--- Log for 10.10.108 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 3 hours ago 00.01.14 # dionoea: Around? 00.03.08 # * amiconn tries binutils 2.18 00.03.51 Join dimension1281 [0] (n=jason@dialup-4.252.66.56.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 00.04.36 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 00.06.19 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.07.12 Quit hannesd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.08.46 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 00.09.44 # amusing fact; the 4th most common "phrase" searched for when people ended up on www.rockbox.org => 00.09.51 # "rockbox.org" 00.10.02 # * linuxstb scratches head 00.10.33 # Isn't that because of modern brain-dead browsers that go to google instead of the website you want? 00.10.46 # perhaps 00.11.00 # Hmm, binutils 2.18 fails even earlier. It complains about a missing 'makeinfo' 00.11.13 # Does "http://rockbox.org" exist? 00.11.27 # yes 00.11.35 # or rather, it redirects to www... 00.14.33 # hmmm, simpler question 00.14.42 # which players use HXF format for OF? 00.14.55 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 00.15.16 # * Bagder has no idea 00.15.52 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.16.40 # * pixelma wishes there was a way to have the remote buttons working in the sim, at least in an Iaudio M3 sim 00.17.07 # Bah. I intended to spend this evening testing some improvements to the Telechips NAND driver on my m200. Instead I've spent it trying to make the m200 work at all :( 00.17.35 # It seems r18435 breaks the button driver (or at least the display in the bootloader always shows 0x0 now) 00.17.36 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.18.23 # ...and I have no idea why, but r18584 seems to cause the weird nand_identify() behaviour I mentioned earlier 00.18.55 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.20.09 # Unfortunately any further investigation will have to wait until the weekend. Night all! 00.20.14 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 00.20.22 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.21.27 # http://gizmodo.com/5059598/zero+cost-gadget-upgrades-for-the-next-great-depression 00.21.31 # with a rockbox reference! 00.21.50 # gah, gcc :( 00.22.13 # shot0fadds: You sure it was that commit? I'm pretty sure I tested the m200 afterwards. Or maybe I just tested the DAX.... 00.22.51 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 00.22.56 # linuxstb: 100% 00.23.29 # I fixed the array bounds warning (->error b/c of -Werror) (in gas/configure). Now it errors because of several 'blah might be used uninitialized...' 00.23.34 Quit reacocard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.23.53 Quit dimension128 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.00 # Seems we need to configure with --disable-werror when host gcc is 4.3+ 00.24.00 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.24.03 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.24.50 # amiconn: any idea why r18584 might cause unexpected behaviour in a completely unrelated function? I can't see anything obvious. 00.25.50 # no 00.26.52 # good answer :p I'll look into it further at the weekend. 00.27.01 Quit shot0fadds ("Leaving") 00.27.48 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.28.08 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable100.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.29.55 # No, really. That commit just strips the bidi + arabic processing from bootloaders. All the bidi function now does is decoding to ucs-2 00.30.47 Join Tetracomm [0] (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) 00.31.07 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 00.31.08 Join Waldo000000 [0] (n=roy@203-219-228-242-gee-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) 00.31.19 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.40.29 # Bagder: --disable-werror does the trick 00.41.07 # I'd need a way to check host gcc version in rockboxdev.sh though. Alternatively I could always add this option for binutils 2.17 00.41.13 # What do you think? 00.41.52 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-141-178.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.42.41 # if i remember correctly vitja mentioned weird behaviours in usb code after a (that?) bidi change 00.44.47 Quit bughunter2 ("bye") 00.47.09 # who can I bug to have a look at FS#9467 (add clip target to rockbox) ? 00.47.13 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.47.49 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.51.51 Quit dimension1281 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.47 Join dimension128 [0] (n=jason@dialup-4.252.67.63.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 00.55.06 Join Munkie [0] (n=alex@dsl-245-190-68.telkomadsl.co.za) 00.55.19 # hi 00.56.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.01.30 # hi Munkie 01.01.52 Join lfaraone [0] (n=LukeFara@wikipedia/firefoxman) 01.01.58 # hows the rockbox treating you? 01.02.49 # pretty well 01.02.50 # Hey, I'm unable to run the rockbox GUI installer on windows, it gives me an error after downloading rockbox.zip (among others) that it cannot create a directory for extraction. 01.03.21 # Munkie: which player do you have? 01.03.52 # lfaraone: I don't know anything about the installer, maybe someone else can help you 01.04.16 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.04.21 # but it's getting a bit late over here in europe, so a lot of people will be sleeping 01.04.33 # haha. im same timezone.. 01.04.37 # shotofadds (for the logs): http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081004#10:24:49 01.04.44 # Damn. 01.04.50 # what zip program are you using? 01.05.32 # Munkie: I don't know, I'd assume it's the standard one. 01.05.51 # Munkie: The GUI has a "install everything" button, it downloads and extracts. 01.06.08 # Munkie: it throughs an error on extraction. (this is the rockbox QT app) 01.07.11 # oh. maybe try running it on a different pc? or have you specufied where your player is? eg: the drive and what player it is. there is an auto detect button but im not sure if it works so well. 01.07.21 Join blkhawk [0] (n=blkhawk@g226132085.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.07.49 # does it say, "Downloading rockbox"? 01.08.30 # what player do u have? 01.09.36 # can bidi_l2v() be called by multiple concurrent threads? 01.10.15 # Munkie: iPod nano. 01.11.07 # Munkie: "Downloading file rockbox.zip; Download finished; Extracting file; Extracting failed: Unable to create directory." 01.11.41 # ok i have an ipod video, so im guessing things are the same. 01.11.41 # funman: Nope. 01.12.03 # funman: And if that would really be the cause, it would break the full version as well 01.12.11 # amiconn: right 01.12.14 # pixelma: there is a patch in the tracker to add the remote keys to the im 01.12.15 # sim 01.12.47 # maybe this change just make a race condition more likely to be hit due to speeding up execution ? 01.12.56 # Actually, my 'nope' wasn't entirely correct. It can be called both by the main thread and the scroll thread 01.13.10 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.51 # lfaraone: which tab is selected in the GUI? 01.14.00 # But rockbox has cooperative threading, and neither bidi_l2v() nor its caller does yield, so this is no problem 01.14.31 # hehe... Album Hart :D 01.15.00 # It would be a problem if someone would move the scroll thread to the COP on PP, but most likely not the only problem such a move would cause 01.15.14 # amiconn: just exploring the possible problems that diff is causing 01.16.06 # Munkie: The first one. 01.16.33 # Munkie: "Quick start" 01.17.07 # funman: I presume the problem lies in the other code (which is affected by that commit) 01.17.08 Quit ender` (" If I had only finished this sentence,") 01.17.18 # (continued in private message) 01.17.41 # amiconn: I the other file modified in that commit was only used by archos target 01.17.49 # + thought 01.17.56 # I know, it was my commit after all 01.18.11 # I mean the code vitja and shotofadds have problems with 01.18.49 # how is it affected by this commit then, execution speed? 01.19.55 # If the other code is correct, it shouldn't be affected. But if there's a bug, it can very well be affected by the changed memory layout (one static array less) 01.20.16 # I installed Rockbox 2008-08-24 with build r18339 (on my Mini 2gen). Everything works perfectly, so I don't see any reason to upgrade because of that, but what's your idea? 01.20.29 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 01.21.09 # Zambezi: if it works fine, don't change it. 01.21.45 # Zambezi, though you can get at least 10% longer runtime with MP3 by updating, you can get working recording, and other fixes. 01.21.49 # funman: Then I won't. I finally fixed my iPod (had to replace a sparepart). 01.22.18 # funman: bad advice, imo 01.22.52 # Upgrading rockbox almost always pays off (e.g. the mp3 optimisation you mentioned) 01.23.03 # amiconn: It like works good, but might work even better. 01.23.30 # there have been some very nice bugfixes since 18339 01.24.38 # soap: That's what I thought since it's been a long time (and my clickwheel broke so I haven't used for like a month). 01.26.53 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 01.28.02 # First time ever I think it sucks it's Friday tomorrow. I need a docappointment, but won't be awake 08.00 to get an "emergencytime". 01.28.26 # Maybe too offtopic. Forget about that. ;-) 01.29.43 Quit Waldo000000 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.17 # soap: I think the Minis can't record 01.36.46 Quit HBK () 01.37.49 # oh well, I think you're right. The MP3 and bug fixes still stand ;) 01.38.00 # infact, I'm sure you're right. 01.38.27 # blind parsing of the changelog never did anybody any good. 01.43.59 Quit funman ("leaving") 01.45.05 # Where is the souce for the GUI installer utility? 01.52.58 # where the rest of the source is (in the rbutil subfolder) 01.54.47 Join genterminl_ [0] (n=chatzill@64-252-35-53.adsl.snet.net) 01.55.26 Nick genterminl_ is now known as genterminl (n=chatzill@64-252-35-53.adsl.snet.net) 02.00.27 # pixelma: ah, ok. 02.02.17 Part Munkie 02.04.10 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 02.06.44 Quit Tetracomm ("For free and legal cellphone downloads, visit: http://www.kompulsa.com") 02.35.42 Join OK_KID_7 [0] (n=OK_KID_7@72.9.78.66) 02.36.47 Quit courtc (Remote closed the connection) 02.36.50 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 02.37.48 Quit lasser ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070200]") 02.38.21 # got rockbox on my 30 g ipod, and working ok 02.38.38 # is it possible to manage the songs on the ipod without using itunes? 02.39.05 # of course. you can just drag and drop if you want. 02.39.24 # the database shows the songs loaded by itunes....but i am looking at how to upload songs without itunes, directly to the ipod, if that is possible? 02.39.34 Join Waldo000000 [0] (n=roy@203-219-228-242-gee-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) 02.39.51 # drag and drop the song or song folders to the ipod icon on my laptop? 02.40.19 # OK_KID_7, your ipod is just a portable hard drive. put the music wherever YOU want it. 02.40.38 # i tried opening up the "files" folder on the ipod and putting some music in there....then i clicked to play them that way.....and it bombed out! 02.41.42 Join HBK [0] (i=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.41.50 # after it bombed out all i could get it to do, was display "root" no matter what....so i have reloaded it and put rockbox back on it. so i am trying to avoid doing that again.... 02.42.01 Part Waldo000000 02.42.27 # using compaq laptop v6000 and windows vista. 02.43.56 Join dimension1281 [0] (n=jason@dialup-4.252.64.71.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 02.44.20 # what do you mean by "bombed out" 02.45.37 # that meant it showed the music in the data base, but when i clicked on it to play, it would not play at all. 02.45.55 # it displayed the name of the song, and then said "roo", and that was all. 02.46.06 # nothing i could do would change anything.... 02.46.20 # what kind of files are they then? 02.49.06 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.49.28 # the files i loaded was music, mp3 02.50.04 # anyway, i tried just a few minutes ago, the advice of drag and drop to the ipod icon on my computer, and that worked. 02.50.50 # it loaded the music in the "files" folder; the ituntes music that was on the device is loaded under the "database", but both are on the device now..... 02.51.03 # and that is what i was after.....so i am thankful... 02.51.42 # i heard about rockbox on the "floss" podcast.....so i thought i would try it out.....pretty snazzy! 02.52.50 # OK_KID_7, well, you can find a lot of information in the rockbox manual, so do check it out sometime :) 02.56.12 # i breezed thru some of that, but had a hard time with it..... 02.56.20 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 02.56.28 # thanks for the help..... 02.56.45 Quit dimension128 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.56.59 Part OK_KID_7 02.58.51 Quit krazykit ("later taters") 03.03.16 Join wormjim [0] (n=wormjim@c-98-208-43-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.03.47 # I had a quick rock box question for video ipod, any help? 03.05.18 # Did anybody else read that as a "quick brown fox"? 03.05.34 # lol I see that now 03.07.26 # would video out work on rockbox using the usb composite cable? 03.14.42 Quit wormjim ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 03.21.42 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.24.33 Part pixelma 03.24.52 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.30.28 Quit XavierGr () 03.32.15 # JdGordon, is your new WPS tag (volume button yes/no) able to be used as a conditional? 03.32.26 # yes 03.32.31 # that was the whole point of it :D 03.51.33 Join dimension128 [0] (n=jason@dialup-4.252.65.237.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 03.51.33 Quit dimension1281 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.30 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 03.55.03 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-73-84.lightsey.resnet.clemson.edu) 03.55.33 Quit n17ikh|Lappy (Nick collision from services.) 03.55.38 Nick n17ikh is now known as n17ikh|Lappy (n=n17ikh@130-127-73-84.lightsey.resnet.clemson.edu) 03.57.24 Quit obo ("bye") 04.11.08 Join Tetracomm [0] (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) 04.13.01 # Hey, how can I tell an iPod to dual-boot rockbox and proprietary-iPodSoftware? 04.15.43 # I'm not fully understanding what the plans are for supporting the Philips GoGear devices. The 9200 ok, and there is mention of the 3100 Series. Does this mean that my SA3346/37 may be supported in the near future, because it falls between these model numbers? Or just wish-full thinking on my part? 04.19.06 # Never mind, I'm RTFM. 04.19.15 Part lfaraone 04.19.21 Quit Musume1-2 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.25.59 # dimension128: there are no "plans" for future ports 04.26.11 # if someone comes along with the expertise and inclination to do one then it might happen 04.32.30 Join lfaraone [0] (n=LukeFara@wikipedia/firefoxman) 04.38.05 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@g226195149.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.39.30 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.39.55 # Ok, is there any way to make the ROLO load iPod's software by default, and the Rockbox as an alternate? 04.40.02 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@g226195149.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.40.31 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.40.58 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@ppp-70-242-15-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.43.41 Quit Tetracomm ("For free and legal cellphone downloads, visit: http://www.kompulsa.com") 04.47.01 # lfaraone: no 04.47.14 # unless you're willing to compile your own bootloader which has risks and is unsupported 04.48.53 # safetydan: plus, I have no experience in whatever language the loader is written in :) 04.50.18 Quit dimension128 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.50.24 # safetydan: ( I'm trying to convince one of my friends to use rockbox (primarilly for watching videos) and they'd only allow it if they didn't have to do anyhting to boot "normally", they like using iTunes... sigh) 04.52.28 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECEC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.52.48 # safetydan: Thanks. 04.53.41 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 04.55.12 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.56.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.04.52 Join tamahome02000 [0] (n=4426ddee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-243bcc390888a48b) 05.05.09 # test 05.06.20 # the installer has a fundamental flaw, it after the bootloader, it writes to the mountpoint when it's no longer mounted, then that directory can't be used for mounting for the rockbox install 05.06.54 # in osx 05.07.07 # ipod 30 gig 05.08.15 Quit tamahome02000 (Client Quit) 05.08.42 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-25ca1721cc105530) 05.08.49 # tamahome02000: yes I think that bug is well known 05.32.22 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.34.41 Quit Horscht ("IRC is just multiplayer notepad") 05.35.25 Join Waldo000000 [0] (n=roy@203-219-228-242-gee-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) 05.59.36 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@134.173.59.155) 06.03.49 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 06.21.28 Join AndyIL [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 06.21.39 Quit ajonat () 06.23.21 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 06.33.15 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.30 Quit DismalArcadia (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.39.41 Join DismalArcadia [0] (n=DismalAr@dsl5400D8F3.pool.t-online.hu) 06.42.29 Quit Zarggg () 06.46.01 Join Ketrel [0] (n=hackertr@pool-72-82-225-105.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) 06.46.43 # Quick question, on the Sansa c200 series, when I try to add file to a new playlist, it wants me to enter a name. 2 things on that, how do you backspace, and how do you say ok after you're finished? 06.51.24 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.56.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.08.19 # Ketrel: Controls for the virtual keyboard should be in the manual. 07.08.28 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 07.09.48 # Llorean: I thought so, but I'm not having an easy time finding it, lemme download the PDF (I printed it) maybe I can seach for the text then 07.12.49 # yup found it, thanks 07.14.39 Join kronflux [0] (n=kronflux@blk-138-78-15.eastlink.ca) 07.24.57 Part safetydan 07.25.20 Quit scorche|sh (SendQ exceeded) 07.26.31 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 07.35.20 Quit fyre^OS ("irc protip: press alt-f4 to open the super secret mirc console window!") 07.38.41 Part J-23 07.40.03 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 07.42.24 Join crc [0] (n=crc@75-164-165-210.ptld.qwest.net) 07.42.34 Quit courtc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.43.00 Quit kronflux ("Leaving") 07.43.33 # hey guys I was wondering does rockbox run on the apple 160gb ipod? 07.43.39 # cause I can't tell which gen that is 07.44.22 # Is it Classic, Shuffle or Nano? 07.44.27 # no 07.44.28 # it's a classic 07.44.38 # http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 07.44.45 # only 160gb model listed is the classic 07.45.00 # "Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano 07.45.01 # (not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)", as http://rockbox.org says 07.45.05 # yeah classic. so rockbox won't run on it? it's 6th gen I guess. 07.45.12 # damn. 07.45.35 # sorry for pasting two lines, I forgot to merge it to one message 07.45.47 # well thanks 07.48.11 Quit crc () 08.04.17 Quit J-23 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.04.32 Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl) 08.11.40 Part Waldo000000 08.15.37 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-23b02f7957657ff9) 08.19.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 08.26.58 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.28.21 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.30.41 Join scorche|sh [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 08.35.48 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.36.36 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.40.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD51A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.42.16 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0fa6ff48584f616b) 08.44.10 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.46.17 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 08.48.06 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.50.04 Part Ketrel 08.51.52 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 08.56.09 Join daurnimas [0] (n=daurn@dsl-220-235-225-171.vic.westnet.com.au) 08.56.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.58.18 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.07.11 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.17.52 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.18.43 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.20.31 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@218.94.142.3) 09.23.17 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.25.03 Join Waldo000000 [0] (n=roy@203-219-228-242-gee-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) 09.25.44 # B4gder: Did you get my question from last night? 09.26.46 # no 09.27.28 # log 00:40 09.27.37 # * B4gder goes to check 09.28.56 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 09.29.15 # you think there's any risk in doing it unconditonally for all binutils 2.17 builds? 09.30.52 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 09.31.49 Quit pixelma2 ("-") 09.31.59 Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.32.36 # if you haven't seen, we need to fix the build for ubuntu 8.10 as well 09.32.53 # rockboxdev ? 09.32.59 # or what build do you mean? 09.33.03 # yes 09.33.19 # they probably use gcc 4.3 09.33.29 # ubunty has enabled -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, which our old gcc version barfs on 09.33.40 # uh 09.33.45 # so either we run with CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE or we fix the errors with a patch 09.33.46 Join Darksair` [0] (n=user@218.94.142.3) 09.35.06 # * B4gder reads FS#9467 09.35.51 # anyone knows anything about the "firmware/target/arm/crt0.S" he adds? 09.35.57 # (funman being "he") 09.36.58 # B4gder: No, but there does seem to be too much copy/paste going on with all the ARM ports in general.... The crt0.S files could perhaps be specific to the ARM architecture. 09.36.58 # it seems to be added for the as3525 case only so I don't see why it's not put in the 3525 directory 09.37.07 # yes 09.37.13 # possibly that's what he wants 09.38.38 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 09.40.29 Quit Darksair` (Remote closed the connection) 09.41.32 Join Darksair` [0] (n=user@218.94.142.3) 09.43.47 # Zagor: so -U sounds like the quicker fix... 09.43.57 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.44.09 # is it the gcc build that fails? 09.44.28 # yes 09.44.53 # -U leaves warnings for the problems but at least it completes 09.45.20 # the problem is open(O_CREAT) without use of a 'mode' argument 09.46.19 # so it would be a rather easy patch too then? 09.46.51 # probably, yes. 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It's not very likely to encounter that though, except with the (known broken) gcc 4.2.0 for Interix 10.37.39 # but then of course identifying a native gcc 4.3 isn't that hard, we already have code in configure that does this 10.52.07 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 10.53.56 Part Waldo000000 10.57.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.54 # Did anybody try to hack e200v2 LCD screen? 11.06.57 Quit reacocard (".") 11.07.48 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.09.27 # J-23: i hope so - I have a v2 :) 11.09.59 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@WL-358.CINE.HMC.Edu) 11.11.40 Join ze0 [0] (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 11.12.04 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.18.15 Join numbertron [0] (i=f-u@ACBE453E.ipt.aol.com) 11.18.38 # is there a way to make mods not show up in the database? 11.18.46 # seeing as they can't be tagged 11.19.26 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 11.21.29 Join Waldo000000 [0] (n=roy@203-219-228-242-gee-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) 11.23.18 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.23.18 Nick ze0 is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-75-82-143-231.socal.res.rr.com) 11.24.20 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 11.25.03 # numbertron: yes, search for database.ignore in the manual 11.26.42 # oh hey, that makes that easy considering my mods are all in one folder anyway 11.26.43 # thanks 11.58.35 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 12.07.20 Part facta 12.11.32 # anyone feel like helping me out with a compile problem? I'm trying to work on #8499, but I'm banging my head against this : http://pastie.org/289314, and getting nowhere.... 12.15.07 # that's a lot of errors 12.15.26 # * GodEater wonders if it's something to with there being both a function prototype for read_uint16le, and a #define for it 12.15.36 # Zagor: I know, but it's less than when I started ;) 12.15.54 # that sounds like it could confuse the compiler a bit, yes... 12.16.37 # the problem is, I have no idea why it's done that way 12.16.57 # I don't see a patch in #8499 12.16.58 # and clearly it compiles ok when you're doing an actual build 12.17.09 # Zagor: there isn't one, but I can post what I have if you want ? 12.17.32 # it's just changes to the Makefile in tools 12.17.44 # ah, now I read the description :) 12.17.53 # sure, let me have a look 12.19.36 # http://pastie.org/289323 12.19.48 # I won't bother attaching it to the ticket until I can at least get it to compile 12.20.24 # although since that's the point of the exercise, perhaps I should 12.20.26 # =/ 12.21.05 # but those CFLAG changes should probably go in another variable, since they shouldn't apply to everything in there, so it needs work 12.23.05 # * GodEater runs to the bathroom quickly 12.27.32 # who defines the __PCTOOL__ define? 12.27.48 # ah, found it 12.33.10 # those defines certainly do look odd 12.33.38 # linuxstb's work if the file header is to be believed 12.33.56 # and since he's much cleverer than me, I suspect there's a good reason for them 12.33.58 # annotate is your friend :) 12.34.08 # it would be if I had svn access 12.34.10 # but I don't 12.34.15 # making do with the source tarball 12.34.17 # http://svn.rockbox.org 12.34.35 # will try it 12.34.43 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/metadata/metadata_common.h?annotate=17847 to be specific 12.34.50 Join reacocard_ [0] (n=reacocar@WL-358.CINE.HMC.Edu) 12.35.13 Quit reacocard (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.36.14 # yep, that looks like linuxstb ;) 12.36.29 # indeed 12.37.37 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.37.51 # I don't understand how it works though :( 12.39.32 # it sure looks confused 12.39.59 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 12.40.08 Join how [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 12.40.09 # * Zagor uses his mind powers to summon linuxstb 12.41.52 Quit how (Client Quit) 12.42.07 # the memcmp warning is fixed by adding #include btw 12.42.33 # cool 12.42.49 # and (void)argc; (void)argv; gets rid of the database.c warnings 12.43.20 Join how [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 12.45.27 Quit how (Client Quit) 12.47.28 Join HBK- [0] (i=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 12.47.51 # nah, not confusing at all. you're simply lacking an endian define, so it takes whatever is on the other side of #ifdef. 12.48.05 # add -D ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN to Makefile 12.48.11 # (for now) 12.50.10 # and -D CONFIG_CODEC=SWCODEC 12.51.40 # and you probably want to use uisimulator/sdl/thread-sdl.c instead of firmware/thread.c 12.53.25 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 12.53.33 # Slasheri was responsible for the database tool and (I'm 99% sure) introducing the __PCTOOL__ define.... 12.54.07 # I may have added more __PCTOOL__ defines when I wrote checkwps 12.55.47 Quit HBK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.57.36 # * linuxstb remembers thinking that the Rockbox database code (and other things) are too tightly integrated into Rockbox, with no clear abstraction - and that makes things like checkwps and the standalone database tool hard to do nicely. 12.58.29 # it sure looks like it 12.59.50 # I can't see why the pc tool would have to use our threading code, io code etc 13.00.26 # * B4gder agrees 13.00.31 # I think apps/ has just grown too large, and every part is dependent on every other part.... 13.00.32 # cleaning that up is probably the better way to proceed, rather than trying to shoehorn the current code through the compiler 13.00.51 # * linuxstb agrees 13.01.06 # in general such cleanups also helps the general readability 13.02.30 # Just thinking aloud, maybe we could have something like apps/libs/ which contains things like the database code, WPS parser etc, designed from day one to be built independently. 13.02.42 # that would be great 13.02.54 # linuxstb: I was just thinking of a libs/ dir too 13.02.55 # * linuxstb hopes our friend Mr Someone has some free time 13.03.05 # Mr someone is great! 13.04.03 # metadata/ is practically a lib already, if it weren't for id3/mp3 being embedded so deeply in other code 13.05.32 # the id3 code needs to be split into "metadata" and actual "id3" code 13.06.36 # how hard can it be? ;) 13.10.13 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 13.10.45 Quit numbertron ("There are many but none in CANADA") 13.13.01 Quit daurnimas (Client Quit) 13.13.38 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.14.43 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 13.17.40 # Zagor: Splitting out the id3 requires both playback engines in apps/ 13.17.50 # *id3 code 13.21.48 # why? 13.23.29 # Well, unless you put the lib into firmware/, but imho that'd be the wrong place 13.23.48 # Zagor: on hwcoded the mp3 playback is still in firmware 13.23.56 # hwcodec 13.24.08 Part B4gder 13.27.39 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@121.229.227.209) 13.27.58 # * GodEater proproses /apps /firmware and /stuff_which_belongs_in_neither 13.28.43 # * GodEater now gives up - I can't make panic.c compile for the PC 13.30.43 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@nmd.sbx09467.newyony.wayport.net) 13.35.32 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dsm156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.37.45 Quit gregzx (Nick collision from services.) 13.37.50 Nick gregzx_ is now known as gregzx (n=chatzill@dsm156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.46.49 Join pierre- [0] (n=pierre@89.179.92.9) 13.53.50 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Ka-chunka") 13.55.55 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 13.59.30 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@dtr12.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.11.57 # amiconn: I once looked at moving the hwcodec id3 handling into apps/, and it didn't look impossible to do whilst still leaving the low-level MAS stuff in firmware. What do you think prevents it? 14.12.35 Join kachna|lappy [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 14.15.46 Quit MrDuck (No route to host) 14.17.36 Quit gregzx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.03 Join webguest44 [0] (n=dee176d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2b7f8ca57d5e0973) 14.21.22 # I just compiled recorder with mpeg.c in apps. only a single line, #include dac.h, had to be fixed. 14.23.29 Join unixbreak [0] (n=unix_uni@89.40.127.108.static.netlog.ro) 14.23.39 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsc140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 14.24.36 Quit webguest44 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.24.45 Part unixbreak 14.27.11 # having things like mas_codec_writereg() in apps isn't ideal, but those can always be moved/abstracted if we want to 14.31.04 # Zagor: most of the work to move mpeg.c to apps is already done 14.31.04 Quit HBK- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.31.15 Join HBK- [0] (i=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 14.31.22 # LinusN: apparently. it just slotted into place without problems. 14.31.35 # same with id3.c and replaygain.c 14.31.45 # the audio api was the biggest deal 14.32.03 # those 3 are the only files in firmware/ that uses the mp3entry struct 14.32.29 # so with those moved we would be free to split id3 and metadata handling 14.34.05 # So, commit the move of those files, and then take it from there? 14.35.19 # Hrmm, mas_codec_writereg() in apps... 14.35.59 # amiconn: we can abstract it off to mas.c, but to what gain? 14.39.22 # I'll commit this now. we can put lipstick on it later if we want... 14.39.58 Quit gregzx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.41.43 # Zagor: have you built all mas targets? 14.42.00 # including sim? 14.42.14 # no, just recorder. 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I'll try to add support for itunes gapless MP3 later. 15.08.42 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 15.08.46 Part LinusN 15.11.32 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.11.39 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.19.35 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-141-178.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.25.57 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 15.27.47 # Bagder: I added firmware/target/arm/crt0.S but not the reference to it 15.28.54 Quit culture (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.29.29 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.30.21 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 15.32.22 # dan_a did it in r10830 15.33.22 # and aliaskremoved it in r15965 , for the Gigabeast: Moved crt0.S to imx31 subdirectory, as it was the last target using the unified file. 15.34.58 # we should move as many as possible to the unified one imho 15.45.21 Join w3ccv [0] (n=mvore@pool-72-81-237-122.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) 15.47.42 Quit Darksair (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.48.40 Join Lambdumb [0] (n=Lambda@12-203-112-233.client.mchsi.com) 15.50.14 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-48d47cfd22758959) 15.55.32 # Do we have anything written down which determines where the /firmware and .apps split should occur? 15.56.10 # I'm wondering if a nice layer/block diagram would be useful. 16.03.40 Quit funman ("leaving") 16.04.40 Part Waldo000000 16.05.30 # pondlife: afaik no 16.06.03 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.11.41 Join crashmat1ix [0] (n=crashmat@s5590785f.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 16.14.47 # * pondlife finds http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SourceLayout 16.15.48 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 16.17.25 # Anyone know why when I start my ipod up rockbox says database is not ready? (despite all my music being in it) 16.18.20 # Another silly question: why do we have yield() and sleep(0) ? I'd imagine both should do the same thing, although sleep(0) stands a better chance of putting the CPU into sleep mode. 16.19.04 # i.e. what's the advantage of yield() over sleep(0)? 16.19.06 Quit crashmatrix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.19.21 # faemir: "in it" in what way? 16.19.50 # when I go on database in the root menu all that is on my ipod is there. 16.19.58 # plus it's set to autoupdate etc 16.20.03 # faemir: have you restarted by holding Play or by holding centre and Menu? 16.20.07 # I particularly like the "yield(); yield(); yield();" line in recording.c ;) 16.20.08 # * domonoky would think yield() does "nothing" if there is no other thread ready. sleep(0) always sleeps atleast to the end of the tick 16.20.17 # faemir: What *exactly* does it say, then, about the database not being ready (and in what screen)? 16.20.40 # exact phrase: database is not ready 16.20.43 # and when I boot it up 16.20.47 # after the rockbox screen 16.20.48 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.49 # domonoky: I'd think so too, but it's sometimes hard to know which to use. 16.20.50 # before I can control it 16.20.53 # at the root menu 16.21.03 # faemir: Without pressing any buttons? 16.21.09 # What do you have the resume screen set to? 16.21.19 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 16.21.34 # resume screen? You mean when I turn it on? It's the root menu (files, database etc) 16.21.58 # faemir: Please, answer my questions in the order asked, since I do need to know everything I've asked to try to help you. 16.22.15 # I missed the other question sorry 16.22.17 # I'm trying to install rockBox on an iPod Classic 120GB - the currenty available one. any secrets, the installer does not recognize it. 16.22.17 # faemir: As to that, I want to know what the setting for the start up screen is set to, not what screen you actually end up in. 16.22.17 # holding play 16.22.26 # Why are you holding play on startup? 16.22.37 # w3ccv: It is not supported. 16.22.39 # I'm not 16.22.40 # w3ccv: see the frontpage, rockbox does not run on the classic 16.22.42 # that's the shut it down 16.22.46 # then pressing menu to start it up 16.22.47 # pondlife: that's a good question. i like the expressionist aspect of triple yields though :-) 16.22.53 # hehe 16.23.09 # start screen is set to database 16.23.31 # faemir: That sounds like the problem then. If you can get to the database *after* it boots up, it's trying to go into the database before it's ready during boot. 16.23.35 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 16.23.40 # faemir: I'd recommend filing a bug report on this,. 16.23.40 # reminds me of the old battleship vs. lighthouse joke 16.23.52 # Llorean: odd, I just changed it to main menu and it's not saying it anymore O_o 16.23.54 # real quick faemir 16.24.03 # question Llorean 16.24.06 # faemir: Obviously it won't say it any more... it's not trying to go in there too early now... 16.24.14 # :P 16.24.27 # is shutting down via holsing play and restarting via menu+select the same after db initialize? 16.24.31 # Okay, well I wanted it to go to the main menu anyway, dunno why it wasn't set 16.24.35 # *holding 16.24.38 # Dementio: You don't need to hold menu+select. 16.24.43 # just asking 16.24.45 # faemir: Please, file a bug report. 16.24.45 # I think it's a bug. Either it should work or Database shouldn't be an option 16.24.47 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 16.24.49 # i just do that out of habit 16.24.49 # lol 16.24.59 # Dementio: It's already off, so holding menu+select won't affect anything Rockbox cares about 16.25.02 # Llorean: okay 16.25.12 # Dementio: menu+select is a hard reset 16.25.17 # Another question: is it possible to shutdown then start up without it showing the apple logo, instead to just go straight back to how it was? 16.25.42 # faemir: No 16.25.44 # faemir: The Apple Logo is in flash, we can't bypass it without replacing the flash data. 16.25.45 # Dementio: if rockbox tells you to reboot, press play to shut down 16.26.01 # i know, what i mean is, after you initialize the database, and it says to restart, is shutting down by holding down the play button good? 16.26.04 # n1s: He's pressing play to shut down. He's just holding Menu+Select to wake it back up for some raeson. 16.26.06 # ah 16.26.07 # ok 16.26.09 # Okay, thanks. 16.26.35 # Dementio: At least, I THOUGHT you were holding down play and then holding menu+select. 16.26.43 # sorry 16.26.50 # Llorean: ah, i read the question as asking if shutting down is the same as resetting 16.26.51 # * Llorean read it as an additive and, rather than an "as opposed to" and. 16.26.53 # bee drinking a little 16.26.54 # lol 16.26.57 # I think I misunderstood actually 16.27.08 # mk 16.27.57 # i prolly coulda typed it a little clearer 16.30.48 # anyone happen to have a linux script to rescale an image to 100x100 and convert to bmp? 16.30.53 # this is getting monotonous 16.31.38 # Llorean: done. 16.32.33 # Dementio: I'm pretty sure there is one on the wiki 16.32.40 # dur 16.32.41 # On the ALbumArt page believe it or not 16.32.41 # thanks 16.32.45 # lol 16.32.57 # sad part is, i saw that when i was at work 16.34.44 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECEC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.35.26 Quit courtc (Remote closed the connection) 16.35.29 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-24-99-230-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 16.38.12 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.39.15 Join dfego [0] (n=ISLab@68-245-56-6.area3.spcsdns.net) 16.40.11 Join fluteflute [0] (n=greg@79-72-94-247.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 16.46.08 # I've been poking around for information on why some of my mp4 files won't play, and I've figured out that they're at least nominally different (one is "version 1" and the other is "iTunes AAC-LC"). Has anyone hit this before? I previously assumed they were the same, but the former won't play in Rockbox. 16.46.48 # Hello! Please can I have write permissions to the wiki (as user 'fluteflute'). Thanks! 16.46.55 # dfego: "MP4" isn't a specific type of audio. it's just a container. Imagine it like the computer equivalent of a plastic bag, you can put all kinds of stuff in it. 16.47.08 # fluteflute: You might want to re-read the guidelines for wiki accounts. 16.47.15 # fluteflute: No, you have to register using your real name on the wiki. 16.47.31 # sorry, I did use GregAuger 16.47.32 # Llorean: I've been learning about that recently. They're both showing up as MPEG v4 files, with the version and itunes bit being in addition 16.47.47 # With the Linux "file" command, is where I'm seeing this. 16.47.57 # I use fluteflute normally so I typed that here my mistake :p 16.48.05 # dfego: Well, 'iTunes AAC-LC' suggests that the data in it is AAC-LC audio, which we support 16.48.24 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-68-173-234-148.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.48.26 # I suspect 'version 1' is describing the MP4 itself, and not what's in it, so you need to figure out what it really contains. 16.49.42 # Llorean: Well I ripped it myself from a high-quality youtube video. ffmpeg pegs it as "mpeg4aac" 16.51.02 # dfego: AAC has many profiles (such as the previously mentioned LC). 16.51.48 # Llorean/Lambdumb: is the GregAuger account acceptable? 16.52.41 # Llorean: So it's probably a fair guess I need to read up on my audio codecs a bit further. And then convert to a non-mpeg4 format once I determine it won't work :-P 16.52.50 # fluteflute: Done. Please do not spam. 16.52.56 # fluteflute: Oi oi, I'm LambdaCalculus37, not Lambdumb! 16.53.30 # dfego: Well, we support AAC-LC and AAC-HE but HE is unlikely to work consistently on all players (it's much more computationally complex) 16.53.36 # Thank you. Sorry LambdaCalculus37! 16.53.47 # dfego: The other thing is that the MP4 could just be tagged in a bad way. You could ask foobart to optimize the MP4 layout. 16.54.53 # Llorean: I read about that just a little while ago. Wasn't sure if that was the particular issue. I suppose I can muck with it. foobar is a Windows-only program though, correct? 16.55.31 # Yeah 16.55.45 # It may be possible to run it in WINE. 16.56.14 # Are you aware if the necessary functionality is available in another program? Or is this a particularly unique thing to foobar? 16.56.34 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.56.35 # Not aware of anything else that has an explicit function for it. 16.57.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.57.34 # I've read of something called mp4box that can probably do something similar but may require some tinkering. All I know is it's a tool for working with MP4 containers, and I can't imagine it not offering *some* way to prepare/optimize for streaming 16.58.53 # Thank you very much for the tips! I'm surely on the right path now. 16.58.59 Part fluteflute 16.59.32 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 17.00.32 Quit dfego () 17.01.18 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 17.03.38 Join webguest68 [0] (n=d5bad643@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0ddef86c57016cc3) 17.03.39 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 17.03.50 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8ac947b4e707bf64) 17.05.16 # Llorean: could you test the FS#9369 bootloader (a bit down in the comments) on your nano? 17.05.48 # n1s: Sure, lemme go get it. Anything specific to look for, or just "does it boot?" 17.06.25 # well, ideally boot rockbox/OF and usb detection nothing special 17.06.37 # Does the iPod bootloader *do* USB detection now? 17.06.52 # I though so, maybe they don't... 17.07.25 # Didn't in the past, at least 17.07.35 # n1s: Let me try with my video and color iPods. 17.08.06 # probably me confusing them with something else then 17.08.08 # Booting with USB plugged in on my ipods has always ended up with a hung Rockbox interface 17.08.28 # GodEater: oh, nice 17.09.06 # That's a 2.0 bootloader currently (with no apparent USB code in the bootloader itself afaict) 17.09.18 # n1s: New hardware appeared in XP: "Rockbox Media Player"; my iPod color was detected. 17.09.30 # n1s: Bootloader does everything normal for me.\ 17.09.30 # n1s: These new ones are 3.0, right? 17.09.48 # Llorean: great, thanks! 17.09.49 # Never mind... interface hung. 17.09.52 # did anyone meet with error: "I03: AddrErr at 003F2BC4" on iRiver H3x0? i flashed friend's "usa" h340 with rockbox and get this message when tried to boot in rockbox, on my "eu" H340 with the same firmware - no problems 17.10.02 # LambdaCalculus37: yes, 3.0' 17.10.18 # GodEater: My nano is perfectly happy with USB plugged in while it's off. Boots into Rockbox then reboots into disk mode (or if Hold is on, boots straight into Apple OS) 17.10.21 # * LambdaCalculus37 resets his iPod and lets it boot to the OF 17.10.59 # Llorean: My color hung at the main menu. 17.11.42 # * GodEater is willing to try it again now to check 17.11.53 # Bagder: I think we can put the new ipod bootloaders on download.rockbox.org now, can you grab them from FS#9369 (a bit down in the comments) or should i send a zip somewhere? 17.11.59 # LambdaCalculus37: I have technology problems. Things just *work* around me a lot, even when they shouldn't. Makes reproducing bugs a bit hard. 17.12.16 # n1s: A version of iPodPatcher should be compiled with them built in before we put them up. 17.12.19 # Llorean: :) 17.12.46 # Don't want to be offering two different versions of the bootloader depending on how you choose to install Rockbox. 17.12.49 # Llorean: ok, I can do a linux build, what others do we need? 17.12.54 # with my current Rockbox build, which includes our usb stack, I get no hang during boot 17.12.56 # n1s: Windows and Mac OS X. 17.13.40 # GodEater: Mine was a regular SVN build without the USB stack. I should roll one with the USB stack enabled, then. 17.13.55 # * n1s wants volunteers to build for windows and osx then 17.15.08 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.19.20 # n1s: I can build ipodpatch for OS X. 17.19.30 # *ipodpatcher 17.20.11 # LambdaCalculus37: great, we should probably attach them to the task so bagder can grab everything from one place when he has time 17.20.21 # n1s: No problem. 17.20.55 # n1s: Just a quick refresher... ipodpatcher is built by invoking "make tools", or is the command different? 17.22.13 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher/Makefile?revision=18364&view=markup 17.23.48 # * n1s guesses a 'make' in the ipodpatcher dir... 17.24.24 # n1s: And we have to make a universal binary. 17.24.46 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.24.53 # i'd guess so but i have absolutely no idea about osx stuff 17.24.55 Join webguest68 [0] (n=d5bad643@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-79db252c23796f55) 17.25.05 # LambdaCalculus37: And it needs to have the .ipod files there to compile them in 17.26.20 # Llorean: Understood. 17.27.00 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-141-178.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.28.03 Quit webguest68 (Client Quit) 17.29.12 # LambdaCalculus37: hold on, need to update a version string in ipodpatcher too 17.30.05 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB20B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.30.45 # n1s: Okay. 17.30.52 # change main.c:34 to v3.0 bootloaders 17.31.17 # n1s: Okay, will do. 17.31.45 # * LambdaCalculus37 has to wait about an hour before he can do anything, but should be able to get this done 17.32.21 Join Tetracomm [0] (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) 17.32.41 # I require the assistance and advice of the RBUtil maestros on building universal binaries in OS X. 17.33.47 # * LambdaCalculus37 summons domonoky 17.33.59 # * domonoky waves 17.34.02 Quit at0m|c ("runaway rmmod reboot") 17.34.11 # Yay, my summon spell worked. :) 17.34.14 Quit fophillips (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.34.17 # :-) 17.34.40 # domonoky: Do you know how to build a universal binary in OS X? I'm going to make a new build of ipodpatcher but don't want a PPC-only version. 17.35.04 # to build universal binarys, you need universal libs, and then just build rbutil, and run the macos_deploy script.. 17.35.29 # ah, a universal ipodpatcher, hm.. 17.37.27 # it seems the ipodpatcher Makefile is already setup to build universal ipodpatchers with the ipodpatcher-mac target 17.37.38 # Perfect! 17.37.48 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.94.249) 17.38.27 # n1s: I'll get to making the new ipodpatcher on my lunch break, and I'll post it to the tracker. 17.38.42 # LambdaCalculus37: good :) 17.38.45 Quit w3ccv ("Relax, Don't worry, Have a homebrew") 17.38.55 # now we just need a win version then... 17.39.08 # * n1s summons Mr Someone 17.39.58 # he's already doing Something 17.41.20 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.36 # Does mingw work for ipodpatcher? 17.44.16 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 17.45.25 # gevaerts: Yes, it should. I think the previous win32 binaries were (cross-)compiled that way. 17.45.48 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 17.45.49 # In that case, I can try building it 17.45.52 # The Makefile should handle it already if you just type "make ipodpatcher.exe" in Linux 17.46.10 # ipodpatcher from trunk or from v3.0? 17.47.43 # It should be tagged as "ipodpatcher_3_0" (or similar - see earlier tags) 17.47.49 # But from trunk IMO. 17.48.06 # linuxstb: Will do. 17.48.09 # (it's a co-incidence we're releasing ipodpatcher 3.0 at a similar time to Rockbox 3.0) 17.50.11 Join Acky [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 17.51.00 Quit Acky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.51.51 # n1s: Should I post the OS X version packed into a .dmg file, as was done before? 17.51.53 # the both are in the same source repository, but released independantly ? 17.52.31 # Actually, is it ipodpatcher 2.0 with 3.0 bootloaders, or 3.0 all the way? 17.52.49 # gevaerts: 3.0 all the way/ 17.53.06 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 17.53.46 # OK. Added. Can someone who actually has windows and an ipod test it? 17.54.32 Join meven [0] (n=meven@lav35-1-82-236-137-162.fbx.proxad.net) 17.55.35 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 17.56.25 # gevaerts: It launches, but I can't do anything with it because I have no admin rights on my work PC. 17.56.50 # LambdaCalculus37: I actually did the "it launches" test with wine :) 17.57.50 Quit DaCapn (Remote closed the connection) 17.58.29 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 17.59.53 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 18.00.22 Quit fyrestorm ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 18.05.26 Quit meven ("Konversation terminated!") 18.06.33 # hab mal ne Frage zu DVDs: Ich hab einen VIDEO_TS Ordner mit (ungeschützten) VOB IFO und BUP Dateien 18.06.59 # * gevaerts looks at Horscht 18.07.10 # goddamnit 18.07.13 # wrong channel 18.07.14 # sorry 18.07.29 Quit Twisty (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.08.25 Join meven [0] (n=meven@lav35-1-82-236-137-162.fbx.proxad.net) 18.11.29 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.12.13 Quit funman ("leaving") 18.15.24 # linuxstb: should i commit an update to the ipodpatcher version string and tag it in svn? 18.16.10 # n1s: Yes, that's what I've normally done. You should also tag whatever revision you used for the bootloaders. I've done these together in the past, but I guess now we'll need two tags. 18.16.56 # You could branch... 18.16.59 # I've also put a copy of all the .ipod files on the download server in a single zip "bootloaders.zip" in the past, but looking at the download server now, it doesn't seem to be there... 18.17.12 # linuxstb: since ipodpatcher hasn't changed since before the branch we _could_ tag the same revision which would be on the branch then 18.17.31 # That won't have the version string change though. 18.17.57 # Or am I confused? What branch are you talking about? 18.18.05 # I've not read all of the logs, but I assume there's been no progress on the H300 bootloader? (i.e. petur's hard disk issue) 18.18.26 # i could update the string and then tag on the branch as that won't affect bootloaders or is that considered cheating? 18.18.33 Join Twst [0] (n=mhesten@242.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) 18.19.52 # What branch? I was assuming the bootloaders and ipodpatcher would just be tagged from trunk, as they've always been. 18.21.11 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 18.21.48 # linuxstb: the bootloaders were built from the release branch 18.22.10 # * n1s sees no ipodpatcher or ipod bootloader tags in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/tags/ and is confused 18.22.30 # "bootloader_ipods_v2" 18.22.58 # linuxstb: as the plan was to release them together with the release, ah missed that, i thought there would be more 18.23.13 # Seems we only remembered once.... 18.23.48 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 18.24.24 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 18.24.31 # Then I guess it would make sense to commit the ipodpatcher version number bump in both the release branch and trunk, and tag the release branch version as "bootloader_ipods_v3" 18.24.51 # linuxstb: seems sensible, I'll do that 18.26.34 Join nicholas__ [0] (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) 18.26.40 # * linuxstb spots this file - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/bootloaders-info - and wonders if it needs updating 18.26.44 Quit Tetracomm (Nick collision from services.) 18.26.48 Join at0m|c [0] (n=at0m@78-20-136-118.access.telenet.be) 18.27.00 Nick nicholas__ is now known as Tetracomm (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) 18.28.47 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-240-053.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.29.55 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 18.30.53 # would "svn copy svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/tags/bootloader_ipods_v3 -m "Tag for v3.0 release of ipod bootloaders and ipodpatcher"" be the correct way to do this? 18.31.19 # That would tag the trunk version IIUC 18.32.33 # So maybe replace "trunk" in the first URL with "branches/v3_0" 18.32.40 # ah, right 18.33.05 # good thing I asked first :) 18.34.29 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB20B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.36.21 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-8-206-46.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 18.36.21 # Has anyone built a 64-bit linux version of ipodpatcher? 18.36.57 # linuxstb: nope, I could do it but the 32 bit version should work just fine IIUC (it runs ok here at least) 18.37.15 # but maybe you need some 32 bit libs for that 18.37.34 # That's assuming it still works OK on 64-bit... 18.38.22 # i don't have an ipod to test with unfortunately i did a successful install with 32 bit sansapatcher from a 64 bit host once though 18.39.26 # should I build a 64 bit version too? I can't test it more than seeing if it runs though 18.40.11 # n1s: Sure, go for it. 18.40.30 # It would be nice to release one (after it's been tested), but it probably shouldn't hold you back from releasing the other binaries. 18.42.37 # seems to run at least so i'll add it to the task 18.43.09 Quit dabujo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.45.47 # linuxstb: could you perhaps test the 32 bit version? 18.46.04 # Not at the moment - I'm at work, and my ipods are not. 18.46.20 # n1s: I'm build ipodpatcher for OS X now. 18.46.25 # s/build/building 18.51.15 # Hmmm.... 18.51.45 # iPodpatcher sees my iPod, all right... but it's not asking me if I'd like to install the bootloader. 18.52.24 # LambdaCalculus37: did you edit the makefile and put the bootloaders in the source dir? 18.52.47 # n1s: The bootloaders are in the source dir. 18.52.58 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-224-90.dsl.scarlet.be) 18.53.05 # you need to uncomment 2 lines at the top of the makefile 18.53.41 # n1s: The lines that start with BOOTSRC and CFLAGS? 18.53.57 # yes 18.54.25 # Done. 18.54.41 # * LambdaCalculus37 rebuilds 18.55.05 # Working now. :) 18.55.11 # nice :) 18.55.11 # * LambdaCalculus37 packs it into a disk image 18.56.02 # The binary is 412 KB in size; a very nice reduction from the 880 KB binary I have now. :) 18.56.39 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-210-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.57.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.58.01 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 18.59.04 Part pondlife 18.59.21 # n1s: Posted. 18.59.59 # LambdaCalculus37: nice :) we now only need someone to give the windows and linux versions a whirl and we're all set :) 19.00.28 # n1s: Someone with an Intel Mac should also give the Mac version a whirl to make sure it works. 19.00.39 # ah, yes 19.00.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.00.40 # * LambdaCalculus37 wonders who this Someone will be :) 19.04.03 # The linux (32) one seems to work here (mini 2nd gen CF) 19.04.29 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.54 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 19.05.15 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p57BB5289.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.05.24 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-141-178.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.05.33 # The OS X version worked here (4G iPod color). 19.06.11 # * amiconn thinks he has built a 64bit linux ipodpatcher at some point in the past 19.06.26 # At least building ipodpatcher is easy, unlike rbutil 19.06.39 # * LambdaCalculus37 remembers seeing reference to a 64-bit ipodpatcher referenced in the manual 19.06.40 # amiconn: i built one and put it in the tracker task if you want to test 19.07.03 # LambdaCalculus37: there is one hosted on the download site 19.07.28 # also a ppc-linux one but i wonder if anyone around here can build that? 19.07.48 # n1s: You can ask markun; he has an iBook G4 running Debian. 19.08.01 # markun: ping? 19.09.07 # n1s: I think markun left already. 19.09.41 # ah, i think that one can wait as it is hardly something many people uses 19.12.02 # True, but it would still be good to have anyway for any of those oddballs with PPC computers and iPods. :) 19.12.22 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 19.12.33 Quit ajonat (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.13.12 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.107.122) 19.14.39 Join rockboxrox [0] (n=4b127a7b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a3ce9892f4a726a) 19.14.59 # hello fellow rockbox users 19.15.20 # helloes 19.15.48 # question for ya.... is there anyway to get rockbox to display the time on the main screen..( I use a nano) 19.16.30 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 19.16.43 # or perhaps on any or everyone of the screens as I switch to diff menus... 19.16.58 # to constantly show the time 19.17.12 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.17.14 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-224-90.dsl.scarlet.be) 19.17.19 # rockboxrox: do you have the statusbar enabled? it should show the time 19.17.34 # no I dont.. 19.17.39 # but thats a good idea 19.18.46 # your wps amy still disable it in the wps screen, so you will have to either use one that doesn't or edit it (or add a tag displaying the time somwhere in the wps 19.19.29 # I did not know about the status bar.... so many options.. its endless (almost) and I thought I had seen all the options in there.... lolz ... I guess not.... >.< 19.19.52 # thanks man.... 19.21.09 Quit rockboxrox ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.21.29 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB20B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.22.33 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.23.23 # I was about to upgrade to 3.0 now, but I read that it's problem with CF-modded iPod Mini. I have the modded bootloader with r18339. 19.24.00 # Zambezi: which os are you on? 19.25.06 # n1s: Debian on computer. Original (latest firmware) on iPod Mini with Rockbox r18339 dualboot. 19.26.20 # Zambezi: then you can use a new ipodpatcher with new bootloaders from here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 (the bottom of the comments) to install a bootloader that includes the CF fix (these will be released officially soon) 19.26.53 # or you can continue using the one you have and just install the new rockbox version 19.29.58 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 19.30.01 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 19.31.12 Join JohnW615 [0] (n=john@c-98-240-93-102.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 19.31.17 # hi 19.31.58 # n1s: Can you send the link again? Cause a script covers a part of the link. 19.32.03 Quit pierre- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.32.12 # Zambezi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 19.32.34 # near the bottom of that page are new ipodpatchers 19.32.59 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 19.33.02 # * amiconn points Zambezi to the fine IRC logs 19.34.37 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@p5B1634CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.37.05 # msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER JohnW615 scwdrqfczsiq 19.37.24 # JohnW615: you might want to change that password now :) 19.37.27 # :) 19.37.29 # yeah 19.37.31 # lol 19.37.34 # JohnW615: Change asap! 19.37.48 # And use a / for commands in IRC. :) 19.37.56 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 19.39.16 # :) 19.39.34 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21B43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.43.13 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dd6c302e22d03c28) 19.44.22 # n1s: The iPod-patcher won't start so I think I have to change the bootloader another time.ö 19.44.55 # Zambezi: you probably need to do chmod +x on it 19.45.26 # and you need to run it as root (or with sudo) for it to be able to access the ipod disk directly 19.47.34 # I'd like to have Wiki write access so I can upload an FM preset for my area 19.48.59 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 19.49.01 # What's your name on the wiki? 19.49.29 # JohnWallace 19.49.37 # One moment and I'll add you. 19.49.43 # n1s: Won't start now, but I upgrade Rockbox. 19.49.55 # ty 19.50.04 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.50.23 # Zambezi: can you please be a littel bit more specific, and did you download the correct one? 19.50.27 # Done. Promise not to spam, now. :) 19.51.18 # nospam - promise 19.51.25 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.51.34 # n1s: The ipodpatcher says it can't start, but the utility works. 19.51.49 # still waiting on my Sansa e280 to come in - so when it does I'll do the preset 19.52.00 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.52.02 # thanks for the access 19.52.09 # Zambezi: _what_ does it say and are you sure you downloaded the correct version? 19.52.11 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.52.49 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 19.53.20 # n1s: Forth from the bottom: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 19.54.10 Quit JohnW615 ("looking forward to running rockbox 3...") 19.54.10 # Zambezi: ok, that is for 32 bit linux which i assume is correct, what does it say _exactly_ when it doesn't start? 19.54.36 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47ECB.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.54.56 # n1s: Usually nothing, then "Couldn't display" and then path to the file. 19.55.34 # Zambezi: I don't know what exactly you're doing, but it's not anywhere near what you should be doing then 19.55.51 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 19.56.25 # gevaerts: I doubleclicked on the file. It worked that way with the Rockbox utility. 19.56.35 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.39 # is anyone interested in the reordering of the Settings menu? take a look at FS#9472 ;) 19.56.43 # Zambezi: ipodpatcher is a command line utility 19.57.01 # Zambezi: did you try "chmod +x" on the ipodpatcher file? 19.58.04 # gevaerts: Shoot. It was six weeks I used it so I apprarently forgot about it. 19.59.55 # * bluebrother wonders why there are binaries of ipodpatcher attached -- you can install any bootloader when using the correct command line options 20.00.34 # bluebrother: yes but we want to release new ipodpatchers 20.01.11 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 20.01.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.108) 20.01.27 # And I'm distracted now which makes it hard to follow both things so the telly goes off now. 20.02.30 # wpyh: I would add a promise to update the manual if people like the idea if I were you, or (even better) a patch to the manual as well 20.03.07 # gevaerts: good idea :) 20.03.30 # is there any other place besides the manual where menus are mentioned? 20.04.25 # don't think so 20.04.29 # ok 20.04.42 # btw i like you patch :) 20.04.54 # n1s: great :D 20.05.35 Quit Lambdumb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.06.01 Join funman_ [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-94-27.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.07.38 # I think I like it too, but I haven't thought very hard about it yet 20.10.27 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.10.35 # :D 20.11.02 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.11.32 # n1s, gevaerts: One of the problems was I tried installing from a screen, but when I install from a "fresh" terminal, it worked. New bootloader now and latest stable Rockbox. 20.11.53 Join tarbo_ [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 20.11.58 # Zambezi: ah, ok, good to hear that it worked 20.13.25 # And now I've opened FS#9473 to reorganize the Playback Settings menu 20.13.26 # * LambdaCalculus37 still needs Intel Mac users to test the ipodpatcher binary for OS X 20.13.47 Join pierre- [0] (n=pierre@93-81-41-222.broadband.corbina.ru) 20.14.01 # It should be universal, but better safe than sorry. :) 20.14.15 # it would be nice if someone with windows would try the winversion of ipodpatcher too 20.14.40 # n1s: I ran it, but since I have no admin rights on my work PC, I can't do anything with it. 20.14.48 # And gevaerts already tested it in Wine. 20.14.48 # n1s: someone tried it 20.15.07 # * LambdaCalculus37 spots the comment in Flyspray 20.15.23 # gevaerts: ah, didn't see that :) 20.16.44 # Does anyone think removing the Repeat:Shuffle option is a good idea? (I think someone said so a few days ago) Please review FS#9456 for the patch 20.19.55 # Why Euroconverter and Calendar plugins work on one player only? (Euroconverter - Archos Player, Calendar - Archos Recorder) 20.20.50 Quit funman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.51 # J-23: No one's bothered updating them for other players. 20.21.39 # I've been wondering about the quickscreen. Do we really want "Show files" there? 20.22.22 # gevaerts: It is convenient to have "Show files" on the quickscreen. 20.22.26 # gevaerts: no, but what should we display there instead? 20.22.31 Join bughunter2 [0] (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) 20.22.37 Quit tarbo (Connection timed out) 20.22.38 # LambdaCalculus37: it also causes lots of support questions 20.23.15 # * wpyh needs to learn how the manualis organized 20.24.16 Join tkooda [0] (n=tkooda@216.70.31.95) 20.24.23 # I'm pretty sure that most of the "I can't see my music" people inadvertently changed that setting via the quickscreen 20.25.29 # gevaerts: is there a specific need to have "Show Files:Playlist"? can we remove it instead? 20.25.43 # wpyh: I can see the use of that, yes 20.25.52 # hm... 20.25.57 # * wpyh is wondering how one would use that 20.26.19 # if one needs to see only playlists, he/she can always use a directory to store them 20.27.16 # Depends on how they are organised. 20.27.25 # if I'm going to upload my custom WPS that depends on .rockbox/icons/tango.20x16x16.bmp, .rockbox/icons/tango_viewers.20x16x16.bmp, and .rockbox/fonts/32-Terminus-Bold.fnt (provided by rockbox or some other theme? -but are CC-SA-3.0 liscensed) should I include them in my .zip? 20.28.52 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 20.29.06 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 20.31.15 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 20.35.38 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-68-173-234-148.nyc.res.rr.com) 20.36.17 Nick funman_ is now known as funman (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-94-27.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.36.53 # n1s: I think if FS#9472 is accepted, then FS#9154 should be closed. 20.37.08 Join tarbo [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 20.37.38 # wpyh: yes, that is what i meant by adding it as depending on your patch 20.37.44 # ah, ok 20.38.09 # but i think we should wait at least a day for people to be able to comment on the change before committing 20.38.22 # yeah 20.38.28 # (Llorean comes to mind) 20.43.44 # And many others 20.44.11 # Menu organisation is always contentious (hence it doesn't happen often) 20.44.47 # tkooda: I think you should include everything that isn't included as part of a standard Rockbox install (that includes the official set of fonts). 20.46.27 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 20.47.10 # k, thanks. 20.48.00 # can someone please gant me Wiki write permission so I may upload my "DarkInfo-GB-20081010.zip" (with screenshot for menu, and wps screen) 20.48.07 # "ThorKooda" user 20.48.17 Quit tarbo_ (Connection timed out) 20.48.42 # tkooda: You need to use your real name 20.48.54 # Unless that is 20.49.01 # In which case sorry, and that's cool 20.49.12 Quit F28 (Connection timed out) 20.49.44 # Thor Kooda is my real name. devsec.org is a site with code I've written (for proof?) 20.50.02 # tkooda: No, that's fine. Apologies :) 20.50.05 # np 20.50.07 # Promise not to spam now? 20.50.15 # * tkooda promises 20.50.22 # single edit (upload) 20.50.46 # OK, done. Have fun! 20.50.49 # thanks 20.54.20 Nick BigBambi is now known as BigThor (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.54.35 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@12-203-112-233.client.mchsi.com) 20.54.47 Nick BigThor is now known as BigBambi (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 20.56.35 Nick gevaerts is now known as CamelCase (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.56.45 Nick CamelCase is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.57.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.57.27 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 20.58.29 # when "Attach[ing] new file[s]".. do I check the "Link: Create a link to the attached file at the end of the topic." checkbox? 20.58.57 # for the WpsGallery?...no 20.59.01 # yes 20.59.09 # oh, that was an answer. k 21.01.48 Join Zauberhannes [0] (n=Ducki@p54B8CD6A.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.01.55 # eh? 21.03.18 Part Zauberhannes ("Verlassend") 21.04.07 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 21.04.16 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 21.04.28 # scorche: do you know off the top of your head how such a link name is composed then? I would let it create the link but make sure to have the "hide " box checked. And then move it or edit it as a like 21.04.34 Join epilnivek [0] (n=epilnive@adsl-074-170-079-093.sip.mem.bellsouth.net) 21.05.23 # I just see the as3525 has a sd interface 21.05.30 # funman: ^ 21.05.45 # yes of course: the arm pl180 21.06.00 Quit epilnivek () 21.06.09 # so the sandisk didn't add his own sd interface? 21.06.59 Join n17ikh|Lappy [0] (n=n17ikh@130-127-73-84.lightsey.resnet.clemson.edu) 21.07.30 # funman: if yes, that'd mean we access the nand flash equally on all targets 21.07.40 # sansav2 targets, that is 21.08.11 Quit J-23 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.08.12 # kugel: well I think they did, because the AS3525 NAND interface is not used 21.09.03 # I meant that sandisk uses the sd interface of the as3525 21.09.29 # on devices with SD plug, very probably 21.10.05 # I don't know how this is implemented in hardware, they could have put some interface chip between the NAND controller and the SD (arm pl180) controller 21.11.44 # I doubt sandisk added one if the package already features it 21.12.18 # They'd rather implement the flash as an on-board-sd-card, wouldn't they? 21.13.23 # how can they do that without adding newer hardware ? 21.13.40 Join jose_cuervo [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-075-176-144-005.sc.res.rr.com) 21.14.09 Nick jose_cuervo is now known as syn4pse (n=chatzill@cpe-075-176-144-005.sc.res.rr.com) 21.14.31 # the as3525 has an sd interface... 21.14.43 # why adding another one? 21.15.17 # ask them 21.15.45 # what I see in the OF is that they use the NAND base address like if it's a ARM pl180 controller 21.16.10 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.16.11 # but in the AS3525 datasheet this base address is used with the AS3525 NAND controller 21.16.27 # so, same thing, just different name? 21.16.33 # no 21.18.06 # I think we are just confusing each other ;) 21.20.01 # how does a patch become implemented into the codebase? 21.21.14 # is this edit I just made acceptable?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#DarkInfo 21.21.35 # (regardless of weither or not you like my art. ;P ) 21.21.43 # here is my patch, btw #8647 21.25.11 # syn4pse: I guess you have to harass committers until they get interest in your patch 21.26.07 # a good time would be in the morning in europe? 21.26.20 # Right now is usually a good time 21.26.28 # syn4pse: who likes being harrassed in the morning? ;) 21.26.34 # i sure don't 21.26.38 # :D 21.27.16 # syn4pse: European evening is best 21.27.19 # and people usually work during the day so afternoon/evening is usually better, that said we have devs spread over the globe :) 21.27.24 # but if the only way to stop people from harassing you in the morning is looking at their patch, maybe it's worth ;) 21.27.35 # syn4pse: I'm looking at the patch now. 21.27.48 # thanks 21.28.35 # * gevaerts also looks at docs/CONTRIBUTING to compare :) 21.28.58 # yeah i figured i missed the documentation 21.29.53 # I see three (possible) issues with it right now 21.30.33 # (1) typedef struct... is against the rockbox coding style 21.31.23 # (2) you should at least provide some text to put in the manual, or (if you know LaTeX) a full manual patch 21.32.31 # ok 21.32.33 # (3) It uses PLA. Someone else has to look at how it uses it to see if this will be a problem or not though. 21.32.58 # i'm not sure what PLA is 21.33.05 # plugin library actions 21.33.26 # oh okay, i was trying to be forward, i don't know the preferences 21.33.50 # Depending on the controls, they can cause issues 21.33.55 # I don't know if CONTRIBUTING says anything about the style of function definitions but void\n foo\n (int bar)\n is definitely not common 21.34.19 # * gevaerts missed that :) 21.34.20 # ok that can be changed as well 21.34.21 # also c++ style comments 21.34.33 # yeah those have to go. you mean the //? 21.34.38 # yeah 21.34.40 # syn4pse: Comments have to be in the /* */ style. 21.34.53 # no problem, i can clean it up. 21.34.56 # syn4pse: See the discussion/explanation from http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081009#10:36:40 21.35.46 # i'll just define the buttons for each player separately, paralleling how someone else did similar things 21.36.08 # Also make sure to sync it against a recent SVN as well. 21.36.39 # oh and put { on an new line at the beginning of functions, I know _that_ is in the guidelines 21.36.48 # ok 21.37.08 # i want it to look clean 21.37.10 # * gevaerts thinks that someone should put all our comments on the tracker 21.37.20 # fine by me 21.37.40 Join funman_ [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-98-18.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.37.46 # That way they don't get lost if you don't manage to do everything during the next hour :) 21.38.09 # hahah, i have a little typing to do 21.38.17 # Or just link to the IRC logs... 21.39.27 # heh, weird style - plain BUTTON_* definitions for the Ipod pads and the rest pluginlib actions? 21.39.49 # :) 21.39.58 # yeah i'm new to this 21.40.39 # that button section has been bugging me, since i don't own all the players, i'm not sure what buttons to assign 21.40.43 # i only have an ipod 21.41.08 # linuxstb: i i want to convert a screen to viewports, should it just declare it's own viewport call viewport_set_defaults and go on about it's buisness? also do i still need to call gui_synstatusbar_draw? 21.41.15 # s/i/if/ 21.41.52 # s/it's/its/g 21.42.32 Quit pierre- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.42.50 # syn4pse: you can try the simulators 21.42.54 # n1s: depends if you want the screen to be able to have variable parents 21.43.38 Quit funman (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.43.48 # kugel: as in drawing it as part of a different screen? that is not necessary, it's the playlist search results list i'm thinking about 21.43.55 # in my pitchscreen work I declared a own viewport for that, calling viewport_set_defaults after 21.44.26 # yes, i saw that, is this the usual way of using viewports? 21.44.51 # n1s: As of now it's surely not necessary, but if custom list is ever going to be committed, all those screens converted to viewports will probably take the list viewport as a parent 21.45.09 # n1s: I'm not really sure if there's a preferred way to use viewports yet, I don't think it's been completely thought through. 21.45.15 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 21.46.01 # n1s: Is it a normal list? Those use viewports already 21.46.09 # linuxstb: so should I convert it a t all? I was going to change a couple of other things in there anyway but the change to that screen will be very minor 21.46.49 # funman_: ping 21.46.55 # pong 21.47.04 # funman_: does this one work now? http://pastebin.ca/1224841 21.47.08 # kugel: yes, but you need to pass a viewport to init the list and that function's comment states that you shouldn't use the default viewport for new screens so i guessed it was preferred to not use it 21.47.32 # linuxstb: did you look at the flyspray entry for the Clip ? 21.48.46 Quit syn4pse ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 21.49.24 # kugel: yes it works .. like the previous one should have worked. 21.49.35 # the issue is that pastebin adds crlf terminators, and git don't like them 21.50.52 # kugel: pushed: http://gitorious.org/projects/rockbox_sansa_v2/repos/mainline/commits/3164843b0a59ad70bd41f2aa26ec14bf48e16bf3 21.51.02 # n1s: if you pass NULL, the init function will use a created viewport 21.51.29 # see apps/gui/list.c line 147 21.52.27 Part tkooda ("thanks!") 21.53.41 # kugel: yes i know, that wasn't my question, i wondered if i should change that screen to not do this since the comment on line 125 in the same file says to "NOT" pass NULL for new screens so I thought it was preferred to not do that. 21.55.44 # n1s: ah I see. But that shouldn't matter, since both are lists. I assume that comments is meant for non-lists (which will then use the list viewport if passed NULL) 21.56.47 Quit fyrestorm ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 21.57.10 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 21.57.22 Join syn4pse [0] (n=syn4pse@cpe-075-176-144-005.sc.res.rr.com) 21.57.30 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-68-173-234-148.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.58.33 # n1s: Ideally every screen should have a parent passed to it. But until there's some kind of possibility to make the parents costumizable, it's more or less overkill. JdGorden wanted me to not use a parent parameter for the pitchscreen, so I guess you shouldn't do that either 21.59.01 Quit syn4pse (Client Quit) 21.59.09 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.00.58 # funman_: so, now to the bootloader :) 22.01.57 Quit fyrestorm (Client Quit) 22.01.58 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@78.145.207.153) 22.02.51 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-68-173-234-148.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.02.51 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@12.169.180.178) 22.06.04 Quit herrwaldo (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.50 Quit blahrus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.09.46 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-234-030.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.14.14 # funman_: I guess I need to fix some reds before :) 22.15.00 # where ? 22.24.40 Join funman [0] (n=fun@AAnnecy-257-1-48-62.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.26.04 Quit jeffdameth1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.27.17 Nick reacocard_ is now known as reacocard (n=reacocar@WL-358.CINE.HMC.Edu) 22.33.38 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.33.45 Join tamahome02000 [0] (n=80061f8b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-15b12963570bb32e) 22.34.30 # anyone there? 22.34.58 # tamahome02000: approximately 150 nicks - what was your question ? 22.34.59 Quit tamahome02000 (Client Quit) 22.36.30 # 28 seconds... is that a new record? 22.36.39 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@m940736d0.tmodns.net) 22.37.57 # * LambdaCalculus37 would like to commit FS#6800, any objections? 22.43.41 # * bertrik builds to test it 22.43.59 # I believe amiconn had some and I personally could live very well without it (but that applies to other things as well probably) 22.44.12 Quit funman_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.40 # amiconn: What were your objections to FS#6800? 22.46.50 # when switching from backlight timer from off to on, the backlight comes on but there's nothing on the screen on my c200 22.48.42 # now I managed to make it fade out in a continuous loop: max, fade down to black, max, fade down to black, etc. 22.49.32 # bertrik: Since it's kugel's patch (and it works on my Gigabeast and my c200), let him know about any bugs. 22.49.53 # yes, I'll add them to the ask 22.50.01 # Okay. 22.50.01 # *task 22.50.48 # bertrik: What problems specifically do you have? 22.52.45 # the display goes blank with the backlight on and a flashing backlight, I 22.52.53 # 'll put the details in the FS task 22.52.57 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.57.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.58.27 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 22.58.54 Join maqr [0] (n=maqr@httpcraft/hax) 23.00.55 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47ECB.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.01.30 Quit meven (Remote closed the connection) 23.06.47 # bertrik: I'll check the task later as well. 23.07.01 # Gotta go for now. 23.07.02 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Ka-chunka") 23.07.52 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 23.08.32 # wow! such a big speedup from such a simple optimization :) 23.08.59 # hmm? 23.09.47 # in one of my testcases searching for a string that gave 30 hits in a ~3000 track playlist became 10x faster :) 23.10.35 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.10.44 # by avoiding 2970 useless splashes 23.10.50 # hehe 23.11.43 # it is probably an even larger gain on targets with slow lcd updates 23.16.47 Quit ompaul (Nick collision from services.) 23.17.11 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@195.167.65.111) 23.17.15 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 23.18.17 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 23.24.11 # bertrik: I didn't test that patch, but does it allow setting the fade in/out times? I mean as actual times which are independent from the chosen brightness, like it's done on other targets where we do fading 23.24.20 # s/times/durations 23.25.05 # On a related matter, I'd rather want to get rid of the dreaded hardware fade-in on the beast than introduce extra fading... 23.25.13 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("Leaving") 23.25.32 # amiconn: you want to make it configurable? 23.25.51 # kugel: It is configurable on H1x0, ipod Video/Nano... 23.25.52 # amiconn, I don't know if fade time can be configured, AFAIK it just decrements background level by 1 every X ticks until the level is 0 23.26.17 # So it's brightness dependent how long the fade takes? 23.26.20 # It's not configurable and I don't really see a need to have it like that 23.26.32 # yes 23.26.55 # but it fades nicely with even a very low setting (e.g. 3 out of 12 levels on my e200) 23.27.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 23.27.13 # kugel: A fade in (if at all) should be short for my taste. Everything longer than 200..300ms makes it feel sluggish to me. That's why I hate the hardware fade-in on the beast - it takes too long 23.27.40 # A fade-out, otoh, can be longer - several seconds if someone wants that. 23.27.55 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 23.28.20 # amiconn: Then give the patch a try. It waits HZ/(MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING * 2) between every increment 23.28.35 Quit DerDome ("Leaving.") 23.29.24 # the fade in time feels shorter than the fade out time 23.30.49 # H1x0, iPod Video and Nao allow selecting fade-in times of 0 (instant-on); 100, 200, 300, 500 ms; 1s and 2s. Selectable fade-out times are 0 (instant-off); 100, 200, 300, 500ms; 1, 2, 3, 5 and 10s 23.30.59 # I think the current setting of the patch looks fine 23.31.18 # If you edit the config file manually, you can also set arbitrary intermediate values 23.32.06 # *if* I use fading (which rarely happens) I set fade-in to 200ms and fade-out to 2 or 3s 23.32.50 # the Clip answers to my CMD_APP (55) command with "command response received, crc check failed" 23.33.00 # imho it doesn't need to be configurable (on neither target) 23.33.26 # it does that 2 times, and then answers each new command with "command response timeout" 23.33.36 Quit Schmogel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.33.37 # And I highly doubt a fade-out time of 2 seconds would look even nearly smooth when brightness is set to 5 (which means there are only 4 intermediate steps) 23.33.56 # amiconn: try it please before making more assumptions 23.34.05 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.14 # it's quite short at such a low setting, but still smooth 23.34.35 Quit bughunter2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.35.38 # is there any show where i can buy a new player with color screen, which supports rockbox? 23.35.45 # europe would be fine 23.36.12 # funman, I only worked with SPI mode to talk to sd cards (for another project) where only a few commands actually need a crc 23.36.52 # bertrik: sadly I can't repro you second issue (sad as in I can't change it back to on anymore due to off screen ;) ) 23.37.01 # bertrik: I don't calculate CRC, I understand that pl180 does that itself 23.37.01 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.37.57 # dereine: all the players rockbox supports are out of production unfortunately so you'll have a hard time finding them in shops, used seems to be the way to go 23.42.41 Join Kalem [0] (n=Kalem@88.242.10.246) 23.43.36 # kugel: as I understand it, your way of doing the fade is different than on other targets that already have backlight fading. And I could understand if someone is against different ways of doing the same thing, maybe that's the real problem/misunderstanding here... 23.45.31 Quit Tetracomm ("For free and legal cellphone downloads, visit: http://www.kompulsa.com") 23.46.08 # pixelma: sure. I ,for one, didn't know that it's configurable on targets that already have that. Also, this software fade is somewhat limited, since it depends on the backlight levels for the targets (which can be rather low, e.g. 12 on a e200). And lastly, I'm not the author (rather maintainer) of the patch, and the original author didn't seem to intend to make it configurable. 23.46.15 Quit obo ("bye") 23.46.24 Part Kalem 23.46.50 # Of course, having targets a,b and c with configurable backlight fading but targets d,e and f not, is kinda incosistent and should be avoided 23.48.57 # But I'd rather remove the configurability for the other targets. Backlight is a nice-to-have, but not so critical to give users options (which will only increase bin size more= 23.52.56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.53.10 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.53.52 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 23.55.26 Join maddler [0] (i=maddler@static-217-133-171-24.clienti.tiscali.it) 23.55.31 # bertrik: git repository for sansav2 is git://gitorious.org/rockbox_sansa_v2/mainline.git 23.55.52 Quit maddler (Client Quit) 23.56.35 # thanks 23.57.05 # you can send a PM to daniel_at on the forum to ask for write access 23.57.43 # I should probably not be trusted with write access until I'm slightly more familiar with git itself 23.57.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECEC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.58.44 # are you unfamiliar like all people who have written something in this repository except me ? :P