--- Log for 09.09.108 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.06 # oh, pixe lma beat me to the answer. 00.00.08 # ok tu 00.00.09 # ty 00.00.55 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.01.39 # Is there an SVN command for removing extra files? update/cleanup/revert didn't work. 00.02.21 Quit ender` (" "I want an Internet. Can I have one of those?" -- Spice Girl Mel B., aka Scary Spice during an AOL press conference, point") 00.02.26 # MarcGuay: you can make a script based on svn stat 00.03.18 # svn revert needs an option to do that :/ 00.03.34 # twiki lives again 00.03.47 # do you need an SVN command for that? If the revert didn't work I would think it wasn't SVN added in first place 00.04.21 # MarcGuay: This should work: svn stat | grep ^\? | (while read a b ; do rm "$b" ; done) 00.04.24 # Zagor: good news :) 00.05.59 # Zagor: Excellent. :) 00.06.28 # Zagor: Are all of today's changes reverted or just the history? 00.06.37 # heeh just wanted to say this too 00.08.07 # just history I think 00.08.25 # 10 most recent changes: 00.08.25 # date: 08 Sep 2008 - 00:23 00.08.34 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 00.08.58 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dse93.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 00.11.21 # MarcGuay: I would think all of today's changes are gone 00.11.52 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 00.12.04 # (yesterdays) 00.14.26 # I remember an email stating that we can't redistribute some of the icons we use. Does that still apply? 00.16.25 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 00.17.06 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-173608d0263aa271) 00.17.13 # saratoga: to late already 00.17.17 # too* 00.17.27 # i had an idea about noise shaping the sansa V1's flash read noise 00.17.35 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 00.17.38 Join webguest72 [0] (n=47afc5b0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-43c592e2ca750f99) 00.17.44 # who would be a good person to talk to about the sansa nand driver? 00.17.59 # helllo\ 00.18.03 # ? 00.18.05 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 00.18.08 # markun: I remember that as well, I think it was mentioned here shortly after DevCon 00.18.20 # Why isnt the games on my sansa e260 working 00.18.31 # i click it but it doesnt load 00.18.34 # pixelma: I tried to find it again with google but no luck 00.18.40 # help! 00.18.41 # kugel: too late for what? 00.18.43 # maybe we should sort it out before the release 00.18.53 # saratoga: not talking about my broken device 00.18.57 # webguest: I'd say you installed Rockbox improperly. 00.19.02 Quit Qgarten () 00.19.16 # Try reinstalling it. 00.19.17 # webguest72: maybe you updated rockbox and forgot to update the games 00.19.27 # I mean, I already did 00.19.35 # thats why it isnt loading? 00.19.37 # like doom 00.19.47 # depends now if they're smart enough to google 00.19.47 # kugel: I was thinking that for fuze and clip owners, it might be worth making a couple JTAG adapters and mailing them out 00.20.13 # to encorage them to experiment without fear of breaking things 00.20.21 Quit rasher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.21.17 # markun: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080630#00:37:38 , unfortunately that paste at rafb seems to be expired 00.22.27 # pixelma: have you seen this lazka before or since? 00.23.10 # the email said something like "you're using the tango icons which can't be shipped with rockbox, you can use the gnome icons instead" or something like that 00.23.16 Quit GodEater (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.16 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.16 Quit shotofadds (Remote closed the connection) 00.24.03 # I think he's a forum member too 00.24.46 # yep, last active 27th of May though 00.24.53 # pixelma: "Use of icons from the tango-icon-theme module must be attributed to the Tango Desktop Project." 00.25.05 # does that mean we should just include them in the credits? 00.25.29 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 00.25.47 # pixelma: from this site btw http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project 00.26.36 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.26.46 # wasn't that mail because we are using some derivative work already? ...trying to remember 00.27.15 # jhMikeS: ping 00.27.27 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf197d25cdf72f98) 00.27.38 # pixelma: why did they write this email to one of our users.. or did this guy make the icon set? 00.29.48 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 00.30.05 # since they don't specify any specific form of attribution, a mention in the credits feels apropriate 00.30.49 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.31.05 # * LambdaCalculus37 has made a little more progress: http://pastebin.com/m4020f831 00.31.06 Quit Strife89 ("Bye./") 00.31.22 # I _believe_ this lazka guy contacted the creator because of the "GPLv2 or later" move and pasted the answer and I think I remember it was along the lines that we weren't allowed to use it at all. But really, I'm not sure at all 00.32.13 # are we using the 12x12 version from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets#Packaged_Icon_Sets ? 00.32.27 Join Ginger [0] (i=Jesse@c-67-161-156-252.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.32.51 # LambdaCalculus37: looks good 00.33.44 # does anyone know how reads from SD cards work? 00.33.54 # i assume you have to read some minmum block size, but what is that size? 00.34.31 # saratoga: 19h runtime with your mp3 on cop patch (default settings, ~200kbit's album) 00.34.46 # pixelma: CC-BY-SA is incompatible with GPL but since these are separate media files and not mixed with GPL-licensed code it should not be a problem. 00.34.59 # though, tested with my build, with a build that only contains your patches, it'll probably be more 00.35.13 # gevaerts: Should I describe the menu? 00.35.34 # LambdaCalculus37: from what I can see most of the other plugin chapters don't 00.35.54 # Zagor: I see no mention of a license in the 12x12 part 00.36.01 # kugel: is that better or worse then without the COP patch? 00.36.10 # hi 00.36.12 # better 00.36.17 # also is this the event driven version? 00.36.20 # i can not mount my sansa e200 00.36.27 # some one plz help me out 00.36.35 # kugel: sounds good :) 00.36.36 # gevaerts: Okay, let me add a few finishing touches and then I'll make a commit. 00.36.42 # Zagor: except that one part is taken from the tango icons project (which gives a license) 00.36.44 # i fotmatted it but rockbox is still there 00.36.48 # saratoga: I also noticed that the cpu runs at 20% playing mp3, it's 50-60 without 00.37.10 # LinuxMafia: what happens? What OS are you using? 00.37.20 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.37.22 # gevaerts, gentoo 00.37.30 # LambdaCalculus37: could you also mention the alternate "fly" button and one sentence anout the menu (let's you chose level and quit) or something like this)? 00.37.38 # * gevaerts waits for the other part of the answer 00.37.39 # gevaerts, it will be mount on windows , but not my linux any more 00.37.53 # gevaerts, it is 2 days like that 00.38.03 # pixelma: Alternate "fly" button? 00.38.15 # In that case it seems to me that there is something wrong with your gentoo install 00.38.33 # kugel: this is the event driven patch or the old busywaiting one? 00.39.00 # gevaerts, but i did not touch my gentoo , i did not update any thing, and it use to work 2 days ago 00.39.14 # pixelma: Do you mean on the Ondio? 00.39.21 # LambdaCalculus37: on many targets you can use one of two buttons to move the chopper - e.g. on Ondio that would be "Mode" additionally to "Up" 00.39.30 # it's not only the Ondio 00.39.38 # LinuxMafia: in that case : what did you change on the player? 00.39.59 # LinuxMafia: is it set to MSC mode? 00.40.09 # gevaerts, nothing i just try to put a file and apperantly it was full 00.40.15 # yeah it is MSC 00.40.22 # pixelma: On the targets I have, there's only one fly button. 00.40.26 # if you didn't change anything on either side, it would work 00.40.28 # But I'll mention the Ondio. 00.40.41 # pixelma: In that case, we're not living up to the "BY" part of the license. It should probably be in the theme config at the least 00.40.45 # LambdaCalculus37: M5 it would be "Select" and "Up" 00.40.52 Quit chris2255 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.55 # Possibly in CREDITS 00.41.13 # gevaerts, this is why i am surprised 00.41.17 # gevaerts: Does that apply to the X5 as well? 00.41.28 # gevaerts, even in safe mode it wont work 00.41.35 # safe mode? 00.41.42 # LinuxMafia: does it get a drive letter in windows? 00.41.44 # yeah recovery more 00.41.47 # LambdaCalculus37: X5 and M5 use the same keymap 00.41.50 # yeah it does 00.41.54 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.41.55 # pixelma: Okay, I'll edit. 00.41.57 # gevaerts, i want to format it 00.42.03 # and install rockbox again 00.42.13 # pixelma: Added. 00.42.15 # what will that change? 00.42.41 # gevaerts, nothing i formatted it , but rockbox still is there 00.42.58 # Then you didn't format it 00.43.27 # LambdaCalculus37: nice, thanks :) 00.43.57 # gevaerts, i went to recovery mode and put file named sansa.fmt 00.44.08 # gevaerts, and it showed formatting 00.44.22 # but rockbox boot loader still there 00.44.45 # yes, the bootloader. That's not what you said earlier 00.45.31 # gevaerts, i need to update the actual firmware too 00.45.38 # i downloaded it 00.45.54 # but could not update it 00.46.25 # LinuxMafia: why didn't you just follow the uninstallation instructions in the manual? 00.47.10 # gevaerts, couse i could not mount the device 00.47.21 # gevaerts, i installed it in linux 00.47.46 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-SIXTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 00.48.28 # LinuxMafia: what happens if you plug it in while running linux? 00.48.52 # gevaerts, nothing 00.48.58 # it goes to rockbox 00.49.20 # dmesg shows nothing 00.49.21 # ok, now is rockbox there or not? 00.49.29 Nick maha is now known as letron (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 00.50.38 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.51.26 # no 00.51.27 Quit bertrik_ (No route to host) 00.51.40 # gevaerts, but i am tring to reinstall it in windows 00.52.06 # maybe you could explain exactly what is wrong, what is happening, and what you expect to happen because honestly I have no idea what you're even asking at this point 00.52.13 # How does it "go to rockbox" if rockbox isn't there? 00.52.32 # i mean if you can't explain whats wrong its kind of difficult to suggest a fix 00.53.16 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 00.54.03 # saratoga, before when i connect my sansa e200 , a pop up used to come saing sansa e200 .. , now nothing happens 00.54.15 # and dmesg does not show anything 00.54.23 # i try to update kernel 00.54.28 # And what happens on the e200 ? 00.54.42 # just tried to go to rockbox 00.55.00 # before it used to go to the official one 00.55.51 # And if you plug it in while running windows it works? Is that the same PC? 00.57.18 # gevaerts, yeah but another laptop 00.57.22 # i only use linux 00.57.35 # that one is my friends laptop 00.57.41 # LinuxMafia: So it tries to go to Rockbox but failed because it can't find it? 00.57.44 # Do other usb devices still work on the same usb port? 00.57.52 # *tried 00.58.23 Quit webguest72 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.59.08 # yeah 00.59.11 # it works 00.59.20 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 00.59.26 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 00.59.38 # i tried other usb ports too 01.00.20 # ok. Make sure the sansa is not plugged in, and start it while holding "left". That should start the original firmware 01.00.40 # gevaerts, i tried that too 01.00.56 # then connected it but still same thing 01.01.31 # !logbox 01.01.35 # !logbot 01.01.45 # Phooey.... 01.02.08 # LinuxMafia: May I ask what the problem is?.... 01.02.44 # Strife89, yeah sure , i can not mount my sansa e200 no more 01.02.57 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.03.00 # LinuxMafia: is this on a laptop? Did you try all ports, or just some of them? 01.03.02 # Strife89, when i connect it dmesg shows nothing 01.03.17 # Hmmm. 01.03.22 # LinuxMafia: Can you boot into the Sansa firmware by hold left while it boots? 01.03.27 # gevaerts, on my pc there is only gentoo and i tried all port 01.03.42 Part toffe82 01.03.47 Quit Ginger ("Leaving") 01.03.52 # The cable could be going bad..... 01.03.54 # LinuxMafia: gentoo does not matter. I don't think this is a software issue 01.04.03 # MarcGuay, yeah , nothing looks wrong i can still play videos 01.04.19 # Strife89, i can mount it on windows 01.04.38 # LinuxMafia: And if you plug it in while in the Sansa firmware? 01.04.58 # LinuxMafia, i think gevaerts is right 01.05.04 # saratoga: hey 01.05.05 # Are Windows and Linux on different machines? 01.05.38 # LinuxMafia: Are Windows and Linux on different machines? 01.06.02 # Strife89: yes 01.06.09 # MarcGuay, still nothing happens 01.06.28 # Strife89, windows on laptop , gentoo on pc 01.06.38 # LinuxMafia: from what I understand the e200 is not a very good USB device. Maybe yours just got a little bit worse, which caused incompatibility with your PC and not with the other one 01.06.47 # Do you have a USB hub somewhere? 01.06.49 # Small question... since Pacbox doesn't build on the c200, I want to exclude it from the manual. How can I do that? 01.06.55 # jhMikeS: you wrote the Sansa SD driver right? 01.07.01 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.07.04 # gevaerts, yeah this is what i use now 01.07.06 # LambdaCalculus37: see plugins/main.tex 01.07.23 # LinuxMafia: have you tried without it? 01.08.19 # gevaerts, yeah i tried the back of pc 01.08.57 # LinuxMafia: Have you tested other USB devices? (Trying to be thorough here) 01.09.27 # Strife89: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080909 works... 01.09.51 # if it works in Windows in the OF, its obviously not a rockbox issue and this probably isn't the right place to ask for help 01.10.21 # yeah 01.10.22 # i did 01.11.00 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 01.11.48 # 10x guys 01.11.53 # i try to update gentoo 01.11.53 # Wait, what USB mode is the OF in? 01.11.58 # see what happned 01.12.08 # stop using the return key when you actually want to use a comma 01.12.12 # Strife89, it is set to MSC 01.12.15 # won't help. It's a hardware issue 01.12.20 # saratoga: no, I had a hand in the addition of SD cards and some rewriting to make it more tolerant 01.12.35 Nick letron is now known as maha (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 01.12.39 # gevaerts, but why it works on windows 01.12.54 # LinuxMafia: it doesn't "work on windows". It works on another PC 01.13.02 # jhMikeS: maybe you can tell me what the minimum efficient read unit is [sector, block, whatever] 01.13.27 # If you install windows on your PC, it still won't work. If you install linux on the other PC (or use a live CD), it will still work 01.13.36 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 01.13.37 # saratoga: 1 sector is the minimum it ever transfers 01.13.44 # how big is 1 sector? 01.13.48 # 512 bytes 01.13.54 # and it reads how fast? 01.13.58 # gevaerts: All the same, why not try another Linux distro? We don't know for sure, 100%..... 01.14.25 # saratoga: I don't know the actual rate but it's faster than the PP hard drives 01.14.31 # Well, yes. The other option is that this gentoo install doesn't have USB drivers. 01.14.38 Join bobRoots [0] (n=buz@201.12.149.58) 01.14.41 # any rough idea how many sectors a second it can do? 01.14.42 # But then other USB devices wouldn't work 01.14.46 # I suppose test_disk would reveal that 01.14.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.52 # I say, when there's a problem, and you really want a solution, try every possible method, however far-fetched. 01.14.52 Part bobRoots ("[CyberScript]") 01.15.07 # can i set my player to read the entirefile into ram before playing the song ? 01.15.37 # jhMikeS: any chance its at least 10MB/s so that it can read 20k sectors a second? 01.15.38 # Doesn't Rockbox do that anyway?..... 01.16.03 # saratoga: no. 4 or 5 at most 01.16.14 # maha: why? 01.16.17 # saratoga: I just did a quick buffering test so that seems doubtful 01.16.19 # maha: No. What's the problem with the current way it works? 01.16.53 # saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DiskSpeed 01.17.07 # linuxstb and gevaerts,i have a sansa e280 which has alot of background hiss caused by low quality build 01.17.28 # everytime the thng buffers, ill get some noise :/ 01.18.03 # maha: That's an unfortunate problem with all Sansas, I believe...... 01.18.23 # jhMikeS: 10MB/s means we could modulate the read speed at 20khz, and noise shape most of the drive access noise out of the audiable band 01.18.24 # * jhMikeS got beat to the punch by linuxstb :) 01.18.59 # * gevaerts thinks that saratoga is slightly insane ;) 01.19.03 # maha: It seems the CPU lets some noise leak whenever it's processing. 01.19.10 # I think aligned reads just barely make the cut 01.19.10 # Correct me if I'm wrong. 01.19.11 # Nice idea though. 01.19.17 # that page says 9.7MB/s which is 19900 sectors a second 01.19.55 # saratoga: actually, from what I understand the SD interface uses 32 byte blocks. I could be wrong though 01.20.09 # Strife89 well, ok.. are there players which dont have leaks ? 01.20.15 # if we paused every other sector for the duration of the transfer time of one sector we would half the read speed, but shift much of the noise to ultrasonic frequencies 01.20.31 # * jhMikeS 's e260 isn't extremely noisy 01.20.41 # the noise depends on the headphones 01.20.48 # its rather loud on mine 01.20.51 # maha: Just about every other target doesn't have the noise problem as far as I'm aware. 01.20.57 # 16-ohm headphones = more noise? 01.21.06 # its the sensitivity mainly 01.21.09 # wtf :/ 01.21.20 # higher sensitivity means the noise power translates into higher acoustic power 01.21.26 # My Sansa c250 makes a little noise, but it does't bother me. 01.21.38 # that SUCKS. i only bought this sansa cause it could run rb /: 01.21.53 # maha: Have you messed with the EQ? 01.21.58 # saratoga: I've tested x5 remote ticking with 16-ohm vs. 32-ohm and 16-ohm makes it almost unsurpressable so that's why it came to mind 01.22.13 # Strife89 nope.. 01.22.33 # of course, 20k/sectors a second means we can modulate with at best a 10khz, meaning that some of the noise will remain in band 01.22.35 # i dont know how to get this noise into a wav so i could analyze it 01.22.39 # maha: Ah, never mind, then. 01.22.43 # saratoga: Yes, I do know some are ridiculously efficient. 01.23.03 # maha: Line out to a PC sound card..... 01.23.22 # unless we could reduce the transfer time per sector, perhaps by exploiting the fact that half the time would be idle 01.23.24 # Most noise for me comes from the backlight however 01.23.28 # Strife89 i dont have the required connectors :( 01.23.48 # maha: What do you mean? 01.23.58 # saratoga: there was a note in the driver about issuing a certain command before a transfer 01.24.22 # Strife89 its uh the input-output cable which i dont have 01.24.31 # jhMikeS: I flipped through the dirver, but since I don't understand SD or how the rockbox disk driver interface works it didn't make the least bit of sense to me 01.24.34 # maha: Just get a dual male 1/8" cable. Hook one end into your Sansa and the other into the Line In or Microphone jack on your PC. 01.24.41 # saratoga: one thing, is the noise problem unique to rockbox or are we trying to improve upon OF? 01.24.50 # jhMikeS: its in both 01.24.56 # maha: The cables can be found almost anywhere, dirt-cheap. 01.25.21 # Strife89 yeah, thats what dnt have.. and its too far for me to travelto a store 01.25.47 # saratoga: I wonder if killing-off busy waiting that keep the core active and using interrupts to fill the FIFO would be an answer. 01.26.01 # maha: You might find one online. 01.26.23 # jhMikeS: I don't get any noise unless a disk transfer is active, so I don't think the CPU matters much 01.26.53 # is suspect its a lack of filtering between the DAC power supply line and the NAND/SD interface 01.27.22 # Can someone tell me if this \nopt is correct? http://pastebin.com/m2c14274a 01.27.25 # since the noise is independent of amplifier volume, and thus likely riding in on the power line and not the DAC itself 01.27.36 # saratoga: ah, ok. how would you modulate anything with any regularity? 01.28.13 # idle every other transfer for the duration of one average transfer 01.28.23 # before sending the next read command 01.28.39 # LambdaCalculus37: I've never don't a nested \nopt like that. Does it throw an error when you build? 01.29.18 # LambdaCalculus37: And even if it worked I think you might need to move some braces around. 01.29.56 # saratoga: I guess udelay is your friend there. It hardly seems much work to try it out. 01.30.20 # * MarcGuay scratches that last bit... 01.30.30 # Any of ya'll know of the Mikmod patch? 01.30.31 # jhMikeS: could you suggest where the udelay needs to go and for how long? 01.31.08 # i suppse 1/19900 of a second would be a good first guess for the delay 01.31.38 # saratoga: in the FIFO block read loop? 01.31.43 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.32.09 # I guess 6uS 01.32.39 # 19900*8 blocks / sec 01.32.51 # jhMikeS: any reason the FIFO is 64 bytes and not 512 bytes? 01.33.02 # The Mikmod patch (FS#8806) works wonderfully well. :) 01.33.19 # saratoga: it should be 16 2-byte words 01.33.34 # oh i assumed a word was 4 bytes 01.33.49 # so the interface uses 32 byte transfers but the nand itself is 512 byte? 01.33.50 # its half-word sized reads/writes 01.34.12 # The NAND has configurable block size 01.34.13 # Argh, why don't manuals build on my system!? 01.35.01 # would copy_read_sectors_fast be a good place for the delay? 01.35.04 # It may have a minimum block size; that's somewhere in the spec somewhere 01.35.21 # saratoga: could be, or in the loop that calls it 01.36.11 # so in theory we could blink this on and off at a faster rate by using smaller transfers then 512 bytes? 01.36.52 # in copy_read_sectors_fast it will work in 32-byte chunks 01.37.32 # even better 01.38.34 # MarcGuay: I'm going to exclude adding the \nopt for Pacbox on the c200 manual for now and just commit what I have right now. 01.38.41 Quit Strife89 ("Bye, guys!") 01.38.49 # * LambdaCalculus37 will figure it out later and add it when he has a better understanding of it 01.39.43 # LambdaCalculus37: I don't think that would work - did you test compile? If at all I'd expect it to look something like this: \opt{h1xx,m5,lcd_color}{\nopt{c200}{\input{plugins/pacbox.tex}}} 01.40.24 # your \nopt looks definitely wrong. But as I said I'm not sure if nesting like this works in general, would need to try myself 01.41.39 # jhMikeS: what is copy_read_sectors_fast actually copying from? 01.41.47 # some sort of internal buffer or bus? 01.44.02 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 01.48.56 # saratoga: from the buffer to the FIFO 01.49.12 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.12 # err...reverse that 01.50.22 # what does the FIFO do exactly? 01.50.23 # The FIFO starts at &DATA_REG (0x70008280) 01.50.32 # so its a hardware device? 01.50.45 # Stores the last 16 words read in from the NAND 01.51.11 # it's a SoC hardware module, yes 01.51.29 # there's also an external chip + actual NAND device 01.51.29 # so reading from the FIFO is as close to controling the NAND output as I can get? 01.51.51 # pretty much 01.52.10 # perhaps it's possible to clock it at another speed 01.53.03 # playing with the timings and test_disk, it does seem that different transfer rates corrispond to significantly different pitches of noise 01.53.59 # i guess the trick will be picking the one that gives ultrasound 01.55.00 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.57.26 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.57.27 # I just wonder which part is the noisy bit-- the transfer or the commands? 01.58.16 # saratoga: the latest patch (v6), so the one with the events 01.58.23 # alright cool 01.58.30 # good to know theres an improvement in battery life 01.58.40 # any idea how much roughly 01.59.24 # jhMikeS: it could be my imagintion, but it seemed like playing with delays did change the tone of the various disk tests, but i'll need to wiat until i have enough free time to sit around doing measurements and ffts to be sure 01.59.32 # no, sorry. Although The last time I tested with my build (110~kbit/s OGG, NO default settings) I got 14h 01.59.36 # some of them were extremely high pitched too 01.59.42 # others quite low pitched 02.00.09 # saratoga: perhaps it is beats? 02.00.17 # yes i think it does 02.00.38 # the actual noise spectrum is likely quite low frequency, and the duration of the pulse simply reshapes it across the spectrum 02.02.20 # Rockbox Lawyers: Didn't senab keep this theme under a tighter license? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#Slant_for_Gigabeat 02.02.57 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-62-18.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.02.57 # Slant was under CC_by_NC last I heard, but people were going to talk to him about changing it. 02.04.19 # Something to do with his use of it for school work too. 02.05.58 # actually, I guess it could be a high frequency noise too, and modulation already built into the SD controller as it transfers things shifts it down to base band 02.06.14 # fixing this isn't going to be as simple as I'd imagined 02.07.04 # Llorean: I guess we assume that Mr. Kaufman he got permission? 02.07.08 # -he 02.07.08 # saratoga: I hear ya. When is it ever? ;) 02.07.42 # MarcGuay: Try asking him maybe? 02.10.06 # Llorean: Looks like DeanMurray gave him permission.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17445.0. Not sure what rights he has on it. 02.10.39 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 02.10.47 # * jhMikeS still has to figure out how to make the 'beast charging super tolerant and picky at the same time :\ 02.11.17 # Reading the forums, it seems that senab didn't explicitly say any license originally, and then decided on a restrictive license - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10606.0 02.11.45 # jhMikeS: also a dumb question, how do I adjust what the boost clock speed is on the Sansa? changing CPU_FREQ in config-e200 didn't seem to have the effect I expected when I tried it the other day 02.12.14 # MarcGuay: I don't think DeanMurray has the right to grant rights to slant. We should just graveyard it IMO. 02.12.20 # jhMikeS: Is there any risk in using the S charging patch as it is? 02.12.22 # saratoga: to change PLL settings?\ 02.12.24 # MarcGuay: That on its own really isn't good enough. Try contacting Senab through the forums? 02.12.50 # MarcGuay: there shouldn't be any risk involved. 02.12.52 # jhMikeS: Why does it need to be super tolerant? 02.12.55 # jhMikeS: i was timing the execution of loops and measuring power, and it didn't seem to change the timing or power consumption of a loop 02.12.57 # linuxstb: Does the date that he switched the license matter or is it backwards compatible? 02.13.22 # I don't think so, as he never explicitly mentioned a license before then (afaics) 02.13.48 # jhMikeS: I'll let you know if I find anything funky. Just rolled with it. 02.13.49 # Llorean: race conditions with plugging/unplugging are completely unavoidable so errors caused by that need to be detected and ignored 02.13.50 # MarcGuay: It matters, technically. Anything prior to the date he licensed it isn't under the old license, so if an image was removed prior to the change (for example) that image can't be reused. 02.14.12 # But generally, I think it's safe to assume he meant the licensing retroactive unless he removed some stuff at the same time (logos of his or something) 02.14.57 # saratoga: Changing the #define won't change the PLL setup. 02.14.57 Quit oofus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.16.16 # jhMikeS: ah figures, where is the correct thing to change? 02.17.06 # the stuff in system-pp5022.c, the register settings if you want to mess with the clocks 02.18.00 # -> /firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c more precisely. there could be clocking registers specific to the SD interface as welel 02.18.20 Join webguest65 [0] (n=47afc5b0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1e0bd8a46432bf24) 02.19.38 # help 02.19.48 # my sansa e260 isnt turning off :( 02.19.59 # screen is blank but the light is still on 02.20.16 # hold power for 15 secs or so 02.21.07 # i tried that 02.21.11 # it doesnt work 02.21.34 # nvm thanks :D 02.21.53 # i cnt get doom to run in my e260 02.23.00 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@76.240.237.224) 02.23.24 Join webguest28 [0] (n=47afc5b0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-719ed6662f6c7a8e) 02.23.24 Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.23.29 # pls help! 02.23.50 # what is wrong with doom? 02.24.09 # it not loading 02.24.27 # i click doom folder and click doom2.wad rockdoom.wad ntohing 02.24.37 # That's not how you run it. 02.24.40 # i also tried counterstrike in add ons 02.24.41 # Have you tried reading the manual? 02.24.59 # i downloaded it from this site hold on 02.25.19 # http://forums.pc-pad.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a 02.25.24 # it has no manual 02.25.50 # thats probably the most unreadible forum i've ever seen 02.25.50 # Well, our website has a manual for the official version of Rockbox 02.25.57 # If you want to use someone else's information, ask them for help 02.26.50 # oh yeah how do i update my rockbox? 02.27.02 # Also in the manual. Just install the newest version, as per the manual. 02.30.07 # i extracted the new rockbox into my sansa 02.35.22 # pixelma: Did you take a look a Lambda's dual-boot change? I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to condense the /opts. The only difference between the two sets of players is one button. 02.36.30 # no, I didn't. I'm currently fixing what he broke right now... ;) 02.36.44 # pixelma: Sounds familiar. :) 02.40.08 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.44.04 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 02.50.11 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@c-24-0-218-198.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 02.50.46 # MarcGuay: Thanks for the fix to the manual. I now owe you a beer. :) 02.51.11 # * pixelma wonders what she will get then 02.51.37 # * LambdaCalculus37 hands pixelma a pizza and a beer 02.51.40 # how do i record radio in rockbox? 02.51.54 # * LambdaCalculus37 also hands MarcGuay a pizza 02.51.58 # webguest28: what player? 02.52.08 # idk 02.52.12 Quit maha () 02.52.18 # how do i tell? 02.52.27 # webguest28: What MP3 player do you have... 02.52.32 # sansa e260 02.52.42 # webguest28: And please read the channel guidelines, abbreviations like "idk" aren't welcome here. 02.52.50 # k 02.53.08 # deer 02.53.33 # sorry typo... 02.53.41 # webguest28: then you record radio from the recording screen, setting the source to "FM radio" or the like. 02.53.53 # webguest28: I'm pretty sure the manual covers recording as well. I may be wrong, but did you check? 02.54.39 # what button do i press to start recording? 02.55.51 # what does the recording section of the manual tell you? 02.56.41 # * LambdaCalculus37 adds his manual fixes to the 3.0 branch 02.58.12 # * pixelma will add fixes for LambdaCalculus37 fixes later then, currently test building anyways 02.59.06 # you know where i got gameboy emulator for sansa? 02.59.27 Join maha [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 02.59.40 # it says no roms in .rockbox/pacman 02.59.54 # Well, then you have to get ROMs for it then. And don't ask us. 02.59.58 # webguest28: Look, you are expected to have read the manual. 03.01.15 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.02.03 # MarcGuay: I mirrored your wording fix in the 3.0 branch. 03.04.02 # what is a demo for? 03.04.15 # there's a matrix one and a cube one 03.04.45 # webguest28: They're like screensavers. 03.05.02 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcd29a11cda280e8) 03.05.03 Quit maha (Remote closed the connection) 03.05.09 # cool 03.05.22 # how do i make it show when i not use sansa? 03.05.30 # You can't. 03.05.43 # "Like screensavers" means "they aren't screensavers" otherwise I would've said "they're screensavers" 03.05.58 # so i just look at them? 03.06.05 # If you want to. 03.06.11 # webguest28: really, it's more that many screensavers are like demos. look up "demo scene" on wikipedia if you don't get it 03.08.35 Join maha [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 03.11.29 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2869.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.14.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.15.03 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@dyn-118-139-7-136.its.monash.edu.au) 03.17.18 # LambdaCalculus37: btw., my version of the \opt and \nopt line for pacman works, which was when I found out that some manuals don't build. I'll commit a fix for the latter soonish but it's 3 a.m. here and I doubt I'll commit the other 03.18.46 # pixelma: No problem. 03.26.36 Quit krazykit ("gotta run") 03.27.29 Quit m0f0x () 03.30.33 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon|uni (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.32.26 # does the cabbie v2 theme hav album art? 03.35.29 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.30 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-250-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.40 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-250-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.48 # look at the now playing screen? 03.36.20 # Unhelpful: that was unhelpful if album art is not set up yet 03.36.22 # ;) 03.36.37 # LambdaCalculus37: I meant you could do that yourself if you want to 03.36.43 # webguest28: yes 03.38.28 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Do quit now, there's a demon around the corner!") 03.41.00 Quit webguest28 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.41.28 Quit mcuelenaere ("Zzzzzz") 03.43.52 Part pixelma 03.51.05 # What's the story on the copyrightness of that little Rockbox logo with the 1/4 note on it again? We didn't use it for the default theme because the original artist couldn't be located? 03.52.43 # Yes. 03.52.51 # If memory serves, at least 03.54.39 # It's being used a lot in the "clean" galleries and re-licensed. 03.54.56 # Being a police officer must be the worst thing ever. 03.55.14 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 03.56.17 # whoa whoa 03.56.30 # * MarcGuay contemplates installing a single-bootloader on the Beast with the charging patch. 03.56.32 # MarcGuay: That's one of the nice things about "safe harbor" provisions. 03.56.52 # Unless someone reports a theme to us as being copyright infringing, we're assuming people have the right to license a theme as they have it licensed. 03.57.07 # Basically, you either have a choice to police everything, or not examine them at all unless someone reports them to you. 03.57.12 # I ASSume all licenses are valid, unless there is overwhelming evidence to me - a "lay man" that there is a violation. 03.57.49 # I thought I made that clear when I split the galleries. 03.58.07 # As it stands, these people are asserting that they have a valid right to license it. 03.58.25 # Slant, I think, it an important one because the author has come forward in the past, on our site, and explicitly said he *couldn't* license in CC_by_SA 03.58.31 # and we have their "real name" ;) 04.00.28 Quit JdGordon|uni (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.01.24 Quit maha () 04.05.06 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.07 # * MarcGuay maintains that ScreamingOprah is the best/worst theme ever and await a lawsuit from the Queen of Daytime herself. 04.07.19 # *awaits 04.09.38 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 04.15.02 Quit rasher (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.57 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.31.14 Quit XavierGr () 04.31.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 04.32.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.33.13 Join maha [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 04.41.17 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (i=768aa360@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88b0e79cb346b5d5) 04.45.52 Join EddieFig [0] (n=HP_Owner@cpe-75-85-251-207.bak.res.rr.com) 04.46.24 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 04.47.03 # any chance of zune getting rockbox anytime? 04.49.33 Part EddieFig 04.59.06 Quit JdGordon|uni ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.03.09 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 05.07.42 Join jessierutledge [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-75-82-227-43.socal.res.rr.com) 05.07.49 Part jessierutledge 05.08.09 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 05.08.11 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.08.17 Join VirtualX1 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-75-82-227-43.socal.res.rr.com) 05.14.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.15.44 Quit agaffney (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.20.02 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008072820]") 05.20.52 Nick delt_away is now known as delt (i=1000@66.234.26.5) 05.20.54 # Hello 05.21.38 # What files in the source code should i modify so that the firmware doesn't try to load .MOD files, but rather use the mikmod plugin to play them? 05.22.18 # i edited out all references to MOD format i could find in firmware/id3.c and other files, and removed the codecs/mod.codec 05.22.23 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.22.36 # they still show up with that brownish "2 notes" icon 05.22.43 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98213c18@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0bf0bed28319ee36) 05.27.34 # delt: Perhaps searching the subversion history for keywords like "mod" will turn up the change that did the opposite of what you want. And you can simply revert that. Does Mikmod have an advantage over the codec? 05.27.48 # Searching the closed tracker tasks may also prove useful... 05.28.02 # yeah, more complete and less buggy 05.28.15 # and more consistent with playing other mod formats 05.28.33 # Are there bugs with the codec? Other mod's meaning .s3m/.it/etc? 05.28.42 # yeah sorry 05.28.47 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.29.15 # but let's say i want filenames ending with ".xyz" to be ignored by the firmware, and loaded by a plugin 05.29.33 # where would i remove the suffix ".xyz" 05.29.34 # & 05.29.36 # uh 05.29.36 # ? 05.29.50 # No reason to apologize. Try those paths I mentionned... I don't know without researching myself. 05.31.28 # ... but you surely must know where are the file types "registered" to codecs? i'm not quite familiar with the rockbox architecture. 05.31.42 # From MajorChanges DONE 2008-05-21: MOD codec support added. 05.31.51 # delt: No idea. 05.33.23 # this seems like i would need to comment out or modify a single line of code, or a few at most...... but where?? 05.33.34 # The original patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8680 05.33.44 # delt: Do some research and work backwards. 05.33.48 # thanks, looking at it now 05.34.11 # Good luck. 05.34.12 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 05.34.24 Quit Horscht ("electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris") 05.34.54 # ok, thanks 05.34.59 Nick delt is now known as delt_away (i=1000@66.234.26.5) 05.35.33 Join Kpalsm [0] (n=Kpalsm@bas13-toronto12-1167984374.dsl.bell.ca) 05.37.03 Part Kpalsm 05.41.58 # DID IT!! apps/filetypes.c 05.42.07 # *slaps forehead* 05.53.12 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.57.15 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 06.10.02 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@parafin.dialup.corbina.ru) 06.10.04 Join ze0 [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 06.11.36 Quit ze (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.11.36 Nick ze0 is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 06.16.03 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.16.06 Quit Zarggg () 06.16.58 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 06.21.55 Quit parafin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.23.11 # hey, can someone help me install rockbox on my ipod? 06.23.28 # VirtualX1, what ipod 06.23.40 # 5G 06.23.45 # 30 GB 06.24.05 # did you read the manual? 06.24.18 # the current build wont unzip 06.24.42 # and yes, i have 06.25.36 # what do you mean by it will not unzip? 06.26.17 # i downloaded the current archive, and mac os x does not want to unzip it 06.26.52 # Have you tried using RBUtil? 06.27.29 # downloading it is wierd, maybe ill try another browser to download it 06.27.49 Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.27.53 # firefox is failing with downloading it 06.28.15 # oh wait 06.28.19 # saved it as 06.28.21 # :D 06.28.53 # well i guess that was pointless, sorry for the bother :/ 06.28.58 # kind of a newb here 06.29.58 Quit maha (Nick collision from services.) 06.30.01 Join Maha` [0] (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 06.30.36 Quit jhulst (No route to host) 06.32.14 Quit ze (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.37.26 Nick Maha` is now known as maha (i=juma@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xB9002659) 06.43.47 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 06.44.22 Quit JdGordon_ ("Miranda IM! 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Others have discussed it much more, though the last time I looked at the proposal I honestly felt parts of it made things worse. 09.40.10 # I just meant the map of the current menus 09.40.15 # not an effort to improve them 09.40.40 # Oh, no, I never mapped them. I considered doing it, and at the time found someone had already mapped them out fully at the time. 09.41.10 # * GodEater suspects it probably needs doing again 09.42.03 # Maybe I can make that a goal for 3.1, a reorganized menu system. 09.43.12 # Which reminds me of a question I was curious about. 09.43.21 Join funman_ [0] (n=tg@97-195-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) 09.43.43 # I seem to recall some players used software tone controls for bass and treble, any idea which those are? 09.45.10 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.45.19 # the Iaudios I believe, maybe others as well 09.45.52 # Ah, and do those have a line out that's permanently at line-level? 09.47.25 # seem to remember this so but I need to try because I'm not sure. Can give you the result soon. 09.47.32 Quit funman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.47.54 Join funman [0] (n=tg@97-195-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) 09.48.20 # I was just curious about Bass/Treble/Equalizer/Volume, and which targets get those for headphones, which for line out, and where they're different between targets. 09.49.19 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.49.23 # volume is definitely seperate 09.53.58 # the only volume change I notice when adjusting from the WPS is that it mutes, as soon as it above that I get line level through the line-out 09.55.33 # I'm wondering if it would make sense to split "Sound Settings" into "Headphones" "Line Out" and "All Sound" and only show the options in each that only affect that category. 09.55.46 # For example, on h120, you can't separate effects for Line Out vs Headphones 09.56.02 # While on the iPods I believe you can control the dock line out completely independently of the headphone output in all aspects. 09.56.26 # Meanwhile digital effects like the equalizer, I believe, go to both anyway since it's done before the audio gets to the DAC. 09.59.09 # on h1x0/h3x0, the headphone/line-out split is done at the end stage of the DAC (maybe the headphone amp is attached to the line-out?), so there's not much to split 09.59.39 # and what's wrong with controlling bass/treble on the line-out? 10.00.53 # petur: Nothing specific. 10.01.04 # My point is more "its not clear to users which effects happen on a line out, and which don't" 10.01.12 # Especially if it differs from target to target. 10.01.37 # And some simple sorting of the menus might help clarify this, at the cost (as always) of added complexity navigating them. 10.01.48 # if we split this up, it should only be done for targets where it matters... 10.02.33 # Yes. 10.02.59 # If all settings always apply, then you just have "Sound Settings" without a subcategory 10.03.46 # arg, then we have #ifdef hell in the menus... 10.04.27 # we could make one menu item simpler ... the bookmarks ;) 10.04.41 Quit funman_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.45 # would be nicer if someone would fix the DSP so every setting works on every target, but the ones whic h can do it in hardware do it there, and the ones that cant do it in the DSP 10.05.02 # * JdGordon is working on bookmarks... sort of... not much rockbox time atm :( 10.05.23 # JdGordon: Even if every setting worked on all targets, ones that do it in hardware would inevitably not always do it the same. 10.05.40 # For example, on iPods and iAudios "Volume" doesn't adjust the line out level, while on the H100/H300 it does adjust the line out level. 10.05.53 # :( 10.06.24 # In the future a target with an actual hardware EQ might choose not to apply it to the line out, or might even had an independent one for the line out 10.06.41 # Like I believe iPods have an independent gain we can set for the line out, we just currently set it at 0. 10.07.51 # wouldn't it be enough to have a different text description in the lang file for those targets? 10.08.22 # That would help some, yeah. 10.09.39 # * Llorean wants to know if Bass/Treble affects line out on all targets. 10.10.09 # on the Iaudio it does 10.10.48 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ec1869f5d3a6fcaa) 10.11.16 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 10.12.27 Join scorche [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.12.30 # And Gigabeat and H100 10.16.56 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-218-108.dsl.scarlet.be) 10.21.25 Join mazling [0] (i=largeear@host86-147-122-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) 10.23.38 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=Bjoern@173.80-202-110.nextgentel.com) 10.23.39 Join tucoz [0] (i=528612c1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-baf4bdb943e79070) 10.24.17 Join vitja [0] (n=vitja@l34.ipu.rssi.ru) 10.29.15 # Hi, if someone wants to update some missing things for the manual i have tried to sum up some showstoppers here: http://pastebin.com/m21bd966a 10.38.18 # can we remove the "Broekn themes" sticky in the forums yet? 10.39.07 # yeah, I'd say so. 10.39.14 # * Llorean dislikes stickies. 10.39.35 # except forum guidelines? ;) 10.39.39 # they are good... but its been 2 months so I think its fair enough to remove it 10.39.51 # tucoz: I think, generally, the more you have the less likely people are to read any of 'em. 10.40.01 # You can get away with maybe up to 3 before people start just ignoring them entirely. 10.40.38 # i know. i think i work that way myself 10.41.12 # So I've tried to keep the number down to as few as possible, but some sections just end up with more than others. 10.41.50 Join mr_pink [0] (n=pete@pjrh2.caths.cam.ac.uk) 10.43.11 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.43.33 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 10.56.43 # Llorean: It does on most targets, but not on all 10.57.03 Part tucoz 10.57.23 # amiconn: That's about what I suspected. 10.58.33 Part B4gder 10.58.56 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@p54BCCD7A.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.59.24 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 10.59.43 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 11.04.05 Part B4gder 11.04.30 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.04.30 # hi, were there recently changes in rockbox that could have affected the H300 non-LCD remote? 11.05.31 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 11.07.14 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@leased-line-60-126.telecom.by) 11.10.41 # nevermind, the remote misbehaves with an older build too, so it is probably a hardware issue. 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(Jaykay) 11.48.18 Join haganah [0] (n=dave@dslb-088-069-030-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.56.03 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.59.56 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.05.27 Quit parafin|away ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 12.05.30 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 12.13.00 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 12.14.03 # * Llorean doesn't like people who make a half dozen bug reports, and mark them as "all targets" even when they're very target specific like battery lifetime. 12.15.28 # well "all targets" is the default... 12.15.46 # He took the time to change other values, though 12.16.09 # Or... maybe he didn't. 12.17.11 # He did. The bug about settings isn't marked Settings 12.17.50 # Hah. Lovely 12.20.13 Quit mr_pink (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.35.00 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.40.40 Join mr_pink [0] (n=pete@pjrh2.caths.cam.ac.uk) 12.43.16 # is changing the system->limits menu items still supposed to ask the user to reboot, but actually doesn't, or did that get fixed? 12.43.29 # i remember i could make rockbox crash changing that before 12.45.18 # mine didn't ask to reboot 12.48.51 # no, it doesn't, and that might be a bug, can't look at the code atm 12.49.07 # before it just changed the limit variables, but not the allocated memory, giving weird results 12.49.24 # hmm 12.53.21 # preglow: I have some memory of the weirdness being fixed, but I'm not sure 12.55.57 Quit [CBR]Unspoken|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.04.53 Quit mazling ("Inde da'covale misain ye; Caballien misain ye!") 13.05.46 # B4gder: I noticed that your buildall script also builds some non-release ports. Is this intentional? 13.06.10 # I didn't bother to fix it, it was copied from the daily build script 13.07.01 # ok 13.09.18 Quit mr_pink () 13.12.16 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@p3E9E65D0.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.15.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.22.25 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.24.12 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 13.24.20 # If we want to release soon, maybe it's time to get out sticks to hit people who don't edit the release notes 13.24.23 Join t0mas [0] (n=tjsalfis@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 13.24.37 # hi 13.25.37 Join mazling [0] (i=largeear@host86-147-122-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) 13.26.22 # hi t0mas! 13.26.37 # * gevaerts waves 13.27.21 # t0mas: long time no see :) 13.27.22 # :D 13.27.49 # t0mas: what brings you here? 13.28.27 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85-127-20-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 13.29.11 # no real purpose.. just wondering how Rockbox was doing 13.30.05 # we still maintain the illusion there will be a 3.0 release! 13.31.17 # Have we decided which targets will be in the 3.0 release? Or rather, which targets with current builds will be excluded? 13.31.38 # not really, no 13.37.23 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.39.07 # It'll probably just happen similar to how the feature freeze started. 13.39.44 # A few of us wait for the rest of you guys to be asleep, then declare our own list of targets when there's nobody around to object to it. :-P 13.40.04 # * gevaerts will stay awake the entire week 13.40.14 # Though as far as I'm aware it's only really a matter of discussion for a couple players anyway. 13.40.19 # * B4gder will just wipe the server clean 13.40.44 # We could just post to -dev or such and have a quick vote on 1G2G and iAudio M3 was it? 13.41.07 # yes, at least one of the two users might reply :-] 13.41.14 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-169-52.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.41.20 # *g* 13.41.31 # B4gder: need help? I can click on links if you need to 13.41.41 # thanks! 13.41.53 # I think it's pretty safe to leave out both of those. 13.42.07 # They have quirks that I think go beyond "quirk" to "significant annoyance to regular users" 13.43.10 # And userbases so small it's possible nobody will even notice they were left out. 13.43.26 # I think the lack of manual for the M3 alone is enough to disqualify it 13.43.34 # ah indeed 13.44.01 # That is a pretty major point against it. :) 13.44.06 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.45.23 # * linuxstb would have liked all current builds to be included, but the lack of users likely to notice is a strong enough argument... 13.45.47 # linuxstb: The M3 requires shenanigans in order to charge at all. 13.46.01 # It doesn't really even have a normally accessible OF charging, or ability to charge while off IIUC. 13.46.16 # and it's not properly documented... 13.46.30 # Yes, the lack of a manual is a show-stopper in itself. 13.46.35 # the charging trick I meant 13.46.37 # * B4gder pushes M3 out of the warm and comfy release pool 13.46.44 # So it's in about the same state as the beast 13.47.29 # gevaerts: At least the beast can be made dual boot, then charged easily. 13.47.49 # Not for the regular user, I'll admit. But it's at least possible. 13.48.11 # well, I'd say a manual is a requirement for release 13.48.22 # Llorean: exactly, and we don't even consider that port done 13.48.22 # * Llorean kinda likes the bootloader cookie idea for the 1G2G as a way to make them behave at least in a way a user can figure out. 13.49.07 # I don't see much difference in knowing how to boot into the OF for charging (and that you need to) and knowing how to get to the charging mode on M3 - you just need the howto on both 13.49.23 Join mr_pink [0] (n=pete@pjrh2.caths.cam.ac.uk) 13.50.30 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.50.37 # If the charging is documented, it can be released and supported. But there's no manual to document it in... 13.51.48 # The charging requires the presence of a PC even though it has a separate charger, right? 13.52.28 Join svpe [0] (n=svpe@p54905AAC.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.53.26 # yes, IIRC one needs to insert the charger while connected to USB. Then you can disconnect USB and it'll stay in the OF's charging screen 13.54.06 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-169-52.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.54.15 # you could also charge from USB but this is slow because the OF keeps the disk spinning during the USB data connection 13.57.23 # Actually it's not the OF, but the cowon loader. M3/M5/X5 have no dualboot 13.59.00 # wasn't there a dualboot proposal for X5? 13.59.13 # a new one, that is - less hackish 13.59.17 # yep, even a patch 14.00.34 # * Llorean brought it up at DevCon, or tried to. 14.01.02 # I think LinusN said he wanted to look at it, see exactly what it was doing, but got distracted by the H300 issues. 14.01.55 # we need monthly devcons! 14.03.17 # Quarterly release planning DevCons! We split the difference. 14.03.31 # * petur gives Llorean an angry look. Don't blame h300 14.04.54 # petur: I'm not blaming it. It certainly takes higher priority. 14.05.06 # Goal 1 of the bootloader is to actually boot. Our X5 one at least does that still. :) 14.05.14 # Actually, maybe it doesn't. 14.05.25 # * Llorean doesn't actually know about current SVN builds of it. 14.06.29 # Llorean: it does 14.06.46 # Good to know. 14.06.50 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.06.51 # So see, H300 is much more important 14.09.54 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-169-52.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.12.18 Quit mazling ("Inde da'covale misain ye; Caballien misain ye!") 14.12.54 Quit haganah ("Konversation terminated!") 14.15.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD691F.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.15.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 14.18.44 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB2398.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.33.21 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B4795C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.33.34 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 14.37.13 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 14.38.22 Part t0mas 14.59.05 # * linuxstb moves here from #rockbox-community and would agree that FS#9354 is a bug, or at the very least a questionable design choice - fade should/could happen in the background, not controlled by the UI thread in a blocking way 14.59.29 # that is a remnant from the archos days 14.59.37 # a hack 14.59.51 # Yes, I realise that. 14.59.58 # * Llorean personally really hates the fade. 14.59.59 # Oh. 15.00.08 # For 3.0, do we want to consider changing some of the setting defaults? 15.00.28 # For example, a default of dircache on, or a higher amount for the max dirsize, or fade being disabled by default? 15.01.20 # I wouldn't object - people have long been suggesting dircache should be on by default. I also think any database-related settings should be set to make database use as automatic as possible. 15.01.26 # higher dirsize on modern targets is a good idea 15.01.38 # i agree 15.01.46 # I think if dircache is good enough that we're willing to include it in the release, it's good enough to be enabled by default even if it has a few quirks. 15.02.25 # What is the current dirsize? 400? 15.02.28 # And I think database should have everything default set up to be automatic so all a user needs to do is initialize it the first time. 15.02.30 # I believe so. 15.02.33 # And that affects playlist size as well? 15.02.39 # Playlist size is separate. 15.02.48 # I think. 15.03.10 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-08dbfa9f88dc993b) 15.03.14 # * Llorean thinks 10000 is a good playlist max, with 20000 for the 64MB targets since we know they're likely to have more disk space. 15.03.23 # People seem to like to shuffle all files. 15.03.37 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a04303@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c4a8cc617fca7ca9) 15.03.50 Quit mr_pink () 15.07.32 # While I like the idea of keeping the binary slim where possible, I don't think it's necessarily bad to waste RAM by setting limits too high so that people who don't know better at least are much, much less likely to run into the limits, and can lower those limits for the small performance gains they may offer. 15.07.52 # i agree totally 15.12.51 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 15.15.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.15.41 Join BlueAidan_work [0] (n=BlueAida@client002.c018724.customers.cinergycom.net) 15.16.11 # does the rockbox firmware support reading from ntfs? (i.e., formatting the ipod to ntfs)? 15.16.16 # JdGordon: Maybe change it to "Later" instead of "Won't fix"? 15.16.18 # BlueAidan_work: No. 15.16.32 # sigh 15.16.38 # ah well 15.16.47 # Why do you need NTFS? 15.17.24 # fat32 sucks... having to run chkdsk on 80GB right now 15.17.34 # somehow corrupted itself 15.17.44 # Disks don't really corrupt themselves. 15.18.09 # Something has to happen, somewhere. Bad software can corrupt any sort of filesystem. So can hardware failures, or interrupted transfers, or etc. 15.18.31 # all I can say is that it went from working fine to no music / errors when copying in one day 15.18.54 # Meanwhile, MP3 players are, mostly, read-often-write-few devices and the extra overhead of a more complex filesystem is pretty wasteful. 15.20.15 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 15.21.28 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.22.05 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21C6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.24.26 # Llorean: which is why Microsoft implemented TFAT 15.24.32 # NTFS is just overkill for a DAP 15.24.51 # now if only there was an OSS implementation of TFAT ; 15.24.53 # :) 15.24.53 # Isn't part of the Beast problem that host OSes don't support TFAT? 15.24.57 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.215.21) 15.25.00 # Not even Windows... 15.25.10 # linuxstb: all my boxen appear to read it ok 15.25.30 # it's only Rockbox itself which is unhappy :( 15.25.31 # You never get errors where the OF insists on a recovery/ 15.25.32 # Well, TFAT occurs on top of exFAT right? 15.25.50 # According to Microsoft's knowledge base thingy, at least. 15.26.11 # Llorean: I believe so. 15.26.18 # * LambdaCalculus37 checks MS's knowledge base 15.26.19 # * Llorean notes that Windows Vista tried to make him reformat his USB thumb stick as exFAT. 15.26.32 # Or was it one of my external drives. 15.26.43 # linuxstb: except in my case the OF says "I'm going to recover", and then never does. 15.27.39 # GodEater: You fell victim to the OF wiping everything away, too? 15.27.49 # LambdaCalculus37: that's happened to me twice now 15.27.54 # * linuxstb suspects the Beast will never be completely happy until we reflash it with our own bootloader, assuming we can... 15.28.00 # what's going on at the moment though is that Rockbox refuses to start 15.28.02 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.28.13 # the bootloader says "File not found" and gives up 15.28.35 # while both Windows and Linux can see the .rockbox dir and it's contents just fine over USB. 15.28.42 # so our ATA driver is working at least ;) 15.28.52 # * LambdaCalculus37 hopes that we can get that damn charging code into the Gigabeat S port, so we can finally be rid of the OF 15.29.11 # LambdaCalculus37: re. one of your forum posts - I'm not sure and never tried myself but for some reason I think I read that mp3s copied over to a Sansa in MTP mode wouldn't work in Rockbox 15.29.27 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 15.29.29 # I side with linuxstb here, I think we need to flash it, if at all possible 15.29.43 # pixelma: I've read that too 15.30.02 # no idea if it's true though 15.30.09 # pixelma: Files transferred via MTP are stuck into a hidden folder on the Sansa, and are easily discoverable. 15.30.35 # The Gigabeat S does a similar thing: all content transferred via MTP is just simply shuffled into a /Content folder on the root of the main partition. 15.30.37 # nah, the Music folder is always hidden even if you use MSC mode 15.31.18 # LambdaCalculus37: they're not being DRM'd on the fly are they like on the Gigabeat F's OF ? 15.31.34 # GodEater: Nope. 15.32.10 # But IIRC the only difference is that the folder isn't hidden on the S. 15.32.20 # doesn't appear to be certainly 15.32.40 # GodEater: Hey, it's been a while. :P 15.32.53 # * GodEater 's S is a glorified HD at the moment 15.32.55 Join crope [0] (n=crope@dyn3-82-128-186-74.psoas.suomi.net) 15.33.04 # you can reformat the S as regular FAT32 if the parameters are right 15.33.11 # LambdaCalculus37: in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotes30#What_s_new you added a mention about new codecs... AFAIK 2.5 only supported HWCODEC targets, so there only was MP3 support 15.33.16 # if they're not right, the OF bootloader will reformat it as TFAT for you. 15.33.18 # Unhelpful: do you happen to know what those parameters are then ? 15.33.30 # Nico_P: Want me to add the other codecs? 15.33.49 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 15.33.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 15.34.12 # i do: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation#Formatting_the_storage_partition 15.34.21 # LambdaCalculus37: not really. I think it would be more appropriate to say support was added for SWCODEC targets, with the abitility to play back a multitude of codecs 15.34.28 # s/codecs/file types 15.34.31 # Nico_P: Editing now. 15.34.41 # 512k sectors, 64k clusters, volume label "TFAT" 15.34.54 # I remember that Rockbox didn't find the 4 or 5 example songs which came with my c250 15.35.18 # but I don't know whether they were DRM'ed 15.35.21 # for me, anyway, formatting FAT32 seems to solve the bootloader-can't-find-rockbox issue 15.35.35 # pixelma: I threw that folder out on my c240 when I got it. 15.35.40 # So I don't remember. 15.36.05 Quit AndyIL (Connection timed out) 15.36.36 Part BlueAidan_work ("Leaving.") 15.36.42 # Nico_P: Fixed it up; wanna check it out? 15.37.18 # Unhelpful: 512*k* sectors?? 15.38.33 # guh. my bad. 15.38.53 # 512B sectors, 64KiB clusters, to be precise :/ 15.38.53 # * LambdaCalculus37 edits his forum post to clarify MTP mode 15.39.02 # LambdaCalculus37: I think that's better 15.39.33 # the what's new section is going to be extremely long :) 15.39.59 # 64K clusters is an extension microsoft once invented (for NT4, in order to push the fat16 limit a bit, fat32 did not exist yet) but discourages nowadays... 15.40.35 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@pool-96-250-252-230.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) 15.40.36 # amiconn: i tried 512B sectors. i didn't try in between. since there's nothing on it right now anyway, i could test smaller sizes 15.42.27 Quit vitja (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.52 # actually, that'll be 32KiB clusters. it's 64 sectors/cluster. 15.50.02 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@63-227-58-162.hlrn.qwest.net) 15.50.33 # can anyone help me with putting wikipedia on my ipod g5? 15.50.34 # gevaerts: did you get my email? 15.50.42 # using http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 15.51.04 # kkurbjun: yes. I'll look into it tonight 15.51.16 # I understand compiling ans such and I'm running kubuntu hardu, but I don't where to start on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 15.51.55 # great, let me know how it turns out 15.52.16 # there are .zip's .tar.gz's , .diff's, .c's etc 15.52.47 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@p5B033A74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.52.50 # jeroen-: Reading the last comments, it would appear that the patch is out of sync with the current version of Rockbox, so you'll either need to fix that (which requires C programming skills), or use an old version of Rockbox (one from the same day as the patch). 15.53.10 # jeroen-: This page explains how to use patches - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 15.53.15 # kkurbjun: I will 15.53.47 # linuxstb: are you sure, it's only one saying that 15.54.17 # but thanks anyhow 15.54.27 # jeroen-: No - feel free to try yourself... 15.54.54 # linuxstb: so I only have to use the latest patchfile 15.55.06 # all the tar.gz's and zip's are not needed? 15.55.52 # 16KiB and 8KiB clusters both trigger OF format. i think i'll quit at that 15.57.41 # jeroen-: I've never looked at that patch, but I'm guessing the .tar.gz and/or .zips are the actual dumps of wikipedia. You'll need that in addition to a patched version of Rockbox (which is what the .diff does) 15.58.21 # I understand 15.58.29 # kkurbjun, gevaerts: what are you working on? 15.58.36 # but I also understand that I have recompile rockbox myself 15.58.40 # jeroen-: It's not an official part of Rockbox, so you may have more luck seeking help elsewhere - e.g. the misticriver thread linked in the very first post, or google... 15.59.44 # yes and I don't have the time to fiddle with this 16.00.10 # maybe only putting the text files from the dutch wikipedia is a temp. workarounf 16.00.11 # ok, I'm off now and back again on the 18th 16.00.12 # d 16.00.20 Part B4gder 16.01.27 # markun: the gigabeat F bootloader is apparently broken on some players (if not all). I have work that I have not committed on the bootloader (which works for me) and gevaerts has a player where the bootloader is not working. He is going to see if the build I have works for him 16.03.43 Part LinusN 16.07.08 Quit DerDome (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.07.16 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-250-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.17.24 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 16.18.18 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.27.38 Quit crashd_ ("leaving") 16.27.57 Join crashd [0] (i=foobar@lostnode.org) 16.39.31 # LambdaCalculus37: Rockbox does not find the album I just copied to my c200 in MTP mode, using WMP (and it was not nice, really). In contrast WMP found the 5 original example songs still on my Sansa - the only thing I didn't delete yet is the system folder which contains a subfolder called "MTP data" ... 16.40.32 # err "mtpcontent" 16.43.27 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B4795C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.44.04 Join AndyCR [0] (n=AndyCR@71-211-43-226.clsp.qwest.net) 16.44.58 # I'm considering getting a sansa e260, but I hear that there are two revisions, one which works with rockbox and onw which doesn't. How do I make sure I get the correct revision? 16.45.17 # you check the firmware version number 16.45.48 # v1 is 1.* and v2 is 3.* if i remember correctly 16.46.03 # v1 is the one you want 16.46.10 # v2 doesn't work with Rockbox (yet) 16.46.29 # Is there any way to tell before buying? 16.46.39 # Outward appearance changes, etc? 16.47.09 # not that I know 16.47.15 # recent versions tend to be v2 16.47.30 # although I bough a new v1 3 months ago in the netherlands 16.48.10 # the firmware revision is the only reliable way to tell 16.48.31 # Since the only reason I would buy the device would be because of rockbox support, perhaps the best way is to buy one used and have the person check the firmware for me before I buy it 16.48.41 # that sounds like a good idea 16.48.43 # <{phoenix}> I've bought unfortunately the v2. On the box you can't can see this 16.48.57 # Do you know how close support for the v2 model is to being implemented? 16.49.14 # I hear Sandisk freely gave specs for v1, but then changed it's mind with v2 16.49.45 # <{phoenix}> but I can see on the back of the mp3-player: model: e260v2 16.50.26 # ah, interesting 16.50.32 # AndyCR: if you're in the US, have a look at www.froobi.com. They sell refurbished players and they test for v1 vs v2 16.50.33 # <{phoenix}> even that is unreliable though 16.50.42 # we've had people find v1 in a v2 case 16.50.45 # and vice-versa 16.50.49 # gevaerts: Thanks 16.50.58 # AndyCR: and sandisk never gave specs. They only gave some players 16.51.12 # also - we don't give ETAs on when ports will be ready, since it's not possible. 16.51.49 # pixelma: Thanks for testing. :) 16.51.58 # I'm sorry you had to put up with WMP. 16.55.27 # also, I'm curious about the development process 16.55.44 # One of the reasons I want to use rockbox is because it's open source 16.55.56 # In your experience, is the source pretty clean and interesting to tweak? 16.56.02 # take a look at flyspray and the svn repository then :) 16.56.19 # AndyCR: If we wrote it, we should know, right? ;) 16.56.20 # Thanks, I'll look 16.56.26 # bits of the code are clean, bits of it are less so ;) 16.56.33 # imho it's quite nice. (and i didn't wrote it :p) 16.56.37 # AndyCR: iin my experience, the source is nice and clean :) 16.56.39 # *cough*playback.c*cough* 16.56.43 # :) 16.56.46 # There's some spots that do need some fixing up. 16.56.48 # So what compiler do you use? 16.56.53 # gcc. 16.57.06 # GodEater: hehe, it has gotten better 16.57.10 # Do you have to do development from Linux, or can you compile from Windows as well? 16.57.16 # Nico_P: still not bug free though right ? :) 16.57.22 # not quite 16.57.34 # AndyCR: you need a posix like environment 16.57.42 # which on windows means one of three options 16.57.47 # cygwin, vmware, or colinux 16.57.59 # Thanks. I'll check out the source 16.58.25 # I don't suppose there's an emulator of some kind to test rockbox on a PC? 16.58.33 # yes :) 16.58.39 # we have simulator builds 16.58.42 # :) You seem to have all the bases covered 16.58.57 # anyone know if rasher's builds are up to date ? 16.59.07 # AndyCR: Always gotta be prepared, y'know? ;) 16.59.20 # AndyCR: http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ <-- there you go 16.59.27 # (I assume from your question that you're on windows) 17.00.16 Quit toffe82 (Remote closed the connection) 17.00.22 # thanks 17.01.17 # * GodEater wonders if Nico_P is the only person who thinks playback.c is "nice and clean" these days 17.02.20 # GodEater: it certainly isn't, but it has gotten more manageable 17.02.40 # good to know 17.02.40 # there is still a long way to go before it can be said to be nice and clean 17.03.04 # but it's just awful now, instead of truly abysmal ? :) 17.05.06 # you got it ;) 17.05.12 # * GodEater is well aware of course that any improvement at all has been down to the blood, sweat and tears of Nico_P and is in awe of it :) 17.06.07 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 17.08.40 # :) 17.09.04 # just rewrite it in whitespace. couldn't be cleaner. 17.10.38 # That's a very unhelpful comment :) 17.14.17 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 17.14.33 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 17.15.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.52 # Running the simulator, and it's very nice. I like it a lot. I do have an issue, though. If I select a video file, it plays the audio from it in the audio player but no video. Is that just a simulator issue? It seems like it's just a plugin missing 17.18.43 # AndyCR: The Mpegplayer plugin is included with every build that supports it. What kind of video file are you trying to play? 17.18.58 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 17.19.20 # LambdaCalculus37: I tried an MP4 file and an AVI file 17.19.29 # The AVI file didn't show up in the file browser 17.19.30 # Rockbox only supports Mpeg1/2 17.19.32 # I'm having some trouble with using meizu_dfu for my meizu m6 on an ibook running osx.. any known limitations? :) 17.19.38 # Ah. That's why. Thanks. 17.20.05 # and .mp4 is one of the extensions rockbox expects for aac files iirc 17.20.16 # Maybe just the fact that I'm trying to load a m6sl rockboot.ebn on it? :p 17.20.37 # skatteola: is it a PPC ibook? 17.20.51 # yeah, it is.. endian trouble? 17.20.56 # yes 17.20.57 # AndyCR: There's a page on the wiki explaining the Mpegplayer plugin, and also how you can transcode videos to the proper MPEG1/2 format Rockbox uses. 17.21.13 # AndyCR: we even recommend a couple of tools for doing that 17.21.18 # skatteola: I fixed it on my ibook (running linux) but forgot to commit 17.21.30 # I'll try to do it tonight 17.21.32 # I also tried WMV, which I assume it thought was just straight WMA 17.21.34 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 17.21.42 # Thanks 17.21.42 # possibly 17.21.44 # ah, ok, sounds great :) thanks 17.21.51 # AndyCR: No problem. :) 17.22.16 # markun: On that note, I was also having some trouble with meizu_dfu on my PowerBook as well (PPC). 17.22.26 # skatteola: btw, I had to make some changes on my PC running FreeBSD, so you might get into the same problems 17.22.56 # LambdaCalculus37: any luck with the nano yet? 17.23.28 # What kind of changes? It seems to progress nicely until it comes to the "while (dfu_ret[4] != 0x07)" loop after having written the file 17.23.47 # skatteola: I had to disable the get_cpu() calls 17.23.55 # markun: Can't do anything with the endian troubles with meizu_dfu, and I haven't had a chance to try an alternate solution yet. 17.24.16 # so if you get past that I guess it's just the endian issue 17.24.26 # skatteola: are you planning to work on the port? 17.24.35 # the get_cpu() calls seems to be working fine indeed 17.25.05 # markun: I'm pretty sure the get_cpu()s are not needed, except of course if you want to use the result 17.25.35 # I'm certainly somewhat interested in it, but both knowledge and time might be in a bit lacking at the moment so at this time I'm just interested in getting the toolchain and all working I guess :) 17.26.09 # skatteola: You can always help us test out code. :) 17.26.41 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.51 # Sure :) 17.29.46 # Also, meizu_dfu completely hangs (and leaves a process in uninterruptible wait) if you start it after having let go of both power and the "m" button. This seems to happen at usb_find_devices() though, so I guess that's more of a libusb issue? 17.29.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 17.29.59 # Or osx issue, possibly 17.31.02 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.32.42 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.34.11 # skatteola: you have an M6SP? 17.34.19 # Yeah 17.34.52 # gevaerts and I both have have the SL, there you don't need to keep M pressed 17.34.53 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.06 # maybe wpyh knows more about it 17.37.12 # Just tried again to be sure, and it does indeed hang 17.41.51 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.41.59 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982134c6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e346e4a70bcea76) 17.44.31 # I got video working, thanks 17.45.12 # On a side note, is smooth video possible, or is the hardware just too low-powered to manage it? I notice the video is a bit choppy; not unusably so, just curious whether it can be improved 17.45.27 # (Through some kind of encoding trick, etc.) 17.47.50 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.51.09 # AndyCR: Some of the supported platforms (PortalPlayer-based targets like the iPod, for example) aren't powerful enough to handle video playback at full speed. 17.51.26 # The iPod video is especially slow at video playback. 17.55.44 # I'm running the Sansa E200 simulator 17.55.52 # for iPod video you're really better off using the official firmware for video playback 17.58.23 # AndyCR: better try it on the e200 itself 17.59.23 # AndyCR: markun is right. The hardware itself will give you a much better estimate of video performance. 17.59.33 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.00.04 Quit funman ("leaving") 18.00.26 # I wondered whether that was the case 18.00.38 # Is it almost certainly better on the device itself? 18.00.43 # Or could it be worse? 18.01.45 # The manufacturer firmware uses some terrible "motion jpeg" format that I'm extremely leery of, so i would much prefer to use rockbox if it's at all possible 18.02.43 # AndyCR: On the e200, I would give it a 3.5 out of 5 (my honest opinion). Not to shabby for animation, but may not be so great for live-action stuff. 18.02.53 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.03.15 # AndyCR: But it's up to you, the user, to form an opinion on it. 18.03.56 # My planned usage is mostly MP3's and a few TV episodes when trapped on a plane, bus, etc. Can you watch it for an hour without getting a headache? 18.04.09 # (Though I wonder whether the battery would hold out for that kind of usage...) 18.05.01 # AndyCR: It all depends. Some people can, and some can't. There's not really a set "everyone can take it" on watching videos on the Sansa's screen. 18.05.44 # AndyCR: here you can see what kind of framerate to expect: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Performance 18.05.56 # I see they're about $40 used, so it's a good deal if it's decent 18.06.00 # so 27fps with the fullscreen video 18.06.31 # markun: Thanks. 27 is perfect. 18.06.48 # Just about cable TV framerate, if I'm not mistaken 18.07.22 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 18.07.26 # AndyCR: it will fluctuate a bit. Some scenes are easier to decode than others. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.49.38 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 18.49.40 # Thanks for all the help 18.49.49 Part AndyCR 18.50.20 # * gevaerts should really stop touching players until 3.0 is released 18.51.35 Part toffe82 18.52.50 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.26 Join Rotlaus [0] (n=andre@port-92-196-75-5.dynamic.qsc.de) 18.55.32 # Hi, someone here who can help me get unsubscribed from the mailing lists? 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So it was no rockbox issue. 19.53.01 Quit gevaerts ("reboot") 19.54.52 Join scotty_007 [0] (n=scotty@i59F7FB57.versanet.de) 19.59.21 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.04.22 Quit {phoenix} (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.05.00 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B473CD.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.05.05 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.05.10 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.07.09 Join shotofadds [0] (i=502c653d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee9bb4c377742cf8) 20.11.18 # * gevaerts wonders if he's supposed to confuse playback so easily 20.13.29 # hey! don't you go dig up any showstoppers now! :P 20.14.32 # I didn't want to do it! 20.17.21 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 20.17.28 # On c200 : enable keyclicks, remove earphones from ears (important!), start playing first mp3 in directory, after a few seconds start seeking back, hold seek a while after reaching start of file, press play/pause a few times 20.17.31 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21C6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.18.14 # gevaerts: Does the strength of the keyclicks matter? 20.18.26 # Sometimes I get a serious bleeping sound, sometimes it just half-hangs (i.e. no freeze) 20.18.38 # LambdaCalculus37: I set it to strong, but I doubt if it matters 20.18.53 # You can get it back to working state by exiting the wps 20.19.08 # (sometimes also by pressing other keys) 20.20.02 # However, I tried the same thing on my mini and while the WPS screen seems functional (scrolling text and everything), no button has any effect other than turning on the backlight 20.20.21 Quit Rotlaus (Remote closed the connection) 20.21.02 # gevaerts: I just got a very nasty sound out of my c200 that can best be described as "ZFFFRRRZZZZZZZ". 20.21.11 # ok, I managed to exit the WPS on the mini, but now it's also emitting a nasty high tone 20.21.24 # But mine doesn't hang or anything like that. 20.22.04 # It doesn't always hang. Sometimes it just doesn't play any more but you can still skip to the next track which gets it going again 20.22.19 # * gevaerts is happy that he saw Nico_P join a moment ago :) 20.22.25 # Playback isn't working now. 20.22.32 # * LambdaCalculus37 shuts off the c200 and tries again. 20.22.39 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.22.50 # gevaerts: because of the keyclik bug? 20.23.30 # Nico_P: I'm not sure where the bug is. keyclick seems involved, but that's all I know 20.25.00 # Actually, keyclick on the c200 doesn't even seem to work correctly. 20.25.56 # Is there some sort of software WPS pseudo-hold on ipod? 20.28.28 # Nico_P: I can confuse playback by seeking to the start of the file, holding the seek key, pressing play, releasing the seek key, and releasing play 20.29.21 # the seek-back icon is shown, and nothing happens (even exiting the wps or changing volume doesn't work) until I seek forward 20.29.29 # c200, keyclick set to off 20.29.50 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.30.15 # So from what I can see keyclick only adds the ear-piercing noises to it 20.30.33 # the "keyclick" caused nasty loud beeeeps when voice was enabled until pondlife "fixed" it which in turn meant that it doesn't click reliably 20.31.20 # on portalplayer targets 20.32.12 # gevaerts: I just caused a similar effect, except that on mine, it jumped forward one track in the folder, and the seek back icon was still displaying along with the track information from the first track selected. 20.32.23 # The progress bar was also frozen in place. 20.32.57 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 20.33.06 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.33.22 # The seek-left+play block happens at least on c200, ipod mini and x5 20.33.44 # * LambdaCalculus37 has no music to try out on his 2G iPod 20.33.47 # Of course this just means "don't press two buttons at the same time" 20.34.02 # But what about the sudden jumping of tracks? 20.34.47 # Was that also with more than one button pressed at the same time? 20.35.41 # Yes. 20.36.09 # I guess playback doesn't handle that well. I also guess that it isn't really usual behaviour though 20.36.44 # So this isn't a blocker as far as I am concerned 20.37.51 # Good. :) 20.38.38 # The combination with keyclick could be bad though 20.39.02 # * gevaerts installs spyware on all rockbox players to find out how many people use it 20.40.52 # gevaerts: but how to get the data? usb-tcp/ip-stack ;) 20.41.25 # scotty_007: we integrate that with last.fm 20.41.31 # using sound waves instead of radio waves ? 20.46.06 # http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7180811/claims.html 20.46.20 # doesn't look like an invention to me 20.46.36 # in any case, not made in 2007 20.47.04 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.49.54 # * gevaerts submitted a bug report about the multiple button issue 20.50.33 # gevaerts: which debugging tools can you use to debug such a problem ? 20.50.48 # excepting the simulator 20.51.12 # funman: mainly your brain I expect, and probably logf() 20.51.32 # right 20.51.48 # * gevaerts hasn't actually tried to debug playback issues yet 20.59.22 Quit funman ("leaving") 21.03.15 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.10.02 Quit svpe ("leaving") 21.11.47 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 21.13.02 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.13.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 21.15.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.15.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.16.52 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-73-84.lightsey.resnet.clemson.edu) 21.18.42 # Nico_P: ping 21.22.31 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@pool-72-76-34-19.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 21.23.01 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 21.24.58 Nick oofus[away] is now known as oofus (n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk) 21.25.25 Quit avis ("taktaktaktakkkk") 21.30.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.31.17 # scotty_007: pong 21.36.50 # Nico_P: the pictureflow fixes yesterday (r18454) introduced a bug in the pf-tracklist, as i told you. tried it today with a downloaded current RB on my ipod. i think kugel did not see it, cause he tested with ShowFPS enabled. it occurs only when ShowFPS is disabled: the y-position index of the tracklist ist increased endlessly, so the tracklist is show outside the screen 21.37.28 # ok, I'll give it a try 21.39.00 # Nico_P: I think, this patch fixes (and describes) the problem: http://pastebin.ca/1198443 21.40.46 # titletxt_y is declared static and not initialised if not all tracks fit on the screen and showfps is off 21.41.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 21.41.38 # scotty_007: ah, thanks for the patch :) 21.42.32 # thanks for rockbox! i would never use my ipod with OF ;) 21.43.24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.43.42 # heh, I'm not the one to thank ;) 21.44.22 # but part of it 21.44.43 # scotty_007: you just provided a patch, you're part of it too! 21.47.53 Quit fxb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.47.55 # gevaerts: and as part if it I will try your FS#9391 tomorrow on my ipod color ;) 21.50.01 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 21.53.40 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.53.52 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.55.12 # * LambdaCalculus37 give scotty_007 the honorary welcoming beer 21.55.16 Join fxb__ [0] (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.56.22 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.58.12 # LambdaCalculus37: hicks, thank you, hicks. have to leave now, I'm drunken ;-) bye... 21.58.29 Quit scotty_007 ("Leaving.") 21.58.31 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.01.59 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 22.07.42 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.44 Quit ender` (" Never say "Oooops" ... always say "Ahhh, interesting..."") 22.12.38 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.13.46 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.18.18 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 22.21.18 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! 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