--- Log for 29.07.108 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.48 # not too bad as I prob. almost will always add the patches that I need/want 00.02.12 # hehe ... in fact I checked about file formats for sudoku saves. 00.02.14 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.02.20 Join n9xvt [0] (n=187be7e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-97abc2bd966abd3b) 00.02.41 # unfortunately I haven't found out if this is somewhat compatible or if we are creating our own format now ... wouldn't want to do that. 00.03.28 # own as in per device or rockbox as opposed to others? 00.03.41 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.04.20 # Rockbox as opposed to something else 00.04.48 # that's what I thought, so why would it be that bad 00.05.00 # and can't you always change it if you find somehting better 00.05.24 # why is it better to not get a feature in than get it 100% right? 00.05.24 # It would be nice to change formats randomly, thus making all earlier format files useless 00.05.47 # And it would be nice to be compatible with an existing system, so that a wider range is available, easier to swap between etc 00.06.14 # Because often if something goes in not right it doesn't get made right, it gets forgotten about 00.06.24 # well this patch is sitting to 2006 00.06.32 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.36 # So if it won't go in until it is right, if someone wants it in they will do it right 00.06.41 # so I would say it's kind of forgoten 00.06.54 # itcheg: Clearly no-one bothers enough to do it properly then 00.07.06 # well, I was bothered with that issue like two years ago. Then I stopped playing sudoku :) 00.07.30 # I understand the thinking but if we wanted to do it 100% right 100% of the time you'll be left with nothing 00.07.33 # I'm still kinda interested in getting it in, but first I need to figure if I want to go with the current save format. 00.07.44 # itcheg: That clearly isn't true 00.08.10 # I'm no coder so my say doesn't matter much, just one mans opinion 00.08.15 # well, the plugin itself is working right now. Question is, will we create a new incompatible format or not? 00.08.31 # I'm happy now thanks to bluebrother I have the feature 00.08.40 # bluebrother: What are the other options? Is there a 'standard' format? 00.09.08 # given the fact that I haven't found details about the way the already selected numbers are saved we could of course assume we already have our own file format version ... 00.09.28 # BigBambi: well, there are several, and those come with several flavours. So ... 00.09.33 # hmmm 00.09.35 # my argument is that it just seems like a shame that nothing was done for 2 years because there might be a better way 00.10.06 # bluebrother: Perhaps just pick a major one that comes with gnome or something (assuming such a thing exists) 00.10.07 # What patch # are we talking about? 00.10.08 # itcheg: I'd say nothing was done for 2 years because nobody cares very much... 00.10.35 # itcheg: If people cared, they could overcome "there might be a better way" by either doing it a better way, or showing there isn't a better way. 00.10.38 # 5737 00.10.39 # It's not a one-sided process 00.10.44 # bluebrother: It might as well be compatible with an other, as opposed to creating another new one 00.10.47 # also, the encoding I picked for the scratchpad was just something I found suitable that time -- but even back that time I wasn't too sure if the format was the best one. 00.10.56 # Llorean ^ 00.11.37 # BigBambi: well, my idea was to add additional information after a ; at the end of the line and hope everyone who doesn't understand this just ignores it 00.11.49 Quit bertrik ("ZZZ") 00.12.09 # bluebrother: wasn't the sudoku format derived from "Simple Sudoku" - hence the file extension and the hint to download its puzzle pack? 00.12.18 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.12.37 # I downloaded some puzzles in the past, I know that 00.12.51 # me too 00.12.55 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.12.57 # pixelma: yes. 00.14.00 # Does Simple Sudoku allow saving of the scratchpad? /me goes to look 00.14.11 # I don't think so 00.14.14 # would this mean testing in Simple Sudoku would be best 00.14.17 # ? 00.14.28 # To see if it ignores the extras you mean? 00.14.36 # IIRC, Simple Sudoku didn't have a scratchpad 00.14.38 # IIRC there is no scratchpad like that 00.14.44 # That'd make sense - then at least they would still be compatible 00.14.54 # good point. 00.14.59 # yes, that was my question 00.15.54 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.16.03 # is there any limits on the number of patches a person can apply? 00.16.08 # nope 00.16.15 # As long as they don't conflict 00.16.31 # There is a bug that I'm lazy to submit, to reproduce, add a nuber to the scratchpad that is wrong and choose reload, it locks the game up and you need to reset 00.16.47 # this had nothing to do with this patch, I tested it with and with out 00.18.13 # pixelma, other manual people: Is there a define for portrait vs landscape displays? 00.19.06 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Connection timed out) 00.19.32 # As I note that on portrait display manuals the scratchpad is referred to as "The thing on the left" whereas it should be something like "The thing underneath" 00.19.36 # * linuxstb spots the RSB results, thanks people, and also cynically wonders how the person counting the votes managed to finish top... ;) 00.19.53 # :) 00.19.54 # Are, has that been done? 00.20.06 # Is there going to be an announcement for us normals? 00.20.11 # itcheg: you sure you haven't left the invalid number in the cell? 00.20.13 # s/Are/Ah/ 00.20.38 # BigBambi: yes, that'll come "soon" 00.20.45 # BigBambi: domonoky mentioned the winners earlier, and Bagder said he's planning to email -dev later 00.20.52 # 23.02.46 # * domonoky applauds to Bagder,LinusN,linuxsts,Llorean and amiconn !! *cheers* :-) 00.20.53 # * bluebrother too slow 00.21.00 # aha, cheers 00.21.11 # who's cheers? 00.22.09 # hmm, simple sudoku doesn't load the rb sudoku file. 00.23.04 # trying to load a Rockbox saved (without patch) but solved sudoku.ss gives me "this is not a valid Simple Sudoku file" 00.23.08 # otoh, the saves aren't recognized too, so we are already incompatible. 00.23.24 # Any objections to committing a langfile only 12-14% translated? (Indonesian - FS#8456) 00.23.47 # rasher: That's a new language? 00.23.48 # it works when there is nothing filled out 00.23.49 # It seems likely to get improved since both wpyh and zajacattack are around still 00.23.55 # linuxstb: Yeah 00.24.07 # so in that case compatibility isn't much of a concern to me anymore. 00.24.48 # maybe not save scratchpad information if it hasn't been used ... 00.25.32 # rasher: Some of the translations look a little dubious to me. 00.25.36 # so we even can create new puzzles that are compatible with simple sudoku 00.25.52 # Llorean: Which, and why? 00.26.09 # rasher: My initial reaction is to wait and see if they progress further. 12-14% seems quite low... 00.26.13 # rasher: I'm not sure if they're right or wrong, since I don't know the language well. But bookmarks is a literal translation (marks for books, I think), and "Off" is "Die" (which may also be "Kill") 00.26.35 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 00.26.45 # So I'm not sure if the translations are going to be understandable by a native, or if they're translations made by someone with a dictionary. 00.26.49 # bluebrother: this way nothing would change compared to now... 00.27.05 # right, so I'd be fine with it. 00.27.14 # I think so too 00.27.25 # Llorean: wpyh has changed some - did you look at his file? 00.27.35 # rasher: Just looked at the last one in the tracker 00.27.38 # Or looking at, rather 00.27.58 # I'll look at it the next days. Maybe I even get around looking at this "inline scratchpad" patch 00.28.51 # rasher: It's been over 15 years since I've even *seen* Indonesian. It may just be a case of "things don't translate well into this language" 00.29.18 # 10 years, sorry 00.29.38 # The danish translation for bookmarks is "book + marks" as well 00.30.08 # Well, if wpyh is okay with it, they're probably fine. 00.31.23 # anyway, time for some sleep now. cu guys 00.31.58 Quit bluebrother ("sleep mode") 00.32.18 # Any thoughts on moving to 7zip or tar.bz2/tar.gz for distribution? Would allow non-ascii in filenames (I'm thinking languages here) 00.33.15 # Plus would likely be a bit smaller filesize 00.33.16 # Seeing as rbutil is getting better fast, the users who are likely to download Rockbox manually, are also increasingly likely to be fine with using an external program on Windows 00.34.00 # BigBambi: I wonder if that matters much - is bandwidth likely to be a problem? 00.34.26 # I don't think it is a big issue at all - just another tick in the plus column 00.34.34 # I wouldn't change just for that 00.34.41 # rasher: How does tar deal with non-ascii? 00.34.56 # Hm, actually I don't know. 00.35.35 # And can rbutil deal with 7zip? 00.36.25 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.36.51 # I wouldn't be surprised if the current font of the default theme wouldn't contain the needed non-ascii chars... on many targets (all that use a different size than "helvR12"). Which reminds me... 00.36.52 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 00.36.59 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-46f16af0c50e9a8a) 00.37.20 # pixelma: which is why the filename should also include the English name of the language 00.37.41 # linuxstb: It can't. It'd need to gain some code 00.37.43 # the new profile patch works great 00.37.46 # i'm going to commit it 00.38.02 # rasher: the filenames should then consist of 2 parts? 00.38.13 # pixelma: That's what I figure 00.38.42 # pixelma: FS#7637 00.38.55 # still it would look odd if the filename isn't displayed correctly by default I think 00.39.07 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 00.39.24 # rasher: I meant to say "can rbutil be easily extended to deal with 7zip" ? 00.39.49 # linuxstb: http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html looks promising, but I'm not one to judge that 00.41.58 # Probably not worth the hassle, just to display nicer language names. 00.42.26 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.46.46 Quit tehpaper (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.48.01 # hmm... looking at that list, suomi could be renamed without taking care of non-ascii chars IIUC 00.48.15 # Yup 00.49.00 Quit HellDragon (No route to host) 00.49.10 # Not quite sure why that hasn't been done. Maybe we should keep an empty "finnish.lang" with only the "Rockbox" string translated as "Your language is outdated" 00.49.20 # So people notice they should switch langauge 00.50.48 Join tehpaper [0] (i=UPP@653237hfc238.tampabay.res.rr.com) 00.54.19 Quit OlivierBorowski_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.55.25 # * pixelma can't ignore that "paruski" suggestion though it already has been turned down... that would be the same as naming the English one inenglish.lang 00.56.03 # I don't think we should romanize. 00.57.34 # yeah and it would also have been wrong in my eyes (few years of Russian in school though I didn't keep much, still can read it) 00.58.57 Quit MTee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.26 Quit tehpaper (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.00.35 Join tehpaper [0] (i=UPP@653237hfc238.tampabay.res.rr.com) 01.01.49 Quit shot0fadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.17 Quit n9xvt ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.07.52 Quit ender` (" I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. -- Jerome K. Jerome") 01.08.55 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.10.57 # JdGordon: Hey, have you already looked at FS#8799? 01.11.39 # I'd like to get some feedback on that one 01.13.42 # how do I get the inline source code option in arm-elf-objdump to work? 01.13.54 # do i need to add a special flag to the makefile to get it to work? 01.15.33 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.17.56 Join CaptainKewl [0] (n=jason@207-237-173-165.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.18.50 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 01.19.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.20.06 # kugel: no, i havnt had much time for rockbox in a while 01.20.08 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@76-10-182-122.dsl.teksavvy.com) 01.20.47 # kugel: ah, dont expect that to get much of a looking at before 3.0 ... 01.22.27 # JdGordon: No hurry. But I think the latest version of the patch works very well, and I of course aim for getting it committed. I'd really like to hear opinions about it. Also, from what I've noticed, the feature is generally wanted by the users. 01.22.43 # JdGordon: Sure, but there was no freeze yet, so I'm still hoping ;) 01.24.00 # yes, I think it will be commited, but its a pretty "big" feature and will probably cause some problems which would delay it if it goes in right now... 01.24.07 # Even without a freeze, we shouldn't commit anything "risky" until after. 01.24.43 # If it does get committed, it probably just means that 3.0 will be branched from the build before it. We really don't want any experimental features at this point, while *after* 3.0 is the perfect time to put in possibly-buggy stuff 01.28.43 Join ackers [0] (n=Becks@80-235-149-109.cable.ubr22.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.29.06 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 01.29.21 # I understand. But I wouldn't call it experimental anymore :) 01.30.15 # Major new features not in SVN are pretty much by definition experimental 01.31.28 # heck, even some of svn is still experimental :) 01.31.48 # Okok :) 01.32.05 # Anyway, I'd like to hear some comments on the way the patch works. 01.33.27 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.34.31 # JdGordon: BTW, MarcGuay tried the pictureflow patch and didn't have problems like you 01.35.05 # kugel: Had some quirks like I mentionned on the task but major functions were fine. 01.35.30 # kugel: i'd be more insterested in getting pf fixed... maybe its a 64bit sim problem? 01.35.48 # I doubt it.. but if i have time, and remmber, ill try it toinght on both my targets 01.35.58 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 01.38.32 # JdGordon: I don't think so. 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Exact error messages, and exactly what you're typing. 03.50.01 # indeed 03.50.01 Join iswm [0] (n=bslote@unaffiliated/iswm) 03.50.15 # cut and paste is best, if possible 03.51.31 # Err, no select button on the H10? 03.52.21 # this compilier wont let me cut and paste? 03.52.24 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.52.25 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-240-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.52.37 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-240-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.53.45 # bash: /tools/configure no such file or directory 03.53.56 # ../tools/configure 03.54.02 # yes 03.54.07 # The two periods are important 03.54.17 # ok,, 03.54.37 # well, it really depends on where you are relative to the src directory 03.54.51 # ../tools/configure only if you're in a subdirectory of the src 03.54.56 # If you're following a guide, it's probably that. 03.55.01 # right,, 04.04.14 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.49 Quit Bensawsome (Connection timed out) 04.12.24 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF4018.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.15.09 Quit Zarggg () 04.17.16 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 04.20.30 Quit dude187 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.24.44 Join InHisName [0] (n=Administ@c-71-225-221-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 04.25.37 # aright ima givin up i think,,two of the patches have errors the make command produces errors,,,this needs to be easier 04.26.41 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.27.03 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-106.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.28.23 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-76-240-238-111.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 04.28.51 # The patch --binary -p0 < blah.diff is throwing hunks? 04.29.02 # yes 04.29.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.29.52 # Then the patches need to be updated because the code they were patched against has changed. 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I'm planning on replacing the drive and would like to have a look at the connectors. A description of these would of course suffice as well :) 09.39.26 # gammy: There was a good guide on the misticriver.net wiki 09.40.17 # God I hate that flash menu 09.40.19 # my first attempt discards out-of-range numbers, but with the current shuffle algorithm, it needs to discard quite a few 09.40.32 # gammy, http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H1xx_Hard_Drive_Replacement 09.40.47 # There you go :) 09.40.49 # Ahh 09.40.54 # That was fast! :) 09.41.00 # probably not even noticeable in real life, but still... 09.41.14 # i had it in my page history as i just replaced the battery on my h120 last week :) 09.41.19 # Ah 09.41.21 # Excellent 09.41.28 # crwll: How much more time do you get? I 09.41.36 # crwll: I am still quite happy with the original battery time! 09.42.01 # it was my third battery now 09.42.10 # crwll: The plan for me is to replace the drive with a compact flash card 09.42.13 # crwll: Really? 09.42.26 # the original battery was quite fine after about 1,5 years when i replaced it in late 2005 (or so) with a 2200 mAh noname battery from ebay 09.42.27 # crwll: For some incredibly odd reason my battery doesn't seem to get worse through the years 09.42.46 # the 2200 mAh battery was still doing pretty good but for some reason it refused to charge anymore, so i replaced it again 09.43.06 # i suspect i'm getting much over 20 hours runtime now 09.43.53 # * GodEater has never come close to running out of battery on his H140 now it has a 2200mAh battery in it 09.43.53 # this is this batteries fith year I suppose 09.43.59 # I've no idea how long it lasts now 09.44.05 # You could indeed say that I am impressed 09.44.11 # however I don't think I get over 14 hours 09.44.17 # But still. :) 09.44.22 # GodEater, i ran batterybench with a 2200 mAh battery when it had been in use for a little over a year, i think i got something like 26 hours out of it 09.44.51 # crwll: that's pretty good :) 09.45.08 # Is there any way from software to check the battery capacity? 09.45.11 # I only use my H140 in the car now, so it doesn't get the "exercise" my other targets do 09.45.28 # still after almost 3 years the 2200 mAh battery was going strong and could keep at least >10 hours of charge (i never ran out of charge either) but then it suddenly refused to charge (the led was just blinking no matter what) so i had to replace it 09.45.49 # and it was no big deal to replace it as a replacement battery cost something like 14 EUR, including shipping... 09.45.52 # crwll: that's what happened to my original battery too 09.46.07 # crwll: nice, i have also replaced to 2200 mAh battery because mine refused to get charge too. now the H140 is working great again 09.46.12 # crwll: Really? Where did you get it from? Maybe I should get a replacement battery at the same time as the CF 09.46.30 # gammy, i just searched on ebay 09.46.35 Quit ahti_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.39 # Aw. 09.46.52 # crwll: Oh you're in finland 09.46.55 # there are shops from china / hong kong selling batteries that fit directly to the h100 series without needing to change the wires like in ipod batteries 09.46.57 # yep 09.47.01 # crwll: Finnish ebay or US? 09.47.01 # gammy: most 2200mAh batteries you find on the internet are designed for the first / second generation ipods 09.47.14 # this means you have to swap the polarity on them if you fit one in an H100 09.47.19 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.47.53 # GodEater, ebay isn't localised to finland, but all the ebays are the same to my understanding, they just differ in default geographical search area and currency 09.48.00 # GodEater: Doesn't sound too dreadful I suppose 09.48.11 # gammy: for small orders US ebay works great (no customs). For big orders, .co.uk or .de (no customs either in EU) 09.48.33 # The problem with most US/co/de sellers is that they don't bloody ship to Sweden :) 09.48.35 # gammy, i think it was this seller: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2200mAh-HI-BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340_W0QQitemZ360072076392QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360072076392&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 09.49.03 # gammy: you need to ask for shipping charges. most of them do ship after that 09.49.11 # they don't have very good feedback though, but i'm not too rigorous when it comes to low value orders like this 09.49.12 # A-ha. 09.49.50 # gammy: I get over 29 hrs out of my H140 with a 2200 mAh battery 09.50.07 # this battery wasn't even a complete noname battery like my first 2200 mAh battery was, the manufacturer was "Cameron Sino" (i have no idea if it's a respectable brand, though) 09.50.13 # Haha what 09.50.16 # How can it be five quid 09.50.27 # crwll: It is 09.50.39 # £3.99 as a buy now price 09.50.41 # that's crazy! 09.50.55 # I can even just have a british mate get that for me and send it over in an envelope 09.51.09 # Indeed, but there is always a danger with no name ones that they might balloon 09.51.20 # Balloon you say. 09.51.28 # yes... 09.51.36 # another 2200 mAh noname battery my friend had his battery balloon 09.51.39 # Not sure about what that means, but it doesn't sound very good :). 09.51.39 # mine didn't, luckily 09.51.49 # BigBambi: You mean it bloats up? 09.51.49 # gammy: Expand a lot 09.51.51 # well, the battery swelled noticeably 09.51.54 # like a balloon 09.52.01 # Wow that's poopy. 09.52.12 # and then it caused problems to the HD, it refused to spin up 09.52.14 # However what does that imply in reality? 09.52.44 # it didn't break his player though, he just replaced the battery again (and i think the battery kept swelling when it was out of the case) 09.52.53 # gammy: What do you mean? 09.53.02 # ...he broke his player with the more classical way - using a Nokia charger 09.53.22 # It means that it presses on other parts, possibly damaging them, as well as possibly causing other electrical related problems 09.53.31 # crwll: Far too common that 09.53.35 # BigBambi, yep 09.53.43 # i'm lucky i've never had nokia phones :) 09.53.45 # BigBambi: Swelling to some extent is (presumably) normal 09.53.53 # I wouldn't say so, no 09.54.05 # It should stay the same size 09.54.08 # It is quite a tight fit in there 09.54.19 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 09.54.35 # Well I mean all batteries swell at extremes 09.54.39 # Nothing odd about that 09.54.45 # can anyone test out fs#8335? 09.54.58 # patch for pictureflow 09.55.05 # BigBambi: But - so what you're saying is an unhealthy expansion :) 09.55.05 # gammy: They shouldn't in normal use, not noticably anyway 09.55.08 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.55.11 # Yeah 09.56.01 # So, I wonder, where do I find a more "posh" battery at a reasonable price? 09.56.29 # ebay also is good, but look for something like cameron sino 09.56.35 # the link i posted should be fine, it's a brand name battery 09.56.43 # crwll: Oh? 09.56.43 # or at least i got one 09.56.45 # Was it? 09.56.53 # I couldn't see a brand 09.57.18 # indeed it doesn't seem to say it 09.58.26 # there's "sino_battery" written in the picture in the auction page, but not much else 09.58.30 # however their url (stores.ebay.com/SINO-BATTERY) certainly implies 'sino' 09.58.36 # Yeah 09.58.44 # Presumably a ploy. 09.58.55 # 365 days warranty. 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Adding the possibilty to have alternating dimensions for different screens (especially without the ability to change the backdrop as well) just adds complexity and is IMHO just not worth it 15.23.28 # I didn't ever feel like having other dimensions for the quickscreen than for the list 15.23.28 Quit JdGordon ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.24.34 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c822f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-15483c3277550ce3) 15.25.23 # JdGordon|uni: Have you read my messages? 15.25.37 # yeah, mibbit shows the last fdew messages :) 15.26.00 # I'm just saying that if we are going to do this.. we may as well overdo it.. 15.26.22 # having the ability to put the QS in an artibrary rectangle that isnt related to the list makes sense 15.26.32 # if the user wants it in the same rect then so be it.. 15.26.37 Nick JdGordon|uni is now known as JdGordon (i=d31c822f@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.27.07 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 15.27.21 # JdGordon|uni: I rather keep it simple. Imho it's very unlikely that the user chooses other dimensions for other contexts 15.27.33 # why? 15.27.45 # because the backdrop is the same 15.27.53 # why? 15.28.02 # and its not about the background anyway... 15.28.26 # you could make it look like the context menu is more like a overlapped menu 15.28.37 # I want my patch to offer one custom vp, which is (in the best case) always used when the backdrop is shown 15.29.12 # I know.... I'm saying that thats pretty limiting 15.29.23 # when the bin difference would be negligable 15.30.04 # You call it limiting, I call it "keep it simply for the users (and for me too)" 15.30.11 # simple* 15.30.44 # the complexity difference is negligable also 15.31.20 # Not if the user has to create loads of files to apply the same dimensions for all the contexts 15.31.59 # what I meant was aa single file that contained every viewport definition 15.32.10 # -a 15.33.24 # JdGordon: Well, I actually don't want the patch to work this way. But the framework you've mentioned is actually already there. With the viewport_parse_viewport function you can parse any vp string 15.34.05 # even simpler than that... viewport_load_default() could do it easily without any extra changes 15.34.35 # chanigng the topic.... pf needs fixing.. have you seen my comment? 15.34.42 # Sure 15.35.33 # Is your album art all like "cover.100x100.bmp"?# 15.35.46 # yes 15.36.13 # ideally, the aa searching function should check all cover.*.bmp files up to a maximum specified size 15.36.21 # mine is only cover.bmp, since I use bmp resize in my build. (That does NOT mean that I tried my patch only with my build) 15.36.36 # but even fixing that call, it still wouldnt work which was irritating 15.37.02 # bmp resize shuold get commited.. or fixed so it could be 15.37.21 # yea 15.37.50 # but the current bmp resize patch adds a giant bin size delta 15.38.28 # and IMO that is no excuse :p 15.38.58 # especially when it probably doesnt make sense on the current bin limited targets 15.40.06 # You don't need to convince me, I was always in favor of bmp resize :P 15.40.26 # arnt there code issues with it atm thoguh? 15.42.36 # I didn't experience any flaws 15.43.11 # no, I mean problems with how it does it or something? 15.44.28 # Not that I know of. The only thing I think I remember is that algorithm does a bit more than we want (e.g. scaling in one direction, imho this is not needed) 15.45.08 # the rb->search_albumart_files looks weird to me. Why does it need a filename pattern? 15.45.27 # * JdGordon doesnt know 15.46.08 # imho it should automatically use the priority list 15.50.24 # kugel: the "filename pattern" is a string with the size 15.51.02 # take a look at the implementation (apps/recorder/albumart.c) 15.51.14 # we cant get it to just check every file which starts with cover. and get the largest one under the specified size? 15.52.06 # that would be much more intensive 15.52.19 # not really... a few extra string compares 15.52.43 # Nico_P: I know. I meant rb->search_albumart_files() should not need such a pattern, but search for all possibly covers by default (so, cover.bmp, cover.XXxXX.bmp, .bmp and so on) 15.53.00 # <Nico_P> you'd need to get all the files in the dir and check their names, then find out their size 15.53.24 # <JdGordon> the first part yes... but assume the size int he file name is correct 15.53.40 # <Nico_P> sometimes the size isn't in the file name 15.55.05 # <kugel> Nico_P: i'd take this priority http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#How_To_Use_Album_Art , and only compare sizes if cover.XXxXX.bmps where found 15.55.08 # <Nico_P> I know having to specify a size isn't ideal, but I didn't think looking at all the files was acceptable... maybe there's a nice way to do it though 15.55.23 # <Nico_P> kugel: how do you find them efficiently? 15.55.55 # <kugel> the same way the normal implementation does it 15.56.57 # <Nico_P> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean... long time since I haven't looked at that code 15.57.15 Join PeterVasilevskiy [0] (n=53ed3ef7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c708cd4bd3f5655) 15.57.25 # <kugel> Anyway, the current implementation in pf together with my patch doesn't seem to find JdGordon's cover.100x100.bmp files 15.57.41 # <kugel> while the svn pf does 15.58.08 # <PeterVasilevskiy> Hello! Could you give me permission to edit wiki pages. wiki name PeterVasilevskiy 15.58.26 # <BigBambi> What are you planning to edit? 15.58.59 # <PeterVasilevskiy> Well ofcourse the meizu m6 port page 15.59.02 # <PeterVasilevskiy> i am vcf 15.59.12 # <PeterVasilevskiy> form the rockbox forums 15.59.22 # <BigBambi> a) I didn't know your nick, b) I don't know vcf 15.59.36 # <BigBambi> So the of course seems a bit out of place :) 15.59.45 # <markun> PeterVasilevskiy: hi! 15.59.49 # <PeterVasilevskiy> hi! 16.00.06 # <BigBambi> PeterVasilevskiy: Promise not to spam now :) 16.00.39 # <PeterVasilevskiy> <BigBambi> I Promise =) 16.00.45 # <BigBambi> OK, edit away 16.00.52 # <PeterVasilevskiy> thanks 16.00.57 # <BigBambi> no problem 16.01.28 # <PeterVasilevskiy> <markun> i want to edit the wiki page cause its out of date 16.03.30 # <PeterVasilevskiy> <markun> there is no info about that we have the specs of cpu as well 16.03.32 Quit LinuxMafia (Success) 16.04.01 # <rasher> markun: Are you our font-rendering person? 16.04.34 Quit JdGordon ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.04.43 # <rasher> markun: Have you seen FS#8491? 16.04.57 # <markun> at this moment I'm not much of a rockbox person.. :( 16.05.02 # <markun> busy with other things 16.06.03 # <PeterVasilevskiy> <markun> i see. i will try to do what i can 16.06.17 # <markun> PeterVasilevskiy: which IRC client are you using? 16.06.49 Quit ReKleSS ("Leaving") 16.07.02 # <markun> it looks like you are quoting people because it types the name <like this> 16.07.28 # <PeterVasilevskiy> markun ah 16.07.59 # <PeterVasilevskiy> markun i use the rockbox web client. 16.16.43 Join LinuxMafia [0] (n=awatt@CPE000e081cbf7a-CM00159a642d7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 16.20.16 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=d31c822f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-049d589b14498444) 16.20.16 Quit mazling (Client Quit) 16.29.36 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.32.03 Quit PeterVasilevskiy ("CGI:IRC") 16.35.42 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@81-66-128-222.rev.numericable.fr) 16.35.49 Quit DrMoos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.36.07 Quit BigBambi ("Please insert girder") 16.37.42 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 16.43.26 Quit avis ("Ex-Chat") 16.45.00 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 16.47.47 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.49.35 Join iswm [0] (n=bslote@ip72-208-105-196.ph.ph.cox.net) 17.01.31 Join coatman [0] (n=jacob@ppp-70-245-251-72.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 17.05.10 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 17.07.34 Quit iswm ("Leaving.") 17.10.19 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.13.44 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@static-71-166-233-112.washdc.east.verizon.net) 17.15.27 Nick Llorean1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-106.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 17.20.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.24.06 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.24.41 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.27.54 Part LinusN 17.42.15 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.51.14 # <LambdaCalculus37> rasher: Still here? 18.02.38 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 18.04.17 Quit petur ("real life") 18.04.23 # <crwl> any ideas, why my new sansa e280 refuses to load any wps's (themes load ok, but wps stays at the default) 18.04.52 # <GodEater> because the themes you're trying are still "broken" (using the pre June 23rd syntax) 18.05.11 # <LambdaCalculus37> Look for themes that have been updated after June 23rd. Those will work. 18.05.21 # <GodEater> or should do :P 18.05.41 # <rasher> LambdaCalculus37: Barely 18.05.51 # <crwl> ah. any suggestions? :) 18.05.53 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 18.06.08 # <GodEater> crwl: LamdaCalculs37 just made one... 18.06.13 # <GodEater> or else you could fix them yourself 18.06.20 # <GodEater> instructions are still in the sticky in the forums 18.06.56 # <LambdaCalculus37> rasher: Regarding a few of the lang files... I noticed something peculiar about the strings, as per your translation page. 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Are we talking about just files, or the entire file system? 19.16.40 # <GodEater_> and mostly on sdhc cards too 19.16.43 Join tehpaper [0] (i=UPP@653237hfc238.tampabay.res.rr.com) 19.16.45 # <GodEater_> the file system 19.16.55 # <Strife89> Ouch. 19.17.09 # <GodEater_> fairly rare though 19.17.21 # <GodEater_> I've been using the rockbox usb stack for months, and it's never happened to me 19.17.33 # <LambdaCalculus37> Same here. 19.17.50 # <Strife89> I'm considering enabling low-speed USB so I can update Rockbox and transfer small files without much hassle. 19.18.12 # <GodEater_> you won't get "low speed" - you'll get "full speed" 19.18.20 # <GodEater_> which confusingly, is slower than "high speed" :) 19.18.33 # <bertrik> AFAIK gevaerts fixed the flash corruption that was related to the extra bytes written to the flash 19.19.00 # <Strife89> Well, you knew what I meant. I try to use the right terms, but you're right: it's confusing. 19.19.31 # <GodEater_> bertrik: really? 19.19.38 # <GodEater_> then why haven't we enabled it by default yet ? 19.19.55 # <bertrik> I'll have a quick search in the commit logs 19.19.56 # <Strife89> bertrik: Really? When did that happen? 19.20.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.20.56 # <bertrik> just before he went on holiday 19.21.04 # <itcheg> does rpress show much here in irc? 19.21.17 # <GodEater_> who ? 19.21.24 # <itcheg> Ryan Press 19.21.33 # <itcheg> I guess not 19.21.34 # <GodEater_> never seen him while I'm online 19.21.39 # <GodEater_> but I'm not here 24/7 19.21.56 # <itcheg> ok he has a patch on Ipod accessory protocal 19.22.14 # <itcheg> how some questions/comments for him 19.22.24 # <itcheg> s/how/had 19.23.11 # <GodEater_> I'd post them on the patch 19.23.32 # <itcheg> don't have a login lazy to set one up 19.24.09 # <GodEater_> not a good attitude 19.24.16 # <itcheg> I know 19.24.21 # <itcheg> but lazy I am 19.24.45 # <bertrik> gevaerts made a fix that to avoid overlapping USB transactions and SD writes, 9-11 july, around svn version 18000 19.25.04 # <GodEater_> he did that very quietly 19.32.39 # <bertrik> There's still a problem with a USB hub of amiconn's that causes reset with RB USB, but works fine with the OF 19.32.42 Join num1 [0] (n=brian@c-68-63-193-45.hsd1.az.comcast.net) 19.33.09 # <bertrik> At least, that's the last I remember reading of it 19.34.07 # <Strife89> bertrik: "causes reset"? 19.35.00 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.35.27 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-091-089-240-203.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 19.36.45 Quit funman ("leaving") 19.37.32 # <bertrik> USB resets 19.37.55 # <Strife89> The "unplug-replug" effect? 19.38.30 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@81-66-128-222.rev.numericable.fr) 19.38.30 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.44 Nick DrMoos is now known as moos (i=moos@81-66-128-222.rev.numericable.fr) 19.38.44 # <Strife89> That's happened with the OF, for me. 19.40.17 # <GodEater_> Strife89: not quite no 19.41.16 # <Strife89> GodEater: Do tell. :) 19.42.17 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.42.36 Join pondlif1 [0] (n=Steve@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 19.42.39 # <GodEater_> as an end user you probably wouldn't notice the resets 19.42.45 # <GodEater_> except as poor performance perhaps 19.42.47 Quit pondlif1 (Client Quit) 19.43.59 # <Strife89> Guess I'll take the plunge and try it. 19.44.29 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.45.48 Part Strife89 19.48.21 # * bertrik hears "loading" twice when loading a plugin 19.48.39 # * GodEater_ doesn't use voice 19.49.29 # * LambdaCalculus37 neither 19.50.23 # * bertrik likes to have stuff work even if he doesn't use it personally 19.53.29 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 19.57.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 19.59.10 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.59.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF6C82.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.02 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.03.47 # <bluebrother> domonoky: any response from your student regarding your not-so-nice mail? 20.03.52 Quit barrywardell () 20.04.09 # <domonoky> nto till now.. :-/ 20.04.15 # <domonoky> s/nto/not 20.04.22 # <bluebrother> doesn't sound good :( 20.11.30 # * bluebrother thinks we should get a codename for 3.0 20.11.46 # <GodEater_> "Big Fish, Little Fish, Cardboard Box" 20.12.03 # <BigBambi> BoS? 20.12.07 # <bluebrother> :) 20.12.10 # <num1> "Rockbox 3.0" 20.12.34 # * GodEater_ thinks BigBambi's is the clear winner 20.12.40 # <BigBambi> \o/ 20.12.43 # <bluebrother> and for later releases make every new code name have a part in common with the old one. That's a quite funny thing :) 20.13.22 # <GodEater_> we just need variations on the word "Bag" 20.13.27 # <GodEater_> we can go for "sack" 20.13.28 # <BigBambi> Sack 20.13.34 # <BigBambi> You win this time 20.14.06 # <BigBambi> When (if) Rockbox gets too bloated we can go for Suitcase 20.14.11 # <GodEater_> pouch 20.14.14 # <bluebrother> "shit was last release" 20.14.16 # <GodEater_> holdall 20.14.21 # <BigBambi> Rucksack 20.14.23 # <GodEater_> skip 20.14.28 # <BigBambi> haha 20.14.30 # <bluebrother> Rockbox 3.0 "switch hold off" 20.14.41 # <bluebrother> "skipless playback" 20.14.53 # <GodEater_> nice 20.14.55 # <domonoky> "rockbox 3.0 with Doom" :-) 20.15.07 # <num1> "Write it yourself" 20.15.18 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@84.240.35.19) 20.15.29 # <num1> "Think of your own damn codename" (TOYODC) 20.15.43 # <BigBambi> Rockbox 3.0 - RTFM 20.15.52 # <bluebrother> that's a nice one as well. 20.16.17 # <bluebrother> "3.0 -- now heavily loaded (with games)" 20.16.51 # <domonoky> "3.0 -- rocks for sure" :- 20.16.57 # <bluebrother> hehe :) 20.17.13 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 20.17.30 # <bluebrother> "beat the player" 20.17.42 # <num1> How'd long it take to move from rockbox, "box of rocks" to BoS? :) 20.17.43 Quit shnee ("Konversation terminated!") 20.17.51 # <LambdaCalculus37> Rockbox 3.0 "Bomb More Bass" 20.18.43 # <bluebrother> "themes are broken" 20.19.16 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-59-8.columbus.res.rr.com) 20.19.31 # <bluebrother> or ... "the themes they are a-changing" 20.19.37 Quit Cyberdyskinesia ("Leaving") 20.20.25 # <bertrik> "Man, it's so loud in here" 20.20.45 # <LambdaCalculus37> "Loud Like Nature" 20.21.57 # <toffe82> LoudBy Nature 20.22.07 # <toffe82> loud by ^^ 20.22.38 # <bluebrother> "unlimited playback" 20.22.49 # <bluebrother> "beware of the bugs" 20.22.56 # <BigBambi> "You are welcome to a full refund" 20.22.59 # <domonoky> hm, shouldnt a "codename" be more like a name ? somethink like: "3.0 Codename: Icebreaker" 20.24.04 # <scorche|sh> we need to come up with some sort of theme...such as debian's is toy story characters, etc 20.24.31 # <bluebrother> bagders! 20.24.34 # <scorche|sh> species of badgers? 20.24.37 # <scorche|sh> hahaha 20.24.55 # <bluebrother> or something like "Amarok 1.4.9.1 - a we still love you release" 20.24.57 # <toffe82> "cool as beer" 20.25.06 # * domonoky wants different releases like: rockbox 3.0 basic, 3.0 professional and of course "rockbox 3.0 server edition" :-) 20.25.06 # <scorche|sh> ooo...varieties of beer might work 20.25.14 # <bluebrother> "Rockbox 3.0 -- beer is always on topic" 20.25.17 # * bertrik likes beer varieties 20.25.23 # <BigBambi> Beer! 20.25.27 # <bluebrother> rockbox 3.0 beer edition 20.25.41 # <scorche|sh> Rockbox 3.0 Trappist 20.25.54 # <toffe82> rockbox 3.0 lambic edition 20.26.03 # <scorche|sh> there are lots of beer names to supply us too => 20.26.09 # <BigBambi> yay! 20.26.16 # * domonoky wants rockbox 3.0 "oktoberfest edition" :-) 20.26.25 # * bluebrother likes "Hoepfner" pretty much (a local beer) 20.26.37 # <toffe82> we are better than ubuntu with this 20.26.56 # <LambdaCalculus37> Rockbox 3.0 "Delicious Duvel"! :) 20.26.59 # <bluebrother> but beer would be a great theme for naming :) 20.27.12 # <scorche|sh> "As a tribute to the thing that makes Rockbox possible, we have decided to name all Rockbox releases after varieties of beer." 20.27.19 # <BigBambi> hehe 20.27.22 # <bluebrother> cool. 20.27.28 # <domonoky> :-) 20.27.29 # * bluebrother would kinda like that 20.27.29 # <BigBambi> Rockbox: Powered by beer 20.28.00 # <bluebrother> "crafted with the help of beer" 20.28.02 # <LambdaCalculus37> Now who's going to work on that beer plugin for Rockbox? :P 20.29.54 # <toffe82> this one : http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/lyrics.html 20.30.57 # <scorche|sh> perhaps i should write up a proposal on the dev-ml to have the releases named after beer varieties and perhaps lay down some sort of way we can agree on names? =P 20.31.32 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 20.31.37 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.31.45 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 20.31.53 # <bluebrother> grrr. stupid router. 20.32.02 # <toffe82> yes 20.32.33 # <bluebrother> scorche|sh: good idea. 20.32.46 # * scorche|sh puts it on the list 20.34.19 # <bluebrother> hehe: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-c-820.html 20.39.56 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 20.41.43 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 20.42.18 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 20.46.01 # <Strife89> Say I just made a build with USB enabled. As long as the revisions are the same, I only NEED to copy the .mi4 file, right? 20.46.29 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-de78d20c1493a4ff) 20.46.31 # <GodEater_> Strife89: we never recommend that approach 20.46.39 # <GodEater_> always take the entire zip 20.46.47 # <Strife89> Alrighty, then. 20.48.16 Quit coatman ("Leaving.") 20.52.52 Join coatman [0] (n=Jacob@ppp-70-245-251-72.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 20.53.55 Nick nicktastique is now known as nicktastic (n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic) 20.56.43 Join Plouj [0] (n=Plouj@red.cs.yorku.ca) 20.56.56 # <Plouj> is sansa e200 a good buy if I want a good rockbox flash based player? 20.57.05 # <Plouj> it seems a bit expensive at a local store: http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=010803&cid=MP.29 20.58.22 # <LambdaCalculus37> Plouj: It's a decent flash-based player, but this is a better deal (and guaranteed to get you a v1): http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-MP3-Media-Player-w-FMVoice-Recorder-Factory-Recertified-Rockbox-Ready_p_0-32282.html 20.58.23 # <domonoky> Plouj: with the sansas you have to make sure dont get a "v2" model, rockbox doesnt work on these.. 20.58.48 # <tehpaper> can you downgrade the firmware? 20.58.54 # <tehpaper> i got a 260 coming in 20.59.10 # <Plouj> heh, shipping to canada will be a killer 20.59.11 # <domonoky> tehpaper: nope the "v2" has different hardware inside.. 20.59.16 # <scorche|sh> tehpaper: it isnt a firmware thing...completely different hardware 20.59.26 # <tehpaper> and that froobi one costs less than the one i got 20.59.42 # <tehpaper> and 2gig larger 20.59.55 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 21.00.20 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 21.00.24 # <LambdaCalculus37> tehpaper: And they're v1's. 21.00.32 # <tehpaper> teh 260s? 21.00.37 # <tehpaper> or this 270 21.00.47 # <LambdaCalculus37> The e270 I showed you. 21.00.54 # <Strife89> Hence the "Rockbox Ready". :) 21.01.02 # <tehpaper> nice to see its $15 off if you put in rockbox 21.01.10 # <tehpaper> for the cupon code 21.02.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.06.21 # <Plouj> what's the diff between 260 and 270? 21.06.55 # <BigBambi> 2 GB 21.07.23 # <Plouj> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3402958&CatId=2761 21.07.28 # <BigBambi> e260 = 4GB, e270 = 6 GB 21.07.33 # <Plouj> given that I can use an SD card, it's ok 21.07.37 # <Plouj> that's a cheap price 21.07.51 # <Strife89> Law of Buying Storage: Always buy way more than you think you'll ever need. 21.09.02 # <Plouj> does the SD card stick out a lot when inserted? 21.09.05 # <BigBambi> no 21.09.06 # <Strife89> No 21.09.12 # <Plouj> anyone else? 21.09.12 # <BigBambi> It is a micro sd card 21.09.14 # <Plouj> :p 21.09.23 # <BigBambi> It is tiny, and it goes in completely 21.10.12 Quit GodEater_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.12.50 # <Strife89> Again, my advice is to buy more storage than you think you'll need. 21.12.50 # <Strife89> Were it not for Rockbox, I wouldn't have a 260 MB chiptune collection. 21.14.02 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 21.14.38 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.14.39 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 21.19.49 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.20.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.20.27 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-403486.home.otenet.gr) 21.21.49 # <Plouj> Strife89: are you suggesting that I buy a player with already a lot of storage or just a lot of storage in general (including add-on cards)? 21.22.32 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 21.23.09 # <Plouj> am I wrong in looking only at flash based players for longer-lasting solutions? 21.23.32 # <Strife89> Buy a DAP with a lot of internal storage, then buy a big card if/when you decide to. 21.23.48 # <Strife89> Hard drive players probably last longer. 21.23.54 # <Plouj> what's a dap? 21.24.01 # <Strife89> digital audio player 21.24.05 # <Plouj> why do you think that dd players last longer? 21.24.09 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.24.10 # <Plouj> hdd* 21.24.28 # <Strife89> Flash has a limited number of read/write operations. 21.24.52 # <Strife89> Longest estimated life of flash is about 10 years on average. 21.25.20 # <Strife89> On the other hand, HDD based players are subject to damage from shock, etc. 21.25.21 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 21.25.34 # <domonoky> the harddrives also a limited lifetime.. and they are sensible to shock.. but they are much bigger :-) 21.25.57 # <LambdaCalculus37> It also depends on how well you take care of your DAPs. 21.25.58 # <bertrik> Strife89, where did you get that 10 years average flash lifetime figure? 21.26.08 # <crwl> has anyone actually worn out a flash drive? especially in a dap type usage where you read often and don't write all that often 21.26.22 # <Strife89> bertrik: I don't remember. Too high? 21.26.26 # <scorche|sh> crwl: good luck with that... 21.27.02 # <scorche|sh> Strife89: it isnt anywhere near as limited as people tend to say it is 21.27.45 Join Acky [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 21.29.48 # <Galois> wow, that's a great deal on the e270. 21.29.49 # * Galois buys one 21.30.10 # <crwl> too bad they don't ship outside the states 21.30.28 # <crwl> i think i paid about double for my e280, but that doesn't seem that bad either 21.31.00 # <Galois> yeah, I'll have to ship to my homies in the US, no big deal 21.33.34 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 21.33.46 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.47 # <Strife89> Hmmmm. I've made and installed a build with USB enabled, but it still reboots to the Sansa OF. Any ideas how to make that stop? 21.36.15 # <bluebrother> you sure you did a full rebuild? Tried a make clean already? 21.36.56 # <Strife89> didn't think about a make clean 21.37.30 # <bluebrother> if you put the options in CCOPTS it's quite possible the make system didn't notice that change. Not exactly sure about that though. 21.37.46 # <bluebrother> but doing a full rebuild is usually a good idea :) 21.39.22 # <Strife89> All I did was this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17947.msg131005#msg131005 21.39.22 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne182.ugent.be) 21.39.38 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-091-089-240-203.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 21.39.48 Join coatman1 [0] (n=Jacob@ppp-70-245-251-72.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 21.40.19 # <LambdaCalculus37> Strife89: Do a make clean, then edit the Makefile and add the line before you start compiling. 21.41.16 # <Strife89> Linux Torvalds doesn't flush. He just says "make clean". :D 21.41.22 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.41.31 # <Strife89> *Linus 21.42.39 # * bluebrother prefers to add the defines to config-<foo>.h 21.43.41 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3d0ac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1e00d9cca0c2b04c) 21.44.12 # <fml> Hello. Could an expert tell me if the approach described in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17718.msg130903#msg130903 would be a (or the) right one? 21.44.28 # <fml> If yes, I'd try to implement the feature. 21.45.01 Quit Acksaw (Connection timed out) 21.48.23 Join alex_dinamo [0] (n=BG@201.143.29.82.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) 21.48.36 # <alex_dinamo> hello guys 21.48.49 # <alex_dinamo> I just installed rockbox but need some help :( 21.49.01 # <BigBambi> best tell us then 21.49.16 # <alex_dinamo> I did somethng to my fonts (resetted color or something) and now the font color is the same as the background color, can't read anything 21.49.17 # <BigBambi> My mind reading skills aren't very well developed 21.49.23 # <bluebrother> he already told us he has a problem. Now get your crystal ball ;-) 21.49.28 # <BigBambi> alex_dinamo: Which player? 21.49.28 # <LambdaCalculus37> alex_dinamo: What device is it? 21.49.39 # <alex_dinamo> it is an ipod video 21.49.44 # <alex_dinamo> 30Gb 21.49.50 # <BigBambi> turn hold on as it starts booting 21.49.54 # <BigBambi> after the apple logo 21.50.01 # <BigBambi> it will reset the settings 21.50.02 # <LambdaCalculus37> Time it to the backlight coming on. 21.50.05 # <alex_dinamo> it boots, it sounds... all ok... just color of font... can't read 21.50.15 # <BigBambi> By the way, this is in the manual.... 21.50.21 # <alex_dinamo> oh, I see... 21.50.28 # <LambdaCalculus37> Or boot into Disk Mode, hook it to your PC, and delete the .rockbox/config.cfg file. 21.50.41 # <linuxstb> Or just edit that file to remove the fg/bg colour settings 21.50.42 # <alex_dinamo> great LambdaCalculus37 21.50.47 # <bluebrother> fml: I'm no core dev but it doesn't sound nice to me -- you still call apps code from the firmware level 21.50.55 # <alex_dinamo> one mor thing... little thing 21.51.02 # <alex_dinamo> I downloaded some themes.. installed... ok 21.51.05 # <bluebrother> but better wait for core devs to raise their voice. 21.51.15 # <alex_dinamo> but I do not get the same image as in the webpage 21.51.18 # <BigBambi> The WPS syntax xhanged recently, so they are out of date 21.51.35 # <BigBambi> You need to fix them - see www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps 21.51.41 # <bluebrother> hmm, we should _really_ get a theme site working before 3.0 gets released 21.51.43 # <LambdaCalculus37> alex_dinamo: Look for any themes that have been updated after June 23rd. 21.51.48 # <LambdaCalculus37> Or do what BigBambi says. 21.51.50 # <linuxstb> fml: I haven't looked at your patch, but calling apps/ code from firmware is a no-no. 21.51.58 # <alex_dinamo> after jun 23 21.51.59 # <alex_dinamo> ok 21.52.00 # <alex_dinamo> great 21.52.01 # <BigBambi> Sorry, www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS 21.52.02 # <alex_dinamo> thanks! 21.52.09 # <alex_dinamo> you've been very helpful 21.52.11 # <alex_dinamo> byt 21.52.13 # <alex_dinamo> bye 21.52.33 Quit alex_dinamo (Client Quit) 21.52.35 # <BigBambi> The lack of consistency in capitalisation of acronyms etc in the wiki is really annoying 21.52.36 # <bluebrother> linuxstb: how's the state of the themes website code? 21.52.45 # <BigBambi> e.g. WpsGallery vs CustomWPS 21.53.17 # <bluebrother> maybe there's a way to redirect pages like mediawiki can do? 21.53.38 # <BigBambi> Don't know 21.53.51 # <BigBambi> I think I'm right in saying only admin's can rename pages? 21.53.55 # <BigBambi> *admins 21.54.00 # <bluebrother> I think so. 21.54.13 # <bluebrother> not sure either 21.54.17 Quit coatman1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.55.14 # <linuxstb> Or switch to a Windows web server ;) 21.55.21 # <BigBambi> heh :) 21.55.48 # <Llorean> BigBambi: I think it's usually only when an acronym is the first "word" in a page name that it isn't all caps. 21.55.55 # <Llorean> But I'm not sure. 21.56.02 # <BigBambi> Hmmm, interesting thought 21.56.15 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.56.19 Quit coatman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.56.40 # <BigBambi> Llorean: PluginMpegplayer :( 21.56.57 # <Llorean> Well the plugin isn't named MPEGPlayer 21.57.13 # <BigBambi> Maybe not, but it isn't exactly clear 21.57.20 # <Llorean> True 21.57.26 # <Llorean> And the wiki page refers to it as MPEGPlayer actually 21.57.32 # <BigBambi> :) 21.57.39 # <linuxstb> bluebrother: Same as ever... :( I'll try and put what I've got in SVN asap, so others can start hacking... 21.57.47 # <Llorean> BigBambi: But I do agree, some solid rule would be nice 21.57.52 # <Llorean> For future pages, and to eventually fix existing ones. 21.58.09 # <BigBambi> yep, I don't really care which way, I'd just like a convention 21.58.12 # <bluebrother> yeah, I'd really like to take a peek. IMO we should really get a at least basic (read only?) website up for 3.0 21.58.36 # <fml> bluebrother, linuxstb: I have no patch yet, just thinking about making one. The firmware code would not call app code directly. The app code would register a callback function which would then get called by the firmware. 21.59.03 # <bluebrother> well, that's still calling apps code from firmware from my point of view ... 21.59.20 # <fml> So API wise there would be no such calls. 22.00.09 # <fml> The possibility of a callback would be a firmware feature. I.e. the type for the callback function would be defined in a firmware .h file. 22.01.21 # <fml> Then the firmware doesn't care who provides the function. It just happens ;-) that it's provided by the app layer in my (still hypothetical) case. 22.01.31 Part Strife89 22.02.00 Quit shnee (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.41 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 22.10.55 Join sepsep [0] (n=63a257ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-da0798b295900daf) 22.11.25 # <sepsep> can someone help me? 22.11.48 # <sepsep> hello?? 22.11.56 # <fml> Not if you don't tell us what the problem is 22.11.58 # <bluebrother> are we in a hurry? 22.12.04 # <sepsep> sorry 22.12.35 # <bluebrother> this is irc, people usually do things the same time ... and you need to ask a question. Crystal balls are quite problematic these days :) 22.12.36 # <sepsep> my sansa e260 wont mount after i installed rockbox 22.12.50 # <sepsep> any help?? 22.13.01 # <bluebrother> does it reboot into the OF for disc mode? 22.13.06 # <bertrik> boot the OF for disk access over USB 22.13.11 # <sepsep> t??wh 22.13.12 # <bertrik> (original firmware) 22.13.35 # <bluebrother> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ#Does_USB_work 22.13.47 # <sepsep> screen goes black or error -4 22.14.15 # <sepsep> n origional firnware boot 22.14.21 # <fml> Doesn't that mean that the firmware file can't be found? 22.14.42 # <bluebrother> hmm, shouldn't that not be an issue on the sansa? 22.14.47 # <sepsep> error with it 22.14.59 # <sepsep> after installing rockbox 22.15.05 # <Llorean> bluebrother: Depends on how he installed 22.15.10 # <Llorean> If he installed the old, old way. 22.15.16 # <sepsep> yep old 22.15.23 # <bluebrother> old, old? I even can't remember how that worked :) 22.15.26 # <sepsep> did in 2006 lol 22.15.37 # <Llorean> bluebrother: Rockbox bootloader replaced OF, and loaded OF from a .mi4 file 22.15.40 # <Llorean> Much like the e200R 22.15.55 # <bluebrother> then you need to reinstall the OF, then reinstall the bootloader ... 22.16.03 # <sepsep> how?? 22.16.14 # <sepsep> usb not rechniozed 22.16.23 # <linuxstb> Enter recovery mode 22.16.33 # <sepsep> hold while i do 22.16.56 # <sepsep> usb cable conected on screen 22.17.02 # <linuxstb> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick has instructions and links 22.17.05 # <sepsep> in recovery mode 22.18.08 # <sepsep> still not shown on comp in rec mode 22.19.11 # <bluebrother> well, if you have a microsd card you could try to move the OF.mi4 file that way (given that rockbox still boots) 22.19.48 # <sepsep> it does 22.20.03 # <bluebrother> but recovery mode works -- I used it myself before. 22.20.27 # <sepsep> what should it say in recovery mode? 22.20.48 # <bluebrother> something like "welcome to recovery mode" -- isn't that stated on the wiki page? 22.20.59 # <sepsep> then what? 22.21.12 # <bluebrother> nothing. It appears as (small) drive on the pc. 22.21.25 Quit snoh ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 22.21.37 Join Kevanx [0] (n=kevan@bas16-montreal02-1279588599.dsl.bell.ca) 22.22.04 # <sepsep> for me after that it says on device usb cable connected only 22.23.40 # <bertrik> how does the bootloading process on sansa work anyway? is it described in a wiki somewhere? 22.23.56 # <mcuelenaere> Bagder: could you "upgrade" my FlySpray status to Developer instead of "Reporter"? 22.24.09 # <Bagder> oh indeed! 22.24.49 # <bluebrother> sepsep: just tried it, works fine for me. After the welcome it only says "usb connected" 22.24.55 # <linuxstb> bertrik: As it comes from the factory, there is a Sandisk bootloader and the OF in the firmware partition. The boot code in ROM loads the Sandisk bootloader, which in turn loads the OF. 22.24.56 Quit Acky (Connection timed out) 22.25.12 # <bluebrother> and it appears as "16MB-FORMAT" on my pc. 22.25.15 Quit Kevanx ("Leaving.") 22.25.39 # <Bagder> mcuelenaere: done! 22.25.40 # <linuxstb> bertrik: Sansapatcher (by default) replaces the OF in the firmware partition with the Rockbox bootloader, and then writes an unencrypted version of that firmware to an unused part of that partition (so the Rockbox bootloader can dual-boot). 22.25.49 # <mcuelenaere> Bagder: thanks! 22.26.06 # <fml> bluebrother, linuxstb: so no more comments about the suppressing the backlight? I'll leave it then as it's not a very important feature for me. It was more of a academical interest. 22.26.09 # <linuxstb> bertrik: Sansapatcher can also replace the Sansa bootloader with the Rockbox bootloader, but then you lose recovery mode. 22.26.27 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 22.27.05 # <bertrik> linuxstb, ok thanks, that explains a lot 22.27.07 Join andrewbeveridge- [0] (n=586f8ea0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b226fbb770ac5e56) 22.27.57 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 22.28.38 Quit Horscht ("IRC is just multiplayer notepad") 22.30.09 # <bluebrother> bertrik: now "someone" write it down ;-) 22.31.27 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 22.32.05 # * bertrik looks around and whistles 22.33.22 Quit sepsep ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.33.56 # <andrewbeveridge-> hey, are saratoga, preglow or linuxstb around? :) 22.36.29 # <Bagder> andrewbeveridge-: try asking your question 22.37.17 # <Bagder> and I'm sure one of the guys who knows will answer if around... 22.38.01 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") 22.38.50 # * bluebrother adds "question" to ignore list :P 22.38.56 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.29 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@20.238.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com) 22.41.45 # <andrewbeveridge-> well, see it is kinda specific to the people who I have already spoken to, who are working on SoundCodecWMA in rockbox. But anyway, I've posted what I wanted to in the ongoing bug (9205). I really just wanted to see if what I found was of use :) 22.42.07 Join yonkeltron [0] (n=yonkeltr@c-71-230-172-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 22.42.28 # <Bagder> andrewbeveridge-: still, people read logs at times so expressing the points out loud up front is often the better approach 22.42.38 # <mcuelenaere> can someone confirm FS#7526 is fixed? 22.42.55 # <mcuelenaere> verify* 22.43.12 # <yonkeltron> i can't seem to get the bootloader to load and i'm wondering if i'm doing something wrong 22.44.55 # <yonkeltron> i have tried numerous time and done both the manual and the automagic install but no dice 22.44.56 # <andrewbeveridge-> Badger: ok sure. basically, there was some sort of bug in rockbox's WMA decoder which caused all of my WMA files to play badly, with skips every few seconds. I noticed the same behaviour in VLC media player, and as both use FFMpeg, assumed it was an FFMpeg problem. I have finally now confirmed that. 22.45.07 # <bertrik> yonkeltron, what player do you have? 22.45.54 # <yonkeltron> bertrik: iaudo x5 22.45.58 # <domonoky> andrewbeveridge-: it would be good to track down the revision of ffmpeg which made it work... *just updating rockbox wmaCodec to lates ffmpeg" isnt that easy 22.46.27 # <bluebrother> yonkeltron: how did you install? Did you follow the flashing procedure using the AC adapter? 22.47.43 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 22.48.42 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 22.49.13 # <yonkeltron> bluebrother: oh wait, srsly, that time it worked 22.49.19 # <yonkeltron> i must have had something wrong with the dir structure 22.51.06 # <andrewbeveridge-> domonoky: yeah, I figured that - trouble is I don't know where to start. I can't realistically test more than 20-30 FFmpeg builds. 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I'll go have a look at the trunk and see which builds affect WMA decoding. 22.51.29 # * bluebrother throws some vowels at yonkeltron 22.52.41 # * andrewbeveridge- yells at CGI:IRC 22.52.54 # <rasher> andrewbeveridge-: 20-30 builds should be more than enough if you do a binary search 22.53.00 # <domonoky> andrewbeveridge-: the key is a binary search, take build in the middle between rockboxs version and the known working.. if it works take the lower half, it doesnt the upper half.. and the do the same.. 22.53.43 Join andrewbeveridge [0] (i=andrew@88-111-142-160.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.54.09 Nick andrewbeveridge is now known as andrew_beveridge (i=andrew@88-111-142-160.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.54.31 # * andrew_beveridge gives up on CGI:IRC and fires up mIRC 22.54.49 Nick andrew_beveridge is now known as andrewbeveridge (i=andrew@88-111-142-160.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.55.15 # <bertrik> andrew_beveridge, you could narrow the search down a bit too by only testing revisions that actually contained a wma change 22.55.27 Join coatman [0] (n=jacob@ppp-70-245-251-72.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 22.55.31 # <bluebrother> andrewbeveridge: mibbit.com is a much nicer replacement for cgi::irc ... just in case ;-) 22.55.54 # <andrewbeveridge> yeah I figured that - I can't realistically test more than 20-30 FFmpeg builds. I'll go have a look at the trunk and see which builds affect WMA decoding. 22.56.23 # <andrewbeveridge> bluebrother: thanks lol, but mIRC beats all. I was onyl using the web interface cos i was lazy ;-) 22.56.51 # * bluebrother tried mirc once and hated it. irssi is wayyy better :) 22.57.06 # <bertrik> andrewbeveridge, oh sorry, somehow didn't you mentioned that already :) 22.57.19 Quit andrewbeveridge ("hasta la vista! thanks to those who helped me :)") 22.57.20 Quit andrewbeveridge- ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.00.35 Quit tehpaper (".•«UPP»•.") 23.01.49 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.06.03 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 23.10.17 # <bertrik> Anyone have objections against FS#9217? is a patch to improve line drawing in rockpaint by using bresenham instead of using multiplies/divisions 23.11.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.12.24 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.12.42 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.14.05 Quit linuxstb_ (Nick collision from services.) 23.14.33 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.15.54 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@89-125-27-86.dhcp-ripwave.irishbroadband.ie) 23.19.08 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.20.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.20.55 Join Bensawsome [0] (i=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 23.22.31 Quit nicktastic (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.23.53 Quit sitwon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.32.25 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.21 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-121415.home.otenet.gr) 23.35.14 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.37.37 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.38.26 Join safetydan [0] (n=evertond@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.39.41 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 23.41.29 Quit snoh ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows") 23.45.00 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.48.27 Quit sacarasc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.48.32 Join sacarasc [0] (i=sacarasc@cpc1-kemp3-0-0-cust978.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 23.50.12 Quit coatman ("Leaving.") 23.51.31 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@static-71-166-233-112.washdc.east.verizon.net) 23.54.43 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.55.48 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 23.58.06 Quit bluebrother ("sleep.") 23.58.19 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.58.55 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca)