--- Log for 09.10.108 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 3 hours ago 00.00.03 # you can't see them in the virtual keyboard ;-) 00.00.21 # bluebrother: ah lol, well you can count the presses :P 00.00.55 # true, but users will be annoyed about that ;-) 00.01.14 # Maybe better make it a hidden setting :) 00.01.29 # saratoga: will do, if i find the time. your results are quite interesting and promising :-) 00.01.37 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-67629e64b5f9becf) 00.01.42 # bye for now and see you later 00.01.47 Quit Buschel () 00.02.18 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.03.09 # bluebrother: will try to make it tomorrow, seems that way all will be pleased. 00.03.51 # bluebrother, XavierGr imho hidden settings are not nice, I know we have some but i don't think we should add more 00.04.23 # n1s: it can be done as a normal setting too 00.04.44 # n1s: I agree. That comment wasn't meant completely serious 00.04.49 # and I can't say I am in favour of hidden settings 00.04.57 # I would prefer that (even though i will never use it) 00.05.37 # * bluebrother would like to see the inline settings things again A_M did ... like 2 years ago or so 00.07.27 # n1s: my current scrolling problem is that I can't focus on the string, missing the start of it. In the end I can't read it when I don't look closely 00.08.01 # Having a padding in scrolling text (a recognisable pattern or simple space) enables me to recognize the end/start of the string more easily 00.08.08 Join EternalRains [0] (i=4c6adcf1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-41f9460f7f234590) 00.08.17 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 00.08.17 # XavierGr: i don't have that problem as i use a pretty small font and short filenames 00.08.44 # n1s: well obviously you don't use your player in a car and you don't listen to classical music :P 00.08.45 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.55 # i'm not against it at all as i can see it being useful for some 00.09.56 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 00.10.16 # visually impaired users could perhaps benefit too, they are likely to use large fonts so keeping track of start/end will be harder and an easy to recognize pattern would seem practical 00.11.31 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 00.12.10 # yup it turns out to be a good idea 00.12.10 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 00.12.32 # anyway, goodnight! :) 00.12.35 Quit n1s () 00.13.35 # I'm having an idea for a WPS for my c250 using the silk ( http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/previews/index_abc.png [Warning 1MB file!]) icons. For the repeat a-b, do you think I should use one of the arrow_ images or derive something from them? 00.15.47 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.59 # saratoga (logs): Afaics the graphs just show that the cores consume a relatively small part of the total power consumption 00.16.11 # Sleeping them when not in use is still a good thing 00.17.42 # XavierGr: I do use my player(s) in the car and I often do have rather long scrolling lines, yet I never had a problem with the scroll spacing... 00.18.24 Nick MrInternet is now known as purpleposeidon (n=neptunep@adsl-75-62-6-205.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 00.20.29 # saratoga (logs): It would be interesting to do the same test but with wheel lights and audio codec disabled 00.20.52 # That still leaves the RAM as a consumer though 00.23.52 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 00.26.43 Quit bluebrother ("b4n") 00.26.43 Quit maddler (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.46 # * amiconn thinks it would be better to handle mono recording (and the new mode) in pcm instead of the encoders 00.31.08 # re: the scrolling, why not just have a few spaces, let's say...5? why does this need to be a setting? whose needs would 5 spaces not meet? 00.31.56 # Waldo000000: Atm it does just that (3 spaces) 00.33.24 # amiconn: ah. then a setting for the number of spaces would be my vote. don't see any need for any characters other than a space 00.34.27 # * amiconn doesn't see the need for the setting either, but a simple option might not be too bad 00.36.00 # "Spaces between scrolling names", default 3 00.36.21 # (imho) 00.37.47 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 00.38.45 Join sjek [0] (n=foor@82-39-52-184.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.41.20 Quit aurel42 ("Leaving.") 00.41.50 # well that's the problem, spaces are enough for me, but other people would want something else. If it is going to be a setting it wouldn't hurt more to make the user input his string. Binsize wise it should be almost the same 00.42.51 # evening, was on a few days ago. Installed rockbox (latest build) on a 1stgen nano, left it on to charge and it became irresponsive an hour later. No backlight, not recognised by computer, wont boot at all. Tried menu+select for 120s, no response. It was suggested that it was a problem with the battery running too low and I should leave it to charge. It's been charging (from a powered usb hub) for 48 hours, still unresponsive, me 00.45.21 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 00.47.49 Quit ender` (" If you're feeling good, don't worry, you'll get over it.") 00.48.33 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.51.37 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 00.53.48 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-196-147.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.56.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.58.24 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.00.21 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.02.48 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 01.05.44 Nick zodttd is now known as zodttd|away (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 01.07.17 # XavierGr: who are these "other people"? 01.07.39 Part Waldo000000 01.08.42 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 01.11.32 Quit faemir (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.27 Quit sjek () 01.16.27 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.39 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.20.26 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.23 Quit gp_g_ ("Leaving") 01.23.15 Nick zodttd|away is now known as zodttd (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 01.27.36 Join Waldo000001 [0] (n=roy@203-219-228-242-gee-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) 01.27.47 # Bagder, why does my build server appear to always have a "total time" of about half the other servers? I feel as if I'm slacking. ;) 01.33.20 # Waldo00000: fml said he wanted "+++" because winamp does it, also bluebrother said something similar (and later had the idea of custom padding string) 01.33.41 Join kronflux [0] (n=kronflux@blk-138-78-15.eastlink.ca) 01.33.53 Quit kronflux (Client Quit) 01.36.18 # XavierGr: i see. sounds like overkill to me, imho. and i would have thought "+++" would not make it much easier to read. just my two cents 01.37.34 # I've already written code for pixel width setting, so adapting it to a custom string shouldn't be so difficult. 01.38.35 Join MndFlayr [0] (n=klex@c-67-171-97-136.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.38.49 # yeah. no worries :) 01.44.21 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.44.57 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 01.52.28 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.56.30 # I want to buy a new mp3-player. Since rockbox does not (officially) support any player currently on sale, I wonder which one is most likely to get supported. 01.56.30 Part pixelma 01.56.47 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.56.53 # I am currently considering one of the following: sansa e200 v2, cowon d2, creative zen x-fi 01.57.53 # at the moment the d2 seems the best choice, as it is able to play ogg's even without rockbox. 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The stats show that it usually does 2 builds. However, /home/rbclient only contains one build-* directory that was touched recently. The others were last touched months ago 08.38.05 # Also, there aren't as many build-* directories as I would expect given how long this server is already part of the build system 08.39.10 # Hmm, does the build system usually remove the build-* directories, and it's just that this didn't work a few times? 08.42.17 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCEE2.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.43.37 # * amiconn found the buildmaster log says so 08.43.42 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.47.42 # yes, it removes the build dir 08.49.28 # So that sometimes doesn't work 08.50.06 # yeah 08.50.13 # obviously 08.50.25 # I wonder if those are just connection problems 08.50.59 # on my server, there's only one left after April 08.51.26 # My last one was from 7 Oct. The others were from April (most even from 2007) 08.51.36 # I've cleaned them now 08.51.37 # Oct 7 on mine too 08.52.23 # 22:30-ish. Maybe that happens when the master hangs and the build is restarted? 08.52.36 # yes seems like it might be that 08.52.52 # around 22:30 for me too 08.53.13 # oh and yes that's why 08.53.52 # the restart is done by the build master script just doing exit, so it won't even try to cleanup remainders 08.56.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.58.52 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.59.20 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.00.41 Quit mmadia ("http://www.haiku-os.org , #haiku") 09.03.33 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 09.03.45 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 09.15.20 Quit pixelma2 ("-") 09.15.37 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.40.17 # i'm playing an mpeg movie on my m:robe100 using mpegplayer, but it is not automatically resized to fit, i.e. only the top left corner of the clip is visible on screen. i'm assuming mpegplayer does not automatically resize videos? is there any information or automated way to prepare mpeg clips for playing using mpegplayer? 09.40.34 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.40.46 # Waldo000000: see the wiki page for the mpeg player plugin 09.41.19 # B4gder: yep sorry, there now. should have known, cheers 09.48.12 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 09.54.39 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.57.40 Join Llorean1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 09.58.07 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 09.59.47 Join alpineSponsee [0] (n=47ef1731@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ebad43f147d50326) 09.59.59 # hey! 10.00.20 # i have an awesome question....that i cant seem to find an answer for anywhere... 10.00.24 Join BigBambi [0] (i=86ceaf37@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3f58de0b84aefcad) 10.00.30 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 10.00.34 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 10.00.37 Nick Llorean1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 10.00.52 # can anyone help me out with it? 10.00.59 # not if you dont ask it... 10.01.26 # oh...ok, just makin sure people were in here...i have an alpine head unit in my car tha has a direct iPod connection... 10.01.40 # and its made to search whatever you plug into it for music... 10.01.47 # alpineSponsee: please just ask next time 10.02.16 # so i cna plug an external harddrive in it...and it will find the music on the external display and play it, etc...if i rockbox...can i play FLAC in my car? 10.02.23 # ...this may sound confusing... 10.02.43 # if it plays from an external harddrive, then how would rockbox affect it? 10.02.49 # Only if your head unit plays FLAC 10.03.00 # The ipod is just acting like a hard drive at this point 10.03.23 # If you have an aux in, the yes, Rockbox will help 10.04.43 # yeah, im pretty sure it just uses the ipod as a hdd to find mp3s....so i can only play mp3s than right? 10.04.50 # that sucks....i really wanna play flac 10.04.51 # grr 10.05.21 # can anyone reccomend the best conversion to covert FLAC to to get the quality (best mp3 conversion) 10.05.21 # You can only do whatever your headunit can do 10.05.35 # MP3 to FLAC will never be better than the MP3 10.05.45 # i meant FLAC to mp3 10.05.50 # You cqn't make the bits you threw away when converting to MP3 come back 10.06.06 # alpineSponsee: LAME, but this is off topic now 10.06.22 # no, i have a library of FLAC files.... 10.06.30 # and its not like anyone else is really talking... 10.06.37 # im jsut lookin for audio help 10.06.37 # irrelevent 10.06.38 # sorry 10.06.41 # jerk 10.07.07 # This is a logged support and development channel. People read the logs, which we don't want to be full of non-relevant stuff 10.07.08 # alpineSponsee, please read the guidelines please 10.07.21 Quit alpineSponsee ("CGI:IRC") 10.08.19 # I wonder if he thought I was calling him LAME, not saying use LAME the encoder :) 10.08.37 # BigBambi: tis what i thought 10.11.20 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@222.94.208.159) 10.12.09 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 10.25.00 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.27.19 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-080-228-186-134.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 10.27.26 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.29.14 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21A22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.30.31 Join MrDuck [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 10.31.34 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 10.34.28 # all harddrives support look-ahead. no flash cards do. 10.34.44 # (of those in the list) 10.35.22 # word 82, bit 6 10.36.40 # am i right in understanding that the definitions in pluginlib_actions.h (PLA_UP, PLA_DOWN, etc) be used in new plugins rather than BUTTON_*, where possible? 10.37.03 # Waldo000000: if suitable 10.37.09 # and that's to encourage consistency between plugins? 10.37.26 # Zagor: can you give an example where that wouldn't be suitable? 10.37.52 # Waldo000000: ask pixelma about problems in the plugin button library 10.38.08 # Waldo000000: some plugins are so complex they cannot use the same button mapping for all targets. targets differ very much in their button sets. 10.38.13 # I know she has encountered some and should be able to give good examples 10.39.16 # huh, I could only give examples where that PLA system does not work 10.39.33 # That's what I meant 10.39.45 # very few plugins are suitable for this in my opinion 10.41.41 # try metronome on c200/Ondio/Player - it is not fully controllable and with the combining of PLA contexts and the definitions hidden away in another file it is even hard to find out what happens (and what not) 10.41.44 # so....are you saying that pluginlib_actions.c essentially has errors (or omissions)? If it had no errors, then you could safely use the PLA_* as defined in pluginlib_actions.h - right? 10.43.39 # pixelma: can't you just search for "SANSA_C200_PAD" in the .c file, to find the 17 or so definitions for the PLA_* names? 10.43.44 # as Zagor said, this simplification seems to not be working in real life and leads to - not working correctly things and obfuscation are button maps that are not as good (intuitive) as could be because this system does not allow this 10.44.14 # or changes to it would break another plugin 10.45.26 # pixelma: do you think this is because some details in pluginlib_actions.c need to be adjusted, or that there is a problem with the approach to begin with? if the latter, what do you think is a better approach? 10.46.34 # Waldo000000: sure but this does not simply explain why things are not working because the same button is mapped to different actions, used in different contexts and people started combining contexts (in the plugin) and this gives problems 10.47.44 # I think that approach doesn't work for most plugins, only a few - and if it is used people should not use more than one context 10.49.18 # the plugins with different control schemes and players with different placement of buttons and technical limitations are just too many for such a generic approch (in my eyes) 10.50.08 # "more than one context"? sorry, i'm just starting out with plugins here, reading HowtoVerifyPlugins, which suggests using PLA - how do you suggest i approach the issue of button mapping, as a first time plugin developer? 10.51.09 # I would not use PLA unless the plugin has a simple left/right/up/down/select control scheme 10.51.47 # otherwise define button mappings in the plugin itself 10.52.35 Quit Darksair ("To Arch or Gentoo? That is the question...") 10.52.47 # I think even that can break on targets with wheels - i.e. when do you use the wheel for directional movement, and when not? 10.53.21 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.53.38 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 10.54.39 # well, just use PLA when you want to use the buttons for directional movement then... ;) something like this was discussed at the developers conference 10.54.40 # pixelma: and by "define button mappings in the plugin itself", you mean, for each target (with a bunch of if CONFIG_KEYPAD == ...) with #define DO_SOMETHING BUTTON_*, right? 10.55.28 # yes, mainly 10.56.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.57.16 # interesting. so, given that i have an mr100 (only), if i was to write a plugin, i would have to "guess" the appropriate button mappings for other targets, for example by looking at other plugin's code, or relying on others to fill it in 10.57.23 # linuxstb: the wheel for directional movement problem is even bigger - sometimes the wheel might be suited better for left/right (e.g. in Bubbles) sometimes better for up/down 10.57.52 # pixelma: Exactly. 10.58.47 # Waldo000000: You can look in the manual for layout etc 10.59.20 # BigBambi: k, thanks. 10.59.26 # thanks all, interesting. see yas later 10.59.27 Part Waldo000000 10.59.30 # Waldo000000: currently yes, but with PLA it's not given that you will get a better solution - it could be that the controls aren't working (at least partially) or are really awkward 10.59.35 # meh 10.59.43 # that was quick... 11.00.43 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.01.15 # an idea was to set up a wiki page which explains buttons on different targets (e.g. also electrical or mechanical limitations) and the different screens too 11.01.55 # of course that'll need some time to do it :) 11.06.18 Nick zodttd|away is now known as zodttd (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 11.08.11 # pixelma: I like that idea 11.10.20 # pixelma: Does the manual include text describing the button layout of a device and how they are generally used in Rockbox? Maybe something could be automated from there. 11.13.13 # there are the players' SVGs which label the buttons and the description for the blind. 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(voulem button tag for the wps)? 12.49.11 # * JdGordon wants to commit it tonight 12.55.03 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtc180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 12.56.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.57.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 13.01.35 Join culture_ [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.01.56 Nick culture_ is now known as culture (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.03.15 # anyone know how i can find out what specifically "DEV_RS = 0x3ffdfef8" means? 13.04.19 # * B4gder finds it amusing that the C64 plugin author's primary concern seems to the keyboard, not emulating C64 13.04.32 # lol 13.04.35 # B4gder: my reaction too 13.04.48 # it may not work, but at least you can type 13.05.26 Quit jhulst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.05.51 # Dementio: those registers are undocumented 13.06.02 # damn 13.06.23 # that's the boring thing with working on the ipods 13.06.40 # more like aggrivating 13.07.34 Quit petur ("*plop*") 13.08.37 # cause i really can't think of any way to test other values other than randomly changing it 13.11.21 # Dementio: well others have experimented a lot before, and may provide some clues. bushel for example experimented a lot when trying to increase battery life. I don't know how much he wrote down what he found. 13.12.13 # i'm just trying to get it so that the battery life is still good, but doesn't lock up on some cards 13.14.37 # pixelma, mcuelenaere: The backlight functions are included on purpose in stock Ondio builds. 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14.04.13 # or run as root 14.05.13 # JdGordon: that's scary 14.05.16 # but it works :) 14.05.18 # thanks 14.05.42 # It needs raw access to the disk to install the bootloader 14.12.37 # dionoea: any reason to not commit FS#9209 ? 14.15.28 Join lasser [0] (n=chatzill@W8059.w.pppool.de) 14.23.57 Join Darksair` [0] (n=user@218.94.142.3) 14.29.34 # B4gder: could you trigger utils/rockbox_api/gen_html.php every time docs/PLUGIN_API.new is updated? 14.29.48 # and trigger utils/rockbox_api/update.php every time apps/plugin.h gets updated? 14.29.59 # I'll just rerun it daily 14.30.02 # or perhaps that last one not, as that needs committing 14.30.17 # ah ok, even better 14.30.24 # where will you place the output? 14.30.38 # not sure atm, I'll have a go at it tonight I think 14.30.56 # ok thanks 14.32.25 Part mikem` 14.33.19 Part kharo 14.33.48 # * GodEater mutters about http access for git being higher on B4gder's list. or at least it should be. 14.38.26 Quit Darksair (Connection timed out) 14.41.28 Part B4gder 14.46.41 # tried to set up a build enviroment and the error is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/55618/ note this is kubuntu 10 which is beta 14.49.59 Quit Darksair` (Connection timed out) 14.53.10 # 10? 14.53.19 # does that mean Intrepid ? 14.53.25 # I take it a) you are asking for help and b) you mean 8.10 14.55.46 # GodEater: yes intrepid 14.56.16 # It really is helpful to use the actual version numbers for things 14.56.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.56.38 # BigBambi: sorry 14.57.25 # You might also get more responses if you actually asked for help, and didn't just say "This doesn't work" People have to want to help you know :) 14.57.51 # robin0800: also, 32 or 64bit ? 14.58.15 # or some other arch completely ? 14.59.55 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 15.00.03 # BigBambi: I realy like 8.10 but cannot build the development enviroment - its 32 bit hp latop compaq nc 6000 15.00.45 # BigBambi: and when someone asks for help we tell them "you don't have to ask, just post your problem and someone will eventually help: ;) 15.01.21 # robin0800: Ubuntu has switched their default CPP flags to include -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, which seems to be the cause of this 15.01.27 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 15.01.32 # robin0800: which target architecture are you building there ? 15.01.42 # markun: I know - I didn't ask him to ask, I just pointed out that his original way of putting it was rather abrupt and may not dispose people to help 15.01.53 # * GodEater guesses arm, but wants to make sure 15.01.58 # BigBambi: This works on 8.04 but not 8.10 15.02.22 # robin0800: Looks like Zagor has a likly candidate 15.02.28 # robin0800: yes, -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 was enabled in 8.10 15.03.08 # Zagor: is this a bug in the GCC code? 15.03.27 # GodEater: yes arm 15.03.56 # markun: I think so yes 15.04.39 # creat() is called without mode argument 15.04.52 # so I guess we'll have to add another patch.. 15.05.15 # unless we can switch to a newer version of GCC where this is fixed but which doesn't produce slower code. 15.05.35 # robin0800: in the meantime, I suspect "CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE ./rockboxdev.sh" might help 15.06.13 # robin0800: yes, please try GodEater's suggestion first 15.07.20 # Zagor: will do it 15.07.35 # * GodEater is also trying it to make sure 15.07.47 # lucky I'm also on Intrepid ;) 15.08.42 Join rvvs89 [0] (n=rvvs89@pdpc/supporter/active/rvvs89) 15.09.13 # Zagor: if it works, does it hurt to include that flag in rockboxdev.sh by default ? 15.10.18 # GodEater: I doubt it. afaik it's normally disabled and that has worked quite a while... 15.10.26 # cool 15.10.26 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.10.30 # will be a nice easy fix then if it works 15.10.33 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.13.26 # Zagor: its running now, note its seems slower on 8.10 than 8.04, will let you know when it finishes 15.17.29 # who cares if it's slower or not ? 15.17.36 # as long as you end up with a build environment 15.18.13 # how did you manage to go from Hardy to Intrepid and break the environment you had already anyway ? 15.19.43 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 15.20.46 # GodEater: i didn't it's a clean install 15.21.01 # oh 15.21.05 # why did you do that ? 15.21.16 # Hello all. 15.21.27 # hi 15.21.50 # In an attempt to save some binsize, I made some enum fields into unsigned chars, rather than ints. 15.22.06 # http://www.pastebin.ca/1223692 15.22.17 # Sadly this appears to make the bin bigger 15.22.24 # Anyone able to educate me? 15.22.45 # pondlife: which target? 15.22.47 # H300 15.23.14 # It shrinks the RAM total (in rockbox-info.txt), but grows the binary. 15.23.30 # that's clever of you 15.23.46 # GodEater: because at present I'm only slowly getting into linux and have nothig important that needs to be kept on this laptop 15.24.11 # upgrading from one distro version to another is an important thing to learn ;) 15.24.18 # Me? Clever? Never. 15.24.27 # and ideally attempted when you have nothing important ;) 15.24.33 # pondlife: iirc that's because loading/storing a char requires more code (not sure what exactly, perhaps a whole work load plus mask) 15.24.34 # pondlife: you hide it well ;) 15.24.39 # wild speculation: some cpus don't have 8/16-bit access functions and instead solves such operations with 32-bit access and bitmasking. 15.24.52 # s/work/word/ 15.25.01 # I've worked on some arms like that. don't know how the core in h300 is though 15.25.05 # That would make sense... so no amount of casting could help. 15.25.36 # pondlife: is the binsize on the H300 troubling you that much ? 15.25.47 # No, but every bit helps 15.25.56 # helps to do what ? 15.26.03 # Save battery, ultimately 15.26.15 # Or make more room for nice features 15.26.28 # which you can complain about the binsize price for? :) 15.26.42 # Not if I like the feature ;) 15.27.02 # * GodEater tries to remember the last feature that pondlife liked 15.27.07 # pondlife: also in a struct, gcc will align the char to int size because it is between two ints so you save 3 bytes but add 3 bytes of padding there 15.28.13 # * pondlife remembers liking metadata-on-buffer... 15.28.28 # * n1s sees now that one of the struct vars is a pointer so it does of course not apply there 15.28.47 # Indeed. But maybe some of the others could be smaller. 15.28.51 # * GodEater remembers pondlife not liking all the initial bugs with it though ;) 15.29.19 # btw I managed to save several kB's of ram in some wps structs by storing enums in chars a while ago so it can definitely be worth it 15.29.23 # hehe, no.. I miss them and occastionally run old revs just for nostagia's sake. 15.29.30 # * Zagor subtly suggests pondlife could spend his efforts on more useful things :) 15.29.31 # hahahaha 15.30.53 # Zagor: No worries - I've learnt something 15.31.09 # * pondlife svn reverts 15.31.56 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 15.35.05 # anyone use the wikipedia patch? 15.35.16 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dsa83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 15.35.48 # Zagor: yes that fixes it happy days 15.36.07 # * GodEater suggests a patch to rockboxdev.sh is in order then 15.37.03 # either that or another gcc patch :) 15.38.38 # fwiw, you get build warnings on a standard rockbox build too, I suspect because of the same issue 15.39.04 # I'd say a gcc patch is the better option then 15.41.04 # that wouldn't apply to the host's gcc though 15.41.11 # GodEater: its making now there are a few warnings of fwrite and fread at the begining 15.41.34 # yes, on building the rdfbinary etc. 15.41.42 # which are built with the host's gcc 15.41.46 # not the arm one 15.44.03 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 15.44.48 Quit Nibbl ("Ex-Chat") 15.45.25 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.45.34 # GodEater: will a patch to rockboxdev.sh fix the warnings? 15.46.30 # no 15.46.40 # that would require a patch to our configure script too 15.48.04 # GodEater: don't think I've seen those warnings before 15.49.58 # that's because they weren't there till you upgraded to Intrepid 15.51.40 # GodEater: great another intrepid error 15.52.06 # amiconn: any chance you could test bootloaders for ipod 1g and 2g in FS#9369 ? (at the very bottom) 15.53.41 Quit gregzx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.54.09 # s/very// 15.55.04 # any nano, mini1g, 3g or 4g users who could test too? Or if someone else is around with 1g or 2g 15.55.52 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@c-24-0-218-198.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 16.02.38 Part LinusN 16.11.37 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47EF0.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.16.11 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 16.21.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECB2E.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.23.20 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 16.23.40 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.29.26 Quit {phoenix} ("Konversation terminated!") 16.30.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.109) 16.34.55 # n1s: if that's the wps tag patch ... not that I know. I can commit if it you want 16.48.54 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.53.08 # dionoea: no, the md5 interruption patch 16.53.34 # ah, I didn't know about that one. Let me check 16.54.31 # I'll apply it 16.56.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.00.38 Join blahrus [0] (n=blahrus@75.150.209.185) 17.00.40 Join Crash91 [0] (n=7aa23eb5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-059c4b11072c4848) 17.01.19 Part mak3_ 17.04.48 Quit Crash91 (Client Quit) 17.05.16 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 17.09.18 # Nico_P: did you ever get anywhere with #8499 ? 17.09.26 # * GodEater is trying to make it work, and failing 17.09.47 # n1s: done 17.09.53 # GodEater: You pinged me 3 days ago 17.09.57 # GodEater: it was quite a long time ago 17.10.17 # (even before my comments on the task) 17.10.23 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 17.10.38 # Nico_P: I know - but I just thought I'd check 17.10.48 # dionoea: it was re: a conversation we were having in -community 17.10.50 # I haven't tried agaon since 17.11.10 # about an iphone hacker who's "released" a version of vlc for the iphone under questionable licensing terms 17.11.17 # GodEater: ah ok, markun just asked me about it :) 17.11.20 # Nico_P: it's a bit painful 17.11.59 # I'm currently stuck with this : ../apps/metadata/metadata_common.c:110: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘(’ token 17.12.13 # which I just plain don't understand, given the line in question 17.12.56 # anyone against applying FS #9368? 17.14.03 # dionoea: great :) 17.14.59 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 17.15.32 Quit blahrus (Remote closed the connection) 17.18.07 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.19.54 # So does anyone have any thoughts on updating the bootloaders, i tried to do just the ones for the ipods in one go but even those seem hard to get tested so i have come up with a few options: 1) Put the whole ipod bunch on the download site even if they are untested on some models 2) Put only the tested ones up, more work for Bagder and more of a mess of old/new versions 3) Give up and keep directing users with cf cards to unofficial bootloaders posted 17.19.55 # in wiki/forums/tracker 4) Wait for the next devcon (should be one in 'west' soon, right)? 17.22.05 # no DevConWest this year, not enough interest I think 17.23.06 # ah, too bad :/ 17.23.51 Join blahrus [0] (n=blahrus@75.150.209.185) 17.24.20 # Llorean: could you test a new bootloader on your nano? 17.26.18 # RockboxTesting isn't very helpful since most of the people listed are not/have never been around much in #rockbox 17.26.30 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 17.27.00 # n1s: Ooh, that reminds me! 17.27.09 # * LambdaCalculus37 goes to get his iPod color 17.27.52 # LambdaCalculus37: good to hear, color was tested by one guy but more does of course not hurt :) 17.29.06 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 17.29.42 # n1s: I also got my 2G iPod out as well. 17.29.53 # now that is good news :) 17.30.15 # What's the FS# again? 17.30.20 # 9369 17.31.41 # Downloading now 17.31.42 # . 17.32.06 Nick gregzx_ is now known as gregzx (n=chatzill@dsa83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 17.33.08 # n1s: Success. :) 17.33.18 # great! 17.33.33 # Now for the 2G iPod. 17.38.22 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@222.94.208.239) 17.41.10 # n1s: The bootloader installed successfully; now I have to put my iPod back together. 17.41.11 Join perrikwp [0] (i=98214791@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f759d75ab95910c2) 17.41.29 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 17.43.14 Quit BigBambi ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.55.24 # n1s: 2G iPod is happily booting with the new bootloader. 17.56.11 Quit lids ("Lost terminal") 18.02.23 Quit Darksair ("People who are zhuangbility want to show their niubility but only reflect their shability.") 18.03.31 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@222.94.208.239) 18.04.02 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47EF0.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.04.06 # LambdaCalculus37: great! thanks for testing :) 18.05.39 # so if we now extrapolate the results and say that 1g is similar to 2g and 4g is similar to color and nano is similar to video and 3g is somewhere between 2g and color and mini1g is basically a mini2g we are covered :) 18.06.37 # So unless someone objects I suggest we put these up for download soon 18.10.18 # n1s: iPod 4G includes both the greyscale and color. 18.11.29 # LambdaCalculus37: i thought '4g' usually referred to the greyscale version and photo/color to the other one, anyways the color one was tested 18.15.03 Quit Darksair (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.15.11 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@222.94.208.239) 18.16.40 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.19.32 Join pacroon [0] (n=pacroon@pdpc/supporter/active/pacroon) 18.21.21 Part pacroon 18.25.49 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-224-243.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.26.19 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.34.26 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180079174.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.41.32 Quit umlaut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.44.49 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 18.45.07 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.47.30 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 18.47.56 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.51.05 Join allele [0] (n=allele@CPE-69-23-137-242.wi.res.rr.com) 18.51.37 # is C# closer to C or C++? 18.52.59 # * gevaerts looks at the topic to make sure it's still the same 18.53.04 # allele: what does that have to do with rockbox? 18.53.40 # well rockbox is coded in C and I'm looking at an algorithm in C# I was hoping to implement in a rockbox plugin 18.54.37 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 18.56.05 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@88-106-165-155.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 18.56.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.58.52 Join robin0800_ [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 18.59.09 Join fragilematter [0] (n=fragilem@92.81.241.153) 18.59.21 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.00.56 # of course the A* algorithm looks like it would be a little too intense for the platforms rockbox runs on 19.02.14 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.06.30 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 19.18.41 Quit J-23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.18.48 Quit bmbl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.09 Join Tetracomm [0] (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) 19.19.16 Quit robin0800_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.39 Join Musume1-2 [0] (n=4b127a7b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f0d1420f5ab7fc8d) 19.19.55 # Hello rockboxworld 19.20.17 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 19.20.29 # hey Musume1-2 19.21.13 # quick question about the bootloader on a nano.... anyone gotten a failed attempt when trying to install a bootloader? 19.21.26 Quit fragilematter ("Leaving.") 19.21.53 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982140c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-90525f6a42cbfb4e) 19.22.19 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.23.27 # which generation of Nano? What is the exact error message? 19.23.29 # I don't know much about ipods. Is your ipod mentioned on the rockbox frontpage as capable of running rockbox? 19.23.54 # well it has it listed with the picture on it 19.24.06 Quit J-23 (Remote closed the connection) 19.24.53 # What sort of error do you get? 19.25.30 Quit allele ("Java user signed off") 19.25.30 # failed to install bootloader 19.26.10 # are you running with admin rights? 19.26.22 # yes 19.27.01 # And you are using what OS? And are you using rbutil? 19.27.25 # I'm running Xp and yes I'm using Rbutil 19.27.38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.29.20 # And the actual install went OK? 19.29.48 # Which colour is your ipod? 19.30.10 # Musume1-2: you could to install the bootloader with ipodpatcher, perhaps this gives a better error message, why it failed .. 19.30.15 # is a black 4gb with picture capabilities 19.30.57 # hm.. lemme try it 19.31.00 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 19.32.06 # Musume1-2: does the original firmware run ok ? have you modified the ipod before (like installed ipodlinux ? ) 19.32.48 # n1s: Bootloader works on the G1 as well 19.33.05 # amiconn: great, thanks! 19.33.15 # nope... no modifications... just original firmware..and it works fine 19.33.16 # There's the problem on G1..G3 that the contrast is wrong in the OF, because of our LCD setup 19.33.34 # Need to think about a nice solution for this 19.33.44 # ah 19.34.07 # We set up the LCD differently in order to get better level stability and less crosstalk 19.34.44 # maybe we could avoid touching the lcd setup if booting the OF? 19.35.08 # Either that, or restoring the original setup 19.35.28 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.35.31 # The LCD config registers of the greyscale ipods can be read back, except on the mini G2 19.35.38 # do you think it is necessary to test the remaining ipods? (3g, 4g gray, mini1g, nano)? 19.36.06 # Would be good. Finding a Nano tester shouldn't be difficult imho... 19.36.09 # Llorean? 19.36.31 # did someone say test? >.< 19.36.42 Quit Darksair (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.37.57 # for a while I wondered if the version of the firmware on the ipod ... had anything to do with failing to install the bootloader 19.38.24 Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.38.54 # Musume1-2: try installing it using ipodpatcher as domonoky suggested. That should give more useful error messages at least 19.39.27 # i'm looking for that prog as we speak 19.39.39 # The manual should have a link 19.39.55 # ah.. the manual 19.40.21 # I downloaded that.. but I usually dont read manuals too much 19.40.46 # I shall take a peek... Thnx... Gevaerts 19.40.48 # are we sure yet your ipod support rockbox at all? what generation of nano do you have? 19.41.09 # according to what I saw.. its 2nd gen 19.41.27 # from what I read on the net 19.42.48 # according to the rockbox frontpage nano 2nd gen does not work with rockbox 19.43.51 # are there 2nd generation Nanos that come in black? Is the case all metal or does it have a plastic front? 19.44.51 # the second question was to Musume1-2... 19.47.08 # pixelma: Yes, there are. The 2nd gen nanos with 8GB come in black. 19.47.11 # its metal in the back and plastic front 19.48.36 # you're right I oversaw the "not" part on the front page 19.48.46 # then it should be a 1st generation Nano which could runRockbox 19.49.45 # it would be cool if Mp4 style devices could be flashed.. 19.49.49 # too 19.49.54 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 19.50.03 # musumel-2: Is your nano tall and thin, or short and square? 19.50.11 # tall and thin 19.50.19 # 1st gen nano, then. 19.52.28 # anyone know about flashing one of those chinese mp4 players?? 19.52.49 # I know they are not the best.. but I bet they could be improved too 19.55.12 # Musume1-2: you don't just "flash" something with rockbox, it needs to be ported first and that's a lot of work 19.55.45 # I know... 19.56.16 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@gw1.mycosmos.gr) 19.56.53 # what I meant is... just improving the rom itself not necessarly rockbox.... I know coding something from scratch can take a long long time... 19.57.16 # If it's not rockbox, it's off-topic here 19.57.46 # I figured I'd ask ... but np i prefer my ipod anyday 19.59.00 Join sylfr [0] (n=sylvain@ABordeaux-257-1-31-250.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.59.14 # Hi 19.59.46 # but now that u mention it.. I wonder how much of rockbox could be implemented to one of those players..... maybe the rom size is small, but probably do-able 20.01.03 # I have two problems with Rockbox. Someone would be able to help me ? 20.01.17 # * gevaerts grabs a nearby crystal ball 20.01.24 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.01.26 # porting rockbox... would be feasable... 20.01.57 # sylfr: maybe if you state your problems :) 20.02.06 # Yes ! 20.02.30 # Musume1-2: whether or not porting rockbox to a device is feasible depends on the exact device. "chinese mp4 players" is very vague, so nobody can say anything useful about it 20.02.33 # >.< I wish I knew how to code .. 20.02.57 # My first problem : when I add just one track, or a few tracks, on my iPod, how I can do to add them to my library without scan the whole files again ? 20.03.00 # yes I figured that much gevaerts 20.03.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 20.03.53 # Musume1-2: it's much easier to write something from scratch than to improved closed source software 20.04.01 # *improve 20.04.12 # sylfr: just update the database, it's there in the menu, check the manual if you can't find it 20.04.50 # I'll take your word for it since I dont know about coding, but I was just throwing ideas around.... 20.05.22 # n1s: yes, but if I do that, my stats are erased (eg my ratings on songs) 20.05.52 # n1s: and it spend much of time 20.06.11 # sylfr: are you sure you are not selecting "Initialize database"? 20.06.35 # I tried both. 20.06.44 # n1s: I'm gonna try again to be sure. 20.07.05 # if you Initialize the whole database will be recreated and your ratins lost, just do an update 20.07.31 # umm insert a comma somewhere there 20.07.51 # n1s: It's the fourth option ? It's even very long and use a lot of battery 20.08.25 # n1s: There is no way to use "Files and Folders" section to select a track and then add it in the database ? 20.08.54 # yes, it's the one called "Update now", don't use "Initialize now" as it will wipe the database and recreate it 20.09.17 # sylfr: no there isn't, however try enabling dircache if you haven' 20.09.21 # t already 20.09.57 # n1s: OK, i'm gonna do that now if there is not a better solution. 20.09.59 # general settings->system->disk->directory cache->yes 20.11.03 # n1s:OK 20.11.16 # n1s: And doesn't it use a lot of battery ? 20.11.22 Join meven [0] (n=meven@lav35-1-82-236-137-162.fbx.proxad.net) 20.12.18 # sylfr: it uses quite a bit of ram so rockbox has to rebuffer more often but if you update the database very often it makes that use a bit less battery and quite a bit faster 20.12.31 # n1s: OK, thanks 20.12.45 # This problem was solved. 20.12.50 # ANd now, my second problem 20.13.03 # Is there an anti-aliased font for rockbox ? 20.13.10 # no 20.13.17 # OK 20.13.22 # Problem solved 20.13.24 # :D 20.13.35 # And, I have another question. 20.14.21 # Rockbox allows to use a voice recorder, plugging it in the earphones, isn't it ? 20.15.28 # Bagder: around? 20.16.01 # sylfr: i'm not sure what you mean, yes rockbox supports recording from the headphone jack on some ipods 20.16.27 # btw fellas... ipodpatcher worked like a charm 20.16.43 # n1s: Yes, it was what i meant (i am french, so my english may not be perfect, sorry) 20.17.21 # And, i wondered : is there a way to listen to the radio with rockbox on a iPod ? 20.17.48 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 20.18.27 # sylfr: rockbox supports the radio on all supported players that have one built-in 20.19.05 # * gevaerts reads the last three words of the question now 20.19.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 runs fink selfupdate 20.19.15 # Unfortunately, the ipod isn't one of them 20.19.17 # gevaerts: OK. But I have an iPod, that haves not one built-in. 20.19.38 Quit Musume1-2 ("CGI:IRC") 20.19.43 Join Musume1-2 [0] (n=4b127a7b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d9f1d92bbb08e25) 20.19.46 # gevaerts: Yes. And there is no any tool that would make it possible ? 20.20.15 # You mean with one of the external radios? Maybe, in the future, if someone does the work 20.20.15 Quit Musume1-2 (Client Quit) 20.20.18 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180068099.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.20.20 Join Musume1-2 [0] (n=4b127a7b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-265b137a72b6edb5) 20.21.15 # OK 20.21.22 # Thank you ! 20.21.28 # Bye ! 20.21.40 Part sylfr 20.21.45 # Wrong channel. :P 20.21.58 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 20.23.43 # hm 20.26.40 # huh 20.26.45 Quit Musume1-2 ("CGI:IRC") 20.26.51 Join fearbeforeubuntu [0] (n=nich@c-76-104-167-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 20.26.51 Join Musume1-2 [0] (n=4b127a7b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-56845b584c5e24b9) 20.27.07 # anyone know how to install on 6th gen? 20.27.44 # ? 20.27.48 # The one that the front page says isn't supported? 20.27.52 Nick colesterol_dog is now known as m0f0x (n=m0f0x@189-47-50-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) 20.28.00 # bootloader is working fine... but when loading rockbox it said.. Can't load rockbox.ipod file not found error 20.28.18 # well that answers my question 20.29.07 Part fearbeforeubuntu ("Leaving") 20.29.30 Join GodEater_ [0] (n=ge@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.30.25 # sounds like I need to copy the file manually from what it reads 20.30.40 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.32.28 Quit n1s () 20.32.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.32.34 Nick zodttd|away is now known as zodttd (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 20.33.06 # Stupid question. I accidently opened a picture on my iPod Mini, how can I reverse (step back)? I'm going to leave within five minutes and want to bring my music along. 20.33.46 # I fixed mine today so I'll upgrade Rockbox too when I'm back. 20.34.06 # Musume1-2: I guess you didn't install rockbox itself yet. Restart rbutil, select the second tab (Installation), and run the non-bootloader install 20.34.21 # I did install 20.34.29 # but I'll restart it.. I didn't do that 20.34.32 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.41.50 # I must be doing something wrong 20.42.09 # I did install rockbox and its still saying file not found 20.42.47 # Musume1-2: make sure there is a ".rockbox" directory on your ipod and an rockbox.ipod file in it... 20.42.50 # when trying to load rockbox 20.44.21 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 20.44.43 # I"m copying the folder 20.44.50 # takes a while 20.45.54 # I look forward to my fav mario game..... Mario six golden coins 20.45.55 # hehe 20.46.25 # so it was not already on your ipod ? maybe you pointed rbutil to a wrong mountpoint ? 20.46.32 # Musumel-2: Game Boy games are off topic. 20.47.02 # yes they are but I"m referring to rockbox 20.47.34 Nick zodttd is now known as zodttd|away (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 20.48.21 # I probably did point it in the wrong place.. but slowly but surely will get it to work... and thanks domonoky for the help too 20.48.40 Quit reacocard (".") 20.49.40 Join Photoguy [0] (n=47a14b7c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d16726e0c85626bc) 20.49.50 # Hello! 20.50.13 # Hello! 20.50.19 # Photoguy, hello 20.50.19 # Anybody home? 20.50.39 # * gevaerts points Photoguy to the channel guidelines 20.50.40 # you can just ask, Photoguy 20.51.28 # I have a few questions... 20.52.01 # you can just ask, Photoguy, we can not read minds 20.52.09 # What is the path foe .patch files, inside the .rockbox folder? 20.52.15 # :P 20.52.22 # *for 20.52.32 # .patch files are meant to be added to the Rockbox source code, and then compiled. 20.52.41 # Oh.. 20.53.17 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c264@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8b29aee58f76a2ad) 20.53.32 # So, no simple way unless you know how to code? 20.54.21 # You don't really need to know how to write code from scratch to apply patches, but it helps. 20.55.41 # I wanted to add this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5448?histring=radio 20.55.49 # You don't need to know how to code at all, just how to follow instructions 20.55.58 # Unless the patch is ut of date and needs updating 20.56.05 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.56.12 # Photoguy: www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling 20.56.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.57.09 # Ok, I'm willing to learn, but doesn't somebody have an already compiled file? 20.57.17 # no 20.57.33 # It has to be done for the version of Rockbox you are using for the device you are using 20.57.39 # in reference to rockbox... whats the best encoding that could be used to make videos for rockbox in a ipod nano (1st gen) 20.57.41 # (or nearly the same version) 20.57.57 # or what format for that matter 20.57.58 # Musume1-2: www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer 20.58.17 Part J-23 20.58.20 # I wish rockbox was .mov compatible. 20.58.56 # Then get coding 20.59.08 # :) 20.59.28 # However, seeing as you have in most cases to reencode to screen size anyway, it doesn't really matter 20.59.36 # Well, the origional firmware was .mov compatible... 20.59.40 # so? 20.59.47 # We have many many original firmwares 20.59.59 # Oh, sorry.. 21.00.13 # We don't want to be like any of them, but if we were do you mean iriver, iaudio, ipod, toshiba, sansa, archos..... 21.00.15 # I'm talking about the e200. :P 21.00.17 # Was it? The original firmware for the first rockbox players didn't even support bitmap displays 21.00.45 # The e200 OF only handles mjpeg movs, so calling that one ".mov compatible" is a bit extreme too 21.01.19 Quit Tetracomm (Connection timed out) 21.01.30 # Besides, what any OF can do has no bearing on Rockbox 21.01.37 # .mov files are just containers, anyway. 21.02.18 # the sansa's MOV support is worthless 21.03.05 # You can just transcode what's in the files to MPEG2. 21.03.12 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 21.03.15 # saratoga, i was going to say that too.. i think mpeg or mpeg2 are better for the sansa 21.03.41 # Is there any way enlarge photos to more than full size? 21.03.48 # I want to zoom in more. 21.05.18 # Photoguy: The manual is well worth a look 21.05.26 # :) 21.05.33 # You well encounter wrath if you ask questions here that it answers 21.05.36 # *will 21.05.53 # Apparently you have lots of noobs come through. 21.06.25 # It gets very annoying to be asked several thousands times questions that people have put a lot of work into writing documentation to answer 21.06.26 # Photoguy: I believe that the movies on the e200 are mjpeg, is that correct? 21.06.59 # markun: v1 OF video format is mjpeg. v2 uses mp4 21.07.19 # After using the Sandisk media converter, they are in quicktime .mov format 21.07.30 # .mov isn't a format, it's a container 21.07.31 # no, they are mjpeg in a mov container 21.07.42 # amiconn: so much has changed between v1 and v2, and they still just call it e200... 21.07.45 # Ok, right, sorry. 21.08.28 # Photoguy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mov#QuickTime_file_format 21.08.36 # Any hope for e200 v2 comatability in the future? 21.08.42 Part Padme ("Live Free Or Die!") 21.08.58 # Photoguy: yes 21.09.02 # Photoguy: Yes, but no timeframes or guarantees 21.09.06 # people are working on it 21.09.29 # Yeah, just wondering. 21.09.54 # My brother has a v2, and he's really jealous about rockbox. 21.09.58 # :0 21.10.03 # :) 21.10.27 # Photoguy, order him a v1 then 21.10.30 # that's a nice compliment :) 21.11.07 # Where would you order a v1? 21.11.14 # Froobi. 21.12.37 # If in the US 21.12.43 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.12.52 # Talk about exspensive! 21.13.18 # I bought mine from a friend for $18 :) 21.13.22 # 2gb 21.13.42 Join chb [0] (i=chb@freenode/staff/unixboard.chb) 21.13.50 # then don't buy one? 21.14.17 # Oh, I see I was looking at the wrong thing.. 21.15.17 # Actuallyy not a bad price..$94 for a 16gb. 21.15.28 # *actually 21.15.29 # that is a v2 21.16.02 # Oh, right $89 21.17.38 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.17.55 # anyone tried rockbox in a X5 21.17.57 # ? 21.18.14 # evening - can someone tell me the status of the sansa v2 port? 21.18.30 # chb: Read the forum thread on it for latest news 21.18.50 # Musume1-2: yes, lots of people. What is the question? 21.19.19 # does video buffer time improve ? 21.19.30 # compared to what? 21.19.33 # takes a little while in original firmware 21.19.56 # to load and buffer the video into memory 21.19.58 # Musume1-2: Why not just try it? 21.20.54 # well I can and kind of can't because I sold the X5 to my friend already... but I'll convince him once he see's my ipod 21.21.12 # * BigBambi would prefer the x5 to the ipod 21.21.46 # I sold it because I was afraid I'd break the little joystick . 21.22.11 # been know to break a few of those joysticks in other mp3 players 21.23.31 # but once I see how it works on the x5 .. I might just get another one eventually 21.25.25 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@WL-194.CINE.HMC.Edu) 21.25.33 # what I would want to see...is how rockbox would look/work on a psp... except of course... for the game part.. because copyrights wont allow rockbox to decode psp games, but other than that.. for the video/music/pictures.. or even internet features.. that'd be cool 21.26.17 # with a nice big screen 21.26.54 # to pair it 21.26.56 # * gevaerts sets Musume1-2 to work 21.28.28 # I can already see it at work ... gevaerts 21.28.48 # hehe 21.28.51 # Rockbox ports don't happen by themselves 21.28.51 # eh? 21.28.58 # I know 21.29.02 # you want it, you port it 21.29.32 # So as long as people just talk a lot about a port but don't actually do anything, people here get a bit annoyed 21.31.32 # well I dont code, but I know someone who does... So I'll ask him for advice on it.... I'll see about it.... 21.32.10 # take a couple of lessons from him.... u never know 21.32.21 Join druidu [0] (n=d5a4e705@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-847c4789f9e019a2) 21.32.32 # Bagder: if you have some free time, could you look at the plugin API documentation generator? 21.40.09 Join b4taylor [0] (n=b4taylor@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) 21.40.27 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-73-84.lightsey.resnet.clemson.edu) 21.41.06 # I managed to turn on the backlight and blue led of X20's LCD :D 21.41.37 # druidu: X20? 21.41.38 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.42.16 # ahh iRiver 21.45.08 # ahh Sandisk 21.45.27 # Photoguy: Hush. 21.45.50 # iRiver X20 21.45.51 # :) 21.46.03 # What size screen? 21.46.44 # 2.2 inch 21.46.56 # Nice. 21.47.02 # druidu: does it has the same chip as the meizu's? 21.47.14 # I thought the iriver X20 was TCC-based. 21.47.16 # and where's the patch? ;) 21.47.18 # no idea, it's something like variatronix 21.47.24 # and yes, TCC8200 21.47.29 # ok 21.47.33 # Does anyone use the pluginviewer to read books at all/ 21.47.35 # ? 21.47.42 # the lcd controllers I think is embedded in the tcc chip 21.47.47 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.48.06 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.48.44 # I use the text viewer 21.49.07 # are there some kind of guidelines/standard for writing a Rockbox audio driver? 21.50.15 Nick zodttd|away is now known as zodttd (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 21.52.07 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 21.52.27 # Photoguy: I'd prefer a real pdf viewer but I'm wondering how good the viewer is :p 21.52.39 # I haven't rocked my sansa e260 yet. 21.52.51 # Yeah, a PDF viewer would be awesome... 21.52.54 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.94.249) 21.53.10 # Although I bricked it today. It's fixed now, but I don't think it should lock up because it hit an mp3 tag it didn't like. 21.53.14 # b4taylor: It views text files, with a few things like bookmarking etc 21.53.24 # BigBambi: Can you def chapters? 21.53.32 # b4taylor: That isn't bricked then. Please don't throw terms like that around 21.53.48 # b4taylor: And please use real words. I'm guessing you mean define? 21.53.53 # mcuelenaere: have you seen any odd behaviour from the nand_identify() function recently? on my m200 it consistently returns NULL for known NANDs. But if I insert an innocent printf() it works again... definitely something weird going on. 21.54.33 # b4taylor: And if you can consistently reproduce a crash and it hasn't already been done, please file a bug report on it 21.54.35 # shotofadds: not really 21.54.45 # BigBambi: It was rather messed up. It definately wasn't just a lock up -> reboot -> yay it works again. 21.54.56 # That isn't a brick 21.54.58 # shotofadds: have you made a flyspray tracker item? 21.54.58 Quit druidu ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.55.08 # It wasn't usable. That's for sure. 21.55.17 # A brick is taken to mean unable to be resurected without specialist equipment 21.55.31 # You manged to fix it, ergo it wasn't bricked 21.55.46 # No, a brick is taken to mean that it's as useful as a brick given it's current state. 21.55.54 # Which it was. 21.55.55 # mcuelenaere: I don't think there's any need. I'm looking into whether linuxstb's recent TCC77x changes broke it... 21.55.56 # b4taylor: Not here it isn't 21.56.06 # b4taylor: when you turned it off? 21.56.17 # shotofadds: did he change the nand_id file? 21.56.20 # * gevaerts forgot a "like" 21.56.41 # gevaerts: When it was refreshing the DB. 21.56.54 # no, but the indeterminate behaviour possibly points to some kind of stack or interrupt problem 21.56.54 # Are there any custom builds... 21.56.58 # b4taylor: I mean, is your player bricked whenever you turn it off? 21.57.03 # b4taylor: He meant that when you turn it off, by your definition it is bricked 21.57.09 # gevaerts: Oh. 21.57.10 # stack problem? you mean stack overflow? 21.57.34 # and interrupts problem can't be caused by the nand_id code 21.58.03 # mcuelenaere: I didn't say it was caused by it. That's just where the problem becomes apparent 21.58.06 # gevaerts: I suppose a better way to put it is the "set of normal states" instead of just 1 state. 21.58.12 # I want this! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5448?histring=radio 21.58.12 # was just checking if you'd seen similar behaviour 21.58.24 # nope 21.58.34 # Photoguy: haven't we already been through this? 21.58.44 # I just used the code on the Onda targets and no problems 21.58.47 # :P 21.59.01 # sure.. it works on the d2 without problems too. 21.59.10 # Photoguy: Please don't clog up the logs. This is a support and development channel, not a chat channel 21.59.14 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.59.15 # I know, but this compiling buisness is confusing . 21.59.28 # So feel free to ask specific questions where you have problems 21.59.53 # shotofadds: then you're probably right and it's a target specific problem 21.59.54 # Where's the rockbox chat channel? 21.59.55 Quit Photoguy ("CGI:IRC") 22.00.02 # b4taylor: rockbox-community 22.00.02 # b4taylor: Check the topic 22.00.05 Join Photoguy [0] (n=47a14b7c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3295660034e10723) 22.00.54 # Well that's lame there are more users here. 22.00.58 Part b4taylor 22.02.23 # What is new about 3.0, I didn't see anything major, or am I missing something? 22.02.47 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-224-090.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.03.08 # Photoguy: It is a specific version that was judged to be stable 22.03.56 # Photoguy: there's a huge amount of new things since 2.5, like ipod support 22.04.05 # Or sansa, or iriver, or ... 22.04.11 # Ok, just curious. 22.04.41 Join p3tur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.05.07 Quit petur (Nick collision from services.) 22.05.12 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.07.42 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.47 # got to reflash my nas - bbl 22.08.20 Quit blkhawk ("Caught sigterm, terminating...") 22.14.15 # Photoguy: wouldn't a PDF viewer be terrible on such a small screen? 22.14.44 # Umm.. 22.14.48 # Maybe. 22.14.58 # 1.8 does seem a bit small. 22.15.10 # Although 2.2 wouldn't be to much better. 22.16.37 # but still, how would you read the PDF? Zoom in and then keep scrolling left and right to read the lines? 22.17.45 # I think that if you view it with the whole width of a page on the screen you will be unable to read anything 22.17.53 Join crashmatrix [0] (n=crashmat@s5590785f.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 22.18.14 # also depending on the screen size and resolution of the player of course 22.18.38 # for something like the vx767 it would be ok I guess 22.19.16 # my ipod has been acting up since a few days. When I turn it on, it won't get past the 'backlight off, apple logo'-booting stage. I can enter disk mode and test mode, but it just won't 'boot' up, rockbox or otherwise 22.19.59 Part J-23 22.20.34 Quit Photoguy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.20.50 Join Photoguy [0] (n=47a14b7c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-310ac5dc651ff00b) 22.21.23 # I haven't done anything out of the ordinary with the thing, and I'm about to reflash the thing, but I'm wondering if this has happened before and/or if it's a common problem with 5.5G ipoots 22.23.33 # crashmatrix: I have no clue what it could be, hope that someone else can help you 22.23.50 # Sorry. 22.23.55 # meh, it's mostly my fault for getting a ipoot in the first place :) 22.24.37 # Question... 22.24.39 # crashmatrix: a lot of people have them. I don't think they are the best, but neither are they the worst (hardware wise) 22.24.54 # Photoguy: Just ask 22.24.55 # How can I make the Dict plugin to work? 22.25.08 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-091-096-036-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.25.15 # Download a dictionary somehow? 22.26.44 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-132fa8e108cf8c0b) 22.26.54 # Ok, nobody wants to answer that.. 22.27.09 # I found a bug.. 22.27.13 # Or kind of. 22.27.37 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2b77bbb6cbc8f238) 22.28.24 # When recording (mic) on a the e200, there is a high pitched interference, caused by the lcd display. 22.28.54 # We know about that already. 22.29.30 # Sorry :P 22.29.48 Quit reacocard (".") 22.29.58 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@WL-194.CINE.HMC.Edu) 22.30.06 # Photoguy: Please have patience. People aren't staring at their screens constantly, and not everybody knows the answer to everything 22.36.00 # anyone here with an M200 v1? 22.36.30 # shotofadds: Just my v3, sorry. 22.37.27 # shotofadds: have you tried reverting linuxstb changes and see if it resolves the problem? 22.38.13 Quit {phoenix} (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.39.56 Join shot0fadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 22.40.15 # mcuelenaere: I think it's related to the iaudio7 changes. will try reverting back shortly. 22.41.04 Part toffe82 22.42.25 # heh.. sometime the bootloader font doesn't even display properly. that's seriously screwed. 22.42.34 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 22.44.23 # I see vitja added an ata_identify() routine to ata-nand-telechips.c, but that can't be the problem 22.45.02 # ah perhaps the MODE->TMODE change? 22.45.28 # nope 22.48.29 Quit petur ("*plop*") 22.49.14 Nick zodttd is now known as zodttd|away (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 22.51.35 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B161FBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.54.03 Nick zodttd|away is now known as zodttd (n=zodttd@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com) 22.54.14 # Where do the dictionary files go in the rockbox folder?>] 22.54.42 # zodttd: the channel guidelines ask not to change your nick on away 22.54.47 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 22.56.26 # Photoguy: please do a bit of searching... 22.56.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.56.50 Quit shotofadds (Connection timed out) 22.57.34 # It said to put it in the rockbox folder, but it doesn't work :P 22.57.54 # i dont see it saying that at all 22.58.12 # Sorry outside source: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18258 22.58.32 # why dont you search *our* sources?...like, say, the wiki? 23.00.00 # And our manual? 23.00.36 # gevaerts: Ok. Though that means I would have to disable it for all channels. 23.00.42 Join Twisty [0] (n=mhesten@242.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) 23.00.43 Part zodttd 23.04.46 # Ok, got it installed. 23.05.27 # But I can't scroll down! 23.05.34 # Stupid thing! 23.06.04 # if you looked at the wiki page for it, you would have seen that.. 23.06.14 # Seen what? 23.06.22 # It doesn't scroll down? 23.06.30 # yes 23.07.39 # Wow, that's a big handicap 23.08.20 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-242-159.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.08.20 # %50 done.. 23.09.28 # Well, I'll probably be back with more questions later.. 23.09.32 # Bye. 23.10.29 Quit Photoguy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.10.36 Join eintopf_ [0] (n=Alex@shell1.neessen.net) 23.11.29 Quit mcuelenaere ("Zzzz") 23.15.42 Quit Twst (Connection timed out) 23.16.34 Quit meven (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.31 Join ompaul_ [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 23.23.17 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 23.23.46 Quit bertrik ("zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz") 23.25.56 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.28.36 # Onda vx787 seems to have a "Rockchip RK2706 DSP core + ARM core - Max core speed:400mHz " internally 23.28.46 # http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=228 23.29.21 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 23.30.42 Quit Strife89 ("Leaving") 23.30.45 # Bagder: ah, thanks, so if I don't want to start from the ground up I shouldn't get this one. 23.31.07 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.31.08 # right, the other Ondas seem quite different 23.32.07 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.32.39 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-194-26.dsl.scarlet.be) 23.32.49 Quit ompaul (No route to host) 23.33.19 Nick ompaul_ is now known as ompaul (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 23.34.09 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Ka-chunka") 23.40.47 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 23.42.18 Join dimension128 [0] (n=jason@dialup-4.252.64.198.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 23.45.31 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.48.10 # Bagder: I found the reason why building the mips toolchain fails on some systems 23.48.22 # aha 23.48.31 # The problem is gcc 4.3.x (why doesn't that surprise me.. :\ ) 23.48.40 # oh 23.49.04 # Same thing happened for someone else who tried to build the avr toolchain: http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=66336 23.49.47 # Gcc 4.3.x enables a warning for out-of-bounds array acesses by default, and binutils 2.17 (and higher) build with -Werror by default... 23.53.26 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.53.48 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.54.23 # Bagder: can you tell from http://ftp.roverbook.com/RoverMedia/Aria_S7/S7%20software%2020080721.zip if it is vx777? 23.54.31 # looks like 1:1 oem clone 23.54.49 # OF is called S800.hxf (in the zip I linked) 23.55.05 # I'm not an expert on that so I wouldn't dare to try to judge 23.55.20 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@p5B033769.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.55.59 Quit chb (""Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."") 23.56.16 # hmm, google says it's vx858 23.57.57 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 23.58.08 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]")