--- Log for 07.07.108 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.29 Quit hannesd (No route to host) 00.00.40 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.01.09 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.02.06 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.07.48 # is memmove necessary for Rockbox to work? 00.09.58 # mcuelenaere - as in, does Rockbox currently use it, or could Rockbox have been implemented without the need for it? 00.10.31 # as in: I'm trying to get a MIPS target to run in Rockbox, will it need it? 00.11.01 # it seems most use for memcpy and memmove the same function on MIPS targets 00.11.41 # memmove needs to be able to handle overlapping source and target, but if the mips implementation of memcpy handles that already then you can alias memmove to it 00.12.05 # k 00.14.19 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 00.15.02 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@66-227-170-253.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 00.17.03 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 00.19.25 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Connection timed out) 00.19.27 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 00.20.41 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.28 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 00.23.58 Join Preston [0] (n=root@h132.130.82.166.ip.windstream.net) 00.24.34 # heyy 00.29.29 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.29.32 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 00.32.13 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.35.54 # lol 00.36.21 Quit lard-Vader (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.36.29 Join lard-Vader [0] (n=jeremy@pool-70-109-247-181.wma.east.verizon.net) 00.36.38 # its like potato chips and masturbation 00.37.28 # Preston - this doesn't sound like the start of an on-topic conversation... 00.37.45 # my bad 00.37.45 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 00.38.17 # but ya just cant stop 00.38.45 # Lear/preglow - enabling the same iram defines for pp502x as used by coldfire give only a very small speedup - about 0.5 MHz 00.39.19 Part Preston 00.39.48 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.40.35 # Less on average, in fact 00.43.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.45.43 Quit ender` (" "Religion is the opiate of the masses." -- Karl Marx )( "Winners don't do drugs." -- The FBI") 00.46.20 Join BilleniumLAPTOP [0] (n=bill@c-68-83-140-17.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 00.46.32 # HEy 00.46.44 # Can someone link me to the mpeg plugin wki? 00.46.48 # wiki* 00.47.04 # * mcuelenaere has full LCD access on his VX747 :) 00.48.40 # BilleniumLAPTOP: can't you use the search box in the wiki? 00.48.44 # yes 00.48.46 # i have searched 00.48.50 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.48.58 # search for 'mpegplayer' 00.49.03 # hum, PluginMPEGPlayer should be the page name if i remember correctly 00.49.23 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.49.25 # and congrats to mcuelenaere even though I don't know what that player is :) 00.49.52 # * stripwax wonders *which bit* of III_decode is slow... 00.50.32 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d4bcb6ea1394f1cc) 00.50.42 # evidently none of the subroutines, unless they've been inlined .. 00.50.48 # dionoae: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX747 00.51.24 # Touchscreen \o/ 00.51.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 00.51.43 # * dionoea 's currently writing a touchscreen paint program for TomTom Go GPS 00.52.01 # Someone should port xmerlin for on-screen keyboard ;-) 00.52.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6CB6.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.52.39 # hehe, that player looks like an iPod Touch ripoff :) 00.53.10 # indeed :) it is Chinese ;) 00.53.56 Part pixelma 00.54.48 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 00.56.15 # stripwax: hadn't realized that changing the lowpass filter in lame actually changed what synth_full did 00.56.18 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 00.56.32 # yep, looks like it 00.56.43 # preglow: the 64 bit multiplies in synth_full aren't a huge deal 00.57.26 # they're actually no slower then doing 32 bit multiplies there because they save you 2 cycle for renormalizing back to 4.28 fixed format 00.57.39 # i think its slow mostly because synth_full does: 00.57.49 # 1) a whole lot of multiplies, and multiplies are really, really slow 00.58.38 # 2) the data format seems to involve a lot of random memory reads, so it can't make very effective use of ldm instructions, which means a lot of the loads take 2x as long as they could 00.59.07 Quit jhulst__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.12.15 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.13.53 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 01.27.04 Quit jhulst_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.28.12 Join delorean90 [0] (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 01.33.11 # may i have write permisson to the rockbox wiki? 01.37.23 # * stripwax has just noticed that asm routines don't seem to get instrumented for profiling - should've realised earlier 01.37.52 # delorean90: what's your Wiki name? 01.40.45 # gnight 01.41.14 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.41.24 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.41.49 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 01.43.03 Quit BilleniumLAPTOP () 01.43.55 # JacobWilliams 01.44.16 # * delorean90 just realized he forgot to enable flashing for this channel 01.44.52 # delorean90: what do you want to edit? 01.45.19 # i would like to be able to help keep the sansa view wiki in order as things progress 01.46.26 # You're added! Promise not to spam :) 01.46.57 # thank you very much, and i would never spam, i like being a member of rockbox too much :) 01.46.58 # and not ruin the work of others 01.48.10 # id probably be so nerveous of that that i would show what i was writing and make sure its ok he he 01.48.15 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 01.52.32 # delorean90<: I don't partecipate to avoid this :) 01.52.39 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.54 # but I think it's good doing so - helping in developing rockbox is good 01.53.24 # ill mostly only edit if im asked to like " i just finsihed geta this datasheet could somebody add it to the wiki" 01.57.47 Quit mcuelenaere () 01.58.16 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01.58.58 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-171-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.59.09 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.45 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-171-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.01.22 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.02.54 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.03.02 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c4f8c094ab4d52e2) 02.03.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-171-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.03.53 # Whould anybody be intrested in making something for rockbox wich allows icons in indivual files insted of all lined up? 02.05.33 # what would I have to do? 02.06.00 # idk, just help out, some programing experience whould be needed 02.06.30 # what do you mean by incons in individual files? 02.06.33 # *icons 02.06.35 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.06.49 # the menu icons 02.07.05 # they whould have there own files, like "files.bmp database.bmp etc 02.07.14 # well yes, but arent there icons already 02.07.23 # ohh ok 02.07.25 # yeah but in 1 file 02.07.42 # making it hard for somebody to make custom icons for a theme 02.10.56 # anybody know if theres a psd avaible for the cabbie theme? 02.12.02 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.12.30 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 02.18.58 Quit Shaid ("*toink*") 02.28.48 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.29.31 Quit nuonguy (Connection timed out) 02.39.07 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.39.30 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.39.51 Join vincenzo [0] (n=vincenzo@host123-60-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.43.21 # Hi, I'd like to use rockbox... where can I buy a compatible player? 02.43.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.44.03 # one second ill give you the wiki link to the buyers guide 02.44.23 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 02.44.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide hope this helps :) 02.45.21 # I'd like the sandisk ones, but V2 is unsupported. And the others are no more in production :-( 02.46.36 # sometimes you can find them on ebay and other random stores. the ipod video is being sold on apples site for 179 02.47.29 # my advice if you really fancy a sansa, is to buy one of thier new ones that already has a "new port" thread in the rockbox forums, and just follow it to see if rockbox gets ported 02.47.38 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.48.31 # would you personally advice me buying something else? 02.49.07 Quit CaptainKewl (Remote closed the connection) 02.49.40 # well what do you mean? if you really want rockbox right away, i suggest the video or really any other player supported that you can find. otherwise do some searching around the new ports section of the forums and see which one has the most progress 02.52.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view if you take a look at the new ports section those are some of the daps that will almost definitely be ported *eventually* 02.54.19 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 02.55.12 # you guys at rockbox are great. I am very grateful to you 02.55.22 # ttyl 02.55.23 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 02.55.34 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-187-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.05.26 # In case no-one has pointed this out, the boxes you make rock. 03.08.29 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.12.17 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 03.13.19 # lard-Vader: I get enough about that in my email spam thanks 03.13.54 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-69371e78be97ee7b) 03.15.32 # delorean90: I'd like a player that is "good quality", quite small, and that can run rockbox... I'd like one that is impossible (virtually) to brick... 03.16.04 # has anybody used winff in linux to convert to rockbox? i get a error "unsported codec..." 03.16.27 # vincenzo: I whould recomend a gigabeat, that you can find on ebay, or a sansa 03.17.03 # xqtftqx: the sansa (e280v1) is what I would like... 03.17.15 # xqtftqx: How do I make sure I byu a V1? 03.17.41 # look for "V1" somebody on the box or ebay auction 03.17.50 # or contact who ever is selling it 03.18.13 # vincenzo: The only way to know for sure is the firmware version. You'll have to find one second hand and ask the current owner. 03.19.32 # vincenzo, and as long as you always follow instructions, its almost impossible to brinck your supported dap 03.19.39 # *brick 03.20.22 # "supported" 03.20.59 # Should I chose one from the "new ports" which one is in better shape in your opinion? 03.21.23 # "new ports" means there in devolpment 03.21.35 # rockbox runs but isnt ready for the general public 03.21.56 # vincenzo: The Gigabeat S is making good progress... The D2 as well, but still a lot of work before it's functional... I wouldn't recommend any of them if you want a sure thing. 03.22.20 # only chose a dap from that list if your prepared to wait a bit for support 03.22.43 # Gigabeat S is going realy nice, i think all we need is a manual and bug fixes 03.22.52 # vincenzo: And even then, there's no guarantee they're even be finished. 03.23.00 # *even=ever 03.23.09 # *they're=they'll 03.23.21 # its a 99.9% chance they will be 03.23.27 # * MarcGuay should quit while he's ahead. 03.23.28 # ah lets say 98 03.23.45 Quit lard-Vader ("Leaving.") 03.24.05 # vincenzo: If you buy one and it's never finished, remember this name: xqtftqx (very memorable). :) 03.24.27 # * delorean90 hopes for a port to the view 03.24.31 # :) 03.24.47 # I can understand that... as a (very minor) KDE contributor I know how OSS developement goes :-) 03.25.32 # Grrr, i cant convert a video in linux! 03.26.19 # vincenzo: If you have access to eBay you can still find Gigabeat Fs, e200s, c200s, iriver h100/h300s... iAudio's have gotten very pricey but show up now and again... 03.26.19 # ah, ill use windows :( 03.26.25 # But if rockbox does somehow work (and not brick it) I could always get involved in improving (2% of chance I have enaught time) 03.27.24 # vincenzo: No worrys in bricking 03.27.47 # I think I'll eventually go for the e280vx... 03.27.54 # Good Choice 03.28.01 # * delorean90 thinks back to when the iriverh10 was first ported and smiles 03.28.46 # maybe I'll try on pixmania or ebay. If I get a v2 (I'll delay the rockbox adoption:-(((( ) 03.29.19 # Does v2 read SDHC at least? 03.29.26 # I fear not ! 03.29.50 # s/I fear not !/I fear it won't/ 03.30.24 # vincenzo, yea the v2 can read sdhc should but this was getting off topic 03.31.05 # advcomp2019: :-) fair enaught :-) 03.31.43 # How many people are involved (if you know them) in v2 porting? 03.32.04 # I'm just reading trught the forum. 03.32.09 # vincenzo, if you would like to discuss more about daps feel free to join us on the #rockbox-community channel 03.33.06 # i think theres a couple people interestd in the V2, but there isn't really any porting yet 03.35.13 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.14 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-193-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.26 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-193-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.48.40 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ddeb467e1998add0) 03.51.01 # xqtftqx: the commandline arguments to convert video using ffmpeg or mencoder are something of a magical artform, the way I look at it 03.51.45 # each (interface) links to many different video codec libraries, with their own arguments 03.51.52 # and no help feedback system 03.52.24 # there is never -avcfopts audio=help 03.52.41 # instead the man page says "see xyz project source code for details" 04.04.21 # rasher, or someone else with the knowhow: Could you refresh the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualFixmes wiki page or teach me how to do it myself? 04.05.01 Quit shadoxx (Remote closed the connection) 04.08.06 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.13.24 Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.14.28 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 04.22.46 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 04.24.41 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.24.59 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.25.07 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.25.51 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.26.28 Quit agaffney (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.27.13 Join ivor [0] (n=i@c-75-72-187-145.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.28.16 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.28.27 # Anyone with an iPod around? 04.29.07 Quit vincenzo (Remote closed the connection) 04.29.16 # Would someone please grant me wiki write permissions? wikiname is JasonTerhune 04.29.53 # ivor: Mind if I ask what you plan to change? Just curious... 04.29.55 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 04.30.20 # sure Marc, I have a WPS update to upload 04.30.58 # ivor: Alrighty. Is the copyrtight license safe & sound? 04.31.04 # *copyright 04.31.50 # yeah, I updated an existing WPS 04.31.54 # creative commons, share alike 04.32.07 # It's the Ultima theme 04.32.10 # ivor: Excellent. You're ready to roll... 04.32.15 # Great, thanks! 04.35.52 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 04.36.44 # I'm looking for people with ipods (any model) or Archos players to test the A-B repeat keypresses, specifically the keys to set the A/B points and reset the markers. 04.36.54 Join agaffney [0] (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) 04.38.09 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.38.28 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 04.41.36 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 04.42.04 Quit axionix_ (Client Quit) 04.42.21 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 04.42.23 Quit axionix_ (Client Quit) 04.43.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.43.54 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.44.11 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.45.59 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.49.31 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.17 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7EEB.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.54.13 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 04.57.22 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.57.35 Join agaffney_ [0] (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) 04.57.42 Quit agaffney (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.57.44 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.06 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.02.18 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 05.07.26 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.07.26 # Continuing the request above, information for the X5/M5 would also be helpful. 05.10.50 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=768ae017@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa2bd054d0309881) 05.11.30 # MarcGuay: hey, you could use the sims to check them... they are "close enough" 05.15.33 Nick agaffney_ is now known as agaffney (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) 05.16.24 Part J-23 05.24.45 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.24.58 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.26.25 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 05.28.53 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.30.03 Part J-23 05.35.34 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.35.55 # JdGordon: Thanks man, I always forget about them... 05.41.46 # JdGordon: Hmm. I can't seem to find the place in gwps.c where targets without a ACTION_WPS_ABSETB_NEXTDIR call the ab_set_A/B_marker. On the Nano select does this but I can't find it anywhere... 05.50.23 Quit homielowe (Remote closed the connection) 05.51.34 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 05.53.08 # It would be helpful if these things were all in the same place, though I understand that targets are different and code is hard to maintain. It's frustrating for people trying to get into it to get roadblocked like this. Not pointing any fingers as I wouldn't have a clue where to point em, just sayin' is all. 05.58.49 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 05.59.11 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 05.59.32 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 05.59.40 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 06.05.34 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 06.10.27 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.11.55 # MarcGuay: yep.. thats definatly a problem :p 06.12.07 Quit delorean90 () 06.13.10 Quit Zarggg () 06.13.16 # MarcGuay: hmm... your recent commit seems to have unrelated changes to the message? 06.13.23 # Isn't that more because a lot of the cold is just old, and hasn't been adapted to being more centralized? 06.14.43 # yeah, no.. i was agreeing with MarcGuay there.. not saying that the code has bugs... 06.15.15 Part J-23 06.15.49 Join x30 [0] (n=d2dc468e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c97eae0b8ade0573) 06.16.14 # hello? 06.16.27 # bon jour! 06.16.35 # ohayo gozaiymas 06.16.40 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.16.40 # shalom 06.16.46 # asalam alekem 06.16.56 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 06.17.04 # ah.. I can speak english 06.17.41 # whatever... is there anyone who knows what the rescue mode is? 06.17.58 Join Preston [0] (n=root@h132.130.82.166.ip.windstream.net) 06.18.06 # my gigabeat X30 with rockbox has freezed since I put the gbsystem folder on it 06.19.20 # in addition it isn't recognized on PC when I connect gigabeat with usb 06.19.20 # x30: hi, I don't know. the Gigabeat dev goes by "xqtftqx" I think 06.19.33 Part Preston 06.20.10 # hmm.. then do you know what the rescue mode is? I don't know exactly 06.20.30 # no, actually I don't have a player capable of rockbox 06.20.44 # I can't try it out like I would want to and give you an answer from experience 06.21.16 # ah.. ok thanks whatever :) 06.21.35 Quit x30 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.21.40 # lucent: xqtftqx isn't a dev... 06.21.48 # agh, my mistake 06.21.58 # Llorean: what was the correct answer? 06.22.26 # There aren't really player-specific devs. 06.22.38 # Most devs have done work on many specific players. 06.22.57 # Generally only early on is there a dev or a few devs specific to any given player, but that's just when the port is very new. 06.23.41 # I'm still searching for a hardware device to run rockbox on 06.23.45 # As for the Gigabeat X, it's only a nominally supported target. It _should_ work, but we don't actually have any regular dev who owns one, so nobody can really perform regular testing, or tweaks for its few differences from the Gigabeat F 06.23.56 # lucent: Seen the BuyersGuide page in the wiki? 06.24.25 # it sounds kind of risky though, like v1 / v2 06.24.55 # there's nothing in production 06.26.01 # Risky? 06.26.08 # The v1/v2 issue is only with the Sandisk players we support 06.26.13 # Everything else is pretty explicit. 06.26.44 # well, the iPods too. which Gen, not all sellers know this 2nd hand 06.28.28 # sansa e200v1 looks nice, wish I could find one for sale and know it would be a v1 :) 06.28.39 # It's really, really easy to tell the difference between iPod gens. 06.33.56 # JdGordon: Yeah I goofed on the commit with unrelated changes and got some tips on how to avoid it in the future. 06.34.30 # ok :) 06.34.55 # Anyone with thoughts on where the ipod/x5/m5 A-B repeat code is hiding? 06.36.23 # Have you tried to grep for it? 06.37.17 # Yeahm grep is my new best friend. No dice, at least for the WPS_ABRESET button.. I should try with the actual function, though... 06.37.35 # Probably a better bet 06.38.49 # No, I tried that too. It only exists in gwps.c and abrepeat.c/h 06.39.47 # I have a feeling it's coded in a different way. They use a 1st select = set A, 2nd select = set b, 3rd select = reset, unlike the combos for other targets. 06.40.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 06.40.17 # I suppose I could just throw it in the manual after testing on the sims but now this is bugging me... 06.40.26 Join _vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d188068.adsl.hansenet.de) 06.42.15 # MarcGuay: You could just check the "since 2.5" page, and look for mention of "repeat" or "a-b repeat" on it, and look for one that either touches other files, or also mentions iPod 06.42.16 # ... And I couldn't find any info for the Archos player.. 06.42.44 # wow, off-topic... how does a company end up with a $10,000usd audio player? http://www.thenerds.net/HEWLETT_PACKARD.Cowon_Systems_iAUDIO_X5L_30GB_Digital_Multimedia_Device.A7535A.html?affid=8&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=A7535A^~^HEWLETT-PACKARD 06.42.44 # Llorean: Thanks for the tip. 06.43.03 # must be a database problem 06.43.10 # MarcGuay: It's not the most efficient thing ever, but it might work. 06.43.22 # MarcGuay: ok, not busy anymore.. what you looking for? 06.43.38 # lucent: Please, stay on-topic in here. There's a channel specifically for off-topic stuff. This one's logged, and we like to keep them focused. 06.43.40 # JdGordon: Read back a bit. 06.43.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.44.07 # do those targets have ACTION_WPSAB_SINGLE defined? 06.44.15 # Llorean: thank you, I'll make myself scarce. :) 06.44.21 Part lucent 06.45.22 # JdGordon: I can't find it in keymap-ipod.c 06.45.27 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.46.11 # MarcGuay: ok, yes they do... its in the config files for ipod, miezu m6, x5/m5/m3.... in a-b mode the first press of the browse button sets A, then B, then resets... 06.46.19 # lines 241-261 in gwps.c 06.47.00 # no mention of the archos players though 06.47.35 # JdGordon: Arg. No wonder it was so hard to find, it resets the button instead of calling the function by name... Thanks hombre... 06.48.35 # * MarcGuay ponders a way to bring those things closer together.. 06.48.59 # na, its fine as it is 06.49.04 # s/as/how 06.50.07 # You think? It's a mess to me. 06.50.41 # oh I agreee its a mess.... I just think its fine being a mess.... 06.50.45 # Granted, I can't think of another way to do it.. :) 06.51.15 # You can't define the button twice for the same context so it has to be done elsewhere. 06.52.15 # So any ideas on how the player sets the A/B points? 06.52.32 # does the player even have a-b mode? 06.52.59 # JdGordon: It does on the sim. 06.53.44 # " You can't define the button twice for the same context so it has to be done elsewhere." ?? 06.54.43 # JdGordon: Or maybe you can? Could ACTION_WPSAB_SINGLE be moved from the configs to the keymaps where it makes more sense? 06.55.28 # oh, woops, now I get you... yes, the same button cant return 2 different actions 06.55.28 # I think I'm confused, ignore me. 06.56.24 # and yep, I cant see how to set a/b points on the player either 06.56.45 # So the player remains a mystery. Hopefully someone will read this in the logs and send out a bat-signal. 06.56.56 # dont expted it... 06.57.01 # expect 06.57.46 # Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Gotcha. 07.15.46 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 07.18.37 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.42 # Hi all! 07.37.49 Part lolmaus_Melven 07.38.14 # MarcGuay: lol 07.38.28 # also, that note is in action.h also... 07.41.41 Join TemptationToast [0] (n=hawk@cpe-70-95-154-176.hawaii.res.rr.com) 07.43.23 Part TemptationToast 07.49.20 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 07.57.32 # JdGordon: Hmm, looks like the player does have ab repeat enabled, but it's not usable because it's not mapped 07.58.03 # * amiconn wonders how that single mode works on iaudios and ipods 07.58.08 # yep, we figured that out... 07.58.12 # * amiconn never used ab repeat so far 07.58.22 # * JdGordon neither 07.58.26 # other than testing 07.58.48 # ab repeat buttons for the player could be mapped (as combos) btw - I just don't know yet how to map the reset 07.58.50 # does ondio still not have a-b also because there is no buttons for it? 07.58.57 # correct 07.59.08 # But it could also use the single mode if that works 07.59.21 # it should work 07.59.28 # havnt heard any complaints about it 07.59.33 # On Player, ON+LEFT and ON+RIGHT aren't taken yet in the wps 07.59.54 # player doesnt have dirskip also? 07.59.54 # But single mode may be better, as cobs are nasty one-handed 08.00.29 # Umm, I don't know 08.00.37 # Another feature I never use 08.00.56 # But I think it should, as it doesn't need extra button mappings 08.02.02 # s/cobs/combos/ 08.07.10 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-158.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 08.10.53 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3F425.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.13.28 # stripwax/preglow/saratoga: (for the logs) the synth (dct32+synthfull) might be faster on mp3-96kbps because of several subband being zero'ed. through this you'll have more muls with 0 at least in the dct and smaller coefficients (less energy) in synthfull. 08.14.53 # the same should happen in the entropy coding and requantization. additionally there should be lots of intesitiy stereo coding which saves a channel in the upper bands -- at least in the entropy cding 08.16.01 # btw, some days ago I've merged the libmad dct into mpc. compiling the C-version of dct32 is a bit faster than the asm-version on PP5022 08.16.51 # C-version compiled with -O1 is about 0.8MHz faster than the asm'ed version 08.18.07 Quit gevaerts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.18.26 # the libmad c-dct is faster than mpc's dct, but mpc's dct is faster than libmad's asm-dct 08.19.42 # i'll try to make a fine and proper merge (without any additionally interfacing code like resorting afterwards, etc.) of libmad's c-dct into mpc. 08.19.55 # Eh? 08.20.14 # The asm dct for libmad was clearly faster than the C version when it was added 08.20.16 # libmad's c-dct has a big advantage over mpc's one -> it is far less sensitive to internal overflows 08.21.48 # amiconn: from what i've read (as far as i remember in the fs-entry) the asm'ed version was claimed to faster on some processors because it was much smaller code, but not optimized for performance in terms of operations 08.22.05 # *claimed to be... 08.22.46 Join [1]cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 08.24.32 # Buschel: tomal wrote it, in order to get libmad realtime on iFP (which is only 60MHz ARM7TDMI) 08.24.57 # amiconn: check out fs#6705 08.25.34 # "smaller in iram but worse in terms of executed instructions" 08.26.12 # at least I should check it with -O1 on my PP 08.28.08 # Aha, but the tests all show that the asm version is faster 08.28.08 Quit homielowe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.28.54 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 08.31.28 # amiconn: the patch changed synh_full + dct32. i can see no test result for the dct32-part only... 08.31.34 # * Buschel gotta go to work now 08.31.39 Quit Buschel () 08.36.58 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCD2A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.37.39 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D7FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.39.20 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.39.20 Nick [1]cool_walking_ is now known as cool_walking_ (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 08.43.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.46.00 Quit m0f0x () 08.48.51 # JdGordon: I just tried AB repeat in single button mode on the Player. It's working nicely (but you don't get feedback for the first press... something that can be fixed later) 08.49.07 # I'll try AB repeat on Ondio in single button mode too, then commit 08.49.39 # ok, cool 08.49.48 # fix the manual while your at it.. :D 08.52.31 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf40@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7f8ec99704524089) 08.54.58 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.56.08 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 09.08.45 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.10.19 Join pixelma [0] (i=d5494c39@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-357f33e9ce1c4ebe) 09.12.35 # amiconn, JdGordon: I remember the AB-repeat was left disabled on Ondios because it added like 1k something bytes to the binary and broke rombox at that time. Also I think I remember that resetting the markes didn't work because it was mapped to a double press of mode but the single press is already mapped (return to file browser) 09.12.46 # rombox on OndioFM that was 09.13.51 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e955f73015ac93a2) 09.13.52 # ok, well its up to you if you want it reenabled... I dont tihnk anyone else uses ondio :p 09.14.04 # pf 09.14.18 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e955f73015ac93a2) 09.14.53 # hey B4gder, any idea why j.jdgordon.info isnt being used? I did a reinstall a few days ago but have the rbclient setup again and it should be workling 09.15.37 # I'll check 09.16.10 # ah new key 09.16.49 # * GodEater thinks godeater.dyndns.org should be fine to work as a server again now too 09.17.21 # ah, thought that might be the case... where can i get the new key from? 09.17.37 # JdGordon: it's *your* new key that's the problem I suspect 09.17.43 # not one you need from B4gder 09.17.46 # yes 09.17.51 # fixed now 09.18.14 # * JdGordon is a dill 09.18.17 # ok, cool 09.21.19 # pixelma: No double presses involved. AB repeat in single button mode just cycles through the operations (set A, set B, reset markers) 09.21.54 # When enabled, it removes the ability to directly enter the browser, but that's a tradeoff. The browser is still reachable via the menu 09.22.10 # That applies to all targets with AB repeat in single button mode, not just Ondio 09.24.16 # hmm, then I remembered wrong 09.24.51 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.26.43 Quit B4gder (Excess Flood) 09.27.16 # oops 09.27.18 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ffc749f769327973) 09.27.35 # amiconn: the feeling there is that if your in a-b mode you wouldnt need the browser... 09.27.36 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ffc749f769327973) 09.30.38 Quit pixelma ("mibbit.com: bbl") 09.42.51 Quit jon-kha (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.45.07 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.47.26 Quit Shaid (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.54.26 Quit shadoxx (Remote closed the connection) 09.56.04 # hrm, is a single line fix worth an addition to the credits file? 09.56.47 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 09.56.47 # yes imho, it's easy to be generous with those things 09.57.59 Quit K4rP4D (Client Quit) 09.58.29 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 09.59.42 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.00.23 # B4gder, I agree. Especially since there's investigation time as well for finding the fix. 10.00.46 # yes, very true 10.02.13 # * GodEater seems to recall he got into CREDITS based on about four lines of rather trivial code added to ipodpatcher 10.06.02 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad1e864f1a2b1757) 10.08.50 # * B4gder recalls being the one who wrote and added the first CREDITS list ;) 10.09.42 # that's definitely a trivial way to get into it ;) 10.10.27 # yeah, rather lame I agree ;-) 10.11.20 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.19.53 # still no j.jdgordon.info? :( 10.21.07 # "svn: Working copy '.' locked" 10.21.09 # me fix 10.21.31 # hehe.. i heard the disk clicking away and thought you started another build 10.21.46 # * JdGordon wonders why it was locked? 10.22.09 # that happens at times when it gets interrupted etc 10.22.48 # I used to have that with cygwin, never seen it under linux 10.23.38 # I've also seen it happen when you try to svn up the same repo from multiple processes... 10.24.41 Part homielowe 10.27.20 # B4gder: the git repo works really nice, but do you know a nice way for me to commit something? 10.27.41 # no... 10.28.15 # I hope that after a "git pull" I wouldn't have to do a "git svn rebase" 10.28.27 # hoped 10.29.02 # I don't know much git stuff, I just made the mirror thing work with the help of others' instructions 10.29.26 # B4gder: have you found out how to make it accessible via HTTP? 10.30.19 # no, I was away during the weekend and was dead tired yday night so I haven't really attacked that yet 10.31.58 # ok 10.32.04 # no rush anyway 10.36.37 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 10.40.32 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 10.43.09 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.43.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.44.24 Join UncleRem1s [0] (n=caj@78-69-154-184-no176.tbcn.telia.com) 10.50.23 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-158.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 10.52.35 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 10.54.07 Quit UncleRemus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.59.21 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.01.06 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-393cb9ba52bb179c) 11.01.06 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.08.57 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.14.50 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.18.12 Quit cool_walking_ (" ") 11.20.52 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.22.49 # mcuelenaere: ah right, the thread stuff in the kernel needs some mips attention 11.23.46 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 11.24.30 # B4gder: indeed, and it isn't that easy as I'm not really familiar with MIPS 11.25.09 Join bertrik [0] (n=5a80bda4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d733974ca419793b) 11.25.17 # I can't say that I am either, even though I actally own a mips book and have poked a bit on mips before... 11.25.52 # well at least you can verify my code :) 11.27.34 # The r17951 release crashe already three times since I installed it :) 11.28.14 # but the third time, pressing play the playter rebooted 11.28.28 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.28.49 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.29.09 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3100.gwdg.de) 11.29.40 # is there a way to build a bootloader build with threading disabled? 11.30.27 # I don't know 11.30.46 # ok, then I'll just comment it out in SOURCES 11.37.23 # does Rockbox normally need includes from not within itself i.e. /usr/lib/gcc/mipsel-linux-gnu/4.2.4/include/.. ? 11.39.04 # * mrkiko thinks not 11.39.54 # does a compiler set include paths itself and if so, how do I unset them? 11.42.46 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.43.00 # * JdGordon wonders if he remembers any mips from first year uni... 11.43.17 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.45.57 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.52.24 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 11.52.51 # * mcuelenaere wonders why GCC has a limits.h in it's include path which includes but can't find it.. 11.53.17 # it seems strange 11.54.13 # probably whenever a file is included, it can't be included again in the same gcc process 11.54.38 # but apparantly this file does want to include a file with the same name as itself 11.55.37 # but distinctions are made between paths 11.55.53 # a/something.h can include b/something.h 11.56.03 # even if they are something.h 11.56.11 # a file can include itself if it wants to 11.56.43 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.56.50 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.57.00 # weird 11.57.15 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 11.57.27 # http://imagebin.ca/view/zzZCzTkr.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/Nw8KGo4.html are what I get 11.59.47 # does anyone have a clue? 12.00.52 # Anyone know how accurate the PC is for a data abort exception on ARM? 12.03.32 # which program sets up sysfont.h? 12.05.16 # make 12.06.31 # I meant the actual program, I believe make just calls it? 12.08.07 # sorry, yeah 12.09.54 # convdbf 12.10.02 # $(BUILDDIR)/sysfont.h: ../fonts/rockbox_default.bdf 12.10.02 # $(call PRINTS,Create sysfont.h)$(TOOLSDIR)/convbdf -h -o $@ $< 12.10.15 # in frimware/Makefile 12.10.25 # thanks, I was looking build/Makefile 12.12.53 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 12.12.54 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.17.14 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 12.17.21 # is there a special option to set for making sysfont.h? 12.18.12 # use make V=1 to see the full command lines 12.18.29 # thanks 12.21.16 # * GodEater continues fighting with the O2 upgrade site 12.21.45 # it just omits the creating of sysfont.h for some reason . 12.23.32 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.27.46 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.32.50 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 12.38.57 # mcuelenaere: the sysfont.h error is usually because of something else 12.38.59 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.43.56 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 12.43.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.51.38 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.53.05 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.00.14 # mcuelenaere, markun said for you "the sysfont.h error is usually because of something else" 13.00.22 # I told you so cause I saw you disconnected 13.00.51 Quit mrkiko ("SIGSEGV") 13.00.53 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.03.27 # mcuelenaere: try this: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/makesrc.inc?r1=16846&r2=17819&diff_format=u 13.03.54 # maybe it will tell you where the real problem is 13.04.55 # yes, that error is usually a sign of SOURCES having a file mentioned that doesn't exist 13.05.31 # annoying that we have no better way to detect that yet 13.08.51 # atm, the ata callbacks are called every 3 sec on flash targets... does anyone have objections with changing that to somwhere between 60 and 120s (or higher even?) 13.08.51 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.09.13 # Nico_P: that would make it work with buffering more nicely yeah? 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13.26.47 # we're at ~10 accepted 13.27.16 # ok 13.27.49 # Nico_P: Should fill_buffer lock the list mutex somehow? 13.28.21 Quit mcuelenaere (""setting up router"") 13.30.01 # anyone want to check the polish lang update? or should i just commit? 13.30.25 # Lear: IIRC, no, but let me check 13.36.05 # JdGordon: I also wonder about that all the time. Should we have committers who speak the languages? 13.36.13 # Lear: the mutex is intended to protect the state of the linked list... fill_buffer doesn't do much on it 13.36.50 # I was happy that TiMiD committed the Japanese file, since there was some confusion. 13.37.46 # (2 translations and one guy who keeps interfering with langauges he doesn't speak) 13.38.06 # markun: yeah, would be nice if commiters would look out for langs they speak 13.38.11 # and yes, that guy was bloody annoying 13.38.14 # Nico_P: It does iterate over it, while calling code that could yield. Not too different from when loading album art? 13.38.49 Quit Shaid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.39.33 # Thing is, under very specific circumstances, I get data aborts in buffering.c... 13.41.57 # what kind of circumstances? 13.43.16 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-813e3e55dc7be30d) 13.45.12 Join cg_ [0] (n=cromos@88.193.143.80) 13.45.12 Quit cg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.47.59 # Too long to tell, almost. :) On e200, when resuming (or playing?) certain tracks using album art and dircache (never without dircache). 13.48.30 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.49.29 # have you every tried it on the sim? also, have you traced the data abort to a particular function? 13.51.30 # Never seen it in the sim, but I haven't tried all that much. Exact function can vary between builds at least, but I've now had two different aborts (in different functions), both caused by a bad next pointer. 13.53.36 # No, same function, but different place within it. 13.54.06 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.55.38 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A43CE.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.55.51 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3050.gwdg.de) 13.56.28 Quit ivor ("Leaving") 13.56.51 # hmm 13.57.05 # you're probably right about the need for the mutex 14.00.44 Join potato [0] (n=potato@c220-237-157-51.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.01.11 # Tried adding a call to find_handle after buffer_handle (in fill_buffer), but that only changed when the data abort happened. 14.08.44 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 14.14.48 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.16.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7EEB.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.17.53 Part potato 14.25.38 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0b7dec8d74b6c2d) 14.31.03 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@lan-84-240-35-19.vln.skynet.lt) 14.37.59 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 14.40.28 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE2117F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.43.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.45.36 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-86-237.vif.net) 14.47.31 # rasher: Thanks for updating the fixme's page. 15.00.03 Part B4gder 15.00.07 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.01.19 Join webguest46 [0] (n=42e39f64@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6ec636dbe30b5b7a) 15.04.56 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@bas1-toronto43-1279396016.dsl.bell.ca) 15.06.59 Join Arathis2 [0] (n=doerk@p508A7D01.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.07.04 # I've been trying to find out if there have been any projects started at developing rockbox for a Zune player. I haven't found any mention of the idea anywhere and am very curious of the possiblity. Any info would be appreciated. 15.07.50 # there was quite a lot people saying about that, but no code I know of showed up 15.07.52 # webguest46: you can't have looked too hard, I'm sure there's a thread in the NewPorts section on the forums, let me go find it 15.08.38 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 15.08.58 # TYTY.... i guess i missed it.... 15.09.28 Quit CriminalScum (Client Quit) 15.11.43 Quit blithe ("Be right back.") 15.11.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 15.12.26 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 15.12.43 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 15.16.30 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.16.37 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.21.17 Quit k4y (Remote closed the connection) 15.22.24 Join k4y [0] (n=jackass@196-209-91-138-tpr-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) 15.24.01 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.24.38 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.56 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D7A3.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.26.36 Join nicktastic [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 15.27.24 # What's difference between the X5V and the X5? Is this something your average user can tell without further guidance? 15.28.45 # IIRC the X5V doesn't have the FM radio. 15.29.27 # I don't know if there's an easy way to tell on the outside, though. 15.29.38 # I'm wondering if "Use the x5v_fw.bin file if your player is a X5V. If it is a X5, use the x5_fw.bin file." in the installation instructions is sufficient... 15.30.21 # Personally, I'm certain that the owners of the device should know exactly which model they have. But I don't own an iAUDIO X5, so I can't really say for sure. 15.30.46 # I'm *assuming* that "X5V" must be printed on the back of the device, as Cowon did that with the X5L. 15.31.20 # You could change it slightly to read "If it is an X5 or X5L, use the x5_fw.bin file", though. 15.37.51 # Does the iAudio firmware actually get erased when rockbox is installed or can the bootloader just not point towards it? 15.38.28 # I think the bootloader simply doesn't point to it. 15.38.41 # But I think we should consult an X5 dev on this. 15.38.43 # The manual says " It replaces the original firmware", which seems wrong... 15.39.00 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 15.39.10 # Well, I do know for a fact that the X5 officially does not dual boot. 15.39.27 # * LambdaCalculus37 casts the "Summon an X5 dev" spell 15.39.39 # I think it means to say "The bootloader replaces the OF in the boot sequence with Rockbox." 15.40.01 # * MarcGuay isn't convinced that's any clearer. 15.40.15 # MarcGuay: But it gets the idea across better. 15.40.28 # If it's true. :) Guess I'll wait... 15.40.33 # Actually, no... scratch that. 15.41.06 # Like I said, the X5 doesn't dual boot. Ditto the Gigabeat F. So in those cases, Rockbox is pretty much replacing the firmware. 15.44.00 # I think I understand now - Because the device has a hardware bootloader, the rockbox bootloader is written over the OF. 15.47.01 # Is there a reason there's no advice on how to backup the OF in the X5/M5 instructions before overwriting it, as is done for the Gigabeat? 15.48.26 # I thought there was a new, working dual-boot loader for x5? 15.48.46 # MarcGuay: The biggest reason why it's done for the Gigabeat is because the firmware actually resides on the hard drive, so if you ever want to go back, you should have an unaltered backup of the OF. 15.49.13 # petur: There was a patch on Flyspray, but I never saw word of an official one. 15.49.51 # LambdaCalculus37: The instructions for the iAudio suggest that you go to their website and download the firmware again to uninstall. Kind of weak, no? 15.50.08 # petur: No clue on that, just going by what I've read. 15.50.15 # I was told on devcon that the new one was looking great and could be made official after enough testing 15.50.53 # MarcGuay: Agreed. 15.51.19 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.35 # I feel like I'm stumbling around in the dark here. 15.52.01 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae0cc9272e48d7e2) 15.52.51 # If no one speaks up I'm going to reword it to "The Rockbox bootloader overwrites the original firmware, making it impossible to dual-boot." and move on... 15.53.25 # MarcGuay: IIUC you simply can not back up the iaudio firmware as there is no way to get it from the flash 15.54.12 # n1s: Nice, thank you... And we can't provide a copy of it because of copyright? 15.54.21 # i guess so... 15.55.38 # Ok, so one week with 0 useful comments in the tracker should mean no one objects to me committing keybox, right (I will of course provide a manual update) 15.55.51 # ? 15.56.08 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 15.57.17 # * JdGordon objects! 15.57.35 # you cant go round commiting stuff with manual updates! 15.57.40 # its just not done! 15.57.45 # think of the children!!! 15.58.26 # JdGordon: Your horns are showing. 15.58.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 files off JdGordon's horns 15.58.46 # \M/ o_0 \M/ 15.59.56 # * n1s interprets JdGordon's reply as: "please go ahead" :) 16.02.23 # What's the story with recording on the ipods again? 16.02.48 # playback will crash/do bad things if you try to start it after recording 16.03.02 # not on all of them though 16.03.20 # It does break things on the iPod video and 4G color. 16.03.48 # But they *can* record? I don't recall seeing the menu on the nano (don't have it with me). 16.04.11 # they need an adaptor for the dock dont they? 16.04.27 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-180.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.04.32 # JdGordon: That's it, thanks. 16.04.46 # dont take my word for it though... 16.04.47 Quit K4rP4D ("Leaving") 16.05.01 # but the nano can't record because the dac doesn't support it 16.05.12 # (iirc) 16.05.46 # umm, ignore me 16.06.01 # ... was about to say.. not according to its config 16.06.03 # .h 16.06.11 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.06.16 Join arohtar [0] (n=faemir@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 16.06.44 # i mixed it up with some other target, possibly the mini 16.07.15 # Okay, I give up for today... If anyone wants to check it out I was trying to fix up the recording keymaps in the ipods w/ recording manuals. 16.09.03 # great, another *box plugin 16.09.39 # at least it is a "box" 16.17.23 # has jhMikes been in recently ? 16.19.24 # Bagder: build seems to have stuck :/ 16.26.59 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 16.31.38 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 16.31.46 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 16.33.57 Join WakeUpWolfgang [0] (n=433797c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f88ad45ada28abb) 16.34.38 # i have a question 16.35.09 # how can i get videos on my ipod nano 16.36.17 # copy them there ? 16.36.24 # WakeUpWolfgang: convert them to the correct format (see PluginMPEGPlayer wiki page) and copy them somewhere on your player. 16.36.28 # assuming you have them in the right format 16.37.33 # ok thanks this is my frist time useing rockbox 16.39.17 # sorry, the page is named "PluginMpegplayer" 16.42.07 # Nico_P: How is shrink_buffer supposed to work, really? :) 16.43.22 # Looks kind of dangerous to me, especially with it first "buffering up" memory handles, and then start moving them about... 16.44.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.44.20 # you mean in the Q_START_FILL event? 16.46.52 # the shrinkage happens before the buffering is done 16.47.35 # though I'm tired so I might be misreading the code 16.51.21 Quit WakeUpWolfgang ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 16.55.16 # So that's the code responsible for freeing up old data, to make room for new stuff? 16.57.49 # If I disable that code (maybe a bad idea as such), I can't reproduce the data aborts... 17.00.35 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.01.51 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 17.09.44 # Lear: interesting... and yes that code frees up old data 17.12.56 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-161-123.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 17.13.22 # * n1s pokes the buildserver with a long stick 17.14.35 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-042.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 17.14.50 # The 3rd and 4th gen ipods can only record through the dock, correct? Apple never produced a unit with recording built-in, did they? 17.16.29 # Nope, they never did. 17.16.45 # All the recording methods for the iPod (that I've seen) have all been third-party. 17.17.06 Quit n1s () 17.18.14 Join delorean90 [0] (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 17.18.38 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4BF75.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.18.43 # i thought there was one generation that allowed recording through the headphone socket. 17.18.49 # 3rd 17.18.53 # 3rd gen allowed it 17.19.03 # LambdaCalculus37: Thanks.. though it looks like they sold a microphone that went in through the headphone jack... http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303100 17.19.04 # Nico_P: It seems like the problem is that if the bufopen for album art is called too quickly after the bufopen for the metadata (which triggers the start fill), then I can get the abort. 17.19.24 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 17.20.19 # LambdaCalculus37: Does the 4th gen have a recording option on the main rockbox menu? 17.20.36 # MarcGuay: Let me check again. 17.20.53 # Yes. 17.21.24 # LambdaCalculus37: Ah, I finally see the recscreen in keymap-ipod.c. Thanks folks. 17.22.06 # LambdaCalculus37: Can you pull up the recording menu from within the recording screen? 17.22.48 # Lear: have you tried adding mutex locking to fill_buffer? 17.23.52 # LambdaCalculus37: Looks like the menu button should do it. Long Play/Pause to exit. 17.25.13 # Nico_P: No, not yet. Should I do it around the entire loop? 17.26.39 # MarcGuay: Pressing menu does nothing in the recording screen. 17.26.57 # Actually, it just jumps back to the root menu. 17.27.13 # There's no way of getting into the Recording Settings menu from within the recording screen. 17.27.41 # Lear: that won't work well because it will mean that a handle can't be added until the buffering is finished... I think it's a bit trickier than that 17.27.50 # Nico_P: Need to re-get m after calling shrink_handle in fill_buffer at least... 17.27.55 # Suspected as much. 17.27.57 # i'll try to have a look when I get home 17.29.09 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.29.13 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-140.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 17.30.19 # maybe protecting the shrink_buffer call in fill_buffer would be enough... 17.32.19 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.32.55 # move_handle grabs the mutex, so shrink_handle should be fine. However, m might have changed. 17.35.31 # true 17.36.01 # LambdaCalculus37: Can you get to the quickscreen from the recscreen with a long-menu? 17.36.48 # Hm, seem to have something that works now. Maybe overdoing it a bit though. :) Should I make a patch for it? 17.36.53 Join LambdaCalculus3 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-80c73814e570de27) 17.37.06 # Lear: sure :) 17.37.26 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.37.38 Nick LambdaCalculus3 is now known as LambdaCalculus37 (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-80c73814e570de27) 17.37.39 # Lear: shrink_handle should probably take a struct memory_handle ** as arg, and update it 17.38.40 # LambdaCalculus37: Forget that, sorry, I just found the problem. 17.38.57 # Nico_P: Yes, that thought crossed by mind too... Only really needed in one place though. 17.41.44 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) 17.42.14 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 17.43.37 Quit MethoS-- (Connection timed out) 17.43.52 # Lear: I'm heading home. I'll check the logs for your patch ASAP 17.44.32 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.45.45 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.47.29 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-215-133.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 17.50.27 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.52.29 # LambdaCalculus37: Would a short or long select make the most sense to bring up the recording menu from the rec. screen? (or something else completely?) 17.54.17 # Nico_P: Added as FS#9164. 17.55.02 # MarcGuay: I say long select, as it's consistent with bringing up the quick menus. 17.56.26 Join mcuelenaere_ [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 17.57.03 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 17.58.18 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.59.35 # LambdaCalculus37: Care to test a patch? http://pastebin.com/d18cbf879 18.00.00 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 18.00.32 Join elvalecita [0] (n=anonimo@drsd-4d05ed02.pool.mediaWays.net) 18.01.59 # MarcGuay: I don't have my laptop today. Can you compile a build for me? 18.02.09 # Also, apply FS#9122 to it. 18.03.19 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.03.28 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-223-13.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.05.40 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.08.57 Nick Lear is now known as Lear_ (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.09.36 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.14.13 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb082.ugent.be) 18.14.37 Quit mcuelenaere_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.16.25 Join dany_21a [0] (n=dan@84.119.26.61) 18.16.36 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.16.46 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.18.24 Quit Genre9mp3 () 18.19.32 Join bertrik [0] (n=5a80bda4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6bfbf7447b3059df) 18.23.57 # hello! im new with rockbox, fresh installed in my ipod 5.5 gen, 30 gb, running win xp sp2. I have a lot of playlists and I converted them using "iPod-iTunes to RockBox Playlist Converter v1.01", the developer explains that I should use a patch so the songnames are displayed correctly (FS#7652 - EXTM3U support). I have been trying to learn how to actually install this patch. 18.24.03 # After reading the guide in the wiki ("WorkingWithPatches"), I guess its too hard for me being no programmer. Is there an less complicated way to fix the display of the song names? Should I give up and convert the lists manually (would take pretty long)? Thanks for your attention! Javier 18.25.45 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.26.59 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 18.28.27 # MarcGuay: I remember having a look at the recording keymaps of the Ipods once (for the manual too) and it wasn't fully working 18.29.12 # elvalecita: The problem is that the songs were synced with iTunes. It renames the song files. The EXTM3U reads extra lines with the song names in the playlist file, that your program put there. 18.29.19 # The only other fix is to simply have properly named songs. 18.32.55 # looking at the diff you pasted - long select once was an idea for my c200 keymap changes (in the recording screen) but I scrapped that since as long as a short select starts a new recording it's far too easy to accidentally start recording if you would just like to enter the menu... 18.33.10 # ^ MarcGuay 18.33.13 # Llorean: well i've actually used Winamp the whole time, i guess it does the same that itunes. So what you are saying is that I should erase my whole library from the ipod and then copy it from the original files? 18.33.24 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-128.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.33.50 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable213.6-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 18.33.51 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D7A3.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.34.05 # elvalecita: That would be the easiest way, yes. 18.34.16 # Don't treat it like an iPod. Treat it like an external disk. 18.34.40 # i had kind of hoped that my existings lists would get lost 18.34.55 Part pondlife 18.34.58 # but i guess it is quicker to redo them than to take a programmer course 18.35.06 # wouldnt* 18.35.13 # Learning to compile and patch doesn't actually take any programming knowledge. 18.35.22 # It's just a few instructions to follow. 18.35.38 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 18.35.53 # But if the patch is out of date, that can be a problem. Plus, we don't support modified versions. And so on. 18.36.26 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-107.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.36.45 # so if I could patch it, i couldnt update the program? 18.37.44 # You could update it. You'd have to compile the updates yourself (not very hard at all0 18.38.03 # But if you had any problems, the first thing we'd do is ask you to install an unpatched version and make sure they happen without the patch 18.38.58 # mm for some reason target/mips/* becomes target/1/* in the Makefile, any ideas? 18.38.59 # so it would work if i follow the instructions in the wiki? 18.40.18 # elvalecita: If the patch is up to date. If it doesn't work, then yes, you'll have to do a few more complicated things 18.40.42 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7EEB.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.41.11 # so i would have to do the Applying A Patch 18.41.11 # Applying a 'patch' (output from diff -u) is done with the 'patch' tool: 18.41.18 # oops 18.41.31 # only the "applyng"? 18.42.19 # No, you have to compile it afterward. 18.43.17 # ok, compiling a C program its not that hard, i guess. 18.43.27 # anyone else read the "Quandry" email on the mentor's list, and then follow the link to the "bad patterns" link in it ? 18.43.34 # made for quite interesting reading I thought 18.44.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.44.12 Join Galaxor [0] (n=ryan@aa2.linuxbox.com) 18.44.15 # elvalecita: No, compiling itself is just typing out a few commands. As long as you follow the directions you don't really need to learn anything. :) 18.44.18 # * GodEater_ thinks he used the word "link" there too often 18.44.18 # Well i have to go, but many many thanks for the help. ill try the applying and compiling thingie and if doesnt work ill convert the lists. Godd evening (or day) to you all. 18.44.22 # elvalecita: if you are on windows i would recommend the SimpleGuideToCompiling linked from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 18.44.56 # http://blog.red-bean.com/sussman/?p=96 18.45.58 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.46.41 # GodEater_: How many times have we seen someone say "I just want to polish it up some, then I'll release the patch" etc? 18.46.43 # Hi. I got the latest build as of Saturday, for sansa c200. It's highly excellent, with one exception: When I plug into the usb, it reboots me into the old firmware. Is that a bug, or have I somehow misconfigured it? 18.46.43 # ok ill check it out PaulJam 18.46.49 # Llorean: exactly 18.46.55 # I was thinking "blackhawk" in particular 18.47.12 # Galaxor: that's intended behaviour currently 18.47.23 # Galaxor: Rockbox doesn't have a full USB stack yet. 18.47.23 Quit elvalecita () 18.47.25 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 18.47.37 # Godeater: Oh, okay. 18.47.49 # if it didn't do that - you'd have no USB access to it 18.48.07 # GodEater_: Indeed, but just one of many. There's a popular Album Art tool people use with Rockbox, coded up by someone at the ABi forums, and it took a good deal of work to talk him into releasing his code. He wanted to, but he also wanted to "clean it up" first. 18.48.18 # ah yes, I've seen it 18.48.28 # This is kernel stuff? 18.48.38 # Galaxor: usb you mean ? 18.48.42 # The usb support, yeah. 18.48.48 # yes, it's not in there yet 18.48.53 # not in normal builds anyway 18.49.11 # Okay. I see, thanks. 18.49.35 # the plan is to put it in eventually, but it has quirks at the moment which make it undesirable for "normal" users 18.49.44 # What kind of quirks? 18.49.51 # file system corruption 18.50.03 # That does seem like an undesirable quirk. 18.50.14 # aye ;) 18.50.38 # gevaerts here is the expert 18.50.42 # if you want more detail 18.50.53 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.50.54 Join OlivierBorowski [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-46-2.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.50.56 # * GodEater_ drops gevaerts in it 18.51.03 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 18.51.12 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.51.13 # MarcGuay: Still here? 18.51.13 # * mcuelenaere really hates these massive #ifdef's files 18.51.34 # * gevaerts thinks that it is unfair to say that the file system corruption issue is a USB problem 18.51.58 # This stuff is under firmware/usbstack? 18.52.00 # gevaerts: It's more of a "feature". :P 18.52.20 # LambdaCalculus37: It's more "an existing problem that USB brought to light" if evidence holds. 18.53.11 # Anyway, there are a few issues left : "something" timing related that shows up more often when using hubs, and the (mentioned) corruption issue, which is probably a bug in the sansa sd driver 18.53.11 # Ooh, I see the usb_charging_only. Is that a thing where you can plug in the machine and it will charge but not act like a disk, and then I can reboot the machine manually in order to connect the player to the computer? 18.53.26 # yes 18.53.47 # Galaxor: yes, the manual should say which key to hold while plugging in USB does that for you 18.54.11 Quit MethoS-- (Connection timed out) 18.54.18 # (there is a third issue, but that only applies to gigabeat S and mac osx) 18.54.32 # Oh, okay. I can use that for now. I might poke my head in the code, but I've never done kernel-level stuff before, so I'll probably not be useful there. 18.54.57 # gevaerts: what's the third issue then ? 18.55.04 # * GodEater_ doesn't recall any issues on his GBS yet 18.55.10 # anyone around who's familiar with the Rockbox Makefile and/or SOURCES file parsing? 18.55.33 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.56.21 # GodEater_: I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that some versions of OSX don't like it if a device that claims to be non-removable doesn't implement the "caching" mode sense page 18.56.57 # GodEater_: this matters for the GBS because it has two FAT partitions, and Windows doesn't handle more than one partition on removable devices 18.57.17 # gevaerts: it doesn't? Since when ? 18.57.19 # * gevaerts thinks that both behaviours are bugs, but there's not much we can do 18.57.38 # * GodEater_ has plugged in multi-partition USB keys to his PC before 18.57.57 # although I guess only one of them was a FS that windows understood 18.58.01 # so perhaps that made a difference 18.58.26 # LambdaCalculus37, pixelma: I have company over. Will check it out more later, and that's a good point about the "new recording" button. 18.58.35 # It does. s/more than one partition/more than one Windows-accessible partition/ 18.58.44 # GodEater_: I thought both partitions were FAT32, and it was just a flag set to the system partition (according to the wiki, anyway). 18.58.52 # MarcGuay: Okay, no problem. 18.59.04 # LambdaCalculus37: they're TFAT technically 18.59.17 # and I've never tried plugging it into a windows PC, so I've not seen any weird behaviour 18.59.20 # gevaerts: Doesn't the e200 register as a removable device with two partitions (internal flash and SD?) 18.59.22 # * gevaerts wonders what the T stands for. "Terrible" ? 18.59.30 # Or are they treated as two separate devices? 18.59.33 # that would be two volumes 18.59.36 # not partitions 18.59.38 # Ah, right. 18.59.40 # Llorean: they are two LUNs 18.59.42 # T = Transaction 18.59.53 # Can that be faked? 19.00.06 # I would imagine so 19.00.12 # We don't exactly want people repartitioning their S anyway 19.00.13 # means more work for gevaerts though ;) 19.00.45 # Llorean: maybe not, but we may want them to be able to make a full disk-level backup 19.00.52 # the S wouldn't want them repartioning it either 19.00.55 # My S shows up as two drives, plus a USB Camera Device (which is odd) on Kubuntu. 19.01.00 # GodEater_: I think that's why we don't. :) 19.02.14 # * gevaerts is willing to make a translation layer to allow this sort of trick, but he won't be tricked into deciding that it is needed 19.03.38 # LambdaCalculus37: I deny all responibility for the camera 19.05.28 # gevaerts: leave it to RSB ? 19.05.52 # * Llorean begins to fear how much is going to get dumped on the RSB. 19.06.12 # GodEater_: maybe. There are good arguments for both sides 19.06.39 # gevaerts: it won't be popular, but I guess we could make it an option ? 19.06.49 # i.e. some sort of toggle somewhere 19.07.02 # Wouldn't that be a support nightmare? 19.07.11 # it could well become one 19.07.23 # but then, *not* having the translation layer might well become a support nightmare 19.07.31 # a lot of our "users" do run windows after all 19.07.39 # I think that turning off the translation layer could be hidden in debug 19.07.42 # if the GBS become a supported target 19.07.44 # no "userspace" toggle. 19.07.54 # And not persistent 19.08.01 # that's a good idea 19.08.01 # "debug" rarely is persistant 19.08.04 # * gevaerts could live with that sort of option 19.08.06 # It doesn't save in .cfg files 19.08.17 # e.g. usb screenshot mode 19.08.19 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-132-189.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.08.22 # But I'm still in favour of no translation layer 19.08.44 # Would the translation layer mean more overall compatibility? 19.08.46 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 19.08.52 # Less "unexpected" behaviour for the common user? 19.09.12 # Anyone familiar or good at identifying ICs? 19.09.17 # gevaerts: well do you have another idea for getting this to work on windows then ? 19.09.31 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.09.42 # GodEater_: it works now. It's just a bit unsafe. 19.09.51 # unsafe how ? 19.10.10 # You can access the firmware partition and the partition table 19.11.17 # Anyway, if the consensus (or RSB decision if there isn't one) is that there should be a translation layer, I won't oppose it 19.11.23 # how is that unsafe ? Isn't that normal behaviour ? 19.12.01 # If it isn't considered unsafe, then why are we discussing measures to make that harder? 19.12.10 # * gevaerts is a bit confused now 19.12.38 # you said "windows doesn't handle more than one parition on a removable drive" 19.12.40 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.12.49 # I assumed that meant it only allowed access to one of them 19.12.49 # GodEater_: Right now it's not "removable" 19.13.05 # oh - how is it marked currently then ? 19.13.11 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.13.11 # Removable is a SCSI term with a precise meaning :) 19.13.24 # * GodEater_ is clearly not the right person to be talking about this given he doesn't use windows with his S 19.13.27 # It's removable, but not "Removable" 19.13.30 # Nothing to do with the USB removability 19.13.52 # I think access to the partition table is probably "bad" but access to the firmware partition is good (for easy updates) 19.13.55 # ok - I think I'll butt out now then while I'm only vaguely confused :) 19.14.20 # SCSI removable means that the SCSI handler stays there, but the media can get removed (floppy, SD card,...) 19.14.43 # Only a lot of USB device manufacturers didn't read that properly 19.15.06 # that doesn't sound like desirable behaviour for a DAP without an SD card slot 19.15.32 # I can see it would make sense for the sansas though 19.16.00 # It's a bit complicated, because for lots of reasons that bit also gets used by OSes to make decisions, like "do I put a trashcan on it" 19.16.07 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 19.16.24 # So for this bit too, there is no "right" answer 19.16.29 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.17.46 # how irritating 19.17.49 # A useful thing you get from setting the removable bit is that you can get eject commands, which you can use to leave disk mode and go to charging mode (technically you are still in disk mode, but the disk is ejected) 19.18.05 # which is presumably how the ipod does it 19.18.14 # * Llorean would very much like that. 19.18.26 # * Llorean also does like the "doesn't keep a trashcan" aspect of removable devices. 19.18.34 # * gevaerts points out that it already works like that, except for the GBS 19.20.20 # Ah. 19.20.50 # You can even go back to disk mode, via the debug menu 19.21.25 # * gevaerts wonders when Bagder will be able to kick the build master 19.22.08 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.22.24 # Oh, right, I remember that now from when I tried on my Nano 19.25.34 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.27.11 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 19.32.29 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.01 # argh 19.34.21 # i hate whatever way flyspray uses to post replies that has me posting another one each time i reload a page 19.35.31 # GET and not POST is usually the culprit there 19.36.15 # yeah, probably 19.39.15 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.39.33 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.39.50 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-132-189.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.40.01 # hello all... i am daniel_at from the "Sansa V2"-thread from the rb-forum... i have some ARM (and ARM-assembly) related questions, anyone here who can give me some hints? 19.40.19 # dany_21a: I'm guessing amiconn can probably help 19.40.29 # dany_21a: Ask away. 19.40.29 # assuming he has time 19.41.42 # LambdaCalculus37: okay... thx: i have none to nearly none ARM-assembly knowledge (once or twice debugged a Pocked-PC programm... thats all) so I have some basic questions: 19.41.59 # What does "LDR R0 [R0,#8]" to 19.42.09 # sry... What does "LDR R0, [R0,#8]" to 19.42.32 # that looks like the same question ;) 19.42.36 # (What does the [...]-bracket thingy do) 19.42.37 # * amiconn multicast-pings LinusN, Bagder and Zagor 19.42.48 # GodEater: (forgot semicolon) 19.43.13 # I see no semicolon... 19.43.30 # ahm... whats the english word for "," 19.43.34 # comma 19.43.40 # okay..forgot that :) 19.43.47 # semi-colon -> ; 19.44.06 # okay.. thx 19.44.16 # dany_21a: It loads a 32-bit value from address (r0 + 8) into r0 19.44.26 # * amiconn recommends the arm reference manual 19.44.51 # amiconn: so [..] is basically the offset-operator? 19.45.34 # It's not an operator, it's an addressing mode. All ldr and str instructions use [] 19.46.06 # Google for ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf 19.46.14 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 19.48.26 # amiconn okay, will have a look 19.50.24 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 19.53.49 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-330420.home.otenet.gr) 19.53.57 # amiconn: does this make sense: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25730/ 19.55.10 # no 19.55.45 # i noticed in the whyrockbox section of the wiki that While Playing screen was in bold, but only the first 2 words were capitalized, i just got permission for the wiki yesterday, should i capitalize the 's'? 19.55.56 # uhmm.. just saw.. the ands should read "ands r1, r1, #0x02" - or? 19.56.00 Quit ze (Remote closed the connection) 19.56.04 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 19.56.13 # amiconn: ^ 19.56.20 # (1) You cannot use ldr(b|h) with = this way. It will load the address itself from the constant pool (but that cannot work because ldrb is byte sized) 19.56.29 # (2) There is no 'noloop' label 19.56.51 # err, scratch (2) 19.56.56 # (last line) 19.57.22 # to (1)... okay - how to i load the value (its actually a register) from a constant address. 19.57.27 # yeah, just a bit far away to spot it easily... 19.58.04 # You need to load that address into a register first. Either using ldr, from the constant pool, or using mov/orr sequences with immediates 19.58.42 # And there's 'tst' for testing bits, which does the same as 'and' but discards the result itself 20.00.17 # http://paste.ubuntu.com/25733/ 20.01.03 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.02.17 # The other version would be to use mov r1, #0xC8000000; orr r1, r1, #0x0D0000 instead of ldr r1, =GPIO3_DATA 20.03.19 Quit itcheg ("Life without danger is a waste of oxygen") 20.03.40 # amiconn: okay - i have already seen that construct from the pastpin in the disassmbly some times 20.03.44 # This uses the same amount of binary size (the ldr also needs the address in the constant pool, automatically put there by the assembler). Whether it's faster or slower depends on the arm version and generation 20.03.52 # thx - currently compiling/uploading 20.04.14 # On arm7tdmi the mov/orr combo is faster. On later ones it probably doesn't matter 20.05.12 # amiconn: yeah, just wondered how can be imm32 20.05.26 # ? 20.05.41 # "[...](the ldr also needs the address in the constant pool,[,...]" 20.06.05 # Yes, that means it's outside the instruction flow 20.07.11 Quit Acky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.07.54 # amiconn: just to be sure... the loop is executed if the bit1 is set...or? 20.08.48 # The assembler collects everything you assign using =, and dumps this constant pool somewhere within range for offest addressing, either automatically at the end of the module, or wherever you put a .ltorg directive 20.09.16 Nick Lear_ is now known as Lear (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.09.39 # dany_21a: Nope, the opposite 20.09.56 # amiconn: damn... :) 20.11.52 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3CA5D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.13.16 # * Buschel needs to remeasure svn mp3... 20.13.21 # the results cannot be true 20.14.25 # * Buschel just measured the c-dct32 as 8.25MHz faster than the asm one 20.14.49 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 20.20.18 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-668d9e283e1c638b) 20.21.19 # thread.c has this line: "thread->context.sp = (typeof (thread->context.sp))stackend;" of what type does context.sp needs to be? 20.21.44 # (GCC gives me "error: 'struct regs' has no member named '$29'") 20.21.54 # I would guess the stack pointer 20.22.12 # me too, but isn't that an unsigned int aka uint32_t ? 20.23.14 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.26 # stackend is a uintptr_t BTW 20.23.35 # Probably, but that error seems to point to a different problem I think 20.23.55 # ok, remeasurements looks reasonable fir libmad. c-dct32 -O2 = 39.75MHz, c-dct32 -01 = 38.27MHz, asm dct -O2 = 38.28MHz 20.24.11 # I think the code will work with a cast to (uint32_t), but I'm not going to change that as it's not cross-platform compatible 20.24.19 # so, at least the c-dct is of the same speed as the asm'ed dct 20.25.05 # ah never mind, gevaerts you were right: the problem is elsewhere 20.27.48 # Buschel: Did you also test the PP5020 case? (less iram - dunno whether libmad on arm makes use of that) 20.28.07 # PP5002 is probably more different 20.28.53 # amiconn: no, just have a 5022 here. just trying to put the c-dct32 into iram now 20.29.25 # You can test the 5020 case. PP5020 and PP5022 are identical in speed as long as the same things are in iram 20.29.48 # I mean you can test it on PP5022 20.30.04 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 20.30.07 # amiconn: c-dct32 -O1 with iram = 38.26MHz 20.31.32 # ahem, this was for -O2, doing -O1 now 20.32.19 Join bertrik [0] (n=5a80bda4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c707cff488b7172) 20.34.46 # c-dct32 -O1 with iram = 38.25MHz 20.36.43 # hi Buschel 20.36.50 # hi 20.36.53 # So... pretty minimal differences 20.36.57 # I've got some new results at the IpodRuntime page 20.37.15 # What's the margin of error in those measurements? 20.37.15 # * wpyh is not going to disturb their conversation 20.37.32 # amiconn: they are quite reproducible 20.37.45 # Yeah, but +/- 0.02MHz ?? 20.37.47 # amiconn: max difference is +/- 0.01MHz 20.38.03 # That's less than one permille 20.38.55 # are #define's included from a .h file in a .c file still valid when it's run through the assembler stage? 20.39.01 # amiconn: how can we build synth.c with -O1, but the other files with -O2? 20.39.09 # And alignment can probably change things more than that. On coldfire it definitely does; didn't see that effect on arm yet though 20.39.45 # Buschel: I'd just keep using the asm version.... 20.40.07 # Maybe that one can be optimised further, and then you'll gain more than 0.02MHz 20.40.55 # at least I would learn more about makefiles ;-) 20.41.15 # * wpyh sees that the conversation has died down somewhat 20.41.25 # Buschel:from my data on the IpodRuntime page 20.41.42 # (there's a final data missing but it should follow the trend) 20.42.01 # wpyh: yes, i saw them. libmad does not scale that much with the bitrate as the OF does 20.42.15 # the runtime increases that we see when we use a lower bitrate codec is lower than with the OF 20.42.19 # (or better: rockbox does not scale...) 20.42.32 # oh? I was thinking about the buffering algorithm, but I'm not sure 20.43.31 # and the OF doesn't turn off accessory power supply, right? while in my tests, I turned it off... so there must be a huge power eater somewhere 20.43.34 # Buschel: If you want that, you'd at least need to test on *all* arm variants 20.44.01 Nick amiconn is now known as PowerEater (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.44.01 # to clarify my question: there are some registers who need to be replaced by #define's, but those are in an asm volatile() statement; is it possible to do so? 20.44.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.44.10 Nick PowerEater is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.44.10 # uh... 20.44.28 # amiconn: i would like to know what the effect on _my_ player for now 20.44.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host57-211-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.44.43 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 20.44.56 # btw I will make further tests on my Nano -- it has a shorter battery runtime so tests will finish more quickly ;) 20.45.54 # * amiconn wonders how Buschel wants to measure runtime differences in the 10-seconds range... 20.48.05 # * Buschel is a bit penetrant regarding codec performance 20.48.32 # * Buschel is mixing up german and english :/ 20.49.37 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-EIGHTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU) 20.50.50 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B1631C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.50.50 # Buschel: you use battery bench a lot, right? Can you have a look at this simplified version of battery bench that I posted here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9155 ? 20.51.33 # bluebrother: "Installation instructions can be found in the manual, which is (here). The recommended method is by use of RBUtil." 20.51.52 # I think we should probably remove the bias in the instructions towards the "manual" method too 20.52.00 # maybe move the manual method to an appendix even 20.52.00 # Llorean: I was thinking of something along the lines of adding one line underneath "Why should you run Rockbox? Click here to find out" with something like "Installation instructions(link) - Read the manual(link) for more detailed instructions on how to use Rockbox" 20.52.05 # Llorean: yes, something like that. 20.52.40 Join Mathiasdm2 [0] (n=Mathias@vpnc220.ugent.be) 20.52.55 # * Nico_P agrees that rbutil needs to be more visible 20.53.00 # I also had the idea of adding a startup screen to rbutil (mainly for checking system stuff and giving a warning about issues immediately). We could add a hint to the manual during that screen as well 20.53.33 # bluebrother: how many targets have you had connected to your PC at once with rbutil running btw ? 20.53.37 # in this version of battery bench, the instant that a measurement is done no longer depends on disk activity, disk spin-down times or whether music is playing or not, it simply takes a measurement each minute 20.53.48 # I noticed the other day it gets easily confused with multiple DAPS attached at once 20.53.54 # GodEater_: good question. Let me try with as much targets as available ;-) 20.54.01 # I've done it with 5 attached 20.54.17 # any major problems with that? 20.54.24 # Actually, 1.0.5 gets confused if you have a .rockbox folder on a local HD 20.54.28 # the detection wont really work nice with multiple devices... 20.54.30 # Say you extracted a build there to tinker with the files of. 20.54.39 # It detected my "D:" drive as an iPod nano 20.54.59 # :-) which is very nice for testing :-) 20.55.03 # if you faked your drive D: as being a nano ... ;-) 20.55.09 # I'd say moving "Manual Install" to an appendix is a very good idea. 20.56.07 # with my setup (linux version) it misidentified quite a few of the targets 20.56.08 # its the detection via the rockbox.info file, its always first, and just uses the first drive with this file found :-) 20.56.09 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.56.13 # betrik: hmm, i should run a new battery bench with this patch then 20.56.45 # domonoky: not exactly. USB detection comes first ;-) 20.57.05 # bertrik: Btw, JdGordon's remark is incorrect. The ata callback on flash targets is called after normal disk activity like on hdd targets 20.57.13 # bluebrother: yes, but usb never stops the detection, so the rockbox.info stuff overrides.. 20.57.15 # * mcuelenaere really hates this MIPSel assembler.. 20.57.28 # * GodEater_ doesn't care if people simple give up, it's the ones who don't give up, and come and ask for advice afterwards that are annoying 20.57.32 # hmm, right. We should change that ... 20.57.50 # (see e.g. ata-sd-pp.c and ata_mmc.c) 20.57.55 # GodEater_: This is in response to? 20.57.56 # amiconn: ok thanks, I hadn't really looked into it myself yet 20.58.03 # maybe we should always try to detect everything, and present a list, if there are multiple devices ... 20.58.12 # or at least try to make detection more robust. But I'm still hoping to add some other missing mountpoint detection first 20.58.14 # Llorean: your forum post ;) 20.58.32 # I thought it was too cheeky to add to the actual thread 20.58.35 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4D7A3.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.58.49 # * GodEater_ again wishes for meta-comments :) 20.59.39 # bluebrother: we should also use all usb ids we can use, and only use the patchers as a last resort (because they need special permissions)... 20.59.41 # GodEater_: I clarified it a bit. 21.00.06 # domonoky: well, the problem is that some Ipods have the same PID 21.00.09 # I see nothing wrong with not caring if people give up, especially if they might increase the load on our support people for no real gain. So I don't see any reason to encourage them *not* to read the docs. 21.00.19 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 21.00.32 # Buschel: yes please test it if you can. I am not able to test it on other targets than sansa e200 myself. 21.00.41 # I'm not sure we have a way of measuring what percentage give up entirely, and what percentage give up on their own and then come and bug us 21.00.44 # bluebrother: yes, but we only have to use ipodpatcher if we detect one of the dublicates.. 21.00.48 # ok, this is bad: I now have 5 players connected (of which one is a fake Ipod). Rbutil detected one of the players but used a wrong mountpoint 21.01.06 # bluebrother: that's exactly what I found 21.01.14 # domonoky: in that case it would be good if we could make rbutil ask for elevation on vista not earlier than needed. 21.01.32 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 21.01.40 # GodEater_: I'd say that simply putting an installation doc together, with the installer linked inside it, rather than suggesting they start with the installer and try to stumble though, is better. 21.01.41 # bluebrother: would be nice, if i only would know how to this.. 21.01.45 # I think the easiest soltion would be to simply not set the device / mountpoint and present an error if multiple devices are detected. 21.01.48 # bluebrother: I'm not saying it's going to be a common occurence, I just thought you should know about it 21.01.50 # If you ask them to stumble through, I think they're MORE likely to come ask for help without reading anything, not less. 21.01.54 # you're the guy working on windows ... ;-) 21.02.16 # Llorean: absolutely - couldn't agree more 21.02.34 # GodEater_: I agree that we should do something about that. Don't consider it problematic or anything above lowest priority though ;-) 21.02.50 # no - it's only us mad fools with multiple targets generally :) 21.02.57 # hehe :) 21.02.58 # and I don't often update them all at once 21.03.28 # it's definitely an "edge case" 21.04.51 # a short "installation with rbutil and screenshots" might be nice. 21.05.08 # bluebrother: Agreed 21.05.09 Quit delorean90 () 21.05.27 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.05.34 # I'd like to see an installation instructions that was target independent, since with the exception of one or two special steps (that RBUtil should tell you clearly about, in the ideal case) it can be. 21.06.03 # I might try putting one up in the wiki so we can improve it and eventually create some manual-like installation document from it 21.06.37 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.06.41 # Sounds good to me. 21.07.26 # His work life seems to have picked up around a similar time it happened. 21.07.58 # But the "Mod" position is more in dealing with bans, problem users, etc. 21.08.23 # Since I know he's more moderate than me, and I'd met him at DevConW, etc, I'd decided he seemed like a good role for the job, and felt we could probably use one more mod 21.08.49 # is there anyone *less* moderate than you? :) 21.09.11 # I think I banned 'em all. 21.09.15 # hahaha 21.10.16 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 21.10.17 # Anyway, I'm thinking of having one more "Global Mod" for the forums sometime soon. They're not only getting big, but probably with a rules reorganization and all the recent upcoming ports, they'll get a lot more active. 21.10.21 Quit pondlife ("Leaving.") 21.10.32 # very true 21.10.38 # the D2 looks close 21.10.40 # And I hate the fact that it's true, but more activity means we need a few more people with hammers. 21.10.42 # the GBS is *very* close 21.10.59 # I think we've already had the brunt of the GBS rush dimmed by how long it's been in that nether area it's in. 21.11.13 # I'm skeptical of that 21.11.21 # I think what it goes on the front page it'll pick up again 21.11.33 # I think it'll be a good deal less than it would've been if it happened two months ago, though 21.11.33 # although not hugely perhaps, given how hard it is to come by 21.11.46 # The SansaV2 is where I think the biggest rush will come in. 21.11.53 # yeah 21.11.57 # that's going to be "fun" 21.12.26 # * GodEater_ remembers "fondly" the last influx of sansa users 21.12.39 # That's a big part of why I think the forums need simpler rules, and consistent enforcing 21.12.41 # though most of them have mellowed with time ;) 21.12.43 # Llorean: what do you think about "GraphicalInstall" as pagename? 21.12.46 # We need something that scales well. 21.13.00 # bluebrother: Works for me, and I think it'll help make people feel comfortable. 21.13.58 # * gevaerts was probably one of the latecomers in this last influx of sansa users 21.14.12 # gevaerts: You certainly aren't in the group we're referring to. 21.14.29 # hell no 21.14.36 # Though it's possible you've "bricked" your player as often as they have... 21.14.46 # unless I forgot you drooling into your beard when you first arrived 21.14.54 # and smacking your knuckles on the door step 21.15.10 # Hehehe... :) 21.15.21 # I'm pretty sure I'd remember though 21.15.33 # I'm probably the only one to have "bricked" his c200 to be able to give exact instructions to someone else :) 21.15.44 # Now that's dedication. :) 21.15.46 # what, on how to brick it exactly the same ? :) 21.16.13 # 1) Take one microwave oven.... 21.16.21 # 2) insert your DAP... 21.16.24 # That's for bricking, not "bricking" 21.16.39 # ah, that subtle difference some many of our users miss 21.16.44 # s/some/so 21.16.45 # 3) Microwave on HIGH for 5 minutes. 21.16.54 # 4) Stand well back 21.17.14 # 5) Boom! 21.17.17 # 6) Hahaha! 21.17.40 # Or just 2) drop microwave (with DAP in it) in a handy nearby river 21.18.15 # I'm also not entirely confident about who we'll be getting with the Meizu player 21.18.38 # they're going to be hard work 21.18.40 # Llorean: I can pretty much assure that we're going to have a massive influx of visitors from China with the Meizu. 21.18.49 # I think the big fear for me is always when I go check out their own forums, and realize they're going to come to ours and expect to be able to behave the same 21.19.08 # * GodEater_ gets ready with the big stick to wave at them 21.19.44 # Llorean: I had a crazy idea... why not also assign specific people to mod various areas of the forums? For example, someone can mod the Apple section, another mod the Toshiba section, etc... 21.19.53 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.19.57 # LambdaCalculus37: I've actually been intentionally trying to avoid that. 21.20.27 # Llorean: Understood. Sorry for bringing it up. :) 21.20.27 # I think that just means I'm telling people exactly who to pester if they have a question about TopicX and don't want to post it in a thread 21.20.33 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@ANancy-256-1-132-189.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.20.58 # The forums have functionality specifically for it, but really, if I'm going to give someone full "moderator" type privileges, it's probably just going to be globally 21.21.30 # Actually, that does sound like the better idea. 21.21.43 # LambdaCalculus37: how much do you consciously spend avoiding bits of the forum in your own browsing habits ? 21.21.46 # I mean, basically, making someone a mod over a specific area is saying "I trust you to moderate, but not to know when you don't know enough to moderate" 21.22.07 Quit Buschel () 21.22.10 # haha 21.23.04 # GodEater_: I don't go into the Olympus section, and I don't get involved with the unsupported build section, and it irks me to see questions about unsupported builds being asked in the wrong areas. 21.23.59 # the Olympus section hasn't had a new post in forever. 21.24.02 # It's not the most lively target 21.24.03 # LambdaCalculus37: you should do what I did 21.24.07 # Either that, or it has the brightest users _ever_ 21.24.12 # take a 2 month sabbatical 21.24.19 # I'm *so* chilled about the forums right now :) 21.24.39 # I've not been snide to anyone for weeks 21.25.17 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.27.37 # Well, ideally the pre-written responses for each of the possible rules violations will mean a vastly overall reduced "snideness" anyway. Unless people decide the canned responses are snide. 21.27.38 # It's unfortunate that there's no voicing of "recording started"/"recording stopped". I can only imagine how difficult it would be to know what's going on otherwise. 21.27.42 Join billiob [0] (n=billiob@ADijon-158-1-61-40.w92-130.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.29.25 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-2861224ba0b8c2da) 21.29.44 # MarcGuay: I'm not certain, but isn't there a way to beep on stop/start? 21.30.27 # * MarcGuay goes to find out 21.31.18 # Don't see anything on the e200. 21.31.47 # I think it might be the normal button beep 21.32.49 # do you mean key click ? 21.33.08 # Llorean: Keyclick + Start recording just locked up my player... :) 21.33.14 # hahahaha 21.33.22 # Well, obviously that's not ideal behaviour 21.33.22 Join Ors [0] (n=Ors@adsl-62-167-63-113.adslplus.ch) 21.33.27 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.33.28 # obviously this is intended behaviour ;) 21.33.32 # FBut lyspray isn't there. 21.33.59 # Close enough. 21.35.03 # Crud. I can reproduce that lockup. So much for replying to that guy on the list.. 21.35.47 # is memset16 equal to memset with the difference that the first one is optimized for word access? 21.35.48 # Keyclick seems to be unreliable with the voices menus in general, sometimes beeping, sometimes not. 21.36.19 Quit Arathis2 ("Bye, bye") 21.36.25 # MarcGuay: imo Keyclick is bloody dreadful across all PP targets 21.36.43 # GodEater: It's supposed to be a beep or a click? 21.36.49 # heck if I know 21.36.53 # Agreed. I can hardly use it on either one of my iPods. 21.36.57 # Llorean, MarcGuay: I think I remember the Archoses which can record can "beep" 21.36.59 # it made my ears bleed the first time I tried it 21.37.08 # I've never turned it on since 21.37.26 # So, what you're saying is, "keyclick should be ifdeffed out for the release"? 21.37.37 # At least for PP targets? 21.37.40 # GodEater: pondlife fixed that but it means that it doesn't work 100% of the time... 21.37.42 # well I would 21.37.54 # GodEater_: Mind posting a bug report on it (what it does, how to reproduce if possible, etc)? 21.37.54 # pixelma: so it's still somewhat useless then ? 21.38.11 # Llorean: well if pondlife "fixed" the ears bleeding thing, there's not much point 21.38.15 # Ah 21.38.17 # I think I documented that on the original patch anyway 21.38.22 # he just ignored it ;) 21.38.29 # and that beeeep only occured to me (on the c200) when voice was enabled), if it was disabled it worked correctly 21.38.33 # * Llorean needs a list of "features that don't work, or do work but do something stupid" 21.38.40 # not sure what it does currently haven 21.38.43 # Llorean: Yeah, it's awful. I just had it pierce my ears (even on weak). It froze on "meeeeeep" until I restarted playback. 21.38.45 # * GodEater_ thinks Llorean will get a long list 21.38.55 # haven't tried for a while 21.39.06 # GodEater_: I WANT a long list. 21.39.09 # the longer the better. 21.39.18 # masochist 21.39.19 # :D 21.39.20 # Llorean: is that the thing called "release notes" ? 21.39.23 # Then we can decide "which ones do we remove, and which do we put in the Known Issues file" 21.39.26 # Who cares about fixing things. 21.39.26 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@p5B161C54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.39.29 # The long meep was with voicing off as well. 21.39.38 # gevaerts: Exactly! 21.39.47 # Hi there 21.40.57 Join webguest93 [0] (n=4e0c81cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f1f17aec0138c14) 21.41.06 # Could somebody help me and tell whether my Zicplay mp3 player can be used with rockbox? I could not find it in the listing 21.41.24 # Ors: It's not in the listing because it cannot be used. 21.41.31 # Only the players on the front page can be used. 21.42.03 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.42.25 # OK. I just asked to be on the safe side, any other way I could use my mp3 player, alternative solution? 21.42.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8660 <- Recording hardlocks with keyclick enabled 21.42.49 # Mark it as 3.0? 21.43.17 # * Llorean goes to do that 21.44.35 # MarcGuay: If you can mark things as 3.0, feel free to mark anything at all you think even *might* be 3.0 relevant. I think it's better to have a large list to pare down, rather than later wondering if we need to go back through the non 3.0 stuff again and again. 21.44.41 # Ors: Buy a compatible player? 21.44.54 # Llorean: I agree. 21.45.38 # Good. :) 21.45.55 Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.45.55 # LambdaCalculus37: I have meant to use this old player 21.46.13 # Ors: in that case your only option is "port rockbox to it yourself" 21.47.24 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.50.42 # I guess that would be rather complicated for me... 21.50.42 Quit stoffel ("Lost terminal") 21.51.34 Quit arohtar (Client Quit) 21.52.05 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.52.14 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3063.gwdg.de) 21.52.37 # Ors: Well, then you're not getting Rockbox. 21.53.37 Join remghoost [0] (n=remghoos@pool-71-104-149-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.53.40 # so I thought :-( 21.53.41 # linuxstb: am I right that the current dax status basically is "code runs, buttons are known, and lcd works" ? 21.54.06 # More or less. Interrupts are also working, so the tick task is running, and sleep works. 21.54.25 # I think the current status is waiting for "someone" to play with the NAND driver 21.54.42 # hello everyone 21.55.03 # * shotofadds has LambdaCalculus37's m240 now, so might take a look soon 21.55.10 # Mine was switched to usb boot today, so I can play with it. I'm planning to take it with me on holiday 21.55.18 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.55.18 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B161C54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.55.31 # ok, up for comments and improvements: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicalInstall 21.56.15 # so, the rockbox installer says that i have an unsupported apple player variant. what should i do? 21.56.51 # remghoost: Either buy a new player, or follow the step-by-step guide here ;) http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 21.57.13 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.57.16 # alright, thanks so much 21.58.06 # bluebrother: looks good to me 21.58.40 # I hope those windows kids can cope with the screenshots made on linux ;-) 21.59.23 # They can, but what about the OSX kids? 21.59.42 # well, those are such a minority ... ;-) 22.00.04 Quit remghoost () 22.01.03 # really nice that rbutil now detects unsupported Ipods. 22.01.59 # Indeed. You can consider that tested now :) 22.02.16 # Llorean: you realise "he" is the original poster in the ipod skipping thread ? 22.02.23 # I did test it. I made my pendrive being an unsupported Ipod :) 22.02.55 # Ah, linuxstb da breakah is back 22.03.23 # GodEater_: Oops 22.03.27 # when did amiconn become a gansta rapper ? 22.03.31 # I read "same problem" and assumed different person. 22.03.38 # Otherwise I'd have expected "still have the problem" 22.03.47 # * GodEater_ is here to help Llorean avoid looking silly 22.05.27 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.06.20 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host57-211-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.09.07 Part Ors ("Leaving.") 22.12.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.12.50 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host57-211-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.14.22 # bluebrother: maybe the wording on that first dialog can be a bit better. Would it be hard to distinguish between "no configuration" and "invalid/wrong configuration" and give a friendly "welcome to rockbox, you need to setup some things" message in the first case? 22.14.41 # * gevaerts also asks domonoky 22.15.16 # gevaerts: sure.. feel free to modify.. :-) 22.16.38 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.16.50 # GodEater_: do we have a concept of "supported" codecs now? 22.16.59 # * Nico_P was thinking the same as gevaerts 22.17.09 # * gevaerts is looking at the source 22.18.21 # gevaerts: while you're there, a minor nit-pick: "allow you to correcting" should be "allow you to correct" 22.18.35 # shotofadds: not really, but we have ones which work better than others 22.18.56 # yeah, it's just that s-word again... 22.19.47 # feel free to change my wording ;) 22.20.06 # shotofadds: I'm on it :) 22.20.27 # shotofadds: that better ? 22.20.47 # spot on 22.21.00 # bluebrother: nice guide :) I'm not sure WikiManual is the best parent for it though 22.23.48 # Nico_P: Looked at the patch yet? (FS#9164) 22.24.36 Quit midgey () 22.24.51 # Lear: yes, but I'm not really in shape to think serioulsy about which mutex locks are really necessary 22.25.16 # Anyone feel like testing a new keymap for the iPod recording screen? 22.25.19 # Lear: have you tried to isolate the ones that actually fix your issue? 22.25.48 # http://pastebin.com/d58a8c2d8 22.26.24 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.28.35 # * gevaerts has fixed the easy bit : the correcting thing. Now the hard bit... 22.29.22 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.04 # Nico_P: Not really. I do know that the one in bufopen wasn't enough though. Maybe not required either. :) 22.30.08 # bluebrother, domonoky: would adding a boolean field to indicate whether the current config comes from a file (set to true on sync()) to rbsettings be a good way to solve this ? 22.30.08 # gevaerts: I think some source texts could get made better. Starting from obvious errors ("plenken") up to no-really-user-compatible wording 22.30.53 # gevaerts: I think the better solution is to add a new "welcome" screen. 22.31.19 # Yes, but that still needs no-existing-config detection 22.31.21 # that would include a "don't remind me again" button which is such a flag. It could also inform the user if permissions are missing or similar 22.31.25 # Lear: yeah I'm not sure the one in bufopen is required 22.31.43 Quit Mathiasdm2 ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 22.31.52 # also, I wanted to make this screen re-appear on each update so we can present the users a changelog 22.32.15 # * gevaerts is starting to think that this may not be a five minute fix 22.32.38 # yep, that's the reason I haven't done it 22.32.47 # but its on my todo list 22.33.17 # Then I'd probably better not do a quick fix now, to avoid interfering with whatever you come up with 22.33.38 # It's just a bit of ugliness after all, not a critical bug 22.34.06 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 22.34.14 # Lear: add_handle already handles the mutex, and there's nothing that yields in bufopen apart from what was already protected 22.34.27 # so I don't think the changes there are needed 22.34.47 # also, what about the last hunk? 22.35.06 # Nico_P: I added that mainly because add_handle and load_bitmap both mess around with various "globals". And mutex_lock can yield, can't it? 22.35.14 # gevaerts: you could start with a "bool firstStart()" function in the setting object, and show a nicer Dialog on first Start... 22.35.21 # gevaerts: feel free to open a task in the tracker as a reminder ;-) 22.35.24 # this Diaglog can the be improved later.. :-) 22.35.37 # domonoky: I want to save the current version info instead ... 22.36.22 Part billiob 22.36.47 # Lear: no, it doesn't yield. even is they both touch the same vars, it's not really a problem as long as they do it sequentially, which is already guaranteed 22.37.29 # So maybe a QString curVersion() function, and a new dialog if that is nonexistent or different from the software version ? 22.37.36 # Nico_P: shrink_buffer walks the handle list and moves them around. 22.39.36 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.39.45 # Lear: the moving is already protected by the mutex, inside (move_handle) 22.39.57 # gevaerts: for me this sounds good... lets see if bluebrother has other plans :-) 22.40.55 # domonoky: you know I'm not happy with the settings object anyway 22.41.16 # * gevaerts doesn't volunteer to rewrite _that_ 22.41.16 # yes, it could need some improvement... 22.41.32 # * bluebrother would do it but still has the bootloader class to finish 22.42.14 # Lear: actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm starting to think that maybe none of those additional mutexes are needed and that the only issue was m being made out of date by shrink_handle 22.42.28 # but it doesnt hurt to add another function to it, till we find time to redesing it.. :-) 22.42.39 # agreed 22.44.05 # * gevaerts goes ahead, and hopes to have a patch ready to review in a few decaminutes 22.44.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.48.18 # Nico_P: Possibly. On the other hand, if the albumart bufopen was done too quickly, I got the abort - while doing the initial buffering. Would shrink_handle really do anything in that case? 22.52.23 # maybe it moves the audio handle, yes 22.54.31 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-163-56.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.55.52 # Lear: would you mind trying without the added mutex calls? 22.55.58 Quit atrus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.56.15 # I'm curious to know whether it would still work, although I have doubts 22.56.23 # I'm working on it. Need to reproduce it first... :) 22.56.48 Quit hannesd (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 22.56.53 # all right :) 22.58.25 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.59.33 Join delorean90 [0] (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 22.59.57 # bluebrother, domonoky: where is the configuration file saved ? 23.01.04 # ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxUtility.ini 23.01.17 Join bertrik [0] (n=5a80bda4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c52c40594f7998b0) 23.01.17 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.01.21 # depends on the plattform... 23.01.28 # * gevaerts found it 23.01.40 # I just wanted to check if my new string is in it 23.01.47 # * bluebrother simply assumed linux :) 23.04.55 # this link shows where its store on the different plattforms (we use ini format) http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qsettings.html#platform-specific-notes 23.09.18 # Lear: btw, thanks for looking into the code... it's always good to have some fresh eyes :) 23.14.04 # Nico_P: You're welcome. But now I can't reproduce it. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes not... 23.15.19 Part domonoky 23.21.36 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 23.25.49 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.28.00 # * gevaerts wants to know why this thing doesn't want to work 23.29.33 # bluebrother: if I do a settings->setWhatever(); just before a settings->sync(); shouldn't the new setting be saved? 23.29.50 Part dany_21a 23.30.31 # * gevaerts has a suspicion of what might be wrong 23.35.42 # bluebrother: around? 23.36.19 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.37.30 # bluebrother: patch at http://pastebin.ca/1065026. Do you want me to commit it, or just open an FS task? 23.38.51 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 23.39.04 # * gevaerts has been searching for at least twenty minutes why two strings were different. Turns out that for some strange reason __TIME__ changes everytime you build, and can be different for different files 23.39.09 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC") 23.39.09 # gevaerts: sorry, was distracted for a bit 23.40.01 # looks nice. Go for it! 23.40.09 # bluebrother: no problem. I lost more time to being stupid than to your distraction :) 23.40.24 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.41.26 # hmm... may have found a bug on my gigabeat, but i'm having trouble isolating it.. i use the random folder advance, when i advance to the next folder using short right/long right it goes to the next folder but i get no audio 23.41.35 # the song plays, but silently 23.41.42 # if i restart the track using back, it plays 23.41.53 # doesn't do that every time 23.42.47 # also... when i do short left long left it doesn't go back to the previous dir.. just to a random one 23.42.53 # don't know if its supposed to 23.44.06 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.44.10 # guess that's two bugs.. but i don't know if the second one is a bug :) 23.44.11 # goffa: If it's random, I'd expect it to be random in both directions, I guess. 23.44.47 # goffa: for the first issue see FS#9152, the second one is intended. 23.44.58 # ok 23.45.17 # although.. random backwards should go back imo 23.45.23 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.45.27 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.02 # but might be too much code on the other hand 23.46.25 # So what's the difference between random forwards and random backwards? 23.46.56 # there is no difference (in the current implementation) 23.46.57 # well... backwards shouldn't be random 23.47.00 # :) 23.47.23 # So what's the point in the two button mappings? Why not just use one? 23.47.52 # linuxstb: for non-random dirskip 23.48.19 # IMO, skipping backwards should be disabled in random mode then - or fixed. 23.49.03 # goffa: play/pause will "fix" the no sound issue. could you add a comment to the task PaulJam linked you to with a description of how you got it? 23.49.15 # goffa: Does the same thing happen if you use the combo-keypress? 23.49.34 # hmm... i never do that.. let me try a couple times 23.49.52 # goffa: Curious about both issues... 23.50.40 # just did it about 20 times 23.50.42 # Nico_P: when you got the issue, did you use the PLAY + LEFT/RIGHT buttoncombo or the short - long combo? 23.50.43 # combo 23.50.49 # no error 23.51.12 # PaulJam: actually I haven't gotten it that way for a long time because I never skip dirs 23.51.12 # so it would seem that its just short right long right 23.51.19 # i didn't try combo left 23.51.20 # s/for/in 23.51.25 # mostly because i don't care :) 23.51.26 # goffa: And does it random backwards as well? 23.51.32 # i can do it 23.52.57 # ok.. combo left seems to work too 23.53.11 # let me try short left long left 23.53.16 # goffa: It goes to the previous album non-randomly? 23.53.37 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4CE2E.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.54.03 # MarcGuay: it goes to a random album 23.54.13 # however.. there seems to be consistant sound 23.54.43 # goffa: The difference between the two seems to be in gwps.c starting at line 390. 23.54.44 # i hope that made sense 23.57.54 # Line 363, actually, for the skip fwd. 23.58.28 # here's the way i think it should behave... maybe i'm illogical... left: beginning of track, double left: last track of previous album. combo or short long first track of previous album 23.58.45 Join rocko_ [0] (n=rocko@c-67-167-121-188.hsd1.il.comcast.net)