--- Log for 20.09.108 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 18 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.02 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 00.03.18 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 00.03.35 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@81-66-70-98.rev.numericable.fr) 00.05.17 Join kronflux [0] (n=kronflux@hlfxns0161w-142177028006.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net) 00.05.37 Join dany_21a_ [0] (n=dan@84-119-25-105.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 00.05.39 Quit Bensawsome (Client Quit) 00.05.47 # breasts. i mean.. rockbox on the 2g nano and the sansa fuze. engage. 00.06.34 # ? 00.06.50 # if you mean tits pictures we want links. 00.06.56 # http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/09/03/dfu-mode-on-2nd-gen-nanos/ 00.07.02 # start poking on those nanos 00.08.22 # There are indications that the Nanos have such a DFU mode as well, even though we don’t currently know of any way to trigger it by will. 00.08.36 # it is contradicted by the end of the entry 00.08.56 # or you were mentioning another generation of Nano than the 2nd ? 00.09.10 # um.. the 2g nano does have dfu mode. 00.09.30 # we've been poking around with it for a while now. we can trigger it by breaking the ondisk firmware. 00.09.42 # unfortunately, we were unsuccessful on running custom code. 00.09.48 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 00.09.53 # what do you mean 'breaking' ? 00.10.17 # *points to LambdaCalculus37* 00.10.20 # funman: it's apparently enough to just write crap to the "disk" 00.10.34 # where the OF is stored 00.10.40 # you mean offline storage ? 00.10.49 # or code in ram 00.10.53 # nand flash 00.11.07 # and you can't read what's there ? 00.11.20 # yes you can 00.11.22 # Moi? :) 00.11.26 Join denes_ [0] (n=denes@pool-0970.adsl.interware.hu) 00.11.27 # but it's encrypted 00.11.35 # ok 00.11.37 # LambdaCalculus37: Si, tu. :) 00.11.57 # * funman notices french speaking 00.12.09 # funman: Yes, I tried out a little experiemnt on my nano and ended up uncovering DFU mode. 00.12.23 # * Strife89 was using Spanish, and is too lazy to go get accented characters. 00.12.25 # I don't know what exactly the DFU mode is: if it's only meant to upload files, or to run actual code (like a debugger) 00.12.42 # i just came upon a free sansa fuze 4gig, but I have no usb cable for it. hopefully once I get a cable, I can start some work on porting rockbox to -it- but I'd really like to get the nano2g running custom code, too. 00.12.46 # Strife89: :) 00.12.46 # funman: Device Firmware Upgrade Mode. 00.13.09 # kronflux: ah I have 2 of these cables if they are the same than for the sansa clip 00.13.19 # LambdaCalculus37: yes I know the acronym ;) 00.13.35 # funman: it's a custom plug, not mini-usb 00.13.59 # * Strife89 tends to dislike custom connectors. 00.14.13 # I think what I have is mini-ub 00.14.14 # usb* 00.14.27 # what I have is a broken keyboard for sure 00.14.59 # * Strife89 finds his dislike ironic, as both his Sansa and Palm use non-standard connectors. 00.15.02 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.04 # LambdaCalculus37: but is DFU Mode only used to write (full, functional) firmware files to the Nand ? 00.16.14 # * Strife89 attempted to update Rockbox four weeks ago while it was running. 00.16.21 # funman: DFU provides a mostly-standard way to upload or download data. What the device does with that data is not specified 00.16.40 # ok 00.16.47 # * Strife89 does not intend to try again until the USB stack bug is fixed for sure. 00.17.04 # Strife89: which bug exactly? 00.17.27 # gevaerts: The one that causes data corruption on Sansas, 00.17.37 # * gevaerts gets a bit annoyed by people calling FS#8663 "the usb bug". It's a bug in the sd driver... 00.17.55 # That only shows up in USB mode. 00.18.16 Quit dany_21a (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.18.25 # That has only been verifiably seen in USB mode 00.19.13 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE217F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.19.16 # A while ago there were a bunch of people having corrupted settings files on mostly sansas on the forums. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link 00.19.16 Quit culture (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.19.22 # I have noticed another bug that involves file operations but does not involve USB. 00.19.55 # Well, as USB does not involve file operations ... ;) 00.20.16 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.39 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 00.20.54 # If I do several cut/copy and paste operations between the internal flash and the micro SD card, eventually all attempts will fail. This is reproducible, and happens no matter what I do before or between the operations. 00.21.05 # A reboot cures it. 00.21.15 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 00.21.16 # fail as in you get an error? 00.21.36 # (i.e. not as in you get corruption or something like that) 00.21.37 # Yeah: "Paste failed" withing a second after telling it to paste. 00.21.48 # No corruption that I can tell. 00.22.02 # withing -> within 00.22.13 Part domonoky 00.22.31 # Have you ever tried within one drive? (i.e. from internal to internal, or from sd to sd) 00.22.35 # I first noticed it about 700 revisions ago or so. 00.22.45 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.10 # gevaerts: I can't remember, actually, if it happens with only one media. 00.23.21 # * gevaerts will try to reproduce this 00.23.33 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.23.37 Quit BigBambi_ (Nick collision from services.) 00.23.41 # I think it happens after ~15 operations, but I'm not sure. 00.23.44 Nick BigBambi__ is now known as BigBambi (n=Alex@5.189.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 00.23.50 Nick dany_21a_ is now known as dany_21a (n=dan@84-119-25-105.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 00.23.50 # File size does not seem to matter. 00.23.53 # ok. I was just going to ask that :) 00.24.28 # kronflux: I think one of the next steps to take would be to figure out the GPIO pins on the nano. 00.24.35 Join culture [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 00.24.43 Join webguest48 [0] (n=44db9c78@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb8dc989322e6988) 00.28.00 # LambdaCalculus37: how might we go about that? 00.28.26 Quit fragilematter ("I'm outta here") 00.29.43 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.32.49 # kronflux: Datasheets, exploration, and lots of luck. ;) 00.33.57 # faith 00.34.07 # And beer. :) 00.34.08 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.37 # * Strife89 quotes Jack Sparrow for LambdaCalculus37. 00.34.53 # "I love rum [or beer]. Rum's good." 00.35.57 # "A wedding? I love weddings! Drinks all around!" 00.36.54 # LambdaCalculus37, you lead the way, :p I've no idea where I'd start. 00.36.59 # + 00.37.02 Quit funman ("leaving") 00.37.35 # gevaerts: Any luck yet? 00.37.52 # Still copying 00.38.15 # You could've used a few text files...... 00.38.30 Join cornflake [0] (n=cornflak@adsl-074-181-058-051.sip.sav.bellsouth.net) 00.38.35 # what's up guys 00.38.39 # Heck, just copy fonts. 00.39.05 # * Strife89 waves "hi" to cornflake. 00.39.16 # how's it goin? 00.39.23 # The copying isn't what takes most time, it's the menu navigating 00.39.33 # i'm here just wondering if there's anyway to put rockbox on a creative player 00.39.34 # gevaerts: Tell me about it. 00.39.49 # i've got this old nomad zen xtra that the hdd died in, i'm about to rig it up with a 250 gb hd 00.39.53 # and just make it a home system. 00.39.58 # cornflake: Not going to work. 00.40.13 # the whole system or just rockbox? 00.40.19 # Rockbox. 00.40.21 # k 00.40.44 # Used Sansas are cheap these days. ;) 00.41.09 # the cables for them, however, are not. 00.41.59 # There's always a catch.... 00.42.11 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECE71.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.42.44 # Meh, Sansas' flash memory won't come close to a 250GB HDD. 00.45.26 # gevaerts: Addendum to my "bug report": I think the delete function counts toward the bug as well. 00.45.40 # How? 00.46.08 # Well, just consider it the same as a copy/cut-paste operation. 00.46.23 # Do it enough times, and the delete will fail. 00.47.10 # 31 copy/pastes now. Still working 00.47.17 # I'm not sure; I might be remembering wrong. 00.47.29 # To or from the card? 00.47.34 # To 00.47.57 # Hmmm...... Try from the card to internal memory. 00.48.08 # That's what I usually did, anyway. 00.48.10 # * gevaerts thinks that Strife89 wants him to get RSI 00.48.12 # gevaerts: Did you boost? 00.48.17 # no 00.48.21 # gevaerts: RSI? 00.48.30 # Strife89: repetitive strain injury 00.48.37 # Try that... it makes the sd driver bug much more likely to occur 00.48.49 # If these are related 00.48.56 # And usb mode boosts, afaik 00.49.06 # yes it does 00.49.17 # Come to think of it, I think that during most of those operations, I was listening to music..... 00.49.30 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Do quit now, there's a demon around the corner!") 00.49.33 # So it could well be boosted now and then 00.50.04 # Strife89: do cut and copy both trigger this? 00.50.14 # I belive so. 00.50.23 # Inoticed it when experimenting with various optimised write loops. The very fast one always caused errors. The slightly fast one caused errors when boosted 00.50.54 # There is a fifo, and we check the full/empty flag. So the problem is *very* likely some timing register in the PP 00.50.55 Quit kronflux ("Leaving") 00.52.40 # gevaerts: I mostly did cuts. 00.52.49 # Strife89: I get it now 00.53.17 # It's pretty interesting... I also can't get file properties any more 00.53.28 # I'd try again myself, but I have <1MB of space on both card and internal memory, and I don't want to delete anything..... 00.53.43 # gevaerts: I don't think I noticed that. 00.54.30 # FlySpray? 00.54.47 Quit amiconn (" toober") 00.55.29 # yes 00.56.13 # It seems that no file access at all still works 00.56.35 # Shall I post an entry, or will you? 00.56.48 # * Strife89 is not the best at bug reports. 00.56.55 # * gevaerts can do it 00.57.08 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.57.29 # * Strife89 would like the FS# when you get it posted. 00.59.23 # the filesystem is nicely corrupted now 01.00.04 # * gevaerts goes to a windows PC to see what chkdsk says 01.00.08 # Oh, there is corruption? Oh dear..... 01.00.19 # It could have been there before of course 01.00.24 # * gevaerts should have checked 01.00.33 # I didn't mean to get you to screw up your DAP....... 01.00.52 # * amiconn would 'expect' file system corruption sooner or later when there are write errors 01.01.00 # My c200 isn't expected to hold data for very long :) 01.01.27 # s/'/_/g 01.02.17 # Terribly sorry..... 01.04.02 # * amiconn wonders what that means for 3.0 on Sansa... 01.04.20 # I really wish I knew that would happen..... I wouldn't have let you test it...... 01.04.44 # Strife89: I don't do this kind of test on players where data corruption is a problem 01.05.15 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 01.05.23 # interesting... 01.05.34 # That c200 isn't your only player, I hope.... 01.05.37 # chkdsk thinks the FS is fine, but fsck.vfat disagrees 01.05.51 # Strife89: I have 13 01.06.05 # Strife89: Nah, gevaerts seems to be trying to beat me ;) 01.06.14 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.35 # * Strife89 wishes he had a spare DAP. 01.06.53 # For emergencies/ failures/ etc... 01.06.54 Join saget12 [0] (n=621cc016@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8b1296a3d722f345) 01.07.19 # hello, i am having some problems setting my PATH, can anyone help me? 01.07.19 # Strife89: I only use the c200 for testing these days 01.07.35 # * Strife89 feels somewhat relieved. 01.07.51 # saget12: Setting it for what? 01.08.05 # i am trying to get set up for compiling in linux 01.08.20 # saget12: Hang on, I have just the thing for you.... 01.08.44 # edited .bashrc and added this, export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin (i am compiling for an e200) 01.08.46 # saget12: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling 01.09.14 # yeah read that already, i shouldn't need to reboot should i? 01.09.20 # No. 01.09.34 # not reboot, no. You need to start a new shell though (a new xterm, or whatever) 01.09.37 # I wrote that guide, so..... 01.09.41 # i have 01.09.52 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.53 # let me try one more time 01.10.27 Part dany_21a 01.11.25 # saget12: Double-check to be sure you saved it and that there's not a blank line before or after. 01.11.44 # Just a thought. It may not mean anything.... 01.12.04 # Strife89: what's wrong with blank lines? 01.12.34 # That's my point: I don't know, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to check....... 01.12.37 # double checked, still giving me this error when i make, http://pastebin.com/d52737dcd 01.13.37 # saget12: always run make clean really different builds... 01.13.57 # /usr/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `iriver.o' is incompatible with i386 output 01.14.10 # * Strife89 spies "iriver". 01.14.19 # it's saying that in a clean directory 01.14.21 # new in fact 01.14.40 # when you ran "rockboxdev.sh", what did you install? 01.14.49 # Strife89: this is not a rockboxdev.sh issue 01.15.00 # This is a host compiler issue 01.15.00 # arm-elf 01.15.13 # arm-elf is not involved here 01.15.32 # Sorry, just wanted to check....... 01.15.53 # It's saying this when compiling the tools 01.15.55 # The system ld segfaults. That shouldn't happen at all 01.16.10 # Looks like the host gcc/binutils are somehow mismatched 01.16.20 # * Strife89 notices that now. 01.16.26 # wait, i ran make veryclean and now it's doing some stuff 01.16.51 # Doesn't that clean /rockbox/tools ? 01.17.23 # Well, since that's where this goes wrong... 01.17.45 # * Strife89 is still under the rank of "n00b". 01.17.51 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-82-196.vif.net) 01.17.58 # make veryclean, then make, now it looks like it's compiling 01.18.07 # we'll see in a few minutes 01.18.37 # Makes me wonder what went wrong in /tools . 01.18.40 # Paste failed, but this time properties still work 01.18.54 # i have compiled before under linux, just trying to get this machine set up 01.19.06 # gevaerts: What, you fixed the FS? 01.19.23 # Strife89: I reformatted everything to make sure I started from a perfectly clean FS 01.19.24 # gevaerts: The sd driver does retries, and the retry count is different for built-in flash and card 01.20.18 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.20.24 # fsck still likes the FS 01.20.34 # * Strife89 goes to take care of a load of clothes. 01.20.45 # * Strife89 dislikes laundry. 01.21.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.21.01 # amiconn: this could still be a file descriptor leak somewhere I think 01.21.47 # Perhaps 01.22.06 # The copy/move code might not close everything when it runs into an error 01.22.34 Part toffe82 01.22.39 # gevaerts: Have you tried stuff with Delete? 01.23.02 Quit saget12 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.23.08 # Mostly I'm just wondering..... 01.23.10 # Strife89: no. I first want to find out if it's only sd to internal, or of anything works 01.23.21 Join xxbatman94xx [0] (i=d1ad5e65@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22d727dbf21a231b) 01.24.00 # hey im having a problem with my ipod photo 01.24.52 # xxbatman94xx: Do tell, then. 01.25.05 # my database keep sayin it corrupted and has to rebuild 01.25.21 # and my theme keeps changin back to the cabbie v2 01.25.47 # usually every time i reset 01.26.01 # everytime you reset? 01.26.24 # Why do you reset? 01.26.45 # usually, well i shut it down and then power it back on 01.27.11 # xxbatman94xx: That's called "rebooting", not "reseting".......... 01.27.25 # xxbatman94xx: can you try checking the filesystem? 01.27.54 # * Strife89 resumes with the clothes. 01.27.57 # one second im building the database right now 01.32.05 # im sorry but what do you mean by filesystem 01.32.36 # chkdsk on windows, or fsck on linux 01.33.24 # oh windows 01.34.23 # OK. Then plug in the ipod, check which drive letter it gets, open a command prompt (Start->Run->"cmd"), and type "chkdsk /f :" 01.35.02 # * Strife89 need to brush up on Windows commands. 01.35.07 # *needs 01.36.18 # OK. This also fails when moving from internal to sd 01.37.06 # it says the syntax of the command is incorrect 01.37.40 # xxbatman94xx: what exactly did you type? 01.38.48 # "chkdsk /f " lemme try /e 01.39.05 # mope 01.39.10 # nope* 01.39.12 # means whatever drive letter your ipod has, like f: or whatever 01.39.15 # Not literally 01.39.17 # Don't actually type ".... 01.39.44 # oh sorry 01.39.48 # If your iPod shows up as "E:", type "chkdsk /f E:" (no quotes) 01.40.26 # * Strife89 has a bad habit of restating things..... 01.40.41 # the type of file system is NTFS 01.40.49 # cannot lock current drive 01.40.52 # on the ipod? 01.41.03 # What drive letter does the ipod get? 01.41.06 # No iPod should be using NTFS..... 01.41.14 # Try using "F:" 01.42.02 # FAT32 01.42.14 # That's probably it, then. 01.42.22 # Any other output? 01.42.49 # it says it found errors on the disk 01.42.55 # Bingo! 01.43.11 # its gonna convert the rockbox folder 01.43.33 Join webguest23 [0] (n=d8a4be29@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f4545b81394cf92b) 01.43.47 # "Convert the Rockbox folder"? 01.44.04 # to a file, sorry left that off 01.44.05 # I have a sansa e260 and I have a theme in rockbox but how do I chnage the icons? its not in the manual 01.44.31 # * Strife89 invites other people to help, he still has dishes to wash...... 01.44.36 # oohh i can do this one 01.44.44 # goto extras on the rockbox website 01.45.05 # then icons set gallery 01.45.20 # find one you lik and add it to your mp3 01.45.33 # erm extract 01.45.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets 01.46.00 # no... i have a icon on my theme how do i change on my sansa? 01.46.11 # xxbatman94xx: you may have to reinstall rockbox if it reports errors like that. 01.46.18 # then once its on their either goto browse themes and see if its there or find the .cfg file in the files 01.46.37 # webguest23: You want to edit individual icons? 01.46.40 # ^Try that and see if that works 01.46.44 # yes 01.46.57 # Oh 01.47.09 # im talknig to strife.. 01.47.15 # Be a little more specific next time :P 01.47.37 # webguest23: Well, the icon sets are just long bitmaps.... fire up Paint and mess with it. 01.47.58 # Make sure all the icons don't change in physical size. 01.48.45 # wait no i have a theme with a set of icons i dnt like and i was wondering how do you change icon in this theme? 01.48.45 # What are they, about 10x10 for 132x80 screens? 01.48.53 # Thanks everyone im bailing 01.48.58 Quit xxbatman94xx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.49.01 # One icon or all of them? 01.49.26 Quit BlakeJohnson861 ("Leaving.") 01.49.35 # Like xxbatman94xx said, you can go to the Icons Gallery and get different sets. 01.49.43 # all 01.49.46 # It looks like this bug only happens on cut/paste between internal and sd (either direction). copy/paste/delete hasn't caused it yet here, and neither has cut/paste within a drive 01.49.57 Join BlakeJohnson861 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-71-63-161-27.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 01.50.13 # gevaerts: Interesting indeed..... 01.50.34 # webguest23: Go check out some new icon sets, then. :) 01.50.40 # When I cut/paste between drives I get it in less than 7 tries 01.50.43 # 2 themes= 2 diffferent icons 01.51.07 # how do i put a different icon on another theme?? 01.51.42 # webguest23: Do you want to change ALL of the icons for a theme or just on of them? 01.51.43 # checking out icons does not answer my question 01.51.51 # all i said it twice 01.51.54 # webguest23: Or am I missing something? 01.52.04 # how do i put a different icon on another theme?? 01.52.30 # does rockbox allow you to change icons on a theme? 01.53.10 # Yes, you can change icon sets. 01.53.34 # You can make your own, edit one, or download a premade one. 01.53.59 # I have themes like Ulikeme v2 and Hardcore linux but the media player screen never shows 01.53.59 # Then you select an icon set within Rockbox. 01.54.09 # uh 01.54.12 # The WPS? 01.54.24 # ds 01.54.34 # Okay, NOW we're on another subject? 01.54.35 # hello> 01.54.36 # ? 01.54.38 Quit webguest23 ("CGI:IRC") 01.54.56 # What happened there?..... 01.55.02 # probably lag 01.55.22 # Anyone with an Ondio around? I'd like to see if this bug is sansa specific or multivolume specific 01.55.36 Join webguest90 [0] (n=d8a4be29@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d5fe40ff706f8bba) 01.55.44 # You have 13 DAPs and no Ondio? ;) 01.56.06 # webguest90: Are you the icon quetioner? :) 01.56.14 # Or someone else? 01.57.13 Quit webguest90 (Client Quit) 01.57.27 Join webguest26 [0] (n=d8a4be29@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-006347f576070aa4) 01.57.31 # I'm guessing the web client is having lag issues..... 01.57.34 # hello 01.57.36 # cgi-irc being difficult again I guess 01.57.45 # welcome back 01.58.00 # gevaerts: Happened to me quite a bit before I resorted to Pidgin. 01.58.24 # webguest26: Hey. 01.58.29 # how come in my sansa e260 the themes media player never shows up? 01.58.47 # THERE we go. :) 01.58.49 # my pc cnt run irc ad multitasking at same time :s 01.58.56 # * gevaerts doesn't understand that question 01.59.02 # Anyway, the theme is probably broken. 01.59.18 # gevaerts: I think he means the WPS isn't looking like it should. 01.59.21 # i click the song and the hardcore linux theme i wnted doesnt show 01.59.47 # What _does_ show, then? 02.00.10 # the play button the volume thing the battery life and the backround 02.00.39 # webguest26: as Strife89 said, that theme is most probably broken 02.00.49 # The Status Bar and the Background. Yep. It's broken. 02.01.08 # You will have to fix the theme yourself or wait for someone else to. 02.01.16 # damn... so i can never get the hardcore linux theme 02.01.26 # hmmm' 02.01.28 # No, not necessarily never. 02.01.51 # Someone (perhaps you) just has to change a few things in the theme. 02.02.11 # Well, perhaps several things..... 02.02.25 # idk what to change :s 02.02.48 # Look on the WPS thread in the forums, it explains a lot. 02.02.58 # Hang on.... 02.03.05 # Strife89: which sansa do you have again? c200 or e200? 02.03.16 # c200 02.03.20 # e260- e200 02.03.24 # c250 to be precise 02.03.36 Join setkeh [0] (n=setkeh@CPE-121-219-44-20.vic.bigpond.net.au) 02.03.42 # webguest26: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 02.03.48 # i have e200 02.04.10 # webguest26: Read the topic I just linked. 02.04.20 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 02.04.32 # webguest26: After that, you will have to fix the theme or convince someone else to do it. 02.04.49 # Strife89: FS#9409 02.05.41 # so i change it in the wps folder? 02.05.46 # gevaerts: Alright. I appreciate the work you've done. 02.06.09 # there's onle a hardcore linux foler with bmp files and the wps file i cnt open 02.06.19 # webguest26: There's a file with the .wps extension in the /wps folder. That's what needs to be fixed. 02.06.49 # It's not "hardcore Linux", Linux doesn't know what a .wps file is supposed to be. 02.06.55 # Just open it in Notepad. 02.07.20 # The .wps file, I mean. 02.07.58 # k i have it opened but the tags and stuff is confusing :s 02.08.13 # i cnt tell what is wrong 02.08.25 # %X|BG.bmp|0|0 %P|progbar.bmp| %xl|a|bat1.bmp|9|182 %xl|b|bat2.bmp|9|182 %xl|c|bat3.bmp|9|182 %xl|d|bat4.bmp|9|182 %xl|f|hold.bmp|0|0 %xl|g|ff.bmp|106|167 %xl|i|pause.bmp|76|167 %xl|j|play.bmp|74|165 %xl|l|rw.bmp|48|166 %xl|n|sleep.bmp|129|2 %xl|o|vol0.bmp|135|170 %xl|p|vol1.bmp|135|170 %xl|q|vol2.bmp|135|170 %xl|r|vol3.bmp|135|170 %xl|s|vol4.bmp|135|170 %xl|t|vol5.bmp|135|170 %xl|u|vol6.bmp|135|170 %xl|v|v 02.09.08 # This explains all the WPS tags. 02.09.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 02.09.36 # * Strife89 goes to do the dishes. 02.11.42 # hmmm can I copy all the characters from a working wps(different theme) and put in in the broken wps file and save it? 02.13.03 # webguest26, can you use pastebin and so we can see the code 02.13.21 # pastebin what is that? 02.13.43 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.10 # http://pastebin.com/ 02.14.24 # * Strife89 REALLY goes to do the dishes now. 02.14.46 # idk how to use 02.15.10 # you use it for large amount of code so people can see things a bit easier 02.15.31 # k pasted the code in the box 02.15.45 # what do i click? 02.16.06 # send 02.16.26 # i have to put name or syntax lighting? 02.16.53 # do nto worry about that 02.16.59 # k 02.16.59 # not* 02.17.25 # sending (slow internet) 02.17.31 Part pixelma 02.17.48 # sent* 02.17.59 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.18.04 # paste the url here 02.18.21 # http://pastebin.com/m397c0bea 02.19.16 # you need to look at the %pb 02.19.35 # that is the first thing i saw 02.19.46 # # # %pb|height|13|163|84| ? 02.20.47 # i dnt know wnything about wps 02.21.13 # yea.. that is not how that bar needs coded 02.21.24 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.21.27 # oh 02.21.47 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 02.22.08 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 02.22.21 # you know how to code it? 02.22.27 # i dnt :( 02.24.30 # since i do not know how it should look but here is how you code the themes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 02.25.18 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.26.13 Quit faemir (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.26.31 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 02.27.53 # uh i have a link to the hardcore linux theme 02.27.57 # http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/data/176x220x16/H4rdc0r3_Linux.zip 02.28.30 # i dnt know how to code :s 02.29.40 # that is why these two pages are for: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 02.31.29 # what do I need to change in linux 02.33.00 # no.. you can use notepad++ or any text editor 02.34.26 # im 14 this stuff is hard 02.34.48 # i alrdy hav it opened in notepad 02.37.54 # have you read those links? 02.38.04 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 02.38.46 # yeah but it's gonna take me weeks to understand that 02.39.46 # and i cnt find where it says how to put it all together 02.40.44 # Try looking at the Cabbie .wps file. 02.41.12 # Associate the code with what you know Cabbie does and looks like. 02.42.01 # * Strife89 is through with the dishes but was asked to vacuum the house. 02.42.43 # uhhhh dnt know cabbie can you do it for me :s 02.45.50 # Heh, not really........ :( 02.46.10 # why not you're a exper 02.46.34 # Actually, I'm not. ^^; 02.46.54 # you sounded like you know what to do :s 02.47.03 # I'm just a computer enthusiast who tries to help. 02.47.13 # Emphasis on "tries". 02.47.28 # webguest26, we do not know what you want it to look like and i might not have the player 02.47.52 # That is why you'll likely have to do the work yourself. 02.48.36 # hmm 02.49.01 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ it's called H4rdc0r3 Linux 02.49.13 # For the optional stuff, that's usually how it works here. I'm sorry, but I for one have little idea on how exactly to fix the WPS. I don't own the target, and at the moment, I don't have much time....... 02.49.21 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.49.34 # You can do it if you want the theme to work badly enough. :) 02.50.00 # i waste my time learning how to use my adobe AE cs3 :s 02.50.11 # * Strife89 chastises himself for phrasing that last sentence badly. 02.50.45 # * Strife89 tries to pry himself from the computer and get his last chore done. 02.52.19 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.52.46 # webguest26, the code in those themes on that site is old.. you might have to look on the wiki still 02.54.31 # placing a wps from a different theme is not gonna work 02.55.03 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 02.58.41 # yea because different themes use different things in the coding 03.01.49 # ill continue tomorrow 03.04.25 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.06.56 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.11.43 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 03.12.45 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.13.25 Join mmadia [0] (n=chatzill@pool-138-89-96-141.mad.east.verizon.net) 03.14.56 # hi all 03.16.19 # * Strife89 has just finished vacuuming and prepares to hit the shower. 03.16.36 # * Strife89 will resume participation afterwards. :) 03.17.21 # * Strife89 quickly says hi to mmadia. :) 03.17.56 # * mmadia is a proud owner of an SanDisk e280 and user of Rockbox : D 03.18.13 # * Strife89 uses a Rockboxed c250. :D 03.18.43 # * Strife89 pries himself from the computer again, this time not for chores. 03.21.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.24.53 # For updating theme files, are there any examples of changing %m lines to the newer syntax? This thread only details re-writing %P --> %pb http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 03.25.20 Quit rshakin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.26.12 Join jeffdameth1 [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-238-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 03.35.27 Join webguest97 [0] (n=48d0b9df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4f189aaaf4ac325c) 03.35.31 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.32 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-248-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.42 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-248-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.21 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.36.27 Quit webguest97 (Client Quit) 03.36.59 # At long last, I have finished my chores and taken my shower! 03.38.07 # mmadia: I'm not very knowledgeable in the WPS syntax department....... 03.39.51 # gevaerts, toffe82, mcuelenare: it looks like the chinese "brush" translation is "flash" or similar. 03.40.04 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-140-91-24.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 03.40.37 # same here ;) i've fixed the %P --> %pb issue and font names for a handful of themes, but re-writing %m escapes me. 03.40.41 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.43.02 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 03.59.46 # It's odd how Sigmatel had such high hopes for the STMP3600 but hardly anyone used it. Especially considering the capabilities. Bad timing, maybe. Lots of new, possibly useless, info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx. 04.01.47 Join vcardenas [0] (n=be185afe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f2754e1a21ed065b) 04.07.13 Quit vcardenas ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.15.26 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@125.33.196.233) 04.17.42 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 04.21.28 Quit cornflake () 04.21.48 Quit Strife89 ("Leaving") 04.21.51 # light on the main unit back on. Device now works unplugged 04.22.48 # "I00 at 40102000" 04.23.13 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p579EC6DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.23.40 # The device does not work, but the screen and the ligh come on 04.24.33 # Hold switch is working again 04.24.49 # "I00 at 40102014" 04.25.48 # "I00 at 440C2008" 04.26.45 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-70-240-228-129.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.26.56 # The hard drive is clicking, that is a good sign 04.28.20 # "IBF at 40102700" 04.28.56 # "I00 at 440C2000" 04.29.33 # "IBF at 40102700" 04.30.09 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.26 # "IBF at 40102000" 04.33.49 # correction "I00 at 40102000" 04.34.16 Quit XavierGr () 04.35.14 # Call it a huntch, but I think the battery is kaput 04.56.47 Join _code_monkey_1 [0] (n=jason@S010600179a270dc9.vs.shawcable.net) 04.59.00 Part _code_monkey_1 05.00.58 Quit mmadia (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.15.15 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 05.21.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.28.07 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 05.42.36 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 05.44.06 Quit Zarggg (Nick collision from services.) 05.44.12 Nick Zarggg_ is now known as Zarggg (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 05.53.53 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.17.59 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83a14b87843511ef) 06.26.35 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 06.28.47 Quit Darksair ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 06.33.29 Join kronflux [0] (n=kronflux@hlfxns0161w-142177028006.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net) 06.34.15 Quit kronflux (Client Quit) 06.35.21 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 06.46.19 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 06.52.31 Join Sargun [0] (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) 06.52.32 # Heya 06.52.43 # Anyone have RockBox on an sandisk E2XX? 06.53.33 Quit Zarggg () 06.57.27 # Sargun, yes, what is your question 06.57.48 Join mackes [0] (n=root@cpe-76-180-145-138.buffalo.res.rr.com) 06.59.19 # just wondering how you like it 06.59.53 # i think it good.. it is better then the OF was 07.00.02 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 07.02.06 # How many rockbox developers are there 07.03.19 # i am not 100% on that number of that.. i think there is lots in my opinion 07.05.35 Quit mackes ("Ex-Chat") 07.05.52 # I'm thinking of giving my Girlfriend 07.05.57 # a Sansa E280 07.05.58 # with RB 07.06.04 # for her birthday 07.06.05 # tomorrow 07.07.06 # hope it is a v1 and not a v2 07.08.44 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 07.10.33 # oh, ok, that was easy 07.21.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.34.52 # how do I mount this thing after reboot 07.38.39 # you need to boot into the OF like the manual says 07.39.27 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 07.43.10 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 07.44.54 # ah 07.45.12 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.54.45 # "I00 at 40102000" 07.58.31 Quit denes_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.58.45 Join denes_ [0] (n=denes@pool-2374.adsl.interware.hu) 08.04.46 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@125.33.196.233) 08.15.32 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.24.06 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.106.204) 08.26.28 Part toffe82 08.31.03 # Hi! is there a rockbox announce mailing list? or which one in http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ is the closest? I'd like to receive an email when rockbox 3 and future versions are released. 08.37.37 Quit MrHacks ("BarackObama.com") 08.40.04 Part vitja ("Ex-Chat") 08.57.00 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD315.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.59.02 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 09.06.41 Quit pixelma2 ("-") 09.06.53 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.12.50 Quit Darksair ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 09.15.47 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.16.36 # ajonat: did you read this post? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2008-09/0059.shtml 09.19.57 # markun, great! only 3 days :) i couldn't wait though.. i've just installed today build :) 09.20.06 Quit DataGhost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.21.05 # ajonat: the 3.0 will be nothing special. Just a build from a few weeks ago with all the bug fixes we could find. 09.21.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.21.57 # if you're happy with the daily builds I would stick to that. The 3.0 is mainly because people new to rockbox want to try out something they know is stable. 09.22.11 # more or less anyway :) 09.30.52 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 09.34.53 Quit J-23 (Connection reset by peer) 09.36.01 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 09.37.57 Join sylfr [0] (n=sylvain@ABordeaux-257-1-146-75.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.38.08 # Hi 09.38.16 # I have a big problem with rockbox 09.39.03 # I can't power on my MP3 player anymore 09.39.41 # sylfr, what player 09.40.10 # It's a 5G iPod, 30 gigas 09.40.47 # I installed rockbox yesterday, then I put music and "Escape Pod Plus" theme on. 09.41.49 # And today, first I saw I only had the first track of each folder (and not all the files it must contain), and I switch the theme from the original to "Escape iPod Plus" 09.42.00 # Then I powered off my iPod 09.42.01 # is it charged up? 09.42.13 # And when I want to power it on, It doesn't work 09.42.27 # yes it is, and when I plug it to PC, nothing happens 09.42.36 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 09.42.47 # Try resetting it (holding MENU+SELECT together for up to 30 seconds) 09.43.37 # linuxstb: yes, it seems to work, thanks ! 09.44.55 Part J-23 09.45.11 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 09.45.16 # But I have another problem 09.48.20 # sylfr: what's the problem? 09.49.45 # I have CD which tracks are from various artists (compilations) 09.50.27 # And I would like rockbox to put the tracks on a folder "various artists/an album", but it doesn't 09.51.11 # markun, thank you for your explanation! (I was playing doom, that's why i answer so late :P) 09.51.11 # it makes a folder for each artist who performed on the album, and then puts the name of the album in, and only one track is in this folder 09.51.22 # sylfr: I assume you're using the database method of browsing files? 09.51.27 # Yes 09.51.43 # But maybe it will be solved solving this problem : "And today, first I saw I only had the first track of each folder (and not all the files it must contain)" 09.52.08 # Oh : The problem is the same, even if I selected "Artist"é or "Album artist" 09.53.40 # You need to make sure the "Album artist" tags are set correctly in your files. 09.56.00 # But its not the same that "artist" ? 09.56.38 # No, in the case of that album, "album artist" would be something like "Various artists" (the same for all tracks), and "artist" would be the artist of a particular track. 09.58.42 # OK. I use amarok with Linux, im gonna check it 10.04.07 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@125.33.196.233) 10.04.19 Join fragilematter [0] (n=barbu_do@92.81.232.181) 10.04.33 # markun: (since I seem to remember you working on it) is the encoding setting also stored in the text viewer's bookmark with the text? 10.05.05 # pixelma: I'm not really sure 10.05.37 # I'll check the code 10.06.46 # pixelma: no, it isn't 10.06.54 # but it would be a good idea 10.07.21 # but it would also break the current bookmarks 10.08.13 # it's just what came to mind when reworking the text viewer's paragraph in the manual... it has some very outdated info 10.08.56 # and I still have a text file here which crashes the viewer 10.08.57 # e.g. bookmarks aren't described at all and it says that the viewer would not save its settings 10.09.04 # markun: What's the format of a the bookmark file? Couldn't it be added as an optional field? 10.11.25 # linuxstb: first the number bookmarks, then for each one a struct with some fields are written 10.11.43 # Hmm, I see what you mean then... 10.11.49 # So a binary file? 10.11.54 # yes 10.11.58 # Any spare bits? 10.12.20 Join homielowe_ [0] (n=homielow@74.85.13.61) 10.12.22 # could someone also explain to me in short what the "reflow" option in the "line mode" setting does? 10.13.17 # pixelma: I don't know myself 10.13.52 # linuxstb: no. Maybe we should rethink the format to avoid problems like this. 10.14.32 # check for a special marker at the end of each entry. If it doesn't match, give up on the file. 10.16.40 # * amiconn found the Jedec standard describing MMC up to v4.3 :) 10.19.27 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.22.31 Quit Darksair ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 10.30.17 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@125.33.196.233) 10.32.45 # MMC4.3 adds an interesting extension (vs. 4.2) that gives a hint on what dap manufacturers might utilize to hide firmware 10.33.37 # It defines a special boot partition that is only accessible when the card is initialized in a special way. 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Can you show us what you've got so far? 11.03.30 Quit Siku () 11.06.05 # denes_: these are the gisters we set: http://130.89.160.166/temp/m6sl-0x154-lcd-init.txt and http://130.89.160.166/temp/m6sl-clock.txt 11.07.05 # and gevaerts made the framebuffer point to our code, so we hoped to see some garbage on the screen 11.12.56 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d207-81-80-78.bchsia.telus.net) 11.13.44 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 11.14.59 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B46636.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.17.11 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@atheme/member/desowin) 11.21.06 Join culture [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.21.08 Quit ajonat () 11.21.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.22.59 # are cans of traces on the pcb useful at all? 11.23.02 # scans* 11.25.24 # Bagder: Could you add the nano 4th gen as one of the players specifically mentioned as not supported on the front page? 11.26.40 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 11.27.44 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.29.08 Quit homielowe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.29.30 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 11.39.45 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 11.45.11 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.54.18 Quit Darksair ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 11.57.27 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 11.58.20 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 12.03.06 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 12.03.33 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 12.05.47 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 12.12.17 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 12.12.37 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 12.15.16 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.15.16 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 12.22.11 # hi markun! 12.26.37 # markun: the m3 lcd is probably quite different from m6sl's - because it is connected to the lcd interface (at 0x3c100000) 12.27.19 # denes_: yes, probably 12.27.46 # can I see your code anyway? 12.27.55 # and is any of it ready for commit you think? 12.28.00 # markun: so you get picture on the m3 by writing commands to lcd_wcmd and data to lcd_wdata 12.28.26 # denes_: yes, I saw those registeres were only used in the M3 firmware 12.29.12 # markun: now the code is right now on my netbook... but I will copy it in the near future 12.29.13 # gevaerts reported having problems with running code of more than around 25K in DFU mode. Not sure what goes wrong there. 12.29.20 # ok, great 12.29.48 # markun: btw what is the pll_cnt used for? i don't set it when changing clocks, should I? 12.30.04 # markun: pll lock count 12.30.05 # I don't know. Just copied what they did. 12.30.17 # markun: i see 12.30.46 # we just wanted to get it working as soon as possible. Debugging without a screen isn't really fast :) 12.31.09 # markun: so in the m6sl firmware, there is no access to 0x3c100000? 12.31.18 # markun: 0x3c1000XX? 12.31.23 # let me check 12.32.04 # nothing found 12.32.20 # markun: bad luck :( 12.32.36 # markun: btw my lcd code is not ready for commit I think 12.33.21 # what do you think you will work on after the LCD? 12.33.35 # NAND driver perhaps? 12.33.56 # markun: I don't know rockbox at all, so I want to familiarize myself with it 12.34.32 # markun: and fix anything that's need for rockbox to boot with only the lcd 12.34.38 # btw, it would be nice if we could get our DFU tool to send 2 files. Since the 2nd is loaded to SDRAM, we could make the first file just jump to the start of SDRAM and then load rockbox as the second file. 12.34.55 # Rockbox will be too big to fit in the 128K of SRAM 12.35.43 # markun: well. than we should write it to flash 12.35.50 Join liiwi [0] (i=liiwi@idle.fi) 12.35.54 # denes_: now that you can display stuff, you could also check some simple thing. Like what is connected to which ADC channel 12.35.56 # if it doesn't fit in iram 12.36.07 # markun: i will 12.36.07 # or SDRAM 12.36.52 # I don't mind flashing if there is no other way, but running directly through DFU mode makes debugging a lot faster 12.37.07 # well, not *that* much now I think about it 12.37.47 # markun: yes, but the other problem with this dfu, is that apparently on the m3 the code loaded to 22020000 - now I don't now what happens to the interrupt vectors at the beginning of the .dfu file then. 12.37.58 # ah, true 12.39.01 # good afternoon 12.39.07 # hi liiwi 12.39.58 # markun: the way I plan to write the stuff to flash is to use the original bootloader (rar unpacker) and concatenate a rar file to it. this way I can spare setting up the environment done by the bootloader (like ram timing etc.) and conentrate on rockbox. 12.40.37 # denes_: I believe it only works with file compressed with an older version of RAR 12.40.45 # markun: I have that rar-2.80 12.40.51 # ok 12.41.39 # markun: and I have tried this with changing a few bytes in the OF 12.42.09 Join DataGhost [0] (n=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 12.42.54 # so the M3 has this 1MB ROM to store the firmware in? (like the M6TP and M6SP) 12.42.55 # JdGordon: Scans of PCB traces probably aren't that useful, because those modern PCBs ofetn have more than 2 layers, and you cannot scan the inter layers, obviously 12.43.25 # In fact you cannot even scan the outer layers properly without stripping all the parts 12.44.46 # markun: right (I forgot the m6sl doesn't have it) 12.45.25 # denes_: for the m6sl we can just put the firmware uncompressed after the bootloader 12.49.05 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@88-106-209-242.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.56.46 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 13.04.18 # denes_: what did you have to do to get the LCD initialized? SPI sequence, 0x392000?? registers, clocks and then write to lcd_wcmd and lcd_wdata? 13.07.02 # markun: I set the clock (not sure it's needed), the gpio ports and send stuff to 3c1000XX 13.08.52 # ah, you didn't have to initialize over SPI? is lcd_wcmd used for that? 13.09.13 Join dany_21a [0] (n=dan@84-119-5-54.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 13.09.57 # what about setting 0x3CF000F0 to 2? 13.13.22 # markun: no spi, yes lcd_wcmd is used for that 13.14.33 # markun: 3cf000f0 has to be set to 2 13.15.55 # amiconn: yeah thats what i figured 13.21.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.23.42 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B46636.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.33.00 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.33.45 # denes_: I'll leave now for the rest of the weekend. Hopefully we can make some progress next week. 13.43.13 # markun: ok, best regards 13.46.51 # bluebrother: got a question regarding the \screenshot macro. Currently the images are included when named correctly after the display specifications and target name (optionally) if an exception is needed for one. These exceptions are currently used for same sized screenshots but one target has an RTC and one not (Ondios vs. Recorders and H100 (and I believe 1st and 2nd gen Ipods) vs. M5 and other 'big' greyscale Ipods)... 13.46.53 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.48.10 # the target name way leads to quite some duplication of screenshots. Could this be done better somehow, distinguishing RTC and non-RTC screenshots? 13.50.16 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 13.52.19 # well, we could extend the screenshot macro to look after -rtc.png, then .png and afterwards the player specific -.png 13.52.23 Quit culture ("Ex-Chat") 13.53.49 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181087069.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.53.58 # servus 13.54.51 # gevaerts: Am I right in thinking that the TCC nand interface uses the ONFI specs? 13.55.34 # bluebrother: this player one would need to come first I think, otherwise it's never reached but this is basically what I wished 13.56.44 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 13.58.13 # ok, should work similarly -- and making the player specific is a bad idea anyway. Just realized it too late ;-) 13.59.15 # Why does the player need a specific macro? 13.59.22 # Or name, rather? 13.59.32 # It does have a very distinct resolution... 13.59.35 # player meaning dap, not archos player 14.02.57 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A54DF.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.03.33 # as an example, the bounce screenshot is different because it shows a clock in the background, currently there are three Archos screenshots (one for the recorder, one for OndioSP and OndioFM each because of the target name convention) and the 160x128x2 only exist once without the clock and for the M5 with clock and so is wrong for the greyscale Ipods... 14.06.09 # is the RTC the only thing we need to consider? In that case it shouldn't be too hard. 14.07.23 # in the menus there can also be differences for targets with or without radio and recording 14.07.57 Join fragilematter [0] (n=barbu_do@92.81.232.181) 14.08.12 # not sure how accurate that's done currently 14.08.56 # hmm. Not sure how hard it would be to also take other features into account 14.09.43 # could parsing of the features.txt also help there? 14.10.05 # maybe. 14.11.32 # ok, I guess it's not urgent at the moment but would be nice 14.12.52 # how does rockbox handle software controlled charging? 14.14.02 # bluebrother: another thing I noticed in the button tables: there are quite a few ways to describe "direction keys" (just as that, listing all of them seperated by / and seperated by , maybe more). Also sometimes the actions you can do are described in third person sometimes not... 14.17.28 # can someone please test FS#9408? I'd like to commit it but really would like another person to test it 14.18.35 # bluebrother: the LatexGuidelines wiki page isn't too specific on this but it would be nicer to have one style... maybe I should start a thread in the ml or something so we could agree on one way? 14.18.51 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE20281.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.18.52 # pixelma: sounds reasonable 14.20.39 # I'll try to think about features.txt for screenshots later. Need to go buying some food now ... 14.20.42 # and then we need that *someone* to change them to match the style 14.22.35 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 14.22.41 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 14.27.13 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@e212-246-66-148.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.30.53 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@drl150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.31.10 # amiconn: I don't know 14.31.46 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.33.20 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 14.34.17 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE20281.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.41.24 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.43.02 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 14.43.33 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.49.41 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB063C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.13.52 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-241-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.21.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.21.28 Quit J-23 (Remote closed the connection) 15.22.08 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 15.22.56 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 15.26.34 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 15.34.12 Join vcardenas [0] (n=be1b05ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9322e87892d9ac30) 15.36.02 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 15.38.05 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.39.54 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.40 Join tobi-lu [0] (i=N4IgMU1A@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.42.40 Quit jeffdameth1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.26 Join jeffdameth1 [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-091-096-034-221.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.44.04 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.10 Join vitja [0] (n=vitja@79.120.98.174) 15.49.16 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181087069.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.01.01 Quit goffa (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.03.10 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 16.10.38 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-84-196.vif.net) 16.11.19 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-41cfa3b971e4cd29) 16.16.15 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 16.16.15 Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.16.17 Quit bluebrother ("Lost terminal") 16.17.21 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f1ecd662dcda55f3) 16.22.39 Quit w1ll14m (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.26.35 Join w1ll14m [0] (n=b21wdsSS@84-104-81-129.cable.quicknet.nl) 16.29.25 # Hey linux masters. I need some help trying to mount the STMP3600 recovery partition. lsusb -v sees it fine and returns good info, but trying to mount it for a fdisk check is telling me I need to specify the filesystem type, which I don't know. dmesg is giving me this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1206630. 16.32.30 # isn't stmp3600 also used in creative zen nano plus (aka MuVo something) 16.32.32 # ? 16.33.28 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 16.33.31 # fragilematter: I think it's the 3500 in those. 16.33.38 Join m0f0x_ [0] (n=m0f0x@189-47-24-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) 16.33.47 # if you would ask me, i think this might look like a damaged drive ? 16.34.55 # MarcGuay: fdisk does not need to have the drive mounted (it actually is _no_ good idea to mount and fdisk a drive) 16.35.17 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 16.35.24 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.35.42 # afaik the 3500 didn't expose a recovery partition, rather it used a special driver in windows - maybe it's the same for the 3600 series 16.36.00 # what does fdisk -l /dev/sda say ? 16.36.16 # w1ll14m: Nothing. It thinks for a second but returns nil. 16.36.50 # fragilematter: It is the same. I figured there might be something to glean from it. It presents _something_, but I suppose it's not a drive. 16.37.51 # hmm 16.38.31 # i think this is strange: 16.38.31 # I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 16.39.17 # w1ll14m: You know, don't worry about it, I think I'm heading down a pointless path. The Windows recovery driver is probably where the secrets are at. 16.39.28 # could you do: dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/file count=1 bs=512 16.39.39 # true 16.43.40 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 16.44.30 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.49.23 # amiconn: the TCC devices don't use the ONFI spec, but there are similarities in the command set (eg. different NAND manufacturers usually use the same command ids for read/write page, etc). There's certainly no parameter page or block addressing extension, that's for sure. 16.53.28 # fragilematter: hey, how's v2 hacking? 16.54.05 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 16.54.13 # JdGordon: Yo, the freeze is over, time to talk about pitchscreen vp again :) 16.54.21 # kugel: I'm more of a testes than a hacker, but we're getting there... slowly 16.54.28 # tester* 17.03.43 Join lasser [0] (n=f@A9024.a.pppool.de) 17.05.41 Join funman [0] (n=fun@82-171-216-191.ip.telfort.nl) 17.11.41 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 17.14.01 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.14.07 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 17.15.12 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-71-132-87-88.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) 17.15.23 # funman, fragilematter: great news. my fuze arrived 17.15.52 # another one or the one you broke? ;)) 17.19.04 # jhmikes, you here ? 17.19.46 # fragilematter: shh, I didn't brick it! 17.19.59 # but, another one 17.20.01 # you broke the volume weel iirc 17.20.06 # :D 17.20.13 # that's a secret though 17.20.32 # what's fuze anyway ? 17.20.45 # sansa fuze 17.21.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.21.25 # anyways, if you stick around for a while (anywhere from nil to very long, depending on how funman and atomikpunk synchronize), we should gather around here and test some stuff or exchange info 17.21.26 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 17.22.29 # kugel: not this week... way too much uni work to do 17.22.34 # or next week :p 17.22.39 # week after that maybe 17.22.46 Part tobi-lu 17.23.12 # JdGordon: no hurry, it feels fine rotting on the tracker 17.23.19 # :) 17.24.53 # heh, so i got my acer aspire one. the first thing i did: 17.25.07 # installed gentoo, and the tools for compiling rockbox.... 17.25.39 # i hope he can compile fast :) 17.26.24 # kugel: graet 17.26.26 # great* 17.26.31 # but I have no new test now 17.27.09 # except maybe checking the gpio mapping to see if you can find some buttons 17.27.14 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 17.27.35 # * kugel doesn't feel like just bricking it again :) give me a week or so 17.27.50 # no need to open the device for these tests 17.27.56 # and they have been tested already 17.28.06 # so no bricking 17.28.27 # funman: i did recently some checks to find some buttons... but was unable to find anything... could you check my code, to see if i missed something? 17.28.29 # Yes I thought so, but still 17.28.29 # funman: but we can only assume that the leds are on the same gpio 17.28.34 # dany_21a: sure 17.28.47 # kugel: it's your choice ;) 17.28.48 # dany_21a: on e200? 17.29.14 # fragilematter: yes 17.29.14 Quit setkeh ("Leaving") 17.29.22 # http://paste.ubuntu.com/48601/ 17.29.31 # funman: finding the buttons doesn't help us anyway, does it? 17.29.42 # great, that means my gpio tests can be double-checked :) 17.29.47 # i mean, until I test other code where I would need to use the buttons 17.30.04 # wanted to store the contend from one GPIO-Register, than blink led forever until content of the register changes - than go to a infinit loop 17.30.18 # kugel: it helps to determine if you're going to load test code or the OF depending on button states 17.30.30 # kugel: it helps the fuze owners 17.30.58 # that too :D 17.30.59 # but the led never stoped blinking - even if i checked the GPIOD - which should change, bec. the led is on that port 17.30.59 # dany_21a: there's nothing in [GPIOD_BASE] 17.31.20 # you need to read at offset 0x3fc to have all the pins 17.31.39 # logical or between all the offsets for each pin 17.32.15 # and you should give proper names to your loops ;) 17.32.18 # funman: GPIOD_REG=GPIOD_BASE 17.32.38 # just extended the blinking led from atmoicpunk from the thread :) 17.32.39 # yes but there's nothing at the base 17.32.51 # pin0 is at offset 4, pin7 at offset 0x200, direction at offset 0x400 17.32.51 Quit parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 17.32.53 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 17.33.31 # oh... i bthought that pin-based access is only a addition to the full-byte access 17.33.32 # hmm 17.33.47 # no you're right it looks like you have the full byte at 0 17.34.45 # (page 50 in the AS5325.pdf) 17.35.19 # gpiod shouldn't change 17.35.27 # * liiwi ponders getting another e280 17.35.39 # well if you set it before, yes it should .. 17.35.54 # was testing for all GPIO?... so to find the port where some buttons attached 17.36.39 # well you make D7 output 17.36.43 # but don't specify D6:0 17.36.55 # they 'should' be 0 at reset 17.37.01 # but maybe the internal bootloader changed it 17.37.22 # you can use 0x80 for the initial value of r3 also 17.37.25 # only byte 7 17.37.32 # bit* 7 17.37.49 # the should changes, if a button is directly attached to it 17.38.42 # we only found buttons on A & B atm 17.38.53 # D is used for the led, lcd, and sd 17.39.19 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 17.40.09 # yeah... i let that binary run for every GPIO[A-D] to find some buttons 17.40.13 # have you seen the 'byte_show' procedure i use ? 17.40.15 # but it never reacted on a press 17.40.47 # 17:37 < dany_21a> the should changes, if a button is directly attached to it 17.41.04 # I meant you didn't explicitely specify that you want to use them as input 17.41.15 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 17.41.15 # sry... "they should change" 17.41.35 # I had translated :P 17.41.48 # GPIOx_DIR=0 (=input) on reset 17.42.08 # ok but some code may be run between reset, and our code 17.42.21 # funman, dany_21a, fragilematter: is there a central place for all your test code? It's kinda confusing browsing through the whole thread to find several versions of test.S etc 17.42.24 # okay.. good point - will try that 17.42.35 # and if it's 0 no need to read from it, just write #0x80 17.42.50 # kugel: my tests/ directory .. 17.44.10 # funman: can we have a svn or something, that we can checkout into the rockbox source? 17.44.11 # write #0x80 to whom? and why no need to read from it? (i read from the GPIOx_REG, but meant GPIOx_DIR=0 on reset) 17.44.24 # write #0x80 to GPIOx_DIR 17.44.46 # AND to GPIOD_REG (to set bit 7) 17.45.06 # to GPIOD_DIR* not GPIOx_DIR 17.45.20 # sorry if it's confusing you 17.47.19 # no... i guess im confusing you 17.48.00 # dont concentrate on GPIOD ... i want to check all GPIO's (therefore i wrote the 'x') - GPIOD was just the state of the code, as i pasted it 17.48.24 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s080a.studby.ntnu.no) 17.48.26 # and if you say buttons are ond GPIOA/B than my code should reacht on presses if i monitor for them... 17.48.33 # but i does not 17.48.54 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dtb163.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 17.49.41 # are you sure your code is not buggy ? did you try to 'simulate' a key press after reading from gpio_data register ? 17.49.55 # with orr for example 17.51.39 # on what device did you (or whoever) find other buttons? 17.51.45 # fragilematter: do you see references to 0x2164c in your firmware ? 17.51.50 # clip 17.52.02 # and fragilematter found some on e200 (e280?) 17.52.07 # I wanted to ask you yesterday about that 17.52.11 # e250 17.52.23 # it was near the 3rd occurance 17.52.43 Join jeffe [0] (n=639c58e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b25f4b000a5f106d) 17.52.52 # the 5th if you count the 2 in the header 17.53.06 # what was there? 17.53.13 # 0x2164c 17.53.16 # :) 17.53.16 # let me check again 17.53.25 # you should see ~20 references to this offset 17.53.46 # [0x2164c] and [0x2164c+0xec] contain the base nand or sd register 17.53.57 # you'll often see it references by 17.53.59 # funman: with ORR R5,R5,#0x40 it imeadiatly goes into the "button found" state 17.54.09 # [0x2164c+ r0 * 0xec] where r0 is #0 or #1 17.54.19 # dany_21a: ok . 17.54.40 # dany_21a: where do you initialise direction register ? 17.54.56 # I see initialisation for A3, does this button work at least ? 17.56.26 # how should 0x2164c look in the dissasembly? 17.56.31 # nothing 17.56.36 # it's on the stack 17.56.44 # read/written at runtime only 17.56.55 # mhm 17.57.01 # it's some place in RAM 17.57.09 # RAM goes from 0x0 to 0x60000 17.57.19 # (this is from atmicpunk... afaiak that is for the clip or so) 17.57.20 # hum no 17.57.22 # 0x50000 max 17.57.39 # dany_21a: I don't remember what A3 is for the e200 .. fragilematter might know 17.57.58 # it's usb_detect 17.58.07 # ah trye 17.58.08 # true* 17.58.13 # fragilematter on e200? 17.58.15 # you didn't find any other button, did you ? 17.58.19 # power 17.58.35 # A7 ? 17.58.36 # on something like b4 iirc - it's on the forum 17.59.15 # yep, b4 17.59.38 # dany_21a: did you try powering the e200 through usb, opposed to power button ? 17.59.45 Quit jeffe ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.00.07 # other buttons may be on 'ABS'(?) 18.00.36 # ADC.. 18.00.43 # abs is for cars :P 18.00.48 # :)) 18.01.00 # and my sister's bike - she has antilock brakes 18.01.12 # i currently have supplyed it via solderd 5V to the "5V"-point - i guess so it thinks it is USB powerd all the time 18.01.51 # dany_21a: usb powered ok, but is it logically plugged to the usb controller of your pc ? 18.01.54 # dany_21a: can't tell, but the sansa can detect if it was powered up by button or by plugging it into an usb port 18.02.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.02.21 # i think there is some kind of pull-up which has to be enabled to sens keypresses... bec. i measured different voltages accross the buttons - depending on the state of the device (in OF... i mean, while booting or while in powersave) 18.02.28 # funman: a3 didn't detect a logical connection, only 5v to the usb cable 18.02.49 # oh ok 18.03.15 # dany_21a: i think we have to sense voltage with ADC 18.05.11 # but I don't know how this works at all, I think there is several voltages to test .. 18.05.35 # and in the doc they use ADC especially for audio 18.06.01 Quit gregzx (Success) 18.06.47 # does anybody of you, who is more into OF-disasm, where we could place the "blinking-led"-code so that it get called by the OF but after the device is initialized? 18.07.06 # I think you are playing something dangerous 18.07.16 # why do you want to call it after the device is initialized ? 18.08.05 Part FugitivePrisoner 18.08.23 # there is a general purpose adc 18.08.53 # but it checks battery, mic, usb, charger, rtc ... 18.09.18 # if there is some kind of pull-up or powermanagment which activates the keypad, than it would be in the correct state 18.09.35 # (if the buttons are wired directly to a GPIO) 18.10.14 # ah I see 18.10.30 # as far as i can judge, all buttons (except the power) are connected on one side to DGND 18.10.34 # I tried to modify a branch after of init 18.10.38 # so matrix scanning is unlikely 18.10.53 # but it sets the memory where our code lives to 0, and I bricked my 1st clip that way 18.11.51 # it was in the very first of stage, so i'm not even sure the buttons would be in the correct state 18.12.12 # clip yes... but not the e200... can easily unbrick it with direct flash-access 18.12.19 # better disassemble the of and check references to the gpio registers 18.12.33 # oh right 18.12.40 # well then any place would fit ;) 18.13.22 # i currently permanently brick it - its easier (but less adrenalin-producing) 18.14.31 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 18.15.01 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 18.16.01 # fragilematter: how did you test for the powerbutton on b7? currently iam running that code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48613/ - but does not react on keypresses 18.16.13 # b4 18.16.29 # b4... however... i test the whole port :) 18.16.35 # I tested one pin at a time] :D 18.16.36 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 18.17.17 # dany_21a: yep you should try testing only 1 pin 18.18.01 # how do you understand page 162 of the datasheet ? 18.18.06 Join kaze [0] (n=kaze@pac33-1-82-235-251-34.fbx.proxad.net) 18.18.27 # "can be used for .... button press detection" 18.18.47 # I am owner of a sansa clip with dead battery willing to do test 18.18.50 # but the comments and V/A parameters are an unknown language to me 18.19.02 # hi kaze nothing to test atm ... 18.19.12 # okay :) 18.19.39 # i am the owner of a sansa clip with alive battery and it killed my philips earphones 18.19.50 # dany_21a: my test.s http://pastebin.com/m321bb082 18.19.55 # maybe too much power 18.20.03 # and the wire melted 18.20.24 # you have to modify testgpio for each gpio and the pin for each test 18.21.06 # then power while holding a key and watch for the blinking... 18.21.45 # funman: wtf, headphones shouldn't get that much power to be able to melt a whire. never 18.23.02 # it looks like the cable is broken near to the jack connector 18.23.14 # I'll try surgery 18.23.33 # if you don't have a soldering iron you won't be able to fix it 18.24.04 # maybe you can try the cigarette lighter and insulating tape method ;)) 18.24.23 # i have a soldering iron 18.24.30 # I used it to repair my laptop 18.24.41 # fragilematter: where does this 0x200 come from (/* Read TESTGPIO pin x */ LDRB R2, [R1, #0x200] ) 18.24.50 # it's the pin offset 18.25.00 # 0x200 would be pin 7 18.25.12 # i thought its 0x00+pinoffset 18.25.29 # so what would refelect all pins? 0x00+0xff? 18.25.42 # never tryed it that way 18.25.46 # 0x00 + 4 * (1< + I don't have the datasheet, so i can't tell 18.25.59 # 0x04 is pin0 0x200 is pin7 18.26.11 # ah... that *4 is new for me 18.26.16 # 0x08 is pin1, 0x0c is pin1 (on bit1) and pin0 (on bit0) 18.26.29 # dany_21a: yes it's because gpio_data is at offset #0 so we have to start at #4 18.26.59 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 18.27.24 # yeah - so GPIOx_BASE+0x3fc would reflect all bits 18.28.22 # exact 18.28.30 # and in the darkness unit them or something like that 18.29.43 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.29.50 # * kaze is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on) 18.29.53 # yeah... thats it - now it reacts on power-button 18.30.13 # so gpio_data doesn't reflect all the bits ... 18.30.17 # kaze: please stop this in this channel. 18.30.19 # weird 18.30.22 # if you start it by usb power it shouldn't react 18.31.18 # should not react on button press you mean? 18.31.44 # the test.S should branch back to OF immediately 18.31.45 # usb start = no power button press => no trigger for the code to blink 18.32.03 # if you are testing only for the power button 18.32.20 # what is a "4V Lilo accumulator" ? 18.32.39 # last in last out 18.32.44 # 4v - dunno 18.32.48 # accumulator -> battery? 18.32.48 # 4 Volts 18.32.59 # nope, it should be a special register 18.33.07 # 4 Volts make sense with battery but not with lilo 18.33.16 # "check battery voltage of" .. 18.33.19 # so it's a battery 18.33.33 # it's LiIon then 18.33.44 # haven't got the previous talk, but could it been LiIo for LiIon? 18.33.46 # I guess it's the voltage coming to the battery (CHG_OUT) 18.34.05 # yes it's LiIo fucking xpdf 18.34.15 # I can't select the text and paste it 18.34.31 # CVDD = "charge pump" 18.34.36 # the pdf was probably ocr-ed and it's nasty 18.34.44 # or something 18.34.55 # no it's a xpdf limitation 18.35.08 # I use evince :P 18.35.10 # it doesn't draw text but pictures 18.35.19 # MicSup1 18.35.35 # check voltage on MicSup1 for remote control or external voltage measurement 18.35.38 # xpdf can copy from the text just nice. It doesn't do it if the pdf has some security features set that disallow copying text (acrobat does the same) 18.35.42 # MicSup2 (same description) 18.36.02 # hum .. I thought it was xpdf 18.36.03 # yeah... there are buttons mapped onto the GPIOC 18.36.13 # dany_21a: \o/ 18.36.25 # which ones? 18.37.03 # left/right/up/down/select trigger reactions on GPIOC - all other not 18.37.33 # weird, I wouldn't of missed so many keys on a single gpio 18.38.48 # fragilematter: you could try to run that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48619/ 18.40.03 # now to find a non-wrecked (read as patched) copy of mkamsboot 18.40.12 # svn revert . -R 18.40.23 # the svn copy is clean :P 18.43.32 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 18.45.10 # now upgrading 18.45.24 # bluebrother: I tried to make rbutil on a brand new install ubuntu and I have an error 18.45.35 # bluebrother: autodetection.cpp:24:17: error: usb.h: No such file or directory 18.45.46 # libusb is installed 18.45.46 # install libusb-dev ... 18.46.16 # that took a while 18.46.27 # what's the condition for your code to trigger? 18.46.34 # button press! 18.46.38 # fragilematter: have now tested all 4 GPIO... the remaining buttons dont trigger on any GPIO-Port 18.46.46 # bertrik: libusb-dev or libusb++-dev ? 18.46.53 # oh, wait, I don't think it even updated :| 18.47.07 # fragilematter: but you can unbrick your device? 18.47.15 # of course 18.47.21 # toffe82, libusb-dev I think, never header of libusb++ 18.47.25 # (you will have no optin to get into th OF back) 18.47.26 # *heard 18.47.45 # never heard of libusb++ either 18.47.52 # it went into the OF, so it didn't upgrade properly 18.48.06 # i am looking in the package manager and there is the 2 18.48.28 # okay, upgrading again 18.48.38 # just install libusb-dev and don't get distracted by other stuff :P 18.48.44 # libusb++ : This is only for programs which use the C++ interface. 18.49.04 # it what they say :) 18.49.32 # the power button toggles it 18.50.14 Join culture [0] (n=sam@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 18.50.18 # I now have a pretty expensive Li-Ion powered led switch :)) 18.50.35 # so..will now be off sometime - maybe ill try to find the actuall pins for each button afterwards (in some h) 18.50.38 # oh, and it has a 250MHz processor 18.51.11 # btw... who has admin rights for the wiki and can give me write-rights? 18.52.12 # dany_21a: what's your wiki name? 18.52.24 # none sofar...wait 18.52.55 # (anyone with write access can grant you write permissions ;-) 18.53.16 # I'm going for unbrick 18.55.35 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.56.44 # dany_21a: it's DanielWeigl? 18.56.58 # jep...just wanted to post here 18.57.35 # just noticed it in the recent edits list ;-) 18.57.48 # ok, you should now be able to edit pages. 18.58.05 # thx - yes works 18.58.06 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 18.58.20 # so..now am awy... will come back later (or 2morrow), and post details if i find some 18.58.23 # bye 18.58.55 # libusb is ok, the make works 18.59.24 Quit gregzx_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 18.59.35 Nick dany_21a is now known as dany_21a_ (n=dan@84-119-5-54.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 18.59.45 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.08.26 Join FugitivePrisoner [0] (n=tfarides@ool-182d8639.dyn.optonline.net) 19.09.21 Quit dan_a () 19.10.40 Quit fragilematter ("out") 19.16.01 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 19.19.45 # I tried to read from 4 adc sources without result ... 19.20.11 Join dusker [0] (n=dusker@76.8.206.88) 19.20.25 # what is the status of the rockbox port to the sansa clip? 19.20.31 # is that going anywhere? 19.20.42 # early development 19.20.54 # so there is a version that runs on it? 19.20.58 # no 19.21.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.21.31 # ah ic 19.21.45 # you think it will still be a while then, before we have something usable? 19.21.51 # yes 19.22.17 # a while :'( 19.26.24 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4ECA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.26.36 # * J-23 thinks porting to v2 should take 1-2 months... 19.26.58 # but I newer saw development of a big project 19.27.08 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 19.29.45 Quit AndyI (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.30 # J-23: it normally takes much longer, you can not predict development times with only volunteers.. :-) 19.35.15 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 19.36.07 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-629e7adf385e063a) 19.37.15 # silly question : where is rbutil after the make ? 19.37.32 Quit bmbl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.37 # i arranged to get a probably broken Fuze cheaply 19.39.11 # if its really broken, i assume desoldering the BGA chips in an oven and figuring out where the traces go with a DMM would be useful? 19.40.08 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.42.32 # toffe82: i think on linux its in the rbutilqt folder. on windows its either in rbutilqt/debug/ or rbutilqt/release/ 19.42.34 # shotofadds: good news ep0 worked ;) 19.44.18 Join thephilosopher [0] (n=chatzill@modemcable108.47-58-74.mc.videotron.ca) 19.44.57 # allo everyone 19.45.55 # have some probleme checking out the svn repersitory 19.46.01 # thephilosopher: how goes the TCC hacking? 19.46.26 # saratoga on it , thanks for the file 19.46.55 # saratoga: i am still in early looking of the code , have a lot of question 19.46.59 # saratoga: what's a DMM ? 19.47.10 # are you familiar with he code ? 19.47.23 # Bagder: ? 19.47.37 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@c-67-170-177-22.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 19.48.37 # funman: digital multi meter 19.48.38 Join Hilikus [0] (n=ROCKERO@bas2-montreal45-1279654377.dsl.bell.ca) 19.48.44 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 19.48.46 # thephilosopher: some of it 19.48.47 # hey guys 19.48.55 # what problem were you having with SVN? 19.49.02 # is release 3 out yet? 19.49.44 # no its out on the 23rd of this month 19.49.46 # saratoga: you should ask this question on the forum thread 19.50.13 # funman: once i get it and figure out what i want to do I will 19.50.25 # also, was the contact plugin added to the main line already? 19.50.52 # thanks 19.52.09 # it seems we can have an interrupt happen when a button is pressed on sansav2 19.53.03 # that makes sense, rockbox devices often use interrupt based button handling too 19.53.24 # that means the interrupt handlers have to be in place before any check is made ? 19.54.28 # saratoga: i cant co the svn... got a 405 method not allowed ... any idea ? 19.54.40 # thephilosopher: proxy? 19.54.42 # pastebin your attempt somewhere and i'll look at it 19.54.53 # funman proxy ? 19.56.20 # are you using a http proxy ? 19.56.30 # funman i dont think so 19.57.07 # are you trying to access the repo using svn over http? I had this once when I used the wrong protocol 19.57.20 # thephilosopher: you could have a hidden proxy 19.58.56 # bluebrother: i am typing this on the commandline : svn co http://svn.rockbox.org/trunk 19.59.20 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 19.59.22 # use svn:// instead of http 19.59.34 # thephilosopher: this is wrong. You need to use the svn:// protocol 19.59.53 # like this svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk 19.59.54 # Rockbox svn doesn't support svn over http 20.00.03 # yep 20.00.05 # the correct SVN command is actually on the using svn wiki page 20.00.11 # probably best to just copy and paste that 20.00.27 # well i am using the one one the site 20.00.34 # the wiki page i meant 20.00.38 # * bluebrother looks up the correct line every time again, just as it's easier than remembering the exact path :) 20.00.50 # thephilosopher: the wiki page definitely doesn't state svn over http 20.03.03 # true 20.03.06 # my bad 20.03.51 # saratoga: hey, my fuze got replaced by a new one, so I'm back at buisness :) 20.05.38 # business* 20.06.29 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B46636.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.13.32 # is usb_drv_recv() async? 20.13.38 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.15.19 # * gevaerts looks 20.15.30 # do you mean not blocking ? 20.15.38 # Too long since I did usb stuff... 20.16.07 # gevaerts: why? did you write usb support on the Enigma machine ? 20.16.23 # vitja: yes, it's async 20.16.33 # thanks 20.16.42 # funman: I've tried, but it has encrypted firmware 20.16.58 # gevaerts: the encryption acts as a captcha 20.17.10 # hmm one more question: could packet be already there when usb_drv_recv() was called? 20.17.56 # It shouldn't, as the controller is expected to NAK packets until it has been told by usb_drv_recv() to expect packets 20.18.23 # shall I delete that one screenshot in the release branch too or is it not worth the effort (just a bit of clean-up)? 20.18.37 # * gevaerts thinks he should document the usb api from the point of view of the driver 20.19.07 # gevaerts: think in my case there will no be manuall nack/ack 20.19.11 # pixelma: would be nice imo but it's not really needed -- 3.0 is scheduled quite soon now, so ... 20.19.19 Part J-23 20.19.34 # vitja: you'll have interesting buffer issues then 20.20.10 # vitja: where will these incoming packets be stored? 20.20.32 # gevaerts: I'll give it a buffer for one packet? 20.20.55 # gevaerts: or may be disable interrupt for that time? 20.21.21 # That could be tricky I think. 20.21.29 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 20.21.54 # Anyway, I don't currently see how it will work, but I haven't looked at your driver yet, so it may all work out 20.22.32 # gevaerts: I'll show it later, when it'll work anyway 20.22.34 # The problem with a buffer for one packet is, what will you do with the second packet? 20.22.57 # gevaerts: now I handle ep0 and I see in /proc/bus/usb/devices rockbox signature 20.23.24 Quit dusker ("Leaving") 20.23.26 # * gevaerts will have to try that code soon 20.23.47 # gevaerts: now I will try to understand hardware better 20.24.23 Quit kaze (" ") 20.24.24 # Anyway if the current api is not well suited to the tcc hardware, we can change it 20.24.26 # vitja: you are progressing quickly 20.25.00 # hmm I'll try to fit it in, the will look 20.26.38 # Don't try too hard. If it really doesn't easily fit, we need to change it. The tcc style of controller is much more common than the PP style anyway 20.30.34 # gevaerts: whats different about the two styles? 20.30.45 Quit funman ("leaving") 20.31.33 Quit neddy (Remote closed the connection) 20.31.42 Quit Siku () 20.31.50 # saratoga: the "usual" style gives you a FIFO and you handle it packet per packet, so you basically work at USB tranaction level. The PP (and imx31) is much higher level, as it works at USB transfer level 20.32.00 Join kronflux [0] (n=kronflux@hlfxns0161w-142177028006.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net) 20.33.35 # saratoga: a "usb transfer" is basically the logical level, as seen by the application (i.e. all data for a single UMS write) 20.35.01 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A95AB5.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.42.51 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 20.54.32 Join fragilematter [0] (n=barbu_do@92.83.250.101) 20.57.00 # an arabic codepage is referred to as "ISO-8859-6" in the text viewer and the default codepage setting in Rockbox calls one "CP1256"... is it the same? 20.57.29 # no 20.58.59 # weird, all other codepage settings exist in both - just for arabic there are two different ones then 20.59.03 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-6 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1256 21.04.00 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.106.204) 21.07.26 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 21.07.46 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 21.10.21 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.11.11 Quit desowin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.12.03 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.13.24 Part J-23 21.19.05 Quit ajonat () 21.21.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.23.51 Quit vitja ("Ex-Chat") 21.26.43 # does a setting name "Scroll by Line" and "Scroll by Page" need explanation (Title case is not my invention)? I don't know how it could be done nicely without just repeating what it says... 21.28.26 # (in the text viewer's "Scroll Mode" submenu, if that's important) 21.31.51 Join funman [0] (n=fun@82-171-216-191.ip.telfort.nl) 21.42.56 # In my opinion, no. 21.42.56 Quit havien (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.43.19 Quit Strife89 (""Bye, guys."") 21.46.58 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-241-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 21.47.43 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-TWENTY-THREE.MIT.EDU) 21.50.21 Join mackes [0] (n=root@cpe-76-180-145-138.buffalo.res.rr.com) 21.59.14 Quit lasser () 22.00.06 Quit funman ("leaving") 22.00.51 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.06.23 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.08.21 Quit Hilikus ("Estoy usando el Ambar-Script v1.1, yo lo cree y me quedo muy bacano, bajatelo de http://pagina.de/deporcali | There are 10 ki) 22.13.18 # meh, some plugin button mappings could be improved but I should just continue documenting them as-is first. This will need corrections later then though :\ 22.14.04 Quit fragilematter ("out") 22.21.42 Join dataangel [0] (n=prophet@146.113.65.145) 22.22.10 # Is there anyway for plugins to use the standard C floor/ceil functions? 22.25.23 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.106.204) 22.27.33 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aa8f62d508366982) 22.28.09 # dataangel: since plugins are typically integer only, they're not generally needed 22.28.32 # saratoga: But plugins aren't restricted from using floats, right? 22.28.46 # * dataangel uses floats and it seems to build in the simulator... 22.30.04 # well, as our targets don't have an fpu this would be slow on target depending on the number of float calculations you do 22.30.30 # dataangel: they're not resticted to ints, but keep in mind the FPU goes away when you stop using the sim 22.30.34 # not many 22.31.16 # hrm, need to implement my own ceil then 22.31.22 # The general rule is that you shouldn't use floats in rockbox unless *absolutely* necessary 22.31.48 # The core doesn't use floats at all, and only a very few plugins do 22.32.18 # Also keep in mind that if you want to display a float value you're on your own. Rockbox snprintf() doesn't support them 22.32.53 # k, shouldn't be an issue luckily 22.33.28 # hrm, don't suppose there's a good epsilon for floats defined somewhere? If it helps I'm only dealing with positive floats 22.33.51 # dataangel: how would you define it? 22.33.52 # should be in the IEEE754 spec 22.34.06 # ah, didn't realize that was standardized 22.34.37 # * gevaerts would expect the correct epsilon to depend on what you are doing 22.35.07 # gevaerts: truncate it, then see if truncated version is within epsilon of original, if so we have a whole number like 3 already, and just return it. If not, add 1 and truncate it, then return that. 22.35.29 # it'd be easier to just add 1-epsilon and then cast to int 22.35.30 # truncating by casting to int 22.35.51 # saratoga: That would work too :) 22.36.32 # hmm. What's the state of establishing themes.rockbox.or? I noticed the domain now points to some server 22.37.06 # according to wikipedia, its 2^-23 22.37.14 # for single precision anyway 22.38.47 # yep, just found that googling =) 22.38.50 # thanks 22.39.04 # 2^-24 actually 22.43.31 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@e212-246-66-148.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 22.44.28 # * amiconn wonders whether JdGordon tested his commit at all... 22.44.40 # dataangel: IEEE uses a sign bit, not 2's comp, so i think its 2^-23 22.45.06 # amiconn: he said he tested in a sim, IIRC 22.45.35 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 22.46.15 # * amiconn will try, and expects shuffled playlists being broken 22.52.06 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 22.52.55 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 22.54.11 Quit dataangel (Remote closed the connection) 22.56.06 Quit vcardenas ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.58.02 # Hmm, indeed an interesting catch 22.58.21 # It does work, because the playlist code stores the seed in .playlist_control 22.59.36 # * amiconn wonders why we then stored the resume seed globally for all those years 23.00.20 # But it's probably a similar catch as that MMCs which state larger block sizes and no partial block write feature actually do support 512byte block writes 23.02.36 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 23.04.04 Join funman [0] (n=fun@82.171.216.191) 23.04.07 # does SHAREDBSS_ATTR use IRAM or uncached DRAM? 23.04.12 # re 23.04.25 # any sansa e200v2 owner? 23.04.49 # got e280v2 23.04.57 # * bluebrother could help with an m200v2 23.05.02 # IIUC, the larger stated block sizes are the only way to report a total size of 1 GB or higher, doesn't mean that the block size is actually larger 23.05.16 # bluebrother: they have no recovery mode :( 23.05.37 # liiwi: can you run tests on it and unbrick your device if needed ? 23.05.54 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.05.57 # what sort of tests are we talking about? 23.06.12 # would be glad to help, but time limited, and I need my player :) 23.06.18 # bertrik: I know that it's needed for reporting >1GB. But then, the data sheets say that this size is the only supported size for reading/writing, unless the "partial block read/write" flag(s) are set 23.06.22 # upgrading to potentially damaged firmwares 23.06.45 # how's the unbricking procedure? 23.06.54 # jtag fun? 23.06.55 # if you have to ask you should not be patching the sansa v2 23.06.58 # All cards I've seen so far support partial block reads (that means down to a single byte), but almost none support partial block writes 23.07.10 # you have to open the device and hit it hard with a hammer 23.07.27 # then take all the parts and put them in the right order, glue them 23.07.31 # can do, but don't have time for that, sorry 23.07.36 # :) 23.07.41 # thanks anyway 23.07.51 # funman: whatever happened to usinjg JTAG on the V2s? i remember someone figured it out and then i never heard anything else about it 23.08.03 # saratoga: same here: no news 23.08.04 # The newest Jedec standard on that matter (eMMC 4.3) explicitly states that cards stating larger block sizes and no partial block features have to support both the reported block size and 512bytes 23.08.11 # might buy another e280 for that, if I get plenty of time for some weird reason 23.08.14 # I have no cable here 23.08.15 # I only found that .pdf today... 23.08.21 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@m2a5336d0.tmodns.net) 23.08.53 # amiconn: is there a define that checks for any PP version? 23.09.03 # But that still means the Transcend 4GB violates the standard. It supports 512byte blocks and 1024byte blocks, but not 2048byte blocks (as it states in its CSD) 23.09.13 # it should all get a little easier (at least for sd cards) with the sdhc spec :) 23.09.28 # For MMC there is an equivalent: MMC4.2 23.09.49 # although I think they put a rather arbitrary limit at 32 GB size 23.09.58 # Yes, that limit is arbitrary 23.10.10 # I have looked at ipod mini yesterday 23.10.14 # The technical limit is 2TB (using 512byte blocks) 23.10.20 # I believe sansa e200s also support sd 23.10.55 # This is because the block count is a 32bit number 23.13.08 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 23.13.12 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.13.24 # @+ 23.13.29 Quit funman ("leaving") 23.15.01 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B46636.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.15.44 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-128-18.rev.numericable.fr) 23.19.24 Join mrkiko [0] (n=mrkiko@host213-231-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 23.20.11 # amiconn: i'm getting about 34 MHz for 192kbps MP3 on the ipod 3G using the COP patch, or about 280% realtime according to test_codec 23.20.35 Join andi__ [0] (n=anpu@vpn15.rz.tu-ilmenau.de) 23.21.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.22.19 Part andi__ ("Ex-Chat") 23.22.31 Join andi__ [0] (n=anpu@vpn15.rz.tu-ilmenau.de) 23.22.58 # hey folks 23.23.16 # may i ask you guys a question about the sandisk sansa e260 23.23.30 # Just ask, don't ask to ask 23.24.00 # at amazon, one can buy two different version of that device: one fm version and one w/o a fm radio 23.24.16 # If they are v1 both will work with Rockbox 23.24.30 # However, I supect they will both be v2 and therefore not work 23.25.02 # k, i am aware of the v2 limitation 23.25.51 # but i wonder about the fm no fm version 23.26.00 # is this fm thing just a software limitation? 23.26.09 # mostly software 23.26.11 # Often but not always 23.26.17 # though apparently theres some with no fm chip either 23.26.24 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 23.26.25 # are they? 23.26.26 # k 23.27.41 # when did sandisk start to ship v2 players? 23.27.58 # Quite a while ago 23.28.12 # Any new ones are pretty much guaranteed to be v2 23.28.22 # And even some refurbs might be now 23.34.36 # saratoga: Hmm, 183% realtime (43.6MHz) with svn (2nd Gen) 23.34.48 # andi__: the ones @amazon are v2 ones. on ebay there are some v1 ones 23.35.56 # amiconn: apparently putting that buffer in DRAM incurs a decient performance hit 23.36.35 # Still, 53% speedup is quite good 23.36.52 # Does test_codec give unboosted numbers too? 23.36.53 # The performance hit is most probably due to the PP5002's broken cache 23.37.08 # I expect the hit to be much smaller on PP5020 23.46.51 # back again 23.47.01 # @kopfgeldjaeger 23.47.09 # that was my idea two 23.47.44 # and so i am able to ask the seller to check the player version 23.47.53 # what a great plan :-) 23.49.41 # but i am still afraid about the fm radio thing 23.50.09 # it would be great to turn a official non-fm player into a "inofficial" rockbox fm player 23.50.16 # buy one with an fm radio if you want to be sure 23.50.59 # yes sure, but the non-fm are less attractive and thus much cheaper 23.51.19 # Licensing fees make them cheaper 23.52.49 # yeah, but i am not sure if its worth making two different hw-version (one with and one w/o fm tuner) 23.54.46 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 23.55.19 # if you can simply leave out the chip it's not really more expensive ... 23.56.34 # since sandisk did make two different versions, it was evidently worthwhile to do 23.57.19 # andi__: i had bought an e200V1-EU version _without_ FM... installed rockbox and was spurised that it showed the "FM-Radio"-Menu, thought it was a bug 23.57.29 # selected it: radio worked 23.57.58 # the not-FM Version was about 30€ cheaper than the FM version on amazon that time.... but actually the same hw 23.58.19 # thats exactly what i wanted to hear 23.58.23 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 23.58.24 # As I say, licensing fees 23.58.39 # However, there _are_ some that physically do not have the chip