--- Log for 07.09.108 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.17 # soap: its 3MHz per mA 00.00.34 # and base mA while idle at 30MHz is something like 30mA 00.02.04 # at 4v battery voltage 00.03.07 # Which seems to indicate your MP3 work should save 12Mhz / 4mA on my iPod video, taking runtime from 16 hours to 17.9. 00.03.16 # Dang that should be a nice improvement. 00.03.49 # saratoga: 3MHz per mA and 30mA @30MHz means 20mA @0MHz 00.04.39 # amiconn: theres definately some components which draw power regardless of clock 00.04.52 # probably things like the amps in the DAC, flash chips, DRAM, etc 00.04.55 # That sounds reasonable; I think roughly half of that goes to the ram, and the other half to the audio codec 00.05.21 # the audio codec is rated for 40mw of output IIRC 00.05.23 # At least that's what I measured on my 1st Gen ipod when experiementing with suspend 00.05.47 # I'm not talking about the output power, but about normal operating current (even without load) 00.05.48 # saratoga: why should I choose the e200v2? 00.05.53 # I already have a e200 00.05.58 Part cfp 00.06.01 # kugel: cheaper I think 00.06.17 # but the main reasons were: the scroll wheel, the better screen 00.06.25 # the screens different? 00.06.31 # but mainly the fact, that there's already enough e200v2 owners 00.06.40 # and no fuze owner 00.06.48 # someone needs to test the code on a fuze 00.06.51 # On 1st Gen, the WM8721 draws around 8mA, the RAM about 13mA unless in low-power self refresh mode 00.07.12 # soap: theres some cost to turning on the extra core, but it looks very small if I've done my measurements right: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/30mhz-2.png 00.07.32 Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 00.07.47 # amiconn: next time I get my DMM out, I'll try doing measurements at different volumes and with the codec chip disabled and see what I get 00.07.50 # In suspend (i.e. PP5002 at 32kHz and mostly sleeping, RAM in low-power self refresh mode, and LCD controler and DAC is standby mode) the whole box draws ~1.3mA 00.08.31 # saratoga: it's just, as a fuze owner I can contribute better to the port than as one more e200v2 owner 00.09.27 # That's the same as the OF needs in suspend, and sucks a fully charged stock G1/g2 battery empty after about 920 hours (a bit more than a month) 00.09.35 # soap: feel free to battery bench your ipod and let me know if theres any improvement :) 00.10.00 # saratoga: The patch should also work on PP5002 I suppose? 00.10.03 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.10.17 # amiconn: I don't know if dual core works on the PP5002 yet 00.10.17 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/") 00.10.22 # it does 00.10.25 # saratoga, I'll need to BB the OF as well. 00.10.44 # I left my player on my dashboard the other day in full sun and fear for the battery. 00.10.44 # then it should, although you might need to move somethings into uncached DRAM instead of IRAM 00.11.02 # i didn't check to see if I went past 48KB of IRAM when I allocated things 00.11.12 # Check the .map .... 00.11.22 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 00.12.17 # saratoga: the screen is definitely better then the e200v1 one, and I haven't read/heard that they also changed the screen on the e200v2 00.13.23 # amiconn: it goes 3KB over the limit, mostly due to the stack for the extra thread 00.14.01 # Hmm. The stack can probably be in dram, as it's only used by one core 00.14.03 # and due to the need to duplicate a 2KB buffer 00.14.15 # I'd like to know how much that'd impact performance 00.14.27 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Do quit now, there's a demon around the corner!") 00.14.33 # doesn't the COP thread's stack get used a lot? 00.14.47 # i thought thats were local variables were allocated 00.15.40 # It is, but then the PP502x's cache is quite good 00.15.50 # PP5002 is another matter, unfortunately 00.17.33 # i think the best thing to do would be to remove the synth code from IRAM, then shrink the size of the stack for the COP to whatever is actually needed and not the default, and then if it still doesn't fit put the duplicated buffer in DRAM 00.18.32 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 00.18.55 # Would also be necessary for PP5020 00.19.39 # how big is the main CPU stack? 00.19.52 Quit n1s () 00.21.24 # might be able to put some of the extra 3KB onto there too 00.21.36 # anyway, I need to get some homework done 00.23.58 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.36.33 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 00.40.02 Join webguest97 [0] (n=424aad01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1042358854a94876) 00.40.19 # i need some help 00.40.31 # i cant play vids on the 30gb ipod video 00.40.57 Quit webguest97 (Client Quit) 00.41.35 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.41.46 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 00.41.57 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.52.23 # I have a Problem with the rom recovering if i do it there comes an protocol error: control message (-71, Protocol error) 01.01.08 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.44 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.13.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.45 # * linuxstb tries a rockbox build on the logik dax and wonders why the LCD is now mirrored 01.15.28 # But it seems to be mostly working (thanks to vitja's work) 01.21.34 # linuxstb: I think your tool isn't wrong, but rather the firmware structure of the Fuze differs 01.24.36 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@12-203-112-233.client.mchsi.com) 01.29.04 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 01.35.07 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 01.35.32 Join VIPkiller [0] (n=VIP@c-66-176-146-31.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.35.54 # i have a sansa e260 01.36.06 # which doesnt recognize my 4gig sdhc 01.36.16 # so i guess im screwed? 01.37.15 # VIPkiller, yes.. you need to use a card reader that reads microsdhc cards to put stuff on it 01.37.46 # no, the sansa doesnt recognize it 01.37.54 # i was reading 01.37.59 # i have a version 1 01.38.00 # are you in rockbox 01.38.06 # i guess i need rockbox 01.38.06 # Which rockbox revison are you using/ 01.38.10 # no not yet 01.38.16 # i just started reading 01.38.27 # Well, the sansa firmware doesn't do sdhc... 01.38.28 # that is the first thing you need is rockbox 01.38.36 # ok 01.38.39 # im doing that now 01.39.59 Quit psyx1111 () 01.40.01 # ok got the file 01.40.08 # any link on how to install it? 01.40.32 # the manual has how to install rockbox 01.41.26 Join svpe [0] (n=svpe@p54907E7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.41.26 # the manual isnt in the rar file 01.41.46 # wait 01.41.46 # i got it 01.41.47 # noobin :P 01.42.19 Join tvelocity[a] [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 01.42.20 # rar file? 01.42.21 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 01.43.06 # yea the firmware 01.43.15 # ohh its zipped 01.43.21 # w/e i used winrar to open it 01.44.52 # is it ok to use automated? 01.44.55 # or just do manual? 01.45.48 # Use the automated install unless you have a good reason not to 01.46.02 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 01.46.03 # ok 01.49.58 Quit phinze_ ("leaving") 01.50.13 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@pool-96-250-252-230.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) 01.51.46 # Network error: Host www.rockbox-themes.org not found. Please check you network and proxy settings 01.53.20 Quit Lambduh ("Leaving") 01.54.12 # is that common? 01.55.13 # www.rockbox-themes.org is down right now. It just means that you can't install extra themes from rbutil, nothing serious 01.55.28 # awesome 01.55.29 # worked 01.55.30 # :) 01.55.42 # so to put music on card just dump music on the root of the sd 01.55.45 # thats it? 01.55.48 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.55.53 Quit tvelocity[a] ("Αποχώρησε") 01.56.58 # or anywhere else you want 01.58.05 # ok 01.58.07 # awesome 01.58.16 # is the themes site down temp? 01.58.36 # yes, that's what gevaerts said 02.01.01 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@12-203-112-233.client.mchsi.com) 02.01.22 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 02.02.40 Quit otzengulasch () 02.10.33 # thanks for the help :) 02.10.38 # ill idle in here 02.11.44 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 02.14.17 # * linuxstb curses the telechips NAND driver for no longer recognising his disk after he wrote .rockbox to it... 02.17.49 Quit Lambduh ("Leaving") 02.19.02 Join domonoky1 [0] 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I would expect the apps code to always know what viewport is being used (because widgets are told to draw in a specific viewport), so there's no need for a "get_viewport" function. 14.38.52 # well, this solution was the least work in the places where char_height & others were used ;) 14.39.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@dslb-088-072-254-165.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.43.04 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@y066163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 14.43.35 Part stooo 14.43.47 # petur: You can't use lcd_getfont() instead of lcd_get_viewport()->font ? 14.44.15 # * petur will check after minding the baby.... 14.44.18 # lcd_getfont() is just "return current_vp->font;" 14.47.44 Quit Zarggg () 14.56.43 # n1s: Why no sansa bootloaders in FS#9369 ? 14.56.47 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3eeb1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-39d3947cf2885172) 14.57.56 # petur: a little bit offtopic but still: could you please type the task number as FS#nnnn, not just nnnn. Then the irclog viewer will automatically make it a link. 14.58.08 # gevaerts: my primary intention was to test on ata targets that could be cf modded to have the official bootloaders support the cf mod but it got sort of out of hand and I added more and more :) and bluebrother tested e200 so i guess only c200 is left 14.58.41 # * n1s would like some gigabeat f dev to look at the bootloader issues for that reported in the task 14.59.02 # n1s: ok. I'll test c200, and I'll try to reproduce the gigabeat issue 14.59.30 # great :) 14.59.48 # I can also test a CF modded mini 2G (but that's exactly the same HW that bluebrother tested) and a 30GB video (5G) 15.00.23 # * gevaerts checks his list 15.01.04 # Also the Archos Player and the X5(L). I'd prefer not to touch the H100 and H300 though 15.01.08 # if your mini works with an older svn bootloader i'd guess it works ok with the one from the branch too 15.01.49 # it should. It runs r18358 now 15.01.50 # I only have a h300 of the targets that will be in the release so i can't test anything myself either :( 15.03.43 # You could test that one :) 15.03.55 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-209-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.04.06 # haha, yes of course :) 15.04.34 # You're in Sweden, so shipping costs in case of issues shouldn't be too high :) 15.05.36 # true but i suspect it would take less time for LinusN to test himself, iirc he already has one h300 with the bdm interface soldered to it 15.08.42 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 15.12.41 Join Xerion_ [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 15.12.44 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.14.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.10 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 15.14.28 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.17.19 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.17.21 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 15.22.04 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.46 Part J-23 15.24.05 Nick mcuelenaere_ is now known as mcuelenaere (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 15.24.41 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.24.55 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.215.21) 15.29.13 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.29.43 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 15.30.48 Quit bmbl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.31.17 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 15.32.44 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE203BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.32.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.35.57 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.36.56 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 15.38.21 # What't the difference between the .ucl files and the .mod files for the Player? 15.39.51 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.11 # one is for running from disk (RoLo etc.), should be the .mod - the other is for flashing 15.41.51 # hope I got the tech talk right :) 15.43.42 # thanks 15.46.38 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@12-203-112-233.client.mchsi.com) 15.48.34 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCD33B.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.48.50 # gevaerts: you could have RTFM too though ;) 15.49.29 # I did a quick STFM, but I didn't immediatly find it 15.49.48 # it's in the file formats table 15.53.26 # * amiconn wonders whether the "tenth dB" that rockbox uses internally for various gains and levels should be called "cB" 15.57.04 # pixelma: do you http://pastebin.ca/1196364 15.57.06 # gra 15.57.23 # do you remember the fs number of the playlist move bug you mentioned earlier this week? 15.57.32 # (stupid touchpad) 15.58.47 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 16.01.34 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@p5B03078D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.02.35 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-096-211-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.08.50 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.10.10 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.11.56 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.12.23 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-235-108.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.14.10 # linuxstb: new patch attached to FS#9361 (fml: happy?) - I'm going to test some targets and commit 16.17.08 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.23.49 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47851.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.31.31 # petur: I see you decided against getting the current vp? 16.32.13 # kugel: yes, the suggestion from linuxstb doesn't need the new get_viewport function 16.32.56 # sad :( getting the current vp would've been useful for my custom list patch too 16.35.17 # bah, pitchscreen gives me an IllInstr :( 16.36.42 # petur: you might consider my pitchscreen vp patch :) 16.37.06 # meh... quickscreen too... 16.38.44 # * petur idiot :( 16.39.02 # forgot the remote functions... 16.43.52 # petur: Getting the current vp is useful for very simple lists (not simple_list), like set_int, so that we doesn't need to pass a vp 16.45.28 # I'm somewhat convinced that we can do without it... anyway, gtg, RL claims 100% for some time now... last patch should be fine... 16.45.34 Quit petur ("later!") 16.49.19 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.54.35 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.59.28 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008072820]") 17.03.19 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 17.03.41 Join oofus_ [0] (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 17.03.42 Quit oofus (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.03.49 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 17.03.55 Nick oofus_ is now known as oofus (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 17.05.06 # damn linux 17.05.39 # the sim doesn't find the album art since linux is case sensitive 17.08.35 # You can use a FAT filesystem if you want that... 17.09.23 # which doesn't support the permission system. I have done that in the past and only had problems 17.09.36 # Why do you need permissions for your media files? 17.10.03 # Or just name them correctly... 17.14.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.24.01 # Can linux filesystem case sensitivity be switched? 17.26.17 # I've never heard of such a feature. 17.27.05 # I know that NTFS can be made case sensitive. Not recommended for your windows system partition though... 17.27.36 Quit stu8ball (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.57 Quit gevaerts ("yet another reboot") 17.35.05 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 17.38.10 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@75.23.148.1) 17.44.56 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.46.10 Quit svpe ("leaving") 17.52.18 # Hmm. The WM8975 (WM8750) has hardware ALC... 17.54.13 # ...and the gain steps are somewhat nasty for our recording screen: 0.75dB steps... 18.02.12 # The thing can do *a lot* more than the WM8731 (used in the H10)... 18.08.25 Join kkurbju1 [0] (n=kkurbjun@63-227-58-162.hlrn.qwest.net) 18.10.55 Join crope [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-188-89.psoas.suomi.net) 18.12.17 # is the 8975G in the Nano pretty much the same? 18.13.40 # This is what the driver file says (use WM8750 datasheet for the 8975, used in the G4, Color/ Photo and Nano) 18.14.05 # If this is really true, we have *waay* larger gain and volume levels available than we're currently using 18.14.16 # s/levels/ranges/ 18.14.47 Join kkurbju2 [0] (n=kkurbjun@63-227-58-162.hlrn.qwest.net) 18.15.16 # Both the ADC and the DAC offer digital volume in additon to the analog gain settings we're currently using. 18.15.47 # This should make people happy who complain about the lowest volume setting being too loud already 18.16.44 # many other sites are saying the 8971 = the 8975 18.23.00 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 18.23.13 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.23.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.27.32 Quit kkurbju1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.33.32 # soap: Sounds plausible, although the 8971 and 8750 are very similar (but very different from the 8974) 18.34.04 # The 8971 is missing some exotic features of that the 8750 has (eg. the "3D stereo enhancement mode") 18.34.14 # s/of// 18.34.45 # The 8973, which is also very similar, does have that mode 18.42.55 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 18.43.20 Join mazling [0] (i=largeear@host86-147-122-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) 18.43.35 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.45.59 # oh my,,, 18.46.12 # These audio driver are a mess... 18.46.16 # *drivers 18.51.46 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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But that's more down to codec design than anything. 21.00.38 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 21.00.47 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 21.06.32 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 21.07.02 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.09.33 # yeah I was just surprised he was saying mp3 used more and was even stuttering 21.09.56 # he's a noob though, wants to transcode to ogg to solve this issue 21.10.13 # I never had problems with mp3 when I could use rockbox 21.10.15 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.10.23 # the stuttering during playback has been fixed months ago. 21.10.58 # and for mp3 being slower than vorbis is simply because it isn't as heavily optimized as vorbis (yet) 21.12.37 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 21.12.37 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.12.39 Quit nuonguy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.12.46 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 21.14.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.14.41 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.15.14 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.15.43 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 21.15.54 # nice 21.16.11 # I'll go to the other channel 21.21.11 Quit oofus (Remote closed the connection) 21.22.12 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 21.22.48 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181069149.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.23.31 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 21.24.06 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 21.25.06 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.44.35 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.44.36 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.44.50 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.44.51 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.45.04 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@80-44-101-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 21.45.18 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 21.47.47 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.49.56 # linuxstb: Your comment about the TCC NAND driver being able to read a newly-formatted partition does tally with what I've seen. If all sectors are written to the device contiguously, our driver will read those back without errors. If you write a whole partition with dd it might work too :-) 21.49.59 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.51.09 Join Uber [0] (n=ubermens@host141-118-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.51.26 # Hi boys 21.53.30 # can i to use my samsung YP-Z5F whith rockbox???? Help me please 21.53.46 # nope, you can't 21.54.29 # shotofadds: Using "mkfs.vfat" doesn't seem to help, but a reformat in the OF does. 21.55.15 # are there any firmware linux for samsung YP-Z5F ??? 21.55.42 # Uber: not that I know. And you don't need the ??????. One is enough. 21.55.55 # Uber: and rockbox isn't linux related at all 21.57.16 # ok thanks i will use the ufficial firmaware.....:'( 21.58.16 Part Uber 22.00.19 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.03.05 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) 22.03.48 # linuxstb: I haven't had much time to work on Rockbox recently, but my D2 and M200 will be getting a good debugging session this week. Hopefully with some results this time ;) 22.05.26 # Im a little interested in D2 22.05.37 # blah sorry, trying not to chat in here, I know people dont like it 22.07.35 # linuxstb: I think those TCC7xx_USB defines should have been made SoC-independent before committing (iirc they're the same as the Meizu), but that can be done later ;-) 22.07.48 # yeahx: there's always #rockbox-community for off-topic chat 22.08.03 # shotofadds: Good luck! With vitja's work on the iaudio 7, the m200 and logik dax now run Rockbox as well... 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.09.36 # * shotofadds thinks trying to get sound out of his M200 with the current NAND driver is a rather pointless task :/ 22.09.51 # yeah I saw that and joined, but he mentioned d2 here 22.10.25 Part yeahx 22.15.48 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.38 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 22.17.38 Quit crope ("Leaving") 22.22.44 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 22.25.33 Join andrew___ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0124w-142163157226.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 22.30.57 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.34.44 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB32E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.41.32 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.51 Join scotty_007 [0] (n=577b7e6d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2fa0384d25009090) 22.47.00 Quit petur ("*plop*") 22.50.20 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 22.53.38 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.56.15 Quit scotty_007 ("CGI:IRC") 22.56.24 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 22.56.46 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC2A.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.59.45 # petur: (for the logs) You forgot something... 'struct screen screens' is exported to the plugin api, and you change breaks backwards compatibility of that api 23.01.21 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 23.02.12 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 23.04.00 Mode "#rockbox +o logbot " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 23.07.10 Join fml [0] (n=4fd3eeb1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7cbf314a922843b2) 23.07.55 # petur: yes, I'm quite happy! With your patch and with the FS syntax. Thank you very much! 23.08.02 Quit fml (Client Quit) 23.09.22 Quit n1s () 23.14.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.55 # So, have anyone thought of a lcd driver for 18bit? 23.17.58 Join jeffdameth1 [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-233-246.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.18.28 # kugel: ? 23.18.38 # we haven't had any 18bit target so far afaik 23.18.49 # Isn't the X5 18bit? 23.18.59 # no, not real 18bit 23.19.13 # it's 16 too 23.20.44 # but possibly in the future, like iaudio7 23.20.47 Quit avis (Remote closed the connection) 23.21.08 # I don't see why a target with 18bit shouldn't use 18bit 23.21.19 # well, it's probably up to the one who ports rockbox to a 18bit device first 23.21.20 # unless there a significant drawback in speed or similar 23.21.45 # Bagder: What do you mean by "not real 18-bit"? The LCD driver (lcd-as-x5.S) refers to RGB666... 23.21.52 Join Mad [0] (n=4c436ddb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3b706993fbe07f35) 23.22.10 # (in the yuv blit helper function) 23.22.48 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 23.22.52 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.22.56 # I don't recall the details right now so I guess i should just shut up, but as I remember it there's some limitation in the controller 23.23.04 Quit Mad (Client Quit) 23.23.24 # I seem to recall the idea of using an 18-bit framebuffer for the x5 was discussed, but rejected. But I may also be recalling wrongly... 23.24.21 # linuxstb: The HD66773 *interface supports 18 bit, and is configured as 18 bit in the X5 23.24.46 # However, the *internal memory* of the HD66773 is 16 bit only, so it dithers the 18 bit input data internally 23.25.16 # We use this for video (as this internal dithering comes for free), but not for core gfx 23.26.18 # Imo going 18 bit is quite a waste, so there must be a significant advantage to make it worthwile. Framebuffer data will double in size, as you'll need 32 bit for performance 23.26.29 # Do you know about the HD66789R ? I think that's what we think the iaudio 7 is using. 23.26.58 # I'm guessing that's 16-bit too? 23.27.02 # The HD66789 is true 18 bit. In the H300 and colour ipods it's configured for 16 bit operation though 23.28.16 # I don't know about the hookup in the iaudio 7. The interface configuration is selected in hardware (by wirting of the selection pins), i.e. nothing we can change on the fly 23.28.26 # s/on the fly// 23.28.41 # s/wirting/wiring/ 23.28.52 # * amiconn goes to typo class :\ 23.29.10 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 23.29.55 # amiconn: so, h300 could use 18bit? 23.30.04 # nope 23.31.08 # I could have used 18 bit if the iriver engineers had decided to configure it that way. But they didn't 23.31.14 # *It 23.31.29 # Ah, I understand 23.31.33 # the gigabeat could use 18 maybe, if we set it to 24 bit mode it will use the upper 6 bits of every colour 23.32.22 # but it depends on what the remaining 3x2 pins are connected to I guess 23.32.56 # Going 18 bit doubles the size of all data in framebuffer format, and then 43.75% of that data is just wasted zeroes 23.33.34 # Using 24 bit for the fb is probably even worse performance wise, although it wouldn't waste that much 23.33.41 # space 23.34.04 # and how about use 24 then? at least no wasted zeroes 23.34.12 # I think the 656 mode looks good enough, but people could experiment if they want of course 23.34.12 # ? 23.34.16 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.34.50 # We can only use what the lcd controller offers, with the configuration selected by the dap manufacturer 23.35.05 # I don't know of any target with a true 24 bit lcd controller 23.35.41 # You talked about a 24bit mode 23.35.58 # I talked about using 24 bits/pixel in the framebuffer 23.36.24 # can't 18bit be used for the frame buffer? 23.36.54 # how would that work? 23.37.05 # With loads of bitshifting... 23.37.06 # I don't know, I just asked :) 23.40.20 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-173-165.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 23.40.25 # Regarding the i7, it comes down to the question whether the 2 extra bits are worth all the hassle and extra resources 23.40.55 # For video, lcd_yuv_blit() can make use of the full 18 bits independently of core graphics 23.43.30 # I'd like to have 18bit if possible. I've seen the difference between 16 and 18 on some pictures 23.44.16 # kugel: go for it then :) 23.44.29 # later :P 23.46.18 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 23.46.22 # aww, no gapless on the fuze 23.46.59 # I just hear from the guy behind iriver-t10.sourceforge.net that the T10 only has the 256K of SRAM and no SDRAM! Would it be possible to get rockbox running on it in any way? 23.47.31 # The Clip seems similar - about 384KB of RAM, but 256KB seems to be pushing it... 23.47.52 # I think with Nico_P's patch it should be possible 23.47.55 # Most of the Clip's firmware seems to be in the form of plugins 23.47.57 # linuxstb: maybe by running the code from flash directly? 23.48.17 # kugel: which patch is that? 23.48.18 # Well, the neo also has just 256KB ram, and openneo is a fork of early rockbox... 23.48.33 # But that has a hardware mpeg decoder... 23.48.50 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9332 23.49.03 # and it was an OOOOOLD rockbox 23.49.05 # linuxstb: That is a point, but not an excuse... 23.49.38 # and similar to nico_p's patch, it probably used next to no ram for buffering 23.49.44 # since it had its disk spinning non-stop 23.49.52 # * amiconn often reminds rockboxers that making efficient use of resources pays off 23.50.25 # ...even if at a certain point there's *apparently* not much use of doing so. 23.50.31 # Bagder (and possibly others): any thoughts on FS#9372? Is this approach ok or do we want rockboxdev.sh being "simpler"? 23.50.40 # The DAX and M200 are also relatively low on RAM - 2MB. 23.51.04 # Imho this is a key advantage of a dedicated embedded firmware like rockbox versus all those gadgets running linux 23.51.44 # bluebrother: I think that approach looks fine! 23.52.10 # great. Then I'm going to commit this before leaving (hoping everything goes well ;-) 23.52.12 # amiconn: I agree with that 23.52.12 # Ithink that a reduced-feature rockbox should be possible on such a low-ram, flash based target 23.52.36 # bluebrother: is the space between needed? In linux cli options can be used together without a space between commonly 23.53.18 # amiconn: I agree 23.53.18 # Given that plugins can be loaded very quickly, I would just see most features being split out to plugins. 23.53.44 # yes. Feel free to improve the for arch in $selarch ... 23.53.51 Join havien_ [0] (n=havien@68-189-143-101.dhcp.wlwl.wa.charter.com) 23.53.54 # 256KB might require kinda extreme measures 23.53.59 # Are those targets arm based? 23.54.08 # Bagder: was there a reason the build folder wasn't cleaned up before? 23.54.12 # amiconn: yes 23.54.42 # Then thumb code should be part of the squeezing process 23.54.54 # ah right 23.56.11 # It probably means rewriting some of our asm blobs in thumb 23.56.25 Quit gevaerts ("swapping disks") 23.57.02 # linuxstb: iFP has 1MB, and tomal managed to get rockbox basically running on it 23.57.24 Quit havien (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.57.31 # That's with ordinary buffering. Plugin and codec rame are reduced of course 23.58.56 # I know, but I'm not sure how many codecs work(ed) though, and lots of new ones have been added since then.