--- Log for 02.07.108 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 18 hours and 57 minutes ago 00.01.22 Join vincent [0] (n=chatzill@cc846502-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 00.01.51 Nick vincent is now known as Guest60655 (n=chatzill@cc846502-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 00.02.13 # PaulJam: doesn't sound that bad, the voice synthesis can be "told" how to pronounce it correctly but would probably need to be adapted 00.02.59 # with the help of a script that would need to be adapted... 00.05.18 # ok, didn't know that, thanks. 00.05.48 # hmm 00.05.49 # can anyone tell me how to connect a SANE backend to GIMP frontend? 00.05.51 # it vomits on crtstuff.c 00.06.05 # Guest60655: maybe, but certainly not here 00.06.16 # PaulJam: but I'll keep your suggestion in mind 00.06.58 # seems to be a ton of asm and asm directives it doesn't understand 00.09.24 # Bagder: Numbering scheme for releases: 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 ... 3.9, 3.10, or 3.01, 3.02 etc? Specifically, "how do we want to avoid giving major version numbers out for minor releases"? 00.09.42 # gevaerts: we need Rockbox behaving as USB scanner! ;-) 00.09.55 # Llorean: ask the flyspray guys? :D 00.10.03 # hehehe 00.10.21 # Llorean: 3.0, 3.1, and if a micro release is needed 3.0 -> 3.0.1 etc 00.10.25 # Llorean: I'm a fan of 3.0 for the release, and 3.1 for the next "big" three months after. And if we patch the 3.0 with a bugfix release we do a 3.0.1 00.10.36 # What I mean, though is this 00.10.40 # * bluebrother smiles 00.10.47 # In 2.5 years, if we don't have the makings of a 4.0, what do we do after 3.9? 00.11.15 # 3.10 00.11.17 # Okay 00.11.18 # you think we'll approach 3.9 by that time? 00.11.20 # That's what I needed. :) 00.11.26 # bluebrother: If we release every 3 months, we will. 00.11.45 # * Bagder works on libcurl 7.18.2 ... 00.12.08 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.12.14 # true. But I could imagine that 3 months sometimes will be 4 or so. And a 3 month release could also turn out to "just" be a micro release 00.12.15 # What? You need to work on rockbox! 00.12.21 # oops 00.12.34 # are we going for a three month schedule? 00.12.36 # he did the last weekend. Now waiting for next year *g* 00.12.46 Part Seraphil 00.12.56 # preglow: not strictly perhaps, but both me and Llorean would like something like that 00.12.56 # preglow: that was the proposed timeframe-goal 00.13.07 # bluebrother: I'm just saying, hypothetically 4 may not happen any time soon. It should be reserved for something significant, like a new GUI using buttons or some other crazy thing. 00.13.18 # preglow: It's our current target. 00.13.20 # hmm 00.13.20 # Llorean: point taken. 00.13.35 # well, will be fun to see if it works out 00.13.35 # I'd love it if we hit 4.0 before we end up at 3.9. :) 00.13.50 # Llorean: That will confuse users 00.13.56 # gevaerts: kan je wel een tip geven die naar de oplossing leidt? 00.14.03 # preglow: yeah, it does feel a bit strange considering going from three years to three months 00.14.26 # Guest60655: I don't understand a word 00.14.33 # gevaerts: yeah, the NAND driver is somewhat "flaky" still - I haven't worked on it much lately. The best way to fool it into working is to copy the files you want (eg. unzip rockbox.zip, copy a couple of albums) and then copy some more large files that you don't care about. 00.14.35 # or is it five years? ;-) 00.14.38 # * gevaerts points Guest60655 to the topic 00.14.47 # * Llorean has updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo 00.14.58 # Bagder: any idea on how we'll do releases? just do them as we have them, or set up goals for each one? 00.15.08 # also ensure you're using a recent-ish bootloader. there was a change a few weeks ago (forgot the revision, sorry) which seems to make mine a little more reliable 00.15.24 # preglow: time-based basically, so we release what works at a given date 00.15.28 # shotofadds: ok. If you know the status that's fine :) I just wasn't sure if you were aware of the difference in reliability between different capacity players 00.15.31 # preglow: We determine release-critical bugs, focus on seeing that those get fixed, then declare a freeze, fix what we can, document what we can't, and put it out. 00.15.41 # gevaerts: oh no, it's not reliable here either :) 00.15.54 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 00.16.01 # sounds good 00.16.08 # still looking forward to seeing how it'll work out, though :) 00.16.14 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 00.16.24 # shotofadds: not _reliable_ maybe, but from what I understood it's probably better than on mine at least :) 00.16.25 # it'll certainly be a worthy challenge 00.16.43 # preglow: Well, the worst case is that 3.0 _still_ doesn't come out, so it's not too bad. :) 00.16.45 # what to do if we end up with bugs depending on someone who has no time for fixing, though? skip release for three months, or just wait until a release can happen? 00.16.47 Quit soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.17.01 # well, "reliable" is open to interpretation. it's pretty bad, but I've jsut got used to it... 00.17.02 # preglow: ... yes ;-) 00.17.06 # \o/ 00.17.22 # preglow: Roll back to before the bug was introduced, and branch from there? 00.17.36 # i guess we'll leave that decision up to each time it happens 00.18.35 # We have a release coordinator just for that 00.18.56 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.21.10 # i think we should just put "steering commitee will fight each other to decide" on that one 00.21.19 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.21.58 # I would expect the steering committee to choose "someone else", so they won't need to fight :) 00.23.21 # someone fix the bugs :) 00.23.35 # but time for sleep now. cu guys. 00.23.37 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.23.45 # * gevaerts thinks that people who are busy setting "Version due" on bug reports are ideal candidates for the release coordinator job 00.23.55 # Bagder: do you think it'd be useful to "go public" with the vmware buildserver VM I've created? It built a video build in 200 seconds on my laptop, which should be "fast enough to be helpful" 00.24.32 # sure! 00.25.12 # * Bagder takes off for massive amounts of sleep 00.25.33 # see you in a couple of days 00.27.34 Quit MTee () 00.28.53 # well, these error messages didn't get me any closer to solving anything 00.28.55 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.29.42 # gevaerts: I'm only setting them so it's easy to search through them when writing the "Known Issues" file. :-P 00.30.27 # Llorean: You mean you're planning to write the "Known Issues" file? Another release coordinator task! 00.31.51 # * Llorean hides. 00.32.03 # * preglow coordinates a cup of tea 00.36.19 Quit Guest60655 (Remote closed the connection) 00.39.44 Join TaylorKillian [0] (i=826c116f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf64edef76257899) 00.40.01 Quit TaylorKillian (Client Quit) 00.43.02 # speaking of realease coordinator tasks: have you decided on a code name? 00.43.51 # Barking Badger? 00.44.38 # oh, a brick free codename? 00.46.32 # Well when someone comes up with one, add it to the page. :-P 00.47.13 # But remember, adding one means showing interest in working on the release :) 00.48.10 # * Llorean just wants someone else to edit the page so his name isn't the most obvious one on it. 00.55.11 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-166-084.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.56.03 Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.56.59 Join ToHellWithGA [0] (n=ryan@68-187-141-76.dhcp.clma.mo.charter.com) 00.57.11 # how does one add themes using the Rockbox Utility? 00.57.23 Quit obo ("bye") 00.57.28 # i'm used to doing everything manually and thought i'd give the utility a spin 00.57.36 # ToHellWithGA: Where are you getting stuck? 00.58.03 # it pops up a progress window with "the following error occurred:\nNo themes found." 00.58.10 # ipod video ? 00.58.15 # do i need to download them manually and put them in a certain area 00.58.28 # dionoea: yes, ipod video 30GB, 5.5G i suppose 00.58.43 # i've been having a lot of barfs on the ipod lately in rockbox that inspired me to reinstall 00.58.52 # iPod Video themes are disabled at the current site for bandwidth reasons. 00.58.55 # ipod video theme downloads were disabled a few months ago due to bandwidth issues on the server 00.58.56 # "codec not found" and the like, when a few minutes later codecs will be found 00.59.08 # oh, boo that 00.59.15 # so i will install my themes manually 00.59.16 # (and I offered mirroring help to offload it) 00.59.20 # :) 00.59.26 # is that codec problem known and/or common? 00.59.31 # No. 00.59.45 # right after booting it complains about missing files in .rockbox and missing codecs 00.59.55 # yet the files work in a matter of minutes after playing something else 01.00.03 # Are you using an up to date build? 01.00.18 # it was current as of... 01.00.26 # not yesterday but the monday before 01.00.37 # updated right before a road trip for work, trial by fire :) 01.00.41 # Have you checked your disk for errors? 01.00.46 # egads 01.00.54 # i have not, do ipod disks error often? 01.00.56 # Nobody else has reported this, so the most likely guess is a hardware issue. 01.01.06 # or an incorrect/incomplete installation 01.01.12 # We do have an awful lot of 5G users for something that sounds this common to slip through the cracks. 01.01.19 # that would be a shame, the thing is new as of this past august 01.01.20 # stripwax: Well, if it errors on the file, then works on it later, the file's there. 01.01.30 # "missing files in .rockbox" suggests incomplete installation though 01.01.38 # Or that it just can't find the files the first time. 01.01.40 # Or "just" a corrupted filesystem 01.01.42 # but I take your point :) 01.01.45 # yeah 01.01.47 # i'll see if it keeps doing this after the install via the Utility 01.02.08 # ToHellWithGA: if it does, try checking the filesystem. 01.02.54 # can that be done in a windows terminal? 01.03.07 # Yes. 01.03.10 # i'm not familiar with fsck in linux and heard it can hose mounted disks 01.03.25 # * gevaerts refers to others for exact syntax 01.04.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.24 Join pengo [0] (n=xtofu@60-242-139-27.static.tpgi.com.au) 01.04.29 # i guess while i'm at it i can defraggle the ipod 01.04.44 # probably a lot of strain on USB but worth a performance gain while using battery 01.05.12 # Maybe. It certainly won't harm it 01.06.04 # chkdsk /f x: 01.06.08 # where x is the drive letter 01.06.31 # thanks for the help so far y'all, i'll be back with better descriptions of my barf errors if they keep happening 01.06.38 Quit ToHellWithGA ("You know you'll miss me a lot.") 01.09.26 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 01.10.08 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.11.21 Quit MethoS_ (Success) 01.11.59 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C3F.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.12.36 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-162-206.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.13.37 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 01.14.01 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.14.24 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.41 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.18.05 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.21.06 Quit ZincAlloy (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.15 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.25.57 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-165-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.28.34 Quit wpyh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.33.54 Join eternauta [0] (n=eternaut@190.188.249.203) 01.36.14 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 01.40.20 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-162-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.40.46 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 01.41.40 Quit arohtar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.45.38 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.46.05 Part pixelma 01.47.11 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 01.52.52 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-164-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.53.52 Quit atrus () 01.59.43 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.02.10 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.29 Quit dabujo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.05.50 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.08.11 # Hello, I would like to know if someone is working on a new port for the Titan player? 02.10.18 # I haven't heard of them 02.10.34 # they are based on sigmatel 35xx 02.11.02 # maybe you could collect some information and port it in the wiki 02.11.16 # So with the 23 june patch on FS#8663, i didn't get any errors copying over a gigabyte from sansa to computer. 02.11.27 # yes I did, PhilipsGoGear3100Port uses it 02.11.30 # Now to do it again and again from different angles and the msd and again! 02.11.57 # but that port I am afraid doesnt work properly, I think it is slightly different this player 02.12.09 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.12.15 # eternauta: I'm really sorry but I have to go to sleep 02.12.19 # take care 02.12.34 # thanks 02.16.46 # has anyone else heard about it? 02.17.06 Join Glorfindel [0] (n=fake@ppp-69-223-53-143.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) 02.18.38 # Let me see if I understand this correctly: using multiple fonts in a WPS is not available without a modified version of Rockbox, right? 02.19.15 # eternauta, there is no GPL compiler for sigmatel chips, so a rockbox port is impossible 02.31.03 # krazykit: The compiler doesn't need to be GPL, just freely available 02.35.00 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.08 # yes... but still no compiler and as I ve read I wont spend $12.000 on it. Moreover when the player has "onboard" battery and is meant to "die" 02.36.55 # almost all players are like that, hasn't stopped anybody from replacing the battery when they need to 02.37.09 # really? I didnt know that 02.37.20 # someone in the forum said that as Freescale bought sigmatel, they may release one 02.37.25 # compiler I mean 02.37.58 # i think if the battery can't last through warranty companies'll typically replace it... if it does, then there's no warranty left to void when you open it up and do it yourself :p 02.38.38 # do you know where can I find more info about doing that? 02.39.36 # its somewhat device specific, check any forums related to the player in question (esp with any 'hacking' or 'modding' forums/threads) 02.40.00 # if it hasn't been out long enough for people to need battery replacement, you might not find much without pioneering yourself 02.40.28 # at the very least, someone'll usually disassemble and post guts shots which can be informative 02.40.32 # the thing is that the player is not popular, so... 02.41.51 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-7-61.dsl.telesp.net.br) 02.42.02 # well I guess I'll sell my player and buy one with a port already made 02.42.15 # thanks for your time and answers 02.42.46 # np, goodluck 02.45.17 # Yes, Glorfindel, thats correct. Why thank you Glorfindel, you saved me an hour of playing around with scripting. 02.47.36 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 02.52.38 # And the feature request spam begins. 02.56.22 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 03.03.53 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.04.14 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.08.01 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.08.04 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.09.11 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.36.59 # hey 03.37.18 # Llorean: morning... I see more tracker clean up was talked about vernight... 03.37.22 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.37.39 # Referring to anything specific? 03.37.59 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.38.00 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.38.12 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.38.15 # I'm thinking we should mark every bug as either 3.0 or 3.1, and setup a wiki page to say "these are the bugs which i couldnt reproduce and someone with the actual taget needs to test" 03.38.50 # I think we should mark them as either 3.0 or leave them unmarked. 03.39.08 # But yes, there should be a place to list 3.0 bugs that need on-target testing. 03.39.09 # well, marking as 3.1 would mean somone has already looked at it 03.39.15 # Ah, good point. 03.39.19 # Maybe we need a "Future" release 03.39.23 # yeah 03.39.24 # Rather than 3.1 03.39.39 # But yeah, it makes sense to be able to mark them as seen. 03.39.46 # also, we should make a point to make sure people actually check if the bug is still there, rather than just looking at comments 03.40.18 # Well, that's what the "Confirmed" field is for. 03.42.31 Quit japc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.43.15 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.18 # I wonder if it would be silly to try and get down to <100 open bugs (or bugs without bandaind fixes) in the release 03.46.28 # I think bandaid fixes are really fine, as long as they aren't likely to have side-effects. 03.46.54 # But I don't think we can reasonably set a target number. We can set a goal, but we can't let it stop us if we don't hit it, or we'll never release, like last time 03.47.10 # yeah 03.48.56 # But I'd suggest that any bugs we can't reproduce, we ignore so long as there are reproduceable ones we can fix. To me, at least, if you can reproduce it, it's more likely a user will encounter it. 03.49.07 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 03.49.52 # I think if they cant be reproduced by at least someone with the reported tagrter (if its target specifc) it should jjut be closed 03.50.39 # Well, some bugs are hard to reproduce (like the Nano glitch) 03.51.00 # Like, the ATA -11 error we just fixed, not all Nanos experienced it, and we only have a few devs with Nanos. 03.51.13 # hmm, ok, fair enough 03.51.35 # But if we can't reproduce it, we worry about it later and focus on ones we, as devs, can actually do testing on. 03.51.49 # Putting up a test patch that may not even get a response from a user before the freeze ends just isn't efficient. 03.52.18 # is anyone totally against branching and putting bandaid fixes in there? 03.52.28 # Not that I've heard. 03.52.45 # If there's an argument about it, though, we'll have a steering board in time to make the decision. 04.03.06 # Any thoughts on merging WebHome with the docsindex? Seems a bit strange to have two focal-points...\ 04.05.05 # I'd have to agree that two focal points is kinda bad, though I haven't really looked at them myself so I don't know much about merging suitability. 04.06.11 # MarcGuay: Did you watch the DevCon tapes? I don't know if it was during the discussion, but we talked about having a "documentation cleanup week" some point soon with a focus on improving the wiki, moving things from the wiki to the manual, and cleaning up and polishing the manual. Since you've contributed to both, it would be nice if you could think some on what you think needs the most focus, etc. 04.07.30 # I think the wiki should be development info only and the manual user guides only... so moveing the CustomWPS, all plugin pages, etc into the manual only 04.07.39 # althugh, that will make the manual more huge 04.08.02 # JdGordon: I think the manual should be "getting Rockbox on the player, and stuff you do on the player" only 04.08.28 # So CustomWPS, and video converting can be elsewhere 04.08.40 # Though ideally CustomWPS could be replaced with another feature for RBUtil 04.08.44 # Eventually 04.09.04 # The advantage of the wiki is that it's very easy to edit.. Very useful for target-independdent info... i think the WPS syntax is out of place in the manual. 04.09.34 # I think, honestly, the balance is *almost* right 04.09.46 # But a lot of the plugin pages in the wiki are redundant, and such. 04.09.58 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.10.05 # Llorean: I agree. Polishing is all that's really needed. 04.10.08 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 04.10.28 # But there's probably a lot of info in the wiki that hasn't made it to the manual yet. 04.10.38 # Llorean: And for sure, redundancy is rampant and something I've been trying to minimize in the wiki. 04.11.24 # It's hard to say sometimes where it belongs... Things that can change, even infrequently, are better suited to the wiki. 04.11.30 # I'd kinda like to get rid of the plugin pages, but maybe create a "VideoConversion" page with more explicitly tuned instructions instead of a billion sets of confusing instructions. 04.12.18 # * MarcGuay starts a new ToDo list.... :) 04.12.33 # Not enough of those around. ;) 04.12.50 # But a Documentation Cleanup ToDo would be nice, to help with organizing things once it starts 04.16.47 Quit midgey () 04.19.11 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.19.40 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279530223.dsl.bell.ca) 04.32.41 Quit eternauta (Remote closed the connection) 04.37.26 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.37.37 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.38.17 Quit Glorfindel () 04.41.12 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.46.24 Quit simonrvn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.46.25 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 04.48.28 # Was it decided that a proper themes site is required before a 3.0 release? 04.48.58 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.49.20 # Nope 04.49.28 # We want one, but won't let it stop a 3.0 release 04.49.52 # Instead we'll put up a static themes site, if necessary. No automated uploads, but a sampling (whatever we can make available of working themes) 04.51.45 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.22 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245022.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 04.56.01 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@pool-71-113-214-2.herntx.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.56.30 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.56.30 Part tmcarr 04.59.00 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF778B.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.01.27 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 05.01.58 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.02.25 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 05.04.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 05.06.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.28.15 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.30.04 # If I were to start a new thread to solicit suggestions for and act as an organization point for docs cleanup week, would it be better suited to the accouncements or general forum? 05.30.30 # Or maybe the wiki would be better for the organization... 05.30.34 # general probably 05.30.44 # discussion belongs in the forum 05.30.50 # General works. 05.31.16 # I'd also recommend a post to the user mailing list. It's a rather disorganized place, but it might call attention to it to some people who don't regular the forums. 05.31.48 # A wiki page might be useful for tracking what needs to be done, what has been done, and setting down guidelines. 05.31.53 # But chatter should stay in chatter channels 05.32.58 # True. It would be nice if one medium covered all the bases.. Anyway, off to sleep, ponder more tomorrow... See you gents.. 05.33.30 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 05.37.40 # I've completed a series of tests on ipod 5.5g with the OF using 320kbps, 256kbps, 192kbps and 128 kbps mp3 05.38.12 Quit m0f0x (Remote closed the connection) 05.38.13 # Tests for what? 05.38.23 # next I need to test RB 05.38.30 # uh, runtime tests 05.39.01 # they are on the IpodRuntime page 05.42.09 # on the topic of ipod runtime: they generally follow a pattern 05.42.30 # higher bitrate codecs use more battery power, which is already known 05.42.50 # and the OF seems to read from the disk from time to time 05.42.58 # which should be a bit similar to what RB does 05.46.43 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-7-61.dsl.telesp.net.br) 05.49.26 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 05.56.37 Join maffe [0] (n=Martin_F@p5B041995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.56.44 # Hi 06.01.30 # in general, is it ok to rename other people's attachments? 06.01.47 # Why do you need to? 06.01.54 # Generally speaking, it doesn't make sense to. 06.02.17 # I'm editing CFModGuide, and I see that the identify info attachments can use some cleanup 06.02.29 # for starters, we can tidify the names 06.02.49 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.03.51 # It seems a waste of work to me. 06.04.22 Quit Zom (Remote closed the connection) 06.04.31 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 06.04.34 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 06.04.39 # the thing is, is it offensive to the original uploader 06.04.53 # * wpyh wastes time all day anyway 06.05.22 # It would depend on their own opinions on the matter. 06.05.28 # If they thought their name is good, it might very well be. 06.05.56 # well, then I won't do that 06.08.10 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.08.33 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 06.12.43 Join DrBruce [0] (i=ltbot@117.80.25.195) 06.18.19 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.26.20 Quit Zarggg_ ("Pursued by a bear") 06.29.29 # Rockbox is so cool :D 06.30.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort what does the 10 % at Power handling mean? 06.30.50 # In other words: What is there to improve? 06.31.52 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 06.32.49 Quit DrBruce (" IRC 6.21 صַ http://www.gdhouqin.com/irc/ltbot.rar") 06.38.31 Join Popopxee [0] (i=IceChat7@117.80.25.195) 06.45.02 Nick Popopxee is now known as DrBruce (i=IceChat7@117.80.25.195) 06.46.59 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d191063.adsl.hansenet.de) 06.48.02 # maffe: Proper charging control in Rockbox, for one. 06.49.57 # 06.51.44 # v2 support :D 06.51.48 # for sansa 06.51.55 # is another one 06.52.08 # hm 06.52.15 # remote control for sansa etc 06.52.43 # tracker formats support since i do track songs :) 06.52.53 # ok I found http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12606 but the only problem I see with charging is that the green/red LED doesn't work 06.54.11 Nick DrBruce is now known as SxSBruce (i=IceChat7@117.80.25.195) 06.54.49 Join jameskeagie [0] (n=4babbd1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1c6efa8054cac4b4) 06.54.59 # hello 06.55.30 # read that before speak 06.57.01 # i had a quick question - does it take rockbox long to update the database? i read the manual and couldn't get an idea (5th gen ipod w/ video) 06.57.56 # depends how many files you have 06.58.34 # okay - probably 20k or so on an 80 gig ipod 06.59.40 # i understand initalizing the db would take longer, but is there any way to auto update the database? or write to the db as i add songs? 06.59.55 # or do most of you use a file tree structure to manage your music? 07.02.03 # Most of us use a file tree structure 07.02.12 # but you'll notice in the manual a description of the auto-update feature 07.02.41 # Initializing can take a while, and depend on several factors, so it's really impossible for us to guess. You just have to wait it out the first time 07.03.10 # yeah i saw that - only if file structure caching is enabled it said - file tree is probably what i would go with then 07.04.04 # one other question: alot of th wps themes say they require other builds, but that was quite a while ago...have features like the album art, and album art resize/scrolling patches etc. been added to the standard build now? 07.04.22 # i tried the forums, but couldn't find any mention of recent builds other than the standard one 07.04.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.09 Quit _vertic23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.06.40 # Many features have been incorporated 07.06.45 # In fact the only major one not is Multifont 07.06.53 # But any of those themes won't work anyway, since many other things have changed 07.07.34 # yeah i saw that on the forums 07.07.40 # what themes are you all using in the meantime? 07.08.20 # i found a few on the forums some had fixed, and read the standards but wasn't familiar enough to edit them 07.08.53 # I just use the default, or on certain players, a simple one I've hacked together on my own 07.09.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5#cowonV2 I think I'll use that 07.09.58 # just search the websit 07.11.31 # ok - thanks for the info - wanted to talk to a few people running it before i installed it - got a brand new ipod and figured i'd start out w/ something nice haha 07.11.53 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.12.03 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 07.15.16 # maybe the most thing for me the ipod is rockbox then:-) 07.16.58 # Can the audio be visualised? 07.17.14 # Only in a limited fashion 07.17.23 # Nobody who's interested in such a feature has gone on to actually work on it 07.18.30 # And what can be done already? 07.19.11 # Peak meter maybe? 07.19.13 # There's an oscilloscope and a VU Meter plugin. 07.19.25 # And there's a basic peak meter that can be displayed within the WPS itself. 07.19.36 # :) 07.20.36 # whos actually working on M6 Rockbox besides markun? 07.23.32 # * SxSBruce is now away - Reason : Eating 07.24.56 Nick miepchen^schlaf_ is now known as miepchen^schlaf (n=miepchen@p54BF778B.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.31.23 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.32.13 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3676e2a4b3d81340) 07.32.55 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 07.44.19 # * SxSBruce is no longer away : Gone for 20 minutes 47 seconds 07.44.36 Join Al_Touriste [0] (n=ltourist@ARouen-152-1-93-134.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.44.39 # * SxSBruce is now away - Reason : Eating - an elephant 07.45.36 # SxSBruce, please do not spam the channel with the away messages 07.47.59 # noooo spam,just wanna change an away message 07.48.27 Quit jameskeagie ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.58.04 Quit midgey () 07.58.06 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 07.58.32 Quit LTourist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.59.03 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.02.51 Quit m0f0x () 08.02.55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD3C9.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.03.22 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 08.03.30 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 08.14.14 Join J-23_ [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.14.24 Nick J-23_ is now known as J-23__ (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.14.38 Nick J-23__ is now known as J-23_ (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.14.45 Quit J-23 (Nick collision from services.) 08.15.08 Nick J-23_ is now known as J-23 (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.18.36 Quit maddler (Network is unreachable) 08.20.40 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.55 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.21.42 Quit simonrvn (Remote closed the connection) 08.24.17 # * amiconn wonders what's wrong with his H340's battery :/ 08.25.05 # * LinusN too 08.25.08 # * GodEater guesses it's the wrong shade of purple 08.25.12 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 08.25.53 # I charged it before devcon, and only used it like an hour or so, for gfx testing 08.26.04 # Now it tells me that the battery is almost empty 08.26.07 Join jameskeagie [0] (n=4babbd1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0ba34e81c187d916) 08.26.14 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 08.26.24 # does anyone here use amarok? 08.26.28 # amiconn: well, i guess it's dead then 08.27.13 # sounds like the behaviour my H140 battery exhibited for a while. I had to replace it 08.27.35 # my iaudio battery did that before i replaced it 08.27.39 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 08.27.54 # jameskeagie: just so you don't fell ignore: no i don't use amarok 08.27.55 # * GodEater hopes LinusN laughs at the latest "London social meet" post... 08.28.04 # * GodEater does use Amarok 08.28.22 # GodEater: HAHAHA 08.28.31 # phew! 08.28.46 # godeater - how do you get your album artwork to rockbox? 08.28.59 # jameskeagie: rsync 08.29.02 # i've looked at scripts - but they only convert the currently playing file? 08.29.12 # convert it to what ? 08.29.56 # do you just have amarok save the album artwork into your album folder? 08.30.18 # * GodEater struggles to remember 08.30.21 # I think so 08.30.32 # are you using the Rockbox AA art script that's floating about for amarok ? 08.30.33 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.30.36 # some imbed the artwork, some extract it from the amarok db to sync etc (i've decided to get the most out of rockbox i can't use amarok to sync) 08.30.57 Join macdaddy2201 [0] (n=macdaddy@206.255.222.9) 08.30.59 # that seems to be the best way, thanks for showing me rsync 08.31.03 # hey 08.31.07 # no problem 08.31.22 # * GodEater doesn't really feel like he's answered any questions, but if it's lead you in the right direction - hey! 08.31.34 # does the rockbox program run in leopard 08.31.50 # macdaddy2201: which program? RockboxUtility you mean ? 08.31.58 # yeah 08.32.02 # and does anyone know of any cool themes that are working on the current build? I couldn't find any flashy/simple ones w/ pretty shiny graphics to try out my new rockbox install :P 08.32.28 # * GodEater uses the Rockbox default theme (CabbieV2) these days 08.32.32 # i searched the forums for a minute, but gave up after i could only find two that were jus tokay 08.32.43 # jameskeagie: you could always fix the ones you want working 08.32.53 # the fixes are fairly trivial if I understand correctly 08.33.05 # you'd be helping the Rockbox project if you did... 08.33.13 # i read the standards... 08.33.29 # but didn't see where the tags changed (somewhere i read which ones had changed, but now how etc.) 08.34.41 # I think we have a couple of forum threads where JdGordon has said what the tags need to change to 08.35.26 # macdaddy2201: i don't know if it works on leopard or not - why not try it? 08.35.47 # i did but it crashes 08.35.56 # okay i'll look it up - and amarok doesn't have the option to safe album artwork in the directory of the file 08.35.59 # so i guess not then 08.36.02 # it saves it all in a database 08.36.33 # jameskeagie: there's a script which pulls it out of that for you 08.37.40 # jameskeagie: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37920 08.38.39 # that's a better version than the one I used originally - this one has been updated to automatically save the covers to your Rockbox device too - which means you won't need rsync 08.38.42 # ya i saw that before 08.38.57 # do you install that into amarok? i must have been missing some dependencies 08.41.16 # macdaddy2201: any clues at all why it crashes? 08.41.36 # jameskeagie: let's take this to #rockbox-community, as it's not strictly Rockbox related 08.42.01 # ok 08.42.15 # be there in one minute 08.42.30 Quit Zom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.42.58 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 08.43.43 # umm it might have been writen for tiger 08.43.43 Quit jameskeagie ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.43.48 Join jameskeagie [0] (n=4babbd1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-19913919a2f15d81) 08.43.49 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.44.06 # macdaddy2201: it's not been written targetting *any* specific version of OSX 08.44.32 # hmm 08.44.54 Join jameskeagie_ [0] (n=chatzill@75-171-189-27.hlrn.qwest.net) 08.44.59 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-174.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 08.46.29 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.46.38 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 08.46.41 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 08.49.12 # macdaddy2201: it just crashes, without any error message whatsoever? 08.49.18 Quit jameskeagie ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.49.20 Quit macdaddy2201 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.49.21 Nick jameskeagie_ is now known as jameskeagie (n=chatzill@75-171-189-27.hlrn.qwest.net) 08.52.21 # that would make debugging OSX apps impressively obscure 08.52.22 Part Dangalario 08.52.25 Quit maffe (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 08.53.04 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 08.53.29 # good god, where on *earth* did I get this track from 08.53.41 # it's a duet between T.a.T.u and Rammstein 08.53.45 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.53.53 # GodEater: ouch 08.54.18 # sounds...interesting... 08.55.18 Join maddler [0] (n=maddler@cabbage.komputika.net) 08.56.09 # it was.... 08.56.14 # it wasn't entirely crap :) 08.57.45 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.58.05 # good lord, it appears there's an entire *album* of them together 08.58.08 Quit J-23 (Remote closed the connection) 08.58.10 # * GodEater is somewhat amazed 08.58.17 Join Zom_ [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 09.00.22 # does http://pastebin.ca/1060300 look fishy to anyone else? It looks like it will only clear the first scrolling line in a viewport instead of every one when lcd_scroll_stop is called? 09.03.02 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.03.27 # JdGordon: it certainly looks wrong 09.04.03 # should probably be more like if(y >= 0) return: 09.04.21 # GodEater: that sounds kinda mad 09.04.33 # in a potentially good way 09.04.34 # heh 09.04.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.04.45 # i'll have to look it up :p 09.05.09 # LinusN: :) thats what I thought... also, I'd like to change that so it will stop scrolling lines in other viewports which are "under/overlapping" current_vp... objections? 09.05.37 # JdGordon: i don't have any objections, how often does that happen? 09.05.57 # i mean, how often is this function called? 09.06.04 Join fiftysixer [0] (n=fiftysix@adsl-76-233-71-53.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 09.06.24 # currently, not often, but if we start getting screens popping up above others it will cause problems 09.06.37 # I mean, while every screen steals the entire display wwe are ok 09.07.49 # hey i've got a strange question 09.08.07 # anyone know if its possible for the ipod nano 1st gen to boot up a linux kernel? 09.08.23 # (or any *nix, really) 09.08.35 # ipodlinux 09.08.54 # fiftysixer: yes it is 09.09.18 # problem is, 09.09.23 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6c109087772d9796) 09.09.38 # wow, ipodlinux.org is suspended... 09.09.47 # I assume I'd need to use ext or hfs or something, and I use winxp which won't be able to read that 09.09.55 Join Zom__ [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 09.10.08 # anyone have experience with this? :p 09.10.52 # isn't there an #ipodlinux channel? 09.11.03 # those naughty hackers! 09.11.24 # oh there IS another chan :p 09.11.30 # thanks LinusN, i'll ask there 09.11.37 # from wikipedia: "On June 11, 2008 the organization's website was suspended and replaced with a redirect to a blank page. Project leaders announced in their IRC channel that they were moving to a new dedicated server on a new location." 09.13.01 # well, they still got a sourceforge project page 09.13.59 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 09.18.23 # well #ipodlinux seems dead...and I assume I could just use the FAT filesystem... 09.18.38 Quit Zom (Connection timed out) 09.18.54 Join maffe [0] (n=Martin_F@p5B041995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.19.15 # Now I have dualboot for my X5L :)) 09.19.15 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.21.02 Join merbz1 [0] (n=benlar@193.13.246.198) 09.21.06 # k well i had a ton of .m4a's that were ripped in itunes f/m my cd's 09.21.18 # they play in amarok (which doesn't play DRM) but not in rockbox 09.21.41 # right, so assuming they're not excessively long, I suspect they're not in "streamable" format 09.21.45 # which means they need fixing 09.21.53 # * GodEater will now try to remember how to do that 09.22.27 # foobar can 09.23.10 # i only had about a dozen cd's worth, so i may just say screw it lol 09.23.20 # foobar is windows though 09.23.23 # our man here is using linux 09.23.34 # i've got virtual box :P 09.23.39 # * GodEater wouldn't say screw it to 12 entire CDs of music 09.23.57 # it runs under wine... but I think MP4box can do it too 09.24.07 # jameskeagie: I think you need the mpeg4ip-utils package (assuming you're running ubuntu / debian) 09.24.13 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-186-33.psoas.suomi.net) 09.24.15 # that has the mp4creator program in it 09.24.17 # * JdGordon wonders why this bug hasnt been reported..... 09.24.19 # maybe mpeg4ip too 09.24.19 # which you can use to fix them 09.24.20 Quit Zom_ (Connection timed out) 09.24.25 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3043.gwdg.de) 09.24.26 # I must be missing something.. 09.24.30 # Nico_P: Lear claims it can 09.24.31 Quit crope` (Client Quit) 09.24.39 # we need a aacfix plugin 09.24.41 # apparently you run "mp4creator -optimize" on them 09.24.42 # JdGordon: which bug? 09.24.49 # markun: that would be a good plan 09.24.55 # GodEater: yes, exactly! :) 09.24.56 # or is it a problem of the mp4 container? 09.25.00 # I couldn't remember 09.25.06 # or a codec which doesn't need them in streamable format in the first place ? 09.25.19 # markun: I've no idea - you'd have to ask Lear 09.25.23 # or possibly linuxstb 09.25.23 # pixelma: I'm almost sure there is a bug in the scroll engine where it would only stop one scrolling line... 09.25.54 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 09.25.56 # it either isnt a bug, or because of how scroll_Stop is called its being avoided... 09.26.12 # but stupid kate in kde4 is broken so i cant use find in files... 09.26.19 # * JdGordon liks his ...'s 09.26.35 # JdGordon: wth is wrong with "grep" ? :) 09.26.46 # I failed grep 09.27.01 # epic fail ? 09.27.02 # it searches all the binary files and patch files which isnt useful 09.27.23 # find . -name "*.c" -exec grep "thingy" ? 09.27.33 # -name .. 09.27.42 # ARRR... i knew thats what i was missing 09.27.55 # find . *.c -exec grep -nr scroll_stop '{}' \; 09.28.02 # it's not often I get to make you feel stupid. I may mark this down in the diary. 09.28.12 # just man grep lol 09.28.19 # thats the command i use most often 09.28.21 # it wasn't grep he failed on 09.28.24 # it was the find command 09.28.31 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-186-33.psoas.suomi.net) 09.28.46 # can someone tell me what's wrong with my iriver? http://www.flickr.com/photos/pengo-au/2627240261/ 09.28.47 # you'll need the "" marks too Jd 09.28.49 # JdGordon: maybe that's the reason for FS#9140? I think I always see two lines scrolling but didn't think about it (if the title needs to scroll there's another one needing to scroll too) 09.28.54 # or else the shell will expand the *.c 09.29.18 # pixelma: can you try a really quick patch? 09.29.31 # although, I dont tinhk that will fix the issue because its different viewports 09.29.42 # but yes, thats why I found myself in the scroll code 09.29.49 # depends on how quick I have to try... 09.30.04 # ah, ok. Almost thought so 09.31.48 # amiconn, could you take a look at this please : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17467.0 09.31.52 # I had the M4A locking up the database but not the files 09.31.56 # JdGordon: an alternative: find . -name "*.c"|xargs grep scroll_stop 09.32.00 # and if you can, fill them in on the right way to call dd for windows ? 09.32.04 Quit Zom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.32.15 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 09.32.40 # cheers LinusN 09.33.24 # it seems only the quickscreen and WPS could be affected by this 09.33.26 # xargs ftw 09.33.38 # when i initialize my database its finding 5 hundred or so files when i've only loaded a hundred or less 09.33.47 # and both would be fully redrawn after exiting which is probaly why its gone unnoticed 09.34.22 # jameskeagie: do you mean in the splash while initializing? 09.34.27 # yeah 09.34.42 # and once i try to play any .m4a (unstreamable i guess) no other files will load 09.35.16 # in the splash all files are counted, not only music files. 09.35.35 # oh ok 09.35.38 # that explains it 09.35.41 Quit Zom__ (Connection timed out) 09.36.28 Quit merbzt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.37.44 Join Zom_ [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 09.37.59 # jameskeagie: the package you need is mpeg4ip-server btw for the mp4creator program to fix your m4a files 09.38.10 Quit Zom (Connection reset by peer) 09.39.02 # is rockbox based on a *nix kernel? 09.39.20 # no 09.39.23 # fiftysixer, nope built from the ground up 09.39.25 # hrmm 09.39.27 # fiftysixer: no, it is written from scratch 09.39.27 # alright 09.39.34 # hah helpful chan :p 09.39.37 # * LinusN is too slow today 09.39.39 # * GodEater wonders why so many people ask that question 09.39.45 # me too 09.39.48 # cause they see podlinux 09.39.54 # so ? 09.39.55 # i'm asking cause that makes it easier for me to mod it 09.40.03 # and people assume if its not windows, and its not mac, its must be unix? 09.40.04 # fiftysixer: is that so? 09.40.11 # but ipodlinux seems dead so i'll give rockbox a try 09.40.29 # * GodEater never saw the point of ipodlinux =/ 09.40.31 # fiftysixer: that depends on what your goal is 09.40.33 # LinusN, unless rockbox is easy to mod? 09.40.37 # fiftysixer: what would you like to mod? 09.40.45 # and what do you mean by "mod" ? 09.40.50 # no real 'goal', i'm just one of those people that has to tweak every line of code... 09.40.56 # anyone know a linux command to add a line to your right click menu to open a terminal f/m the path of the window your in? 09.41.01 # but i'd like to end up with a nice tiny little media center 09.41.07 # if not - i think i have my next project lol 09.41.15 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c822f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0d83e36320facff8) 09.41.17 # jameskeagie: that would depend entirely on what window manager you're running 09.41.26 Join Lambdumb [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 09.41.31 # nautilus 09.41.31 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.41.37 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d191063.adsl.hansenet.de) 09.41.37 # jameskeagie: and is once again off topic for this channel 09.41.38 # :D 09.41.42 Nick JdGordon|uni is now known as JdGordon_ (i=d31c822f@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.41.44 # oops 09.41.45 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.41.46 # fiftysixer: if you want media playback, i think you will be better off with rockbox 09.41.49 # nautilus is a file manager, not a window manager 09.41.58 # LinusN, yeah, i'm browsing the website right now 09.42.23 # jameskeagie: better to go to #rockbox-community I think 09.42.25 # fiftysixer: as i see it, ipodlinux is about running linux, not actually using the player :-/ 09.42.27 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 09.42.47 # LinusN, seems to me that ipodlinux is more of a base right now for more to come 09.43.00 # fiftysixer: don't hold your breath 09.43.04 # heh 09.43.24 # since someone could mod a pre-existing app to work, since it *is* supposedly the same kernel and codebase 09.43.29 # they've not done any significant kernel development for years now 09.43.37 # yeah i noticed that... 09.43.51 # the last change they did I think was to support the 80GB 5.5G 09.43.52 # GodEater: maybe they don't need to? 09.43.58 # markun: touche ;) 09.44.15 # markun, there's ALWAYS coding to be done :p 09.44.52 # let's just say that rockbox and ipodlinux don't share the same goal 09.44.53 # fiftysixer: but maybe they think the kernel is good enough and focus on applications 09.45.30 # ok two random questions: 09.45.31 # anyway, I'll stop speculating about ipodlinux 09.45.44 # 1. is there a divx codec with rockbox? 09.45.49 # no 09.45.50 # 1. no 09.46.07 # mpeg1 and 2 only for video playback currently 09.46.09 # and 2. is it easier to install this from a windows xp or CLI debian box? :p 09.46.12 # fiftysixer: there is an xvid patch in the tracker, but not really a video player 09.46.16 # ah 09.46.17 # 2. doesn't make any difference 09.46.27 # alrighty then...here goes 09.46.38 # we're platform agnostic :) 09.47.03 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 09.47.16 # fiftysixer: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 09.47.31 # hrmm 09.47.46 # * jameskeagie is converting his few .m4a's to .mp3's..... 09.48.06 # jameskeagie: wuss ;) 09.48.08 # i know 09.48.10 # haha 09.48.28 Quit merbz1 ("Leaving.") 09.48.35 # it was native in linux and fast f/m the command line lol 09.48.53 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf34@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06a7a77e02e42cd4) 09.48.59 # * GodEater would have thought the mp4creator tool would have been just as fast, and wouldn't have lost audio quality either 09.49.11 # i'm still keeping the originals 09.49.33 # find . -name "*.m4a" | xargs mp4creator -optimize 09.49.51 # showoff 09.50.02 # hardly 09.51.27 # linuxstb_: you round? 09.51.35 # * jameskeagie - sigh... 09.51.48 # alright where do i find mp4creator - its not in any of the repositories for hardy 09.53.06 # jameskeagie: I think it's part of mpeg4ip 09.53.23 # JdGordon: doesn't fix the problem 09.53.54 Join Dangalario [0] (n=Dangalar@c213-100-135-215.swipnet.se) 09.54.14 # jameskeagie: I just checked and it is. Can you find that in a repository? 09.54.16 # hello i got a problem with rockbox utility 09.54.30 # Dangalario, what is it 09.54.30 # Dangalario: what kind of problem? 09.54.49 # download error recieved http error 204 with rockbox utility 09.54.49 # pixelma: ok, didnt think so :( 09.55.04 # trying to install to a sansa c250 V1 09.55.57 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.56.04 # tried to download pp5022.mi4 09.56.32 # any way to make the program think it's downloaded and save it manually somewhere? 09.56.41 Quit austriancoder ("leaving") 09.57.10 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.57.40 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.58.10 # Dangalario: alternatively you could try the manual install method using sansapatcher. instructions should be in the manual. 09.58.10 # Dangalario: there should be a cache folder somewhere, but I don't know enough about the rockbox utility. I hope someone else can answer it. 09.58.34 Join manny530 [0] (n=ycmanny_@c-67-161-175-57.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.58.47 # no chmod on this pc 09.59.02 # thats why i try the installer 09.59.18 # i had a question 09.59.38 # does rockbox have anykind of sleep mode 09.59.44 # manny530: no 09.59.44 # manny530: no, not yet 09.59.56 # Dangalario, there is a windows sansapatcher the last i looked 10.00.16 # where at? 10.00.17 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.00.44 Join nick89 [0] (n=nick89@58.174.38.229) 10.00.58 # ahh nm i fixed the installer :D 10.00.58 # Dangalario: linked from the manual 10.01.05 # oo cuz i hate having to turn it off and turn it back on and for some reason my battery dies a lot faster by having to turn it off and back on 10.01.23 # is that normal 10.01.25 # Finally!!!! rockbox again :D 10.01.30 # or is it jus my ipod 10.01.51 # manny530: It saves battery if it is off for more than a certain time... 10.02.02 # What does "caption backlight" do? 10.02.05 # manny530: could also be a sign of a dying battery 10.02.11 # turns the backlight on when the track changes 10.02.15 # maffe: it turns the backlight on at track chagnes 10.02.15 # @maffe 10.02.21 # ok thanks 10.02.30 # manny530: and how old is your version of rockbox? 10.02.30 # maffe: The fine manual is there.... 10.02.40 # I'm reading it 10.02.48 # got these 2 sansas really chep both c250 like $30 for both =) 10.02.49 # maffe: turns on the backlight on track change 10.03.02 # maffe: Is caption backlight not in it? 10.03.14 # markun: 3rd ;) 10.03.19 # iits the newest ipod color/photo one that doesnt have the bug 10.03.21 # LCD settings are not included at all 10.03.22 # pixelma: oops ;) 10.03.32 # and I thought LinusN was slow today.. 10.03.42 # manny530: And your version of Rockbox? 10.04.18 # * pixelma is pretty sure having seen "Caption Backlight" in the manual because it had to be disabled for the Ondios... 10.04.26 # r17714 10.04.34 # maffe: page 56 10.05.02 # manny530: battery life should have been normal then 10.05.14 # oops 10.05.25 Quit courtc (Remote closed the connection) 10.05.32 # Where did I look at? :S 10.05.43 # maffe: sorry, it could be a different page, i was looking in the sansa c200 manual 10.05.51 # maybe its jus cuz i turn off and turn back on so often 10.05.58 # manny530: on hard disk targets i think the battery precentage that is shown directly after bootup is much lower than usual, maybe it is that waht you're seeing? 10.06.10 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-890005.7.2 there it's not mentioned 10.06.13 # manny530: Real words please :) 10.06.23 # but there: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1150007.5 10.06.47 # well...installed 10.06.48 # but even after that it dies like 3% 10.06.52 # 1. the autoinstaller == fail 10.06.58 # 2. rockbox == pretty cool so far :p 10.07.01 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 10.07.17 # manny530: anyway, I think many people would like a sleep mode, but it hasn't been done so far 10.07.30 # maffe: chapter 7 deals with the general settings in more detail 10.07.32 # * jameskeagie decided not to be so lazy and is now converting his m4a to NOT mp3 but ogg 10.07.45 # do any of u know if a future release will have sleep mode 10.07.55 # maffe: Personally I find the pdf version much easier - you can actually search it (and it looks nuicer) :) 10.07.59 # jameskeagie: so what about mp4creator? 10.08.05 # 10:04 BigBambi manny530: Real words please 10.08.13 # it's on page 55 in the x5 pdf manual :-) 10.08.19 # manny530: And if someone codes it, sure 10.08.28 # i installed mpeg4ip - couldnt' find mp4creator in there f/m the command line 10.08.31 # manny530: no-one can predict the future 10.08.52 # jameskeagie: really? how strange 10.08.52 # jameskeagie: it's in mpeg4ip-server, I said a few pages of chat ago 10.08.57 # manny530: I think, as Markun said, it is something people would welcome. However, it isn't an easy addition 10.09.02 # okay thanks for the help 10.09.13 # found a GUI in the repositories to convert any Gstream to ogg, flac, mp3, or some others 10.09.15 # GodEater: I also missed that, sorry 10.09.25 # its called soundconverter - may not be the fastest, but kinda cool 10.09.30 Part manny530 10.09.39 # jameskeagie: there is a transcodophobia in this channel 10.09.42 # jameskeagie: you're still losing audio quality though 10.09.49 # shoosh 10.09.52 # lol 10.10.15 # oh its in the server? 10.10.27 # hmm.....oh well ogg is good enough for my deaf ears 10.10.29 # * BigBambi still shudders at the guy in the forum trying to convince me that 48 kbps OGG produced from 192 kbps sounded good 10.10.49 # *192 kbps MP3 10.10.58 Quit SxSBruce (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.11.30 Join SxSBruce [0] (i=IceChat7@117.80.25.195) 10.11.46 # SxSBruce: hi, you were asking about me? 10.12.05 # hey is there a 'shuffle songs' feature in rockbox? 10.12.28 # fiftysixer: multiple :) 10.12.32 # fiftysixer: Yes, and the manual covers it 10.13.07 # i guess that depends how you define a 'shiffel songs' feature. 10.13.28 # *'shuffle songs' 10.13.29 # PaulJam: A feature that shuffles songs? 10.13.38 # oh i get it now 10.13.41 # nice :) 10.14.22 # fiftysixer: before you start asking to many more questions, I definitely recommend a read of the manual 10.14.39 # GodEater, yeah, i just found the manual, so i'm reading that now 10.14.39 # BigBambi: well, rockbox has no iriver-style shuffle mode for example. so if you expect something like that you're out of luck 10.14.42 # you know every time you say "Refer to the Fine Manual" it means there's a usability issue. 10.14.46 # didnt even realize there was one 10.15.08 # PaulJam: What does that do (apart from not shuffle properly)? 10.15.13 # pengo: not really 10.15.19 # pengo: I disagree 10.15.38 # pengo: I disagree 10.15.39 # pengo: there are just too many features 10.15.44 # fiftysixer: It is the "manual" link from every page of www.rockbox.org 10.15.51 # yeah 10.15.54 # * fiftysixer slaps himself 10.16.01 # pengo: but it's harder to fix those than to refer people :) 10.16.10 # markun: yah :) 10.16.27 # BigBambi: if it is enabled, it always shuffles throught all songs, even if you start playback from a the filetree (rockbox would only shuffle that folder) 10.16.33 # can someone double check this looks correct? http://pastebin.ca/1060321 it should return true if the scrolling line is in the "othervp", and by in I mean overlaps it at all... 10.16.42 Quit JdGordon_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 10.16.43 # * petur thinks rockbox usability is way better than h300 OF, for example 10.16.55 # * JdGordon back in 20 10.17.13 # petur: i dunno what h300 is like, but it's on par with H-120, which isn't saying much really. 10.17.16 # pengo: We would like to hear your suggestions for improvement though - I'm not saying it couldn't be better, just that telling someone to check the manual to discover a function of what is complex software doesn't itself mean that there is a problem 10.17.34 # PaulJam: OK, but Rockbox will do that too 10.18.05 # BigBambi: it's a pretty good sign.. i could give a diatribe about how rockbox should layout its buttons and menus but it'd never happen 10.18.16 # pengo: just have the h120 for a few days, will check its OF 10.18.29 # pengo: Well, I think you are wrong, so lets just agree to disagree 10.18.32 # s/for/since/ 10.18.52 # question what rockbox font(s) supports cyrillic input? 10.19.02 # petur: s/since/for 10.19.04 # :) 10.19.20 # pengo: why do you think that if you have a good suggestion for how we should layout our menus that it wouldn't happen ? 10.19.25 # Dangalario: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts 10.19.28 # it's a project we wanted done for google summer of code 10.19.29 # * petur updates his english knowledge 10.19.35 # Dangalario: check the UnicodeFonts page in the wiki 10.19.35 # but we didn't get any good takers as I recall 10.19.56 # pixelma: and this time you are 2nd :) 10.20.09 # better than 3rd :P 10.20.32 # thanks for all the help guys, this is a smart and fun community, i'll definitely be back again 10.20.54 # GodEater: because A) the buttons have never changed in rockbox before (in my years of usage), and B) because it'd be a major enough change on something people would be passionate about and it'd need a lot of discussion and pushing from someone who's less of an outsider than myself 10.21.01 # jameskeagie: there are a lot of people who think we are a bunch of unhelpful assholes 10.21.08 # so I'm happy to hear you say that 10.21.20 # and C) i don't know anything about how many / what buttons are available on any other devices other than my own 10.21.29 # haha those are probably people w/o the patience to try reading the manual first? 10.21.31 Quit nick89 ("Gotta Go") 10.21.34 # pengo: I would argue against button changes, menu changes I don't have a problem with 10.21.47 # BigBambi: see :) 10.21.54 # what? 10.21.57 # I wouldn't argue against them until I'd at least seen them 10.22.06 Part jameskeagie 10.22.11 # BigBambi: see, it wouldn't happen 10.22.18 # Well, OK - I'd certainly look 10.22.18 # and I also disagree that the buttons have never changed, we've had quite a few changes over the last year or so on some targets 10.22.41 # But I can see that the menus could be improved, but I think the buttons are pretty good 10.22.45 # so if you have a decent set of suggestions, *I* would really like to see them 10.22.47 # do people still use iriver H1xx ? 10.22.50 # Yes 10.22.51 # I do 10.22.57 # cool. i thought it was just me 10.23.00 # It is the best player Rockbox runs on 10.23.02 # it's my weapon of choice in the car 10.23.27 # I use the gigabeat F and S more day-to-day as they are smaller, but the H100 does it all 10.23.34 # so please, if you really do have suggestions - then submit them 10.23.47 # it's an area we're sorely in need of work on from someone who has good ideas 10.24.15 # pengo: As people who say I think this is wrong and then don't say how they would improve will of course be ignored 10.24.48 # well...i'm going to bed soon...but i'm pretty impressed :p 10.24.49 # well the least disruptive thing thing i'd do is have the "change tempo" screen automatically quit back to the now-playing screen after 30 seconds 10.24.55 # great software! 10.24.58 # fiftysixer: thanks :-) 10.25.01 # fiftysixer: even though it's not unix based :) 10.25.08 # lol 10.25.31 # * fiftysixer looks for source code ;) 10.25.37 # svn.rockbox.org 10.25.43 # pengo: After 30 seconds of not touching it? 10.25.46 # ugh...svn...alright :p 10.25.49 # BigBambi: yup 10.25.56 # fiftysixer: this might be useful as well http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 10.25.59 # pengo: we gennerally try not to change screens after timeouts 10.26.13 # markun, looks useful, thanks! 10.26.13 # LinusN: yeah i noticed. it's annoying 10.26.24 # fiftysixer: there's also a tarball and webinterface to svn 10.26.26 # pengo: I think that would be annoying 10.26.28 # pengo: i'd say changing screens automatically is annoying :-) 10.26.33 # pengo: we have quite some blind users 10.26.39 # * BigBambi agrees with LinusN 10.26.52 # LinusN: cause you go to hit pause/play and it doesn't work so you have to check the screen and see "oh i have to press stop first" and then pause. 10.26.55 # And as Markun says, automatic screen changes for blind users is not a good plabn 10.27.02 # uh.. i'd be screwed if i was blind 10.27.13 # well, I think you would get used to it 10.27.21 # cause i couldn't see that the screen is stuck in "change tempo" 10.27.23 # yes, we have a lot of happy blind "customers" 10.27.42 # some of them even listen to source code with text-to-speech while programming. Insane. 10.27.45 # I don't remember the keys on the pitch screen, so they could possibly be improved, but I wouldn't want timeouts 10.27.54 # blind users probably know better what they are doing and not hitting keys without thinking ;) 10.28.05 # it's just a basic modal problem 10.28.23 # is there a mode for blind users? 10.28.30 # no 10.28.53 # they just use our speech interface 10.28.53 # pengo: That would do what? 10.28.58 # markun: yeap,just wanna know whether u r the only one working on M6 port 10.29.01 # pengo: there is voice feedback, however 10.29.03 # pengo: so what you are suggesting is to always go back to the wps after a timeout? 10.29.14 # LinusN: if a track is playing. yes. 10.29.33 # urgh 10.29.41 # to be honest, that wouldn't bother me 10.29.43 # as a feature 10.29.43 # actually, it is a feature that quite a few people have requested over the years 10.29.48 # I want it to stay in the screen I want, not that it wants 10.29.48 # or at least have play/pause work in all screens 10.29.51 # provided the change was voiced too 10.29.59 # GodEater: exactly 10.30.07 # and volume work in all screens 10.30.11 # but that seems unlikely to work 10.30.13 # pengo: that will not happen 10.30.14 # If I put it in a screen it is as I want to be in that screen 10.30.33 # pengo: that would be impossible to make work on targets with limited numbers of buttons 10.30.35 # BigBambi: me too. but then if i leave it at that screen i probably don't want to be left on it 10.30.41 # I do 10.30.43 # BigBambi: then you won't enable the timeout-to-wps option 10.30.47 # pengo: it works on some players with dedicated volume buttons 10.30.47 # and we want to keep the interface consistent between targets 10.30.49 # If I want to change again, I will change it 10.31.03 # BigBambi: yeah but you're a control freak 10.31.10 # Excuse me? 10.31.14 # LinusN: another option ? :) Sacriledge! 10.31.17 # Isn't that the point of Rockbox? 10.31.20 # muhahahaaaaaa 10.31.36 # * GodEater goes hunting for the pitchforks and crowd of angry villagers 10.31.37 # To give me control to use my DAP how I want, not hopw someone else has decided is best? 10.31.48 # eh, I wouldn't want screens disappearing after a certain timeout 10.31.52 # BigBambi: yeah. so give me my options. 10.31.52 # too 10.31.58 # pixelma: then don't enable the option 10.32.17 # pengo: I don't object to the options too much 10.32.23 # so anyway.. apart from auto-flipping back to the WPS.. (which wont happen by the sounds of it)....... 10.32.24 # pengo: but then don't complain about menu layout... 10.32.40 # pixelma: oh i haven't begun on the menu layout 10.32.51 Join Glorfindel [0] (n=fake@ppp-69-223-56-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) 10.32.53 # pengo: However if you add all these options, how will that help your manu layout? 10.33.34 # BigBambi: well my problem with menu layout, isn't that there's too much stuff there.. it's that there's a context menu and a normal menu.. and what goes in which (to put it bluntly) seems almost arbitrary 10.34.06 # (in the WPS anyway) 10.34.08 # pengo: it mostly is... 10.34.11 # pengo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion 10.34.11 # pengo: I'd agree with that assement to a point 10.34.21 # wow 10.34.28 # i didn't expect agreement there 10.34.45 # i'd just scrap the context menu personally 10.34.47 # pengo: and I'd also say that from the sounds of it we *could* introduce an option for the "flip back to WPS" feature 10.34.59 # GodEater: i agree 10.35.04 # we need the context menu! 10.35.05 # GodEater: cool 10.35.15 # yeah, the context menu has to stay though 10.35.24 # there's a lot of features we need it for 10.35.30 # but it could probably be better organised 10.35.30 # * petur <3 context menu 10.35.31 # i'd just have the two menus combine 10.35.42 # pengo: by the way auto-return to the WPS from the pitch screen wouldn't help you if it will also reset the pitch again what I think it would do without further changes. And I think the better solution might be to have the possibility to keep the pitch when returning to the WPS manually, or do I miss something? 10.35.44 # cause i always hit the wrong one anyway and then try the other 10.35.53 # Context menu itself is essential, but what is on it could be better 10.36.05 # yeps 10.36.06 # pengo: like a context submenu in the main menu? 10.36.13 # pixelma: no i'd have it leave the pitch alone when it auto-flips back 10.36.24 # LinusN: or a main menu in the in the context one ;-) 10.36.27 # LinusN: yes. that's one way that i'd be happy with 10.36.30 # B4gder: yes! 10.36.31 # ;) 10.36.33 # B4gder: hehe, yes 10.36.34 # B4gder: and that's the other :) 10.37.07 # that won't please the "no! one more keypress!" crowd 10.37.17 # PaulJam: flawed how? 10.37.20 # or bothe, and an ugly hack te prevent recursion :) 10.37.24 # yes, but that needs preparation anyways and then I don't see why it needs to auto-return - just set pitch, return to WPS and you're done 10.37.24 # one question 10.37.39 # so pengo, I think you can see that if you're prepared to put the time in on proposing a more sane menu layout, we'll definitely be keen to see it 10.37.43 # can rockbox be installed on a c250 with latest sansa firmware ? 10.38.04 # LinusN: the freed up button that was the context button can be made programmable to do whatever those "no! one more keypress" people wnat 10.38.23 # * petur runs off screaming 10.38.30 # pengo: that won't please the "no! no custom menus!" crowd :-) 10.38.42 # No, context menu on a button must stay (IMO) 10.38.43 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.38.54 # LinusN: well it can default to saying "THIS BUTTON INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK" then 10.38.58 # i'm all ears regarding gui changes in general 10.39.20 # Me too - I think we all agree it could be better 10.39.21 # pengo: hahaha 10.39.22 # Dangalario: latest sansa firmware that's sooo accurate... Can you please give the version number to help us answering the question? 10.39.23 # pengo: :-) 10.39.45 # pixelma: can you try another patch? 10.39.51 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.39.59 # I'm confused. How do I put newlines in a viewport in a wps file? 10.40.26 # hit "enter" in your text editor ? 10.40.32 # Enter? 10.40.38 # too slow :: 10.40.39 # JdGordon: if a folder from the list is picked that has no music in it, but one of the subdirs contain music, then that is played (instead of picking a new random directory). so some folders have a higher chance of being played. i noticed that while putting some debug output in the code while investigateing FS#7077. 10.40.51 # and the biggest thing i'd like is that when you hit the "Go to the next folder of songs" button that it bookmarks your place cause it's really easy to accidentally hit on this iriver remote and it shits me to tears 10.40.57 # JdGordon: sure 10.41.04 # That didn't seem to do anything, I already tried it... also tried making the width of the viewport the same as the bitmap, and it just cut it off :( 10.41.26 # New line for text or bitmap? 10.41.31 # bitmap 10.41.35 # And do you have overlapping viewports? 10.41.41 # PaulJam: ah yes... I have been meaning to fix that 10.41.48 # pengo, i only have one issue with the keymap, but i am not fighting to get it changed 10.41.48 # well you position the bitmap with the co-ordinates 10.41.58 # realtive to the viewport they are in 10.42.05 # *relative 10.42.17 # oh crap, I see it now >< where you preload! Thanks! 10.42.28 # hehe 10.42.36 # well g'nite all, and again - this is amazing...can't wait to start code-digging :) 10.42.39 # we're having a few facepalm moments today 10.42.46 # advcomp2019: yah. i'll just shut up and give up. my iriver's on the way out anyway ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/pengo-au/2627240261/ ) 10.42.56 # 01.01.00 for c250 can be rockboxed? 10.43.05 # (the main controls have already died) 10.43.18 # pengo: why are you going to give up, I thought we were being pretty positive here ? 10.43.33 # GodEater: cause i'm a defeatist. 10.43.53 # GodEater: thanks for the feedback tho :) 10.44.06 # * GodEater is speechless 10.44.25 # Dangalario: yes 10.44.53 # thanx alot is it any good btw? 10.45.20 # GodEater: yeah i'm looking at the wiki 10.45.31 # * BigBambi wonders what the hell the point of that discussion was 10.46.09 # so do i 10.46.44 # pengo: fyi, that is your remote, not the h120 :p 10.46.51 # ok how do i find out if my version of c250 is with fm or not? 10.46.58 # petur: yeah but the buttons on the h120 are already dead :) 10.47.22 # pengo: treat your next player better 10.47.51 # and your other gear too, it will save you money 10.47.58 # petur: never! if i can't keep it in my pocket and throw it around there's no point having it 10.48.26 # Dangalario: you might find that your c200 has a radio even if there is no option for it in the sansa firmware. You don't need to know it if you want to install Rockbox 10.48.53 # pengo: when the player is dead, donate/sell it for parts please, many people are looking for spare parts 10.48.54 # petur: i think it's done pretty well for 5 years of abuse 10.49.07 # petur: good point.. will do 10.49.31 # yea but isnt it good to update sansa firmware im tired of updating database stuff in original firmware.. 10.50.06 # and there are two firmwares on sansa site once for fm and another one without 10.50.16 # JdGordon: that patch gives warnings and a compile error in scroll_engine.c (compiling a c200 sim) 10.51.39 # pixelma: sorry.. forgot to check a compile 10.54.54 # Dangalario: I don't know of any sansa firmware versions that don't have that database refresh. Discussing the OF would also be off-topic here and I guess you won't find many people here who knows anything about it 10.55.23 Quit SxSBruce ("Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.") 10.56.24 # PaulJam: it shuold never jump to a directory without any tracks in it should it? 10.57.22 # I think check_subdir_for_music() just needs to be changed to check the single folder and always ignore subdirs 10.57.32 # The refreshing thing doesn't seem to happen if I have rockbox installed and turn it on by plugging in the USB cable... only happens when I turn it on and hit previous track button to boot into the OF. 10.58.26 # Glorfindel: you have an e200 series Sansa, I guess? 10.58.59 # yes, e250 refurb... just got it a couple days ago :) 10.59.29 # ... maybe not 11.00.09 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE20D39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.00.48 # Glorfindel: suppressing the OF's database refresh works on most e200s with Rockbox but not on c200s, the OF deals a bit differently with it on the latter 11.01.41 # Ah, sorry, I assumed they'd be the same in that respect. 11.02.04 # JdGordon: check_subdir_for_music() is also used for the normal folder advance, where it needs to check the subdirs. in my solution i added another parameter to this function that tells if it should check for music in subdirs (and if this is false, then return (with a negative value) before checking in subdirs). Unfortunately i can't post a patch because of the realname policy. 11.02.32 # thats what I was about to do... but I;m not sure thats required 11.04.12 # * JdGordon just noticed reset settings doesnt change the language?! 11.04.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.57 # Dangalario: just making sure - the firmware version that's currently on your c200 is a v01.xx.xx, no v03.xx.xx ? 11.06.33 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 11.07.05 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 11.08.14 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.08.33 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 11.09.36 # JdGordon: That's on purpose 11.10.35 # ? 11.11.20 # Yay! Finally got my Code Geass theme looking alright. 11.12.50 # Is there any way to snap a screenshot from the actual player? I don't have a simulator that will work with it (it uses the multifont stuff). 11.13.00 # Glorfindel: in the manual again ;) 11.13.05 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.13.26 # JdGordon: seems to stop the problem but arouses another: now some lines in the WPS that need to scroll don't (looks like only the last line does when it needs to) 11.14.35 # GodEater: are you sure? 11.14.42 # Glorfindel: i use a camera.. but i dont read manuals :) 11.15.10 # Heh, I'm scouring the manual... I don't think my camera would take a very good shot of it 11.15.40 # Glorfindel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump 11.15.41 # Glorfindel: If it isn't, in the debug menu there is an option for enable screen dumps or some such. Enable it, then insert the USB cable 11.15.55 Quit maffe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") 11.16.03 # GodEater: but the database.ignore is in the manual 11.16.22 # Glorfindel: Or just look at pixelma's handy link :) 11.16.37 # Thanks for the link 11.16.58 # pixelma: We don't have that in the manual either? 11.17.13 # Bloody hell, I'm going to stop referring people to the manual now until I've committed the entire thing to memory 11.17.25 # GodEater: I guess not as it is in the debug menu 11.17.47 # as BigBambi said earlier, the PDF is fine for searches... 11.19.00 # it's too late to rename database.ignore and unignore the exclude and include, right? 11.19.48 # The only problem with include is that it sounds like it is necessary in all folders 11.19.58 # true 11.20.04 # i.e. if you don't have it the folder won't be included 11.20.21 # and yes, unfortunately the manual lacks some information and one has to be carefull to refer people to it (I often check first). That was one reason why the documentation cleanup week was suggested 11.20.30 # .ignore isn't to bad, but unignore is not a nice word :) 11.21.06 # s/to/too 11.21.07 # :) 11.21.29 # many thanks :) 11.22.22 Join maffe [0] (n=Martin_F@p5B041995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.22.45 # the 2.5 release for the archos has been dumped hasnt it? 11.23.02 # AAC playback is very slow :( Maybe 1 s playback and then 3 s pause 11.23.08 # (X5L) 11.23.47 # maybe a file with SBR? 11.23.54 # yes 11.24.10 # about 24 kbps 11.24.23 # SBR is very CPU intensive 11.24.28 # I just tried that out 11.24.29 # ok 11.25.18 # It could still probably use some tweaking, but heres the theme. Its based heavily off "Kore" so I need to ask that guy before I take any credit or distribute it. 11.25.22 # http://glorf.com/rb_theme.html 11.25.38 # Can SBR be turned off in the decoder? 11.26.14 # I know it wouldn't sound very good then, but better than stuttering 11.26.33 # I think it can be turned off 11.26.35 # pixelma: the WPS?! thats odd 11.26.55 # maffe: but yes, it will sound pretty bad, at half the samplerate. 11.28.24 # JdGordon: I'll check an unpatched one again, but don't think I've ever seen this before 11.28.39 # dont bother... just checked here... 11.28.42 # its broken 11.28.45 # bugger 11.29.01 # intresting the sansa c250 rockbox can't browse folders in root 11.29.38 # yes it can 11.29.44 # oh 11.29.49 # for voice podcasts it might be good enough without SBR 11.29.59 # i had to put my files inside system 11.30.02 # Dangalario: you need to change it to show all files 11.30.15 # ahh a simple option 11.30.21 # thx mate 11.30.43 # Dangalario: sure it can, but I guess you only used the folder structure that was on there before and the Sansa firmware hides its folders by default and Rockbox doesn't show hidden folders or files by default 11.31.02 # heh musta forgotten that 11.31.09 # pixelma: the problem I think is that the supplied themes have overlapping viewports, so its working as it should 11.31.20 # i was kinda used to e260 v1 11.31.25 # JdGordon: I don't understand? 11.31.30 # yeah, finally I can listen to my 48 kHz FLAC files :D 11.31.32 # dont worry then 11.31.40 # and now c250 seems somehow diffrent in control 11.31.51 # i like the wheel bettrer 11.31.53 # :) 11.31.58 # JdGordon: I'm testing with my own WPS if that makes any difference 11.32.08 # does it have any viewports? 11.32.31 # maffe: I'm looking at the source to see how it can be disabled 11.32.34 # sure, but they aren't overlapping I think, you could check... 11.32.43 # yeah, pastebin the wps 11.33.43 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 11.33.50 # I'm impressed :) 11.34.54 # (I installed Rockbox today after I discovered dual boot) 11.35.07 # pixelma: wierd logic error... fixed it, but need to figure out a cleaner fix 11.35.18 # maffe: I see there is also a SBR_LOW_POWER define, maybe it will speed things up 11.38.24 # Bagder: Why does rockbox-fonts.zip contain an empty database.ignore file? 11.39.07 # no idea 11.39.09 # database.ignore files are always empty 11.39.20 # ah then that's why 11.39.25 # to ignore the fonts dir 11.39.30 # I guess 11.39.34 # B4gder: but it's in .rockbox 11.40.05 # (I didn't know that's how database.ignore worked, then it's not a problem as such, but still weird) 11.40.11 # then it'll ignore the complete .rockbox with its subfolders unless in one of them is a database.unignore 11.40.39 # and the usual build zips also contain it 11.40.42 # But still, that should be in the rockbox main zip (which it is) 11.40.44 # I think it was mainly done to speed thing but, but now everything is scanned regardless of database.unignore 11.40.47 # Why put it in the fonts as well? 11.41.17 # maybe to be "on the safe side"? 11.41.29 # or just a mistake 11.41.33 # Just means the user gets a "replace database.ignore" prompt when unzipping 11.42.00 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.42.06 # It's not .rockbox/fonts/database.ignore, but .rockbox/database.ignore 11.42.17 Join Noober [0] (i=crakmnky@adsl-68-127-27-104.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 11.42.21 # yeah, understood 11.43.37 # is anyone here that grant Wiki write permissions? 11.43.50 Nick Noober is now known as cRAKmONKY (i=crakmnky@adsl-68-127-27-104.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 11.44.22 # Yes (and what a terribly annoying nick!) 11.44.49 # maffe: it doesn't compile with SBR_LOW_PWER 11.45.20 # :/ 11.53.49 Quit cRAKmONKY (Remote closed the connection) 11.53.53 Join mf0102_ [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 11.54.03 Join cRAKmONKY [0] (i=crakmnky@adsl-68-127-27-104.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 11.55.16 Quit cRAKmONKY (Client Quit) 11.58.02 Quit mf0102 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.58.43 # JdGordon: updated to SVN and the scrolling lines problem in the WPS is there with my WPS and with cabbiev2 too (only the next song info line scrolls), no problems with iCatcher as it doesn't use viewports at all I guess 11.59.01 # * JdGordon was afraid of that 11.59.20 # bugger :( 11.59.29 # can you pastebin your wps? 12.01.04 # if you can make sense of it :P (actually it's hard to read it myself...) 12.01.31 # im getting better at the wps syntax :) 12.01.41 Quit maffe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 12.01.58 # want to test something before 12.04.59 # hmm... seems like it is my WPS :\ 12.07.08 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 12.07.21 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.07.25 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 12.09.22 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2235.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.13.15 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf34@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-96ba0df042dc0b00) 12.15.15 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.16.58 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 12.36.39 # Does anyone know if RaeNye ever got anywhere with porting lua? 12.37.24 # I'm having a go at porting it as a viewer, but it's segfautling deep in the bowels of lua 12.39.29 # * GodEater thinks it's good to see such trivial features being added ;) 12.40.27 # well I figure a simple scripting language might make it easier for some people to develop plugins 12.40.41 # very true I expect 12.41.00 # does it segfault in the sim too ? 12.41.06 # or is that the only place you're running it so far ? 12.42.27 # sim only so far 12.42.56 # I've got other issues to solve before getting it working on targets, e.g. a functional setjmp/longjmp implementation 12.45.33 Quit mf0102_ ("Ex-Chat") 12.48.26 # any dev intrested in a player donation? 12.48.58 # I'm not a dev, but I daresay it depends on what player it is. 12.49.10 # mp4 digital player 12.49.19 # it only serves as paperweight here 12.49.26 # hah, looks like I need a stub setjmp/longjmp even in the sim 12.49.39 # its a chinese mp4 12.51.46 # Dangalario: which one? 12.52.14 # it sez mp4 digital player 12.52.27 # sez? :) 12.52.39 # but nothing else? 12.52.52 # yup 12.53.14 # could you perhaps take a picture then, or do you know a website where they sell it? 12.53.15 # well crap, now I have to make setjmp/longjmp work first even in the sim 12.53.23 # lemme check 12.53.27 # Dangalario: btw, where would you be shipping it from? 12.53.52 # this one http://mobilesupportservices.co.uk/shop/catalog1/images/CVAAL-A25N-2-face_jpg_thumb_241x240.jpg 12.54.14 # although the device is small its screen is as big as sansa e200 series 12.55.12 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.56.03 # Dangalario: OLED screen, nice 12.56.24 # I'll try to find out which CPU it has 12.56.37 # unless you want to open it up and take some pictures 12.57.02 # i would if i had the right size screwdrivers 12.57.45 # Dangalario: use a hammer ? :) 12.58.08 Join culture [0] (n=none@79.97.22.57) 12.58.53 # destroy the mp3? 12.59.24 # I *was* kidding... 12.59.54 # CVAAL-A25N its the name of mine (i think) 13.00.13 # newer versions have sd support but this one is a 2gb one. 13.00.36 # yes, I think so too A25N has many hits 13.00.59 # but so far nothing on the CPU 13.01.17 # ok i go find a screwdriver 13.01.44 Join leftright [0] (n=d9e1efeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9034aee6b8d0fd8b) 13.01.47 # interesting, my uisim crashes (segfault?) after running the random_folder_advance_config plugin 13.03.41 # could it be so that it has some cpu that already is rockbox supported? 13.03.46 # Hi, could someone familiar with wps syntax look over my wps http://pastebin.com/m7f485a70 my album picture flickers sometimes, don't knwo why 13.04.40 # I don't load album art, its just a fixed .bmp which says "album" 13.04.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.57 # opened it up 13.08.49 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.09.35 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@044-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 13.10.33 # samsung 716 k9LAG008U0M PCB0 a big component probably the cpu 13.11.07 Quit petur ("work->home") 13.12.07 # could be 13.14.52 # markun okay i made some pics 13.15.10 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 13.15.21 # a single google hit on that k9 string 13.15.28 # http://s1-mp3-player.org/Dead_Players/Dead-player--looking-for-ATJ-2097H-ACT-V90-48.html 13.16.49 # B4gder: when I looked for the video format of this player I also found something about S1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMV_video_format 13.17.31 # although I don't know if your link is about a S1 player 13.18.30 # s1 arnt s1 small size stuff? 13.19.06 # Dangalario: well, according to that wikipedia page there are also S1 player who play video 13.19.25 # I also thought they were small and audio only 13.19.51 # http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic766232.html 13.20.25 # Dangalario: is there an ATJ chip on there as well? 13.20.42 # leftright: flickering usually happens when a part of the WPS is overlapped by a different viewport. 13.21.18 # just closed the player 13.21.30 # have to bluetooth the pics from the cel 13.21.45 # PaulJam: thanks 13.21.57 # and i'll tell 13.22.13 # 'Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd. , one of China's leading fabless semiconductor companies, today announced that one of its mainstream products, the ATJ 2097, was selected by the Ministry of Information Industry ("MII") of the People's Republic of China as the "China Chip with Best Market Performance in 2006."' 13.22.23 # haha 13.22.31 # lovely that 13.23.20 Join lurker [0] (n=528612c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-438d83762aad7be2) 13.23.28 # it must be true! 13.23.39 # looks like that samsung chip is a flash-chip. http://www.datasheet4u.com/html/K/9/L/K9LAG08U0M_SamsungElectronics.pdf.html 13.23.41 # leftright: btw, i seems you wps is missing some things, foe example no conditional VP with "a" as descriptor, but %Vda , and no %Cl tag but %C. 13.23.52 # lurker: yes, I was just thinking that 13.24.06 # yes, k9 seems to be common on their flashes 13.24.06 # clcik on datasheet view for a pdf for that chip 13.24.12 # click 13.24.15 # like k4 for SDRAM 13.24.36 # so we still know nothing about the CPU 13.24.45 # i believe the player manufacturer is chinavasion 13.25.24 # I think the 2097 is the SoC 13.25.38 # oops 13.25.45 # that wasn't from Dangalario's palyer 13.26.16 # Hmm pics got all blurry 13.26.27 # guess celphone cam sucks 13.26.35 # amen 13.26.38 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.26.41 # ugh 13.26.46 # they usually do 13.26.57 # even regular cameras are often not good enough for doing pcb photos 13.27.26 # which is why we recommend scanners for that 13.27.31 # bye 13.27.35 Quit lurker (Client Quit) 13.27.56 # bye lurker (since you are reading the logs anyway :) 13.28.05 # haha 13.28.20 # maybe i need to edit in paint what diffrent components say? 13.28.46 # Dangalario: no a bad idea 13.30.43 # Ok guess im opening it up again he he 13.30.48 # :) 13.33.47 # PaulJam: thanks for pointing out the missing items, I have no idea with syntax, monkey see, monkey do 13.34.31 # plagariser of note :-> 13.36.28 Quit lazka (Remote closed the connection) 13.40.24 # hosting it now 13.40.44 # modified picture with more explaining. 13.40.44 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.41.11 # this should be it http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00211im0.jpg 13.41.42 # hah, there was an ATJ 13.42.10 # hmm u guys already coded atj stuff? 13.42.13 # B4gder: nice find ;) 13.42.18 # nope 13.42.50 # well this player is a cheap paperweight here. 13.43.00 # B4gder: did you find which ISA it uses? 13.43.49 # i don't mind donating it considering i got 2 V1 sansas c250 2gb verycheap up and running rockbox :D 13.45.59 # I didn't find much at all about it 13.46.11 # I know ATJ is Action Semiconductor 13.47.31 # "Clear Leader in the Rapidly Growing Non-iPod, BRIC Market" ... 13.47.34 # BRIC? 13.47.36 # I'm looking for the usual suspects such as ARM and MIPS 13.47.55 # http://www.actions.com.cn/en/110906ActionsInvestorPresentationNov2006.pdf 13.48.41 # so the cheap china players use that stuff 13.48.42 # and it is... 13.48.44 # MIPS! 13.49.11 Quit Thundercloud (Connection timed out) 13.49.32 # Dangalario: you could also ask the people in #s1mp3 about it 13.49.37 # that pdf spells it out 13.50.22 # " 13.50.22 # China graduates 300,000 engineers/year; our engineers are 13.50.22 # hard working and cost $11,000/year 13.50.43 # just so you know ;-) 13.50.50 # multiple MIPS cores? 13.51.06 # probably different ones in different products 13.51.12 # B4gder: somehow it's cute :) 13.52.32 # donating it to s1mp3 people? 13.53.26 # I don't know if they are more likely to do something useful with it 13.53.43 # perhaps we can one day work together to support even more players 13.54.14 # well that would be the day when a cheapass player turns into a mighty rockbox 13.54.30 Quit Llorean (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.54.44 # i thought s1mp3 was dead 13.55.16 # maybe it is 13.55.50 # http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Software_development 13.55.57 # "We have none. Please, write one! 13.56.01 # haha 13.56.17 # or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? 13.59.28 Quit leftright ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.00.38 # from http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Hardware : 14.00.47 # "OLED displays need a special driver chip to power them and will use a single GPIO to turn the backlight on or off." 14.01.05 # isn't the idea behind OLED that you don't use a backlight at all? 14.01.40 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.03.46 # "A significant benefit of OLED displays over traditional liquid crystal displays (LCDs) is that OLEDs do not require a backlight to function. " 14.04.19 Join KimWoojin [0] (n=79b459ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c646e53a30d88af2) 14.04.24 # Hello 14.04.29 # hi KimWoojin 14.04.33 # I'm Korean :) 14.04.41 # I thought so :) 14.04.54 # Hmm 14.04.56 # do i can make firmware of iriver D20? 14.05.23 # I want make firmware of iriver D20.. :_ 14.05.29 # KimWoojin: see www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 14.05.34 # EYS 14.05.37 # Yes 14.05.59 # B4gder: I didn't know about te /wiki/ shortcut 14.06.17 # it's a magic redirect 14.06.24 # i miss the days when chicks wernt into geeky stuff 14.06.44 # Dangalario: better go to #rockbox-community to talk about that 14.07.02 # sure 14.07.08 # Hmm English is VERY DIFFICULT :) 14.07.19 # KimWoojin: do you know which CPU is inside the D20? 14.07.33 # KimWoojin: I'm sure your english is better than our korean... 14.07.34 # Samsung S5L8700 perhaps? 14.07.44 # hmm 14.08.20 # KimWoojin: best to first find out which chips are inside your player 14.08.28 # Maybe you can open it up and take some pictures 14.08.45 # hmm 14.08.47 # Or find a website where someone else has done that :) 14.08.58 # YES :) 14.09.42 # Iriver D20 is Good dictionary player. But firmware is bad :( 14.10.06 # To make a new firmware is a lot of work 14.10.18 # Yes 14.11.27 # fgd 14.12.13 # KimWoojin: is there a firmware update for the D20? 14.13.01 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 14.13.08 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 14.13.17 # some links to the D20 but they are broken :( http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060628.txt 14.13.29 # Really Firmware? 14.13.31 # (When llorean was known under a different name :) 14.14.40 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 14.14.48 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 14.14.49 # umm 14.15.13 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 14.15.17 # KimWoojin: firmware update on the official iriver site I mean 14.15.54 # YES 14.15.58 # Yes I have 14.16.34 # Can you give me a link? 14.16.39 # to the firmware update 14.16.51 # hmm 14.17.02 # wait 14.17.17 # Hmm 14.17.28 # Do you have E-mail? 14.17.35 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 14.17.42 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 14.18.03 # It is not a download link 14.18.19 # KimWoojin: I wrote you a PM, can you see it? 14.18.19 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.34 # what is the PM?;; 14.18.44 # whisper? 14.18.48 # "personal message" in IRC 14.19.05 # Yes 14.20.46 # so, did you see my email address? 14.20.49 # Oh 14.20.52 # http://iriver.nefficient.co.kr/iriver/download/firmware/dic/D20/D20_UPDATE080326_v1_40_WEB.exe 14.20.53 # Here 14.20.57 # thanks :) 14.21.01 # hmygod 14.21.03 # ohmygod 14.21.05 # hm 14.21.22 # wait 14.21.29 # I'll send the E-mail 14.21.34 # ok 14.22.14 # that url gives me a 403 14.22.20 # me too 14.25.15 # umm 14.25.25 # wait 40second 14.25.41 # The Firmware is Dat File 14.25.46 # I can have up to 8 gb in sansa c250 right? 14.26.12 # microsdhc you mean? 14.26.22 # yep 14.26.28 # there's no limit at 8 14.26.36 # oh 14.26.51 # nice 14.26.58 # Finish 14.27.02 # I send you mail 14.27.12 # I received it 14.27.19 Join SxSBruce [0] (i=IceChat7@117.80.28.19) 14.27.38 Join dabujo_ [0] (i=xx@p4FDB3B2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.27.44 # Hmm 14.28.05 # 335MB big??? 14.28.07 # ? 14.28.13 # hi SxSBruce 14.28.15 # YEs 14.28.17 # that's... _big_ 14.28.19 # It's BIG 14.28.21 # hi... 14.28.27 # HI~ 14.28.38 # an entire linux distro 14.28.39 # SxSBruce: so far I'm the only one working on the M6 I think, although other people are helping a bit 14.29.03 # B4gder: I can host if fo you if you want to have a look 14.29.03 # the reply is quite late,ha? 14.29.21 # I do, but not just now I'm soon to run off 14.29.22 # SxSBruce: yes, we keep missing eachother, first I was sleeping, then taking a shower 14.29.36 # B4gder: 29 minutes remaining :( 14.29.42 # Hmm 14.29.51 # KimWoojin,ur name is very familiar to me... 14.30.00 # I'm Korean~! 14.30.11 # yeah, time zone is a great problem 14.30.24 # * GodEater refuses to believe that all Korean's are called KimWoojin 14.30.36 Quit CyBergRind|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.30.46 # SxSBruce: so you want to help with the port? 14.30.46 # :-d 14.31.00 # which player do you have? 14.31.08 # :-: 14.31.10 # well i want to,but 14.31.12 # :-) 14.31.16 # xD 14.31.18 # Xd 14.31.20 # xD 14.31.23 # Im not sure i can be a help 14.31.27 # ^^ 14.31.28 # Its M6 14.31.35 # KimWoojin: there's no need to flood with junk 14.31.52 # SxSBruce: T1/TP, SP, SL? 14.31.59 # SP 14.32.18 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-127-198.rev.numericable.fr) 14.32.22 # :) 14.32.36 # Actually having no idea about cracking the players firmware 14.33.00 # Hmm 14.33.29 # SxSBruce: we got pretty much all the datasheets and the firmware is unencrypted, so that helps 14.33.41 # He just said they wanna someone knowing about C 14.34.02 # ? u mean i can do... 14.34.17 # Hmm 14.34.20 # in the beginning it's also useful to know ARM assembly 14.34.24 # What is that MEAN 14.34.24 # KimWoojin: can you please stop that? 14.34.53 # Hmm 14.34.57 # KimWoojin: SxSBruce and I are talking about a different player 14.35.02 # KimWoojin:pretending to be cute is not so appealing now... 14.35.08 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.35.29 # YES 14.35.53 # markun: so whats useful now? 14.36.10 # KimWoojin: Ohmygod 14.36.17 # KimWoojin: please.. 14.36.33 # markun: What is that mean :- 14.37.20 # Hmm 14.37.31 # English is difficult T_T 14.37.45 # KimWoojin: stop talking if you don't understand. Lots of different discussions are held in this channel. 14.37.47 # Hmm 14.38.01 # Oh Yes Thankyou 14.38.05 # PaulJam: random folder adv crashed? 14.38.34 # JdGordon: yes, but only with the changes that you reverted 14.38.54 # the commit before that worked? 14.38.57 Quit freqmod_q (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.36 # r17914 => crash; r17915 => works. 14.40.06 # thats a bad sign 14.40.28 # i don't really see what the plugin has to do with the scroll engine. 14.40.38 # not a thing... 14.42.09 # btw, FS#7077 can be closed now. 14.42.29 # great 14.42.34 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b07321fbbbc2920d) 14.42.53 # i have to go now 14.43.01 # have a nice day~ :) 14.43.05 Part B4gder 14.43.18 # * JdGordon would like someone to get pissed with him for the scroll engine changes so he doesnt have to fix all the supplied WPS' and the RFA bug (?) 14.43.43 Quit KimWoojin ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.44.23 # if making you fix all the issues is punishment, then yeah, I'm pissed ;) 14.44.24 Quit Genre9mp3 () 14.45.02 Quit dabujo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.45.51 # no... getting pissed would mean reverting the whole thing, diong a bandaid fix for the yes/no screen and going to bed before 11pm :p 14.46.17 Quit dabujo_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.47.54 # nah - that lets you off too lightly 14.48.31 Quit Thundercloud__ (Connection timed out) 14.50.14 # just a silly question: is it smart to have the md5 plugin in the apps dir? i just launced from there in the uisim and it seems to process _every_ file on the player (and there doesn't seem to be a quit button) 14.51.00 # yeah, I did that a while ago also... it needs to be abortable 14.51.29 # PaulJam: RFA crashed how? did you do anything funny in the plugin? 14.51.57 # 88 14.52.02 # 88 14.52.13 DBUG Enqueued KICK SxSBruce 14.52.13 # 88 14.52.14 # prepare for a kicking.... 14.52.23 # JdGordon: just launch it, then quit and on the next buttonpress the sim crashes. 14.52.39 # h300 yeah? 14.52.50 # jep 14.53.15 # i was just thinking whats going on cos my typing didnt show on screen 14.53.33 # SxSBruce: it's called Lag, get used to it 14.53.34 # we wont stop you.. 14.53.40 # later i found it didnt autoscroll XD 14.53.52 # PaulJam: umm... wtf? it just crashed for me without getting that far 14.54.14 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7D6A.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.54.42 # PaulJam: AH! wow, good thing I reverted that quickly.... big booboo 14.57.17 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.58.14 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a36602f48548fba5) 15.00.29 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB3B63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.03.58 Quit SxSBruce ("The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese") 15.04.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.05.44 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@c211023.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 15.06.26 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A6543.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.07.28 Part Dangalario 15.08.22 Join SxSBruce [0] (i=IceChat7@117.80.28.19) 15.10.36 Quit Arathis2 (Client Quit) 15.10.47 Join Ice`` [0] (n=ice@ryuteam.com) 15.10.52 # Hi there. 15.11.29 # hi over there also 15.11.31 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 15.11.45 # Does anyone here want to work / work on on rockbox Zen V Plus port? 15.12.14 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.12.20 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.12.28 # u should ask in a different place 15.12.55 # Ice``: your best bet is the new ports section in the forums 15.13.15 # JdGordon: Okay, thank you. 15.14.26 # amiconn: LinusN: what do you think about raising the MAX_OPEN_DIRS define on higher mem targets? there are at least 3 open tasks relating to this... although I'd be happy to clsoe the lot and force people to just not have 8+ deep folder trees... 15.15.01 # go ahead 15.15.09 # the "bug report" is from dec 2006 though 15.17.58 Quit SxSBruce ("When the chips are down, well, the buffalo is empty") 15.18.08 # Ok. Does anyone know where I could ask for buying a specific mp3 player? 15.18.23 # Like a Creative Zen V / V Plus 15.18.23 # maybe ebay ? 15.18.41 # Yeah, I'll try. Not a bad idea. 15.21.41 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc235.ugent.be) 15.22.43 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.23.16 Quit Mathiasdm (Client Quit) 15.27.06 Join KimWoojin [0] (n=79b459ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-891cf07004ced069) 15.27.49 # Hello :) 15.29.00 # Hello~~~ :) 15.29.06 # Hello~~~~ :-) 15.29.12 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.29.19 # Hi~~~~ :-) 15.29.21 # KimWoojin: Stop it! 15.29.26 # Sorry 15.30.02 # I want to make iriver D20 Rockbox Firmware 15.30.15 # yes, we remember 15.30.26 # Yes;.. 15.30.28 # KimWoojin: try the anything but ipod forums... 15.30.30 # Good, you can start by reading this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 15.30.57 # I'm korean so I can't English well 15.31.27 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 15.31.52 Nick Zom_ is now known as Zom (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 15.34.38 Quit KimWoojin ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.36.21 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4424828.home.otenet.gr) 15.44.45 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6543.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.01.08 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.02.12 Quit J-23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.02.30 Join SUSaiyan` [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 16.02.52 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.12.11 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-242-7-34.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 16.14.21 Quit stooo (Remote closed the connection) 16.20.41 Join dabujo_ [0] (i=xx@p4FDB3B63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.23.55 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 16.28.55 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.29.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 16.31.00 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.33.23 # doesnt one of the newer targets have the digital radio chip? 16.34.58 # Some D2s have DAB. The Logik DAX and ATMT as well, but they aren't very far yet 16.35.57 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.35.57 # * scorche|sh thinks the port to the DAX should be abandoned...it is a horrible brick 16.37.19 # is the DAX the thing at the top of the uber-tower? 16.37.24 # yes 16.38.35 Quit dabujo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.38.46 # * gevaerts copies a line from somewhere : "but it looks pretty =)" 16.43.53 # * LambdaCalculus37 thinks the DAX looks like a bigger, fatter Sansa m200 16.46.33 Part LinusN 16.47.06 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@c211023.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 16.47.37 # only with a humpback and a few warts 16.48.54 # JdGordon: i'll probably start digging pretty eagerly at the dab chip in the d2 once things are running nicer than they are now 16.49.18 Join SxSBruce [0] (i=IceChat7@117.80.28.19) 16.49.36 # i think it uses the same chip as the dax 16.52.17 # preglow: ok, was just checking my memory wasnt completly off 16.52.28 # JdGordon: RDS isn't DAB though, still none of the tuner chips used in Rockbox targets support it 16.52.36 # as far as I know 16.53.30 # me neither 16.53.40 # what player? 16.53.55 # rds is just a digital subcarrier in a regular fm transmission 16.54.42 # okkkk.btw,what compiler is for M6? the Arm? 16.55.21 # m68k, coldfire 16.55.25 # afaik 16.55.40 # oh, forget me 16.55.44 # i'm confusing targets 16.55.49 # arm, yes 16.56.05 # yeah and i was confused by u 16.56.49 # *shrug* 17.02.14 Join homielowe_ [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 17.02.14 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.02.57 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.04.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.25 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 17.20.06 Join waldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-209-53.dsl.scarlet.be) 17.22.08 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 17.22.19 # pixelma: ah ok 17.22.37 # also, can you check svn and the yesno screen? that most recent commit should also have ixed it 17.23.00 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@044-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 17.23.40 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 17.23.49 # * GodEater thinks the latest post to the dev list raises a good question, was the H300 bootloader looked at at all ? 17.25.08 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-964615957719c331) 17.25.26 Quit stooo ("Leaving.") 17.25.47 # petur and LinusN: Yes, how did it go with the H300 bootloader? Were you guys able to look at it? 17.28.16 # JdGordon: will take a look 17.29.40 # LambdaCalculus37: Linus found the commit that breaks things, still has to figure out why 17.31.58 Part Nico_P 17.34.12 Quit SxSBruce ("Say What?") 17.34.13 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fc599b5e69d2f6cb) 17.34.36 # petur: Which commit was it that broke things? 17.34.40 # JdGordon: yes, that screen looks correctly now 17.35.36 # LambdaCalculus37: I honestly don't know, Linus invetigated it by himself, I just borrowed him my h380 to test bootloader builds on 17.35.59 # he did show it to me but I didn't note it down somewhere 17.36.01 # didn't he say he hosed his BDM too ? 17.36.09 # or was that for a different target ? 17.36.10 # Yeah, on his H100 IIRC. 17.36.18 # h100, yes 17.36.29 # Poor H100. :( 17.36.53 # there's still a bootloader waiting to be made "official" for that too isn't there ? 17.36.57 # JdGordon: also, my WPS behaves correctly again, will still try to find out whether there are some overlapping VPs or so 17.37.08 Quit KrPD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.37.37 # pixelma: ok, but dont waste too much time on it (at least not with the reverted code)... it will crash 17.37.38 # GodEater: There's a v7 bootloader that's in SVN. Still isn't complete, though. 17.37.57 # I think it's bootloader v7pre4? 17.37.59 # I have a v7 on my H100 17.38.03 # I think it's pre3 though 17.38.19 # hasnt' gone wrong for me so far :) 17.38.34 # GodEater: Did you flash Rockbox to your H100? 17.38.44 # JdGordon: you mean it'll crash when there are overlapping VPs? 17.39.21 # LambdaCalculus37: naturally ;) 17.39.42 # pixelma: no.. it will crash in the browser/menus when you move off a scrolling line 17.39.42 # I should probably update the flashed version though - it's way old 17.39.59 # I should do the same for my JBRv1. 17.40.28 # I haven't updated it in 6 months! 17.40.44 # JdGordon: ah, ok 17.43.22 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 17.45.18 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 17.46.52 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 17.47.22 Join tmcarr [0] (n=tmcarr@pool-71-113-214-2.herntx.dsl-w.verizon.net) 17.47.50 # Do I need to put a copy of a recent build into the Rockbox simulator? 17.48.32 # Almost nothing is working as-is. (example: I can't go under "Plugins") 17.48.41 # Strife89: If you're using Windows, just download a new version. 17.48.51 Part tmcarr 17.48.59 Join CriminalScum [0] (n=crim@cpe-70-114-41-70.satx.res.rr.com) 17.49.30 # Strife89: The simulator *is* the build. If you want a recent sim, you have to rebuild the whole thing. Putting a player build into it will just break things. 17.49.32 # Can you link me to it? (YES, I have looked. The place I downloaded from seems outdated) 17.49.46 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator 17.50.11 # Alright, thank you. 17.50.30 # Suppose I want to test a music file. Where do I put it? 17.50.53 # Make a folder in the "archos" folder for the sim, then toss your music in there. 17.50.56 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 17.51.39 # Okay. I suppose that "Archos" represents the "device's" built-in storage? 17.52.43 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf34@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-903b5780efd9df6f) 17.53.03 # Anyways, thank you. :) 17.53.37 # Strife89: Yep, you're right. :) 17.53.40 # I have pre4 on my H100 - pre 3 was missing a wait that meant I couldn't turn on with the remote - it thought hold was permanently on 17.53.46 # @GodEater 17.54.09 # BigBambi: ah - I don't use my remote anymore, so that wouldn't have bothered me 17.55.36 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.56.49 # You know, the simulator *could* replace CoolPlayerPortable as my flash-drive media player. (Those of you who have been to www.portableapps.com should know what I mean) 17.56.51 # GodEater: Having flashed rockbox is nice though - but likewise I haven't updated it in a long long time 17.58.30 Quit JdGordon ("zazzzzzzzzzzzz") 17.59.38 Join maffe [0] (n=Martin_F@p5B041995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.01.44 Join phixxor [0] (n=Patrick@pool-70-108-22-183.res.east.verizon.net) 18.02.24 # is there a way to help supporting a device that currently isn't supported if I've never programmed before in my life? 18.02.54 # What device would that be? 18.03.02 # Agrh. Every time I start the simulator, I get "no .rockbox directory" "Installation incomplete". I can't get any list of plugins, nor can I access the File Browser. Initializing the Database yields a constant "0". ( 18.03.02 # I admit I'm running it under Wine right now, but I've been told that's not a problem. 18.03.02 # I am using the Sansa c200 build. 18.03.17 # sandisk sansa m series 18.03.53 # I think mine is the m230 18.03.58 # Strife89: If you're on Linux, why not compile your own sim? 18.04.14 # I have no earthly idea how. :( 18.04.22 # phixxor: Some work was started on a port for the Sansa m200 series, but it's still very basic and will require one to at least know how to compile an application and upload it using a special tool. 18.04.29 # phixxor: It is possible; sure, but would be a hell of a lot of work 18.04.31 # Plus, the port does nothing but display basic information. 18.04.41 # Strife89: It's the same as compiling Rockbox, you just pick "Sim" instead of "Normal" 18.04.47 # What do I do, download a bunch of sources and execute "makefile"? 18.04.48 # The instructions haven't changed for years. 18.04.50 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.05.20 # Hi, maybe someone could change the wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison - The X5 does support FLAC, but not with 48 kHz. And deleting files is possible, but not that easy (switching to USB host mode required). And then there's the footnote 19 mentioned at WMA decoding, but that footnote does not belong to WMA decoding. 18.05.29 # lambdaCalculus37: how involved would it be? I've compiled applications before 18.05.29 # phixxor: I think that some people who know what they're doing are working on it, and that they already have all information you can get by just looking (and opening the device), so without knowing how to program I don't think there is much you can do right now 18.05.33 # Strife89: There's development documentation in the wiki that should help, linked from the index. 18.05.41 # ok 18.05.57 # cool it's already being worked on 18.06.00 # Maffe: I'll look at it. 18.06.10 # thanks 18.06.33 # phixxor: If you want to help test code, though, read these pages: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN, and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 18.07.32 # thanks 18.08.16 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.08.28 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 18.09.50 # doen't rockbox resample everything to 44.1 kHz so that 48kHz material might actually sound worse than native 44.1kHz material? 18.10.11 # At the moment, yes. 18.10.18 # I'm not sure if all targets are 44.1, but yes 18.10.42 # Several targets should be able to handle other sample rates natively, but iiuc it's not a simple task. 18.10.55 # I have some Ogg Vorbis files that I had encoded from 48 kHz WAVs, but they sound just fine on my iPods and my Gigabeast. 18.12.08 # LambdaCalculus37: The difference should be small. Our resampler just isn't the best. 18.12.10 # The chart looks daunting, so I won't risk messing with it. I confess I merely pasted all but the last sentence of maffe's notes as an unlinked 20th footnote. :( 18.12.23 Quit dabujo_ (Client Quit) 18.16.48 Part Strife89 18.18.12 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.18.22 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 18.18.38 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.31.57 # Alright guys, I've been thinking. 18.32.26 # What do people think about, in preparation for the release, devs make a list of their "favorite" bugs. Specifically: Ones they might be interested in fixing themselves, but need reliable volunteer testers for. 18.33.18 # Is there any Rockbox plugin which uses yesno element? 18.33.20 # So we put a wiki page together with these lists, and try to get some of us with multiple targets, but less odds of fixing bugs ourselves, into the fray doing more testing as we approach the freeze and during it, since we have a list of explicit bugs to test on, and what the related dev wants to see done. 18.33.29 # (does it depend on target?) 18.33.33 # Llorean: I may not be a dev, but I think that's a pretty good idea, if not for the fact that I'm always willing to help test fixes. ;) 18.33.34 Part pengo 18.34.21 # LambdaCalculus37: I imagine it's more useful to "confirm" bugs, as well. There's a lot of bugs that maybe the appropriate dev for fixing them (in terms of code knowledge) doesn't have the target to reproduce, or doesn't have a player that exhibits that quirk. 18.34.42 # And it seems quite handy to have a reliable tester, as if we have to wait a week for a response to a flypsray task nothing will get done. 18.35.01 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 18.35.13 # Llorean: For example, various hardware revisions of a particular target? I refer to the 4G iPod LCD bug in this case. 18.35.31 # Exactly like that sort of thing. 18.36.01 # Someone who can be around as often as possible during the freeze, and maybe give the dev an email address for build-dropoffs and such. 18.38.31 # Llorean: I think it's a good idea. However, depending on when exactly the release is I might not be able to do much 18.39.54 Part J-23 18.40.21 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 18.40.51 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.41.01 Join MTee [0] (n=mtarek16@41.233.149.109) 18.41.47 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-209-195.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.43.09 Quit domonoky (Client Quit) 18.44.22 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.45.44 Join goffa__ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 18.47.25 Quit maffe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 18.48.26 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.53.01 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.54.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF778B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.57.02 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.07 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.04.11 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3043.gwdg.de) 19.04.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.11.18 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 19.16.17 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 19.16.26 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3084.gwdg.de) 19.16.44 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 19.17.27 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3084.gwdg.de) 19.21.33 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.27.44 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.31.55 Join SxSBruce [0] (n=zzq@117.80.28.19) 19.33.26 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6543.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.36.24 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.41.30 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE20D39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.57.10 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 19.58.08 Part SxSBruce 20.00.35 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 20.01.15 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-150.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 20.01.19 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3100.gwdg.de) 20.01.22 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 20.01.27 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-150.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 20.02.30 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.08.13 Quit phixxor ("Leaving") 20.08.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.15.39 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3100.gwdg.de) 20.17.15 Join SxSBruce [0] (n=zzq@117.80.28.19) 20.28.00 # Hey guys 20.28.08 # just thought wether its possible to replace the hdd in Cowon iAudio X5 with another 1,8" with ZIF Connector 20.29.32 # Reemo: sure its possible, if you have a hd with the right connector (there are different zif Connectors i think) 20.29.49 # Reemo: some info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement 20.30.13 # Reemo: you'd need an adapter. but ther might not be enough space to fit the hard drive + adapter. 20.30.46 # ah okay 20.30.49 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-59e862fdd3cfc4e6) 20.31.03 Quit neddy (Remote closed the connection) 20.31.43 # I think i did a mispurchase... 20.31.46 # Damn. 20.31.52 # Got a used X5 for... 250€ 20.31.56 # (60gb tough) 20.32.09 # but now i see the ipod video is fully supported... 20.32.20 # I hate to say it, but an iPod has even more style with Rockbox on it 20.32.28 # where can i get Rockboxdev.sh? 20.32.46 # SxSBruce: its in rockboxs source (under tools) 20.33.57 # i know its in that! i mean where can i find the rockbox source? 20.34.20 # get it from the 'Download' Page ;) 20.34.32 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-6cc512485714be41) 20.34.37 # * gevaerts wonders why SxSBruce didn't ask that then 20.34.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN 20.34.42 # or even better use svn (see wiki) 20.35.34 # alright,let me see.... 20.38.22 # Bagder: any more thoughts on this git mirror of the rb source ? 20.38.54 # I've tried to outsource that ;-) 20.39.02 # the thinking bits I mean 20.39.12 # I can very well make the server provide it 20.40.20 # which thinking bits still need consideration ? 20.40.36 # mostly how to do it, what commands to run etc 20.40.50 # I'm pretty clueless when it comes to git 20.41.01 # most of the thinking is already done by Nico, and documented on the wiki page we put together for git last year 20.41.07 # which would get you an up to date git tree 20.41.20 # the only bit we're missing is the svn post commit hook to run "git-svn rebase" 20.42.01 # Bagder: Nico_P said it's more or less trivial to do it. 20.42.10 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl 20.43.00 # Bagder: the key bit to get it started is the bit under "The Public Git Repository" right at the bottom of that page 20.43.13 # run those commands, and we have a complete git history of the project 20.43.24 # and then it's just the svn post commit hook that's needed 20.45.16 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-208-157.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 20.45.25 # * GodEater_ wonders if this is enough thinking for Bagder, or if it requires more 20.47.56 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.49.20 # well, there are a few missing details there 20.49.25 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.49.31 # like how do people then access the repo on the site that has it? 20.49.57 # beg pardon ? 20.50.21 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4E52B.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.50.26 # you mean the repo.or.cz repo ? 20.50.43 # they don't ever access that - it's just a handy place for you to clone the repo from to get started 20.51.05 # you could get it straight from the svn repo - but it would take much longer 20.52.08 # right, but then we need something on our server to respond to the git:// protocol, won't we? 20.52.19 # ah right I see 20.52.20 # sorry 20.52.26 # yes - you're right - that's missing 20.52.33 # * GodEater_ will do this bit of thinking for Bagder 20.55.16 Part SxSBruce 20.56.20 # I missed the bit which said whether or not this git mirror will allow commits or not 20.56.29 # is that the plan, or is it going to be read only ? 20.56.31 # * wpyh wonders who the "Me" is in "Me personally, I start to see git as a very useful change..." 20.56.54 # wpyh: that would be me, I wrote most of the initial page 20.56.56 Join borges [0] (n=bruges@e178057169.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.57.03 # commit is done locally... 20.57.04 Quit borges (Client Quit) 20.57.06 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 20.57.08 # with git 20.57.33 # I mean, will you be allowing people who use this git repo to commit directly to it, and then from there into the svn repo ? 20.57.57 # or will this git tree just be an alternative way for people to download there copy of the source tree 20.58.06 # i.e. no commiters should use it 20.58.08 # I don't know 20.58.13 # When I talked with Nico_P he said it's really trivial to keep commits as SVN-only 20.58.20 # Since you can just rebase your changes 20.58.33 # GodEater: maybe you can update the page to reflect that? so that people know who to ask if they have questions about git 20.58.44 # wpyh: my name is in the history... 20.58.47 # But that using Git for commits as well would rather complicate things. 20.58.56 # Llorean: right - it would 20.58.58 # yes, I would guess so as well 20.59.07 # GodEater: that's not straightforward... 20.59.10 # that makes doing this bit of thinking quite easy 20.59.17 # wpyh: I don't really care :) 20.59.35 # I'm hardly the "go to guy" for git questions - there are better places to get information on it 20.59.41 # It makes sense to keep it one-way, just because the added cost to Git users is apparently (I've been told) quite small, while keeping the server end much less complicated. 20.59.45 # ok... 20.59.49 # Bagder: all we need on the server then is git-daemon 21.00.19 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@e179037162.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.01.53 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.02.09 # * GodEater_ assumes svn.rockbox.org runs debian ? 21.02.27 # yup 21.02.38 # git.rockbox.org ? ;-) 21.03.31 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 21.04.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.21 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.35 # eep 21.05.38 # instruction failed 21.05.40 # is there a git-daemon-run package for debian ? 21.05.46 # yes 21.05.54 # * GodEater_ is working off the same package in ubuntu 21.05.58 # which ironically is broken! 21.06.03 # "git svn init svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk" is not working 21.06.17 # you didn't install git-svn ? 21.06.25 # (seperate package to git proper) 21.06.34 # oh 21.07.07 # * GodEater_ hopes this improves the situation 21.07.09 Join SxSBruce [0] (n=zzq@117.80.28.19) 21.07.14 # that made a difference ;-) 21.07.49 # is rockbox-community channel closed? 21.08.08 # er, no 21.08.18 # SxSBruce: no, as open and lively as ever 21.08.31 # no? 21.17.49 Join Cannoli [0] (i=Prisoner@207.112.33.164) 21.17.55 # hiya 21.17.58 # quick question 21.18.05 # wht is the link to the major updates page? 21.18.13 # wht ? 21.18.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges 21.18.26 # I think he meant "wth" 21.18.35 # thank you 21.18.47 # * gevaerts also doesn't get "wth" 21.18.52 # oh... 21.18.53 # * Bagder git clones from svn.rockbox.org... 21.18.55 # i couldnt find it on the website, probably cause i was searching major updates 21.18.55 # it's like wtf, only more polite 21.19.02 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 21.19.11 # where the heck ? 21.19.13 # * gevaerts hides 21.19.19 # pretty much :) 21.19.49 # Bagder: it's working already? :) 21.19.59 # uhm, maybe 21.20.08 # only maybe ? 21.20.18 # yeah, I need to test it a bit first 21.20.21 # ok 21.20.23 # how does itunes save the lyrics for songs? 21.20.24 # it seems to work 21.20.29 # are they in the tags of the mp3? 21.20.39 # what's the git url then ? 21.20.43 # * GodEater_ would like to test too 21.21.04 # hang on a sec first 21.21.08 # Cannoli: we have no idea, very few of us use iTunes, and the subject is pretty much off topic 21.21.14 # if it works for me, I'll add it to inetd properly first 21.21.21 # Bagder: ok 21.21.39 # oh ok, sorryu 21.21.41 # sorry* 21.22.20 # I don't think our own lyric reading plugin has been committed yet either 21.22.30 # it has 21.22.32 # s/plugin/feature 21.22.35 # it has 21.22.37 # right 21.22.37 # but its not god in my opinion 21.22.41 # I should read up more :) 21.22.55 # it needs a .txt file or somehting which contains the lyrics 21.22.57 # Cannoli: A plugin is a god? :P 21.23.03 # lmfao 21.23.07 # good* 21.23.07 # XD 21.23.15 # and you propose what instead then ? 21.23.37 # well im fairly sure the mp3 tags can hold lyrics, so read from those 21.23.45 # that way a seperate file isnt needed 21.23.49 # "fairly sure"? 21.24.00 # * gevaerts also is fairly sure 21.24.07 # give me one second and i'll be a 100% sure 21.24.13 # and only in mp3s ? 21.24.20 # what about all the other formats we support ? 21.24.29 # the iriver OF reads the lyrics from tags 21.24.41 # id3v2 has a tag for lyrics. Maybe vorbiscomment as well 21.25.52 Part J-23 21.26.23 # wouldn't we have to massively increase our tag buffer size to accomodate that though ? 21.27.13 # Probably. But we need to do something anyway to make the database update not fail on some files 21.27.16 # yes 21.27.20 # id3v2 can hold lyrics 21.27.44 # gevaerts: is that what the problem is then ? 21.27.46 Quit simonrvn ("Sage, Tobacco, Sweetgrass, Cedar") 21.28.20 # GodEater_: "fail", not "crash". I have some files that it just mis-parses. Removing the embedded AA fixes that 21.28.22 # try "git pull git://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox" 21.28.43 # GodEater_: couldn't that be stored in the audiobuffer (MoB) 21.28.53 # * SxSBruce is pursued by a crazy girl 21.28.56 Quit midgey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.29.19 # Bagder: failed, not a valid git repo 21.29.42 # * GodEater_ uses clone instead ;) 21.29.42 # Try git clone 21.29.59 # oh right clone it should be 21.30.06 # so why is it that the ipod's original software doesnt lag when loading up tags? 21.30.18 # PaulJam: I guess it could, but I don't think any tags are stored there currently 21.30.36 # Cannoli: we don't really care about OFs 21.30.42 # OFs? 21.30.44 # Cannoli: What do you mean "loading up tags"? 21.30.51 # GodEater_: wasn't that the whole point of MoB? 21.30.57 # Bagder: clone is working beautifully 21.31.08 # The iPod's database is generated on the PC by iTunes, and there are no custom searches, making it drastically simplified compared to what Rockbox does. 21.31.11 # PaulJam: possibly 21.31.20 # oh i see 21.31.40 # * gevaerts also appreciates the aesthetics of a running git clone 21.31.44 # ~ Llorean ~ i mean when you select a song from your database, it takes a few seconds for it to start playing 21.31.50 # or maybe im doing something wrong? 21.31.50 # XD 21.32.10 # Cannoli: It shouldn't take any longer than the disk spinup if you insert a single song. 21.32.45 # well i think mine lags on getting the "up next" song 21.32.49 # song tags* 21.33.06 # Bagder: completed successfully 21.33.21 # Cannoli: So you mean music starts playing, but it takes a while for "up next" to fill in? 21.33.37 # GodEater: yeah, and then you can try "git pull" within the rockbox dir to fetch updates 21.33.41 # Cannoli: do you have "Load To RAM" enable in the database settings? 21.33.59 # not that there are any 21.34.00 # Bagder: seems to work, although of course there are no updates to pull currently 21.34.02 # no my music doesnt play until the "up next" is filled in 21.34.06 # * amiconn recently read an article about mercurial, and finally managed to understand at least some advantages of mirroring whole repositories 21.34.16 # and when i laod it to ram, it lags soo much when playing .flac 21.34.29 # so currently i have no database, instead im doing it from the files menu 21.34.42 # i have a folder with all my music in it 21.34.43 # so the only magic we need now is the svn post-commit hook? or is that done too ? 21.35.00 # However, git still has the problem of being cumbersome on windows. I don't need Tortoise* style, but a command line version that works at decent speed at least 21.35.14 # and of course an official git.rockbox.org hostname :) 21.35.21 # amiconn: stick to svn then ? :) 21.35.21 # amiconn: there's lots of working going on there 21.35.45 # no post-commit stuff yet, I haven't figured out how that's done yet 21.35.47 # Cannoli: is that on ipod ? Do you use things like EQ or bass boost ? 21.36.05 # hm that mail must be sent with it... 21.36.14 # it is a 80 gb 5.5g ipod video and no 21.37.11 # Bagder: yep - was just going to say that 21.37.31 # Can you try checking the filesystem ? Slightly corrupted filesystems have been known to cause all sorts of problems 21.37.33 # ok, added now 21.37.47 # Bagder: excellent. Definitely award yourself a pat on the back and a beer or threee 21.37.48 # i even tried the command line as the correct user ;-) 21.38.17 # let's see how this works after a few commits before we announce it anywhere 21.38.24 # Bagder: good plan 21.39.03 # * GodEater_ is still pimping his bad ass bash prompt which advertises nice things when inside scm trees, like current branch / revision 21.39.23 # * gevaerts wants that 21.40.28 # * GodEater_ hopes gevaerts has a utf-8 prompt 21.43.57 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.44.36 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21.44.41 Quit goffa__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.44.53 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.47.54 Part SxSBruce 21.51.43 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.51.55 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.55.06 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.58.59 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 22.00.07 # the front page text links are now gone 22.00.09 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 22.00.47 # since the will to pay like before vanished 22.01.45 # Bagder: Are you planning to change to git 22.01.54 # nope 22.02.14 # but to provide a git mirror of the svn tree for those who like that 22.02.29 # ah cool 22.02.36 # and for whom it's easier to use 22.02.44 # apparently Nico can't get svn to work from his new place 22.02.47 # but git works fine 22.03.02 # anything to please nico_p! 22.03.11 # hehe 22.03.13 # :) 22.03.16 # he does fix nasty bugs :) 22.08.13 Join Altoecko [0] (n=4c696678@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-72e3140d3491eac0) 22.08.34 # Hello? 22.09.33 # hello. 22.09.39 # Hrrm, can anyone read this? 22.10.21 Quit Altoecko (Client Quit) 22.10.41 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.12.06 # there's nothing like patience 22.12.22 # dionoea: here? 22.12.29 # just a question (i dont know git) 22.12.30 # sure 22.12.35 # wheres the advantage of git compared to svn? 22.12.39 Join owner [0] (n=chatzill@c-76-105-102-120.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 22.12.46 # you did the md5 plugin, right? 22.12.51 # yep 22.12.53 Nick owner is now known as Altoecko (n=chatzill@c-76-105-102-120.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 22.13.07 # Hello everyone. 22.13.12 # re 22.13.12 # :D 22.13.25 # Reemo: git is distributed so you have your own repo so you can commit locally and then push stuff to a central repo (if that's how your project works) 22.13.29 # git is more powerfull 22.13.32 # Reemo: did you read the page that was linked earlier 22.13.33 # svn is easier 22.13.33 # ? 22.13.49 # PaulJam: did you need some info? 22.13.49 # hmm 22.13.57 # it would be good to have a button to quit the md5sum generation. if someone accidentally selects the plugin from the plugins menu it created md5 sums from all files and you can't interrupt it. 22.14.04 # I've come in here looking for help with getting my iPod to respond to my iTrip now that I've put Rockbox on it, can someone help me with this problem? 22.14.27 # :D that would be awesome PaulJam, did that when just trying out some features :D 22.14.44 # PaulJam: ok. I'll add that. 22.15.27 # i'm happy this happened to me in tha sim and not on target :) 22.16.04 # You can use the off button :p 22.16.52 # So am I just being ignored or can no one read this? Just wondering. 22.16.54 # Altoecko: you need to start into the Apple firmware for that, instructions how to should be in the manual 22.16.59 # Ah there we go, thank you. :D 22.17.05 # Okay, thanks. 22.17.08 # and please be a bit patient 22.17.18 # Sorry, I will be. 22.17.33 # Altoecko: usually if nobody answers it means that people either haven't read the question yet or don't know 22.17.52 # Bagder: if you're still working on the svn server, how about adding a diffstat output to the notification mails? 22.17.56 # I figured as much, I just recently installed this IRC client and didn't know if it was working properly, that's all. 22.19.51 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eef6ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6469feef859a2d4c) 22.21.03 Quit Cannoli ("If You Can't Be Famous, Be Infamous...") 22.22.34 # Well thank you for your help. 22.24.08 Quit Altoecko ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 22.25.45 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.32 Join Zom_ [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 22.35.23 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 22.35.59 # dionoea: that happened to me on the target, and yes the off button was the only way :) 22.37.08 # what's so attractive about "md5sum" that you guys want to try it? :) 22.37.25 # curiosity? ;P 22.38.03 # Wouldn't md5sum be more suited as a viewer? 22.38.41 Quit Zom_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.38.41 # It's right next to "lamp", and you don't see too well when you want that ? 22.38.48 # it is a viewer too (via "open with...") 22.38.52 Join Zom_ [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 22.38.55 # PaulJam: I meant only as a viewer. 22.39.02 # As in, not in one of the other three categories. 22.39.18 # what good is md5sum on its' own? 22.39.22 # still a quit button would be good 22.39.55 # bluebrother: a good idea, but that commit mailing script is a bit scary to modify 22.41.00 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16144E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.41.02 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.41.09 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.41.51 # Bagder: ok. Maybe you'll get around some time ... 22.42.16 # yeah, I'll just have to get it locally and experiment a little 22.43.06 # * bluebrother likes the new preview in the wiki 22.43.48 Quit amiconn (Client Quit) 22.44.12 # bluebrother: thanks, I finally found the problem: faulty templates shipped with twiki! 22.45.05 # You mean you really need to do this .a release? 22.46.00 # * gevaerts suspects that he is confusing twiki and flyspray 22.46.20 # gevaerts: aha. you confused me mightily :) 22.46.39 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf203.ugent.be) 22.46.39 # I only confused twiki and flyspray, not you ! 22.47.21 # :-) yeah flyspray is next on the todo list. 22.47.37 # Have fun with it :) 22.49.23 Quit Zom (Connection timed out) 22.49.29 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 22.50.30 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.56.33 Quit hannesd (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 NSplit verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.56.33 Quit bluebrother (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit mf0102 (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit Glorfindel (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit AndyI (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit Rob2222 (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit soap (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit dude187 (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit SirFunk (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit rvvs89 (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.56.33 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 22.56.52 NHeal verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.56.52 NJoin hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16144E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.56.52 NJoin bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.56.52 NJoin mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 22.56.52 NJoin Glorfindel [0] (n=fake@ppp-69-223-56-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) 22.56.52 NJoin AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 22.56.52 NJoin Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD3C9.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.56.52 NJoin soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 22.56.52 NJoin SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 22.56.52 NJoin rvvs89 [0] (n=rvvs89@pdpc/supporter/active/rvvs89) 22.56.52 NJoin dude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 23.02.24 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.04.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.08.55 Quit faemir (Connection timed out) 23.11.55 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-210-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.26.26 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 23.27.17 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.32.21 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 23.39.46 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@rockbox/developer/austriancoder) 23.40.20 Quit dude187 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.41.50 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.34 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 23.44.41 # Hi all.. i have a question about the used samplerate in audiodrivers... at the moment 44100 is used as default. There exists some apis, like audiohw_set_frequency to change them (= set default value). I want to remove this api call as setting default frequency can be done in init of audiodrivers. What do you think? 23.45.31 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 23.49.16 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.49.30 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.49.31 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.50.31 Quit MTee () 23.51.02 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.51.17 # austriancoder: hmm 23.51.25 # austriancoder: so we'll have to reinit the audio driver each time we want to set the sample ratE? 23.51.34 # that might not be very desirable 23.51.42 # preglow: at the moment we set it only once 23.51.48 # austriancoder: at the moment, yeah 23.52.00 # austriancoder: but we want to change it when it makes sense in the future 23.52.09 # like when a new track comes that uses a different sample rate 23.52.30 # a full reinit might be a bit costly (time-wise) for some drivers, i think 23.52.55 # okay... so I will come up with a general api method for it 23.52.59 Quit davina (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.53.22 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.53.25 # playback/dsp needs some work before that can happen, but at least we want the audio driver side of it to make it possible 23.55.16 # void audiohw_set_sample_rate(enum Samplerates) 23.55.51 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.57.16 # is ipod nano 3rd gen supported? 23.57.23 # unpaidbill: no 23.57.31 # only first gen 23.57.34 # damn 23.57.40 # i hate apple. 23.57.44 # thanks for the reply 23.57.44 # as the front page states 23.57.45 # you should :) 23.57.49 # yeah i looked at the front page 23.57.52 # ijust hoped it was wrong 23.58.07 # Woot! got rockbox to build. 23.58.09 # * Strogg dances 23.58.26 # austriancoder: i wonder how it makes sense to implement that. the argument could either be an index into a table of supported rates, or it could take frequency as a parameter, and return the actual sample rate set