--- Log for 26.06.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 24 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.25 # umm are the nano themes stil updated? 00.00.44 # if they are i'll probably just wait then ;) 00.01.37 Join ze0 [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 00.01.37 Quit mcuelenaere (Connection reset by peer) 00.02.29 # LuckyCharms, that's up to the theme authors or people who are willing to fix them and upload them 00.04.06 # JdGordon: there's also flickering immediately before progressing to the next track in a playlist, and immediately after skipping tracks 00.04.29 # by flickering, I mean the progress bar is not actually drawn (and battery icons etc are missing) for a fraction of a second 00.06.04 # what would i use for |x|y| in the pb tag? 00.08.17 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.09.49 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 00.10.17 Quit ze (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.10.17 Nick ze0 is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 00.11.04 # shotofadds: that is because the default WPS (cabbie) propably has overlapping viewports. i see that on H300 too. 00.11.21 Nick SirFunk_ is now known as SirFunk (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 00.11.45 # PaulJam: sounds more likely to be since the conditional viewports change, then. it certainly didn't happen a few days ago... 00.13.32 # can't i just use the version beforet the themes broke? 00.16.29 # shotofadds: well, the cabbie WPSs were changed to use conditional viewports instead of margins shortly after that commit. 00.17.31 # ok. I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere so thought I'd mention it... I have more broken things than that to worry about right now though ;) 00.18.06 Quit LuckyCharms ("CGI:IRC") 00.18.42 # i don't think it was mentioned before :P 00.19.34 Quit dabujo_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.33 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.28.25 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.28.37 Quit jcollie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.17 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 00.29.21 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.29.36 Part J-23 00.33.45 Quit ender` (" I don't see what C++ has to do with keeping people from shooting themselves in the foot. C++ will happily load the gun, off") 00.34.23 Quit adamgolding () 00.44.35 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.27 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.35 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-242-7-34.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 00.49.57 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 00.49.59 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-242-7-34.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 00.56.15 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.00.56 Part LinusN 01.02.00 Join chill_ [0] (n=chill@189.166.61.238) 01.02.55 # hello 01.03.02 # i have a question 01.03.26 # well, if you want help, you should just ask (like the guidelines in the topic say) 01.03.41 # if i buy a compatible ipod and install rockbox in it, will i be able to sync it with amarok? playlists, play count and ratings? 01.06.47 # That's actually a question for Amarok 01.07.01 # Rockbox has its own database format, used on multiple players, and it'd be up to them to read our ratings and play counts from it or not. 01.07.14 # My guess, though, is "no" 01.07.29 # Playlists should work I think 01.07.43 # Playlists on the other hand are just a common format, m3u, so they're probably okay. 01.07.55 # mm 01.08.12 # ok, then, what media player is able to read this database? or has plugins for it, do you know any? 01.08.18 # in linux by the way 01.09.10 # Probably not any. 01.09.18 # At least, I've never heard of one. 01.09.50 # aww thats sad, i thought open source projects could work together easier, well never mind 01.10.13 # chill_: Nobody's stopping them. 01.10.17 # and, whats the mp3 player that support rockbox with larget capacity? i read that ipod classics are a no no. 01.10.27 # It's mostly because the people who are interested in such a feature (like you) don't go out and actually do it. 01.11.04 # chill_: Be careful. The mp3 player with the largest capacity that Rockbox runs on literally is an MP3 player, it plays no other formats (except WAV) 01.11.41 # Not counting that, though, the largest capacity natively is the 80gb iPod Video, while various players have been upgraded to 120 using third party HDs and sometimes internal adapters. 01.12.11 # i could hack an ipod video for larger capacity, thanks 01.12.31 # and i don't code im a graphic designer i help with my current skills the open source community 01.12.37 # The iPod Video is frankly not exactly the best player out there, by a long shot. 01.12.37 # thank you for your answers 01.12.55 # i don't care the interface will change to rockbox anyway, and all i want is large capacity 01.13.54 # It's not just a question of interface. There are better players for rockbox 01.14.04 # chill_: The hardware itself is sub-par 01.14.13 # Rockbox can't remove the limits of a slow CPU, for example. 01.14.26 # if you know any i can hack for at least 100gbs of mobile audio playing, tell me 01.14.37 # please :) 01.15.06 # Do you just want playing, or do you also need recording and radio ? 01.15.15 # Pretty much any of the 1.8" players can have a 120GB disk installed into them, though it's easier if you use one of the ZIF ones so you don't need an adapter. 01.15.15 # playing only 01.15.51 # oh, thanks ill beging comparing prices then =) 01.15.56 # I think there's even a wiki page on disk upgrades 01.16.00 # In that case I'd say a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 or F60 01.16.16 # I'd go with the F40 if you're already planning on pulling the drive, save $10-$20 or so 01.16.32 # oh excellent advice 01.16.43 # does the F40 have a smaller backplate? 01.16.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.52 # Shaid: No, it's still dual platter. 01.16.57 # Don't get an F10 or F20, as they have single-platter disks and are thinner 01.17.08 # my only concern is the large music database, the ipod wheel is pretty fast and pretty good to manage large collections, does the gigabeat match up? 01.17.33 # not all players with 1,8" HD can be upgraded to such a big drive (easily) only ones that already use dual platter drives 01.17.40 # chill_: You can probably manage large lists faster with buttons and a properly chosen set of scroll acceleration values. 01.17.57 # oh nice to know, rockbox will let me choose the speed? 01.18.02 # Yes. 01.18.29 # you got to love the customizabilty of open source software 01.18.32 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 01.19.42 # we'll i guess once im rich ill hire devs to code plugins for rhythmbox and amarok :P 01.21.10 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.21.16 # mm im learning python would that be enough for the job? 01.21.24 # chill_: you could always simply post feature requests to them, if it hasn't been requested yet 01.21.33 # They may not even be aware that there's a need for such a thing, yet. 01.21.39 # oh 01.21.52 # i will 01.22.04 # Doesn't guarantee anything, but there might be an interest there 01.22.21 # yeah i understand how it works 01.22.24 # A single database format to add support for, and it'll allow them to support an ever-expanding list of players. 01.22.37 # i've campaigned for features in the past =P 01.23.22 # i'll tell the banshee guys, it seems they have payed developers 01.23.44 # Tell all of them 01.24.05 # well, the biggest ones are rythmbox, amarok, banshee, and xmpc (or something like that) 01.24.41 # ok im off now 01.24.44 # thank you guys 01.24.53 # oh i forgot 01.25.08 # can i use skins to customize rockbox? i love to skin my apps i dont mind learning 01.25.24 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 01.25.26 # Yes. 01.25.41 # cool 01.25.49 # see you later 01.25.49 # bye 01.25.59 Quit chill_ ("Ex-Chat") 01.26.36 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.26.57 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eef652@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fdc7391bb90d0551) 01.27.30 Join HAMAN [0] (n=62cea8b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a517ac1677ad023a) 01.27.38 # hey all 01.28.02 # i just put Rockbox on my sansa e260\ 01.28.10 # and it seems to be workin all ok 01.28.14 # cept for 1 thing 01.28.32 # let me guess: the themes don't work? 01.28.45 # it seems that any .WPS files arnt workin. it wont show anything cept the stock wps 01.29.01 # Two points to ZincAlloy. 01.29.16 # themes seem ok, i can change them 01.29.20 # ZincAlloy: Your prize to getting to explain it to him. :) 01.29.26 # like the main menu and backrounds change ok 01.29.33 # HAMAN: The WPS code changed recently. Tell the people who wrote the themes they need updated. 01.29.40 # heh, did i do sumthin wrong? :) 01.29.51 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 01.29.59 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-24-11-77-187.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.30.08 # HAMAN: No it's just a recent change that's causing a lot of confusion. You're one among many. 01.30.12 # not at all. most wps files are just outdated since monday... 01.30.15 # ok welp, i didnt just use any old themes, i used the ones that are listed in the rock utility for installing 01.30.32 # ok i see 01.30.39 # so,,, :) how do i fix this 01.30.44 # HAMAN: Doesn't matter where they came from, the authors need to update them. 01.31.10 # HAMAN: You could learn the WPS syntax and fix them yourself or ask the authors to update them. 01.31.28 # HAMAN: Or use another theme... or make your own... 01.31.32 # ok 01.31.50 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS official wps syntax explained here 01.32.11 # if this just happened on monday, couldnt i got back to an older build? or i can edit the .wps file to be correct 01.32.38 # You could, yes 01.32.47 # what's broken on most WPSs are the progress bar and scrolling margins parts 01.32.49 # HAMAN: Going backwards leaves you out of step with any future improvements. 01.33.09 # and out of support :) 01.33.13 # ok, so the way to go is just update the wps code to be current 01.33.25 # all i need is at that link? 01.33.50 # that link and some fiddling around with the wps file 01.33.51 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 01.34.48 # ok, and lastly, was like all of the synthax codes changed? or just a few commands? 01.35.02 # MarcGuay: had a look at bascule's patches and added some small changes here and there. Think I'm going to commit some more tomorrow (errr today) in the morning - half past 1 in the night here. It took a bit longer to find out what was already committed and what not but ok 01.35.12 # i had to fix my favorite theme for rockbox myself 01.35.47 # HAMAN: Focus on %m, %P and %pb. 01.36.04 # haman: you will need to delete the %P tag in most cases and update the %pb tag to the current syntax 01.36.21 # ok, cool, thanx alot for yer help guys! 01.36.33 # pixelma: I noticed, and thanks for fixing my mistakes. :) Sorry if it got confusing, I started at the bottom of the .zip file which couldn't have helped much. 01.36.40 # do these changes only effect the wps, or other parts of the theme as well? 01.37.58 # pixelma: I'm working on fixing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7677 now... (adding the random folder advance feature). 01.37.59 # MarcGuay: you're welcome. And it's a great chance to pick up some motivation to do more myself again... :) 01.38.17 # scrolling margins (%m) don't work anymore, either. you will need to put content with margins into a viewport. while you're at it you'd better put all icons and graphics inside viewports, too 01.38.41 # haman: they only affect the wps 01.38.45 # MarcGuay: nice 01.39.23 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 01.43.27 # if you look hard enough (maybe not even necessary), you can find quite a few undocumented features and/or outdated information 01.44.57 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 01.45.40 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.45.52 # pixelma: I was hoping the tracker had most of them... I wonder how long I can keep this up without becoming totally demotivated... 01.46.30 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.47.07 # I'm not sure there's a lot of those in the tracker 01.47.57 Quit Shaid ("*toink*") 01.55.49 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.57.00 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-24-11-77-187.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 01.57.19 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.57.35 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.00.05 # pixelma: Is there a standard way to describe a plugin menu? 02.01.28 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 02.01.35 Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net) 02.02.44 # MarcGuay: I also only used other tex files as model. 02.03.08 # pixelma: Okay. Doom will do... :) 02.14.56 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.16.21 Join Lambdargh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 02.24.14 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.25.27 # Can anyone think of a nice way to bring setting Auto-Change Directory to Random and the Random_Folder_Advance_Config closer together in the interface? Could the plugin be triggered when you select it as an option? Have the list auto-generate? 02.25.32 Join jrock [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-075-176-141-215.sc.res.rr.com) 02.26.25 # no, maybe, maybe 02.28.00 Nick jrock is now known as vulgarpower (n=chatzill@cpe-075-176-141-215.sc.res.rr.com) 02.29.09 # JdGordon: :) That's about as far as I got myself... 02.29.30 # :) 02.29.46 # JdGordon: I'm trying to document it and can see why you didn't. 02.29.51 # does anyone know when 5g ipod dock connector audio out will be worked on? looking to use an itrip (dock) and can't do the hardwire. 02.30.16 # MarcGuay: I didnt because I'm a lazy bugger and never document anything outside the code :D 02.30.22 # JdGordon: could you please edit MajorChanges to indicate your recent "big" commits? 02.30.33 # vulgarpower: Pantera rules, and if you keep an eye on the tracker tasks that's probably about as good as it gets. 02.30.44 # scorche|sh: ah yeah.. forgot about that 02.30.51 # ...we noticed 02.31.18 # well it is a wiki.... 02.31.51 # and you still should edit it after such a commit... =P 02.31.55 # * MarcGuay holds back his snarky comments. 02.32.06 # marc: yeah that's kind of what i was afraid of... 02.32.23 # didn't see anything in the feature request tho... did i miss it? 02.34.31 Quit Lambdumb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.35.45 # vulgarpower: All is see is FS#8624. 02.36.59 # marc: thanks! 02.38.18 Part pixelma 02.38.26 # JdGordon: I noticed a small bug in random_folder_advance while I was poking it. Want to know now or should I task it? 02.39.03 # * MarcGuay realized that "poke" has another meaning in Britain. Yikes. 02.39.32 # * scorche|sh pokes MarcGuay 02.39.47 # everything has another meaning in the UK 02.41.45 Quit Lambdargh ("Leaving") 02.44.46 Part stooo 02.45.35 # MarcGuay: task it... i might not have time today to fix it 02.47.41 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.54.17 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 02.54.24 Quit Lambduh (Client Quit) 02.54.55 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 02.59.29 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-431ca579e9f361cb) 02.59.58 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 03.01.50 Quit Galois (Remote closed the connection) 03.02.01 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 03.06.17 # er, hi just got a sansa e260. the current build page says "broken?" 03.06.35 # shall i see if it is in fact broken? or play it safe and go with an older build? 03.08.27 # wastrel: Hold on... 03.11.06 # wastrel: It's odd, not showing up in the build table. Using the daily build should be good, and more reliable. 03.11.18 # wastrel: For now that is. Usually the current build is fine. 03.12.15 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 03.13.53 # ok thanks 03.15.28 # 1 thing i was hoping for with rockbox vs stock was a way to make volume louder. but i dont see any way to do this? is it possible? (sansa e260) 03.16.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.17.14 # HAMAN, just scroll the wheel and make it louder... if you can't go any higher, it's because the device simply doesn't support it 03.17.57 # better earphones may help i bought some in-ear ones that improve it 03.18.09 # ok, so all the way up is all the way up ":) 03.18.21 # obviously, yes ;) 03.18.45 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.21.01 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-37453f108b11cff5) 03.22.46 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 03.29.27 # grr. If I want to have a path (./rockbox/whatever) in the manual, how do I escape it so it compiles? 03.29.58 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.35.37 # rockbox running on the e260 <3 03.35.50 # now i need to install a nice theme. and figure out how to convert video 03.38.33 # (suggestions re either are welcome) 03.40.35 # wastrel, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer - read that for video information 03.41.11 # krazykit: yeah i read that. i tried a bunch of things and didn't get a successful conversion yet. 03.41.22 # i have to pick one and learn how to use it i think. 03.51.57 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f15f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e20e795c8c1f43a0) 03.52.53 # Can someone take a quick look at my WPS and tell me what's wrong with it? (I'm trying to fix up my WPS') > http://pastebin.ca/1056140 03.53.56 # By the way, the WPS parser isn't breaking it, but parts of it aren't showing up properly. Any idea why because I can't figure out this new code... not to mention I'm a bit rusty with viewports... 03.55.16 # crzyboyster: What parts are causing trouble? 03.56.01 # Some features (hold icon, etc.) aren't showing up... hold on, let me get a screenshot of the theme 03.57.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=2;filename=corners_wpsaa.png is the screenshot 03.58.04 # And another question: Do we have viewports in the main menu now? 03.58.48 # Try putting the last 6 lines after the variable declarations so that they're in the main viewport. It's possible that since they're at the end they're getting lumped into the last viewport. 03.59.54 # And for your question, I don't think so. 04.03.28 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.03.29 # OMG this is driving me nuts. If anyone knows how I can put "/.rockbox/folder_advance_list.txt" literally into the manual, please contact me. The underscores are not being treated with any love at all. Arrrrrr! 04.04.33 # MarcGuay, don't you just escape them out with \ 04.05.03 # krazykit: If it's that easy call me a fool... Will try... 04.05.44 # krazykit: No dice. 04.06.00 # google is a liar then :( 04.06.30 # krazykit: Is that a LaTeX rule? 04.06.47 # seems so 04.07.35 # krazykit: Seems happy with it when it's inside a \fname{}. Thanks krazykit. 04.17.31 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.33.16 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.37.28 Join SUSaiyan` [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 04.37.28 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.40.19 # MarcGuay: just for future reference (re... "try putting the last 6 lines after the variable declarations..."), lines are always put in the viewport after they are defined, so yes, they are being put in that last one... 04.41.41 # JdGordon: Figured. Nice. I think I found one of the bugs in RFA myself. A classic no-braces mistake for the case mistake. 04.44.00 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6A05.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.46.11 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f15f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1908eb10ac2497e7) 04.46.41 # How would I go about making a WPS change the background if a song has album art or not? 04.47.18 # An example would probably be enough, but I can't seem to find any... 04.48.00 # I highly doubt you can do that 04.48.06 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.48.26 # Really? 04.48.30 # really 04.48.36 # crzyboyster: Could be difficult with the image limits... ?%C<%C|%Vda> where viewport 'a' has a huge image in the background. 04.49.01 # crzyboyster: You won't have much space left for anything else with two full screen images, though. 04.49.04 # MarcGuay: I was thinking that, but then i dont think the text drawing will work with that 04.49.30 # and yeah, iirc the image buffer is big enough 2 exaclty 2 full screen images 04.49.32 # JdGordon: You know better than I. Works logically, though. 04.49.33 # I have heard of that (concept) before and thought it would be possible ? 04.49.48 # Oh, well 04.50.04 # JdGordon: I checked the code once and it's 2.25 or 2.5 or something. I added it to the CustomWPS wiki. 04.50.43 # Any idea why the e200 build is broken? Seems to crack at pacbox. 04.51.51 # Hold on, maybe y'all misunderstood me. Basically, I want the frame on this WPS gone when there is no album art available > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=2;filename=corners_wps.png 04.53.04 # crzyboyster: In that case you could say IF there's album art, display this box image as well as the album cover. 04.53.22 # And how would I go about doing that? 04.53.40 # WPS examples? 04.54.16 Quit XavierGr () 04.55.05 # And what exactly is "study mode"? 04.55.29 # ?%C<%Vda|Vdb> where viewport 'a' has a box image displayed as well as the album art. And another viewport, also defined as 'a', has the album info. Whereas viewport 'b' is just the album info centered. 04.58.07 # crzyboyster: Study Mode = http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6188 04.59.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 04.59.21 # Thanks, MarcGuay. 04.59.26 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC") 05.02.15 Quit vulgarpower ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 05.16.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.18.35 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 06.08.52 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.09.14 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 06.22.05 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.25.15 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 06.33.24 # why is the MUSIC folder hidden in the file view? 06.34.54 # by default the sansa hides that folder. 06.37.37 # i see. i didn't have this proplem on my e250r presumably because of the patch 06.42.04 # ok thanks. mv MUSIC MUSIC- 06.42.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD932.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.42.10 # :] 06.44.09 # I called mine _MUSIC_ 06.44.24 # so it was always at the top of the file index. And that enter after music was unintentional. 06.46.59 # i'm mostly in PODCASTS and VIDEO, don't actually have much music. 06.47.04 # ot, sorry. 06.58.48 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-89-136.vif.net) 06.59.49 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.00.34 # JdGordon: Mrsh. That missing braces thing I mentionned earlier was a mirage, and therefore so is the "bug fix" in my last commit. The real bugs are in the tracker. 07.00.37 Quit MarcGuay (Client Quit) 07.04.41 Quit Zarggg ("Pursued by a bear") 07.05.40 Quit krazykit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.16.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.19.15 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 07.19.49 # hey all, just figured out how to get the wps files updated to work with new synthax.. its not very hard at all. and now i've found myself not just fixing them, but toally customizing them to my likes 07.20.25 # but i wonder , is it possible to display in a wps a scope or spec analizer? 07.20.43 # like winamp shows on main screen 07.29.58 # No. 07.30.39 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 07.31.04 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 07.39.41 Join alackie [0] (n=alackie@c66-235-49-143.sea2.cablespeed.com) 07.40.50 # really quick question: my understanding is that my 4th gen iPod and Rockbox won't work/will only partially work with most dock/remotes, right? Is there a fix for this? 07.41.30 # alackie: no...Rockbox doesnt currently support the apple accessory protocol 07.41.54 # Okay, then I can stop trying. Thanks for the help! 07.42.07 # * amiconn wonders about MarcGuay's change in that plugin 07.42.13 # stop trying to do what? 07.42.17 # The braces are completely unnecessary 07.42.46 # stop trying to find a way to get my remote to work. 07.44.28 Quit alackie (Client Quit) 07.50.25 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c53bb520960393be) 07.51.46 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 07.57.13 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.07.50 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.09.57 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3013.gwdg.de) 08.20.03 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCEAF8.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.23.48 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 08.31.26 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc116.ugent.be) 08.34.13 # is there a graphical view someware of what all the available fonts look like? 08.36.07 # hmhm and how exactly are themes organized? I have found a nice theme for general interface, nice icons, but I'd like to find a nice theme for the “playing” window 08.36.34 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.36.43 # but I don't really understand how everything goes when one apply themes (because sometime not everything is changed, so I guess not all themes define all interface parts) 08.36.50 # the playing window is setup via the WPS file 08.37.15 # they in WPS dir 08.37.40 # yeah but not all wps define everything, right? 08.37.43 # amiconn: yeah, ignore it... he's obviously not up to scratch with C just yet.... 08.38.26 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.39.32 # well, the wps only defines everything in the playing screen, not anything else 08.39.40 # hmhmh 08.40.15 # so background, fonts, icons, “selection bar”, are selected from where? 08.40.55 # they are all setup in the .cfg file which really is the "theme" file 08.41.04 # the .wps is set in the .cfg also... 08.42.16 # yeah but when I select a WPS file I downloaded from rockbox website, it sets the background, the fonts etc. too 08.42.34 # which I guess is ok 08.43.02 # now I just need to find a good looking “playing window” theme, then chose myself background, fontds, icons etc. 08.45.11 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.45.40 # did anyone know where i could see what all the fonts look like? so i know what each setting does? i'm tryin to make my own wps. but dont know what fonts will look like, to many to try all 1 by 1 08.46.18 # Corsac: in the "theme Settings" menu you have "browse themes" which selects whole thames (so background, font, etc) but you also habe "browser .wps files" which selects only the while playing screen. 08.46.35 # ok 08.46.38 # thanks 08.46.47 # and what are rwps files? 08.46.59 # (and would your recommend a wps for iriver h320?) 08.47.01 # WPS for the remote 08.47.25 # ok 08.47.46 # I use pure rockbox builds so I'm not sure I can use those wps which requires patches and special features 08.48.05 # Corsac: the PJ_Ice_A theme of course ;) http://www.misticriver.net/forums/589666-post254.html 08.50.48 # Corsac: in the WPSGallery in the wiki the themes by JohannesVoggenthaler should be updated to work with the current build too. 08.51.09 # hmhm, I currently use DGT Deep 08.51.20 # but it doesn't look at all like the screenshot 08.51.35 # (I just recently upgraded my rockbox install so maybe it's related) 08.51.51 # there was a major change in the WPS syntax that broke most of the WPS on monday. 08.51.57 # arf 08.51.59 # so that's why 08.52.10 # and I guess themes aren't yet updated 08.52.24 # is this something I can change easily by hand? 08.53.55 # see the CustomWPS wiki page. you probably need to fis the %pb tags, remove %P, and if the WPS contains %m| tags you need to ise viewports instead. 08.56.34 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.58.03 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 08.59.40 # hmhm is there a “migration” help page? 09.00.06 # because on CustomWPS I don't really know what to do 09.00.14 # (and I is it up to date?) 09.00.59 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.02.56 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 09.03.44 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17763 I guess? 09.04.49 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 too 09.04.52 # yes, that and r17759 09.06.17 # I tried the perl script 09.06.20 # will check 09.07.23 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.08.17 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.09.43 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.10.06 # hmhm, doesn't seem to be enough :/ 09.16.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.17.54 Join JD24 [0] (n=huy@p50861852.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.18.05 # Corsac: i just looked at the wps and something is very strange there. i would be surprised if this wps would have worked with an older build. try replacing the %pb line with "%pb|pb.bmp|0|153|220|3|" and remove the line starting with %P 09.19.01 # PaulJam: I'm living for work, but I'll do that, thanks 09.19.07 # I'll keep you informed 09.19.39 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.19.49 # Hello all! 09.20.31 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 09.22.30 # I'm currently working on the serial communication between a sansa c200 and the sansa base station. can someone tell me where to get the AS3514 datasheet? 09.27.04 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.27.26 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.31.41 # JD24: the AS3514 is an audio codec 09.32.47 Part wpyh 09.32.50 Join funman [0] (n=tg@ip545278d7.speed.planet.nl) 09.34.21 # hi 09.34.50 # Well i know but it handles the volume control which is supported by the remote control of the base station 09.35.23 # JD24: the audio drivers in rockbox should already be able to control the volume 09.35.59 # i guess you need to find out how the serial communication is done 09.36.22 # i already was able to sniff the communication :-) 09.36.25 # is it a plain TTL RS232 link? 09.36.26 Quit J-23 (Remote closed the connection) 09.36.29 # no is not 09.36.33 # it's I2C 09.36.50 # thats the reasion i like to have the AS3514 datasheet 09.37.00 # since it supports I2C 09.37.22 # maybe i can interpret my sniffing logs 09.37.37 # use a multimeter to find out where the i2c lines go 09.37.52 # i was a pain in the butt to find that out since i'm not an electronic engineer nor have a sope 09.38.03 # i now the pin outs 09.38.09 # mean i know the pin outs 09.38.38 # it is not likely to be connected directly to the AS3514, since you can control the playback as well 09.39.26 # does rockbox have drivers for I2C ? 09.39.42 # JD24: not for I2C slave 09.40.13 # so it can only used as master? 09.40.48 # so far all the players we have encountered have only used I2C to control peripheral slaves 09.41.13 # that's exactly how the OF communicates with the remote control 09.41.14 # so we have no knowledge about how to use the portalplayer I2C as a slave 09.41.33 # there is no need for it to act as a I2c slave 09.41.54 # aha, so the remote is polled by the player? 09.42.00 # no 09.42.08 # there is a IRQ input pin on the sansa 09.42.36 # and then the firmware reads the remote via I2C? 09.43.03 # yes 09.43.08 # ah, that's good 09.43.24 # then you have no use at all for the as3514 sheets 09.43.52 # "all" you have to do is to find out which i2c controller to use 09.44.21 # and decipher the protocol 09.44.44 # shouldn't be that hard 09.44.57 # good work so far, btw 09.44.58 # not directly for the remote control thing but i like to learn about configuring audio input via i2c 09.45.04 # the datasheet would be handy for that 09.45.16 # thanks 09.45.18 # but we already do that 09.45.30 # otherwise we would have no sound on the c200 09.45.45 # but not via remote control 09.45.53 # bass/trebble ... 09.45.59 # ah, you mean enabling the line out in the dock connector 09.46.12 # something like that 09.46.22 # is there no sound at all? 09.46.23 # is this docking station usable with the e200 and c200? 09.46.37 # LinusN, JD24 has the Sansa made dock that has a remote 09.46.47 # i only can confirm that with sansa fuze and sansa c200 09.47.36 # i'll put my findings on the wiki 09.47.44 # i remember the thread from anythingbutipod that he is trying to figure this stuff out too 09.48.13 # yes that's alse me in the abi forums (JD24) 09.48.36 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.48.49 # btw the sansa dock also use an audio amplifier chip controlled via I2C 09.49.35 # JD24: but is it an as3514? 09.50.56 # no maxim 09.50.58 # here are the scans of the dock: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=256725&postcount=93 09.51.10 # thanks, already have that 09.51.30 # do we have the as3514 datasheets btw? 09.51.54 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 09.52.12 # umm... 09.53.54 # someone has 09.54.00 # ? 09.54.40 # LinusN: well, AMS... 09.55.01 # :-) 09.55.18 # lemme check here... 09.56.23 Join evan123423414334 [0] (n=4b20b9cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7240e1b09c90d118) 09.56.30 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.56.31 # #rockbox 09.56.39 # #rockbox 09.56.45 # evan123423414334: you are there 09.56.51 # evan123423414334, yes? 09.58.45 Quit evan123423414334 (Client Quit) 10.21.53 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 10.21.53 Quit K4rP4D (Client Quit) 10.22.57 # anything yet? 10.34.52 Part J-23 10.40.06 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 10.41.21 # mpf, fat fs on iriver doesn't want files with "?" in the name :( 10.41.46 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 10.41.52 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 10.42.17 # Corsac: that's one of the forbidden characters in FAT 10.42.28 # (along with * " : | < and >) 10.42.42 # or s/FAT/Windows/ 10.43.51 # yeah 10.44.01 # too bad 10.44.08 # that's the only device I really use vfat on 10.44.25 # but I don't think it support ext, does it? 10.44.41 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 10.47.42 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.48.39 # nope 10.58.41 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 11.01.30 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.04.14 Nick Egil is now known as o_O (i=egil@nygaard.ping.uio.no) 11.04.30 Nick o_O is now known as Egil (i=egil@nygaard.ping.uio.no) 11.06.41 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.06.43 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.06.50 # my gigabeat just gave me a big red "NO SYSTEM ON HDD" error. I turned it on again and it works fine. 11.08.14 # Bad connection, or dying hard disk ? 11.08.41 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 11.08.42 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.10.06 Join Toki [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 11.10.47 # Hi all. Have anyone experienced a total hang-on on X5 at the end of .ape files playback? 11.14.37 # At the end of any .ape file, or at the end of the playlist ? 11.14.50 # occasional freezes during the last tracks of a playlist have been reported (with mp3s too), there's a tracker entry for it and I've experienced it too a few times (on c200 and M5) 11.15.51 # s/tracks/track 11.16.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.17.56 # JD24: ping 11.19.30 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.19.55 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.22.37 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.24.11 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 11.38.21 # at the end of any .ape file (sorry for late response) 11.39.09 # the screen turns black, and only long press of the "off" button brings it back to life 11.39.14 Quit csc` ("10.23.07: Never forget") 11.39.44 # player freezes at approx. 5% from the end of the song 11.39.45 # Soif you play an album with more than one .ape file, it will stop at the end of the first one ? Then that's a different bug. 11.39.56 # Which revision are you using ? 11.40.00 # yes 11.40.18 # I used some older version (like 3 month old) and just tried today's build 11.40.23 # official one 11.42.18 # perhaps the player tries to read the next file in playlist and gives up... I'll try with 1 file in a dir 11.42.42 # Do other codecs work, like mp3 ? 11.42.58 # mp3 and flac works fine (no glich) 11.45.43 # I can't find any bug report describing anything like that. Could you file one ? 11.47.24 Join MTee [0] (n=mtarek16@41.233.155.163) 11.56.02 # If I play a single file (I mean there are no other .ape or any other files in a dir) the player does not hang, but it produced a dreadful "white noise" which almost destroyed my ears :( 12.02.51 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.228) 12.07.13 Join CFP [0] (n=55aa37eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8820e6d020efb21a) 12.08.00 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17365.msg128392#msg128392 <-- An idea I just had, discuss 12.09.18 # Hey everybody 12.09.28 # I just created a wiki account 12.09.46 # as suggested on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17390.0 12.10.11 # Is it possible to get edit privileges ? 12.10.30 # CFP: what's your WikiName ? 12.10.50 # ClementPitClaudel 12.11.17 # Done 12.11.25 # Great, thanks 12.11.29 # no problem 12.12.15 # Can someone help me with logging in on tracker? I get blank page after enterin log and pass... 12.12.49 # Zagor is "Mr. Tracker" and he doesn't appear to be around currently 12.13.25 # I was wondering 12.13.29 # ok... 12.13.44 # Is there a special procedure with plugins 12.13.55 # Appart from submitting them in the tracker 12.14.06 # to have them tested or so ? 12.14.17 # nope 12.14.32 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-255-218.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.14.34 # having them in the tracker usually is enough to ensure they get some level of testing 12.15.05 # you can advertise the tracker entry in the forums though if you want more testing done. 12.16.36 Join petur2 [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.17.06 # ok 12.17.08 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 12.17.10 # GodEater: I intend to bring up RButil at devcon for discussing its intent, which I think that feeds into 12.17.13 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.17.37 # I think that's quite a neat feature we could offer in the future 12.17.44 # if we can get it to work reliably 12.17.53 # Cause my new text editor seems to just get people bored 12.18.05 # it needs thinking about of course though, as we'd need some way to get those scripts into the release that RBUtil is trying to install 12.18.05 # anyway 12.18.07 # At the very least we could have it flag broken WPSes and maybe give appropriate clues 12.18.09 # but I'm sure we could come up with something 12.18.20 # yeah, that's a good start 12.18.30 # Since we're working on that feature for the theme site anyway. 12.18.55 # * GodEater *really* hopes someone is at least going to record audio at the DevCon for other people to listen in to 12.19.05 # Llorean : I quite like the idea of a script to fix broken WPSs tags 12.19.11 # CFP: is it a text file editor or text input? 12.19.22 # GodEater: of the talks? 12.19.42 # scorche: of everthing ideally, but yes, definitely the Rockbox related talks 12.19.45 # CFP: It'd be hard to universally fix them, since you'd then have to keep around a revision history of all changed tags. 12.19.57 Nick funman is now known as kindman (n=tg@ip545278d7.speed.planet.nl) 12.20.10 # Llorean: not necessarily I think 12.20.19 # haha, found a manual section that only contains a . very helpful 12.20.20 # GodEater: We'll have dozens of MP3 players with recording capabilities there. We just need to remember to run a few on. 12.20.24 # although in some cases I can imagine it wouldn't be possible to script an automatic fix 12.20.32 # GodEater: well, we could probably do some sort of voip, and i believe petur is bringing a bit of his taping rig, so... 12.20.54 # but we either need developers to do these scripts themselves, or persuade some of our WPS authors to get some perl-fu 12.21.05 # scorche: podcasts of the event would be awesome 12.21.18 # markun: both 12.21.25 # yes, I'm bringing mics and mic amp... 12.21.25 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.21.31 # GodEater: In the current case, the script would have to be exactly specific to this case. If the tags change again, the script would have to be able to change old ones to the middle version, then middle versions to the newest version, without interpreting the newest version as an old version, and so forth. 12.21.45 # markun: the text editor is here to demonstrate the new input method 12.21.49 # Llorean: not so entirely 12.22.18 # we could allow the upgrades to a given version require stacking previous releases which included the script to fix whatever broke in them 12.22.22 # if you see what I mean ? 12.22.33 # it might mean we need some more complex archiving of builds though =/ 12.22.44 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 12.22.47 # it needs thought 12.22.49 # Maybe wps files could be tagged with a rockbox version 12.22.50 # Yeah, but that's the thing. If we have a new revision of %pb, old scripts will think it's just as broken as the older tags, since they'd both fail the check. 12.23.07 # so that we know which tags are to be updated 12.23.17 Join petur2 [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.23.18 # CFP: that's not a bad idea either 12.23.36 # I think the best bet is to check if it's valid, if not, tell the author "It needs fixing, but (if applicable) a new version is available at the themes site, do you wish to download?" 12.23.40 # Llorean: that would mean you'd just have to apply the releases in the right oder though ? 12.23.51 # s/oder/order 12.23.53 # GodEater: That's my point though. Let's call this "progress bar v2" 12.24.00 # I'm always hesitating to trust such scripts 12.24.02 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.24.16 # When PB v3 rolls around, if you have some v1 WPSes still around, the v2 script will identify both v1 and v3 ones as "broken" since they don't match the v2 format. 12.24.19 # pixelma: we'd of course make it an optional step ;) 12.24.37 # So the v3 script will have to recognize v1 and v2, and upgrade either, for it to be safe. 12.24.38 # Llorean: that could be taken care of with CFP's idea for version stamping the WPS's though 12.24.56 # you wouldn't apply the v1 script to a v2 wps 12.25.16 # or whatever 12.25.25 # I think that last time WPS was updated by the script can give version info 12.25.49 # I mean, we'd have a first script to update all current WPSs 12.25.54 # this is of course moot if the WPS changes are so sweeping it's not possible to write a nice script to fix them 12.25.59 # It seems an overly complicated solution. 12.26.05 Quit n17ikh (Connection timed out) 12.26.25 # Llorean: it might be hell to implement yes, but I think a lot of users would thank us 12.26.40 # I've not really thought about all the details in any case 12.26.40 # and then, each time an update is necessary, version n to version n+1 would be applied 12.27.02 # and the WPS is just one example - the example in the post for a hypothetical rename of database. files is another use case 12.27.27 Nick kindman is now known as funman (n=tg@ip545278d7.speed.planet.nl) 12.27.34 # GodEater: Agreed, a "check for old files, and rename, or remove no longer necessary ones" would be nice. 12.27.48 # I think we had a similar case when we categorised the plugins 12.27.53 # Yup 12.27.55 # and when flashlight got renamed 12.28.19 # so even leaving the WPS suggestion out 12.28.27 # I think we have a valid feature request there for RBUtil 12.28.43 # Although no solution was found for flashlight, right ? 12.28.44 # it might be enough to make me actually use it for doing my own upgrades ;) 12.29.05 # CFP, it was the same solution as for the categorised plugins - delete the old stuff manually 12.29.16 # which is less than ideal 12.29.29 # And I guess it was the same when we moved to bitmapstrips 12.30.30 # * GodEater wonders what bluebrother / domonoky will think when they hear all the work we've volunteered for them :) 12.31.22 # Last time I issued a feature request for RButil, it was implemented rather shortly thereafter. This has trained me to expect that every time I open my big mouth. 12.31.29 # a tricky decision will be, do we implement these "scripts" as something that RBUtil can execute itself, or do we want to rely on some external engine (e.g. python or perl) to do it ? 12.31.37 # meh. Can someone think of a reason why a sentence regarding where to get fonts is below a "Getting Extras" headline in the manual, followed by another section about fonts "Loading Fonts"? I'm a bit undecided what to do with it, thinking of teh Player manual 12.32.34 # "Getting Extras" just describes where to get the fonts package 12.32.49 # * GodEater curses his lack of svn access at work these days 12.32.58 # Godeater: so when the renaming of for example the database.(un)ignore files would be committed, wouldn't almost all users still have a version of RBUtil installed that isn't aware of this change? or has it some kind of auto-update/update-notification feature? 12.32.59 # or he'd look at how complex it would be to implement this in some fashion himself 12.33.03 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-106-132.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 12.33.26 # PaulJam: clearly it would require a new version of RBUtil too, as there's no such feature for auto-update yet 12.33.38 # QT4 has a scripting language/engine... 12.34.05 # obo, cool - how comprehensive is it ? 12.34.17 # no idea, I just know it exists 12.36.42 # I get a strange warning using 'make zip' : 'Warning: DWIDTH spec > max FONTBOUNDINGBOX' 12.38.47 # GodEater: looks like it can run any function you care to write in normal QT4 C++ (http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscript.html) 12.40.13 # CFP: oops, that's probably one of my commits from yesterday 12.40.30 # ok 12.41.01 # Arabic glyphs in helvR12 by MTee 12.45.37 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 12.50.09 # How do you insert a line feed in a twiki page table ? 12.59.39 Quit CFP ("CGI:IRC") 13.06.24 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.228) 13.06.44 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.07.04 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.135.228) 13.17.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.21.40 Quit MTee (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 13.23.10 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.36.32 Quit petur ("work->home") 13.36.52 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 13.40.11 Join LTourist [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-102-46.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.40.16 # hi there 13.40.59 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.18 # LTourist: hi 13.42.00 # hi GodEater :) 13.42.55 # markun are you here ? 13.46.45 # LTourist: yes 13.46.51 # :) 13.47.10 # have you seen my PM on meizume ? 13.47.20 # no, I'll check it 13.47.43 # ^^ 13.48.26 # you don't need to go there, I can repeat right now what I wrote in the PM you know ! :) 13.48.28 # wow, 3 unread messages 13.49.38 # LTourist: I did (and reverted) an accidental commit :) 13.49.47 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE217B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.49.55 # otherwise there is no code yet in svn 13.50.24 # I thought it would be a bit premature if we didn't have any testcode running on the meizu 13.50.26 # no but if the target tree, configure etc is already here, why didn't you leave it 13.50.43 # but it probably would help other people working on it 13.50.55 # well, i think so 13.51.27 # did you made so more test since last time ? (I think it was with the flashing screen) 13.51.28 Quit stooo (Remote closed the connection) 13.51.36 # Some rockbox devs will meet this weekend in Berlin. After that we can hopefully commit something 13.51.48 # :D 13.52.02 # no, I didn't have much time for the port 13.52.28 # Somebody stollen my m6sp, so I will buy another m6, but I don't know yet if i'll buy a sp or a sl 13.52.37 # ok 13.53.07 # The supplier here only had SL models left 13.53.46 # if you search right, you could still find some sp models, but that's hard!!! 13.54.58 # By the way, I was thinking of taking 2 meizu : one for a continuous use, and another (cheapper i can find) to do some test and rockbox dev 13.55.11 # do you think that's usefull ? 13.57.14 # maybe if you can find a Meizu M3 13.57.24 # or an older TP or something? 13.57.59 # the m3 is at the same price and have same hardware, no? 13.58.16 # find a tp could be interessant has he didn't have the same screen 13.58.19 # I don't know about the price, but the hardware is very similar 13.58.47 # well, even withing the SP and SL models there seem to be various screens 13.59.14 # yeah, they didn't have the same screen size 13.59.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port#Hardware 13.59.30 # sp is 2"4 and sl is 2"41 14.00.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@resnet22.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.00.31 # and I read several time than sl screen is better. We need to know if they use the same controller or not... 14.00.52 # you write s6D0123/139 LCD-Driver 14.01.28 # is that supposed to mean that sp use the 129 one and sl use 139 ? 14.03.35 # no, I just wasn't sure which of the 2 it is 14.03.41 # ok 14.04.07 # but if you look in meizume you can find a lot of LCD drivers inits identified by kgb2008 14.04.35 # yeah I saw that he did a great work 14.04.48 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.08.47 # I'm now at the stade where I configure my environnement ^^ 14.09.21 Quit funman (Nick collision from services.) 14.09.43 # but vim is making trouble under cygwin, I'll certainly reboot under linux if I can't use vim as usual... 14.10.04 # developing in linux works better anyway I think 14.10.24 # if you don't want to reboot you could also use vmware 14.10.28 # I think so ^^ 14.11.13 # erf, that's mean I need to reinstall all the stuf under a virtual machine... Stuff that I already installed for real under ubuntu ^^ 14.12.27 # or use this image: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 14.13.50 # I try this image few month ago, and I can't managed to get it work 14.15.57 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-02716.home.otenet.gr) 14.17.51 # just a question : do you think m6 sp/tp build will be different as they use different hardware from the screen 14.18.31 # same thing for sl as it use different hardware and hasn't the same button layout 14.27.34 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245022.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 14.27.43 # hi 14.28.06 # markun: do you understand the code used to run arbitrary binaries, for the iriver t10? 14.28.33 # since the iriver T series and the Meizu players are using samsung chips, we can probably use that 14.28.52 # so, no need to reflash the firmware everytime we want to test something 14.29.10 # unfortunately, I don't understand that code, and where to insert/patch it 14.29.26 # (it should replace a function called when decoding wma files) 14.31.27 # I didn't look at it in detail 14.31.44 # wpyh : where I can find this code ? I'm pretty sure I can't understand it, but I'm interessed in looking in :) 14.33.09 # here: http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/ 14.33.47 # markun: well, the instructions there are pretty clear -- the problem is: the OF that the author uses is not available 14.34.00 # so I can't figure out the hack 14.34.06 # thanks 14.34.19 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.35.29 # wpyh: here you can find iriver firmwares if you are looking for it: http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/iriverupdate/ 14.36.18 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e7797f2428d6f2f8) 14.37.26 # markun: yes, that page is referenced in the sf.net site 14.37.48 # but the exact firmware version that the author uses is no longer available (he used 1.73, the current version is 1.77) 14.40.18 Quit J (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.40.23 # Morning, everyone! Someone want to have a peek at FS#9122? 14.40.29 Join J [0] (n=john@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust297.nott.cable.ntl.com) 14.40.46 Part B4gder 14.40.51 Quit vort3x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.41.12 Join Arwulf [0] (n=4668fdde@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa2681bf5723180c) 14.41.36 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 14.42.07 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 14.42.19 # anyone wants to have a peek at FS#9112? ;) 14.42.24 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.47 # Good morning... 14.43.04 # wpyh: I'll take a peek, I guess. ;) 14.43.22 # just saying hello, as suggested by the wiki registration page 14.43.26 # wpyh: actually, I disagree with rasher's comment :) 14.43.41 # Arwulf: you want write access? 14.43.49 # LambdaCalculus37: I'm not sure (that's why I haven't commented on it) but wouldn't it break other displays? Thinking of type 0 ones with the older firmware 14.44.07 # yes please. I fixed a theme to work with the current build and I would like to upload it. 14.44.16 # What's your wiki name? 14.44.22 # WolfAlcourt 14.44.50 # pixelma: I made mention of that on the Flyspray post. 14.45.10 # I just want to see if people can help test the patch. 14.45.22 # Arwulf: done 14.45.47 # markun: many thanks 14.45.48 # although the wiki account doesn't seem to exist 14.45.58 # :) 14.46.12 # gevaerts: uh? 14.46.13 # markun: my bad, I havent activated it yet... 14.46.25 # well, when you do you will have write access :) 14.46.27 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 14.46.34 # thanks! 14.46.44 # wpyh: if there is a compiler in my PATH, that's because I want it to be there... 14.47.04 # * wpyh is confused 14.47.10 # * wpyh thinks both sides have good arguments 14.48.26 Quit LTourist ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 14.48.26 # sadly components in PATH doesn't have an age 14.48.46 # i.e. whether they are there because of a "PATH=... make" or because it's system wide 14.49.32 # but if you really want to use a specific compiler, you can always edit ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPrefix :) 14.49.43 # Yes, but that's global again 14.49.46 # therefore prepending the path is a better idea than appending it 14.50.05 # gevaerts: that's not global -- that's local to your account, and to the specific make/configure invocation 14.50.32 # wpyh: it's just as global as all my other environment settings 14.50.58 # * gevaerts thinks that prepending a PATH should only be done if that is the _only_ way to make something work 14.51.16 # JdGordon: ping 14.51.41 # yes, it's at the same level as the other preference settings, but the difference is: it's only picked up when we compile rockbox, since other projects won't read ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPath 14.51.56 # Well, I do feel that prepending the PATH is a brute-force fix 14.51.59 # kugel: bleh 14.52.12 # JdGordon: does the patch still not work for you? 14.52.20 # well, send your comments in ;) 14.52.35 # havnt tested yet.. been busy 14.52.51 # I think prepending is better than appending, but I'm mostly impartial on this issue 14.53.07 # kugel: I did have some questions about it though.... why should the bmp always be only as big as half the screen height? imo thats wrong 14.53.36 # JdGordon: "always" means when resizing is enabled in the options 14.53.56 # im tlaking about the max sixe defines at the top 14.54.05 # disabling resiting results in unaltered cover arts 14.54.18 # resizing* 14.54.37 # JdGordon: What size are you thinking of? 14.55.29 # In the previous patch I had another size (for each 100px height 50px cover height, e.g. 100 for e200) 14.55.29 # well... with the old patch, if the screen was larger than 100x100 it would use 100x100.... with your change, a screen of greater than 100x100 will use 50x50...(ish) 14.55.45 # whats the tracker number? 14.55.52 # ? 14.56.21 # still 8335 14.56.30 # wpyh: since your patch actually doesn't create this RockboxCompilerPrefix file, I won't complain either way. Nothing will change for me anyway 14.57.15 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf142.ugent.be) 14.57.22 # kugel: im talking about the PREFERRED_IMG_HEIGHT define 14.57.24 # gevaerts: great :) at least no veto from the devs yet (although no one seems to like it very much...) 14.57.32 # JdGordon: I know 14.57.50 # * GodEater doesn't want anything fiddling with his PATH 14.58.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 doesn't want to, either 14.58.17 # * gevaerts is proud of his PATH 14.58.33 # JdGordon: i think, now as smooth scaling is in svn, we can use more flexible art sizes for picture flow to use the screen better 14.58.42 # /me is a follower of the light PATH 14.58.49 # well... i dont really mind lcd_height/2 but it should be always minimum of 50x50 (if the screen is beig enough)... also its possible than height/2 is bigger than width which will cause problems 14.59.06 # * wpyh hopes that doesn't mean a veto 14.59.29 # guys, gevaerts pointed out that the patch doesn't create the ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPrefix file ;) 14.59.37 # JdGordon: height/2 bigger than width? I highly doubt that'll happen 14.59.38 # veto? we arnt a democracy that has such a thing.... 15.00.09 # JdGordon: I thought a veto is only available in a semi-democratic societies? 15.00.26 # * wpyh remembers reading the thread about deciding on the name "Rockbox" :) 15.00.29 # well... yes.. but we arnt that also :p 15.00.34 # that'd mean a producer chooses to use a aspect ratio of >=2:1 for the screen. Very unlikely 15.00.40 # thats why we have so many open patches/requests still 15.00.47 # wpyh: actually, could you make the contents of RockboxCompilerPrefix something like 'prefix=/whatever', so that it could contain other settings as well ? If you do this, better do it in a future-proof way 15.01.01 # Rockbox is now, always has been, and always will be - a dictatorship 15.01.19 # GodEater: with 84 dictators? 15.01.24 # yes :) 15.01.28 # The only problem is that nobody knows who the dictator is :) 15.02.00 # gevaerts: sure... 15.02.38 # GodEater: I can see that :p 15.02.40 # JdGordon: I don't understand this: 50x50 (if the screen is beig enough). What would you prefer now? I mean, a screen with less than 100px height should use 50x50 but only if the screen is big enough?? 15.03.31 # gevaerts: I'll need to think about it 15.03.38 # kugel: a screen thats 75x75 should use 50x50... a screen that 120x120 should use 100x100... not 60x60... 15.04.14 # JdGordon: and a screen with 128x96 (we have such one afaik)? 15.04.33 # 75x75? 15.04.41 # kugel: if we get RB on the T60, then we will get a 128x64 screen :p 15.04.41 # but I see, you basically want to fill the screen even more with the art 15.05.14 # the problem I see is though, that the covers at the side possibly aren't viewable then 15.05.34 # ah yes.. forgot about them... 15.05.37 # I'd be inclined to actually leave it as it is 15.05.56 # JdGordon: well I didn't :p 15.06.15 # well thats a shame :p 15.06.39 Join d34df00d [0] (n=0xd34df0@80.251.122.132) 15.06.41 # Hi there! 15.07.08 # Would you characterize the state of Creative ZV:M port as usable for everyday use? 15.07.19 # Nope. 15.07.33 # JdGordon: I just choosed /2 now, because we don't really need to use "round"(e.g. multiples of 25) sizes with smooth scaling 15.07.38 Quit Arwulf ("CGI:IRC") 15.07.39 # There's no sound output, and installation requires you to rip open your ZVM. 15.08.06 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.08.09 # LambdaCalculus37: hm, that's not "usable" I think. 15.08.13 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.08.28 # And which player with big hard drive (>= 60 GB) would you recommend except for iPod? 15.08.42 # With a less violent method of installation? :) 15.08.57 # I've seen the page on rockbox.org, but devices recommended there aren't available. 15.09.00 # LambdaCalculus37: yep :) 15.09.06 # A Gigabeat F. 15.09.21 # You can easily put a larger hard drive into one. 15.09.24 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eee880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f2f204586080f6f) 15.09.58 # LambdaCalculus37: seems like it's not available at all in a country where I live. 15.11.31 # And rockbox doesn't work on ipod classic, right? 15.11.32 # You can also try for an iriver H100 or H300 series. 15.11.36 # No. 15.12.34 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-240-223-228.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 15.13.31 # All players available here are either small 4-8GB flash stuff or huge multimedia centers :( 15.14.37 # eBay! 15.14.56 Quit logiclost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.03 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 15.16.06 # LambdaCalculus37: eh, it would take too long. 15.16.16 # Maybe I should just replace the HDD in my almost dead iPod... 15.17.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.17.23 Join LTourist [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-102-46.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.18.48 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpna045.ugent.be) 15.20.43 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drg8.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 15.20.59 # d34df00d: which ipod do you own? 15.21.15 # wpyh: 80GB 5.5. 15.22.31 # great 15.22.49 # you can use a cf card to substitute the hdd, as I did with mine 15.23.09 # the problem with me is that I now have a useless hdd lying around 15.23.21 # wpyh: it would work without any additional magic? 15.23.34 # yes 15.23.46 # the only problem is that you need to look for a compatible cf card 15.24.13 # wpyh: how would I now if a given card is compatible? 15.24.28 # here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide 15.24.33 # wpyh: and why you replaced the HDD? 15.24.49 # look at the Compatibility Chart and Incompatibility Chart 15.25.00 # I replaced the hdd because I didn't like a moving part :p 15.25.14 # wpyh: and where are you located? 15.25.21 # If you're near me, I'd buy it :) 15.25.29 # d34df00d: well, I'm in China... 15.25.44 # wpyh: quite far... I'm in Russia. 15.26.07 # 32 GB isn't enough for all my music collection, I'd like to keep it all there. 15.26.10 # not so near :p 15.26.32 # 32GB _isn't_ enough? 15.26.46 # * wpyh is using a 8 GB cf card right now 15.27.06 # wpyh: yes, it isn't. I've got 45 GB of almost continiously growing collection :) 15.27.14 # wow :p 15.27.43 # wpyh: my friends think it's quite small collection. Some of them have got about 500 GB :) 15.27.45 # 32GB isn't enough for mine either 15.27.52 # that number doesn't mean much, it also depends on file type and bitrates... 15.27.54 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.27.57 # LOTS of people have huge music collections 15.28.02 # * wpyh thinks pixelma has a point 15.28.10 # and if you prefer flac (or some other lossless format) you need oodles of space 15.28.12 # About 6000 tracks, almost all are mp3/256, some are flac. 15.28.25 # I consider converting flac to ogg/256. 15.28.29 # 6000 tracks -- now that's a lot :p 15.28.47 # d34df00d, wpyh: maybe something for #rockbox-community? 15.28.57 # markun: yeah... 15.29.03 # markun: you mean, it's offtopic? 15.29.06 # let's move to #rockbox-community ;) 15.29.07 # * GodEater has 5969 tracks currently 15.29.11 # * d34df00d joins... 15.29.34 Quit LTourist ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.30.17 # Rockbox's HDD is 50, 40 or 44 pin? 15.30.58 # d34df00d: it depends on the device 15.31.27 # Damn. 15.31.34 # s/Rockbox/iPod 80GB/ 15.31.52 # oh 15.31.54 # iPod videos uses ZIF. 15.31.56 # it's a ZIF 15.31.56 Join lostlogic [50] (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 15.32.05 # * wpyh is slower than LambdaCalculus37 15.32.27 # wpyh: LambdaCalculus37: thanks. 15.35.31 # Transcend TS32GCF133 would do for the iPod 5.5G? I don't see it in either chart. 15.35.43 # But similar card for 8 GB doesn't work... Hm... 15.36.39 # yeah, the transcend card doesn't work 15.36.42 # try an apacer instead 15.36.52 # it's only a little bit more expensive than the transcend 15.37.12 # * d34df00d checks if it's available.. 15.39.14 # It isn't but my friend has got a dead ipod 5.5g 80 gb with hdd in perfect shape. 15.39.29 # That's inexpressible :) 15.39.51 # how do you know it's dead? 15.40.44 # I've just talked with him (friend, not ipod). 15.41.13 # The board is somehow corrupted, and hdd is checked and error-free. 15.41.22 # talking to the ipod would have been so much cooler 15.42.41 # um... 15.42.46 # corrupted? 15.42.51 # * wpyh has an idea ;) 15.43.09 # d34df00d: install RB on it and convince him that only RB can work on it! ;) 15.43.30 # wpyh: yes, some stuff with circuitry. 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private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg' 20.38.33 Join Synthrebe [0] (n=Synthreb@c213-100-135-215.swipnet.se) 20.38.47 # hello 20.38.51 # i have a question 20.39.08 # i got my sansa e280 today 20.39.23 # where is usb msc setting? cant reach it in settings 20.39.47 # is your sansa a v1? And if yes, what version is the firmware? 20.40.10 # sansa v3.01.11e 20.40.10 # And if unsure, what version is the firmware? 20.40.18 # That's a v2. Rockbox will not run on it. 20.40.21 # there was at least one (the latest? Not sure) that doesn't have the MSC setting anymore. In that case you'd need to downgrade the firmware 20.40.24 # damn 20.40.33 # ... and LambdaCalculus37 beat me with the v2 ;-) 20.40.38 # ;) 20.40.41 # is downgrading possible? 20.40.45 # Nope. 20.41.15 # the v2 is completely different hardware. 20.41.17 # damn i thought rocbox worked on all kinds of e sansa 20.41.22 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.161) 20.41.29 Part J-23 20.41.33 # no. The frontpage clearly states "not v2 models" 20.41.39 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.41.41 # oh 20.41.56 # And we have no idea when a version for the v2 hardware will be released. 20.42.05 # Right now, no one is really working on it. 20.42.12 # meaning never 20.42.32 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.161) 20.42.34 # No, meaning "just not right now, until someone steps up and starts doing the work". 20.42.35 # well, some investigation has been made. Check the New Ports forums. 20.42.48 # well this trash sansa is gonna get it then. 20.42.49 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.42.58 # i heard Synthrebe has one, maybe he can work on it 20.42.58 # * Synthrebe gets a hammer 20.43.40 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.43.45 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.161) 20.43.54 # hmm, bootloader uninstallation hangs when there are insufficient permissions -- at least on linux for e200 20.44.29 # Synthrebe: You know, iamben has a point. 20.44.47 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.04 # i wish i could but im stuck with this old v1 e280 20.45.22 # there are 2 e280? 20.45.43 # i think mine is about a year old 20.46.05 # 8 gb? 20.46.30 # yes 20.46.39 # 8gb here too 20.46.42 # no fm 20.47.09 # i need to downgrade sansa firmware since nothing works 20.47.10 # v1 and v2 have the same basic characteristics, but they use different chips to achieve those 20.47.15 # it wont even show up on pc 20.47.50 Part skylerb 20.48.15 # well im this close to trashing this player with a hammer 20.49.57 # Synthrebe: dont do that... 20.50.23 # why? nothing works plug in to USB nothing shows up in my computer 20.50.43 # because a developer might want it? 20.50.44 # thats prolly why rockbox can't be installed 20.50.57 # you can always donate the player to someone interested in working on the port ... 20.50.58 # No, that's not the reason. 20.51.09 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.134) 20.51.36 # ehmm borrow it out till ports done? 20.51.44 # since im short of cash 20.52.01 # some idiots stole my old rockboxed e260 (i still suffer) 20.52.02 # "since ports done" could be a long time. 20.54.20 # yay, site's back again! 20.54.35 Quit DataGhost () 20.56.57 # yea but if a dev would like to borrow it till a beta's out im all for it 20.57.54 # Beta? We do betas? I thought we just did daily and SVN builds. ;) 21.01.09 Join ghen [0] (n=geert@lori.ghen.be) 21.01.20 # ok then a build then 21.02.33 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.03.30 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 21.03.41 # hmm how lovely , i just got myself a wortless device 21.04.37 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 21.04.57 # what happends if i try to downgrade btw? 21.05.03 # Nothing will happen. 21.05.15 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.05.16 # Synthrebe: the issue is the hardware...not necessarily the firmware 21.05.46 # Synthrebe: the v2 versions have a different range of version numbers, so that is how we tell 21.06.12 # they exchanged some chips? 21.06.18 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f001@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bb9c96cf3efde053) 21.07.31 # it is a good deal more than that, but sure 21.08.11 # i got a feeling rockbox consumed less battery power too 21.09.54 # i'll see maybe i can turn it in as defective 21.10.36 # since it never shows up 21.12.06 # well, if it's MTP you need WMP10 or something like that speaking MTP 21.13.00 # Media Transfer Protocol sucks 21.13.40 # * LambdaCalculus37 directs Synthrebe to #rockbox-moan-and-groan 21.13.47 # Anyone know why this WPS is breaking? > http://pastebin.ca/1056617 21.14.19 # crzyboyster: You saw that conditional viewports were committed on Monday, correct? 21.14.28 # thats it im sending it back to store and get money back 21.14.44 # Yes 21.15.01 # if that wont work im gonna practice my hammer over it 21.15.14 # There's some info here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17348.0 21.16.06 # Synthrebe: Stop talking about violence against DAPs. If your Sansa is not working for you, then you should ask somewhere else for assistance, like the Anythingbutipod forums. 21.17.02 # If there are too many images in a theme buffer, will the theme break completely? 21.17.09 # I will , thx for info guys im outta here 21.17.11 Part Synthrebe 21.17.48 # crzyboyster: To be honest, JdGordon is really the man to talk to. 21.17.54 # crzyboyster: the "%m|16|" from line 48 has to go 21.18.07 # PaulJam: Ahh, thanks for covering! ;) 21.19.10 # Thanks, guys! 21.22.24 # What exactly was that "%m|16|" ? Was that some old code? 21.23.13 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.23.37 # a 16 pixel margin, but the same can now be archieved with viewports. 21.24.06 # Cool 21.25.31 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.26.52 # And will the multifont patch be committed anytime soon? 21.28.12 # Do I just need to run rockboxdev.sh in order to get the full set of crosscompilers built? 21.29.59 Join Patrick [0] (n=chatzill@70.21.31.76) 21.30.06 Nick Patrick is now known as phixxor (n=chatzill@70.21.31.76) 21.30.37 # amiconn: Yep. Just ask it to build all of them. 21.31.48 # hey I'm about to buy an mp3 player to use rockbox on -- I'm just wondering if you have any recommendations concerning audio quality, space, or available codecs for any models 21.31.54 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.32.20 # like which mp3 players have the best line out sound quality and can play flac 21.32.28 # with decent amount of storage space 21.32.33 # phixxor: take a look at : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide 21.32.39 # thanks :) 21.34.06 # for line out quality the h100 would probably win, beacuse it has a S/PDIF line out. 21.35.14 # thanks :) 21.35.26 # hopefully this will be how I listen to music in the car 21.35.35 # plug it into the car stereo somehow 21.40.40 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.41.21 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21.41.25 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.52.59 # hmm h100s don't seem to be readily available 21.53.02 # at least not on amazon 21.54.00 # none of the targets rockbox runs on are in production. try ebay. 21.54.21 # thanks 21.55.03 # Also don't search for h100, that's the generic name for the series. Try h120, h140, ihp120 or ihp140 21.55.52 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.58.15 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 21.58.25 Join silo [0] (n=chatzill@88-104-151-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.58.46 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 21.59.08 # I guess the easiest thing would be if I had bought one when they were available 21.59.36 # just curious.. how long have these keymaps been available? 21.59.39 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.39 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17771 22.00.09 Join HAMAN [0] (n=62cea8b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f0bca20d14ccdf0a) 22.00.31 # ages 22.02.34 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.03.04 Join fxb_ [0] (n=felixbru@p548F4F48.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.04.23 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@69.150.142.131) 22.05.54 # pixelma: speaking of keymaps, I still think you should commit your c200 changes :) 22.05.57 Quit stripwax (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.06.39 # Maybe we should discuss keymap policy/theory at DevCon 22.07.41 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 22.08.09 # BigBambi: thanks for your opinion, I'll keep that in mind 22.08.28 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f5457cce624c87a5) 22.08.30 # pixelma: Just for the record, I haven't tried your patch, but read the description and it makes sense. 22.08.58 # The c200 keymap as it is confused the hell out of me when I first tried to use it 22.09.06 # The patch makes it *much* better 22.09.53 # Good evening, I'd like to request write permission to the Wiki and I believe this is the place to request it :) 22.10.02 # silo: What is your wiki name? 22.10.08 # I'm still not satisfied with the virtual keyboard and the recording screen keymap updates might have a problem in case there will be a "normal" menu one day 22.10.09 # SiloSpen 22.11.17 Nick silo is now known as SiloSpen (n=chatzill@88-104-151-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.11.18 # pixelma: The recording screen needs a pretty big rework in general, though, I think. It and the FM screen don't work like the rest of Rockbox in my opinion. Most of the trends for controls last even in plugins more or less, but often not in those. 22.11.22 # silo: Out of interest, what are you looking to modify? 22.11.31 Quit fxb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.12.19 # BigBambi: I'd like to investigate the possibility of a rockbox port to the Sandisk Sansa Express. The info page doesn't contain the PCB images located in the ABI forums and so I'd like to start there 22.12.26 # SiloSpen: cool 22.13.00 # SiloSpen: OK, done - promise not to spam! 22.13.03 # My gut instinct tells me it's probably not going to come to fruition, but it's worth a try :) 22.13.03 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 22.13.18 # Thanks a lot BigBambi. And I promise! 22.13.26 # Cool, have fun :) 22.14.00 # Have we identified the Express' chipset yet? 22.14.00 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.43 # STMP3600 is the chipset, I believe 22.14.48 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-efbfc0709327fc61) 22.15.01 # Unless I'm getting confused between my chips 22.15.08 # * Zagor ponders if he'll be able to give away his TraxAudio mStation this year. Any takers? :) 22.15.11 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 22.16.06 # * Bagder watches silence ;-) 22.16.13 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=0c9b3399@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dcb926ba4cdfc429) 22.16.20 Quit MarcGuay (Client Quit) 22.16.26 # * BigBambi doesn't even know what that is :) 22.16.33 # was that the car radio? 22.16.51 # yeah. also known as SSI Neo-35: http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/ 22.17.20 # runs "openneo", which is an old rockbox fork 22.17.49 # (can run, I haven't actually installed it) 22.19.17 # I bought the thing years ago to make proper rockbox run on it, but in the end I couldn't be bothered... 22.19.44 # Might be quite difficult, actually 22.19.53 # The thing only has 256KB RAM iirc 22.20.40 # right, but with a spinning hard disk :-) 22.20.42 # yep, but it also never spins down so it only needs a very small buffer. 22.20.57 # I'm more concerned about rockbox itself 22.20.58 # ack.. phone... 22.21.15 # It probably needs cutting quite some stuff 22.21.33 # amiconn: well this was a long time ago 22.21.37 # was going to ask if i needed fs8396 22.21.43 # What features does it have? Just playback? And what kind of display? 22.21.56 # since long/short right was already there 22.22.07 # or am i missing something 22.22.21 # amiconn: playback only, charcell display 22.22.37 # Hmm, so it should be similar to the Player 22.23.10 # yes, it's pretty much identical. the biggest difference is the ram and the 4-line display 22.23.13 # MAS3507 + DAC3550? 22.23.16 # yup 22.23.19 # i love that patch.. would love to see it in the main tree 22.23.39 # ...and different buttons of course 22.23.43 # Making voice work might be somewhat challenging 22.23.52 # totally solves the "handing the player to an idiot" problem :) 22.23.55 # Maybe loading clips individually 22.24.11 # markun, if you still here, i'll appreciate if you can send me what you've already did on the simulator and target tree for example, even if it's wrong... It's just to see and to make the environnement more familiar ;) 22.24.52 # hey guys, sorry for askin this here, off topic, but anyone know how i can get data (music) off of a vista hd thats pluged into an xp sys. ? i tried lookin all over, not finding anything 22.25.18 # * amiconn wonders how they're doing 2 minutes anti-shock with just 256KB ram 22.25.25 # That can't be right... 22.25.34 # HAMAN: Do not ask off-topic questions in here. 22.25.52 # alright, I'm kind of confused -- what is the difference between a regular headphone jack and the outputs the iriver h100 series provides 22.26.15 # amiconn: where does it say that? 22.26.18 # phixxor: In terms of physical shape, signal, or what? 22.26.24 # http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/specification.shtml 22.26.30 # shape and quality 22.26.34 # and what you can use it with 22.26.35 # phixxor: speaking about line out or phone out? 22.26.45 # line out I think 22.26.48 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 22.26.49 # phixxor: the h100 has a regular headphone jack, regular line in and line out (same jack as the headphone), and optical digital line in and out 22.26.51 # I don't know anything about phone out 22.26.56 # bah 22.27.00 Quit HAMAN ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.27.30 # amiconn: that page also says "Built-in 1MB Buffer" 22.27.32 # so if I had a device with a digital optical line in, I could use the h100 22.27.39 # Building all crosscompilers on the VM took 50 minutes... 22.27.41 # otherwise it would be useless to me 22.27.47 # ? 22.27.50 Quit iamben (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.28.13 # phixxor: It has a standard headphone jack 22.28.20 # right 22.28.26 # anyway, I guess it stays in the trash bin :) 22.28.50 # It also has a port that is the same shape as a standard headphone jack, but is designed to be fed into a line in, expecting different resistance. This jack also doubles as an optical jack for if you have something with an optical input. 22.29.05 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drg8.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.29.07 # ah, thanks! that makes sense 22.29.33 # do you know offhand the types of devices with optical input? 22.29.41 # There are loads. 22.30.07 # and the headphone out has a special extension to plug the remote. But you can still plug in a standard 3.5mm jack 22.30.08 # computers, car stereos, what :) 22.30.08 # It's a common output/input in home theatre gear. 22.30.14 # ah 22.30.30 # As well, many modern computer sound cards have some form of digital audio jack. If not optical usually a small converter will work. 22.31.17 # the advantage of it is that the signal is digital, so you're not degrading sound quality over that part of the signal path, and can have a higher quality DAC do the conversion to analog at the other end. 22.31.34 # yeah :) 22.31.42 # if I'm going to be using flacs with this 22.31.58 # I don't want to use an analog connection if I can avoid it 22.32.23 # the only problem is the only thing that seems to have this is the h100 22.32.35 # and there aren't many left :P 22.32.42 # (with rockbox) 22.33.21 # Hmm, rockboxdev.sh doesn't clean up after building :/ 22.33.30 # Yes, unfortunately most MP3 players are portable, and designed to interact with portable hardware. They expect you to buy a set-top box or similar for that sort of thing 22.33.30 # lol.. i just sold mine 2 months ago for $100 22.33.40 # amiconn: no, that's on purpose 22.33.41 # was to a friend though... 22.33.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.33.46 # why? 22.33.50 # for debugging, or additional stuff or whatever 22.34.02 # yea 22.34.02 # h140 that is 22.34.11 # Imho it'd make sense to clean up if everything went ok 22.34.14 # wish I had cool firends 22.34.17 # lol 22.34.17 # but I guess we know it works by now ;-) 22.34.35 # phixxor: hey, we all do. That's why we hang out here ;-P 22.34.44 # lol 22.35.22 # so if I could get an h100 and a digital line in car stereo, I could have digital audio in my car 22.35.25 # that would be good 22.36.08 # That would basically be the best you can get, yes 22.36.43 # FLAC digitally into a digital line in on the player should be bit identical, in theory, to having the original CD in the player. 22.36.56 # Of course, the H120 can carry a lot more CDs than the average car stereo, at least 22.37.04 # possibly better if you get native 24/96 flacs 22.37.22 # which are rare, but some exist 22.37.22 # how are those different from normal flacs 22.37.30 # goffa: Uhm, I said "original CD".... native 24/96 flacs didn't come from an original Cd. 22.37.56 # Evidently I have a lot of stuff to read, however the new port page worries me a little. Tracing with multimeters and hardware emulators? Is that necessary on such a small device? 22.38.04 # phixxor: He just means if you have FLACs of a higher quality audio source than standard CD audio. 22.38.07 # yeah.. i know they didn't.. but you can have "better than cd" 22.38.26 # SiloSpen: that depends. If you're lucky it isn't needed 22.38.38 # SiloSpen: Why would the size of the device matter as to whether the information needs to be known? 22.38.41 # well.. assuming you can find any.. i think flac.sourceforge.net used to have some links 22.38.41 # that would be cool though 22.39.02 # Well, lets hope I'm lucky :) 22.39.33 # Bagder: maybe make rockboxdev.sh accept a "clean up" switch? 22.39.55 # yeah, or possibly even a question 22.40.15 # of course.. doubt you could hear the difference in a car 22.40.18 # I was thinking about looking for a car stereo that reads dvds and flacs 22.40.21 # Llorean: As a novice to the game, this may be entirely incorrect. However, it seems to me that the smaller the device is, the more integrated into a single chip the electronics are. If that's true then the less worrying about connections needs to be done 22.40.25 # but if it exists it's rare 22.40.43 # dap would be easier than disks anyway 22.41.13 # phixxor: 2 players are listed here: http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html for car stereo that is 22.41.26 # nice to see they gave a mention to rockbox on daps too 22.41.28 # yeah looked at that, one's russian and the other is discontinued :) 22.42.00 # yeah.. aux in is much easier to come by 22.42.06 Quit moos ("Viva España !") 22.42.06 # thats the route i went 22.43.29 # SiloSpen: There's some logic to that, but unless it eliminates hardware external to the SoC entirely, other issues than the size of the player will determine whether tracing is needed. 22.44.01 # funny flac is what turned me to rockbox.. now i don't use flac on the dap 22.44.28 # well.. flac and musepack 22.44.31 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.134) 22.45.06 # That makes sense, Llorean. Thanks for the explanation :) 22.45.32 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.45.33 # SiloSpen: Still, as gevaerts said you can get lucky and not need any. 22.45.58 # Well, I'll find out tomorrow when I get started on this thing. Thanks again to everyone for being so helpful. 22.46.13 Quit SiloSpen ("^^") 22.48.20 # LTourist: can it wait till after the weekend? 22.48.37 # I need to get my tree in sync but I'm busy packing for the trip tomorrow 22.48.42 Join crzyboyster [0] (n=6210f001@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88fbb3c58d46696e) 22.50.09 # yeah, sure, no problem ^^ 22.50.16 # I'm just curious 22.50.48 # by the way, I just remember something... The m6 use a 90 flipped screen 22.51.10 Quit phixxor (Remote closed the connection) 22.51.32 # I'm trying to make my WPS work like cabbiev2 with viewports. Basically, I want the text to be centered when there is no album art and when there is, it should be right aligned. Here's my code > http://pastebin.ca/1056687 22.51.50 # I don't know If you know what I mean : that's why you need to rotate video when transfering to the m6. I hope this would not be a major problem when the driver will be coded 22.52.27 # LTourist: you mean the OF shows it rotated or that the screen is actually physically rotated? 22.53.20 # I don't really know... 22.54.12 # LTourist: as long as we figure out how to program the lcd controller, the rotation doesn't really matter but is just for us to decide on 22.55.11 # can you explain "just for us to decide on" ? Sometimes, I have some lacks in my english comprehension (and expression too ^^ ) 22.55.15 Join fxb__ [0] (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.55.43 # LTourist: we will use the display as 320x240, even if it's 240x320 22.56.31 # It shows fine when there is album art, but when there is no album art available, all of the viewport conditional text doesn't appear. Any idea why? 22.56.46 # LTourist: the Gigabeat has a 240x320 screen for example, but we display videos rotated. Works fine. 22.57.43 # markun : ok ok ^^ Thanks for these precisions :) 22.57.49 # crzyboyster: a "%" is missing in line 27. 22.58.20 # gevaerts: I packed my Autobahn CD of course :) Which ones are you brining? 22.58.29 # oops, wrong channel 22.59.06 # You're a genius, PaulJam! 22.59.08 # I would really help rockbox making the m6 port or other stuff, but I'm affraid that I don't have the required skills to do this... 23.00.42 Quit crzyboyster ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.02.08 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 23.05.16 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.05.39 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.08.00 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.13.10 Join pareidolia [0] (n=pareidol@mak.xs4all.nl) 23.13.31 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 23.13.34 # LTourist: there are always things to do lateron 23.13.34 # Hi all 23.13.38 # hi pareidolia 23.13.52 # Anyone here using Rockbox on a 3rd gen iPod ? 23.14.20 Quit fxb_ () 23.14.24 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 23.14.46 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.59 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-103-202-16.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.16.31 # markun : but I think that could be interessting to code some drivers or stuff like that, even more when I would make embedded developpement my work... 23.17.41 # btw, someone sent me a driver for the touchpad 23.18.14 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180079116.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.18.22 # that a great news!!! the tp/sp one or the sl? (qt411 or qt1106) 23.18.37 # let me check :) 23.18.47 Part Llorean 23.18.48 # 1106 23.19.01 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-106-132.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 23.19.05 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eee880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-202e62ed570997f6) 23.19.32 # very simple driver, used for linux I think. but saves us some work. 23.19.39 Join captainkewl [0] (i=2669ecc2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4dbeb56267491325) 23.19.57 # ok, when you'll send me all the stuff, don't forget to include this too, I'll try to read and understand most of code I can. It would be great if I could at least understand how the whole thing works :) 23.20.20 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@e178109187.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.21.11 # I'm looking at the gigabeat lcd driver at the moment : that's not so hard to understand, but I can't figure how can it be possible to code this from the datasheet ^^ 23.24.18 Quit roolku (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.28.12 # GodEater: you still here? 23.29.13 # * Bagder will get back tomorrow instead 23.29.27 # * Bagder falls off his chair and crawls to bed 23.31.37 # nice typing while crawling ;) 23.32.26 Join BdN3504 [0] (n=55b22c72@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3fbb82ce655a1e0e) 23.32.41 # hey guys i have a question concerning wps 23.34.57 Quit pareidolia ("Leaving") 23.35.07 Quit n17ikh (Connection timed out) 23.35.08 # i want to use the conditional albumart command as follows: 23.38.56 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 23.40.23 Quit BdN3504 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.42.56 Quit captainkewl ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.48.22 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 23.52.45 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! 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