--- Log for 01.07.108 Server: heinlein.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 3 hours ago 00.00.34 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 00.01.57 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.02.05 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-160-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.07.28 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.12.33 Join tlhiv_laptop [0] (n=foo@c-68-63-56-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) 00.12.38 Quit captainkewl ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.14.52 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.15.30 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-163-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.19.01 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.31 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@28.186.pn.adsl.brightview.com) 00.21.16 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.21 Join enterusername [0] (n=enter@dsl-67-204-19-191.acanac.net) 00.21.45 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.21.49 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.24.54 # is there a way to backup the original firmware before installing rockbox? 00.25.38 Part LinusN 00.26.05 Join xxbatman94xx [0] (i=d1ad5e65@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ec76564d00ae0992) 00.26.05 # tlhiv_laptop, what player are you talking about.. most of them you can redownload the firmware for 00.26.20 # Sandisk e250 00.26.23 # Sansa 00.26.56 # hey does anyone know if the current build for the ipod photo is still bugged 00.27.22 # do not worry.. you can redownload the firmware off of rockbox or many other site 00.27.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 00.29.25 # advcomp2019: i know you probably don't have this specific model, but you would think that rockbox would be "better" than most default firmwares, esp. for the Sandisk Sansa e250? 00.30.26 # i have a sansa e280r and i like rockbox more then the OF 00.30.39 # tlhiv_laptop: It's harmless to try it. You might want to read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox. 00.30.55 # MarcGuay: thanks ... reading now 00.31.03 Quit csc` ("10.23.07: Never forget") 00.31.08 Quit xxbatman94xx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.31.15 # there is no need to "back up" the original firmware, as it is not removed. tlhiv_laptop - Rockbox modifies the Sansa bootloader (the bit of code which launches the Sansa original firmware) so that Rockbox loads by default instead of the original firmware (OF). All you need to do is remove the Rockbox bootloader and your player will behave as it did when stock. 00.31.48 # soap: beautiful 00.32.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF50F2.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.32.06 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.45 # tlhiv_laptop: It's also possible to dual boot so you can choose which one you want to use every time you turn it on. 00.32.53 # i have never had an portable "mp3 player" and i'm a tech geek ... i just bought the e250 for my car, and i feel like i'm finally entering the 21st century 00.33.07 # MarcGuay: cool 00.33.18 # just to be sure, tlhiv_laptop... you do have the first generation e250? 00.33.19 # doesn't use GRUB does it ;) 00.33.21 # tlhiv_laptop: I finally dumped the backpack-full-of-CDs look last fall, myself. 00.33.31 Join csc` [0] (n=csc@archlinux/user/csc) 00.33.38 # soap: i haven't received it yet --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125011 00.33.57 # tlhiv_laptop, it could be a v2 00.34.19 # MarcGuay: well i just didn't listen to much but talk radio in the car ... but the kids are constantly bothering me about music in the car ;) 00.34.27 # Without following that link, unless it is refurbished the odds are very strong it is NOT a V1 e200 00.34.37 # so i rewired my car stereo to provide an aux. input and removed my tape 00.35.04 # not being a v1 means what, specifically? 00.35.05 # tlhiv_laptop, one thing that gives it away is "Supports microSD and microSDHC cards" 00.35.08 # that rockbox won't work? 00.35.08 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.35.26 # tlhiv_laptop: Correct. 00.35.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.35.37 # tlhiv_laptop, not being a version 1 (V1) means that it is completely different hardware than the original e200 and not hardware on which Rockbox currently runs. 00.35.40 # yikes ... any plans for support? 00.35.43 # tlhiv_laptop: Have you ordered it already? 00.35.55 # yes ... earlier today ... already shipped 00.35.56 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-164-140.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.36.05 # might even be here as early as tomorrow but more likely in 2 days 00.36.31 Quit ender` (" I will be neither chivalrous nor sporting. If I have an unstoppable superweapon, I will use it as early and as often as pos") 00.36.34 # tlhiv_laptop: There's a thread in the forums to discuss hacking it if you want to help out. 00.36.55 # * Nico_P has a preliminary fix for FS#8999 00.37.23 Quit enteruse1name (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.38.24 # tlhiv_laptop: In case you have trouble finding it: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0. 00.38.44 # i'll read through this thread now 00.39.46 # i did read on the customer reviews at Newegg that several said they were using Rockbox 00.40.21 # tlhiv_laptop, yes, but it's a silent upgrade; ordering new may still give you a v2 00.40.49 # it's probably "surely" instead of "may" ;) 00.41.28 # most new ones are v2 unless they have some hidden somewhere 00.41.56 # since it will be exclusively for the car, i really need an interface that can be navigated easily while driving 00.42.01 # OF or rockbox 00.43.13 Join conley [0] (n=ibcliffo@spode.cs.vt.edu) 00.43.55 # I have a gigabeatS and I'm installing rockbox. I just used the sendfirm utility and it sort of worked but I got several errors like: usb_clear_halt() on INTERRUPT endpoint: Protocol error 00.44.26 # also, the gigabeat says: "firmware update or restoration required. Please wait." 00.44.44 # Can anyone help? Should I really wait? Nothing is happening. 00.45.20 # conley: the errors at the end of the sendfirm process are normal 00.45.42 # thanks, are you familiar with the message on the gigabeat? 00.45.44 # they appear because the device restarts abruptly 00.45.53 # and are you familiar with the S 00.46.03 # is there a triangle with an error code in it? 00.46.08 # yes, 3 00.46.09 # i.e. a number 00.46.30 # IIRC that means you need to connect the gigabeat and use sendfirm again 00.47.04 # ok, it's been connected the whole time...should I unconnect and reconnect, and try again? 00.47.12 # or just leave it like it is and try again? 00.47.32 # disconnect it, then reconnect it and send the firmware again 00.47.36 # it should restart and boot 00.47.41 # ok, should I turn it off or anything? 00.47.47 # no need 00.47.53 # it would just go back to that screen 00.48.19 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-162-024.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.49.04 # krazykit: how will i know when i receive it whether it's v1 or v2? 00.49.07 # I can't seem to get it to go off that screen 00.49.13 # it won't turn off or anything 00.49.16 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.21 # tlhiv_laptop, you'll turn it on and check the firmware version 00.49.28 # ;) 00.49.55 # If it is a V1 I'll eat krazykit's hat. 00.49.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF50F2.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.50.10 # conley: even with sendfirm? 00.50.37 # then try rebooting 00.50.38 # yea, I ran the command again, it says there's no device to connect to... 00.50.53 # well it'll be a couple of days, but we'll see 00.50.57 # conley: that's because you need to disconnect and reconnect 00.51.00 # either way, for $33, i can't complain 00.51.05 # Nico_P: I did 00.51.11 # ah, then maybe try rebooting 00.51.19 # rebooting what? 00.51.22 # the gigabeat? 00.51.24 # the S 00.51.25 # yes 00.51.26 # it won't turn off 00.51.32 # use the battery switch 00.51.39 # k 00.51.49 # (forgot about that...I don't use this thing) 00.52.06 # (I've been hanging out on #gigabeat for a year and a half waiting to use rockbox on it) 00.52.11 # you'll need it if you start messing with rockbox on the S, it's still an early port ;) 00.52.13 # you can't really turn OF "off" 00.52.30 # except via the battery switch 00.52.40 # also, it needs to boot OF to charge 00.53.22 # I rebooted, it went to the same error screen, I connected and sendfirm is telling me there are no devices 00.53.41 # iirc error #3 is the reformat one? 00.53.48 # ah, although the error code is 2 now 00.53.51 # i believe it goes through several steps 00.53.56 # conley: you need to wait for a bit 00.54.05 # wait until it tells you to connect it 00.54.09 # ok 00.54.09 # yeah, it won't work w/ sendfirm until it *tells* you to connect it and update firmware 00.54.12 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.54.17 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.43 # and in my experience, after a reformat it will also not boot rockbox w/ the bootloader "file not found" error until it's been synced w/ WMP :/ 00.54.45 # it gave me error code 2 "Update or restore ...using PC..." 00.54.52 # should I do it now? 00.54.59 # ah, ok I should 00.55.06 # conley: if it's telling you to, yeah, that's when. 00.55.24 # aha, it's working.....or was....now there's nothing 00.55.32 # "nothing"? 00.55.38 # black screen 00.55.44 # like it's turned off or something 00.55.46 Part tlhiv_laptop (":q!") 00.55.56 # there was small white text saying something on black 00.55.58 # lol, vi humor ;) 00.56.08 # in my joy, I didn't see what it said 00.56.17 # oh, oh, is it still plugged in? 00.56.20 # clicked the power butten again 00.56.24 # yea, it is 00.56.25 # i think that may not be an error at all 00.56.26 # can it not be? 00.56.36 # should I unplug it? 00.56.48 # the white text said "bootloader usb mode" 00.56.48 # push anything, d-pad should work, and see if you see anything on the screen then 00.57.02 # yea, I do 00.57.03 # is the hols switch on? 00.57.04 # yeah, it'll sleep the display after a bit in bootloader usb mode 00.57.09 # it just says bootloader usb mode 00.57.19 # is usb still connected? 00.57.21 # yes 00.57.24 # conley: yeah, it'll try to boot rockbox if you unplug it ;D 00.57.25 # disconnect? 00.57.26 # then that's why 00.57.46 # disconnect it qnd it should attempt to boot 00.57.58 # blah, error #3 again 00.58.02 # :/ 00.58.18 # * Nico_P has to reset his internet connection, back in a sec 00.58.22 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.54 # that's... odd. almost like something messed up the drive contents after the first restore finished :/ 00.59.07 # ok, i need to be family dude now. later. 00.59.18 # when I disconnected, it said "file not found" 00.59.22 # bye 00.59.27 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-162-024.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.01.14 # error #1 now....have I hit them all yet? 01.05.48 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-167-242.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.06.27 Join Shaid [0] 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host)) 01.47.51 # conley: no, you're missing #5, which afaict is HDD failure, or failure to communicate w/ the HDD 01.48.46 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01.49.02 # "file not found" means either that rockbox is not installed (ie only installed bootloader) or that for some reason rb bootloader can't read the .rockbox dir. it might do to run a filesystem check while in USB bootloader mode, but my file not found errors only ever seemed to clear by syncing via WMP. 01.49.52 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.52.02 # MarcGuay: Yea, a bit 01.52.44 # MarcGuay: Why are you asking? 01.54.56 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.55.49 Quit arohtar (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.13.33 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.14.31 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 02.18.24 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.19.00 Quit kushal_12_27_200 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset 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down menu/select to reset it 03.17.21 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.17.28 # ive had this issue for over a year, when i asked about it originally there wasn't a fix 03.17.35 # i just wanted to know if that had changed 03.17.49 # (yes i am using the latest version) 03.20.20 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 03.23.26 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 03.25.04 # MarcGuay: hey, you round? 03.25.23 Quit arohtar (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.27.37 # MarcGuay: so i dont forget later.... can you not link to that "ready to commit blaa" thread please? the syntax in the first post is wrong.. please link to the wiki instead 03.35.21 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.22 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-255-041.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.34 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-255-041.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.18 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 03.42.09 Quit assumedalive (Read error: 101 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Hey could someone please help me? I want to convert videos for playing them on my iPod nano, so I created a shell script that uses ffmpeg. It worked fine on windows, but now I'm in ubuntu, and if I launch it it tells me "Unknown codec : libmp3lame". I tried also the mp3 codec, didn't work. How do I install that codec? thnx 07.46.45 Quit terrence1019 (Client Quit) 07.51.37 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 07.56.16 # houbysoft: hmm. 07.56.26 # have you installed lame? 07.56.53 # sudo apt-get install lame? 07.57.18 # now installing 07.57.28 Quit midgey () 07.59.54 # hm.. still says unknown codec :( 08.00.31 # J-23 : still says unknown codec 08.01.42 # try mp3 08.03.20 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-131.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 08.04.42 # J-23 : says unsupported codec for output stream 08.05.05 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCFA2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.05.16 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-242-7-34.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 08.05.25 # ;/ 08.05.43 # so you need to wait for somebody who better knows ffmpeg 08.07.28 # or to ask at #ffmpeg 08.08.29 # ok 08.08.33 # thnx anyways 08.13.12 # or better still, ask in #ubuntu 08.14.31 # ok 08.14.40 # noone answers at ffmpeg :D 08.16.57 Part Corsac 08.17.19 Quit gevaerts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.21.25 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-79b3661f52f6f0d7) 08.21.26 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.21.38 Quit neddy (Remote closed the connection) 08.22.35 Quit nuonguy ("Leaving.") 08.23.07 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 08.23.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 08.24.22 Quit houbysoft (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.25.04 Join houbysoft [0] (n=houbysof@30.255.broadband5.iol.cz) 08.25.04 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4CC4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.25.14 # huh. 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09.07.45 # Are we using a forum section? 09.08.46 # we should... 09.08.48 # or add it to "Rockbox Development"? 09.09.03 # well, I don't know 09.09.22 # yeah, bung it above "getting started" 09.09.46 # the forum, not the installation section 09.10.22 # I was gonna put it before WPS/Customization 09.10.25 # As "Feature Ideas" 09.10.35 # If something's actually being _developed_ it should go on the patch tracker and be discussed there 09.10.56 # also sounds good 09.11.03 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.11.14 # And "Feature Ideas" rather than "Feature Requests" helps keep it clear it's just talk, and not to expect anything of it. 09.11.37 # isnt that section more for support? 09.11.42 # for sure 09.12.21 # with a nice sticky saying "developrs arnt nessacarily watching this section... if you see something you like the fastest way to get it done is do it yourself" 09.12.55 # Done 09.13.00 # I like it next to new ports because both are more for possible development, not for actual development 09.13.18 # New Ports should have actual development discussion though 09.13.24 # "Feature Ideas" should be a "just talk" forum. 09.13.36 # Much less "serious" in my mind, since 95% of it will probably be ignored by nearly everyone. 09.14.06 # There's going to be a _lot_ of "Genesis emulator" "Toaster Emulator" etc. 09.14.15 # I guess it will be the same as new ports where once something starts working on the port it does turn into a real dev thread 09.14.26 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 09.14.27 # It shouldn't ever turn into a dev thread 09.14.31 # Once work starts, they can post a patch. 09.14.43 # And development discussion should take place on the tracker for the patch. 09.15.00 # no... once there is a patch that is almost commitable it shuold be posted... not before 09.15.23 # depending on the activity, it might help to add a sticky for common requests there also 09.15.23 # I dunno about that. 09.15.51 # I mean, there's some plugins that have a lot of work left to be done (the infoNES port for example) but still should be up there in case someone else can work on it. 09.16.08 # It defeats the purpose of having a patch tracker if we ask people not to post to it until after the patch is "finished" or "nearly finished" 09.17.02 # well... it would be nicer if the tracker was really only used for people to put patches that are ready to commit... we would have less to look through then 09.17.25 # we could use some of the options to better signal "done" to us 09.17.28 # once its on the tracker it would get more attention from us 09.17.29 # I mean some of the fields 09.17.31 # Yeah 09.17.35 # A "done" signal would be great 09.17.54 # You can mark a task as X% complete can't you? 09.17.55 # Llorean: by "done" i mean, it works and is ready for review... 09.17.59 # JdGordon: Exactly 09.18.30 # Patches can be posted in any state, and somehow we let the author flag a patch he feels is "committable" so that someone who just wants to review nearly done ones can find them better. 09.18.31 # so prelim testing would stay with interested users in the forum thread 09.18.49 # That's useless. 09.19.00 # If you suggest that, it's just going to split things more. 09.19.33 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.19.34 # * GodEater doesn't really understand alex's issues with the command line version of rbutil 09.19.43 # surely if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to use it ? 09.19.44 # The patch tracker has a lot of organizational options a forum doesn't 09.19.54 # and what on EARTH does he mean by "braile input" ?! 09.19.58 # GodEater: Well, it's going to get more usability focus than the GUI version. 09.20.05 # But I suspect that he hasn't tried it. 09.20.15 # And I have no idea about the braille input talk. 09.20.26 # Llorean: welcome back. Have you seen this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17458.0 ? 09.20.29 # I've never heard of braille input 09.20.45 # pixelma: Yes. 09.20.51 # Haven't been able to test mine further. 09.21.06 # I see 09.21.17 # GodEater: which thread? 09.21.26 # Llorean: hmm, I guess your right.. its just there are 313 open patches atm, probably 75% are abandoned.. if they were all in the forum we wouldnt have to care about them 09.21.45 # pixelma: Once I've slept finally, I'd like to see if maybe I can track down a revision. 09.22.12 # JdGordon: Yeah, but we don't have to care about them there either, if we have a "It's nearly done" flag. 09.22.22 # markun: it's on the mailing list 09.22.28 # what would the benefits be with rockbox on sansa v2? better emulation for gameboy? 09.22.36 # the dev one I would imagine since I don't subscribe to the user one 09.22.37 # Llorean: I can definitely understand that 09.22.46 # Dangalario: a much better player 09.22.50 # Dangalario: I don't understand the question. The benefits would be the usual "you get the features of Rockbxo" 09.23.14 # yea but i mean functionality-wize 09.23.24 # pixelma: I don't know if it's good or bad that someone else has the problem. It's good, my player isn't broken. It's bad, we have another obscure bug. 09.23.27 # Dangalario: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 09.23.33 # Llorean: seems I cant edit your post.. can you add "also bare in mind we have a NODO list which you should check before possibly wasting time on a patch which we guarenteee will not be commited" 09.23.35 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-23e54b9ccff9ecfe) 09.24.07 # i had rockbox on a v1 sansa 260 but it was stolen , gameboy emulation was choppy 09.24.07 # JdGordon: Okay 09.24.07 # Llorean: yeah, unfortunately. And the Nanos again... 09.24.15 # pixelma: Maybe even the same issue manifesting differently 09.24.29 # Dangalario: what's your point? that gameboy emulation is all you miss on the v2? 09.24.44 # B4gder: and doom... 09.24.52 # Dangalario: is the question rather which of the 2 version have better hardware? 09.24.56 # just wondered if v2 hardweare is fast enough to speed up that 09.25.03 # the v2 is faster 09.25.24 # so it should play gameboy and doom better 09.25.30 # now we just need the port to happen 09.25.32 # sweet :D 09.25.33 # JdGordon: Updated 09.26.06 # much better than what I suggested :) 09.26.45 # but the sansa v2 firmware looks exactly like the v1 mayhaps its a port of sansa v1 cause its notably faster 09.26.46 # APE tags in mp3 files should go on the NODO list yeah? 09.27.10 # Dangalario: well, we don't really care about the OF 09.29.27 # JdGordon: Probably 09.29.28 # Dangalario: the software might look the same, but the hardware is different 09.29.59 # Dangalario: here's some discussion about it http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 09.30.06 # thanx 09.30.08 # pretty much like Rockbox actually 09.30.15 # looks similar on most hw 09.30.42 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.30.50 Join hasmind [0] (n=hasmind@121.127.204.108) 09.30.56 # oh 09.31.30 # Is there any chance that I could remodel the look of the rockbox.org webpage? 09.31.40 # it looks like it was designed in the 90s 09.31.55 # olympus mrobe has no colours right? 09.32.00 # hasmind: feel free to suggest new designs, yes 09.32.26 # could I make a prototype and send it in? 09.32.30 # hasmind: There's a thread in the forums somewhere where some new designs were submitted already - perhaps you should take a look at it 09.32.35 # hasmind: sure 09.32.47 # ok, I'll check it out 09.33.12 # yes, there are probably a few hints in there already that are useful to read up on first 09.33.57 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12607.0 <-- thread in question 09.37.39 # * Llorean did not realize 8977 was fixed 09.38.00 # nico_p is scary :-) 09.38.02 Quit crashd (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.02 NSplit verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.38.02 Quit vort3x (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.02 Quit Addicted (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.02 Quit Battousai (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.02 Quit HEx (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.38.24 # Those were our two critical release blockers (assuming some "related" bugs are really related) 09.38.27 # yep 09.38.45 # Dangalario: there are two M:Robes Rockbox has a port for (in different states though). The M:robe100 is quite usable already and even has a manual, this one has a monochrome, red on black display. And then there is a started port to the M:Robe500 which is not that far, this one has a colour touch screen 09.38.47 # now all we need is the RSB and a RM 09.38.56 NHeal verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.38.56 NJoin crashd [0] (i=foobar@lostnode.org) 09.38.56 NJoin vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 09.38.56 NJoin Addicted [0] (i=fnode@78.47.129.147) 09.38.56 NJoin Battousai [0] (n=bryan@gentoo/developer/battousai) 09.38.56 NJoin HEx [0] (i=HEx@83-231-209-76.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 09.39.14 # pixelma: well.. the only thing missing from hthe mr500 is audio :p 09.40.39 # no biggie then ;) 09.40.40 # JdGordon: well we have a schedule for the RSB 09.40.46 # having audio in a music player is soooooo 90s anyway 09.40.49 # And maybe we can squeeze in a tracker cleanup week soon. 09.41.42 # will the documentation cleanup week be a different one? 09.41.57 # I think we should do them separately 09.42.08 # for better focus 09.42.36 # are the same people going to do both? 09.42.55 # hopefully a lot of us will join both efforts, yes 09.42.59 # It's more a "we ask everyone to do both, and hope there's some overlap" 09.45.05 # 4 weeks untill a RSB, 2 after that to cleanups? late august release before summer ends? 09.45.15 # * petur discovers his last video made it into http://www.dailymotion.com/group/RockboxDevcon2008 09.46.59 # btw. what about the Ipod Color issue - just leave them out of the release in case the bug hasn't been fixed yet? 09.47.09 # we can do the cleanups before the RSB 09.47.28 # pixelma: Well, there's a hackish way we can fix it, if I understand correctly 09.47.33 # Not a "proper" fix, but an "it works" fix. 09.47.49 # If I wanted to get to know the rockbox firmware, where would I start? 09.48.16 # Llorean: I'm not sure whether it'll break on some other type of LCDs (with certain OF versions) etc. 09.48.23 # I think I'll need to make some sort of official document about the RSB idea and concept... 09.48.27 # hasmind: offering it a beer usually works 09.48.28 # pixelma: We talked some in the corner at DevCon and seem to agree that for the release, we can branch and pave over some of the bugs with non-ideal fixes (that don't come back into the main version) if absolutely necessary. 09.48.39 # But of course it does need tested. 09.48.50 # hasmind: Programming or Use? 09.48.52 # JdGordon: It said it only likes margaritas 09.48.58 # Programming 09.49.33 # hasmind: A good place to start is just toying with plugin creation, since you're working in a more limited context. 09.49.54 # I screwed around with chopper a few ages ago.. 09.50.06 # and had it compiled virtually 09.50.33 # (or compiled to run on the pc, as a virtual ipod...whatever) 09.54.03 # conecerning the g4 color LCD issue, wouldn't it be good to just commit the fix and watch out for complaints of users with a different LCD type instead of waiting a long time until someone with the other LCD type tests the patch? 09.54.22 # PaulJam: The fix is the wrong one, technically speaking, if I understand correctly 09.55.12 # hmm, is it? *goes to read the task again* 09.57.15 # ok I made an intial RSB page at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxSteeringBoard 09.57.49 # PaulJam: I may be wrong, I'm just relaying here. 09.57.56 # PaulJam: I think the one forum thread has more information about it than the task 09.57.58 # * preglow is reminded about the need to nominate 09.58.28 # PaulJam: I personally don't know what's wrong with the patch (if anything) 09.59.22 # B4gder: one thing that hasnt been mentioned at all (i think) is what to do if someone on the board needs to "retire" for whatever reason... 09.59.32 # ah right 09.59.47 # Llorean and I talked about that a bit too 09.59.54 # runner ups should be invited in? 09.59.55 # Llorean: if I understand correctly the fix should be in the lcd init and not in which endianness Rockbox uses for RGB 10.00.05 # yes, runner ups will then be invited as replacements 10.00.12 # sounds reasonable 10.01.15 # pixelma: The patch says it initializes the LCD to the right endianness. 10.03.53 # but it only changes defines a different "pixelformat" in the firmware/export/config file and tools/configure 10.03.59 # Aaah 10.04.03 # s/changes// 10.04.15 # Yeah that's not exactly initializing the LCD to a different mode. 10.04.17 # B4gder: sorry, but payback for the typo jokes... "who get to join" ? :) 10.05.37 # and last thing before I go for dinner... the rsb scope should be written down somewhere... 10.06.03 # or maybe the purpose is good enough 10.06.40 # Llorean, PaulJam: this is the post has some important info (me thinks) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg127519#msg127519 . I think the patch only does the "first thing to test" 10.07.20 # * pixelma shouldn't start sentences in one way and then think about another 10.09.19 # Yeah, so it'll just swap which ones aren't working. 10.10.05 # the next post of linuxstb below is quite interesting too 10.10.37 Quit hasmind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.12.16 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 10.13.29 Join hasmind1 [0] (n=hasmind@121.127.204.108) 10.15.30 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@044-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 10.17.21 # Hmm, honestly i'm not really sure i understand the whole issue anyway. if i understand it correctly the original problem were because the original issue was, that one user experienced LCD issues because he used an old apple firmware, but then the blind added code from ipl broke it for everyone using a later apple firmware. so wouldn't the correct fix be to revert the ipl changes and instead do the lcd nitialisation the same way the later apple firmw 10.17.21 # ares did (and until this is figured out tell people to update the OF if they experience problems). 10.17.44 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) 10.18.36 # maybe yes and this is how I understand it too 10.19.28 # telling people to update the OF before they can use Rockbox isn't I nice thing though 10.20.22 # s/I/a 10.20.56 # shouldnt we be initialising the LCD the way we expect it? 10.21.31 # regardless of OF or lcd type? 10.21.34 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 10.24.05 # seems that something still relies on the OF there and "someone" needs to find the init sequence and implement it for Rockbox 10.24.35 # * B4gder looks around for someone 10.27.16 Join someone` [0] (n=57b982e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-294a5aeeaad06b7b) 10.30.48 Join _Reemo [0] (n=Reemo3@powered.by.r33m0.de) 10.32.14 # anyone familiar with how to make wlan behave? :/ 10.34.24 Quit someone` ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.36.07 # hmm... rereading that post... I'm agreeing with whoever said revert the change... if someone really wants to use OF 1.0 isnt it initiing it correctly for its use? 10.38.33 # has anyone gotten blank pages in wiki today? 10.38.54 # * JdGordon has 10.39.06 # * JdGordon double checks 10.39.12 Quit Reemo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.39.23 Nick _Reemo is now known as Reemo (n=Reemo3@powered.by.r33m0.de) 10.39.35 # yep, the "tasks I watch" saved search gives me a blank page 10.39.52 # in the wiki? 10.40.00 # misread 10.40.09 # for some reason I read tracker 10.40.39 # Zagor: there is still a link to the reqeusst on the tracker quick links? Is that going to disappear also? 10.40.58 # ah, yes 10.41.33 # should we have a WebsiteIssues and TrackerIssues page in the wiki, to track these issues? 10.42.06 # JdGordon: for me, it gives me the tasks I watch 10.42.13 # done 10.42.20 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 10.42.37 # Zagor: are you the website/tracker admin 10.42.43 # * wpyh missed a ? 10.42.44 # wpyh: there is a flyspray bug about flyspray 10.42.47 # yes 10.42.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ gives me a blank page 10.42.59 # wpyh: can you paste the link? I think i remember accidently deleting it and remaking it manually which might be why its broken 10.43.13 # which bug number is it? 10.43.22 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?do=index&only_watched=1&string=&type[]=&sev[]=&due[]=&dev=&cat[]=&status[]=open&order=&sort=&percent[]=&opened=&search_in_comments=&search_for_all=&reported[]=&only_primary= 10.43.30 # wpyh: 7194 10.44.26 # thanks, I'll watch the task :) 10.50.59 # does anyone have a .cue that definatly works? 10.52.11 # Zagor: in cgi:irc, i only see "webguest??" being generated for the nick 10.53.33 # scorche|sh: as opposed to? 10.54.11 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 10.54.56 # there used to be a two digit number there 10.55.29 Quit AndyIL () 10.56.09 # Zagor: it was a randomly generated two-digit number 10.56.14 # but those ?? get replaced with a number when you connect, don't they? 10.56.26 # * petur tries 10.56.36 Join webguest71 [0] (n=d5319096@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b0777b53b97bbace) 10.56.43 # indeed 10.56.46 Quit webguest71 (Client Quit) 10.57.39 # I thought the name was fully generated before joining, but I can see this way is safer 10.57.48 # petur: same 10.58.03 # I think it has been like this for quite some time, actually :-) 10.58.29 # Actually I think not, but the discussion is pointless, it works ;) 10.58.30 # * scorche|sh shuffles off into the corner 10.59.40 # * petur thinks not, therefore isn't, and goes away to do something else 11.04.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.04.44 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 11.07.54 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 11.10.20 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0582297066d25f2d) 11.16.58 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.24.33 # Nico_P: do you see anything fishy about this cuesheet which would cause problems? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9083?getfile=16893 11.24.56 # oh, ignore that... youve commented on the task already 11.25.35 # to me it seems like the reporter misuderstands how it works 11.25.50 # but *I* might be the one misunderstanding 11.26.01 # looks like I also misunderstood how to use it 11.32.39 # I believe there is a section about it in the manual... 11.45.30 # why, oh why doesn't technology cooperate with me? 11.45.51 # * preglow considers gardening as a new hobby 11.46.07 # or brewing beer? 11.46.13 # already doing that :) 11.46.18 # oh 11.46.38 # * petur waits for the invitation to go tasting 11.47.03 # i've got approximately one bottle left of my last brew, and i've already more or less given that away 11.47.13 # but you can be sure i'll bring some along if we ever meet :) 11.47.22 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 11.48.40 # great, my cellphone rebooted, i'll just add that alongside "sd" and "wlan" to the list of technologies that don't cooperate with me 11.48.56 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.51.06 # * ze casually wonders what % of free software users/devs also homebrew and if its higher than other groups :p 11.58.26 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-057.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.00.53 Join assumedalive [0] (n=sam@dsl-58-7-190-134.wa.westnet.com.au) 12.01.17 # * preglow casually wonders what % of wlan users go completely insane from using it 12.01.31 # hi everyone, this is just a niggling issue i've had_forever_ with rockbox on 5.5g ipods - sometimes, about every 1/3 of the time, it won't turn on by pressing the menu button. occasionally it flashes a battery icon extremely briefly. it always turns on properly after holding down menu/select to reset it. ive had this issue for over a year, when i asked about it originally there wasn't a fix, i just wanted to know if that had 12.02.13 # if i didn't use screen, i'd be running naked around on the grass outside, screaming something about cabling 12.02.20 # preglow: I don't know whether insane is a symptom, but some claim to have headaches and skinburns from wlan 12.03.09 # Nico_P: so perhaps i've gone insane from the radiation and am in fact sabotaging my own wlan without remembering it? :P 12.03.23 # assumedalive: your messacge got cut after "to know if that ha" 12.03.33 # preglow: i bought a router specifically to use as a WDS client to get rid of a cable run 12.03.41 # preglow: after a couple weeks, i ended up plugging the cable into it :p 12.04.00 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 12.04.06 # been that way ever since :/ 12.04.35 # PaulJam: thanks, ill try again :-) 12.04.50 Nick knittl is now known as dfk (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 12.04.52 Nick dfk is now known as dkf (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 12.05.09 # this is just a niggling issue i've had_forever_ with rockbox on 5.5g ipods - sometimes, about every 1/3 of the time, it won't turn on by pressing the menu button. occasionally it flashes a battery icon extremely briefly. it always turns on properly after holding down menu/select to reset it. 12.05.12 #  ive had this issue for over a year, when i asked about it originally there wasn't a fix, i just wanted to know if that had changed (yes i am using the latest version) 12.05.20 Nick dkf is now known as knitt1 (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 12.05.22 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.135.111) 12.05.59 # PaulJam: just saw your bugreport (FS#9137)... sounds like the resurrection of an old bug. I'll try to repro 12.06.58 # assumedalive: I believe that's a bug in the Apple firmware so nothing Rockbox can do something about that hits more often with Rockbox since it will switch off the Ipod completely in contrast to the Apple firmware which just "sleeps" it. There are a few discussions about it in the forums 12.07.41 # isn't that an issue with the apple bootloader and rockbox can't really do anything about that? (or am i mixing up something there?) 12.08.06 # oops, i actually wanted to hit backspace. 12.08.16 # pixelma: aah ok... 12.08.36 # pixelma: i dont suppose apple have bothered releasing a newer, fixed version have they? 12.08.48 # PaulJam: at least now we are two who believe it :) 12.09.23 # assumedalive: don't think so, but have no idea (don't even have an Ipod...) 12.11.18 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-214-051.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.11.33 # on that topic... anyone else think we should think about sleeping instead of shutting down? those that dont want the battery hit can do a proper shutdown 12.17.14 # JdGordon: I think amiconn has plans about that 12.17.34 # I remember him saying it requires quite some work 12.17.38 # I would have imagined that if a sleep mode was that easy it would already be implemented? 12.18.07 # i remember watching a presentation on suspend and hibernation in the linux kernel and it looked horrific 12.18.10 # at least the 1st and 2nd gen Ipods need the suspend mode as they can't be switched off completely 12.20.34 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-129.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.20.42 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.52) 12.27.44 Part assumedalive 12.28.18 Join assumedalive [0] (n=sam@dsl-58-7-190-134.wa.westnet.com.au) 12.29.30 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.36.02 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-163-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.36.41 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.38.00 Quit knittl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.57 Quit knitt1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.49.38 Join knitt1 [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.52) 12.51.25 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-214-232.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.51.34 # jhMikeS: hey, any chance you could have a look at fixing 7402? 12.53.59 # I don't know. I could look at 7402 first. :) 12.54.22 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.55.02 # playback crashing after recording 12.55.03 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 12.55.10 Join kn1ttl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.134.34) 12.56.17 # The abort bug should have been fixed after the PCM rework. This task seems to now be another matter altogether where the audio codec driver just need to be properly reworked. 12.56.28 # <_vertic23> hey you... I (still) got a problem with my cowon iAudio X5V - it doesnot recharge any anymore - only over USB :/ I read it could be that the battery is "damaged" or in some undefined state - but it's strange that it works over USB - and the battery lasts imho even longer than before 12.57.02 # JdGordon: The H10 already got fixed in that regard since I have one and could check it. 12.57.30 # <_vertic23> have you any experience with that? all posts in the forum say that my battery is damaged... I don't think so 12.57.37 # oh, so it might be closable? 12.57.44 # or does each target need seperate fixing? 12.58.14 # JdGordon: For the remaining issue: HINT - the audio driver simply shuts all the power down on the chip when closing recording 12.58.35 # e200 works fine 12.58.43 # different codec 12.59.29 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-159.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.59.33 # _vertic23: doesn't sound like a broken battery to me either then 12.59.43 # The problem is in the wolfson-with-ADC drivers except wm8731 13.01.36 # afaict any task relating to aborts after recording should be closed and the remaing issue opened separately 13.01.55 Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 13.01.59 Quit ch4os_ (Client Quit) 13.02.44 Join LTourist [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-102-46.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.02.58 # hi there :) 13.03.17 # hi LTourist 13.04.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.04.29 # LTourist: we were able to change the firmware and flash it, but so far my test code didn't work (should flash the backlight and make piezo clicks) 13.04.51 # hi markun 13.05.08 # did you take a look at the code? 13.05.19 # well, that's a such a good news :) 13.05.33 # I'm looking at it right now... :) 13.05.49 # "test code didn't work" 13.06.07 # so could have been better news 13.06.25 # yeah that for sure 13.06.51 # do you have the M6SL or SP? 13.07.19 # I had a m6sp, before a stupid guy steel it. 13.07.51 # I search for a sp on internet, but I can't find a brand new one for sell 13.08.18 # so I bought a sl, which I hope should arrive in the next week 13.09.09 Quit knitt1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.09.13 # I've tried to make the ui sim this morning, but a mysterious reason, it wan't compile anymore since yersterday... 13.09.33 # I don't think it compiles right now 13.09.46 # I can try to fix it when I get back home 13.10.11 # you can try to compile the bootloader, which now just gives a small test program 13.10.44 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.10.59 # ok 13.11.04 # it isn't accepted by the meizu as a valid firmware file though, but you can included it in the official firmware 13.11.38 # LTourist: which OS are you using? 13.12.19 # right now, I'm on ubuntu 7.10, should become 8.07 in few days, when I'm get the courage for clicking on "update" ^^ 13.12.37 # you can use the 'dd' tool to merge the firmwares then 13.12.39 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.12.44 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 13.12.48 # if I get something working I can post some instructions 13.12.55 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 13.14.03 # well, I haven't a meizu for now, so that's not a big deal at the moment 13.14.11 # true :) 13.14.29 # is there is any information about this tool in the wiki? 13.14.48 Nick kn1ttl is now known as knittl (n=knittl@193.170.134.34) 13.15.31 # actually, I can't compile any sim anymore 13.15.35 # LTourist: no, 'dd' is a normal unix tool 13.16.54 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.17.43 # well, I have a dd tool installed, wich seems to be a file manipulating tool 13.18.27 # jhMikeS: oy, didn't you write most of the pp sd card driver? 13.19.07 # preglow: dan_a, toni1 mostly. I just perfected the card switching and did some asm 13.19.14 # now, if there was a way to trigger a new build round for the manuals... I'm just curious whether really all build now, I tested a lot but am not sure if I overlooked something 13.20.28 # jhMikeS: right, then 13.21.28 # barrywardell too? 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I haven't heard much of what's going on with that, and I don't know if he did anything on it during DevCon. 15.14.05 Join JdGordon|phone [0] (n=zsirc@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.15.38 # LambdaCalculus37: I think he did. He had it with him and I think he played around with it 15.18.08 # it displays the menus but doesn't play music, right? 15.18.33 # Right. 15.19.04 # And the install method is very brutal at this point, since you have to remove the drive and format it. 15.19.20 Quit krazykit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.20.13 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-253-243.dsl.telepac.pt) 15.20.52 # JdGordon, JdGordon|phone: I have prepared a sync'd v3 of the patch 15.24.19 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-251-247-82.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 15.30.49 Quit JdGordon|phone (Remote closed the connection) 15.38.20 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.39.21 Quit CaptainKewl (Remote closed the connection) 15.40.55 Part toffe82 15.43.57 # kugel: did you read the manual for rockblox1d ? 15.44.32 Quit knittl (Remote closed the connection) 15.44.40 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.52) 15.46.17 # gevaerts_: yea 15.46.35 # gevaerts_: but pressing select makes hardly a difference 15.47.30 # * gevaerts_ is happy. Someone read the bit of manual he wrote/stole :) 15.48.03 # kugel: which player ? Maybe I made a mistake when documenting the buttons 15.48.30 # gevaerts_: e200 15.49.16 # gevaerts_: I played tetris1d on the webpage, and there it was noticeably faster than without pressing the button to move the brick faster 15.54.45 # linuxstb_: Can you check if checkwps is still working? I get many errors 15.56.14 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.219) 15.56.55 # linuxstb_: 2 errors due to removing the lcd margins, 2 errors due to changing screens[].width/.height to .lcdheight/.lcd 15.57.12 # .lcdwidth 15.57.27 # but many errors more 16.02.55 Quit agaffney (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.02.58 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 16.03.12 # Nico_P: I sort of stopped working on the ZVM port by lack of interest 16.03.37 # but now that I've discovered a part of the Zen File System is documented, I might do a bit this summer 16.03.52 Join rasher [50] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 16.03.57 # mcuelenaere: you're so close! 16.03.59 # Who's the twiki admin again? 16.04.23 # Nico_P: yes, but I really hate RE and there's a lot to do with this port 16.04.36 # especially for the PIC cpu which controls the keys 16.04.48 # for now, it seems those values changes almost randomly 16.05.36 # + I broke my power connector and need to find a way how to solder it back on 16.05.45 Join agaffney [0] (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) 16.05.52 # mcuelenaere: PIC as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller ? 16.06.10 # yep, it's a PIC18xx 16.06.19 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 16.06.23 # rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZVMPort 16.06.49 # Microchip PIC18LF4320 16.07.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort#How_internals_are_connected -> see PIC 16.10.19 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.11.07 # Zagor, Bagder: Why is my majorchanges script getting a 403 on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges?raw=on ? Are you doing some sort of user-agent sniffing/banning? 16.11.24 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 16.11.29 # rasher: could it be related to the new TWiki version? 16.13.27 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.13.31 # Probably 16.13.55 # viewing the raw looks different than before - the content is in some sort of codebox at a set height which you have to scroll 16.15.59 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.18 # That's not an issue (yet) - right now my server's not even allowed to download the page 16.20.23 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 16.25.44 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.25.58 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 16.26.20 Quit knittl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.26.30 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.52) 16.27.29 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@c75-109-209-25.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) 16.28.02 # does anyone care about debug builds being broken? (FS#6069) 16.29.21 # ? 16.29.26 Quit knittl (Remote closed the connection) 16.30.12 Join knittl [0] (n=knittl@193.170.135.52) 16.31.39 Part knittl ("-- visit http://myftphp.sf.net") 16.32.45 # amiconn: the MIN()/MAX() stuff? yeah.. probably.. I just wanted to get a working fix in though 16.32.53 # it should be cleaned up 16.33.38 # has anyone got a gigabeat F ? 16.38.12 Part tmcarr 16.38.18 # i have a feature request.. there should be a demo app that just displays the Rockbox logo and keeps the backlight on ... to make product photography easier 16.38.26 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.38.42 # there is 16.38.56 # JdGordon: it moves the logo around tho 16.39.11 # unless i missed it 16.39.13 # You could use the credits plugin 16.39.37 # Although I don't remember if that skips to the credits automatically 16.40.15 # logo.rock can be made to stop the logo moving 16.40.25 # Oh, that it can! 16.40.28 # I should know. 16.40.30 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-86-16.vif.net) 16.40.31 # oh 16.40.32 # * JdGordon didnt know that untill now 16.40.45 # But it's not full-width, I'll give you that 16.41.08 # Would it not be reasonable if the credits screen waited for input before jumping to credits anyway? 16.41.20 # well i got my photo anyway.. (as pasted before) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pengo-au/2627240261/ .. i'd try to put it on the wiki but.. i'm not sure what the point would be 16.42.30 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008061015]") 16.45.12 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3156.gwdg.de) 16.46.00 # pengo: nice :) 16.46.11 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.52) 16.47.02 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7D6A.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.48.22 # "Rockbox... Smashing Good Time!" :P 16.49.23 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 16.55.32 # JdGordon: The part before the || can go away. The MIN()/MAX() part always becomes true before that. 16.57.01 Quit assumedalive ("Leaving.") 16.57.31 Quit enterusername (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.03.40 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.04.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.05.35 # Nico_P: just read that you weren't able to reproduce FS#9137. with what audio format did you try? 17.06.31 # PaulJam: it was MP3 17.08.51 # ok, i'm currently trying with mp3 (but it takes ages) 17.09.31 # do you consistently get it with FLAC? 17.11.16 # pixelma: If you're around I wouldn't mind a quick lesson on svn keywords so you don't have to clean up my mistakes again... 17.12.17 # turns out i get it with mp3 too (the track just skipped 40 sec too early). i used flac because there i have more songs with the needed filesizes. 17.13.04 # I wonder if this could be H300 specific 17.13.59 # Nico_P: i can reproduce it maybe 80% of the time. btw, did you try on tarrget or uisim? 17.14.18 # PaulJam: on target, iPod 5.5G 17.17.10 Part pengo 17.17.35 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@dhcp-NHD-quar-220.tamu.edu) 17.17.53 Part tmcarr 17.24.11 # Nico_P: how big were the files you used for reproduction? 17.25.00 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-131.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 17.25.27 # PaulJam: I used one that was 65 MB (my buffer is 61 MB) 17.32.15 # hmm. i have no idea what you could have done differently :( 17.33.13 # maybe I haven't followed the recipe closely enough... I'll try again 17.33.27 # PaulJam: what happens when you do it in the sim? 17.34.14 # MarcGuay: am around now, though I'm not the most knowledgable person about it either but I can try 17.36.00 # the sim behaves pretty much like the target, either it skips or it gives noise. (i mainly used the uisim) 17.37.56 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 17.40.47 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 17.40.55 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 17.41.24 # Bagder: isn't it possible to use the rockbox svn over HTTP? 17.41.43 # not that I know. 17.41.48 # Nico_P: yes it is 17.41.54 # ah sorry :) 17.42.06 # GodEater: really? I just tried and couldn't 17.42.08 # it greatly depends on if you're behind a proxy or not 17.42.12 # crap 17.42.23 # git passed through 17.42.24 # and whether or not the proxy supports a bunch of weird HTTP methods 17.42.46 # if you're NOT behind a proxy, it's pretty straightforward I think, but the svn server needs to allow the HTTP requests 17.43.16 # "Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/rockbox/trunk'" 17.43.36 # yeah, that'll be an issue 17.43.45 # PROPFIND is one of those weird HTTP methods that's required 17.45.02 # Nico_P: I looked at this ages ago before I ever got my SSH tunnel working 17.45.16 # but the proxy here doesn't even understand PROPFIND, much less pass it through 17.45.16 # damn damn damn 17.45.33 # Nico_P: I feel your pain :( 17.45.48 # * GodEater has been reduced to using the tarball for keeping up to date 17.45.57 # and of course there's no way to commit back 17.46.29 # I managed to get git to clone my repo at repo.or.cz (it took a while at 15 KB/s, but worked) 17.46.32 # GodEater: Not even at home? 17.46.47 # LambdaCalculus37: of course at home - but I spend very little time there compared to work 17.46.55 # for instance, I have a hot dinner date tonight ;) 17.46.57 # but I have no means of keeping that repo up to date now 17.46.58 # so I won't be there 17.47.18 # Nico_P: well you could give someone else push rights to it 17.47.27 # * Nico_P has no more internet access at home :( 17.47.29 # and then they could set up a cron to keep it up to date 17.47.32 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.47.46 # GodEater: maybe I'll need to do that, yes 17.47.48 # or someone could get that proper git mirror of our svn tree going ;) 17.47.56 # but I think I'll try the tunnel trick 17.48.06 # it's pretty simple once you get it going 17.48.08 # there was talk about that at devcon 17.48.11 # I have a pretty comprehensive guide 17.48.12 # :) 17.48.30 # I think Bagder plans on doing it 17.48.48 # it just means someone writing the svn post commit hook really doesn't it ? 17.48.57 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279530223.dsl.bell.ca) 17.49.05 # yeah, I think that's it 17.50.03 # Nico_P: http://godeater.cream.org/vpn.html 17.51.04 # GodEater: that will come in handy, thanks 17.51.12 Join MystaWright [0] (n=617655d9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f091a2fc826eb08c) 17.51.49 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 17.51.49 # Nico_P: it's a great solution, it's just a shame that I can't use it anymore because the security people here are so good at their jobs they monitor bloody everything =/ 17.52.09 # * Nico_P hopes the admins here won't be too strict 17.52.16 Quit MystaWright (Client Quit) 17.52.33 # well before they act strict, they have to notice what you're doing ;) 17.53.18 # JdGordon: still around? I guess a should just flyspray it though... 17.53.58 # GodEater: most frustrating is that I have a PC at home (Paris) that could act as a server, but I have no means of contacting it 17.54.29 # Nico_P: well like I say, I have most of this set up at home 17.54.39 # I just need to twiddle with it to get you working from there 17.54.51 # on that note, I need to get going. Never does to keep a lady waiting.... 17.54.55 # later all! 17.54.55 # GodEater: I'd be very thankful :) 17.55.00 # later :) 17.55.11 # GodEater: Bye! 17.55.28 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3051.gwdg.de) 17.55.59 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.56.36 Part BigBambi 18.01.05 # * Nico_P leaves... back tomorrow 18.01.27 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.03.50 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 18.06.17 Join EleminoP [0] (n=EleminoP@68-31-232-147.area4.spcsdns.net) 18.07.33 Part EleminoP 18.08.00 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.08.22 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 18.14.07 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.16.03 # pixelma: Okay, Nano's fairly charged, built Rockbox locally, used a different cable, still ATA errors, so I'm now going to see if I can track it down. 18.18.16 # Llorean: I have a Nano. Which bug was it? (I faintly recall something about ATA -11 errors) 18.18.30 # wpyh: Current builds give ATA -11 error on some Nanos. 18.18.43 # when did it start? 18.18.51 # That's what I'm trying to determine 18.19.01 # ah 18.19.10 # I'm using r17705M, no errors 18.19.31 # Until we know if yours has that error with a current build, that information isn't useful 18.19.34 # "some Nanos." 18.19.48 # * wpyh thought there is only one hardware for nanos 18.20.07 # wpyh: Doesn't always mean every single Nano works the same, unfortunately 18.20.15 # Llorean: do you remember which build there was on before? 18.20.24 # pixelma: no idea 18.20.26 Quit n1s () 18.20.30 # 19750 fails, 19500 passes though 18.20.45 # er 17750 18.20.48 # 17500 18.21.02 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.21.34 # I believe it was some 17200-ish... ok, then this information isn't helpful ;) 18.22.09 # I'll just binchop until I hit a number. 18.24.07 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.27.38 # hmm. How can I distinguish the various m200 versions? Did I miss something at the m200 wiki page? 18.28.03 # bluebrother: OF version, I think. 18.28.04 # bluebrother: The only way is internally, really. 18.28.32 # Llorean: The OF version is not entirely accurate in the m200's case. 18.28.34 # OF version is 2.2.3E. So I guess that's a v1? 18.28.45 # Yes, that's a TCC-based. 18.28.51 # So you're in luck. 18.29.13 # Mine was 2.2.5A, but the mainboard was a "revision 1". 18.29.26 # seems I need a rather small screwdriver to open that thing up. Need to check if I have something around here ... 18.29.37 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 18.30.41 Quit obo ("bye") 18.32.17 # * Llorean bets it's 17721 18.32.38 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 18.33.16 # my nano works even with the latest build 18.33.54 # LambdaCalculus37: anything I should look for before cracking it open? 18.34.22 # pixelma: It's 17721, confirmed. 18.34.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureRequests could use some updating if anyone's got the time. 18.39.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C3F.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.39.17 # Llorean: interesting 18.41.03 # that's the pcf init 18.41.11 # bluebrother: A guitar pick or something to seperate the upper and lower halves, that's about it. 18.41.50 # Llorean: could you please revert the change and try the new inits one by one, see which one caused the ata error? 18.42.30 # * wpyh wonders if it's IOREGC 18.42.42 # bluebrother: The hardware revision should be somewhere on the board, towards where the buttons are. 18.42.57 # * wpyh realizes that IOREGC is the only one that really changed :p 18.43.04 # ok. Still struggling to get this thing open 18.43.25 # You should also see a small daughterboard with the NAND on it. Can you also see if there's a second chip on said board when you open it? 18.46.28 # ok, some more excessive use of force helped. I can see the daugtherboard. 18.46.36 Join wanze [0] (i=wanze@unaffiliated/wanze) 18.46.56 # Revision 2.0 (SLC) 18.47.47 # Looks like you have one that accesses the NAND directly. 18.47.57 Join sk8r_Grl [0] (i=ac84e1db@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c27b0c8f7da44372) 18.48.09 # There's a Revision 3 that uses Tri-Flash, according to shotofadds. 18.48.33 # But right now, scorche has my m240, which is going to go to shotofadds, and in return, I get his m230. 18.48.50 # ok. Now for disconnecting the Nand. It that secured in any way? 18.49.36 # any idea where I might get iPod 5G themes? 18.49.43 # No, not really. Just pry it up, but *gently*! It's very easy to snap some of the plastic off of the connector. 18.49.52 Part sk8r_Grl 18.50.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g 18.50.15 # that's what I'm afraid of -- and it's connected rather firmly 18.50.46 Join borges [0] (n=bruges@e178038044.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.50.55 # wanze: http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 18.51.05 # bluebrother: If you break the plastic off the connector, it's not going to ruin the connector, but it will make it a little easier for it to come off. 18.51.13 # thanks both 18.51.14 Quit borges (Remote closed the connection) 18.51.38 # LambdaCalculus37, why are there themes on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g when it at http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 says that they've been removed? 18.52.11 # Copyright. 18.52.25 # 18.52.28 # Copyright? 18.52.56 # oh, it isn't the same site 18.53.50 # quote from that page: "iPod 5G themes, temporarily removed due to bandwidth restrictions" 18.55.23 # hmm. Seems after removing the NAND it won't come up anymore. 18.55.24 # Yes, "copyright" doesn't seem like the answer 18.56.07 # shouldn't it go to pre-boot mode? 18.56.33 Join captainkewl [0] (i=2669ecc2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-30c242900244f48e) 18.56.35 # bluebrother: Right now, that's about the only way we know how to enter USB boot mode. 18.56.52 # you're talking about two separate issues. There are differences between the themes hosted at the two sites due to copyright concerns, there is also the secondary issue of rockbox-themes bandwidth consumption necessitating the mirroring of the 5th gen iPod themes. 18.56.57 # Compile an m200 bootloader, and you can upload it with tcctool. 18.57.34 # tcctool doesn't recognize the player. Do I need to do something special? I just reconnected USB and battery. 18.58.38 # bluebrother: You don't need the battery. 18.59.00 # If you connect it to USB, it may appear that nothing is happening, but that's USB boot mode. 18.59.18 # ok. Shouldn't I see a new device with lsusb? 18.59.46 # Yes. Do you see one? 19.00.08 # no 19.00.33 # bluebrother: What distro are you using? Just curious. 19.00.40 # Fedora 8. 19.00.42 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.00.46 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 19.00.47 # Llorean: could that be a hint where the differences in "problematic" or at least potentionally problematic Nanos and perfectly working ones lie? 19.01.07 # pixelma: Mine wasn't problematic previously. 19.01.17 # bluebrother: What does dmesg say? 19.01.20 # It may be a hint, but I don't know what it means yet. :) 19.02.04 Quit LTourist () 19.02.35 # nothing. Last entry was me replugging the mouse :( 19.02.54 # * pixelma steals an "ion" from her last sentence 19.02.55 # Okay, remove the m200 from USB. 19.03.28 # * LambdaCalculus37 hopes his little trick works... 19.03.39 Join Strogg [0] (n=jean@unaffiliated/strogg) 19.03.43 # 'lo lo 19.04.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.04.12 # ok, done. 19.04.37 # bluebrother: Get the command for tcctool ready... "tcctool -d c100 ", but don't hit enter just yet. Connect the m200 again, count to five, then hit enter. 19.04.57 Join LTourist [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-102-46.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.05.36 # doesn't work 19.05.41 # Damn. :( 19.05.41 # I'm following along with the dev docs on the site and trying to build gcc, but it's dieing with an error.. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong here? 19.05.46 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../include/ansidecl.h', needed by `regex.o'. Stop. 19.06.21 # Strogg: using rockboxdev.sh ? 19.06.22 # the file is in the gcc/include dir.. it's just that the path it thinks it's at is wrong. but I'm not sure where I'm supposed to fix it.. the makefile for gcc is rather ugly 19.06.43 # BigBambi: hrmm no.. I was following along with http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 19.07.00 # I'd just use the nice script that builds all the cross compilers for you along with required patches 19.07.25 # bluebrother: That's really strange that Fedora's not seeing the m200 in USB boot mode. :/ 19.07.38 # Strogg: tools/rockboxdev.sh 19.07.38 # BigBambi: hrmm ok.. I'll give that a shot 19.07.42 # It is a damn site easier 19.07.53 # *sight 19.10.10 Quit LTourist () 19.10.11 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 19.11.10 # LambdaCalculus37: you think it's related to the distro? Would really surprise me 19.11.54 # bluebrother: If it is, all I can say on that is "Dayum!" 19.12.09 Join MTee [0] (n=mtarek16@41.233.149.109) 19.12.11 # I'm running Kubuntu here, and tcctool works for me. 19.12.33 # strange. I could try using a live CD or so later. Or maybe even on windows. 19.13.07 # bluebrother: Okay. Let me know how it goes. 19.14.00 # hrmm I grabbed the rockbox source from the repo and looking at the rockboxdev script.. is builddir one of the vars I need to define? it's not listed at the top and the script is trying to use it before it's defined anywhere else. 19.14.24 # I'm guessing I have ot add a builddir="/home/jean/rockbox/build" at the top? 19.14.30 # Strogg: No 19.14.47 # Strogg: You don't need to change the script at all, unless you want to change where it puts things 19.15.00 # In which so, you'll need to find where it defines them 19.15.14 # You don't add anything, but if you so wish, you can change it 19.16.03 # Ok.. but when I run it, it says "Build dir: (edit script to change dir)" 19.16.28 Join LTourist [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-102-46.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.16.29 # I've never actually looked i n it, I just ran it and it did it's thing 19.16.38 # Are you running it as root (required) 19.17.54 # hrmm not running as root.. I was going to install it into my home directory 19.18.16 # * Strogg tries that 19.19.03 # well, as I said I've never looked in it, and I'm sure you could change destinations to build where you want. I just ran it as root and it just worked (TM) :) 19.19.18 # oh well.. I'll run it and just see if it works. hehe 19.20.03 # Strogg: did you edit the script? 19.20.21 # n1s: yeah, and I set the 3 vars at the top 19.20.40 # dlwhere, prefix, and .... hrmm err.. wait a sec. 19.20.50 # because from the message you got it seems the builddir var is empty (or just a space) 19.20.51 # dlwhere, prefix and dlwhere? 19.21.03 # * Strogg checks if that's his copy or the svn copy 19.21.10 # the second dlwhere should be a builddir 19.21.13 # yeah 19.21.45 # F.. how the hell did I do that. 19.21.54 # ok.. sorry. that was really lame. hehe 19.22.26 # I suspect I cut and pasted a line and forgot to change the var.. lame.. 19.22.50 # hehe :) 19.23.16 # Ok.. there we go.. script is running 19.23.23 # man.. all this for a go file reader.. hehe 19.28.57 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.32.35 Quit nnakiimjj (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.14 Join mnakiifma [0] (i=0@86.122.116.44) 19.38.36 Join domonoky1 [0] (n=Domonoky@e176245060.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.40.33 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D467.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.40.56 Join arohtar [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.41.02 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 19.41.27 Quit BigBambi (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 NSplit verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.41.27 Quit domonoky (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit faemir (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit petur (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit tvelocity (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit KrPD (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit courtc (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit JdGordon (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit cpbills_ (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.27 Quit Zom (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.42.23 NHeal verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.42.23 NJoin courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 19.43.07 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 19.44.19 Join cpbills [0] (i=fool@bmic.net) 19.44.19 NJoin BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.44.19 NJoin domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.44.19 NJoin faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 19.44.19 NJoin petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.44.19 NJoin tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4424828.home.otenet.gr) 19.44.19 NJoin KrPD [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 19.44.19 NJoin JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 19.44.19 NJoin cpbills_ [0] (i=fool@bmic.net) 19.44.26 Quit cpbills_ (Connection reset by peer) 19.44.37 Quit domonoky (Connection reset by peer) 19.45.34 Quit captainkewl ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.45.51 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 19.48.05 Quit petur (Connection timed out) 19.53.30 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 19.55.38 Quit faemir (Connection timed out) 19.55.45 Quit JdGordon (No route to host) 19.57.10 Join atrus_ [0] (n=atrus@S0106001ee57a9819.ed.shawcable.net) 19.58.00 Nick atrus_ is now known as atrus (n=atrus@S0106001ee57a9819.ed.shawcable.net) 20.00.16 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-e7c61f16b8625dc2) 20.00.38 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 20.01.41 # Bagder: What do we want to do about 3.0? I think a good plan might be to let the steering board vote finish first. During that time do at least a tracker cleanup week. The freeze can be sometime in August unless new blockers show up, and documentation cleanup can come concurrently (or even after we have a 3.0 binary if necessary). 20.02.00 # Mainly I'd just like to see a 3.0 get out the door before it gets bogged down again by something. 20.02.23 # like the new Nano bug o.O 20.02.50 # pixelma: The new nano-bug is easy to fix, just revert the PCF change. It's another non-ideal fix, but it'll wrok. 20.02.51 # work 20.02.53 # * pixelma hopes for a quick fix though 20.03.11 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 20.05.06 # Llorean: I think that sounds like a fine 3.0-plan 20.06.30 # How do I leave the Text editor on my iPod 5g? 20.07.29 # wanze: I don't know, but it ought to be in the manual 20.08.36 # found it, thanks ): 20.08.37 # :) 20.10.08 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.10.14 # some nice deals here for anyone in the UK/Europe looking to buy a Cowon D2... http://svp.co.uk/searchresults.php?sSrch=cowon%20d2 20.11.59 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.12.17 # LambdaCalculus37: just tried on windows and F9live -- no usb device detected :( 20.12.31 # there is a small battery on the PCB, do you think I should try removing that? 20.12.43 # No, it shouldn't affect anything. 20.12.51 # Try a Debian-based distro. 20.13.38 # * bluebrother wonders why a debian-based distro should be better and goes searching for a knoppix cd 20.13.54 Quit Zagor ("Leaving") 20.14.09 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (i=SETH_HIK@host-126-183-3-96.midco.net) 20.14.27 # hi whats the off topic rockbox irc channel please 20.14.31 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.14.34 # bluebrother: I think we should talk to linuxstb about why tcctool is crapping out on other distros, if that is indeed the case. 20.14.44 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 20.14.55 # stay on topic 20.15.19 # that is ontopic 20.15.26 # didnt sound like it 20.15.33 # yes, it did 20.15.34 # where do we use tcctool in rockbox 20.15.36 # the interesting thing is that my box even doesn't see a new usb device. At least that should happen, shouldn't it? 20.15.41 # SETH_HIKARU: You either shut up and behave, or your ass is out of the channel. 20.15.55 # SETH_HIKARU: we use tcctool to play with telechips devices 20.16.19 # bluebrother: Yeah; a new device should be seen, 20.16.27 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.16.32 # and may i ask what telechip devices are or is that off topic and i should just go look it up on wikipedia or google 20.16.33 # * bluebrother remembers his ignore list :) 20.16.46 # SETH_HIKARU: the latter 20.16.50 # ok 20.16.50 # SETH_HIKARU: telechips is a korean chip maker 20.16.57 # was some guy bitching at me? Haven't noticed anything ;-) 20.17.05 # no 20.17.20 # but someone was bithcing at me 20.17.27 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3EA0B.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.17.44 # SETH_HIKARU: hush about it...you are already on your last warning 20.18.06 # Llorean: just read about reverting the pcf-patch to get rid of the nano ATA-error... 20.18.23 # Llorean: are you talking of r17721? 20.19.28 # Buschel: I sent you an email about it. 20.19.34 # Bagder: thanks for the genlang tip 20.19.37 # Llorean: Which PCF change are you talking about? 20.19.40 # Some iPod Nanos get ATA -11 errors from revision 17721, 17720 works fine 20.19.46 # amiconn: revision 17721 20.19.47 # SETH_HIKARU: that's definitely not true (I can read logs ;-) 20.19.51 # rasher: yes, the new twiki rejects connections from a list of useragents, including "" 20.19.57 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eefd39@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53534962363f71be) 20.20.21 # it seems a bit strict 20.20.29 # Zagor: I'd be sending PHP/5.something I believe. Apparently that's blocked as well. 20.20.37 # Now I'm sending "Firefox", which works. 20.20.57 # Llorean: no email... could you track it down to an explicit register? 20.21.20 # Zagor: Fyi, we now swapped 2 of the ceiling tiles for 2 from one of our storage rooms. Tomorrow I'll see what I can do about the remaining light brown speckles 20.21.20 # * Buschel wanted to say he didn't receive any mail yet 20.21.22 # Buschel: I used your email from the patch tracker. 20.21.28 # Which may be a fake, I dunno 20.21.47 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.22.15 # rasher: afaik you sent nothing. in fact I looked at those reject messages and wonder who that was :-) neither curl nor wget is rejected, it's mostly to stop stuff like LinkWalker etc from "caching" pages in wiki (and thus triggering edits and whatnot) 20.22.30 # amiconn: soda explosion or something interesting? ;) 20.22.31 Join DieselHopper [0] (n=43a370cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b5cc12ce6f74ce4a) 20.22.31 # I have no experience with ipods, but looking at the patch it seems only PCF5060X-IOREGC is affected 20.22.41 # Anyone here that can help me please? 20.22.59 # Ask a question 20.23.00 # only if you dare to ask a question ;-) 20.23.02 # Llorean: the email is correct 20.23.04 Part SETH_HIKARU 20.23.14 # I'm getting the Can't load rockbox.ipod: error 20.23.18 # Zagor: Weird, I simply use php's file_get_contents() - maybe it's my host's patched PHP that acts weird. Anyway, mystery solved and fixed. 20.23.26 # All the suggested methods aren't doing a thing 20.23.43 # betrik: IOREGC was changed for ipod video, but not for nano. 3.0V is nano's default 20.24.02 # amiconn: ah, good idea with the swap. 20.24.04 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3051.gwdg.de) 20.24.17 # Any ideas? 20.25.28 # DieselHopper: yes, you didn't extract the zip properly 20.25.42 # * amiconn thought gcc does analyze expressions for potential simplification 20.26.00 # Buschel, oh, and an #if was changed so nano uses the same PCF settings as video 20.26.20 # Llorean/betrik: the only change for nano should be D1REGC1 (which was tested as used for codec). maybe D1REGC influences some other stuff? 20.26.21 # Looks like it wasn't clever enough to find that simplification I committed 20.26.33 # Well here's what I did, I loaded the .rockbox file onto my iPod perfectly. Everything was working fine, and then I wanted a theme so I delete my old .rockbox file and replaced it with the theme .rockbox file and then I loaded the bootloader and installed it and now it gives me the error. 20.26.40 # DieselHopper: I really don't understand what you mean by "all suggested methods". 20.26.46 # DieselHopper: .rockbox is not a file 20.26.54 # errr ... you did *what*? 20.27.00 # Buschel: I'm just about to build one with that register reverted 20.27.10 # * bluebrother strongly suggests using Rockbox Utility 20.27.13 # Llorean: perfect 20.27.26 # Rockbox Utility? 20.27.30 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-142.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 20.27.34 # DieselHopper: well, you deleted your Rockbox build. Therefore it won't work. 20.27.46 # yeah, that's even linked from the build download page. 20.27.52 # Well my computer says that there is no iPod connected, nor does iTunes. 20.28.11 # nor does bootloader 20.28.29 # the bootloader does not connect to the internet, a download page or Itunes. 20.28.40 # Buschel: I should use 0xef as per the comment, or 0xf5 as per the old value? 20.28.40 # I know this 20.28.47 # go into emergency disc mode and reinstall a Rockbox build. The FAQ tells you how to do this 20.29.00 # page link? 20.29.30 # Llorean: 0xf5 was set in svn before this change 20.29.52 # The comment says 0xef is the OF value though. 20.29.58 # But I'll use f5 then 20.30.02 # Buschel: i was wondering, did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14524.msg128220#msg128220 ? the user seems to get an error on boot with a CF card since one of your other power saving commits. 20.30.03 # IpodFAQ 20.30.26 # Is this on a website?> 20.30.32 # *-> 20.30.38 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (i=SETH_HIK@host-126-183-3-96.midco.net) 20.30.47 # Buschel, r17721 definitely changes more than just D1REGC1 for the nano 20.30.51 # you know about the Rockbox website? *The* site with loads of information about Rockbox? 20.31.04 # Yeah am I clicking on Manual? 20.31.16 # Llorean: and of course i've overseen another thing -> D3REGC1 (tested as LCD power supply) -> next candidate. was switched from 0xf5 (3.0V) to 0xf1 (2.6V) 20.31.16 # Downloads, Installer, Forums, they even have Documentation and a Manual! 20.31.29 # Buschel: just saying "tested" on one or two Nanos isn't always enough. There seem to be tiny differences between hardware 20.31.36 # it even is really easy to find: just type www.rockbox.org in your browser and enjoy! 20.31.37 # Well let me know if you see a page called IpodFAQ, cause I sure don't. :P 20.31.49 # betrik: the changes regarding CPU voltage are not relevant as the second voltage is not used 20.32.00 # that page is in the wiki, and it's name is IpodFAQ. But it's also linked from the manual IIRC 20.32.12 # pixelma: yes, seems so :/ 20.32.14 # Alright, thank you. 20.32.56 # anyway, you can simply follow the "Documentation index" from the left side navigation. If you scroll down a bit on that page you'll even get presented ... *drumrolls* 20.32.57 # Buschel: Testing that one now 20.33.10 # a *whole* section with "FAQs" heading! 20.33.12 # Buschel: D1REGC1 didn't work. 20.33.34 # Phew, finally. 20.33.36 # isn't that impressive? Amazing? Astonishing? 20.33.42 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 20.33.48 # * bluebrother should turn of his sarcastic mode 20.33.49 # Or even...Annoying? 20.33.50 # Llorean: ok 20.34.04 # Buschel: D3REGC1 it is. 20.34.24 # Llorean: good :) 20.34.36 # No! It's ... *great*! 20.34.46 # \o/ 20.34.46 # Buschel: Is it safe to just test every value between f1 and f5 to see if we can still keep it a little lower, or does it need set increments? 20.35.19 # well, *please* educate yourself at least a bit before asking basic questions. It's kinda boring to indicate stuff that's not even hidden in any way and _really_ easy to find 20.35.22 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.35.43 # these are real people in this channel and they have a RL too. Besides some stuff to work on for Rockbox of course ... 20.36.20 # hmm, i would prefer to #ifdef this section and use the default for now. the setting for the video didn't show any problems since the power change for the 5G 20.36.45 # Buschel: Okay. I'm happy with any fix, really. :) 20.36.47 # Sorry I figured there was a reason for an IRC, and that people would like to be of a service to others, as apposed to continuesly writing sarcastic statements....buuuut I guess I was wrong. 20.37.04 # Llorean: like -> nano = 0xf5, video = 0xf1 20.37.45 # people do help others, but we also expect at least some basic work done by you. We're not around for spoon-feeding others. 20.37.56 # Buschel: Makes sense to me. 20.38.02 # and if it's really that hard to find the FAQ ... (well, it's called FAQ for a reason!) 20.38.06 # i'll submit it tomorrow morning (if noone wants to fix it now) 20.38.21 # Ahh I see, I guess you are right, almost linking me to a page was so much effort. : P 20.38.30 # * Buschel has no svn access now 20.38.46 # DieselHopper: You have no idea how annoying it is to do for many people each day because they can't be bothered to search 20.38.56 # Buschel: I'd rather let you do it, just to be safe. 20.39.24 # Llorean: ok 20.39.40 # I just didn't know where a FAQ page was, I didn't know if he meant the Manual or if it was in Forums, or the Wiki. That's all I wanted to know, it's really not that much trouble since he's so willing to spend time writing about why he shouldn't have to. 20.39.40 # Llorean: btw, is there any FS-entry about this bug? 20.39.51 # Buschel: Hadn't entered one yet, since I was going to just contact you directly 20.40.05 # Pixelma found it on my Nano at devcon, and only one or two people have reported it in the forums so far. 20.40.15 # DieselHopper: So that hopefully next time you will look first I imagine 20.40.15 # * bluebrother shakes head 20.40.47 # spending like 5 minutes first checking for a FAQ would be nice IMO. You managed to find the irc link, so a FAQ shouldn't be harder to find ... 20.40.55 Quit ender` (" We're not lost. We're locationally challenged. -- John M. Ford") 20.40.56 # Buschel: For the CPU boosting on UI thing, we've got over a month to test it even if we're just going to use it temporarily for 3.0 20.41.05 # Bagder: can we get a "FAQ" link in the left-side menu? 20.41.15 # Well there is a link saying "IRC" unlike the FAQ 20.41.37 # there is a link saying "manual" and one saying "docs index". Is is _that_ hard? 20.41.55 # Llorean: if anyone could test it would be fine. question is: do we want to implement it for all targets or just for the 5G? 20.42.10 # Buschel: I think the 5G is the only place where the LCD is particularly laggy. 20.42.23 # Well I wasn't looking for 'manual' or 'index'. 20.42.28 # I'd be happy with it just in the list context, but I suspect that most plugins where boosting would alter performance are always boosted anyway, except maybe jewels. 20.42.29 # Llorean: the interesting thing is that we can lower the normal clock with this patch to have better runtime for some codecs :) 20.42.58 # Llorean: but that's another thing... 20.43.06 # Buschel: Might want to leave that out of 3.0, unless we can do some real testing on WPS performance (many scrolling lines + peakmeters) 20.43.56 # Llorean: of course, nothing for 3.0 -- there should be no experiments done in 3.0 20.44.13 # Well, "boost on UI use" might be considered an "experiment" 20.44.25 # But the worst that's likely to come from it is slightly reduced battery life for people who spend a lot of time scrolling. 20.44.32 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B03382A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.44.35 # bluebrother: adding the faq 20.44.56 # Zagor: thanks :) 20.44.59 Quit SETH_HIKARU () 20.45.02 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (i=SETH_HIK@host-126-183-3-96.midco.net) 20.45.42 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 20.46.19 # Llorean: at least i must say that i don't want to miss the gui boost anymore on my 5G -- but i can build for my own ;-) 20.46.19 Quit DieselHopper ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.46.49 # Buschel: Well, I think for 3.0 we should try to make sure the UI doesn't feel laggy, even if it isn't used in the main SVN builds. 20.46.56 # is rasher here 20.47.41 # SETH_HIKARU: This is the last time you'll ever be told. Stop while you're ahead. You're just trolling, and pissing a lot of people off. 20.48.14 # why would i get banned from the off topic channel for talking off topic 20.48.22 # Buschel: It's *probably* possible to optimize the UI itself to the point where boosting isn't needed, but if boosting works too well there won't be much encouragement to do so. Meanwhile, for the 3.0 release, we shouldn't let things like that stand in the way of a "working" solution so long as it doesn't have harmful side effects. 20.48.37 # SETH_HIKARU: You were banned for intentionally pestering users. 20.50.04 # Llorean: btw, you're aware of that nice "no sansa found" bug in rbutil I fixed the other day (after devcon)? 20.50.11 # Llorean: has there been a timeline defined for creating the branch? 20.50.25 # bluebrother: All I know is that you mentioned it happens 20.50.36 # Buschel: Well, the goal right now is to enter freeze sometime in August. 20.50.40 # if users run into that issue simply restart rbutil and don't use autodetection. I hope we get 1.0.6 out this weekend 20.51.12 # Are we going to make a branch or just freeze features and continue on after the release? 20.51.16 # Buschel: There's no outstanding show stopper bugs. We'll branch when we enter the freeze, patch up everything we can, and create a known issues file. Freeze is only two weeks, and we release at the end of it, no matter what. 20.51.20 Part SETH_HIKARU 20.51.26 # bertrik: Branch, so that we can use unclean fixes that don't belong in "real" SVN 20.51.46 # mainly ipodpatcher just locked all drives during autodetection except the one he recognized. All following attempts to access the disc (like sansapatcher scanning) failed. Pretty nasty. 20.51.50 # But no development should go on in the main branch during that period, hopefully 20.52.16 # bluebrother: Okay, thanks for the tip. I'll pass that on if they run into it. 20.52.18 # I'm rather sure that is also the issue of that guy in the forums who had issues but managed to get the bootloader installed using sansapatcher 20.52.43 # yep, just wanted you to be informed until we release ;-) 20.52.45 # Llorean: hmm, can't we just branch off with a certain revision of the trunk and go on with development in the trunk? 20.52.58 # Buschel: That's kinda what we will do. 20.53.22 # Buschel: But ideally developers should be concentrating on bugfixes during the freeze period. Some will be suitable for the branch and the trunk, but some may only be suitable for the branch. 20.53.32 # But we don't want devs working on new features during that period. 20.54.01 # understood, so no technical but a focus issue 20.54.11 # Exactly 20.54.33 # Right now we're in the middle of selecting the Rockbox Steering Board 20.54.34 # merging usually isn't fun so we should try to avoid it 20.54.46 # bluebrother: There will be no merging back from the 3.0 branch. 20.54.48 # will there be some integration from release to trunk or do devs need to submit to both branches then? e.g. when fixing top-issues 20.54.59 # Buschel: Need to submit to both, I think. 20.55.30 # bluebrother: you were faster :) 20.56.27 # I dunno, there may be a way to keep the two partially in sync? 20.57.04 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.57.06 # force devs to immediately merge their changes back to the other branch? 20.57.15 # But anyway, we need to pick the steering board, then assign a release coordinator, and do a tracker cleanup week before then nayway 20.57.37 # * bluebrother agrees 20.57.50 # bluebrother: If they're suitable for both branches, they should be in both. The idea with the 3.0 branch is that some changes (for example the UI boosting) may "work" but not be the most elegant solution to the problem, so they go in the 3.0 build for users, but don't get into the main trunk yet. 20.59.08 # I'd also like to squeeze in the documentation cleanup period 20.59.12 Join disorganizer [0] (n=disorgan@p5B11C9AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.59.18 # But that can actually be *after* we have a release binary, if there's not a good time for it along the way 20.59.27 # "Here's 3.0, updated manuals to come soon" 20.59.28 # Llorean: and translation-touch-up! 20.59.33 # rasher: That too! 20.59.43 # yeah, we should try to have the documentation as complete as possible. 20.59.53 # Absolutely 20.59.57 # maybe add a short docs-and-translation freeze? 21.00.12 # like strings freeze so translators can work 21.00.15 # Doesn't really have to be a separate freeze 21.00.23 # It's not like strings and ui is likely to change anyway 21.00.24 # How should I configure Jabber notifications from Rockbox tracker? 21.00.29 # On the plus side, it *looks* like the showstopper bugs for 3.0 are already cleared up. So if all else fails, we can probably branch from today's SVN revision if things get worse again. 21.00.31 # (what's notification JID?) 21.00.33 # J-23: those don't work. 21.00.43 # and JID is Jabber ID 21.01.40 # yes, I know it, I meaned "what's notification ID" - what JID should I add to my roster 21.02.30 # well, as Jabber notification hasn't been set up (AFAIK) there's no much point in that. 21.02.43 # ok, thanks. 21.02.43 # i assume it'll just send you a message, without needing to be on your roster. (which probabbly won't work with google talk...) 21.02.56 # oh 21.04.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.04.58 # One small "problem" with freezing in august is that it is around that time that the gsoc is supposed to end and we could face the pains of merging any successful projects, but I guess they could go on trunk after the branch... 21.07.01 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.07.09 # n1s: I don't suspect it'll be too big a deal, hopefully 21.08.24 # Does watching task include notifications about comments for task? 21.08.29 # Yes 21.12.10 Quit disorganizer ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 21.13.36 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 21.17.07 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-164-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 21.20.22 Quit DaCapn () 21.21.49 # Llorean: you're still here in 1 1/2 hours? my PC is clean building sim and target now -- maybe you could check the patch before i submit it then? 21.21.57 # * Buschel couldn't wait until tomorrow 21.22.45 # * Buschel also needs to adapt his WPS'es to the new progressbar syntax 21.23.07 # Buschel: I'll be around for a while yet, I think 21.23.25 # ok, I'll give you a trigger 21.25.34 # Sure thing 21.25.35 Quit MethoS- (Connection timed out) 21.25.40 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE20C55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.25.53 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.28.08 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 21.33.28 Quit LTourist () 21.36.18 # how desired is an index for the manual? 21.36.35 Join LTourist [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-102-46.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.37.14 # soap: How much more could an index add on top of the ToC? 21.37.17 # soap: I think it's a "nice to have" 21.37.27 # I'd be for it if it was useful. 21.37.42 # Llorean, at the least it is a ToC in alphabetical order. 21.37.58 # Llorean: well, I usually like documentation having an index to quickly find the sections related to some topic. 21.38.18 # If we could add a significant amount more terms (or alternative terms) to it, it'd be nice 21.38.30 # Things people might look for because they don't know the right terms yet. 21.38.30 # soap: I even tried around with an index like a year+ or so ago. 21.38.35 # I assume there is no easy way to build an index outside of "brute force" / manually? 21.39.04 # Llorean, are search terms on the forums stored anywhere? 21.39.09 # there is a really easy way: just add \index{blah} along the text itself (not 100% sure if that was the macro) 21.39.27 # soap: I don't think so, but I don't know for certain. 21.39.37 # then you just need to run makeidx and latex again. I think the makefile already can handle this. 21.39.48 # it would be very interesting and perhaps enlightening to see what search terms are used on the forums. 21.39.55 # (cynic adds "if any") 21.39.57 # or at least, I think I had it handle it previously, so it shouldn't be hard to add 21.40.26 # soap: I'm sure it'd actually be really useful for building such an index 21.40.54 # that's where I was going with the query. 21.41.18 # we already have 13 references to the index in the manual sources ;-) 21.42.00 # soap: I'd really like someone working on it ;-) 21.42.10 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@dhcp-NHD-quar-220.tamu.edu) 21.42.17 Part tmcarr 21.42.19 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 21.43.15 # very willing to do this, bluebrother, but I have a ton of questions, can we discuss this tomorrow? I'll be home ~23:30 CET, don't know how late of hours you keep... 21.43.36 # soap: I don't see any options relating to logging searches. :( 21.44.42 # Llorean: The server log should have them (if the search uses http GET, that is) 21.44.56 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.45.04 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21.45.08 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.45.35 # amiconn: We can pester scorche about it then 21.47.41 # soap: sorry, missed your last hilight due to stupid network ... 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Peakmeters need to stay smooth, and line scrolling needs to stay smooth, and alternating sublines should work skill for image animation. As long as that happens at 24mhz, I wouldn't mind. 22.20.26 Join r4v5 [0] (i=r4v5@loliserv.org) 22.20.27 # *still 22.22.13 # If the UI list is sluggish at 30, I'm kinda worried that the WPS won't be good at 24, but I don't have a 5G to know. 22.22.33 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 22.22.38 # So I'm trying to test the USB stack with my sansa e280. It insta-panics when I plug it in, after displaying a torn white-on-blue distorted version of the 'usb connected' picture. 22.23.11 # r4v5: You are aware that the USB stack can significantly corrupt the Sansa? 22.23.20 # i am aware, yes. 22.23.52 # But my understanding is that you can still recover in manfuacturer mode, yes? 22.23.55 # r4v5, you need to #define some symbols first (in the Makefile IIRC) 22.24.01 # As in, not just resulting in corruption of the files being copied. You shouldn't be using it unless you're working on it, so when you get errors like that you should be investigating them and fixing them. 22.24.15 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 22.26.22 # r4v5, in build/Makefiles you need to add -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB to the line that says export EXTRA_DEFINES= 22.27.04 # Llorean: buschel put WPS updates at a couple MHz on (I believe) the G5, so smooth updating should certainly be possible in the long term, though at present I have no unit to test it on (the sansa is always fast for me) 22.27.43 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3EA0B.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.28.08 # bertrik: I could have sworn I did that... oops, time to rebuild. 22.28.12 # saratoga: Yeah. Well, I'm only concerned about the 3.0 release at the moment, and I think this is something that can be worked out after it. 22.28.17 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@dhcp-NHD-quar-220.tamu.edu) 22.28.18 # r4v5: another option is to add two lines to firmware/export/config-e200.h ... 22.28.31 # Llorean: can you test this one? -> http://pastebin.com/mbb34757 22.29.16 # Llorean: yeah I agree that 3.0 should come first 22.29.22 # r4v5, bertrik : You also need -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED if you want USB2 22.29.32 Part tmcarr 22.29.34 # r4v5, I think the sources are not automatically rebuilt when the Makefile is modified 22.29.38 # *if you want high speed 22.29.45 # saratoga: For 3.0, I think UI boosting is an option, but lowering the unboosted should wait 22.29.55 # r4v5: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb 22.29.59 # Buschel: Sure 22.30.19 # I like the GUI boosting idea for 3.0 22.31.39 # saratoga: It still needs testing, and picking a good "when do I unboost?" time, and such 22.31.45 # Don't want it too slow or too fast. 22.31.54 # But we've got time for that, for certain 22.32.05 # I'd also like to see Sansa charging. 22.32.15 # * Llorean doesn't think we should release for any targets that won't charge in Rockbox 22.32.55 # Buschel: My Nano boots fine with that build 22.33.14 # Llorean: ok, then i'll submit in a few minutes 22.33.38 # the Sansa charging thing is difficult since we don't really know if it matters that the charger sometimes doesn't cut off when its supposed to 22.33.57 # in theory it doesn't matter since it should "charge" at zero current anyway, but who knows if it really does that 22.34.40 # saratoga: Well, if we can't get it tested and worked out by then, maybe disable the option to charge-only so that Rockbox *always* reboots into the OF on Sansa 22.34.54 # I just don't want people being stuck with it seeming like it should be charging, but nothing happening. 22.35.14 # i suppose i could make some measurements and see what the charger is actually doing, but a better solution might be to just have a failsafe that kills the charger after 3 hours no matter what so that you can't over charge the battery 22.35.23 # I consider that a "silent failure" which is bad for a behaviour that seems reasonable to expect for users. 22.35.32 # i'm more concerned about blowing up a battery 22.35.50 # i hear lipoly batteries catch fire quite easily 22.35.50 # saratoga: Is there any way to query the charger, and kill it if it is in an unknown or inappropriate state? 22.36.32 # the charger can read the battery voltage I think (ask Bertrik he knows the details), but its really a matter of knowing how much current the battery is taking while you charge 22.36.39 # Llorean, there are bits to detect end-of-charge (does not always seem to get set at end of charge) and for over-temperature 22.37.02 # bertrik: can we read the charge current? 22.37.14 # bertrik: How do we know it doesn't get set at the end of charge, then? 22.37.16 # Someone made some current measurements during charge, I really need to look closer at them 22.37.25 # I mean, if it's not set, what other clue do we have that tells us it didn't get set at the right time/ 22.37.53 # Llorean, because it seemingly never stops charging while the voltage keeps floating at the termination voltage 22.38.11 # Can we just query the voltage every 15 minutes then, and terminate it ourselves? 22.38.16 # Or every X time. 22.38.20 # saratoga, no, we cannot measure the current AFAIK 22.38.39 # Like, if the voltage is above X value for X queries, kill it. 22.38.45 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 22.39.19 # it would make sense that theres no resistor in series, it'd waste power and be difficult to calibrate 22.40.04 # Llorean: I would assume rockbox could fork a thread that does that, but i don't know much about how that sort of tihng works 22.40.04 # Llorean, I don't know if that's a good way of shutting down 22.40.21 # i'd be happy with a fixed time out for the charger 22.40.25 # Maybe I just need to experiment a bit more 22.40.30 # theres really no reason to charge for more then 3 or 4 hours anyway 22.40.54 # saratoga: But if a battery is only down 10% and someone gets the "it doesn't cut off" problem, 3 or 4 hours can be a long time 22.40.57 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.41.08 # saratoga, yeah most charging algorithms say that the charger should also have a time limit 22.41.35 # Llorean: as the battery charges the impedance rises, so the current delivered drops anyway 22.41.42 # Instead of a fixed time, can we approximate a reasonable maximum based on percentage? 22.41.56 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 22.42.19 # in theory it'd deliver no current at all if the battery is already charged, but in practice it'll still give it some, which is why we should guard against the possibility of someone leaving it charging for a month with the charger trickling a couple mA continuously 22.42.31 # Aaaah 22.42.41 # i don't think theres any risk here, mostly just that you'd slowly degrade the battery 22.42.47 # Well, as long as the people more knowledgeable than me say "this solution ought to be good enough" :) 22.43.03 # well to be fair i read a couple papers on lipoly charging, but i'm not really an expert 22.43.13 # Still, much more knowledge than I have. 22.43.33 # But we can debate what to do as we get closer to the freeze, if the status of the patch hasn't changed much. 22.43.42 # should probably measure (or find if someone else did this) what the long term current trends to 22.44.19 # might actually be worth intentionally overcharging my battery just to see how much current it will really trickle with 22.44.34 # saratoga: They sell replacements anyway, right? 22.44.40 # yes they're dirt cheap 22.44.56 # Other more minor leftover problems: 22.45.14 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB1F88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.45.22 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-213-197.dsl.scarlet.be) 22.45.27 # Know the tracker number for Sansa charging, by chance? 22.45.27 # 1) Using the RTCSUPP voltage now to monitor charging voltage as the official BVDD channels seems to give garbage (too high) voltage 22.45.36 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.45.42 # 8363 22.46.32 # Thanks 22.46.33 # 2) the state machine is very simple now, otherwise it easily gets confused by transient values in the charger status registers 22.46.35 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@dhcp-NHD-quar-220.tamu.edu) 22.46.55 # * Llorean adds "Due in 3.0" 22.47.13 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B161E6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.47.57 # bertrik: confused how? like it needs some debouncing? 22.48.48 Part tmcarr 22.49.24 # the temperature-high bit gets set during plugin, making charging stop immediately IIRC 22.50.32 # when it stops charging does it then run off of usb power or start draining the battery again? 22.51.02 # Llorean: has there been any discussions on what targets to release 3.0 for? 22.51.15 # r4v5, I think it keeps running from the USB and does not drain the battery 22.51.24 # preglow: The ideal is "everything supported, unless specific ones have target-specific showstoppers" 22.51.30 # hrm 22.51.36 # Personally, I'm against any that have charging issues. 22.51.46 # i think i'd still be a bit bothered with shipping anything that needs usb hacks 22.51.52 # and i agree on the charging 22.51.56 # iPod Disk Mode isn't bad, I think 22.51.59 # I'm not sure about the H10s. 22.52.08 # the sansa disk mode isn't a big deal actually 22.52.13 # well, we don't do ipod charging yet, do we? 22.52.18 # while i'd like to see USB support, it works well enough that I don't really care 22.52.22 # that is, properly 22.52.22 # I think the current workaround with the bootloader booting into OF when USB is connected is quite acceptable 22.52.25 # preglow: I'm pretty sure we do charge on iPod now. 22.52.48 # Llorean: properly, full-on fast charging? 22.52.55 # And actually, I've used the USB stack some with my nano without any problems. And it works great on my Gigabeast, though that's not PP. 22.53.19 # preglow: Well, it requests full current from the PC. I haven't timed it to see how long it takes though, so I don't know if it's a sansa-like situation where there's something else throttling it. 22.53.33 # hmm, ok 22.53.46 # well, that makes ipod release sound better for me, then 22.53.49 # well... booting into OF is another problem as it doesn't always work reliably from a running Rockbox. I don't think that was addressed... 22.53.51 # But that'll be one thing to check on. 22.53.59 # pixelma: Yeah, we need to get back to solid rebooting 22.54.13 # And if possible figure out a way to keep it from reporting missing drivers. 22.54.26 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-103-202-16.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.54.31 # Again though, if "charging while using Rockbox" doesn't work, I think an option is to just disable that and always reboot to disk mode. 22.54.32 # i wonder if the bug with the hold switch sometimes messing up other buttons is there on ipods 22.54.37 # haven't used my nano in a good while 22.54.46 # preglow: Haven't seen any recent reports of it, at least. 22.55.14 # Another option with 3.0 is to designate two categories of targets. 22.55.21 # "Release" and "Beta" taregets 22.55.22 # targets 22.55.30 # Beta ones being those that work, but not as well as the full release ones. 22.55.35 # That'd be most of our portalplayer pals. 22.56.23 # hm 22.56.39 # well, i guess that's a decent enough idea 22.56.44 # I've recently seen "scrollwheel doesn't work right after switching hold off" myself on amiconn's Mini 22.57.14 # whats holding up USB anyway? 22.57.21 # just the hub issue or is it worse then that? 22.57.29 # saratoga: Just the hub issue for everything but the Sansa 22.57.46 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180070246.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.57.51 # The Sansa has some sort of problem with the SD driver, iirc, that can result in more serious problems. 22.58.32 # pixelma: yeah, i'm quite sure there are still wheel/button driver problems 22.59.23 # Llorean, saratoga: "more serious problems" = file system corruption, I believe 22.59.28 # aye 23.00.09 # some weird-ass shit, that, i wonde rat which level it corrupts things 23.00.30 # hmm, right, timing, pretty much has to be the controller doing something to the command/data stream 23.01.21 # * rasher gets out the MrH-Signal lamp 23.01.21 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.44 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 23.01.57 # regarding the SD issue, it looks like its nearly fixed: FS#8663 23.02.08 # saratoga: yeah, but doesn't that bring up another problem? 23.02.13 # at least people in that thread are reporting that they can no longer get corrupted files 23.02.47 # preglow: not that I know of, but I haven't tried using a microsd card 23.03.15 # * Llorean adds another task to the due in 3.0 list. 23.03.27 # I'd recommend any time there's a patch or bug of interest, add "due in 3.0" 23.04.12 # someone with more free time then me write a disk driver test plugin 23.04.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.04.34 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.06.26 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.07.55 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.07.55 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.09.50 Join Seraphil [0] (i=54ca2cb8@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4e009dfbb962bb9f) 23.10.17 # is there any work on tv-out via dock on any ipod-ports? 23.10.21 # at all? 23.10.53 # no 23.11.27 # so you won't step on any toes when you start on it! 23.11.39 # hehe 23.11.50 # a bit lacking in c++/assembly programming though 23.12.10 # Seraphil: Well, with nobody working on it, you've got time to learn. :) 23.12.17 # :) 23.14.42 # Hi guys. I've been trying to figure out why playback doesn't actually start on the D2 until the audio buffer is full. It seems that when pcmbuf_play_start() is called pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is 0, therefore failing the 'if' condition that kicks off playback. Any ideas why this might be? 23.14.53 Quit n1s () 23.14.56 # * preglow sets up his new macbook for rockbox development 23.15.11 # * Horscht sets preglow on fire 23.15.26 # * preglow burns 23.15.58 # * Horscht enjoys the wamrth 23.16.08 # warmth even 23.16.15 # preglow: Willing to help out with rbutil builds? If I recall they were short of people who could compile the mac version. 23.16.25 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.16.39 # Llorean: sure 23.17.16 # Llorean: i'm pretty new to it still, though, but if someone can provide instructions on what to do i'm good to go 23.17.24 # I don't know how myself, honestly. :) 23.17.39 # I think jd has provided a login to domonoky for that now 23.17.44 # I just know that they want to get a 1.0.6 release out, and the latest mac binary is still 1.0.4 because we had nobody to build 1.0.5 23.17.49 # Aah, that's graet. 23.17.51 # great too 23.17.54 # there is a 1.0.5 there now 23.18.02 # * Buschel finished changing his WPS'es to viewports and new progressbar 23.18.07 # quite a lot of work 23.18.40 # good night! 23.18.41 # * ZincAlloy agrees 23.18.44 Quit Buschel () 23.19.23 # Llorean, I think I'll create a wiki about sansa charging with as much as possible of the information collected so far from the tracker and forums, ok? 23.19.36 # bertrik: Can't hurt. 23.22.07 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 23.25.38 # preglow: building rbutil is fairly easy -- check RockboxUtilityDevelopment. 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I'll throw my question out to the dev ml later and hope someone bites :) 23.31.35 # r4v5: To help determine if bugs like the one on the Sansa are still present after attempts to fix them. 23.31.52 # shotofadds: ML is a good idea for difficult questions, more people will see it. 23.34.27 # shotofadds: still no bloody luck on seeing sd card data :/ 23.37.47 # Llorean: yeah, but what would it do? 23.38.14 # Llorean: now that your Nano is up to date and working, maybe you could check FS#8970 again? Judging from the sim which showed symptoms before, it is really fixed but I'd like confirmation from someone testing on target before closing 23.39.09 # or close it yourself 23.39.30 # r4v5: Not sure. 23.40.31 # pixelma: I should just enter quickscreen from WPS and see if it shows WPS elements? 23.40.33 # i thought the corruption only happened when usb was transferred; otherwise, it wouldn't be too hard to just automate copying a file from msd to internal flash and back until it corrupts, would it? 23.41.02 # r4v5: One theory is that writes happen relatively rarely in general use, so it's just significantly less likely 23.41.10 # hrmr 23.41.18 # anyone else tried running rockboxdev.sh on os x? 23.41.29 # Oh, so the bug might not be USB but simply exposed because nothing else writes enough data to trip it. 23.41.36 # r4v5: Exactly 23.41.38 # Llorean: it froze the Nano when the lines had to scroll (German settings had a long name, maybe you could also use a very big font to try) 23.42.15 Quit MethoS- (Connection timed out) 23.42.17 # preglow: I 23.42.24 # preglow: I'm pretty sure it worked at some point 23.42.44 # sure didn't here 23.42.52 # not one of the cross compilers got a full tool set 23.43.02 # hmm... wasn't there something in the bug tracker? 23.43.14 # pixelma: Lines are scrolling fine, in german, in WPS quickscreen 23.43.27 # nice, thanks 23.43.29 # m68k didn't even get a blood bin/ dir 23.44.58 # shotofadds: maybe you already know this, but on 8GB D2s (or at least on mine), the NAND access is still problematic. I have to retry at least ten times to get a working boot, and it only sees about half of my audio files 23.45.55 # yeah, mine is problematic too 23.46.01 # preglow: somehow related to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9006 ? Though I have no idea... 23.46.06 # psh, you don't need bin/, it's purely vestigial. 23.46.52 # pixelma: nah, that is a rockbox build, i can't even get gcc to build 23.46.58 # pixelma: still bad, of course 23.47.07 Join snaga [0] (n=dmoulton@70.103.17.130) 23.47.41 # preglow: I'm quite sure others have ran it fine on macos 23.48.35 # FS#6340 and FS#6499 fixed OS X related issues. 23.49.51 # pixelma: i just looked at the german translation and saw VOICE_QUICKSCREEN uses the english term. was that intended? 23.50.05 # The manual for the Archos Recorder says about wavplay 'This plugin is for demo purposes only. It is planned to have Wavplay as part of the normal playback engine in Rockbox version 3.1.'. Shouldn't that be 'in a later release' ? 23.50.42 # my Sansa e280 just went into panic mode while playing a game. does anyone know how to get it out? Using Rockbox, not sure what version. 23.50.47 # Bagder: i'll see if i can dig up specifics on what went wrong 23.51.00 # snaga: hold the power key for at least 20..30 seconds 23.51.09 # ok 23.51.25 # PaulJam: more or less yes. I didn't find a proper expression for it and thought it would still be nicer than trying too hard to find a word that is not understood in the end. If you have a better suggestion... 23.51.43 # gevaerts: Well, at the time it was on the list of planned features for 3.1. That might do with reconsidering now, though. 23.52.08 # gevaerts: thanks, that worked. didn't think it needed to be that long... 23.52.37 # Llorean: exactly. Especially since the revised policy of releasing what's there and not what we would like to be there 23.53.08 # gevaerts: Well, we can leave it as "it is planned" 23.53.17 # Llorean: OK. I'll fix it 23.53.20 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.53.25 # Fixing it is good too. 23.53.26 # Either way 23.55.18 # On a note related to upcoming cleanups, do we want to start more aggressively closing old feature requests, and only keep ones that we'd have "sponsored" under the new system? 23.55.30 # yes 23.56.22 # pixelma: not really. maybe "Schnelleinstellungen"? sounds silly somehow, but i'm not sure how german voice synthesis would handle the english "Quickscreen". 23.56.30 # How do we do that ? The problem I see is that "we" don't sponsor, individual devs do, and they will disagree on what should stay 23.57.01 # gevaerts: Easy, we close them all 23.57.12 # gevaerts: if we'd close one too many, we can always re-open or re-enter if a dev shows up and sponsors it 23.57.14 # Then anyone interested in looking for one can go through the closed ones and reopen any. :-P 23.57.26 Quit bertrik ("boot to windows") 23.57.28 # That's true. 23.57.38 # * gevaerts withdraws his objections 23.57.49 Quit ender` (" Kids. You gotta love them. I adore children. A little salt, a squeeze of lemon--perfect. -- Harry Dresden") 23.58.02 Quit snaga ("Ex-Chat")