--- Log for 08.07.108 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.00 # stripwax: it's also free as in free speech 00.00.01 # goffa - I think I agree with those key combinations 00.00.24 # so it uses gstreamer then to play mp3 then 00.00.32 # rocko_: no 00.00.32 # no it doesn't 00.00.39 # Nico_P - I know, I just wanted to understand what "completely free" meant vs "free" :) 00.00.45 # ah :) 00.00.49 # maybe right after double left could go to the next album rather than a random (in case you screw up by going back) 00.00.59 # rocko - rockbox uses rockbox to play mp3 00.01.02 # stripwax: I had a hard time believing you wouldn't know it 00.01.12 # that would make it the most intuitive 00.01.17 # gstreamer codecs 00.01.21 # at least in my mind :) 00.01.22 # Nico_P - :) 00.01.29 # rocko_: no gstreamer at all is involved 00.01.32 # rocko_: I have no idea why you're jumping to that conclusion. 00.01.45 # rocko - take a look at the source code for rockbox to find out what it uses 00.01.54 # for mp3, it uses libmad 00.02.42 # why the hell do we need to use gstreamer? There's more decoders than that 00.03.02 # because you said that rockbox is completely free as in freedom and not free beer 00.03.04 # for vorbis, there is tremor around -- released by the guys who created vorbis. 00.03.16 # rocko - it is 00.03.16 # rocko_: free doesn't imply gstreamer... 00.03.25 # * bluebrother feels an "it's illegal" argument coming up 00.03.26 # rocko_: sure, but there is more free software around than just gstreamer... 00.03.27 # rockbox is 'free' to do what it likes 00.03.42 # rocko - please google for libmad and tremor 00.03.54 # * MarcGuay thinks rocco_ has been here before and is looking for a place on the GoldenQuotes page. 00.03.54 # well if you guys use non free codecs then it would make rockbox non free in the guideslines of free software 00.04.04 # rocko_: we don't 00.04.05 # foundation 00.04.07 # we *dont* use non free codec 00.04.08 # we use free source 00.04.18 # rocko - *please* google libmad and tremor 00.04.19 # ... 00.04.23 # rocko_: please define a "free" codec. 00.04.45 # quote: "gstreamer is a multimedia framework with the type system based on GObject".. blah 00.04.48 # free codec meaning that the source code is released 00.04.51 # it is 00.04.56 # libmad is open source, as is tremor 00.05.00 # and all of the other codecs we use 00.05.07 # well, is the source of Rockbox codecs released or not? 00.05.13 # rocko_: rockbox is 100% free software, free source, free as in gratis, and libre and open source. And free. 00.05.18 # it doesn't matter what it's based on -- the code is available 00.05.21 # stripwax: Don't be stupid - gstreamer is the only project that has ever released source code :) 00.05.34 # * stripwax slaps forehead - oh yeah! I remember now! 00.05.38 # lol 00.05.56 # their is a difference between open source and free software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html 00.06.00 # rocko - do you have much experience of free/open source software? 00.06.02 # Yes, and? 00.06.08 # free codec meaning that the source code is released 00.06.10 # rocko_: get real, rockbox is both free software and open source 00.06.17 # Which many more than gstreamer have done 00.06.22 # this almost smells like a troll... 00.06.30 # or an idiot 00.06.30 # rocko - rockbox is *covered by* the GNU license! do some research please 00.06.32 # big-time troll 00.06.40 # * bluebrother goes for popcorn and waits for the "illegal" claim 00.06.43 # BigBambi: what? you mean those aren't the same things? 00.07.03 # ;) 00.07.12 # k4y: :) one is both, the other is just itself 00.07.16 # rocko - but before this gets too heated, I'm wondering if you had a question you wanted to ask about rockbox 00.07.35 # BigBambi: and figuring out which is which is left as an exercise to the reader :) 00.07.41 # indeed so 00.08.01 # well that is for rockbox source code not for all the other stuff rockbox uses 00.08.08 # wrong 00.08.13 # Everything we use has to be GPL compatible 00.08.18 # Or we couldn't use it 00.08.35 # I know but it still can contain non free software 00.08.40 # how? 00.08.40 # rocko_: no 00.08.41 # No, it can't. 00.08.44 # rocko_: we happen to know a wee bit about how open source and free software work 00.08.48 # rocko_: what is "the other stuff"? 00.09.05 # rocko_: Our core binary is GPLv2 or later, thus any linked code (which is all off it) must be of a compatible license. 00.09.14 # We don't use binary codecs. 00.09.54 # rocko - did you have a real question you wanted to ask about rockbox, or just open source development in general? It sounds like you need to do some more research about what rockbox is and isn't first, but we can point you in the right direction 00.09.57 # I have no questions about rockbox 00.10.10 # Then this is probably not the right place to be ... 00.10.11 # You should do, as you clearly don't know enough bout it 00.10.40 # well I know how to use it 00.11.01 # sooo ... no Rockbox related question? Then it's off topic 00.11.03 # all I was asking is if it following under the guidelines of fsf 00.11.10 # That obviosuly hasn't translated into knowing anything about it 00.11.21 # rocko_: No, you were telling us it doesn't 00.11.21 # rocko_: we don't follow FSF at all, we adhere to GPLv2 00.11.47 # rocko_: I'm still waiting for you to tell us we're doing illegal things 00.12.00 # * goffa wonders where he should propose his random folder advance behavior ideas (other than here) 00.12.02 # besides I'm waiting for the claim to be gstreamer-based 00.12.03 # rocko - assuming you are interested, feel free to browse the freely-available open source code that makes up the rockbox operating system and all of its codecs and plugins at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk 00.12.31 # goffa: The "Feature Ideas" subforum is a good place to get feedback 00.12.54 # ok.. i'll head there 00.12.57 # fsf is for gpl 00.13.08 # haha 00.13.12 # FSF != GNU 00.13.13 # rocko - I think your level of knowledge might be outnumbered here.. 00.13.15 # what does that even mean? 00.13.26 # this rocko_ guy is amusing, we should have him here more often ;-) 00.13.27 # I know 00.13.29 # I'm for more beer in this channel 00.13.30 Quit ender` (" If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning, sleep late.") 00.13.30 # * stripwax wonders if knowledge can be numbered 00.13.43 # well Bagder: rocko_: we don't follow FSF at all, we adhere to GPLv2 00.13.44 # stripwax: as in days? :) 00.13.45 # someone take good care of our channel troll :) 00.13.50 # rocko_: exactly 00.13.51 # rocko_: Unfortunately, it's not our place to attempt to educate you on licenses. Rockbox is licensed under "GPLv2 or later" and that includes all of its codecs and plugins. 00.13.51 # * petur distributes some beers 00.13.59 # cheers! 00.14.02 # BigBambi - yeah, that'll do :) 00.14.09 # petur: many thanks :) 00.14.13 # rocko_: Really, that's the key: All code compiled into Rockbox falls under this license. 00.14.35 # stripwax: of course it can. All knowledge is expressable in some language, all languages are expressable in symbols, and all symbol sets can be enumerated. Therefore, all knowledge can be enumerated, or numbered 00.14.49 # so no body knows if it falls under the guidelines of fsf I know it is under gpl 00.14.59 # what does that mean? 00.15.09 # falls under the guidelines? 00.15.16 # Rockbox is not a GNU project. But it doesn't need to 00.15.30 # fsf guidelines for free software 00.15.40 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 00.15.40 # rocko_: what on earth is your goal? 00.15.40 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.41 # gevaerts - ha, nice. except all nonsense can be enumerated at the same time, and you haven't provided a countable rule for separating the two :) 00.15.46 # Don't the FSF guidelines apply to licenses? 00.15.47 # I'm hugely confused 00.15.56 # what more guidelines would we need than being GPLv2 and entirely free? 00.16.01 # rocko_: the fsf wrote the gpl, so if the gpl doesn't follow their guidelines, that's their problem 00.16.19 # stripwax: possibly, but you didn't ask that ;) 00.16.20 # rocko_: you need to get the licence form first. Otherwise we can't answer you that question. 00.16.33 # you need it filled, stamped three times and signed. 00.17.00 # rocko - **please** with two stars, read and understand the significance of what being covered by a GPL license means 00.17.17 # besides, while some codecs use an fft we only need to adhere to the rules of an fft. Not the fsf 00.17.18 # ok so this conversation is over since no one knows have a nice day and great job on making rockbox guys:-D 00.17.29 # rocko - everyone knows, unfortunately 00.17.32 # rocko_: remember the fft! 00.17.36 # stripwax: almost everyone 00.17.40 # rocko - see you around! 00.17.41 # and sometimes also the ifft! 00.17.48 # one knows? 00.17.50 # I know he makes no sense, if that helps 00.17.51 # (even more important!) 00.17.51 # no one even 00.17.55 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.17.59 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-26-249.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.17.59 # troll... 00.18.05 # BigBambi: do we make sense? ;-) 00.18.09 # 7 00.18.09 # Our software meets all four Freedoms they list on their site. I'd say we meet their guidelines just fine. 00.18.16 # bluebrother: Of course! 00.18.21 # 42! 00.18.47 # ok cool Llorean thats what I wanted to know 00.18.51 # our software is even compatible to FAT! 00.18.58 # btw, FSF has no such guidelines 00.19.09 # rocko_: are you compatible to FAT? Or fft? 00.19.12 # at least not that google can point out 00.19.14 # or even fsf? 00.19.22 # rocko_: You might be interested to know that if a software is GPL licensed, it must meet those as the GPLv2 enforces those very freedoms. 00.19.25 # probably LGPL 00.19.45 # bluebrother: wouldn't he need to be periodic to be compatible w/ FFT? 00.19.49 # we could window him :P 00.19.50 # Bagder: I can only assume: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html 00.19.58 # MU{lappy} - I hope he isn't periodic :) 00.20.06 # MU{lappy}: hopefully not ;-) 00.20.10 # Llorean: yes I guess so 00.20.15 # but, thinking of his base frequency ... 00.20.27 # I was just going to post that Llorean 00.20.28 # but even MIT licensed code meets those definitions 00.20.35 # when does GSoC start? 00.20.41 # ages ago 00.20.42 # it already did 00.20.46 # oh okay 00.20.48 # k4y: We're at the midterm now. 00.20.56 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 00.21.21 # so are there some GSoC volunteers working on rockbox at the moment then? 00.21.23 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.21.27 # well other licenses that are open source can also include non free software like that of mozilla license 00.21.39 # k4y: volunteers generally don't get paid :) 00.21.40 # rocko_: yes, but we said 22 times that we are GPLv2 00.21.42 # but, rockbox is covered by GPLv2, so .. 00.21.43 # rocko_: We didn't say we were using other licenses. 00.21.54 # indeed, they include Gecko, which is free 00.21.58 # k4y: But yes, there are some students 00.22.02 # BigBambi: good point 00.22.15 # BigBambi: i'm not sure what to call them GSoCers 00.22.21 # I think we have 4 student this year 00.22.25 # oops, missed some punctuation 00.22.33 # Students generally 00.22.34 # firefox is not completely free software http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ 00.22.38 Quit linuxstb (Connection timed out) 00.22.40 # How is that relevent 00.22.52 # rocko_: ROCKBOX USES GPL V2 OR LATER 00.22.57 # * stripwax ignores rocko 00.22.57 # yes, the logo is incompatible with Debians licensing-thingy. 00.23.02 # but so is their own logo 00.23.09 # linux kernel is gpl and it can have non free software 00.23.24 # rocko_: And the non-free software *isn't* the linux kernel. 00.23.27 # * Bagder gives in 00.23.29 # rocko_: linux, firefox, and _you_ are off-topic here 00.23.33 # rocko_: read Llorean's previous answer 00.23.56 # what's the advantage of implementing MTP support in Rockbox? 00.24.03 # rocko_: rocko_: Our core binary is GPLv2 or later, thus any linked code (which is all off it) must be of a compatible license. We don't use binary codecs. 00.24.14 # or rather, what are some of the advantages of MTP over MSC? 00.24.17 # k4y: being able to use mtp? 00.24.21 # wow, multiple quotes on irc ... 00.24.26 # k4y: forget it, you won't get on-topic conversation here any time soon unfortunately 00.24.31 # k4y: I don't see any 00.24.45 # * gevaerts sees one :) 00.24.46 # k4y: Personally, I can't see any ;) 00.24.50 # gevaerts: hopefully trollo_ will leave soon 00.24.52 # k4y: MTP offers some functionality (additional metadata with transferred songs, I believe) that might allow easier use for some users. 00.25.08 # The net benefit is very debatable. 00.25.18 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.25.23 # Llorean: aha, and no need to scan db afterwards 00.25.24 # okay, that's what i thought; just wanted to check that i wasn't completely wrong 00.25.27 # k4y: mtp allows the device to remain functional while files are being transfered (but I don't know if anyone actually does that) 00.25.34 # Llorean: am i wrong in saying that mtp has no subdirectory support? 00.25.40 # on the order of 1E-10Hz would be acceptable to me ;P 00.25.51 # wow, i wish one of the GSoC students were doing work on a Sansa Fuze port ;) 00.26.06 # gevaerts: functional? as in still usable as a media player? 00.26.11 # preglow: AFAIK it uses a hierarchical tree, which can be mapped to subdirectories 00.26.15 # k4y: yes 00.26.18 # gevaerts: ahh 00.26.26 # well I hope no hard feeling of any kind well I didn't mean for it to get heated or any thing like that just wanted to know thats all 00.26.33 # gevaerts: oh, i didn't know that. i've never seen a device that does that 00.26.39 # preglow: Was gonna say, in using different MTP devices I'm pretty sure I've seen them put files on the player in different "real" layouts 00.27.02 # * bluebrother looks at the heat in the channel 00.27.22 # beast OF doesn't use "real" directories,although i imagine real directories could be mapped to MTP folders easily enough 00.27.28 # * stripwax still isn't sure what rocko actually wanted to know 00.27.37 # k4y: if we ever do MTP, we will support that 00.27.56 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.29.02 # stripwax: I wanted to know it rockbox adheres to the 4 freedoms of gnu fsf http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html 00.29.26 # rocko_: how about reading them yourself? 00.29.57 # it's a simple question 00.30.08 # rocko - next time, please make it more clear what it is you want to know, and take our word for it when we give you an answer in the affirmative :) 00.30.09 # seriously, do we care about being compilant to ABC, XAG, FDW, HDQ, LPQ or even HWAQ? 00.30.26 # * bluebrother steals stripwax a smiley 00.30.34 # rocko_: we also gave you simple answers, which you didn't (want to?) understand. Therefore we very much doubt if you understand the question 00.31.13 # * bluebrother doubts rocko_ understands these explanations 00.32.20 # well look at the amount of distros supported by gnu as adhering to the 4 freedoms as you can see most distros include non free software http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions 00.32.45 # We aren't a linux distro..... 00.32.49 # rocko_: again, what do linux distributions have to do with rockbox? 00.32.55 # Or anything to do with linux 00.33.06 # rocko_: You know Rockbox is not based on linux right? 00.33.17 # rocko_: stop it. Now. 00.33.35 # I know but does rockbox adhere to them I know rockbox is not linux based 00.33.46 # rocko_: stop it. Now. 00.34.04 Join jon-kha [0] (i=jon-kha@kahvi.eu.org) 00.34.26 # rocko_: Yes, as you have been told at least 40 times. You don't seem to understand why, but never mind. All done now 00.34.48 # rocko_: Rockbox does not include _any_ other software. It is JUST Rockbox. And Rockbox is GPLv2 licensed. Linux "distros" contain a lot of other programs, which is why things work different for them. Rockbox is _one_ program with _one_ license covering the entirety of everything in the program. 00.35.15 # what about the codecs it uses 00.35.21 # They're part of the program 00.35.31 # and the programs it comes with 00.35.36 # It doesn't come with programs 00.35.49 # like the text editor 00.35.54 # That's a plugin, it's part of Rockbox 00.36.01 # ok 00.37.05 # rocko - you can answer all of your own questions by going to the link I posted earlier in this conversation. all of the source code, and all of the license information, is there for your viewing pleasure. 00.38.05 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.38.12 # i'm guessing that enlightenment is not rocko_'s primary goal here 00.39.00 # * bluebrother wonders if rocko_ wants to get most annoying person in this channel 00.39.44 # that text editor is killer I really like it I can read project gutenberg ebooks on it plus it starts where I left off when I view the file again 00.40.50 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 00.41.55 # sorry bluebrother 00.42.15 # what do you mean by enlightenment k4y? 00.42.29 Quit obo ("bye") 00.42.49 # wow... rocko's still here 00.42.54 # like buddism enlightment 00.42.58 # arguing on the internet comes to mind... 00.43.02 # yes, like that 00.43.11 # Let's try to stay on topic more now please 00.43.22 # ok will do 00.43.43 # * stripwax wonders 'now, where was I..?' 00.44.10 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.44.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.45.09 # well k4y I do meditate once in a while and do lucid dreams sometimes 00.45.17 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 00.45.21 # that doesn't seem very on topic 00.45.44 # i know about you talked about enlightenment 00.45.45 # rocko_: on topic. Saying you will stay on topic then saying that next line.... 00.46.17 # rocko - please remember that this channel is logged, and people come to search the irc logs looking for information about rockbox 00.46.41 # ok I know any one can logged this channel too 00.47.43 # rocko - no, I mean we have archives of everything said by everyone in this channel, so staying on topic means those logs remain useful to others 00.47.58 # ok 00.48.39 # rocko_: remember: as this channel is logged people can search the archives and re-read your rather useful questions 00.48.45 # * bluebrother turns of sarcasm mode 00.49.17 Nick cg_ is now known as cg (n=cromos@88.193.143.80) 00.49.17 # so how is rockbox coming along with getting it to work on the latest ipods? 00.49.19 # is "open()" for files dircache-safe ? 00.49.36 # man apple is really gay doing that encryption crap 00.49.46 # rocko - no-one is doing any such work, as far as I know 00.49.52 # rocko_: For the very last time, stop it 00.50.05 # stop what 00.50.10 # I am on topic 00.50.12 # rockbox 00.50.14 # rocko_> man apple is really gay doing that encryption crap 00.50.25 # That is not helpful, or what we want here 00.50.27 # someone pleeease summon chanserv 00.50.32 # well that is why rockbox has that problem 00.50.45 # wikipedia said so 00.51.00 # or, if yuo are Apple, that is how Apple keep users locked into iTunes 00.51.04 # if you have to explain how you're on-topic... you probably are not. 00.51.12 # rockbox has no problem whatsoever with the ipods having encrypted firmware 00.51.37 # then why can't it work on the latest ipods 00.52.10 # * MarcGuay yawns. 00.52.11 # There are thousands of players around. Rockbox runs on about 30 of them. One or two more or less are _not_ a problem 00.52.14 Join dataangel [0] (n=prophet@146.113.65.157) 00.52.33 # Work on Rockbox for the iPod nano (second but not third), iPod Touch, and the iPod Classic has not begun due to firmware encryption that Apple places on all new iPods 00.52.44 # * stripwax actually listens to the test_codec track for the very first time .. what on earth is this?! 00.53.09 # from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox 00.53.22 # rocko - yes, rockbox does not run on those, and nobody is working on making it work on those 00.53.23 # rocko_: we know that. No need to repeat it 00.53.35 # "we" don't have a problem with it not working on those 00.53.36 # please stop pasting the obvious 00.53.38 # Believe it or not, you don't need to repeat the wikipedia entry to the people who wrote it 00.53.51 # The software that is, not the article 00.54.13 # I stated that because of (05:51:12 PM) gevaerts: rockbox has no problem whatsoever with the ipods having encrypted firmware 00.54.26 # You now need to read his next line 00.54.26 # rocko - please read my immediately previous reply 00.54.27 # When I plug my 8GB microSD card into my sansa e200, the file viewer only shows the folders on the card. Do I have to get something special to show my files or is it a bug? 00.55.24 # I read that stripwax 00.55.38 # dataangel: What is Show files set to? What did you copy on it? How did you copy them on? 00.55.39 # dataangel: you may be in "show playlists only" modeby accident. Look in Settings->General Settings->File View->Show Files 00.56.12 # rocko - so, you understand that it doesn't work, and nobody is working on fixing that, and that we don't mind that nobody is working on fixing that? 00.56.18 # ok thanks for your answers every body 00.56.28 # I used a card reader and my pc, copied over an mp3 to the root folder (in case it wasn't looking in subfolders) and also a few folders full of mp3s 00.56.33 # lemme check setting... 00.57.07 # oh pfft that was it 00.57.31 Quit jhulst (No route to host) 00.58.30 # thanks 00.58.45 # No problem. Have fun listening 01.00.04 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@dsl-202-45-112-116-static.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.02.27 # Does anyone have a good tip for switching between a "test"/profiling build on-device and a "actually want to use" build on device? Other than unzipping the particular rockbox.zip onto the device each time. Do we support multiple .rockbox folders in any way? 01.03.06 # You could rename them on the device (not really that easy...) 01.03.23 # ROLO 9depending on device) 01.03.31 # easy on beast! go go bootloader MSC 01.03.36 # s/9/(/ 01.03.58 # ROLO supports more than just rockbox.xxxx swapping (e.g. plugins too?) 01.04.00 # MU{lappy}: but bootloader != build, and you still need a PC 01.04.12 # stripwax: Ah, a complete build 01.04.16 # Renaming while connected is easy. It's without connecting that's tricky 01.04.27 # stripwax: No, in that case I don't think so 01.04.45 # * gevaerts waits for safetydan's lua plugin. That one should make this easy 01.04.59 Quit vort3x ("Leaving") 01.05.07 # Didn't think so, but thought I'd check, ta 01.05.10 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 01.06.48 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 01.09.18 Quit stoffel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.12.48 # Lambdacalculus (for the logs): http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9165, if you've got a minute. 01.14.01 # rockbox rules 01.16.25 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.23.29 Join ComradeHaz [0] (i=Haz@85.234.136.4) 01.29.51 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.43.18 Join dave36 [0] (n=rocko@c-67-167-121-188.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.43.44 # I am a big fan of RUN DMC 01.44.04 # so you guys n ladies really like the song rockbox huh 01.44.18 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hRqN0h9Y8 01.44.47 Part dave36 01.45.58 Quit rocko_ ("Leaving.") 01.50.45 Quit Shaid ("*toink*") 01.56.12 Join adude [0] (n=shawn@72.25.32.200.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 01.57.03 # Anyone have any tips for finding the key to a .mi4 file to decrypt it? 01.57.18 Part pixelma 01.58.35 # I have a firmware that I *can* decrypt using a default key that's in mi4code. But a later version of the firmware doesn't decrypt with the same key. 01.58.52 # I've tried looking for the key for the later version somewhere in the decrypted version, but I've only come up empty 02.00.11 # shadoxx: Do you have the matching bootloader for that mi4 file? 02.00.40 # IIRC, mi4code can scan a bootloader to look for the key. 02.00.43 # No. :( I've been trying to find it, but I keep coming up empty. I can't figure out a way to get to the flash on this MP3 player 02.01.04 # and from what I can tell, Samsung was really good about keeping their bootloaders secret 02.01.18 # I can't even figure out how to *flash* the bootloader on this thing. 02.01.43 # What hardware is in your player? 02.02.14 # It's a Samsung YH-820, PP5020 02.02.23 # hard disk, or flash? 02.02.36 # hard disk, with a 4MB flash chip on the PCB 02.02.44 # I think that's where the bootloader is stored 02.03.35 # I've tried booting it without the harddrive, but that only makes it come up with the error, "Could not initialize hard disk. Shutting down." 02.03.58 # Then the existing hard disk (ATA) driver in Rockbox for the PP5020 is likely to work. You can then dump parts of memory (the flash will almost certainly be mapped to address 0x0) to disk.) 02.04.31 # There are a bunch of testpoints on the PCB, but I couldn't even begin to know which ones I should short. 02.04.33 # And hmm 02.05.15 # Do you know how the firmware upgrade works? Is there some kind of recovery mode which would allow you to run test code? 02.05.19 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 02.05.41 # Another thing I'm trying to figure out. It seems to update the firmware, there are two .mi4 files you put in /SYSTEM 02.05.55 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 02.06.24 # What does it mean when objdump reports a function in the ".iram" section, rather than say ".icode"? 02.06.28 # the one you find on the samsung website (FW_820.mi4) and their MTP update (YH820_J.mi4) 02.06.53 # along with some the font file in /System/Font 02.07.19 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.07.25 # shadoxx: Do the files get deleted after you copy them to the device? 02.07.56 # FW_820.mi4 does once you turn it on after putting them in /SYSTEM and deleting everything else 02.08.06 # which leaves the 'Janus' firmware 02.08.22 # The one which enables the player with DRM, for subscription services 02.08.24 # And are you sure the flash is 4MB (i.e. megabytes) and not 4Mbit (megabits - i.e. 512KB) ? 02.08.42 # yeah, nvm. it's mbit 02.08.44 # Access time: 70ns; 4M-bit (512K x 8/256K x 16) CMOS single voltage 3V only flash memory Operational temperature range from -40°C to 85°C. 02.08.56 # Info on the flash chip 02.09.04 # And I'm guessing the .mi4 file is larger than that? 02.09.26 # much. the FW_820.mi4 file is around 2MB. the YH820_J.mi4 file is around 4 02.09.44 # OK, so they must be being copied to a hidden part of the hard disk... 02.10.01 # hmm 02.10.20 # I'll /dev/sda1 to a file, and do some poking 02.10.27 # i'll cat /dev/sda1 * 02.10.36 # There's no /dev/sda2 ? 02.10.37 # rather, /dev/sda 02.10.57 # nope 02.11.41 # It's possible (the Sansa E2x0R models do this) that that part of the disk isn't made visible over USB. The only way to access it would be to remove the disk from your player and hook it up to a computer 02.12.45 # haha. Only problem is the connector. I'd have to find a connector to fit it 02.13.45 # I'm thinking if I figured out the testpoints, I might be able to put it into debug mode. 02.14.06 # There's an email in the decoded FW_820.mi4 file. I should send him a line. haha 02.14.31 # along with what looks like an extention to his desk 02.14.38 # ;) 02.14.40 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.08 # shadoxx: But anyway, if you haven't done so already, you may want to start a thread in the "New Ports" Rockbox forum - other people may have some ideas, and it could attract other YH820 owners. 02.16.31 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.51 Quit dataangel (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.04 # I think I'll do that. Looks like a few other people have inquired about this player, and I'm the first one to actually crack it open and have at it. 02.17.21 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.19.38 # Also, did I mention I have little to no experience coding in C? This should be interesting. 02.20.48 # Rockbox is a fun way to learn C... 02.20.51 # * linuxstb sleeps 02.24.08 # Finally got the profile_reader working properly with my arm profile output. Some bugs in the perl. Will upload a patch tomorrow but not sure how to detect the 'right' objdump to use for a given target : perl just calls "objdump" but I need "arm-elf-objdump". Any way I can detect that from the build directory, or just have a mapping for each target? 02.24.31 # by "the perl" I mean tools/profile_reader/profile_reader.pl 02.25.13 Quit mcuelenaere ("Zzzzzz") 02.26.28 Join atrus [0] (n=atrus@S0106001ee57a9819.ed.shawcable.net) 02.31.01 Quit shadoxx (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.47 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 02.40.35 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 02.44.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.46.00 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 02.46.50 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.46.52 Quit daurnimas (Excess Flood) 02.47.22 Join daurnimas [0] (n=daurn@b27C.adsl.ecomtel.com.au) 02.58.00 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 02.58.52 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 03.00.12 Join ivor [0] (n=i@c-75-72-187-145.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.03.59 # Hello, can anyone refer me to a WPS that uses the conditional viewport tags (%Vl, %Vd) 03.05.42 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 03.10.56 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.16.49 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.27 Quit nicktastic (Remote closed the connection) 03.18.44 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.10 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.22.11 Quit adude ("Leaving.") 03.25.34 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.35.17 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.51.24 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.51.41 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-242-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.58.35 Join troy__ [0] (n=toppy@89.243.176.3) 03.59.48 # * JdGordon slaps MarcGuay 03.59.56 # something cant be new and improved! 04.02.13 # * MarcGuay is rudely awakened. 04.02.34 # It's both, I'm that amazing. 04.02.44 # :) 04.03.51 # It's an improvement on nothing. 04.04.03 # * MarcGuay is grasping at logical straws. 04.04.21 # im all for commitiing it btw 04.04.44 # so i'm missing what's new and improved 04.04.48 # i must have missed some stuff 04.05.45 # JdGordon: Did you give it a test run or just look over the code? 04.05.54 # just looked at it 04.06.03 # goffa_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9165 04.06.07 # I dont tihnk there are many ipod recerders and it looks ok 04.06.26 # JdGordon: You want to do the manual update? :) 04.06.26 # but posting on the ml/forums about it before comimting is a good idea 04.06.33 # ah.. doesn't affect me 04.06.44 # :D 04.07.06 # down to 2 breeds, iaudio and gigabeat 04.07.38 # I'm off again tomorrow so I'll ask around before committing it and work on the manual in the interrum. 04.09.28 # JdGordon: There was talk earlier about the way random folder goes random backwards, and how http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9152 might be caused by that short-long dir in gwps.c. 04.10.00 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 04.10.01 # Although I couldn't see how it behaves any differently from the combo press - they both simply call the same function. 04.11.05 # hmm... I can guess why... 04.11.18 # ill have a looky 04.11.27 # but first.. breaky time 04.12.47 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.13.06 Join sambolina3 [0] (n=48417d5a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-040cdd0f0141ed79) 04.17.50 Quit sambolina3 (Client Quit) 04.24.58 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.39.01 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 04.41.13 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6244.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.42.35 Quit FOAD (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.44.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.45.50 # something is not right with the build servers :( 04.51.10 Quit ivor ("Leaving") 04.51.17 # Buschel: I've ran the last test and got very weird results: the total runtime doesn't change (it actually shortens by a few seconds) when I used 128kbps mp3 instead of 192 kbps mp3. 04.51.57 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.52.37 # JdGordon: so.. you think you know what's wrong with the short long/right? 04.52.56 # short/long left, combo left, and combo right all behave 04.53.22 # i have an idea 04.53.26 # its just the short/long right that screws up 04.53.26 # could be very wrong though 04.53.30 # i was in here earlier 04.53.41 # * JdGordon thought it was short/long left that was broekn 04.54.37 # well.. depends on your deffinition of broken :) 04.56.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.41 # short/long left goes to a random dir 04.56.45 # but there is no issue with sound 04.56.53 # to me i think it should go to prev 04.57.06 # hmm.. yeah its a bug for nico... playback probably gets stuck because audio_next() is called before the dir change 04.57.22 # I saw your forum thread on that and disagree 04.57.52 # any reason why? 04.58.15 # because if random is enabled then going forward or backwards shold still be random 04.59.22 # well to me that is redundant 05.01.11 # only thing i wonder about the proposed change is this: how far back could you go? and how much would that tax the system 05.01.54 # to me back should be back no matter what.. should just be a degree of how far back do you want to go (left, or combo) 05.02.18 # but.. i will say.. that is working 100% from an audio playback standpoint 05.03.28 # i know rockbox isn't a lemming... but all other players go back to where they came from in random :) 05.03.43 # even rockbox's random allows you to go back if you're in a playlist 05.06.15 # well... the previous directory _could_ be stored.. but beyond that it would have to be scanned for which means it wontr happen 05.06.34 # yeah 05.06.43 # well 1 dir would be sufficient anyway 05.06.52 # then its inconsistant 05.07.28 # the only reason i'd go back is because i accidentally went forward 05.07.41 # and don't want to access the file browser to go to the previous directory 05.07.49 # assuming i kept track of what it was 05.07.55 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 05.08.01 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.08.22 # like i heard a song i wanted to hear, but didn't know who it was by.. and advanced to fast :) 05.08.37 # yeah, that can be annoying 05.08.42 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 05.09.35 # that does pose a problem with my double left too.. i'm assuming 05.10.01 # but that could just load prev dir 05.14.43 # i mean double left from the 1st track in the dir too 05.23.14 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 05.23.34 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 05.30.20 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.34.08 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 05.35.16 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.38.08 Join stimulus [0] (n=chatzill@209-6-87-107.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) 05.39.27 # I want to close http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8394 as there's no way that title has been true for this long without a torrent of users looking for support. 05.41.21 Part stimulus 05.43.09 # yeah, I saw that one yesterday and wanted to close it also 05.43.33 # also, I'm thinking he is usang an old bootloader... 05.43.44 # since when has the ipod loader said version 2.0? 05.44.56 # JdGordon: No idea about the version number. Close it and request a re-open if it's still happening? 05.45.06 # yeah 05.48.50 # MarcGuay: that runtime task is debatable weayther it should have been closed... each target needs to be calibrated individually... 05.50.31 # JdGordon: My bad, then. I read the "h300" too quickly. Should have stayed with my first instinct from a few months ago. 05.50.41 # leave it closed 05.52.34 # JdGordon: Too late. 05.52.40 # Flyspray spam is tasty. 05.52.42 # close it :D 05.54.11 # out of 18000 emails in my gmail account.... 8200 are FS... ! 05.54.12 # Any X5 owners want to confirm/deny this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6590 please? 05.54.42 # Some of my best friends are spammers? 05.55.11 # lol..i don't know if i dare upgrade the firmware 05.55.40 # that'd mean plugging the machine into a filthy windows box if it doesn't work 05.56.07 # let me go grab the x5 05.56.57 # goffa_: You are a hero. 50 virgins and a bag of chips await you in the afterlife. 05.57.16 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 05.57.27 # why are they virgins? 05.59.16 # gevearts: for the logs , reading about the issue with the gigabeat S not playing nice with mac osx, it works fine on my mac, osx 10.5.3 . It will show two separate drives with the same name. 06.01.43 # Gigabeat F users, show some love: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7184 06.02.09 Join troy___ [0] (n=toppy@89.243.152.249) 06.07.46 # Didn't the H10 battery get an overhaul recently as part of the PP power-saving deal? Is this still relavent? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6552 06.16.54 Join troy____ [0] (n=toppy@78.146.83.201) 06.17.37 # i have always had terrible battery life with my h10, even after the 1700mAh battery swap 06.18.48 Quit troy__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.21.49 # delorean90: Does that have anything to do with that FS entry or is it just a fact of life? 06.22.58 # goffa_: Do you feel you've tested enough to close it? 06.23.35 # It sucks when the original reporters disappear, but what can you do... 06.27.54 # MarcGuay: i think so 06.28.10 # hooked it up to 3 boxes 06.28.19 # unfortunately they are all running the same distro 06.28.33 # so i can't give a wide range of data as to which machines are affected 06.28.49 # goffa_: Excellent, thanks... Is it the same one that Rani mentions in the last comment? 06.29.04 # nope 06.29.06 # archlinux 06.29.22 # 2.6.25 06.30.01 # Mind leaving a comment on the task before I close it? 06.30.16 # sure 06.31.08 # slapped something quick and dirty up there 06.34.37 Quit troy___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.35.04 Quit Zarggg () 06.35.14 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 06.36.30 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.37.25 Quit delorean90 () 06.38.31 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@d188176.adsl.hansenet.de) 06.38.39 Quit AndyI () 06.44.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.55.45 Quit _vertic23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.55.46 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 07.09.39 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.14.22 Join simonrvn_ [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.17.58 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 07.24.42 Nick simonrvn_ is now known as simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.27.05 # wpyh: Does Bubbles on the ipod use the wheel to move the aimer left and right? 07.28.12 # MarcGuay:yes 07.28.13 # Looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8950 if you're wondering why i'm asking you seemingly random questions. 07.28.36 # MarcGuay: I think that's the first question you asked me ;) 07.28.50 # uh, that bug 07.28.54 # it's a menu bug 07.29.00 # And the directions are fine in the game, just backwards in the menu level selection? 07.29.04 # yes 07.29.16 # IIRC this was discussed a while a go 07.29.18 # *ago 07.29.29 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 07.29.30 # the problem is that Bubbles uses the pluginlib 07.29.41 # which doesn't expose the buttons but instead provide actions 07.30.04 # and IIRC as well, there is a discussion about using a new system for input for plugins in the devcon 07.30.09 # According to the code only the e200 is defined to use the wheel. 07.31.41 # you mean the Bubbles code? 07.32.14 # Yep. #if CONFIG_KEYPAD != SANSA_E200_PAD 07.33.02 # hm... 07.33.19 # * wpyh has played through all 100 levels on his nano, using the wheel 07.33.41 # But there are several instances of PLA_LEFT/RIGHT in pluginactions... It's hard to know which ones are being used at what time... 07.35.08 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 07.35.08 # nano has this:#define CONFIG_KEYPAD IPOD_4G_PAD 07.35.25 # This can't be worth the headache... :) For another day. Thanks for the input, have a good night.. 07.35.45 # it's noon over here ;) 07.36.47 # hm... yeah, reading the source code, this plugin uses the rewind/forward buttons to control the aimer 07.37.02 # but I think we should revamp the whole interface (using the menu based interface) 07.37.14 # I was looking into that code when I realized that we also need a generic text viewer 07.37.20 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]") 07.41.40 # wpyh: You mean for help texts? 07.42.23 # yes, for help texts 07.42.41 # There is a minimalistic one in solitaire. Maybe that's sufficient 07.42.58 # It does word wrap and hard line breaks 07.43.49 # yes, I looked at that one before 07.44.03 # however, it seems that it needs two steps 07.44.13 # one step for "init" and another step for showing 07.44.52 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 07.47.09 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.47.58 Quit pabs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.50.55 # is that a problem though? 07.51.06 # wpyh: Yes it does. This way the formatting only has to be done once 07.52.56 # yeah, but it's a bit weird:p 07.53.05 # guess I'd have to get used to it... 07.53.35 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@ip68-98-178-202.dc.dc.cox.net) 07.53.36 # * wpyh is not used to programming daps... 07.53.54 # The code was written this way in order to be small, simple and fast 07.54.20 # It's a bit nasty because it modifies the string in-place, hence it can't be 'const' 07.54.50 # But it doesn't need additional storage, and text length is only limited by available (plugin) ram, both in size and in number of lines 07.56.56 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180068157.adsl.alicedsl.de) 07.57.03 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.57.38 # is the whole plugin lib linked in every .rock? or just the barts oof the lib that is used? 08.02.11 Quit BigBambi (Remote closed the connection) 08.02.39 # amiconn: yeah 08.02.43 # it seems good 08.02.59 # (from an embedded device's point of view) 08.05.08 Quit sarixe ("Were you expecting something more witty than this?") 08.08.34 Quit blithe ("leaving") 08.09.56 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 08.20.30 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.20.55 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.23.45 # morning B4gder, something went funny with the builds again... took over an hour to finish 08.26.08 # ouch 08.26.27 # * GodEater crosses his fingers that it wasn't his fault 08.27.38 # though from looking at the logs, I can't tell *what* the problem was 08.28.14 # the build system doesn't keep the logs from the previous failed attempt so I can't really tell now either 08.28.19 # ah 08.28.43 # * GodEater hopes his server will get a bit faster, ccache should be filling up nicely now 08.28.48 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 08.30.15 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.30.49 # How can I get rockbox to remember playback position in sansa c250 after I pause the song and listen to another song before coming back to the previous song? 08.31.02 # bookmark 08.31.21 # not if its a db playlist though 08.31.40 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 08.32.26 # a true 08.34.26 # what I have are 30 ~50 minute audio files from lit2go. Can I have rockbox remember the playback position on each of the songs (I might need to listen to something else, or turn off the device between two sessions of listening)? 08.34.44 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE0D9.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.35.05 # multiple bookmarks 08.35.58 # thanks let me see in the manual ... 08.44.10 Quit shodanX (Remote closed the connection) 08.44.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.46.42 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.49.16 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 08.49.46 # could someone walk me through installing rockbox in automated mode in sansa c250? 08.50.41 # download rbutil 08.50.45 # click install 08.50.49 # kushal_12_27_200: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicalInstall 08.51.12 # B4gder: can that page get linked from the front page? 08.51.27 # I think it should, yes 08.51.34 # "install" or something like that 08.53.08 # i downloaded it, mounted the disk image, plugged in my sansa, and double clicked the rqbuild file. nothing happened 08.53.23 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.53.31 # I mean rbutilqt 08.53.50 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.54.06 # kushal_12_27_200: on osx? 08.54.17 # yes JdGordon 08.54.51 # I have had a failed installation attempt before 08.54.57 # hmm... thats not good 08.55.05 # rbutil wouldnt open at all? 08.55.06 # that Maurus is on fire! 08.55.23 # mighty rocking mips work 08.55.44 # it won't open at all 08.56.09 # how big is the .dmg? 08.56.30 # 11.9 mb 08.57.00 # on intel or ppc? 08.57.02 # the app is 27.4 mb (Intel) 08.58.29 # I am on an Intel macbook 08.59.05 # JdGordon: I think we've had reports that the current RBUtil doesn't work on all versions of OSX 08.59.24 # mine is 10.4.11 08.59.30 # whatever that means 08.59.37 # * GodEater knows nothing about OSX really 08.59.50 # sounds like it isnt being built statically.... works fine on my box.. but thats also the one it was built on 08.59.52 # which is sort of the problem, none of the developers here use it 09.00.36 # * JdGordon would like to setup osx in a vm 09.01.57 # JdGordon, are you on leopard? 09.02.02 # yes 09.02.43 # rbutilqt opens fine? 09.03.07 # http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/macosx/rbutilqt-v1.0.6.dmg 09.03.21 # yes, but like I said.. this is the mac that it was built on.. 09.03.36 # if its not being fully compiled statically for some reason, any missing libs will be available 09.03.49 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.03.53 # hmm 09.04.59 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.05.17 # kushal_12_27_200: tried the 1.0.5 version? 09.05.29 # not yet, do you want me to do it? 09.05.33 # just replace the 6 with a 5 in the url 09.05.47 # it'd be interesting, that was built somewhat differently 09.06.16 # * B4gder does a little rockboxdev.sh build of mipsel-elf in the background ... 09.06.21 # its only 5.4 mb big 09.06.25 # yes 09.07.07 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 09.07.58 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.08.05 # working ... 09.08.22 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.08.44 # It does not open either ... 09.08.49 # :-/ 09.09.54 # I know 1.0.3 opens but that was a long time ago 09.10.12 # http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/macosx/ 09.11.37 # JdGordon, do you think its not opening because I have Tiger or because there might be some libraries missing? 09.12.21 # im not sure... 09.15.03 # do we have the same issues reported for windows and linux? 09.16.46 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645e8d1-CM0012c9ab589a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 09.16.48 # i have a weird ipod problem: rockbox will install and boot ok, but the OF never will--i get a continuous boot even after doing 'restore' in itunes 09.18.44 # for what it's worth, rbutil 1.0.6 from download.rockbox.org is working fine on my mac. Intel Macbook 10.4.11 09.19.05 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE20C8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.20.10 # thanks midgey 09.21.02 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.21.55 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.23.20 # midgey: do you have the qt libs isntalled? 09.25.00 Join shodanX [0] (n=shodanX@jazz.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) 09.25.37 # JdGordon: i think I may have set them up a while back. Is there a quick way to tell? 09.25.49 # no idea 09.25.56 # i tihnk you can find it under frameworks somewhere in system info? 09.26.04 # 'which qmake' yields /usr/local/trolltech/qt-4.3.0/bin/qmake 09.26.56 # that would imply you have them installed :) 09.27.08 # In System Profiler > Frameworks I have QTKit listed 09.28.37 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 09.29.09 # err, QTKit is for quicktime 09.30.53 # * midgey sleeps 09.31.02 Quit midgey () 09.32.49 Join lolmaus [0] (i=lolmaus@83.167.114.28) 09.41.40 # kushel left :( 09.45.39 # Bagder: You could change the individual letter for m68k to 'c' (coldfire), and then use 'm' for mips 09.45.50 # * JdGordon guesses the problem with rbuitlqt 09.46.07 # And the wording for 'all' is a bit weird now: 'all three' ;) 09.46.19 # amiconn: i just didn't want to modify any of the existing ones 09.46.33 # but if the mips stuff works I guess I'll poke on it again 09.53.44 # ok, im 99% sure the rbutil problem is its not statically linking libusb... but i dont know how to fix that 09.54.28 Join bertrik [0] (n=5a80bda4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-092bdaa9ec108ca7) 09.55.15 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a8ed8ee2edc6bd75) 10.04.29 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.11.03 # * JdGordon just cant win with the talking clock 10.11.09 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 10.14.07 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 10.14.58 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.17.03 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 10.17.18 Quit pabs (Nick collision from services.) 10.17.30 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 10.18.25 Part simonrvn ("Thanks, and Take Care") 10.21.16 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 10.22.06 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.23.17 # homielowe: thanks. Good to know. Now I just have to find a volunteer with 10.4 and a GBS to try 10.23.38 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.23.49 Join cg_ [0] (n=cromos@dsl-olubrasgw1-ff8fc100-80.dhcp.inet.fi) 10.23.49 Quit cg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.26.20 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 10.28.57 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 10.28.57 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 10.28.57 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 10.29.10 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.29.39 # JdGordon: ping 10.29.58 Join dany_21a [0] (n=dan@84.119.0.126) 10.34.55 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.38.17 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-47dce89bfc30cde1) 10.39.41 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.42.31 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aaf1643ba3cb09d6) 10.43.11 # what does the anti-skip buffer setting change? the size of the PCM buffer? 10.44.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.46.38 # I've long wondered.... 10.53.43 # it just changes the margin to when it starts filling up again 10.54.10 # at least it does in hwcodec 10.57.08 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-188-122.psoas.suomi.net) 10.57.52 # pondlife: pong 10.59.12 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.02.09 # JdGordon: Not a biggie, but wondered if you were planning more work on the voiced time in the info screen. 11.02.32 # Currently I get the worst of both worlds - the time doesn't update visually, and only speaks after a long delay. 11.02.46 # I mean, it only updates visually when I move the cursor bar 11.03.00 # (This is on a sim, fwiw.) 11.05.56 # This also happens with or without voicing enabled. 11.06.15 # I can attack it if you're not already on it. 11.07.31 # * pondlife continues to talk to himself... 11.08.55 # sortry... one min 11.10.42 # No worries 11.11.49 # ok... 11.12.11 # yeah, I just cant win with that screen 11.12.28 # can we rip the time/date out of that and make a new screen for it and the alaram/shutdown timers? 11.12.29 # On another topic, to any WPS experts, I'm not able to get a default bitmap to "fill in" my progress bar now. 11.12.47 # I'm using %pb|-|10|4|218|-| 11.13.19 # I guess I should pop my entire WPS and its bitmaps up somewhere though 11.14.04 # whats it doing? 11.14.29 # and what "default bitmap"? 11.14.46 # Displaying the WPS ok, but no progress bar is being drawn - only the "empty" bitmap I have defined 11.14.57 # So I see an empty progressbar all the time. 11.15.25 # It used to supply a solid bar, but I don't know if I need to put a bmp in for that now. 11.15.43 # - for the bitmap should show the old bar 11.15.55 # its not showing anything? 11.16.00 # No 11.16.26 # I'll xip up the WPS 11.16.29 # zip, even 11.18.13 # http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/wps.zip 11.19.15 # which sim? 11.20.02 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 11.21.22 # H300 11.23.26 # is that 4 correct for y? 11.23.39 # It was before 11.23.49 # I just inserted some | and - chars 11.24.10 # before when? 11.24.19 # Before %pb was changed 11.24.34 # the meaning of the params changed 11.24.38 # Ah, ok 11.24.42 # |bmp|x|y|width|height 11.24.50 # What was it before then? 11.25.00 # top|left|right|height i tihnk 11.25.33 # top = y and left = x ? 11.25.39 # yes 11.25.58 # the y-position must have been one of the later parameters 11.26.53 # x and y are in pixels? 11.26.55 # %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| from an old revision of CustoWPS 11.27.04 # *CustomWPS 11.27.36 # pondlife: yes 11.29.19 # %pb|-|4|100|214|10| is what you want 11.30.15 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.30.37 # Not %pb|-|4|-|214|10| ? 11.30.42 # I thought replacing the 100 with - should put it on the right line as it was before if you didn't specify the "toppos" 11.31.43 # Great, %pb|-|4|-|214|10| works 11.31.51 # Thanks 11.32.09 # using the number is more likely not not break if the font changes 11.34.14 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-164-057.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 11.35.37 # pondlife: im actually a little surprised that works (having the pb overwrite the bmp) but its nice that it does 11.35.56 # It's a long-established technique ;) 11.36.16 # oh ok.. then its nice to see it still working :P 11.38.10 # JdGordon: regarding the "not breaking" depends on what you want - stating the number could break it too if you use a different font height because font could overlapp progress bar then 11.39.17 # Another catch-up question - how's the smooth seeking meant to work? I find it slows down as it goes on, which is the opposite of what I'd want. 11.39.20 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 11.39.47 # i.e. it seeks fast to start with, then slower 11.40.59 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.42.41 # doesnt it only starts slowing down when it gets near the end of the track?? 11.43.16 # Maybe, but if you rewind from the end to the start of the track it's rather slower than it used to be 11.43.24 # (even with settings on max) 11.44.11 # Maybe the setting is the problem... I'll try turning it down! 11.45.23 # Nope, that just makes it slow all the way 11.46.09 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 11.52.45 Join petur2 [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.53.02 Quit homielowe () 11.55.04 # OK, popped a report on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9168 - maybe markun could explain what I've got wrong... 11.55.27 # * amiconn compared smooth seeking and the old one at devcon 11.55.37 # What did you find? 11.55.52 # Smooth seeking was significantly faster than the old one for very long files, and about the same for shorter ones 11.55.54 # I'm only going on gut reaction, having just updated my sim, so not very scientific. 11.56.09 Join petur3 [0] (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 11.56.17 # I've only tried short files, and it definitely seems slower 11.56.18 # I did this on hwcodec and swcodec 11.56.31 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 11.56.33 # Only tried on H300 sim so far, I have no working target at the moment. 11.56.35 Nick petur3 is now known as petur (n=petur@ip-212-239-214-166.dsl-static.scarlet.be) 11.56.50 # Suffering from mass Li-Ion failure :/ 11.57.36 Join Guest [0] (n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-099-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.58.02 Nick Guest is now known as Guest24416 (n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-099-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.58.03 # I don't want it to slow down at all, just always accelerate 11.58.12 Join alleyoopster [0] (n=dan@64.183.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) 11.58.43 # It does slow down towards the end of the track. That's nothing new 11.59.01 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3062.gwdg.de) 11.59.11 # Maybe the slowing down is just more pronounced now, so it feels slower even though it's not. 11.59.43 # It's very obvious when rewinding too though. 12.00.18 # Maybe the sim is different. On target it's definitely not any slower 12.00.49 # Well, I have got a new H300 battery, so should be able to test this afternoon. 12.03.02 # pondlife: I didn't change anything to the 'slowdown' code at the end of the track, or are you not talking about that 12.03.18 # Is the slowdown deliberate? 12.03.32 # If so, maybe it's too slow... 12.03.32 Join Tuplanolla [0] (n=jani@unaffiliated/tuplanolla) 12.03.54 # I should do a comparison on target. 12.04.13 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.05.44 # pondlife: the slow down was there before my change and is indeed deliberate 12.05.56 Part Guest24416 ("I'm not here right now.") 12.06.02 # but maybe it should start slowing down later or allow for a higher max speed 12.06.18 # I can't check the code right now. 12.06.18 # OK, maybe it's just that the smooth seek is faster so it makes the slowdown feel slower 12.06.29 # Bagder: will the build servers be expected to have the mips compilers on them now too ? 12.06.48 # I'd prefer it not to slowdown at track transitions at all, I think... will play. 12.06.49 # pondlife: do you like the smooth seeking otherwise? 12.06.53 # Yes 12.07.34 # I tend to have books broken up into lots of shorter tracks, for historical reasons. 12.08.20 # (Hence continuing acceleration across tracks would be nice if possible.) 12.09.47 # pondlife: I think that should be an option :) 12.10.01 # (if implemented) 12.10.08 # Of course 12.13.50 Quit petur2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.14.32 # pondlife: btw, it's the max_step variable in apps/gui/gwps-common.c which controls the slowdown 12.14.41 # Thanks 12.18.36 # Nico_P: afaik the anti skip buffer setting determines how early rebuffering happens when the buffer for compressed audio gets low. 12.21.34 Join MTee [0] (n=mt@41.233.155.217) 12.25.47 Quit UncleRem1s (Remote closed the connection) 12.25.58 Join UncleRemus [0] (n=caj@78-69-154-184-no176.tbcn.telia.com) 12.36.16 # GodEater: no, since there's no build table build actually using mips yet 12.38.36 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 12.44.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.49.04 Quit lolmaus () 12.51.58 Quit alleyoopster (Remote closed the connection) 13.00.31 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) 13.02.41 Join alleyoopster [0] (n=dan@64.183.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) 13.03.30 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 13.04.56 Join stimulus [0] (n=d106576b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9d79cbdef332eadd) 13.05.35 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.09.21 Quit stimulus (Client Quit) 13.19.18 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.96.211.90) 13.21.10 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.28.05 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.30.28 Nick Lear is now known as Lear_ (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 13.37.31 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-212-149.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 13.42.36 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.43.18 # amiconn: I noticed your nice commit to the bitmap drawing functions and have a couple of questions: 1) Do you now have some kind of "test_bitmap" plugin? 2) Did you benchmark the ARM optimisations enabled for the gigabeat in lcd_bitmap_transparent_part? 13.45.02 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9f6db421c0562bce) 13.45.46 # JdGordon: Ping 13.49.20 # Or can someone take a look at some WPS tags for me? http://pastebin.com/m6a284d42 13.49.47 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 13.49.51 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE0013464a03d5-CM00111ae6c2c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 13.50.06 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.50.35 # LambdaCalculus37: took a look. What am I supposed to see? ;) 13.51.01 # pixelma: What tags need fixing to comply with the new WPS syntax? 13.51.04 # 1) yes 2) no 13.53.07 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 13.54.05 # LambdaCalculus37: most likely candidate: the two %pb tags - there should only be one now and you also have to check the used parameters (also see today's log 11:something) 13.55.36 # btw, I suggested Rockbox as suitable topic for a future "FLOSS Weekly" show 13.56.44 # B4gder: last time I tried the rockboxdev.sh for compiling the mipsel cc it gave me nothing but errors, let's hope your version works :) 13.57.04 # mcuelenaere: I built one successfully before I committed it 13.57.10 # k 13.57.17 # so I hope it works 13.57.23 # What? You test before you commit? 13.57.46 # when I want to show-off ;-) 13.58.02 # * gevaerts is shocked 13.58.46 # I suppose that's GCC v4.0.3 which rockboxdev compiles? 13.59.00 # yes it is 13.59.14 # we can of course change that if we want a newer one for mips 13.59.50 # but I bet the MIPS development in gcc isn't racing these days 13.59.51 # that's not necessary I think, it's just that I'll set the right version in tools/configure 14.00.03 # the one I have is GCCv4.2 14.00.16 # so no big difference I presume 14.00.58 # * LambdaCalculus37 yawns 14.01.13 # Too early in the morning to be fixing WPS tags... 14.01.17 # * mcuelenaere wonders whether rockboxdev.sh should state mipsel instead of mips in the choice screen 14.01.50 # mcuelenaere: if 4.0.3 works fine I think we can run wit that for now, for consistency 14.01.59 # and yes, it should say mipsel I guess 14.02.08 # k 14.02.17 # we also talked about switching the coldfire to use c and let mips use m 14.02.30 # yes I saw that 14.02.43 # to me, it doesn't matter; so do as you please :) 14.03.28 # I'm mostly intersted in getting to know that it builds a toolchain that works for you :-) 14.03.58 # well, currently it's building :) 14.04.19 # I remember mine was stuck at GCC itself, so it got past binutils 14.04.48 # LambdaCalculus37: in one of JdGordon's wps patch tasks there was also a script that should fix old WPSs for the new syntax. You could try that but if you want that revert the first %pb (the one with the bitmap name) to %P 14.05.57 # pixelma: Which patch task is that? 14.07.11 # FS#9027 14.07.15 # * mcuelenaere wonders what he did wrong last time; B4gder's mipsel cc builds fine 14.07.33 # * B4gder used his secret super-powers 14.07.49 # pixelma: Thanks; checking it out now. 14.08.08 # * gevaerts points out that while it builds fine, it may not actually generate mips binaries 14.08.16 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@AToulouse-157-1-115-140.w86-221.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.08.33 # * mcuelenaere points out it doesn't have to generate mips binaries, as long as it does mipsel it's fine for him 14.08.36 # you think my powers have glitches? ;-) 14.08.45 # haha 14.08.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 can't seem to bring up FS#9027 in Flyspray 14.09.10 # * gevaerts doesn't care about endianness naming things 14.09.27 # Ahh... got it now. 14.11.10 # * mcuelenaere wonders whether there's a difference between elf32-littlemips and elf32-tradlittlemips 14.13.10 # "ld terminated with signal 11 (Segmentation fault)" 14.13.55 # * gevaerts looks at B4gder 14.14.18 # that's not gcc ;-P 14.14.21 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.196) 14.14.54 # mcuelenaere: annoying... 14.15.10 # probably we should try a more recent binutils then 14.15.17 # what version did you use before? 14.15.32 # B4gder: it occurs whenever I add *(.sbss*); to boot.lds 14.15.45 # but if I don't, it complains about missing .sbss.line regions 14.15.51 # GCC4.2 14.15.58 # ah binutils 14.16.13 # "ld --version" 14.16.31 # or mipsel-elf-ld rather 14.16.33 # 2.18.0.20080103 14.16.39 # mipsel-linux-ld --help 14.16.55 # ah right, linux... 14.16.57 # mipsel-elf-ld --help: 2.16.1 14.17.08 # so -elf is your version, -linux is the one I got from emdebian 14.17.13 # yes 14.17.23 # (actually it's -gnu but I symlinked -linux to -gnu) 14.17.50 # pixelma: My WPS is fixed now. Thanks again! :) 14.18.33 # B4gder: if I try with mipsel-linux-ld it gives me a segfault too 14.18.46 # ah no srry 14.19.26 Part toffe82 14.20.07 # does make cache Makefile's? 14.20.58 # no 14.21.34 # but the root Makefile contains info about the toolchain it uses 14.21.44 # hmm mipsel-linux-ld gives me a segfault too.. 14.22.01 # oh 14.22.18 Join kawds [0] (n=kawds@static-87-79-236-141.netcologne.de) 14.22.45 # or I don't know who it is, mipsel-linux-gcc calls mipsel-linux-ld; right? 14.22.53 # yes 14.23.04 # ok then both gives segfaults 14.24.38 # yep, double checked 14.26.34 Quit freqmod_qu (Remote closed the connection) 14.27.02 # * mcuelenaere wonders whether the configuration error at RBUtil first startup shouldn't be a configuration warning or something else more user-friendly 14.27.22 # * gevaerts points mcuelenaere at the svn version 14.27.36 # :-) 14.28.02 # gevaerts: was there a change? because I only looked at GraphicalInstall and m1.0.6 14.28.12 # mcuelenaere: yes. Last night 14.29.10 # gevaerts: ah ok, so that's what you changed :) I only skimmed through the SVN log but didn't really try to understand what I was reading I presume :) 14.29.46 # mcuelenaere: yes. I made the mistake to complain about it here :) 14.31.14 Join ali_as_ [0] (n=ali_as@ambix.plus.com) 14.31.37 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.31.39 # then I really wasn't paying attention yesterday :) (too busy with new MIPSel targets ;) ) 14.31.41 # a quick wizard could be nice 14.32.02 Join UncleRem1s [0] (n=caj@78-69-154-184-no176.tbcn.telia.com) 14.33.19 Quit kawds ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 14.35.15 # what's bad about using the newest version of GCC for cross compilers? e.g. 4.3 14.35.56 Join kawds [0] (n=kawds@static-87-79-236-141.netcologne.de) 14.35.56 # traditionally all new version bumps have caused minor hiccups we've needed to address 14.36.16 # but there's nothing in particular that must go wrong 14.36.36 # ok then I'll start with 4.1 14.37.18 # * gevaerts warns Nico_P about that sort of comments. It can lead to work 14.38.18 # * mcuelenaere changes his mind, let's see what version Ingenic recommends 14.39.42 # either 3.3.1 or 4.1.2 14.39.54 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 14.40.14 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-acf1a6752476765c) 14.40.21 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.180.113) 14.40.37 # mcuelenaere: Sometimes (read: not unlikely) newer versions produce slower and/or broken code, at least for the 3 architectures we're using for a while. And SH needs a special patch that needs to be ported 14.41.39 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 14.41.43 # from what I see not only SH needs a patch 14.42.00 # no, there's a few different patches needed 14.42.25 Join Synthpop [0] (n=Synthpop@c213-100-135-215.swipnet.se) 14.42.45 # but we can always just start with letting mips use the particular version you deem the one to use 14.42.53 # Question can i disable refresh database on sansa c250 firmware? 14.42.55 # s/mips/mipsel ;-) 14.42.58 # :) 14.43.05 # gevaerts: hehe, I guess you speak from experience ;) 14.43.27 # for that, I first need to learn a bit of UNIX Shell 14.43.27 # Nico_P: it happened to me not very long ago :) 14.43.34 Quit ali_as (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.44.12 Quit UncleRemus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.44.22 # is there a sleeptimer in rockbox? i can not find it 14.44.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.44.38 # kawds: what target ? 14.44.46 # ipod nano 1gen 14.45.14 # mcuelenaere: just add binutils="2.18" and gccver="4.1.2" before the "target=mipsel-elf" line 14.45.44 # then it'll only use them for that particualr choice 14.45.50 # kawds: should be in the system entry of the main menu. 14.45.51 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b77a3887bab32d0) 14.46.01 # will check asap 14.46.21 # B4gder: ah yes, of course :) stupid me 14.46.31 # found it, thx 14.46.35 # I get a 9mb of DBSPACE.BIN on my sansa c250 i have database refresh off on rockbox , still it refreshes database everytime i unplug the charger 14.46.36 # I was going to do some if (string == "mips") checking 14.48.42 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A7D01.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.49.32 # i run c250 EUROPE (No FM) - 01.01.00e for Europe without FM with rockbox. 14.50.27 # Synthpop: the auto-update of Rockbox database has nothing to do with the original firmware's. Unfortunately I don't know of a way to suppress it completely unless you compile your own build with the experimental Rockbox USB stack enabled (which can have drawbacks too). But if you don't care that the original firmware doesn't find music files you can at least shorten this update 14.52.27 # how i do that? 14.53.05 # i mean make files undetectable to original firmware 14.53.14 # Synthpop: i think there is a way to supress the database update by write protecting some files, i don't know which, though. maybe you find something in the forums. 14.53.26 # oh ok 14.53.56 # i was thinking overloading my player 14.54.03 # would help 14.54.29 # Synthpop: set the SYSTEM directory to read only, the OF will start the update, find that it can not write to this directory and complains about "not enough space for the music db" or something like that and stop there 14.55.15 # this recipe is in the forums too where I found it 14.56.50 # yay, played doom 14.56.54 # :-D 14.56.59 # it refreshes anyway 14.57.00 # but can not quit 14.57.19 Join webguest02 [0] (n=7cbe4346@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-97c1689acfaa821e) 14.57.50 # how can i quit doom= :-O 14.58.03 # kawds: the manual should have that info 14.58.17 # off course X-) 14.59.51 # hi, i have been away from rockbox for about 4 years and I am having problems using it now... 15.00.12 # webguest02: a lot has changed in 4 years.. 15.00.28 # 4 years! 15.00.54 # yes B4gder, I remember you.. I really want to know what version I should use that is stable enough for my archos V1R? 15.01.28 # you should know that when you ask us here we'll say the latest build... 15.02.40 # you may laugh, but I had to go back to a daily 20030406 to get it to work how I'm used to! 15.03.41 # What!? Why deny yourself all of the good stuff Rockbox has gained in the last four years? 15.03.45 # well, I don't even remember that long back ;-) 15.04.09 # Then I'm pretty sure that there will be some changes for you to get used to by now 15.05.43 # yeah I know there has been so much done since the early days, I even had to re-check that i was actually running rockbox when i first put the new version on it. 15.05.52 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-007.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.08.22 # * gevaerts wonders if he should tell webguest02 that rockbox now also supports non-archos players ;) 15.08.23 Quit kawds ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 15.08.53 # * LambdaCalculus37 thinks we should tell webguest02 about all of the new compatible players ;) 15.09.27 # yeah I saw that gevaerts, but i still can't bring myself to buy an ipod, they go against everything i beleive in! 15.09.52 # is there any non ipod device that i should get? 15.09.58 # webguest02: Gigabeat! 15.10.42 # iriver H100 or H300! 15.10.54 # iAudio X5, M5, or M3! 15.11.26 # I thought i'd be opening a can of worms with that question... i have been using a nokia 6120 with 8gb card for mp3 duties lately, but i need more space. 15.11.28 # hehe thanx guys 15.11.41 # not enough space please free memory :D 15.11.51 # no more Refresh database =) 15.12.01 # webguest02: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide 15.12.24 # wow, documentation, things hreally have moved on!!! 15.12.30 # ;) 15.12.52 # webguest02: We told you so. ;) 15.15.28 # LambdaCalculus3: since you brought it up, does a gigabeat have a 2.5" or 1.8" hdd? 15.15.44 # 1.8" hard drive. 15.15.52 # webguest02: Only the Archos devices have 2.5" drives (out of supported Rockbox devices) 15.16.52 # mcuelenaere: your MIPS based player doesn't have any other processor/DSP right? 15.17.09 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.17.14 # whats the biggest 1.8" hdd available these days? 15.17.15 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.17.17 # 240MHz mips should be enough for Rockbox I'd think ;-) 15.17.47 # webguest02: that's a complicated question to answer, since they come with multiple interfaces, not all of which are possible to use in current Rockbox targets 15.18.02 # markun: it does have some kind of multimedia acceleration, but AFAIK those are just extra instructions 15.18.03 # webguest02: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=HardDriveReplacement 15.18.30 # webguest02: afaik, 160GB 15.19.27 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.19.44 # B4gder: up to 360Mhz even ;) 15.20.16 # right, I noticed there are two kinds 15.21.21 # i'm almost speachless about the excellent info you guys have in the wiki. 15.22.02 # almost but not quite :) 15.22.53 # I will be now - im gonna go read some more now, thanks for all the help. bye. 15.24.29 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.25.48 # markun: the Jz4740 does have a coprocessor, the IPU which seems to be some kind of YUV->RGB convertor and other stuff 15.25.48 Quit webguest02 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.26.50 Quit Genre9mp3 () 15.29.09 # well, let's hope we get some use for the AS3517 data sheet now too 15.29.42 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.30.05 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.32.12 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.10) 15.32.45 Part B4gder 15.35.27 Join webguest84 [0] (n=7cbe4346@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6a1147de7cb3ca5d) 15.36.21 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.101) 15.39.36 # guys, im back again with my v1r, the latest build just aint working for me... 15.39.52 # In what way? 15.40.21 # Do you get the start menu displayed? 15.41.10 # oh ive just worked it out, now i knoow what "repeat a-b" does - doh 15.43.25 Nick Lear_ is now known as Lear (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 15.43.25 # GodEater: I'm assuming you still haven't investigated optimised video playback in Linux on the PS3? 15.43.32 # oops... 15.43.59 # !one more thing... is the a/c plug icon missing now? 15.44.52 # where? Do you mean in the while playing screen? 15.44.56 # none of our targets has airconditioning... 15.45.07 # pixelma: yeah 15.45.22 # petur: Would be nice if they did. ;) 15.45.45 # LambdaCalculus37: Well there's an idea for a patch... ;) 15.45.58 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 15.46.02 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d95b-CM0011aea49e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 15.46.02 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 15.46.12 # pondlife: Along with the coffee plugin and beer plugin? ;) 15.46.32 # Beer, yes. Not sure about coffee though. 15.46.56 # webguest84: hrmm... I thought it should work in the new default theme but had no means to test. You could try other themes/WPSs, e.g. the "rockbox default" which shows the text based one with the statusbar enabled if you didn't turn it off globally. 15.48.03 # doesn't the battery icon at the bottom change if you plug in the charger? 15.48.49 # in the new default WPS (the graphical one) I mean 15.49.21 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.35 # pixelma: im having hardware issues with my plug i think, it is very intermittant - and mostly not working, so it is hard to test just now. 15.50.18 # markun: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9169 gives an option to NOT limit seek speed. I like it (on sim at least). 15.51.11 # Oops, I accidentally capitalised some other english.lang stuff in there, will tidy up... 15.51.37 # pixelma: ok yeah, the battery symbol changes - when it temporarily made contact. thanks for the help. 15.52.13 # hmm, ok. Thanks for testing it too. :) 15.52.24 Join bertrik [0] (n=5a80bda4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-907e10248fc121e5) 15.53.11 # Do we normally capitalise all settings? e.g. "Disable Resume On Startup If Phones Unplugged" rather than "Disable resume on startup if phones unplugged" ... 15.54.39 # webguest84: I _think_ I read somewhere (forums, wiki or here) about bad solder points (especially battery contacts) being typical on the RecordersV1. Can't tell you more unfortunately. 15.55.26 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.55.42 # pixelma: thanks, i think i have narrowed it down to the cable rather than the plug, thankfully. 15.56.05 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 15.58.46 # rockbox is so cool, i love havng my v1r still perfectly usable (with 100gb hdd installed) even after what... 6 years of use! 15.59.22 # Also, still gaining new features after 6 years is pretty cool ;) 16.00.49 # We all need to thank archos for making such pathetic stock firmware, otherwise rockbox may never have happened. 16.01.09 Quit desowin (Excess Flood) 16.01.13 # True, but there have been worse stock firmwares since 16.01.30 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 16.02.40 # and depressingly I suspect there's still worse to come 16.03.07 # are you sure pondlife, the stock archos didn't even acutally work for more than 2-3 songs without crashing. and you could forget about using playlists bigger than 10 songs too! 16.03.32 # Yes, I had a V1R for many years...! 16.03.36 # * gevaerts doesn't find that depressing. The worst the OFs are, the more people who want to fix things by working on rockbox 16.03.47 # I rue the day I sold it now.. 16.03.51 # s/t/e/ in the right place... 16.05.16 # pondlife: how long did it take you to find rockbox after getting your stock v1r? it took me 3 days - and then only because i had to wait the weekend to go to work and look on the internet! 16.05.43 # I actually bought my Recorder because of Rockbox - a friend already had it. 16.05.52 # So, I never used the OF much 16.06.12 # 3 days was way to long to use it! 16.06.17 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.09.29 Quit MTee (Client Quit) 16.09.47 # I bought mine especially for Rockbox. 16.10.12 # But I'm a bit of a latecomer with the Archos. ;) 16.13.39 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.14.27 # how much is a v1r worth these days, i bet it aint anywhere near the 280 quid i forked out. 16.14.46 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1aa6152de567c9c2) 16.15.20 # Mine was under $20 USD. 16.16.16 # * linuxstb can't remember how much he paid, but suspects it was close to 280 GBP... 16.16.49 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-80.vif.net) 16.17.33 Join hd_ [0] (n=hd_@253.176.233.220.exetel.com.au) 16.18.23 # LambdaCalculus37: Got your laptop today? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9165 16.21.27 # MarcGuay: Yep. Will test. 16.23.18 # MarcGuay: Were we standardising on all settings text being capitalised? 16.24.18 # pondlife: There was a task for it and most were changed to that format. I noticed on the h300 that some are still using "sentence" style... 16.24.39 # OK, I'll carry on in that direction then 16.25.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9169 contains some (somewhat accidentally) 16.27.34 # * JdGordon thinks MarcGuay should stop setting "version 3.0" unless he plans to sart fixing them :p 16.27.45 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC") 16.28.20 # JdGordon: I'll fix them if you provide the manual .diffs 16.28.32 # touche' ! 16.30.37 # JdGordon: Just following on Llorean's suggestion. I have a feeling he'll end up being the release coordinator whether he likes it or not. 16.31.15 # what was his suggestion? 16.32.01 # pixelma: (or someone with a c200)... is 9018 still/really an issue? 16.32.06 # JdGordon: Mark things that you think are important to a release as 3.0 and we'll pare the list down when it comes time. 16.33.09 # yeah, ok, thats fair enough 16.33.18 # I was just making a bad joke re more FS spam 16.33.30 # JdGordon: Tasty. 16.36.45 # JdGordon: yes, happens to me too that the OF doesn't detect the USB connection if I insert USB and forgot to take out the card before but I don't think that Rockbox can do much about it. I suspect that it is a timing problem in the OF (which becomes more noticable with the "additional" Rockbox bootloader) because this also happens to me sometimes without the card when connecting to an old laptop with USB1.1 ports 16.37.20 # MarcGuay: Re your Data Abort bug (FS#9153) - could you try Lear's buffering patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9164 ... 16.37.40 # does replugging the usb connector make it connect? that happens on the e200 sometimes also 16.38.05 # pondlife: It'll take a few days to say if it's working, but yes, I'll give it a go. 16.38.12 # Sounds very similar 16.38.22 # JdGordon: not a real issue to me - because you can take the card out before or just replug (OF already started) and some people don't have that problem at all 16.38.29 # so yes 16.38.54 # ok then 16.44.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.45.05 # JdGordon: I haven't had any issues with my c240 regarding FS#9018. 16.46.45 # Nico_P: Could I close http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8102 (audio glitch at beginning of new playlist) - it's not been happening for me for a long time now. 16.46.58 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.48.38 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-214-118.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.48.42 # pondlife: you used to be able to reproduce? 16.49.01 # Not sure, but I used to get a glitch at start of playback sometimes 16.49.15 # It's not happened for months now though 16.49.34 # Just wondered if you still had an issue 16.50.08 # I only got it when I tried, and I didn't try very often... I've never even tried on the ipod 16.50.12 # let me check 16.55.24 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.59.40 # pondlife: I do use dircache and album art - that definitely sounds like the same thing. 17.02.00 # pondlife: I couldn't reproduce the glitch on the ipod 17.02.08 # MarcGuay: Can you relatively easily re-produce it? I can do it sometimes with certain tracks... If you can, I have another patch that might help (without any extra mutex locking). 17.02.16 # maybe it still exists on the gigabeat, but I don't have mine 17.02.20 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A42E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.02.21 # Nico_P: Feel free to close the bug then..? 17.02.43 # pondlife: I'm hesitant 17.03.08 # Lear: I could never find a way to reproduce it, unfortunately. The only way to test is to use it regularly for a few days. 17.04.01 # Nico_P: You can always reopen it... 17.04.51 # MarcGuay: Still, sounds like it happens more often than for me. :) 17.05.19 # pondlife: you're right 17.05.33 # Lear, MarcGuay: If you're both running the patch, we'll get a more solid idea of fixiness... 17.08.25 # Lear: what's the current state of your patch? no more mutex calls? 17.09.42 # Lear: Could it have something to do with the size of the files (I experience it mostly with FLAC), or the size of the album art (mine is quite large)? 17.10.43 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 17.12.35 Join freqmod_qu [0] (n=quassel@2001:700:300:1800:213:d3ff:fee9:5ed0) 17.13.30 # MarcGuay: I've seen it with Vorbis and 120x120 album art. My guess is that it is timing sensitive somehow, but I don't know what that timing affects... 17.16.07 # Lear: It definitely occurs when play is pressed during or immediately after the splash screen. 17.17.05 # What if you set the start screen to be the WPS? 17.17.23 # MarcGuay: Hm, that could be worth trying... 17.17.54 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4BCB1.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.17.59 # Anyone know where RBUtil gets the wordlist from when it creates a voice file? 17.18.40 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 17.21.37 # wordlist? 17.25.03 # Anyone with an iPod care to test the most benign patch ever? http://pastebin.com/d19af04e3, It should fix http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8950. 17.25.57 # pondlife, Lear: Try as I might I can't find a recipe for the data aborts. 17.26.16 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 17.26.22 # please, no messing with PLA :\ 17.27.01 # pixelma: Sorry? 17.28.04 # The PLA was already in there... :/ 17.28.13 # your patch, exceptions here and there 17.28.49 # Is pluginactions outdated? 17.29.49 # on DevCon it was agreed on that if a plugin doesn't work correctly with pluginlib actions, then it should rather use normal button defines again to make it work correctly. The problem with pluginlib actions is that it introduces hidden dependencies 17.30.34 # It's the first time I've stuck my head into the plugins. So you're saying a larger rework of the buttons is needed, not just a fix of what's already there? 17.30.49 # or use the "actions" system (not pluginlib actions) but define its own, not in a library 17.33.08 # pixelma: Could you point me to an example of the right way? 17.33.23 # MarcGuay: I wouldn't be surprised if your patch breaks something else or on another target, e.g did you try on e200 and Ipods (even in a sim), are you sure that "PLA_DOWN" etc. is the same on all scrollwheel targets? 17.34.19 # pixelma: Tested on the e200 and always forget the sims. I did check as much as possible, which I why I coded it that way. 17.35.22 # pixelma: See line 99 of pluginlibactions 17.36.18 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.36.45 # Unfortunately if you look at line 2290 of bubbles.c, an exeption is made for the e200 which makes the whole thing rather messy. 17.37.02 Quit hd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.37.43 Join hd_ [0] (n=hd_@253.176.233.220.exetel.com.au) 17.38.01 # That's why a lot of people don't like this PLA thing 17.38.13 # gevaerts: It's pretty dirty. 17.38.24 # bubbles was the first plugin to be _converted_ to pluginlib actions and if that doesn't work without exceptions... 17.38.39 # Good concept but clearly it's failing... 17.40.28 Nick MarcGuay is now known as MarcGone (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-80.vif.net) 17.41.11 Nick MarcGone is now known as MarcGuayAway (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-80.vif.net) 17.52.02 Quit hd_ ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") 17.55.56 Nick MarcGuayAway is now known as MarcGuay (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-80.vif.net) 17.56.43 # pondlife, Lear: So if I were to test a patch for the data aborts would the one posted at FS#9164 be the one to go with? 17.57.03 # Lear will know... 17.58.49 Quit petur ("work->home") 17.59.00 # Bagder, B4gder: GCC4.1.2 doesn't compile for me, so for the moment I'm going to stick with the binaries of emdebian 17.59.19 # MarcGuay: Yes, I guess so. Though Nico_P doesn't think that much locking is needed... I don't have anything better for now (thought I had, but...). 18.00.12 # Lear: Would it make sense to wait given that I'll have to use it for a few days before knowing anything? 18.00.22 Join doldi [0] (n=5b13a1b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e35e1536999d595) 18.02.10 # testing? 18.02.21 # Hi@all 18.02.29 # some people here? 18.02.49 # doldi: 138 of us. Ask away. 18.02.57 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 18.03.01 # MarcGuay: I'd say go ahead and test if you want. I don't know when (or if) I'll come up with anything better. It's tricky when you don't really know what the problem is. :) 18.03.14 # Hi Mark 18.03.18 # Lear: But the results would still be useful? 18.03.31 Quit markun (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.03.35 # i have Problems with current build for archos Player 18.03.46 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 18.03.55 # doldi: i still dont see a question/problem... 18.04.09 # What is the exact problem you're having with your Archos? 18.04.13 # if i put in the charger ther is Panic ata11 on display 18.04.14 # MarcGuay: Yes, it would say something. 18.04.40 # with build 2.5.1 they will work perfect 18.04.59 # doldi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7960 18.05.15 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.05.16 # I'm reworking 6 Players here in Germany - flashing no prob - but whats that? 18.05.31 # * MarcGuay knows the task list a little too well 18.06.42 # thx 18.07.09 # @all - an sorry, i'm not the fastest of the world :-) 18.07.17 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A42E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.07.58 # doldi: No reason to apologize. 18.09.08 # lol, no no - i'm only think - doldi is to stupid to flash :-))) 18.09.40 # * pondlife is pleased we only have 18 bugs to fix before 3.0 ;) 18.10.44 # if i understand correctly none of those are show stoppers. 18.11.18 # \o/ 18.11.20 # Well, they're marked to be fixed before release 3.0. 18.11.36 # great information, thx 18.11.38 # Of course, we'll whittle the list down first too. 18.12.01 # pondlife: IIRC there were 23 last time I looked... have you been closing some? 18.12.09 # charging_lockup_partial.patch (2.7 KiB) 18.12.11 # pondlife: I've been marking stuff that falls into the "this isn't insignificant" category. 18.12.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7672 is interesting, both my H300 and Gigabeat have recently suffered from batteries that appear to die quickly, but the OF on the H300 still works 18.12.55 # Its right - if i install this it will helpfull? 18.13.29 # Yes of course - holding the (-) Buttom will also help on AJB 18.14.21 # and of last: build 2.5.1 will also work an may Players and Recorders 18.16.24 # Thank you all for information, greetings from germany 18.16.40 # hmm, i have seen the volume increasing by itself on my H300, but i thought this was some weird hardware issue, because it only happened with the remote connected. 18.16.50 Quit bertrik ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.16.59 # doldi: keep in mind that 2.5.1 is an unofficial build 18.18.32 # i know - but it works for me ;-) 18.18.59 # that may be, but we try not to discuss such things around here and keep to the official stuff 18.19.07 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.19.14 # sorry 18.19.58 # pondlife: Bugs marked "Due in 3.0" aren't showstoppers, just ones we'd like to call interest to (either for reproducing, documenting, or fixing). Right now, afaik, there aren't any showstoppersl 18.20.33 # I didn't say there were, just that they'd been marked to look at. 18.20.52 # * scorche|sh reminds scorche to do some tests with the newest build to see if any playback oddness is seen 18.21.05 # yay my franken-h160 works :P 18.21.31 # built from h140 and h160 parts, a new battery and a 60 GB hd :p 18.21.38 # err h140 and 120 parts 18.21.41 # PaulJam: The volume increasing by itself on the H10 is actually a hardware flaw 18.21.55 # Llorean: H300 18.21.56 Quit bughunter2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.22.04 # PaulJam: When the power gets too low the touchpad acts erratically. In lists it'll scroll past the top, in the WPS it'll increase volume 18.22.18 # PaulJam: I'm suggesting your H300 is almost certainly not related to that linked flyspray task 18.22.28 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne203.ugent.be) 18.23.10 # Llorean: ok, sorry. i didn't realize that this FS entry is H10 specific. 18.23.10 # You may have a problem, but the H10 one is of a known cause, while yours is something different. 18.23.22 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 18.23.35 # Just trying to clarify. :) 18.31.04 # When building a simulator it no longer asks for a simulator type. Should all references to choosing SDL be removed from the docs? 18.32.08 # Probably 18.33.33 Join bob_smith [0] (n=c1f3837b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-87ff8ff567b37d51) 18.34.01 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 18.34.05 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d959-CM0012c9a9ae36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 18.34.44 Quit bob_smith (Client Quit) 18.39.10 # Hey. This isn't linux, is it? 18.39.19 # no. Why? 18.39.46 # I just assumed it was. So this is a totally new os? 18.40.18 # For some values of "new". Rockbox started more than 6 years ago 18.40.46 # Right. Here, "new" = "from-scratch". 18.40.59 # ok, then yes 18.40.59 # it is made "from scratch" for such purposes as a DAP firmware..."new os" goes a bit far, as i dont knwo why anyone would want to use it for something else 18.41.41 # Doesn't it have to provide many of the interfaces that an os for a pc would? 18.41.51 # ...no? 18.42.01 # not sure what you are getting at there 18.42.24 # I don't know. I just thought this was some linux port. Now I'm extra impressed. 18.43.00 # LambdaCalculus37: I'm getting errors trying to run the sim, would you mind testing that patch? Sorry to be a PITA. 18.43.47 # MarcGuay: Need to update my SVN trunk. 18.44.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.20 # pondlife: With your "seeking slows down" flyspray you're kinda unclear on what's happening. 18.49.38 # Seeking always, for me, slows down as you approach the end of the track. It should accelerate, peak, then decelerate 18.49.56 # Yes that's how it normally happens. 18.50.11 # The patch adds an option to remove the deceleration 18.50.27 # And with that option on, it's broken? 18.50.32 # ? 18.50.39 # No, it's a new feature 18.50.45 # The feature is *smooth* acceleration 18.50.48 # I don't like the deceleraetion 18.51.04 # It should still follow the arc, just with a gradual increase/decrease instead of large steps 18.52.10 # Yes, that works fine. But, I personally don't like the deceleration. I only found out that was deliberate today though. 18.52.34 # The deceleration has been in there since before smooth acceleration, IIUC. 18.53.02 # MarcGuay: Unless you can roll a build for me with the patch applied. 18.53.16 # I wanted the ability to just seek faster and faster until I released the key, that's what the patch adds. 18.53.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 has to recover from the shock of his Gigabeast's OF suddenly deciding to wipe his drive 18.53.50 # pondlife: I was referring to your closed bug report, not opened patch. Somehow I didn't notice it was closed. 18.53.55 # Ah, sorry. 18.54.09 # That was me getting confused earlier. 18.54.29 # The nice new acceleration just made the deceleration even more obvious. 18.54.43 # Your new patch changes a LOT of unrelated language strings. 18.54.51 # I know, I'll remove them 18.55.04 # See logs above - needs splitting when I get time 18.55.19 # Also needs the manual entry doing 18.56.29 # Without speed limiting, getting through a very long track and still finding a point within about 5-10% of the end would be impossible, btw. 18.56.37 # Seeking isn't exactly meant for regular use on short files. 18.56.47 # LambdaCalculus37: A VM reboot got the sim working, thanks anyway. Starting to wonder what's going on with that. 18.56.56 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB21BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.57.01 # Well, not impossible, I guess. You could stop seeking, then re-start to throttle the acceleration 18.57.04 # That'd be a hassle. 18.57.15 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.57.17 # MarcGuay: Sorry, I'm just rather miffed right now because I've now got to recover all of my music again. 18.58.18 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.01.33 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders where jhMikeS has been lately 19.04.19 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dti207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 19.07.04 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-208-068.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 19.10.14 # Hmm. Regarding my last commit, the buttons now match the background images, but it would be better if the images were changed to match those of the e200 so that 8 is Up and 2 is Down. 19.11.42 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 19.13.46 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-207-8.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.15.39 # MarcGuay: does that mean 8 and arrow up now moves down? 19.16.10 # pixelma: Yes, but that's what the background image describes. 19.16.21 # I think I've been told that it was changed from that before and only the background image wasn't changed... 19.16.28 # pixelma: The fix should really be in the background image. 19.16.56 Nick cg_ is now known as cg (n=cromos@dsl-olubrasgw1-ff8fc100-80.dhcp.inet.fi) 19.17.00 # why isn't it then? 19.17.37 # * MarcGuay looks to see if the layered image files are in SVN... 19.19.06 # I only see bitmaps. Any idea who has the working copies? At least right now the background image isn't providing false instructions. 19.20.20 # MarcGuay: see http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=8690 19.20.22 # Isn't the problem more than that? i.e. that "scroll forward" and "scroll back" are sometimes "down and up" (e.g. in lists), and sometimes "up and down" (e.g. the volume control), and sometimes "right and left"... 19.21.18 Quit MethoS- (Connection timed out) 19.21.29 Quit doldi ("CGI:IRC") 19.21.40 # Seems as though every time I try to make a "small fix" it opens a can of worms. 19.21.52 # MarcGuay: That's why no-one else has done them... ;) 19.22.02 # They are always clockwise and anti-clockwise (or whatever terms we decided on)... 19.22.08 # MarcGuay: do tests before committing? ;) 19.23.03 # I thought I did... Grr. 19.23.19 # Happens to the best of us... ;) 19.23.30 # Mapping scrolling to buttons isn't easy 19.23.43 # * amiconn should have the original layered images for ipods 19.24.11 # Is there a template for config-*.h somewhere? 19.24.15 # Scrolling should be mapped ti 7 and 9 (or buttons in some way horizontal) to go with the "clockwise" "anticlockwise" rather than caring about up/down 19.24.21 # *to 19.24.32 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.24.42 # linuxstb: It looks like the menus and the volume are synced up. 19.24.49 # shadoxx: No... Just pick an existing target that seems very similar to your device. 19.24.58 # Yes, I have those for G3, color and nano at least. They're in .psd format 19.25.04 Part Llorean 19.25.29 # linuxstb: kk 19.25.48 # shadoxx: Do you have a list of components somewhere for it? What is the LCD size/resolution? 19.25.57 # I meant size/depth... 19.26.03 # Llorean: 2 and 8 leaves you the possibility to use the up and down arrow keys alternatively when it's used for up and down in a list which might be the reason why it was chosen... *hopes he reads logs* 19.27.20 # amiconn: If you could throw me those files I'll see if I can find time to work on it. Any idea who might have the others? 19.28.18 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.28.24 # I think the images weren't changed because the idea was to redo them from the .svg files 19.29.19 # amiconn: Are those available? 19.29.40 # I could grab them from the manuals. 19.29.44 # But this isn't a simple conversion, as the sides of devices with buttons on those need to be drawn as side views 19.29.58 # The manual/ dir is where they are. 19.30.18 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.1) 19.31.30 # The manual build itself uses preconverted .pdf versions (pdf manual) resp. png versions (html manual) of those 19.31.44 # manual/rockbox_interface/images 19.32.21 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.32.42 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 19.34.01 # I drew the side buttons bigger than they would naturally be seen in a top view on purpose to avoid drawing side viewa 19.34.06 # *views too 19.34.56 # but the 3rd and 4th gen Ipod svgs aren't nice (because I made a wrong assumption when drawing them) 19.35.48 # On another topic: Is recording on the 3G ipods supported? 19.39.09 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 19.40.35 # I'd like to commit FS#8747 (appear as a do-nothing usb audio device), which would solve the "unknown device" dialogs for portalplayer/windows users, but the delta is pretty big: Binary size 1024 bytes, Actual size 352 bytes, and RAM usage 432 bytes (whatever those numbers may mean exactly). Any opinions ? 19.40.43 # (delta measured for c200) 19.41.14 # Hmm, no 'do-nothing' hid device instead? 19.41.35 # * amiconn thinks hid might be more compatible with various os'es than usb audio 19.42.21 # It's absent from the manual and the sim but the device is apparently capable of it. I'll leave it be.. 19.42.49 # jhMikeS or DerPapst should be able to tell 19.43.03 # You could be right. 19.43.09 # Unfortunately I haven't seen them for quite a while 19.46.46 # amiconn: the main problem with HID is that the usb stack doesn't do interrupt transfers yet (which I think HID needs, even for dummy). 19.47.03 # hmm 19.47.16 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.48.53 # And I won't have time for about a month to implement this, so if we want this in 3.0 (which I think is useful), and if 3.0 is pretty soon, it won't be HID. 19.49.32 # Of course, maybe it's preferable to release with the current "ugly dialog" thing than with a maybe-incompatible usb audio 19.50.07 # * gevaerts also finds the delta a bit big for something that is right now purely cosmetic 19.50.30 Join Acky [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 19.50.42 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.51.53 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf134.ugent.be) 19.53.07 # gevaerts: Audio needs isochronous though, doesn't it? 19.53.53 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.54.06 # amiconn: audio _streaming_ needs isochronous. This patch doesn't do streaming (it basically declares a speaker and a microphone connected to eachother, without any host controls) 19.54.54 # Maybe the same applies to HID, but I don't know yet 19.56.22 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.22 Quit dany_21a (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.58.27 Quit wpyh ("Leaving.") 19.58.59 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@th245022.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) 20.02.14 Part pondlife 20.02.58 Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-174.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 20.03.18 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 20.03.22 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-174.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) 20.03.25 Join MMeester [0] (n=muziekme@dslb-088-078-010-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.03.33 # * gevaerts is a bit worried about the fact that we don't have any signs of a release coordinator yet 20.03.45 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 20.04.18 Quit Acksaw (Connection timed out) 20.04.25 # pixelma: Concerning the ipod sims we have two choices right now, either revert the change and have the keys work intuitively (8=up,2=down) but have the background images give false directions or leave it and have the inverse. If there was an easy way to update the images I would, but it seems to not be the case. 20.05.16 # gevaerts: Let the RSB decide. :) 20.06.24 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-242-7-34.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 20.06.36 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-4-45.dsl.telesp.net.br) 20.06.37 # We should never have decided to start going for a release as soon as Nico_P had fixed the blocker bugs. That motivated him a bit too much, so he was too quick, and now we're in a scheduling vacuum 20.07.05 # gevaerts: Are you saying we should declare more blockers? 20.07.26 # * gevaerts likes that idea ;) 20.08.39 # Actually, I think we need to start thinking about getting someone to volunteer for the release coordinator job. Someone needs to make decisions about bugs 20.09.24 # Giving them priority, or what? 20.10.07 # MarcGuay: I'd prefer the keys being intuitive slightly, there are also people who use the sim withou the background picture. The images were wrong for a long time, maybe I could look into fixing them 20.10.10 # I kinda felt that since whether bugs will be fixed or not depends on the will of those with the appropriate knowledge of that code, we're basically not going to be able to make *too* many decisions until we get closer to the wire, and start saying "okay someone needs to disable this feature" 20.10.11 # That's the easy bit. Removing buggy features will be harder 20.10.41 # pixelma: That's fine with me. I should have consulted for the history lesson before committing. :) 20.10.44 # Most buggy features can be disabled by removing them from the menu and the manual method of setting via .cfg, so they just stay with their default. 20.11.04 # I don't think we need to remove the code, just the ability to turn them on. 20.11.11 # maybe others can state their opinion too ;) 20.11.17 # Less other things you can accidentally break that way 20.11.20 # I don't think we have that many broken features which are optional, but rather we have some broken targets which are either fix-or-leave-out for a release 20.12.02 # * amiconn mainly thinks of power management 20.12.39 # * gevaerts needs to listen to the devcon recordings again 20.12.51 # I'm still in favour of a tiered release, with some targets as "3.0 Release" and some getting a 3.0 binary, but not being release targets (just so there's a "known good" binary for people to use who want to have one) 20.14.41 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 20.16.35 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3F56A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.17.27 # gevaerts: Another thing, actually: Before we pick a release coordinator, we should probably have an outline of what he's expected to do. People have mentioned I'll probably end up being suggested, and I'm uncomfortable with it. 20.17.37 # Not because I'm uncomfortable with the work, but because I have no idea what it is. 20.18.11 # Llorean: True. That is indeed pretty essential 20.18.13 # So far, I've just been seeing things I think needs done, and trying to get them done. Which isn't something you can do wrong, really, because there's nobody with an expectation on them, just me saying "I think this needs done" and doing it. 20.18.40 # It's the same thing everyone does with the code, essentially. There's no "Playback coordinator" but Nico_P does do an awful lot of playback related work. 20.19.00 # Though I do an awful lot less related to the release than he does to playback. 20.19.06 # I just have a loud "yank" voice. :-P 20.19.48 # So how do we get this release coordinator job description going? 20.19.53 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.21.00 # Well, there are a couple ways, I suppose. 20.21.08 # We could collaborate on a wiki page for a couple days, then discuss 20.21.14 # I think the answer is in the job title, no? 20.21.22 # We could put out a mail to the -dev list asking everyone what they think the duties should be. 20.21.55 # Or we can ask for volunteers to say what they're willing to do to help coordinate the release, and then pick someone to keep track of communication between those volunteers. 20.21.57 # MarcGuay: that's the summary, but it's a bit vague 20.22.29 # Basically, for example, MarcGuay is more or less our "Manual Coordinator" whether he likes it or not at the moment. Or perhaps "Documentation Coordinator" 20.22.31 # Maybe we should start with a wiki page detailling what needs to be done for the release 20.22.33 Part MMeester 20.22.54 # gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo 20.22.56 # * gevaerts grabs an l back 20.23.02 # Feel free to add/modify a lot. 20.23.18 # I just trashed the old 3.0 stuff and added a bit of summary 20.23.43 # bertrik: the batterybench with your patch worked. the bench stops at 2%, therefor i'll recharge the player and start a second bench... 20.23.46 # I think that whoever feels drawn to the position of release coordinator will be capable of deciding what that job entails. 20.24.01 # * MarcGuay works backwards. 20.24.08 # * Buschel guesses betrik's bench is not the reason for the bad runtime :/ 20.24.12 # * gevaerts will be the release coordinator, and the job entails lying on a beach 20.24.14 # MarcGuay: But you also think I should do it and are developing a justification for that. :-P 20.25.08 # Llorean: wasn't it you who suggested a release coordinator? ;P 20.25.08 # Llorean: :) I was mostly kidding. I wouldn't ask that anyone be forced to do something. 20.25.28 # That being said, I'm pretty sure we could slap the number 3.0 on a current build from the last day or two and start compiling "known issues" and still satisfy a large portion of our users. 20.25.44 # pixelma: Nah, iirc Cassandra was suggested as RC last time. 20.26.05 # pixelma: I just suggested that the job needs to be cutting things rather than getting things done if we really want to see a release happen. 20.27.54 # Yes, and cutting things (potentially) means being unpopular with some people. That's why I think it can't really be done in an ad-hoc way by whoever feels like it that day 20.28.01 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.28.23 # * pixelma digs in the mailing list and finds a hint to a ReleasePlanning page... 20.28.24 Quit adamgolding (Nick collision from services.) 20.28.28 Join adamgolding [0] (n=addy@CPE00134645d969-CM000f9fa62b04.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 20.29.08 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=4cbd373c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3aa32d5319b142e8) 20.29.23 # i have a weird ipod problem: rockbox will install and boot ok, but the OF never will--i get a continuous boot even after doing 'restore' in itunes 20.29.41 # gevaerts: Well, I can handle the unpopular thing. But, like amiconn said, it may just be that we're really only cutting targets now. 20.30.00 # JdGordon|zzz: Note for the logs, unrelated: People seem to still be unhappy with the current time screen. 20.30.13 # GUys whats the MIPS thing do? ive bean looking and im getting mixed resaults, a assume its the Proccer Speed one? 20.30.17 # adamgolding: If you've done a restore in iTunes then it's not Rockbox related. 20.30.25 # xqtftqx: "proccer"? 20.30.41 # xqtftqx: mips is a cpu architecture, like arm or x86 20.30.46 # MIPS is another architecture. 20.30.53 # * LambdaCalculus37 is too slow with his enter key ;) 20.31.04 # Oh, so its gonna open ports to new devices? 20.31.30 # define "it" 20.31.32 # well, since there's such a port in progress we needed the toolchain for it... 20.31.35 # More the reverse. Someone is working on a device using mips 20.31.47 # see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17245.0 20.31.56 # Ok thanks 20.32.31 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-2931f466d48a1e3d) 20.32.47 # adamgolding: So the OF boots after a restore from itunes, but then after you install Rockbox, the OF stops working? Or the OF never works? 20.33.20 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.33.59 # Llorean: It could also work like: We're freezing now, and want 3.0 to come out in 2 weeks. If target X and target Y don't have working powermanagement by then, they won't be included in the release 20.34.31 # amiconn: I think that's how it's going to work. 20.34.48 # linuxstb OF never works 20.34.49 # Based today's status, G1/G2 and M3 should be excluded 20.35.00 # But I still think we should make "3.0" builds for them, as ones that users can known have "decent" playback working. 20.35.07 # Just don't call them "3.0" 20.35.15 # Or don't call them "Release" or something 20.35.28 # X5/M5 powermgmt isn't great, but it's usable, and charging in the cowon loader works without special tricks 20.35.46 # "Unsupported" would be a good term, if it wasn't already so overloaded 20.35.59 # also, installed a hacked ipod touch firmware to my 5.5G at least booted (although it didn't appear to interface with itunes properly) but restoring OF in itunes still wouldn't boot 20.36.22 # I like "Beta" because at least to normal users it means "something you can try, it should be usable, but don't expect it to be perfect" 20.37.13 Nick MarcGuay is now known as MarcGuayAway (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-80.vif.net) 20.37.45 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.31 # I'd say a good sequence could be "freeze, decide on what gets thrown out, branch to do the throwing out cleanly (but no more), and release" 20.38.34 # gevaerts: For non-Sansa portalplayer targets, how comfortable would you be with USB being included, with a known issue of "USB is known to occasionally be unreliable on some HUBs or ports. If you experience problems connect to a rear-port on your PC. If you still experience problems, please reboot into the original firmware for file transfers."? 20.40.32 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 20.40.34 # Llorean: For ipods at least, I don't think there's a need for Rockbox USB - the reboot-to-diskmode works well enough. 20.40.54 # linuxstb: But people don't realize that's not part of Rockbox. As well, on the Nano it can be ridiculously slow. 20.41.22 # Llorean: But it's stable... There is also the option of booting into the OF. 20.41.47 # As long as it's documented, I don't see it as being important for a release. 20.41.50 # Llorean: for non-sansa, sure. For sansa, there is the SD bug, and I'm not sure how well that works with the current patch. 20.42.00 # gevaerts: That's why I was specific about non-Sansa 20.42.07 Join delorean90 [0] (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 20.42.08 # gevaerts: Any ideas of a good way to test that patch, btw? 20.42.21 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.42.30 # linuxstb: Well, the Rockbox USB code has worked pretty reliably for my Nano. I'm curious about how widespread the problems with it are likely to be. 20.42.55 # Llorean: I just don't like the idea of code that can cause filesystem corruptions being included in a release. 20.43.02 # linuxstb: it only can on Sansa. 20.43.09 # Which is why I said "for non-Sansa" 20.43.19 # I still want to try something though. Currently USB and SD access can happen together. I think I tried to serialize them once and that that didn't help, but I can try again 20.43.32 # * bluebrother uses the usb code on his mini since quite a while now 20.43.32 # linuxstb: The corruption comes from a bug in the SD driver rather than the USB code. 20.43.35 # Llorean: So what does "USB is known to occasionally be unreliable on some HUBs or ports" mean? 20.44.15 # linuxstb: There are signal quality issues. You'll get device resets iiuc. 20.44.35 # There is another issue still. Sometimes rockbox doesn't see new or changed files properly after disconnect, possibly related to lack of FAT mount reset things. 20.44.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.45.03 # Anyway, I still think we should target the freeze at mid-august after we have a steering board and they've settled in a little. 20.45.22 # That doesn't mean we need to use mid-august code though, we can work on a branch from now if things get any worse around then. 20.47.38 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4FA82.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.48.15 # Sounds good to me at least 20.52.06 # * amiconn only uses rockbox usb sometimes, due to the resets slowing down things 20.52.54 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.52.59 # linuxstb: the automatic reboot works reliably on Ipods? I just wonder because it doesn't maybe half of the times I forgot to turn off my c250 before connecting to USB... 20.54.37 # Maybe we should expand the c200 reboot sequence a bit : turn backlight on, show a message "rebooting. Hold power for 30 seconds if it doesn't work", and then reboot 20.54.52 # bluebrother: what I wanted to ask you - does the Rockbox Utility guide the Iaudio user through the bootloader installation? 20.55.05 # pixelma: I think so, but I need to check 20.55.13 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 20.55.35 # I mean the disconnecting and inserting charger that's necessary after putting the files in the correct place 20.56.18 # yes it does. 20.57.55 # ok, there is a problem with that: while it gets displayed the directions get kinda drowned during small / full installation by the following messages. 21.00.16 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 21.00.39 # bluebrother: I see... was asking because of this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17603.msg129419#msg129419 (and I also didn't see it mentioned on the GraphicalInstall page but didn't look closely yet) 21.00.47 Quit ze (Remote closed the connection) 21.00.51 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 21.02.08 # GraphicalInstall could get quite improved about this ;-) That's the reason why I directed to the manual at the end -- I mainly wanted to have a simple walkthrough for the majority of users 21.02.17 # which is, as far as I understand, Ipod and Sansa. 21.02.50 # The H120 should have a similar issue, with the message to install the patched .hex 21.02.55 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.03.02 # well, the manual only deals with these details in the "manual installation" part, if I remember correctly :\ 21.03.10 # Does RBUtil retrieve the .hex for you from the iriver download site, or do you have to provide it manually? 21.03.37 # Llorean: the user has to provide it.. 21.03.58 # we need some more guiding messages during bootloader installation. 21.04.40 # domonoky: Okay. Does it give a clue where to find it? 21.05.10 Quit Buschel () 21.05.16 # no :-) 21.05.52 Join low_light [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0bb88942a9c8a929) 21.06.17 # Ah 21.07.01 # The wiki does. And as this is something that seems to change regularly without warning, I think the wiki is the right place for it 21.07.24 # Of course rbutil could refer to that wiki page 21.07.26 Join kushal1 [0] (n=chatzill@c-67-173-249-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 21.07.46 # Yeah, that would be good I think 21.08.22 # As previously someone mentioned, ideally RBUtil should be usable without reading first. I just think we shouldn't encourage it to be used that way by putting it before the documentation. :) 21.08.25 # bluebrother: did you also read today's logs (I think still before noon) when RBUtil on OSX was discussed? 21.08.40 # not yet. Will check them 21.09.09 # can TCC77x (Sansa c100/m200) owners test my patch at FS#9096 21.09.25 # I have a sansa c250 21.09.57 # low_light, does sansa c250 have TCC77x? 21.09.57 # low_light has one too (maybe it was a c240 though) ;) 21.10.02 # wrong cpu 21.10.11 # Does DAX apply? 21.10.20 # sorry for the interruption, carry on 21.10.33 # gevaerts: sure 21.14.14 # hi anyone working on xm codec? 21.16.08 # low_light: you made the printf a bit too long for the dax, so I had to change it a bit. Do you want the values here, or in the tracker? 21.17.01 # Synthpop: Nope. 21.17.03 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.17.04 # actually I just wanted to know if it worked for other player ;) 21.17.28 # hmm mod and xm are similiar formats 21.17.29 Quit Tuplanolla ("k mui") 21.17.29 # * gevaerts gets EC D3 51 95 58 21.17.43 # i guess just a matter of time before other tracker formats gets supported 21.17.57 Join krz [0] (n=irc_by@turbo.sml.by) 21.18.00 # Synthpop: It's a matter of people working on codecs for other tracker formats. 21.18.45 # yea i got alot of trackersongs that just wait for it :) 21.19.03 # im making xm's 21.19.03 # gevaerts: 0xEC is a samsung id. Might as well post them on FS. 21.19.09 # ok 21.19.22 # LambdaCalculus37: do you still have a m200 v1? 21.19.43 # Synthpop: The point is this: If everyone just waits, like you, it'll never happen. Don't expect it to happen. 21.19.56 # low_light: Not at the moment. I sent mine to shotofadds, and I'm getting his in return. 21.20.12 # So _someone_ has it :) 21.20.12 # Mine was NAND, which he was looking for. His is Tri-Flash. 21.20.25 # hehe ok i guess i wont expect too much 21.20.38 # low_light: i have 2 in my possession, but they are at home 21.20.49 # gevaerts: shotofadds already got it. scorche is sending me the m230 shotofadds had. 21.21.02 # and i gave one of mine to Bagder (HARP) 21.21.08 # im only tracking songs i do not code so i wouldn't be able to make it happen anyway 21.22.06 # * gevaerts thinks that the travels of this cohort of m200s are going to be even more impressive than LinusN's ipod 21.22.36 # ok. if anyone wants to test FS#9096 can post results. 21.27.35 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 21.29.17 Quit adamgolding () 21.30.07 # LambdaCalculus37: Does that mean there are actually 3 different versions of the m200? 21.31.43 # amiconn: Yep. Rev. 1/2 are NAND, Rev. 3 is HARP, and Rev. 4 is AMS. 21.32.41 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.33.14 # low_light: nice work! I'll give it a try on my M240 shortly (now that I have the hardware...) 21.34.26 # I've added a short list of work to be done on the CowonD2Info page - anyone who feels like helping out should now know where to look 21.34.43 # Hopefully now we have all these TCC77x devices around it'll help somewhat too 21.35.57 Join Nasty [0] (n=472013e8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a32c8f300e09850d) 21.36.36 # Hey i got some questions about the rockbox software and my 80 gb Ipod classic, can somebody help me on this? 21.37.01 # Yes. The answer is: Rockbox will not work on it. 21.37.19 # Really? 21.37.29 # Really. 21.37.51 # Nasty: That's why it's not in the list on the front page. 21.39.02 # that's why it's mentioned in the "not on the ..." part on the frontpage 21.39.43 # Nasty: nobody has figured out how to get passed apple's encryption. An maybe we never will/ 21.40.14 # So the only difference is the encryption, right? 21.40.23 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 21.40.30 # hi guys 21.40.38 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@81-66-107-251.rev.numericable.fr) 21.40.47 # hi 21.41.13 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B16186D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.41.13 # Nasty: also entirely different (and undocumented) hardware. 21.41.40 # Nasty: The iPod Classic is basically an entirely new player, not like the other iPods at all on the inside. 21.42.09 # I see, thanks for your help guys! :) 21.43.17 Quit Nasty ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.44.07 # Don't ipods break all the time? 21.44.29 # so i've heard. 21.44.30 # Only if you drop them all the time 21.44.43 # well i heard they have problems 21.44.53 # * gevaerts doesn't see why ipods would break more often than other players 21.45.13 # they don'tlive long enough 21.45.32 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-119910.home.otenet.gr) 21.45.40 # oh ok. some tech guys at a hifi store told me that 21.45.44 Quit thegeek (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.45.48 # It's probably more that iPods have more users, and thus if 1% of all players break early, a LOT more iPod users will be speaking about it than other players. 21.46.01 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 21.46.10 # just what i was thinking 21.46.16 # why did ipod get that many users anyway`? 21.46.22 # Doesn't matter here. 21.46.38 # ok 21.46.57 # gotta run guys happy coding 21.47.00 Part Synthpop 21.47.01 # marketing, and that they keep releasing new players branded ipod i guess 21.47.16 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 21.48.32 # so, anyone from last night, was there a problem with the mac os x version of rbutil (dmg) or was it just me? 21.49.06 # Is there a date set for the documentation clean-up weak? 21.49.25 # *week 21.49.36 # hey tucoz, long time... :) 21.50.01 # tucoz: Not yet. Sometimes soon though. 21.51.00 # pixelma: hi. yeah, it's been ages. 21.51.13 Quit delorean90 () 21.51.54 Nick dxl is now known as svens (n=dxl@cl-2490.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) 21.52.15 # i follow the development, but haven't used my player for ages. 21.53.39 # Llorean: ok. hopefully i will be able to help out there, if it doesn't interfere with my vacation... 21.54.04 Join Kinky [0] (n=Kinky@12-217-215-99.client.mchsi.com) 21.54.22 # I would really like to see a 3.0 manual to follow the upcoming 3.0 release 21.54.22 # tucoz: I'd like to see it no later than either the week of the 20th or maybe the 27th, just because we also need to do a tracker cleanup, and prepare for the feature freeze. There's a lot on the table right now 21.55.54 # Llorean: maybe it would be a good idea to put those dates on the wiki somewhere 21.55.57 # rbutilqt 1.0.6 is not working on my macbook 10.4.11 Any ideas? 21.56.12 # mine either and thats why I came here 21.56.12 # * gevaerts expects to be told on what page they have already been for more than a wekk 21.56.36 # gevaerts: I don't think they're put anywhere. I just picked them based on "I'd like it done by the end of the month, if possible" 21.57.08 # kushal_12_27_200: Have you filed a bug report, documenting what doesn't work, what happens, and what type of processor your mac has? 21.57.10 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 21.57.17 # I was really hoping for some help.... I just got my e280r and can't for the life of me get rockbox installed 21.57.40 # I'm not convinced yet that it's my mac, I am leaning more toward user error haha 21.58.14 # Intel processor, I came here for followup. I was talking to JdGordon (who appears asleep now) when I got kicked off the Internet 21.58.40 # kushal_12_27_200: I didn't ask what processor you had. I asked that you include that information in a properly filed bug report. 21.58.49 # Kinky: What happens with you? 21.58.58 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.27 # I have gone thru all the steps listed on the install and such for the R model and I still boot into the regular software, not rockbox 21.59.35 # i've tried it on my mac as well as vista 21.59.40 # kushal_12_27_200: it says on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Change_Log that e200r isn't supported by rbutil. not sure if your player falls under that category 21.59.42 # got the same thing both times 21.59.56 # hmmmm 22.00.18 # well, I mounted rbutilqt and opened the app, but the app itself does not open 22.00.26 # ahhhh 22.00.52 # kushal_12_27_200: File a bug report, please. 22.01.09 # Describe everything, in detail, so that when the people who actually work on RBUtil are around they can read about it. 22.01.10 # * domonoky is sorry for the non-working rbutil mac version.. 22.01.16 # at least one other person said that it works on his/her tiger (10.4, which is what I have) so I am unsure if it is missing lib .... ok I will file it 22.01.22 # Kinky: you can still install rockbox, but not using rbutil 22.01.38 # I have leopard, I'm going to mount it again and see what happens there, just for the other one needing info 22.01.49 # hello tucoz :) 22.01.52 # gevaerts: I tried it manually too 22.01.55 # hi bluebrother :D 22.01.56 # could you try a older rbutil macosx version ? ie 1.0.5 ? 22.02.05 # kushal_12_27_200: are you able building it yourself? 22.02.12 # tucoz: nice to see you again 22.02.43 # I don't have the compiler, bluebrother, but I will download it if someone walks me through the process 22.02.48 # Kinky: did you follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation ? 22.03.00 # bluebrother: nice to see you too. great work on rbutil. 22.03.02 # Llorean, kushal1: it's been discussed earlier in the day and JdGordon|zzz had some ideas - his last was http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080708#09:53:44 22.03.12 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 22.03.16 # the non-working rbutil-mac version is my fault... :-/ but i am struggling to build a correct one.. 22.03.33 # * bluebrother finally goes reading those logs 22.03.50 # kushal_12_27_200: please try the rbutil_m1.0.5 version, and tell me if this one works .. 22.03.58 # it opens on my mac kushal1 22.04.15 # kinky, do you have the libutil? 22.04.30 # the problem is libusb.. 22.04.33 # I mean some libraries that may be missing on the dmg 22.04.33 # probably, I have fink, fuse, and a few others already installed 22.04.38 # ahhhh 22.04.51 # domonoky: already did - scroll up a bit from the point I linked to 22.05.21 Join doldi [0] (n=5b13a1b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-016b1928e74346bb) 22.05.22 # and yes, I followed that page of the wiki 22.05.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.05.36 # and it still boots to rapsody 22.05.39 # I tried it yesterday, domonoky. it did not work 22.05.44 Join Strangelet [0] (n=nicholas@38.96.139.93) 22.06.02 # kushal_12_27_200: I think m1.0.4 should be build "better". Have you tried that? 22.06.20 # I have not built anything 22.06.27 # rhapsody and paly for sure are still the only things listed in "mode" 22.06.29 # oki, so i need to somehow findout how to correctly build a universal static lib of libusb on mac.. .-/ 22.06.33 # and it boots to rhapsody 22.06.48 # let me try 1.0.4 22.07.04 # I am using an iPod 4th gen grayscale. Rockbox has a tendency to be a bit 'laggy' when selecting songs. Is this a disorder? Or simply an issue that hasn't yet been fixed by the devs.? 22.07.10 # I'm wondering if I did it on linux if it would work 22.07.41 # Strangelet: you could try enabling dircache (if I understand the problem correctly) 22.07.43 # If I am the only person with problem with the dmg, its probably something I got wrong 22.07.53 # try redownloading it 22.07.56 # maybe it was corrupted 22.07.59 # gevaerts: dircache? What is that? 22.08.23 # kushal_12_27_200: is your mac a ppc or a intel ? 22.08.33 # It frustrates me haha, I can build a computer from scratch, and yet can't get rockbox to install correctly..... thats why I'm sure it's user error 22.08.36 # Strangelet: it caches the directory structure in RAM which makes browsing much faster if your player has a slow hard disk 22.08.48 # Strangelet: Settings->General Settings->System->Disk->Directory Cache 22.09.00 # domonoky, sorry for late response. it is an intel macbook with 10.4.11 22.09.02 # gevaerts, bluebrother, thank you both. :) 22.09.44 # domonoky: is there an ldd equivalent on mac to check the libraries it's linked again? 22.09.52 # I was able to get the correct files transferred to the sansa because my version dropped from the current one to 1.0.2.31 and before the install it was higher than that 22.10.24 Quit doldi ("CGI:IRC") 22.10.40 # when I used the patcher it says it's done and correct, but each time I boot it's still rhapsody 22.10.49 Join BdN3504 [0] (n=55b23b9d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-65d210f378a99f51) 22.11.04 # bluebrother: i dont know, i only have remote access to a mac to build rbutil, so i can even try rbutil on the mac :-) 22.11.09 # Kinky: did you follow Step 2? 22.11.11 # s/can/can not/ 22.11.17 # yes totally to the end 22.11.24 # and it even reboots after I disconnect the usb 22.11.27 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-55-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) 22.11.32 # but still boots into the old software 22.11.43 # domonoky: on linux there's "ldd" which simply prints the libraries a binary is linked with. No need for GUI access ;-) 22.11.49 Quit BdN3504 (Client Quit) 22.12.02 # it's quite helpful to check if libusb has been linked statically or not. 22.12.25 # gevaerts: The dircache has removed the lag while in the 'Now Playing' screen. Though, lag still exists when browsing the database. Is there a cure for that? :P 22.12.39 # gevaerts: could you possibly try my updated patch in fs#9096? 22.12.45 # Strangelet: load the database to RAM 22.12.59 # it's documented in the manual (and IIRC also in the FAQ) 22.13.03 # Strangelet: try Settings->General Settings->Database->Load to RAM 22.13.40 # I have also tried by updating the sansa to the current firmware on the sansa site 22.13.43 # to no avail 22.13.49 # Kinky: unfortunately I've never done an e200r install myself, so I can't really help morew 22.14.27 Quit SirFunk__ ("Ex-Chat") 22.14.46 # me either :( 22.14.53 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 22.15.09 Join BdN3504 [0] (n=55b23b9d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-daddddf0af937953) 22.15.17 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 22.16.38 # hey, i'm using vmware to compile and am able to create working builds for my targets. Now i want to create a simulator, but i don't understand how to do that... 22.17.17 # shotofadds: that patch doesn't apply cleanly 22.17.55 # gah, forgot the "svn up" first :/ 22.18.07 # i want to create a standalone simulator for windows xp. i read about it here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building 22.18.49 # BdN3504: you need to cross-compile for windows then. I don't think the vmware image contains the w32 cross compiler 22.18.50 # * gevaerts blames MarcGuayAway for all this 22.19.26 # it might be much easier to build the sim on cygwin 22.20.05 # gevaerts: try again. that hunk was only there cos of the damn tabs... 22.20.20 # when i try this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux i get the error: configure: error: 22.20.23 # *** Your compiler (gcc) does not produce Win32 executables! 22.20.36 # kushal_12_27_200: does 1.0.4 work for you? 22.20.53 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.21.04 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 22.21.11 # where do i get such a cross compiler? is there an image already containing one? 22.21.20 # BdN3504: as I said, I don't think the vmware image contains the needed compiler. Check this line: You will need the Mingw32 compiler environment 22.21.22 # bluebrother: Mine does. I wonder whether scorche got anywhere with it 22.21.37 # shotofadds: that works 22.21.44 # \o/ 22.21.47 # amiconn: so that's not the one we officially distribute? 22.21.57 # BdN3504: check apt-get 22.22.06 # some of the code in lowlight's patch looks a bit .. suspicious 22.22.11 # bluebrother, BdN3504: You need both the mingw32 crosscompiler, and sdl for mingw32. If you have both it's pretty easy 22.22.39 # bluebrother: No, it's the one I prepared for devcon, 22.22.57 # It might be a bit big for distribution 22.23.06 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.23.45 # i'm a complete linux noob and have succeeded only because i followed the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling step by step... 22.24.16 # how do i get the mingw32 crosscompiler? 22.24.30 Join ender1 [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.24.42 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.24.49 # bluebrother: otool -L show that current rbutil mac uses lib usb as a shared lib :-/ 22.25.13 # domonoky: sounds like this is not what you want it to be ... 22.25.16 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 22.25.18 # see you later 22.25.20 Part tucoz ("Ex-Chat") 22.26.23 # maybe i'm in the wrong place for my problem, can you suggest any other place where somebody could help me? 22.27.24 # BdN3504: google for apt-get, and try "apt-cache search mingw" or similar 22.27.51 # I _think_ it should be possible installing the missing packets that way. 22.29.24 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.30.01 # ok I think I may have discovered something by total accident 22.30.29 # when I have the sansa locked, and plugged in the usb cable, I inadvertantly had my thumb on the record button and that put it into the usb mode! 22.30.54 # it's telling me on the lcd that it's the recovery mode however I have no idea what to do with it from here haha 22.31.10 # hm, so how can i force rbutil to link to the static lib of libusb. ld on mac doesnt know -Bstatic 22.32.19 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 22.32.33 # oo I just found this for you domonoky 22.32.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment 22.32.45 # go down to the part about mac 22.32.46 # domonoky: check the older revisions of rbutilqt.pro. I simply added it as link object earlier. 22.33.00 # Kinky: he knows about that ... he's one of the devs of rbutil 22.33.07 # haha sorry 22.33.13 # * Kinky is newwwwwwwb 22.33.22 # :-) 22.34.02 # i tried this user@debian:~$ apt-get install mingw32 22.34.14 # and get this: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) 22.34.29 # BdN3504: try "sudo apt-get install mingw32" 22.34.37 # domonoky: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqt.pro?r1=17462&r2=17555 22.34.42 # linuxstb: yesterday you talked about connecting my YH-820's HD to my PC. Any ideas on how I would do that? 22.34.43 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 22.35.33 # shadoxx: No... You would need to investigate what interface it's using, and try and buy/build some kind of adapter. Do you know the model number of the drive? 22.35.45 # yeah. ST650211CF 22.37.23 # shadoxx: Ah, so a CF interface... 22.37.26 # when i try this: user@debian:/$ sudo apt-get install mingw32 22.37.28 # Oh crap. Look at that 22.37.40 # i get this -bash: sudo: command not found 22.37.55 # linuxstb: there was a little adapter on it that let it connect to the yh-820's motherboard 22.38.05 # i pulled it off 22.38.06 # sweet 22.38.16 # * bluebrother notices that wavtrim.c uses CamelCase :/ 22.38.28 # BdN3504: try "su -" 22.38.53 # shadoxx: Would be interesting to try higher capacity cards... 22.38.55 # same 22.39.06 # linuxstb: very. :D this is turning into something fun. 22.39.31 # no wait 22.39.34 # shadoxx: Do you have a CF adapter for your PC? 22.39.35 # I highly dount this 22.39.40 # *doubt 22.40.00 # linuxstb: I've done some embedded device hacking. i have a mini itx system that just so happens to take CF 22.40.08 # I'm checking right now to see if it'll just slip right in 22.40.23 # haha 22.40.25 # and it will 22.40.48 # God I love technology. 22.41.18 # installing that crosscompiler right now i think... but i don't understand what it says on the wiki 22.41.22 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 22.41.26 # ./configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=${HOME}/mingw32-sdl 22.41.37 # You can change the argument to --prefix to wherever you want the mingw32 version of SDL installed, but you really should set a prefix, since the sdl-config will overwrite your native sdl-config otherwise 22.41.43 # what does that mean? 22.42.10 # * amiconn put it under /opt 22.42.38 # you can leave it that way, but you really should use --prefix in the configure run 22.44.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.44.48 # first of all, in which directory should i execute these commands? does that matter? i executed the apt-get command in under this input: debian:/# apt-get install mingw32 22.45.01 # should i change to the rockbox directory? 22.46.01 # BdN3504: that configure line has some context on the wiki 22.46.39 # linuxstb: I just realized though. The MP3 player still boots even if it doesn't have a HD in it. It just says that it couldn't initialize the HD and shuts off. I'll see what putting it in my embedded system does though 22.47.13 # shadoxx: That will be an error from the bootloader (stored in flash ROM). That bootloader will load the mi4 file from somewhere on the hard disk. 22.47.15 # BdN3504: or did you mean that entire block? 22.47.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.47.41 # bluebrother: now rbutil wants to link against the static libusb but ld errors: Undefined symbols: "_strerror$UNIX2003", referenced from: _usb_strerror in libusb.a(error.o) :-/ 22.47.52 # i mean the two lines i just posted 22.48.12 # bluebrother, I had to run off for a bit. yes, 1.0.4 does work for me 22.48.18 # is {HOME} just a placeholder? 22.48.18 # shadoxx: If I was you (and you have enough disk space), I would make a full backup now of your card - i.e. "dd if=/dev/sdX of=backup.bin" 22.48.32 # domonoky: on linux I just build libusb and put libusb.a in the rbutilqt folder. Not much of idea on mac ... 22.48.46 # linuxstb: thanks. will do 22.48.56 # kushal_12_27_200: ok, nice to know. Then libusb seems to be at least the main issue 22.49.29 # BdN3504: ${HOME} is an environment variable that expands to your home directory. By the way, there is no need to do these steps as root, so if you still are root (# prompt), type exit first 22.50.36 # BdN3504: then just go to your home directory, and follow the steps exactly, starting from the wget command 22.50.48 # ok thanks i will try 22.50.51 # that 22.50.53 # * gevaerts apologizes to Bagder. Someone else put that wget there 22.51.09 # :-) 22.51.13 # linuxstb: and putting that card in my pc returned a dma timeout 22.51.34 Quit davina ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 22.51.42 # shadoxx: can you turn off dma? Maybe it's a bios setting 22.51.53 # very true 22.52.02 # i could boot my kernel nodma 22.52.16 # hdparm may help as well. 22.52.21 # that too. After all, you don't need performance here 22.53.11 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@static-71-166-233-112.washdc.east.verizon.net) 22.53.25 # i get all kinds of permission denied messages when i try it now... 22.53.30 # bluebrother, have there been other cases about it? Do I need to file a bug report? is there already a byg report about it? 22.53.55 # BdN3504: what is the output if you type "pwd" ? 22.54.01 Quit ender1 (" I will not turn into a snake. It never helps. -- Evil Overlord List #34") 22.54.56 # user@debian:/$ pwd 22.55.14 # it is / 22.55.49 # Ok, disabled UDMA in my bios. now it should only try PIO mode 22.55.50 # OK. Then first type "cd", without any arguments. That should take you to your home directory. Then try the wiki steps again 22.56.18 # kushal_12_27_200: I think domonoky is aware of it ;-) 22.56.37 # And I'm still getting dma timeouts. 22.57.04 # Then I'd say try the hdparm way 22.57.41 # bluebrother, there should not be much difference in the way linux and os x work. they are both Unix[-like], aren 22.57.49 # 't they? 22.58.20 # kushal_12_27_200: as far as I know the only problem is one of these few spots where they are different] 22.58.44 # win. passing hdc=nodma to the kernel allowed it to be detected 22.58.45 # bummer 22.58.51 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 22.58.53 # the problem is that they aren't the same ;-) 22.59.10 # No. nvm. It's still saying dma timeout error. status=0x58 23.00.13 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 23.00.18 # BdN3504: any specific reason to not use the sims from http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ ? 23.01.32 # i want to make a sim for my own build 23.01.54 # or is there a way to include patches to rasher's sims? 23.02.13 # No. I just wanted to be sure that you were aware of them 23.02.19 # all goes well until now... thank you. but what does this mean? Now, just compile as normal, with the path to the mingw32 sdl-config in your path: 23.03.12 # PATH=${HOME}/mingw32-sdl/bin:${PATH} ../tools/configure 23.03.17 # What it says :) Just go to your rockbox source tree, and run configure with exactly that line 23.03.27 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 23.03.30 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.41 Quit midgey () 23.03.46 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 23.04.23 # excuse my dumb question but: with what line? 23.04.34 # The line you quoted 23.05.05 # linuxstb: looks like all this for nothing. boot rom isn't stored on a hidden place on the hd. still only 1 partition 23.05.06 Quit kushal1 (Remote closed the connection) 23.06.27 # what does http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RockboxUtility/graph.gif mean in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility ? 23.07.27 Quit krz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.07.32 # shadoxx: Does that partition cover the entire geometry of the disk? 23.07.38 # ahahaha! but i now choose sim, not normal in the configure tool, right? 23.07.44 # Yes 23.07.53 # kushal_12_27_200: an improvement 23.08.03 # thanks 23.08.10 # linuxstb: well, it only lists /dev/hdc 23.08.17 # no /dev/hdc1 23.08.42 # shadoxx: Have you tried mounting /dev/hdc? 23.08.48 # Did you check for hidden files ? 23.08.50 # does the '&&' in 'make && make install' mean that these commands are exe 23.08.58 # cuted one after another? 23.09.10 # BdN3504: didnt we send you off to go look at a basic linux tutorial last time? 23.09.15 # It means that the second one is executed if the first one succeeded 23.09.19 # no. The second one only gets executed if the first succeds 23.10.13 # linuxstb: yeah. it's the same listing as when I plug it in via usb with the mp3 player. 23.10.24 # does anyone here have write access to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility ? if so please change "updateing" in m1.0.6 to "updating" thanks 23.10.25 # ok thanks alot, i think you already told me to make myself familiar with linux basics... but i'm a bit lazy/busy (depends on how you look at it) 23.11.07 # BdN3504: I don't understand how you being lazy means other people should spend their time instead. Just take what little time you have, and eventually it'll add up to enough. 23.11.16 # kushal_12_27_200: could you please try this version of rbutil ? http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.6.dmg 23.11.26 # ok 23.11.41 # shadoxx: I don't know anything about FAT filesystems, but I'm guessing it might be possible for the filesystem to not cover the entire drive. i.e. leaving some unused space at the end... 23.11.59 # most definately. that's what I'm about to check, since you mentioned it. :) 23.12.02 # dang, its fast, 400 KiB per second and increasing 23.12.18 # :( it slowed down 23.12.20 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.12.24 # shadoxx: I would suggest dd-ing the entire disk to somewhere, and working on the image. Nothing like being sure :) 23.13.15 Quit BdN3504 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.15.10 # domonoky, once it finishes downloading, all I have to do is mount it and open the app, right? 23.15.37 # jup, try to open the app :-) i hope it works now :-) 23.17.03 Quit gevaerts ("Changing server") 23.18.11 Join BdN3504 [0] (n=55b23b9d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2bea91f6c961b567) 23.19.00 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 23.19.29 Nick MarcGuayAway is now known as MarcGuay (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-80.vif.net) 23.19.32 # Sorry, but i'll have to bother you one last time: i get 'zip error: Internal logic error (incorrect compressed size)' 23.20.00 # unzip: cannot find or open ../rockbox-full.zip, ../rockbox-full.zip.zip or ../rockbox-full.zip.ZIP. 23.20.09 # make: *** [install] Error 9 23.20.13 # gevaerts: What are you blaming on me? I was Away, I couldn't possibly have done anything. :) 23.20.18 # upon running make install 23.20.38 # BdN3504: Did you get any other errors before that? 23.21.12 # linuxstb: From several hours ago, I just realized what you meant by up-down in the menus being different from volume up-down, and I retract my "they're synced". Going for walks occasionally is useful. 23.21.17 # actually i see that now, yes: cp: writing `.rockbox/rocks/wav2wv.rock': No space left on device 23.21.20 # MarcGuay: You committed some changes to telechips.c while updating the manual. That broke some people's test patches (fixed now) 23.21.44 # how do i give the vm more space? 23.21.51 # gevaerts: Arr. I suck. Next time = more careful. 23.21.59 # BdN3504: you need to free up some space. I would suggest to remove the sdl build directory and source tarball 23.22.11 # the jdgordon file doesn 23.22.17 # doesn't open either 23.23.34 # Lear: I got a "Undefined Instruction" error when trying to reproduce the data aborts. Not sure how helpful it is, but it happened after pressing play twice quickly on the splash screen. 23.24.03 # MarcGuay: I like to do "svn diff" right before an "svn commit" - a sort of preview of what will be committed... 23.24.26 # Or even "svn diff|diffstat| 23.24.36 # s/|$/"/ 23.24.55 # linuxstb: I'm getting in the habit of doing "svn commit" with no parameters to see which files will be changed. 23.25.21 # I just do "svn st" to see which files are changed. 23.25.25 # * gevaerts <3 diffstat 23.25.44 # MarcGuay: "svn diff" is also useful for spotting things like inadvertant whitespace changes, or leftover debug code. 23.26.14 # linuxstb: And haven't done much with the c100 port while you were gone, by the way. I tried to find the shutdown routine but came up empty. 23.26.20 # thank you very much gevaerts, everything worked. 23.26.21 # Thanks for the tips everyone. 23.26.47 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 23.26.54 # colorsvn is also a great filter script. Makes the output much nicer to spot issues 23.27.24 Quit mcuelenaere () 23.27.42 # I do "svn st -q" first 23.27.47 # then svn diff to see the specifics 23.27.53 # Bagder: Will the voting for the RSB be ranked? e.g. a voter assigning points from 1-5 for each of their votes? 23.28.24 # linuxstb: we said no to that at devcon 23.28.43 # each will be an equal vote and then the votes will just be tallied 23.29.02 # I'm open for suggestions, but we discussed simply 1 point each to the 5 people you'd like 23.29.07 # Though we should establish a tie-breaker plan in advance. 23.29.20 # Llorean: i am willing to cross that bridge if we get there 23.29.26 Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.29.35 # a "vote-off" would be simple enough 23.29.53 # Probably 23.30.00 # Hmm, I would have preferred some way to say that I want person X a lot more than person Y... 23.30.13 # linuxstb: Easy, don't vote for person Y. 23.30.26 Quit alleyoopster (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.32 # Llorean: And that I want person Y more than everyone else... 23.30.37 # The steering board is going to have 5 people, so you vote for the five people you most want on it. If there's less than five, vote for less than 5. 23.30.45 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 23.31.58 Quit BdN3504 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.32.06 # If votes were weighted, three "want mosts" could outweigh five "want leasts" so even if someone had more votes from individuals, they'd still fall behind someone else who had less people on the count. That seems like it'd be problematic. 23.32.15 # And if weighted votes *aren't* worth more votes, then they don't matter. 23.32.53 # That sounds fair to me though - three "want mosts" outweighing five "want leasts".... 23.33.45 # then there's of course the question of how much more to weigh #1 compared to #5 23.33.50 # The person with five want leasts represents the overall views of five people, though. 23.34.05 # sounds like they'd need a numerical value to make sense 23.34.25 Quit sitwon ("Leaving") 23.35.06 # or, you can get 15 points to split on 5 people... 23.35.14 # Or 5 points to split on 5 or less people. 23.35.17 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.35.51 # I don't really like most of those ideas. If we do ranking, I want to be able to vote _against_ someone, otherwise I think I prefer 5 equal votes 23.35.51 # So that if you want to boost someone beyond the average amount, you have to sacrifice the number you can vote for. 23.36.19 # I got an email from someone asking me "How can I join the developers group? What does it gives me? Will I be able to commit fixes by myself then?". Is there a standard response for this? 23.36.22 # gevaerts: Five equal votes where more than one of those votes can go to the same person is a meeting halfway of the two ideas. 23.36.26 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.36.58 # how about you just rate each and every candidate from 1 to 10 23.36.58 # :p 23.37.01 # MarcGuay: "Committers are chose based on their overall contributions. Submit good patches to the tracker, and be active in the development community and you'll get noticed" I think 23.37.19 # yeps 23.37.22 # * scorche|sh deletes his comment saying pretty much the same 23.37.31 # Llorean: Sounds good. He also wanted me to consider his patch @ http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9142, which I am doing right now. 23.37.33 # * Bagder cut out a comment saying the same, only less good 23.38.54 # but the answer to the last question would be "yes" ;-) 23.38.55 # Llorean: I'm not convinced. Let's have the RSB decide on this 23.39.03 # Seems useful and harmless. Should be made universal before committing, though. 23.39.19 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 23.39.20 # * gevaerts spots an error in his reasoning 23.39.21 # gevaerts: Or a vote on how the vote will work... 23.39.25 # gevaerts: Hah. Maybe "5 votes, any of which can either be for or against a candidate, and there is no restriction that they have to be for unique candidates" just to make the numbers even more confusing. :-P 23.39.42 # * MarcGuay loves bureaucracy. 23.39.44 # * domonoky wants negativ numbers :-) 23.39.46 # * linuxstb prepares to nominate his voting systems 23.40.10 # Sorry, "democracy". 23.40.10 # That's only fair, vote for the voting system first 23.40.11 # lets just not have the voting systems be electronic diebold machines 23.40.18 # I wouldn't spend too much time working out voting systems. There are enough of them around, so no need to make up our own :) 23.40.19 # scorche: zing! 23.40.20 # * scorche|sh glares at Bagder suspiciously 23.40.25 # how about each candidate gets rated -3 to +3 and the top scores win :p 23.40.41 # * linuxstb reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system 23.41.04 # * gevaerts helps adding to wikipedia's logfiles 23.41.13 # * Bagder joins in 23.41.24 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.41.28 # ze: i have a better idea...how about we just do things as we decided at devcon! ;) 23.41.38 # scorche|sh: :p 23.41.52 # scorche|sh: you have a HARP m200, right? when you get a chance could you maybe try fs#9096 - just for confirmation that we actually can't read the NAND directly. 23.41.58 # The devcon people where not elected! 23.42.18 # * gevaerts hopes that nobody will spot that h :( 23.42.57 # shotofadds: yes...i will see about it after i get home and do some cleaning up/unpacking 23.43.06 # although i did give one to Bagder as well ;) 23.44.38 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.44.47 # * linuxstb likes the look of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_pairs and wishes Bagder luck in administering it ;) 23.45.15 # yay 23.45.25 # * gevaerts points out that that is a single-winner voting system 23.45.42 # the winner picks the other 4? ;-P 23.45.55 # * bluebrother thinks this is getting too complicated 23.46.13 # it got too complicated 15 minutes ago 23.46.34 # gevaerts: And then we do it again for #2... 23.46.54 # * linuxstb gives up and accepts the devcon propsal 23.47.56 Part Kinky 23.48.26 # scorche|sh: sure. i'm just trying to work out whether we really did need to swap those m200s... 23.50.38 # Apple wants me to update the software. It will require me to restart the computer. 23.51.33 # kushal_12_27_200: ...and what about that is relevant in here? 23.51.56 # oops, sorry wrong channel 23.52.16 # * gevaerts decides to stop reading up about voting systems, and hopes that he will be able to access his mail regularly so he can actually vote 23.52.30 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 23.52.37 # Llorean: From a few days ago - There is no keyclick when recording starts and stops (H300), but it would be a good idea. 23.52.42 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.53.13 # Llorean: That blind user on the mailing list could obviously use such a feature. 23.54.21 # shotofadds: My c100 is showing 0x00 values for the NAND. Have I missed something? 23.56.09 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 23.56.25 Join nicktastique [0] (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 23.56.41 # * petur looks at his bankaccount and wonders what tockbox travel expenses are :) 23.57.21 # * gevaerts recommends complaining to zagor about not having received anything for rockbox expenses :)