--- Log for 05.07.108 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 19 hours ago 00.00.47 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.01.24 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 00.02.05 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.04.27 Nick delorean90 is now known as delorean90-away (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 00.07.32 Join texasdex [0] (n=cnfisher@pool-68-162-116-14.phil.east.verizon.net) 00.08.43 # hello all 00.09.15 # I am trying to find out how to change the bootloader so that it defaults to the factory firmware instead of the rockbox firmware 00.09.38 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@h247.39.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 00.09.55 # I've looked all over the place and read the FAQ but can't find anything except a changelog that said it was changed to default to Rockbox 00.10.40 # texasdex: You'd have to compile your own. 00.10.55 # bootloader or rockbox? 00.11.20 # bootloader 00.11.24 # ok 00.11.41 # Basically just revert the change from that instance in the changelog 00.12.00 # this one: "2005-11-20, dave, iPod: Change bootloader so that Rockbox loads by default"? 00.12.09 # But be aware, we don't provide support for modified builds, including alternate bootloaders. Especially since they may be outdated (or newer than the official one, either case is not good) 00.12.42 # well what I'd probably do is take the latest and reverse the diff manually 00.12.43 # On the iPod it doesn't make sense to reverse the bootloader anyway. Once you're in the original firmware, you have to explicitly leave it anyway. 00.12.58 # Sansa e200 00.13.05 # so I can turn it off easily 00.13.09 # Well, that message refers to the iPod. 00.13.22 # It doesn't matter whether you take the latest or an older one, we don't support players running any but the exact one we compiled. 00.13.30 # fair enough 00.13.41 # There can be very strange issues with nonstandard bootloaders. 00.14.01 # compiler-related? 00.14.04 # And that can include ones newer than the one we provided as well as older, since we only verify "released" bootloaders to be working properly and check bugs against them. 00.14.51 # The bootloader and Rockbox itself share some code, and code isn't tested against the bootloaders, since we keep one specific binary version available, and if something major needs updated, we test and provide a new binary. As well, yes, there can be compiler related issues. 00.15.13 # ok 00.15.57 # is there some possibility of making this configurable? 00.16.12 # Rockbox is designed as a replacement firmware. 00.16.21 # There is no desire to make the bootloader configurable. 00.17.13 # who would want to use the OF if he can get Rockbox anyway? ;-) 00.17.24 # my girlfriend 00.17.33 # so that would be a "she" 00.18.18 # think theres actually a reverse bootloader for the sansa posted in the forums in the unsupported builds section 00.19.00 # my GF uses the sansa too for recording, and has had trouble with the rockbox recording feature 00.19.11 Quit CyBergRind|w (Connection timed out) 00.19.14 # so that would be useful 00.19.34 # recording on the sansa is pretty awful, but I recall rockbox being quite a bit better at it 00.20.43 # in terms of sound quality or user interface? 00.22.48 # cause I just tried starting to record in Rockbox and the whole thing froze 00.23.16 # had to hold power button to exit 00.23.46 # quality and possible settings, slightly higher bitrate (Rockbox 22.05kHz, SansaOF 16kHz, if I remember correctly - mono or stereo is not fixed - records until disk is full - different file formats are possible, such as mp3) 00.25.06 # well that's all well and good but mine isn't working 00.25.14 # haven't experienced freezing whenever I tried recording on my c200 sansa though I never really used it for something usefull, just tried it out 00.25.27 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.27.06 # isn't working... what happens and what did you try? 00.27.33 # well I tried going to the "recording" section and hitting either the play or record buttons 00.27.40 # the entire thing freezes up solid 00.28.25 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 00.28.49 # i just tried the latest Sansa build and recording is working normally 00.29.00 # what build were you using? 00.29.20 # should be the latest 00.29.26 # that's what the utility installs right? 00.29.47 # sure but latest when? 00.29.55 # got the r number? 00.30.33 # sure just a seg 00.30.35 # sec* 00.31.04 # needed to hold down power button to reboot it 00.31.34 # r17783-080624 00.33.01 # well thats a couple weeks old, so I guess you could try a newer build 00.33.13 # ok 00.33.16 # i don't recall recording being broken recently though 00.33.49 # odd... why would mine be broken then? 00.34.56 # well if you can suggest a way for me to reproduce it on the current build, maybe i can give you an answer 00.35.14 Join zylche [0] (n=zylche@unaffiliated/zylche) 00.35.48 # just to exclude a misunderstanding - what did you see on the screen (did peak meter or the filezise line stall, what was shown in the statusbar)? And another idea, how much space (storage wise) is left on your Sansa? 00.35.48 # Q: a lot of .wps are not working anymore since I upgraded to july 3rd's build, known bug or own problem? 00.36.38 # no bug or problem, WPS syntax changed in a not backwards compatible way 00.41.09 # oh dang my cable is at work 00.41.39 # ok, so I go to the "record" section 00.41.49 # and then I hit Play or the Record button 00.41.53 # and everything stops 00.42.03 # filesize or length doesn't change 00.42.12 # peak meter freezes 00.42.19 # and I can't do anything 00.42.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.53 # tried pressing every button I could think of 00.42.57 # does it happen with the current build? 00.43.12 # I can't test because I don't have my cable 00.43.17 # it's at work 00.43.18 # sorry 00.44.12 # but yeah everything freezes, even the backlight timer and LED wheel timer freeze, so the screen and wheel stay lit 00.44.19 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.44.41 # I guess I'll come back on Monday 00.45.03 # unless it's possible to use an iPod cable to connect the Sansa 00.45.15 # I don't think it is, but those dock ports are frustratingly similar 00.46.12 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 00.46.17 # nope doesn't work 00.46.43 # (why the hell did Sandisk make the connector almost but not quite exactly like an iPod connector 00.46.47 # ?) 00.47.17 # because they liked the ipod connector but couldnt/wouldnt make it compatible? 00.47.45 # probably. anyways thanks guys, I'll try with the latest rockbox and let you know if it still doesn't work 00.49.28 Part texasdex 00.58.43 # i've got a question about linking in gcc 00.59.21 # if i've got a binary SDL.lib compiled for wince, how do I make sure rockbox links against that instead of trying to use the built in linux SDL ? 01.00.24 # saratoga: give an -L flag? 01.00.32 # well i think it would fail to link against the linux one anyway 01.00.34 # but yeah -L probably 01.00.45 # well yes it is currently failing, hence the question 01.01.00 # so I should edit the makefile to have -L in the CFLAGS? 01.01.11 # and the path to the SDL.lib i want to use? 01.01.18 # LDFLAGS? 01.01.24 # i guess i'd need the same thing for the headers that came with it 01.01.31 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.02.08 # saratoga: you need -I in CFLAGS for the includes, and -L in LDFLAGS for the lib 01.02.39 # Nico_P: I should do this for the Makefile that comes out of configure right? 01.02.45 # not just the sim specfic makefiles 01.02.56 # that I'm not sure... maybe 01.03.28 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.08.15 # * Nico_P decides it's bed time 01.08.26 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.08.36 # so if I do "#include "SDL.h"" and then specify a -I"path" it takes the path header before any others right? 01.17.36 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.18.40 Quit Genre9mp3 () 01.24.01 Quit ender` (" I will design fortress hallways with no alcoves or protruding structural supports which intruders could use for cover in a") 01.24.49 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.25.38 Nick HellDragon is now known as DarkFox (n=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) 01.28.31 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@ip72-196-0-51.om.om.cox.net) 01.33.59 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 01.34.21 Part simonrvn ("Thanks, and Take Care") 01.39.22 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 01.49.12 Quit obo ("bye") 01.57.39 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-204-141.dsl.scarlet.be) 01.59.03 Join Scott_ [0] (n=chatzill@91.109.142.27) 01.59.20 Nick Scott_ is now known as _twomashi (n=chatzill@91.109.142.27) 02.08.25 Part pixelma 02.10.26 Join JThundley [0] (n=jt@adsl-66-51-208-136.dslextreme.com) 02.11.48 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.12.30 Quit _twomashi ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 02.12.40 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 02.15.03 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.15.31 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.22.02 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.22.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-411805.home.otenet.gr) 02.29.14 # I made this awesome theme that seems to have stopped working on newer versions of rockbox 02.29.22 # was there a big change in the way themes were done? 02.29.55 # my simulator with the good looking theme is from r15971 of the iaudio x5 build 02.31.14 # there was...see the commit log 02.32.28 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 02.33.13 # would you mind pointing me in that direction? I'm not to keen with svn 02.34.58 # the commit log is linked from the front page, failing that theres more about it in the forums, mailing list, today's IRC logs 02.35.02 # it's frustrating searching for the wps howtos and finding the same old documents that taught me how to do it before 02.35.46 # Well the CustomWPS wiki page was updated with the new changes. 02.37.02 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@203-217-75-52.dyn.iinet.net.au) 02.38.39 # I'll re-read that whole page then, thanks :) 02.38.52 Quit atrus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.39.10 # JThundley: There are some links to the revision history near the bottom, so you can see what changed 02.39.38 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 02.41.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.42.33 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 02.42.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.45.04 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.45.21 # is there a proper way to check if a target is ARM 7 or ARM 9 ? 02.45.27 Mode "#rockbox +b SETH_HIKARU!*@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.45.52 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.46.13 # i'd like to do an ARM7/9 specific optimization, and I'd rather it work on all future targets with those CPUs, not just the ones we have now 02.50.21 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.41 # is it possible to make rockbox work on a camera like Samsung i85? How would the porting work? 02.52.59 # kushal_12_27_200: it'd work like porting to any other device 02.53.18 # however, since rockbox does not have any camera functionality, it would be an odd thing to do 02.54.25 # I understand that ... maybe we should diversify to make camera firmware. It would be pretty sweet if cameras like Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7 could take RAW images. 02.54.53 # I would expect that most developers don't want to do that 02.55.23 # you're welcome to work on it, however since it would appear to have very little in common with anything rockbox does, it'd probably be a fork of this project 02.55.29 # gevaerts, is it because it would be a drain on resources? 02.55.45 # it wouldn't drain resources 02.55.53 # kushal_12_27_200: it's something entirely different 02.56.12 # hmm 02.56.16 # its just a pretty silly idea, so no one is going to want that code mixed up with rockbox 02.57.33 # i dont see anything in common with rockbox, really 02.58.00 # Well, you could reuse the fat driver 02.59.31 # theres probably a lot in firmware that would be useful, but almost everything in apps would be useless 02.59.51 # except maybe the menu code i guess 03.00.48 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 03.03.29 # well, it is the cameras like the i85 are the ones who are encroaching on the media player market 03.05.11 # once they get the battery matter sorted out and we get a god battery life in cameras, it would not be as silly 03.05.27 # Maybe, but as ever, someone has to do the work 03.11.11 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 03.11.34 Quit parafin (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.14.42 Quit Ebert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.15.02 # gevaerts, you are correct 03.15.39 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 03.17.37 # my theme is coming together nicely. again. Thanks for the help guys! 03.18.20 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.19.24 Nick delorean90-away is now known as delorean90 (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 03.22.22 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 03.25.00 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.25.12 Join homielowe [0] (n=eric_j_l@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 03.27.31 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.35.26 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.27 Join DerDom1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-211-141.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.39 Nick DerDom1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-211-141.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.53.54 Quit JThundley (Remote closed the connection) 04.03.47 Join SxSBruce [0] (n=zzq@121.228.146.61) 04.05.14 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.09.27 Quit oofus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.10.37 Part SxSBruce 04.15.04 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 04.22.14 Nick homielowe is now known as ErLo (n=eric_j_l@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 04.22.42 Nick ErLo is now known as homielowe (n=eric_j_l@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 04.29.24 Quit uhmgawa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.29.49 Join uhmgawa [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 04.32.53 Join Jacky [0] (n=da5f776e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-43484b4440d63b10) 04.33.36 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE023.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.35.42 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.35.47 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.36.58 Quit AndyI (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.39.04 Join Yu [0] (n=dcb08755@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a77b360010198b4) 04.40.19 Quit Jacky ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.41.54 Quit Yu (Client Quit) 04.42.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.45.53 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7C5C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.48.36 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 04.54.28 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.02.27 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 05.06.10 # hello, i am in the process of learning C, and i was wondering, do i have to be fluent in it to contribute to rockbox? sorry if this is off topic, ill move it 05.07.35 # delorean90: how much you need to know more or less depends on what you want to do... 05.08.59 # well eventually i would like to contribute to one of the new ports, but seing as my knowledge of c is practically nothing, i understand i cant do that yet. i would just like to take baby steps and become more firmiliar with rockbox in parallel with my learning of c 05.09.21 # Then do so. I'm not really sure what sort of answer you're looking for. 05.12.55 # can i complie builds and include patches without a full knowledge of c ( should i bother to attempt this and expiriment with simulators) or should i just focus my efforts with becoming fluent in c before i work with rockbox (im not suggesting comminting builds or anything, just experimenting by myself) sorry if what im saying is confsuing this is all very new to me 05.13.00 Join Guest [0] (n=3aa90b68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-175c3f58e7de502d) 05.13.32 Nick Guest is now known as Guest27458 (n=3aa90b68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-175c3f58e7de502d) 05.13.46 # Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me locating the alarm feature on a Sansa e200? 05.14.07 # did you check the manual for your dap? 05.14.24 # Yes, there is a reference, but no instructions. 05.14.46 # do you mean, to use it? or just locating it within the menus 05.14.57 # Both 05.15.07 # Plugins and the wake up alarm do not support voice features. - That is the only reference 05.15.54 # one second, i am not firmiliar with the sansa, ill look over the manual quick 05.16.05 # Thankyou 05.18.01 # delorean90: You can compile builds with patches without any knowledge of C at all. But you won't learn much that way. 05.18.19 # I actually know a bit of C__ 05.18.25 # c++* 05.19.00 Quit uhmgawa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.19.26 Join uhmgawa [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 05.19.29 # ok thats what i thought thankyou, i guess ill stick to the boring tutorials and hopefully with time ill be able to help the rockbox project 05.19.55 # So the alarm? 05.20.57 # yes, i understand what you mean about finding im having a little trouble myself, especially since i no longer have my rockboxed h10. let me just check the wiki really quick 05.21.38 # Thanks 05.25.56 # ok try going to settings\ general settings \ system \ wake up alarm 05.26.08 # Ok thanks ;) 05.26.17 # im not sure quite how to use it, ive never bothered with it on my old h10 05.27.33 # Dam its not there :( 05.27.50 # have you updated to the most recent build? 05.27.56 # Yeah 05.28.16 # The one on the current build page? 05.28.36 # yes 05.28.41 # I have 05.29.16 # ok, ill try looking through the simulatro for the sansa e200 05.29.40 # Thanks for that, I really apreciate the effort. 05.31.11 # anytime, im sorry to say though, it seems the e200 dosent have this feature implemented 05.31.44 # :( 05.31.55 # Can I get a plugin or something? 05.33.12 # you could check the trakcer to see if there is a patch for it 05.33.17 # *tracker 05.33.34 # How do you do that 05.33.41 # Sorry its my first day XD 05.34.36 # for a first timer you seem to respect the rockbox guidelines, its very nice to see that once in a while 05.34.55 # it may be a hardware limitation that the sansa does not have a wake up alarm 05.34.56 # Lol 05.35.28 # I don't really need it to wake up the player, just play a song at 7:00. ;) 05.36.39 # you could try posting a thread in the proper section of the rockbox forums and ask if it is possible for that. i myself am not too firmiliar with the sansa and i wouldnt want to mislead you 05.37.15 # Ok, thanks for your time 05.38.13 # no problem, just always remember to check the wiki when you have a problem, and if you cannot find the answer there, then you may post a thread following rockbox guidelines 05.38.51 # I searched the wiki, but there was nothing there. 05.39.31 # yes, im just saying for other problems, the rockbox devs are very strict about thread posting 05.39.51 # Oh ok, thankyou 05.40.03 # anytime 05.40.31 Quit Guest27458 ("CGI:IRC") 05.45.20 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@h135.132.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 05.46.29 Quit delorean90 () 05.56.47 Part Llorean 05.57.45 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 06.04.37 Quit Strogg (Remote closed the connection) 06.04.37 Quit Ebert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.04.54 Join Ebert [0] (n=EbErT@h135.132.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 06.06.19 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 06.07.28 Quit japc (Remote closed the connection) 06.16.12 Quit DarkFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.16.17 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 06.16.30 Join DarkFox [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 06.17.06 Quit Lambdumb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.22.52 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.27.57 Join homielowe_ [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 06.27.57 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.28.22 Quit homielowe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.42.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.43.30 Join _vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d115025.adsl.hansenet.de) 06.50.52 Quit Zarggg () 07.01.19 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.40.16 # interesting, the lua viewer (so far) is 137188 bytes which is about half the size of doom 07.40.25 # and that includes libm I think 07.44.38 # huzzah! lua runs on my h120 07.50.12 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.51.03 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 07.51.11 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.52.50 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.01.58 Quit dude187 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.08.41 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 08.20.23 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 08.24.08 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 08.28.13 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.35.22 Quit Ebert () 08.38.22 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCF99D.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.42.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.02 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.54.38 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.56.04 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 08.56.21 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.01.10 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.09.14 Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module") 09.18.18 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 09.18.58 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.19.27 Quit PaulJam__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.22.10 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 09.29.50 Join crazy_bus [0] (n=philip@124.183.85.244) 09.31.09 # I have no idea what I did, but all themes except one are showing a generic wps screen. Can anyone tell me what file to delete and fix it? 09.35.01 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.39.35 # you don't have to delete something, you have to fix the .wps files because the syntax has changed and made them break. You could find information in the svn commit message (already a few weeks ago now), the wiki and in the forums. This has been covered quite a few times 09.42.29 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3049.gwdg.de) 09.44.05 # Thanks. 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"Du", "Sie", completely neutral? How does the translation in Rockbox do this? 10.48.30 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-208-32.dsl.scarlet.be) 10.49.00 # hmm... there is this string "Are you sure?" and it is translated as "Sind Sie sicher?" 10.49.33 # I'd probably try to avoid it as much as possible 10.49.35 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 10.49.57 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.50.04 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-208-32.dsl.scarlet.be) 10.50.06 # ok, I'll try being neutral, and if it's not possible use "Sie". As far as I've seens it's quite inconsistent now 10.51.15 # that's also the only example I could find in deutsch.lang 10.52.01 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.53.16 # nice, from what I could see in some diffs etc. the rbutil translation really needs some cleanup :) 10.53.46 # yeah. And I'm planning to make a rbutil release tomorrow. So syncing the translations before is a good thing ;-) 10.54.08 # french and dutch are already up to date. 10.56.52 # I would need to look into setting up a development environment for rbutil first if I want to help with that, but I am interested 10.57.41 # I'm aware of the RockboxUtilityDevelopment page 11.01.12 # doesn't surprise me (that you're aware of that page ;-) 11.01.31 # pixelma: you don't need much 11.01.42 # just qt4-linguist basically 11.02.03 # well, it looks like I still need the qt and MinGW packages 11.02.19 # you even don't need that -- the ts files are xml, so you can edit them with a simple text editor. 11.02.30 # using linguist is nicer though ;-) 11.02.59 # you need to run lupdate on the project to get updated .ts files. But even that could be done by someone else 11.03.16 # and of course it's nice if you can check in the real application afterwards 11.04.13 # ok, saw that in the diffs (that they are xml) but would be more convenient to set everything up, so I could also compile rbutil completely if I wanted to 11.04.23 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 11.09.48 Quit K4rP4D (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.28.02 # * pixelma wonders a bit why there still is a warning in the current swcodec builds, must have been a few hours now 11.38.07 # not a very serious warning though 11.43.05 # yeah, simply removing tmp probably fixes it 11.45.06 # * wpyh finds out that the M3's RTc is S35390A 11.47.11 # the Meizu M3? 11.47.36 # you should really state that too because there is also the Iaudio M3... 11.50.58 # wpyh, nice to know! 11.51.03 # ah 11.51.10 # yes, the Meizu M3 11.51.11 # :) 11.52.04 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 11.54.28 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 11.54.44 # wpyh: thanks 11.54.58 # :) 11.55.14 # the s5l8700 also has an RTC, but maybe it would use too much power in standby. 11.55.41 # * wpyh got an M3 for disassembly today ;) 11.56.05 # wpyh: did the other components match? 11.56.20 # * bertrik is reading the datasheet and notices standby current of about 1 uA for the S35390A 11.57.18 # bertrik: standby means you cannot read or write but the clock keeps running? 11.57.52 # markun: yes, except for the SDRAM and chip, but they are clearly visible from online photos IIRC 11.58.17 # yes, as far as I understand, clock running and not communicating over i2c 11.58.23 # the RAM is not important so I didn't look closely :p and the chip is covered with sticky foam 11.58.32 # wpyh: what do you mean? No 16MB of SDRAM? 11.58.45 # * wpyh thinks 1uA is small enough 11.58.59 # markun: no, what I mean is there is a RAM chip but I didn't look too closely 11.59.08 Quit d34df00d (Remote closed the connection) 11.59.09 # probably smaller than what the CPU in sleep mode would consume. 11.59.16 # smaller -> lower 11.59.19 # oops, MAX about 1 uA, typical about 0.3 uA, pretty good I think 11.59.26 # yeah 11.59.52 # btw, there is another chip / component labeled "H127D", but I don't know what it is 11.59.55 # but I think I read some things about the clock not being perfect 12.00.09 # maybe a transistor? since it has 3 legs 12.00.24 # yes, the clock is skewed when transferring data :p 12.01.14 # wpyh: perhaps we can set the s5l clock when we boot rockbox, and then set the S35390A when we power off. 12.01.18 # and interestingly, the Meizu M3 has two crystals (at least they look like crystals) 12.01.25 # clock->rtc 12.01.40 # well, we should try both approaches first 12.01.47 # wpyh: it's not uncommon. The gigabeat has 3 crystals I think 12.02.01 # maybe the clock is skewed because usb takes up too much cpu? :-\ 12.02.06 # for CPU, RTC and USB 12.02.07 # yeah, maybe one for the CPU, one for USB, one for RTC, etc 12.02.10 # ah 12.02.40 # :) 12.07.02 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-5-106.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.12.45 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B162F6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.29.40 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.163.252) 12.30.43 Join davizzle [0] (i=4db20775@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cf28a890b9985e0c) 12.31.34 # gud mornin. 12.40.22 # I had that problem that after a reinstall of rockbox, my colors went weird and somebody here gave me an old version that works fine. 12.40.28 # Blame on me i forgot his name :( 12.40.43 # But the question is : does the actual daily release solve that issue? 12.41.34 # no, unfortunately not 12.41.45 # dooh :( 12.42.24 # Ah and i have that frame problem with videos in mpegplayer. They always "jump" . bot 25 and 29 fps 12.43.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.43.08 # davizzle: which player do you have? 12.43.22 # (or did I miss something) 12.43.54 # guessed that would be the Ipod Color/Photo (4th gen) 12.44.20 # because of the bug with the type 0 lcds 12.44.23 # in that case, mpegplayer can only do 18fps (last time it was checked) full screen 12.44.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Performance 12.44.57 Join JUSTWJX [0] (n=3adb9ddc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2c58c3d9b22612cd) 12.45.06 # might be a bit more these days, but it doesn't specify a revision number 12.48.29 # what do people think about removing the "install all" button from the theme installation window and instead putting a hint there "you can select multiple entries by holding ctrl / shift"? 12.48.56 # 18 fps :( ooohhhh 12.49.00 # :*( 12.51.03 Quit JUSTWJX ("CGI:IRC") 12.52.32 # the problem is that no developer has such a problematic Ipod and it would be very helpful for debugging if someone could lend one so that it can be fixed much more easily 12.53.12 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.55.00 # woah, the german translation of rbutil is really bad :( 12.56.50 # doesn't lambdacalculus have one of those G4s? 12.58.15 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.58.17 # gtg now ... cu 12.58.21 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 12.58.36 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180077182.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.59.06 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 12.59.14 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.00.22 # so i should send my ipod to a developer for helping purposes ? 13.00.43 # yeah right 13.00.51 # there is a dev who has a photo ! 13.01.02 # the one who sent me the workin version :) 13.01.24 Join oofus [0] (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 13.03.45 # PaulJam: yes, but he's in the US, and I know amiconn would be interested in fixing the bug and he is in Germany 13.04.56 # -> shipping the player would be cheaper while testing remotely is not very convenient 13.14.12 # where is he in germany 13.14.33 # davizzle: when the new build works again you could do a mpegplayer speedtest, there have been some improvements over time. 13.14.39 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 13.14.54 # of course i can do that 13.15.01 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.18.41 # davizzle: he's on rasher's map 13.23.49 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3F9D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.24.07 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 13.25.18 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-127-198.rev.numericable.fr) 13.25.45 # moos: hi moos, did you take a look at the arabic translation? 13.25.57 # Just to see if you can understand it maybe. 13.27.22 # Hi markun, I didn' yet, but I promised to MTee to look at it...(even didn't find the time to update the french one yet) 13.28.03 Quit petur ("switching") 13.28.12 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.29.00 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 13.35.46 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB265A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.38.50 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-127-84.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.39.01 Join Zom [0] (n=zom@h-43-44.A166.cust.bahnhof.se) 13.45.37 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-231-21-92.tukw.qwest.net) 13.51.28 Quit midkay (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.51.57 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.53.11 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.54.30 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.59.18 Quit davizzle ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.02.23 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-127-84.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.09.25 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d115025.adsl.hansenet.de) 14.09.34 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.09.38 Quit _vertic23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.26 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.11.37 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-127-84.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.12.07 Join mrkiko [0] (n=pv@host202-59-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 14.12.11 # Hi! 14.12.18 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@044-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 14.12.46 # bertrik: hey, nice work with batt bench 14.12.50 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.12.52 # And so now youre gplv3 14.12.56 # no 14.13.04 # gplv2 or later 14.13.16 # right, sorry 14.13.21 # thanks, have only tested it on my sansa e200 though :) 14.13.32 # Does this mean that gplv3 code can be included? 14.13.32 # the difference is v3 projects can import our code 14.13.38 # no 14.13.38 # ah 14.13.50 # but vice-versa will not happen 14.14.06 # us importing v3? yeah, not unless we choose to go v3 14.14.09 # BTW, you said that the ata callback is called every 3s, is this really the case? 14.14.15 # i think so 14.15.01 # yep... HZ*3.. 14.15.08 # I'm happy to see by the changelog that the problem of tracks disappearing has been solved 14.15.13 # that should probbaly be changed to something smarter 14.15.15 # it was very annoying; 14.15.42 # yeah, a few playback bugs have been zapped recently which is great 14.16.09 # I'm reviewing the voice code a little 14.16.11 # I'm waiting till uni starts again before I can judge though... I hardly use my DAP's during the holidays 14.16.45 # hmm, scrobbler basically uses the same cache/flush method as used now in battery bench. I think I did see delayed flush work well with scrobbler. 14.16.51 # and may be in some days I'll come back here if I figure out eactly why my player does an infinite loop sometimes when tolking. I think something is wrong with the shutup function 14.17.01 # but I'll tell things later when I'm sure :) 14.17.29 # JdGordon: ah I think I see what you mean, in ata-sd-pp, line 1080 14.18.19 # * mrkiko is crashing 14.18.39 # :( 14.20.13 # * JdGordon spots a list bug which has gone unnoticed for a few months :/ 14.20.33 # mrkiko: I think there's still a bug related to skipping tracks when the battery level is spoken (at 50, 30, 15, 10 and 5 percent if I recall correctly) 14.21.04 # some kind of interaction between talking and playback 14.21.05 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4BEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.22.41 # wouldnt surprise me... 14.24.28 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84.51.130.71) 14.25.44 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 14.25.58 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-130-47.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.29.58 Quit parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 14.30.01 Join goibhniu [0] (n=cillian@87-194-222-145.bethere.co.uk) 14.30.02 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 14.31.39 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@81-66-107-251.rev.numericable.fr) 14.32.12 Part pixelma 14.32.14 Quit OlivierBorowski_ ("Konversation terminated!") 14.33.52 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B162F6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.35.05 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-127-84.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.35.09 Quit OlivierBorowski (Remote closed the connection) 14.40.00 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 14.43.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.43.13 # soap: i disagree with that post in the 320x240 wps' fixed thread.... copyright on the images is fine... but the text? come on.... 14.44.16 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@dslb-088-075-066-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.15.04 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.15.11 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.15.58 Join arohtar [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 15.16.44 Quit faemir (Nick collision from services.) 15.16.54 Quit arohtar (Client Quit) 15.17.03 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 15.17.20 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 15.17.48 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.20.20 Join JulianW [0] (n=57a97c65@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-92966f660767cd02) 15.20.43 # hello 15.20.55 # I have a problem with my rockbox 15.21.14 # I updated and now none of my themes are working any more =( 15.21.50 # tried everything... -deleting the whole rockbox folder and installing everything again etc 15.22.12 # anyone there? 15.22.35 # there was a change in the WPS syntax recently that broke almost all themes 15.23.04 # oh 15.23.07 # ok 15.23.40 # mhm, is there anything I could do? 15.23.44 # some of the threads here should contain information how to fix them (if there isn't already an updated version available): http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=24.0 15.23.46 # JulianW: Read this commit message, you'll find it useful: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 15.24.12 # thx 15.25.38 Quit oofus (Remote closed the connection) 15.26.36 # ok, there is a perl script.. I'll try that. Thanx again :) !!! 15.26.38 # cya 15.26.39 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.57 Quit JulianW ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 15.57.25 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 16.08.54 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A77E5.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.10.06 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 16.21.28 Join Jeezuz [0] (n=4a824a8f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6b421143d9cb82d) 16.21.41 # Hey guys :P i need some help finding somthing >.< 16.22.15 # Unless everyone's idle, thats cool too >.> 16.22.27 # * gevaerts looks around, but he also can't find it 16.22.56 # Wikipedia said rockbox was available for the phillips gogear, but its no where on the site :S 16.23.45 # wikipedia is wrong 16.26.00 # Besides, there is no such thing as "the" philips gogear 16.26.27 # I used the word "The" to seperate it from other players x.x 16.26.29 # Did you fail english? O.o 16.26.57 # There are lots of different players using the gogear brand 16.27.02 # * gevaerts checks wikipedia 16.27.03 # wikipedia says a port is in the works, which means that someone is working on it but does not mean rockbox fully runs on it 16.29.47 # Oh well :P 16.29.55 Quit Jeezuz ("*Cuts himself*") 16.40.49 Nick Arathis is now known as Arathis|busy (n=doerk@p508A77E5.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.43.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.47.57 Quit Genre9mp3 () 16.49.45 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.52.14 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-df6d798d7a10c635) 16.53.31 Join billenium [0] (n=billeniu@c-68-38-155-104.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 16.53.41 # Is it possible to convert videos to the right form on linux 16.54.00 # sure, theres mpeg encoders for linux 16.54.07 # =/ 16.54.41 Quit shadoxx (Remote closed the connection) 16.55.01 # I thought it needed to be a special thing... or something... 16.55.19 # it isnt proprietary 16.55.29 # billenium: which player are you using ? 16.55.32 # just standard mpeg2 at a certain resolution 16.55.38 # iPod Nano 16.56.09 # ok, mpeg1 or mpeg2 then. 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Is SoftConnect an nxp specific thing ? 21.31.34 # no, apparantly not (really) 21.31.41 # the Ingenic chipset has it too 21.31.54 # (or they cloned it from NXP, could be; they're Chines after all ;) ) 21.32.22 # * gevaerts is trying to find out what this SoftConnect thing actually does 21.32.30 # but the problem is: I need to find a way to debug, so I though I could use the Softconnect thiny to disconnect and reconnect the USB power 21.32.37 # then Windows will notice this and make some sound 21.32.45 # (you know those when you (dis)connect a device) 21.33.01 # then I do this twice or thrice and I know where in my code I am 21.33.28 # this works for the first disconnect, but after that it fails to connect (after a time Windows gives that balloon popup that it failed to recognize the USB device) 21.33.35 # could a USB reset have the same effect? 21.33.52 # Maybe. 21.33.58 # softconnect: Software controlled connection to the USB bus 21.34.06 Quit jhulst (No route to host) 21.35.08 # I woudn't be surprised if windows has some logic to detect faulty usb devices that you accidentally trigger this way 21.35.48 # but what happens if you physically disconnect and reconnect a device? does it have to send some EP0SETUP packages or not? 21.35.54 # because I'm not sure if I have working interrupts 21.36.54 # It should. You always should get some control transfers to endpoint 0 after a connect 21.38.12 # hmm ok then I'll just stick to disconnect 21.39.28 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 21.40.15 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2cba387a4225c651) 21.40.19 # http://pastebin.ca/1063183 << anyone know what the two variables whould be defined as? 21.40.24 # compiling stops on there 21.40.38 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.41.27 # shadoxx: which target is that for ? And what configure options did you choose ? 21.41.35 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 21.41.54 # i just benchmarked the libwma and Tremor IMDCTs 21.42.07 # and the assembly IMDCT in Tremor is way faster then I realized 21.42.14 # gevaerts: is there an easy way to monitor USB resets in Windows? 21.42.17 # 33% faster then the one in libwma 21.42.34 # mcuelenaere: I don't know 21.42.35 # saratoga - for arm> 21.42.36 # ? 21.42.39 # the difference compared to the FAAD one is probably even greater since that one looks absolutely awful 21.42.44 # yes arm7 21.43.00 # but i'd expect it to be true on coldfire too 21.43.18 # if WMA used the Tremor IMDCT, it'd be the fastest transform codec 21.43.45 # requiring just 29MHz on the PP5024 21.44.40 # gevaerts: it's for arm. i don't know what configure options. lemme go check real quick 21.44.41 # * soap points saratoga to the GoldenQuotes wiki page. ;) 21.45.00 # i've said it before 21.45.02 # i don't use wma 21.45.44 # I think all the work you've done on WMA is wonderful, don't get me wrong. Just a little friendly ribbing. 21.45.51 # yes I know 21.45.54 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.46.15 # saratoga: pretty impressive 21.46.18 # i took that as you saying I had a clue anyway 21.46.20 # I chose normal build and the tatung platform gevaerts 21.46.44 # saratoga: do you want to benchmark the one in libaac as well? 21.46.47 # i think AAC would probably be faster then MP3 if we used the tremor IMDCT too 21.47.01 # markun: no i haven't, but the algorithm is very similar to the one in WMA 21.47.02 # libfaac 21.47.06 # ah, ok 21.47.27 # the only difference is they use a very complicated FFT which one of the Nero developer's told me is much slower 21.48.06 # so i'm assuming they're even slower 21.48.28 # wow :) 21.48.37 # shadoxx: I don't think anyone has touched that build recently, so I wouldn't be surprised if it just doesn't build (or maybe it never built...) 21.48.49 # saratoga: maybe we should wait untill we can import the ffmpeg aac codec? :) 21.48.56 # if you 21.49.01 # 're volenteering ... 21.49.06 # well, it looks like i just need to define some variables. I'll look into what types they should be 21.49.34 # saratoga: what's needed to change the IMDCT used in a codec? 21.49.45 # Nico_P: not that much actually 21.50.09 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.50.22 # mostly just change the fixedmul() and fixedcomplexmul() functions, then rename the one call to imdct() to whatever its called in the other codec 21.50.51 # an IMDCT is pretty much just a one line call in all our codecs, so its only the auxillary fixed point functions that need to be changed 21.51.00 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.51.04 # though I haven't tried doing it quite yet, so I could be optimistic 21.51.18 # are you planning on doing it? 21.51.23 # for WMA at least 21.51.29 # you're welcome to try FAAD 21.51.44 # * Nico_P doesn't know anything about codecs 21.52.02 # actually, I'm not sure how easy it is to remove the vorbis imdct_backwards implementation now that i think about it 21.52.12 # i looked at switching the wma one into faad and that was easy 21.52.29 # but the vorbis one is strange, i didn't even know math existed to compute an imdct the way they do it 21.52.44 # so the data might need rearrangement or something more difficult like that 21.53.08 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.163.252) 21.53.12 # anyway, I'm happy enough with fadd 21.53.25 # i think it'd be an ok codec once the imdct is fixed 21.53.42 # its mostly just the MP4 parser that gives us trouble with it I think 21.53.52 # and thats home grown, so we have ourselves to blame for that 21.54.38 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 21.55.23 # you know, if we ever get faad and wma sorted out, its going to make mp3 look really bad 21.55.39 # i still wonder why its so slow 21.59.48 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.00.17 # mp3's faster than vorbis though, no? 22.00.49 # or maybe I dreamt that 22.04.26 # yeah, it is (and in fact my stats ;-) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison 22.04.29 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.04.48 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 22.06.54 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 22.10.51 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 22.10.51 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.17.55 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.19.09 Quit shadoxx (Remote closed the connection) 22.21.41 Quit Horscht ("IRC is just multiplayer notepad") 22.23.38 # stripwax: It looks to me like Vorbis wins except at low bitrates, at least in your test. 22.26.20 # oh yeah. hmm.. 22.27.00 # on arm anyway, although 320kbps is probably 'pretty close' 22.27.48 # Though MP3 beats Vorbis by a large amount on the Gigabeat F 22.27.53 # i'm poking about to see if we can make use of the extra 32KB iram on 5022/5024 for mp3/tremor 22.28.00 # yep 22.28.20 # and somewhat on coldfire too 22.28.48 # It may be that some of the optimizations in one of the codecs aren't always fastest, depending on ARM version? 22.29.41 Join SxSBruce [0] (i=IceChat7@121.227.230.236) 22.32.04 Quit faemir (Client Quit) 22.35.10 # very likely in fact 22.36.01 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.08 # or just that arm is just less well optimised overall so far 22.37.01 # i've never really thought about ARM9 optimization, but I'd expect MP3 would do better there because mad does a lot of loads 22.37.09 # and those are twice as fast on ARM9 22.37.48 # whereas the pure transform codecs operate purely on blocks, so they can use the block memory transfer instructions, which are fast on ARM7 22.39.49 # Llorean: those gigabeat F benchmarks are before the fast IMDCT went into Vorbis 22.40.02 # i don't think anyone has benchmarked the gigabeat since Vorbis was optimized 22.40.15 # saratoga: But they're after stripwax's iPod one, so should be comparable to it at least, right? 22.43.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.27 # Llorean: vorbis is comparable, but stripwax's ones don't have the mp3 optimizations I think 22.43.36 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.43.58 # Ah 22.44.13 # So the ratios between the vorbis and mp3 aren't comparable. 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