--- Log for 04.07.108 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 19 hours and 20 minutes ago 00.02.16 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 00.02.33 # anyone with a Gigabeat S and Windows around? 00.04.04 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 00.05.06 # mcuelenaere: depends, is any compilattion required? 00.07.45 Quit Genre9mp3 () 00.07.53 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.02 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.18 # Nico_P: no, I can give you the binaries 00.08.27 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.176) 00.11.44 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.11.49 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.14.08 # Any experts on battery bench here? 00.15.01 Quit Zarggg (Client Quit) 00.15.03 Nick shot0fadds is now known as shotofadds (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 00.15.38 # mcuelenaere: actually I think it's a little late for some testing right now... maybe tomorrow if noone else has done it for you 00.15.43 # sorry 00.17.40 # * Nico_P goes to bed 00.17.44 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.18.19 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 00.18.31 # bertrik - what's the question 00.18.45 # (Buschel's the expert) 00.19.03 Join ipod [0] (n=4a24592b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f932b73e67c10bc6) 00.19.31 # Nico_P: no problem 00.19.32 # how can i put a rockbox theme i downloaded onto ipod 00.19.55 # ipod: Just unzip it to the root of your iPod 00.20.12 # ok 00.20.17 # thats it 00.20.37 # I don't quite understand how often a battery measurement is logged 00.20.57 # * gevaerts wonders if there is a particular reason for that windows mtp thing to use uppercase filenames 00.21.19 # It seems there is a difference now depending on whether it's a flash target or not, with an apparent very long measurement interval for disk-based targets 00.21.34 # gevaerts: no, that's just Visual Studio I suppose.. 00.22.34 # I wonder if simply taking a measurement (say) once a minute regardless of target being disk or flash would make more sense 00.23.04 # mcuelenaere: ok. So if anyone cares, it can be changed I guess 00.23.16 # gevaerts: indeed 00.23.22 # do i overwrite the files 00.23.23 # * gevaerts doesn't care enough 00.24.57 Quit wanze () 00.25.31 # ipod: yes 00.27.48 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.29.20 # Does anyone know what the problem was with the original Cabbie version for the ? The wiki says it was removed for copyright reasons. 00.29.35 # Gigabeat logo 00.29.43 # Okay 00.29.55 # Was that also present in the other non-gigabeat versions? 00.29.56 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 00.30.22 # do they have any that shows album art 00.30.28 # that would b nice 00.30.30 # Chronon: Dunno. Maybe there was something else. 00.30.51 # * Chronon shrugs. Not a huge deal. I was just curious 00.31.23 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9273a3e5e28b9b8e) 00.32.06 # Anybody know of a album art downloader for linux 00.32.42 # anybody know of a way to get album art 00.32.48 # on ipod nano 00.32.54 # * gevaerts spots an echo 00.32.55 # ipod: read the AlbumArt page on the wiki 00.33.07 # I dont see anything for linux 00.33.13 # ok 00.33.55 # where is it 00.35.01 Quit ipod ("CGI:IRC") 00.35.35 # ipod 00.35.43 # go to rockbox.org and click on the wiki link 00.35.53 # you can even Search it 00.35.59 # bit late... 00.36.46 # bertrik - not sure, I don't recall the interval changing on disk based targets (but I don't have a flash target) 00.37.35 # xqtftqx: there's a java based one on the AlbumArt page that works in Linux. It's not automated, but I have found automated downloading to give a lot of bad hits anyway. 00.38.11 # It wont run proberly for me 00.38.23 # bertrik: I thought the measurement was logged when the voltage actually changed? Though it's only hearsay and might have changed in the meantime. 00.39.13 Join tvelocity_ [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4400803.home.otenet.gr) 00.39.44 # From wiki: "Between disk activity (or an hour), it will log info in memory (every measurement is captured when the voltage changes)." 00.42.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.19 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.43.08 # hmm, on closer inspection of the code it's done each 'disk spindown time minus 1 second' and indeed only if the voltage didn't change 00.43.16 # *did 00.43.25 Join rds [0] (n=rogelio@201.103.23.226) 00.46.33 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.33 Quit uhmgawa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.47.08 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 00.49.26 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.50.08 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.52.13 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.56.37 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.59.21 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.01.36 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよăȘら") 01.01.52 Join uhmgawa [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 01.02.58 Quit obo ("bye") 01.07.34 Quit ender` (" All slain enemies will be cremated, or at least have several rounds of ammunition emptied into them, not left for dead at t") 01.09.09 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.13.10 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.18.53 Quit TMM (Connection timed out) 01.20.32 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 01.22.25 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.28.45 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 01.29.10 Nick DarkFox is now known as hd (n=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.29.54 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.30.49 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.32.04 Nick hd is now known as DarkFox (n=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.32.26 Quit mcuelenaere () 01.45.17 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host31-168-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.48.45 Quit rds ("Leaving") 01.54.07 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.56.45 Quit CaptainKewl ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.58.56 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host31-168-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.01.48 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 02.04.20 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 02.07.53 Quit soap () 02.13.44 Part pixelma 02.15.27 Join ipod [0] (n=4a24592b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-521a54b763195bfe) 02.16.27 Quit ipod (Client Quit) 02.16.42 Join james [0] (n=4a24592b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a2fc6ddfee52bd6) 02.17.04 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.12 Nick james is now known as Guest86716 (n=4a24592b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a2fc6ddfee52bd6) 02.17.14 # can someone tell me how to get album art display on ipod nano using rockbox 02.18.01 # Have a look at the AlbumArt page on the wiki. 02.18.10 # can you link it 02.18.20 # to me cuz i cant seem to find it 02.18.30 # go to rockbox.org 02.18.36 # there's a wiki link 02.19.36 # ok i cant find the album art page 02.19.53 # You can either search for it, or you can enter the WikiWord as I wrote it 02.20.17 # I.e. enter AlbumArt in the box in the upper right hand corner. 02.23.31 # they have to be in bitmap format 02.25.44 # dj osama 02.26.13 # how do i download themes that support album art 02.29.12 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.29.15 # ? Click on the link... 02.31.52 # There's a theme gallery, or you can use the Rockbox Utility to install themes. 02.40.09 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.42.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.17 Quit Guest86716 ("CGI:IRC") 02.45.15 Quit Chronon ("Leaving") 02.45.48 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.45.53 Quit Strogg (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.46.42 Join Strogg [0] (n=jean@76.10.145.36) 02.50.48 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-87228fb264802a9a) 03.05.52 Quit soap () 03.09.47 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.10.24 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 03.12.26 Join fiftysixer [0] (n=fiftysix@adsl-76-233-70-94.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 03.13.02 Quit fiftysixer (Client Quit) 03.16.41 Join MTee_ [0] (n=mt@41.233.156.6) 03.21.29 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 03.21.44 Join i [0] (n=4a24592b@91.191.140.131) 03.22.10 # can someone walk me through how to put album art 03.22.16 # on a ipod nano 03.22.17 Nick i is now known as Guest93266 (n=4a24592b@91.191.140.131) 03.22.59 # hellois any1 there 03.24.25 # can someone walk me through how to put album art on ipod nano i got my .btm to 100x100 just need to know where to put it 03.25.04 # take a loot at the wiki 03.25.24 # yes, loot, just don't rape or pillage 03.26.08 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 03.26.17 # guess that reduced to contradictory and then nonsensical, i retract it :p 03.27.24 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.28.49 # I'm having a little trouble with the "pictureflow" plugin. 03.29.02 # become blind. 03.29.16 # It shows no album art, yet the WPS shows album art just fine. 03.29.43 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 03.29.48 # My album art consists of 40x40 .bmps in the directory "/.rockbox/albumart" 03.30.12 # Strife89: what player do you use? 03.30.23 # Sansa c250 03.30.29 # Hmm 03.30.45 # Do you have tried rockbox emulator? 03.30.58 # To see if the same problem occurs? 03.31.16 # Nah, the simulator never cooperates with me. I can't use the file browser or access plugins. 03.32.05 # Huhu. 03.32.14 # All my albums show up in PictureFlow, but with "blank" covers. 03.32.28 # If you think it's a bug, ask in the forum, in the Sansa bug section 03.33.06 # That's the thing. I'm worried that I may be using a storage method not yet implemented for the plugin. 03.33.23 # I'm really not sure. 03.33.56 Quit MTee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow 03.34.33 # And the AlbumArt wiki page..... 03.34.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 03.34.52 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.36.18 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.36.31 # I'm sorry, I'm using lynx, and it doesn't support tabbed browsing. 03.36.46 # So I won't go to see what you're talking about 03.36.46 # Open a new window. ;) 03.37.06 # I'm too lazy 03.37.19 # Okay, then. I'll point it out. 03.37.25 # =] 03.37.48 # (Warning: there won't be any pastebins: I'll paste directly into IRC.........) 03.37.58 # Hem 03.38.03 # No no, pastebin it! 03.38.03 # (Pastebins will kill the point) 03.38.14 # No, but. 03.38.17 # Raah 03.38.33 # Patsebin or no? You said you were lazy. :) 03.38.54 # Too lazy to look at the wiki yes 03.39.02 # Fine, patebin. 03.39.02 # but not to look at some source 03.39.19 # It's not source. I'm snipping from the wiki. 03.39.44 # So, yes or no? 03.39.52 # And, maybe there were some images on the wiki, which I couldn't see, since I'm in shell mode. 03.40.15 # Ok. I'll create a new window in my screen, 03.40.17 # so. 03.40.27 # http://pastebin.com/mb9ba9b2 03.41.20 # The above is from the AlbumArt page (where to put the files). I use method 4. 03.41.55 # And..... 03.41.55 # http://pastebin.com/md56dc9f 03.42.08 # That's from the PictureFlow page. 03.42.09 # * shadoxx is back ( Away 19 hours 50 mins 54 secs ) 03.42.10 # No but, don't pastebin it... 03.42.20 # I already am on the wiki =/ 03.42.29 # Oh. 03.42.33 # (sorry for all this) 03.42.39 # It's fine. 03.43.04 # Do I need to repost the Wiki links? 03.43.31 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.19 # No, no. 03.45.26 # I can scroll back 03.45.50 # the problem was about to open another shell thread. 03.46.54 # If you stop playback 03.47.00 # do the images appears? 03.48.15 # I ran the plugin with playback stopped. 03.48.22 # Not paused. 03.48.24 # Okay... 03.48.41 # So it's not a memory lack problem. 03.49.00 # When I tried it while paused (before I saw the wiki) the plugin actually crashed. >_< 03.49.34 # I'm charging the thing right now (I'm in the OF) but it's almost done, I think..... 03.49.48 Quit oofus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.49.50 # Hmm 03.50.56 # I think that you initialized the database too? 03.51.03 # Yep. :) 03.51.15 # =] 03.52.38 # Haha 03.52.41 # Screenshots 03.52.42 # Haha 03.52.45 # Well 03.52.50 # The other page, now 03.52.55 # After, i sleep. 03.53.04 # Cause I already am in bed =p 03.53.07 # Get some sleep, then. 03.53.15 # I'll worry about it tomorrow. 03.53.17 # :) 03.53.34 # 'f you want, but I can have a look 03.53.55 # Nah, it's fine. Get yourself some rest. :) 03.54.15 # thx 03.54.26 # Good night, then. 03.54.31 # I have to "wake up" in about 3 hrs. 03.54.34 # Thx 03.54.38 # Ouch. 03.54.41 # Yeah =p 03.54.42 # I' 03.54.45 # k 03.54.47 # I'm in france. 03.54.53 # USA. 03.55.00 # It's 9:54 P.M. 03.55.19 # Okay, 'night. :) 03.55.19 # And I experience some issues with the enter touch, situated far too close to the ' one. 03.55.35 # s/touch/key 03.56.08 # Thx. 03.56.20 # Bye. :) 03.56.20 # gd n8 to u2. 03.56.23 # BB o/ 03.56.26 Part Strife89 03.57.10 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 04.12.34 Quit Thundercloud_ (Connection timed out) 04.23.28 Quit Thundercloud__ (Remote closed the connection) 04.29.06 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.29.35 Quit MTee_ (Client Quit) 04.32.19 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 04.37.08 Quit Glorfindel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.37.14 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.42.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.49.33 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.02 # * wpyh has finished another round of runtime testing on iPod 5.5g 04.55.37 # Buschel: looping one song at 320kbps, I get about 21:15 with RB and 22:00 with the OF 04.56.26 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF405A.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.56.48 # Buschel: it seems that we aren't able to rule out the disk access factor yet... and it also seems that even the OF uses similar caching/buffering strategies as RB 04.58.45 Quit Horscht ("Snak 5.3.3 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 05.03.03 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.42 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.05.55 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 05.07.21 Quit Guest93266 ("CGI:IRC") 05.18.58 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 05.28.32 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 05.33.35 Quit tvelocity_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.34.24 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.36.49 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 06.06.39 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.07.16 Join SETH_HIKARU [0] (i=SETH_HIK@host-126-183-3-96.midco.net) 06.09.57 # i remembered my question!.... i get a plugin returned error on disk_tidy when i start to clean up, it always stops at the same folder and says plugin returmed error 06.10.45 # returned* 06.15.58 Quit DarkFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.16.17 Join DarkFox [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 06.17.27 # um can somebody anwser my question i just stated above please and if you can't read it, say something all ill post it again 06.17.43 # and not all 06.18.01 # there are 115 people in here, your message is seen. People will answer when they can if they can, don't worry. 06.18.36 # well it kinda sounds like nobody is talking because nothing is coming up on my screen 06.18.48 # im just saying 06.18.57 # you're right, nobody is talking right now. 06.19.24 # SETH_HIKARU, there is slow times on here 06.19.34 # It's 6 am in europe, 5 am in England, and midnight on the east coast of the USA. That's a large segment of the community asleep. 06.19.53 # sooo whats uh... going on 06.20.32 # this isnt the ipodlinux irc channel help is not volutay here otherwaise it would state that 06.20.45 # *voluntary 06.21.43 # 1. People are usually not *always* looking at the IRC window. 2. Not everyone knows the answer. 3. What do you mean not voluntary? The whole project is voluntary. 06.21.52 # I'm not sure I understand your last statement, or was that a question? We do have IRC guidelines, which not only explain what the rules are - but might help you understand the "culture" of the channel and the expectations. 06.22.05 # How do I checkout svn? 06.22.21 # Please read the channel topic for a link to said guidelines as well as other useful information. 06.22.30 # oh, duh 06.22.36 # forgot about that. sorry 06.22.36 # sorry shadoxx, that was for SETH_HIKARU. 06.22.41 # oh 06.22.56 # shadoxx, do you have a dev environment set up already? 06.23.13 # Well, you can compile rockbox on Linux right? 06.23.27 # I figure I'll just apt-get whatever I don't have 06.23.36 # Yes, provided you have the right tools installed. If you want to build for a target, you need the cross-compilers. 06.23.40 # soap: im saying this isnt like the ipodlinux irc channel where help is voluntary there and i remembered i ignore a whole bunch of people who would have probably answer my question i first stated when i came it here 06.23.41 # shadoxx, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers has everything you need. 06.23.49 # ty soap 06.24.19 # I found that someone else had already tried to start a port to the YH-820 06.24.34 # Apparently I need the tatung bootloader 06.24.44 # shadoxx, you are going to need to more than apt-get, you are also going to need to run the rockboxdev.sh script to build the cross-compilers. That being said that wiki index page I linked you should have everything you need. 06.24.57 # kk 06.25.40 # BigBambi: I have unignored you so you can answer my question now 06.25.57 # SETH_HIKARU, this channel is (in many ways) exactly like the ipodlinux channel. It is the same in that the projects are both all voluntary. It is different in that #rockbox is not for social chat. 06.26.20 # that is if you are actually not idling like i think you are 06.28.00 # * SETH_HIKARU slaps BigBambi around a bit with a large trout 06.28.32 # BisBambi: Are you there now to answer my question I first stated? 06.30.44 # SETH_HIKARU, some people are not at their computers or not viewing their irc clients.. so please hold on 06.31.30 # im trying i unignored all the people i ignored 06.31.42 # ill just state my question again 06.31.55 # i get a plugin returned error on disk_tidy when i start to clean up, it always stops at the same folder and says plugin returmed error 06.33.18 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 06.35.28 # getting.. tired... of waiting 06.36.17 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 06.36.19 Quit SirFunk (No route to host) 06.36.31 # someone has to be at least be able to somewhat help me with my question cause i know at least with 115 people in here at least 20 are bound to be looking at there screen now 06.37.27 # SETH_HIKARU, it just depends on when the people sleep and work tho 06.39.22 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 06.39.41 # well your here what do you do sit around and do nothing cant you help me with my question 06.39.44 # please 06.39.49 # if you can say that 06.40.00 # *can't 06.40.14 # SETH_HIKARU: I'm sure if someone could help you they would have answered you by now 06.40.19 # It is 12:40AM 06.40.28 # ya your time 06.40.35 # Some people have to work in the morning 06.40.56 # and you people are talking to me so that implies something 06.41.05 # you can answer my question 06.41.20 # If people don't know the answer, they won't say anything. 06.41.21 # I don't know how I got here. I not good with computer. 06.41.27 # I don't think it's a good idea for all 100 people to say "I'm sorry, I don't know the answer". You'll flood the channel. 06.42.09 # well thats to bad but i hate waiting for stuff 06.42.17 # for like several days at a time 06.42.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.43.03 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.43.24 # SETH_HIKARU, you could look at the logs to see if people might have asked it before too 06.43.55 # or even someone replied to you when you are not here 06.44.02 Join _vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d191238.adsl.hansenet.de) 06.44.03 # well where the heck are the logs pray i might ask 06.44.49 # http://rockbox.org/irc 06.45.22 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 06.46.29 # You can search them with google with " site:rockbox.org/irc" 06.48.37 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 06.49.49 # ya i see that 06.51.31 Quit SirFunk_ (Connection timed out) 06.51.37 # well im leaving cause im not waiting for an answer goodbye 06.51.39 Part SETH_HIKARU 06.55.37 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.08.39 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 07.08.51 Join Shaid3 [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 07.13.25 Quit daurnimas (Excess Flood) 07.13.41 Join daurnimas [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 07.26.15 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.27.31 Quit SirFunk__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.27.50 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.27.54 Join jimmy1990 [0] (n=4a24592b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6fe5019a602192cb) 07.28.00 Nick Shaid3 is now known as Shaid (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 07.28.18 # can someone tell me where to put albun art in rockbox 07.29.53 # ive read the wiki on it i dont understand where to put them 07.34.03 # can anyone help me 07.35.29 # Isn't it embedded in the MP3 jimmy1990? 07.35.33 # as metadata 07.36.00 # no 07.36.10 # i got all my tracks in acc 07.36.12 # As far as I know, embedded art doesn't work 07.36.17 # aac 07.36.22 # o what up im ipod 07.36.27 # frm las nite 07.36.29 # lol 07.36.36 # oh hi 07.37.04 # So the wiki page you're talking about is rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt ? 07.37.13 # yea 07.37.26 # i dont get where the hell im supposed to put it 07.37.28 # How are your covers named? 07.37.35 # hold on 07.38.17 # just the album name 07.38.26 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 07.38.38 # Are they bitmaps (.bmp) ? 07.38.43 # yea 07.38.56 # and they is 100x100 07.39.04 # i knew i had to do that 07.39.13 # but now where do i put it 07.39.31 # Does the album name exactly match the album name that is in the music files' metadata? 07.39.39 # metadata = tags 07.39.58 # hold on 07.40.13 # sure does 07.41.38 # Are you using a WPS that uses album art? 07.41.55 # u mean the theme 07.42.02 # Yes. FYI the default theme does support it. 07.42.48 # i know i got aapodsvn 07.43.22 # i just dont know where am i supposed to put the album art 07.43.41 # It should be in the same folder as the music file. 07.44.04 # well all my music is in the database 07.44.21 # Yes, but it still has a physical location on the disk. 07.44.38 # where is it 07.44.54 # Did you put the music on via iTunes? 07.45.21 # yea 07.46.13 # Okay, then all the music will have munted filenames. You're going to have to put the covers in /.rockbox/albumart/ and name them artist-albumtitle.bmp 07.46.42 # ok i will try 07.48.17 # put it looking 07.48.36 # huh? 07.48.41 # still nothing 07.49.02 # what is one of the filenames you've used? 07.49.10 # for a cover? 07.49.41 # Plies-My World.bmp 07.51.49 # Hold on, i'm gonna test that filename pattern - I only ever used cover.bmp before. 07.52.02 # k 07.52.22 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 07.53.27 Quit mf0102 (Client Quit) 07.56.19 # will it work if my tracks are aac 07.56.31 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.57.45 # Yeah, it shouldn't matter what format they are, just that they have tags for artist and album that Rockbox can see. 07.58.06 # do they have to b id3 07.58.29 # but all my shit is named right 07.58.54 # No it doesn't have to be ID3, because I have OGGs 07.59.28 # so then if worse comes to worse what am i going to haveta do 07.59.55 # I don't have a tag editor installed to test that specific album/artist, but ".rockbox/albumart/Electric Wizard-Dopethrone.bmp" works fine 08.00.52 # then why isnt mine working 08.00.55 # ?? 08.01.12 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-171.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 08.01.36 # Doesn't AAC use like, Apple's Atom metadata? I ask because I honestly have no clue 08.01.49 # If you look at the properties for the music file (from the context menu), can you see the artist and album tags? 08.02.15 # ok holdon 08.02.47 # umean in rockbox rite 08.02.54 # erm.. can you find out the filename from the database? I don't use it. 08.02.59 # yes 08.03.04 # yea 08.03.31 # You can see the artist and album tags? 08.04.05 # yea 08.04.19 # when i open the album folder i see the name of the album 08.05.04 # then when i press the album i see the indivdal track names 08.06.40 # i dont understand why the hell its not working 08.07.02 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D6EF.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.08.19 # wpyh: (for the logs) I still doubt your assumption about only HDD being the main factor for runtime diff between OF and RB on 5G 08.09.12 # what do i gotta do to beable to get this to work 08.09.28 # i like to have my album art on all my stuff 08.09.28 # wpyh: your OF-measurements shows that it uses average ~26.4mA, RB uses ~27.3mA. But you switched off the power supply for accessories -- the OF always enables this. 08.09.43 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host31-168-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.09.46 # jimmy1990: you could try running it in the simulator and see what files it tries to open 08.09.57 # how do i do that 08.10.06 # where is the simulator 08.10.27 # wpyh: so, there is at least a difference of ~0.9mA + 1.5mA (accessory supply) = 2.4mA which equals about 7MHz clock 08.10.52 # jimmy1990: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ 08.11.23 # i gottadownload 08.12.09 # wpyh: hmm, whereas some MHz might be connected to WPS-updating... we do not know about influence of GUI updates within the OF 08.13.06 # wpyh: RB needs about 4MHz for WPS @5fps (the fps are hardcoded) 08.13.23 # im downloading now 08.14.24 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.15.05 # now its building the data base 08.15.45 # * Buschel wonders if it is possible to further optmize WPS-code to only perform full screen updates, if the content changed 08.15.58 # idk how to use it 08.16.19 # so what do i gotta do to get my album art displayed 08.16.31 # e.g. time updates will be necessary only once per second, not 5 times per second 08.16.45 # jimmy1990, extract the zip archive somewhere, then do Start->Run-> "cmd". 08.16.58 # and the progress bar shall be drawn @5fps, but it doesn't need a full screen update 08.17.01 Quit gevaerts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.17.07 # ok 08.17.22 # i did start run cmd a blk window popes up 08.17.57 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Ex-Chat") 08.17.59 # in the black window, type "cd " 08.18.37 # and press enter 08.20.35 # you can copy-paste the directory name into the black window 08.21.05 # do u got windows messenger 08.21.11 # no 08.21.29 # can u dowload it and do remote assisance 08.21.52 # cuz i aint getting this worth a fuck 08.21.53 # Buschel: The mono bitmap drawing can be optimized further. I am already thinking about it 08.22.19 # amiconn: how is this connected to the WPS? fonts? 08.22.25 Quit shadoxx (Remote closed the connection) 08.22.38 # Buschel: Every single letter is a mono bitmap. 08.22.55 # amiconn: ok, a step in the right direction 08.23.29 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.23.29 # amiconn: but (on a 5G) the main factor seems to be updating to BCM 08.23.39 Quit Nibbler (No route to host) 08.23.49 # amiconn: 1 fps = 30/37 MHz 08.23.56 # srry man im jus new at this shit 08.24.06 # and u sound like u kno more bout this than me 08.24.27 # Maybe it is for the WPS. Optimizing mono bitmap drawing will help when scrolling lists with long lines especially on G5 08.24.31 # mayb im doing something wrong and not noticeing it u kno 08.24.39 # jimmy1990: Please use proper english in here. 08.24.48 # ok 08.24.52 # my bad 08.25.04 # but why 08.25.21 # jimmy1990, okay i've got windows messenger 08.25.29 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 08.25.32 # what is your screen name 08.25.40 # because i forgot mine 08.25.41 # lol 08.25.57 # so have i.. 08.26.15 # amiconn: for WPS: 1st option is to reduce full updates (only when content changed), 2nd option could be to use VP-rectangles (only draw these rectangles if content changed)... 08.26.26 # what email addy did you put your sn under 08.26.31 # but this would mean a lot of work, i guess 08.27.06 # jimmy1990, okay it's eightysevenmerc@yahoo.com.au 08.27.49 # hold on 08.28.15 # have to close all your porn windows? 08.28.19 # r u online 08.28.28 # yep 08.28.28 # lil 08.28.31 # lol 08.28.33 # amiconn: i once implemented a dirty-hack that saved the wps-content from the last update and compared it to the next wps-content (via string compare). screen update was only performed when there was at least one difference in the context 08.28.37 # it says your offline 08.28.54 # there 08.29.11 # amiconn: this limited the screen update to ~1fps (not taking into account volume changes or battery percent changes) 08.29.29 # amiconn: evil code though... 08.29.39 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 08.31.50 # * Buschel is leaving for work now 08.31.54 Quit Buschel () 08.32.40 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host31-168-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.33.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 08.33.46 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF405A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.33.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Remote closed the connection) 08.35.15 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.35.40 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.37.21 Quit jimmy1990 ("CGI:IRC") 08.39.47 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE023.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.42.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.44 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.51.34 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.53.49 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08.58.32 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.59.43 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.00.53 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 09.03.29 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.05.43 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host224-213-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.06.27 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.12.44 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.17.43 # * preglow thinks he found his os x problem 09.18.51 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1d19259046002b4c) 09.24.40 # * petur found a GPL violation... somebody offering a bugfix in the form of a binary :/ 09.28.19 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-240-099.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.29.41 # petur: where exactly? 09.30.06 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14524.msg129004#msg129004 09.30.17 # most violations are just by ignorance 09.30.28 # probably 09.30.46 # I'm just too curious what the fix is ;) 09.33.21 # hmmm seems to be some register settings 09.33.49 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@044-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 09.34.35 # from reading the comments on that site, they just did trial and error changes until it worked 09.34.59 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.38.16 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 09.39.36 # I'm also curious about the KarlMarx wiki name 09.40.19 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 09.41.10 Quit ze (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.43.25 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.44.08 Join Lambdumb [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 09.50.39 # hahaha 09.51.02 # could exist, some parents give their kids stupid names 09.52.19 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A77D0.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.52.52 # * wpyh thinks petur can change the wording a bit 09.52.57 # it's too harsh IMO 09.53.14 # fair enough 09.53.28 # :-\ 09.54.40 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@217.111.93.215) 09.55.06 # petur: yeah, you left out the words "flaming torches", "pitchforks" and "angry mob" 09.55.31 # there, that better? 09.55.40 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-062.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 09.56.38 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 09.56.51 Quit Lambduh (Connection timed out) 09.57.25 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.57.32 # petur: that's better :) 09.58.04 Quit Nibbler (Client Quit) 10.04.48 Quit k4y (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.08.08 Join k4y [0] (n=jackass@dsl-241-201-87.telkomadsl.co.za) 10.08.17 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 10.26.11 # Huzzah! The lua viewer works. 10.26.47 # lua, the script? 10.26.51 # congrats ;) 10.26.59 # yes, lua the script 10.27.02 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-171.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.27.34 # safetydan: what does that mean? lua interpreter? 10.28.05 # yep 10.28.11 # Nico_P, yes. It would basically add the ability to execute .lua files on Rockbox. Very early days yet though 10.28.41 # nice 10.28.50 # is there any possibility of moving existing functionality over to Lua scripts? 10.29.09 # (i mean, obviously it's still early, i was just wondering if there was a bigger plan) 10.29.11 # I'm not sure why you'd want to... 10.29.30 # wanted to ask the same 10.29.45 # my thoughts are mostly for plugin prototyping 10.29.55 # i see 10.30.12 # it would be cool if i could tweak builtin rockbox behaviour by twiddling/writing my own Lua scripts 10.30.24 # also as a way (if it's performant enough) to write some plugins 10.30.24 # or extend rockbox that way too 10.30.40 # because we need more plugins... 10.31.23 # safetydan: what are you basing your code on? 10.32.51 # pixelma, probably not, but who knows what scripting might bring 10.33.05 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 10.33.06 # Nico_P, lua 5.1 with a simple plugin wrapper 10.34.15 Join SxSBruce [0] (i=IceChat7@117.80.29.204) 10.34.17 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 10.35.54 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3059.gwdg.de) 10.38.14 # safetydan: isn't lua c++? 10.38.17 # * pixelma mumbles something about documentation (and knows now that she's good at mumbling) ;\ 10.38.56 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.39.44 # preglow: it's written in C 10.40.24 # k 10.40.39 # can't say i see the use for a lua plug, but i guess the prototyping argument is a good one 10.40.43 # prototyping things in c isn't much fun 10.40.52 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 10.41.49 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-064.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 10.42.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.43.45 # safetydan: didn't use also start to rewrite the graphical eq screen? :) 10.43.55 # s/use/you 10.44.31 # pixelma, yes, yes I did. It's one of a number of things I have sitting in various trees on my computer :) 10.44.59 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.45.19 # nothing beats sitting in a tree programming ;-P 10.45.46 # ha 10.49.54 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.50.48 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.50.51 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.51.26 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d205-250-153-18.bchsia.telus.net) 10.51.48 # * safetydan sees note icons in reader.pl 10.52.24 Quit Egil (Remote closed the connection) 10.52.49 # safetydan: will lua plugins be able to use sqlite databases ? 10.53.01 # the icons don't appear on /me lines... 10.53.27 # * Nico_P likes this addtion 10.53.45 # B4gder: higlighting also doesn't work on /me lines 10.53.49 # gevaerts, that would mean embedding sqlite in the lua viewer which would probably make the plugin too large to load 10.54.20 # safetydan: then we'll just have to increase the plugin buffer size. This is too important! 10.54.25 # hehe 10.54.42 # gevaerts: we still need to find a use for sqlite :) 10.54.52 Join Miles [0] (i=[U2FsdGV@65.98.26.250) 10.54.57 # Nico_P: exactly. This could be the one 10.55.05 # I was really hoping sqlite would compile down to a smaller size 10.57.35 # safetydan: maybe it can be tuned down a bit 10.57.51 # how big did lua end up? 10.58.05 Quit MethoS_ (Success) 10.58.24 # preglow, don't know yet. It's only running in the sim. Allegedly it can be compiled in 63k 10.58.32 # not bad 10.58.42 Quit cool_walking_ (" ") 10.59.15 # Nico_P, I think the smallest sqlite can get is 160k though I could never get it that small 11.01.16 # safetydan: IIRC with everything included it was ~250K (gevaerts?)... if you manage to get lua under 100K it's still OK, isn't it? 11.01.45 # s/K/k 11.01.52 # why is sqlite so important here? 11.01.53 # how big is the plugin buffer anyway? 11.02.05 # half a meg, afaik 11.02.16 # preglow, every operating system needs a database right? 11.02.32 # preglow: easy. A lot of people find sqlite useless, and a lot of people find lua useless, so the logical thing to do is to combine them :) 11.02.39 # hahaha 11.02.55 # i see more use for lua itself as a prototyping tool than anything else, and sqlite fits poorly then 11.03.16 # gevaerts: sounds like the Top Gear synopsis for the Mazda RX-8 11.03.17 # could replace the settings system: select volume from settings, update settings set volume = -30, and so forth :) 11.03.27 # safetydan: 512KB on 16MB+ targets, 32KB on lowmem targets 11.03.57 Quit SxSBruce (Connection timed out) 11.07.22 # lets just increase the plugin buffer size so we can stuff more hated code into this thing :> 11.12.19 # so what else then, an OpenGL ES implementation? OpenAL for 3d sound as well? 11.12.46 # now that i have a mac i'd like some objective-c apis as well :P 11.27.43 # * gevaerts has horrible visions about lua-scripted WPSes 11.28.39 # * wpyh wonders what good is lua for 11.30.01 # gevaerts, there was a suggestion for that floating around at one point... 11.31.03 # If there are enough lua APIs, you could do all sorts of things, like playlist converters and generators 11.32.28 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 11.34.27 # that's what I'm hoping might happen, especially since scripts are more easily shared than binaries 11.35.53 # as long as we don't have to hook that thing into the core,,, 11.35.58 # ... <- 11.36.42 # We don't. The only thing that may be needed is extending the plugin API a bit 11.36.58 # yeah this is not something I would ever expect to see in the core 11.39.23 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@217.111.93.215) 11.40.57 # we could hook the stdin/stdout of lua to usb serial 11.43.36 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-208-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 11.43.37 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.54.11 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-203.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.00.35 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf40@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d724048a012956a2) 12.05.18 # * pixelma wonders what to do about this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17513.msg129039#msg129039 12.05.32 # I'd thik that's still violating the copyright 12.05.42 # think too 12.07.40 Part B4gder 12.08.23 # or not openly, if one gives him the benefit of a doubt, he'll just tell them how to fix the themes... 12.09.22 # pixelma: He certainly hasn't answered the licence question 12.10.52 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.37.58 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@host86-148-184-186.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) 12.42.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.42.32 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 12.52.20 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 13.06.13 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-006.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 13.09.28 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.15.06 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.23.21 Join TMM [0] (n=hp@c514753fe.cable.wanadoo.nl) 13.28.22 Quit bertrik ("bye") 13.30.41 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.31.15 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@044-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 13.35.59 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 13.38.20 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be) 13.39.05 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.39.19 # Nico_P: around? 13.40.22 # yes 13.40.23 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.40.56 # I scared him away it seems 13.42.55 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.43.04 # Nico_P: naah, that's my internet connection 13.43.51 # can I send you the binary? 13.43.52 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A77D0.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.44.04 # (regarding the testing of Gigabeat S and MTP uploading within Windows) 13.44.52 # mcuelenaere: I'm at work and don't have my beast with me 13.45.22 # but you can still send me the binary and I'll test this evening 13.45.23 # Nico_P: ah ok, then I'll wait till the evening unless somebody else is willing to help me? 13.46.05 # Nico_P: is DCC ok? 13.47.13 # * GodEater has a beast to hand... 13.47.26 # GodEater: and Windows? and free time? :) 13.47.34 # * GodEater thinks so ;) 13.47.52 # ok then, do you want to compile the binary yourself or shall I send it you? 13.48.05 # mcuelenaere: if mibbit accepts it, yes 13.48.06 # (it's in utils/MTP/, just do make sendfirm.exe with mingw installed) 13.48.16 # you'll have to send it 13.48.25 # I don't have a build env. for mingw 13.48.52 # GodEater, Nico_P: DCC: Sending request, Awaiting reply 13.49.19 # BTW you'll need the MTP_DLL.dll from utils/MTP/ to run it 13.49.38 # and the sendfirm.exe.manifest (some quirk of MS) 13.50.17 # * GodEater gets connection failure through mibbit's DCC interface =( 13.50.25 # I'll upload it 13.50.36 # I'd upload *everything* 13.50.42 # I have no svn access from work either 13.50.47 # ok 13.50.58 # sorry to be a pain :) 13.51.21 # same here 13.52.15 # http://www.sendspace.com/file/qfszuq 13.53.00 # mcuelenaere: bad news - blocked from work 13.53.07 # perhaps I shouldn't have volunteered :( 13.53.18 # * Nico_P got the file 13.53.20 # ok :) I'll upload it to my ISP server 13.55.44 # GodEater: http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/MTP.zip 13.56.17 # hurray - got it :) 13.56.36 # :) now find a nk.bin file to upload 13.57.14 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.57.19 # I have one of those 13.57.32 # good, now try it if it works 13.57.50 # it's a CLI, so pretty easy; just sendfirm.exe [LOCATION_OF_NK.BIN] 13.58.31 # if this works, I believe this will make the Gigabeat S one step closer to a release? 13.59.05 # certainly will 13.59.09 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@217.111.93.215) 13.59.13 # * GodEater copies the nk.bin to his windows pc 14.02.14 # I need mingw on the machine I'm going to be running it on right ? 14.02.21 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.02.27 # normally not, why do you ask? 14.02.44 # just checking 14.02.49 # it requires the MS VC 2005 redistributable thingy though 14.02.50 # * GodEater won't bother downloading it then 14.02.54 # VC++* 14.05.55 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.06.39 # What does HAVE_FLASH_DISK mean? the only target that defines is (as far as I can see) is the ifp7xx 14.08.00 # * GodEater 's beast's screen says "Updating" 14.08.01 Join webguest66 [0] (n=d9e1dce6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-af3645cf5f46aa54) 14.08.34 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.08.45 # GodEater: does that mean it worked? 14.08.46 # mcuelenaere: the beast is saying "updating" 14.08.53 # but it's *still* saying that 14.08.55 # for info, trying to locate flashing instructions on the wiki for Archos V1 is a excercise in frustration 14.08.56 # it seems to be taking too long 14.09.22 # hmm just wait a bit, perhaps there is some minor difference in the process between the beast and the ZVM 14.09.41 # * GodEater thinks this took next to no time at all with the linux version 14.10.00 # hmm so that means some debugging will be needed :( 14.10.06 # possibly =/ 14.10.18 # too bad, I hoped it would've worked on the beast too 14.10.20 # * GodEater also wonders what he's going to do with his beast now... 14.10.33 # isn't it just writing to HDD? 14.10.41 # * webguest66 delegates a delegated to fix 14.11.26 # well I've ctrl-c'd the sendfirm 14.11.34 # the beast then said "Finishing" 14.11.46 # hmm ok so it seems the Send File process hangs 14.11.49 Quit webguest66 (Client Quit) 14.12.14 # well it's done *something* 14.12.25 # the RB bootloader appears to have disappeared 14.12.43 # so it hasn't sent the whole file? 14.15.38 # not sure 14.15.50 # * GodEater is attempting to reload the rb dual boot loader on to it 14.16.28 # mcuelenaere: for comparison, the linux sendfirm works in less than a second 14.17.24 # hmm where can I find an firmware uploader for the beast? 14.17.40 # (one from the OF) 14.17.42 # for* 14.17.56 # I mean, the one that you get from Toshiba 14.18.00 # mcuelenaere: There was never a firmware update for the S 14.18.15 # There is a hacked V updater that does it linked from the wiki 14.18.20 # ah, so the hacked gigabeat V updater was always used? 14.18.25 # yes 14.18.42 # afaik :) 14.18.51 # ok got it 14.18.53 # yes 14.19.17 # hopefully it has some nice debugging strings in it.. 14.20.16 # who hacked the fw updater? 14.20.35 # zunepet 14.20.36 # ah zunept 14.20.38 # zunepet* 14.20.39 # afaik 14.22.49 # * GodEater finds he has an out of date GBS bootloader 14.24.15 # mcuelenaere: I think your code isn't far off working 14.24.23 # ah I think I know the bug 14.24.23 # it just seems to not "finish" up the copy properly 14.24.37 # killing the copy manually seemed to indicate the whole nk.bin had been sent properly 14.24.38 # indeed, it seems to try adding the file again and again and again 14.26.16 # GodEater: could you try again with http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/MTP_DLL.dll ? 14.26.35 # this even show some debug information 14.26.39 # shows* 14.27.09 # * gevaerts thinks that GodEater might well be motivated to keep trying until his beast is fixed :) 14.27.36 Join oofus [0] (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 14.28.07 # * GodEater just fixed his beast, but will retest again happily 14.28.34 # good :) 14.30.05 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 14.30.19 # I'll also make sure I use the right nk.bin this time :) 14.30.27 # :) 14.30.28 # one which actually has a rockbox bootloader in it 14.30.33 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.30.43 # poor mcuelenaere 14.33.17 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-161-117.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 14.34.47 # worked perfectly this time ;) 14.35.56 # * GodEater thinks mcuelenaere has cracked the windows install problem for the beast 14.36.09 # \o/ 14.36.20 # Now just power management :) 14.36.26 # \o/ /o\ 14.36.43 # yep, and then we can chuck the dual bootloader crap 14.36.47 # yes 14.36.56 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.37.02 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 14.37.06 # which means no issues with finding the "original" nk.bin 14.37.16 # That is the problem at the moment - you need dual boot to charge, but we can't give you the OF to make a dual boot 14.37.16 # it worked? yeey :) 14.37.18 # ah, and domonoky can integrate this into rbutil forthwith ;) 14.37.23 # mcuelenaere: yep - perfectly 14.38.17 # BTW could you give me what sendfirm.exe said on "RET = 0x%x" 14.38.18 # ? 14.38.33 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 14.39.57 # 0x0 14.40.14 # that's the result, not a peculiar smiley btw 14.40.29 # ok, it's different from the ZVM but the code can handle it 14.41.02 # Genre9mp3, I'm working on replacing the ata_disk_is_active call by the ata idle callback mechanism 14.41.53 # bertrik, I see 14.42.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.46.53 # Genre9mp3, (unfortunately?) I couldn't resist simplifying some stuff 14.47.33 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.50.38 # why unfortunately? 14.59.35 # I ripped some things out that seemed overly complex, especially the scheduling of battery measurements. It's now purely time-based (e.g. every 60 seconds) and does not depend anymore on disk timeouts or whether music is playing or not. 15.00.35 # (I won't commit this without more discussion and testing of course) 15.01.41 Part LinusN 15.02.41 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.235) 15.06.40 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A4BEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.06.59 Quit Arathis2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.10.48 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.117) 15.13.42 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.13.49 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.20.18 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.24.22 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.06 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.34.41 # bertrik: What happens if the disk isn't spinning? Does the every 60 seconds cache them until the disk is spinning, and write then? 15.36.22 # Llorean, yes, it caches up to 1000 entries 15.37.46 # Why not just cache up to "as mush as the the remaining plugin buffer can hold"? 15.38.03 # Though it does seem unlikely you'd need that many 15.39.02 # *much 15.39.15 # Llorean: want to check out mcuelenaere's latest piece of work and make sure I wasn't just a fluke ? :) 15.39.16 # The old cache size was set at 16000 bytes, I didn't change that yet 15.39.39 # (each measurement is 16 bytes) 15.40.43 # bertrik: While unlikely, 1000 entries at 60 seconds per is a little less than 17 hours. I can imagine a full buffer containing more than that with some of the non-streaming formats in extremely rare cases, and it doesn't really hurt to use more plugin buffer. 15.41.04 # GodEater: What's this? 15.41.17 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.41.28 # * gevaerts agrees. If someone runs a battery test with mods, not having to rebuffer is possible 15.41.32 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d15f794aeaa6f641) 15.41.38 # Llorean: a Windows native MTP fw uploader 15.41.41 # Llorean: I'll answer for him: win sendfirm 15.41.49 # stupid back key 15.42.11 # Llorean, OK how can I find out how much space can be used? 15.42.18 # gevaerts: Or SID if we ever support reading a track time database. 15.42.42 # bertrik: I'm not sure. But it's probably a lot more than 16k. How big is the plugin itself? 15.42.52 # mcuelenaere: I'd be happy to try it. 15.42.58 # * Llorean goes to find his beast. 15.43.06 # 32 or 64 bit windows? (Vista only, I'm afraid) 15.43.10 # Llorean: good, do you need the binaries or will you compile them yourself? 15.43.27 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4BEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.43.29 # try both, with a bit of luck it works on 64bit :) 15.43.54 # I'd need the binaries, don't have any compilers set up for windows 15.44.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatSInfo/MTP.zip 15.44.36 # it behaves like the normal sendfirm 15.45.22 # Llorean, bertrik: don't forget that the battery_bench should also run on Archos players as it does now 15.45.27 # bertrik: grep PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE firmware/export/config-* 15.45.39 # I remember something like 32k for archos 15.45.57 # pixelma: It probably doesn't need to be expanded for Archoses, though. 15.46.06 # expanded? 15.46.07 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4409751.home.otenet.gr) 15.46.14 # pixelma: The number of entries to cache 15.47.48 # the battery bench plugin itself is about 2k code, RAM use is dominated by the measurement cache 15.49.22 # bertrik: You could make it dynamic, and use plugin_get_buffer() 15.49.39 # bertrik: maybe #define BUF_SIZE (PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE - 8192) ? 8K should be enough 15.49.40 # mcuelenaere: Vista-32: The Gigabeat's screen displayed "Updating" and the program reported success 15.49.49 # Ah, no scrap that 15.50.13 # A tsr plugin *must not* use plugin_get_buffer(). And it must not use up all plugin ram statically either 15.50.19 # Llorean: no "Finishing"? 15.51.01 # mcuelenaere: It did that too. 15.51.13 # Llorean: ah ok, so that means success? 15.51.39 # As far as I can tell, yes. 15.51.44 # Trying on 64-bit now 15.51.45 # * gevaerts thinks that Llorean should brick his beast first, just to be sure 15.52.05 # Ok, gevaerts' proposal sounds reasonable 15.52.47 # I'd rather stick to the 16k 15.53.25 # amiconn: why can't you use all of the plugin RAM? 15.53.32 # Maybe force a spinup if the buffer is full ? That would still give more meaningful results than stopping logging 15.53.36 # * Llorean apparently needs to install a windows update for his 64-bit machine to see it 15.55.44 # mcuelenaere: Normal plugins can, but tsr plugins must not do that. The core uses plugin_bet_buffer() itself for some things, e.g. for the playlist viewer 15.56.25 # amiconn: so how do tsr plugins know how much RAM they can take? 15.56.35 # is that decided at compile-time? 15.57.08 # gevaerts, what to do if the buffer is full is indeed an interesting question. I doubt that it happens often, 1000 entries is >16 hours with a 60s interval. 15.57.18 # Everything that's statically allocated is ok 15.58.17 # spinning the disk sounds OK to me 15.58.22 # It might be though that if the remaining plugin buffer becomes too small (in the tsr plugin case), that core fieatures like the playlist viewer stop working. 15.58.31 # ugh... two sides borrowing memory from each other sounds like it needs some memory management/allocation system 15.59.10 # mcuelenaere: I can't test in Vista x64 because it seems to refuse to recognize my Gigabeat S in general. If I solve this, I'll let you know the results later. 15.59.11 # the plugin buffer looks like a malloc pool IMHO 15.59.19 # The system works very well for normal (foreground) plugins, as a foreground plugin and the playlist veiwer cannot be active at the same time 15.59.40 # Llorean: ok 16.00.06 # the cuesheet viewer also uses the plugin buffer 16.01.30 # plus some things *are* implemented as plugins, like credits, properties,.. 16.02.10 # yes, indeed I noticed I could not view properties with battery bench active 16.03.20 # has making the plugin buffer a pool for a basic form of malloc ever been considered? 16.03.41 # What I would do is allocate PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE-32k, with a minimum of 16k. (change numbers according to taste) 16.03.52 # * gevaerts hands Nico_P a pitchfork-proof vest 16.04.29 # * Nico_P quickly puts the vest on 16.06.45 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279530572.dsl.bell.ca) 16.09.50 # * preglow curses apple's retard compiler 16.09.54 Quit homielowe () 16.16.58 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB0811.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.19.37 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.21.22 # * GodEater catches up with Zero Punctuation 16.22.36 # I think I'll stick to the current 16000 bytes for now during testing 16.30.25 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@124-168-68-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) 16.33.28 Join SxSBruce [0] (n=zzq@121.227.202.27) 16.37.16 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.38.05 # GodEater: Which pub are we starting in? 16.38.42 # * pondlife apologises for OT-ness and scurries 16.42.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.47.07 Part stooo 16.48.07 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 16.50.37 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 16.51.33 # pondlife: pubs == beer == on topic :) 16.51.51 # Yep, but I'm in -community now too 16.52.25 # ... where it is off topic ;) 16.52.34 # Never 16.52.50 # Houses exploding are on topic in -community though :) 16.57.02 # pixelma, I attempted to address the WPS modification thread you mentioned earlier today. Feel free to discuss if you think I'm being overly hard-line about it. 16.58.29 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.01.26 Part Llorean 17.03.56 Join ian80 [0] (n=loqui@98.105.115.31) 17.04.09 Quit petur ("connection reset by beer") 17.05.27 # I having a problem with rockbox util in Ubuntu 8.04 with a Sansa e260... maybe someone can help? 17.05.41 Quit Shaid (Network is unreachable) 17.06.20 # ian80, you need to specifically describe said problem, and your attempts to resolve it so far. Nobody here (outside GodEater) can read minds. ;) 17.07.18 # haha... ok here it is: rbutil autodetects a "sansa e200" fine on "/media/Sansa e260", but I get the message "no sansas found" when I try an install. 17.07.33 # i can browse the device just fine in gnome. 17.07.55 # ian80: do you have root priviledges (i.e. did you run rbutil with sudo) ? 17.08.17 # no, i didn't... sorry if i missed that in the manual... lemme try. 17.09.08 # thanks! it's working like a charm. 17.09.22 # actually a little hateful ubuntu is 17.09.50 # it gets fat far from my expectation 17.10.26 # * gevaerts points SxSBruce to the other channel for non-rockbox-related things 17.10.58 # * SxSBruce escaped with a bear behind 17.11.35 # any favorite rockbox themes for me to try out? 17.15.22 # lcars 17.15.28 # ian80: just choose one you like, but be aware that some of the themes are broken becuse of recent syntax changes. 17.16.00 # * GodEater would say "a lot" and not just "some" 17.16.30 # thanks for the warning. 17.17.29 # ian80: i would suggest to browse the gallery in the wiki, because the themes you can install with rbutil can't be updated at the moment. 17.17.50 Part SxSBruce 17.19.06 # pauljam: thanks for the tip! 17.19.41 # I have to say the rbutil is a great tool for getting new users to rockbox! 17.20.05 # we think so too :) 17.20.35 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.22.25 # thanks for all of your help! 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It's inconsistent and annoying asi it is, and it may take a while to come to a better solution (as discussed here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8702). 20.10.31 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 20.11.31 # Zagor: Hi there. Any opinion on merging the WikiHome with the DocsIndex so that there's only 1 focal point? 20.13.26 # yes and no. DocsIndex is very good, but also quite overwhelming. 20.15.25 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB28A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.16.14 Join leftright [0] (n=d9e1dce6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb20db757a82cd89) 20.16.32 # Zagor: That's true. Perhaps the "Welcome" section could be prettied up a bit to make it less intimidating. I just remember that when I first came to the site I found it a bit confusing, and imagine it's the same for others. 20.16.37 Join Strangelet [0] (n=Strangel@ool-435398c0.dyn.optonline.net) 20.17.05 Quit japc (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.17.16 # MarcGuay: yes it probably is. but I think we need to do something more than throwing 200 links at them 20.17.28 # unfortunately I don't know what... 20.17.47 # back in a minute 20.18.03 # MarcGuay: I think that the style that you employ for describing features, i.e like in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchosFAQ makes for a very cluttered, indistinct, and confusing way of decribing features 20.18.37 # I have recently begun using Rockbox on an iPod Nano 1st gen. I am currently having trouble applying themes, could somebody point me towards a tutorial or FAQ section that could help me in this situation? 20.18.43 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 20.19.16 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 20.25.36 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 20.25.38 # Strangelet: You simply extract them to the root of your player and then select the theme from the Browse Themes menu. 20.26.37 # maybe he also needs some fonts that are not part of the standard rockbox installation? 20.28.15 # MarcGuay: Done and done, though I have noticed that the theme-defined interface for the now playing screen (the .wps I believe it is called) isn't shown for certain themes. What could potentially be the problem? And how could I fix this? 20.29.21 # MarcGuay: and in several cases the description leans towards being condescending 20.29.39 # Strangelet: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 20.29.55 # leftright: Sorry> 20.29.58 # MarcGuay: Okay, odd thing I have noticed. I am looking in the '.rockbox' directory on my iPod. Some of the wps files are found to be X-executables, andsome are plain text 20.29.59 # *? 20.30.06 # MarcGuay: I will follow that link 20.30.41 # Strangelet: That could be because Windows seems to make everything an executable, even text files. 20.30.57 # MarcGuay: I am running ArchLinux :P 20.31.16 # MarcGuay: no need to apologise, I thank you for what you're doing, just a small suggestion on mybehalf to perhaps make it better 20.31.27 # Though your assumption has some grounds. xD 20.31.47 # leftright: Just because my name is on a page doesn't mean I wrote the whole thing. And I meant to write "Sorry?" not "Sorry". 20.32.14 # Strangelet: I meant that the people who created those files may have been using Windows. 20.32.27 # MarcGuay: ahhh! Gotcha. ;) 20.32.44 # leftright: And it's a wiki, so roll up your sleeves and fix it! 20.33.40 # yes, I did make a entry which was simple and concise and you promptly changed it 20.34.42 # you tend to flower statements instead of being precise and concise 20.34.57 # leftright: Ah, I see. Well you didn't phrase it as a question (it's a FAQ) and simply put a link, which isn't really very nice either. I was trying to be descriptive. 20.35.46 # leftright: Go ahead and change it back, then. I do my best. 20.37.50 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.37.57 # I'll look into it and change it, I'll ask you to proof it as you seem to be the main editor and contributor around here 20.38.00 # MarcQuay: So I read the thread you linked me to, so.. what it is trying to tell me is that I must manually edit the .wps configs? 20.38.22 # leftright: Just another nerdy volunteer, chum. 20.38.38 # Strangelet: Yep. 20.38.54 # later 20.38.58 Quit leftright ("CGI:IRC") 20.39.09 # Strangelet: Not the .cfg files, just the .wps, to be clear. 20.39.26 Join booster614 [0] (n=4ac446d9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c3308bed3a245d7c) 20.40.47 # MarcGuay: Okay, so %m may be replaced by %V, though what replaces %P? 20.41.06 # hey guys....im a real noob to hacking/moding mp3 players and i was on the site looking for a firmware tool for my philpis 2gb go gear player. but i found out that you guys dont have anything for these players yet, just wondering if and when you will?/ 20.41.29 # leftright: I still don't see how adding a brief description of what "flashing" is for the uninitiated could be interpreted as condescending, but anyway... 20.41.47 # Strangelet: It gets merged into %pb 20.42.09 # booster614: see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilipsGoGear3100Port 20.42.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.42.51 # So.. I could replace '%P|pb.bmp|' with '%pb|pb.bmp|'? 20.42.57 # thanks 20.43.11 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.44.23 # Strangelet: Yep, and add the x,y and size.. 20.44.46 # MarcGuay: Excellent, %m can be replaced with... %V? 20.45.46 # Strangelet: %m was to set a left margin, but now with %Viewports, you can define an entire area to use (left-right-top-bottom), so it's useless... 20.46.20 # MarcGuay: Aight, I will edit the file now, let's hope it comes out nicely. :) 20.47.02 # Strangelet: You can test with a simulator to save time/headaches. Though maybe at this point you don't need more new stuff to deal with.. :) 20.47.25 # Hmm.. A simulator, eh? 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I'm sure there are tons of tutorial sites that can walk you through the basics. 22.23.43 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.08 # i found one that im starting to look at now, and im downloading cygwin based on the rockbox wiki 22.25.51 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.25.58 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aeb2d5f1effb5f32) 22.30.10 # this is all very confusing, about how long does it take to pick up? 22.31.54 # depends. To _really_ learn programming forever -- you always find something to learn ;-) 22.32.39 # To be honest, I think it takes at least a year if you have no prior programming experience 22.33.01 # thats what i assumed, hopefully theres a class in my high school i can take 22.33.13 # but you could also help with other things, like translations, manuals, themes, etc. 22.33.16 # probably took me two semesters before i got really comfortable with c in college 22.33.28 # you can learn the basic usage of a programming language in about one week -- given that you already are kinda familiar with a similar language 22.33.46 # but then that's only the basics. And for "real" programming you usually need a bit more 22.34.50 # cool, i hope to really get involved and learn how the magic happens at rockbox ;) ive always been into computers, i just never learned about programming or even heard of it untill about 2 years ago 22.34.52 # so I agree that one should consider one year of work 22.35.29 # it's also kinda amazing how (not) many people know touch-typing. Also such a thing you only learn when doing it. 22.35.52 # touch-typing? 22.36.42 # typing without looking at the keyboard I assume 22.36.56 # * bluebrother just was checking if the english term is correct 22.37.13 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_typing 22.37.23 # ohhh, makes sense haha 22.37.49 # * bluebrother needed 3 months to get used to the basics. 22.39.00 # does anyone have an idea why I don't see _anything_ of my m200 on usb with flash disconnected? It should be in usb boot mode :( 22.40.33 # delorean90, as you use rockbox, you may find the odd bug here and there. It's very helpful to have people who can accurately report bugs and maybe can even have a look at the code themselves to get an idea where to look for the problem. 22.40.57 # bluebrother: now that yu mentioned the manual in the other channel: i was wondering if the WPS tags topic is really needed. i mean people wanting to design a WPS are always sent to the CustomWPS page and the is qiute out of tate in that section. 22.41.37 # *and the manual is qiute out of date in that section. 22.41.42 # that would be awesome to help out with, so if i get the basics down i could look for bugs and such? 22.41.49 Quit hannesd (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.42.07 # PaulJam: I agree. There are a few things that need to be decided whether they belong in the wiki or the manual (plugins are dupped as well). 22.42.20 # *duped? 22.42.31 # I think it's duped ;-) 22.42.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.02 # bluebrother: USB boot mode is subtle. I see very little in windows with the c100 connected. 22.43.07 # but I somewhat like the tags being in the manual -- it's more "static". Unfortunately the people changing the wps parser usually forget to update the manual :( 22.43.43 # MarcGuay: do you have an advice for me? From reading the wiki I should only need to disconnect the flash and plug the player to the PC 22.44.05 # and btw, I'm on linux. Tried on wxp too, no difference. 22.45.41 # bluebrother: No experience with the m200. How are you looking for it? On Windows I only see it in Device Manager as a "LIbUSB-Win32 Device"... And that's after installing the tcctool driver... Maybe that's what you're missing? 22.46.24 # well, the system should find an unknown usb device and tell me about it in the syslog. But there's no trace about it 22.46.50 # and even on w32, without the libusb filter driver installed it should detect some unknown usb device afaik. 22.47.13 # bluebrother: That's true... Maybe wait for lambdacalculus... 22.47.30 # speaking of WPS tags in the manual, I wondered what to do with some tags not present on the charcell Player or things like the RTC related tags in non-RTC target manuals, or the backdrop tag - disable them when not possible on the target or leave them in case people study different WPSs? 22.47.40 # bluebrother: Or get a c100! :) 22.47.47 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.48.20 # or even add notes? 22.48.29 # ok so im on the tutorial and it explains a basic program, how do i run this with cygwin? http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/c/lesson1.html 22.48.52 # you need to compile it. 22.49.10 # so i just type it in and hit enter? 22.49.23 # but as this is not really rockbox related please use a different channel. You can find some guys from here in #rockbox-community ... 22.49.52 # ok thankyou 22.50.23 # whats the advantage of registering in IRC? 22.50.53 # you can f.e. ghost your nick in case of network dropouts and don't need to wait for the timeout 22.51.06 # but most important, you can send PMs 22.51.20 # and noone else can take your nickname 22.51.51 # who do i contact about it? 22.52.25 # NickServ ;-) 22.52.44 # /msg nickserv register 22.52.45 # http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration 23.01.07 # /msg nickserv help is quite useful as well 23.01.39 # Meh, the bimmerbox project is violating the GPL iiuc: http://ctp.di.fct.unl.pt/~fpb/ibus/ 23.02.00 # It's modified rockbox, but without source 23.02.46 # definitely a violation 23.03.51 # at least it appears to be due to them being dumb rather then malicious 23.04.11 # yes, most violations are 23.08.28 # bimmerbox? Weird name. 23.08.48 # bimmer is what annoying people call a BMW 23.09.28 # never heard that. 23.15.41 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 23.19.09 # saratoga: after registering you can also get a cloak 23.19.15 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 23.20.07 # bimmerbox appears to be dead 23.26.20 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.28.18 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 23.32.16 Join japc [0] (n=japc@bl7-244-125.dsl.telepac.pt) 23.33.39 # MarcGuay: re your statement of 3 hours ago: FAT has no 'executable' flag 23.33.52 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 23.34.24 # petur: Blast from the past. Sorry? Windows setting executable..? 23.35.10 # I brought it up because it happened to me the other day with a file I committed. 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