--- Log for 09.08.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 18 hours ago 00.05.12 Nick drf|away is now known as drfsupercenter (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 00.10.15 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.10.27 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 00.10.48 Quit drfsupercenter (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.10.56 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4ce20572@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d1753339720e9acc) 00.11.07 # * mrkiko hate nnscript 00.11.09 Quit mrkiko ("leaving") 00.12.16 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 00.13.04 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.35 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4ce20572@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-10fcf67fe42b11bc) 00.16.17 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 00.16.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4ce20572@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-34f98ac35998beac) 00.16.34 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 00.21.09 Join drfsupercenter [0] (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 00.21.17 # OK, how easy is it to modify a display theme? 00.21.30 # I have one on my Sansa e280 that looks cool, but I hate how it shows the next song in the playlist 00.21.35 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181083122.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.21.37 # So if it's possible to tell it not to display that... 00.21.57 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say moo") 00.22.59 Quit Nibbler (Client Quit) 00.25.58 # Hm, guys, to upgrade Rockbox, all I need to do is drag the new .rockbox folder to the device? 00.26.03 # Or do I need to use the installer program? 00.26.15 # drfsupercenter: Open up the ".rockbox/wps/[themename].wps" file for your theme in a text editor, and refer to this page - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS 00.27.01 # OK 00.27.11 # Um, they're not all there 00.27.19 # In the Sansa I see about 20 themes, but there's only 6 files 00.27.22 # what's that mean? 00.28.19 # Oh, my bad, I was opening the wrong ones 00.30.08 Part Xqtftqx 00.30.54 Quit midgey () 00.31.20 Quit stripwax_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.33.48 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 00.37.31 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client") 00.38.56 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 00.39.32 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 00.42.34 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 00.43.32 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 00.43.35 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.16 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD212.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.44.46 Quit ender` (" Remember: A secretary isn't permanent until she's been screwed on the desk...") 00.44.48 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@71-35-99-88.tukw.qwest.net) 00.45.38 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.46.26 Quit Seed (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.46.26 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit rikai_ (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit m0f0x (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit crashd (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit preglow (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit elfolnx (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit sbhsu (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit HEx (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.26 Quit Soap (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.48.38 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.48.38 NJoin Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 00.48.38 NJoin BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@70-14-53-19.area3.spcsdns.net) 00.48.38 NJoin rikai_ [0] (n=blah@unaffiliated/rikai) 00.48.38 NJoin m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-67-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) 00.48.38 NJoin [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 00.48.38 NJoin preglow [0] (i=thomj@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no) 00.48.38 NJoin sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 00.48.38 NJoin Soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.48.38 NJoin elfolnx [0] (n=elfo@gnusrv.epfl.ch) 00.48.38 NJoin crashd [0] (i=foobar@lostnode.org) 00.48.38 NJoin HEx [0] (i=HEx@83-231-209-76.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 00.49.24 Quit scorche|sh (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.29 Join scorche|sh [0] (n=scorche@squisch.net) 00.49.36 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 00.54.51 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 00.56.08 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.58.03 Join rikai [0] (n=blah@pool-72-73-112-135.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 00.59.03 Join GASPAR [0] (n=fatihisl@89.211.53.180) 00.59.05 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 00.59.11 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.00.43 Join WilliamC25 [0] (n=chatzill@12.174.134.13) 01.01.05 # Hello, I have a problem with playlists and I have read the manual. 01.01.05 Quit GASPAR () 01.01.07 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.01.21 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 01.01.22 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-195-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.01.34 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-195-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.01.44 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.02.02 Join dummyACCT324 [0] (n=Jacob@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.02.21 Part dummyACCT324 01.02.42 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@201.100.19.209) 01.02.47 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]") 01.03.04 # Anyone? 01.03.46 Part toffe82 01.04.00 # WilliamC25: You haven't asked a question yet... 01.04.04 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 01.04.11 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.11 # How do you save playlists? 01.04.14 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 01.04.18 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 01.04.18 # It doesn't seem it will let me. 01.04.23 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.05.05 # WilliamC25: How far are you getting? What are you doing (and what does the manual say to do) and what's happening instead for you? 01.05.21 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 01.05.25 # I have a file name, and I have no clue how to continue after that. 01.05.52 # It says dynamic.m3u8 01.05.58 # But then what do I do? 01.06.08 # Have you read about how to use the virtual keyboard? 01.06.23 Quit rikai ("Leaving") 01.06.34 # I don't see any end or enter keys on it 01.06.42 # WilliamC25: That's not what he asked. 01.07.51 Quit coatman (Client Quit) 01.08.38 # Where is it in the manual? 01.09.30 Join coatman [0] (n=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.09.54 # Found it, doesn't help me 01.10.35 # WilliamC25: The button table where one button is described as "Exits the virtual keyboard and saves any changes" is unhelpful? 01.10.36 # Actually, it worked. 01.10.45 # I swore I did that before. 01.10.51 # I guess I didn't. 01.11.28 # Thanks 01.11.35 Quit GodEater_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.11.38 # I seem to overlook things because I thought I did them. 01.11.58 Quit WilliamC25 ("ChatZilla 0.9.83-2008062216 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 01.13.26 Quit rikai_ (Connection timed out) 01.13.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.00 Join coatman_ [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.14.15 Quit Zagor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.15.51 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.16.04 Quit coatman_ (Client Quit) 01.16.12 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 01.16.20 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.16.38 Part Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 01.17.15 Join Bensawsome [0] (i=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 01.20.42 Quit coatman (Client Quit) 01.20.50 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-141-46.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 01.21.36 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.25.37 Quit coatman (Client Quit) 01.45.03 # Hey guys, how do I update my Rockbox? 01.45.09 # Do I have to run the setup program again? 01.46.17 Quit mcuelenaere () 01.47.55 # No, you can extract the contents of the .zip to your device yourself if you want to. 01.48.16 # But what about themes and fonts? 01.48.21 # I installed extras when I installed it 01.48.27 # Would I just ignore those folders? 01.48.55 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.48.56 # Those aren't in the zip, so won't be touched when you *extract the zip to the device* 01.49.05 # Yeah they are 01.49.09 # There's a fonts and stuff folder 01.49.23 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@84.108.232.45) 01.49.58 # Hm. 01.50.14 # I'm using the EscapePod theme, and it shows the next song data, but wheN I search for %Ix it's coming up negative. 01.50.14 # Is there a substitute for that? 01.50.18 # (I'm trying to remove that entirely) 01.50.53 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@dpc671422032.direcpc.com) 01.53.39 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-FIFTY-NINE.MIT.EDU) 01.56.29 # The "x" in %Ix means any of the tags for track info - e.g. %Ia for artist. 01.56.43 # I see. 01.56.45 # So %I is just next track? 01.56.55 # %s%ac%?ia<%ia|%d2> 01.56.55 # %s%ac%?it<%it|%fn> 01.56.55 # %s%ac%?id<%id|%d1> 01.56.56 DBUG Enqueued KICK drfsupercenter 01.56.56 # That's what I see 01.57.03 # So if I delete those it'll get rid of that line? 01.58.06 Quit reacocard ("dinnertime") 01.58.39 # They all reefer to the current track - lower-case i, d and f. 01.58.59 # But all I'd need to do is delete it? 01.59.48 # If you don't want to display current track info, then yes. 02.01.05 # I don't want to display the NEXT song 02.01.16 # The theme has the current track info, then a status bar, then the times of the songs, then it shows the next song 02.01.19 # I don't want the next song 02.01.25 # Because it ruins the surprise :O 02.01.36 # As he said, capital letters are used for next track info. 02.01.51 # Read through the wiki page for exact tags, then find them in your .wps file 02.02.02 # The wiki said %Ix 02.02.06 # so I just want the %I stuff? 02.02.13 # %s%t4%ac%?Ia<%Ia>;%s%t4%ac%?It<%It|%Fm>;%s%t4%ac%?Id<%Id|D1> 02.02.15 # There's that line 02.02.22 # That's all next song info? 02.03.52 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 02.04.10 # Yes 02.05.05 # OK, I'll try removing that. 02.05.30 # Also... I know the Sansa itself doesn't support charging with a power outlet cable (I have a Zune adapter that lets you plug USB into the wall), but can I do it in Rockbox? 02.05.43 # I'm going out of town for a week and won't hav ea computer 02.09.33 # Rockbox on the Sansa doesn't support charging period yet. 02.09.41 # But I've charged my Sansa from dedicated chargers in the past. 02.13.01 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 02.13.54 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.14.22 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.14.44 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@c-76-23-106-132.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 02.18.37 Part pixelma 02.19.53 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.20.21 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.27.13 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.33 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-217-203.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 02.32.11 Quit drfsupercenter (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.40.57 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 02.46.42 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@dpc671422032.direcpc.com) 02.47.57 # quick question: are there any plans to support MTP or similar in rockbox? 02.51.10 # they're working on a USB mass storage implementation 02.51.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb 02.53.23 # n17ikh|Lappy: was that addressed to me? because I dont quite see how that answers my question 02.55.53 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.02.24 # reacocard, why do you need MTP support? 03.02.39 # reacocard: You said "or similar", both are USB storage protocols. 03.03.01 # advcomp2019: I'm a developer on Exaile, a linux media player, so having MTP support without needed to reboot to the standard firmware would be nice 03.03.36 # reacocard: If you specifically, and only, cared about MTP why'd you say "or similar"? 03.04.40 # because the flyspray request mentioned the possible of creating an open protocol like MTP, which if such a thing existed i'd love to add support for as well 03.05.12 # reacocard: Why is MTP at all desirable when syncing with Rockbox devices anyway? 03.05.22 # MTP synced music on the OF would still need a manual database init. 03.05.26 # so that you can avoid the DB rescan on load 03.05.35 # You can build the Rockbox database from the PC. 03.05.52 # neat, how? 03.05.59 # There used to be a tool for it 03.06.13 # "used to be" ? 03.06.16 # Yeah 03.06.24 # If I recall the stand-alone tool doesn't quite build any more 03.06.28 # hm 03.06.35 # Due to changes in the Rockbox source, since it uses our database code directly 03.06.52 # That being said, you could simply integrate support for the Rockbox database directly into your music playing software. 03.07.03 # We've tried to insure the code is suitable for such things, I believe. 03.07.07 # ensure. 03.07.16 # yeah that may be best, though I'll have to make the python bindings myself I guess 03.07.33 # Then a specialized protocol is unneeded, you just sync the songs then update the Rockbox database with the new ones. 03.08.14 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 03.08.30 # I see. yes that is nice, thanks. I'll look into this further 03.08.40 # Good luck.' 03.08.52 # It'd be really exciting to see some host application support such a thing. :) 03.09.37 # indeed :D though handling this with ipod and rockbox will be interesting as i'll have to update both DBs 03.09.57 # doable certainly, but a little awkward 03.10.34 # Well 03.10.41 # Updating the Rockbox database is much preferred anyway 03.10.56 # Several of our devices have hardware USB so MTP is impossible on those in the first place (or anything other than UMS) 03.11.02 # hm, though would I have to include a C lib to support this? because exaile's plugin architechure doesn't really allow that currently 03.11.18 # I can use external ones fine, they just cant be embedded in the plugin 03.12.26 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 03.12.45 # I dunno what your best approach is, honestly. 03.12.58 # I'm pretty near the limits of my knowledge about this part of the project. 03.13.19 # I don't believe it can be built as a standalone library though. 03.13.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.56 # hm 03.14.31 # how complex is the DB format? I guess at worst I could just re-implement it in python 03.15.07 # I don't know how complex it is, but it's intended to be as simple/efficient as possible for embedded processing, these devices aren't always the fastest in the world. 03.15.19 # good 03.15.23 # It should be possible to reimplement it. 03.15.54 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@70.255.43.51) 03.15.54 # excellent, that may end up being the easiest method, since then it would work perfectly on any architechure 03.16.13 # There *may* be endianness issues for the database itself. 03.16.25 # hm 03.16.31 # It might be important to know which type of player is attached, but there should be a file you can check to tell you this anyway. 03.16.41 # well, the list of devices supported is finite so that's easy to check 03.16.48 # Yeah 03.17.26 # If it matters, I'm not sure either way, I just know that we have LE and BE targets. 03.17.54 # alright, I'll keep that in mind 03.18.30 # I'm grabbing a copy of the latest source now, are there any additional docs or anything that I'd need as well or is everything in the archive? 03.22.36 # In the documentation index on the website there's a section, "For Developers" which is the best place to look if you do run into some further questions. 03.23.12 # Other than that, your best bet is the developer mailing list. While IRC is excellent if the right people around, complicated questions are best sent there so that people who aren't immediately around are more likely to see them 03.23.57 # alright, thanks a ton. you've been a great help 03.24.07 # Sorry I couldn't be more. 03.24.37 # not a problem, this is more than I'd anticipated when I asked my initial question :) 03.26.50 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 03.28.59 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 03.34.56 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.34.57 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.09 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.38.07 Quit reacocard (".") 03.39.33 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.40.14 Join CaptainKewl [0] (n=jason@207-237-173-165.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.40.27 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.47.06 Quit Bensawsome (Nick collision from services.) 03.47.09 Join Bensawesome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.47.35 Join Bensawsome [0] (i=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.51.32 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@189.155.27.171) 03.57.00 # linuxstb, what changes did you make to the 5G WPS page? Wiki history doesn't work on such a large page :( 03.57.56 Quit Bensawsome (Nick collision from services.) 03.58.19 Join Bensawsome [0] (i=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.58.28 Quit Bensawsome (Nick collision from services.) 03.58.32 Nick Bensawesome is now known as Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.58.40 Quit Bensawsome (Nick collision from services.) 03.58.53 Join Bensawesome [0] (i=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.59.39 Quit Bensawesome (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.59.53 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 04.00.26 # I ask not because I am challenging any changes you made - but because I am curious what needed changed on that page which doesn't need changed on all the pages. 04.00.37 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.29.26 Join drfsupercenter [0] (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 04.29.34 # OK, ack... I updated my ROckbox and now my themes are screwed up. 04.29.42 # The .wps of EscapePod theme is still good I think, but it won't load. 04.29.46 # I load it and it's some other stupid one 04.30.20 # when you load your themes and they fail do you always see the same one? 04.30.31 # Well 04.30.41 # The background and fonts change... nothing else seems to. 04.30.51 # I copied the wps folder over since it wasn't included in the new build 04.31.17 # how old was the version you updated from? 04.31.30 # about 2 months ago 04.31.30 # drfsupercenter: a bit back, a few bits of the WPS syntax changed...you are likely using old, broken themes 04.31.32 # Not sure exact dates 04.31.38 # So what do you suggest? 04.31.42 # Is there a new themes package I can get? 04.31.57 # The only one I really like is called EscapePod 04.31.58 # This is a pretty common problem, because the wps format changed 04.31.59 # see if they have been fixed in the wiki, or fix them yourself 04.32.06 # Well can I just download new themes? 04.32.09 # With new .wps? 04.32.13 # Or what 04.32.18 # and please place single thoughts on one line...it is extremely annoying when 04.32.19 # you 04.32.20 # type 04.32.21 DBUG Enqueued KICK scorche|sh 04.32.21 # like 04.32.22 # this 04.32.29 # Sorry... old habit of mine :P 04.32.42 # yes and no, there are a few themes that have been modified to accomidate the switch, but many of the themes on the site are in the old format 04.32.56 # It's pretty simple to change them yourself, let me dig up a link that explains how 04.33.01 # OK 04.34.15 # however, you might find it easier to just download new ones from the wiki if they have been fixed 04.34.25 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 04.34.44 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 04.34.53 # Can I have a link to the themes download? 04.35.34 # go to WpsGallery in the wiki 04.36.36 # So all I need is the .wps file? 04.36.52 # Yeah, the only thing that changed it the .wps format 04.37.04 # Another question... For some reason my database refuses to update... like I'll see two of the every song, no matter how many times I tell it to update 04.37.06 # Any ideas there? 04.37.11 # unfortunately I couldn't find that link for you, but here's a spec of the current format http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 04.37.27 # have you rebooted after updating the database? 04.37.36 # Yes, many times 04.38.52 # hm... when you turn on your player after updating do you see something saying "Commiting database changes [x/8]" on the screen for a few seconds? 04.39.09 # drfsupercenter: those might be trash files stored in the "recycle bin" or some ther sort of trash directory that your computer created....if you wish t be sure, create a playlist with both of the copies in them and then look at the path of the file 04.39.40 # num1, no 04.39.51 # scorche, you mean recycle bin on the Sansa? 04.40.13 # your computer creates it...it is a hidden folder, but do what i suggested later and make sure 04.40.43 # I'm set to see hidden files and I don't see any hidden folders 04.40.51 # with the original firmware it works fine 04.41.51 # well, yes..it is a different database...could you try putting the 2 copies in a playlist and looking at the paths? 04.42.09 # I can once I sort out the theme thing... There's so much stuff it would take me forever to fix it by hand :/ 04.42.14 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF57D6.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.42.14 # There's no patch program or anything? 04.43.25 # drfsupercenter: I'm certain there is, because I've heard it talked about before, but I have no idea where to find it 04.44.20 # Is it possible to just roll back to the old wps syntaxes? 04.44.22 # there is a script, but it only fixes the pv tag and not the viewports tag as that is a much different thing 04.44.49 # have you checked the wiki to see if the themes were updated? 04.45.04 # There isn't of the one theme I like 04.45.52 # But what do you mean viewports tag? 04.47.06 # well you could check out an old version of the code from cvs, build it yourself, and install that on your player. But it's probably much easier to update your .wps's 04.47.29 # Heh, I'm on Windows so I can't build anything. 04.47.35 # I'm leaving for camp tomorrow and kinda just want to get this to work :/ 04.49.07 # I'm pretty certain if you backup your .rockbox folder, and replace it with the current build, http://build.rockbox.org/ , the default wps and theme will work fine for your camp and then when you get back you can work out the wps problems 04.50.16 # The problem is I didn't back up the old files 04.50.18 # Just the themes 04.50.25 # So all that's on there is the current build with old themes 04.50.31 # Are there any other plain themes? 04.52.31 # well, then get the current build and copy over the /backdrops, /fonts, /icons /themes, and /wps directories 04.52.40 # That's what I did... 04.52.47 # But since the wps stuff is old, it's not working 04.52.53 # I mean the other way around 04.53.01 # Oh, you mean get rid of all the old themes? 04.53.16 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.53.17 # copy the new directories into whatever's installed now, it'll only overwrite your default themes 04.53.31 # What if I just totally reinstalled it 04.53.37 # I know there's an option to install all the fonts and themes 04.53.39 # your custom themes will still be there for you to fix when you get back from camp 04.53.51 # It wasn't custom, it was one of the "all themes" that came with the installer 04.53.59 # drfsupercenter: Those didnt' come with the installer 04.54.03 # They were downloaded... 04.54.05 # From the site 04.54.10 # They're custom themes from a third party site 04.54.12 # Point is, I didn't make it 04.54.16 # o.o 04.54.23 # our installer is just capable of downloading them for you. 04.54.27 # That site is currently entirely out of date. 04.54.28 # If I ran the installer again, would it find that third party site and download a new one? 04.54.31 # Oh. 04.54.38 # So there's no automated way to fix the .wps? 04.54.48 # Your only choice are "pick a new working one from the wiki" or "fix it" 04.55.04 # I would fix it, I just don't know what I'm changing in the file. 04.55.12 # Is there a list, like "Change this value to this value"? 04.55.13 # A good opportunity to learn. 04.55.27 # If it was as simple as that, there could be a script to do it. 04.55.34 # I know there's that list of all the new syntaxes, but I don't really get what the old ones mean 04.55.53 # You can view old versions of the custom wps page. 04.56.18 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 2 hours and 35 minutes at the last flood 04.56.18 # * num1 puts writing a wiki page about porting the old .wps files on his todo list 04.56.46 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 04.57.08 # Where is that, Llorean? 04.57.18 # Unfortunately when my computer crashed all my tabs were lost... 04.57.18 # drfsupercenter: Links at the bottom of the page. 04.57.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS <-- So that's the current one? 04.57.49 # Yes. 04.58.34 # So what's the old one? r113 or whatever? 04.58.49 # that's *an* old one. 04.58.58 # I don't know which revision holds the appropriate changes. 04.59.00 # What would it have been back in May? 04.59.10 # Look for the one that removed the %P tag and changed the syntax of the %pb one to include a filename 04.59.12 # Would it help if I uploaded the .wps file? 04.59.15 # drfsupercenter, i took me a while to fix the theme that i use but it was easier then i thought 04.59.39 # advcomp2019, what theme do you use? 05.00.13 # the e200 plain text theme 05.00.20 # Oh 05.00.22 # drfsupercenter: I'm not offering to fix it for you, so uploading it would be pointless. 05.00.36 # The one I use is called EscapePod... I like it because it's basic looking but not TOO basic 05.00.37 # If it doesn't use the %m tag, and if you were using an official build it couldn't have, fixing it shouldn't take you too long. 05.00.52 # Well let's see.. I'll open the fiel 05.00.53 # *file 05.01.33 # %?mp<%xdb|%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd>%?ps<%xde>%?mm<|%xdf|%xdg|%xdh|%xdi>%?mh<%xdi>%?bs<%xdj>%?lh<%xdl>%?bs<%xdk>%?pv<%xdr|%xds|%xdt|%xdu|%xdv|%xdw|%xdx|%xdy|%xdz|%xdA|%xdB>%?bl<%xdm|%xdn|%xdo|%xdp|%xdq> 05.01.38 # That's one line. 05.01.50 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 05.02.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 05.02.19 # drfsupercenter: Is the word "you" confusing in "you need to fix it"? 05.02.35 # I'm not asking you to fix it... but do you know what version that is? 05.03.00 # One after all of those tags were introduced... 05.03.13 # As I said, you need to look for the %P and %pb tag change. 05.03.23 # So %P is the current one? 05.03.26 # No. 05.03.28 Quit Zarggg () 05.03.30 # %pb is? 05.03.31 # Or what 05.03.33 # That's why it's not mentioned on the wiki page at all. 05.03.38 # %pb was changed and %P was removed. 05.03.46 # Oh. 05.04.30 # I'm googling to see if there's an updated version... which would save me a lot of work 05.05.12 # It can be fixed in less than 60 seconds once you learn what needs to be done, and if you'd compare the page before %P was removed with the one after you could fairly easily see the changes in those two tags I suspect. 05.05.20 # You're wasting a lot of time to avoid what really isn't a huge amount of work. 05.05.38 # I just don't know what everything means... it's all jibberish to me. 05.05.40 # It's only difficult if your WPS used the %m tag for margins, and if yours did it wouldn't have worked with an official build anyway. 05.05.41 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@e176118001.adsl.alicedsl.de) 05.05.58 # OK, let's see... This one was uploaded July 19. Was that before the wps change? 05.06.00 # drfsupercenter: You don't need to know what anything means but those two tags, and what they mean is described on the wiki page... 05.06.18 # Oh, only two tags were changed? 05.06.23 # I thought they all were 05.06.28 # * Llorean sighs. 05.06.42 # Sorry, I'm new to this... all I know is how to use my hardware LOL 05.06.58 # You're as capable of reading the changelog as anyone else. 05.07.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges <-- Is that the changelog? 05.08.10 # That's the MajorChanges page. 05.08.19 # I just searched for changelog... 05.08.22 # An excerpt of the changelog is shown on the front page. 05.08.28 # With links to pages showing more history. 05.08.36 # Hm 05.08.42 # you might want to read the forums and like the change logs 05.09.04 # So it would be under subversion? Or what 05.09.12 # I can't find a page called "changelog" >_> 05.10.12 # The page isn't called that. 05.10.19 # "changelog" is just a generic term for "log of changes" 05.10.35 # Oh 05.10.38 # In this case it's the block labelled "Subversion" on the front page, because Subversion is what we use to track our changes, so Subversion's logs are our changelog. 05.10.49 # OK 05.13.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.26 # Hey, look at that! I downloaded another .wps and it worked fine/ 05.16.32 # Guess it was updated after all. 05.16.41 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.16.44 # So now to address the duplicate files problem... 05.17.07 # What is the difference between Initialize Database and Update Database? 05.17.47 Quit jhulst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.22.18 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.28.53 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.30.16 # drfsupercenter: Update should only add or remove entries, not modify existing ones. Initialize should be like re-doing the database from scratch 05.39.02 Quit HellDragon (Remote closed the connection) 05.40.17 # So you're saying I should initialize database and then restart it? 05.40.31 # I've let it sit for an hour or two and nothing happened... like how long should it take? 05.41.52 # I didn't say anything like that... 05.42.04 # I just answered your question about the difference between the two. 05.42.14 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 05.42.16 # Well if the database is all messed up, is it better to initialize? 05.42.21 # I usually do both but it doesn't fix it... 05.43.29 # It's better to try to figure out why it's messed up rather than just trying random things. 05.43.39 # And it's better to understand what you're doing *before* you do it. 05.43.45 # LOL 05.43.47 # So what do you suggest? 05.43.55 # All I know is theres two or three listings for every song 05.43.59 # if I go to Database - Title 05.44.08 # However, if I just click Files and go to the Audio folder, it works fine. 05.46.10 # Have you checked those listings to make sure they point to the same file on-disk? For example, insert all three into a playlist then view the playlist file to see where they're located? 05.46.28 # Hm, I'll try that. 05.46.30 # One second 05.46.33 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4ce20572@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-caf09663a278306e) 05.46.44 # It's just odd that in the original firmware it works fine but with Rockbox it doesn't 05.47.21 # Why? 05.47.24 # How do I make a new playlist from the player? It just says "Inserted 0 files, click previous to abort" 05.47.33 # Why is it odd? Because that means there's some error in Rockbox... 05.47.42 # But why is it odd that there's an error in Rockbox? 05.47.47 # It's unreleased software. 05.47.47 # I also don't get why the OF even works with a folder called Audio when it should be called MUSIC 05.47.49 # yeah I know 05.48.00 # It's just a weird problem 05.48.05 # It doesn't happen on my c200, only the e200 05.51.09 # They appear to point to the same file. 05.51.09 # /Audio/Another Night.mp3 05.51.09 # /Audio/Another Night.mp3 05.51.13 # That's what it shows. 05.51.22 # I added both songs to a new playlist... so what's that mean/ 05.51.32 # Is that just some problem in initializing>? 06.01.04 # No clue. 06.01.32 # You might be best off resetting settings, deleting the .tcd files in the .rockbox folder, then initializing. Once. Make sure it finishes then properly shut down and boot up the device. 06.02.40 # What's the tcd files do? 06.09.39 # Oh cool, I got it... I just deleted the .tcds like you said 06.09.40 # Thanks 06.10.05 Nick drfsupercenter is now known as drf|away (i=your_mom@d14-69-192-60.try.wideopenwest.com) 06.13.37 Join vitja [0] (n=vitja@79.120.98.174) 06.13.47 # what would cause rockbox to load the rockbox_default theme but with different colors when trying to load a theme? Broken wps file? 06.14.00 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 06.14.42 Join nightmare [0] (n=Mitchell@24-179-171-36.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) 06.14.46 Part nightmare 06.16.01 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.19.45 # n17ikh|Lappy, yes, sounds like a broken theme to me 06.19.52 # I see 06.20.01 # googling around tells me some wps elements have been removed 06.20.21 # like %P, which this wps uses :/ 06.20.52 # I've no idea how to fix this. Guess I'll poke at it until it goes away 06.27.16 # * n17ikh|Lappy throws his hands up 06.27.26 # I'd have to learn the entire WPS language to do anything with this 06.29.13 Quit XavierGr () 06.33.28 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4ce20572@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2ee9b15bb4756903) 06.34.34 # n17ikh|Lappy: No, you don't. 06.34.53 # Find the last revision of the CustomWPS page that explains the %P tag and write down %P and %pb and their parameters 06.35.02 # Then view the current page and look at the new %pb 06.35.06 # Then adapt the old two into the new one. 06.35.24 # You don't need to know any other tags if it was previously compatible with official builds. 06.37.11 Quit vitja (Remote closed the connection) 06.37.27 # it uses %m 06.37.33 # I'd need to figure out viewports 06.37.47 # and I have no idea what it was doing in the %m lines 06.38.14 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.38.17 # If it uses %m then it wasn't compatible with an official build in the first place. 06.38.35 # Actually, wait 06.38.41 # %m was added eventually for left margins, right. 06.38.55 # it's in the graveyard now, anyway 06.38.59 # Well you'll need to replace anything using a left margin with a viewport. Still don't need to know all the tags but it is a good bit more complicated. 06.39.00 # apparently the author is unreachable 06.39.24 # I'm not that enamored with it 06.39.30 # if I went to that much trouble I would just write one 06.41.52 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.43.52 # it was the best AA WPS I've ever come across though 06.43.56 # for the sansa, anyway 06.44.24 # only did a few silly things, as opposed to the majority which are awful 06.59.26 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.59.40 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 07.00.15 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 07.00.40 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.00.54 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 07.10.50 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.12.00 # Where can I find the default rockbox theme so I can look at some of the tags it's using? 07.12.08 # (on the c200) 07.12.23 # the file itself claims to be never loaded by rockbox 07.13.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.17.47 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.18.30 # Mainly, I'm trying to figure out how to get it to display (track number)/(total tracks in the album) instead of (position in playlist)/(length of playlist) 07.19.11 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 07.20.07 Quit nuonguy ("Leaving") 07.20.26 # I'm searching through the customwps page on the wiki and am unable to find the ability to use the id3 totaltracks tag... :/ 07.23.07 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.23.27 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.24.09 # if it exists. 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I think it might refuse to turn off with USB plugged in. 10.22.49 # again nothing 10.28.16 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.28.22 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.32.46 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.35.17 # webmind: I would try to give it a good charge and then try to reset again. This seems to be the infamous apple bootloader bug where it refuses to boot, it is not completely related to Rockbox but it shows more often when you have Rockbox installed (because the Apple firmware usually hibernates). There are quite a few reports on this in the forums, especially about Nanos 10.48.03 # ok, thanks 10.48.53 # is it an idea to have it on FAQ? I'm not sure who has access to that. 10.56.15 # webmind: you can have access if you want 10.56.29 # I can? 10.56.50 # ah 10.56.51 # wiki 10.56.58 # register for the wiki and we'll grant you edit permissions 10.57.08 Join mazling [0] (i=largeear@host86-149-16-31.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) 11.01.05 # n1s, done 11.01.51 # although when I click on edit for my own page.. 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I know some have a built-in codec... 13.17.54 # linuxstb: vitja asked about it a few minutes agoo 13.18.38 # I think he wants some documentation/datasheet 13.18.48 # I haven't found any... 13.19.13 Quit avis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.19.30 # but if I understand correctly most of the TCC7x players have external codecs? 13.19.35 # wolfson's 13.20.35 # The Wolfson datasheets are (mostly) available from Wolfson's website. The ones that don't have a datasheet appear to be almost identical to ones which do. Rockbox has many wolfson drivers 13.20.53 # Some players have built-in codecs though, and afaik, those aren't documented. 13.21.02 # s/players/CPUs/ 13.21.03 # ok 13.21.25 # well I think vitja meant the iAudio7 is a player with this kind of CPU 13.22.00 #