--- Log for 28.07.108 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.14 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.02.48 Quit Zarggg (Client Quit) 00.03.41 Join andash [0] (n=andash@209.20.72.38) 00.04.52 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! 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01.44.44 # don't worry, i#m not here to nag :P 01.44.48 # andrewbeveridge: i'm here 01.44.51 # hey 01.45.15 # is there any way the id3 tags could make a difference to the way the file is treated? 01.45.31 # if theres a bug in our id3 parser, sure 01.45.46 # but surely that wouldn't be WMA-specific? 01.45.46 # we don't always handle tags correctly for all formats, though i think mp3 handling is pretty good 01.45.56 # well wma files can't have id3 tags 01.45.56 # ah right ok 01.46.25 # they use asf tags or whatever they're called 01.47.00 # ok i see... just, the reported bitrate by the faulty files is always in the *thousands* rather than the correct (~70 kbps) 01.48.33 # reported by what? 01.49.09 # any music client I have tried reading the files with 01.50.15 # theres no video stream ? 01.50.37 # hmmm? 01.51.07 # if an asf file reports that the bitrate is 1000s of kbps, i'd assume it was audio + video 01.53.12 # well, based on the 2 MB filesize, correct seeking, and lack of any video output when renamed to .asf and launched in vlc....? 01.53.42 # how long is it? 01.54.36 # well, the example file in the bug I submitted http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9205 is 3:56 long, and is 1.2 MB 01.55.21 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 01.55.38 # ah didn't realize it was that file 01.56.04 # i don't know how the bitrate is calculated, but its probably in one of the ASF headers 01.56.24 # i don't think the decoder cares about the bitrate though 01.56.29 # well, see when I am referring to the faulty *files* I am talking about thousands of tracks witht the same properties, same encoder, same bitrate 01.56.36 # ok 01.56.37 # sure 01.58.51 # not sure if this helps, but if I re-encode the faulty files using the same encoder, but using CBR WMA rather than VBR WMA they work fine on rockbox 02.03.04 # thats interesting... the faulty (VBR) files report format as "wmav2" whereas the working ones are "wmadmo" 02.07.13 Quit andrewbeveridge ("CGI:IRC") 02.07.16 Join andrewbeveridge [0] (n=586fcb1a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b9ca6379b8c2f693) 02.12.07 Quit madspin (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 02.16.27 # just wondering, is there any way I can change the category of a Bug in flyspray? 02.17.26 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB3505.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.17.47 # andrewbeveridge: you might need to be an admin, but i can change it for you want 02.18.26 Join webguest32 [0] (n=187be7e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aded23d5e4f34e58) 02.18.39 Quit webguest32 (Client Quit) 02.18.41 # ok thanks, just I somehow put that bug in "Applications" rather than (I presume the correct) "Codecs" 02.18.45 Join n9xvt [0] (n=187be7e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-15ea4e8b5e23c65b) 02.18.47 # Does anyone object to this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/LangFiles?rev1=47;rev2=46 ? 02.20.23 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.21.31 # ok i changed the status, but i wouldn't worry too much since linuxstb and I already know about it 02.22.42 # sure, but last time I was here I was told to submit a bug :) 02.22.50 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8be49264b5b92898) 02.24.02 # fixes to fonts,,wont dispay goup name queensryche (dots above the y)?also real time clock keeps going corrupt? sansa c240 02.26.19 # saratoga: ok looks like I got mixed up - tracks coded with the windows audio converter program seem to be encoded using the DMO-based WMA encoder, hence are not playable with rockbox, whereas the ones which do not report "wmadmo" as their codec seem playable 02.26.28 # which makes sense 02.26.59 Quit sitwon (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.27.21 # andrewbeveridge: ok good to know 02.27.57 # if I find a difference with a file using "svn diff filename.c" why wouldn't i be able to revert it with "svn revert filename.c"? 02.29.23 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 02.30.40 # is it just some players with wma isses? 02.31.14 # they are fine on my sansa 02.31.33 # i don't think theres any specific players with wma issues 02.32.05 # n9xvt: does this file: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9205?getfile=16999 work on your player? 02.32.19 # ( i would greatly appreciate you testing it :) ) 02.32.24 # hang on,,i'll test 02.32.28 # thanks 02.33.20 # if you want to test files, the sim makes the most sense sicne you can at least see the error messages 02.33.42 # good point i guess 02.37.15 # plays but skips around,,, 02.37.45 # also reports it as 64 k bit 02.38.20 # ok so plays badly, like the recording. oh well at least that proves it isn't player/hardware specific. thanks :) 02.38.39 # it technically is around 64kbps 02.38.42 # it is VBR 02.39.05 # ok 02.39.17 Join Bensawsome [0] (i=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.39.25 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 02.41.09 # i am enjoying this software,,but will be glad to see these bugs my player seems to have go away,,, 02.41.25 # what sort of bugs? 02.41.36 # fixes to fonts,,wont dispay goup name queensryche (dots above the y)?also real time clock keeps going corrupt? sansa c240 02.41.59 # n9xvt: I doubt that's a font problem 02.42.02 # have you downloaded the fotns package? 02.42.09 # Unless it's only the ÿ that doesn't display 02.42.59 # side-question ; does rockbox support unicode characters in filenames and/or tags? 02.43.01 # yes,,just the y,,and as far as i know i have everything this site has to offer,, 02.43.13 # andrewbeveridge: yes 02.43.17 # thanks 02.43.22 # n9xvt: Which font are you using? 02.44.49 # let me check,,i'll have to disc. and restart it,, 02.45.48 # i just loaded the latest build and fonts on it with the utility,, 02.48.04 # go to theme settings->browse fonts and select unifont, see if the problem persists? 02.48.27 # this may be an error on mi part? i havn't changed the font but am using the gsx theme? 02.48.44 # Then you did change the font. 02.49.23 # Where did you get that theme? 02.49.49 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.50.14 # rock box utility,,extras,,themes 02.50.43 # Well, it includes its own font it seems. Not much we can do about that. Blame the theme author 02.51.09 # ok non-problem with the uni-font,,mi bad? 02.51.12 # oes anyone remember what " error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory" means I've forggoten to do 02.52.00 # well, if the unifont displays all correctly the problem is with whatever font the them you select uses. Each theme has it's own font. Simply change the font to one which you like, and works, after applying the theme. 02.54.02 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.54.47 # saratoga: isn't rockboxlogo.h auto generated in each build? 02.54.53 # (i know nothing ;)) 02.57.57 # proportional font,, is good 02.58.19 # saratoga: http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:rockbox.org/irc/+rockboxlogo.h 03.00.52 # rasher: the match is me asking that question 03.01.41 # Great 03.01.54 # saratoga: methinks it could be some kind of a bug in the makefile? 03.02.26 # saratoga: Maybe too high -j setting? 03.06.55 Join micr0c0sm [0] (n=jdehan@ool-45714941.dyn.optonline.net) 03.07.13 # are there any issues with navigating folders that start with "..." ? 03.10.52 # micr0c0sm: There shouldn't be - what are you experiencing? 03.11.11 # I was just wondering, I haven't tried it yet (copying over the files now) 03.11.19 # but when I ls in linux they dont show up 03.11.25 # unless I ls | grep \.\.\. 03.11.35 # maybe once it is on the fat filesystem there wont be any problem 03.11.52 # That's because files beginning with a . are treated as hidden 03.12.18 # Rockbox does the same, but I don't know if it does the same for files starting with multiple dots 03.12.38 # and I thought .. means go up a directory too 03.12.46 # but we will see in a few minutes if there is an issue or not 03.12.47 # rasher: I'm pretty sure it does still 03.13.05 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 03.13.58 # Maybe some cleverness is in order? 03.15.53 # um, can anybody figure out what the difference is between these two files? http://88.111.203.26/music/index.php?dir=Rockbox%20Debugging 03.16.49 # Converted using the same program, same format, same audio, same bitrate, almost same file size, yet one plays perfectly and one skips. (In VLC and Rockbox) 03.17.15 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 03.18.01 # andrewbeveridge: if I knew what was broken, I'd be able to fix this bug pretty easily . . . 03.19.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.19.56 # How can they be the same but have different sizes? 03.20.02 # yeah, thats what i'm trying to figure out - I mean, when I have two files sooooo similar, and one fails, really all that we need to do is figure out what is different between them, then I'm sure you will be able to solve the problem 03.20.15 # um, they obviously aren't exactly the same 03.20.19 # you're not going to be able to figure that out 03.20.34 # saratoga: why not? 03.20.45 # because you don't know how the codec works 03.20.54 # yeah, good point. 03.21.09 # if one could get"inside" and look at the codes,, 03.21.20 # the difference isn't something you can find other then by looking at the code and running the files through it a lot 03.22.49 # its all kinda over my head. I want to learn but I think I would have to do a sound engineering course before I even had a clue about audio compression, codecs and such. I'm limited to programming database-driven websites lol 03.23.28 # computer engineering 03.23.37 # codecs actually have nothing to do with sound 03.24.01 # so, the audio out in sbagen.c is mostly stuff i figured out from one mail list message, and looking at mpegplayer. i seem to be missing something, though. does anybody know why it's silent unless i've adjusted the volume or played a track? patch is in https://looking-glass.us/~chshrcat/rockbox/ 03.24.41 # saratoga: really? surely the varied methods/qualities of compression must require some knowledge of the waveforms etc? 03.25.10 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 03.25.16 # is'nt the codec jut an "intepeter" between player and hardware? 03.26.56 # andrewbeveridge: for designing a codec, yes. Writing the code for an already existing codec, not so much 03.27.02 # andrewbeveridge: thats basically what computer/electrical engineering is 03.27.39 # andrewbeveridge: really, writing a decoder is a matter of following a specification. writing a good encoder for a format from scratch, or designing a new format, that's harder 03.27.43 # n9xvt: thats one meaning yes, but we're refering to decoders here that convert compressed audio into pcm 03.28.54 # anyone here upgrade thier 5g 60gb hard drive? 03.31.24 # saratoga: ah, ok - see, I was kinda getting confused with software engineering. 03.31.50 # Unhelpful: yeah, I guess, except WMA doesn't have any spec available 03.33.45 Join Freddo_Frog [0] (n=chatzill@CPE-121-222-18-78.qld.bigpond.net.au) 03.34.10 # Hey all 03.35.51 # I have a Question 03.35.56 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.57 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-253-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.09 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-253-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.40 # in case anyone was wondering, one way to create the rockboxlogo.h error is to not include a keymap file for your target 03.37.17 # andrewbeveridge: i'm sure MS has one somewhere, but yeah, we have to figure it out. pretty much :/ 03.37.40 # wow, i actually like the ipod mini themes better than the ones for my 5g :( 03.38.16 # I was looking to buy a MP3 Player, and i was wondering what the best choice is if i want to solely use rockbox 03.38.50 # Freddo_Frog: theres a buyers guide in the wiki 03.39.01 # i know but that does not include near complete ports 03.39.08 # all of those players are old 03.39.42 # "Near Complete" is meaningless. 03.39.49 # old != bad 03.39.51 # Freddo_Frog: I, personally would say choose an iPod 5G 03.40.06 # andrew i have looked into those and they are all about 400 03.40.07 # Until a port is complete, it can seem nearly done and have months and months and months to go, or it can seem like it's far from done, and a chance discovery allows it to be working in a few weeks 03.40.11 # andrewbeveridge: i wouldnt... 03.40.24 # andrewbeveridge: Frankly, the 5G/5.5G are the worst performing Rockbox target. 03.40.28 # indeed 03.40.39 # i was going to go with the cowon X5L 03.40.53 # i know people who seem pretty happy w/ gigabeat F 03.41.10 # pretty much the only viable upcoming port at this point is the Gigabeat S 03.41.17 # i was thinking about that 03.41.20 # the gigabeat S 03.41.22 # ey 03.41.22 # The Gigabeat S is the only one likely to work "well" with rockbox any time soon. 03.41.23 # ah ok, I guess it depends what you want to use it for primarily though 03.41.27 # the rest are too far away to be worth looking at, and even the S needs work 03.41.30 # Music 03.41.39 # i'm happy w/ my S, *but* it only charges in OF right now, and you need a paper clip or such to get back to rockbox from OF 03.41.43 # The Cowon D5 has some potential, but some quirks that really stand in the way (managing its internal flash) 03.41.51 # It'll most likely end up requiring a memory card for regular use. 03.41.54 # D2 you mean? 03.42.00 # Freddo_Frog: what format? 03.42.00 # Yeah, D2 03.42.04 # Damn numpad. 03.42.11 # Llorean: i currently own one of those and i haxedve it rockbo 03.42.15 # oops 03.42.45 # andrewbeveridge: ogg and mp3 03.44.38 # i'm pretty with my sansa,, 03.45.11 # pretty happy that is,, 03.45.16 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.45.19 # i was looking for either HDD based or large Flash like 16 - 32 GB that is 03.46.26 # Llorean: What is so bad about the iPod 5G then? (I know nothing) 03.46.46 # andrewbeveridge: Slow processor + Large screen. 03.47.03 # Basically UI performance and drawing performance are generally poor because of the giant screen 03.47.15 # and although pretty much all the iPods use the same processor, the others have smaller screens so show better UI performance 03.47.27 # As an end-user, I have had no issues with rockbox in the past two years with my 60g 5g 03.47.28 # Because the WPS must be updated, codec performance may be poorer too. 03.47.35 # WPS? 03.47.39 # While Playing Screen 03.47.43 # but a smaller screen would be better for battery life, probably 03.47.44 # ahhh i see 03.48.10 # micr0c0sm: Well, generally speaking, the batteries in smaller screen players are also smaller 03.48.11 # does it look like the Toshiba Gigabeat S will be cmopleted? 03.48.24 # I should run that battery test script 03.48.27 # Freddo_Frog: I'd give it >80% chance. 03.48.45 # i would not get it until october 03.48.46 # It's quite usable as is, and the main thing missing is charging. 03.48.59 # Llorean: ok what about the nano then? (ignoring massive difference in storage capacity due to flash memory) 03.49.11 # andrewbeveridge: Nano is *much* better over all 03.49.16 # jhmikes said he had that working, aside from some minor issues 03.49.20 # ah ok 03.49.27 # S charging, that is 03.49.37 # Unhelpful: Yes, but who knows when he'll have time to work those out. :) 03.49.41 # i dont get how it could not charge. i thought charging was HDD not softwarew 03.49.49 # hardware that is 03.50.12 # the S charger apparently needs to be told to charge. even from the AC adaptor. :/ 03.50.22 # so you cant charge it when it is off? 03.50.55 # Nope 03.51.02 # hmm 03.51.09 # You can't charge most players while off. 03.51.47 # would it be able to be mounted under linux as removable storage? 03.52.17 # yes 03.52.18 # is there some way to remove a file from version control without deleting it? 03.52.41 # is there a chance that there will be a rockbox hardware player? 03.52.52 # saratoga: Why? 03.52.59 # Freddo_Frog: Not realistically, no. 03.53.07 # it is a good project i think 03.53.24 # Apparently not good enough, since too few people are contributing. 03.53.27 # Freddo_Frog: not unless someone with a clue comes forward and does it 03.53.30 # Llorean: the nano charging is definitely hardware based - even when the flash drive was dd if=/dev/zeroed it charged fine from the USB cable and Mains charger 03.53.31 # because SVN is terrible and i need to remove and readd some files to it so that it will recognize them 03.53.51 # well what if a hardware vendor wanted to use it as the original firmware on there hardware? 03.54.18 # that wuld be awesome! 03.54.23 # i know 03.54.54 # the rockbox player project suffers from being a terrible idea 03.55.02 # saratoga: what do you mean? 03.55.08 # andrewbeveridge: and disk mode still worked, etc...the ipods have certain functions in flash that do not depend on the state of the hard drive 03.55.25 # saratoga: it isnt too bad...just depends on what is done with it 03.55.47 # Freddo_Frog: while that might be "awesome" i dont see the point in saying "what-if..." 03.56.08 # i wouldn't count on that what-if happening soon 03.56.21 # andrewbeveridge: What is that supposed to prove? 03.56.25 # if it does, it does...if it doesnt, then i doesnt... 03.56.28 # scorche: ah, good point... so are you saying the charging was still presumably handled by the read only flash firmware? 03.56.56 # how do i blow away a corrupt SVN entry and readd it 03.57.03 # remove seems to fail 03.57.07 # they could offer a rockbox version and a OF version 03.57.16 # Llorean: that charging has nothing to do with firmware on the nano.. but clearly scorche just out-knowledged me :) 03.57.19 # andrewbeveridge: what is the point of this discussion?...the gigabeat S is a totally separate device 03.57.39 # Freddo_Frog: huh? 03.57.47 # like dell offers windows and linux 03.57.53 # andrewbeveridge: Well, "hardware controlled" invariably means "software controlled" at some point, because eventually there's logic to protect from overcharging. 03.58.36 # i don't think pure hardware lipoly chargers actually exist 03.59.08 # it is a bit complicated... 03.59.15 # scorche: um not sure - i went off topic, i guess. 03.59.40 # maybe if the vendor got enough requests they could use rockbox as the original firmware 04.00.16 # Freddo_Frog: let me know how that turns out...i still dont see the point in discussing whatever you are trying to discuss... 04.00.24 # sorry 04.00.47 # Freddo_Frog: not gonna happen. 1) Rockbox hasn't got nearly enough publicity. 2) Rockbox will never be stable. 04.01.33 # * scorche sighs 04.01.38 # 2 is probably not a good thing to say in this channel 04.01.59 # i dont see how it is not stable 04.02.15 # andrewbeveridge: it certainly is stable enough for me...if you are seeing bugs that i am not, i hope they are at least in flyspray... 04.02.27 # me either,, 04.02.38 # Freddo_Frog: i believe saratoga might mean in terms of the code being a moving target 04.02.58 # either way, what use would discussing this be? 04.02.58 # regular updates 04.03.04 # regular updates 04.03.16 # many commercial developers like their APIs frozen, or at least frosty 04.03.42 # if a manufacturer decides to use rockbox, then they do, but i dont see a point in discussing this hypothetical 04.03.58 # i am sure that if it was put to the vendors some1 would snatit upch 04.04.14 # No, I'm not seeing bugs - but for any supposed "vendor" to take software on, it would have to be widely adopted and tested. Rockbox is perfect in my opinion but I doubt it would ever be classed as "stable" with new bugs being found regularly. 04.04.19 # if you are so sure, then doo it.. 04.04.27 # what email them? 04.04.37 # i dont know and dont really care... 04.04.37 # go ahead 04.04.41 # i will 04.05.07 # scorche: bad mood? I'm sorry if I have offended in any way o.O 04.05.24 # andrewbeveridge: There's just a bad habit of people not bothering to report bugs. 04.05.31 # They always seem to assume that if they see them, we all see them. 04.07.12 # Llorean: ah, ok. Just to clarify - by my less-than tactful statement "2)", I wasn't implying I had had any problems, I was meaning when bugs *are* being reported, it could never be classed as "Stable". 04.07.42 # andrewbeveridge: No offense intended, but that's silly. I know commercial software that's much buggier than Rockbox. Several OF's included. 04.08.07 # I'd imagine if a vendor were interested in it, they'd just pick one of our numbered releases, where bugs are documented already, and adjust it to their needs. 04.08.13 # But nobody seems interested in this, so it's irrelevant. 04.08.36 # there isnt much point in discussing this as a hypothetical 04.09.52 # yeah. point taken. I shall shut up :) 04.11.09 Quit jhulst__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.13.05 # can sd cards be hot swapped? 04.13.15 Part micr0c0sm ("Leaving") 04.13.23 # ... and way back there i meant andrewbeveridge, not saratoga. nevermind. 04.23.13 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E1F.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.26.48 # i just wish i could fix the clock issues,,, 04.30.50 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.31.24 # n9xvt: Is there a bug report for these clock issues? 04.32.44 # not that i have found,,but i have only heard of one other person who had the same issue,,but that person didnt use the clock,,, 04.33.04 # Well they'll never get fixed if they aren't documented.. 04.34.18 # but i cant report it as i cant "re-create"it it just randomly occures 04.35.13 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@c-71-205-165-118.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.37.00 # and i'm not sure how to gain more info to give the programmers any kinda idea,,i'm pretty sure the simulator wouldnt get it right (wrong) 04.37.46 # n9xvt: you should try to find a developer with your target and ask them to see if their clock also loses tiem 04.39.17 # that would be a great addition on the main page,,,oh well,, 04.47.32 # FS#9222 - Rockbox as an Application 04.48.02 # still a mess but i'd like feedback 04.50.35 Join Mentalpatient109 [0] (n=skylerko@216-99-199-88.cust.aracnet.com) 04.50.47 Quit Mentalpatient109 (Client Quit) 04.58.32 Join superkaybee [0] (n=nobody@63.243.173.18) 04.58.48 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@e176103073.adsl.alicedsl.de) 05.02.12 # i really didnt understand it,,but i'm not a programer,, 05.02.41 Quit andrewbeveridge ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.03.22 # i'm having a problem getting album art to work with just some of my albums 05.03.45 # 95% of them come up fine using the artist-album.bmp method but there's a few that just won't go 05.04.12 # i can't seem to figure out what the issue is; i've checked the filenames & tags several times for typos 05.04.47 # i can't explain why most of the album art works but just these 3 or 4 won't 05.04.52 # any suggestions? 05.09.55 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.12.44 # one bizarre example is an album that is stored on disk as album/disc1 and album/disc2 05.12.59 # there is a single .bmp album art file in the parent directory 05.13.27 # if i access a track from disc1, no album art but if i go with something on disc2, the art appears 05.15.04 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.15.10 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.15.25 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-106.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 05.19.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.24.33 Quit Freddo_Frog ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 05.34.17 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=cool_wal@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 05.37.51 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 05.38.43 Quit superkaybee () 05.39.16 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.48.11 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 05.56.46 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008071719]") 06.01.33 # fs#9088,,imcompatible version on mi player,,causes an error on simulator? 06.02.09 # even a windows error 06.03.18 # "incompatible version" means your simulator binary wasn't compiled at the same time as the plugin. 06.03.58 # Since his .rock is for a player, you can't use it with a simulator. 06.09.55 # i get the version error on my player,,is there a way to re- compile the rock for mi player,, 06.11.06 # You just compile a build with the patch. 06.12.34 # yeah thats over my head,, 06.13.33 # i'd bet theres a few great patches i'd like to play with,,, 06.15.19 # <- needs a book,,,rockbox for dummie 06.16.49 # n9xvt, compiling a build is not that hard like the ham radio tests you took 06.19.17 # yeah but to me its vastly different,,kinda like a iron worker playin with pottery 06.19.52 # i'll search the wiki about compiling,,,maybe i can get it figured out,,, 06.20.26 # at least i know why it isnt working right and can try to fix it! 06.20.32 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@pool-71-178-171-238.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 06.21.14 Quit elfo (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.21.55 Quit Zarggg () 06.21.56 Join elfo [0] (n=elfo@gnusrv.epfl.ch) 06.27.17 # ok,,i just looked at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile now i'm really lost,,,i would have know idea,,, 06.27.39 Join elfolnx [0] (n=elfo@gnusrv.epfl.ch) 06.27.39 Quit elfo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.31.22 # it would be good if i could somehow tell the rock file its ok to run on that version,,or have a software to just to it for me,,,lol 06.31.46 # It's not okay to run on that version. 06.31.51 # If it were okay for it to run on it, it would run./ 06.32.11 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.34.24 Quit jhulst__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.40.42 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@root1n-ur.net) 06.40.44 Join xxbatman94xx [0] (i=d1ad5e65@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a73cd921bee25a5) 06.40.52 # n9xvt: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling is probably a better page to start with 06.42.14 # n9xvt it took me a while to get compiling down 06.43.00 # would anyone happen to know how to get ipodlinux off an ipod and the bootloader as well 06.43.12 # even though this kinda doesnt relate to rockbox 06.43.51 # xxbatman94xx: welcome to #rockbox...where the topic is: rockbox-related topics only 06.44.42 # obviously...but does anyone happen to know just off the top of their head? 06.45.14 # xxbatman94xx: what i meant by that is that what you are asking is something that is off-topic and is against the rules of this channel 06.45.52 # sorry...ill figure it out myself thanks for the warning 06.49.57 Quit xxbatman94xx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.05.41 Join avis- [0] (n=ident@adsl-99-162-205-234.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 07.15.23 # is there a limit on the number of patches i can add? 07.18.05 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-99-146-83-247.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 07.19.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.20.00 Quit avis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.25.48 Quit n9xvt ("CGI:IRC") 07.26.47 Join funman [0] (n=fun@82-171-216-191.ip.telfort.nl) 07.26.48 # hi 07.27.15 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 07.28.06 Join iboindrc [0] (n=450e873e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-314e3c0f82584f74) 07.28.16 Quit iboindrc (Client Quit) 07.49.52 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 07.51.55 # linuxstb: do you still have handy the source code you use to analyze sansav2 firmware block structure ? 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And noticed that there's an extra 10MB hiding on the main partition that I can't seem to get at. 15.20.27 # Not even with a dd command? 15.21.01 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders if that extra 10MB might be something firmware-related 15.21.05 # Ah, that was what I was going to do, disk image it. Not a linux dude but I think that's what dd is all about? 15.21.41 # I think it's probably the firmware because the NAND ones seem to have a hidden partition to hide it in while these ones don't... 15.21.58 # You don't have access to a NAND c100, do you? 15.22.04 # Nope. 15.22.11 # Hmmm... 15.22.19 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to eBay 15.22.24 # hiding *on* the partition? 15.22.47 # According to linuxstb's LogikDAX page the nand versions have a hidden partition. 15.23.07 # It's not a hidden partition as such, just an area of the disk that isn't exposed via USB 15.23.08 # Unhelpful: These Telechips device are weird little beasts. 15.23.27 # linuxstb: Think a dd on the partition will also grab that area? 15.23.39 # "isn't exposed via USB"... 15.23.51 # * LambdaCalculus37 scratches that idea, then 15.25.23 Quit MarcGuay ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.26.29 Quit cbr|w ("!") 15.27.57 Join mib_zzi7me7l [0] (i=cdcdc8ee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0e56b78b6af0b866) 15.28.01 Quit Nibbler ("Ex-Chat") 15.28.05 Nick mib_zzi7me7l is now known as MarcGuay (i=cdcdc8ee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0e56b78b6af0b866) 15.29.00 Part LinusN 15.29.19 # linuxstb: So when you look at the DAX's contents in MSC mode, do you see much more space used than the total size of visible files? 15.30.46 # The DAX came with a load of MP3 files hidden within the filesystem, so yes, lots more space was used than was used by visible files. But apart from that, I haven't really looked at it. 15.31.02 # MarcGuay: Is this the fun chip? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/SansaC100Port/mystery_chip.png 15.31.04 # MarcGuay: that "11MB" that df found as used? 15.34.36 # Unhelpful: Yeah, still poking at that. Maybe it's exposed in MTP mode and is just a bunch of demo MP3s... 15.34.47 # LambdaCalculus37: On the c100 page...? 15.34.51 # Yes. 15.35.09 # Yep. 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Specifically, would it in theory be possible to support multiple voice formats without *too much* extra work? 16.42.46 Quit Toki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.44.33 # Llorean: The voice codec used to be loaded, but is now linked as part of the core. 16.45.38 # linuxstb: Some time ago there was talk about plugins possibly being under different licenses from the core, especially if they were compiled and distributed separately (plugins from a GPLv3 build of Rockbox being available for download, but binary compatible with a v2 or later build) 16.46.05 # Unhelpful: I might be barking up the wrong tree though. Perhaps it's possible, and even normal, for a 2GB disk to have a default amount of 10MB shown as "used" even though the exposed files don't reflect it? 16.46.08 # And I was thinking "well, if it IS true, it could also work for codecs" then "if it could work for codecs, it might work for the voice codec, I wonder how that's set up" specifically leading toward espeak. 16.46.29 # It might be another angle to approach the espeak v3 problem from. 16.46.47 # I remember some devs saying "no codec swapping for voice anymore" which seem to have been troublesome before 16.46.48 # If it were possible to just normally include the speex, but allow a separate download to replace it with an actual TTS codec. 16.47.10 # Ah well. 16.47.17 # when speex was introduced 16.47.28 # pixelma: Yes, the code was greatly simplified (and made more reliable) by linking speex into the core 16.49.54 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.50.50 # MarcGuay: the fat, and directories, do take up space 16.51.43 # Unhelpful: That's what I'm wondering. 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It's also the 5.5G as well. 19.25.46 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 19.26.04 # You can tell by the serial number on the back; check this page out for more information: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#ipodfifth2 19.26.16 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@sab57-5-88-179-80-205.fbx.proxad.net) 19.26.38 # heh 19.26.40 # Although it doesn't make a difference. 19.26.44 # sorry 19.26.47 # my cat made me press clear 19.26.48 # hm 19.27.05 # now my ipod's constantly rebooting 19.27.24 # Did you install using Rockbox Utility? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 19.27.57 # I've not installed anything 19.28.02 # I've just tried to convert to fat32 19.28.48 # now it's in disk mode 19.28.48 # ok 19.28.50 # let's see 19.29.19 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.29.29 Quit rasher ("leaving") 19.30.38 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.182.28) 19.34.36 # hm! 19.34.40 # rbutilqt says it's a macpod 19.34.46 # but its filesystem is FAT32... 19.34.56 # /dev/sdh3 on /media/iPod type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,flush) 19.35.21 Join rasher [50] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 19.35.31 # although there's no directories on it 19.35.41 # I attempted http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 in Linux 19.35.54 # fdisk /dev/sdh ? 19.35.59 # substituting newfs_msos with mkfs.msdos 19.36.03 # funman, shows empty space 19.36.09 # no partitions 19.36.23 # why is sdh3 mounted then? 19.36.31 # it simply is 19.37.36 # sigh 19.39.43 # peppo: and you changed both the second partition and the mbr ? 19.42.13 Quit OlivierBorowski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.42.13 Quit vort3x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.42.17 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.42.34 Join vort3x [0] (n=vortex@unaffiliated/dfa001) 19.48.36 Quit Bensawsome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.51.25 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.52.03 Quit rasher ("reboot") 19.56.16 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 19.57.39 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.00.35 Join OlivierBorowski_ [0] (n=OlivierB@sab57-5-88-179-80-205.fbx.proxad.net) 20.01.41 # * domonoky gets strange segfaults if i change from .sap to another format. it also segfaults the same if i switch from another format to .sap.. :-/ 20.03.15 # the segfault is in draw_album art ? strange... 20.03.37 # That's strange indeed. 20.03.47 Quit Nibbler ("Ex-Chat") 20.07.34 # * domonoky thinks he knows why... id3v2buf is only 300 Bytes, so i overflow it with my metadata struct .. :-/ 20.08.23 Quit peppo ("hejdå") 20.14.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 looks through docs/MAINTAINERS in SVN 20.15.36 # Looks like docs/MAINTAINERS hasn't been updated in several months now. Are we still going to keep the file up to date, so we know who's maintaining what? 20.17.47 # I noticed several other documents in docs that look quite outdated too 20.17.58 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.18.03 Join AhtiK [0] (n=ahti@88-196-185-130-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) 20.21.59 Quit rasher (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.49 # bertrik: Yes, I see that too. What the dilly-o? ;) 20.25.03 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 20.30.29 # * LambdaCalculus37 notices that neither he nor MarcGuay have been credited in docs/CREDITS-MANUAL 20.31.10 # LambdaCalculus37: then hurry and add yourself :-) 20.31.10 Join funman_ [0] (n=fun@82-171-216-191.ip.telfort.nl) 20.32.11 # Also, the information in docs/KNOWN_ISSUES is very much outdated. Should the file be removed, or revised to let people know the info in it no longer applies? 20.35.31 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 20.44.00 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 20.45.21 Quit funman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.51.36 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c264@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9beb2af501e7cbd2) 20.51.48 # has anyone had a chance to look at stripwax's profile patch? 20.52.03 # was goign to try it tonight and commit it if it works 20.52.27 # saratoge: What's the patch number? 20.52.50 # FS#9170 20.53.06 # this honestly should have gone in sometime in 2006 20.53.08 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.53.38 # * domonoky is now working on a asap metadata rework, i really overflow the id3v2 buffer so no wonder i get segfaults.. what should i do if i run out of buffer ? skip the file ? just skip the meta data ? 20.53.38 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@gateway.learn.k12.ct.us) 20.55.15 # saratoga: Honestly, I think it should go in. 20.55.26 # But make sure it works first, of course. ;) 20.56.59 # saratoga: any news from your gsoc project ? 20.57.50 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.58.45 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.59.46 Join Chronon [0] (i=vircuser@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 21.00.19 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.03.33 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.04.01 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4F504.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.04.19 # domonoky: i posted a FS task last night 21.07.39 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnb007.ugent.be) 21.08.27 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.08.27 # nice 21.09.46 # hm, i can not run test_codec on a .sap file which loops :-) it runs forever :-) 21.10.40 # Strange... I managed to when I first tested the patch for it. 21.11.32 # also elapsed handling for looping files is not nice, it goes into negative after the first iteration.. :-) 21.12.43 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-e130fc53de3c8f9f) 21.18.38 Quit rasher ("leaving") 21.18.41 # but i think i fixed metadata parsing and stereo handling now.. which i will commit now :-) 21.18.55 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 21.19.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.20.54 # domonoky: Okay, will test. :) 21.21.08 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 21.21.18 # good :-) its now commited .. 21.31.45 Join BoD[] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 21.31.49 # Hello, World! 21.32.52 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.33.49 # Hey, I haven't upgraded rockbox for a few months 21.34.05 # untill yesterday I did, and my custom WPS is no longer working 21.34.18 # what's a good way to troubleshoot? 21.34.39 # the WPS syntacs changed a little.. 21.35.06 # i think the simulator can output nice messages where it goes wrong wile loading the WPS.. 21.35.12 # ahh! 21.35.17 # You can either try a new theme from the WPS Gallery, or read this page for more information on what needs to be changed: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 21.35.18 # downloading the sim right now 21.35.38 # Speaking of that, I should fix stuff so they get updated again 21.35.47 # ./rockboxui --debugwps will give you helpfull messages.. 21.35.53 # ah thanks! 21.40.25 # seems to be the progressbar 21.40.29 Join Strife81 [0] (n=admin@204.116.245.152) 21.40.34 # %P doesn't exist anymore? :) 21.41.13 # It has just changed 21.41.24 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 21.41.30 # I see i have to put the image directly in the %p 21.41.32 # www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS 21.41.40 # yeah i saw 21.44.28 Part Strife81 21.45.20 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip68-3-205-51.ph.ph.cox.net) 21.47.10 # does anyone here use Rockpaint? 21.48.22 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 21.49.50 Join MTee [0] (n=mtee@41.233.145.84) 21.51.22 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 21.51.22 # what was %m again? I have it in my current WPS but it doesn't exist anymore! :) 21.51.50 # margins, that is now solved differently with viewports 21.52.12 # ohhh ok 21.52.33 # that reminds me, I need to re-upload my theme since it was broken due to a change in the wps parser 21.52.56 # wow different fonts! 21.52.58 # the only change that affected it was the progress bar tag, fortunately 21.53.32 # suuuweet 21.54.34 # you can only switch between userfont and systemfont.. real multifont isnt there yet. 21.54.59 # oh ? :( 21.55.31 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033671.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.55.35 # oh right 21.55.39 # can someone test my patch FS#9217? it makes lines drawn by the line tool look much better in Rockpaint 21.55.44 # too bad 21.56.52 # but if we sometime get multifont, we will just extend this font number in the viewport :-) 21.57.40 # I'd especially like to know if it's OK #define the macro ABS() immediately before the draw_line() function 21.58.15 # maybe I should've used abs() instead 21.58.44 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.01 # oops... I'll go make a new patch using the standard abs() function that I just found out about right now 21.59.06 # if there is abs() in rockbox, you surely should use it instead of a macro 22.00.06 # right, and I just realized that now :-[ 22.00.33 # and about the positioning of macros. i think its better to collect them at the top of the file, so you can easily find them.. 22.01.31 # normally I do that, but not in this case for some reason 22.02.01 # and i think it wouldnt hurt to add a few comments :-) 22.02.02 # I changed it to use abs(), and apparently that function does exist in Rockbox, so I'll upload a new patch 22.02.54 # well, yeah I should add some comments 22.02.54 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.02.55 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 22.03.22 # at least note the algorithm used, then its easier to understand later.. 22.07.48 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 22.09.36 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.17.08 # ok, I added a comment and a second patch to my Flyspray entry FS#9217 22.17.25 Quit jgarvey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.35 # the patch contains some more comments and uses abs() instead of ABS() 22.19.12 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@nemo.csn.tu-chemnitz.de) 22.22.00 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 22.27.16 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.28.20 Quit MTee ("Java user signed off") 22.28.47 Join shot0fadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 22.29.05 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 22.29.25 Quit Chronon ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 22.33.44 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3e7b2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bc571a3880f3b911) 22.34.27 Join MTee [0] (n=mtee@41.233.145.84) 22.35.42 # Hello. I've posted an idea to the forum about how the smart backlight could work (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17718.0). And it would be a clean solution IMHO. But there is already FS#8400. Can anybody tell me if it does exactly what I proposed? 22.39.37 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.39.46 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 22.40.45 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.42.15 Quit BoD[] ("Lost terminal") 22.43.05 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.58 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.48.07 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 22.49.10 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.53.25 Quit bluebrother ("Changing server") 22.53.36 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.53.58 # * Bagder has the final count 22.54.06 # wooo 22.54.08 # woot! 22.54.22 # announcement mail in a minute 22.54.39 # * bluebrother drumrolls 22.55.38 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 22.56.22 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.57.22 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.00.08 # the mail is sent 23.01.22 # ChristopherW, nice! 23.02.46 # * domonoky applauds to Bagder,LinusN,linuxsts,Llorean and amiconn !! *cheers* :-) 23.02.55 # a fine board indeed 23.04.44 # * bluebrother wonders who linuxsts is :) 23.04.56 # * rasher thinks this should go on -dev as well, at the least 23.05.00 # linux set top set 23.05.27 # rasher: it should indeed, part of my "next step" thoughts actually ;-) 23.05.40 # * petur counts 31 sysfont strings in recording.c 23.05.43 # congrats to the guys who made it 23.06.37 # * petur also congrats the expected suspects 23.08.40 # * preglow too 23.08.53 # * bluebrother grabs some spaces and throws them to domonoky :) 23.09.18 # * domonoky hides :-) 23.09.49 # petur: Are they going? The sysfont strings 23.09.50 # * preglow grabs a beer to cement his status as backup member 23.10.08 # rasher: as many as possible ;) 23.10.43 # I still think introducing them in the first place was an awful idea 23.11.32 # I'll also try to get the naming a bit uniform as there are now some _RECORDING, _RECORD and _REC strings... 23.11.47 # Ugh 23.11.56 # Please rename in all langfiles then 23.12.18 # well, I'm still not sure: rename or depricate 23.12.26 # Nothing like asking all translators to translate a string again, just because the ID changed 23.13.01 # if I depricate, then translators will at least check if they can now use a proper string 23.13.12 Quit Ave (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.13.34 Join Ave [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 23.13.47 # s/depricate/deprecate 23.13.54 # But that only goes for quite few languages. Most will just be hassled needlessly 23.14.10 # Maybe you could just remove the strings from the few non-latin languages, to make them appear untranslated? 23.14.32 # If it's too much work, give me a list of ids and I'll do it 23.14.32 # ugh 23.14.54 # so the existing translation is lost? 23.15.11 # That's the case if you deprecate as well 23.15.14 # I first have to check where each string is used 23.15.31 # Why? The sysfont strings are marked 23.15.57 # Maybe I don't understand what you're doing 23.16.15 # if I deprecate, they can at least copy from there? 23.16.39 # That's almost as much hassle as just keeping an old language file around 23.16.50 # ehm, I just want to make sure one of those sysfont strings isn't used elsewhere... 23.17.04 # Plus, deprecated strings get removed automaticly in my translator :| 23.17.12 # Ah, like that 23.17.14 # maybe I'm giving myself too much work 23.17.54 # I should make a function on my "problems" page to check for non-latin characters in SYSFONT strings. I'm pretty sure quite a few languages have such strings 23.18.05 # s/quite // 23.18.57 # bingo... LANG_SYSFONT_GAIN is also used in eq_menu.c 23.19.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.20.27 # * preglow wonders how safetydan is doing with redesigning that menu 23.22.26 # I guess I'll leave the ones used elsewhere in the lang file and create a new one for the recording screen. When the eq screen is redone, they can use the new string and depricate the sysfont one 23.23.17 # Sounds like a job for my hypothetical langfile-poking tool. 23.23.26 # Llorean: Hey. I have a question regarding the forum discussion we had today. What if the authors don't answer. Can I assume "no license" and if yes, can I keep the themes in the build? 23.23.38 # kugel: "no license" means all rights reserved. 23.23.46 # If you don't have an explicit license, you can't distribute it. 23.24.00 # Llorean: Ok, thanks. I expected that 23.24.04 # It's unfortunate, but that's why we're going to require licenses on the new theme site. 23.24.07 # rasher: make such a tool please :> 23.24.15 # To prevent such confusion and difficulty in the future. 23.24.33 # Llorean: Yea, I understand. I'll encourage people too to put a license on their work 23.24.39 # Thanks 23.25.49 # btw, how's the theme site going? 23.26.10 # preglow: I've pretty much lost my motivation on the xml stuff 23.26.49 # would be good to put this theme site stuff somewhere, where others also can poke on it :- 23.27.21 # svn already has a folder ... unfortunately no content. 23.27.42 # when we're going 3.0 we should have an official theme site. Even if it's read only. 23.28.44 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.04 # rasher: any reason? 23.31.06 # preglow: it's awfully boring work, recreating the old genlang using what's basically DOM and not much else 23.31.34 # rasher: yeah, that i can imagine 23.32.02 # rasher: but would creating the same thing using the current format be less work? 23.32.46 # Possibly 23.33.13 Join Ackers [0] (n=Becks@80-235-149-109.cable.ubr22.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.33.17 # lang files are just too huge to handle by hand now 23.33.27 # good news... only one sysfont string is used elsewhere... 23.33.47 # hello 23.33.49 # and they contain too much clutter to be easy to handle manually anyway 23.34.53 # i need help deciding what mp3 player to get 23.35.52 # preglow: I agree. It probably wouldn't be too much work, now that I think about it. 23.36.24 # Ackers: check the BuyersGuide wiki page 23.36.43 # i did 23.37.04 # im an mp3 noob and it confused me 23.37.14 # rasher: any ideas on what such a tool would do? 23.37.38 # I think I had some ideas written in the xml patch 23.38.23 Join safetydan [0] (n=evertond@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.38.55 # Seems not 23.41.09 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-81-120.vif.net) 23.41.25 Join Bensawsome [0] (i=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 23.41.34 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.41.48 # Some obvious things: Change an ID in all languages, deprecate a string in all languages, change an English string in english.lang and change accordingly in other languages (for minor changes that don't require changes in translations), change desc in all languages (for minor changes that don't require attention by translators) 23.42.24 # ah, yeah, global changes would be nice 23.42.33 # Sort a language in English.lang order (some people seem to prefer that) 23.42.42 # oh yes 23.42.58 # but some kind of interface for doing the actual translation work itself would also be good, including displaying all the strings in a file 23.43.04 # perhaps that's web app land? 23.43.11 Part Ackers 23.43.19 # like i said, i think the actual layout of lang files is way to cluttery for manual editing 23.43.53 # I think a web app would be better - I don't think people would bother downloading a program to translate 23.44.10 # yeah, i agree 23.44.48 # I'm not sure I'm up to the task of writing a usable web app of that size 23.45.28 # nah, it'd be a fair deal of work 23.45.59 # i used to enjoy writing stuff like that four years or so ago, but alas, no longer 23.46.09 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.47.15 # wow, lots of sysfont strings are actually duplicates of existing strings 23.47.19 # * preglow tries to sweat less 23.47.23 # petur: tons 23.47.34 # noticed that when syncing last 23.51.28 # preglow: 10 23.52.22 # and counting... 23.53.30 # Ah. I was about to suggest renaming norsk to norsk-bokmål, but then there's the filename problem 23.55.23 Quit funman_ ("leaving") 23.57.17 # bluebrother I tested the sudoku save patch in an Ipod 64 and it works perfectly, Thanks you!