--- Log for 13.08.108 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.14 # it can go to the recovery mode 00.00.22 # thats all 00.00.33 # in normal, it says load image failed 00.00.37 # goto recovery mode 00.00.57 # same thing, means the same old data 00.01.18 # i have tried overwriting the firmware 00.01.23 # and bootloader 00.01.28 # but it doesnt change 00.01.48 # Did you unmount/eject/whatever the recovery filesystem properly? 00.02.10 # i havent touched it 00.02.19 # but i had tried to upgrade 00.02.28 # and the next thing i see 00.02.38 # there is version.txt 00.02.44 # with incomplete data 00.03.01 # virtuoso015 - can you please press Enter less frequently? It makes it very hard to read actually 00.03.04 # and whatever i put in there (BL, firmware, .fmt file) 00.04.00 # What operating system are you using? 00.04.10 # its lost and the player does not retain it or use it. So, right now, i am just left with a bricked phone 00.04.18 # i use ubuntu 8.04 00.04.44 # sorry, bricked player 00.04.58 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.05.00 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.05.04 # OK, so after you copied those files to the recovery drive, did you properly unmount before unplugging? 00.05.18 # yes, i did 00.06.22 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 00.06.41 # After that, did anything interesting show on the sansa's screen? 00.07.06 # it just said formatting and then restarted 00.07.58 # Now, all it shows is the boot splash screen , followed by the error message" load main image failed , goto recovery mode" 00.08.14 # OK. Have you already tried only the bootloader and firmware, not the .fmt file? 00.08.45 # i have tried every possible combination mentioned in the unbricking page at the rockbox wiki 00.08.48 # When I changed OFs on my sansa e260, it was enough to put just the main firmware on it 00.08.50 # but no help 00.09.26 # i started with just the firmware , then i did both firmware and .fmt , finally , i did all three 00.09.26 # * gevaerts doesn't have an e200 himself, so he leaves this to people who know more about it 00.09.36 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.09.36 # virtuoso015, what's the exact name of your .mi4 file? 00.09.55 # pp5022.mi4 00.11.04 # ok, I think that's correct 00.12.08 # bertrik, have u used the e200tool ? 00.12.55 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.37 # Does the read and write functions in the e200tool access the RAM or the NAND ? 00.13.44 # virtuoso015, no I've never used it 00.14.47 # IIRC, the expected behaviour is that the recovery mode writes the firmware to flash as soon as you unmount the device, then reboots itself 00.16.08 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.16.08 # yes, but in my case, when i disconnect the usb cable, it just gives a message saying cable is disconnected and is stuck there. I have to perform forced power down to shut it off 00.18.20 # this is just a guess, but can you try renaming the pp5022.mi4 file to firmware.mi4? 00.18.30 # i did that also 00.18.57 # no use, i read somewhere its meant to be for the hebrew version. Mine is a US version 00.19.13 # virtuoso015: did you wait a while before force rebooting? 00.19.22 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.25 # * mcuelenaere thinks the WPS editor proxy source is a bit of a mess atm 00.19.43 # yes, yesterday, i left it for a whole 6 hrs... no use 00.21.17 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@ics131-6.icsincorporated.com) 00.22.10 Join Lambdargh [0] (n=Lambda@ics131-6.icsincorporated.com) 00.23.58 Quit Lambdumb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.48 # virtuoso015, I'm running out of ideas, I've never changed the OF under Linux, always under windows, so maybe that something to try 00.25.24 # hmmm... yes, will have to try that... do we need any special tools for that ? 00.26.48 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.27.03 # no, it just appears as an USB drive, you can use explorer to copy the files 00.27.36 # ok, will try that and let you know how it goes... thanks for the help, bertrik 00.27.37 # cya 00.27.49 Part virtuoso015 00.28.15 Quit Genre9mp3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.29.34 Quit bertrik ("-> recovery mode") 00.31.06 Quit avis- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.37.35 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.37.40 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4408011.home.otenet.gr) 00.42.01 Quit Lambduh (Success) 00.44.01 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.44.54 Quit stephencc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.49.05 Quit n1s () 00.51.31 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 00.51.44 Join oofus [0] (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 00.54.23 Quit Lambdargh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.12 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.05.41 Join naurus [0] (n=47271835@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ddcf6fb48058a185) 01.07.40 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.08.00 # hey guys. do you think it would be possible to incorperate the cairo vector drawing library into rockbox? 01.10.45 Quit mcuelenaere () 01.11.00 Nick oofus is now known as oofus[away] (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 01.11.01 Quit stripwax (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.11.16 # anything? 01.12.19 # naurus, please have patience in waiting for an answer 01.12.59 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.13.29 # sorry. you've helped me before, krazykit. usually the reply is quicker tho. *sigh* 01.13.54 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 01.13.59 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 01.14.25 # naurus: I don't see how that would ever work in any reasonable way. 01.14.47 Quit ender` (" Women and Cats will do as they please. Men and dogs had better get used to it. -- Robert Heinlein") 01.15.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.15.49 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 01.15.51 # rasher: i agree at first glance, but i know that somehow incorperating the two could seriously add to rockbox's popularity and convenience 01.17.06 Quit cbr|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.17.21 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 01.17.48 # acutally, a better question is: Would cario ever work on certain mp3 players? 01.17.54 # naurus: For one thing, cairo makes heavy use of floats, so that's strike one. Large amount of code added to Rockbox for comparatively little gain (I doubt an increase in popularity would follow as you think) - strike two. 01.18.28 # And we really don't need fancy graphics drawing that bad. 01.19.28 # the reason i'm wondering this is that i love rockbox, but i really despise the user interface - including all the themes 01.19.56 # so make your own WPS. 01.19.58 # I really don't see how shoehorning cairo into Rockbox would change that. 01.20.03 # and when i hand my mp3 player to people, they freak out and don't understand how to use it. 01.20.46 # You're proposing a technical solution to an aesthetic problem as far as I can tell 01.20.52 # i guess maybe not cario, but support for png's and a new main menu. oh, and a change to the language file that changes the word Database to Music or Collection 01.21.37 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-250-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 01.21.55 # or how tough would it be to write a rockbox-only graphics engine that's optimized for mp3 players and downgradeable to B*W for archos for example 01.22.16 # We already have a graphics engine... 01.22.42 # one that can draw widgets? 01.22.52 # One can draw whatever one pleases 01.23.30 # in bmp format though, right? 01.24.09 # Well, in native bitmap format 01.25.00 # So what you *really* want is a png loader and support for an 8-bit alpha channel? 01.25.04 # to me, that's not acceptable. i'm a graphic/web designer, and, one of the reasons i don't write for ie6 anymore is because of its lack of support for png alpha transparencty 01.25.14 # yes. that would be nice. 01.25.27 # naurus: I'm currently writing a png viewer because I believe rockbox needs one. If you think rockbox needs a completely redone UI I wish you good luck, but I warn you against telling someone else (or telling the rockbox community as a whole)to do it. 01.25.50 # but i think being able to write a gtk-like theme for rockbox would be nice. but very complex 01.26.02 # naurus: I don't see why this is necessary. You absolutely 100% *know* how the screen looks at all times, so you can adjust your bitmaps as necessary 01.26.08 # num1_: I love you. 01.26.15 Nick num1_ is now known as num1 (n=brian@unaffiliated/num1) 01.26.54 # There is no guessing involved as with web pages (rendering bugs, screen sizes). You have full control. 01.27.54 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.28.06 # but lets say that you enable movement in the main menu, like in the sansa e200. that's not static. and if you want rockbox to become more feasable to people, you'll probably end up needing to add transparency 01.28.55 # and then people complain about sluggishness of the menus... 01.28.59 # what is so "infeasable" about rockbox? 01.31.16 # naurus: I'm confused as to what you're mentioning... even the OF didn't use transparency in the main menu 01.31.55 # to me, it gets really annoying when things aren't modern. the main menu on rockbox is anything but modern 01.32.21 # so things need to be shiny and have animations to be usable? 01.32.38 # naurus: rockbox is functional. Cool graphics take up screen space and reduce functionality. 01.32.58 # not to mention it would be sluggish as hell on many devices that simply cant handle that sort of thing 01.33.17 # not to be useable, but to be feasable in the real world. and the real world is more than just us coders. 01.33.27 # that really doesnt make sense 01.33.32 # I want them to be usable - e.g. in the c200 OF you only see one menu item at a time and need to scroll through all of them to even know the items, that's more unacceptable 01.33.38 # You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it does. 01.33.48 # naurus: again, if you want rockbox to look better any of us would be glad to give you limited support in writing it yourself, but telling us what rockbox "should" be like is a bad idea 01.34.04 # i totally prefer the origonal firmwares (for the e200) look and main menu to rock boxes 01.34.19 # then use that 01.34.25 # naurus: but how many function did the OF have compared to rockbox? 01.34.31 # s/function/functions 01.34.44 # the OF are generally much simpler than rockbox is and can get away with such things 01.34.54 # i would love to write it, and i've been thinking about learning C just for that, but currently i'm totally absorbed in a huge webpage 01.35.16 # num1: How far are you on your png viewer? 01.35.24 # I'm sorry, but you're not going to see Rockbox turned into something some hypothetical user wants, at the expense of flexibility, simplicity, ease of use (yes, ease of use) 01.35.25 # not to mention the unacceptable loading time of the c200 OF, can't imagine what they did there 01.35.27 # num1: everything in rockbox (except the db and graphics) is better than the OF 01.35.59 # num1: I actually also wanted to write one, but I'm kinda dropped the idea for now :S 01.36.25 # naurus: Where is the OF graphics better? 01.36.44 # naurus: It uses simple bitmaps too 01.36.48 # mainly the man menu 01.36.55 # main* 01.37.18 # I found the OF's menu exceedingly frustrating to use 01.37.25 # You know the "mechanics" of the of's main menu? you baiscally only change the bitmap shown 01.37.28 # kugel: i doubt it. the newest firmware has animation and i don't think that uses bitmaps 01.37.45 # I never noticed animations 01.37.46 # kugel: yeah in the future a redesign is on my todo list (I've already got sketches) but I figured a png plugin was more practical, easier atm 01.38.14 # num1: So, is it already working? ;) 01.38.16 # num1: i'd be interested in checking out your sketches 01.38.29 # num1: if you don't mind 01.38.35 # naurus: trust me, it's bitmap blitting. There's nothing cool or revolutionary about the OF's main menu 01.39.00 # on my e200 there isn't animation, but in my friends there is 01.39.06 # and it's smooth 01.39.09 # naurus: I'm using 1.02.24, I can't spot animations 01.39.31 # kugel: lol, I've got a lot of it done, but I'm stuck at trying to display images that are bigger than the screen, so I haven't added support for alpha yet either 01.39.39 # Rockbox has smooth animation, better than all OFs. Check the coverflow plugin. 01.39.58 # num1: Mind to post your progress on the tracker? 01.40.09 # hmm. can we implement coverflow with the main menu? 01.40.22 # blinking animations... what the world needs... :\ 01.40.38 # naurus: Please no. For the love of god. 01.40.41 # naurus: lemme dig them up, clean them up a little, scan them in, and upload them to a file-sharing site. That's a lot of effort so you're probably going to have to wait until the weekend for me to be able to do that. and they're really not all that good anyway so it's probably not worth waiting 01.40.44 # kugel: you have to have the newer sansa - it has different firmware 01.41.15 # naurus: You can implement in the main menu. Feel free to prepare a patch. Although it's unlikely to be accepted 01.41.32 # rasher: actually a coverflow background on the main menu would be really cool. I can only imagine how much time that would take to code though. 01.41.40 # num1: no thanks :P i thought you meant something you quick cooked up on the computer. you meant ACTUAL sketches! lol 01.41.47 # naurus: lol 01.41.49 Part toffe82 01.42.10 # num1: Good luck with getting that accepted 01.42.23 # dang. i wish i knew C. i would totally work on this 01.42.24 # num1: I'm still interested. As I already asked, would you mind to post your progress on the tracker? 01.42.51 # kugel: yeah I'll post a tracker entry sometime soon 01.43.02 # Great 01.43.12 # kugel: BTW, you have the best rockbox mod IMO :) 01.43.18 # though, sad that someone did something before I do :( 01.43.33 # naurus: Thanks, but that's off-topic here ;) 01.44.22 # kugel: I really don't like the quality of the code at this point though. I've been testing on my sansa e280 and haven't even started working on stuff like endianness, screens w/o color, low-memory targets, etc. I'll clean up the code a little first and then post it if you don't mind (Also so I don't look like a programming idiot ;) ) 01.44.28 # kugel: yeah, i thought so. i decided to take the risk of getting kicked off. but back to me possible learing C... does anyone know a good starter tutorial online? i've looked before but didn't like any of them. 01.45.32 # num1: Well, I can't hold you back I guess. Although I don't think people will complain at this early stage about coding style 01.46.47 Join johnnyboy [0] (n=johnnybo@c-68-82-184-236.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 01.47.03 # num1: Note: There's this great wording which is always a good excuse: work-in-progress :D 01.48.12 # kugel: lol, have you seen my turkish language translation, now that's a "work-in-progress" :D 01.49.43 # JdGordon: Any progress in testing the pf patch? Have you read my latest comment? 01.50.09 # JdGordon: oops, yes you read it. 01.50.22 # naurus, much more likely than integrating coverflow into the main menu would be someone to write an alternate menu system as a plugin. 01.51.18 # Rockbox as a Rockbox plugin. Excellent GSoC project. ;) 01.52.28 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 01.52.39 # Turtles all the way down. 01.55.35 # naurus: learning C is quite easy. Just take any of the mass tutorials and read the rockbox source parallel 01.59.09 Quit maraz_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.06.50 Join neddy1 [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-978d33900d54dfd8) 02.06.58 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.07.14 Quit krazykit ("back on thurs") 02.08.20 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.08.27 Quit jhulst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.09.08 Quit neddy1 (Remote closed the connection) 02.11.20 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@24-236-216-206.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 02.13.14 Part pixelma 02.15.20 Nick oofus[away] is now known as oofus (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 02.15.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host237-225-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.16.37 Join Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 02.18.06 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 02.22.06 Quit oofus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.31 Join neddy1 [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-efa373fdab6babba) 02.24.43 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.25.15 Quit neddy (Connection timed out) 02.27.02 Quit Reptile211 ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]") 02.30.28 Part johnnyboy 02.31.09 # Soap: In terms of "the best way for users" I would imagine it actually being more like Database being able to call plugins as one of the filters in the chain, instead of any making the whole UI pluggable. 02.31.33 # ? 02.31.56 # You mentioned about half an hour ago Coverflow in main menu vs alternate menu system as a plugin 02.32.40 Quit jhulst__ (Remote closed the connection) 02.32.53 # My intention was not to describe the "best way for users" in any shape or form. My intent was to make the point that the _most likely_ way to get your "alternative" UI ideas seen and accepted would be to make an alternative UI plugin. (Does plugin have one or two g's? pluggin?) 02.32.56 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@24-236-216-206.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 02.33.07 # Aaaaah 02.35.06 # Something would need to be done about the (as I understand it) all-or-nothing approach to plugins taking the audio buffer (for I assume an eye-candy fest of a UI would exceed the plugin buffer) but an alternative filebrowser / simple menu plugin should be relatively easy. 02.35.21 # Well, the plugin buffer is pretty darn big. 02.36.08 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-4-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) 02.36.14 # But everyone (who proposes such things) seems to want a kitchen sink of a UI with ponies and rainbows and antialiased widgets which dance with the devil in the pale moon light. 02.36.26 Join coatman [0] (i=coatman@ppp-70-246-151-189.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 02.37.06 # The dancing ponies might be problematic, yes, sprites aren't small by nature. 02.38.18 # But look at the Rockbox binary's size. According the the dev.cgi page the binary itself is approximately the size of the plugin buffer, with RAM use being 2-3 times the binary's size. 02.38.48 # I can't imagine a large part of the binary is list rendering, and if your plugin was just an alternate means for list rendering you probably have a lot of elbow room. 02.39.33 # It would be nice if plugins could "buffer" a piece of their data, though. 02.40.10 Join DaCapn_ [0] (n=dacapn@nemo.csn.tu-chemnitz.de) 02.46.19 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 02.58.30 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.01.26 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 03.04.36 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 03.06.34 Quit midgey () 03.10.17 Quit dabujo_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.10.40 Quit Yondering ("Leaving") 03.15.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.22.12 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 03.26.41 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.32.25 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 03.41.22 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.41.23 Quit coatman ("See You All Later") 03.45.38 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 03.45.44 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-EIGHTEEN.MIT.EDU) 03.47.34 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@75.8.207.17) 03.55.31 Join woodensoul [0] (n=noneofya@pool-72-86-108-207.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) 03.56.44 # hey all, I noticed some work is being done for Creative's line of players. I have a Zen Xtra that I just slapped a 160GB hard drive in, but the only way I'd be able to utilize the entire space is through Rockbox. Does anyone have any links or info on this possibility? 04.02.37 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 04.02.42 Join kugel_ [0] (n=chatzill@e178102225.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.02.49 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=chatzill@e178102225.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.03.01 # I noticed ZenUtils being committed to SVN. Anyone have details? 04.04.47 # woodensoul: Just read the forum thread and the related wiki pages.\ 04.08.06 Join jfm3 [0] (n=user@c-98-221-176-228.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 04.08.58 # Llorean: Are you referring to the Zen Vision:M thread? 04.10.27 # woodensoul: I don't know. My point is merely that you should be looking for posted information, and if there's not any, it means there really hasn't been much work done. 04.11.01 # Hello I'm running r18217-080807 on an ipod 4G. When I power down, the ipod seems to crash. It displays a full screen image of a low battery, and then stops in such a way that no button presses seem to bring it back. I have to crack the case and interrupt power to get it to boot again. I have checked the battery with a volt meter and it is fine. Any/all clues appreciated! Cheers! 04.11.18 # Point taken. I just thought there might be some more info available here. 04.12.28 # jfm3: That's a five day old build. And turning hold on then off, and holding menu and select, will still reboot it. just keep trying. 04.12.53 # The full screen image of a low battery is from Apple code, it's a problem with their bootloader. 04.12.54 # will try thanks Llorean! 04.13.43 # Their code in flash runs before anything else, and it doesn't always seem happy with a fully shut down iPod. People have run into this without ever installing Rockbox, but since the iPod doesn't actually shut down as often when you're not using Rockbox (it suspends for quite a long period before it actually shuts down) it's not encountered as frequently. 04.14.27 # Is there a better way to idle the ipod with Rockbox than the full shutdown? Just let it sit for 10m or w/e? 04.14.44 # What do you mean "idle" it? 04.14.56 # If you wait for idle poweroff it's still a full shot down. 04.15.02 # I see. 04.15.09 # And please use real English. "w/e" isn't a word. 04.15.42 # No problem. Thanks again for the help. 04.16.22 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 04.17.44 Quit jhulst__ (Connection timed out) 04.25.29 Join curtmack [0] (n=curtmack@h74.140.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 04.28.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.28.37 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E32.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.28.45 # I have a question about the NSF decoder... why doesn't it segment the tracks? Shouldn't it be impossible to play an NSF file from start-to-finish like the NSF decoder on Rockbox does? 04.29.34 # * num1 notes that we do use words such as OF here and wonders why w/e isn't allowed 04.29.35 # oh wait, I see... 04.29.54 # num1: Because "OF" is a term specific to the Rockbox project anyway 04.30.33 # If we couldn't use technical terms, words like "bootloader" "sansapatcher" wouldn't be usable either. 04.30.54 Quit JdGordon_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.33 # num1: Basically, anything on this page qualifies as a real word in terms of the channel guidelines: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary 04.34.56 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.35.53 # Llorean: thanks for the clarification 04.36.44 Join jsutton [0] (n=jasutton@24-197-139-230.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) 04.37.41 # * Llorean fixes the IRC Guidelines page to include mention of it. 04.38.41 Quit curtmack ("sleepz") 04.40.27 Quit neddy1 (Remote closed the connection) 04.50.41 Quit jsutton (Remote closed the connection) 04.55.10 Join Normmatt [0] (n=normmatt@124-197-18-83.callplus.net.nz) 05.03.02 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 05.04.03 Quit jhulst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.05.41 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.05.51 Quit tarbo_ ("leaving") 05.06.25 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 05.07.23 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 05.07.41 Quit ChristopherW (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.04 Join tarbo [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 05.15.03 Join guest12341 [0] (n=42bc55d4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f353a95b6a264503) 05.15.17 # hello? 05.15.23 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.15.27 # test 05.15.42 Join webguest11 [0] (n=42bc55d4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3603f5d23bb4ad9e) 05.15.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.15.47 # hello 05.15.48 Quit guest12341 (Client Quit) 05.15.58 # anyone here? 05.16.38 # I have some questions... if anyone's available to answer some? 05.17.15 # so ask them.... 05.18.30 # hi, erm, I just installed rock box, and I'm trying to get it to charge while connected to the computer without playing through the computer's software. Before I could just eject the drive but now a message of okay to disconnect lingers 05.18.30 # JdGordon: could you already overcome the issue where parts of the screen show parts of the previous screen (e.g. wps) when using a non-fullscreen parent? 05.19.11 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.24 # kugel: thats a problem with the screen not clearing parts it not using... 05.20.01 # webguest11: It sounds like you have an iPod? If so, just hold Menu while connecting it to the host computer. 05.20.53 # JdGordon_: Yea, I already noticed ;) However, I'd think it should be clear'able with some use of display->update() or display->clear_display(), but it isn't 05.20.54 # yes I do have an ipod... it's ipod classic, there's no port of it but apparently ipod video's port works on it... hopefully it's not harmful :o 05.21.17 # webguest11: No, video's port doesn't work on it. 05.21.24 # I'm using it right now :/ 05.21.26 # kugel: clear_display should do it... 05.21.29 # webguest11: If Rockbox runs on it, it's not an iPod Classic 05.21.33 # orly 05.21.37 # You had an iPod Video and were confused. 05.21.38 # well ebay was wrong... 05.21.47 # well, now I know :) 05.21.59 # anyways, going to try the the menu button then 05.22.59 # JdGordon_: apparently it doesn't 05.23.22 # ok, so you might have to set the vp to NULL first.. 05.24.38 # holy shit it works, though the computer's popping up found new hardware... I assume this is normal and good? :) 05.24.44 # JdGordon_: That doesn't work either. Also, clear_display does that already 05.25.21 # webguest11: Yeah, just cancel. 05.25.57 # kugel: show me.... are you updating the screen after the clear? 05.26.14 # Llorean: I think Apple have retroactively renamed the previous iPods "Classic"s. 05.26.34 # cool_walking_: Funny, their website for identifying distinguished them as separate just a couple weeks ago. 05.26.53 # Still does: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 05.27.24 Quit naurus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.27.29 # JdGordon_: Ah, update() ds+ 05.27.36 # oops 05.27.45 # s/ds+/seems to do it/ 05.29.34 # JdGordon_: Well, a clear_display() and update() causes flickering again 05.29.34 # Wikipedia says they've become a "Classic line" on the iPod and iPod_Classic pages. They don't seem to cite anything though... 05.30.18 # cool_walking_: well, I just cited you Apple's own "Identify your iPod" page. 05.30.24 # You don't get a more definitive source than that, really. 05.31.41 # Well, I'm off. Cu 05.31.43 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008072820]") 05.34.00 # Llorean: Apparently this ( http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/specialevent0907/ ) is the source, but I don't have sound. 05.34.40 # "around 00:25:00" 05.35.14 # Around 00:25:00 according to who/what? 05.35.59 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IPod_Classic#Is_this_article_about_Ipods_or_.22classics.22.3F 05.36.37 # "Original Style" 05.36.43 # That means "not the Nano style and not the Touch style" 05.36.53 # It doesn't necessarily or even suggest to me it means "all previous iPods" 05.36.57 # err, wrong anchor. scroll down to "They are not all called iPod Classic" 05.36.57 # They're talking about form factor. 05.38.09 Quit webguest11 ("CGI:IRC") 05.39.25 Quit Horscht ("http://www.geisterfahrer.org") 05.45.32 # cool_walking_: I think the problem is the difference between "classic" being used as an adjective, ie "Classic iPods" and as a proper noun for a specific single model, "iPod Classic" 05.48.58 # cool_walking_: Yeah, I've just watched the relevant part of the video. He basically says "Because the iPod doesn't have a name, since it was first, now they're the iPod classics" 05.49.17 # Which is basically just a way to distinguish them from the touch and the nano and the shuffle since they're all "iPods" 05.49.34 # So "classic" is the name for the form factor, "Classic" is the name for the model. 05.49.53 # ah 05.50.10 # Still, the most clear designation will be a mention of the generation anyway. 05.53.43 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 06.02.49 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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(Or whatever we need to do) 10.18.28 # The problem is users still have to specify a command-line argument, so it's no easier than using -X 10.23.53 # even harder, since they have to download a public key 10.24.45 # Can the cygwin setup program be run with a list of packages for unattended installations? 10.24.49 # i think we should scrap the cygwin packages and use a tarball and a shell script 10.24.57 # I agree 10.25.01 # Like, could we tell them to run the usual cygwin setup, then "drag and drop setup.exe on this batch file" or something? 10.25.20 # it's onlt a matter of unpacking the archives at /opt 10.25.42 # Can rockboxdev.sh tell it's inside cygwin? 10.25.45 # * Llorean doesn't know how that works. 10.25.56 # I would assume there's plenty of ways to check. 10.26.06 # i believe rockboxdev.sh works in cygwin 10.26.21 # the problem is that it takes a day or two to compile ut 10.26.23 # I meant, though, could it tell it's in cygwin and just download the packages and extract 10.26.27 # Instead of performing a full build 10.26.39 # ah, that could be neat 10.26.40 # Maybe ask if you'd like to use the precompiled packages if cygwin is detected. 10.26.46 # good idea 10.27.09 # That then brings us back to having one single "how to get cross compilers working" set of instructions. 10.27.10 # and having the tarball on our download mirrors should give people speedy downloads 10.27.19 # exactly 10.28.10 # the only reason we use the cygwin installer is that it was simple, but now it isn't simple anymore 10.28.53 # besides, using the command line shouldn't be a problem, because if you install the development kit, you should be able to use the command line anyway 10.31.08 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.31.13 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.33.21 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.33.57 # so what would the "install" part involve, after the download? 10.34.17 # untar and update bash_profile 10.34.44 # I thought you didn't want to fiddle with people's env variables 10.34.59 # oh you mean tell them to.. 10.35.50 # that's about the only problem the cygwin users have 10.35.59 # updating the PATH 10.36.08 # and that seems to be a huge obstacle for some 10.36.53 # Isn't it the same for Linux users? 10.37.03 # the cygwin packages have an install script that updates /etc/bash.bashrc 10.37.07 # I thought the people who had trouble with PATH were mostly on Linux, not Cygwin. 10.37.15 # cool_walking_: actually no 10.37.45 # because most linux users seem to know what it's all about 10.38.12 # many cygwin users install cygwin only to apply some lame patch 10.38.17 # Reading the cygwin announcement, it sounds like they're aware of how inconvenient this is, so may come up with a nicer solution for custom mirrors in the future. Couldn't we simply recommend (and provide a link to) an older setup.exe for the immediate future, and see what happens? 10.38.51 # Yeah but I think some people are new to Linux, sort of using Rockbox as an excuse to get into Linux, I think. 10.38.59 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 10.39.01 # linuxstb: i think we should go for the rockboxdev.sh approach anyway, because building those cygwin packages is a pain in the butt 10.39.15 # linuxstb: Having rockboxdev.sh download and extract them seems *more* elegant to me actually, since it unifies the install instructions quite a bit. 10.39.23 # Llorean: exactly 10.39.51 # in fact, we could even provide .deb packages too, if we wanted to 10.39.52 # Yeah, less diverging instructions is always good. 10.40.00 # otoh, even I managed to build them ;) 10.40.32 # petur: the cygwin packages? 10.40.44 # crosscompilers 10.40.51 # ah 10.41.13 # Wouldn't .debs likely break across distros? 10.41.28 # .debs are only for debian-based distros 10.41.43 # Yeah, there are lots of debian-based distros.. 10.41.50 # we could provide/keep packages for anything anyone wants to create 10.41.53 # and in this case there would be no difference between the debian-based distros either 10.42.10 # since the installation is so simple 10.42.27 # yeah, and it has very few external dependencies 10.42.42 # does it have any? 10.42.50 # glibc no doubt... 10.42.55 Quit Lambdumb ("Leaving") 10.42.56 # ah of course 10.43.04 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.43.58 # LinusN, Llorean: Sorry, I hadn't read the final part of the logs - I agree that would be nice, so ignore me ;) 10.44.15 # i'll have a go at it soonish 10.44.43 # * petur wonders about the h300 bootloader :P 10.47.48 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@ics131-99.icsincorporated.com) 10.49.21 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 10.51.28 Join krz [0] (n=chatzill@mail.jvl.by) 10.51.35 # hello 10.53.23 # petur: i have spent quite some time trying to understand what the problem is.... 10.54.13 # and it is hard since i don't have a player that exhibits the problem 10.54.22 # btw, bootloader usb doesn't work well in the version I have on it now - is that expected? 10.54.37 # i dunno 10.55.16 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.55.27 # so you need my h380? 10.55.42 # or make mine behave the same way 10.59.14 Join mazling [0] (i=largeear@host86-149-16-31.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) 11.00.22 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.00.23 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 11.05.21 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.09.45 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 11.15.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.18.20 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-186-157.psoas.suomi.net) 11.21.22 Quit dude187 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.21.46 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 11.21.47 Quit Lambduh (Connection timed out) 11.28.12 Join AhtiK [0] (n=ahti@88.196.5.82) 11.31.45 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 11.34.05 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 11.43.48 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.44.56 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.59 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.32 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 12.10.16 Join Kokos [0] (n=Kokos@host-53-195.compi.net.pl) 12.10.23 # hi 12.11.02 Quit ComradeHaz (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.11.07 # i'm looking for rockbox build with amiga modules support within. Is there any ready binaries or I must to compile it myself? thanx. 12.11.13 Quit DaCapn_ () 12.11.23 # are there* 12.11.42 # Any recent build should do that 12.11.48 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-250-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.13.07 # gevaerts, i used rockbox install util, and my rockbox doesnt recognize this *.mod format.. 12.14.14 # * gevaerts waits for someone who uses mods to comment 12.14.24 # but ill check it again. maybe i did something wrong. 12.16.52 # Kokos: aren't there a bazillion different amiga .mod formats? 12.18.05 # luckz, yeah. but i am trying to use the most popular protracker format. 12.18.31 # * Kokos it would be great when rockbox could support MOD files via UADE. 12.20.12 Part Kokos ("Leaving") 12.23.44 Quit kharo ("Leaving.") 12.24.10 Join ComradeHaz [0] (i=Haz@85.234.136.4) 12.27.17 Join bobjim [0] (n=leslie@118-92-160-206.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) 12.29.13 # hey I cant get rockbox to work on my flash based 4th gen ipod. 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Any help? 12.37.06 Quit mazling ("Inde da'covale misain ye; Caballien misain ye!") 12.44.38 # bobjim: Does the Apple firmware work? 12.45.14 # yeah 12.46.59 # What ata error is it giving? 12.47.49 Join Quintasan [0] (n=mzzz@dynamic-78-8-131-167.ssp.dialog.net.pl) 12.48.32 # Hiho, I am supposed to compile rockboy and zxbox in order to run it, cuz i cant see precompiled file 12.49.02 # Quintasan: Read the fine manual - they're "viewer plugins", so are run when you select a file in the file browser 12.49.42 # linuxstb: ATA error: -1 12.49.55 # then it says press on to debug 13.09.00 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.15.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.17.23 # krz: hi, I replied your mail 13.17.23 # mcuelenaere: hi, i'm writing a reply too :) 13.17.23 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@port-83-236-56-2.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.17.23 Quit krz ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 13.17.23 Quit LinusN (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.17.23 Quit B4gder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.17.23 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-223-242.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.17.23 Join Bagderr [0] (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e035756e543cbf5) 13.17.23 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 13.17.23 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e035756e543cbf5) 13.17.23 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host50-214-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.17.23 # krz: yes, now that I know there's something like WPS_REFRESH_ALL and fill_rect() is merely used as something to clear the viewports, it isn't really useful I guess 13.17.35 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.22.18 # krz: AFAIK Rockbox uses fixed-width fonts; I looked a bit into Qt's QFontMetrics but didn't found it ver useful, how are you going to solve that? 13.24.35 # there are proportional fonts in Rockbox, or do you mean something else than looks? 13.25.01 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.25.06 # I mean every character has the same width 13.25.13 # or am I wrong here? 13.25.36 # you are wrong 13.25.59 # Rockbox supports both fixed width and proportional fonts 13.27.34 # ah there's a font maxwidth? 13.29.41 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.43.36 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-127-205.rev.numericable.fr) 13.46.34 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.50.58 Quit bobjim ("Leaving.") 13.53.22 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.00.58 Quit Quintasan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.01.48 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@ics131-99.icsincorporated.com) 14.04.14 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dse206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.08.00 Nick gregzx is now known as GregZX (n=chatzill@dse206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.08.22 Quit ComradeHaz (Remote closed the connection) 14.09.44 Nick GregZX is now known as Gr3GzX (n=chatzill@dse206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.10.56 Nick Gr3GzX is now known as GregZX (n=chatzill@dse206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.23.38 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 14.30.26 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 14.30.55 Join krz [0] (n=chatzill@mail.jvl.by) 14.39.07 Part B4gder 14.43.29 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.44.04 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4408011.home.otenet.gr) 14.44.56 Join hashbang [0] (n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) 14.45.02 # heyas 14.45.33 # I've been hacking a bit on the rwps for the cabbiev2 theme; is there someone who'd be interested in receiving my mods? 14.46.06 # essentially, I trimmed the sides off the 'now playing' bar and added status icons for main/remote hold switches, disc, volume, battery and play mode 14.50.39 # how about the tracker? 14.52.13 # petur: hmmm? 14.52.33 # post your changes to the tracker as a patch 14.53.03 # and then nag people here about it ;) 14.53.58 # -> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 14.54.17 # I'm not sure everyone will agree with my asthetics, but I figured I've done the work, others might as well take a look to see if it's worthwhile 14.55.24 # you could also just post it as a new theme in the wiki, but since this one is SVN, I think the tracker is a fine place too 14.55.40 # include screenshots ;) 14.55.58 # petur: I also made the time played/remaining a subline (along with RTC), allowing the right hand side of that line to be used to display the id3 artist tag 14.56.09 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-86b123f4e6d70f2d) 14.56.32 # petur: oh, I need write access to the wiki, too 14.56.37 # * petur spots another *rock plugin and sighs 14.57.02 # hashbang: sure... wiki name? 14.57.45 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB21EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.58.11 # petur: AlexButcher 14.59.52 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.00.50 # done 15.01.25 # petur: ta 15.01.36 # petur: what's the best category for my rwps mods? 15.01.40 # WPS? 15.01.42 # or UI? 15.01.56 # * petur on the phone 15.02.22 # WPS. 15.02.36 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85.127.38.136) 15.08.02 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.08.26 # hashbang: and mention which remote it is for (I assume Iriver?) 15.08.56 # pixelma: yup; I did it for my H300 15.11.14 # I was mentioning it because the Iaudio remote is quite different (bigger and greyscale), the 128x64 monochrome remote can be used on the H100 and H300. I'd be interested in a more "complete" WPS for those as there are some possible targets with the same display type (iFP, Logik Dax) 15.11.58 # "type" in the sense of resolution and colour depth 15.12.16 # pixelma: feel free to use the icons I did - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9276 15.15.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.17.55 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 15.18.42 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A701F.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.18.55 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 15.19.02 # hashbang: you could also discuss your ideas in the "ongoing default theme contest" thread in the forums. As far as I know the creator of the cabbiev2 theme is more often around there and might have an opinion 15.19.52 # and add screenshots :) 15.20.36 # petur: I've never had a lot of luck getting the simulator to build 15.21.25 # huh? 15.21.43 # petur: in order to make a screenshot 15.22.04 # ../tools/configure S make make install 15.22.11 # hasbang: you can turn on the screen dump option we have under rockbox on your DAP directly 15.22.26 # moos: and that does the remote LCD too? 15.23.00 # * moos missed the begin of the conversation :) 15.23.09 # it doesn't 15.23.17 # moos: heh. no worries. :-) 15.23.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 15.23.31 # moos: I hadn't even considered that, so you might have been right. :-) 15.24.06 # just in case you will need it, now you know you can do it :) 15.27.06 # ls 15.27.08 # oops 15.28.16 # strange, wiki doesn't save changes... 15.30.51 # krz: reload the page 15.31.18 # LinusN: surely i reloaded it several times 15.31.58 # seems that changes are saved not immideatly 15.32.11 # which page? 15.32.12 # twiki also has a problem - WPSEditor is not a wiki word to it 15.32.55 # how can this be fixed? 15.33.20 # meh 15.33.56 # ok, how do I drive the UI simulator? 15.34.34 # * amiconn should really add remote screenshot capability 15.35.32 # krz: which page is it? 15.35.51 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21CFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.35.57 # LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WPSEditor 15.36.21 # "r10 - 13 Aug 2008 - 15:27:37 - RostislavChekan" 15.36.31 # looks fairly recent 15.36.39 # now it is saved, sorry for disturbance 15.36.59 # we should rename it to a wiki word that twiki accepts 15.37.53 # i'm not familiar with wiki, what can you advice? 15.37.57 # i just renamed it to WpsEditor 15.38.04 # oki 15.39.14 # so, btw, what do you think about editing in this described way? 15.40.32 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 15.41.32 Join virtuoso015 [0] (n=vinay@59.92.183.85) 15.41.40 # krz: i'm thinking more in the lines of how some html editors work, with a text editor and a live preview 15.42.17 # LinusN: what do you mean? 15.42.29 # but the option to click in the wps preview to reach the corresponding line in the wps source code is kind of nice 15.43.12 # krz: i mean a text editor box where you edit the WPS source code, and a live preview that shows how the wps looks like 15.45.26 # LinusN: ahhh, i meant a bit another way. when we select a line, we can drag neccessary tags and place them directly in the line, with no need to know all tags 15.45.54 # ah, nice 15.46.32 # i guess you would like both, though 15.46.45 # LinusN: but the variant you proposed could be implemented rather quickly 15.47.09 # i guess your editor could support both ways 15.47.18 # sure 15.47.32 # since not everything can be done with drag'n'drop anyway 15.48.13 # oki, i've understand :) 15.53.15 Part luckz 16.00.12 Join capt [0] (i=5147a47b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae1f0e0a88ff6450) 16.00.21 # * capt says hello 16.00.38 Quit AhtiK (Connection timed out) 16.07.51 Join tarbo_ [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 16.14.09 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.17.50 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.msg132077#msg132077 # screenshot of my modified rwps remote theme 16.19.11 Quit tarbo (Connection timed out) 16.37.37 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.37.51 Join AhtiK [0] (n=ahti@88.196.5.82) 16.41.37 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.46.15 Quit capt ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.02.18 Join dude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-51-53.columbus.res.rr.com) 17.02.44 Join mib_6wr96obz [0] (i=cdcdc8ee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0305c4f04f81a5f) 17.02.51 Quit Lambduh (Connection timed out) 17.03.34 Nick mib_6wr96obz is now known as MarcGuay (i=cdcdc8ee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0305c4f04f81a5f) 17.04.23 # Anyone care to comment on my intense desire to close this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9276? 17.05.16 # MarcGuay: I'm not stopping you. ;) 17.06.13 Part LinusN 17.10.04 Join olle-wp [0] (n=olle@81-232-34-150-no35.tbcn.telia.com) 17.10.24 # MarcGuay: sorry, I'm new to Rockbox dev and couldn't get any clear info on where to start contributing. I won't bother with it any further. Use it if you like, or not. 17.11.19 # MarcGuay: not a great way of encouraging new blood, though. 17.12.07 Quit crope` ("Leaving") 17.13.57 # MarcGuay: actually, it was me who suggested it was paosted in the tracker since it is about modifying an SVN theme 17.14.17 # -a 17.14.56 Join crope` [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-186-157.psoas.suomi.net) 17.16.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.42 # Meh. Confusing reigns. Sorry hashbang (same person as cowbutt?), the problem is that the tracker tends to get cluttered and it's easiest to prune when things show up. 17.18.09 # petur: Any thoughts, re-open? 17.18.12 # krz: I edited the WpsEditor wiki page a bit, hope you don't mind 17.19.29 # mcuelenaere: looks rather good :) 17.19.31 # hashbang: Please don't take it personally, there's just always a bit of disagreement about where things should go. 17.20.04 # MarcGuay: if it is about changing the SVN verion to make it better *and* other remotes will be fixed as well I think it can/should stay in the tracker. It's not supposed to be a new theme, after all? 17.20.24 # * petur hopes to learn how to type one day :/ 17.21.24 # petur: I put it on par with my helv12 remix of cabbiev2, which I just stuck in the wiki because I didn't intend for it to become a replacement, nor a "new" theme. In my mind it's better, but... 17.21.26 # let's ask the RSB :D 17.21.48 # MarcGuay: first of all I couldn't find an email address in the existing theme, then I asked on here, and petur said post to the tracker, then someone else said the wiki, now your closure note says post it somewhere else in the wiki. 17.22.27 # hashbang: just shows how well we're organized ;) 17.22.36 # MarcGuay: when I've made similar minor changes to components of other projects, I've usually just emailed the author of that component and asked them effectively to 'sponsor' it 17.23.02 # hashbang: I think it depends on whether or not you'd like to submit it for inclusion in the regular builds, or just as an optional version for those who want it. 17.23.43 # hashbang: The cabbiev2 default was made by a group of people and it's now just a part of Rockbox licensed under GPL. 17.23.57 # my thought was that it is a 'fix' for a file in svn so it should go in the tracker... 17.24.08 # MarcGuay: I don't mind. It works for me, but I figured it'd be nice if other people could benefit if they have the same itch but hadn't gotten round to scratching it yet. 17.24.28 # krz: the new PlainText feature is pretty nice, only thing is when you press "Update WPS" some of the bitmaps either won't show or show up as (garbled) rectangles 17.24.54 # MarcGuay: ultimately, I don't really have the time for the politicking in order to fight for my patches to go in. I try to make them tasteful enough that the original author doesn't object. 17.25.49 # mcuelenaere: jup, i know and wrote it in svn log. there is a solution also, on which i'm working on 17.25.59 # k 17.28.17 # hashbang: Alright I'm going to re-open the task but I'd also suggest posting it in the WPS gallery because it's more than likely to rot in the tracker and not be noticed (negative much, Marc?) 17.28.37 Quit krz ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") 17.30.11 # * gevaerts thinks that this doesn't belong in the WPS gallery 17.30.20 # hashbang: but would you care enough to 'fix' the other rwps screens too? 17.30.34 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.31.39 # petur: nope. cabbiev2 is good enough for me. 17.32.04 # I mean for the other targets with remote - not other themes... 17.32.41 # if the changes go it, they should go in for all targets 17.32.46 # there is only one more remote, right? (iaudio [xm]5/m3) 17.33.31 # could be, I'm not sure 17.34.22 # Two remotes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS 17.34.37 Join livingdaylight [0] (n=livingda@77-101-174-180.cable.ubr06.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.34.55 # ja hallo jungs 17.35.40 # i have a iAudio X5L and wonder what rockbox will give me that original firmware doesn't? 17.35.42 # MarcGuay: ah, the X5 remote is larger and probably doesn't need the change 17.36.54 # livingdaylight: have you already seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox ? 17.37.33 # petur: what do you mean with "other remotes get fixed"? 17.38.27 # pixelma: bring his rwps changes to other remotes. I now see there is just the x5, so I was probably just talking rubbish 17.39.05 # petur: But the "fix" is adding playstate icons, and the iAudio remotes currenrly don't have them either. 17.39.16 # the Iaudio remote has a quite complete port (IMO of course ;) ) because it is used as main screen on the M3. So I made it more like the othe "full screen" WPSs 17.39.17 # gevaerts: i hadn't seen no, thx 17.39.31 # * petur tries to shut up when only half informed :/ 17.39.38 # MarcGuay: ? 17.39.59 # when did you last have a look? 17.39.59 # how does one restore default firmware if i want to? 17.40.28 # pixelma: I'm using the (I guess outdated) DefaultWPS page as a reference. 17.41.30 # livingdaylight: that should be explained in the manual, near the installation instructions 17.42.20 # MarcGuay: yes, that's outdated. The DefaultWPS page just points to the entries in the WPS gallery for some targets, I asked around in the forums and yapper said he would update them with the changes, seems he only did so for the 160x128x2 screen :| 17.42.52 # maybe it was a misunderstanding 17.43.06 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.43.13 # what is Latex? 17.43.48 # i downloaded the firmware but i don't know how to install it to my iAudio now 17.44.11 # livingdaylight: Please read the installation chapter of the manual. 17.44.12 # livingdaylight: latex is a typesetting package; why do you ask? 17.44.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 17.44.58 # because i opened the manual and it was all about latex 17.45.24 # You probably did something wrong then 17.45.31 # livingdaylight: I think you went to the "how to help out with the manual" page. 17.45.52 # livingdaylight: use the link I just gave 17.46.00 # pixelma: So the X5 remote has icons now? The WPS gallery posting for cabbiev2 is also out of date if so. 17.46.38 Quit jhulst (No route to host) 17.47.09 # In which case hashbang's current modifications to the iriver remote are sufficient for it to be a 'complete' patch? 17.47.44 # yes, almost looks like the port for the Mini screen (which has also outdated screenshots in the gallery) 17.48.29 # krz: what do you think of the dynamic proxy library loading I use in the screenshot utility? Shouldn't something similar be used in the WPS editor in order to be able to use several targets in the same app? 17.48.40 # MarcGuay: (to the first question) 17.48.57 # wow, what a manual! its like a book! 17.49.10 # but it looks like Rockbox really Rockz! 17.49.23 # livingdaylight: read the manual, especially the installation instruction. For the Iaudios you should read the "manual installation" part too because there are bits and pieces of the installation process that are not very obvious when using RBUtil yet 17.49.37 # i just got iAudio X5 on eBay; so, i am excited 17.49.53 # Yes, a manual usually is a book. ;) 17.50.09 # RBUtil = the Rockbox Utility 17.50.13 # livingdaylight: How much did it cost you? $350+? 17.50.17 # Am I the only one who finds that the X5L uninstallation instructions are grammatically dubious? 17.50.17 # i thought it could be more like a pamphlet 17.51.03 # gevaerts: They are. 17.51.08 # MarcGuay: my winning bid was £105 (£111 including p&p) 17.51.19 # * gevaerts will s/.And/,and/ 17.51.42 # Same goes for the M5 and M3. 17.51.55 # * LambdaCalculus37 scratches the M3 17.52.03 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 17.52.12 # MarcGuay: that's about us$220 ?? 17.52.36 # * petur manages not to ask if the X5 came with a disk that was sold as-is 17.52.55 # i could have got a brand new iAudio D2 instead but liked the idea of 30gb to start off with 17.53.28 # petur: a disc? 17.53.49 # livingdaylight: don't pay attention to that. Inside joke 17.53.53 # MarcGuay: and yes, I think there could be a tracker entry for it. It's just that I see some more potential... but it would also give a place to collect ideas I think 17.53.55 # ok :) 17.54.24 # * gevaerts should soon have an X5L with an as-is disk :) 17.54.50 # * livingdaylight wonders about this inside 'as-is disc' joke :) 17.55.07 # livingdaylight: Don't ask, don't tell. 17.55.16 # petur: it is second hand X5 of course, but kept in immaculate condition it seems 17.56.01 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-7-189.dsl.telesp.net.br) 17.56.41 # * MarcGuay hopes hashbang isn't turned off by the anality (new word!) of the project. 18.01.16 Quit hashbang ("Client exiting") 18.03.52 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.06.06 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.09.29 Quit dude187 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.13.23 Quit MarcGuay ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.16.38 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpne096.ugent.be) 18.21.56 Join Plouj [0] (n=Plouj@red.cs.yorku.ca) 18.21.58 # hi 18.22.20 # what are the 3 newest players that rockbox supports? 18.25.12 # Check the front page: http://www.rockbox.org/ 18.25.38 # * gevaerts isn't good at this sort of exam questions ;) 18.27.37 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-203-137.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.36.12 Quit virtuoso015 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.41.10 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 18.43.57 # now what is the sim doing with 100% of the cputime on one core? 18.44.41 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 18.44.53 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-216-87.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.51.07 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.51.09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E32.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.52.25 Quit olle-wp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.53.02 Quit AhtiK (Connection timed out) 18.54.47 Join Reptile211 [0] (n=chatzill@host-216-66-248-9.static.linkline.com) 18.56.24 Quit obo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.56.24 # hey people yesterday i tried to reset my ipod mini by pressing the menu+select buttons and after the menu+play button and did not work 18.56.44 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 18.56.52 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.56.52 # and what is happening is that it gives me a folder icon 18.57.09 # then resets gives message do not disconnect 18.57.22 # and loops like this all day 18.57.25 # any ideas 18.58.02 # im thinking the hard drive might of just gave up 18.58.13 # anyone? 18.58.37 # LambdaCalculus37: that lists more than three players 19.05.39 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.05.40 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD47F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.05.55 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21CFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.06.22 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.06.34 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.07.13 # petur: is the "AGC clip time" shown in the recording screen too or just in the settings somewhere? 19.07.34 # just settings 19.08.26 # ok, thanks 19.08.46 # tried the recscreen already? 19.09.48 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 19.10.05 # no, not yet 19.10.25 # * pixelma will start compiling 19.10.47 Join olle-wp [0] (n=olle@81-232-34-150-no35.tbcn.telia.com) 19.11.47 Join AhtiK [0] (n=ahti@88-196-185-130-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) 19.12.35 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.16.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.16.14 # petur: and how is that "AGC" displayed in the recscreen - showing the chosen mode, something like "AGC: Live"? 19.16.30 # yes 19.17.20 # aha, so it would still be better to keep it short, even though not necessary but nicer to avoid much scrolling 19.17.37 # yes 19.17.58 # I shortened it in english.lang already 19.19.43 # that leaves me with the question how to do "translate" that into German, I already saw though that you didn't translate it in the Dutch language file... 19.20.26 # yeah, I didn't ;) 19.21.05 # I figured everybody should know AGC 19.24.50 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.48 Part Dhraakellian ("Meddle not in the affairs of ircops, for they are (not so) subtle, and quick to anger.") 19.34.10 # bbl 19.35.55 Join kharo [0] (n=teemu@a91-153-69-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.36.56 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 19.40.05 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 19.40.27 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 19.40.29 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.40.31 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 19.40.54 Join snoh [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 19.41.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 19.43.04 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E32.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.43.44 Join kriss [0] (i=kriss@unaffiliated/kriss) 19.49.27 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 19.52.55 Join SxSBruce [0] (n=Administ@117.80.29.70) 19.55.40 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 19.55.45 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 19.56.13 Join perrikwp [0] (i=474cd1dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-263ff3dc4a80131c) 19.57.50 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.59.53 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.06.35 Join bertrik_ [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 20.11.59 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 20.17.11 Quit olle-wp (Remote closed the connection) 20.17.46 Part Plouj ("oy") 20.18.03 Join olle-wp [0] (n=olle@81-232-34-150-no35.tbcn.telia.com) 20.18.19 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.19.28 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.19.42 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 20.19.51 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.20.46 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-6-67.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 20.29.13 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.31.11 Part SxSBruce 20.32.24 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.14 Quit olle-wp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.42.46 Quit fyre^OS ("the errors you make are not likely to be the same errors that someone else makes") 20.43.56 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-b1800275c643a493) 20.45.12 # * petur returns 20.45.19 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 20.45.38 # * gevaerts screams and runs away 20.46.38 # * petur is faster 20.47.17 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.47.28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7E32.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.48.39 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.53.47 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 20.53.54 # Slasheri: ping 20.59.33 Quit m0f0x ("xorg restart") 20.59.38 Quit neddy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.00.42 Join m0f0x [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-7-189.dsl.telesp.net.br) 21.01.04 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-160-5.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.04.31 Quit culture (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.05.40 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.11.16 Quit einhirn (Connection reset by peer) 21.12.55 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 21.13.29 # anyone against renaming the "Getting started" chapter of the manual to "Introduction"? 21.14.25 # not me 21.14.44 # * gevaerts votes in favour 21.15.09 # * bluebrother wants the installation chapter to be rewritten ... but hasn't gotten around doing it himself 21.15.34 # While you're at it, it says rockbox is "released under the GNU public license", without any mention of "general" 21.15.38 # btw, did anyone try the rbutil binary I posted yesterday? I'd be intested in success stories ;-) 21.15.51 # *interested 21.15.56 # * bluebrother can't type today 21.16.02 # gevaerts: And without mention of "v2 or later" 21.16.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.16.33 # rasher: indeed, but I think that in the context of a welcome text, that's not too critical 21.16.59 # I'm not sure licensing belongs in a welcome text at all, to be honest 21.17.52 # * gevaerts decides to stop reading. He keeps finding minor things he would like to see rephrased slightly 21.18.22 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.18.53 # It basically uses the license name to point out that this is Free Software. I think that's all right 21.19.01 # gevaerts: if you start working on the manual you will soon learn to ignore such things :) 21.19.12 # n1s: never! 21.19.29 # ok, I'll add in a "general" in some place then :) 21.20.20 # Tell me when you're done. Some of those minor things are really wrong... 21.21.02 # * bluebrother wonders why using m3u files for saving bookmarks would be slow 21.21.03 # s/would/should/ 21.21.25 # because you can have very large playlists? 21.21.53 # They're moderately free-form ascii, so you need a parser instead of just dumping the file into ram 21.22.05 # sure, but you need to load the playlist anyway, don't you? 21.22.21 # at least if you want to preserve the playlist, that is 21.22.26 # gevaerts: ok, done! 21.22.32 # bluebrother: not when you save the resume point, no 21.22.33 # * gevaerts gets to work 21.23.15 # but in that case you can't place a bookmark in a playlist, only in a file 21.23.29 # yes you can 21.23.35 # that's already how it works 21.23.44 # even if that playlist is dynamic? 21.23.45 # but it doesn't mean you have to re-save the playlist 21.24.09 # a dynamic playlist in rockbox consists of two parts 21.24.17 # A) a fixed list B) modifications of that list 21.24.33 # so only B needs to be saved 21.24.39 # which can be nothing, or a lot 21.25.05 # hmm. And what happens if that fixed part (be it a folder) changes between bookmark creation and usage? 21.25.34 # IIRC that's when we get in trouble 21.25.43 # the resume point gets wrong 21.25.59 # like when you remove a file from the dir and then resumes 21.26.11 # if we have a complete playlist (saving the bookmark takes some time anyway, doesn't it?) there is no problem 21.26.22 # correct 21.26.30 # or maybe asked the other way round: what is a better way to fix this issue? 21.26.33 # but if you load a 20000 song playlist, it'll take a long time to save it 21.27.15 # I think perhaps we should deal with the in-ram case (dirplay) differently than when the playlist is loaded from a file 21.27.20 # true, but is it really that likely someone using bookmarks also uses playlists of that size? 21.27.34 # "``\playerman{} playback is currently 21.27.51 # "``\playerman{} playback is currently unsupported''"... Does this make any sense? 21.27.58 # bluebrother: sure, I could very well be such a user 21.28.07 # really? Oh. 21.28.35 # * bluebrother uses either bookmarks on folders or large playlists for parties etc. 21.29.55 # don't forget that we also need a solution if the dynamic playlist comes from the database. Which means we would need to save the playlist in some form too 21.30.00 # or is there a better way? 21.30.49 # what is the "automatic WPS screenshot utility" ? 21.30.58 # fs#9255 21.31.42 # no idea. But the wps editor isn't running on linux yet anyway 21.32.52 # * bluebrother is a bit annoyed by this windows-centric development 21.33.09 # Bagder: that's something I made that could serve the future theme site 21.33.42 # mcuelenaere: ah, so it "simply" invokes the simulator and saves screenshots from it ? 21.33.52 # yes, well not really invokes the simulator 21.34.01 # it uses the WPS editor's source partly 21.34.14 # so it's 'headless' and runs completely from a commandline 21.34.23 # ok, nice! 21.34.24 # which is good for servers 21.34.33 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.34.58 # actually currently it works pretty decently 21.35.03 # (thanks to krz) 21.35.28 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.39.24 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-48-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) 21.40.21 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 21.40.50 # anyone good with makefiles that could help me with some stuff for my GSoC project? 21.41.52 # pick me pick me! 21.42.00 # The first problem I'm working on is compiling multiple lang_*.c at once. Right now I manually have to add each one to the makefile 21.42.11 # http://www.pastebin.ca/1170195 21.42.26 # starting around line 226 21.42.53 # i'd like a way to compile all lang*.c files in $(BUILDDIR)/lang/ automatically 21.43.29 # You could do some globbing 21.43.31 # (that's the makefile from /apps btw) 21.44.44 Quit fdinel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.46.07 Quit stripwax (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.46.13 # midgey: you could do a simple for loop for all the files matching lang_*.c 21.47.25 # like "for file in lang_*.c; do $(CC) $file ... done" 21.47.38 # something like FILES=$(glob lang*) 21.48.11 # yes, if you rather do the glob in the make instead of the shell 21.49.01 # and then there's some foreach construct in make 21.49.30 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.49.33 # true 21.49.41 # or, if you can build all files using a default rule, use them as prerequisite for your target 21.50.45 # hmm, it seems you even can do a "print: *.c" 21.50.49 # err.... which way is preferred? 21.51.25 # I'd prefer using as much as possible in make itself, but this might be due to the fact that I was required to do some Makefile stuff on windows ... 21.51.43 # (and it's _really_ annoying if you don't have a _proper_ shell. cmd.exe isn't one) 21.52.05 # an, and it's $(wildcard *.c), not $(glob) 21.53.16 # midgey: pick the one you manage to get working! ;-) 21.53.49 # we depend on both shells and gnu make already so it doesn't really matter 21.54.42 # true. As I said, just my perference :) 21.55.07 Join perrikwp [0] (i=474cd1dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c7b962b6d143930) 21.55.30 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.01.41 # so I've added "LANGS = $(wildcard $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang*.c)" and now i'm a bit lost on the looping 22.02.18 # i added "for file in $(LANGS); do $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $$file; done;" on line 228 22.04.36 # and it doesn't work? 22.04.55 # I'm missing the -o option to that CC call 22.06.18 # nope, doesn't work 22.06.50 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.07.47 # hold on, i think I have another problem, i'll do a clean rebuild 22.08.10 # I think you may need a newline after do 22.08.11 # bluebrother: the -c makes that unnecessary 22.08.30 # I'd use something like http://www.pastebin.ca/1170244 22.08.37 # gevaerts: oh? Nice to know :) 22.09.08 # I'd thought it will create an a.out.o or similar 22.09.09 # bluebrother: that works only if we can use the existing default target setup 22.09.17 # s/we/he 22.09.47 # but I guess he can 22.09.52 # true, but can't he? 22.09.53 # -c means just compiling, no linking, with the output name being the original name with .o instead of .c 22.15.16 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.15.26 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.16.24 # Can someone with an HD based player test my battery bench patch a bit? 22.17.11 Nick m0f0x_ is now known as m0f0x (n=m0f0x@189-47-48-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) 22.17.38 # or better yet, a lot! :P It's at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9155 22.22.03 # so the makefile seems to work (i broke genlang...), but all the objects are placed in /apps instead of $(BUILDDIR)/lang 22.23.22 # then you need to adjust the -o part of the compiling rule 22.23.31 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.23.37 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.25.19 # -o $$file.o outputs to lang_.c.o, is there a way to strip the .c before adding the .o (regex?) 22.25.31 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/") 22.25.45 # midgey: `basename $$file .c`.o 22.26.12 # Or maybe you can do it in the makefile, to produce less amounts of doom 22.26.26 # bluebrother Are you sure you have the right Bootloader in RBUtil? 22.27.28 # robin0800: there is no bootloader in rbutil. The bootloader is always retrieved from the download server 22.27.28 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.27.50 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.28.08 # rasher: this seems to work in the makefile: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $$file -o $(BUILDDIR)/lang/`basename $$file .c`.o 22.28.43 # Well has that been updated to work with 1.0.07 firmware? 22.29.40 # now second makefile question, is it possible to link lang_.o to a plugin if that file exists and not panic if it doesn't? 22.30.14 # as far as I know only sansapatcher needed updating. Or has there been a change to the bootloader as well? 22.30.19 # e.g. for blackjack, lang_blackjack.o exists so it should be linked, but for bubbles lang_bubbles.o does not exist so it should be skipped 22.30.46 # right now I link lang_*.o to all plugins which is obviously no good 22.32.55 # bluebrother, When I made My Sansapatcher I made the Two Bootloaders First So Perhaps The Have Changed? 22.34.12 # robin0800: possible. Not really sure about this, but if an updated bootloader is needed a new release on the donwload server is needed 22.35.03 Join tarbo [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 22.35.31 # midgey: not 100% sure but it could work using if ($findstring string,$(LANGS)) OBJS += string endif 22.35.43 # (add linebreaks where necessary ;-) 22.36.23 # it's possible that this gets evaluated only once, so you maybe need the eval function 22.36.25 # bluebrother, The only change Ican think of was to change E200 to Read C200 22.36.52 # then it should work ... 22.36.57 # * bluebrother is puzzled 22.38.17 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.38.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.38.50 # wasn't there a change to make something work with the 1.01.07 version of the c200 OF (by bertrik, I think?) 22.39.58 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 22.40.48 # IIRC that was only a change to sansapatcher to make it recognize that OF version 22.41.03 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 22.42.42 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.43.25 # how would i know if i need a new hard drive for my ipod mini? 22.43.45 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-877a05f9e6ec1831) 22.44.20 # yes, only sansapatcher needed a change (a new mi4 key) to allow 1.01.07. Rbutil uses the core functions of sansapatcher so it works for rbutil too. 22.44.48 # revision 18265 diff looks wrong - shouldn't the line below also be changed? 22.45.03 # fresc_key_v1 22.45.45 Quit tarbo_ (Connection timed out) 22.45.45 # The cycle of apple logo and folder icon just reapeats. Could this mean there is a problem other than the hard drive since the display acts the same no matter if the hard drive is in or not? 22.47.19 Join tarbo_ [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 22.47.32 # robin0800, indeed there was also a fix for a bug in sansapatcher that made it write the wrong target id in a header during installation (it showed e200 on c200) 22.47.52 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.48.40 Join stu8ball_ [0] (n=stuart@host86-158-16-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com) 22.52.31 # anyone? 22.52.46 # amiconn: ping 22.53.03 # Reptile211: have you tried getting it into emergency disk mode? 22.53.16 Join poningru [0] (n=poningru@159.178.41.60) 22.54.04 # hey guys is there a link of places where I can purchase old rockbox hackable pmps? 22.54.07 # yeah tried it did not work 22.54.23 # poningru: ebay 22.54.32 # Reptile211: did not work in what way? 22.54.42 # or anywhere else that sells used daps basically 22.54.50 # emergency disk mode 22.55.01 # Bagder, hehe 22.55.28 # Reptile211: yes, that's what we were talking about. _how_ did it not work? Did it catch fire, reset, or explode, or what? 22.56.49 # Bagder, I wished there was an rss feed of an ebay search with all the players that were compatible 22.56.52 # sigh oh well 22.57.01 # mcuelenaere: have you read what stripwax wrote 6 min before you ping'd amiconn? 22.57.18 # poningru: so there's something for you to make! 22.57.41 # kugel: no missed that thx 22.57.44 # poningru: good luck with that, the way people describe theyr players on ebay... 22.57.46 # it just kept going the the cycle of do not disconnect and then showing the folder icon 22.58.08 # stripwax: will fix that 22.58.14 # mcuelenaere: No problem :) 22.58.44 # :) 22.58.46 Quit tarbo (Connection timed out) 22.59.25 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5B032335.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.00.09 # Reptile211: if you have a compactflash card lying around, maybe try that. It's probably the easiest way to test if it's te disk 23.00.16 # * gevaerts needs typing lessons 23.00.38 # yeah im planning to do that 23.00.43 # * bluebrother hands gevaerts an h 23.00.56 # but just want to make sure that it is nothing else 23.01.03 Quit stu8ball (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.11 # before i go out and buy a cf card 23.01.14 Quit poningru ("Leaving") 23.01.44 # I can't think of anything. Of course it could be any loose contact. Maybe you could try borrowing a cf card from someone first, to make sure 23.01.55 # rasher: regarding your comment for closing #9275 - the strings are the same in polski and english just because they're the same in both languages 23.02.18 # Reptile211: if you have a usb card reader around, you could try accessing the disk through that. 23.02.22 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@ics131-6.icsincorporated.com) 23.03.09 # yeah i do have a card reader 23.03.14 # im gonna try that 23.04.14 # desowin: Hm, right. There are problems in the Voice strings though. 23.04.58 # amiconn: ignore the ping, I fixed the issue 23.05.16 # is rockbox voice build script compatible with any polish speaking system anyway? 23.06.22 # desowin: If you have a polish TTS, I don't see why not 23.06.25 # desowin, why wouldn't it be? 23.06.44 # try espeak -vpl 23.06.44 # well, only one I know about is ivona and it's not free and windows only 23.07.31 # anyone know what's going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/d626b5d32 23.07.42 # bluebrother, Not that it helps, just made a second sansapatcher using the download files this also works 23.08.08 # mcuelenaere: you need to make libproxy.so found at run-time 23.08.12 Join Lambdumb [0] (n=Lambda@ics131-35.icsincorporated.com) 23.08.22 # Bagder: well it's in the same directory 23.08.23 # desowin: you can build voice files using SAPI 23.08.33 # mcuelenaere: same dir doesn't work on *nix 23.08.44 # ahh ok, so what do I need to do? 23.08.45 # export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:. 23.08.49 # k 23.08.59 # or edit /etc/ld.so.conf 23.09.11 # or copy the .so to a dir that is already in the ld.so.conf file 23.09.36 # I need some advice regarding charging on c200 and e200, The problem is that both targets cannot really reliably indicate battery voltage when the charger is enabled and powermanagement relies on that. 23.09.41 # * bluebrother updates the wps editor and ignores heaps of warnings 23.10.24 # One thing I can do to measure battery voltage (and thereby charge progress) is to stop the charger for a moment to read the battery voltage, then resume charging again. 23.10.44 # desowin: still, I think it's good if a language would be prepared for building the .voice for it even if there was no TTS engine around currently. You can always build an english voice from english.lang and rename it to yourlang.voice 23.10.57 # nice, now the library doesn't build for me at all :( 23.11.28 # bertrik: that sounds like a fair approach, as long as you don't to it too often 23.11.30 # Another way is to read a voltage whose voltage depends on the charge current. The charge current drops during charge and can also be used as a progress indicator I think 23.11.31 # yeey /me got the WPS editor working on Linux 23.11.47 # what did you change? Current svn doesn't even build anymore 23.12.08 # bertrik: don't you risk reducing the battery lifetime by doing that sort of stop-start charging? 23.12.26 # gevaerts, I don't know, but I don't see why it would 23.12.59 # I don't know either, but there is this thing about a limit on the number of charge cycles that you keep hearing about 23.13.13 # * bluebrother needs more time for Rockbox hacking 23.13.26 # I don't know if that's true, or what constitutes a charge cycle anyway 23.14.14 # gevaerts: I'd guess that's for full->empty charge cycles 23.14.48 # bluebrother: I'll post a FS# later 23.14.59 # it builds fine under windows btw 23.15.08 Join tessarakt [0] (i=nobody@vpn-cl-166-224.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 23.15.43 # As far as I know both low and high voltages are bad for a Li battery and during charging you put a relatively high voltage on the battery 23.16.07 # besides, a Li battery loses capacity even if its not used as far as I've read 23.16.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.16.17 # bertrik, I would think to use voltage or current dependig which on is still useable as batteries age 23.16.59 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.17.46 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=Davide-N@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com) 23.18.27 Join jarredsinger [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-0-28-243.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 23.18.27 Quit jarredsinger (Client Quit) 23.19.27 # bluebrother: FS#9277 23.20.12 # I'm not sure about the QPropertyEditor dependency thingy though 23.20.20 # perhaps this should be implemented differently 23.20.47 # The iriver H120 bootloader does not support USB disk mode with CompactFlash cards. Can this be considered a bug? If so I'll post a bug report on the tracker. Otherwise what can be done? 23.20.54 # Bagder: is there something wrong with the build server of obo? 23.21.34 # I could make function battery_adc_voltage aware of whether it's charging or not and make it return a cached value (measured, say once a minute) when charging and a fresh measurements when not charging 23.21.42 # * Bagder checks 23.21.44 # petur: Nice work on the WRS! Cheers! 23.22.07 # .me addmittedly I haven't had time to really test it yet. 23.22.40 # Davide-NYC: when I get my CF card and adapter, Iĺl see if whe can have a new bootloader beta for h1x0 23.22.52 # * bertrik checks out the WRS on his c200 23.22.59 # is obo perhaps the first one using 4.3.1 to build sims? 23.23.05 # gcc that is 23.23.16 # Bagder: looks like it 23.23.33 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.23.45 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.24.54 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 23.24.56 # it looks like legitmate warnings even 23.25.20 # or is ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF not defined for sim builds? 23.26.21 # it is 23.26.54 # mcuelenaere: there are filename casing issues *again*? 23.27.05 # jep.. 23.27.07 # * bertrik wonders why there are two peak meters 23.27.13 # Hmm, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher says the latest ipodpatcher is v1.0 with v1.1 bootloaders, but downloading the windows version it tells me v2.0 with v2.0 bootloaders. Do ipod bootloaders even have "a version" ? 23.27.13 # * bluebrother bangs head to wall 23.27.47 # And if I build my own bootloader, which "version" is it? 23.28.44 # these heaps of warnings are also ... kinda cool 23.28.54 # bluebrother: could you take a look on the QPropertyEditor change in gui.pro I made; are there better ways to do this or.. ? 23.29.08 # seems rather hacky to me 23.30.35 # the whole editor seems rather hacky to me :( 23.30.58 # it just needs a cleanup I guess.. 23.31.06 # cool, "Quit" from the menu doesn't work ... 23.31.07 # especially proxy/*; that's really a mess 23.31.23 # that naming is also quite bad. 23.31.38 # * mcuelenaere thinks krz needs SVN access so everybody can work on it 23.31.55 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)") 23.32.37 # * bluebrother disagrees as long as the code has such obvious issues like filename casing 23.32.38 # * Bagder agrees 23.33.05 # well, his work would be in a separate dir anyway, won't it? 23.33.07 # a repo for others to work on would be useful, though 23.33.23 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.24 # Bagder: right, mine is currently in utils/wps_editor 23.33.43 # exactly, so it wouldn't really hurt anyone even if mistakes are committed at times 23.33.43 # besides, has he been around on irc recently? I haven't seen him around much 23.33.54 # yes, but not all day 23.34.06 # what's his usual online time? 23.34.06 # is gsoc fulltime or ... ? 23.34.13 # stripwax: nah :P 23.34.17 # he's usually reachable at email 23.34.27 # I emailed him after he went off on IRC and he responded 23.34.30 # it is supposed to be full time or at least almost full time 23.34.52 # right.. 23.34.58 # well, dev talk happens here, does it? So why do we need to contact him via mail? 23.35.24 # he also cuts himself from loads of potentially helpful guys ... 23.35.26 # I just contacted him to get feedback, I even recall myself saying him he should go on IRC 23.35.38 # but that was some time ago 23.36.19 # mcuelenaere: about the project file question, IMO those two side projects should go in folders that are parallel and the top level folder should use the subdirs template 23.36.34 # hmm a bit like rbutil currently does? 23.36.58 # yes, but there is only one subdir in that case ;-) 23.37.09 # yeah ok 23.37.30 # I also really don't understand why this proxy thing has to have its own Makefile. It should use a pro file too 23.37.48 # that's because it's based on checkwps I guess 23.37.52 # so there are three "subprojects": gui, propertyeditor and proxy 23.37.58 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.38.19 # thought of that myself, but adjusting it should be doable. Especially if a student is working full time on it ... 23.38.50 # * bluebrother is a *bit* annoyed by his communication with the community 23.38.53 Quit snoh (Remote closed the connection) 23.39.17 # * bluebrother feels like getting a grumpy old man. Greets to all grumpy old men! :) 23.39.22 # * Bagder did a "guidance commit" 23.39.45 # guidance commit? 23.39.59 # there are ~130 warnings/flaws to fix 23.40.23 # I fixed 3 of them ;-) 23.40.45 # see the build table! 23.41.09 # I'm still wondering how the switching between targets for the editor should work ... 23.41.35 Quit m0f0x () 23.41.43 # bluebrother: I think the WPS screenshot principle should be used 23.41.45 # ah, now I see. 23.41.48 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.42.08 # Bagder: but you got more points! ;) 23.42.36 # that's not my commit showing 23.42.54 # mine seems to have been unnoticed 23.44.08 # why is "ifeq ($(findstring $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o,$(LANGS)),$(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o)" always false? 23.44.12 # Bagder: the error logs show broken characters for me -- my browser seems to default to latin1 but the page is utf-8 23.44.35 # yes, we should make those builds use "LANG=C make" or similar... 23.44.43 # midgey: this $* looks strange ... 23.45.05 # bluebrother: krz was here from around 10h till 17h 23.45.08 # or make all pages use utf-8. I think consequently going utf-8 would be a good idea anyway 23.45.16 # (log time) 23.45.28 # mcuelenaere: ok, that's completely overlapping with my working hours :/ 23.45.40 Join safetydan [0] (n=evertond@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.45.59 # bluebrother: according to http://www.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/make_help.html $* is a special macro 23.46.14 # echo $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o seems to work fine 23.46.41 # argh, do we really need the %s in printf everywhere ? 23.47.30 # bertrik: well, those are all bugs waiting to happen right now 23.47.37 # midgey: interesting. Wasn't aware of that 23.47.54 # Bagder, it's only really a problem if the string contains a %, right? 23.48.16 # yes, but many of those strings are dynamic so they can get a % letter pretty easily 23.48.35 # like from a translation 23.48.39 # Or tags 23.49.01 # should the %s expansion expand % at all? 23.49.10 # and won't this lead to an enormous binsize increase? 23.49.21 # bluebrother: no, %s strings don't expand anything 23.49.43 # then I'm failing to see the problem 23.49.52 # bluebrother: these cases don't have %s at all 23.50.12 # just printf(string) 23.50.18 # midgey: I'd try to use findstring without those paths. 23.50.35 # ah, now I get it 23.50.46 # I do prefer correctness over binsize though 23.51.00 # me too 23.51.24 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.51.29 # I should think gcc will optimise printf("%s", foo) to be exactly the same, or at least close to printf(foo) 23.51.56 Join teddy__ [0] (i=4b51198d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dd7f897271ad2143) 23.51.59 # it would be interesting to test that 23.52.08 # isn't there a puts() function for that? 23.52.11 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.52.23 # printf-style functions surely 23.52.39 # Hi. Im getting a sandisk sansa e200 soon, and wondered this. If i install rockbox is it going to use my batteryt oo fast, and ultimately cause me to need a replacement? 23.52.45 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 23.52.58 # teddy__: no 23.53.13 # oh sry... is this a developer channel? 23.53.16 # should have read lol 23.53.35 # I've seen gcc substitute printf by puts indeed, but I don't know if this happens in rockbox too, 23.53.36 # please check the FAQ ... 23.53.49 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@203.118.14.76) 23.54.02 # does Rockbox have a puts()? Shouldn't that get used rather than printf(string)? 23.54.12 # but the problem is not with printf 23.54.16 # just printf style functions 23.54.24 # like gui_syncsplash 23.54.32 # ouch ... 23.54.35 # bluebrother: But the use is often through eg. gui_syncsplash, which sometimes *does* take actual format strings 23.54.49 Quit teddy__ (Client Quit) 23.55.02 # ok, seems I still haven't got the real issue before. 23.55.03 # that function is marked print style by the use of a __attribute__() thing 23.55.05 # * bluebrother feeels stupid 23.55.07 # printf 23.55.12 # mcuelenaere: I based hxf2ihfs on 1) reading hxfsplit, and 2) reverse engineering 23.55.13 # bluebrother: ifneq ($(strip findstring $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o,$(LANGS)),) seems to work 23.55.40 # * mcuelenaere wonders why he asked wpyh that question 23.55.51 # mcuelenaere: do you happen to know how to calculate the checksum fields in the HXF file? 23.55.56 # * wpyh wonders too 23.55.57 # yes I think so 23.56.02 # midgey: did you forget $( in front of findstring? 23.56.03 # or at least I did 23.56.22 # wpyh: tomac documented it 23.56.27 # just a sec 23.56.29 # hm... 23.56.52 # ah, is it on the ChinaChip wiki page? 23.57.01 # ok, so 6 bytes binsize increase in average per fix 23.57.16 # wpyh: yes it is :-) 23.57.22 # not very scientific, but still 23.57.27 # thanks :) 23.57.27 # I forgot I put it there :S 23.58.01 # * wpyh needs to read more before talking 23.58.25 # wpyh: btw, had any chance contacting your ex-ingenic employee friend? 23.58.37 # bluebrother: looks like i did, and that doesn't actually work 23.58.55 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.58 # i'm going to tackle this anew once I eat