--- Log for 01.10.108 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 29 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.27 # after un adjusting through mp3gain 00.00.32 # well, you just need to do it once ;-) 00.00.53 # besides, don't you want album and track gain the same time? ;-) 00.01.23 # I know, but I just got done using mp3gain on all those tracks yesterday :( that was like 6 hours of process time 00.01.25 # jfb9301: Sorry if I didn't read correctly, but what's bad about mp3gain directly changing the file? 00.01.26 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 00.02.00 Join maddler [0] (i=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 00.02.02 # yea I know only once, I guess I did not read deep enough in the faq stuf 00.02.44 # kugel, nothing particularly, if everything goes right, but under rockbox, all the features associated with replay gain will not function. 00.02.45 # kugel: you can't just turn it off while playing? You only have "one" gain, no album gain mode? 00.03.04 # no pre-amp, no prevent clipping 00.03.35 # jfb9301: well, I was looking for the same information a while ago and always found the details too hidden 00.03.37 # jfb9301: you can set mp3tag to prevent clipping, you can set mp3gain to use album mode 00.03.43 # Thanks! 00.03.48 # free pizza time! 00.03.57 Quit hospadar ("CGI:IRC") 00.04.10 # * bluebrother points kugel to the "album gain, track gain when shuffling" mode in Rockbox 00.04.45 # it's not as flexible as tags, indeed 00.04.50 # yes I know, but if a gain is over adjusted down, the overall track is now quiet and there is no way to compensate for that unless the pre amp gain function wokrs 00.05.32 # well, but you safe battery life, since replaygain isn't active 00.06.02 # kugel: You only save battery life if activating replaygain requires more time spent boosting 00.06.06 # also you can set the gain somewhat high, which would normally result in clipping, but use the prevent clipping feature, to maximize voure while minimizing loss and distortion 00.06.32 # kugel: With recent improvements to MP3, this is unlikely. As well, since gain is a single multiply as far as I know, it's a very, very, very small CPU cost compared to most other DSP effects. 00.06.55 # possibly, I haven't made tests 00.07.07 # since the improvement 00.07.11 # * bluebrother has ReplayGain enabled all the time 00.07.11 # I'm not particularly concerened with battery life as much was volume and quality 00.07.24 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 00.07.31 # hi all 00.07.42 # I would guess that you wouldn't be able to consistently show a loss of battery life by using replaygain. I'd bet it'd fall within the margin for error of real-world tests. 00.07.46 # mp3 has gain factors in the mp3 frame anyway. So what's the difference if you now multiply with a different value? 00.08.01 # my frankenpod has a 12 hour batterylife for audio, more if I attach my 4 AA power supply 00.10.49 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@host-127-125.dhcp.pdx.edu) 00.12.08 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.26 # I have to get going for now, I'll probably be back later as I work more on this. 00.16.30 Quit jfb9301 (Client Quit) 00.18.24 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.21.21 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.23.04 # linuxstb: the thumb decompressor is 186 bytes here :? 00.24.24 # funman: I'm not counting the "wrapper code" to switch into thumb mode that's in nrv2e_d8.S 00.25.08 # eh, how will it switch to thumb mode then ? 00.25.57 # Either using that wrapper code, or by using bx directly from our bootloader 00.26.12 # ok 00.26.22 # But I'm just talking about the decompressor function when I say it's 180 bytes... 00.26.37 # It is *that* small on arm? 00.26.42 # Are you sure you don't get 188 bytes (180 plus 8) ? 00.26.45 # amiconn: Yes ;) 00.26.52 # wow 00.26.53 # by the way I understood only today why I couldn't use the nice BLX function listed in the arm reference list of instructions : it's only available in newer processors .. :) 00.26.53 # In thumb mode... 00.26.54 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC548.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.27.04 # linuxstb: no 00.27.12 Join Bawitdaba [0] (n=Sphinx@cpe-72-224-114-36.nycap.res.rr.com) 00.27.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.27.26 # amiconn: If you're curious - http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/privat/upx-3.03-src.tar.gz:a/upx-3.03-src/src/stub/src/arch/arm/v4t/nrv2e_d8.S 00.27.35 # (it's macro-hell though...) 00.28.43 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 00.29.00 Quit perrikwp|work ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.29.14 # Oh, a pure asm implementation... 00.29.16 # * amiconn would have use for an SH1 asm version... 00.29.36 # * funman handles gcc -S to amiconn with a text editor 00.29.45 # amiconn: gcc generated about 1500 bytes of arm code for the C version... 00.30.07 # amiconn: Sadly there isn't one (at least not in upx). There's an m68k version though. 00.30.23 # (and mips) 00.30.43 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.30.52 # The archos flash loader has an ucl decompressor. 00.31.04 # Would be nice if we could save some size here 00.32.05 # linuxstb: it is 178 bytes actually :) probably your binary is padded to align addresses on 4 bytes ? 00.32.14 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.32.48 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh9569@dxb-as80576.alshamil.net.ae) 00.32.55 Join Jeremy_ [0] (n=chatzill@131.230.149.223) 00.33.14 # funman: Yes, you're right... I linked it with ARM code, so maybe ld padded it... 00.33.15 # anyone have problems updating the database? 00.33.31 Part pixelma 00.33.49 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.33.51 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.33.59 # linuxstb: Is that binsize with our C code, or the reference implementation? 00.34.16 # The Rockbox code. 00.34.24 # the C code in rockbox quotes "thinned out version" 00.34.29 Quit Jeremy_ (Client Quit) 00.34.33 # * linuxstb double-checks that figure... 00.35.31 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.35.40 # funman: Yes it does, and there are indeed a few features removed 00.36.09 # Yes, it's 1572 bytes 00.38.08 Quit avis ("taktaktaktakkkk") 00.39.33 # The SH1 version is 524 bytes (compiled using -Os) 00.41.11 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.42.08 # funman, linuxstb: The rockbox version doesn't handle multiple blocks. Standard block size is 256KB iirc, so you need to be careful when exceeding this 00.42.28 # *K* ? 00.42.34 # That should be OK - the images we're compressing are about 120KB 00.42.57 # oh it's an upper limit 00.43.42 # You can set other block sizes iiuc. Minimum is 1024bytes, maximum is 8MB 00.44.00 # (when compressing, obviously) 00.44.18 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.44.23 # Hmm, seems gcc is being silly and only using a few registers, with other vars on the stack... Adding "register" to the local vars reduces the binsize to 580 bytes. 00.44.42 # Did you try -Os 00.44.43 # ? 00.45.03 # Yes, but unless I was doing something wrong, all the -O options gave the same size code... 00.45.23 Quit neddy (Remote closed the connection) 00.45.45 # there's an option for that: -fdisable-gcc-weirness 00.45.59 # fdinel: ping ? 00.46.30 # * linuxstb was doing something wrong - his "make clean" wasn't deleting decompressor.o... 00.46.56 # -Os gives 580 bytes 00.47.50 # Hmm, -O1 gives 572 bytes... 00.47.50 # linuxstb: fdinel is atomicpunk, he should be back in ~1 hour if you want to talk with him 00.48.16 # eh, I think there's progress to do in language algorithms ;) 00.48.17 # But still, 178 bytes is nicer. 00.48.40 # absolutely :) 00.48.53 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.47 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-c4f2c082113f1573) 00.49.57 # * amiconn downloaded a newer version of the arm reference manual yesterday 00.50.46 # One that explains the armv6 instructions as well.... it looks like they will allow a significant speedup of the ape filteris 00.51.17 # The 16-bit arithmetic instructions? 00.51.19 # An interesting point is that a small part of these speedups would be possible on armv5 as well 00.51.37 # Or do they have vector instructions? 00.51.41 # linuxstb: armv6 can even do them packed, for both halfwords of a word at once... 00.52.19 # These are vector instructions 00.53.29 # There's an even more powerful vector addon in newer arm processors: neon. It is said to be able to decode 48kHz 320kbps MP3 with effectively 10MHz CPU clock... 00.54.45 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 00.55.05 # linuxstb: armv5 adds simple 16 bit vector instructions (for multiplication only), and saturated arithmetics (but only 32 bit for add/sub) 00.55.20 # s/vector// 00.55.55 # linuxstb: well he was online on jabber, he didn't meant toolchain to be a specific toolchain 00.56.09 # armv6 extends these further into vector instructions. You can do packed 16 bit (x2) or 8 bit (x4) adds/subs, saturated or wrapping, signed or unsigned 00.56.22 # amiconn: Yes, I remember seeing those instructions when writing the ARM assembler for APE - and wishing I could use them... 00.57.14 # And it even extends this to muls and mlas, so that you can do e.g 32=32+16*16+16*16 in a single instruction... 00.57.32 # Anyone know if the beast still clocked at about 300MHz in Rockbox? 00.57.44 # It's clocked at 264MHz 00.57.53 # (exactly half of the maximum) 01.01.01 # Those vector instructions should also be useful for mpeg motion comp... 01.01.48 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 01.04.47 # idct too 01.08.05 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 01.13.10 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 01.14.16 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181108182.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.14.19 Part toffe82 01.14.24 Quit ender` (" The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made.") 01.20.07 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.20.49 Quit lasser ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070200]") 01.27.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.27.12 Quit maddler ("connection reset by beer!") 01.34.02 Quit Bawitdaba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.48 # good news: we are running in ram on sansav2 as suspected by linuxstb :) 01.36.24 Join webguest02 [0] (n=430aeeaf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c1729534d874929b) 01.37.17 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 01.37.55 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 01.47.12 # so, you guys are making progress on sansav2? :) 01.49.49 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.51.37 # step by step :=) 01.54.55 Quit krazykit (Remote closed the connection) 01.56.44 # hey peeps 01.57.02 # hey strange timezone guy 01.57.07 # haha 01.57.13 # you damn europeans :P 02.02.49 Quit joe2371 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.05.05 Quit SpaceTraveler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.08.26 # amiconn, I assume you are asking why my server barfs /sometimes/ on sim builds? 02.12.10 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@12-203-112-233.client.mchsi.com) 02.13.23 # like, less than 10% of the time? 02.16.15 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-SEVEN-TWENTY-ONE.MIT.EDU) 02.19.22 Quit DaCapn () 02.24.40 # ++ 02.24.42 Quit funman ("leaving") 02.26.54 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.27.27 Join heny [0] (n=fleX@xdsl-87-78-89-94.netcologne.de) 02.27.41 Part heny 02.27.55 Quit Lambdumb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.28.07 Join r0flc0pt3r [0] (n=fleX@xdsl-87-78-89-94.netcologne.de) 02.28.53 # hey guys. i got a sansa e260 with firmware v03.01.16f. is there absolutely no possibility of running rockbox on there? 02.29.04 # i hate the interface without having folder access 02.31.31 # r0flc0pt3r: not yet... 02.32.27 # can you say how long it will approximately take until rockbox is completely ported? 02.32.32 # what's the problem with it? 02.32.35 Join Bawitdaba [0] (n=Sphinx@cpe-72-224-114-36.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.33.46 # r0flc0pt3r: the hardware's completely different, so they essentially have to port it from scratch 02.34.01 # and all I can say is "they're working on it" 02.34.02 # but as far as i see the main problem is the lack of a recovery mode right? 02.34.50 # That's the first problem, after which it's the lack of drivers and hardware information. 02.35.03 # There's no main problem as much as "the next problem we have to deal with" 02.35.18 # so it could still take a year or more? 02.35.26 # Llorean: could you say "the main problem is the hardware is completely different" 02.36.29 # r0flc0pt3r: It's impossible to predict. 02.36.46 # r0flc0pt3r: Basically, it depends on how many volunteers work on it, how much spare time they have, and what random surprises come up along the way. 02.36.58 # It could be six months, it could be 4 years, it could never happen. 02.37.12 # ameyer: That's the most significant obvious problem, at least. 02.37.35 # mkay, thanks. do you know of any possibility to get the best overview on the v2's? some kind of folder view even with the official firmware? 02.38.08 # r0flc0pt3r: No. And this channel really isn't for questions about the original firmware. 02.38.25 Quit r0flc0pt3r () 02.39.54 Quit Nibbler ("Ex-Chat") 02.42.07 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092510]") 02.43.47 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.39 Join gull025 [0] (n=gull025@CPE0018e70c0406-CM001bd7130be4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.51.44 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181108182.adsl.alicedsl.de) 02.52.31 # hey guys i have a silly question 02.52.37 # i hope i can get an answer 02.57.00 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.59.25 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@75.3.220.195) 03.02.24 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@h164.92.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 03.10.37 # where can i get the themes for rockbox 03.10.40 # ? 03.11.04 # there is a theme gallery in the wiki. 03.11.31 Quit Nibbler ("Ex-Chat") 03.11.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 03.17.49 # if you are adventurous, and are willing to read up (in the WPS section of the forums) on how to repair WPSs, there is a larger selection to be found at rockbox-themes.org. 03.18.26 # But, most of those are broken, and many of them are not permissively licensed, so repaired versions can not be distributed :( 03.21.49 Join firsttry [0] (n=813fad69@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-21066b65d523d5d5) 03.22.14 # gull025, all that was directed at you. McFly? 03.22.20 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5c4feb6a27eb5224) 03.23.25 # i have ipod video 5th gen...how come i cant rate a song in rockbox...it wont let me...everytime i press middle button it goes back to album playlist..any thoughts on that guys 03.23.25 # ? 03.24.09 # gull025: rockbox is different than the apple firmware...i suggest you have a look at the manual 03.24.09 # soap: U know how i can resolve this problem 03.24.10 # ? 03.24.17 # okie... 03.24.18 # thanks 03.24.50 # Ok, so have been using rockbox for several months, a real old build. finnaly tried to upgrade to the 3.0 firmware, and whenever I try to play a song i get a codec failure. this is on a 30 gig video 03.25.01 # so far I have tried mp3 and ogg files, same result 03.25.25 # firsttry: did you make sure to extract the entire .rockbox folder? 03.26.00 # I extracted the folder to the desktop, then tried the resulting .rockbox folder over the old one on my ipod 03.26.01 # firsttry: This means your rockbox.ipod file is a different version than your *.codec files, and if you have a _really_ old build may mean you have a rockbox.ipod file lying around in the root of your iPod as well as the one in the .rockbox folder 03.26.13 Join cool_walking_ [0] (i=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5eb9df4bf8825b43) 03.26.19 # then I tried deleting the .rockbox alltogether 03.26.26 # then extracting directly to the ipod 03.26.29 # same results 03.26.43 # firsttry: do you have a rockbox.ipod file in the root of your device? 03.26.47 # let me check 03.26.48 Join mackes [0] (n=root@cpe-76-180-145-138.buffalo.res.rr.com) 03.27.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.27.47 # shoot, I booted the wrong firmware, hold on a second 03.28.54 # no, I dont 03.29.09 # wait, I'm sorry I do 03.29.17 # delete it 03.29.18 # extensions aren't showing, I missed it 03.29.20 # ok 03.29.33 # done 03.30.29 # and you are going to need to reinstall the bootloader...see the manual for instructions 03.30.30 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.30.36 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@e212-246-66-148.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 03.30.56 # (yours is likely too old) 03.31.03 # ok 03.31.39 # mine says IPl 2.0 03.32.27 # that is unsupported here 03.32.46 # you will need to use ours, or get help somewhere else if you wish to use that one 03.33.06 # that is not a rockbox loader? 03.33.16 # It's the iPL loader. 03.33.18 # Oh, I used to have ipod linux, i guess it must be leftover from that 03.33.19 # it is not our software 03.33.23 # duh, IPL 03.33.23 # It can load Rockbox, but it's from the iPodLinux project. 03.33.30 Join Waldo000000 [0] (n=roy@ppp118-208-43-207.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) 03.33.37 # thank you for clarifying 03.33.40 # Since we didn't write it, and we have no control over what it does, we don't provide support for it. 03.34.27 # makes sense 03.34.43 # quick question about installing the bootloader 03.35.07 # it says to run a program that will tell you some information about your ipod, but it does not say what mode to have the ipod in 03.35.18 # should I have the apple firware running, or be in disk mode? 03.35.24 Quit MarcGuay ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 03.36.03 # Both will act pretty much the same, except disk mode is slower. 03.37.29 # ok, I just realized I don't have administrative priviligase so I can't run it, ipodpatcher is saying it cant find the ipod 03.37.37 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.37.37 # I will go ahead and try again on my own computer later 03.37.41 # thank you for the help 03.38.01 # also, just as an FYI, in ipodpatcher it says the ipod should be in disk mode 03.38.23 # maybe that has changed and just didn't get updated, I don't know, just thought I would mention it 03.38.53 # Maybe it's a false piece of advice just so people don' 03.39.02 # t think "should it be normal or disk mode" 03.39.50 # ok 03.40.17 # I installed the boot loader in the normal OF. The HDD is the only thing being written to, so you just need UMS, which both disk mode and the normal OF provide. 03.40.19 # before I go, I just want to make sure that I needed to delete that file AND install the bootloader to get rid of the codec error message? 03.41.06 # because I can boot rockbox with the IPl, but after deleting the file i am still getting an error message 03.41.18 # and before updating just the firmware rockbox was working fine 03.41.50 # firsttry, cool_walking_: "Disk Mode" actually refers to "It needs to have a drive letter" 03.41.58 # The "Disk Mode" screen is something else. 03.42.22 # iTunes has a "Allow Disk Mode" check box, and if iTunes is installed, and the box is unchecked, some iPods won't show up with a drive letter, so that only iTunes has access to them. 03.42.33 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.42.53 # so basicly what you are saying is if I can browse my ipod on the pc, I am in the right mode? 03.43.06 # Yes 03.43.08 # Exactly. 03.43.15 # ok 03.43.28 # coolwalking: I missed your comment there, I don't know what OF or UMS means 03.44.17 # OF = Original (Apple, Sandisk, etc) Firmware . UMS aka MSC = the mode the iPod is in that allows it to appear as a drive letter. 03.46.34 # how long does it take to install the bootloader? Someone just came into the computer lab(I am at school) with thier laptop, and I am going to see if they will let me use it to run this 03.46.48 # I assume ipodpatcher can't find my ipod because of restricted rights 03.47.02 # It needs to be run as admin, yes. 03.47.07 # 30 seconds maybe. 03.47.23 # Less with iPodPatcher. 03.47.47 # ok, I am going to go ask 03.49.58 # hmmm can i get solitaire game for rockbox to play in my IPOD 03.49.58 # ? 03.50.11 # i mean can i get it over the net somewehre 03.50.11 # ? 03.50.18 # gull025: Rockbox comes with all its plugins. 03.51.07 # n the games? 03.51.12 # Are plugins. 03.51.15 # Please, see the manual. 03.51.20 # As I'm sure you've been directed to before. 03.51.26 # i have... 03.51.29 # i know.. 03.51.33 # So read it. 03.51.51 # but my friend to be quite honest with U...its long..lol i mean bit wordy 03.52.05 # can U perhaps just help me out here. 03.52.05 # :D 03.52.05 # Yes, because it answers many questions 03.52.14 # true say 03.52.20 # We wrote it so that we don't have to answer the same questions over and over and over. 03.52.35 # As well, we wrote channel guidelines that tell you not to use words like "U" but instead to use real English. 03.53.11 # The manual even has an index so you don't have to read the whole thing. 03.53.15 # oppps...see READING is always good right 03.53.20 # Reading is mandatory. 03.53.27 # that too 03.53.28 # If not, you'll get kicked from the channel sooner or later. 03.53.56 # oppps pretty strong rules eh 03.54.59 # As implied by my use of the word "mandatory" 03.55.29 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.58.24 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.107.189) 03.58.52 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@g228002178.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.06.29 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.07.40 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.08.02 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as80576.alshamil.net.ae) 04.10.16 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.10.44 # ok, so that kid's laptop was, well, special 04.10.48 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh8871@dxb-as80576.alshamil.net.ae) 04.10.56 # ran ipodpatcher, took less than 3 seconds 04.11.08 # firsttry: That's about the right speed for it. 04.11.17 # It's not a long process, installing the bootloader. 04.11.30 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.11.39 # rockbox booted, but i accidently started initializing the database 04.11.42 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.11.49 # when that finishes I will see if it is working 04.11.50 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@g228002178.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.12.44 Quit Zarggg_ () 04.13.04 # also out of curiousity does anyone on here know how the battery life in RB3.0 compares to the original firmware? the last version left somethign to be desired, but I like the interface enough to just deal with it! 04.15.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECCC3.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.15.33 # that depends on your device 04.16.37 # oh sorry, it is an ipod video, 30gig 04.16.49 Quit webguest02 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 04.17.39 # You should expect somewhere from 10% less to slightly better depending on usage habits and other things. 04.18.08 # that's whole lot better than before 04.18.39 # has anyone here tried or currently use an olympus m:robe? 04.19.36 # last question before I go have dinner, is it normal when I select something, say artist, for a screen to pop up saying "Searching... 0 found (play/pause to abort" 04.20.00 # I thought that was a problem with my old version, but 3.0 still does it 04.20.08 # firsttry: It's just the way the database works. 04.20.33 # 0 found is the first thing it shows, you have few enough songs that it counts up faster than it updates, and goes to the next screen before it can show you a new value. 04.20.55 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.21.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Read 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Am I doing something wrong? 06.05.21 # You need to use dual boot and charge in the original firmware on the e200 series 06.05.35 # How do I do that? 06.07.04 # Plug in the USB cable with it turned off, is the easiest way. 06.07.55 # I did that. Does it change if its a wall charger? 06.08.12 # It shouldn't. 06.08.21 # I don't remember the dual boot button combination, it should be in the manual though 06.08.34 # I will look it up 06.08.38 # Hold left arrow while booting 06.09.45 # Now when I restart it will it boot in rockbox? 06.10.26 # yes, unless you hold the left arrow again 06.11.02 # Ok! Thanks guys! 06.11.05 Quit Janet09 ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 06.11.10 Quit vitja ("Ex-Chat") 06.14.32 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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10.16.10 # I think it does, but I certainly am not sure 10.21.38 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@88-106-165-155.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 10.22.06 Join fragilematter [0] (n=barbu_do@92.81.246.237) 10.22.50 # * linuxstb reduces the thumb ucl unpack to 166 bytes... 10.23.05 # * linuxstb thinks the ucl author was quite clever ;) 10.23.35 Quit ajonat_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.23.56 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 10.24.20 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 10.24.41 # * fragilematter rejoices, it won't be longe before rockbox will be unleashed upon the sansa v2 world 10.25.46 # fragilematter: This really only opens up the opportunity to *start* development for it. 10.25.53 # Don't hold your breath for audio playback. 10.26.26 # I know, I did my part in the development, now I'm leaving it up to the more experienced hackers to do their part 10.29.57 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-234-148.nyc.res.rr.com) 10.36.32 # fragilematter: There's only one way to get experience... 10.39.35 # If I had the time to concentrate more of my resources in this direction I would gladly get my hands dirty, but unfortunately I can't right now 10.44.05 Quit Nibbler ("Ex-Chat") 10.56.05 Part fragilematter 10.58.37 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85-127-39-81.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 11.00.16 Quit einhirn (SendQ exceeded) 11.01.05 Join fragilematter [0] (n=fragilem@92.81.246.237) 11.03.10 Quit cool_walking_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.04.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.47 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 11.09.54 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-62-18.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.17.13 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-67-132.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.19.26 # funman: Good morning, seen my commit from a few minutes ago? 11.20.24 Join Benjamin_L [0] (n=50993726@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-972031a8e9bf5d67) 11.20.50 # yes :) 11.21.03 # that must what awakened me 11.24.02 # for the v29 firmware we are off by 4 bytes :/ 11.24.29 # in the tango mailing list they get also mentioned, but they are not attached 11.24.46 # seems the first message didn't get through 11.25.25 # where do i find the svg icons used for the target icons on the download page, maybe I'm blind ^^ 11.25.26 # funman: As I mention in the comments in mkamsboot.c, we can fix that (by relocating the ucl function to another part of RAM), but for the first version, I think we should keep it in the padding. 11.26.02 # linuxstb: also I wonder how we can ensure that when decompressing the ucl data, we will not overwrite the source with uncompressed data 11.26.34 # funman: The function is designed not to do that (IIUC). 11.27.07 # Benjamin_L: isn't the svgs in the manual dir somewhere? 11.27.32 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.27.46 # B4gder, I found this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/images/ 11.27.54 # but the are labelled 11.28.00 # *they 11.28.11 # aha 11.28.45 # the pics on the download page were generated and handed to us as images already, so perpahs some hands-on was needed 11.28.55 # pixelma should know 11.29.38 # linuxstb: I see tests depending of 'SAFE' macro, but they would just indicate if it failed (or not) - to investigate 11.30.00 # maybe we can calculate a worst case in mkamsboot 11.30.35 # A worst case for what? 11.30.36 # B4gder: Seems the pngs do as icons in my ubuntu just fine, thanks! 11.32.18 # linuxstb: decompressed_size(i) > offset_of_compressed_data + compressed_data(i) # where 'i' is the percentage of data already decompressed 11.38.05 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e8daf7b505a87cae) 11.40.06 # linuxstb: what about this extra check : http://paste.ubuntu.com/52775/ ? 11.40.45 Quit Benjamin_L ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.41.07 # also you didn't put keypress code in test.S, was it on purpose? 11.54.14 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.55.09 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.56.15 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.56.29 Join crazy_bus [0] (n=philip@58.165.214.67) 11.57.57 # I added this export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin to .bashrc so I could compile rockbox. However now when I open the terminal I get a page of info like this declare -x LS_COLORS="no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=......... do I have to have that if I want to compile? 11.59.30 # funman: I just wanted to keep test.S as simple as possible for the first test. 11.59.37 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.111) 12.00.31 # okay this is strange. I hashed the line. Then exited. Then unhashed it and now the info is gone. 12.00.33 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 12.00.49 # funman: Regarding your patch to extract_fw.c - I think that makes sense. Maybe we should also check checksums etc, just to confirm it's the right file. 12.02.20 # funman: But I think when mkamsboot.c is eventually moved into "tools", we can link it with the uclpack code directly, so we don't need a separate extract_fw.c or external call to the uclpack binary. 12.04.18 # and remove that scary message from uclpack ;) 12.04.28 # ;) 12.05.01 # * linuxstb wonders if there are any ARM emulators we could use to run this code in... 12.05.22 # I know of one : 'my friend with an e200' 12.05.48 # Good enough - although it will be hard to find bugs if it doesn't work... 12.05.56 # there is not a lot of factors, the code appears fine at a first (human) sight 12.06.02 # linuxstb: maybe qemu? never tried it. 12.06.41 # maybe skyeye 12.06.49 # funman: One thing I wasn't sure about is the parameters passed to the ucl function. I've set r0 and r1 as the src and dst, but didn't set r2 (the pointer to the uncompressed length). We need to check the code isn't writing to "*r2" 12.07.54 # linuxstb: dst is r2 12.08.02 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.08.13 # I'm trying to build a rockbox simulator for the first time. But I get this error before make dies. Is there anything to do? /rockbox/build/apps/language.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format 12.09.24 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 12.10.06 # funman: Ah yes, it seems it doesn't use the same params as the C version... 12.10.14 # (or at least, the Rockbox C version...) 12.10.17 # crazy_bus: 'make clean' first perhaps? 12.10.39 # funman: So that's bug #1... 12.10.45 # :) 12.11.19 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 12.11.32 # qemu-arm expects elf programs 12.11.46 # thanks B4gder 12.12.26 Join vitja [0] (n=vitja@79.120.98.174) 12.12.30 # crazy_bus: Don't mix target & sim builds, or different targets/sims in a build dir. Use one build dir per sim or target. 12.13.27 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-237-62-18.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.13.40 # thanks for the tip amiconn 12.17.01 # skyeye also expect elf files 12.23.26 Join safetydan [0] (n=safetyda@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 12.23.58 # this is also probably obvious. But is there anyway to get give the compiled simulator to a person on the same os? Should I just compress the build directory or is there a command? 12.24.18 # the content of 'skyeye.conf' seems to be top secret .. 12.25.42 # funman: Fix for bug #1 committed... 12.26.10 # thanks ! 12.26.56 # Looking at the code, I think it's safe to ignore r3 (plen_dst) - I've commented out the code that writes to it. 12.26.57 # crazy_bus: the 'archos' dir and the executable are all they need I think. 12.27.13 # I agree with that 12.28.14 # thanks markun 12.29.02 # crazy_bus: which OS are you using? 12.29.31 # linux, kubuntu 8.04 12.31.38 # funman: What V2 device(s) do you own? I just have a Clip. 12.31.43 # same 12.31.55 # well I have 2, but only 1 is usable :'( 12.32.08 # fragilematter: ping 12.32.13 # pong 12.32.15 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 12.32.40 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 12.32.44 # would you mind testing the compressed bootloader? 12.32.44 # funman: Yes, luckily they are fairly cheap... 12.32.51 Quit safetydan ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 12.33.15 # funman: I think I want to run the code safely somewhere first. Either on an e200v2, or adapting it to do something similar on another ARM target. 12.33.18 # give me a sec to svn up 12.33.34 # funman: But the more I look at the code, the more confident I feel... 12.33.56 Quit coatman (Remote closed the connection) 12.34.03 # I also felt confident before finding bug #1 :) 12.34.36 # fragilematter: I am looking at an ARM emulator if you want to wait a bit, to remove 1 chance of having to open your e200 12.34.47 # :)) 12.35.06 # okay, in the mean time I'll compile uclpack, it seems I have to do that separately\ 12.35.10 # * linuxstb realises funman's question was directed to fragilematter... 12.35.21 # fragilematter: Just typing "make uclpack" in tools/ should do it 12.35.22 # LinusN: To extract my current H300 bootloader, do I use "Dump ROM contents"? It gives me a 4MB file 12.35.43 # linuxstb: yes sorry for confusing you ^^ 12.35.53 # I just scramble that, and it should be good to go...? 12.35.55 # i ran make in uclpack's dir and it worked 12.36.01 # funman: So entering the e200v2 recovery mode involves shorting NAND pins? i.e. there's no key shortcut? 12.36.12 # none was found so far 12.36.13 # linuxtsb: not yet 12.36.21 Join coatman [0] (n=coatman@r01jvgmb7.device.mst.edu) 12.36.30 # unless you seriously brick the of (we only made it once :)) ) 12.36.33 # maybe a good eye can trace the connections and find one 12.36.38 # pondlife: i think so 12.36.42 # heh 12.36.51 # think isn't quite enough ;) 12.36.55 # :-) 12.37.03 # i could try it on my player first... 12.37.23 # Might be safest, seeing as I have no unbrick hardware. 12.37.36 # * linuxstb hands pondlife a large brandy 12.37.45 # I want to get the current bootloader backed up, then I can try the current SVN one...! 12.37.51 # * fragilematter will be right back 12.37.54 # (or even the 3.0 one) 12.39.56 Join tucoz [0] (i=528612c1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef5e88cff7aa82b2) 12.41.09 # B4gder: just fyi, the svg's are labelled. But the labels is in a layer of its own, so its easy to get rid of those with inkscape. 12.41.12 # * fragilematter is waiting with the e200 in one hand and the modded firmware in the other for funman's approval 12.41.54 # * funman is fighting with a chinese software 12.42.37 # * fragilematter hands funman a bigger gun 12.44.57 # I downloaded a prebuilt simulator http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ from here. But all the .rock files are a lot smaller. Even with the fonts deleted it's 20.8 vs 6.8mb's. I know there's was from the 9th of sep. But is there any other reason? 12.45.20 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21A74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.45.55 # crazy_bus: those are for windows, aren't they? 12.45.58 Part tucoz 12.46.25 # yes. That must be it 12.52.19 # crazy_bus: I'm making a gigabeat sim build to see how big it is on my freebsd machine 12.53.41 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 12.53.43 # fragilematter: If you can recover from a bad firmware, I would say to try it now, but I'm impatient ;) 12.54.42 # I can recover, but I cracked the case open lots of times by now and I don't want to damage the plastic threads in wich the faceplate screws are tightened 12.55.07 # so if I can avoid bricking the sansa I'm a happy camper :)) 12.57.50 # crazy_bus: my archos folder is 39MB 12.57.56 # here's the make output if you want to check it out, I think I'll go for it if you say it's ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/52793/ 12.58.03 # well I have trouble with skyeye's memory configuration 12.58.32 # markun: interesting 12.58.36 # fragilematter: reading that output, if you are not doing a backup of your e200 firmware it's ok :o) 12.59.08 # I have the firmware backed up since the old ages ;) 12.59.09 # markun: I wonder why the nix's are so much bigger than windows (mine was a bit smaller than that with fonts left in) 12.59.19 # so, should I go for flashing? 12.59.27 # Hello, is anyone else having any problems exiting out of the microphone recording in Sansa c2xx in Rockbox 3 stable? Or is it just my player randomly freezing since last evening? 12.59.37 # if you prefer to wait testing in an emulator first, no. 12.59.51 # I like the adrenaline 13.00.47 # last chance to back out, unmounting the disk and unplugging the cable... 13.01.31 # update in progress 13.01.52 # completed, let's try it out 13.02.19 # * funman vanishes 13.02.27 # * linuxstb hides behind funman 13.03.12 # don't forget there is a minimal 5 seconds delay + the time needed for decompression (should be very fast anyway) 13.03.22 # * fragilematter credits funman for being a true killer... he killed fragilematter's e200 once again 13.03.32 # :( 13.03.42 # JdGordon: during the last week or two, there have been several reports from people who get a Data Abort after upgrading to a new version. They all have automatic resume turned on. Can this be related to your recent changes? 13.03.58 # * linuxstb wonders why funman was blamed ;) 13.04.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.04.25 # fragilematter: Can you upload your patched firmware file somewhere? 13.04.25 # gevaerts: umm.. yeah if we stuffed up the version check on the "vnram" settings 13.04.27 # because funman always carries a full clip :D 13.06.28 # JdGordon: I'll try to reproduce this tonight 13.06.37 # vitja: ping 13.06.50 # gevaerts: here 13.06.53 # oh I can use skyeye 13.07.21 # I just can't return from start, because it will put the emulated system in a undefined state 13.07.36 # gevaerts: are we going to use more than one interface at time? 13.07.48 # Yes. That works now, so... 13.08.03 # I've actually used usb serial to debug mass storage 13.08.15 # linuxstb: do you want my skyeye config ? 13.08.18 # hmm... what's the best way to solve? 13.08.30 # tcc7xx have only 4 endpoints.. 13.08.41 # 4+control, or 4 total? 13.08.57 # control and bulk-in, bulk-out and interrupt 13.08.58 # funman: Sure, but I have no time to try it now (I should be working...). 13.09.34 # ok, give me your email then 13.09.36 # gevaerts: btw I have bulk working, I even read first blocks of flash once ) 13.09.40 # You can't choose between bulk and interrupt on a specific endpoint? 13.09.42 # gevaerts: are you planning to work on the USB driver for the D2? 13.10.05 # gevaerts: think so 13.10.18 # markun: once vitja's driver works, the d2 should be easy 13.10.21 # gevaerts: but the main problem is ep direction 13.10.38 # gevaerts: and after that the meizu, right? 13.10.52 # may be there should be something like usb_drv_request_endpoint() ? 13.11.22 # that will return ep number and set it config in the driver? 13.11.27 # Good idea. That would also solve the actual endpoint setup. 13.12.22 # gevaerts: how arc driver will work? it can give one ep for in and one for out with the same numbers, that should be ok? 13.12.27 # LinusN: where do you connect your BDM wiggler on an H300/H100? Do you actually solder the interface on the CPU? 13.13.33 # vitja: that should work, yes. I can do the arc bit though (and test it...), so don't worry too much about that. 13.14.20 # We'll have to think of a way to let usb_core know which endpoints got allocated by which driver in the end. Maybe a callback there? 13.14.58 # gevaerts: what is that for? 13.15.13 # XavierGr: there are pads for a connector on the PCB, i solder a connector to it 13.15.27 Join lasser [0] (n=chatzill@W8050.w.pppool.de) 13.15.27 # gevaerts: lets introduce usb_storage_init() that will request hw-driver for eps 13.15.45 # gevaerts: and release that when done 13.16.10 # vitja: that's the start, yes. But usb_core_handle_transfer_completion() needs to know about the allocations to call the correct completion handler 13.16.10 # LinusN: How many lines? 13.16.17 # 20 13.17.05 Join webguest17 [0] (n=430aeeaf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c46cf71fd086e9be) 13.17.43 # so may be usb_core_request_ep(type, dir, callback) is better it will call usb_drv_reqeust_ep? 13.17.47 # XavierGr: http://download.rockbox.org/device-pictures/iriver/front.jpg right below the lcd on the left 13.17.51 # LinusN: Do you think that something like this could work: http://www.cvs.cx/Documents/CFPOD.pdf 13.18.18 # vitja: that's probably the cleanest, yes. 13.18.30 # hmm. I have a e200 and a theme called Mickey puts Mickey mouse on screen with moving hands (this is a default build). But I built a e200 sim on my machine and put the theme in. The backdrop is the same but the wps screen is just the main menu backdrop with no moving hands. Why is this? 13.18.47 # vitja: if you don't get to it first, I'll do that tonight 13.19.15 # LinusN: ah I see, must be a little tricky to solder wires there, though you mentioned a connector. 13.19.22 # crazy_bus: by the way, the windows sim plugins are much smaller because they are stripped 13.19.29 # XavierGr: yes i use a connector 13.19.42 # i solder a connector to the pads 13.20.30 # * fragilematter resurrected his e200v2 and now goes to cast a nasty voodoo spell on funman :)) then he asks funman if he has anything else to test 13.20.39 # gevaerts: ok 13.20.57 # LinusN: sounds interesting, is it a standard connector that can be found easily? 13.21.11 # yes 13.21.33 # fragilematter: Can you leave it open and still test things? 13.21.44 # yep, that's what I did 13.22.02 # I wonder if arm 920 & arm 922 have the same instruction set 13.22.25 # funman: there shouldn't be any huge differences 13.22.55 # yes but I'm emulating 920, so if there is at least 1 instruction not supported by 920 used by our code, it will fail 13.23.15 # try it anyways, what have you got to lose? 13.23.38 # it it works - great, if it doesn't - verify everything properly 13.23.42 # XavierGr: http://se.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=9786350 13.24.26 # XavierGr: however, the P&E wiggler uses a standard pin header, so you need to build an adapter 13.24.52 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@nmd.sbx09467.newyony.wayport.net) 13.24.56 # markun: How hard would it be to enable interrupts on the meizu, knowing that we don't have lcd yet to make debugging easy? 13.25.16 # hello, how can I update my last.fm from the songs I have listened to in my sansa c250? please advise (links are welcome) 13.25.17 # the cfpod will most certainly work, since it is made to be compatible with the P&E wiggler i use 13.25.26 # QTCrobbler 13.25.31 # *QTScrobbler 13.25.56 # kushal_12_27_200: Have a look in google - it is on sourceforge and also has a last.fm group 13.26.09 # * linuxstb thinks we should probably strip the UCL header.... 13.26.42 # gevaerts: you could start on your M3 with the LCD code from 'denes' 13.26.56 # when he shows up again 13.27.04 # Indeed. 13.27.09 # LinusN: nice to hear that, I came by it accidentally and since it has a full schematic I started thinking of building one. 13.27.14 # Thank you, Bigbambi, found it now 13.27.26 # It would be fun to have usb serial to help debugging lcd :) 13.27.44 Quit avis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.28.04 # LinusN: it won't be an easy task though and since my equipment is limited in "spaghetti" wire I don't know if I will be capable of doing it 13.28.38 # but it is an interesting project and a very good failsafe for irivers :P 13.28.44 # building this, and attaching it to the player is not trivial 13.29.20 # XavierGr: fyi, i built a usb bdm wiggler, but it doesn't work for me 13.29.58 # heck, i don't even know if my p&e wiggler works anymore, and i am supposed to unbrick petur's player - i'm just too busy nowadays 13.30.23 # LinusN: I see... well if YOU didn't manage to build one that works then I guess my chances are drastically lower. 13.30.23 # * gevaerts gets back to work 13.30.39 # LinusN: thanks for the info anyway. 13.31.18 # fragilematter: Can you apply this patch to mkamsboot.c, then type "make clean" (just to be safe), then "make" and try again? http://www.pastebin.ca/1215704 13.31.33 # well, i built it and seems functional, but i never managed to connect to the 5249, it may be because the wiggler s/w may have to be tweaked 13.31.37 # right away 13.32.59 # linuxstb can you post that on paste.ubuntu.com, I seem to have a routing problem with pastebin.ca 13.33.34 # LinusN: I will ask my local dealer if I can find the Xilinx CPLD. Then depedning on my mood I could just start the project. But yeah it is difficult and I am not sure I would be able to cope 13.33.43 # fragilematter: Does this link work? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mkamsboot.diff 13.34.09 # yep 13.35.30 # linuxstb: emulating with this patch will give me this error: 13.35.33 # SKYEYE:Error in mem_read_word, no bank found, NumInstrs 12462155, mem_read_word addr = c80f0014 no bank 13.35.48 # c80f0014 is the cgu_peri register of as3525 13.35.48 # funman: That sounds good - looks like it's running the OF... 13.36.08 # yes, but I expected it to go in an infinite loop instead :/ 13.36.39 # Based on your elf program? 13.36.45 # no 13.36.55 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@79.25.227.83) 13.37.07 # Where did you add the infinite loop? 13.37.18 # http://paste.ubuntu.com/52803/ 13.37.28 # in test.S , after returning from ucl_unpack 13.37.34 # XavierGr: you need a way to program the cpld... 13.37.40 Part LinusN 13.38.06 # * fragilematter feels that he'll have to ressurect the bricked again 13.38.26 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 13.38.54 # fragilematter: You've tested it? 13.39.05 # yep, it's dead 13.39.35 # funman: Are you able to dump the RAM at 0x0 to see what's now there? 13.39.43 # no 13.39.56 # I don't have a libc (for write()) 13.40.16 # okay guys, I'm out, bbl 13.40.22 # funman: I mean in gdb 13.40.43 # nor a gdb 13.41.05 Quit fragilematter ("Leaving.") 13.41.10 # LinusN: Indeed, I thought that was going to be easy. Must search more first then 13.43.54 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-73-56.vif.net) 13.44.20 # I have one now 13.45.06 # funman: Maybe the "26" wasnt correct for fragilematter's ucl file - it looks right for my Clip file. I need to look at firmware/ucl2src.pl more closely... 13.45.44 Quit crazy_bus (Remote closed the connection) 13.45.46 # If you run ucl2src.pl on firmware_block.ucl, that gives what the Rockbox decompressor.c function requires. 13.45.57 # (and hence, I hope, what our thumb function requires) 13.47.46 # linuxstb: Why don't you just test it on an already working arm target? 13.48.54 # amiconn: I will do if all else fails... But funman seems to be making progress using an arm emulator to test. 13.49.08 Part LinusN 13.49.12 # looks like the process is stuck in the middle of the decompression 13.49.18 # * linuxstb shouldn't really be here either.... 13.49.33 # or that the algorithm used isn't exactly the same 13.49.46 Quit webguest17 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 13.49.56 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 13.51.35 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Ka-chunka") 13.54.26 # funman: How did you discover that? 13.54.28 # http://paste.ubuntu.com/52812/ 13.54.31 # I suppose 13.54.36 # the data is *almost* teh same 13.55.27 # but when I interrupt gdb, the code having been run could have modified what's at offset 0 13.56.34 # well the only difference is in the 0x30 first bytes 13.57.19 # Hmm, the first 4 bytes in memory are set to 0... 13.59.04 # And byte 0x2a is set to 0x28... 13.59.52 # Things marked "Due in 3.0" in the tracker should get bumped... 14.00.03 # A script would be handy. 14.00.28 # Overdue in 3.1? ;) 14.00.35 # hm now I have differences only in the end of the firmware .. 14.00.59 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.01.13 # pondlife: :) 14.03.10 # funman: Have you tried setting a breakpoint at the end of the ucl unpack function? i.e. before you return to your loop? 14.03.19 # nope 14.03.50 # oh we forgot something I guess 14.04.38 # ah no you set the modified size correctly 14.05.52 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 14.08.21 Part pondlife 14.09.47 # linuxstb: Calling convention of rockbox's C version and the arm asm version are not the same. The asm version wants the compressed data length in r1, the C version doesn't need it 14.10.03 # This is probably because the rockbox C version doesn't support multiple blocks 14.11.02 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.11.44 # amiconn: Yes, I've discovered that, and now pass the src length in r1. 14.12.23 # gevaerts: please take a look ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/usb_request_endpoint.patch 14.12.28 # And you probably need to pass a safe address in r3 where it can dump dst_len 14.13.00 # afaics, I've commented out the statement that dumps dst_len 14.14.05 # Hello, is anyone else having any problems exiting out of the microphone recording in Sansa c2xx in Rockbox 3 stable? Or is it just my player randomly freezing since last evening? 14.15.46 # kushal_12_27_200: I suggest trying to reproduce it, and if you can consistently, report a bug. 14.16.46 # funman: I wonder if the "in-place" decompression isn't working as I expected it to... 14.17.04 # i.e. things go wrong at the end... 14.17.09 # ok ... It was working fine after the update in the morning but suddenly started freezing in the r_mic recording screen in the evening (no significant system changes in between) 14.18.37 # kushal_12_27_200: Have you checked the disk for errors? Maybe the filesystem has got corrupted... 14.18.58 # How do I do it? 14.19.43 # On Windows, something like "chkdsk /f e:", on linux, something like "fsck.vfat /dev/sdX1", on OS X, something else... 14.20.48 # You were right, linuxstb! I just verified the disk using disk utility. (Intel Mac OS 10.4.11). disk utility reports that the volume needs repair. 14.22.08 # linuxstb: well I discovered the 'stepi' command of gdb (execute only the next instruction) so we'll be able to debug what's going on 14.22.27 # linuxstb, results here http://pastebin.com/f3d0be34c 14.22.39 # also I'll check how upx use the compression algorithm, maybe try a i386 decompressor 14.23.03 # I have to leave now, we're on the right track 14.23.11 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.23.30 # to use gdb in skyeye, just use -d and connect to it with arm-elf-gdb, (gdb) target remote 127.0.0.1:12345 14.23.34 # funman: The UCL source has an example of "in-place" decryption, but maybe the thumb version doesn't support it. But it sounds like you'll track it down... 14.23.48 # why thumb, btw? 14.23.58 # That's how it came... 14.23.58 # linuxstb, looks funny to me ... http://pastebin.com/f4e74454e 14.24.11 # afaict the decompression seems to be stuck in an infinite loop 14.24.19 # i.e. there was no 32-bit ARM version. But the fact that it's tiny (about 168 bytes) is very helpful to us. 14.24.57 # ok, so the code doesn't have to run in thumb context because of some restriction? 14.25.20 # No 14.25.51 # r1 is 0xffffffff .. ? 14.26.04 # OK, linuxstb, I repaired the disk. Lets see if I can still reproduce the situation 14.26.07 # kushal_12_27_200: I can't help with that - I would probably just reformat it (but be careful not to wipe the firmware partition - just reformat the existing FAT partition) 14.26.54 # linuxstb, wouldn't formatting get rid of the sansa bootloader? 14.27.20 # kushal_12_27_200: No, that's stored in the firmware partition. But as you've now repaired it, forget what I said. 14.27.37 # ok thanks ttyl 14.28.12 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 14.28.51 # funman: When? 14.31.33 # well forever 14.31.55 # in gdb I mean 14.32.13 # I'll try to put breakpoints the next time 14.32.53 # I've put my skyeye config on the forum 14.32.58 # see you later 14.33.04 Quit funman ("leaving") 14.38.04 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.109) 14.38.32 Quit Twisty () 14.45.09 Part B4gder 14.47.11 # vitja: I've had a quick look at it, and I think it's fine. Eventually we will need to specify the transfer type when requesting endpoints, but as long as it's always bulk that would only increase the size. 14.48.00 # gevaerts: I was thinking about type too, and asked that we can do it later 14.48.25 # yes. We'll add that once something needs it 14.49.39 # gevaerts: if you will write usb-drv-arc part we can commit it, so it will be more easy to improve tcc one 14.49.53 # I'll do the arc bits tonight. Do you mind if I commit the infrastructure parts of your patch at the same time? I would prefer not to commit half-working usb code 14.50.20 # gevaerts: sure ;) 14.50.38 # gevaerts: Have you looked at the AMS datasheet? Is the USB hardware there familiar? 14.50.39 # I haven't really looked at your serial changes yet, but I think they need to be in a separate commit anyway 14.50.53 # linuxstb: no. I don't have that one 14.51.47 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 14.53.37 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a04303@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50c5f1c4b4f3a393) 14.55.20 # gevaerts: about serial. once I found that it tries to send negative packets I rewrote ring buffer completly 14.55.45 # gevaerts: then I added recv part, and polling 14.56.05 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.56.05 Join jfc^3 [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 14.56.20 Join HBK- [0] (i=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 14.56.44 Quit HBK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.58.08 # * gevaerts sees that his compilation is done and gets back to work 14.59.49 Join Twst [0] (n=mhesten@242.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) 15.01.13 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net) 15.04.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.10.54 Quit mf0102 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.13.40 Join mf0102 [0] (n=michi@85-127-21-116.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 15.17.47 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181083164.adsl.alicedsl.de) 15.18.05 # linuxstb: There *is* a 32 bit arm version in the upx sources... 15.18.54 # So there is... 15.20.30 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 15.27.48 Quit vitja (Remote closed the connection) 15.30.58 Join fragilematter [0] (n=fragilem@92.81.224.180) 15.31.12 Part LinusN 15.32.37 Join globi [0] (n=Drk@2001:470:1f12:d3:0:0:0:2) 15.35.32 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3022.gwdg.de) 15.41.20 Join Kopfgeldjaeger [0] (n=nicolai@monitor-mode-enabled-on-mon0.phy0.de) 15.44.04 Join SpaceTraveler [0] (n=hatherg@host86-136-157-251.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 15.49.40 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3021.gwdg.de) 15.55.16 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 15.57.55 Join Honey [0] (n=enrico@87.13.46.8) 15.58.51 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 16.00.11 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.36 # * LambdaCalculus37 is looking at kugel's latest patch on FS#6800 16.00.59 # ahh... 16.01.05 # still doesn't work 16.02.03 # J-23 I'm sad to hear that. But it's weird since I recovered more than a dozen of times by now 16.07.26 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 16.08.17 # hooray! 16.08.19 # it works :) 16.08.36 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.08.41 # told you it had to :P 16.09.04 # * J-23 needs to download OF_and_padding.gz through Tor :/ 16.09.10 # now dd the stuff and stop trying test stuff 16.09.21 # still can't get to drop.io? 16.09.25 # yes. 16.09.56 # I'll send it to you if you wanyt 16.10.01 # * J-23 downloads. 16.10.27 # even if I don't have much upload bandwidth it would be faster than tor 16.11.49 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 16.12.36 Quit Acky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.16.53 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3021.gwdg.de) 16.20.52 Quit Honey ("Sto andando via") 16.21.49 # how long should recovery (filling /dev/sdX with of_and_padding.bin) take? 16.22.01 # a couple of minutes max 16.22.12 # done :) 16.22.17 # now what should I do? 16.22.28 # just disconnect my player? 16.22.31 # yep 16.22.49 # then put the pcb on the back plate, connect the battery and try to start it 16.23.41 # boots properly. 16.23.51 # congrats, you made it 16.24.14 # hmm, boots properly when connecting USB 16.24.20 # but doesn't work with battery 16.24.31 # with battery too. 16.24.34 # thanks for help :) 16.25.09 # you're welcome :) 16.26.50 Quit Bawitdaba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.33.37 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-230-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.39.52 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.41.20 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 16.41.21 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.41.27 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-192-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.41.50 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 16.43.37 Quit pixelma2 (Nick collision from services.) 16.43.43 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 16.43.45 Join pixelma2_ [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.43.47 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.50.08 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.55.18 Join Dementio_ [0] (n=dementio@211.45.234.45) 16.55.18 Quit Dementio (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.59.53 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.00.34 Join andy17null [0] (n=932061fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bb8d2ac6cf76320b) 17.01.11 Join lol3izer [0] (i=lol3@72.2.63.189) 17.01.41 # Hey, this sounds pretty cool, but will I lose all the music stored on my iriver H10 20gb hard drive if I flash the Rockbox firmware? 17.02.02 # Nope. 17.03.13 # andy17null: Although hopefully you have a backup and don't trust a portable device to keep working forever... 17.04.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.14 # well I do but it's in America and I'm in Prague and won't have access to that computer till january 17.04.38 # I can't seem to pull the songs off either, since it's an MTP device and Windows seems to treat it very differently 17.04.57 # andy17null: Check out the H10 manual; there's a trick listed to put the device into MSC mode. 17.05.15 # i forgot about that, ty 17.05.36 # The manual is everyone's best friend. ;) 17.08.15 Part fragilematter 17.14.03 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.19.19 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.26.14 # Linus? 17.28.18 Join crash91 [0] (n=7aa23a1d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-badc89ac68ecff58) 17.29.59 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 17.32.37 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-128-18.rev.numericable.fr) 17.32.43 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-238-40.slkc.qwest.net) 17.36.22 Quit crash91 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.41.22 Join fragilematter [0] (n=fragilem@92.83.235.24) 17.44.43 Join DrMoos [0] (i=moos@81-66-128-18.rev.numericable.fr) 17.45.26 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.45.27 Nick DrMoos is now known as moos (i=moos@81-66-128-18.rev.numericable.fr) 17.50.39 Quit lasser ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070200]") 17.53.25 Quit andy17null ("CGI:IRC") 17.55.18 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-210-67.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.00.03 # Hello 18.03.48 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.04.29 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@e212-246-66-148.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 18.08.14 Join Mooloo [0] (n=Mool@i577B4EAD.versanet.de) 18.08.55 # ok, silly question, but new nanos (4g) won't work, or are just not supported? 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19.08.17 Join dpb [0] (n=dpb@unaffiliated/dpb) 19.08.48 # J-23: it depends 19.09.06 # * gevaerts doesn't understand the question 19.09.17 # J-23: largely based on how much time the people have to work on the port and how many surprises they encounter 19.09.36 # J-23: something between weeks and years, no one can predict that... 19.10.31 # gevaerts: I'm going with "How long does it take to have a complete port of Rockbox once the internal rom is hacked(?) and ROLO is ported?" 19.10.44 # domonoky: never could be another option 19.11.20 Quit Siku (Nick collision from services.) 19.11.24 # ameyer: sure, as always no estimates in rockbox development :-) 19.11.25 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@e212-246-66-148.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.11.58 # * J-23 puts his glass orb on his desk ;) 19.12.20 # My iriver H340 only boots RB if I go into USB Bootloader mode first, if anyone has guesses about what'd cause that, speak up. My guess is something in ata-init() 19.14.22 Join lol3izer_ [0] (n=lol3@72.2.63.189) 19.16.58 # * ameyer wonders how long the battery in his sansa has left after 14 hours or so of battery life testing 19.18.13 Quit mf0102 (Remote closed the connection) 19.18.48 Quit neddy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.57 Quit Wictor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.20.08 Join Wictor [0] (n=Wictor@0x57366a52.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) 19.20.43 # bill2or3: The "ata error -1" you've reported is being displayed by the bootloader? (i.e. not Rockbox itself after the bootloader has loaded it?) 19.21.10 # LambdaCalculus37: So, do you like the patch? :) 19.21.34 # linuxstb, that is correct. 19.21.45 # bill2or3: As the people who can help (probably just LinusN) are not around often, I would open a flyspray bug report giving all the information you can about it. (unless you've done that already...) 19.22.16 # I haven't, but I'll figure out how and do it tonight. 19.22.21 # * bill2or3 is just a user, really. 19.22.48 # I did find the code that generates that message, but cant figure out what triggers that clause, exactly. 19.23.37 Quit joe2371 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.28.42 # kugel: It's working very nicely. :) 19.29.04 # I've read you took a look at the patch 19.30.51 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4D92A.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.30.52 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.31.37 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 19.33.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 19.33.40 # LambdaCalculus37: are you also surprised how a relatively small feature like backlight fading has a rather big impact on the experience? 19.34.00 # kugel: Indeed. 19.34.57 # kugel: Only one thing needs to be fixed on the patch... all instances of "Arbeitskopie" should probably be replaced with "Working copy". 19.35.10 # I remember when the patch was out of sync a while ago (I couldn't sync it myself back in that time, now I'm even expanding it to other targets :o ). I couldn't use it for some month, and it just wasnt the same 19.35.15 # But I don't think it'll make much of a difference, as long as the patch applies clean. 19.35.46 # well, that's what my german version of svn diff does. It doesn't make difference though 19.36.55 # I believe all my patches that have been accepted said "Arbeitskopie", it doesn't need to be fixed 19.37.22 Quit fragilematter ("bye") 19.38.11 # I'm having trouble getting rockbox installed on my 30GB iPod... When I try to boot it, it just keeps saying Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod: File not found, it surely is in the second partition .rockbox/ directory.. I couldn't find anything in the faqs. Any ideas? 19.38.48 # kugel: Okay. 19.38.52 # dpb: IIRC Rockbox does only look in the first partition 19.39.23 # the first fat one 19.39.37 # dpb: How did you install? Manually or with Rockbox Utility? 19.39.39 # kugel: The iPod manuals say different. 19.39.48 # LambdaCalculus37: manually 19.40.23 # dpb: Well I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure, that at least the bootloader doesn't support multiple partitions 19.40.44 # kugel: There are two partitions on most iPods... the first is the "firmware" partition, and the second is the main "storage" partition. 19.40.52 # dpb: Try using Rockbox Utility. 19.40.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 19.41.06 # LambdaCalculus37: the firmware partition isn't fat32 though 19.41.17 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.41.17 Quit lol3izer_ (Connection timed out) 19.41.19 # "kugel> the first fat one" 19.41.33 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 19.42.18 # kugel: Well I was talking about the real partitions. Not just the fat partitions. :) 19.42.23 # LambdaCalculus37: I'll try that. 19.42.39 Quit lol3izer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.42.39 # kugel, the first fat partition on ipods is the second one, so that should be right... 19.42.56 # dpb: And make sure to read the manual... there's a quiz coming up on it. ;) 19.43.19 # domonoky: I'm aware of that, but dpb sounded like he would have a second "storage" partition 19.43.43 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 19.43.59 # dpb: sorry then 19.44.27 # jhMikeS: ping 19.44.44 # Hrmm, this Rockbox Utility says my configuration is invalid.. 19.45.29 # dpb: read to the the end of the message :-) thats normal on first start of rbutil, as you have not configured it.. 19.45.34 # That's normal the first time you run it. 19.45.36 Quit pixelma2_ ("-") 19.45.39 # dpb: doesn't it also say that's due to running it for the first time? 19.45.39 # * LambdaCalculus37 is too slow :) 19.45.47 # * kugel too 19.45.49 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.46.23 # Well, it says it all the time. Even after I "configure" it. 19.47.02 # domonoky: What does that warning actually mean? Is it that there is no local configuration file (how/where is that stored), or that one was found, and it was invalid? 19.47.09 # Ah. Needs to be run as root.. :) 19.47.17 # * linuxstb finds it odd... 19.47.38 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.47.42 # linuxstb: I get that message as well, usually from running RBUtil without the listed DAP connected to my computer. 19.47.45 # then your are not correctly configureing it.. use autodetection, and/or set your device and mountpoint.. 19.47.58 # and yes for ipods it needs root access.. 19.48.01 Join mmornati [0] (n=mmornati@host56-116-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.48.11 # hi guys... 19.48.26 # I've a question for you... because I don't really understand reading on the site... 19.48.40 # linuxstb: its not the stored config, but rbutil detected that the mointpoint is invalid, or it doesnt have a device selected.. 19.48.41 # domonoky: _may need_ root access... That depends on users/groups etc. 19.48.44 # creative devices are supported from rockbox? 19.48.50 # domonoky: Then why doesn't it say that? 19.49.44 # isnt it that what it says ? the configuration is invalid. (not meaning a file, but the current activ configuration) 19.50.23 # mmornati: No. There is work-in-progress to port Rockbox to some creative devices, but it's still in the early stages, and I think it's still only suitable for developers to hack on, rather than users to test/use. 19.51.27 # Ok... is it possibile to have a "guide" (line guide) about firmware porting? 19.51.47 # I think I could help you with my two creative devices... 19.51.54 # LambdaCalculus37: Using the utility didn't help. It still gives me the file not found error. 19.51.56 # (surely I'm a developer :P) 19.52.01 # There's a PortingHowTo wiki page 19.52.15 # dpb: is this a 5th gen or a 5.5th gen ipod? 19.52.22 # 5.5th 19.52.37 # okkey 19.52.39 # * gevaerts guessed that :) 19.52.59 # (afaik) 19.53.08 # mmornati: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort You probably want to read the forum threads (in the New Ports sub-forum) about the Creative devices, to see what the current status is. 19.53.57 # sure... I have just started looking on rockbox web site... and I thought faster way to have a response on this was asking on channel! :) 19.53.58 # domonoky: What about just saying "No devices found" instead of "configuration invalid" ? 19.54.18 # now I starting to read lot of documentation and forum threads 19.54.39 # dpb: can you download bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369#comment25959 and install that using "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" ? 19.54.41 # anyway it's a really good project... 19.54.47 # linuxstb: that's not true either 19.54.55 # mmornati: Also, only one or maybe two developers are working on it, and they're not always around here. Most of us don't have a clue about the status of the Creative ports. 19.55.07 # gevaerts: Why not? 19.55.48 # do you know names of those developers? 19.55.48 # linuxstb: ok, technically it's true. However, it didn't find devices because it didn't search yet 19.56.29 # gevaerts: OK, but that's what the second part of the message is for - to tell the user they need to help rbutil find their device. 19.56.38 # mmornati: have a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=16.0 19.58.43 # gevaerts: tried that, no help 19.58.47 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 20.00.22 # linuxstb: have you seen the message shown by newer versions of rbutil? 20.01.02 # gevaerts: I've just looked at the source code - is this it? "Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuation dialog will now open to allow you to correct the problem." 20.01.15 # dpb: weird. I would expect that to help. Did you format the FAT partition from linux? 20.01.26 # gevaerts: yes 20.01.35 # using mkfs.vfat? 20.01.40 # yes 20.01.56 # linuxstb: on first start I get "This is a new installation of Rockbox Utility, or a new version. The configuration dialog will now open to allow you to setup the program, or review your settings." 20.02.10 # dpb: can you try again using mformat? 20.02.32 # where can I find mformat? :) 20.03.31 # It's in the mtools package 20.04.05 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.04.13 # Got it 20.04.24 # gevaerts: Hmm, I would perhaps just not display that message at all, and go straight to the configuration dialog. 20.04.46 # But that wasn't the message dpb was reporting. 20.05.01 # linuxstb: I don't care much. I just rephrased that message a while ago 20.05.36 # How do I find out the drive letter to give to mformat? 20.05.59 # I think you need to add it to /etc/mtools.conf 20.06.33 # dpb: in /etc/mtools.conf add a line like 'drive a: file="/dev/sdwhatever2"' 20.07.01 # * domonoky would find it nice, if *others* find time to polish rb a little, it could need some love :-) 20.07.13 # s/rb/rbutil/ 20.12.04 # Yes! That got it to work. Thanks a lot. :) 20.12.30 # * gevaerts summons wpyh 20.13.42 Quit Darksair ("zzz...") 20.16.38 # LambdaCalculus37: So, do you plan to keep fs#6800 in your "custom" build, or help getting it into svn? 20.17.21 # kugel: I would like to get it into SVN, but I would like that the devs take a look at it first. 20.17.51 # sure, that's why I said "help" 20.19.47 # kugel: It doesn't appear to have broken anything else. I was playing music on my beast with the patch still applied and playback and performance were unaffected. How is performance on your Sansa? 20.21.07 # similarly 20.21.57 # My c240 is performing very nicely, too. 20.22.01 # * pixelma wonders why the pegbox greyscale graphics are all named "x4" in the colour depth part and also why the "pieces" one exists - it is monochrome after all 20.22.30 # It's performing so well, since it uses the backlight thread nicely 20.22.34 # pixelma: I was wondering about that myself. Perhaps someone goofed when naming them? 20.22.49 Join fragilematter [0] (n=fragilem@92.83.235.24) 20.23.24 # kugel: I can't close patches on FS, but I think it should go in since it doesn't appear to affect performance on the targets it's intended for. 20.23.36 # * gevaerts was wondering how much FS#6800 increases the binsize, but as he's planning some work that will most probably also increase it, he'll shut up ;) 20.23.53 # gevaerts: Want to try it out to see? 20.24.09 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.24.16 # I'm probably going to change them all anyways so maybe there is a chance to rename them (if there is no specific reason they should stay this way) 20.24.26 Quit SpaceTraveler () 20.24.42 # * LambdaCalculus37 can't think of a reason why 20.24.46 # it should actually slightly decrease binary size on the beast, since it's removing the HAVE_LCD_ENABLE #define as a side effect 20.24.53 # "all" was the wrong term - put the pices ones 20.25.12 # pieces too 20.25.23 Quit mmornati ("Leaving") 20.25.33 # kugel: #defines don't get into compiled code 20.25.55 # gevaerts: but the code resulting of defines 20.26.11 # as in the stuff between #ifdef and #endif 20.26.26 # * bluebrother feels like reading basic programming course 20.26.36 # I talked to jhMikeS who told HAVE_LCD_ENABLE isn't implemented at all 20.27.01 # kugel: There's only one way to find out. Compile with and without, and compare rockbox-info.txt 20.27.18 # * gevaerts doesn't care either way. The delta won't be huge anyway 20.27.41 # gevaerts: the size was reduced, but I had the lcd fade changes appied, so I didn't compare with a clean svn 20.27.57 # some 100bytes 20.28.28 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.29.27 # I'd still prefer backlight_fade_state to be an enum 20.29.40 # gevaerts: ah right, that should be changed 20.30.11 # kugel: Make backlight_fade_state to an enum, and post a new patch. 20.30.21 # gevaerts: Would an enum keep the binsize low? 20.30.48 # LambdaCalculus37: enums disappear once the code is compiled. They're just integer types 20.31.14 # gevaerts: Ahh. 20.32.38 # LambdaCalculus37: http://www.embedded.com/columns/programmingpointers/9900402?_requestid=383387 20.34.08 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.34.48 Quit Wictor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.34.59 Join Wictor [0] (n=Wictor@0x57366a52.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) 20.35.14 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=BobJonkm@206.208.226.139) 20.37.20 # kugel: any reason why sansa _backlight_on() and _backlight_off() can't just call _backlight_set_brightness_helper() now? 20.38.02 # kugel: then _backlight_fade_down() doesn't need to have the first if() anymore, and it can drop the _backlight_off() call from the second if() I think 20.38.28 # gevaerts: Well, that'd be the svn way, without fading :) 20.38.35 # Why? 20.38.52 # helper sets the brightness 20.39.00 # without fading 20.39.39 # Yes, so _backlight_on() and _backlight_off() can call that instead of calling pp_i2c_send() directly 20.39.43 # the actual design of the code isn't mine anyway, I just adapted it to beast 20.40.08 # * gevaerts is probably wrong on the _backlight_fade_down() thing. 20.40.44 # kugel: that's not major anyway. I'd prefer to see only one pp_i2c_send() call, but very probably others disagree 20.42.13 # gevaerts: for e200 I created the helper, that helped me porting to beast (the beast needs the helper). I decided to keep it that way for consistency 20.42.34 # the e200 actually did it the way you proposed in the previous versions 20.43.49 Join lasser [0] (n=chatzill@W8050.w.pppool.de) 20.44.08 # uhh, they still do 20.44.24 Part dpb 20.45.00 # wait, I'm confused 20.46.19 # Ahh, I read your sentence wrong. Well, your suggestion sounds fine :) 20.47.59 # gevaerts: Sorry, I'm a bit tired today. 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Since yesterday I own an iriver H10 5GB and everything works fine. So I was testing the FM radio and noticed there is no preset file for Hamburg. So I created one. Since I do not plan to contribute anymore than this I'm looking for a way to just get this file added to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsEurope without creating an account. What do you recommend to do? 21.53.24 Quit Siku () 21.54.05 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 21.54.31 # vollkorn: we have a real name policy with contributions which is why we require accounts 21.58.37 # scorche: So it's okay to register for an account just for contributing a FM presets file? I was hesitating a bit since it says "Please do not register if you don't plan to contribute." 21.58.38 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.01 # vollkorn: Contributing once counts ;) 21.59.03 # well, you are contributing *something*, no? ;) 21.59.23 Ctcp Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts 21.59.55 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 22.00.15 # Okay, cool with me :) 22.02.38 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@91-66-43-68-dynip.superkabel.de) 22.03.34 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 22.04.14 # * gevaerts doesn't like the delta for his current tree 22.05.24 Quit Mathiasdm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.06.15 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 22.06.56 # gevaerts: What's the damage? (and for what?) 22.07.57 # linuxstb: nearly 600 bytes, for reorganising the USB code to allow it to handle the tcc controller better 22.08.20 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21A74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.08.29 # 600 bytes might be OK for a feature, but for pure refactoring that's too much 22.08.33 Join jeffdameth1 [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-091-096-032-077.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.08.48 # I registered at the wiki now. My wiki name is JanGirlich. Could I get write permission to add my preset file, please? 22.10.23 # vollkorn: Done. 22.10.32 Join sandsmark [0] (i=sandsmar@cassarossa.samfundet.no) 22.10.42 # how do I upgrade my rockbox installation? 22.11.05 # sandsmark: just install a newer build 22.11.10 # oh, ok 22.11.39 # in Rockbox Utility use the installation tab, then simply "Install Rockbox" 22.12.05 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3052.gwdg.de) 22.12.59 # ok, seems to work nicely =) 22.15.58 # the theme installer doesn't work, I take it? 22.17.23 Join embrion [0] (n=no@chello089077145236.chello.pl) 22.17.37 # sandsmark: thats why it gives that message ;) 22.17.49 Join ea_suter [0] (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) 22.18.17 # hi, main rockbox site is up, but forums are definetly down 22.18.37 # i am aware.. 22.19.07 # ok 22.19.27 # hi there 22.20.12 # i've just got myself an e280 22.20.23 # and it (unfortunately) appears o be a v2 22.20.40 # so how can i participate in the porting iniciative?? 22.21.01 # ea_suter: check the v2 thread in the forum 22.21.12 # oh bugger, I think that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS should be updated - somebody actually followed that guide... 22.21.32 # well, i was trying to look at the forums, but i cant access the pages 22.21.33 Join webguest69 [0] (n=56936943@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e415d2c413ee8816) 22.21.53 # is the forum down or something? 22.22.01 # yes it is down 22.22.24 # scorhe put the poor thing to sleep for a while 22.22.30 # scorche even 22.23.16 # ea_suter: how you can help to v2 port depends on if you can code for ex 22.23.19 # ea_suter, you can also have a look at the currently documented information on the wiki, for example the SansaV2 page 22.23.22 # don't know if you know about it, but Leo has stated that they are going to cover Rockbox on FLOSS weekly (in about 40 mins on http://live.twit.tv) 22.23.23 Quit scorche|sh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.23.30 Quit jeffdameth (Connection timed out) 22.23.37 # webguest69: Yes, Llorean is going to be interviewed 22.23.46 # Cool! 22.24.38 # embrion: ea_suter: it should be back now... 22.24.58 # how do you mean "code for x"? 22.25.28 # * bertrik guesses "code for example" 22.25.33 Quit webguest69 (Client Quit) 22.26.03 # scorche: thx, betrik: good guess 22.26.16 # *bertrik, sorry 22.26.38 # embrion: dont thank me...i killed it in the first place... 22.26.43 # * scorche weeps for his uptime 22.27.01 # embrion: please use complete words 22.27.08 # "it's alive!" 22.27.35 # scorche: i believe you had a good couse 22.28.09 # regarding http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS : do we want themes uploaded to the wiki or theme site (don't know the status of the themes site) 22.29.09 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 22.29.34 Join scorche|sh [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 22.29.55 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-1ddaa1d5d82381c4) 22.30.28 # just delete that page or let it only contain a link to the wpsgallery 22.30.53 # petur: Well, one question is "Do we want themes in SVN?" too. 22.31.00 # IMO we want to use the theme site once its done 22.31.05 # at least until the status of the theme site is known* 22.31.35 # also, shouldn't the themes in svn be available for all targets? I know this currently isn't true ... 22.31.58 # Iḿ just wondering regarding FS 9433 - he really followed the wiki page but I do not think it is for svn inclusion 22.32.08 # bluebrother: I don't think that's necessary. 22.33.01 Quit freqmod_qu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.37.02 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 22.38.23 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.38.41 Quit embrion () 22.39.20 # sorry for my asking, but whats does coding for example mean exactly? 22.39.58 Part BobJonkman 22.40.20 # bluebrother: is it alright to change the file on t.r.o to say something to the effect that "this is expected to fail"? 22.40.31 # might stop all these inquiries we are getting 22.44.19 Quit perplexity ("Lying alone in my room every night, it's you that I see when I turn out the light...") 22.44.25 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 22.44.42 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 22.45.12 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-2c2ccd664d0bb53c) 22.49.10 Join aaaaa [0] (n=dementor@81.180.156.139) 22.50.00 # hy i need some help 22.50.22 # aaaaa: We ask you to ask, not to ask to ask 22.50.51 # i have a1g ipod nono and i instal rockbox 22.50.55 # linuxstb: Wow, that's a sentence of the day. ;) 22.51.05 # but how do i put video on him 22.51.11 # aaaaa: There 22.51.25 # aaaaa: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer 22.51.29 # aaaaa: There's a Wiki page with plenty of intructions. 22.51.32 # aaaaa: how can you be sure its a him? 22.51.51 # linuxstb: Jeez, beat me to it.... ;) 22.52.06 # * Strife89 is not typing at his best today. 22.52.21 # blkhawk: english as a second language...many languages use male/female terms 22.52.25 # ok thx if i dot manege can i come back? 22.52.51 # Yeah. 22.53.06 # thx you are a nice guy 22.53.14 # scorche|sh: I meant it as a joke - don't kill the joke 22.53.16 Part ea_suter 22.54.03 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 22.54.20 # gevaerts: so, the helper function would only contain the i2c_send command. Would it better for helper to be inline in this case? 22.54.44 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.54.50 Ctcp Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts 22.55.38 # kugel: making it inline wouldn't hurt, although I would expect the compiler to figure that out 22.56.18 # so it's likely to not matter at all? 22.57.06 # I'd expect so, yes. Of course making it explicitely inline doesn't hurt a lot either, and then you're sure 22.57.07 # It sounds like "it's not guaranteed to help, but if the compiler is stupid it might help some and it shouldn't hurt either way" 22.57.24 # scorche|sh: sure. Just put in any text that is considered helpful 22.58.08 # bluebrother: that could be dangerous ;) 22.58.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseChecklist 22.58.42 # * Strife89 tries putting in "Make it work better." :) 22.58.42 # my first shot 22.58.51 # "if you see this text the autodetection has noticed that Rockbox is nothing for you. Please perform an uninstall immediately"? 23.00.39 # * linuxstb discovers the "overhead" factor when doing in-place ucl decompression... 23.01.00 Quit Strife89 ("Leaving") 23.02.06 # linuxstb: Is it a significant block? 23.02.30 # Bagder: A rbutil that can download the release (I don't know if this is a non-issue going forward) 23.03.05 # BigBambi: Is our rbutil hard-coded to one release right now, or abstracted so we can just post a new one somewhere and it'll use the newest? 23.03.18 # Llorean: Just another bug to fix... 23.03.26 # It shouldn't be a problem, but "testing rbutil" may be good to put in the checklist 23.03.34 # Llorean: I don't know, that's what I was (admittedly obliquely getting at) 23.03.43 # "make sure we have a rbutil version around that can install the new version" 23.03.45 # reposition ) as equired 23.03.49 # just added 23.03.51 # Bagder: yeah :) 23.03.52 # Bagder: Another possibility: Draft a press release so that any pages covering it have some basic "correct" facts about Rockbox they can use. 23.04.15 # good idea 23.04.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.04.42 Quit aaaaa (Remote closed the connection) 23.04.50 # * gevaerts finds that his new and improved memory-wasting code doesn't actually work 23.05.32 # * Llorean can write code that's quite effective at wasting memory. 23.05.44 # * Llorean thinks "failing at wasting memory" might be a good thing... 23.06.05 Quit ompaul (Remote closed the connection) 23.06.22 # Actually the memory wasting bit works. It's the rest that doesn't 23.06.54 # What were you working on? 23.07.32 # Reorganising the USB stack so vitja's work fits in better 23.08.12 # Ah 23.08.22 Join webguest39 [0] (n=465ad286@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-25b0719e91817ff4) 23.08.50 Quit lasser ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070200]") 23.11.04 Quit webguest39 (Client Quit) 23.12.30 # FLOSS Weekly going live RSN 23.12.49 # gevaerts: thanks to you I actually noticed that the i2c_sent command was actually sent twice with brightness = 0 23.12.54 # Bagder: link? 23.13.03 # http://live.twit.tv/ is live video 23.13.12 # flash-based 23.13.18 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.109) 23.13.24 # thanks 23.13.31 # http://67.228.204.146:8000/twit for audio-only flash-free content 23.14.26 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.15.24 # Video won't matter much, since only one of the three voices is on camera anyway. 23.17.07 # Hmm, seems that "in-place" UCL decompression actually requires an extra 32KB of RAM... :( 23.18.11 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.125.115) 23.18.57 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=fyre@cpe-68-173-234-148.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.19.08 Quit webguest81 ("CGI:IRC") 23.23.36 Quit coatman (Remote closed the connection) 23.24.16 Join Twisty [0] (n=mhesten@242.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) 23.27.10 Join coatman [0] (n=coatman@r01jvgmb7.device.mst.edu) 23.30.03 Join webguest54 [0] (n=430aeeaf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a4569ec0dead0c60) 23.33.31 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 23.34.20 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.35.01 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.37.17 Join RandalSchwartz [0] (i=merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn) 23.37.27 # Paul Louden live on live.twit.tv 23.38.30 # yeps, we're on track! 23.39.08 # wow, my code runs in the show.. and it works :-) 23.39.19 # haha 23.39.44 Quit Twst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.40.36 # too bad m1.0.7 doesn't have the new bootloader stuff ;-) 23.40.46 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-67-132.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.40.54 Join ZincAlloy [0] (n=d9eecac7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7bc008fedbf3ae3e) 23.45.12 Quit vollkorn ("(thanks for you help, guys)") 23.49.49 Quit petur ("*plop*") 23.52.30 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.52.31 Join maddler [0] (i=maddler@217-133-171-24.b2b.tiscali.it) 23.53.06 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@141.211.88.159) 23.57.55 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host))