--- Log for 11.11.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 8 hours ago 00.03.13 # amiconn: OK, if that's the case for the as3514, then we should remove that #if in as3514.h. But I guess what I don't like about as3514.h is that it contains a mixture of both private definitions (like the I2C address - which IMO should just be declared somewhere more private), and the public interface for the audio codec part of it. Although the wm*.h files do the same thing... 00.04.09 # It also doesn't feel right to define ADC_* there. 00.04.45 # I just got a very strange Windows error with my gigabeast 00.05.43 # I inserted the USB cable, Rockbox still navigates (it shows that it charges) and windows pop up an error window saying: "There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive /Device/Harddisk4/DR18" 00.06.16 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCF496.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.10.22 # XavierGr: can you try going to the debug menu and choose "reconnect usb storage" ? 00.11.01 # XavierGr: I would imagine the more the better 00.11.11 # gevaerts: ah sorry, I rebooted and now it works as it should 00.11.23 # XavierGr: is that the stock battery? 00.11.28 # JdGordon: No 00.11.31 # gevaerts: I will have this in mind if I can reproduce it 00.11.37 # ok 00.11.37 # JdGordon: Stock is 700 mAh 00.12.23 # I tried to shove an ipod 4g 1200mAh battery in the beast (like in the gigabeat F), but the S is too tight for that battery 00.13.07 # I just went for the biggest one I could find that said gigabeat S, which was the 1000 00.14.45 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.15.59 # XavierGr: might as well add it to the pool. does anyone have the stock batt but /me? :) 00.16.20 # * JdGordon does 00.16.29 # * amiconn too 00.16.36 # i did a bench a while ago, and gonna do a new one today 00.16.41 # I've now found my stock battery, I'll do one with that tomorrow when this one has finished and I have swapped them 00.16.42 # I think my beast is fucked though 00.16.52 # Does anyone have any idea about the status of the Philips SA9200 port, and why it isn't in the build table? 00.17.05 # On the other hand, if JdGordon is going to do one with the standard, I won't bother :) 00.17.19 Quit tyfoo2 ("Carpe diem") 00.17.20 # linuxstb: isnt that one of the ports you started? 00.17.23 # On the other hand, if JdGordon's beast is fooked, I will do one! 00.17.25 # JdGordon: Not sure how you'd get it beyond useable. 00.17.44 # JdGordon: No ;) I can at least remember the status of my ports... 00.17.49 # * BigBambi has run out of hands 00.17.51 # unless the hardware went 00.17.59 # I changed mine because I had serious issues with the original. It wouldn't last more than 5 hours 00.18.18 # XavierGr: That is normal 00.18.28 # jhMikeS: I dont know... it seems to die after 2 hours or so with the disk not spining up 00.18.29 # * jhMikeS 's always ran a long time 00.18.33 # * amiconn doubts that his beast would even last 4 hours with its stock battery 00.18.40 # BigBambi: oh I thought It should last around 10 hours 00.18.43 # Mine does about 5 hrs on stock 00.18.51 # XavierGr: Those claims were arse 00.19.04 # * JdGordon got about 6 last bench though 00.19.06 # toffee82 must have given me a more beasty than beasty beast 00.19.18 # XavierGr: Have a look at some reviews - the vast majority I have found say very nice, but battery life is crap and nothing like claimed 00.19.34 # and worse withh rockbox 00.19.47 # jhMikeS: If we had proper scaling, rewriting some asm blobs for armv6 would be interesting 00.19.47 # The OF keeps the disk spun up in menus ffs 00.19.53 # linuxstb: The SA9200 port was started by lowlight, and from the last mention he made, he just needed to get the touchpad working; audio, LCD and buttons are all working. 00.20.15 # (e.g. mpegplayer's idct) 00.20.17 # JdGordon: worse, really? 00.20.21 # amiconn: yeah, that voltage scaling probably helps alot. 00.20.27 # isnt that usuallly how it works? 00.20.46 # the ARM DSP instructions are supposed to decode mp3 at 10mHz. 00.21.01 Join synergist [0] (i=christop@cant.be-arsed.co.uk) 00.21.12 # jhMikeS: That'd be neon, not armv6 dsp 00.21.33 # The arm1136 doesn't have neon 00.22.05 # The SIMD != neon? 00.22.23 # should I charge it with rockbox or OF? 00.22.30 # or it shouldn't matter? 00.22.32 # Neon is similar to VFP, but for integer. ARMv6 dsp only uses the arm registers 00.23.11 # amiconn: so neon is really its version of emac 00.23.12 # But it's still quite useful - compare the (effective) clock needed to filter ape -c5000: 00.23.27 # you did a conversion for APE? 00.23.29 # JdGordon: How far did you come with booting into rockbox? and how did you get the offset value? I'm having problems with my fuze 00.23.55 # i got as far as "file not found", that number was taken from the forum thread 00.24.14 # im going to play this arvo maybe... 1 more exam to go 00.24.20 # Xavier: I doubt it's too important at this point. OF seems to kick a few more mV into it though but then being conservate helps battery lifetime. 00.24.25 # Oh, seems I didn't read carefully enough, I thought you found it out 00.24.29 # ARM7TDM: ~2000MHz (v4), ARM920T (v4) 1720MHz, ARMv6: 476MHz 00.24.42 # the number seems to fit for the fuze too, but I can't boot a build because of checksum errors 00.24.56 # then the number is probably wrong 00.25.02 # Thanks to smlad(x) & friends... 00.25.07 # we need a proper method of getting it 00.25.12 # amiconn: that's why you used the ffs function for division? 00.25.14 # i.e reading it from the of section probably 00.25.32 # or just for arm4 only? 00.25.33 # jhMikeS: Hmm? That's something completely different 00.25.33 # BigBambi: heh the GigaeatRuntime page has a bench of mine with 6 hours. So it seems that my battery wasn't bad after all. 00.25.46 # XavierGr: hehe, good stuff :) 00.25.52 Join SomeIdiot [0] (n=farf@unaffiliated/someidiot) 00.25.56 # amiconn: ah, ok. 00.26.22 # I was talking about the ARMv6 simd stuff. The division optimisation is for ARMv4 only (but uses ideas from the ARMv5+ implementation in libgcc) 00.26.25 # XavierGr: I bought a 1000 mAh as it was an easy way to get an improvement in playing time without any coding :) 00.27.04 # BigBambi: indeed 00.27.18 # amiconn: I wasn't sure if a mod to division played a role in the numbers. that's quite an improvement in clock efficiency though. 00.27.33 # is a version of rockbox for the creative zen far off? 00.27.37 # hmm. I got 5h from r18574 00.27.51 # BigBambi: Where'd you get it? eBay or some site? 00.27.59 # The filters don't do any division. The division is needed for the entropy decoder (range decoder), and helps all comptression levels 00.28.04 # Llorean: ebay I think 00.28.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 heads to eBay to look for some Cameron Sino batteries for his beast 00.28.49 # BigBambi: But it was Cameron Sino, and labeled as for Gigabeast? 00.29.00 # Perhaps I should put the armv5+ division implementaion into rockbox as well, for 2 reasons? (1) It would make sure that we use the fast implementation, not the one used for OPTIMIZE_SIZE. (2) It would allow saving a single cycle... 00.29.21 # * amiconn needs to look for a mini g2 battery :/ 00.29.36 # you want mine? 00.29.43 # Currently I can't time ape -c5000 on the mini - it dies around 1/4 through the track... 00.29.45 # Llorean: It was sold as a replacement for the Gigabeat S, and the picture was of a Cameron Sino battery. I wasn't quite sure what would actually turn up, but what has arrrived seems legit, but it could of course be fake 00.29.49 # * JdGordon has a very dead mini2g 00.30.04 # JdGordon: What's wrong with the mini? 00.30.05 # amiconn: ARM5 code is in SVN now? 00.30.16 # * LambdaCalculus37 just got one fixed up and fully working 00.30.20 # jhMikeS: The armv5 code is in libgcc... 00.30.26 # LambdaCalculus37: broke at least one of the bits on the mainboard 00.30.44 # BigBambi: Well, the key factor for me is "Cameron Sino seems to make a GigabeatS battery" 00.30.53 # Since I like them, now I know to look for one by them. Thanks 00.30.55 # I am undecided whether it's worth putting it into rockbpx as well 00.30.56 # Llorean: Yes :) 00.31.21 # amiconn: something you patched to libgcc? 00.32.47 # ??? 00.32.59 # JdGordon: Was it a connector, or a chip? 00.33.10 # * amiconn is probably too tired to follow 00.33.54 Quit Rob2223 (Connection timed out) 00.34.00 # LambdaCalculus37: i tihnk one of the caps or something.. a chip... I also have broken the touchpad connector thing twice! :'( 00.34.02 # amiconn: ok, I'm confused. you mean just compiling C-code for ARM6 not any optimized assembly code. 00.34.12 # so i have a working lcd, battery and case 00.34.14 # Llorean: I bought 4 batteries from seller grade_a_battery. For: H300, 2 * 4g ipod, gigabeat s all camero sino 00.34.23 # sold off the microdrive already 00.36.18 # JdGordon: Can you take some pictures of the board and email them to me? Maybe it may not be so bad to fix. 00.36.23 # also a leather case if anyone wants 00.36.45 # jhMikeS: #if defined(CPU_ARM) && (ARM_ARCH == 4) / #define DIV(a, b) udiv32_arm(a, b) / #else / #define DIV(a, b) (a / b) / #endif 00.37.02 # LambdaCalculus37: yeah sure, pm me a email addy 00.37.16 # if it can be fixed it would be great, my soldering skills are crap 00.37.28 # amiconn: ah, I see. I thought you might have committed ARM6 SIMD optimization to SVN already as well. 00.37.32 # s/DIV/UDIV32/ 00.37.47 # I think the broken chip is a cap or voltage thingy so should be replaceable 00.38.04 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 00.38.05 # jhMikeS: Again, that's something completely different (filters, not the range decoder), and *is* in SVN 00.38.20 # For quite some more time than the armv4 division optimisation 00.38.48 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 00.39.29 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.40.06 # * jhMikeS has had gaps in his attentance of late 00.40.40 # But you hopefully don't have gaps in your source tree ;) 00.40.48 Part SomeIdiot 00.40.54 # no, no...they grew back in :) 00.41.26 # Zagor: did you follow the weird failed builds? They also happen on different servers now and n1s made the remark for the "5" rated one that it failed while trying to build rombox. Even though the others show different errors but it could be an explanation why OndioSP and Player builds fail - those two still have rombox. Could there be any relation to your changes to "make" lately? 00.41.31 # See apps/codecs/demac/libdemac/vector_math16_armv6.h for the simd stuff 00.42.49 # I won't say no, but since the builds have worked for days without these problems I'm not ready to blame the Makefiles quite yet 00.43.26 # Zagor: Perhaps rombox + make -j (on > 1 core)? 00.43.27 # Maybe someone should look at the -j settings on servers that fail and servers that don't 00.43.48 # is ondio sp the only rombox target left? 00.44.01 # Player and OndioSP 00.44.28 # the "...arm7.h" is a bit strange. It looks more like arm4 arch. to me :) 00.44.53 # acbuild should print the make command line used 00.45.40 # jhMikeS: _arm7 is correct though. It is armv4 of course (note the missing 'v'). Using that code on a v4 arm9 is slower than using C... 00.46.26 # ah, oops...missed the "v" there 00.47.09 # I know that arm versioning vs. arm architecture versioning is a mess... 00.50.55 # amiconn: you're right, there is a -j issue with rombox 00.52.12 # I didn't apply the fix "rambox" got 00.55.59 # rambox or is that "diskbox"? 00.56.00 # ok, beast bench started 00.56.35 # whoohoo 00.57.21 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.57.27 Quit ender` (" Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more") 00.58.40 # jhMikeS: Is there a specific place you would prefer for beast benches? (I'm off to bed now, I'm certain it will be finished before I wake up :P) 00.59.06 # jhMikeS: http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_430xN.31720030.jpg ? 01.00.35 # at least something those disks are still useful for ;) 01.01.36 # JdGordon: well, i do think that it is the correct number 01.01.44 # BigBambi: how about wiki attachments? I really don't have any other. 01.01.57 # OK, no probs 01.02.08 # Zagor: hahahaha...I guess that is it. 01.02.38 # JdGordon: it seems to be dependant on the firmware size (e200v2 and fuze have the same firmware size). Also, the filesize as well as the header of my rockbox binary is read correctly (e,g, it says "model fuze") 01.03.05 # it was also the only number which enabled me to go beyond disk_init failed 01.03.05 # BigBambi: you can upload your results in the wiki I think 01.03.31 # * jhMikeS gets a new logo idea :) 01.03.47 # XavierGr: Sure, I was just thinking that jhMikeS might have a different preferred area 01.04.36 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-167-161.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 01.04.46 # BigBambi: at least there, they are together. I have no public upload space. 01.04.56 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c264@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b443b0e947e6866c) 01.05.01 # Roger, will do 01.05.05 # any reason not to commit the ipod accessory patch? 01.06.30 # mine is charging so hopefully in an hour or two I will start a bench too. 01.08.28 # JdGordon: last but not least, I cannot load from my microsd either, which doesn't have OF offset at all, for the same reason 01.08.49 # is there a way to check the the rockbox binary on the pc side? 01.09.00 # i.e. the checksum 01.13.58 # that probably means the checksum isnt being written correctly 01.14.08 # saratoga: no, its going in soon... 01.18.09 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.23 Quit MethoS (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.18.26 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 01.22.26 # JdGordon: did you have a go at building a full rockbox for your e200v2? 01.22.44 # should be very possible without dozens of stubs with the recent commits 01.23.20 # not yet 01.32.14 # kugel: if you want to investigate... have a look at the builds header and see what the bootloader value gets for the checksum 01.35.20 # JdGordon: if you add a partition table, you have to shift everything by one sector, so the driver will have an offset anyway 01.36.21 # (unless you virtually overwrite the OF sector 0, but IMHO that's even worse 01.36.48 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 01.37.32 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.37.34 # not add a real one... just make the rockbox disk driver think there is one 01.37.58 # Well yes, but where will you put it? 01.38.09 # in ram 01.38.38 # I mean, will you mask sector 0? 01.38.49 # i mean... just setup "static struct partinfo part[8]; /* space for 4 partitions on 2 drives */" with the correct numbers 01.40.36 # hmm... dont even need to do that 01.40.37 # So you'll fill in the partition info bypassing MBR parsing? That could work 01.41.11 # fat_mount takes a start sector, thats enough to do whats needed 01.41.17 # I guess...? 01.41.54 # Except for USB. There you need to present something that any OS understands, so there will have to be some offsetting there 01.42.16 # We probably don't want to expose the firmware partition via USB though. 01.42.25 # probably not 01.42.40 # But I agree that the low-level driver needs to be as straightforward as possible 01.42.49 # So just superfloppy (i.e. no partition table) 01.43.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.43.24 # * gevaerts has been thinking of a storage filter layer that could do things like working with offsets or faking MBRs 01.44.57 # Of course you need to be careful when going down that road, as it also leads to loopback devices and RAID 01.44.58 # maybe the easiest way is to add a #define SUPERFLOPPY_OFFSET in the target config and use that if no partition table is found? 01.45.02 # defaulting to 0 of course? 01.45.44 # * JdGordon wishes we wern't dealing with magic numbers here thoughg 01.46.23 # I'd vote for something a bit more general, like a target-specific function 01.46.57 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 01.49.55 Quit lasser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.49.59 Part homielowe 01.53.15 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.03.25 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.09.12 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.14.03 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.15.05 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 02.16.01 # jhMikeS: i have a battery bench run for the orig battery... do we have a tool to process that to the curves? 02.17.20 # Unhelpful: no tool in particular. after several the results can be combined in the right way. 02.19.22 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d206-116-134-81.bchsia.telus.net) 02.21.13 # JdGordon: well, the bootloader printf's the checksum in the header and calculates another and compares them 02.21.28 # JdGordon: so I think it does automatically that what you suggested? 02.22.06 # tool == a calculator, ok. there's a different table for charge vs discharge, isn't there? do i just run battery_bench while charging for that, or is there something else to do? 02.22.14 # particulary load_firmware does that 02.22.22 # kugel: and you said ignoring the checksum caused a data abort? 02.23.35 # at least when I tried the last time, I compiled some newer builds in the mean time 02.23.55 # not data abort, but undefined instruction (look at my forum post) 02.25.06 # ok, rebuild a main binary but replace main() with a while loop which just flashes the backlight or something simple (wth as little init as possible) and see if that loads without the checksum 02.25.16 # could be reading the wrong sector... 02.26.46 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@118.227.0.172) 02.27.15 # will do later 02.33.12 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.33.13 Join hsitz [0] (n=4c68889d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-692661dac971ff1e) 02.34.27 # Any help out there for problem with Sansa e260? 02.35.14 # not if you dont ask a question 02.35.57 Part pixelma 02.36.11 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.36.24 # ok, thanks. Had initial install working fine. Just installed 8gb sdhc card and in building database I get error 02.36.45 # Error is 'undefined instruction'. Screen is stuck, machine is stuck. I can't even turn it off. 02.37.14 # kugel: Have you tested the RAM, as funman suggested? 02.37.30 # hsitz: Have you tried holding the Power button for up to 30 seconds? 02.37.56 # lambda: I've only tried up to 15 or 20. I'll try longer. . . 02.39.22 # lambda: That did it. I think I can get things going from here. Thanks! 02.41.11 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.2.7-dev") 02.41.22 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@c-24-12-190-140.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.45.20 Quit hsitz ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.48.10 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.51.57 # linuxstb: no, I haven't done anything the past few hours 02.52.17 # linuxstb: the of would lie though if it's not 8MB 02.53.10 # That's not the only issue though - even if it does have 8MB RAM, the init may not be correct. So it's useful to test. 02.53.42 # kugel: and I wouldnt put it past the of to lie about its ram size 02.54.02 # especially on a flash target, ram isnt *that* important 02.54.25 # where is the ram initialized? 02.55.06 # I think I modified app.lds accordingly (if that's the correct place) 02.55.11 # system-as3525.c 02.56.03 # ah 02.56.18 # I think i see something I forgot (in system-as3525.c) 02.56.27 # line 170 02.59.08 # one of those ancient assumtions by funman 02.59.10 Quit Makuseru (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.02.45 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.03.02 # kugel: What did you change in app.lds? 03.05.13 # memorysize with 8, since I got linker errors. but that's probably related then 03.06.03 # You should change the memory definition in tools/configure - everything else should follow from there (apart from system-as3525.c) 03.08.25 # i did that but that didn't seem to do it, so i explicitly changed app.lds (the linker error disappeared) 03.10.36 # * linuxstb tries 03.11.00 Quit Darksair ("Use the Force, Luke!") 03.12.05 # * linuxstb sees there are lots of other things to fix in the main fuze build... 03.14.14 Quit Kopfgeldjaeger ("Serverwechsel") 03.14.59 Quit Zarggg () 03.16.08 # kugel: Have you tried the "lcd_enable" function? 03.19.16 Quit Chronon ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 03.24.21 # no, not yet 03.28.14 Quit cg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.44 # linuxstb, JdGordon: that single line messed my whole day. the checksum is correct now 03.29.37 # loading from sd doesn't work quite well though 03.29.43 # microsd that is 03.32.49 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 03.34.08 # * kugel sees the bootlogo of the main binary for a split second 03.35.19 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Ka-chunka") 03.43.05 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 03.43.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.44.58 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.48.30 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 03.51.07 # arg, came back to my beast and it is off... except powering it back on the bootloader says the batt is at 3.672 and the main build rekons there is plenty of batt left 03.51.12 Quit Zarggg (Client Quit) 03.52.21 # did ~3h according to the batt bench .txt 03.53.47 Quit reacocard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.58.29 # not much :( 03.58.57 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@134.173.63.19) 03.59.39 # It was doing much better when you got it? 03.59.47 # I feel guilty if not. 04.00.05 # JdGordon: noticed? it was really that one line in system-as3525.c. I'm so angry... 04.00.40 # kugel: i have an exam in 30min.. i have more important things to be ignoring.... 04.01.04 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.01.06 # soap: yeah, was "fine" when i got it... i dunno what the problem is 04.01.30 # soap: also, you menitoned redoing the ipod accessory wiki page? should we wait for that before commiting? 04.02.55 # JdGordon: heh, ok, good luck then 04.03.06 # I don't see the point. Worst case situation I see is duplicate feedback from users. 04.03.19 # ok, cool 04.03.29 # linuxstb: yep, it's lcd_enable 04.04.11 # good night all 04.04.16 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008101315]") 04.06.00 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.21.31 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 04.27.49 Join _Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 04.31.39 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECC13.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.37.42 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.38.33 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.33 Quit Bagder_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.34 # How is one to contact wiki contributers if there is a question on the content they offer upon the wiki? Very few people outside the "regulars" leave an email address in public view, fill out IrcNicks, or mention their forum/IRC nick on their personal wiki page. Reading through the IRC logs on the last couple of them, they didn't even mention their "alter ego" nick in here. Must I go through the wiki admins (Sweden?) to find out contact info? 04.47.29 # 2: Can we declare it policy that a copyright notice and license notice MUST be inside all contributed themes/WPSs? This does not appear to be current policy (least I can not find the requirement posted anywhere), but if we are going to insist on code-like licensing rules for themes/WPSs should we not also require explicit notices in the code of the WPS/theme? 04.49.18 # Yes, if we're going to insist on licensing, the license used should be included in the file somewhere too. Preferably (in my opinion) as comments within the .wps, but I don't know if that's strictly necessary. It'd at least avoid clutter of additional files 04.49.21 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@g228005129.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.49.33 # This comes back to point / question #3. It's once again getting pretty bloody hard to figure out if people are carrying out the requirements of the CC-BY-SA license. This most recent set of uploads my Michael Ross (who is that? how can I contact him?) clearly is borrowing graphical elements from other themes. No mention of where those elements came from, much less attribution, is given anywhere. 04.49.49 # s/my/by/ 04.52.13 # I don't know if there's a good solution to this so long as we're using the wiki. 04.52.33 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 04.55.13 # Should this be discussed on the dev mailing list? Perhaps an agreed policy? Something broad enough in scope to cover future issues? I feel as if we're constantly playing catch-up on WPS poster behavior. That isn't the fault of the posters so much as it is my failure to come up with comprehensive and proactive guidelines. 04.55.56 # Well, I don't know how we can consistently enforce any sort of guidelines without a site designed to keep records. 04.56.19 # Make the email address available to a larger selection of us, when a theme is reported as problematic. 04.57.06 # IF we had a formal policy regarding the posting of creative works to the wiki (even if it were a policy I don't like ;) ) I would feel emboldened to simply waste-bin such themes. But as it stands now I'm not sure anything outside "spirit" was broken. 04.57.33 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.57.56 # Well, CC-BY-SA requires attribution 04.58.02 # If he's not attributing, it's license violation. 04.58.08 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.59.56 # we allow banned forum users to post to the wiki? 05.01.43 # Well, they aren't connected. 05.05.01 Quit smacnay ("Ex-Chat") 05.05.31 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.06.20 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@g228005129.adsl.alicedsl.de) 05.09.41 Join webguest23 [0] (n=4a4d2b16@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-16fd6e8eeae30735) 05.09.49 # hello 05.10.36 # is anyone here? 05.11.40 Quit webguest23 (Client Quit) 05.33.26 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 05.38.45 Quit esthar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.43.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.43.21 Join aarcane [0] (n=aarcane@c-67-187-242-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 05.50.14 Quit Horscht ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") 05.59.27 Join esthar [0] (n=esthar@student165-170.hampshire.edu) 06.02.25 Quit XavierGr () 06.02.41 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-72-229-212-17.nyc.res.rr.com) 06.03.44 Join Makuseru [0] (n=max@163.106.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 06.07.43 # 3 hr 30min beast nech... that really really sucks :'( 06.08.47 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.15.03 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 06.15.16 Join Photoguy [0] (n=Adams@91.143.237.183) 06.15.31 # Hi all. 06.15.51 Join gartral [0] (n=Gareth@75.33.66.60) 06.16.01 # good morning everyone 06.16.03 # Can someone see if they can answer this? 06.16.04 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19338.0 06.17.02 # is it the connector, or the cable? 06.17.14 # The connector.. 06.17.25 # Well, kind of both. 06.17.33 # if its the connector, your kinda stuck... id its your cable, buy a new one >.> 06.17.48 # beyond that, this is hardware, not software 06.17.58 # So, you don't think there is any way to boot form msd? 06.18.07 # *from 06.18.08 # Photoguy, i see you posted that on ABi too.. i think there is a way but i think you need to build your own build but i could be wrong 06.18.21 # im not a dev, but i remember something about them trying it 06.18.26 # Ok. 06.18.40 # Maybe I'll wait, and see if anyone asnwers my post. 06.19.13 # beyond that, your only option is to swap mem units with another sansa e2xx and install with that, then swap back 06.19.16 # Photoguy, o wait.. i misread it.. rockbox does have a file moving option 06.19.27 # The stupid thing is, I was copying somthing in rockbox, and mistakely deletd the folder (stupid!!) 06.19.51 # No the problem is, there is not rockbox currently on the player. 06.20.02 # right 06.20.19 # Then, I STUPIDLY shut down the player.. 06.20.26 # take your mem unit out of that box, put it in one that works, intall, and swap back... 06.20.54 # I could have just ccopied a new build onto it while it was still on. :P 06.21.10 # *turned on 06.21.29 # hmm.. that is another issue then 06.21.49 # How could I be so dumb? 06.22.20 # I guess I need to ask an exoert about booting from MSD 06.22.24 # *expert 06.22.40 # Not that you guys are dumd.. 06.22.42 # *dumb 06.22.54 # Boy, I can't spell. 06.23.20 # no, youve proven you can spell, what your haveing trouble with is typeing out what your spelling 06.23.34 # ^.^ 06.23.36 # Right. 06.23.37 # :) 06.24.00 # getting back OT i have found a DAP that has a similar name to our project... 06.24.08 # called roq box 06.24.20 # http://www.xtatix.com/shop/index.php?cPath=29_26&osCsid=e45812ce223527b6abb0056f52a5ef05 06.24.25 # "roq box" ? 06.24.27 # :) 06.24.57 # Wow, that's expsensive!' 06.25.35 # yep >.> ive noticed... but the point is, its not in our similar names section of the wiki, and ide like to put it there if i may 06.26.48 # Well, thanks for the inspiration.. 06.26.56 # To buy a new one :P 06.26.57 # Bye! 06.27.31 Quit Photoguy ("Leaving") 06.29.57 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 06.33.25 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.36.43 # so who else thinks this is a good candidate for the similar names project? 06.37.12 # the roq box, i mean 06.38.45 # gartral: lots of items are named "rockbox" or "rock box" 06.42.59 # If you think it belongs on the page, add it... 06.43.10 # yea, and isnt the point of that wiki page to help people keep track of what we are, and arnt talking about? 06.50.35 Join J-23 [0] (n=kvirc@a105.net128.okay.pl) 06.52.20 # hmm... my monoeared e200 has already been "fixed" once 06.52.41 # with a worse soldering job than i could do :p 06.57.25 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 06.57.31 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 07.06.44 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 07.11.38 Join massive_H [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 07.12.13 Quit massiveH (Nick collision from services.) 07.12.15 Nick massive_H is now known as massiveH (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 07.14.36 # i know this is ot, but why do some users put an _ at the end of there names? 07.15.00 Quit knnylftn (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.15.00 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.15.00 Quit Seed (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.15.00 Quit trisiak (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.15.00 Quit Unhelpful (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.16.32 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.16.32 NJoin trisiak [0] (n=tree@chello089078243195.chello.pl) 07.17.03 # gartral: if you know it is offtopic, then why say it? 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My iPod has entered disk mode, and I can't find any way to get it out. Is there any alternative to waiting for the batteries to die? 09.04.38 # It's a 1GB iPod nano 09.06.10 # reset it 09.06.17 # Hold Menu+Select together for about 10 seconds 09.06.22 Join tyfoo [0] (n=tyfoo@dyndsl-095-033-083-053.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 09.06.46 # Thanks, GodEater. 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Latest patch is in FS#9534. 10.33.20 # hello all. can I get write permission to the wiki here? (i'd like to upload a WPS mod) 10.34.48 Join l403 [0] (n=l@85.132.159.239) 10.38.35 Join lasser [0] (n=chatzill@Wa3a9.w.pppool.de) 10.39.20 Join Mastrojani [0] (n=4dfda952@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b59609ecf8142b6) 10.40.38 # um, anybody? 10.40.50 # jonaroit: sure, what is your wiki name? 10.41.44 # * pixelma guesses "JonathanRoitgrund" 10.41.56 Join YOJI [0] (n=4dfda952@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1bfebc36e06b1df5) 10.42.38 # yes, JonathanRoitgrund 10.42.47 # sry I was afk for a while 10.44.19 Quit Mastrojani ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.44.57 Quit YOJI (Client Quit) 10.46.08 # jonaroit: added 10.46.45 # thanks, great. just making sure, it is perfectly fine for me to submit a mod of an existing theme? (cabbiev2) that is, if I mention that it's based on it? 10.46.46 Join bodymind [0] (n=bodymind@193.136.218.60) 10.47.00 # sure 10.47.20 # great, thanks 10.47.26 Quit MU{lappy} (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.47.26 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.48.44 # so is there port for sony walkman nw-e010 series? :f 10.49.12 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.49.12 NJoin MU{lappy} [0] (n=Militant@pool-98-117-9-134.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 10.49.19 # kubzior: no, you'll be first! :-) 10.49.40 # Zagor: fine, but I'm not good programmer ;p 10.51.22 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 10.52.26 Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@141.71.76.64) 10.52.59 Quit DerDome (Client Quit) 10.53.41 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.58.34 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 11.01.08 Part kubzior 11.01.09 # anyone on sansav2? 11.01.53 Join Photoguy [0] (n=Adams@91.143.237.183) 11.02.49 # Hi. 11.03.32 Quit Darksair ("(define zero (lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)))") 11.04.53 Quit jonaroit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 11.06.08 # Anyone here that likes to help? 11.06.10 # ;0 11.06.15 # ;) 11.07.37 # Photoguy: simply ask the question. if someone can answer, someone will. 11.08.05 # Here's the problem... 11.08.06 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19338.0 11.08.39 # Do you think it's possible? 11.09.02 # Photoguy: no. your best bet is trying to clean/fix the connector. 11.09.24 # Not possible at all, to boot from MSD? 11.09.45 # no 11.09.51 # but you can copy files from the microsd 11.10.01 # (as I presume MSD means) 11.10.07 # can the OF do that? 11.10.16 # Right, but rockbox is not installed.. 11.10.17 # No. 11.10.23 # Not that I know of. 11.10.26 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 11.10.34 # and you can't use usb so you're toast 11.11.19 # Argh! 11.11.33 # I'm in Israel, so I can't get another one easily/ 11.11.34 # . 11.11.56 # This looks like a v1, what do you think? 11.11.58 # http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sansa-e250-2gb-mp3-player-fm-tuner-fm-on-the-fly-recording/q/loc/111/205562657.html 11.12.09 # aaaaaaaerrrrrrr.. farking sansa DB refresh 11.13.06 # Photoguy: how is the connector broken? visible destroyed, or simply not working? 11.13.07 # Photoguy: shalom... yeah probably a good bet thats a v1 11.13.39 # @ Zagor, a couple of pins are bent.. 11.13.59 # But it's still works sometimes. 11.14.16 # The other problem is, my dock is broken :P 11.14.37 # I know, it's a hopeless case. 11.15.01 # @jdGordon, good bet, huh? 11.15.11 # I don't want it if it's v22 11.15.14 # *v2 11.15.17 # woo!!!! ata error -1 booting a main build on a e200v2 11.15.37 # Photoguy: the v2's will have rockbox pretty soon (probably) but if its refurb its probaly a v1 11.15.59 # Ok, how soon? 11.16.07 # Months? 11.16.15 # I suppose I can wait.. 11.16.56 # could be months.. could be days.... 11.17.05 # we are activly working on it 11.17.33 # Ok. 11.17.39 # Thanks for what you do! 11.17.40 # :) 11.19.36 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.48 # JdGordon: how is it going? have you booted? 11.19.59 # got as far as ATA error 11.20.04 # Yeah! 11.20.08 # which means not very far :p 11.20.40 # i get: 11.20.42 # Loading firmware: 11.20.45 # file not found.. :s 11.21.25 # yes, because you dont have rockbox.sansa.... 11.21.28 # i suppose it's because i'm making a Bootloader and not a normal build 11.21.36 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.21.36 # ok.. how do i build it? 11.21.47 # i hit make 11.21.51 # you cant easily yet 11.22.19 # and i get lots of undeclared: CPUFREQ_DEFAULT, CPUFREQ_NORMAL..etc.. 11.22.37 # i have some C knowledge but not so low level... i would like to help... 8) 11.23.38 # there really is not much you can do that isnt being done already... 11.23.38 Join MrDuck [0] (n=kachna@r3g248.net.upc.cz) 11.23.41 # not yet anyway 11.25.16 # I came to the rockbox logo 11.25.18 # ok :) 11.25.19 # unless you want to build, test, comment out a line, build test, comment another line... rinse repeat 11.25.21 # but not to the main menu 11.26.03 # kugel: you definatyl got the main buil logo? 11.27.00 # kugel: can I see your diff? 11.27.12 # Sweet! 11.27.47 Join yoji [0] (n=4dfda952@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f010514538694548) 11.28.14 # "if( !send_cmd(drive, SD_APP_CMD, 0, MMC_RESP|MMC_ARG, &response) || !(response & (1<<5)) )" is failing for me 11.30.01 # Go, you can do it!! 11.30.15 # arg, wtf? the main build reflips and mirrors the display!? 11.31.27 # Yikes! 11.32.47 Quit yoji ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.33.26 # ok, I have the logo showing now 11.33.37 # kugel: thats as far as you got? just the main build logo? 11.35.19 Join yoji [0] (n=4dfda952@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0f566e74892aa4c0) 11.35.39 Quit yoji (Client Quit) 11.35.47 # @JdGordon, should I order a v1? or wait? 11.36.05 # JdGordon: yes 11.36.15 # get whatever there is 11.36.16 # Both? 11.36.49 # getting better.... white screen 11.36.55 # Yay! 11.37.09 #