--- Log for 26.07.108 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 13 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.00 # i have a photo 00.00.25 # of what? 00.00.30 # i want to put on my Sansa e250 00.00.34 # my self 00.00.43 # LinuxMafia: what format is it? 00.00.43 # Is it a JPEG file? 00.00.44 # i dont know how to convert it 00.00.58 # i think it is jpeg 00.01.02 # it needs to be a non-progressive jpeg 00.01.03 # i screenshot it 00.01.13 # Just save it as such in any image editing program 00.01.26 # Then just drop it into your Sansa. 00.01.28 # LinuxMafia: what's the extension? 00.02.18 # .jpg 00.02.23 # but i choosed it myself 00.02.30 # You shouldn't do that. 00.02.37 # what format did you save the file as? 00.02.44 # .jpg 00.02.52 # that is the extension 00.02.59 # What format did you chose? 00.02.59 # so basically i can open it in gimp 00.03.04 # save as jpg 00.03.07 # what os are you running? what image programs do you have installed? 00.03.08 # yes 00.03.14 # oh ok thanks alot 00.03.29 # o ignore my last question ?) 00.04.10 # num1, lol 00.04.15 # thanks guys 00.04.26 # i check it out now 00.04.49 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 00.07.17 # LambdaCalculus37, fixed patch posted in the tracker 00.08.22 # hi guys, have installed rockbox utility on ubuntu hardy. Autodetect fails with 30 GB 5G iPod video... when configuring mount point and player manually, install proceeds but fails after download with "could not open ipod" 00.08.30 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@lan-84-240-35-19.vln.skynet.lt) 00.08.34 # you need to run as root 00.08.52 # run rockbox util as root? 00.08.55 # yes 00.09.07 # Installing the bootloader needs raw disk access which needs root 00.09.13 # can the wps handle jpegs now or still only bmps 00.09.18 # only bmp 00.09.35 # okey dokey, you all aren't part of some evil conspiracy trying to get root on people's machines with your sinister software are you? 00.09.45 # hehe, that's us :) 00.10.15 # bertrik: Great! :) I'll go try it out now! 00.10.18 # It is only the bootloader that requires it - we can't write to Apple's 'hidden' partition without it 00.11.38 # yareckon: if you don't trust us: you need rw access to the device node of the Ipod, i.e. /dev/sdb or whatever your Ipod is. If you make it writeable for the user you don't need root permissions. 00.11.43 # * LambdaCalculus37 patches and compiles for c200 00.11.58 # I trust, I trust ! 00.12.26 # (I'm doing it this way with my faked Ipod when testing) 00.13.20 Quit Vorador (Client Quit) 00.14.43 # bertrik: Did you see this when building? http://pastebin.com/m244ba5f1 00.15.17 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.15.30 # LambdaCalculus37, yes 00.15.45 # Did the codec still work? 00.15.56 # Actually, I'm about to find out now. 00.16.01 # yes, I think so, looks quite harmless 00.16.13 # should be fixed eventually ofcourse 00.18.14 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.20.18 # ok, thanks for the help guys 00.20.54 # Woohoo, I just played my first SAP file on my Sansa c240! \o/ 00.21.21 # * LambdaCalculus37 hands domonoky and bertrik a beer each 00.22.18 # is running as root in the docs somewhere that I missed, or should I add it? 00.22.38 # I suspect it is missing 00.22.51 # It should be in the automated install section of the manual 00.23.03 # If it isn't, a patch would be gratefully received :) 00.24.45 # I do see a warning in the manual install section under linux, but where can I add it to the automated install section, should I add it to the FAQ, or what? 00.25.51 # The whole install section of the manual could do with a bit of a rearrangement (which I keep meaning to try and start to do), but it should certainly appear under automatic 00.26.16 # What I would like is to remove the manual install section - people should only really be using rbutil anyway 00.26.36 # I might give that a go tomorrow :) 00.27.03 # BigBambi: Is that in case someday you decide rbutil should do more as root do don't want people not using it? ;) 00.27.20 Quit BlakeJohnson86 ("Leaving.") 00.27.28 # haha, yeah :) I hadn't though of that, but good point :) 00.28.47 # yeah adding a long string of commands to the manual install could get tedious in that case 00.29.10 # step 1. download pwnme.sh 00.29.24 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 00.29.39 # rbutil should just do it, there should (in normal cases) be no need for the manual install. The only problem at the moment is that the cli version of rbutil isn't completed 00.29.49 # hm... 00.30.00 # your gui is really nice though 00.30.21 # * BigBambi points at bluebrother and domonky for praise 00.30.40 # It is indeed, but gui shouldn't be 'forced' on people 00.30.40 # it definitely makes the project more attractive when you first download it an fire it up 00.31.05 # cough itunes cough 00.31.45 # anyway, thanks for the help y'all - as they say in my country 00.32.00 # no problem 00.32.56 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 00.35.19 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.37.05 # one more question, are there any linux media players that talk well to the rockbox database on the device? 00.37.17 # None. 00.37.21 # I don't think there are any for any OS 00.38.04 # is there even a standard for that? 00.38.20 # there is an old tool to do something with it from a PC IIRC 00.38.31 # but I doubt it still compiles/works/.... 00.38.51 # well, most major linux media players speak to the itunes db on the apple firmware 00.39.07 # right, but the itunes db is cnothing to do with RB at all 00.39.08 # and i wasn't sure whether you guys still used that or have a custom db format 00.39.15 # we don't touch it 00.39.24 # Rockbox ran on many players before the ipods 00.39.33 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.39.34 # * domonoky posted the last asap patch for today. now with metada data parser.. 00.39.36 # I am learning as much :) 00.40.35 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=1800dac6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-73d4c8a1693f618c) 00.43.08 # so rockbox can update it's db based on updates to the files on the system, so I can just keep syncing to the itunes library side of the equation 00.43.29 # The RB database just builds from metadata 00.43.35 # you don't import playlists from the itunes lib do you? 00.43.39 # no 00.43.47 # How you put the files on there is up to you 00.44.01 # We don't pay any attention to or care about itunes at all 00.44.18 # ok, so playlists are not syncable basically, or is there a portable format I can drop onto my device from the desktop? 00.44.25 # m3u 00.44.34 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.40 # Which is pretty much universal 00.44.44 # wow, ok I should have some software that can do that :) 00.44.53 # iTunes can :) 00.45.13 # We try to support normal standards, not proprietary rubbish :) 00.48.24 # * LambdaCalculus37 is going now 00.48.27 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.51.12 # thanks guys for all of the amazing work, and for the help today 00.51.36 # you are welcome, enjoy :) 00.51.48 # see you later! 00.51.52 # * preglow yawns 00.51.56 Part yareckon 00.58.31 Nick num1 is now known as num1_away (n=brian@c-68-63-193-45.hsd1.az.comcast.net) 00.59.15 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 01.01.00 Quit hannesd (No route to host) 01.06.34 # delete patch #9214, it's a duplicate of #9213 01.06.45 # that way round? 01.09.31 # num1_away: done 01.10.09 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-127-198.rev.numericable.fr) 01.14.25 Quit bertrik ("zZz") 01.14.37 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.18.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.18.22 Join bobrules [0] (n=bob12432@CPE00032f3a0ced-CM0013718c1238.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.19.20 # will we ever see a .lrc feature 01.27.20 Quit robin0800 (" Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01.30.07 # bobrules: There is no definite answer at this time. 01.30.17 # k 01.30.23 # thx 01.37.29 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 01.38.56 Quit ender` (" Why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain") 01.45.09 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@pool-96-255-39-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 01.48.15 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-87-159.vif.net) 01.48.23 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.54.47 Part toffe82 01.59.18 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよăȘら") 02.01.30 Nick num1_away is now known as num1 (n=brian@c-68-63-193-45.hsd1.az.comcast.net) 02.05.33 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-213-033.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 02.05.44 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.08.40 Quit sitwon (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.12.43 # okay, I'm going to display my lack of coding proficiency to all of rockbox. Say I have an array of chars, data[17], and I want to copy some data into a long, info->width, why is rb->memcpy(&data[4], &(info->width), 4); not working? 02.16.14 # oops, figured it out 02.21.53 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d47cde681f6f36d3) 02.23.58 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.26 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-106.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 02.27.27 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@port-83-236-56-2.dynamic.qsc.de) 02.32.10 # Does anyone recognize the markings or logo on the last photo on this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC100Port 02.34.04 # It's sitting on the other side of the memory board connector and doesn't exist on the c100 v1s... 02.34.18 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.34.40 # MarcGuay: Reminds me of this, honestly: http://upload.moldova.org/muzica/2006/aug/warner_logo.gif 02.35.21 # Ha... True enough... 02.35.27 # Of course, it's probably safe to assume it's right-side up, so I'd be looking for something with an M in it perhaps. 02.35.29 # Disney designed the motherboard. 02.35.43 # Motorola...? 02.35.56 # the logo is from a company called microchip 02.36.14 # num1: Nice. 02.36.20 # Thanks. 02.36.23 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.28 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 02.36.29 # Sure thing 02.37.50 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 02.39.29 # The c100 v2 doesn't have a hidden partition and the firmware isn't exposed on the main NAND so I'm wondering if it's hanging out in that little guy.. 02.39.33 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.41.22 # I would doubt it but it's possible. Microchip is typically in the processor and interface driver business 02.41.56 # EEPROM? 02.42.09 # http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21189h.pdf - Search for 4a64 02.42.44 # Looks like it. 02.43.41 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@pool-96-255-39-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 02.45.20 # hey that might be your firmware after all 02.46.58 Join tehpaper [0] (i=UPP@653237hfc238.tampabay.res.rr.com) 02.49.09 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 02.50.39 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.52.21 # in lseek what's the last argument for, "whence"? 02.53.10 # nevermind, I looked it up in the docs :) 03.12.07 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 03.16.42 Quit Genre9mp3 () 03.18.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.20.29 Join lude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.24.05 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.32.47 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.35.25 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.26 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-214-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.38 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-214-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.38 Join dnile [0] (n=asdf@71-17-127-122.estv.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 03.46.22 # if i'm understanding plugin.h and pcm.h right, and the way metronome.c uses it, pcm_play_data should be taking a buffer of interleaved 32-bit signed samples, and the buffer size passed to it is in bytes? 03.48.53 # and presumably i really should be using the callback if i want continuous playback? 03.57.10 Quit MethoS (Remote closed the connection) 04.00.21 # no, wait, that's short, so 16bit ;) 04.01.15 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.02.05 Join donsdl [0] (n=don@ip68-101-195-153.sd.sd.cox.net) 04.02.43 # * MarcGuay realized again how far out of his league he is. 04.03.52 # The I2C eeprom is too small to hold the firmware (64k?)... No idea what it's purpose is, or even what it is... Wikipedia run come save me.. 04.04.27 # MarcGuay: could it be the bootloader? 04.04.29 # I'm having a problem setting the time/date on my rockbox sansa 200e. 04.04.36 # What is the ab button? 04.04.45 # num1: Sure? :) 04.05.01 # MarcGuay: I haven't a clue :) 04.05.03 # Trying to find a way to extract it... 04.05.15 # MarcGuay: take it out an see what happens :) 04.05.39 # It's odd that the v1 model doesn't have it though... I think those ones may have a hidden partition... 04.05.46 # Makes sense... 04.06.31 # donsdl: Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Time & Date 04.07.35 # num1: Yes, I am there, but what do I push after I have made all the settings? 04.07.47 # donsdl: push the center button 04.08.08 # I push the center button, but it does not set the time/date. 04.08.39 # It says SELECT = Set? 04.08.50 # what version of rockbox are you using? 04.09.32 # I just double checked, it runs fine on my e280 running yesterdays build 04.09.33 # It's still a mystery then where the firmware hides if the bootloader is in there.. 04.09.47 # I'm looking. Forgot where version is. 04.09.59 # MarcGuay: reverse engineering wouldn't be any fun if there weren't mysteries 04.10.14 # donsdl: System -> Version 04.10.40 # Yes, it's giving me a bunch of names. Developers, I assume. 04.11.02 # what's at the bottom of the screen before the list comes up? 04.11.54 # v 14897-070929 04.12.17 # donsdl: That's ancient. 04.12.38 # Oh, I thought I was automatically updated. 04.12.42 Quit bobrules ("LEAFS WILL WIN STANLEY CUP IN 2009") 04.12.47 # that's almost a year old, I recommend getting the newest version 04.12.54 # I guess not.. :) 04.13.00 # Maybe that's Sansa, not Rockbox. 04.13.05 # : ) 04.13.22 # lol, it's rockbox 04.13.25 # Okay, thanks. I will do that. 04.13.41 # I mean the auto update. 04.13.49 # http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip 04.14.36 # just copy the zip over to your sansa, and extract it 04.14.48 # and say yes to any messages that ask you if you want to overwrite 04.15.09 # I used to have something on my Windows task bar, but it might have been Sansa updater or something like that. Anyway, I will want to have a late version, so I will take care of the update first. 04.15.23 # I appreciate the help here. 04.15.49 # no problem, when you've updated tell us if it worked 04.15.55 # I will. 04.20.48 # Do I extract the zip inside the .rockbox directory? 04.21.18 # no, extract it into the root dir 04.21.29 # Okay. 04.23.51 # I'm not sure I did it right. It created a directory, "rockbox", with another directory ".rockbox" inside it. Is that right? 04.24.12 # Alrighty, something's hanging out on the NAND that can't be seen. 10,9 MB used and 28KB worth of files visible... Maybe fdisk doens't work so hot in the VM.. 04.24.14 # no cut the .rockbox directory from rockbox and paste it into the root 04.25.09 # Overwriting the (old) .rockbox that is there now? 04.25.10 # and then delete the rockbox (without dot) dir at will 04.25.21 # yes, it will overwrite the old one 04.25.25 # Okay 04.26.26 # Hmmm. It didn't even ask if I really want to do this. : ) (crossing my fingers) 04.26.26 # Hey guys, I forgot when the WPS change was made, will donsdl need to modify his themes? (was the change made before or after 09/29/07?) 04.26.51 # I will reboot and look at version. 04.27.41 # Or should I wait for num1 answer. 04.27.52 # no go for it 04.28.12 # check if you can change your time too 04.28.17 # I think you are the only one awake, num1 :). 04.28.29 # Will do. 04.28.38 # time zones to that donsdl :) 04.28.45 # s/to/do 04.28.53 # right :) 04.31.13 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 04.33.11 # Same version, but I think I know what I did wrong. 04.40.26 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF4C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.42.35 # ok, does pcm_play_data call the callback when the hardware is actually done playing all of the previous samples? or just when it's "ready for more data"... in other words, can it generate the samples when called, or does it need to be able to return immediately? 04.50.01 # num1: Okay, finally a successful update! The theme changed, but for the better! I will try setting time now. 04.50.09 Join Makuseru [0] (n=max@210.113.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 04.50.13 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-165-118.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.52.14 Quit Makuseru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.53.32 # That worked also. Thank you very much, num1 and MarcGuay. 04.53.57 # donsdl: Have fun. 04.54.34 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180073015.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.55.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.58 # I'm going go see what else I can do with this jewel. Bye guys. 04.57.44 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@e176123098.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.58.36 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.58.58 Join webguest80 [0] (n=dc61e35c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-72fe1d21560e6fe9) 04.59.34 # hi 04.59.38 # hello guys 05.00.03 # i have a problem here 05.00.04 # I'm glad it worked donsdl, enjoy rockbox! 05.00.19 # webguest80: we have an answer 05.02.18 # but please read the guidelines, questions are expected, so you can just ask 05.03.46 # webguest80, we can not read minds too 05.05.27 Quit webguest80 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.05.55 # well... I guess that's one less question to answer 05.07.18 # He didn't say he had a question, he said he had a problem. 05.07.27 # * MarcGuay has problems too. 05.08.44 Join webguest72 [0] (n=dc61e35c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-80c76d55b6f26a18) 05.10.52 # guys 05.10.55 # hhh 05.11.01 # webguest72, we can not read minds too 05.15.03 Quit webguest72 ("CGI:IRC") 05.15.11 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.19.10 Quit XavierGr () 05.21.51 Quit donsdl ("Bye for now.") 05.28.34 Nick MU{lappy} is now known as MilitantlyUnhelp (n=Militant@pool-72-70-183-80.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 05.30.34 Nick MilitantlyUnhelp is now known as Unhelpful (n=Militant@pool-72-70-183-80.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 05.31.04 # p 05.31.25 Quit lude187 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.36.35 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) 05.38.11 # Hi, I need an MBR image for a 30GB 4th gen iPod 05.38.28 # Or a way to make this 4th gen 30GB fill all 30GB 05.38.52 # I have a 20GB image dd'ed onto it and I hate only having 2/3rds the capacity in use. 05.44.21 # sorry, almost everybody is asleep right now 05.44.56 # 0_o 05.45.03 # What's a good time? 05.46.09 # I bet a lot of people will be on around 16 hours from now 05.46.19 # lymeca: what time zone are you in? 05.46.28 # it's currently 22:46 in central USA 05.46.35 # Pacific Standard Time, 20:46 05.46.43 # well, there you go :P 05.46.45 # Does rockbox on a H10 w/MTP support flac by default? 05.46.55 # lymeca: get a real timezone ;) 05.47.08 # dnile: I believe so 05.47.14 # Heh, what does that mean? 05.47.31 # just copy files into the /music directory 05.47.43 # then update the database? 05.47.58 # dnile: exactly right 05.48.48 # hmm how about 24bit 96khz encoded flac? 05.48.58 Nick num1 is now known as num1_away (n=brian@c-68-63-193-45.hsd1.az.comcast.net) 05.49.15 # dnile: I think there may be some issues. Search the forums and tracker for "flac" 05.50.29 # dnile: the hardware is not capable of 24bit playback so it wouls use rockbox's (not-so-great) resampler...you are probably better off resampling on your computer for serious listening as well 05.51.33 # ok thanks, i just had some 24/96 flac files i wanted to try.. no worries!! 05.51.38 # is rockbox's flac decoder based on reference or ffmpeg's? 05.51.53 # Can anyone make sense of this? http://www.pastebin.ca/1083156 05.51.56 # because ffmpeg persistently fails to decode 24-bit flac correctly for me 05.52.37 # Unhelpful: ffmpeg's 05.54.02 Quit lymeca (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.54.08 # then, unless my problems are the result of some weird compilation error, it will likely not play those files correctly at all, regardless of the quality of the resampler 05.56.18 # looking at how this test plugin behaves, it would appear that calling pcm_play_data w/ a callback argument starts some thread (or other asynchronous process) that actually calls the callback. is that right? 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11.52.22 # i need help for my Archos Jukebox Studio 20 :( 11.53.25 # this is a english channel, so if tell us whats the problem in english, then maybe we could help.. :-) 11.53.57 Join obo [0] (n=robert@rockbox/developer/obo) 11.56.06 # when i switch on the archos, he poster "File .sys Error" 11.56.21 # That to make? 11.56.41 # ? and this archos is running rockbox ? 11.57.25 # No 11.58.40 # then we probably can not help much, this channel is for rockbox only. But did you check the disk for errors ? reinstall the firmware ? 11.59.09 # lymeca: Backup the contents of the FAT32 partition, use fdisk to delete that second partition, and re-create it using the same partition type and start location. Format the new partition and restore your data. You could then backup your new MBR and post it for others :) 12.00.16 # obo: You mean it's as simple as destroying parition number 2 (the FAT32 one) and recreating it to fill the rest of the disk? 12.00.31 # I thought the partition table in the MBR would tell it to be 20GB.... 12.02.03 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.02.51 # My archos has 40GB 12.03.14 # How i can format to FAT 32 ? 12.03.38 # lymeca: Are you using Linux? 12.04.15 # linuxstb: Yes, but I have access to a Windows machine. 12.04.25 # Abdel69120: are you lymeca ? i think this messages were not for you.. 12.04.39 # lymeca: For this job, Linux is better. 12.04.58 # linuxstb: Glad to hear it ;-) 12.05.00 # lymeca: Do you know how to use the command-line "fdisk" program ? 12.05.07 # I use Windows XP 12.05.07 # domonoky: No, we're different 12.05.14 # Sure do 12.05.59 # Oh wait, crap, my iPod isn't booting now 12.06.28 # lymeca: Then 1) Use the "p" option to display the current partition table 2) Delete the existing partition table and create a new one, with the same layout, but with the FAT32 partition taking the whole disk. 12.07.19 # I put the firmware on the Archos but it same 12.09.20 # linuxstb: It was working fine before, but now when turned on the hard drive spins down very loudly in exactly the same way about every second maybe 10-15 times then shows the unhappy iPod face 12.09.42 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@78-22-6-189.access.telenet.be) 12.09.49 # lymeca: What did you change? 12.10.17 # Hmm, nothing to my recollection. 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Check RockboxKernel f.e. 13.25.04 # domonoky: I think Nico_P and JdGordon did the cuesheet support - they may be able to help. But I think it's handled at the playback-engine level - if a file contains 5 3-minute songs, the codec treats it as a single 15-minute track 13.26.14 # domonoky: IIUC, the codecs that do currently support sub-songs just use hacks. Merging it with cuesheet support would be nice... 13.30.10 # hm, i am probably not up to the tasl to modify cuesheet handling... :-) i think i leave subsong handling for later, and continue with support for other asap formats :-) 13.30.19 # s/tasl/task 13.32.33 # the cuesheet code mostly changes the WPS display code actually 13.32.54 # it draws the track separators, and intercepts next and prev keypresses 13.33.35 # the parts in playback.c are for loading cuesheets 13.34.19 # I'm not sure it would be very useful for subtrack handling, unfortunately 13.34.50 # oki, and how does a codec handle this ? just treat all Subsongs as one long song, and fake a cuesheet for it ? :-) 13.36.14 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.37.49 # domonoky: Yes, that's what I was thinking... 13.39.37 Quit Abdel69120 ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]") 13.40.04 # the codec doesn't actually do anything in the case of cuesheets 13.40.26 # it's all handles by seeking in a big track 13.40.32 # *handled 13.41.23 # yeah, but i would have to simulate this "big track" because i have subsongs :-), and i have to somehow create the cuesheet.. 13.42.42 # hm, if i enter my metadata_parser, should the id3->path filed already be filled in ? 13.43.01 # s/filed/field 13.43.58 # or is there some otherway to get the extension of the file in the metadataparsers ? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.25.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.35.43 Quit GodEater_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.51.22 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 14.51.30 # domonoky: There are a couple of .tm8 files here - http://grayscale.scene.pl/ Do you need to support all those formats though? Isn't .sap the standard format? 14.52.32 # linuxstb: i dont need to support all those formats, but asap can decode it, so i only need to build metadata-parsers for them and test them.. 14.53.13 # The problem is that metadata parsers take up valuable core binary size - so I'm just questioning if they're worthwhile. 14.53.56 # I know nothing about Atari 8-bit music, so would probably just commit sap-only support, and then see if people complain... 14.55.00 # i also dont know much of Atari 8bit music, so... we could leave the other formats for later.. 14.55.17 # Yes, that would be my suggestion. 14.57.27 # BTW, when you commit, it might be nice to first commit the unmodified files from asap, and then commit the changes you made to for it to work with Rockbox - so they are in the SVN history. Other codecs also have a "README.rockbox" file describing things like license, and which version of the original codec was ported. 14.58.23 # yes, i have to clean up a bit before commiting.. 15.01.42 Quit Horschti ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 15.02.11 # domonoky: Looking at your metadata parser, the module_info struct looks like a waste of RAM... 15.02.32 # jup, it needs cleanup.. :-) 15.02.37 # There's also an "isdigit()" function which _may_ save on code size 15.03.19 # And the patch includes an unrelated change to apps/plugins/keybox.c... 15.04.49 Join Acheron [0] (n=chatzill@125-238-243-226.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) 15.05.02 # which build should i choose for an ipod classic 160gb? 15.05.21 # There isn't one - see www.rockbox.org for the devices Rockbox runs on. 15.05.35 # awww..... 15.05.40 # thanks anyway 15.06.00 # is there one coming up in the forseeable future? 15.06.07 # No 15.06.29 Quit Acheron (Client Quit) 15.07.26 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.08.20 # domonoky: You can also remove me from the (C) in metadata/sap.c... 15.09.11 # :-) 15.11.38 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 15.12.10 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.12.35 Quit Horscht (Remote closed the connection) 15.13.20 Quit DataGhost (Client Quit) 15.13.31 # linuxstb: why is the module_info struct a waste of ram ? it sits in the id3v2buf :-) 15.14.08 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 15.15.03 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.18.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.21.13 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsx155.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 15.22.33 # domonoky: Sorry, I misread - I thought it was a global variable... 15.22.45 # :-) 15.25.09 # * domonoky just posted his newest patch which now includes proper seeking and elapsed handling.. so only subsong handling is missing :-) 15.30.46 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 15.31.27 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.37.51 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 15.38.35 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 15.39.56 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 15.55.33 Join webguest63 [0] (n=ca4ab8e1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4ca0ba0e9a35dc0c) 15.56.41 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 16.01.07 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@lan-84-240-35-19.vln.skynet.lt) 16.01.33 # * domonoky gets 427% realtime with asap on a h120. same file on m:robe100 is 850% realtime.. 16.01.42 Quit obo ("bye") 16.09.40 # domonoky: IRAM... 16.10.23 # But I would resist the tempation to optimise until after it's committed... 16.10.26 # 427% is still good enough for a first start. We can optimise later.. 16.10.26 Quit webguest63 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.12.27 # linuxstb: can you take a look at my asap_codec5.patch file, and tell me if can spot things i should cleanup before commiting ? 16.12.33 # +you 16.15.02 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 16.15.21 # I dont know where this keybox changes come from.. :-/ ? 16.16.33 # domonoky: There are a few "//" comments in the metadata parser... 16.17.02 # And some more functions could be made "static" 16.17.42 # Try deleting your local copy of keybox.c, and then do "svn update" 16.19.31 # "No newline at end of file" in apps/codecs/asap/SOURCES 16.19.31 # or svn revert apps/plugins/keybox.c 16.21.44 # deleting and update worked, revert didnt.. :-) 16.23.21 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 16.27.11 # linuxstb: all done, anything else ? :-) 16.27.45 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.30.13 # It looks like there's some duplicated code in there, or it could be my fault because of left-overs from earlier patches 16.32.38 # For example functions parse_dec parse_text ASAP_ParseDuration in apps/metadata/asap.c and apps/codecs/asap/asap.c 16.34.09 # no, thats because i needed to extract the metadata parsing.. metadataparsers are in the core, codec is loaded dynamically.. 16.34.52 # that's still no reason to duplicate it IMO 16.35.12 # and i cleaned up and transformed them in this process... 16.35.41 # so most of the functions only look similar.. 16.37.12 # the ones I mentioned are identical 16.39.10 # nearly :-) i changed them to return a real bool.... original ASAP code is full of macros, so it compiles on C/C#/Java .. 16.41.40 # but yes, the metadata parser could be improved, but it works for now.. 16.42.26 # I think if we don't fix this now, it will never be fixed and stay duplicated 16.43.01 # but it's not that much code and I don't know the conventions used in other codecs 16.47.33 # Can't you remove the metadata parsing from the codec itself? 16.48.29 # Nope, the codec needs to parse again.. because it needs some of those values to init the emulator... 16.49.11 # and i dont want to change the codec it self if not really needed... 16.51.01 # and i can not use the info of the parser in the codec, because i cant call it from the metadata reading.. (because its in the codec) 16.56.53 # are these 3 functions really a problem ? 16.57.17 Join jac0b|w [0] (i=42200596@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-171225f001e05a9d) 17.00.35 # duplicate binary code is probably unavoidable, but can't you think of a way to at least prevent duplicate source code? 17.01.06 # I am not really the one to judge how much is too much, I haven't worked on any codecs myself yet 17.01.21 # i could rewrite those 3 functions, so they look different..but what does that help.. :-) 17.02.29 # domonoky: I wouldn't worry, at least for the first commit. Most codecs have duplicated metadata parsing the core and the codec... 17.03.06 # oki, so i will go on, and start first with an import of the original asap sources.. 17.08.30 # domonoky: Don't forget the original README 17.08.50 # And probably the CREDITS file would be nice as well 17.09.10 # how about COPYING ? 17.09.33 # its gplv2 shouldnt be needed right ? 17.09.40 # I'm not sure, but I would probably not include it. 17.15.51 Nick einhirn_ is now known as einhirn (n=Miranda@p5B032B3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.16.04 Quit jac0b|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.16.31 # commited... now i am watching the build table.. :-) 17.18.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.19.07 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.21.34 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-8-207-155.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 17.22.44 # domonoky: Did you forget the Makefile in apps/codecs/asap/ ? 17.23.27 # arg 17.23.33 # huh? rewriting? 17.25.22 # domonoky: And svn keywords? 17.26.28 # oh.. 17.26.41 # hm, which ones do i have to set.. ? 17.26.49 # The UsingSvn wiki page describes it 17.30.07 # do i set this keywords only on code, or on all text files ? 17.30.56 # On any text file you have added the $Id$ string to 17.32.28 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 17.33.07 # I receive the E270 from Froobi, looks like new, original sticker on the lcd 17.33.18 # the only thing is a different back case with an engraved REFURB 17.33.20 # the only thing is a different back case with an engraved REFURB 17.33.29 # it is a V1 version 01.02.18A 17.33.35 # rbutil, 2mn and running Rockbox :) 17.39.31 # oh, big binsize increase.. :-/ 17.40.25 # but maybe others can help with this.. :-) 17.42.44 # Why would a codec cause a binsize increase? 17.42.57 # metadata parsers ? 17.43.03 # Aah 17.53.53 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-165-020.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.03.05 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 18.09.17 # domonoky: It's possibly also related to padding - Rockbox has some structures that need to be aligned to 2KB boundaries 18.10.36 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c822f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-52ee36c8f4644767) 18.11.02 Nick JdGordon|uni is now known as JdGordon_ (i=d31c822f@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 18.11.06 # ah, so maybe its not my fault.. :-) 18.15.49 Join BlakeJohnson861 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 18.16.32 # domonoky: It may be your fault though ;) 18.16.53 # * domonoky is fine with a "maybe" :-) 18.24.37 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.27.21 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.32 Join rasher [0] (n=jonas@0x4dd45538.adsl.cybercity.dk) 18.30.41 # Hmm, can anyone tell why my quickscreen text color is orange? 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You need to flip the hold switch when the bootloader is active, not after that ... 18.53.48 # flipping the hold switch worked ?_? 18.53.49 # No need for google, just click on manual on the left site of the front page 18.54.17 # * bluefoxicy hasn't updated the rockbox firmware or bootloader since um. ... um ... i don't remember, it's been years 18.54.23 # if you enable hold _after_ the bootloader did its job the settings are cleared. 18.54.38 # and btw, the IpodFAQ is a really nice wiki page to look at ... 18.54.46 # has this always worked? 18.55.20 # almost. You could use Menu? or whatever button to boot to the OF earlier. 18.55.24 # I distinctly remember the only things I saw referencing the hold switch also say there's a boot-up menu where you select which firmware to run o.o 18.55.37 # er. 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Can someone please take a look at FS#9215 when they have a chance? 21.03.10 # It's a patch to fix a few of the missing strings in the tagalog language file. 21.03.44 # does RB work with audio formats like flac and ape? 21.03.59 # tehpaper: Yes, it does. 21.04.26 # But APE is very slow on most players. 21.07.00 # good 21.07.27 # sandisk player gets here mid week gotta convert it over 21.07.42 # does RB do multiple playlists? 21.07.54 # tehpaper: check the SoundCodecs wiki page 21.07.59 # k 21.07.59 # and the FAQ :) 21.08.24 # WhyRockbox should also cover your last question 21.10.06 Quit hannesd (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 21.12.55 # wow 17 to 21 hours of battery 21.12.57 # nice 21.13.45 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 21.14.46 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.15.30 Join zeleftikam [0] (n=zeleftik@24-241-227-151.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) 21.15.54 # hi! 21.18.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.24.34 # * peachtoast is going for now 21.24.57 Quit peachtoast ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.24.59 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3dc7f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b61bf52e677698e2) 21.25.57 # Hello. This might have been already discussed but I'll ask once more. Why aren't metadata parsers implemented as codecs, i.e. why aren't they dynamically loaded? 21.26.48 # Nico_P: any news about the two WPS related patches (FS#9197 and FS#8965)? 21.27.49 # fml, I don't know, maybe it's too slow 21.29.26 # bertrik: with further formats the bin size will grow. And this is assymetrical: the codecs are loaded and parsers are static. 21.29.54 # The bin size isn't the main concern for me. 21.30.59 # fml: well, how about the database? It also needs to parse metadata 21.35.29 # bluebrother: it could load the parsers dynamically as well. This would be slow of course. But the DB could first process all .mp3 then all .ogg etc to minimize loading/unloading. 21.36.24 # Because once the metadata is parsed the parsers aren't needed anymore. Even for the database. 21.38.11 # I think it's an interesting idea. There may be practical problems. I can imagine that only one codec can be active at one time, so you cannot update the database and play a song at the same time. 21.38.53 # the properties plugin also needs the metadata parser. But of course this could be moved into the pluginlib 21.39.32 # why not load a plugin containing all parsers? That would make the database work. But OTOH no plugin could get used the same time then. 21.39.53 # also, I see the problem that loading the metadata plugin requires a disk spinup ... 21.41.07 # well you want to parse a file right, so it's probably already spun up or will have to spin up to read the file 21.41.42 Join junner5181 [0] (n=Bud@c-75-68-40-38.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) 21.42.00 # true, but you'd need to load the metadata plugin each time you're rebuffering. And if you have a plugin running the same time this won't work. 21.42.17 # bluebrother: all parsers will probably not fit into one plugin. I'd say this should be the third kind of dynamically loaded code (besides codecs and plugins). If two parsers fit into the parser buffer then two can be active at the same time. 21.42.30 Part junner5181 21.42.50 # They must be linked so that they can run at different adresses. 21.43.13 # bluebrother: if the parser is already loaded then there's no need to load it again. 21.43.13 # fml: I'm pretty sure currently all code runs from fixed addresses. 21.43.52 # so this would be a major change. 21.43.54 # I think most music collections are quite homogenous. i.e. the contain few different file formats 21.44.11 # I don't know quite how you can say that 21.44.19 # bluebrother: ok, then only one parser at a time. 21.44.22 # TI may well be true, but who knows? 21.44.24 # true, but what are those few formats? I guess this usually depends on the user. 21.44.30 # s/TI/It/ 21.45.07 # bluebrother: sure it depends on the user. But for each user, not many load/unloads will be necessary. 21.45.54 # E.g. my collection is 99% mp3. So the mp3 parser will be loaded and will sit there all the time ready to work. 21.46.01 # still, I'm not convinced the added code complexity is worth it. If those stuff gets a new dynamically loaded code fragment the handling for this fragment will be needed. 21.46.16 # are the metadata parsers that large? 21.47.07 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 21.47.08 # 110 kB of source code in apps/metadata 21.47.30 # each one is probably not large. But together... And it's an assymetry: codecs are configured via a file (file extension -> codec) but parsers are not 21.47.56 # configured via a file? I don't understand. 21.48.35 # looking at the asap metadata thing I tend to believe quite some functionality could be similar to other metadata parsers, i.e. there is some code duplication. 21.48.35 # a codec file 21.49.30 # I still don't get the "configured" part 21.51.09 # I see there's a metadata_common.c source file, common stuff could be moved there 21.51.29 # bluebrother: isn't there a file where codecs are registered? I.e. what codec should be used to decode a certain extension? Or is it hard coded? 21.51.37 # meh, reverse engineering 21.51.55 # fml: don't know, need to check ... 21.52.59 # Actually, I also don't know for sure. But how else is it resolved? 22.03.44 # * bluebrother just found a code duplication in metadata.c 22.04.15 Join lude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.04.43 # or does someone know why ogg and speex metadata is handled in separate cases even if the code is identical? 22.06.10 Join Toki_ [0] (n=hsdbvlkb@gateimb.imb.lebedev.ru) 22.06.58 Quit Toki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.10 # bluebrother, what's the duplication? 22.08.09 # there are two cases for speex and ogg metadata, but both are calling the same function. There even is a comment telling ogg also handles speex ... 22.08.15 # fixing right now. 22.08.15 # the two separate case statements in metadata.c lines 139, 147 22.08.23 # yep. 22.08.39 # oh, that's hardly duplication IMO 22.09.05 # well, I made it one case and has a binsize decrease for rockbox.ipod, so ... 22.12.09 # let's see what the size delta table tells 22.12.42 Nick lude187 is now known as dude187 (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.12.43 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180071251.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.14.00 # bluebrother: have you found how the codec for a file is determined? 22.14.23 # not yet. 22.15.36 # There's a wiki page that explains some about that: HowToWriteCodecs 22.15.52 # I have to go. It was a nice talk! 22.16.00 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 22.18.40 Quit dude187 (Remote closed the connection) 22.19.42 Join dude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.20.37 # interesting. I found a clear binsize diff when trying on mini2g but the build server doesn't agree with this and reports 0 :O 22.22.08 # ah: the delta table was outdated. Now there is a green delta! 22.23.07 # seems there is only an effect on arm targets. Well. 22.23.29 # * bluebrother guesses this has something to do with compiler versions and optimization switches 22.27.05 Quit massiveH (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.29.53 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 22.32.49 Nick num1_away is now known as num1 (n=brian@c-68-63-193-45.hsd1.az.comcast.net) 22.33.52 Join zeleftikam_ [0] (n=zeleftik@24-241-227-151.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) 22.35.19 # hmm. Trying to play a sap file on my mini immediately resulted in a data abort :( Trying mr100 ... 22.39.20 Quit massiveH ("time to upgrade") 22.39.26 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 22.39.48 Quit rasher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.43.15 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.44.35 Join rasher [0] (n=jonas@0x4dd45538.adsl.cybercity.dk) 22.46.23 # hmm, the database chokes on sap files 22.48.13 # domonoky: if I have auto-update of the database enabled the system crashes almost immediately after startup (given that I have sap files on my player). Without autoupdate it crashes when I try to play a sap file - data abort at 0x0004409c (0). Reproduceable on all arm targets I tried. 22.48.25 # is anyone available to help me troubleshoot Rockbox installation on a Sansa C250? 22.48.35 # Just ask 22.48.43 # zeleftikam_: what's your problem? 22.48.49 # BigBambi: sorry 22.48.59 # not a problem :) 22.49.04 Quit zeleftikam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.49.06 # bluebrother: I used the rbutilqt application on Mac OS X to install Rockbox 22.49.18 # domonoky: so I think it's a metadata parser issue ... 22.49.35 # installation appeared to succeed, but when I restart the device, the Sandisk startup screen flashes repeatedly 22.49.56 # what installation method did you use? full install? 22.50.00 # eventually i get a screen of text from Rockbox saying something about reverting to the OEM firmware, then it boots into the OEM environment 22.50.04 # bluebrother: yes, full install 22.50.15 # "Complete Installation" 22.51.02 # this is my very first time with Rockbox. I'm really excited about it (it's the reason I bought this device) but I can't seem to get it going 22.51.34 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.51.39 Join bluebrother [0] (n=Dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.52.09 # bluebrother: welcome back :) 22.52.20 # thanks :) Stupid network dropout ... 22.52.34 # back to your issue: you're sure your sansa isn't a v2 model? 22.52.44 Quit sitwon (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.52.55 # If he sees the bootloader it can't be 22.53.11 # Which I assume is what he is seeing in eventually i get a screen of text from Rockbox saying something about reverting to the OEM firmware, then it boots into the OEM environment 22.53.38 # if you turn off the player, then connect usb, what happens? 22.54.50 # i get the white text on black background for a moment, it says loading the default firmware, then the Sandisk environment loads, and it connects to the computer 22.55.07 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 22.56.23 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.56.41 # ok. Can you check if the folder ".rockbox" (note the leading dot) exists on the player? 22.56.51 # os x will hide this folder by default. 22.57.19 # DPG5:Sansa c250 2 zeleftikam$ ls 22.57.20 # MUSIC PLAYLISTS SYSTEM tmp 22.57.20 # PHOTO RECORD VERSION.TXT version.sdk 22.57.31 # it appears to not be present, at least at the root directory 22.57.36 # it is hidden 22.57.38 # you need to ls -a 22.57.41 # ooh 22.57.41 # ls won't show it if it's hidden 22.57.59 # DPG5:Sansa c250 2 zeleftikam$ ls -a 22.57.59 # . .Trashes MUSIC RECORD tmp 22.58.00 # .. ._.Trashes PHOTO SYSTEM version.sdk 22.58.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK zeleftikam_ 22.58.00 # .Spotlight-V100 .fseventsd PLAYLISTS VERSION.TXT 22.58.18 # ok, for some reason the .rockbox folder is missing. Thats the problem. 22.58.33 # maybe i need to attempt a manual installation 22.58.39 # please try "install Rockbox" from the rbutil install tab 22.58.55 # you already have the bootloader, so you can skip that. 22.58.59 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 22.58.59 # ok 22.59.10 # btw, am I right assuming you're using rbutil m1.0.6? 22.59.21 # yes, 1.0.6 22.59.26 # just downloaded this afternoon 22.59.46 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-44c12456.dyn.optonline.net) 22.59.49 # dang, then there is still an issue with full install, at least on os x :( 23.00.03 # okay. the utility said that Rockbox installed successfully after running Install Rockbox under the Installation tab 23.00.10 # should i disconnect and reboot the device now? 23.00.25 # yep, but you might check for .rockbox first just to make sure ;-) 23.01.04 # it's not there. 23.01.23 # now it's getting strange. Is the mountpoint correct? 23.01.52 # Maybe not. I've disconnected the device several times, and every time i do, it changes the name of the volume 23.02.01 # for example, now it's "Sansa c250 2" 23.02.06 # as seen in the path when i did ls 23.02.35 # the utility was still set to "Sansa c250 1" 23.02.45 # I changed it to 2, installed again 23.02.47 # now let's see 23.02.50 Part num1 23.02.59 # NOW we have .rockbox ;-) 23.03.05 # ah :) 23.03.35 # rbutil will install even if the mountpoint set is incorrect as there is no portable way to tell if the path is correct. 23.03.57 # it's quite useful during debugging but unfortunately can also cause issues :/ 23.04.16 # right. the name of the volume might be incrementing each time i connect the device because i haven't been unmounting it before disconnecting 23.04.41 # it appears to run Rockbox now. The Sansa boot image flashes twice, then I get the Rockbox splash screen and the Rockbox environment =D 23.04.45 # well, you always should unmount first. Otherwise some data might not be written completely to disk 23.05.47 # Yeah. I'm bad. 23.06.11 # well, you most likely will stop doing it once you trashed some important data ;-) 23.06.48 # haha. yeah. 23.06.57 # alright mate. well thanks very much for your help! 23.07.02 # are you a rockbox developer? 23.07.10 # you're welcome 23.07.25 # I'm working on Rockbox Utility 23.07.40 # ah, the application i just used to install Rockbox? 23.08.29 # right. Unfortunately we don't have anybody working on it on os x, so this platform is a bit problematic to check. 23.09.07 # fortunately, Qt (the toolkit we use) allows us to compile the same code as for linux with only minimal modifications. 23.09.12 # ah. 23.09.24 # it works pretty well. i'm glad it exists! 23.09.27 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 23.09.40 # you know how mac users don't like to "install" stuff by hand 23.09.42 # :P 23.10.29 # hehe, windows users doing manual installs can be quite ... support-intensive :) 23.11.40 Quit sarixe ("Ex-Chat") 23.12.12 # do you know if HCSD will now be supported on this device? (Sansa C200 series) 23.12.33 # yes, rockbox supports it, the OF gets confused by it 23.12.41 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.13.00 # super 23.13.14 # you need to use a card reader to write to the card, or use Rockbox' CnP functionality 23.13.30 # (write = transfer songs to the card) 23.13.43 # ah, you're saying I can't mount the card via the device on my computer? 23.14.00 # not using the e200 for now 23.14.02 # you can do this, but not using the internal card slot of the sansa. 23.14.12 # As the Sansa firmware doesn't understand it 23.14.25 # this is because usb transfers are handled by the OF, and that ... well BigBambi beat me :) 23.14.30 # ah :) 23.14.46 # BigBambi: you said not on e200. i am using c200. make any difference? 23.14.50 # nope 23.14.57 # ok. 23.14.58 # I just couldn't remember which you had :) 23.15.05 # c200 are actually very similar w.r.t. hardware 23.15.12 # c200 and e200 23.15.22 # the display is more blocky 23.15.44 # ah ok 23.16.16 # welp, i'm going to scoot 23.16.24 # thanks very much for all the help and question answering 23.16.30 # keep up the good work! rockbox is amazing 23.16.35 # <3 23.16.58 Quit zeleftikam_ () 23.18.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.18.51 # 17:07:05, 61625, 000%, 00:00, 3290, 0001, -, - 23.19.01 # ? 23.19.04 # last line from the battery bench.txt 23.19.15 # ah 23.19.39 # 10-disc symphony set in q6 Vorbis 23.20.01 # sansa e200 23.20.14 # ok, post it on the SansaRuntime wiki 23.20.38 # I need to ask for write privileges in here don't I? 23.20.59 # yep. You need to give us your wiki name for that 23.21.21 # observation: -15 is too loud for sitting at the computer but still a tad too quiet when walking home from work 23.21.34 Join zeleftikam [0] (n=zeleftik@24-241-227-151.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) 23.21.34 # NickTryon 23.22.15 # bluebrother: i figured out what the problem is with the install utility on mac os x 23.22.24 # I'm planning to repeat this test a couple times with other formats 23.22.34 # i have another virgin Sansa C2x0 player here that i just installed RB on 23.22.42 # zeleftikam: great. 23.23.02 # when you perform the one-step install, the device unmounts and remounts after installing the bootloader 23.23.34 Quit vort3x (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.23.41 # then when it attempts to install the rockbox firmware, it's doing it to the wrong directory because the device has changed to /Volumes/Sansa C240 1 23.23.43 # q8 Vorbis, V2 and V0 LAME mp3 (and possibly compare with the OF), possibly FLAC... 23.23.51 # as opposed to /Volumes/Sansa C240 23.23.53 # which of these would be most desirable to do first? 23.24.19 # ...before I get tired of listening to Bruckner symphonies on repeat and have to take a break from it 23.24.24 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 23.24.29 # Dhraakellian: ok, done. 23.25.10 # zeleftikam: that's kinda nasty ... will notice it to the RockboxUtility wiki page and check how we can fix that for the next release 23.25.45 # Dhraakellian, there's no hurry in testing so pick your own preferred order. I think it would be nice to have all test settings exactly the same (except for the codec of course_ 23.26.18 # great. good luck! FYI, i am experiencing this on a Power Macintosh G5 dual-processor 1.8Ghz running Mac OS X 10.5.4 with the Sansa C240 and C250 plugged into the front-panel USB port 23.26.23 # bertrik: before the next time I update Rockbox? 23.26.27 Quit Thundercloud_ (Connection timed out) 23.26.45 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.26.45 # * Dhraakellian was thinking that 23.26.47 # (maybe the way volumes are managed after being dis/reconnected like this is a function of an operating system revision) 23.29.26 # zeleftikam: ok, noted the issue. The problem is that os x requires the player to be unmounted for bootloader installation. On linux this is not necessary, making things somewhat easier. 23.29.40 # Dhraakellian, yes, if possible I would also keep the rockbox version the same. But eventually every result is interesting enough to put in the wiki. 23.29.51 # bluebrother: makes sense. 23.30.53 # Dhraakellian, did you have to patch battery bench to make it work with e200? 23.31.04 # yes 23.32.40 # I used the batt_bench_v3 patch 23.33.09 # maybe reverting the order of the installation is an option. OTOH if bootloader install fails there's no point in installing Rockbox itself. And bootloader installation is the more critical part 23.33.24 # from FS#8070 23.33.46 # and, dangit... 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