06.41 # and the other iaudio devices 14.06.56 # Cowon 14.07.03 # on the control side, the original firmware is very good 14.07.03 # in London you can hardly find a Cowon machine anymore... 14.07.16 # apparently they had a lot of problems with them 14.07.45 # the h10 iriver is not much different from the Ipods (it has the same CPU but then most of the h10 models have a radio etc.). The H100s and H300s are quite different 14.08.25 # same or similar 14.09.03 # h300 rocks <3 14.09.08 # well, when it as battery 14.09.08 # :/ 14.10.25 # Well, now, I see all the things the original firmware don't have: gapless playback, fade-in/fade-out, replaygain... 14.12.00 # livingdaylight: if you want them for playing flac, maybe storage of the stock device is an interesting factor, mods are possible though within limits 14.13.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet05.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.13.32 # pixelma: indeed. flac take up so much more space so storage is a definite factor. I'm looking at an iriver h10 20gb player 14.14.10 # that's the bad point of the D2... storage... 14.14.25 # not if you get a 16GB SD 14.14.32 # on eBay; just coz i know iRiver's had a good reputation as an mp3 player... i don't know any of the others 14.14.33 # then it'll go beyond the 20gb h10 14.14.41 # ThibG: why? Got some cards... 14.14.55 # but what does a Cowon d2 cost? 14.15.06 # pixelma, B4gder, true, but I haven't :P 14.15.33 # about 250€ when I bought it 14.15.37 # and what can one pick an iRiver h10 up for these days? 14.16.22 # D2 boasts 50 hours run-time, the h10 has perhaps 15 14.16.31 # the D2 is available new, the H10 is not 14.16.36 # the H10 will be MUCH cheaper 14.16.52 # if money wasn't an issue :D 14.17.06 # the H10 is probably the player I'd recommend in last place for using with Rockbox mind you =/ 14.17.18 # I don't know if others feel the same 14.17.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0dd74059da095aa3) 14.17.27 # GodEater k, that's what i came here to find out 14.18.14 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3154.gwdg.de) 14.18.14 # * GodEater thinks the Gigabeat F is probably the highest on his "recommended" list, providing having a radio isn't a must have 14.18.21 # GodEater why do you feel that to be so? 14.19.01 # don't care for radio. or avi just play flac and record would be nice 14.19.04 # H10 runs the same CPU as the ipod, which means no documentation for it, so all the work done on it has been reverse engineering and educated guesses 14.19.32 # ahh 14.19.40 # I've never actually used one, but I hear they can be a bit tricksy at times 14.19.51 # while the Gigabeat F uses a publically documented CPU 14.20.05 # which is much much faster than the iPods 14.20.09 # * livingdaylight has never heard of Gigabeat F 14.20.15 # made by Toshiba 14.20.15 # * livingdaylight googles 14.20.27 # you'll need to get one from ebay, or a refurb place 14.21.00 # but until the Gigabeat S came along (still not a mature port, so not recommending it), it was my favourite player of the 5 that I own. 14.22.04 # the F can't record though (or only with a dock and not with Rockbox), right? 14.22.04 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.22.08 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.22.20 # ah yes, also a good point 14.22.29 # recording is something I never even think about :) 14.23.28 # just mentioned it because livingdaylight said "recording would be nice" 14.23.58 # Gigabyte F Pros — Large hard drive, colour screen   Cons — Sound is very quiet even with decent headphones 14.24.11 # http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/12/preview_tosh_giga_60gb/ 14.24.38 # but I still recommend http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ;) 14.24.58 # I think that con is a complete lie 14.25.05 # I find the Gigabeat more than loud enough 14.30.17 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.34.47 Join funman [0] (n=tg@ip545278d7.speed.planet.nl) 14.34.49 # hello 14.35.26 # where does the iAudio7 come into it? 14.35.39 # there's no working port for the iAudio 7 yet 14.36.00 # and I think the developer who started it has gone AWOL 14.36.39 # my Gigabeat F is also very loud 14.37.37 # I don't think I've ever had to come close to max volume on it - it would hurt 14.38.45 # ebay.co.uk doesn't have a Gigabyte F 14.39.39 # livingdaylight : Giga'beat' 14.40.10 # ooops 14.40.50 # oh, well, Gigabeat neither only skins 14.40.50 # where in the UK are you livingdaylight? 14.40.54 # London 14.40.56 # livingdaylight: maybe this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-Gigabeat-MEG-F40-40-GB-Digital-Audio-Player-MP3_W0QQitemZ300235169283QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300235169283&&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 14.41.13 # livingdaylight: there's going to be a small informal Rockbox gathering next Friday in London 14.41.22 # ok? 14.41.23 # you could come along and have a look at a few players 14.41.34 # that might be nice 14.41.37 # thx 14.41.42 # wherebouts? 14.41.43 Quit MTee ("Ex-Chat") 14.41.49 # 4/07 - "The Captain Kidd" in Wapping High Street. 14.41.56 # post code? 14.41.56 # I've no idea what time we're getting there yet 14.42.07 # E1W something something something ;) 14.42.13 # ok 14.42.17 # it's not far from Tower Bridge 14.42.17 Quit PaulJam__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.42.37 Part B4gder 14.42.43 # E1W 2NE apparently 14.43.17 # 9ish?? 14.43.27 # I expect we'll be there before then 14.43.41 # * GodEater is planning on going pretty much straight from work, which will mean about 6:30 14.43.42 # 7ish then? 14.43.47 # right 14.44.12 # * GodEater is hoping for good weather to take advantage of the beer garden on the river 14.44.25 # oh, and bring your own headphones :) 14.44.38 # and enough money to buy all the devs a beer :) 14.44.58 # * GodEater will have his "will code for beer" sign ready 14.45.25 # markun: thx, i didn't search worldwide 14.46.01 # I bought mine from ebay.com 14.46.02 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.46.17 # was one of the cheapest DAPs I've ever bought, and I've been so pleased with it 14.46.30 # from the manual: "The default directory structure that is assumed by some parts of Rockbox (album art searching, WPS missing-tag fallback) is: /ArtistName/AlbumName/*.ext" 14.46.35 # is that really true? 14.46.37 # even including the shipping fee and VAT from Seattle in the US 14.46.38 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.46.59 # markun: I don't think so - I wonder where that came from 14.46.59 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.47.18 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.47.38 # wow, iAudio7 is smaller than an american express card 14.47.39 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=17778 14.48.21 # recent then 14.49.42 # I think Marc hasn't perhaps understood the description on the AlbumArt wiki page 14.50.21 # I've no idea where he's got that WPS thing from though 14.52.56 # I think that's the same seller I got my F40 from :) 14.53.44 # the cabbiev2 WPS uses the twp parent directories if no tags for artist or album are available. i think that is meant. 14.54.16 # (at least the 220x176 version) 14.54.27 # so that's WPS specific then 14.54.33 # rather than a rule of thumb for the whole of Rockbox 14.54.44 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.54.53 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5096b46db501fcb8) 14.55.34 # i think it is a common practice for wps designers to fall back to the dirnames if tags are missing. 14.55.53 # but you cannot say it's a *rockbox* feature 14.56.06 # there's nothing that enforces that behaviour on WPS designers 14.56.07 Join Me [0] (n=Me@p57A004AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.56.31 # hi 14.56.46 # is there any way to run rockbox on nano 3rd gen? 14.56.50 # no 14.56.54 # :( 14.58.32 # * GodEater wonders if we should get logbot to automatically reply to questions about latter generation ipods and or the Zune 14.59.01 # GodEater: Sounds like a good idea. 14.59.27 # hmm maybe its possible to make a ipod game which enables similar funtionality in newer models? 15.00.47 # maybe it is, but so far, no-one has tried 15.01.11 # If you want to run Rockbox, you're best off buying a compatible model; here's a guide: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 15.01.38 # hehe 15.01.45 # what's the nickname of Michael Giacomelli ? 15.01.51 # saratoga 15.01.55 # thanks 15.02.11 # he didn't put his nick in his source... what a strange guy ... 15.02.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 15.02.48 # not all of us do... 15.03.15 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB203C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.03.29 # okk... 15.03.36 # -k 15.06.27 # that means it's about 8AM for him 15.07.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.07.19 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.08.09 Quit Me () 15.12.50 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.15.26 Quit conley (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.16.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.16.51 Join VanCleef [0] (i=VanCleef@dsl-tregw3-fe43df00-26.dhcp.inet.fi) 15.17.53 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 15.31.23 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.32.21 # JdGordon: hey, I saw you made a pf commit :) Can you then look into http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 as well? 15.33.59 Quit funman ("leaving") 15.35.31 Join funman [0] (n=tg@ip545278d7.speed.planet.nl) 15.36.23 # kugel: I dont really see the point of making it configurable 15.37.01 # JdGordon: the patch does some more, but also explained why I made it configurable 15.37.02 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.37.49 # ah, didnt see the other imrpovements 15.38.10 # "For people knowing there albums very well hide is the best option. For all others "show at the top" is the best option (imo), since it it doesn't destroy the beautiful reflections of the cover with overlapping album titles." 15.40.10 # wouldnt it make more sense then to just leave it on the top? 15.42.37 # I think the setting doesn't hurt. And I think hiding the album name is a very valuable option (I mainly use this) 15.43.00 # bugger it... ok, resync it ill commit it 15.43.02 Join sebajosh [0] (n=sebajosh@70-41-111-112.cust.wildblue.net) 15.43.07 # All settings hurt ;) 15.44.09 # JdGordon: Thanks, I'll do it today or tomorrow. I'm yet waiting for my linux notebook the arrive 15.44.22 # gevaerts: not so much in plugins 15.44.32 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 15.44.37 # * JdGordon might not be so happy to commit it tomorow :D 15.44.58 # Hm 15.45.10 # ok then, let me boot into linux 15.45.13 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 15.45.19 # haha 15.48.24 # * gevaerts never uses pictureflow, so he doesn't know how important this setting is. Therefore he shuts up ;) 15.48.34 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.49.17 # kugel: wanna do 8963 while your syncing it? 15.49.50 Quit funman ("leaving") 15.50.23 # JdGordon: Well, I'd surely like to, but I'm not too into tagcache search stuff 15.50.31 Join funman [0] (n=tg@ip545278d7.speed.planet.nl) 15.51.11 # Slasheri: still round? 15.51.50 # um... I saw someone recommend the cowon d2 player in the irc history, but can find it neither in the buyers guide, nor the daily built manuals. Does it work ok? Will it be supported at some point? 15.52.09 # its close.... 15.52.16 # sound is working which is always a good sign 15.52.27 # But it's still missing a lot of needed features. 15.55.18 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.55.35 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 15.56.05 # thanks JdGordon, LambdaCalculus37. Judging from experience with other players, what's your guess how long it will take until the player is supported? I'm thinking about buying a new mp3 player, and I'd like one that supports rockbox. (and all the players on the BuyersGuide page are out of production) 15.56.08 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.133.11) 15.56.31 # g-ro, it's impossible to say; ports are all different. 15.56.50 # I wouldnt want to guess.... 15.56.55 # You can certainly go ahead and get a D2 if you wish; no one will stop you. :) 15.57.07 # Besides, you can help us test if you do. 15.57.16 # We appreciate all feedback. 15.58.06 # hi, I just installed rockbox on my iPod Photo for the first time 15.58.18 # but all the colors on the player are messed up 15.58.29 # VanCleef: What SVN revision? 15.58.40 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 15.59.23 # r17781 16.00.01 # Can you do me a quick favor, and go to System > Debug > View HW Info? Read for me what your HW revision is, and your LCD type. 16.00.43 # HW rev: 0x00060004 16.00.48 # and LCD type: 0 16.01.47 # VanCleef: I'm working on a small fix for the color corruption on the iPod photos. It should be up on Flyspray (our bug/patch tracker) soon. 16.02.03 # You also have the same HW rev and LCD type as mine. 16.02.04 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.02.17 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.02.18 # So the fixes I have done should work for you, as well. 16.02.37 # ok, thanks a lot! 16.02.54 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.03.06 # VanCleef: Do pop in once in a while, or read the IRC logs. 16.03.14 # That way, you'll know when the patch has been posted. 16.04.00 # I have to fix one more problem before it's ready; the Mpegplayer output is still corrupted, and I'm looking for the values for that to fix them. 16.05.19 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 16.06.46 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.07.08 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.10.48 Part LinusN 16.10.53 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 16.10.56 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 16.11.42 # JdGordon: your centered track list messes my "move tracklist downwards" up a bit ;) 16.14.23 # I know threre are more important things going on now but what's the chance of getting a simple patch 8428 commited? 16.14.29 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.14.43 # JdGordon: I've noticed a bug 16.14.56 # course you have :/ 16.15.06 # JdGordon: The tracklist misses 1 track (and is empty if there's only 1 track in that album) 16.16.47 Quit nplus (Client Quit) 16.17.15 # JdGordon: I can fix it 16.19.14 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-af6817482a5f9117) 16.19.31 # the ffmpeg people seem to be making progress on wma pro 16.19.42 # maybe we'll get something worth porting to rockbox 16.20.35 # saratoga: Cool. :) 16.21.21 Join lawsuit [0] (i=4b2dc305@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6fa3daf4de213c72) 16.21.23 # i'm dying to see how it works 16.21.41 # wma pro is supposed to have a really good quality/bitrate 16.21.58 # is wma pro what's in HDDVD ? 16.22.18 # funman: Read what it is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Professional 16.22.22 # HDDVD uses AAC and some other mpeg formats 16.22.42 # hey saratoga 16.23.04 # 'w' 'm' 'a' 'p' aaah :p 16.23.21 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 16.24.08 # saratoga: you told me yesterday you didn't even test your decoder with wmav1 samples, but I see some code present 16.24.28 # funman: theres some code for it left over from ffmpeg 16.24.33 # i ported it but never tested it 16.24.49 # i don't think wmav1 was ever released into the wild, so there shouldn't be any files for it outside of the ones ffmpeg can create 16.25.05 # (which may or may not actually be wmav1 compliant anyway) 16.25.35 # the two formats are only trivially different in how they store the bitstream, so i wouldn't be surprised if they work anyway 16.27.42 # * ThibG is going to update his nouveau installation, bye 16.27.42 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.27.53 # the ones ffmpeg creates don't 16.28.13 # I think I'll remove the leftover code and send you a patch 16.28.23 # so the next person looking into it will not wonder the same thing 16.28.26 # i don't see much sense in removing it 16.28.32 # unless you want to test it one of these days 16.28.40 Quit ThibG ("Quitte") 16.28.51 # better to just leave it in case you eventually need WMAv1 for whatever reason 16.29.03 # should be trivial to fix if ever needed 16.29.31 # if you can point me to some directions I could have a look - I know jack about decoding 16.30.10 # the fp version of the decoder does it find, so I probably just broke something when converting to fixed point 16.30.12 # except what I learned by using this codec into VLC the last week 16.30.39 # I looked at libavcodec side by side with rockbox 16.30.47 # anyway I'd suggest changing as little as possible in the codec, since it will make it harder to merge in improvements later 16.31.50 # did you consider including your code into ffmpeg upstreame ? 16.32.02 # yes I put some effort into merging it already 16.32.20 # but its difficult to make a dual fixed and fp codec that isn't completely incomprehensible 16.32.35 # eh.. 16.32.57 # i really like the current ffmpeg wma decoder, its the only readable codec i've ever seen 16.33.35 # there's no author in the header 16.33.43 # which header? 16.33.58 # wmadec.c 16.34.09 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 16.34.12 # you'll have to dig through the ffmpeg SVN logs to figure that out 16.34.28 # says fabrice bellard 16.34.41 # and other people 16.34.54 # theres been a lot of people who worked on that codec over the years 16.35.07 # its put together piece by piece by reverse engineering the ms binaries 16.35.28 # and even now theres still 1 WMA codec feature that doesn't quite work right, though no one ever noticed it 16.35.35 # impressive 16.36.28 # I tried putting back the call to pow(), supposing the table was wrong, but had the same effect 16.36.31 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE215D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.36.47 # I'm testing on intel now, since my ARM devices comes with audio not working ^^ 16.36.53 # s/devices/device/ 16.38.04 # this is for the WMA v1 file? 16.38.14 Quit mcuelenaere (Client Quit) 16.38.25 # "this" ? 16.38.35 # the thing you're looking at pow() for 16.38.40 # yes 16.38.45 # also, i would just test on Intel, theres nothing ARM specific about the codec aside from the assembly, and the c versions are equivilent 16.39.09 # yup 16.39.14 # if i had to guess randomly, I'd say its the renormalization thats only done to wmav1 files after requantization in decode_block 16.39.18 Join conley [0] (n=ibcliffo@spode.cs.vt.edu) 16.39.28 # right before streo coding and imdct 16.40.03 # only to wmav2 you mean ? 16.40.06 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 16.40.24 # its only done to wmav1 files 16.40.32 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 16.44.12 # JdGordon: You said you centered the track list, But "titletxt_y = ((LCD_HEIGHT - albumtxt_h - 10) - (track_count * albumtxt_h))/2;" isn't really centered 16.45.01 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 16.45.04 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.38.145) 16.49.25 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 16.52.00 # saratoga: well I got something.. 16.54.47 # JdGordon: Done, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 16.56.47 # - fixed32 tmp = fixsqrt32(itofix32(n4)); 16.56.47 # + fixed32 tmp = fixtoi32(fixsqrt32(itofix32(n4))); 16.57.01 # I get something that "sounds like" music 16.57.24 # kugel: good, done, your in credits yeah? 16.57.47 # JdGordon: Sure :P 16.58.34 # the default is to show the album at the bottom still? 16.58.52 # Yes 16.59.30 # ZzzZ, firefox still makes comments upon refreshing a tracker page :( 17.00.25 # JdGordon: feel free to change the default 17.01.00 Join ygolohcysp [0] (n=62dcbd9e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-130f85b1af845eae) 17.01.31 # something no worky anymore.... its not reading any bitmaps 17.01.46 # well.......... 17.02.12 # JdGordon: Try deleting the pictureflow folder 17.02.46 # JdGordon: it's possibly that pf doesn't accept existing bitmap chache due some changes 17.02.54 # possible* 17.02.57 # done that already... twice 17.03.07 # read_bmp_fd: Bitmap too wide (62465 pixels, max is 220) 17.03.18 # HM 17.03.24 # It works on my sansa 17.03.42 # then no albums found... 17.04.22 # Sim is also fine 17.04.49 # im testing in h300 sim 17.05.16 # anyway, 1am here.... 17.05.19 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.05.31 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 17.06.38 # funman: good eye! 17.06.43 # no 17.06.51 # I just do random changes 17.06.55 # calling a fixed precision sqrt on an int is likely to fail 17.06.55 # I never used fixed point 17.07.36 # however, since n4 is a power of 2, theres a better way to compute the sqrt 17.07.46 # fixed32 -> do I assume the first 16 bits are the integer part and the other 16 are the decimal part ? 17.07.47 # i'll commit a proper fix to rockbox, then you can dump the patch if you want it 17.07.55 # correct 17.08.25 # I'm using printf("%d") but that's obviously incorrect ;) 17.09.14 # theres a fixtofp function or similar in the zip I sent you the other day 17.09.23 # check in the fixed.c file 17.09.42 # it gives you the float 17.09.53 # рок поле сбоя 17.10.04 # that way you can compare to the float version if needed, though hopefully you won't have to do that 17.10.16 # ygolohcysp: English only, please. 17.10.30 # hmm actually you're right about the sqrt thing, theres no shorter way to do that 17.10.36 # i'll commit as is 17.10.58 # funman: whats your name? 17.11.13 # I can't type it properly on this US keyboard 17.11.20 # /whois funman 17.11.21 # :) 17.11.27 # puis-je parler français? 17.12.13 Join flux [0] (i=flux@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) 17.12.23 # JdGordon|zzz: well, it even works on my h300 sim 17.13.07 # hello. I finally received my replacement hd for iriver-hp120, but I'm unable to find hints on what to do after installation: should there be a partition, should it be fat32 or fat16? 17.13.20 # FAT32. 17.13.42 # ygolohcysp: no, not even french. What's the problem? 17.13.49 # lambdacalculus37, one partition or no partitions? 17.13.55 # One partition. 17.13.58 # thank you 17.14.25 # /whois funman 17.14.36 # is that not an irc command 17.14.45 # you have put an extra space in front of it 17.14.47 # saratoga: it gives back a name 17.15.00 # I'm Rafaël Carré 17.15.09 # (yes, I could use copy and paste....) 17.15.46 # ok i'm going to commit that as is since i don't have a v1 file to test with 17.16.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.35 # ffmpeg -i source -acodec wmav1 test.wva :) 17.16.52 # hmm svn doesn't like the characters in your name so you're getting anglosized i guess 17.17.05 # that's no big deal 17.17.56 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@79.131.153.25) 17.18.12 # aah, finally, my rockbox came back to me. and an updated version, too.. 17.18.50 # int tmp = ... even 17.19.01 # saratoga can I convice you to commit a small patch 17.19.13 # patch 8428 17.19.14 # JdGordon|zzz: Good that you didn't that you didn't commit yet, the covers have been a bit too small on a h300 17.20.37 # itcheg: i've never used that plugin and I don't have an ipod 17.20.41 # what exactly is that doing? 17.21.55 # je ne parle pas Anglais. Mon rocher case n'est pas correctement de travail. pas de jouer des chansons, et aucun écran. 17.22.21 # I'm french and I can tell you this is coming directly from Google translator :D 17.22.22 # ygolohcysp, english please 17.22.31 # "rocher case" = 17.22.37 # "rocher case" = "rock box" 17.22.52 # saratoga: FS#8428 is apparently an improvement for scroll wheel control in the Sudoku plugin. 17.23.25 # well yeah i got that, but thats all its doing? seems like something that could have gone in a long time ago 17.24.09 # All it does is change the select button on iPods to change the scroll direction. 17.25.04 # I doont parle pas 'English' 17.25.35 # ygolohcysp: well, then most of us can't help you 17.25.47 # saratoga, LambdaCalculus37: sounds valuable for e200 to 17.27.35 # kugel: Want to modify the patch a little bit to work on the e200, then? 17.27.48 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.14 # vous êtes tous des gens laids qui pue et s'asseoir à leur ordinateur toute la journée à ne rien faire grossir les crapauds! 17.28.49 # ygolohcysp: oui 17.28.54 Join webBot001 [0] (n=62dcbd9e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a31f56f1d1a8fbd0) 17.29.38 # LambdaCalculus37: well, the scroll wheel does nothing on a e200 in sokoban 17.29.57 # kugel: I don't have an e200, so I don't know. 17.30.17 # linuxstb: ping 17.30.34 # But I think it sounds intresting for e.g. rockboxfindskitten (there you move up/down with the wheel and left/right with the left/right keys 17.30.43 Join MarcGone [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-81-249.vif.net) 17.30.49 Nick MarcGone is now known as MarcGuay (n=chatzill@ip216-239-81-249.vif.net) 17.30.59 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 17.32.04 # + 17.32.22 Quit funman ("leaving") 17.32.57 # Je quitte ce dieu abandonné site et obtenir une miche de pain français. ou comme je l'appelle, du pain ordinaire. 17.33.05 # MarcGuay: are you sure that some rockbox parts expect music in a artist/album/track structure? 17.33.25 # saratoga currently the only way to get to a cell is to scroll through line by line, this patch allows you to change the direction of the scrolling 17.33.41 # markun: That was one of Eddy's notes, I figured he'd done his research. Bad assumption? 17.33.54 # I tested it and it works perfectly 17.34.07 # pixelma: Are you going through bascule's patch(es)? :) 17.34.42 # I was just looking at the patches posted there are plenty of good patches that seem to be ignored... or I guess there isn't enough interest in them 17.34.54 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.32 DBUG Sent KICK ygolohcysp to server 17.35.33 Kick (#rockbox ygolohcysp :Rotten persons outside, please) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-797ffec106c19942 17.37.26 Quit krazykit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.39.03 # MarcGuay: haven't started yet but wanted today in the evening 17.39.20 Quit BlakeJohnson861 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.39.50 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.242) 17.42.01 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-99-130-212-119.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 17.42.10 # markun: Hmm, perhaps you're right. When a tag is missing and nothing is given as a backup, it doesn't display anything. Maybe he means the included themes? 17.43.14 # I don't know, but I was just a bit surprised by your commit 17.44.07 # markun: I'll double check with bascule and if he can't explain it I'll take it out. 17.45.03 # maybe it just needs some rephrasing 17.45.10 # does anyone speak greek? 17.46.34 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet07.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 17.46.44 # webBot001: please stop that 17.51.02 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 17.53.20 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 17.53.25 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.53.56 Quit webBot001 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.55.26 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 17.55.27 # MarcGuay: Congratulations on your commit rights! :) You're still lacking a developer cloak though 17.56.23 # kugel: Thanks... and if I knew what a cloak was I would comment? I'm losing some serious nerd points, I know.. 17.57.20 # MarcGuay: it hides your ip address (see /whois MarcGuay) 17.58.04 # MarcGuay: When someone is /whois'ing you, it shows "MarcGuay “MarcGuay”" 17.58.31 # it should be rather like " MarcGuay “MarcGuay”" 17.59.12 # My /whois doesn't even reveal my proper info. :/ 17.59.14 # Not too concerned about that. 17.59.22 # Meh... 17.59.33 # MarcGuay: It's very helpful to identify developers imo 18.00.18 # scorche should be able to sort him a cloak out 18.00.34 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008061017]") 18.00.44 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 18.03.14 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 18.08.09 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.134.242) 18.08.41 Part conley ("Leaving.") 18.17.08 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.18.08 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 18.18.30 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! 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I made an improved version of the cabbiev2 wps file. anybody willing to commit it? 19.01.17 # ZincAlloy: Hey there! 19.01.27 # What changes did you make? 19.02.05 # just some slight improvements of the h300/ipod color version. text alignments and stuff 19.02.45 # everything's exactly where it's supposed to be now. 19.02.48 Quit lawsuit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.03.32 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 19.04.00 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-123-135.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.04.11 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.05.05 Quit vort3x (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.05.09 # I could also include the new plug icon... 19.06.05 # or should we update all targets at once? 19.06.10 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.07.35 # ZincAlloy: I think the last time an update to the default theme was done, it was in chunks, rather than all at once. 19.07.40 # But then again, I could be mistaken. :) 19.10.06 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 19.10.33 # maybe we should do the wps files one by one and the icons all at once, so they all look the same apart from alignment, which is individual anyway 19.12.04 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-123-135.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.12.04 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 19.13.22 # ZincAlloy: posted it once (but maybe got lost in different info) - I'd still like to see some remote hold indication 19.14.47 # yes.. I forgot about that one... we need two more icons, right? one for remote hold and one for remote + player hold 19.15.02 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@lan-84-240-35-19.vln.skynet.lt) 19.16.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.16.20 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.17.24 # well yes, if you don't want a complete seperate icon for remote hold that is. But I think a combined one would be best too, even had a quick try on an idea I had for it. I need to dig up the file... 19.18.47 # I'm for a single icon. making space for an additional icon would be too much of an effort 19.21.11 # I could post the bitmap to the forum thread for discussion once I found it (and am done with some other work here) 19.21.42 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.10 # cool. 19.23.12 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4F637.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.23.15 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.23.34 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 19.24.21 # hey I'd like to know: should I consider learning some theorical bits in electronics during summertime ? 19.24.37 # why not? 19.24.45 # i dont see what this has to do with rockbox though 19.25.07 # alright :d 19.25.45 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (n=a5ea6401@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a83ea9d9b335063f) 19.26.03 # but what shall I know for example to contribute to the NAND driver ? 19.27.11 # I don't understand anything when trying to read some specifications pdf 19.27.20 # how do i compile rockbox in VMware 19.27.28 # is there a link to a page 19.27.53 # SimpleGuideToCompiling 19.28.03 # in VMware 19.28.10 # its also on that page 19.28.29 # Once you are in VMWare do it as anywhere else 19.28.36 # ok 19.28.50 Quit SETH_HIKARU (Client Quit) 19.30.30 # (I meant datasheets) 19.33.04 # I2S, GPIO, ... I'm not too familiar with those things 19.33.27 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.36.20 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-204-174.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.42.45 Join wavy [0] (n=wavy@76-10-180-254.dsl.teksavvy.com) 19.43.14 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.46.04 # ok, so I've got a T60 and I looked at the firmware briefly 19.46.30 # the firmware format is _very_ similar to the Meizu firmware 19.46.46 # of course, we need to decrypt the firmware using irde first 19.47.04 # wpyh: Great! :) 19.47.07 # there is a 512 byte header, and then the firmware, and then the resource section 19.47.19 # wpyh: You know what time it is, right? 19.47.35 # LambdaCalculus37: huh? 19.47.52 # It's time for a new wiki page! :) 19.47.56 # but I don't know how to get the start of the resource section 19.48.04 # LambdaCalculus37: oh! :P 19.48.14 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.48.25 # good idea 19.48.46 # Call the page "IriverT60Port"... should make it easy for all of us to find. 19.49.14 # OK ;) 19.51.03 Join Strife89 [0] (n=cc74f598@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a0b8242e2351f5f2) 19.51.32 # Is it at all possible for me to use .XM (sound module) files? 19.51.43 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 19.52.44 Quit jgarvey (Client Quit) 19.52.44 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.53.44 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 19.54.43 # Strife89: I thought FS#8806 played .XM files, but alas, it doesn't. :( 19.55.23 # Darn. Do you happen to know of any tools that can convert them to proper .MOD files? 19.55.52 # Nope. Did you ask the Great Deity of All Knowing, Google? 19.56.01 # I did. 19.56.27 # But, the two results that appeared worthy produced garbage. 19.57.20 # Don't know what to tell you, then. 19.58.10 # My only other idea would be to run them through an app that can dump the sound to WAV files, which you can then transcode to something Rockbox can play. 19.58.21 # But that's a tale for another channel. 19.58.33 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 19.58.57 # Yeah, I saw a few of those, but I specifally want .MODs which are generally made to loop. 20.02.59 # hiho 20.07.10 # reminds me, can rockbox play sid-files these days? random pages on the web say "yes"? 20.07.59 # I wouldn't know. :( 20.08.17 # I take it FS #8806 has yet to be comitted? 20.09.00 # IMHO, FS#8806 should be rewritten as codecs, instead of a viewer plugin. 20.09.01 # *committed 20.09.02 # hm, I don't know, but would mikmod support sid? 20.09.22 # flux: Rockbox already plays SID files. 20.09.41 # Read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs 20.09.43 Quit wavy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.09.46 # lambdacalculus37, great, so my leeching of HVSC won't be wasted :) 20.10.07 # obviously took the wrong approach of googling the terms instead of searching the list of supported codecs.. 20.10.21 # Lamba: Agreed. 20.12.27 # There's also FS#7331, which adds GBS (Game Boy Sound) playback. 20.12.43 # But that patch is way too slow on anything but the Gigabeat F/X and S. 20.13.01 # hm, .xm and .it-support would agreably be nice, although I understand mikmod isn't the best player around 20.14.40 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 20.21.41 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-445c6d322fdcdd9c) 20.22.24 # Guys, a whole bunch of the patchs are broken now 20.22.31 # because of the recent svn changes 20.22.47 Join Armand` [0] (n=Armand@82-70-188-150.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 20.23.33 # xqtftqx: Then fix them, or wait for the authors to do so 20.23.37 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.23.45 # i cant tell the problem 20.23.53 # its in one of the settings file 20.23.53 # xqtftqx: It is not 'our' responsibility to sync random patches 20.24.04 # xqtftqx: It is a patch, it is not in Rockbox 20.24.06 # i know i just dont get it 20.24.12 # get what? 20.24.41 # q: why would I be getting double entries for the tracks in a particular album in the database, even though there is only one copy of the tracks? 20.24.56 # Armand`: Could there be a copy in e.g. a recycle bin? 20.25.02 # hmm 20.25.13 # Armand`: Add both to a playlist then view the playlist to see if they are really piinting at the same file 20.25.13 # like a .trash, somewhere? 20.25.18 # *pointing 20.25.25 # Armand`: It is a posibility 20.25.37 # will check 20.25.43 # cool 20.26.06 Join disorganizer [0] (n=5b11e6c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96a84d7818fe2a28) 20.26.15 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180069167.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.26.50 Quit disorganizer (Client Quit) 20.26.50 Join MichaelHahn [0] (n=disorgan@p5B11E6C7.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.27.21 # aside from that, any tips on making the interface smoother? I've noticed lag and stuttering in the play/pause button and playback with larger files 20.28.18 # on what DAP? 20.28.37 # iPod 5th gen, 80GiB 20.28.53 # Ive noticed that also 20.28.55 # * BigBambi could have guessed that 20.29.10 # Not so fast processor, seems to have a troublesome disk,... 20.29.12 # it seems to be associated with disk accesses 20.29.18 # :) 20.29.29 # Armand`: Any DSP you have on will make it worse 20.30.04 # afaik, I don't have any dsp, processing, eq, etc. that's not defaults 20.30.27 # JdGordon: if you read the log: when using y or z for the conditional viewports it doesnt work. sim errors out :-) w and x work. also maybe you should mention in the wiki that you can also use conditional viewports with alternating sublines (alternating viewports). 20.30.34 # Armand`: OK, it just looks like you are suffering from the fairly infamous ipod 80 GB issue 20.30.43 # infamous? 20.30.44 # unfortunately 20.30.46 # :( 20.30.48 # Armand`: well know 20.30.51 # ah. 20.30.59 # and mysterious 20.31.05 # yay :( 20.31.30 Nick dionoea is now known as randombot (n=dionoea@videolan/developer/dionoea) 20.31.40 Nick randombot is now known as dionoea (n=dionoea@videolan/developer/dionoea) 20.31.43 # MichaelHahn: i could imagine that is because the maximum nimber of viewports is 24 (and x is the 24th leter) 20.32.58 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.33.12 # BigBambi: i think got the double thing, though; there was another copy in a .trash. thanks on that one. 20.33.16 # *double entry 20.33.16 # pauljam: no. i used a,b for other purposes and y,z for aa. the rest was unused. changing y,z to w,x worked directly. so it can not be the number of viewports. 20.33.32 # Armand`: cool - it is often that, but not always - the database isn't perfect :) 20.33.49 # MichaelHahn: Yes it can 20.33.57 # If there are only 24, that stops with x 20.34.16 # If you try to use a letter after that (y or z), you are trying to access a viewport that doesn't exist 20.34.34 # is there a limit on the number of entries in a playlist? 20.34.38 # It is 24 = a to x, not 24 at random 20.34.43 # Armand`: yes and no :) 20.34.48 # eh? 20.34.55 # but the number of viewports has nothing to do with the number of "viewport sets" for the conditional viewports. also the wiki explicitly states that a-z can be used as viewport-set identifier 20.34.58 # Armand`: No, if you set the max items in playlist setting high enough :) 20.35.03 # hah 20.35.16 # where's the setting? 20.35.16 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.35.21 # anyone own a Meizu M6? 20.35.25 # Armand`: In the manual... 20.35.26 # looks pretty neat 20.36.01 # MichaelHahn: Ah, well I could be mistaken then - I was going on what PaulJam said. Best wait for someone that knows the code (JdGordon for instance) 20.36.02 # MichaelHahn: ok, i see the same isuue in the sim. the strange thing is that the error is shown for the line after the %Vl line. 20.37.37 # BigBambi + PaulJam : yes. thats why i posted it in the log in the hope jdg looks through it :-) if not i propably open a bug report during the next day. i guess nobody encountered it because you rarely use so many viewport-sets *g* 20.38.05 # MichaelHahn: A good plan :) 20.38.19 # nice thing though that the conditional viewports also work in an alternating line, so you can show one viewport set for 10 seconds and another one for 5, for example :-) 20.38.43 # * gevaerts runs away screaming 20.39.18 # MichaelHahn: i could imagine that it would be enought to mention in the wiki that you can use the letters from a to x (since you still have enough letter to use all 24 VPs as conditional VPs) 20.39.36 # not sure if i would call it a bug. 20.39.56 # yay! my first wiki page --> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverT60Port 20.40.10 # It does sound to me like the 'bug' is in the wiki saying a - z is available 20.40.11 # * wpyh wonders why some people runs away screaming quite often 20.40.23 # wpyh: to keep fit of course 20.40.25 # but as i know jdg he looks through the chatlog anyways *g* btw: did someone check the wps gallery? some really ugly custom-build wps is having HUGE screenshots in there :-) 20.40.30 # wpyh: To be subtle 20.40.51 # wpyh: Very nice work! Congrats on your first new wiki page! 20.41.09 # * MichaelHahn recommends buying wiifit to gevaerts--- 20.41.09 # * wpyh doesn't think that's too subtle... :p 20.41.21 # LambdaCalculus37: thanks :) 20.41.28 # * wpyh needs some sleep now 20.41.47 # About the metronome plugin...... This is a shot in the dark (please don't kill me), but would it be a problem to just map "Start/Stop" to the down button on all targets? 20.42.33 # Strife89: wouldn't make sense f.e. on the h100. 20.42.51 # May I ask why? 20.43.25 # Strife89: as I said in the forums - it's not that simple 20.43.28 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 20.44.20 # Alright. I mean, I believe you (you guys have done better than I probably ever will). 20.44.26 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.45.08 # It's just that I'm curious about what makes this situation so difficult (i.e., different from other plugins) 20.50.25 # the metronome plugin uses the so-called "pluginlib actions" system and not simple button definitions or at least definitions on its own which means there are connections to - other plugins and other players. You have to make sure to not break other things, you could use exceptions in the plugin itself for certain players but if one has to start with that why not remove this system? 20.50.26 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.51.21 # or to the least - pull it out of plugins with known problems. Metronome is broken on other players too, for example 20.52.01 # more precise: I mean the controls 20.52.11 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 20.52.41 # besides, using the "down" action on the h100 is kinda annoying for this -- there is a stop button, and pressing down on an ipod f.e. is much "easier" 20.52.48 Join crash91 [0] (n=crash@41.232.206.15) 20.53.01 # (the ipod has the click wheel while the h100 has a joystick so useage is quite different) 20.53.51 # well, discussion about the pluginlib action is on the devcon europe agenda, so maybe this problem is gone next week. 20.54.25 # yep, I hope so and that's why I put it there 20.55.33 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.55.43 # Good to hear - er, read. :) 20.57.15 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 21.01.05 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.01.17 Quit Strife89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.01.43 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.02.43 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Remote closed the connection) 21.03.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7942.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.04.36 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.04 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.12.47 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 21.15.14 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! 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So you can do something like: Detect::mountpoint() or Detect::installedTarget() or Detect::device(). What do you think ? 22.28.24 # they are much more forgiving than they are.. 22.28.34 # errrr...turn one of those into a "we" 22.29.30 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.29.37 # domonoky: sounds good. I also thought about moving all utils.cpp stuff into one class 22.30.38 # .. 22.30.45 # is anyone going to help 22.31.02 # but I kinda want to concentrate on the bootloader class for now ;-) 22.31.05 # Darrell: are you going to follow the rules of this channel? 22.31.08 Quit Battousai (Remote closed the connection) 22.31.32 # * bluebrother points to the channel topic telling where OF stuff goes 22.31.53 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 22.32.24 # ipl is more or less dead anyway, so archive.org's version should be enough ;-) 22.32.31 # * Bagder ducks and runs 22.34.36 Join Battousai [0] (n=bryan@maduin.southcape.org) 22.36.39 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 22.37.02 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.41.25 Quit mcuelenaere (Client Quit) 22.41.36 Quit Darrell ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 22.42.13 Join youtux [0] (n=youtux@host-84-221-235-239.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 22.42.27 # exit 22.42.31 Quit youtux (Client Quit) 22.44.30 Join youtux_ [0] (n=youtux@host-84-221-235-239.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 22.44.34 Quit youtux_ (Client Quit) 22.45.42 Join youtux_ [0] (n=youtux@host-84-221-235-239.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 22.46.01 # hi, anyone in? 22.46.10 # yes plenty 22.47.09 # i just want to ask: the development for ipod 6g is stopped? 22.47.16 # It never really started 22.47.20 # stopped? There hasn't been any 22.47.39 # will it start in future? 22.47.51 # If an interested owner works on it 22.47.54 # no. 22.48.04 # Ports are not planned. They are done by interested people 22.48.19 # But don't hold your breath - it has encrypted firmware and undocumented hardware 22.48.33 # if i can , i would like to help, i have an ipod 6g 22.48.54 # Are you any good at breaking ancryption? 22.48.59 # *encryption 22.49.50 # actually i don't know how to do some hacks on it 22.50.08 # like change firmware 22.50.19 # There is a huge amount more to it than that 22.50.48 # And to be brutally honest, I doubt there is anything you can do without a seriously large amount of studying 22.53.51 # and then in the end, studying won't be enough 22.54.13 # since brute-forcing or physical analysis problem is required 22.54.26 # s/problem/probably 22.55.09 # i can't understand one thing: on the older generation of ipod the installer write raw data on the disk, am i right? 22.55.32 # yes 22.56.07 Join lawsuit [0] (i=4b2dc305@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-669230cebe3c5ec3) 22.56.31 # but it only write on the partition where ipod OS read the files, am i right? 22.56.47 # sorry for my english :) 22.57.38 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.59.26 # well, not only there 22.59.39 # the bootloader would go there I think 23.00.14 # when i connect my ipod, i can see on dmesg it is discovered like a pen drive 23.00.29 # what do you mean? 23.00.31 # so i can't understand where can the program write 23.00.44 # i mean, where the installer write the firmware? 23.00.59 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.02 # we have no installer for the 6g 23.01.05 # so it writes nowhere 23.01.18 # yes, i'm talkning about the 5g installer 23.01.34 # that doesn't work on the 6g 23.02.25 # ok, so i didn't understand anything :) 23.03.04 # you're asking about an install procedure on different ipods and comparing with the 6g and you can't do that 23.03.27 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3F516.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.03.32 # ok, thanks 23.03.50 # most players rockbox runs on have their own install procedure and making that work is part of the port to a new model 23.05.04 # but the 6g is completely different 23.05.13 # exactly 23.05.31 # thus it would require a new install method 23.06.47 # and a completely new thing to install with that new install method 23.07.41 # no one knows how itunes upgrade the firmware on ipod? 23.07.58 # i mean, how it can write the firmware into the ipod 23.08.28 # most players rockbox runs on have their own install procedure and making that work is part of the port to a new model 23.09.05 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=abc@p54A3F516.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.09.11 # so you in the 6g porting team need to figure that out 23.09.47 # ok, thanks for the explainations 23.09.58 # youtux_: you might want to read this forum topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 (not sure if it contains any useful information) 23.10.44 # Llorean: from lcdframerate wiki you cann furthermore see that a 5G needs about 0.8MHz per fps. WPS is drawn @5 fps, which needs about 4MHz, which consumes ~1,3mA. this current is similar to what you may calculate from the runtime difference and battery capacity -- for a WPS without peakmeters 23.12.11 # The wps doesn't redra the complete lcd content every time 23.12.12 Join Ozaru [0] (n=57716a91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8b764f1fb8842bdb) 23.12.19 # s/redra/refresh/ 23.13.33 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.04 # amiconn: sure about this? when i took a look at the source it called lcd_update() 5x per second. which does full transfer of the rectangle 23.14.14 # eh? 23.14.20 # Since when does it do that? 23.14.43 # i don't know... that's what saw when i played around with it some months ago 23.14.55 # let me check 23.15.08 # Hmm.... maybe I confused something, and it updates only part of the framebuffer, but transfers everything 23.16.02 # Hi all. I've installed the current build on a 1G iPod nano using rbutilqt: no errors. But when I try to reboot into RB it gives an ATA -11 error, goes to the debug screen, then lapses into Panic ATA: -11. Reboot into the original firmware and everything works fine. The battery is new and fully charged. Any ideas what might be wrong or where I should look for more troubleshooting hints? 23.16.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.16.56 # amiconn: sounds reasonable. but the fps-measurement shows the performance of the transfer, right? 23.17.06 # yes 23.17.52 Join Strife89 [0] (n=cc74f598@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e22dd4dca718640f) 23.18.38 # Well, unfortunately, I fear I have messed up my uncle's Sansa (details in a sec). 23.18.39 Join Welder [0] (n=0c23c06f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-990706c200c4328d) 23.19.06 Nick Welder is now known as rocketteem (n=0c23c06f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-990706c200c4328d) 23.19.18 # Thus far I have downgraded his OF from 1.01.07P to 1.00.01 sucessfully. 23.19.23 # PaulJam: thanks for the link 23.19.33 # I followed the instructions in the Wiki TO THE LETTER. 23.20.05 # in the wiki?...we recommend using the manual 23.20.28 # On my uncle's PC, as a limited user (Windoze XP), I then attempted to install Rockbox itself with Rockbox Utility. 23.20.41 # Of course it failed; I was not an Admin. 23.20.43 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 23.20.44 # amiconn: it's hard to search for code in svn via browser :/ but afaic gwps->display->update() calls lcd_update() 5x per second in gui_wps_refresh() in apps/gui/gwps-common.c 23.21.03 # scorche|sh: as far as I know downgrading the c200 OF to 1.01.00 is not explained in the manual - and you need it if you want to have a MSC mode setting 23.21.18 # amiconn: even if nothing changes (not even the progress bar) 23.21.39 # So I simply transferred my uncle's music to AUDIO and copied /.rockbox to its proper place, and decided to deal with Sansa Patcher on my own PC 23.21.55 # Hell, quick question. I just got rockbox on my Sansa E2600, but am having issues figuring out how to access viewer applications. For example, how do I load a ROM for the Rockboy. Only menu selections I have: FIles, Database, Resume Playback, Settings, Recordings, RADIO, Playlists, Plugins,System 23.22.20 # pixelma: oh...i thought he was referring to the install instructions 23.22.21 # Strife89: please post the link to the instructions you followed. so people can undestand better what you did. 23.22.23 # rocketteem: Browse to the ROM in the filebrowser and 'play' it as you would music 23.22.26 # Now, however, my uncle's Sansa is stuck on an empty progress bar on "Refresh Database". I cannot connect it to USB. 23.22.34 # Paul: Okay, hang on 23.22.39 # rocketteem: what does the start of the viewers section in the manual say... 23.22.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port 23.22.51 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (i=SETH_HIK@host-126-183-3-96.midco.net) 23.23.16 Quit Buschel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.23.19 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-build.html 23.23.58 # My mistake, I downgraded to version 1.01.00 (NOT 1.00.01) 23.24.06 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (n=abc@p54A3F516.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.24.10 # Ok, thank you very much. Have a good day 23.24.10 # Buschel: Thanks. 23.24.16 Quit rocketteem ("CGI:IRC") 23.24.58 # I followed the instructions here (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode) to the LETTER. 23.24.58 # why would you downgrade the only reasons i can think of is if you have problems or your hacking something 23.25.14 # SETH_HIKARU: so you can get UMS mode and therefore install Rockbox 23.25.17 # I downgraded because there was no MSC mode. 23.25.32 # Llorean: you're welcome :-) 23.25.32 # ok what is that 23.25.35 Join SUSaiyan` [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 23.25.38 # Strife89: Including with the extra UMS key combination? 23.25.44 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl8-0-198.dsl.telepac.pt) 23.25.44 # SETH_HIKARU: please do some research...wikipedia is nice 23.25.44 # ??? 23.25.58 # SETH_HIKARU: universal mass storage/mass storage compliant 23.26.01 # so is lif 23.26.03 # Strife89: Turn on the C200. Once in the original firmware, turn on the hold switch. Then hold the "Left" button, and while holding it down, plug in a USB cable. 23.26.05 # life* 23.26.14 # SETH_HIKARU: Are you going to cause trouble? 23.26.14 # MSC is the same as UMS 23.26.24 # no 23.26.26 # and btw, I'd still appreciate a less intrusive nick 23.26.35 # Oh, so I hold down LEFT AFTER I turn the thing on? 23.26.41 # i.e. stop SCREAMING 23.26.42 Join potvsktl [0] (n=d1833e71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cdc51519b6c8a467) 23.26.42 # bluebrother: you aren't going to get through... 23.26.46 # ok what is with this intrusive nick thing 23.26.54 # That wasn't clear in the Wiki.... 23.26.56 # your nick is SCREAMING 23.26.59 # thats universal 23.27.00 # no 23.27.04 Nick BigBambi is now known as BIGBAMBI (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 23.27.09 # this is annoying :) 23.27.13 # ya i dont care 23.27.14 Nick BIGBAMBI is now known as BigBambi (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 23.27.15 # nope 23.27.21 # SETH_HIKARU: In text-only chat, all-caps is considered a shout or scream, and it is considered polite to use normal capitalization. 23.27.24 # Very annoying. :) 23.27.40 # i think using whatever you like for your nick is fine as long as he's not typing everything all caps 23.27.41 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drr240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 23.27.44 # SETH_HIKARU: And honestly, if you don't care about being polite in here, it's very likely everyone in here will decide they don't care about answering your questions. Or letting you stay. 23.27.46 # but maybe thats just me 23.27.48 # here let me provide you 70 links to all my other profiles which are all the same 23.27.59 # no, thanks. 23.28.06 # now quit bothering me about it 23.28.10 # Llorean: I have already decided that - he has been nothing but rude from the start 23.28.16 # Strife89: That should work on most, if not all, versions of the C200 that don't have an MSC mode option. 23.28.28 # * BigBambi doesn't appreciate being told "screw you" when trying to help 23.28.39 # But I hold left AFTER turning the thing on? 23.28.40 # SETH_HIKARU: it's not you deciding how the rules in this channel are or how people consider you SCREAMING around 23.29.00 # Strife89: Yes. 23.29.10 # Strife89: Turn thing on. Wait for boot. Turn hold on. Hold left while inserting USB. 23.29.42 # SETH_HIKARU: Honestly, I've heard a few complaints about you acting up in this channel by this point. I haven't been around to see them myself, but they're from people I trust. 23.29.45 # Ah. The wiki makes it sound like I should engage hold and hold [left] BEFORE powering on. 23.29.49 # SETH_HIKARU: So I'm going to tell you now: Be civil in this channel. 23.30.00 # Strife89: Feel free to update it to be more clear, then. :) 23.30.21 # I suppose I will (just give me an hour). :) 23.31.15 Part youtux_ ("Ex-Chat") 23.31.31 Quit Armand` ("The length of the pole is proportional to one's distaste for the subject in question.") 23.32.34 # would anyone be interested in pointing me in the direction of getting rockbox onto a gigabeat s from windows? im having a difficult time with the instructions in wiki 23.32.46 # potvsktl: It is a bit of a nightmare 23.33.04 # seems that way 23.33.17 # potvsktl: Rockbox on the S is still a development version. If you aren't planning on working on it, there's not much sense installing it yet. 23.33.39 # i was under the impression it was close to complete? 23.33.42 # potvsktl: You have to do large amounts of mucking about with installing and removing drivers and other stuff 23.34.05 # ah i see, the directions make it seem fairly straightforward (in their vagueness) 23.34.13 # It is from linux 23.34.55 # alright sounds like ill wait for more progress then 23.35.07 # cd C:/Rockbox/rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c 23.35.14 # whoops sorry 23.35.18 # :) 23.35.19 # wrong text box 23.35.30 # It is probably easier - horrible windows isnatll is one blocker, as are things like to charging support etc. 23.35.31 # ... 23.35.32 Quit Strife89 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.35.33 # that would be funny if i actually did something 23.35.45 # well, you can't CD to a file anyway 23.35.49 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.35.51 # i know 23.35.52 # SETH_HIKARU: last warning...stay on topic 23.35.54 # still 23.36.18 # potvsktl: It'll be listed in the supported targets when it's ready enough for users. 23.36.31 # ok but i was engrossed in the keyboard so thats why that happened 23.36.44 # great, thanks 23.36.48 Quit SUSaiyan (Connection timed out) 23.37.02 # SETH_HIKARU: i dont care...if you accidently did something, fine...dont spend more lines talking about how funny it was though 23.37.40 # oh ya i was wondering about that alpine cd player emulator for the archos how come it only works on there 23.38.23 Quit potvsktl ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.38.54 # SETH_HIKARU: do you have a link? 23.38.59 # ya 23.39.01 # hodl 23.39.41 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.27 # Yodel? 23.40.33 # its the first plugin 23.40.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex 23.40.58 # PluginAlpineCDC 23.41.31 Quit Ozaru ("CGI:IRC") 23.41.40 # yes 23.41.47 # well, you need a pin for interfacing. The player needs to have a unused one ... 23.41.58 # and the ipod doesnt 23.42.06 # and it needs to be bidirectional 23.42.20 # and the ipod video doesnt have one does it 23.43.10 # yes, no? 23.44.55 Quit SETH_HIKARU () 23.45.10 # I thought the video out signal was connected to the headphone socket 23.45.52 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 23.46.39 # Well, I just registered myself in the Wiki (as MichaelCarr), so.... May I have write permission? 23.47.36 # Strife89: one moment 23.47.53 # * preglow wonders about the d2 iram issue 23.48.43 # Strife89: done 23.48.50 # Alright, thanks. :) 23.49.10 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (i=SETH_HIK@host-126-183-3-96.midco.net) 23.49.38 # * SETH_HIKARU slaps SETH_HIKARU around a bit with a large trout 23.50.06 # * bluebrother sighs 23.50.40 # how did u do that bluebrother 23.50.57 # actually nevermind id rather stay on topic 23.51.25 # when you use VMware to compile what os do you use 23.51.53 # or do you just use pure bash as your os 23.52.10 # bash is a shell, not an OS 23.52.58 # oh so what do you use then 23.53.03 # and there it goes ... one more entry on my ignore list. 23.53.14 # you do that 23.53.14 # I use bash or tcsh on Linux 23.53.20 # oh 23.53.28 Part Strife89 23.53.31 # do u ever get any problems compiling 23.53.45 # yes, but then I fix my mistakes and rebuild ;-) 23.53.48 # SETH_HIKARU: The channel guidelines also make it clear to use real words, nothing like "u" 23.53.57 # ok 23.54.03 # sorry i meant okay 23.54.30 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.54.35 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.02 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.55.12 # so Bagder: Do you use VMware then Linux on top of that? 23.55.23 # no 23.55.24 # SETH_HIKARU: you can use the vmware image here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#Quick_start_guide 23.55.40 # I use plain Linux with no VM at all 23.55.45 # oh 23.56.10 # SETH_HIKARU: vmware only makes sense if you run windows (or another non unix-like OS) 23.56.58 # thank youuuuuuuu 23.58.01 # preglow: yeah, the performance was so suspiciously bad I tried a few tests - couldn't believe the difference after I disabled IRAM. 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